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Previously on The West Wing:
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This morning's finance report,
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$8.2 million.
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That ought to buy
a few lawn signs.
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And the lawns to go with them.
I'm just confused about
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who the viable candidate's
supposed to be
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when Russell's gone.
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We're going to win
this thing, Toby.
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JOSH:
Get in the camo gear,
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sling a 12-gauge
over your shoulder,
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get a few photos for the AP.
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With a gun?
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You were in
the Marines.
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You know how
to shoot, right?
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Yeah, a 20-millimeter chain gun,
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but it might be a little hard
on the pheasant.
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Don't you actually want
to get some votes
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in one of these states?
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SANTOS:
When was the last time
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you saw a politician answer
a question he didn't like?
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WOMAN:
You're saying
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the debate
shouldn't matter?
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SANTOS:
No, I'm saying
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the debate
should be better.
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Look, we're practically
teaching media evasion
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in kindergarten now.
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"Look, teacher, the issue's not
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"whether I pinched Dorothy
during milk-and-cookies.
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"The American people
are more concerned
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with the need for new nap mats,
and I got a six-point plan..."
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MAN:
It's the politicians
that turn them
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into pumpkin-
judging contests.
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Oh, yeah, sometimes, sure.
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But it's also the
rules of the game.
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Look, we've got
one more debate
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before this
New Hampshire primary.
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Do we really want
another joint photo-op--
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another 90-second sound bite
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followed by
a 60-second sound bite--
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another beauty pageant
without the beauty?
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I think
you're beautiful.
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Well, maybe I'm working
against myself here,
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but the Dover Herald,
they're announcing
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their debate rules
this afternoon,
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and I've been banging on them.
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Let's make it a real debate,
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a debate
where all seven Democrats
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get to cross-examine each other.
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Where we get to answer
questions, like it or not.
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You said politicians
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never answer questions
they don't like.
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So, we hook
ourselves up
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to electrodes--
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Crossfire meets
Clockwork Orange.
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I don't understand
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the wooden eggs.
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"Politics and Eggs--"
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that's the name
of the forum.
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You ever tried signing
a wooden egg?
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It's one of those annoying
Granite State traditions.
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Like the actual voting.
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Can we talk about
your speech?
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What about little wooden slices
of toast?
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At least you get traction
with your pen.
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You're doing
a modified stump.
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We beefed up
the foreign policy section
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because of these
Pakistani nuclear sales.
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The sound bites in bold.
Fine.
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Then you can sign
some little wooden
nuclear reactors.
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I think I should open
with the V.P. seal joke. Donna?
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It's a hilarious joke
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that's been hilarious
147 times, sir.
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I've never done
this forum before.
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These people were at
all the other forums.
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Next week, they'll be at
the forum on forums.
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They're almost done
with your introduction, sir.
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Okay, I'm going
to open with the
V.P. seal joke.
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Pound the foreign policy
section,
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I'm okay if you tell
knock-knock jokes.
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MAN:
...our guest
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at this morning's
Politics and Eggs,
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Vice President
Bob Russell.
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( applause )
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RUSSELL:
Thank you, Bill.
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And in case
the kitchen staff is wondering,
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I like my wooden eggs
sawed in half and scrambled.
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( warm laughter )
It is a great...
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They just announced the rules
for the Dover Herald debate.
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Don't tell me they're doing any
of this Matt Santos nonsense--
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thumb wrestling
if you misuse a statistic.
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No, pretty thumb-
free, in fact.
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RUSSELL:
...the seal of
the Vice President
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of the United
States of America,
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And I will tell you
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what I like best
about that seal.
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If you close your left eye
and squint really hard
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and tilt your head just so,
it reads a lot like
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"President of the United
States of America."
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The debate.
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Trade the launch codes
for a seltzer bottle,
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I swear
we could do vaudeville.
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This is important.
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They're putting the Vice
President of the United States
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onstage
with six also-rans.
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Believe me, this debate
isn't important.
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See, that's the thing.
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SANTOS:
And every year,
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health care reform
has been on the national agenda,
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whether we passed it
or not,
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private insurers have kept
their premium increases down.
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So, uh, yeah, it ought
to be part of the debate.
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Thanks.
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Any news on this, uh, Pakistani
nuclear sale to Nigeria?
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Pakistan's
trying to back-pedal.
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We ought to put out
some kind of statement.
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No one's asking,
but sure.
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"We need to lead
toward a world
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that's, uh, free,
prosperous, and
also nuclear-free."
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That's good.
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Second set starts at 9:00.
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I have some bad news.
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How bad?
Bad.
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The Herald's
decided to use
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the same old
phony debate rules?
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Russell and Hoynes
just made
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a huge media buyout
of Boston--
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close to 1,800
gross ratings points each.
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1,800 points?
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It's an ad war...
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or an ad apocalypse.
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I don't know where
they're getting the money,
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but we don't have it.
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We ought to just ban
TV ads altogether.
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Screw the First Amendment.
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Constitutionality aside,
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New Hampshire votes
in five days.
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The airwaves are going
to be flooded
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with Russell, Hoynes
and re-runs of I Love Lucy.
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We need to change
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the whole dynamic,
or we're finished.
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We need
a silver bullet.
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"A silver bullet."
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A TV ad
that'll vault us
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out of the second tier--
turn this campaign on its head.
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You want us
to go deeper into debt?
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No, but we
can scrape together
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enough to buy one minute
of prime time on WMUR.
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One minute against 1,800 points?
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One minute
that is
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so gutsy, so edgy, so different,
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that it'll be replayed for free
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one every newscast
in the country.
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What's the ad?
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( very softly ):
I'm working on it.
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Go on and buy that air time.
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Hi.
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Matt Santos.
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You sell a hell of a
sweater in this place.
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Anything on the debate rules?
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No interaction, no
cross-examination.
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It's everything we
didn't want, but...
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The debate's going
to be a wash anyway.
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Nobody's going to watch.
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Everyone's calling it "The
Return of the Seven Dwarves."
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Two dwarves.
Seven.
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The one with the big nose
used to give me nightmares.
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Only Hoynes and Russell
are invited.
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They're limiting it
to candidates
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polling over 20 percent.
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The Herald says
they're the only
ones that can win.
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You guys are already working
on that silver bullet, huh?
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You know, if only front-runners
can debate,
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why not just bar the rest of us
from the ballot altogether?
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I mean, if New Hampshire
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has suddenly become
the Soviet Republic,
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they might as well go
all the way.
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We're going
to get in this.
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They can't shut two thirds
of the Democratic field
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out of the debate.
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Oh, come on,
don't even call it a debate.
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What do voters learn
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from 90 seconds
of canned blather
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followed by 60 seconds
of canned blather, anyway?
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Timing, I suppose.
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Look, there's a
serious legal argument
to be made here.
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This can be seen
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as an illegal contribution
to both Hoynes and Russell.
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I know the case law.
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We get a team
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of election lawyers,
we storm
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the District Court...
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I don't want
to sue my way into this, Josh.
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Shame the Herald,
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kick up a huge
cloud of dust.
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Maybe even the District Court
stops the debate.
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I don't want
to stop it.
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I want to get in it.
Well, the publisher
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of the Herald
won't meet with us.
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I could barely get past
the copy desk.
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( sighing )
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Do you think the Vice President
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really wants to, uh,
go mano a mano with John Hoynes?
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No.
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Why elevate the number-two mano
in a crowded field?
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Maybe Russell
will meet the publisher
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of the Herald with us--
demand a full and fair debate.
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Get Will Bailey
on the phone.
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And call that post-
production shop in Nashua.
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We need them open late.
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We're going to make a TV ad.
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RUSSELL:
And I got a letter
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from an eight-year-
old girl in Portsmouth
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who said,
and I quote,
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"You are the greatest
Vice President of my time."
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( warm laughter )
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I'm not making this up.
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Thanks for your time, folks.
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Have a good day.
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A two-man debate?
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I told you
the Herald was for Hoynes.
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Tomorrow,
they'll be denouncing me
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for not giving him flyer miles
on Air Force Two.
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Josh Lyman
just called.
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Tell him he can have your job.
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Today I think
he'd take it.
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Long as he fakes my signature
on 300 wooden eggs.
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Santos wants you
to go to the Herald with him
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to say that if all seven
candidates aren't invited,
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you'll stay home and scramble
those eggs by your lonesome.
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I can't look
like I'm ducking Hoynes.
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If you stand with Santos,
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Hoynes will look like he's
ducking the whole field.
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What about
his nutty debate rules?
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We want the Seven Dwarves
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to be able
to take direct shots at me?
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You realize
you're one of the dwarves.
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There are
only seven candidates.
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Well, there must have been
a head dwarf.
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That'd be Snow White--
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not quite what
we're going for.
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Forget Santos's rules.
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He'll be grateful just
to get on that stage.
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The more dwarves
we have up there
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with the sitting
Vice President,
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the smaller John Hoynes
is going to look.
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JOSH:
Will and I choreographed
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this whole meeting.
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Okay.
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Let Russell
do the talking.
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He's the front runner.
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It should come
from him.
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Fine.
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You can bob your
head appreciatively.
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I've been thinking
about debate prep. Hi.
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You know, you were right.
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We should bring in
someone to help.
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I'll make some calls.
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I've called
someone already.
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Who'd you call?
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Someone I know
from the Hill.
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For performance stuff--
eye clicking, things like that.
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"Eye clicking"?
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Yeah, things like that.
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Mr. Lowell.
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Congressman, welcome
to the Herald.
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Mr. Vice President.
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Matt. You've
come a long way
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since House Administration.
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The Vice President and I
served together
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on the, uh, House
Administration Committee.
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Siberia of committees.
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Non-binding resolutions
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to limit the number of
non-binding resolutions.
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RUSSELL:
Hey, that one was binding.
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That must have been
some time ago.
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Yeah, I think
it was back in...
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Two years
ago, actually.
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LOWELL:
Well, I'll be frank.
We're five days
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away from the primary,
two days away from the debate.
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No offense, Congressman,
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you're not going
to be the nominee.
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How does it
serve the voters
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to clutter
up the stage?
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I'm sure Fidel Castro
would agree.
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Mackey, you're trying
to do the right thing,
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but it's downright
undemocratic.
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My lawyers tell me
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that, uh, it could be
an illegal contribution
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to the two
top campaigns.
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Without the full field, I...
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I don't think
I can participate.
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The people want another debate,
Mr. Vice President.
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I agree.
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I was thinking of having my own,
invite the full field.
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Who needs the Dover Herald?
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LOWELL:
All seven Democrats.
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Right as rain,
Mackey.
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We should also
take a minute
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to discuss format.
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These debates
can be better,
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not just bigger.
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We all saw
what happened
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in the New Jersey
Senate debates.
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LOWELL:
Are we talking
about the rules
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you proposed?
Don't we want this
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to be truly democratic,
with real back-and-forth?
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A requirement
that each candidate
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has to answer
the questions,
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not just another seven-
stump-speech collision.
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LOWELL:
Well, I'm all
for mixing it up,
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but if we proposed
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a debate like that,
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no one would agree
to it.
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00:10:42,175 --> 00:10:44,211
What do you say,
Mr. Vice President?
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A real debate,
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with all of
the candidates
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truly engaging
on the issues?
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Great.
Terrific.
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LOWELL:
I have to talk
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to my editorial board,
but, uh,
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I will take it to John Hoynes.
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Matt.
Mr. Vice President.
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SANTOS:
Thank you,
Mr. Lowell.
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Who do you think
was the jerk
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00:11:05,365 --> 00:11:07,434
who wanted to limit
non-binding resolutions?
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00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,002
That did go a bit off-plan.
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00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:11,071
I won't be a punching bag
for Hoynes and Santos
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00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:12,740
and every second-
tier welterweight
329
00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:14,207
who wants a
quick tabloid hit.
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00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:15,876
I'll call Mackey
and revisit the format.
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00:11:15,943 --> 00:11:17,745
He practically threatened
legal action in there.
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00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:19,980
I'll call him and tell him
if they're using Santos' format,
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00:11:20,047 --> 00:11:20,948
we won't debate at all.
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00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:22,282
You call him and tell him
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00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:23,817
we'll pay for the
debate ourselves--
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00:11:23,884 --> 00:11:25,685
just me and Hoynes,
Herald rules.
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00:11:25,753 --> 00:11:27,888
Then no one can say
it's an illegal
contribution to anyone.
338
00:11:27,955 --> 00:11:30,090
I didn't come here
to be a guest lecturer
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in Matt Santos' etiquette class.
340
00:11:32,259 --> 00:11:34,762
Yeah...
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00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:38,398
So they're back
to a two-man debate, thanks.
342
00:11:42,269 --> 00:11:45,238
You did push the rules business
a little hard.
343
00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:48,441
I don't know how anyone's helped
by us standing up there
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00:11:48,508 --> 00:11:50,143
spewing out poll-tested pabulum.
345
00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:51,945
We're not trying to help anyone,
we're trying to help you.
346
00:11:52,012 --> 00:11:55,015
Spoken like a true Athenian.
347
00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:57,550
So I guess we cancel
the debate prep, huh?
348
00:11:57,617 --> 00:11:59,519
No, you need
to move ahead with it.
349
00:11:59,586 --> 00:12:01,822
For a debate we're not even in.
350
00:12:01,889 --> 00:12:03,323
We have to get in.
351
00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:05,458
I got two election lawyers from
Boston working on a brief.
352
00:12:05,525 --> 00:12:07,160
You're still on this
illegal contribution jag.
353
00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:08,929
Even if Russell
paid for the event,
354
00:12:08,996 --> 00:12:10,330
he's still
using the Herald's name,
355
00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:11,598
he's getting
a mountain of free media.
356
00:12:11,664 --> 00:12:12,833
How is that
not...
357
00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:15,735
I am not
taking this to court, Josh.
358
00:12:24,111 --> 00:12:26,013
We could try
the Bob Russell thing.
359
00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:28,515
Get a bad haircut
and break ties in the Senate?
360
00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:29,983
No, hold our own debate.
361
00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:31,518
Me and my bedroom mirror.
No, I'm serious.
362
00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,486
We rent the hall
across from the main debate,
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00:12:33,553 --> 00:12:35,022
you personally invite
all the other candidates,
364
00:12:35,088 --> 00:12:37,690
we stir up the good
government groups,
365
00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,526
editorial writers,
local activists...
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00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,561
'Cause the Dover Herald
doesn't get to decide
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00:12:41,628 --> 00:12:44,664
who's a viable candidate for
the highest office in the land.
368
00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:46,499
Frank Capra, eat your heart out.
369
00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:48,201
Can we use my debate rules?
370
00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:50,037
You can use
whatever rules you want,
371
00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:51,438
just get ready to debate.
372
00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:58,578
WILL:
We're going to run this
at about 600 points.
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00:12:58,645 --> 00:13:01,181
Very effective with
swing-twos in the mall test.
374
00:13:04,151 --> 00:13:05,752
( on TV ):
I'm Bob Russell,
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00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:07,520
and I approved this ad.
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00:13:07,587 --> 00:13:09,056
NARRATOR:
In the United States Senate,
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00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:13,326
John Hoynes had
an 84% NRA voting record.
378
00:13:13,393 --> 00:13:15,762
Now he claims he'll
crack down on handguns.
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00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:17,898
As Vice President,
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00:13:17,965 --> 00:13:20,100
Hoynes praised Pakistan's
defense minister
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00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:23,203
as a bold thinker,
so bold he may now
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00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:25,738
be selling nuclear
secrets to Nigeria.
383
00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:29,176
You can't take America's side
by taking both sides.
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00:13:31,678 --> 00:13:33,013
You sure we should run this?
385
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,514
Want to see his ad
386
00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:37,217
on your Colorado mining
connections again?
387
00:13:37,284 --> 00:13:38,952
Hello?
388
00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:39,987
Matt Santos
389
00:13:40,053 --> 00:13:41,488
for the Veep.
390
00:13:42,422 --> 00:13:44,491
He's tied up.
391
00:13:44,557 --> 00:13:47,260
I still don't get why
our ads are that negative.
392
00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:48,862
I mean, of course I get it,
but we're the front-runner,
393
00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:50,330
do they have
to be that negative?
394
00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:53,000
We need to work up some Q&A
for the two-man debate.
395
00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:55,435
Want to grab
dinner later?
396
00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,604
You're...
Are you asking me to dinner?
397
00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,372
We've had dinner
four nights in a row.
398
00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,574
But you never
asked me, we just went.
399
00:14:01,641 --> 00:14:03,543
Who else am I going
to have dinner with?
400
00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:04,912
Everyone else on this campaign
401
00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:05,712
is 14 years old
and irons their blue jeans.
402
00:14:05,778 --> 00:14:06,479
Fine.
403
00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:07,780
Great.
404
00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,749
I need the one-pagers
on domestic policy, and, uh,
405
00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:13,820
NSC guidance
on Pakistan, thanks.
406
00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:17,524
So... you want to
grab dinner later?
407
00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:20,060
Sure.
408
00:14:20,127 --> 00:14:21,328
JOSH:
Just set it up
409
00:14:21,394 --> 00:14:22,829
like a real debate--
seven podiums,
410
00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:25,032
a table for the moderator,
the full drill.
411
00:14:25,098 --> 00:14:26,499
When we
get back to headquarters,
412
00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:28,535
we'll draft a statement
announcing this thing.
413
00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:29,769
We'll miss
debate prep.
414
00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:31,671
Yeah, Santos
is gonna work with a guy
415
00:14:31,738 --> 00:14:32,839
I'm bringing in from the Hill.
416
00:14:32,906 --> 00:14:34,341
Smart of you
to widen the team.
417
00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:35,608
Thanks.
418
00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,010
What we're gonna do
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00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:38,611
is start a massive
public relations crusade.
420
00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:40,013
Tonight?
421
00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,382
Yeah, do you have that
list of opinion-makers?
422
00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:43,750
Uh, yeah.
423
00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:45,518
Okay, we're gonna call every
political reporter
424
00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:47,054
in this state,
every party leader,
425
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,289
every PTA recording secretary.
426
00:14:49,356 --> 00:14:51,324
We're going to tell them
we're holding our own debate,
427
00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,360
the Herald's debate is a sham.
428
00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,528
We really believe
anyone's going
to cover our debate?
429
00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:57,530
Ours is a Trojan debate--
it's never gonna happen.
430
00:14:57,597 --> 00:14:59,199
We're going to turn
public opinion
431
00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:01,568
so they have to let us
into the main debate.
432
00:15:01,634 --> 00:15:02,635
Think that'll work?
433
00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,237
If I wanted your opinion,
434
00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:06,706
I would stick you in a focus
group in Southern Missouri.
435
00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:08,108
Let's talk
about the ad.
436
00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:09,276
I don't understand
that either.
437
00:15:09,342 --> 00:15:10,577
We're broke, okay?
438
00:15:10,643 --> 00:15:12,445
We can't afford
a huge, glitzy ad buy,
439
00:15:12,512 --> 00:15:15,482
so we run something feisty,
funny, out-of-the-box.
440
00:15:15,548 --> 00:15:19,552
Turns our one minute of prime
time into a national sensation.
441
00:15:19,619 --> 00:15:21,854
Santos on ice skates
wearing a goalie outfit
442
00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:23,290
pledging to defend America.
443
00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:25,658
Closer to the box than that.
444
00:15:25,725 --> 00:15:27,194
Well, what's the message?
445
00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:29,963
How 'bout our exclusion
from the debates,
446
00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:30,863
let's try that.
447
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:32,165
So what do we do,
448
00:15:32,232 --> 00:15:33,266
film chicken coops
and say they're
449
00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,968
too chicken
to debate us?
450
00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:37,437
I want two volunteers.
451
00:15:37,504 --> 00:15:38,972
I want them
in giant chicken suits.
452
00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,408
I want them in my office
first thing in morning.
453
00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:42,342
Chicken suits?
454
00:15:42,409 --> 00:15:43,676
You think he's
gonna like this?
455
00:15:43,743 --> 00:15:45,612
He's gonna like what
keeps him in the race.
456
00:15:45,678 --> 00:15:49,282
But let's not,
you know, tell him.
457
00:15:50,717 --> 00:15:53,153
Funny, feisty.
458
00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:58,325
Play around with the...
poultry theme.
459
00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:12,272
Hi.
460
00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:15,308
Hi.
461
00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,577
A little cold for ice cream,
isn't it?
462
00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:20,580
I mean, you could've
bought just cream.
463
00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:22,349
I embrace the cold.
464
00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:23,316
Okay.
465
00:16:23,383 --> 00:16:25,518
I luxuriate
in the cold.
466
00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:26,686
Can I ask you...
467
00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:28,088
I fight cold with more cold.
468
00:16:28,155 --> 00:16:29,556
What are you doing
in New Hampshire?
469
00:16:29,622 --> 00:16:31,424
I could ask you the same thing,
but in your case,
470
00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:33,226
it's more of an existential
question, isn't it?
471
00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:34,894
When I want dark,
depressing thoughts
472
00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:36,663
about alienation
and nothingness,
473
00:16:36,729 --> 00:16:37,897
I watch cable news.
474
00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:39,166
That's funny.
475
00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:40,567
You're funny.
476
00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:41,934
You know what's funny?
477
00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:44,237
That you didn't call me
before you gave that speech
478
00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:45,972
at the Shorenstein Center.
479
00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:47,607
I run the Women's
Majority Fund.
480
00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:49,242
I make hundreds of speeches.
481
00:16:49,309 --> 00:16:51,344
Trashing the entire
Democratic field?
482
00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:53,146
Saying we were going to lose
before we even have a nominee?
483
00:16:53,213 --> 00:16:54,447
I was throwing down a gauntlet.
484
00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,716
Where I come from,
it's called littering.
485
00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:58,118
The field's pathetic.
486
00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:00,187
Not one of them can take
the Republicans in the fall.
487
00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:02,689
I called them the Seven Dwarves
for a reason.
488
00:17:02,755 --> 00:17:04,257
I'm not going to get
into an argument
489
00:17:04,324 --> 00:17:05,925
about whether size matters.
490
00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:07,260
I'm here
in the trenches,
491
00:17:07,327 --> 00:17:08,828
running a one-man show
492
00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:10,930
and I'm sick of Democrats
eating their young.
493
00:17:10,997 --> 00:17:13,833
You wash them down with a little
Rocky Road, it's not so bad.
494
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,535
You still haven't told me
what you're doing
495
00:17:15,602 --> 00:17:16,569
in New Hampshire.
496
00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:18,338
Miss Gardner,
your room is ready.
497
00:17:18,405 --> 00:17:20,907
Simple answer is...
498
00:17:20,973 --> 00:17:22,409
I'm prepping Matt Santos
499
00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:24,244
for the debate you
haven't gotten him into.
500
00:17:24,311 --> 00:17:26,846
The existential
answer...
501
00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:29,082
is tricky stuff, Joshua.
502
00:17:36,223 --> 00:17:37,590
I want you at every Hoynes
503
00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:39,159
and every Russell event
for the next 36 hours.
504
00:17:39,226 --> 00:17:41,161
Obviously, Bob goes
to the Russell events
505
00:17:41,228 --> 00:17:43,096
and John, the Hoynes.
506
00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:45,165
You know, Bob, John.
507
00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:46,633
We're making
a serious point here.
508
00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:50,103
We're trying to turn
public opinion, so...
509
00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,272
no roughhousing,
no tearing down signs,
510
00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:55,942
no excessive flapping
of the wings...
511
00:17:56,008 --> 00:17:58,745
Don't lie about what you're
doing there, don't heckle.
512
00:17:58,811 --> 00:18:01,881
If you get the chance, you ask
humbly and respectfully,
513
00:18:01,948 --> 00:18:06,553
"Are you too chicken
to debate the full field?"
514
00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:10,657
On a personal note,
thanks for...
515
00:18:10,723 --> 00:18:11,758
you know.
516
00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:13,726
Okay.
517
00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,196
Let's go out
and get 'em, guys.
518
00:18:16,263 --> 00:18:17,697
So far, no one's
accepted our debate.
519
00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:19,699
And only the Monitor
and Post-Dispatch
520
00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:21,100
are editorializing
521
00:18:21,168 --> 00:18:22,269
against the
Herald's debate.
522
00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:23,903
Two lousy editorials,
that's it?
523
00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:25,205
We've been calling everyone.
524
00:18:25,272 --> 00:18:26,839
The nationals won't bite.
525
00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:28,341
But I stopped by our alternate
debate site and it looks great.
526
00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:30,410
Tell our Potemkin advance team
great work.
527
00:18:30,477 --> 00:18:32,912
The second they post
those editorials on-line,
528
00:18:32,979 --> 00:18:34,080
I need pull-quotes for the ad.
529
00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,348
Okay.
530
00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:36,483
I don't understand
why we're
531
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:37,284
not putting policy
in the ad.
532
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:38,418
We got great policy.
533
00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:40,153
We're trying
to get free media.
534
00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:41,588
Great policy
doesn't give goosebumps
535
00:18:41,654 --> 00:18:44,157
to bored 55-year-old
segment producers.
536
00:18:44,224 --> 00:18:45,057
As opposed to...
537
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,159
Chickens.
538
00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:47,026
It's a complicated business.
539
00:18:47,093 --> 00:18:48,628
You have no idea.
540
00:18:48,695 --> 00:18:50,297
Josh, you're not gonna believe
541
00:18:50,363 --> 00:18:51,398
who's on the phone.
542
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,166
I feel terrible
making you do this
543
00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:54,701
when I'm not even
in the debate.
544
00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,736
You're not
in the Olympics either,
545
00:18:56,803 --> 00:18:58,771
that doesn't mean you don't
do some sit-ups now and then.
546
00:18:58,838 --> 00:19:00,407
Well, you know,
you've coached
547
00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:02,975
about 50 women Congressional
candidates to debate wins,
548
00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:04,644
so there must
be some secret.
549
00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:05,878
There is.
550
00:19:05,945 --> 00:19:07,747
Always keep an extra pair
of pantyhose in your purse.
551
00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,516
After bombing
the way I did in Iowa,
552
00:19:09,582 --> 00:19:11,618
I'm not going
to rule that out.
553
00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,220
Congressman, I looked
at the tapes.
554
00:19:13,286 --> 00:19:14,587
You're great.
555
00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:16,423
You're quotable,
you're cute enough
556
00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,191
to be a Presidential-
primary pinup...
557
00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:19,826
Oh, wait until you see
my runway work.
558
00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:22,262
You don't have
the Presidential voice.
559
00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:23,430
The Presidential voice?
560
00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,097
You don't have it.
561
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:26,699
And it's a time
of global peril
562
00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:28,268
and you're going to be
sharing the stage
563
00:19:28,335 --> 00:19:30,136
with two Vice Presidents.
564
00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:31,804
Or not.
565
00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,410
Congressman, what
do you think of the
ultra-nationalist
566
00:19:37,477 --> 00:19:39,679
gains in the Russian
parliamentary elections?
567
00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,548
Well, it ain't
the Litchfield City Council,
568
00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:43,883
but Russia makes its own
choices, and in a democracy...
569
00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,452
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
570
00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:47,186
You just wrote the lamer half
of Jay Leno's monologue.
571
00:19:47,254 --> 00:19:50,223
You're not a House backbencher
trying to get a quote on CNN.
572
00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:51,258
Sobriety, understatement...
573
00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:52,259
Let the words
574
00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:53,260
carry the authority.
575
00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:54,261
The Presidential voice.
576
00:19:54,327 --> 00:19:55,595
Think filling out
577
00:19:55,662 --> 00:19:57,630
a suit, instead
of wearing bright orange...
578
00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:58,631
Pantyhose.
579
00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:00,099
I was gonna
say neckties,
580
00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,801
but what the hell.
581
00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:03,570
How's the eye-clicking.
582
00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:06,005
We're still on hosiery.
583
00:20:06,072 --> 00:20:07,139
I need the Congressman
for a minute.
584
00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:08,741
Yeah.
585
00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:09,776
Thanks, Amy.
586
00:20:11,444 --> 00:20:12,879
How's the ad?
587
00:20:12,945 --> 00:20:15,848
We'll have something
by prime time tomorrow night.
588
00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:17,717
Look, I'm sorry I didn't
tell you about Amy.
589
00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:18,618
I just got a call
590
00:20:18,685 --> 00:20:20,320
from Hoynes'
campaign manager.
591
00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:21,788
Hoynes wants
to meet with me.
592
00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,155
You think he wants us
in the main debate?
593
00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:24,457
I can't imagine why,
594
00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:26,393
but we're getting
some good editorials.
595
00:20:26,459 --> 00:20:28,928
Maybe we're making more hay
than I thought.
596
00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:30,096
You want me to come with you?
597
00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:31,464
After your soliloquy
at the Herald,
598
00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:32,932
maybe I should take
the solo this time.
599
00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:35,968
Okay.
600
00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:37,770
Say, you got a few minutes
for debate prep?
601
00:20:37,837 --> 00:20:39,472
I mean, I know
how you feel about me and...
602
00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:41,274
You should get back in there.
603
00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:48,381
You know what I'm finding about
being out on the trail again?
604
00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:49,382
What's that?
605
00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:50,950
I never stop talking.
606
00:20:51,017 --> 00:20:53,653
No, really, I'm surprised
I don't babble like an idiot
607
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,789
in the shower-- 15 stops a day,
eight speeches, five interviews.
608
00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:59,492
I could do a good 45 seconds
on your overcoat.
609
00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:00,993
Okay, but let's not...
610
00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:03,730
It's a stitch too little
and a season too late, Josh.
611
00:21:03,796 --> 00:21:04,531
You can do better.
612
00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:05,798
America can do better.
613
00:21:05,865 --> 00:21:07,634
You wanted to talk
about the debate?
614
00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:08,768
I don't.
615
00:21:08,835 --> 00:21:10,303
Why'd you return the
Congressman's call?
616
00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:11,571
I called you,
not the Congressman.
617
00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:13,172
You think I want
to tell him no?
618
00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:14,541
You know how this works.
619
00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,543
They only put me on the phone
if I get to say yes.
620
00:21:16,609 --> 00:21:19,379
I'm not gonna pretend
you don't benefit
from a two-man debate,
621
00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:20,847
but there are
already editorials
622
00:21:20,913 --> 00:21:22,382
denouncing the Herald's
decision.
623
00:21:22,449 --> 00:21:23,850
Public opinion's turning.
624
00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:25,885
You're gonna start
seeing it at your events.
625
00:21:25,952 --> 00:21:29,255
First of all, Russell's picking
up the tab, it's his decision.
626
00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:32,525
And second, the way Russell's
hammering me in these ads...
627
00:21:32,592 --> 00:21:34,561
I've gotta get him
up there one-on-one.
628
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,063
So why did you want to see me?
629
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:41,434
I want to talk about Matt
Santos's statement on Pakistan.
630
00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:44,270
You're the only one.
631
00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:46,606
"Free and nuclear-free."
632
00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:48,307
I used that exact phrase myself
633
00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:49,709
at the Merrimack Chamber.
634
00:21:49,776 --> 00:21:51,678
If we're going to work
from the same material,
635
00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:53,245
let's find some way
to coordinate.
636
00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,514
We don't want to get caught up
in a plagiarism charge.
637
00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:56,282
What are you talking about?
638
00:21:56,349 --> 00:21:57,417
Amy's memos.
Amy?
639
00:21:57,484 --> 00:21:59,185
Amy Gardner, her memos
640
00:21:59,251 --> 00:22:00,653
on the Presidential voice.
641
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,222
That's where I got
the Pakistan line.
642
00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:04,791
I assume that's
where you got it.
643
00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:06,593
Now, if we're both
going to use them,
644
00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:07,594
let's divvy them up.
645
00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:08,828
She gave you the memos.
646
00:22:08,895 --> 00:22:10,229
"Security
as the new women's issue."
647
00:22:10,296 --> 00:22:11,864
Pretty smart stuff,
don't you think?
648
00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:14,233
Yeah, that's pretty smart stuff.
649
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,935
Time's up, Josh.
650
00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:17,470
Gotta keep talking.
651
00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:24,010
NARRATOR ( on TV ):
When Bob Russell
was in Congress
652
00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:25,211
he voted for a bill
that would have raised
653
00:22:25,277 --> 00:22:26,613
gas and electric bills
654
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,416
for New Hampshire families
by as much as 13%.
655
00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:30,817
All so he could help
his supporters
656
00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:32,419
in Colorado's
big mining companies.
657
00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:33,820
That's the new
Hoynes spot?
658
00:22:33,886 --> 00:22:35,588
Hoynes approved it
right into the camera.
659
00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:37,490
You know, I fought for that
in Congress.
660
00:22:37,557 --> 00:22:39,025
We thought that if candidates
661
00:22:39,091 --> 00:22:41,561
had to look right into
the camera an approve every ad
662
00:22:41,628 --> 00:22:42,795
it would somehow raise
663
00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:44,296
the tone of
these campaigns.
664
00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:45,832
It's not working very well.
665
00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:47,400
NED:
Candidates just approve
the negative ones
666
00:22:47,467 --> 00:22:48,735
at the top,
so by the time
667
00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:50,437
they twist the knife you
forgot who stuck it in.
668
00:22:50,503 --> 00:22:52,639
...good for the Colorado
mining industry,
669
00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:54,807
but is he good
for New Hampshire?
670
00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:59,011
I'm going back the hotel
for my debate prep.
671
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,781
One of the advantages
of being Vice President,
672
00:23:01,848 --> 00:23:04,083
aside from the motorcades and
the planes and all the hoopla,
673
00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:07,920
is the honor of standing behind
the Vice Presidential seal.
674
00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:09,388
And I'll tell you what I like
675
00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,757
about the Vice Presidential
seal.
676
00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:13,626
If you close your left eye,
you squint really hard
677
00:23:13,693 --> 00:23:15,394
and you tilt your head
just so...
678
00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:18,865
Here's what's troubling me about
our debate answer on Pakistan...
679
00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:20,867
We're exploiting vague
and unverified claims
680
00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:23,135
that have been denied
by the Pakistani
and Nigerian cabinets?
681
00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:25,938
I was gonna say our 60-second
answer's more like 90.
682
00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:27,740
I know. I hate it
when clandestine
683
00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:29,909
proliferation networks
won't stay on the clock.
684
00:23:33,145 --> 00:23:37,083
( Vice President
continues speaking )
685
00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:39,652
You sure that was Advil
you gave me on the bus?
686
00:23:39,719 --> 00:23:41,220
That's a very large chicken.
687
00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:42,689
It's not the mascot.
688
00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:44,056
Aren't these guys
the Fighting Wombats?
689
00:23:44,123 --> 00:23:45,357
Warthogs.
690
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,326
We magged him.
He's clean.
691
00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:50,797
May I ask about the debate--
692
00:23:50,863 --> 00:23:52,999
why you're not willing
to have full participation?
693
00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:54,000
Are you chicken?
694
00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:55,101
I'm going in.
695
00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,003
May I ask, sir,
why you're not willing...
696
00:23:57,069 --> 00:23:58,037
Why, you're...
697
00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:02,575
You're from the Santos
campaign, aren't you?
698
00:24:02,642 --> 00:24:03,876
Yes, ma'am.
699
00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,344
Do you realize how
pathetic this is?
700
00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:06,613
Do your parents know
you're doing this?
701
00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:08,114
Pakistan could be
arming Nigeria--
702
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:09,949
a potential Muslim coup--
703
00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:11,551
and you're pulling
shaving-cream-and-balloon-style
pranks.
704
00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:12,752
If this is his idea
of democracy,
705
00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:14,020
Matt Santos belongs
706
00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:15,788
in a fraternity house
not a debate.
707
00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:18,024
Now go dip your beak
in someone else's feed.
708
00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:24,564
Tell me you're not
going to use that.
709
00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:27,233
There are whole generations
of Russians
710
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,101
who were trained by the KGB.
711
00:24:29,168 --> 00:24:30,503
Now, when the Wall fell,
712
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:31,638
they didn't all go open
pizzerias.
713
00:24:31,704 --> 00:24:32,939
Now that's not to say...
714
00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,508
AMY:
No, no, no.
Bad, bad, bad.
715
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,744
If I could pull a lever and
drop you through the floor,
716
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:38,845
I'd do it right now.
717
00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:40,479
What, my analysis
isn't right?
718
00:24:40,547 --> 00:24:41,781
Your analysis is fine.
719
00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:43,816
I don't know how to
explain this any better.
720
00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:45,384
It's not a pop quiz,
and it's not
721
00:24:45,451 --> 00:24:47,019
a late-night talk show.
722
00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:49,622
The leader of the free world
has to speak in broad concepts,
723
00:24:49,689 --> 00:24:51,824
in value statements;
"I love America,"
724
00:24:51,891 --> 00:24:54,026
"I will lead the world
towards liberty..."
725
00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,162
Oh, I don't sound
pompous enough.
726
00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:58,565
You sound like you're commenting
on events, not shaping them.
727
00:24:58,631 --> 00:24:59,699
I don't shape them, Amy.
728
00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,100
And it's not the way I think.
729
00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:02,268
Congressman,
730
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,003
the prospect of first-
strike capabilities
731
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:05,404
got to change
the way you think.
732
00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:07,674
Anything from Hoynes?
733
00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:13,913
Yeah. I need five minutes
with Amy.
734
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:16,448
Take ten.
I'm gonna call my wife.
735
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,085
Show Amy how little
I shape events.
736
00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:25,157
I'm trying to explain
the Presidential voice.
737
00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:26,525
The difference between
738
00:25:26,593 --> 00:25:28,595
leading the marketplace
and catering to it.
739
00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:30,362
The difference between,
I don't know,
740
00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:31,998
John Lennon and John Davidson,
741
00:25:32,064 --> 00:25:34,100
Sgt. Pepper and the fifth
Herman's Hermits album...
742
00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:36,168
You should have told me
you were working for Hoynes.
743
00:25:36,235 --> 00:25:38,437
I'm not working for Hoynes.
You're giving
the same one-liners
744
00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:39,706
to two campaigns.
745
00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:41,040
It was a memo.
I give it to all seven.
746
00:25:41,107 --> 00:25:42,609
I suppose your love
is a free gift
747
00:25:42,675 --> 00:25:44,076
to the Bolshevik
brothers, too.
748
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,879
Did you see the gender gap
in the last election?
749
00:25:46,946 --> 00:25:49,181
Probably not, 'cause there
pretty much wasn't one.
750
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:51,083
Yeah, and since chicks
really dig plagiarism,
751
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:52,318
this'll help.
752
00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:53,986
Security's the new
women's issue.
753
00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,354
It's why we're losing
all these races.
754
00:25:55,421 --> 00:25:56,823
People are scared and
Democrats sound like
755
00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:58,524
a bunch of think-tank
hair-twirlers.
756
00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,660
So you pick a candidate and you
help him, that's how this works.
757
00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,561
And if that candidate
doesn't win?
758
00:26:02,629 --> 00:26:04,731
What do you want,
a 90-day warranty?
I want every candidate
759
00:26:04,797 --> 00:26:06,265
to be able to take
the Republicans.
760
00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:08,300
Oh, you don't give a damn
about the candidates.
761
00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:10,202
You want...
The whole party
to be stronger,
762
00:26:10,269 --> 00:26:12,004
that's right.
We don't open
our inner-circle
763
00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,706
to dilettantes
and Earth mothers.
764
00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:15,074
Who's "we"?
765
00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:16,508
You didn't even know
I was coming.
766
00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,811
No, but I know you're leaving.
767
00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:36,929
And don't knock
Herman's Hermits.
768
00:26:36,996 --> 00:26:38,931
It's hard enough
getting on the charts.
769
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:54,080
What happened in here?
Amy practically
770
00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:57,383
knocked me over in the lobby.
771
00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,218
She's going back to Washington.
772
00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,888
You fired her?
773
00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:03,823
She's been advising
the whole field.
774
00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:06,192
Hoynes used the exact same line
on Pakistan.
775
00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:08,394
And she's brilliant, I can
understand how you'd want her,
776
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:11,030
and she's my ex-girlfriend,
so you didn't want to tell me,
777
00:27:11,097 --> 00:27:12,899
but maybe if had trusted me
for two seconds...
778
00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:14,566
I knew she
was advising everyone,
779
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:15,902
that's why I didn't tell you.
780
00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:17,804
You think I care about
your dating life?
781
00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:21,140
Okay. ( clears throat )
782
00:27:21,207 --> 00:27:23,109
Let's get back
to Politics 101--
783
00:27:23,175 --> 00:27:25,111
the object is to beat
the other guys.
784
00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:27,179
We are all getting
beaten on security.
785
00:27:27,246 --> 00:27:28,614
It's like these debate rules;
786
00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,082
if all of us were better,
787
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,284
then maybe one of us would
finally break through.
788
00:27:32,351 --> 00:27:35,221
And did I just see chickens
on CNN up in my hotel room?
789
00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:37,089
This may not be the best time
to bring this up,
790
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:38,725
but we have to get over
to the District Court.
791
00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:40,159
It closes in an hour.
792
00:27:40,226 --> 00:27:42,194
No, we're not going
to any cor-- chickens?
793
00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:44,263
I had the lawyers
finish the brief.
794
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,265
They're waiting at
the courthouse.
795
00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:48,000
Tell 'em to find
an ambulance to chase.
796
00:27:48,067 --> 00:27:50,336
In case you haven't noticed,
we're in one.
797
00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:52,271
We're hosting a debate
that nobody is coming to.
798
00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:55,607
Two lousy editorials
taking our side...
799
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:57,076
You know all this,
800
00:27:57,143 --> 00:27:58,644
why do you keep making me
have this argument?
801
00:27:58,711 --> 00:27:59,511
Because it's not the way
802
00:27:59,578 --> 00:28:00,813
I want to do things.
803
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,481
Being in a real debate
804
00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:03,482
like an actual candidate?
805
00:28:03,549 --> 00:28:04,717
I got Amy
806
00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:06,085
telling me to be more
Presidential
807
00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,486
and you want me to act like
a mob attorney.
808
00:28:07,553 --> 00:28:08,755
Okay, here's what Amy
won't tell you
809
00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:10,089
about the Presidential voice:
810
00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:13,292
you have to become President
to use it.
811
00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:24,303
I had the brief,
we were ready to go.
812
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:26,438
C.J.:
Well, I got to tell you,
if you end up canceling
813
00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:28,607
your alternate debate
because of lack of interest...
814
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:30,209
I know.
815
00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:31,911
the field just shrank to six
dwarves and a porcelain donkey.
816
00:28:31,978 --> 00:28:33,212
Collectible, though.
817
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:34,580
You should have told him
a court case
818
00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:35,681
kicks up a media storm.
819
00:28:35,748 --> 00:28:36,749
I tried. The guys has
820
00:28:36,816 --> 00:28:38,450
the P.R. instincts of Idi Amin.
821
00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:41,353
Now we're shut out of a debate
we could have been in.
822
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,756
I fired my ex-girlfriend
from a job she never had.
823
00:28:43,823 --> 00:28:47,894
Santos practically had me
battered, dipped and seasoned
824
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,863
when he saw Donna fighting
a giant chicken on CNN.
825
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:53,099
Talk about dignifying
a weak appointment.
826
00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:54,901
You don't engage a chicken.
Yeah.
827
00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,804
Didn't you teach that girl not
to engage a chicken? Though...
828
00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:00,940
I swear watching the footage, it
looks like she's going to pluck
829
00:29:01,007 --> 00:29:02,875
the feathers right off
that little cluck.
830
00:29:02,942 --> 00:29:04,643
It's the best press
we've had all week.
831
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:05,644
Got to go.
832
00:29:05,711 --> 00:29:07,279
See ya.
833
00:29:07,346 --> 00:29:09,481
RONNA:
Post production guys
worked all night, huh?
834
00:29:09,548 --> 00:29:12,051
Yeah. Did you get a working
cell number for Amy?
835
00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:13,119
Actually she called
836
00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:14,787
and left it for the Congressman,
837
00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:16,488
but made me promise
not to give it to you.
838
00:29:16,555 --> 00:29:17,556
Hey.
839
00:29:17,623 --> 00:29:20,359
Well, uh, let's see the ad.
840
00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:25,664
RUSSELL ( on TV ):
Health care costs are spiraling
out of control.
841
00:29:25,731 --> 00:29:27,166
That's something we should
talk about in the debate.
842
00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,667
NARRATOR:
Then why has Bob Russell
843
00:29:28,734 --> 00:29:30,536
refused to take part
in a real Democratic debate?
844
00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:33,372
HOYNES:
The people of New Hampshire
deserve to hear us speak
845
00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:34,706
about the issues.
846
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,675
I'm looking forward
to the debates.
847
00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:38,710
NARRATOR:
Then why won't John Hoynes
debate all his opponents?
848
00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:41,047
The Concord Monitor
calls tomorrow's debate,
849
00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:42,949
"Quite possibly
an illegal contribution
850
00:29:43,015 --> 00:29:44,550
to the Russell
and Hoynes campaigns."
851
00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,319
The Post-Dispatch says,
"A subversion of democracy."
852
00:29:47,386 --> 00:29:50,356
Or maybe they're just chicken?
853
00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:53,292
( applause )
854
00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:57,163
It's an attack ad.
855
00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:59,031
Well, they shut us out
of the debate.
856
00:29:59,098 --> 00:30:01,233
We should crawl on our knees
and thank 'em?
857
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,501
So you expect me
to look into a camera
858
00:30:02,568 --> 00:30:03,735
and say that I approve that?
859
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:05,071
We're going to put that
at the top.
860
00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:09,075
Thank you all for
all of your hard work.
861
00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:12,578
We're not running it.
862
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:35,501
Congressman...
863
00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:36,835
this is your argument.
864
00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:38,905
People deserve
a full and fair debate.
865
00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:40,572
It wasn't what I had in mind.
866
00:30:40,639 --> 00:30:43,575
What did you
have in mind?
867
00:30:43,642 --> 00:30:44,843
I don't know.
868
00:30:44,911 --> 00:30:46,112
Well, great.
869
00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:47,313
I'll... I'll call
the editing bay.
870
00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,281
Tell them we need
to overhaul the spot.
871
00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:52,084
We really have not clue, but get
it ready for broadcast tonight.
872
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:53,185
It's sketch comedy.
873
00:30:53,252 --> 00:30:54,987
It's fun.
It's feisty.
874
00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:56,322
It'll get us on the news.
875
00:30:56,388 --> 00:30:57,323
It's cheap.
876
00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:58,891
What did you expect,
the Roman Senate?
877
00:30:58,958 --> 00:31:00,259
I'm sorry,
but nobody else cares about
878
00:31:00,326 --> 00:31:02,028
your Marquis of Queensbury
rules.
879
00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:03,829
I didn't want this to
be some crank campaign
880
00:31:03,896 --> 00:31:05,898
swinging wildly at
the gates of Eden.
881
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:08,067
Well, guess what,
that's what we are.
882
00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:14,040
I like your debate rules,
Congressman, honestly I do.
883
00:31:14,106 --> 00:31:16,575
And I admire
your campaign ethics.
884
00:31:16,642 --> 00:31:18,377
But we're game players,
885
00:31:18,444 --> 00:31:19,711
not role makers.
886
00:31:19,778 --> 00:31:21,713
And if walk away
from our last chance
887
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:23,082
to make any kind of splash--
888
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:25,217
and I'm telling you,
this is our last chance--
889
00:31:25,284 --> 00:31:27,286
the only rules
we're going to need
890
00:31:27,353 --> 00:31:29,021
are for a long,
linger game
891
00:31:29,088 --> 00:31:30,556
of shuffleboard.
892
00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:31,723
We got a good ad.
893
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,192
We got a minute
of prime time
894
00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:35,194
on one of the top stations
in the state.
895
00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:37,263
You don't want to run it,
it's up to you.
896
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,479
( soft knocking )
897
00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:54,813
Do you need some time?
898
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,949
No, it's fine.
899
00:31:57,016 --> 00:31:59,818
Maybe we could run a bit
of your stump speech.
900
00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,620
Get the footage from C-SPAN.
901
00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,056
In less than two hours?
902
00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:06,525
Yeah, probably not.
903
00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:08,660
Say, did you, uh,
happen to catch
904
00:32:08,727 --> 00:32:11,497
the New Jersey Senate
debate last week?
905
00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:12,798
No, sir.
906
00:32:12,864 --> 00:32:15,534
Someone asked about the
situation in Freedonia.
907
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:16,702
And Barber said
908
00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:18,737
that he was
studying it.
909
00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:20,472
Freedonia is fake.
910
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,408
It's from a Marx Brothers movie.
911
00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,311
And there was no follow-up,
no cross-examination.
912
00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:27,980
The bigger story in
the papers the next day
913
00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:31,650
was how he slammed his opponent
for being "too liberal."
914
00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:35,321
You get into this
915
00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:40,759
thinking to yourself that you're
going to play by your own rules.
916
00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:46,932
And then, bit by bit, you chip
away at them until, uh...
917
00:32:46,999 --> 00:32:48,300
you can't even name the game.
918
00:32:52,671 --> 00:32:56,342
You were a History major over
at, uh, U.T., weren't you?
919
00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:57,909
Yes, sir.
920
00:32:57,976 --> 00:33:01,180
You think there's such a thing
as a Presidential voice?
921
00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:06,052
Always seemed to me that
the President makes the voice,
922
00:33:06,118 --> 00:33:07,519
not the other way around.
923
00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:17,996
We're going to WMUR.
924
00:33:18,064 --> 00:33:20,032
To drop off the ad?
925
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,202
( tape clatters )
926
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:25,271
I'm going to do
it live to camera.
927
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,373
Do what live to camera?
Get a room
and a laptop.
928
00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,208
We'll figure it out
when we get there.
929
00:33:29,275 --> 00:33:31,077
Call the news director.
Tell him we need a...
930
00:33:31,143 --> 00:33:32,178
A room and a laptop.
931
00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:34,513
Right. And call...
932
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:37,683
call anyone else
you think you should call.
933
00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:43,021
Congressman.
Hi.
934
00:33:43,089 --> 00:33:45,391
This way. Hey, this is
exciting stuff.
935
00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:46,858
We love live TV
around here.
936
00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:48,094
( sighs )
Yeah, me, too. Love it.
937
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,695
Is he going to talk
about Pakistan?
938
00:33:49,761 --> 00:33:51,997
Hard for a House member
to make much of that.
939
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:53,899
I don't want to
spoil the surprise.
940
00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:56,068
You'll have to
forgive the staff--
they're pretty jaded.
941
00:33:56,135 --> 00:33:59,037
They hardly look up
when the first-tier
candidates come through.
942
00:33:59,105 --> 00:34:00,672
TECHNICIAN:
15 seconds to live.
943
00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:02,708
STAGE MANAGER:
Stand by to roll VTR...
944
00:34:02,774 --> 00:34:04,710
stand by VTR audio.
945
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,980
TECHNICIAN:
Coming live
in six, five...
946
00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:10,649
STUDIO MANAGER:
And roll VTR...
947
00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,419
...four, three, two...
948
00:34:13,485 --> 00:34:14,886
SANTOS:
Good evening.
949
00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:16,522
I'm running for President.
950
00:34:16,588 --> 00:34:19,825
And if you don't know who I am,
I wouldn't be surprised.
951
00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:22,228
I've been shut out
of tomorrow night's debate
952
00:34:22,294 --> 00:34:24,596
for suggesting
that it actually be a debate,
953
00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:27,366
and this is the only ad
I can afford.
954
00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:30,969
I got in this to improve
a broken school system;
955
00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:33,572
to fix entitlements,
'cause they're going bankrupt;
956
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,442
to expand health coverage,
'cause it'll save money
957
00:34:36,508 --> 00:34:38,977
if fewer people show up
in emergency rooms.
958
00:34:39,044 --> 00:34:40,679
What I've found
959
00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:44,082
is that Presidential campaigns
aren't about these things.
960
00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:46,252
They're about clawing
your opponents' eyes out,
961
00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:48,354
so long as
you don't get tagged for it.
962
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,821
So how 'bout this:
963
00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:53,359
I will never say anything
about my opponents--
964
00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:58,130
or anything about anything--
without saying it myself,
965
00:34:58,197 --> 00:34:59,831
right into the camera.
966
00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:01,633
You might not get
to hear much of me,
967
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:06,638
but when you do,
you'll know I stand by it.
968
00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,474
I'm Matt Santos.
969
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:11,243
And you better
believe I approved this ad.
970
00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,245
( microphone bristles and pops)
971
00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,758
Hard part's clearing
your throat, really.
972
00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:31,330
Thanks.
973
00:35:31,397 --> 00:35:32,564
Bye.
974
00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:34,500
( chuckles )
975
00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:42,774
( phones ringing )
Well I honestly
don't know
976
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,477
if we could run the ad again.
It wasn't really...
977
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:47,346
( ringing continues)
I'm-I'm sorry.
978
00:35:47,413 --> 00:35:50,048
Could you hold, please?
Hello, Santos for...
979
00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:51,350
Federal limit's $2,000, ma'am.
980
00:35:51,417 --> 00:35:53,084
Could you please hold
for a second?
981
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,086
REPORTER:
John Hoynes isn't commenting
on your ad.
982
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,855
SANTOS:
And I'm not commenting
on his failure to comment.
983
00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,690
So, uh, tag-- he's it.
( reporter chuckles )
984
00:35:58,757 --> 00:36:00,726
REPORTER 2:
Are you planning to
go on TV more often?
985
00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,628
Yeah, I'm trying to get
my own game show:
986
00:36:02,694 --> 00:36:04,129
Let's Make a Country.
I'll keep you posted.
987
00:36:04,196 --> 00:36:05,431
( reporters laughing )
988
00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:07,299
I don't understand
the strategy.
989
00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:09,335
I wouldn't call it
a strategy per se.
990
00:36:09,401 --> 00:36:11,136
I mean, obviously,
we talked about it.
991
00:36:11,203 --> 00:36:12,438
Before you
wrote the ad?
992
00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:13,872
Matt Santos wrote the ad.
993
00:36:13,939 --> 00:36:15,974
C'mon, Josh, we're on
deep background here.
994
00:36:16,041 --> 00:36:17,008
Matt Santos wrote the ad.
995
00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,410
Off the record, then.
996
00:36:18,477 --> 00:36:19,611
You could put me in the
witness protection program.
997
00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:21,413
The guy wrote
his own ad, okay?
998
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,482
I will never say anything
about my opponents--
999
00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:24,983
or anything about anything--
1000
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:28,254
without saying it myself,
right into the camera.
1001
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,422
I'm Matt Santos.
1002
00:36:30,489 --> 00:36:32,190
And you better believe
I approved this ad.
1003
00:36:32,258 --> 00:36:33,925
NEWSCASTER:
It's hard to say
1004
00:36:33,992 --> 00:36:36,228
whether Congressman Matthew
Santos' minute of prime time
1005
00:36:36,295 --> 00:36:38,129
can turn
his flagging campaign around.
1006
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:41,333
But many political observers
agree that the most unusual ad,
1007
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,536
run on rival station WMUR,
raises the question:
1008
00:36:44,603 --> 00:36:46,071
If candidates mean
what they say,
1009
00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:48,106
why don't they simply
say it themselves...?
1010
00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:51,477
Look, Amy, it's...
1011
00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:53,512
really hard out there.
1012
00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:55,481
We got people lobbing grenades
1013
00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:58,016
at us from all sides.
1014
00:36:58,083 --> 00:36:59,918
Even our friends.
1015
00:36:59,985 --> 00:37:02,454
They need to know
if he can take it.
1016
00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:04,256
Even your friends.
1017
00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:05,591
NEWSCASTER 2:
...for its part,
1018
00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:07,125
the Russell campaign says
that, in fact,
1019
00:37:07,192 --> 00:37:08,794
it stands by all its ads,
1020
00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:10,696
which is why Bob Russell
appears on-screen
1021
00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:12,898
at the top of each one,
attesting to its veracity...
1022
00:37:12,964 --> 00:37:14,065
I should be calling columnists.
1023
00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,367
Don't.
1024
00:37:15,434 --> 00:37:17,102
No, we should be doing
spin-off events,
1025
00:37:17,168 --> 00:37:18,236
county by county...
Don't.
1026
00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:19,605
We should be sending
out copies of...
1027
00:37:19,671 --> 00:37:21,807
Don't! Stop!
This thing spins itself.
1028
00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:23,775
You send out copies,
they're gonna stop running it.
1029
00:37:23,842 --> 00:37:24,810
So, what do I do?
1030
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,678
Sit here.
1031
00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:51,403
NEWSCASTER:
...what Congressman Santos
1032
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:53,238
did tonight,
intentionally or not,
1033
00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:54,873
was put both the Hoynes
and Russell...
1034
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,708
What happens now?
1035
00:37:56,775 --> 00:37:57,743
Very little.
1036
00:37:57,809 --> 00:37:59,144
...on the defensive,
and defending
1037
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,612
a campaign reform law
1038
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:01,947
that hasn't done much
to clean up campaigns...
1039
00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:03,382
REPORTER:
You think it's cynical
1040
00:38:03,449 --> 00:38:04,650
that all four
of the other candidates
1041
00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:06,418
that were excluded
from the main debate
1042
00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:08,186
have now accepted your offer
to participate?
1043
00:38:08,253 --> 00:38:09,521
I don't call it cynical.
1044
00:38:09,588 --> 00:38:11,490
Yesterday this looked
like a vanity exercise.
1045
00:38:11,557 --> 00:38:13,024
I might not have
accepted it myself.
1046
00:38:13,091 --> 00:38:14,593
MSNBC's announced
they're running
1047
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:16,161
the two debates
back-to-back.
1048
00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:18,163
And I'd watch 'em,
but I'm busy that night.
1049
00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:19,230
( reporters chuckling )
1050
00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,832
RUSSELL:
This is a disaster.
1051
00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,534
We're not getting
a dime's worth of coverage
1052
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,370
of Politics and Eggs, of our
get-tough-on-Pakistan message...
1053
00:38:24,436 --> 00:38:25,637
The press loves
an underdog.
1054
00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:27,673
How many points does he have
behind this ad?
1055
00:38:27,739 --> 00:38:29,074
None. It's all
free media.
1056
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,942
Can we ramp up
our media buy?
1057
00:38:31,009 --> 00:38:32,478
I think we need to pull
some of our negatives,
1058
00:38:32,544 --> 00:38:34,045
replace them
with positives.
1059
00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:36,782
That sounds like a retreat.
National press will smell blood.
1060
00:38:36,848 --> 00:38:39,017
It's a multi-candidate field.
If the press falls in love
1061
00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:41,019
with Mr. Squeaky
Clean and we're
rolling in the mud...
1062
00:38:41,086 --> 00:38:44,423
We're leading in the polls.
How did we end up in a crouch?
1063
00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:46,692
I'm not changing my ads
because of a stunt.
1064
00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:48,660
You saw this morning's
editorials about the debate...
1065
00:38:48,727 --> 00:38:50,362
Thank God we kept him
out of it.
1066
00:38:50,429 --> 00:38:52,163
He'd have probably shown up
in a powdered wig,
1067
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:53,399
quoting from
The Federalist Papers.
1068
00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:54,500
That's right.
It's a stunt.
1069
00:38:54,566 --> 00:38:57,536
DONNA:
I disagree.
1070
00:38:57,603 --> 00:38:59,605
I don't agree,
Mr. Vice President.
1071
00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:01,640
Maybe it is a stunt,
but if it is,
1072
00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:04,676
we invited it-- by trying to
ride above the herd,
1073
00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:07,579
by treating everybody else
as if they were a herd.
1074
00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:10,215
You have to go
to Santos' debate.
1075
00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:11,950
Then Hoynes would have to go.
1076
00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:15,153
Then we're letting the chips
fall on you, on your ideas,
1077
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:17,322
not on some
Machiavellian maneuver.
1078
00:39:17,389 --> 00:39:19,925
SANTOS:
And what's the alternative?
1079
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,927
Alienating Pakistan,
which cuts off
1080
00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:25,096
our only decent source of
intelligence in that region.
1081
00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:27,799
I actually agree with
John Hoynes on this one.
1082
00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,001
We have to keep that part
of the world
1083
00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,504
free, prosperous
and also nuclear-free.
1084
00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:33,772
Chest-beating's
not gonna do it.
1085
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,340
Thanks, Congressman.
That's great.
1086
00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:36,842
Thanks, guys.
1087
00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:40,378
Where have you been?
1088
00:39:40,446 --> 00:39:42,981
I got, uh... tied up.
1089
00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:46,184
I'm fine if we want
to bring Amy back.
1090
00:39:46,251 --> 00:39:49,521
Any news?
1091
00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:52,090
Uh... ( clears throat )
1092
00:39:52,157 --> 00:39:55,627
Hoynes turned us down
for the debate again.
1093
00:39:55,694 --> 00:39:57,696
He must've been scared off
by what he saw on TV,
1094
00:39:57,763 --> 00:39:58,930
'cause at this point,
1095
00:39:58,997 --> 00:40:01,232
even raw opportunism
would suggest that...
1096
00:40:01,299 --> 00:40:02,701
Bob Russell for
the Congressman.
1097
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:06,738
Mr. Vice President.
1098
00:40:06,805 --> 00:40:08,339
Yes.
1099
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:09,975
NEWSCASTER:
...and after
Vice President Russell
1100
00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:12,310
decided to skip
today's Herald debate
1101
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,145
and join Congressman Santos,
1102
00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:17,949
the Hoynes campaign had no
choice but to do so, as well.
1103
00:40:18,016 --> 00:40:20,952
One thing's for sure:
The debate you're about to see
1104
00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:23,755
isn't the one John Hoynes
and Bob Russell wanted.
1105
00:40:23,822 --> 00:40:26,291
I thought we had
a tougher line
on means-testing.
1106
00:40:26,357 --> 00:40:29,094
You're gonna want
to save that for
the cross-examination.
1107
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,762
Right.
1108
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:32,764
...far more freewheeling
rules are sure to make
1109
00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:34,866
this seven-way
debate a must-see.
1110
00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,102
Have you ever actually closed
one eye and tilted your head
1111
00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:39,137
and looked at the Vice
Presidential seal?
1112
00:40:39,204 --> 00:40:41,707
I hate to admit it,
but yes.
1113
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,476
Really just a blurry-
looking seal, isn't it?
1114
00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:46,044
I'm thinking about closing
botheyes.
1115
00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:48,680
( sighs )
What was it you said
about front-runners?
1116
00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:50,348
Everything to lose,
nothing to win?
1117
00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:51,850
And don't forget
to tip the dealer.
1118
00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:53,418
Want to grab dinner later?
1119
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,153
Who else am I going
to have dinner with?
1120
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:57,823
...the Hoynes campaign had no
choice but to do so, as well...
1121
00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:04,596
ANNOUNCER ( voice echoing ):
Ladies and gentlemen,
1122
00:41:04,663 --> 00:41:06,097
please take your seats.
1123
00:41:06,164 --> 00:41:08,433
The debate will begin
in two-and-a-half minutes.
1124
00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,069
I'd like to remind you
that this is a live broadcast...
1125
00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:15,774
I don't know if I've
served you very well
the past few days.
1126
00:41:15,841 --> 00:41:17,909
What are you talking about?
1127
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:20,979
The ad was your idea;
so's this debate.
1128
00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:23,348
I never thought
we'd be here.
1129
00:41:23,414 --> 00:41:25,951
It's a miracle I
ordered podiums.
1130
00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:27,886
( chuckles )
1131
00:41:27,953 --> 00:41:30,756
Truth is, I can't think
of one thing I've done
1132
00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:34,425
to make this your
campaign, and not some...
1133
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:36,695
cookie-cutter beltway
hack-a-thon.
1134
00:41:36,762 --> 00:41:39,264
Oh, I can think of one:
1135
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,899
You put me in it.
1136
00:41:40,966 --> 00:41:43,101
ANNOUNCER:
...for the candidates'
responses.
1137
00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:46,838
Please reserve your applause
until the end of the debate...
1138
00:41:46,905 --> 00:41:50,676
( announcer continues
indistinctly )
1139
00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:53,278
...no flash photography
is to be used...
1140
00:41:56,114 --> 00:41:59,017
I buy you an ice cream
cone when this is over?
1141
00:41:59,084 --> 00:42:01,653
Finally, there is no food
or drink permitted...
1142
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,555
My flight's in an hour.
1143
00:42:03,622 --> 00:42:06,357
You're not gonna
stay and watch?
1144
00:42:06,424 --> 00:42:08,359
I can never stand to see
1145
00:42:08,426 --> 00:42:11,029
candidates flub
my lines, anyway.
1146
00:42:11,096 --> 00:42:13,198
Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome
1147
00:42:13,264 --> 00:42:17,235
tonight's moderator,
Alexander Thompson.
1148
00:42:17,302 --> 00:42:18,770
THOMPSON:
Welcome.
1149
00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:22,007
Thank you for joining us today
for the final debate
1150
00:42:22,073 --> 00:42:24,676
of the New Hampshire
Democratic primary.
1151
00:42:24,743 --> 00:42:27,145
( applause )
1152
00:42:30,115 --> 00:42:33,218
For the next 90 minutes,
our panel will ask questions
1153
00:42:33,284 --> 00:42:36,254
of the candidates, and all
candidates will answer,
1154
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:41,226
and all candidates
must answer before the
debate is to proceed...
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