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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,433 - [officer speaking] - [Chacey speaking] 2 00:00:06,867 --> 00:00:08,834 She was clearly hysterical. 3 00:00:08,867 --> 00:00:09,967 [Shane Meek speaking] 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,567 She was coming into her own 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,166 as this new young mom 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,533 who was very fit. 7 00:00:15,567 --> 00:00:19,800 She had a lot of men under her spell. 8 00:00:19,834 --> 00:00:21,767 [Mark McAdams] My first reaction was 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,333 she killed him. She killed him. 10 00:00:23,367 --> 00:00:24,867 [Calvin Grogan] There's no doubt 11 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:26,367 that he is infatuated with her. 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,867 [Michael Burk] She would sext him text messages 13 00:00:28,900 --> 00:00:29,834 and videos. 14 00:00:33,767 --> 00:00:35,867 [Claire St. Amant] At one point he even says 15 00:00:35,900 --> 00:00:38,934 "I'll rock an orange jumpsuit." 16 00:00:38,967 --> 00:00:41,333 [Grogan] He is thinking with one body part only. 17 00:00:52,934 --> 00:00:54,567 Royse City is a small town 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,333 about 30 miles east of Dallas. 19 00:00:57,367 --> 00:00:59,200 You go to the football game on Friday night 20 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:01,367 and you go to church on Sunday morning 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,367 and that's sort of the social life. 22 00:01:04,467 --> 00:01:05,700 [Stacy Kaiser] This is the kind of place 23 00:01:05,734 --> 00:01:08,433 where people marry young and start families. 24 00:01:08,467 --> 00:01:10,934 But those families don't always stay together. 25 00:01:10,967 --> 00:01:15,233 And sometimes, a new person comes into your life. 26 00:01:15,266 --> 00:01:17,567 A person who will do anything 27 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,500 to get what she wants. 28 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,634 [St. Amant] It's about 10:45 p.m. 29 00:01:24,667 --> 00:01:27,200 on September 9th, 2016 30 00:01:27,233 --> 00:01:29,767 and the Hunt County Sheriff's Department receives 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,266 a frantic 911 call 32 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:33,934 from a woman in distress. 33 00:01:33,967 --> 00:01:35,400 [phone ringing] 34 00:01:35,433 --> 00:01:37,066 [woman sobbing] 35 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,634 [911 operator speaking] 36 00:01:38,667 --> 00:01:41,934 The woman is obviously frantic. 37 00:01:41,967 --> 00:01:43,567 She's breathing heavily. 38 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:46,333 [operator speaking] 39 00:01:46,367 --> 00:01:48,767 [woman speaking] 40 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:51,567 [operator speaking] 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,900 Phone call did not last very long. 42 00:01:54,934 --> 00:01:56,200 Then disconnected. 43 00:01:56,767 --> 00:01:58,333 [operator speaking] 44 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:08,533 [Burk] Shortly after that, we got notified 45 00:02:08,567 --> 00:02:10,467 that somebody driving down the road 46 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:12,934 saw a female waving her arms around, 47 00:02:12,967 --> 00:02:14,867 screaming for help and they called 911 48 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:17,467 which alerted the Royse City officers to that location. 49 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:19,433 [police siren wailing] 50 00:02:19,467 --> 00:02:22,133 [Meek] 2595, which is a farm to market road. 51 00:02:22,166 --> 00:02:24,667 It's more like a tractor road. People don't even drive it. 52 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:26,000 It's meant for farming. 53 00:02:26,033 --> 00:02:29,266 It's not paved or anything. It's just mud. 54 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,700 [officer speaking] 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,800 The officer stops and talks to her, 56 00:02:38,834 --> 00:02:40,567 and it's determined that this is actually the person 57 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,233 that just placed the 911 call. 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,033 [officer speaking] 59 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:54,100 [Burk] She had blood on her, 60 00:02:54,133 --> 00:02:55,900 screaming that her husband had been shot. 61 00:02:55,934 --> 00:02:57,700 They secured her in their squad car, 62 00:02:57,734 --> 00:02:59,166 and they proceeded 63 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,033 to walk down the county road 64 00:03:01,066 --> 00:03:03,967 to attempt to locate her husband. 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,800 So as they're walking down County Road 2595, 66 00:03:06,834 --> 00:03:08,200 there is a single truck 67 00:03:08,233 --> 00:03:10,066 that can be seen on this dirt road. 68 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:11,300 It was running. 69 00:03:11,333 --> 00:03:13,400 The driver's side door was open. There was nobody in it. 70 00:03:13,433 --> 00:03:15,900 They proceeded down past the truck. 71 00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:18,634 They could see headlights in the distance. 72 00:03:18,667 --> 00:03:20,066 They started walking towards that 73 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:22,533 and then they realized there was a body sitting 74 00:03:22,567 --> 00:03:24,767 in the driver seat of a white jeep. 75 00:03:26,133 --> 00:03:27,734 As they start making their approach 76 00:03:27,767 --> 00:03:29,000 closer to the driver, 77 00:03:29,033 --> 00:03:30,567 they realized he was deceased. 78 00:03:33,433 --> 00:03:35,567 They start sending out information over the radio, 79 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,967 send additional units, 80 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,133 notify the sergeant on duty, 81 00:03:39,166 --> 00:03:40,467 to come and assist. 82 00:03:42,166 --> 00:03:44,133 I asked, "What do you have? A murder?" 83 00:03:44,166 --> 00:03:45,333 And she said, "Actually, I think 84 00:03:45,367 --> 00:03:47,200 that we do have a murder." 85 00:03:47,233 --> 00:03:48,767 So when I arrived on scene, 86 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,066 Deputy Hoover met me up the road 87 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:52,967 and started giving me a rundown 88 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,634 of what had transpired. 89 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,200 He advised me 90 00:03:56,233 --> 00:03:58,934 that the female caller who was hysterical 91 00:03:58,967 --> 00:04:01,934 was secured in Officer Bivin's patrol vehicle. 92 00:04:01,967 --> 00:04:04,000 So, at that time, I then went over 93 00:04:04,033 --> 00:04:05,900 and made contact with her. 94 00:04:05,934 --> 00:04:08,600 She was clearly upset and distraught. 95 00:04:08,634 --> 00:04:11,166 I observed her to be covered in mud 96 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,634 and had blood on her. 97 00:04:12,667 --> 00:04:14,634 And she was just hyperventilating. 98 00:04:14,667 --> 00:04:16,033 [Meek speaking] 99 00:04:21,433 --> 00:04:23,166 [medic 1 speaking] 100 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:32,900 [Meek speaking] 101 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:35,200 [Meek speaking] 102 00:04:53,066 --> 00:04:55,033 [Kaiser] You can see how upsetting this is 103 00:04:55,066 --> 00:04:56,233 for Chacey. 104 00:04:56,266 --> 00:04:58,467 Her husband has been shot and killed. 105 00:04:58,500 --> 00:04:59,934 You can tell by the way 106 00:04:59,967 --> 00:05:01,333 she's talking and reacting 107 00:05:01,367 --> 00:05:03,900 that it's taking a tremendous toll on her. 108 00:05:03,934 --> 00:05:06,300 And you can't help but feel for her. 109 00:05:06,333 --> 00:05:07,967 [Meek speaking] 110 00:05:16,433 --> 00:05:17,333 [Meek] Okay. 111 00:05:22,166 --> 00:05:24,333 Her and her husband, Robert Poynter, were 112 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:26,300 supposed to be meeting at the Jack in the Box 113 00:05:26,333 --> 00:05:28,100 to have tacos. 114 00:05:28,133 --> 00:05:30,233 While coming down this road she's never been on, 115 00:05:30,266 --> 00:05:32,433 she gets her Jeep stuck. 116 00:05:32,467 --> 00:05:34,967 And so she was texting him and calling him 117 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,667 and tellin' him that she got stuck, 118 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:38,967 didn't know where she was at 119 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,033 and she sent him a map location 120 00:05:41,066 --> 00:05:42,900 of where she was on that dirt road, 121 00:05:42,934 --> 00:05:45,200 and asked him to respond to the location 122 00:05:45,233 --> 00:05:47,367 to assist her gettin' her Jeep unstuck. 123 00:05:48,467 --> 00:05:50,333 She says that when he got there, 124 00:05:50,367 --> 00:05:52,300 he parked his truck up at the front of the road, 125 00:05:52,333 --> 00:05:53,600 'cause he didn't want to drive it down there 126 00:05:53,634 --> 00:05:54,900 and get it stuck. 127 00:06:05,533 --> 00:06:07,166 [Meek speaking] 128 00:06:10,667 --> 00:06:12,634 So, she met him halfway on the road 129 00:06:12,667 --> 00:06:14,900 and they walked down to her Jeep on foot. 130 00:06:14,934 --> 00:06:16,967 And once they made it to the Jeep, 131 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,934 he told her to stand out of the way 132 00:06:18,967 --> 00:06:20,967 and he got into the driver's seat of the Jeep. 133 00:06:21,533 --> 00:06:22,700 [Chacey speaking] 134 00:06:31,266 --> 00:06:32,100 [gunshot] 135 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:33,834 [Meek] She hears a loud gunshot 136 00:06:33,867 --> 00:06:36,867 and then sees a dark figure standing in front of the Jeep. 137 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,667 She didn't see a weapon, 138 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:41,500 didn't know if he was White, Black or Hispanic, 139 00:06:41,533 --> 00:06:44,033 so she took off running. 140 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:47,767 She pulls her cell phone out, starts calling 911, 141 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,934 then whenever the dispatchers answer the phone, 142 00:06:49,967 --> 00:06:51,567 she says she trips, 143 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,500 falls into a water puddle 144 00:06:53,533 --> 00:06:55,333 and loses her phone. 145 00:06:55,367 --> 00:06:57,700 She picked herself up and continued running 146 00:06:57,734 --> 00:07:00,967 to the roadway where she was able to flag down motorists, 147 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,400 contact 911 again. 148 00:07:06,967 --> 00:07:09,767 [Burk] I received a phone call from Rockwall County dispatch 149 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,834 advising that they'd believed 150 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:12,367 a homicide had just occurred 151 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,133 and I was being dispatched out. 152 00:07:14,767 --> 00:07:16,066 I'd been through some training 153 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:17,533 for homicide investigations 154 00:07:17,567 --> 00:07:19,266 but it was my first actual case 155 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,033 for a homicide to investigate. 156 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:23,500 So, my first task was 157 00:07:23,533 --> 00:07:26,133 to kind of canvass the crime scene. 158 00:07:26,166 --> 00:07:27,700 I see Robert's truck 159 00:07:27,734 --> 00:07:29,533 and you can see a skid mark 160 00:07:29,567 --> 00:07:31,233 or a slide mark 161 00:07:31,266 --> 00:07:33,567 where it looks like somebody slid into mud 162 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,800 which wouldn't match what Chacey said. 163 00:07:36,834 --> 00:07:38,967 And as we're looking at this mud puddle 164 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 there's a glimmer, 165 00:07:40,033 --> 00:07:42,133 a spark, you know, a white light 166 00:07:42,166 --> 00:07:43,400 that shined the back at us, 167 00:07:43,433 --> 00:07:45,834 and realized it's a cell phone. 168 00:07:46,433 --> 00:07:47,834 Luckily, it was waterproof 169 00:07:47,867 --> 00:07:50,367 and we were able to retrieve the phone at that time. 170 00:07:52,233 --> 00:07:53,834 When I get close to the Jeep, 171 00:07:53,867 --> 00:07:56,000 I look at the deceased, 172 00:07:56,033 --> 00:07:58,133 start looking at the surrounding area. 173 00:07:58,166 --> 00:08:01,467 The first thing I notice is there is brain matter 174 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,433 and blood everywhere. 175 00:08:04,166 --> 00:08:08,066 There was a circular impact point 176 00:08:08,100 --> 00:08:09,867 on the back right side of his head. 177 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:11,467 It was pretty apparent 178 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:12,600 that the weapon used 179 00:08:12,634 --> 00:08:14,333 in the murder would be a shotgun. 180 00:08:15,533 --> 00:08:17,166 We searched the vehicle. 181 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,767 Chacey's purse was still on the front floorboard 182 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,233 Robert's cell phone was still in the cup holder. 183 00:08:22,266 --> 00:08:24,734 Nothing was taken out of the vehicle. 184 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:26,266 So we had no belief 185 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:27,700 that this was a robbery 186 00:08:27,734 --> 00:08:30,000 or an attempted theft of any kind. 187 00:08:31,367 --> 00:08:35,033 We start kind of brainstorming of what may have happened. 188 00:08:35,967 --> 00:08:37,934 The area is very heavily wooded. 189 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,500 It's in the middle of nowhere. 190 00:08:40,533 --> 00:08:43,467 Some stranger steps out of the trees, 191 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:45,767 out here in the middle of hundreds of acres 192 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,400 and shoots a man point blank in the head with a shotgun? 193 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:51,500 It just did not make sense. 194 00:08:51,533 --> 00:08:52,600 Our fears tell us 195 00:08:52,634 --> 00:08:54,400 there's bad guys out there in the woods 196 00:08:54,433 --> 00:08:56,033 but that just doesn't happen. 197 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:59,300 And it definitely doesn't happen in Royse City. 198 00:08:59,333 --> 00:09:01,467 [Kaiser] If this wasn't a random shooting... 199 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:03,033 - [gunshot] - ...what was it? 200 00:09:03,066 --> 00:09:05,934 Why would Chacey make up a story like this? 201 00:09:05,967 --> 00:09:07,734 And what does that tell police 202 00:09:07,767 --> 00:09:09,867 about the state of her marriage? 203 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,867 [St. Amant] Robert Poynter was 47 years old, 204 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:21,233 worked as a fire captain 205 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:23,934 at the University Park Fire Department in Dallas. 206 00:09:25,033 --> 00:09:28,433 [McAdams] I first met Bob Poynter in 1998 207 00:09:28,467 --> 00:09:30,533 when I started as a firefighter 208 00:09:30,567 --> 00:09:32,867 at the City of University Park, Texas. 209 00:09:33,934 --> 00:09:35,800 He was big, 210 00:09:35,834 --> 00:09:39,433 quiet, scary, didn't smile a lot. 211 00:09:40,266 --> 00:09:41,734 My first impression was 212 00:09:41,767 --> 00:09:43,834 he looked like a firefighter. 213 00:09:45,266 --> 00:09:46,567 [Earl Starnes] He looked intimidating, 214 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,266 but once you get to know him, he's completely the opposite. 215 00:09:51,667 --> 00:09:53,300 [Grogan] Everybody said he was a gentle giant, 216 00:09:53,333 --> 00:09:54,767 or a big teddy bear. 217 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,433 He'd do anything for anybody, 218 00:09:56,467 --> 00:09:58,166 he'd give you the shirt off his back, 219 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,166 was the way Robert was described. 220 00:10:01,433 --> 00:10:04,333 [St. Amant] Bob had married his high school sweetheart, Amy. 221 00:10:04,367 --> 00:10:07,834 And they had been together for about 20 years. 222 00:10:07,867 --> 00:10:10,767 They had two children together 223 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,533 who were almost grown. 224 00:10:12,567 --> 00:10:15,533 It was one of those early romances 225 00:10:15,567 --> 00:10:19,200 that blossomed into marriage and a family. 226 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:23,266 [McAdams] But just like everybody else 227 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:25,467 that's been married for a long time, 228 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:29,166 people change, things change, attitudes change. 229 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,734 And that's what they were going through. 230 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:34,734 And when that was happenin', 231 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,600 Chacey showed up. 232 00:10:37,834 --> 00:10:41,900 In 2007, Bob Poynter meets Chacey Mormon 233 00:10:41,934 --> 00:10:44,767 who at that time was only 20 years old. 234 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,233 and was working as a nurse's aide. 235 00:10:49,934 --> 00:10:53,300 Robert is working up at the fire station 236 00:10:53,333 --> 00:10:57,700 and a very attractive, younger blonde female comes to the station 237 00:10:57,734 --> 00:10:59,900 and that ends up being Chacey Poynter. 238 00:10:59,934 --> 00:11:02,700 [St. Amant] She would bring cookies. 239 00:11:02,734 --> 00:11:03,834 She would bring doughnuts. 240 00:11:03,867 --> 00:11:08,667 And she was happy to chat up the firefighters. 241 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:11,934 She appeared to have an attraction to Bob. 242 00:11:11,967 --> 00:11:13,900 Then she sort of singled him out 243 00:11:13,934 --> 00:11:16,700 and they struck up a relationship. 244 00:11:16,734 --> 00:11:20,100 And it eventually turned into an affair. 245 00:11:20,133 --> 00:11:22,567 [Kaiser] Marriages can grow stale over time. 246 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,200 And it seems that's what happened 247 00:11:24,233 --> 00:11:26,033 with Robert Poynter and his wife. 248 00:11:26,066 --> 00:11:28,133 And then he meets an attractive woman 249 00:11:28,166 --> 00:11:29,967 18 years younger than him 250 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,266 who was showing him a lot of attention 251 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:33,934 and he falls for her. 252 00:11:35,133 --> 00:11:38,800 [McAdams] She seemed friendly and easy to talk to. 253 00:11:38,834 --> 00:11:40,867 She knew exactly what to say, 254 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:44,967 exactly what to do to pull the strings. 255 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,600 [Grogan] I think from Chacey's point of view, 256 00:11:46,634 --> 00:11:48,367 here's an older man 257 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,200 that seems to be secure in life. 258 00:11:50,233 --> 00:11:52,734 She's wanting bigger and better things at this point. 259 00:11:52,767 --> 00:11:55,367 And so Robert's the perfect guy. 260 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,367 He gave her a lot of attention. 261 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,767 I don't believe Chacey had 262 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,000 a lot of physical male attraction 263 00:12:01,033 --> 00:12:02,433 when she was younger. 264 00:12:02,467 --> 00:12:05,367 Robert is so infatuated with Chacey 265 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,233 that he ends the marriage with his wife, 266 00:12:08,266 --> 00:12:09,767 uh, gets divorced, 267 00:12:10,233 --> 00:12:11,734 and starts 268 00:12:11,767 --> 00:12:14,467 a very heavy relationship with Chacey. 269 00:12:17,667 --> 00:12:20,100 [St. Amant] Bob and Amy divorce 270 00:12:20,133 --> 00:12:23,467 and he marries Chacey in December 2009. 271 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:24,567 At the time, 272 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,834 Chacey is seven months pregnant with their child. 273 00:12:27,867 --> 00:12:29,033 [McAdams] I was very surprised 274 00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:30,600 when they decided to get married. 275 00:12:30,634 --> 00:12:32,500 Because it had been so soon 276 00:12:32,533 --> 00:12:34,600 after his other marriage had ended. 277 00:12:34,634 --> 00:12:37,700 And... and so... 278 00:12:37,734 --> 00:12:39,367 we had conversations about that, 279 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,600 like, "Man, you know, are you sure?" 280 00:12:43,634 --> 00:12:46,066 And he was pretty sure of himself at the time. 281 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,600 [St. Amant] When Chacey got pregnant, 282 00:12:52,634 --> 00:12:54,934 like a lot of women, she ended up, 283 00:12:54,967 --> 00:12:57,233 you know, with some extra weight 284 00:12:57,266 --> 00:12:59,433 after the baby was born 285 00:12:59,467 --> 00:13:01,533 that she had trouble losing. 286 00:13:01,567 --> 00:13:03,567 [Grogan] She wasn't able to lose that weight 287 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,634 and that caused her some ego problems. 288 00:13:06,667 --> 00:13:09,333 [St. Amant] She starts exercising pretty heavily, 289 00:13:09,367 --> 00:13:10,600 starts dieting, 290 00:13:10,634 --> 00:13:14,266 and she ends up losing over 100 pounds. 291 00:13:15,033 --> 00:13:16,600 It was a big change. 292 00:13:16,634 --> 00:13:18,734 And she was coming into her own 293 00:13:18,767 --> 00:13:20,000 as this new young mom 294 00:13:20,033 --> 00:13:22,100 who was very fit. 295 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:24,300 [Kaiser] Many women have gone through this. 296 00:13:24,333 --> 00:13:26,200 They gain weight in pregnancy 297 00:13:26,233 --> 00:13:29,300 and that causes issues of low self-esteem. 298 00:13:29,333 --> 00:13:31,867 When Chacey manages to lose that weight. 299 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:34,100 it's clearly empowering for her. 300 00:13:36,333 --> 00:13:38,233 [Starnes] When she started losing the weight, 301 00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:40,433 she was posting herself all over Facebook 302 00:13:40,467 --> 00:13:42,734 with these pictures of her getting thinner, thinner and thinner. 303 00:13:43,634 --> 00:13:45,467 All the pictures she was posting on Facebook, 304 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:47,667 it was never a picture of her and Bob. 305 00:13:48,333 --> 00:13:49,266 Not once. 306 00:13:49,934 --> 00:13:51,266 Thinking to myself like, 307 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:54,400 "You would never even know that she was married to Bob 308 00:13:54,433 --> 00:13:57,033 just by looking at her Facebook page." 309 00:13:57,066 --> 00:13:58,400 [Grogan] The more weight she lost, 310 00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:01,200 the more attractive she felt inside and outside, 311 00:14:01,233 --> 00:14:03,000 the more confident she became, 312 00:14:03,033 --> 00:14:04,200 and the more willing she was 313 00:14:04,233 --> 00:14:06,367 to step outside the boundaries of the marriage. 314 00:14:09,634 --> 00:14:13,333 [St. Amant] She had started to meet men everywhere. 315 00:14:13,367 --> 00:14:15,667 She met them at the grocery store. 316 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:19,333 She met them on her jogs around the neighborhood. 317 00:14:19,367 --> 00:14:22,367 And she would begin to flirt with them, 318 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,100 to text with them, to start relationships. 319 00:14:26,133 --> 00:14:30,834 And her communication got to be so frequent on her phone 320 00:14:30,867 --> 00:14:33,967 that her husband Bob started to wonder, 321 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,934 "Who is she talking to all the time? 322 00:14:35,967 --> 00:14:37,634 Who is she texting?" 323 00:14:37,667 --> 00:14:39,200 And he started to get suspicious 324 00:14:39,233 --> 00:14:42,033 that maybe she was cheating on him. 325 00:14:42,066 --> 00:14:44,867 Bob was deeply suspicious at this point in the marriage, 326 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:49,166 seven years in, about Chacey's fidelity, 327 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:50,300 or lack of it. 328 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,100 One of Bob's daughters 329 00:14:53,133 --> 00:14:55,333 that was living with him at the time, 330 00:14:55,367 --> 00:14:58,200 found Chacey's laptop open 331 00:14:58,233 --> 00:15:00,400 and Chacey was having a conversation 332 00:15:00,433 --> 00:15:03,133 with one of the guys she was having an affair with. 333 00:15:03,166 --> 00:15:05,967 So she clued Bob into that when she found it. 334 00:15:07,634 --> 00:15:09,300 Bob, he was angry. 335 00:15:09,767 --> 00:15:11,200 He was upset. 336 00:15:11,233 --> 00:15:14,734 He was hurt. 'Cause he did. He cared about her. 337 00:15:18,567 --> 00:15:19,934 The marriage is on the rocks 338 00:15:19,967 --> 00:15:24,266 and, you know, in an effort to try to re-engage his wife, 339 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:27,734 he suggests that they go on a vacation to Mexico. 340 00:15:27,767 --> 00:15:29,533 [McAdams] He wanted to keep the marriage together and he thought, 341 00:15:29,567 --> 00:15:32,100 "Man, this is the perfect way to do that." 342 00:15:32,133 --> 00:15:34,533 [Kaiser] Bob has already gone through one divorce 343 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:36,367 and the last thing he wants 344 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,900 is for it to happen again. 345 00:15:37,934 --> 00:15:40,233 But this time, the shoe is on the other foot. 346 00:15:40,266 --> 00:15:43,934 He's not the one who's straying, it's Chacey. 347 00:15:43,967 --> 00:15:47,567 The question is, does she want to save the marriage, 348 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,266 and at this point, is that even possible. 349 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:55,567 Unfortunately, the relocation to Mexico did not change 350 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,934 the temperature of their marriage. 351 00:15:57,634 --> 00:16:00,500 Chacey was constantly on her phone, 352 00:16:00,533 --> 00:16:02,133 she was messaging people, 353 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:04,367 she was being very secretive. 354 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,266 He called me the day they got back, 355 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:11,400 and, you know, I was like, "Hey, man. How did it go?" 356 00:16:11,433 --> 00:16:13,934 And he told me, "I'm gettin' ahold of my lawyer. 357 00:16:13,967 --> 00:16:16,266 That's it. I'm done with it." 358 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:19,934 And so, I said, "All right, man." You know. "I'm with you." 359 00:16:20,667 --> 00:16:23,233 And he got killed that night. 360 00:16:28,467 --> 00:16:29,867 [Meek speaking over radio] 361 00:16:31,333 --> 00:16:33,800 That night the ambulance crew ended up 362 00:16:33,834 --> 00:16:35,400 needing to go take another call, 363 00:16:35,433 --> 00:16:36,700 so I moved Chacey back 364 00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:39,166 over to Officer Bivin's patrol vehicle 365 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,600 and then I continued interviewing over there. 366 00:16:41,634 --> 00:16:43,700 And she started tellin' me 367 00:16:43,734 --> 00:16:46,200 about how she and her husband Robert were 368 00:16:46,233 --> 00:16:48,033 having marital problems. 369 00:16:58,634 --> 00:16:59,934 [Meek] She's still breathin' heavy. 370 00:16:59,967 --> 00:17:01,467 She's still stutterin' 371 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:03,500 and not speaking full sentences. 372 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:07,700 But when I'd step away from talking to her, 373 00:17:07,734 --> 00:17:08,734 she'd calm down. 374 00:17:08,767 --> 00:17:10,900 But I'd step over to talk to her, 375 00:17:10,934 --> 00:17:13,200 she'd start hyperventilating. 376 00:17:13,233 --> 00:17:15,166 And she continued that behavior 377 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,967 the entire time I talked to her. 378 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,734 I mean, it just wasn't normal. 379 00:17:20,066 --> 00:17:21,367 Chacey then started tellin' me 380 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,200 how she stayed at a friend's house out in Quinlan. 381 00:17:44,266 --> 00:17:46,600 And as I continued talking to her, 382 00:17:46,634 --> 00:17:48,867 she starts getting deeper into the story. 383 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:50,934 And I asked her, "Are you in a relationship 384 00:17:50,967 --> 00:17:54,834 with Michael Garza?" And she hesitated a little bit 385 00:17:54,867 --> 00:17:56,100 but then she eventually admitted 386 00:17:56,133 --> 00:17:58,900 that, yes, she was in a relationship with him. 387 00:17:58,934 --> 00:18:00,467 [Meek speaking] 388 00:18:14,934 --> 00:18:15,967 She admitted to me 389 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,266 that they'd had sexual intercourse that night 390 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:21,634 prior to her leaving to go meet with her husband. 391 00:18:21,667 --> 00:18:23,567 [Kaiser] She's on her way to meet her husband 392 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,533 to discuss their marital problems. 393 00:18:25,567 --> 00:18:28,367 But she's just had sex with another man. 394 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,233 Clearly, there's a lot more to this story 395 00:18:30,266 --> 00:18:31,533 than she's been letting on, 396 00:18:31,567 --> 00:18:34,367 and the police need to find out what it is. 397 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,133 - [Meek] Okay? All right. - [Chacey] Yeah. 398 00:18:36,166 --> 00:18:39,033 [Meek] I stepped away from speaking to her 399 00:18:39,066 --> 00:18:40,600 and I informed detective Burk 400 00:18:40,634 --> 00:18:43,800 and the other officers on scene what she'd said. 401 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:46,900 They actually pulled up 402 00:18:46,934 --> 00:18:49,300 the Facebook of this Michael Garza 403 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:51,200 and got a picture of him 404 00:18:51,233 --> 00:18:54,033 and he was holding a shotgun. 405 00:19:12,266 --> 00:19:13,166 [Meek] Mm-hmm. 406 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,200 - [gunshot] - [Chacey continues] 407 00:19:33,867 --> 00:19:36,634 Detectives are skeptical of Chacey's story. 408 00:19:36,667 --> 00:19:39,333 The idea that a man would be hiding in the woods 409 00:19:39,367 --> 00:19:41,500 for no apparent reason and come out 410 00:19:41,533 --> 00:19:43,200 and shoot her husband in the head, 411 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:44,900 it doesn't make a lot of sense. 412 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:48,000 So they decide to bring her in for additional questioning. 413 00:19:57,634 --> 00:19:59,634 [Burk] Have a seat right here in this gray chair for me. 414 00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:02,100 I just kind of briefly asked her, 415 00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:04,166 tell me a little bit about herself, and what was going on. 416 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,333 She began by tellin' me 417 00:20:07,367 --> 00:20:09,300 about her relationship with her husband 418 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:11,367 and things were not going very well 419 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,600 between her and her husband. 420 00:20:13,166 --> 00:20:14,767 [Chacey speaking] 421 00:20:19,367 --> 00:20:20,433 [Burk speaking] 422 00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:23,600 [Chacey speaking] 423 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:40,533 She claimed that her husband was abusing her, 424 00:20:40,567 --> 00:20:43,033 that he was physically abusive. 425 00:20:43,066 --> 00:20:46,300 She is basically portraying herself as a victim 426 00:20:46,333 --> 00:20:48,800 to Detective Burk at this time. 427 00:20:48,834 --> 00:20:50,767 [Kaiser] This is a very different version 428 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,166 of Robert Poynter than his friends have given. 429 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,400 But it's not unusual for abuse to stay hidden in the home. 430 00:20:58,467 --> 00:21:00,367 The police have to now figure out 431 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,634 if there was abuse, 432 00:21:01,667 --> 00:21:06,533 and if so, was it connected to his murder in some way. 433 00:21:06,567 --> 00:21:08,367 [Burk] Chacey tells me over and over again 434 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,667 that she doesn't know who murdered her husband. 435 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:13,100 Just some unknown figure who just came out of nowhere 436 00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:14,133 and shot her husband. 437 00:21:14,166 --> 00:21:16,767 I wasn't buying that. It didn't make sense. 438 00:21:17,433 --> 00:21:18,700 [Burk speaking] 439 00:21:37,033 --> 00:21:40,000 Every time that things would start getting, I guess, 440 00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:42,834 heavy in the interview, that's where she would go. 441 00:21:42,867 --> 00:21:44,934 "I didn't kill my husband. I didn't kill my husband." 442 00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:17,967 [Chacey speaking] 443 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,100 Detective Burk keeps hitting her 444 00:22:25,133 --> 00:22:26,066 over and over again 445 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,333 and that he's just not believing her. 446 00:22:38,834 --> 00:22:42,066 It starts to break down and wear down on Chacey 447 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,500 where she now starts talking 448 00:22:43,533 --> 00:22:45,166 about this guy that she's been seeing, 449 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,200 that she'd met on the Internet, 450 00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:48,600 Michael Garza. 451 00:22:54,934 --> 00:22:57,200 [Chacey speaking] 452 00:23:21,133 --> 00:23:22,400 - [Burk speaking] - [Chacey speaking] 453 00:23:27,467 --> 00:23:30,667 Chacey tells police that Garza is extremely jealous. 454 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,834 He has threatened violence in the past. 455 00:23:32,867 --> 00:23:34,800 He does not like the fact 456 00:23:34,834 --> 00:23:36,734 that she is still in a relationship 457 00:23:36,767 --> 00:23:37,767 with her husband. 458 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,300 [Chacey speaking] 459 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,800 [Burk speaking] 460 00:23:51,834 --> 00:23:53,867 [Chacey speaking] 461 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:57,066 So, Michael Garza was both jealous and angry 462 00:23:57,100 --> 00:23:58,667 at Robert Poynter. 463 00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:01,033 Could this have led him to shoot Bob? 464 00:24:01,066 --> 00:24:02,000 [gunshot] 465 00:24:02,033 --> 00:24:05,000 And if so, did he do it to protect Chacey, 466 00:24:05,033 --> 00:24:07,634 or so he could have her for himself? 467 00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:28,133 [Chasey speaking softly] 468 00:25:05,634 --> 00:25:08,467 So, Chacey tells police that she didn't believe 469 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:11,200 Michael was going to actually shoot Bob. 470 00:25:11,233 --> 00:25:13,967 She thought the plan was just to scare him, 471 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,800 to intimidate him. 472 00:25:15,834 --> 00:25:17,367 [Grogan] All that's going to happen is 473 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,500 that when they get out there and Robert shows up, 474 00:25:20,533 --> 00:25:22,834 her new boyfriend, Michael Garza is gonna 475 00:25:22,867 --> 00:25:25,433 go up to Robert and threaten him with violence 476 00:25:25,467 --> 00:25:29,133 if he won't stop the abuse towards Chacey. 477 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:32,033 [Chacey sobbing and speaking] 478 00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:05,100 She's so upset, she turns to run away 479 00:26:05,133 --> 00:26:06,834 from the scene of the murder, 480 00:26:06,867 --> 00:26:09,000 gets on her phone and calls 911. 481 00:26:09,033 --> 00:26:10,967 Michael Garza comes after her 482 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,500 and knocks the phone out of her hand 483 00:26:13,533 --> 00:26:15,300 and ends the 911 call. 484 00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:18,867 And according to her, then he just runs out into the woods and runs away. 485 00:26:20,867 --> 00:26:21,867 [Chacey crying] 486 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,767 [Burk speaking] 487 00:26:26,533 --> 00:26:29,300 [Chacey continues crying] 488 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,734 Now that Chacey has implicated Michael Garza 489 00:26:38,767 --> 00:26:40,200 in the murder of her husband, 490 00:26:40,233 --> 00:26:42,266 police have to find him. 491 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:44,266 He's a long haul trucker. 492 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:47,066 So, they immediately worry 493 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,867 that he is going to hit the road. 494 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:52,033 He could leave the state, he could leave the country. 495 00:26:52,066 --> 00:26:53,567 When you're wanted for murder, 496 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,367 there's really no telling what you might do. 497 00:27:33,567 --> 00:27:35,834 Chacey Poynter, after her interview, 498 00:27:35,867 --> 00:27:39,000 and after continuing to implicate herself, 499 00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:41,533 talks herself into being arrested 500 00:27:41,567 --> 00:27:43,467 for conspiracy to commit murder. 501 00:27:48,867 --> 00:27:51,367 Police are worried that Michael Garza might 502 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,467 disappear on them. 503 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,000 He's a trucker, 504 00:27:54,033 --> 00:27:57,500 and if he has heard that Chacey has turned on him, 505 00:27:57,533 --> 00:27:59,367 then he's a desperate man. 506 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,200 And you never know what a desperate man might do. 507 00:28:03,834 --> 00:28:06,266 We started gathering warrants, 508 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,934 uh, search warrants, 509 00:28:07,967 --> 00:28:10,066 arrest warrants, stuff like that, 510 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:13,233 and proceeded to go to his house, 511 00:28:13,266 --> 00:28:15,767 which he was not there at the time, 512 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,367 and conducted a search at the residence. 513 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,867 We found out that he had family here in town. 514 00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,233 Officers went to his family's house trying to locate him. 515 00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:26,600 Of course, they claimed they haven't spoken to him 516 00:28:26,634 --> 00:28:29,033 and hadn't seen him. 517 00:28:29,066 --> 00:28:31,533 There's always a sense of urgency to find a suspect. 518 00:28:31,567 --> 00:28:33,533 Is he gonna go kill somebody else? 519 00:28:33,567 --> 00:28:35,667 Is he, you know, gonna destroy evidence? 520 00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:37,634 We also didn't have his side of the story. 521 00:28:37,667 --> 00:28:39,133 Chacey may have had us all fooled. 522 00:28:41,467 --> 00:28:43,233 I was at home when I got a call 523 00:28:43,266 --> 00:28:45,433 from a battalion chief 524 00:28:45,467 --> 00:28:48,066 and said, "I can only talk for a minute or two. 525 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,300 I just wanna let you know that... Bob's dead. 526 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,867 I don't have all the details." 527 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,400 So, I kind of sat there on the side of the bed 528 00:28:56,433 --> 00:28:58,767 and it didn't really sink in. 529 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,967 My first reaction was, 530 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,634 "She killed him. She killed him." 531 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,600 The fact that... 532 00:29:08,634 --> 00:29:11,066 he had talked to me the day before and said, 533 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:12,967 "I'm gettin' a divorce." 534 00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:16,000 And me just seeing 535 00:29:16,033 --> 00:29:18,634 everything that had happened up until that point, 536 00:29:18,667 --> 00:29:21,567 you know, there was no doubt in my mind. 537 00:29:22,767 --> 00:29:24,634 I told Bob, I remember saying, I said, "Man, 538 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:26,300 that girl's crazy. 539 00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,367 She's crazy." 540 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,700 [St. Amant] Two days after the murder, 541 00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:41,900 to the surprise of just about everyone, 542 00:29:41,934 --> 00:29:44,533 Michael Garza turns himself in. 543 00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:07,066 [Burk] When he refused to speak to me, 544 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,333 I was very disappointed. Absolutely. 545 00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:10,867 If he was truly innocent, 546 00:30:10,900 --> 00:30:13,967 any way that we could clear his name, would've been great. 547 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,400 But he chose not to. 548 00:30:17,867 --> 00:30:21,233 We've now got what we believe may be the shooter. 549 00:30:21,266 --> 00:30:23,100 We were able to track his whereabouts 550 00:30:23,133 --> 00:30:24,934 based on his cell phone number. 551 00:30:24,967 --> 00:30:26,200 And that really matched up 552 00:30:26,233 --> 00:30:28,100 with where the murder happened, 553 00:30:28,133 --> 00:30:29,233 which was at Royse City area 554 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:31,200 behind the high-school on that county road. 555 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,600 On October 7th, 2016, 556 00:30:34,634 --> 00:30:36,033 about a month after the murder, 557 00:30:36,066 --> 00:30:37,867 we got a big break in our case. 558 00:30:40,266 --> 00:30:41,533 A quarter mile south-west 559 00:30:41,567 --> 00:30:44,634 from where the murder scene had occurred, 560 00:30:44,667 --> 00:30:48,533 a farmer found a shotgun out of his field. 561 00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:52,400 He contacted 911. Officers were sent on scene. 562 00:30:53,133 --> 00:30:54,500 When they took the serial number 563 00:30:54,533 --> 00:30:56,066 off this recovered shotgun, 564 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:58,033 and ran it through the ATF search, 565 00:30:58,066 --> 00:31:00,500 it came back with the purchaser 566 00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:03,266 of this shotgun being a Matthew Garza, 567 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,100 Michael Garza's brother. 568 00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:06,533 What was interesting is 569 00:31:06,567 --> 00:31:08,967 if you were to draw a vertical line 570 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,233 from where Robert Poynter was slouched over dead that night 571 00:31:12,266 --> 00:31:13,567 on that county road, 572 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,467 to Michael Garza's mother's house, 573 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,233 it goes right through that farmer's field. 574 00:31:18,266 --> 00:31:20,033 We also had the picture of him off Facebook 575 00:31:20,066 --> 00:31:23,767 holding what appeared to be the exact same shotgun. 576 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,734 [Grogan] Most of the evidence seems to indicate 577 00:31:25,767 --> 00:31:28,300 that the person most familiar with the shotgun would've been 578 00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:29,600 the person who pulled the trigger. 579 00:31:29,634 --> 00:31:31,300 It would've been Michael Garza. 580 00:31:33,967 --> 00:31:36,767 It looks like Michael Garza was indeed the shooter. 581 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,000 But the big question police haven't been able to answer is, 582 00:31:41,033 --> 00:31:44,667 "What role did Chacey play in the crime?" 583 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,800 [St. Amant] When police get into Chacey's phone, 584 00:31:46,834 --> 00:31:49,734 they find a treasure trove of evidence. 585 00:31:49,767 --> 00:31:54,634 She has texted Michael Garza hundreds of times. 586 00:31:54,667 --> 00:32:00,634 The messages between Michael and Chacey show his mindset. 587 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,634 [Grogan] There's no doubt that he is infatuated 588 00:32:04,667 --> 00:32:06,133 with Chacey Poynter, just from reading 589 00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:07,233 his text messages 590 00:32:07,266 --> 00:32:09,967 that were recovered off of Chacey's phone. 591 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,800 "I'm willing to protect you and never hurt you." 592 00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:15,300 This is on August 9th, 2016. 593 00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:17,767 "You're one that deserves to be treated like a queen." 594 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,567 A little later, "I reckon the question would be 595 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,266 what I wouldn't do for you. 596 00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,100 The answer is nothing." 597 00:32:26,133 --> 00:32:28,000 At one point, he even says, 598 00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:30,834 "I'll rock an orange jumpsuit." 599 00:32:30,867 --> 00:32:32,667 Which seems to mean 600 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,634 that he's willing to go to prison for Chacey. 601 00:32:35,667 --> 00:32:38,700 He is thinking with one body part only at this point. 602 00:32:38,734 --> 00:32:40,467 He's not thinking with his brain. 603 00:32:43,533 --> 00:32:46,533 In July 2018, the State of Texas decides to go 604 00:32:46,567 --> 00:32:49,000 to trial first on Michael Garza. 605 00:32:49,033 --> 00:32:51,233 At the trial, he basically tries to say 606 00:32:51,266 --> 00:32:52,700 that it was all Chacey. 607 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:56,900 What he admits to doing is providing the shotgun 608 00:32:56,934 --> 00:32:58,200 and letting Chacey decide. 609 00:32:58,233 --> 00:33:00,700 If she wants to do something, she can do it on her own. 610 00:33:00,734 --> 00:33:02,467 So, according to him, 611 00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:04,467 he let's Chacey meet her husband 612 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,600 on this dark county road by herself. 613 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,734 Michael Garza claimed that after he got out of the Jeep, 614 00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:14,033 he went over to his mother's property, 615 00:33:14,066 --> 00:33:16,634 and decided he would go see his mom. 616 00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:19,934 And then they have a sick cow named Oreo. 617 00:33:19,967 --> 00:33:23,200 [St. Amant] He claims that he was by Oreo's side 618 00:33:23,233 --> 00:33:25,166 when Bob Poynter was shot. 619 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,200 So, his alibi for Bob Poynter's murder is 620 00:33:28,233 --> 00:33:31,433 actually that he's taking care of a sick cow, 621 00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:32,867 out in the fields. 622 00:33:33,934 --> 00:33:35,967 I almost fell out of the chair. 623 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000 I didn't wanna lose my composure, 624 00:33:38,033 --> 00:33:39,100 you don't wanna do that as a prosecutor, 625 00:33:39,133 --> 00:33:41,734 but that was one of the most laughable moments 626 00:33:41,767 --> 00:33:43,600 I think I've ever had as a prosecutor. 627 00:33:47,433 --> 00:33:51,033 On July 20th, 2018, Michael Garza is 628 00:33:51,066 --> 00:33:52,433 convicted of murder 629 00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:55,200 and sentenced to 99 years in prison. 630 00:33:56,634 --> 00:33:58,634 [Starnes] He had to have been sitting there thinking, 631 00:33:58,667 --> 00:34:00,166 "Man, how dumb am I? 632 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,200 How did I fall? How did I... she... get me into this?" 633 00:34:05,367 --> 00:34:07,934 I saw him on the stand 634 00:34:07,967 --> 00:34:11,533 and I realized that he was just a puppet 635 00:34:11,567 --> 00:34:13,066 and he didn't even know it. 636 00:34:15,934 --> 00:34:17,533 [Kaiser] Authorities think Chacey helped 637 00:34:17,567 --> 00:34:20,300 to plan the murder at the very least. 638 00:34:20,333 --> 00:34:23,934 But do they have enough proof to convince a jury? 639 00:34:23,967 --> 00:34:26,900 Prosecutors believe that there's more to the story. 640 00:34:26,934 --> 00:34:30,200 As they sift through the thousands of text messages 641 00:34:30,233 --> 00:34:31,300 on Chacey's phone, 642 00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:33,600 they discover that Michael Garza was 643 00:34:33,634 --> 00:34:37,066 not the only man she was trying to seduce and convince 644 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:38,400 to kill her husband. 645 00:34:48,266 --> 00:34:49,867 [Burk] Based on the investigation, 646 00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:51,500 you know, the interrogation with Chacey, 647 00:34:51,533 --> 00:34:54,033 we knew that she was definitely involved. 648 00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:58,133 In June 2019, the trial of Chacey Poynter begins. 649 00:34:59,133 --> 00:35:01,867 [Grogan] Chacey Poynter's defense at trial, 650 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,567 she tried to stick to the original story, 651 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,500 the narrative that she gave Detective Burk 652 00:35:05,533 --> 00:35:09,600 two years earlier in that interview room in Royse City, which is, 653 00:35:09,634 --> 00:35:12,033 she didn't know this was gonna happen, she never wanted 654 00:35:12,066 --> 00:35:14,634 her husband harmed or murdered, 655 00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:17,000 and that Michael Garza ultimately decided 656 00:35:17,033 --> 00:35:18,333 to do this on his own. 657 00:35:26,634 --> 00:35:28,367 For her to sit there and say that she just wanted 658 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,700 Garza to scare Bob. 659 00:35:30,734 --> 00:35:34,900 I mean, the guy is 6'4, 260-280, 660 00:35:34,934 --> 00:35:37,367 he runs into burning buildings for a living. 661 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,433 You're not gonna scare that man. 662 00:35:39,467 --> 00:35:42,834 [Kaiser] Clearly, Chacey knew that Garza would kill Bob. 663 00:35:42,867 --> 00:35:44,367 Because she put him up to it. 664 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,166 And police have discovered, 665 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,166 he wasn't the only one 666 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,300 she tried to groom for the job. 667 00:35:53,033 --> 00:35:54,400 [St. Amant] Chacey Poynter claimed 668 00:35:54,433 --> 00:35:55,700 that the murder of her husband 669 00:35:55,734 --> 00:35:58,033 had been planned by Michael Garza. 670 00:35:58,066 --> 00:36:00,266 But her text messages show 671 00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:03,367 that Chacey was having multiple affairs 672 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,467 with men all over the Dallas area. 673 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,433 [Burk] In several text messages 674 00:36:09,467 --> 00:36:10,834 to several different men, 675 00:36:10,867 --> 00:36:13,433 it's almost like she's testing the waters. 676 00:36:13,467 --> 00:36:16,033 She would make comments that she needs him gone now. 677 00:36:16,066 --> 00:36:18,500 And that she just needs Robert to die in a fire 678 00:36:18,533 --> 00:36:22,166 so that she could, you know, have his financial backing 679 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,600 to continue her life. 680 00:36:23,634 --> 00:36:25,567 And whenever she would push the issue 681 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,967 about somebody helping her or doing something, 682 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,066 majority of the men would always respond 683 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:32,834 with "Well, there's nothing I can do." 684 00:36:33,967 --> 00:36:37,266 All of them except for one wouldn't take the bait. 685 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,567 To their credit. They saw 686 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,033 that this is beyond what they were willing to get into. 687 00:36:42,634 --> 00:36:45,200 Except for one. Michael Garza. 688 00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,634 Chacey claimed that she was in an abusive relationship. 689 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,033 When we looked into that, 690 00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:55,066 we couldn't find any evidence of it. 691 00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,467 No 911 calls of domestic violence, 692 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:59,800 no offense reports, no medical records, 693 00:36:59,834 --> 00:37:03,967 nothing to corroborate that Robert Poynter was 694 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,166 a abusive-type person. 695 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,500 [Starnes] 'Cause it's the farthest thing from the truth. 696 00:37:08,533 --> 00:37:10,433 All the lies about him hitting her 697 00:37:10,467 --> 00:37:12,734 and being physically abusive and... 698 00:37:12,767 --> 00:37:16,133 and, you know... I mean... hey. 699 00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:18,400 You could go back and look at all her damn Facebook pictures. 700 00:37:18,433 --> 00:37:21,934 She's wearing like the smallest shirt she could possibly wear, 701 00:37:22,533 --> 00:37:23,967 and cut-off shorts 702 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,367 and there's not a mark or bruise anywhere on her. 703 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,367 They even contacted his ex-wife Amy 704 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,000 and she had no claims of abuse. 705 00:37:34,033 --> 00:37:37,400 It appears that Chacey fabricated 706 00:37:37,433 --> 00:37:39,834 this story in whole cloth. 707 00:37:40,867 --> 00:37:44,233 So, Bob Poynter was never abusive towards Chacey. 708 00:37:44,266 --> 00:37:48,800 She concocted that lie, and smeared his good name. 709 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:51,266 All to convince one of the men she was seeing 710 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:52,467 to feel sorry for her, 711 00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,333 in hopes that he would kill Bob. 712 00:37:55,367 --> 00:37:58,967 It was all a cunning act of manipulation. 713 00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:07,467 [Burk] Everybody wants to know the why. 714 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,634 Everything pointed to one thing and that was money. 715 00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:12,867 [St. Amant] Bob had already been through one divorce. 716 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,300 And so, when he went into his marriage with Chacey, 717 00:38:16,333 --> 00:38:18,934 he had her sign a pre-nuptial agreement. 718 00:38:18,967 --> 00:38:21,133 So, a lot of his assets were protected. 719 00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:25,200 But one that wasn't was his life insurance policy. 720 00:38:25,233 --> 00:38:27,700 Chacey was the sole beneficiary 721 00:38:27,734 --> 00:38:32,033 on a nearly $700,000 life insurance policy. 722 00:38:33,033 --> 00:38:35,066 He knew she wasn't gonna get anything 723 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:37,734 because of the prenup they had signed and so, 724 00:38:37,767 --> 00:38:40,900 that was his way of just trying to keep the peace with her, 725 00:38:40,934 --> 00:38:42,967 that she's on the life insurance policy, 726 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,367 "In case something happens to me at the firehouse." 727 00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:48,367 [St. Amant] It appears that she saw 728 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,967 the only way out of the marriage was 729 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,767 to go out with financial benefit. 730 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,166 And so, that brought up 731 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,867 the idea of murder. 732 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,800 Unfortunately for Michael Garza, 733 00:39:04,834 --> 00:39:08,400 he was used totally as a pawn in this murder scheme. 734 00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:12,066 He really had nothing to gain by killing Bob Poynter, 735 00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:15,100 but Chacey was able to manipulate him 736 00:39:15,133 --> 00:39:16,700 and convince him 737 00:39:16,734 --> 00:39:20,100 that he needed to do this to protect her honor. 738 00:39:20,133 --> 00:39:22,100 She found somebody who was gullible enough 739 00:39:22,133 --> 00:39:23,233 to believe her stories 740 00:39:23,266 --> 00:39:27,900 and somebody dumb enough to follow through with it. 741 00:39:27,934 --> 00:39:30,266 [Kaiser] Chacey used the lie that she was being abused 742 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,300 to trick Garza into killing for her. 743 00:39:32,333 --> 00:39:34,934 So in the end, she took two lives. 744 00:39:34,967 --> 00:39:39,300 Her husband Robert Poynter's and Michael Garza's. 745 00:39:39,333 --> 00:39:42,033 All to get Bob's life insurance. 746 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,634 [Grogan] The jury, after deliberating 747 00:39:47,667 --> 00:39:49,100 for several hours, 748 00:39:49,133 --> 00:39:52,700 ultimately found Chacey Poynter guilty of murder. 749 00:39:52,734 --> 00:39:55,066 It was 11-1 for capital murder. 750 00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,300 We had one "not guilty" on capital murder. 751 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,066 The jury sentenced her to life 752 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:03,200 with a chance of parole in 30 years. 753 00:40:03,233 --> 00:40:05,533 [Grogan] Despite what she tried to say, 754 00:40:05,567 --> 00:40:07,467 all the other evidence indicated that 755 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,133 Robert Poynter really was the gentle giant 756 00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:11,567 that everybody else described him as, 757 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,500 and Chacey Poynter really was 758 00:40:13,533 --> 00:40:14,934 the cold-hearted, manipulative, 759 00:40:14,967 --> 00:40:16,767 evil person that she is. 760 00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,266 [Starnes] It's kinda bittersweet. 761 00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:27,333 Like, inside, I was ecstatic, you know, 762 00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:29,300 that she was going away, 763 00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:32,200 but at the same time, it was kinda like... 764 00:40:33,333 --> 00:40:34,567 I don't know. It was kinda like 765 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,433 the final chapter, you know? 766 00:40:36,467 --> 00:40:39,100 Sort of a realization that Bob is... 767 00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:41,667 never coming back. 768 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,467 [McAdams] Bob was a good man. 769 00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:49,900 He was the epitome of what a firefighter was. 770 00:40:49,934 --> 00:40:52,900 And he would gladly 771 00:40:53,567 --> 00:40:57,700 give his life for you. 772 00:40:58,333 --> 00:40:59,800 He was my friend. 773 00:41:06,834 --> 00:41:08,800 [voice shaking] And I... I miss that dude. 774 00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:10,634 I miss that guy every day. 775 00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:23,467 MAN: She was light. She was sexual. 776 00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:27,867 WOMAN: He was capable of awful and dark things. 777 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:30,934 He's evil. He's a monster. 778 00:41:30,967 --> 00:41:34,533 And he could charm a nun out of her habit. 779 00:41:34,567 --> 00:41:37,900 That's when all hell breaks loose. 780 00:41:38,767 --> 00:41:41,567 Once they met fireworks are going to fly. 781 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,200 It was like Romeo and Juliet. I'll do anything for you. 782 00:41:47,533 --> 00:41:48,567 From the outside looking in 783 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,300 you would not know there was any trouble. 784 00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:55,734 Everyone has a breaking point. Every one of us. 785 00:41:57,233 --> 00:41:59,367 MAN: She knew that Brian would do anything for her. 786 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,533 She was willing to use her body to manipulate men. 787 00:42:05,567 --> 00:42:08,433 WOMAN: The two most common motives for murder 788 00:42:08,467 --> 00:42:10,934 are money and love. 789 00:42:10,967 --> 00:42:14,467 And seduction can be overpowering. 790 00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:15,967 [gun shot] 59705

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