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Greetings from the Synagogue.
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Nobody would knowingly join a cult.
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It will just take you.
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And when it's grabbed a hold of you,
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it infiltrates your mind.
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My name is Rachel
and I'm from the UK,
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and we are all here
as evangelists in training
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under our Father in the Lord,
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Senior Prophet TB Joshua.
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Urgh.
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Nightmare.
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What the man of God told us,
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that Satan is the author of killing,
of stealing and of destruction.
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I'm looking at myself,
and I don't even recognise myself.
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I can't watch stuff.
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I just find it, like,
very disturbing.
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I just went down this rabbit hole
of, like,
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one horror to another horror.
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He wanted to be the biggest,
the best,
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the most important pastor
in the world.
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A man who has got
a list of presidents
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in his pocket.
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This is the first time that
the truth is being heard...
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..from the heart
of this organisation.
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Some people,
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they are still living in fear
for their lives,
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in fear for the retribution
that will come
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if they do open their mouths.
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I had no idea he was
a serial predator.
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TB Joshua was perpetrating crimes
on a global scale
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for 30-plus years.
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I think everybody that came from
that place has guilt.
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He took people
who were good, caring, kind,
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lovely people
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and he turned them into monsters.
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SCREAMING
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And I shall walk through,
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just to see what's happening
through here.
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That's a door.
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These two telly addicts.
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What? They've been watching telly
all morning.
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No, we haven't! Yeah, you've got
square eyes, Rachel Holmes!
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HE BABBLES
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I grew up in a pretty happy family.
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I was lucky.
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My dad was a chartered accountant.
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He worked in London.
We lived rurally.
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I would say I was quite privileged
in that respect.
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LAUGHTER
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If you told me that
this would be my life story,
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I would've said,
"Yeah, get out of here. No way."
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You know, I'm bright, I'm sharp.
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But it happened to me and to many
of my friends across the world.
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I grew up generally in the Midlands,
in the middle of the UK.
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I was from a working class family.
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My dad was a bus driver.
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My mum used to work at McDonald's.
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Both my parents
were devout Christians.
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Charismatic evangelical.
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My whole upbringing
was in the community
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of whatever church
we were a part of.
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Around the age of ten,
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my mum was very sick.
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She passed away of breast cancer.
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So it was just me and my dad.
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Seeing my mum go through that pain,
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I had a deep-rooted fear inside me,
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watching my mum die of that disease.
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With the charismatic Christian
movement,
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there is such desperation.
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We believe in miracles.
We believe in healing.
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But then I'd ask myself,
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where are all these healings?
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You know, where are these miracles?
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# Once again, I thank you
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# Once again, I pour out my life. #
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I went to an evangelical church.
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I used to take life
super seriously.
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I wasn't just following my parents
to church.
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I decided at that stage
that I wanted to live for God.
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I had a lot of things going on
for me privately
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that I didn't feel
I could speak about.
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When I was 12, I realised I was gay,
and it was like,
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"Oh, my God, that can't be me."
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But this deep knowing that it was.
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And I just pushed it down -
so far.
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I was just terrified.
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Like, I can't have God if I'm gay,
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and I can't be gay
because it's wrong.
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I think that's what made me start
searching for a solution to that.
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So the day that started it all
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was the day
that I was shown videos
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from the Synagogue Church
of All Nations.
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Nothing was ever the same again.
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We didn't quite know
what we were going to see.
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Greetings from the Synagogue.
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As soon as it started playing,
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it had a really profound effect
on me.
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Look at the screen
of your television right now.
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It was an African church,
and I was like,
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"What am I seeing?
What am I watching?"
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SHOUTING
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They were quite graphic.
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There was no warning.
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It was private body parts
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that were swollen
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and kind of oozing with pus.
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These people with cancers
and growths
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just being vulnerable and desperate.
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It was shocking to see.
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The church had documented
basically very raw,
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very, like, rough-cut
productions of...
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..miracles.
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Help my brother! Help my brother,
man of God!
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The people I saw in the videos,
they were real.
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Their ailments, their sicknesses,
their suffering
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was evidentially real.
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And then there were these incredible
documented healings.
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Go on! Go on!
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Oh!
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I saw a lady with breast cancer.
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And then, a few days later,
the wound had healed.
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And everyone is just in awe.
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I was like, "What?
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"How is...? How is that possible?
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"How is that happening?"
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Here was somewhere where breast
cancer wasn't a death sentence.
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Here was hope.
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And then, slowly,
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I saw the man who was praying
for all these people.
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This African man comes and reaches
his arm out from a distance,
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and then they were being healed.
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This is, like...
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This is what Jesus would've done.
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Who is this man?
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What church is this?
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W-Where is this place?
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What I saw wasn't something
that you could forget.
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It just never left my mind.
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I thought, "Well, maybe this is
the answer to my problems.
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"Maybe this man
can straighten me out."
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Like, "If he prays to me,
I won't be gay any more,
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"and then I can just give
my life to God."
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And that started my pursuit
to Nigeria.
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I booked a flight
with a friend of mine.
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I was so excited.
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It was like I was going to go
into a time machine
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and travel back to biblical times
and I was going to meet Jesus.
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I didn't get off a bus one day
and decide to go to Lagos.
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I was already seeking something
greater than what I'd seen.
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APPLAUSE
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AUDIENCE: Hallelujah!
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AGOMOH:
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LAUGHTER
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PRESENTER:
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BISOLA:
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AGOMOH:
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APPLAUSE
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SCREAMING
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Oh, my head!
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BISOLA:
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PRESENTER:
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AGOMOH:
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TB JOSHUA:
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Huh?
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BISOLA:
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TB JOSHUA:
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BISOLA:
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AGOMOH:
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Boom!
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AGOMOH:
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AGOMOH:
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BISOLA:
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AGOMOH:
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AGOMOH:
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AGOMOH:
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PRESENTER:
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AGOMOH:
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BISOLA:
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Say Emmanuel!
Emmanuel!
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When I first got to Lagos Airport,
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we told them that we were going
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to the Synagogue Church
of All Nations.
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"Oh, go through, go through."
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It was like a free pass,
entry to anything.
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It was just like, "Oh, go through.
Go through. Of course.
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"Oh, yeah. You're here...
Yes, off you go."
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Right from the moment that I landed,
I just got super emotional.
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I'd made a pact with God.
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I want to know the God
of the Gospels.
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I want to see those miracles.
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And if I can't see them
and they're not real,
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I'm out of here.
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I'd never seen
a local African town before,
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and it was hustle and bustle
and street sellers and food,
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and it was very colourful.
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I was just taking everything in.
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So you kind of went down a driveway
in these vehicles
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that had other foreign visitors in.
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There were tour groups going up
from South Africa
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in quite large numbers.
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I'm Angelique
and I'm from South Africa.
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# This jolly man, he comes again. #
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Even before I went, I had
these VHS tapes that I'd watched,
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and I'd seen
the most incredible things.
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And I was so beyond excited
to see this in real life.
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BISOLA:
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Nigerian disciples
with these beautiful smiles
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welcome you.
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There's just people smiling.
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Everyone looks so happy.
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I was, like, surrounded
by all these amazing African people
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who were so friendly and loving,
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kind of treating me like
I was so super special.
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Like it was like an honour
to have me.
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I recognised it immediately
from the videos,
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and I remember turning
and I looked...
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..I looked
into the church auditorium.
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And it was a sea of wooden pews.
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It was a corrugated iron roof
with hundreds and hundreds
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of wooden posts,
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which all had televisions attached
to them.
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I've never seen so many TVs
in my life,
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like, rigged up.
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And the very next day you're shown
video after video after video,
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miracle after miracle after miracle.
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Pause for food.
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Miracle after miracle after miracle.
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I remember sitting there for hours.
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It was this, like, insane euphoria.
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I was stepping into those videos.
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You know, the miracles, the praying,
the crowds, the excitement,
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the Holy Spirit atmosphere.
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And by about the third day,
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we saw live testimonies.
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We look at those negative
HIV medical reports.
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There was medical evidence.
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You were up close and personal,
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observing what was going on.
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Quite a few doctors just said,
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"Look, in our medical profession,
we can't explain this."
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APPLAUSE
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There were queues and queues
and queues of people.
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Like, hundreds and hundreds
of people queuing up
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with, like, various ailments.
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People are crying, people are
begging for healing.
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There was absolute desperation,
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as if the church was the last
and only point of call,
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the only place
where they could receive help.
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It becomes not just
their desperation
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for this to be true,
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but you are also desperate
for this to be true for them.
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There was electricity in the air.
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There was, like, 20 people behind
the cameraman
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catching someone that's falling.
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They're standing up, shouting,
"I'm healed, I'm healed!"
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You don't have time
to process anything.
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You have this figurehead
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who almost floats through the crowds
with the people behind him
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and people in front of him,
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and you're just swept along.
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I can see!
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I had a really involuntary
reaction,
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and I just broke down
in floods of tears.
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I didn't cry from,
like, a high place.
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I cried from, like, a deep place.
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Like, deep in my stomach.
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I stood there and then he came,
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and I found myself being hurled
backwards
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into the dirt
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in front of everybody.
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Like a big kind of thump.
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Like boof to the ground.
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Then you're up again,
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and, boof, you're down again.
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Jesus!
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This is what I've been looking for.
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This is what we've been praying for.
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I felt I'd seen the reality
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of this God
I had been desperately seeking.
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# On the way to salvation
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# Wait for me
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# Jesus, wait for me. #
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AGOMOH:
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We count ourselves so lucky
to have found this little place
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of miracles, of wonder
in the middle of nowhere.
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AGOMOH:
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I just remember sitting there,
thinking to myself,
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"This is incredible.
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"I feel like I'm sitting
in the garden of Gethsemane
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"under the olive trees with Jesus."
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BISOLA:
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AGOMOH:
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I was 17 years old.
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I got my A-level results
while I was in Nigeria,
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but I couldn't care less about them.
299
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I wanted to be like Jesus.
300
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I wanted to be like TB Joshua.
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I wish I could have
that connection with God.
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I wanted to be like him.
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BISOLA:
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00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,640
AGOMOH:
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00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,560
BISOLA:
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Bisola recruited me.
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00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,040
My bags were pulled out
of the truck.
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My friend was put on the plane.
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My parents collected her
at Heathrow.
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She was basically crying, like,
"Rae's not coming back.
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"She's, like, stayed there."
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00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,520
Nigerian sister came to me and said,
"TB Joshua wants to meet you."
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There was an urgency there.
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"No, no, no, no.
You have to come now.
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"You have to come now."
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And when I entered, the Nigerian
sister kind of ushered me
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to kneel down.
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"Kneel down."
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And immediately, TB Joshua said...
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"God's told me you're going to stay.
321
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,760
"You're meant to be here.
322
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"You're going to stay with me
forever."
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We were living on site,
in the church.
324
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When you live at the compound,
you don't leave the compound.
325
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,720
There's armed men at the gate
with guns.
326
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,640
There's a wall.
There's barbed fencing.
327
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,840
The windows are blacked out.
328
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,040
The stairs were concrete.
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00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,800
The walls were concrete.
330
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It felt like a labyrinth.
331
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You're told never to leave.
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You could get killed.
333
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,600
You could get attacked.
334
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,040
The outside of the compound
is terrifying.
335
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,360
The disciples were a group
of about 100 at a time.
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00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,000
From Nigeria, from the UK,
from America.
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00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,080
And usually quite young people.
338
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,240
When I had this opportunity,
I was like,
339
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,800
"This is what I've been looking for.
340
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,520
"This is a prophet
who has been called by God.
341
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,320
"God speaks to him directly.
342
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,320
"He'll be able to guide me
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00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,040
"in how I can live my life."
344
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,040
There was a male dormitory
and a female dormitory.
345
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,600
There was a culture of, like,
nakedness in the room.
346
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,440
It was good to be body positive
and not have my clothes on.
347
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,680
Just being completely naked
in the female dorm room.
348
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,880
My mind instantly went
to Adam and Eve.
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I immediately thought, "Yeah,
there's nothing wrong with that."
350
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160
I got taken by two women
351
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,840
and they stripped me naked
352
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,760
and they pushed me in a shower
and turned the water on.
353
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,560
And I remember saying something
along the lines of,
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00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,160
"I can do it." And they were like,
"No, we're sisters now.
355
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,880
"We're here to do this for you."
356
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,160
I didn't really know
anyone's last name, really,
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00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160
their age.
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00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,560
I was Sister Cara.
359
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,000
I was Sister Anneka.
360
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,080
That was immediately encouraged,
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00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,680
to see each other as family.
362
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720
AGOMOH:
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You couldn't contact anyone outside.
364
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,520
I didn't have my own cellphone.
365
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,280
We didn't really have access
to our own personal email.
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00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,520
We didn't have our passports.
367
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,400
They held them for us.
368
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,040
AGOMOH:
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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,360
Jesus used to say to his disciples,
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00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,000
"Leave your father and mother
and join me."
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00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,000
That's what we had all done.
372
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,520
We had left our families.
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00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,800
When I first arrived,
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00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,520
it was only a couple of days
that I started hearing
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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,000
disciples calling him Daddy.
376
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,320
We all called him Daddy.
377
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Everybody called him Daddy.
378
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000
He tried to, like, look after us.
379
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
And, you know,
we would all call him Daddy.
380
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,640
I thought it was a bit odd,
but I brushed it aside.
381
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,000
You know, I dismissed it.
382
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640
I can't really look back
and say that my childhood
383
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,400
was really happy.
384
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,920
And he seemed to be really caring
towards me
385
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,400
and different.
386
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,360
Like, a really warm
and friendly guy.
387
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,000
He had, like, this office
which had a cupboard in it.
388
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
It had a whole bunch of, like,
imported sweets.
389
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,520
And he kind of used these as, like,
little treats for people.
390
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Almost like we were kids.
391
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,200
He'd always sit on a swivel chair,
392
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
and sometimes he'd push off the wall
and go, "Wee!"
393
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,880
And everyone would go,
"Oh, he's so silly."
394
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,000
We'd revel in that.
395
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
"Oh, silly Daddy!"
396
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,480
It's like you're in this kind of
perpetual childhood state
397
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760
because he also treats you
like a child.
398
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,640
And he calls you a child.
399
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,000
There was this kind of, like,
regression that took place.
400
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
You'd just, like, giggle like a kid
and stuff.
401
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,840
It was so strange.
402
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480
I was 17, but I felt like
a 12-year-old.
403
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Like I was very young in terms
of understanding of the world.
404
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240
I remember just feeling
like I feel at home.
405
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Like, I felt these kind
of warm sensations.
406
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,640
AGOMOH:
407
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Emmanuel. Greetings from
the Synagogue.
408
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Experience a new level in life.
409
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,520
My name is Rachel
and I'm from the UK,
410
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,000
and we are all here
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00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,520
living in the Synagogue Church
of All Nations
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00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,680
as evangelists in training
under our Father in the Lord,
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00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,800
Senior Prophet TB Joshua.
414
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,320
He was really keen to use us
on the videos,
415
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,360
to endorse him
and to get the endorsement
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00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,280
of the Western world.
417
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,000
And you are joining us here at
the Synagogue Church of All Nation
418
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,480
after a wonderful Sunday service...
419
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,240
I felt like we all had this truth.
420
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:55,160
We felt that the world needed
TB Joshua.
421
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,280
Can you tell us,
what is your opinion
422
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,200
of the Man of God,
Prophet TB Joseph?
423
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,680
BISOLA:
424
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,280
AGOMOH:
425
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,760
What can you tell us about
your experience here?
426
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,320
My experience has been awesome.
427
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,680
At the beginning,
we all look really bad.
428
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,760
And, like, malnourished.
429
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Visitors had started asking
questions.
430
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,240
So then it was like, "Well, you guys
have to dress really well."
431
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,920
We had to do all our make-up.
432
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,280
We had to look good.
433
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,480
We know that you've just had
the wonderful privilege
434
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,000
to join us here at the Synagogue
Church of All Nations
435
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,400
on our Sunday service.
436
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,160
AGOMOH:
437
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,360
Being a disciple,
438
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,160
you lived under a really strict set
439
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000
of rules.
440
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,000
If he came into any room
and you didn't stand up,
441
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,360
that would be considered an offence.
442
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,000
We weren't allowed to read anything.
443
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,920
We weren't allowed to watch movies.
444
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,720
You know, he would say
what you should wear,
445
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,640
what you shouldn't.
446
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,000
BISOLA:
447
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,880
TB JOSHUA:
448
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,560
AUDIENCE: I promise to submit
myself...
449
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,200
..to all that you desire of me.
450
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,160
One of my jobs was writing
articles for the church.
451
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,400
He called me in and he said,
"Where's the article?
452
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,360
"Have you not published it yet?"
453
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,280
And I said, "Sorry, sir,
I've not published it yet."
454
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,280
And then he just slapped me.
455
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,840
TB Joshua had a massive temper.
456
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920
You'd see people coming
and they would be like,
457
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,480
"Ooh, he's hot, hey?
He's hot. Daddy's hot."
458
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,360
And you would literally see
everybody just scatter.
459
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,080
If you didn't run,
460
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,000
you'd get an almighty big slap
around the face.
461
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,440
And I witnessed that regularly.
462
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,160
You didn't see it as physical abuse.
463
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,000
We were told, "It's an honour
to get slapped by me
464
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,600
"because I'm next to Jesus."
465
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,200
AGOMOH:
466
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Our bathroom stalls had just, like,
curtains on them.
467
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,200
And if anyone thought
you were doing anything,
468
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,920
they could just,
you know, flip the curtain.
469
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,600
AGOMOH:
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00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,400
CHANTING
471
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,480
Be healed! Heal me!
472
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,680
Be healed! Be healed!
473
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,560
I saw myself as a servant,
474
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,480
as a vessel of utter surrender
to God.
475
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
I can't describe how tired you were.
476
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Constantly exhausted.
477
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Absolutely exhausted.
478
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Because you've had two hours' sleep,
479
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,440
and you never have
more than four hours' sleep.
480
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,560
Ever.
481
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
It is nonstop.
482
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,400
It's not uncommon
to wake up at four,
483
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,000
very early in the morning,
484
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,440
to prepare those
that are coming for healing.
485
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,040
We were basically working
almost 24 hours.
486
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Disciples weren't paid.
487
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,480
You didn't have any free time.
488
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,440
Sitting around too much,
reading too much,
489
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,680
sleeping too much
was seen as a no-no.
490
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Sleep was seen as, like,
basically the greatest enemy
491
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,560
to the work of God.
492
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,000
He used to tell us things like,
"You have to pray against it.
493
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,400
"You have to battle it."
494
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,320
AGOMOH:
495
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,800
There were these pads
of white, small, like,
496
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,760
notepaper called disciple paper.
497
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,640
And that's what he used
to give permission for things.
498
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,320
You'd have to go to the office,
say, "Sir, I'm sorry.
499
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,000
"I really need to have
a quick sleep."
500
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
And he'd sign a pass for you.
501
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,320
Because if you didn't have a pass,
502
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,520
you'd get reported for sleeping.
503
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,000
BISOLA:
504
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,480
There would be times that I'd be
falling asleep like this,
505
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,560
and he would say, "Stand up."
506
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,680
And you'd literally
have to stand up.
507
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,720
And then, at times,
I would fall asleep while standing.
508
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,840
We weren't allowed to wear watches,
so our time was controlled.
509
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,080
We had to go by God's time,
510
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,720
so I didn't know
what day, month, year it was.
511
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,600
The time goes by so quickly
because every day is so similar
512
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,080
to the last.
513
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,400
You wake up and it's like,
"Oh, it's two years later," or
514
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,400
it was three years later.
515
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Before you know it, your brain
doesn't think like it used to think.
516
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:13,120
CHILDREN SING
517
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:58,120
He would just speak for hours.
518
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,080
One of my main jobs was writing down
everything he said.
519
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,200
This is almost like the Bible.
520
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,320
It's the words
that God has spoken to TB Joshua.
521
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,000
You are constantly thinking
of the quotes of TB Joshua,
522
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,040
you were encouraged to memorise
them, to chant them.
523
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,840
You are to embody those words,
524
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,280
be the words, live the words.
525
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,360
Whatever he said
HAD to come from God
526
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,040
and therefore had to be true.
527
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,720
Lack of sleep.
528
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:49,520
Cut off from your family.
529
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Living communally.
530
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,600
Not allowed to marry.
Not allowed to date.
531
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,360
One high-controlling leader
who controls everything.
532
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,280
To be brainwashed,
533
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,520
it doesn't feel like brainwashing.
534
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,240
It's like your brain
has been completely rewired.
535
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,680
It's like you've took a drug,
almost.
536
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,320
My mind was like a...
537
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,000
..like it'd been shaken.
538
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,640
There was no cognitive clarity
at all.
539
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,520
It was like all churned up,
nothing made sense.
540
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Reality was just skewed completely.
541
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,840
Down he goes again.
542
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,800
Even when something was clearly...
543
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,560
..off,
544
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,400
we couldn't see it.
545
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,680
Because you also don't sleep much,
546
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,320
you don't really have, like,
547
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,520
the cognitive ability to even begin
to question things.
548
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,560
SCREAMING
549
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,560
Huh?
550
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,080
Fasting and lack of sleep took place
before disciples' deliverances,
551
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,160
psychologically destroying us
to the point that I will do
552
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,000
whatever you say.
553
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,840
You become almost like a zombie.
554
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,680
My mind wasn't there.
555
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,360
I just wasn't there. I was...
556
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,960
It was like I was living,
but I just...
557
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,760
..my head was just somewhere else.
558
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,080
He could just manipulate you.
559
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,560
He would make you do
whatever he wanted you to do.
560
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,280
People who know how to manipulate
the mind of another person...
561
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,800
It's dangerous, it is so dangerous.
562
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,440
Hello. My name is Angelique,
and I come from South Africa.
563
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,400
My name is Rachel,
and I'm from the UK.
564
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Hi. My name is Anneka,
and I am from Great Britain.
565
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Hi. My name is Cara
and I'm an American.
566
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,840
To know Jesus Christ
is to know his power.
567
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,240
Therefore, whatever you speak to
in his name,
568
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:37,480
he will see to it that it is done.
569
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,040
This goes to show that all your
complaints are the fruit of sin.
570
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,440
You need to keep yourself safe
from sin.
571
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,840
You need to divorce
from unrighteousness
572
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,360
and need to embrace righteousness.
573
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,520
If you're born again, then...
574
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,920
..then Satan has to listen.
575
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,040
Now, that implies
that your problems...
576
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,480
ANGELIQUE, VOICEOVER: You can see
that these people are trapped
577
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,240
in another world,
578
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:08,480
just completely detached
579
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,960
from what we consider
580
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,320
the real world.
581
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,160
ANGELIQUE, ON VIDEO:
All of your crises and concerns
582
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,200
will be kicked out.
583
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,120
When I came here, I realised
that time is nothing at all.
584
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,680
It's not how long you live, but how
you live your life that counts.
585
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,240
So, to me, time -
God doesn't look at me.
586
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,520
ANNEKA, VOICEOVER: I don't recognise
myself at all.
587
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,520
I don't talk like a normal person.
588
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,960
It's like....
589
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,560
It's like I'm watching someone else.
590
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,200
You are no longer yourself
when you're there.
591
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,920
I was no longer Anneka.
592
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,560
I was a disciple of
Prophet TB Joshua.
593
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:54,520
Some visitors who came more than
once, who observed disciples,
594
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,280
did say, "Sometimes you guys
behave like a cult."
595
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,440
And I didn't know what a cult was.
596
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,400
I didn't think I was in a cult.
No-one joins a cult.
597
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,440
I'd never have joined a cult,
and I'm mad.
598
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,440
I didn't know I was doing a cult,
I thought I was joining a church.
599
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,600
All of us were just so innocent
in how we went into this thing.
600
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,880
And when I look at, like,
what he turned us into,
601
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,760
I wish it had never happened.
I wish I'd never gone there,
602
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,120
I wish I'd never...those things
had never happened,
603
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,800
and not just to me, to everybody.
604
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,640
To move forward,
605
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,280
um, to discover new oceans,
after leaving the shore behind.
606
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:39,120
I want to jump into the TV screen
and say, "You're in danger!
607
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,720
"You're in danger
and you don't know it."
608
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,160
I lost my sense of reality.
609
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,280
I became TB Joshua's puppet.
610
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,720
He pulled all the strings,
and I just danced to his tune.
611
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:53,280
He was the architect.
612
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,640
He was the god
at the centre of the whole thing.
613
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,840
Everybody worked to build
this massive structure.
614
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,080
TB Joshua was trying to create
his own empire.
615
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,840
Behind the scenes,
you've got a workforce with no pay.
616
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,440
We were a machine around him.
617
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,920
He wouldn't have been able to do it
without all the disciples.
618
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,000
But we did the actual work,
you know?
619
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,080
AGOMOH:
620
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,320
HE SPEAKS LOCAL LANGUAGE
621
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,200
BISOLA:
622
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,480
I was a disciple of TB Joshua
for ten years,
623
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,160
from 2001 to 2010.
624
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,920
I stayed in that place till 2013.
625
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,280
So what's that, 12, 13 years
that I was there? Yeah, in Lagos.
626
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,680
I was 16 or maybe even 15
when I first visited,
627
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,240
and then I stayed for 14 years.
628
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,920
It was a psychological prison.
629
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,080
We all thought we were in heaven,
but we were in hell,
630
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,520
and in hell, terrible things happen.
631
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,440
HE SHOUTS
632
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,840
You thought you were
633
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,840
in the safest place in the world,
634
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,480
and you were in the most dangerous.
635
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,440
CHEERING
636
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,040
SCREAMING
637
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,000
Each time, they would say,
"Daddy's calling you."
638
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,720
The bottom line is
you'd have to go there.
639
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,720
I thought I would take
what he did to me to the grave.
640
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,680
SCREAMING:
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