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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,805 --> 00:00:06,074 Previously on The West Wing: 2 00:00:06,140 --> 00:00:07,508 This morning's finance report, 3 00:00:07,575 --> 00:00:08,576 $8.2 million. 4 00:00:08,642 --> 00:00:10,344 That ought to buy a few lawn signs. 5 00:00:10,411 --> 00:00:12,213 And the lawns to go with them. I'm just confused about 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,014 who the viable candidate's supposed to be 7 00:00:14,082 --> 00:00:15,683 when Russell's gone. 8 00:00:15,749 --> 00:00:17,518 We're going to win this thing, Toby. 9 00:00:18,586 --> 00:00:20,121 JOSH: Get in the camo gear, 10 00:00:20,188 --> 00:00:21,455 sling a 12-gauge over your shoulder, 11 00:00:21,522 --> 00:00:23,457 get a few photos for the AP. 12 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:24,325 With a gun? 13 00:00:24,392 --> 00:00:25,326 You were in the Marines. 14 00:00:25,393 --> 00:00:26,327 You know how to shoot, right? 15 00:00:26,394 --> 00:00:27,728 Yeah, a 20-millimeter chain gun, 16 00:00:27,795 --> 00:00:29,730 but it might be a little hard on the pheasant. 17 00:00:29,797 --> 00:00:31,665 Don't you actually want to get some votes 18 00:00:31,732 --> 00:00:32,700 in one of these states? 19 00:00:35,203 --> 00:00:37,004 SANTOS: When was the last time 20 00:00:37,071 --> 00:00:39,006 you saw a politician answer a question he didn't like? 21 00:00:39,073 --> 00:00:40,208 WOMAN: You're saying 22 00:00:40,274 --> 00:00:41,309 the debate shouldn't matter? 23 00:00:41,375 --> 00:00:42,443 SANTOS: No, I'm saying 24 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:43,944 the debate should be better. 25 00:00:44,011 --> 00:00:45,113 Look, we're practically teaching media evasion 26 00:00:45,179 --> 00:00:46,514 in kindergarten now. 27 00:00:46,580 --> 00:00:48,249 "Look, teacher, the issue's not 28 00:00:48,316 --> 00:00:50,684 "whether I pinched Dorothy during milk-and-cookies. 29 00:00:50,751 --> 00:00:52,520 "The American people are more concerned 30 00:00:52,586 --> 00:00:55,356 with the need for new nap mats, and I got a six-point plan..." 31 00:00:55,423 --> 00:00:57,125 MAN: It's the politicians that turn them 32 00:00:57,191 --> 00:00:58,359 into pumpkin- judging contests. 33 00:00:58,426 --> 00:01:00,060 Oh, yeah, sometimes, sure. 34 00:01:00,128 --> 00:01:01,629 But it's also the rules of the game. 35 00:01:01,695 --> 00:01:03,231 Look, we've got one more debate 36 00:01:03,297 --> 00:01:05,166 before this New Hampshire primary. 37 00:01:05,233 --> 00:01:07,801 Do we really want another joint photo-op-- 38 00:01:07,868 --> 00:01:10,037 another 90-second sound bite 39 00:01:10,104 --> 00:01:11,572 followed by a 60-second sound bite-- 40 00:01:11,639 --> 00:01:13,207 another beauty pageant without the beauty? 41 00:01:13,274 --> 00:01:14,608 I think you're beautiful. 42 00:01:14,675 --> 00:01:16,577 Well, maybe I'm working against myself here, 43 00:01:16,644 --> 00:01:19,113 but the Dover Herald, they're announcing 44 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:20,914 their debate rules this afternoon, 45 00:01:20,981 --> 00:01:22,183 and I've been banging on them. 46 00:01:22,250 --> 00:01:23,551 Let's make it a real debate, 47 00:01:23,617 --> 00:01:25,153 a debate where all seven Democrats 48 00:01:25,219 --> 00:01:26,720 get to cross-examine each other. 49 00:01:26,787 --> 00:01:29,590 Where we get to answer questions, like it or not. 50 00:01:29,657 --> 00:01:30,724 You said politicians 51 00:01:30,791 --> 00:01:31,892 never answer questions they don't like. 52 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:32,926 So, we hook ourselves up 53 00:01:32,993 --> 00:01:34,295 to electrodes-- 54 00:01:34,362 --> 00:01:36,797 Crossfire meets Clockwork Orange. 55 00:01:36,864 --> 00:01:37,665 I don't understand 56 00:01:37,731 --> 00:01:38,366 the wooden eggs. 57 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:39,600 "Politics and Eggs--" 58 00:01:39,667 --> 00:01:41,068 that's the name of the forum. 59 00:01:41,135 --> 00:01:42,703 You ever tried signing a wooden egg? 60 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:44,438 It's one of those annoying Granite State traditions. 61 00:01:44,505 --> 00:01:45,939 Like the actual voting. 62 00:01:46,006 --> 00:01:47,241 Can we talk about your speech? 63 00:01:47,308 --> 00:01:48,442 What about little wooden slices of toast? 64 00:01:48,509 --> 00:01:50,211 At least you get traction with your pen. 65 00:01:50,278 --> 00:01:51,545 You're doing a modified stump. 66 00:01:51,612 --> 00:01:53,314 We beefed up the foreign policy section 67 00:01:53,381 --> 00:01:54,982 because of these Pakistani nuclear sales. 68 00:01:55,048 --> 00:01:56,850 The sound bites in bold. Fine. 69 00:01:56,917 --> 00:01:58,652 Then you can sign some little wooden nuclear reactors. 70 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:01,789 I think I should open with the V.P. seal joke. Donna? 71 00:02:01,855 --> 00:02:03,090 It's a hilarious joke 72 00:02:03,157 --> 00:02:05,025 that's been hilarious 147 times, sir. 73 00:02:05,092 --> 00:02:06,394 I've never done this forum before. 74 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:08,262 These people were at all the other forums. 75 00:02:08,329 --> 00:02:10,664 Next week, they'll be at the forum on forums. 76 00:02:10,731 --> 00:02:12,466 They're almost done with your introduction, sir. 77 00:02:13,801 --> 00:02:16,103 Okay, I'm going to open with the V.P. seal joke. 78 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:17,771 Pound the foreign policy section, 79 00:02:17,838 --> 00:02:19,307 I'm okay if you tell knock-knock jokes. 80 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:20,641 MAN: ...our guest 81 00:02:20,708 --> 00:02:21,942 at this morning's Politics and Eggs, 82 00:02:22,009 --> 00:02:24,077 Vice President Bob Russell. 83 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,414 ( applause ) 84 00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:33,887 RUSSELL: Thank you, Bill. 85 00:02:33,954 --> 00:02:36,324 And in case the kitchen staff is wondering, 86 00:02:36,390 --> 00:02:38,992 I like my wooden eggs sawed in half and scrambled. 87 00:02:39,059 --> 00:02:41,829 ( warm laughter ) It is a great... 88 00:02:41,895 --> 00:02:44,198 They just announced the rules for the Dover Herald debate. 89 00:02:44,265 --> 00:02:47,100 Don't tell me they're doing any of this Matt Santos nonsense-- 90 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:48,469 thumb wrestling if you misuse a statistic. 91 00:02:48,536 --> 00:02:49,937 No, pretty thumb- free, in fact. 92 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:51,372 RUSSELL: ...the seal of the Vice President 93 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:52,273 of the United States of America, 94 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:53,541 And I will tell you 95 00:02:53,607 --> 00:02:55,008 what I like best about that seal. 96 00:02:55,075 --> 00:02:59,413 If you close your left eye and squint really hard 97 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,716 and tilt your head just so, it reads a lot like 98 00:03:02,783 --> 00:03:04,552 "President of the United States of America." 99 00:03:04,618 --> 00:03:06,153 The debate. 100 00:03:06,220 --> 00:03:07,688 Trade the launch codes for a seltzer bottle, 101 00:03:07,755 --> 00:03:09,056 I swear we could do vaudeville. 102 00:03:09,122 --> 00:03:10,591 This is important. 103 00:03:10,658 --> 00:03:12,059 They're putting the Vice President of the United States 104 00:03:12,125 --> 00:03:13,494 onstage with six also-rans. 105 00:03:13,561 --> 00:03:15,162 Believe me, this debate isn't important. 106 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:16,997 See, that's the thing. 107 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:18,432 SANTOS: And every year, 108 00:03:18,499 --> 00:03:20,501 health care reform has been on the national agenda, 109 00:03:20,568 --> 00:03:22,102 whether we passed it or not, 110 00:03:22,169 --> 00:03:25,473 private insurers have kept their premium increases down. 111 00:03:25,539 --> 00:03:28,609 So, uh, yeah, it ought to be part of the debate. 112 00:03:28,676 --> 00:03:30,311 Thanks. 113 00:03:32,413 --> 00:03:37,418 Any news on this, uh, Pakistani nuclear sale to Nigeria? 114 00:03:37,485 --> 00:03:38,886 Pakistan's trying to back-pedal. 115 00:03:38,952 --> 00:03:40,721 We ought to put out some kind of statement. 116 00:03:40,788 --> 00:03:44,592 No one's asking, but sure. 117 00:03:44,658 --> 00:03:46,760 "We need to lead toward a world 118 00:03:46,827 --> 00:03:51,131 that's, uh, free, prosperous, and also nuclear-free." 119 00:03:51,198 --> 00:03:52,366 That's good. 120 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:54,001 Second set starts at 9:00. 121 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:55,369 I have some bad news. 122 00:03:55,436 --> 00:03:57,271 How bad? Bad. 123 00:03:57,338 --> 00:03:58,472 The Herald's decided to use 124 00:03:58,539 --> 00:03:59,540 the same old phony debate rules? 125 00:03:59,607 --> 00:04:00,708 Russell and Hoynes just made 126 00:04:00,774 --> 00:04:02,410 a huge media buyout of Boston-- 127 00:04:02,476 --> 00:04:05,713 close to 1,800 gross ratings points each. 128 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:07,014 1,800 points? 129 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,115 It's an ad war... 130 00:04:08,181 --> 00:04:09,950 or an ad apocalypse. 131 00:04:10,017 --> 00:04:11,585 I don't know where they're getting the money, 132 00:04:11,652 --> 00:04:12,753 but we don't have it. 133 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:15,022 We ought to just ban TV ads altogether. 134 00:04:15,088 --> 00:04:16,256 Screw the First Amendment. 135 00:04:16,324 --> 00:04:18,058 Constitutionality aside, 136 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:20,193 New Hampshire votes in five days. 137 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:21,662 The airwaves are going to be flooded 138 00:04:21,729 --> 00:04:23,697 with Russell, Hoynes and re-runs of I Love Lucy. 139 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:24,832 We need to change 140 00:04:24,898 --> 00:04:26,900 the whole dynamic, or we're finished. 141 00:04:26,967 --> 00:04:28,168 We need a silver bullet. 142 00:04:28,235 --> 00:04:29,269 "A silver bullet." 143 00:04:29,337 --> 00:04:30,771 A TV ad that'll vault us 144 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:33,206 out of the second tier-- turn this campaign on its head. 145 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:34,442 You want us to go deeper into debt? 146 00:04:34,508 --> 00:04:35,809 No, but we can scrape together 147 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:38,211 enough to buy one minute of prime time on WMUR. 148 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:40,147 One minute against 1,800 points? 149 00:04:40,213 --> 00:04:41,382 One minute that is 150 00:04:41,449 --> 00:04:44,752 so gutsy, so edgy, so different, 151 00:04:44,818 --> 00:04:46,654 that it'll be replayed for free 152 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,988 one every newscast in the country. 153 00:04:48,055 --> 00:04:49,390 What's the ad? 154 00:04:49,457 --> 00:04:51,492 ( very softly ): I'm working on it. 155 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:55,596 Go on and buy that air time. 156 00:04:55,663 --> 00:04:56,764 Hi. 157 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:58,432 Matt Santos. 158 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:00,434 You sell a hell of a sweater in this place. 159 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:01,969 Anything on the debate rules? 160 00:05:02,035 --> 00:05:04,071 No interaction, no cross-examination. 161 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:05,806 It's everything we didn't want, but... 162 00:05:05,873 --> 00:05:07,408 The debate's going to be a wash anyway. 163 00:05:07,475 --> 00:05:08,976 Nobody's going to watch. 164 00:05:09,042 --> 00:05:11,311 Everyone's calling it "The Return of the Seven Dwarves." 165 00:05:11,379 --> 00:05:12,946 Two dwarves. Seven. 166 00:05:13,013 --> 00:05:15,182 The one with the big nose used to give me nightmares. 167 00:05:15,248 --> 00:05:16,684 Only Hoynes and Russell are invited. 168 00:05:16,750 --> 00:05:18,085 They're limiting it to candidates 169 00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:19,953 polling over 20 percent. 170 00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:22,690 The Herald says they're the only ones that can win. 171 00:05:22,756 --> 00:05:25,693 You guys are already working on that silver bullet, huh? 172 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,278 You know, if only front-runners can debate, 173 00:06:18,345 --> 00:06:21,281 why not just bar the rest of us from the ballot altogether? 174 00:06:21,348 --> 00:06:22,616 I mean, if New Hampshire 175 00:06:22,683 --> 00:06:24,384 has suddenly become the Soviet Republic, 176 00:06:24,452 --> 00:06:25,719 they might as well go all the way. 177 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:27,254 We're going to get in this. 178 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,156 They can't shut two thirds of the Democratic field 179 00:06:29,222 --> 00:06:30,424 out of the debate. 180 00:06:30,491 --> 00:06:32,292 Oh, come on, don't even call it a debate. 181 00:06:32,359 --> 00:06:33,393 What do voters learn 182 00:06:33,461 --> 00:06:35,863 from 90 seconds of canned blather 183 00:06:35,929 --> 00:06:38,365 followed by 60 seconds of canned blather, anyway? 184 00:06:38,432 --> 00:06:39,933 Timing, I suppose. 185 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,036 Look, there's a serious legal argument to be made here. 186 00:06:43,103 --> 00:06:44,638 This can be seen 187 00:06:44,705 --> 00:06:47,174 as an illegal contribution to both Hoynes and Russell. 188 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,776 I know the case law. 189 00:06:48,842 --> 00:06:49,643 We get a team 190 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:51,378 of election lawyers, we storm 191 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:52,813 the District Court... 192 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,314 I don't want to sue my way into this, Josh. 193 00:06:54,381 --> 00:06:55,315 Shame the Herald, 194 00:06:55,382 --> 00:06:56,784 kick up a huge cloud of dust. 195 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:59,052 Maybe even the District Court stops the debate. 196 00:06:59,119 --> 00:07:00,253 I don't want to stop it. 197 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,522 I want to get in it. Well, the publisher 198 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:02,823 of the Herald won't meet with us. 199 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:04,558 I could barely get past the copy desk. 200 00:07:07,661 --> 00:07:09,497 ( sighing ) 201 00:07:12,132 --> 00:07:13,534 Do you think the Vice President 202 00:07:13,601 --> 00:07:17,270 really wants to, uh, go mano a mano with John Hoynes? 203 00:07:17,337 --> 00:07:20,574 No. 204 00:07:20,641 --> 00:07:23,611 Why elevate the number-two mano in a crowded field? 205 00:07:23,677 --> 00:07:26,046 Maybe Russell will meet the publisher 206 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:29,750 of the Herald with us-- demand a full and fair debate. 207 00:07:32,385 --> 00:07:34,922 Get Will Bailey on the phone. 208 00:07:34,988 --> 00:07:40,260 And call that post- production shop in Nashua. 209 00:07:40,327 --> 00:07:42,262 We need them open late. 210 00:07:42,329 --> 00:07:44,097 We're going to make a TV ad. 211 00:07:44,164 --> 00:07:45,332 RUSSELL: And I got a letter 212 00:07:45,398 --> 00:07:47,267 from an eight-year- old girl in Portsmouth 213 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:48,769 who said, and I quote, 214 00:07:48,836 --> 00:07:51,338 "You are the greatest Vice President of my time." 215 00:07:51,404 --> 00:07:52,339 ( warm laughter ) 216 00:07:52,405 --> 00:07:54,341 I'm not making this up. 217 00:07:54,407 --> 00:07:55,843 Thanks for your time, folks. 218 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,511 Have a good day. 219 00:07:59,246 --> 00:08:01,081 A two-man debate? 220 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:03,050 I told you the Herald was for Hoynes. 221 00:08:03,116 --> 00:08:04,785 Tomorrow, they'll be denouncing me 222 00:08:04,852 --> 00:08:07,287 for not giving him flyer miles on Air Force Two. 223 00:08:07,354 --> 00:08:08,388 Josh Lyman just called. 224 00:08:08,455 --> 00:08:09,923 Tell him he can have your job. 225 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:11,424 Today I think he'd take it. 226 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:13,727 Long as he fakes my signature on 300 wooden eggs. 227 00:08:13,794 --> 00:08:15,963 Santos wants you to go to the Herald with him 228 00:08:16,029 --> 00:08:17,898 to say that if all seven candidates aren't invited, 229 00:08:17,965 --> 00:08:20,200 you'll stay home and scramble those eggs by your lonesome. 230 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:22,202 I can't look like I'm ducking Hoynes. 231 00:08:22,269 --> 00:08:23,737 If you stand with Santos, 232 00:08:23,804 --> 00:08:25,372 Hoynes will look like he's ducking the whole field. 233 00:08:25,438 --> 00:08:27,207 What about his nutty debate rules? 234 00:08:27,274 --> 00:08:28,508 We want the Seven Dwarves 235 00:08:28,576 --> 00:08:30,110 to be able to take direct shots at me? 236 00:08:30,177 --> 00:08:31,712 You realize you're one of the dwarves. 237 00:08:31,779 --> 00:08:33,113 There are only seven candidates. 238 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:34,948 Well, there must have been a head dwarf. 239 00:08:35,015 --> 00:08:36,349 That'd be Snow White-- 240 00:08:36,416 --> 00:08:37,417 not quite what we're going for. 241 00:08:37,484 --> 00:08:38,919 Forget Santos's rules. 242 00:08:38,986 --> 00:08:40,654 He'll be grateful just to get on that stage. 243 00:08:40,721 --> 00:08:42,289 The more dwarves we have up there 244 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:43,891 with the sitting Vice President, 245 00:08:43,957 --> 00:08:45,726 the smaller John Hoynes is going to look. 246 00:08:45,793 --> 00:08:47,127 JOSH: Will and I choreographed 247 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:48,128 this whole meeting. 248 00:08:48,195 --> 00:08:49,462 Okay. 249 00:08:49,529 --> 00:08:50,430 Let Russell do the talking. 250 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:51,599 He's the front runner. 251 00:08:51,665 --> 00:08:52,532 It should come from him. 252 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:53,667 Fine. 253 00:08:53,734 --> 00:08:55,803 You can bob your head appreciatively. 254 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:58,538 I've been thinking about debate prep. Hi. 255 00:08:58,606 --> 00:08:59,640 You know, you were right. 256 00:08:59,707 --> 00:09:01,441 We should bring in someone to help. 257 00:09:01,508 --> 00:09:02,509 I'll make some calls. 258 00:09:02,576 --> 00:09:03,677 I've called someone already. 259 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:04,745 Who'd you call? 260 00:09:04,812 --> 00:09:06,213 Someone I know from the Hill. 261 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:08,616 For performance stuff-- eye clicking, things like that. 262 00:09:08,682 --> 00:09:09,783 "Eye clicking"? 263 00:09:09,850 --> 00:09:11,118 Yeah, things like that. 264 00:09:16,624 --> 00:09:17,725 Mr. Lowell. 265 00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:19,226 Congressman, welcome to the Herald. 266 00:09:19,292 --> 00:09:20,427 Mr. Vice President. 267 00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:21,428 Matt. You've come a long way 268 00:09:21,494 --> 00:09:23,530 since House Administration. 269 00:09:23,597 --> 00:09:25,232 The Vice President and I served together 270 00:09:25,298 --> 00:09:27,200 on the, uh, House Administration Committee. 271 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:28,636 Siberia of committees. 272 00:09:28,702 --> 00:09:29,937 Non-binding resolutions 273 00:09:30,003 --> 00:09:31,705 to limit the number of non-binding resolutions. 274 00:09:31,772 --> 00:09:33,140 RUSSELL: Hey, that one was binding. 275 00:09:33,206 --> 00:09:34,541 That must have been some time ago. 276 00:09:34,608 --> 00:09:35,709 Yeah, I think it was back in... 277 00:09:35,776 --> 00:09:37,210 Two years ago, actually. 278 00:09:37,277 --> 00:09:40,313 LOWELL: Well, I'll be frank. We're five days 279 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:42,616 away from the primary, two days away from the debate. 280 00:09:42,683 --> 00:09:43,851 No offense, Congressman, 281 00:09:43,917 --> 00:09:44,985 you're not going to be the nominee. 282 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:46,954 How does it serve the voters 283 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:48,121 to clutter up the stage? 284 00:09:48,188 --> 00:09:51,024 I'm sure Fidel Castro would agree. 285 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:53,026 Mackey, you're trying to do the right thing, 286 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,095 but it's downright undemocratic. 287 00:09:55,162 --> 00:09:56,363 My lawyers tell me 288 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:58,365 that, uh, it could be an illegal contribution 289 00:09:58,431 --> 00:09:59,900 to the two top campaigns. 290 00:09:59,967 --> 00:10:02,535 Without the full field, I... 291 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:04,004 I don't think I can participate. 292 00:10:04,071 --> 00:10:06,573 The people want another debate, Mr. Vice President. 293 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,075 I agree. 294 00:10:08,141 --> 00:10:11,912 I was thinking of having my own, invite the full field. 295 00:10:11,979 --> 00:10:13,781 Who needs the Dover Herald? 296 00:10:13,847 --> 00:10:16,750 LOWELL: All seven Democrats. 297 00:10:16,817 --> 00:10:18,585 Right as rain, Mackey. 298 00:10:18,652 --> 00:10:19,887 We should also take a minute 299 00:10:19,953 --> 00:10:21,521 to discuss format. 300 00:10:21,588 --> 00:10:22,289 These debates can be better, 301 00:10:22,355 --> 00:10:23,390 not just bigger. 302 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:24,624 We all saw what happened 303 00:10:24,692 --> 00:10:26,059 in the New Jersey Senate debates. 304 00:10:26,126 --> 00:10:27,427 LOWELL: Are we talking about the rules 305 00:10:27,494 --> 00:10:29,262 you proposed? Don't we want this 306 00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:31,298 to be truly democratic, with real back-and-forth? 307 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:33,000 A requirement that each candidate 308 00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:34,467 has to answer the questions, 309 00:10:34,534 --> 00:10:37,004 not just another seven- stump-speech collision. 310 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:38,605 LOWELL: Well, I'm all for mixing it up, 311 00:10:38,672 --> 00:10:39,606 but if we proposed 312 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:40,841 a debate like that, 313 00:10:40,908 --> 00:10:42,109 no one would agree to it. 314 00:10:42,175 --> 00:10:44,211 What do you say, Mr. Vice President? 315 00:10:44,277 --> 00:10:45,445 A real debate, 316 00:10:45,512 --> 00:10:46,947 with all of the candidates 317 00:10:47,014 --> 00:10:50,450 truly engaging on the issues? 318 00:10:50,517 --> 00:10:52,285 Great. Terrific. 319 00:10:52,352 --> 00:10:53,120 LOWELL: I have to talk 320 00:10:53,186 --> 00:10:55,522 to my editorial board, but, uh, 321 00:10:55,588 --> 00:10:56,724 I will take it to John Hoynes. 322 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:59,626 Matt. Mr. Vice President. 323 00:10:59,693 --> 00:11:03,931 SANTOS: Thank you, Mr. Lowell. 324 00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:05,298 Who do you think was the jerk 325 00:11:05,365 --> 00:11:07,434 who wanted to limit non-binding resolutions? 326 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,002 That did go a bit off-plan. 327 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:11,071 I won't be a punching bag for Hoynes and Santos 328 00:11:11,138 --> 00:11:12,740 and every second- tier welterweight 329 00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:14,207 who wants a quick tabloid hit. 330 00:11:14,274 --> 00:11:15,876 I'll call Mackey and revisit the format. 331 00:11:15,943 --> 00:11:17,745 He practically threatened legal action in there. 332 00:11:17,811 --> 00:11:19,980 I'll call him and tell him if they're using Santos' format, 333 00:11:20,047 --> 00:11:20,948 we won't debate at all. 334 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:22,282 You call him and tell him 335 00:11:22,349 --> 00:11:23,817 we'll pay for the debate ourselves-- 336 00:11:23,884 --> 00:11:25,685 just me and Hoynes, Herald rules. 337 00:11:25,753 --> 00:11:27,888 Then no one can say it's an illegal contribution to anyone. 338 00:11:27,955 --> 00:11:30,090 I didn't come here to be a guest lecturer 339 00:11:30,157 --> 00:11:32,192 in Matt Santos' etiquette class. 340 00:11:32,259 --> 00:11:34,762 Yeah... 341 00:11:34,828 --> 00:11:38,398 So they're back to a two-man debate, thanks. 342 00:11:42,269 --> 00:11:45,238 You did push the rules business a little hard. 343 00:11:45,305 --> 00:11:48,441 I don't know how anyone's helped by us standing up there 344 00:11:48,508 --> 00:11:50,143 spewing out poll-tested pabulum. 345 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:51,945 We're not trying to help anyone, we're trying to help you. 346 00:11:52,012 --> 00:11:55,015 Spoken like a true Athenian. 347 00:11:55,082 --> 00:11:57,550 So I guess we cancel the debate prep, huh? 348 00:11:57,617 --> 00:11:59,519 No, you need to move ahead with it. 349 00:11:59,586 --> 00:12:01,822 For a debate we're not even in. 350 00:12:01,889 --> 00:12:03,323 We have to get in. 351 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:05,458 I got two election lawyers from Boston working on a brief. 352 00:12:05,525 --> 00:12:07,160 You're still on this illegal contribution jag. 353 00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:08,929 Even if Russell paid for the event, 354 00:12:08,996 --> 00:12:10,330 he's still using the Herald's name, 355 00:12:10,397 --> 00:12:11,598 he's getting a mountain of free media. 356 00:12:11,664 --> 00:12:12,833 How is that not... 357 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:15,735 I am not taking this to court, Josh. 358 00:12:24,111 --> 00:12:26,013 We could try the Bob Russell thing. 359 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:28,515 Get a bad haircut and break ties in the Senate? 360 00:12:28,581 --> 00:12:29,983 No, hold our own debate. 361 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:31,518 Me and my bedroom mirror. No, I'm serious. 362 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:33,486 We rent the hall across from the main debate, 363 00:12:33,553 --> 00:12:35,022 you personally invite all the other candidates, 364 00:12:35,088 --> 00:12:37,690 we stir up the good government groups, 365 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,526 editorial writers, local activists... 366 00:12:39,592 --> 00:12:41,561 'Cause the Dover Herald doesn't get to decide 367 00:12:41,628 --> 00:12:44,664 who's a viable candidate for the highest office in the land. 368 00:12:44,731 --> 00:12:46,499 Frank Capra, eat your heart out. 369 00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:48,201 Can we use my debate rules? 370 00:12:48,268 --> 00:12:50,037 You can use whatever rules you want, 371 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:51,438 just get ready to debate. 372 00:12:56,309 --> 00:12:58,578 WILL: We're going to run this at about 600 points. 373 00:12:58,645 --> 00:13:01,181 Very effective with swing-twos in the mall test. 374 00:13:04,151 --> 00:13:05,752 ( on TV ): I'm Bob Russell, 375 00:13:05,819 --> 00:13:07,520 and I approved this ad. 376 00:13:07,587 --> 00:13:09,056 NARRATOR: In the United States Senate, 377 00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:13,326 John Hoynes had an 84% NRA voting record. 378 00:13:13,393 --> 00:13:15,762 Now he claims he'll crack down on handguns. 379 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:17,898 As Vice President, 380 00:13:17,965 --> 00:13:20,100 Hoynes praised Pakistan's defense minister 381 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:23,203 as a bold thinker, so bold he may now 382 00:13:23,270 --> 00:13:25,738 be selling nuclear secrets to Nigeria. 383 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:29,176 You can't take America's side by taking both sides. 384 00:13:31,678 --> 00:13:33,013 You sure we should run this? 385 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,514 Want to see his ad 386 00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:37,217 on your Colorado mining connections again? 387 00:13:37,284 --> 00:13:38,952 Hello? 388 00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:39,987 Matt Santos 389 00:13:40,053 --> 00:13:41,488 for the Veep. 390 00:13:42,422 --> 00:13:44,491 He's tied up. 391 00:13:44,557 --> 00:13:47,260 I still don't get why our ads are that negative. 392 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:48,862 I mean, of course I get it, but we're the front-runner, 393 00:13:48,929 --> 00:13:50,330 do they have to be that negative? 394 00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:53,000 We need to work up some Q&A for the two-man debate. 395 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:55,435 Want to grab dinner later? 396 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,604 You're... Are you asking me to dinner? 397 00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,372 We've had dinner four nights in a row. 398 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,574 But you never asked me, we just went. 399 00:14:01,641 --> 00:14:03,543 Who else am I going to have dinner with? 400 00:14:03,610 --> 00:14:04,912 Everyone else on this campaign 401 00:14:04,978 --> 00:14:05,712 is 14 years old and irons their blue jeans. 402 00:14:05,778 --> 00:14:06,479 Fine. 403 00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:07,780 Great. 404 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,749 I need the one-pagers on domestic policy, and, uh, 405 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:13,820 NSC guidance on Pakistan, thanks. 406 00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:17,524 So... you want to grab dinner later? 407 00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:20,060 Sure. 408 00:14:20,127 --> 00:14:21,328 JOSH: Just set it up 409 00:14:21,394 --> 00:14:22,829 like a real debate-- seven podiums, 410 00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:25,032 a table for the moderator, the full drill. 411 00:14:25,098 --> 00:14:26,499 When we get back to headquarters, 412 00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:28,535 we'll draft a statement announcing this thing. 413 00:14:28,601 --> 00:14:29,769 We'll miss debate prep. 414 00:14:29,836 --> 00:14:31,671 Yeah, Santos is gonna work with a guy 415 00:14:31,738 --> 00:14:32,839 I'm bringing in from the Hill. 416 00:14:32,906 --> 00:14:34,341 Smart of you to widen the team. 417 00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:35,608 Thanks. 418 00:14:35,675 --> 00:14:37,010 What we're gonna do 419 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:38,611 is start a massive public relations crusade. 420 00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:40,013 Tonight? 421 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,382 Yeah, do you have that list of opinion-makers? 422 00:14:42,449 --> 00:14:43,750 Uh, yeah. 423 00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:45,518 Okay, we're gonna call every political reporter 424 00:14:45,585 --> 00:14:47,054 in this state, every party leader, 425 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,289 every PTA recording secretary. 426 00:14:49,356 --> 00:14:51,324 We're going to tell them we're holding our own debate, 427 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:53,360 the Herald's debate is a sham. 428 00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,528 We really believe anyone's going to cover our debate? 429 00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:57,530 Ours is a Trojan debate-- it's never gonna happen. 430 00:14:57,597 --> 00:14:59,199 We're going to turn public opinion 431 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:01,568 so they have to let us into the main debate. 432 00:15:01,634 --> 00:15:02,635 Think that'll work? 433 00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,237 If I wanted your opinion, 434 00:15:04,304 --> 00:15:06,706 I would stick you in a focus group in Southern Missouri. 435 00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:08,108 Let's talk about the ad. 436 00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:09,276 I don't understand that either. 437 00:15:09,342 --> 00:15:10,577 We're broke, okay? 438 00:15:10,643 --> 00:15:12,445 We can't afford a huge, glitzy ad buy, 439 00:15:12,512 --> 00:15:15,482 so we run something feisty, funny, out-of-the-box. 440 00:15:15,548 --> 00:15:19,552 Turns our one minute of prime time into a national sensation. 441 00:15:19,619 --> 00:15:21,854 Santos on ice skates wearing a goalie outfit 442 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:23,290 pledging to defend America. 443 00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:25,658 Closer to the box than that. 444 00:15:25,725 --> 00:15:27,194 Well, what's the message? 445 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:29,963 How 'bout our exclusion from the debates, 446 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:30,863 let's try that. 447 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:32,165 So what do we do, 448 00:15:32,232 --> 00:15:33,266 film chicken coops and say they're 449 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,968 too chicken to debate us? 450 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:37,437 I want two volunteers. 451 00:15:37,504 --> 00:15:38,972 I want them in giant chicken suits. 452 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,408 I want them in my office first thing in morning. 453 00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:42,342 Chicken suits? 454 00:15:42,409 --> 00:15:43,676 You think he's gonna like this? 455 00:15:43,743 --> 00:15:45,612 He's gonna like what keeps him in the race. 456 00:15:45,678 --> 00:15:49,282 But let's not, you know, tell him. 457 00:15:50,717 --> 00:15:53,153 Funny, feisty. 458 00:15:54,988 --> 00:15:58,325 Play around with the... poultry theme. 459 00:16:10,637 --> 00:16:12,272 Hi. 460 00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:15,308 Hi. 461 00:16:15,375 --> 00:16:17,577 A little cold for ice cream, isn't it? 462 00:16:17,644 --> 00:16:20,580 I mean, you could've bought just cream. 463 00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:22,349 I embrace the cold. 464 00:16:22,415 --> 00:16:23,316 Okay. 465 00:16:23,383 --> 00:16:25,518 I luxuriate in the cold. 466 00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:26,686 Can I ask you... 467 00:16:26,753 --> 00:16:28,088 I fight cold with more cold. 468 00:16:28,155 --> 00:16:29,556 What are you doing in New Hampshire? 469 00:16:29,622 --> 00:16:31,424 I could ask you the same thing, but in your case, 470 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:33,226 it's more of an existential question, isn't it? 471 00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:34,894 When I want dark, depressing thoughts 472 00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:36,663 about alienation and nothingness, 473 00:16:36,729 --> 00:16:37,897 I watch cable news. 474 00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:39,166 That's funny. 475 00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:40,567 You're funny. 476 00:16:40,633 --> 00:16:41,934 You know what's funny? 477 00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:44,237 That you didn't call me before you gave that speech 478 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:45,972 at the Shorenstein Center. 479 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:47,607 I run the Women's Majority Fund. 480 00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:49,242 I make hundreds of speeches. 481 00:16:49,309 --> 00:16:51,344 Trashing the entire Democratic field? 482 00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:53,146 Saying we were going to lose before we even have a nominee? 483 00:16:53,213 --> 00:16:54,447 I was throwing down a gauntlet. 484 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:56,716 Where I come from, it's called littering. 485 00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:58,118 The field's pathetic. 486 00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:00,187 Not one of them can take the Republicans in the fall. 487 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:02,689 I called them the Seven Dwarves for a reason. 488 00:17:02,755 --> 00:17:04,257 I'm not going to get into an argument 489 00:17:04,324 --> 00:17:05,925 about whether size matters. 490 00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:07,260 I'm here in the trenches, 491 00:17:07,327 --> 00:17:08,828 running a one-man show 492 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:10,930 and I'm sick of Democrats eating their young. 493 00:17:10,997 --> 00:17:13,833 You wash them down with a little Rocky Road, it's not so bad. 494 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,535 You still haven't told me what you're doing 495 00:17:15,602 --> 00:17:16,569 in New Hampshire. 496 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:18,338 Miss Gardner, your room is ready. 497 00:17:18,405 --> 00:17:20,907 Simple answer is... 498 00:17:20,973 --> 00:17:22,409 I'm prepping Matt Santos 499 00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:24,244 for the debate you haven't gotten him into. 500 00:17:24,311 --> 00:17:26,846 The existential answer... 501 00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:29,082 is tricky stuff, Joshua. 502 00:17:36,223 --> 00:17:37,590 I want you at every Hoynes 503 00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:39,159 and every Russell event for the next 36 hours. 504 00:17:39,226 --> 00:17:41,161 Obviously, Bob goes to the Russell events 505 00:17:41,228 --> 00:17:43,096 and John, the Hoynes. 506 00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:45,165 You know, Bob, John. 507 00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:46,633 We're making a serious point here. 508 00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:50,103 We're trying to turn public opinion, so... 509 00:17:50,170 --> 00:17:52,272 no roughhousing, no tearing down signs, 510 00:17:52,339 --> 00:17:55,942 no excessive flapping of the wings... 511 00:17:56,008 --> 00:17:58,745 Don't lie about what you're doing there, don't heckle. 512 00:17:58,811 --> 00:18:01,881 If you get the chance, you ask humbly and respectfully, 513 00:18:01,948 --> 00:18:06,553 "Are you too chicken to debate the full field?" 514 00:18:06,619 --> 00:18:10,657 On a personal note, thanks for... 515 00:18:10,723 --> 00:18:11,758 you know. 516 00:18:12,659 --> 00:18:13,726 Okay. 517 00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:16,196 Let's go out and get 'em, guys. 518 00:18:16,263 --> 00:18:17,697 So far, no one's accepted our debate. 519 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:19,699 And only the Monitor and Post-Dispatch 520 00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:21,100 are editorializing 521 00:18:21,168 --> 00:18:22,269 against the Herald's debate. 522 00:18:22,335 --> 00:18:23,903 Two lousy editorials, that's it? 523 00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:25,205 We've been calling everyone. 524 00:18:25,272 --> 00:18:26,839 The nationals won't bite. 525 00:18:26,906 --> 00:18:28,341 But I stopped by our alternate debate site and it looks great. 526 00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:30,410 Tell our Potemkin advance team great work. 527 00:18:30,477 --> 00:18:32,912 The second they post those editorials on-line, 528 00:18:32,979 --> 00:18:34,080 I need pull-quotes for the ad. 529 00:18:34,147 --> 00:18:35,348 Okay. 530 00:18:35,415 --> 00:18:36,483 I don't understand why we're 531 00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:37,284 not putting policy in the ad. 532 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:38,418 We got great policy. 533 00:18:38,485 --> 00:18:40,153 We're trying to get free media. 534 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:41,588 Great policy doesn't give goosebumps 535 00:18:41,654 --> 00:18:44,157 to bored 55-year-old segment producers. 536 00:18:44,224 --> 00:18:45,057 As opposed to... 537 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:46,159 Chickens. 538 00:18:46,226 --> 00:18:47,026 It's a complicated business. 539 00:18:47,093 --> 00:18:48,628 You have no idea. 540 00:18:48,695 --> 00:18:50,297 Josh, you're not gonna believe 541 00:18:50,363 --> 00:18:51,398 who's on the phone. 542 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,166 I feel terrible making you do this 543 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:54,701 when I'm not even in the debate. 544 00:18:54,767 --> 00:18:56,736 You're not in the Olympics either, 545 00:18:56,803 --> 00:18:58,771 that doesn't mean you don't do some sit-ups now and then. 546 00:18:58,838 --> 00:19:00,407 Well, you know, you've coached 547 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:02,975 about 50 women Congressional candidates to debate wins, 548 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:04,644 so there must be some secret. 549 00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:05,878 There is. 550 00:19:05,945 --> 00:19:07,747 Always keep an extra pair of pantyhose in your purse. 551 00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,516 After bombing the way I did in Iowa, 552 00:19:09,582 --> 00:19:11,618 I'm not going to rule that out. 553 00:19:11,684 --> 00:19:13,220 Congressman, I looked at the tapes. 554 00:19:13,286 --> 00:19:14,587 You're great. 555 00:19:14,654 --> 00:19:16,423 You're quotable, you're cute enough 556 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,191 to be a Presidential- primary pinup... 557 00:19:18,258 --> 00:19:19,826 Oh, wait until you see my runway work. 558 00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:22,262 You don't have the Presidential voice. 559 00:19:22,329 --> 00:19:23,430 The Presidential voice? 560 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,097 You don't have it. 561 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:26,699 And it's a time of global peril 562 00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:28,268 and you're going to be sharing the stage 563 00:19:28,335 --> 00:19:30,136 with two Vice Presidents. 564 00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:31,804 Or not. 565 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,410 Congressman, what do you think of the ultra-nationalist 566 00:19:37,477 --> 00:19:39,679 gains in the Russian parliamentary elections? 567 00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:41,548 Well, it ain't the Litchfield City Council, 568 00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:43,883 but Russia makes its own choices, and in a democracy... 569 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,452 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 570 00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:47,186 You just wrote the lamer half of Jay Leno's monologue. 571 00:19:47,254 --> 00:19:50,223 You're not a House backbencher trying to get a quote on CNN. 572 00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:51,258 Sobriety, understatement... 573 00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:52,259 Let the words 574 00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:53,260 carry the authority. 575 00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:54,261 The Presidential voice. 576 00:19:54,327 --> 00:19:55,595 Think filling out 577 00:19:55,662 --> 00:19:57,630 a suit, instead of wearing bright orange... 578 00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:58,631 Pantyhose. 579 00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:00,099 I was gonna say neckties, 580 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,801 but what the hell. 581 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:03,570 How's the eye-clicking. 582 00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:06,005 We're still on hosiery. 583 00:20:06,072 --> 00:20:07,139 I need the Congressman for a minute. 584 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:08,741 Yeah. 585 00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:09,776 Thanks, Amy. 586 00:20:11,444 --> 00:20:12,879 How's the ad? 587 00:20:12,945 --> 00:20:15,848 We'll have something by prime time tomorrow night. 588 00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:17,717 Look, I'm sorry I didn't tell you about Amy. 589 00:20:17,784 --> 00:20:18,618 I just got a call 590 00:20:18,685 --> 00:20:20,320 from Hoynes' campaign manager. 591 00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:21,788 Hoynes wants to meet with me. 592 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,155 You think he wants us in the main debate? 593 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:24,457 I can't imagine why, 594 00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:26,393 but we're getting some good editorials. 595 00:20:26,459 --> 00:20:28,928 Maybe we're making more hay than I thought. 596 00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:30,096 You want me to come with you? 597 00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:31,464 After your soliloquy at the Herald, 598 00:20:31,531 --> 00:20:32,932 maybe I should take the solo this time. 599 00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:35,968 Okay. 600 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:37,770 Say, you got a few minutes for debate prep? 601 00:20:37,837 --> 00:20:39,472 I mean, I know how you feel about me and... 602 00:20:39,539 --> 00:20:41,274 You should get back in there. 603 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:48,381 You know what I'm finding about being out on the trail again? 604 00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:49,382 What's that? 605 00:20:49,449 --> 00:20:50,950 I never stop talking. 606 00:20:51,017 --> 00:20:53,653 No, really, I'm surprised I don't babble like an idiot 607 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,789 in the shower-- 15 stops a day, eight speeches, five interviews. 608 00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:59,492 I could do a good 45 seconds on your overcoat. 609 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:00,993 Okay, but let's not... 610 00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:03,730 It's a stitch too little and a season too late, Josh. 611 00:21:03,796 --> 00:21:04,531 You can do better. 612 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:05,798 America can do better. 613 00:21:05,865 --> 00:21:07,634 You wanted to talk about the debate? 614 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:08,768 I don't. 615 00:21:08,835 --> 00:21:10,303 Why'd you return the Congressman's call? 616 00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:11,571 I called you, not the Congressman. 617 00:21:11,638 --> 00:21:13,172 You think I want to tell him no? 618 00:21:13,239 --> 00:21:14,541 You know how this works. 619 00:21:14,607 --> 00:21:16,543 They only put me on the phone if I get to say yes. 620 00:21:16,609 --> 00:21:19,379 I'm not gonna pretend you don't benefit from a two-man debate, 621 00:21:19,446 --> 00:21:20,847 but there are already editorials 622 00:21:20,913 --> 00:21:22,382 denouncing the Herald's decision. 623 00:21:22,449 --> 00:21:23,850 Public opinion's turning. 624 00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:25,885 You're gonna start seeing it at your events. 625 00:21:25,952 --> 00:21:29,255 First of all, Russell's picking up the tab, it's his decision. 626 00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:32,525 And second, the way Russell's hammering me in these ads... 627 00:21:32,592 --> 00:21:34,561 I've gotta get him up there one-on-one. 628 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,063 So why did you want to see me? 629 00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:41,434 I want to talk about Matt Santos's statement on Pakistan. 630 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:44,270 You're the only one. 631 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:46,606 "Free and nuclear-free." 632 00:21:46,673 --> 00:21:48,307 I used that exact phrase myself 633 00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:49,709 at the Merrimack Chamber. 634 00:21:49,776 --> 00:21:51,678 If we're going to work from the same material, 635 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:53,245 let's find some way to coordinate. 636 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,514 We don't want to get caught up in a plagiarism charge. 637 00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:56,282 What are you talking about? 638 00:21:56,349 --> 00:21:57,417 Amy's memos. Amy? 639 00:21:57,484 --> 00:21:59,185 Amy Gardner, her memos 640 00:21:59,251 --> 00:22:00,653 on the Presidential voice. 641 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,222 That's where I got the Pakistan line. 642 00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:04,791 I assume that's where you got it. 643 00:22:04,857 --> 00:22:06,593 Now, if we're both going to use them, 644 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:07,594 let's divvy them up. 645 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:08,828 She gave you the memos. 646 00:22:08,895 --> 00:22:10,229 "Security as the new women's issue." 647 00:22:10,296 --> 00:22:11,864 Pretty smart stuff, don't you think? 648 00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:14,233 Yeah, that's pretty smart stuff. 649 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,935 Time's up, Josh. 650 00:22:16,002 --> 00:22:17,470 Gotta keep talking. 651 00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:24,010 NARRATOR ( on TV ): When Bob Russell was in Congress 652 00:22:24,076 --> 00:22:25,211 he voted for a bill that would have raised 653 00:22:25,277 --> 00:22:26,613 gas and electric bills 654 00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,416 for New Hampshire families by as much as 13%. 655 00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:30,817 All so he could help his supporters 656 00:22:30,883 --> 00:22:32,419 in Colorado's big mining companies. 657 00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:33,820 That's the new Hoynes spot? 658 00:22:33,886 --> 00:22:35,588 Hoynes approved it right into the camera. 659 00:22:35,655 --> 00:22:37,490 You know, I fought for that in Congress. 660 00:22:37,557 --> 00:22:39,025 We thought that if candidates 661 00:22:39,091 --> 00:22:41,561 had to look right into the camera an approve every ad 662 00:22:41,628 --> 00:22:42,795 it would somehow raise 663 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:44,296 the tone of these campaigns. 664 00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:45,832 It's not working very well. 665 00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:47,400 NED: Candidates just approve the negative ones 666 00:22:47,467 --> 00:22:48,735 at the top, so by the time 667 00:22:48,801 --> 00:22:50,437 they twist the knife you forgot who stuck it in. 668 00:22:50,503 --> 00:22:52,639 ...good for the Colorado mining industry, 669 00:22:52,705 --> 00:22:54,807 but is he good for New Hampshire? 670 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:59,011 I'm going back the hotel for my debate prep. 671 00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,781 One of the advantages of being Vice President, 672 00:23:01,848 --> 00:23:04,083 aside from the motorcades and the planes and all the hoopla, 673 00:23:04,150 --> 00:23:07,920 is the honor of standing behind the Vice Presidential seal. 674 00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:09,388 And I'll tell you what I like 675 00:23:09,456 --> 00:23:10,757 about the Vice Presidential seal. 676 00:23:10,823 --> 00:23:13,626 If you close your left eye, you squint really hard 677 00:23:13,693 --> 00:23:15,394 and you tilt your head just so... 678 00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:18,865 Here's what's troubling me about our debate answer on Pakistan... 679 00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:20,867 We're exploiting vague and unverified claims 680 00:23:20,933 --> 00:23:23,135 that have been denied by the Pakistani and Nigerian cabinets? 681 00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:25,938 I was gonna say our 60-second answer's more like 90. 682 00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:27,740 I know. I hate it when clandestine 683 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:29,909 proliferation networks won't stay on the clock. 684 00:23:33,145 --> 00:23:37,083 ( Vice President continues speaking ) 685 00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:39,652 You sure that was Advil you gave me on the bus? 686 00:23:39,719 --> 00:23:41,220 That's a very large chicken. 687 00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:42,689 It's not the mascot. 688 00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:44,056 Aren't these guys the Fighting Wombats? 689 00:23:44,123 --> 00:23:45,357 Warthogs. 690 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,326 We magged him. He's clean. 691 00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:50,797 May I ask about the debate-- 692 00:23:50,863 --> 00:23:52,999 why you're not willing to have full participation? 693 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:54,000 Are you chicken? 694 00:23:54,066 --> 00:23:55,101 I'm going in. 695 00:23:55,167 --> 00:23:57,003 May I ask, sir, why you're not willing... 696 00:23:57,069 --> 00:23:58,037 Why, you're... 697 00:24:00,873 --> 00:24:02,575 You're from the Santos campaign, aren't you? 698 00:24:02,642 --> 00:24:03,876 Yes, ma'am. 699 00:24:03,943 --> 00:24:05,344 Do you realize how pathetic this is? 700 00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:06,613 Do your parents know you're doing this? 701 00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:08,114 Pakistan could be arming Nigeria-- 702 00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:09,949 a potential Muslim coup-- 703 00:24:10,016 --> 00:24:11,551 and you're pulling shaving-cream-and-balloon-style pranks. 704 00:24:11,618 --> 00:24:12,752 If this is his idea of democracy, 705 00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:14,020 Matt Santos belongs 706 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:15,788 in a fraternity house not a debate. 707 00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:18,024 Now go dip your beak in someone else's feed. 708 00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:24,564 Tell me you're not going to use that. 709 00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:27,233 There are whole generations of Russians 710 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,101 who were trained by the KGB. 711 00:24:29,168 --> 00:24:30,503 Now, when the Wall fell, 712 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:31,638 they didn't all go open pizzerias. 713 00:24:31,704 --> 00:24:32,939 Now that's not to say... 714 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:35,508 AMY: No, no, no. Bad, bad, bad. 715 00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:37,744 If I could pull a lever and drop you through the floor, 716 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:38,845 I'd do it right now. 717 00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:40,479 What, my analysis isn't right? 718 00:24:40,547 --> 00:24:41,781 Your analysis is fine. 719 00:24:41,848 --> 00:24:43,816 I don't know how to explain this any better. 720 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:45,384 It's not a pop quiz, and it's not 721 00:24:45,451 --> 00:24:47,019 a late-night talk show. 722 00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:49,622 The leader of the free world has to speak in broad concepts, 723 00:24:49,689 --> 00:24:51,824 in value statements; "I love America," 724 00:24:51,891 --> 00:24:54,026 "I will lead the world towards liberty..." 725 00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,162 Oh, I don't sound pompous enough. 726 00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:58,565 You sound like you're commenting on events, not shaping them. 727 00:24:58,631 --> 00:24:59,699 I don't shape them, Amy. 728 00:24:59,766 --> 00:25:01,100 And it's not the way I think. 729 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:02,268 Congressman, 730 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,003 the prospect of first- strike capabilities 731 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:05,404 got to change the way you think. 732 00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:07,674 Anything from Hoynes? 733 00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:13,913 Yeah. I need five minutes with Amy. 734 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:16,448 Take ten. I'm gonna call my wife. 735 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,085 Show Amy how little I shape events. 736 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:25,157 I'm trying to explain the Presidential voice. 737 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:26,525 The difference between 738 00:25:26,593 --> 00:25:28,595 leading the marketplace and catering to it. 739 00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:30,362 The difference between, I don't know, 740 00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:31,998 John Lennon and John Davidson, 741 00:25:32,064 --> 00:25:34,100 Sgt. Pepper and the fifth Herman's Hermits album... 742 00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:36,168 You should have told me you were working for Hoynes. 743 00:25:36,235 --> 00:25:38,437 I'm not working for Hoynes. You're giving the same one-liners 744 00:25:38,504 --> 00:25:39,706 to two campaigns. 745 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:41,040 It was a memo. I give it to all seven. 746 00:25:41,107 --> 00:25:42,609 I suppose your love is a free gift 747 00:25:42,675 --> 00:25:44,076 to the Bolshevik brothers, too. 748 00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:46,879 Did you see the gender gap in the last election? 749 00:25:46,946 --> 00:25:49,181 Probably not, 'cause there pretty much wasn't one. 750 00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:51,083 Yeah, and since chicks really dig plagiarism, 751 00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:52,318 this'll help. 752 00:25:52,384 --> 00:25:53,986 Security's the new women's issue. 753 00:25:54,053 --> 00:25:55,354 It's why we're losing all these races. 754 00:25:55,421 --> 00:25:56,823 People are scared and Democrats sound like 755 00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:58,524 a bunch of think-tank hair-twirlers. 756 00:25:58,591 --> 00:26:00,660 So you pick a candidate and you help him, that's how this works. 757 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,561 And if that candidate doesn't win? 758 00:26:02,629 --> 00:26:04,731 What do you want, a 90-day warranty? I want every candidate 759 00:26:04,797 --> 00:26:06,265 to be able to take the Republicans. 760 00:26:06,332 --> 00:26:08,300 Oh, you don't give a damn about the candidates. 761 00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:10,202 You want... The whole party to be stronger, 762 00:26:10,269 --> 00:26:12,004 that's right. We don't open our inner-circle 763 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:13,706 to dilettantes and Earth mothers. 764 00:26:13,773 --> 00:26:15,074 Who's "we"? 765 00:26:15,141 --> 00:26:16,508 You didn't even know I was coming. 766 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,811 No, but I know you're leaving. 767 00:26:34,994 --> 00:26:36,929 And don't knock Herman's Hermits. 768 00:26:36,996 --> 00:26:38,931 It's hard enough getting on the charts. 769 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:54,080 What happened in here? Amy practically 770 00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:57,383 knocked me over in the lobby. 771 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,218 She's going back to Washington. 772 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,888 You fired her? 773 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:03,823 She's been advising the whole field. 774 00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:06,192 Hoynes used the exact same line on Pakistan. 775 00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:08,394 And she's brilliant, I can understand how you'd want her, 776 00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:11,030 and she's my ex-girlfriend, so you didn't want to tell me, 777 00:27:11,097 --> 00:27:12,899 but maybe if had trusted me for two seconds... 778 00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:14,566 I knew she was advising everyone, 779 00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:15,902 that's why I didn't tell you. 780 00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:17,804 You think I care about your dating life? 781 00:27:19,772 --> 00:27:21,140 Okay. ( clears throat ) 782 00:27:21,207 --> 00:27:23,109 Let's get back to Politics 101-- 783 00:27:23,175 --> 00:27:25,111 the object is to beat the other guys. 784 00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:27,179 We are all getting beaten on security. 785 00:27:27,246 --> 00:27:28,614 It's like these debate rules; 786 00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:30,082 if all of us were better, 787 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,284 then maybe one of us would finally break through. 788 00:27:32,351 --> 00:27:35,221 And did I just see chickens on CNN up in my hotel room? 789 00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:37,089 This may not be the best time to bring this up, 790 00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:38,725 but we have to get over to the District Court. 791 00:27:38,791 --> 00:27:40,159 It closes in an hour. 792 00:27:40,226 --> 00:27:42,194 No, we're not going to any cor-- chickens? 793 00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:44,263 I had the lawyers finish the brief. 794 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,265 They're waiting at the courthouse. 795 00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:48,000 Tell 'em to find an ambulance to chase. 796 00:27:48,067 --> 00:27:50,336 In case you haven't noticed, we're in one. 797 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:52,271 We're hosting a debate that nobody is coming to. 798 00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:55,607 Two lousy editorials taking our side... 799 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:57,076 You know all this, 800 00:27:57,143 --> 00:27:58,644 why do you keep making me have this argument? 801 00:27:58,711 --> 00:27:59,511 Because it's not the way 802 00:27:59,578 --> 00:28:00,813 I want to do things. 803 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,481 Being in a real debate 804 00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:03,482 like an actual candidate? 805 00:28:03,549 --> 00:28:04,717 I got Amy 806 00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:06,085 telling me to be more Presidential 807 00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:07,486 and you want me to act like a mob attorney. 808 00:28:07,553 --> 00:28:08,755 Okay, here's what Amy won't tell you 809 00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:10,089 about the Presidential voice: 810 00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:13,292 you have to become President to use it. 811 00:28:22,634 --> 00:28:24,303 I had the brief, we were ready to go. 812 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:26,438 C.J.: Well, I got to tell you, if you end up canceling 813 00:28:26,505 --> 00:28:28,607 your alternate debate because of lack of interest... 814 00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:30,209 I know. 815 00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:31,911 the field just shrank to six dwarves and a porcelain donkey. 816 00:28:31,978 --> 00:28:33,212 Collectible, though. 817 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:34,580 You should have told him a court case 818 00:28:34,646 --> 00:28:35,681 kicks up a media storm. 819 00:28:35,748 --> 00:28:36,749 I tried. The guys has 820 00:28:36,816 --> 00:28:38,450 the P.R. instincts of Idi Amin. 821 00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:41,353 Now we're shut out of a debate we could have been in. 822 00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:43,756 I fired my ex-girlfriend from a job she never had. 823 00:28:43,823 --> 00:28:47,894 Santos practically had me battered, dipped and seasoned 824 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,863 when he saw Donna fighting a giant chicken on CNN. 825 00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:53,099 Talk about dignifying a weak appointment. 826 00:28:53,165 --> 00:28:54,901 You don't engage a chicken. Yeah. 827 00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,804 Didn't you teach that girl not to engage a chicken? Though... 828 00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:00,940 I swear watching the footage, it looks like she's going to pluck 829 00:29:01,007 --> 00:29:02,875 the feathers right off that little cluck. 830 00:29:02,942 --> 00:29:04,643 It's the best press we've had all week. 831 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:05,644 Got to go. 832 00:29:05,711 --> 00:29:07,279 See ya. 833 00:29:07,346 --> 00:29:09,481 RONNA: Post production guys worked all night, huh? 834 00:29:09,548 --> 00:29:12,051 Yeah. Did you get a working cell number for Amy? 835 00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:13,119 Actually she called 836 00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:14,787 and left it for the Congressman, 837 00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:16,488 but made me promise not to give it to you. 838 00:29:16,555 --> 00:29:17,556 Hey. 839 00:29:17,623 --> 00:29:20,359 Well, uh, let's see the ad. 840 00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:25,664 RUSSELL ( on TV ): Health care costs are spiraling out of control. 841 00:29:25,731 --> 00:29:27,166 That's something we should talk about in the debate. 842 00:29:27,233 --> 00:29:28,667 NARRATOR: Then why has Bob Russell 843 00:29:28,734 --> 00:29:30,536 refused to take part in a real Democratic debate? 844 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:33,372 HOYNES: The people of New Hampshire deserve to hear us speak 845 00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:34,706 about the issues. 846 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,675 I'm looking forward to the debates. 847 00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:38,710 NARRATOR: Then why won't John Hoynes debate all his opponents? 848 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:41,047 The Concord Monitor calls tomorrow's debate, 849 00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:42,949 "Quite possibly an illegal contribution 850 00:29:43,015 --> 00:29:44,550 to the Russell and Hoynes campaigns." 851 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,319 The Post-Dispatch says, "A subversion of democracy." 852 00:29:47,386 --> 00:29:50,356 Or maybe they're just chicken? 853 00:29:50,422 --> 00:29:53,292 ( applause ) 854 00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:57,163 It's an attack ad. 855 00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:59,031 Well, they shut us out of the debate. 856 00:29:59,098 --> 00:30:01,233 We should crawl on our knees and thank 'em? 857 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,501 So you expect me to look into a camera 858 00:30:02,568 --> 00:30:03,735 and say that I approve that? 859 00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:05,071 We're going to put that at the top. 860 00:30:05,137 --> 00:30:09,075 Thank you all for all of your hard work. 861 00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:12,578 We're not running it. 862 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:35,501 Congressman... 863 00:30:35,567 --> 00:30:36,835 this is your argument. 864 00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:38,905 People deserve a full and fair debate. 865 00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:40,572 It wasn't what I had in mind. 866 00:30:40,639 --> 00:30:43,575 What did you have in mind? 867 00:30:43,642 --> 00:30:44,843 I don't know. 868 00:30:44,911 --> 00:30:46,112 Well, great. 869 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:47,313 I'll... I'll call the editing bay. 870 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:49,281 Tell them we need to overhaul the spot. 871 00:30:49,348 --> 00:30:52,084 We really have not clue, but get it ready for broadcast tonight. 872 00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:53,185 It's sketch comedy. 873 00:30:53,252 --> 00:30:54,987 It's fun. It's feisty. 874 00:30:55,054 --> 00:30:56,322 It'll get us on the news. 875 00:30:56,388 --> 00:30:57,323 It's cheap. 876 00:30:57,389 --> 00:30:58,891 What did you expect, the Roman Senate? 877 00:30:58,958 --> 00:31:00,259 I'm sorry, but nobody else cares about 878 00:31:00,326 --> 00:31:02,028 your Marquis of Queensbury rules. 879 00:31:02,094 --> 00:31:03,829 I didn't want this to be some crank campaign 880 00:31:03,896 --> 00:31:05,898 swinging wildly at the gates of Eden. 881 00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:08,067 Well, guess what, that's what we are. 882 00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:14,040 I like your debate rules, Congressman, honestly I do. 883 00:31:14,106 --> 00:31:16,575 And I admire your campaign ethics. 884 00:31:16,642 --> 00:31:18,377 But we're game players, 885 00:31:18,444 --> 00:31:19,711 not role makers. 886 00:31:19,778 --> 00:31:21,713 And if walk away from our last chance 887 00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:23,082 to make any kind of splash-- 888 00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:25,217 and I'm telling you, this is our last chance-- 889 00:31:25,284 --> 00:31:27,286 the only rules we're going to need 890 00:31:27,353 --> 00:31:29,021 are for a long, linger game 891 00:31:29,088 --> 00:31:30,556 of shuffleboard. 892 00:31:30,622 --> 00:31:31,723 We got a good ad. 893 00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,192 We got a minute of prime time 894 00:31:33,259 --> 00:31:35,194 on one of the top stations in the state. 895 00:31:35,261 --> 00:31:37,263 You don't want to run it, it's up to you. 896 00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,479 ( soft knocking ) 897 00:31:53,545 --> 00:31:54,813 Do you need some time? 898 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,949 No, it's fine. 899 00:31:57,016 --> 00:31:59,818 Maybe we could run a bit of your stump speech. 900 00:31:59,885 --> 00:32:01,620 Get the footage from C-SPAN. 901 00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,056 In less than two hours? 902 00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:06,525 Yeah, probably not. 903 00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:08,660 Say, did you, uh, happen to catch 904 00:32:08,727 --> 00:32:11,497 the New Jersey Senate debate last week? 905 00:32:11,563 --> 00:32:12,798 No, sir. 906 00:32:12,864 --> 00:32:15,534 Someone asked about the situation in Freedonia. 907 00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:16,702 And Barber said 908 00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:18,737 that he was studying it. 909 00:32:18,804 --> 00:32:20,472 Freedonia is fake. 910 00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:22,408 It's from a Marx Brothers movie. 911 00:32:22,474 --> 00:32:25,311 And there was no follow-up, no cross-examination. 912 00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:27,980 The bigger story in the papers the next day 913 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:31,650 was how he slammed his opponent for being "too liberal." 914 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:35,321 You get into this 915 00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:40,759 thinking to yourself that you're going to play by your own rules. 916 00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:46,932 And then, bit by bit, you chip away at them until, uh... 917 00:32:46,999 --> 00:32:48,300 you can't even name the game. 918 00:32:52,671 --> 00:32:56,342 You were a History major over at, uh, U.T., weren't you? 919 00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:57,909 Yes, sir. 920 00:32:57,976 --> 00:33:01,180 You think there's such a thing as a Presidential voice? 921 00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:06,052 Always seemed to me that the President makes the voice, 922 00:33:06,118 --> 00:33:07,519 not the other way around. 923 00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:17,996 We're going to WMUR. 924 00:33:18,064 --> 00:33:20,032 To drop off the ad? 925 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,202 ( tape clatters ) 926 00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:25,271 I'm going to do it live to camera. 927 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,373 Do what live to camera? Get a room and a laptop. 928 00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,208 We'll figure it out when we get there. 929 00:33:29,275 --> 00:33:31,077 Call the news director. Tell him we need a... 930 00:33:31,143 --> 00:33:32,178 A room and a laptop. 931 00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:34,513 Right. And call... 932 00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:37,683 call anyone else you think you should call. 933 00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:43,021 Congressman. Hi. 934 00:33:43,089 --> 00:33:45,391 This way. Hey, this is exciting stuff. 935 00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:46,858 We love live TV around here. 936 00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:48,094 ( sighs ) Yeah, me, too. Love it. 937 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,695 Is he going to talk about Pakistan? 938 00:33:49,761 --> 00:33:51,997 Hard for a House member to make much of that. 939 00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:53,899 I don't want to spoil the surprise. 940 00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:56,068 You'll have to forgive the staff-- they're pretty jaded. 941 00:33:56,135 --> 00:33:59,037 They hardly look up when the first-tier candidates come through. 942 00:33:59,105 --> 00:34:00,672 TECHNICIAN: 15 seconds to live. 943 00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:02,708 STAGE MANAGER: Stand by to roll VTR... 944 00:34:02,774 --> 00:34:04,710 stand by VTR audio. 945 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:08,980 TECHNICIAN: Coming live in six, five... 946 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:10,649 STUDIO MANAGER: And roll VTR... 947 00:34:10,716 --> 00:34:13,419 ...four, three, two... 948 00:34:13,485 --> 00:34:14,886 SANTOS: Good evening. 949 00:34:14,953 --> 00:34:16,522 I'm running for President. 950 00:34:16,588 --> 00:34:19,825 And if you don't know who I am, I wouldn't be surprised. 951 00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:22,228 I've been shut out of tomorrow night's debate 952 00:34:22,294 --> 00:34:24,596 for suggesting that it actually be a debate, 953 00:34:24,663 --> 00:34:27,366 and this is the only ad I can afford. 954 00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:30,969 I got in this to improve a broken school system; 955 00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:33,572 to fix entitlements, 'cause they're going bankrupt; 956 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,442 to expand health coverage, 'cause it'll save money 957 00:34:36,508 --> 00:34:38,977 if fewer people show up in emergency rooms. 958 00:34:39,044 --> 00:34:40,679 What I've found 959 00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:44,082 is that Presidential campaigns aren't about these things. 960 00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:46,252 They're about clawing your opponents' eyes out, 961 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:48,354 so long as you don't get tagged for it. 962 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,821 So how 'bout this: 963 00:34:49,888 --> 00:34:53,359 I will never say anything about my opponents-- 964 00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:58,130 or anything about anything-- without saying it myself, 965 00:34:58,197 --> 00:34:59,831 right into the camera. 966 00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:01,633 You might not get to hear much of me, 967 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:06,638 but when you do, you'll know I stand by it. 968 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,474 I'm Matt Santos. 969 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:11,243 And you better believe I approved this ad. 970 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:13,245 ( microphone bristles and pops) 971 00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:26,758 Hard part's clearing your throat, really. 972 00:35:30,162 --> 00:35:31,330 Thanks. 973 00:35:31,397 --> 00:35:32,564 Bye. 974 00:35:32,631 --> 00:35:34,500 ( chuckles ) 975 00:35:40,539 --> 00:35:42,774 ( phones ringing ) Well I honestly don't know 976 00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:45,477 if we could run the ad again. It wasn't really... 977 00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:47,346 ( ringing continues) I'm-I'm sorry. 978 00:35:47,413 --> 00:35:50,048 Could you hold, please? Hello, Santos for... 979 00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:51,350 Federal limit's $2,000, ma'am. 980 00:35:51,417 --> 00:35:53,084 Could you please hold for a second? 981 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,086 REPORTER: John Hoynes isn't commenting on your ad. 982 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:56,855 SANTOS: And I'm not commenting on his failure to comment. 983 00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,690 So, uh, tag-- he's it. ( reporter chuckles ) 984 00:35:58,757 --> 00:36:00,726 REPORTER 2: Are you planning to go on TV more often? 985 00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:02,628 Yeah, I'm trying to get my own game show: 986 00:36:02,694 --> 00:36:04,129 Let's Make a Country. I'll keep you posted. 987 00:36:04,196 --> 00:36:05,431 ( reporters laughing ) 988 00:36:05,497 --> 00:36:07,299 I don't understand the strategy. 989 00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:09,335 I wouldn't call it a strategy per se. 990 00:36:09,401 --> 00:36:11,136 I mean, obviously, we talked about it. 991 00:36:11,203 --> 00:36:12,438 Before you wrote the ad? 992 00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:13,872 Matt Santos wrote the ad. 993 00:36:13,939 --> 00:36:15,974 C'mon, Josh, we're on deep background here. 994 00:36:16,041 --> 00:36:17,008 Matt Santos wrote the ad. 995 00:36:17,075 --> 00:36:18,410 Off the record, then. 996 00:36:18,477 --> 00:36:19,611 You could put me in the witness protection program. 997 00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:21,413 The guy wrote his own ad, okay? 998 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,482 I will never say anything about my opponents-- 999 00:36:23,549 --> 00:36:24,983 or anything about anything-- 1000 00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:28,254 without saying it myself, right into the camera. 1001 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,422 I'm Matt Santos. 1002 00:36:30,489 --> 00:36:32,190 And you better believe I approved this ad. 1003 00:36:32,258 --> 00:36:33,925 NEWSCASTER: It's hard to say 1004 00:36:33,992 --> 00:36:36,228 whether Congressman Matthew Santos' minute of prime time 1005 00:36:36,295 --> 00:36:38,129 can turn his flagging campaign around. 1006 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:41,333 But many political observers agree that the most unusual ad, 1007 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,536 run on rival station WMUR, raises the question: 1008 00:36:44,603 --> 00:36:46,071 If candidates mean what they say, 1009 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:48,106 why don't they simply say it themselves...? 1010 00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:51,477 Look, Amy, it's... 1011 00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:53,512 really hard out there. 1012 00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:55,481 We got people lobbing grenades 1013 00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:58,016 at us from all sides. 1014 00:36:58,083 --> 00:36:59,918 Even our friends. 1015 00:36:59,985 --> 00:37:02,454 They need to know if he can take it. 1016 00:37:02,521 --> 00:37:04,256 Even your friends. 1017 00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:05,591 NEWSCASTER 2: ...for its part, 1018 00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:07,125 the Russell campaign says that, in fact, 1019 00:37:07,192 --> 00:37:08,794 it stands by all its ads, 1020 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:10,696 which is why Bob Russell appears on-screen 1021 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:12,898 at the top of each one, attesting to its veracity... 1022 00:37:12,964 --> 00:37:14,065 I should be calling columnists. 1023 00:37:14,132 --> 00:37:15,367 Don't. 1024 00:37:15,434 --> 00:37:17,102 No, we should be doing spin-off events, 1025 00:37:17,168 --> 00:37:18,236 county by county... Don't. 1026 00:37:18,304 --> 00:37:19,605 We should be sending out copies of... 1027 00:37:19,671 --> 00:37:21,807 Don't! Stop! This thing spins itself. 1028 00:37:21,873 --> 00:37:23,775 You send out copies, they're gonna stop running it. 1029 00:37:23,842 --> 00:37:24,810 So, what do I do? 1030 00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,678 Sit here. 1031 00:37:49,701 --> 00:37:51,403 NEWSCASTER: ...what Congressman Santos 1032 00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:53,238 did tonight, intentionally or not, 1033 00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:54,873 was put both the Hoynes and Russell... 1034 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,708 What happens now? 1035 00:37:56,775 --> 00:37:57,743 Very little. 1036 00:37:57,809 --> 00:37:59,144 ...on the defensive, and defending 1037 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:00,612 a campaign reform law 1038 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:01,947 that hasn't done much to clean up campaigns... 1039 00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:03,382 REPORTER: You think it's cynical 1040 00:38:03,449 --> 00:38:04,650 that all four of the other candidates 1041 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:06,418 that were excluded from the main debate 1042 00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:08,186 have now accepted your offer to participate? 1043 00:38:08,253 --> 00:38:09,521 I don't call it cynical. 1044 00:38:09,588 --> 00:38:11,490 Yesterday this looked like a vanity exercise. 1045 00:38:11,557 --> 00:38:13,024 I might not have accepted it myself. 1046 00:38:13,091 --> 00:38:14,593 MSNBC's announced they're running 1047 00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:16,161 the two debates back-to-back. 1048 00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:18,163 And I'd watch 'em, but I'm busy that night. 1049 00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:19,230 ( reporters chuckling ) 1050 00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,832 RUSSELL: This is a disaster. 1051 00:38:20,899 --> 00:38:22,534 We're not getting a dime's worth of coverage 1052 00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:24,370 of Politics and Eggs, of our get-tough-on-Pakistan message... 1053 00:38:24,436 --> 00:38:25,637 The press loves an underdog. 1054 00:38:25,704 --> 00:38:27,673 How many points does he have behind this ad? 1055 00:38:27,739 --> 00:38:29,074 None. It's all free media. 1056 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,942 Can we ramp up our media buy? 1057 00:38:31,009 --> 00:38:32,478 I think we need to pull some of our negatives, 1058 00:38:32,544 --> 00:38:34,045 replace them with positives. 1059 00:38:34,112 --> 00:38:36,782 That sounds like a retreat. National press will smell blood. 1060 00:38:36,848 --> 00:38:39,017 It's a multi-candidate field. If the press falls in love 1061 00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:41,019 with Mr. Squeaky Clean and we're rolling in the mud... 1062 00:38:41,086 --> 00:38:44,423 We're leading in the polls. How did we end up in a crouch? 1063 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:46,692 I'm not changing my ads because of a stunt. 1064 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:48,660 You saw this morning's editorials about the debate... 1065 00:38:48,727 --> 00:38:50,362 Thank God we kept him out of it. 1066 00:38:50,429 --> 00:38:52,163 He'd have probably shown up in a powdered wig, 1067 00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:53,399 quoting from The Federalist Papers. 1068 00:38:53,465 --> 00:38:54,500 That's right. It's a stunt. 1069 00:38:54,566 --> 00:38:57,536 DONNA: I disagree. 1070 00:38:57,603 --> 00:38:59,605 I don't agree, Mr. Vice President. 1071 00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:01,640 Maybe it is a stunt, but if it is, 1072 00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:04,676 we invited it-- by trying to ride above the herd, 1073 00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:07,579 by treating everybody else as if they were a herd. 1074 00:39:07,646 --> 00:39:10,215 You have to go to Santos' debate. 1075 00:39:10,281 --> 00:39:11,950 Then Hoynes would have to go. 1076 00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:15,153 Then we're letting the chips fall on you, on your ideas, 1077 00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:17,322 not on some Machiavellian maneuver. 1078 00:39:17,389 --> 00:39:19,925 SANTOS: And what's the alternative? 1079 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:21,927 Alienating Pakistan, which cuts off 1080 00:39:21,993 --> 00:39:25,096 our only decent source of intelligence in that region. 1081 00:39:25,163 --> 00:39:27,799 I actually agree with John Hoynes on this one. 1082 00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,001 We have to keep that part of the world 1083 00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,504 free, prosperous and also nuclear-free. 1084 00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:33,772 Chest-beating's not gonna do it. 1085 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,340 Thanks, Congressman. That's great. 1086 00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:36,842 Thanks, guys. 1087 00:39:38,977 --> 00:39:40,378 Where have you been? 1088 00:39:40,446 --> 00:39:42,981 I got, uh... tied up. 1089 00:39:43,048 --> 00:39:46,184 I'm fine if we want to bring Amy back. 1090 00:39:46,251 --> 00:39:49,521 Any news? 1091 00:39:49,588 --> 00:39:52,090 Uh... ( clears throat ) 1092 00:39:52,157 --> 00:39:55,627 Hoynes turned us down for the debate again. 1093 00:39:55,694 --> 00:39:57,696 He must've been scared off by what he saw on TV, 1094 00:39:57,763 --> 00:39:58,930 'cause at this point, 1095 00:39:58,997 --> 00:40:01,232 even raw opportunism would suggest that... 1096 00:40:01,299 --> 00:40:02,701 Bob Russell for the Congressman. 1097 00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:06,738 Mr. Vice President. 1098 00:40:06,805 --> 00:40:08,339 Yes. 1099 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:09,975 NEWSCASTER: ...and after Vice President Russell 1100 00:40:10,041 --> 00:40:12,310 decided to skip today's Herald debate 1101 00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,145 and join Congressman Santos, 1102 00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:17,949 the Hoynes campaign had no choice but to do so, as well. 1103 00:40:18,016 --> 00:40:20,952 One thing's for sure: The debate you're about to see 1104 00:40:21,019 --> 00:40:23,755 isn't the one John Hoynes and Bob Russell wanted. 1105 00:40:23,822 --> 00:40:26,291 I thought we had a tougher line on means-testing. 1106 00:40:26,357 --> 00:40:29,094 You're gonna want to save that for the cross-examination. 1107 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,762 Right. 1108 00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:32,764 ...far more freewheeling rules are sure to make 1109 00:40:32,831 --> 00:40:34,866 this seven-way debate a must-see. 1110 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,102 Have you ever actually closed one eye and tilted your head 1111 00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:39,137 and looked at the Vice Presidential seal? 1112 00:40:39,204 --> 00:40:41,707 I hate to admit it, but yes. 1113 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:44,476 Really just a blurry- looking seal, isn't it? 1114 00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:46,044 I'm thinking about closing botheyes. 1115 00:40:46,111 --> 00:40:48,680 ( sighs ) What was it you said about front-runners? 1116 00:40:48,747 --> 00:40:50,348 Everything to lose, nothing to win? 1117 00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:51,850 And don't forget to tip the dealer. 1118 00:40:51,917 --> 00:40:53,418 Want to grab dinner later? 1119 00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,153 Who else am I going to have dinner with? 1120 00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:57,823 ...the Hoynes campaign had no choice but to do so, as well... 1121 00:41:02,227 --> 00:41:04,596 ANNOUNCER ( voice echoing ): Ladies and gentlemen, 1122 00:41:04,663 --> 00:41:06,097 please take your seats. 1123 00:41:06,164 --> 00:41:08,433 The debate will begin in two-and-a-half minutes. 1124 00:41:08,500 --> 00:41:11,069 I'd like to remind you that this is a live broadcast... 1125 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:15,774 I don't know if I've served you very well the past few days. 1126 00:41:15,841 --> 00:41:17,909 What are you talking about? 1127 00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:20,979 The ad was your idea; so's this debate. 1128 00:41:21,046 --> 00:41:23,348 I never thought we'd be here. 1129 00:41:23,414 --> 00:41:25,951 It's a miracle I ordered podiums. 1130 00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:27,886 ( chuckles ) 1131 00:41:27,953 --> 00:41:30,756 Truth is, I can't think of one thing I've done 1132 00:41:30,822 --> 00:41:34,425 to make this your campaign, and not some... 1133 00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:36,695 cookie-cutter beltway hack-a-thon. 1134 00:41:36,762 --> 00:41:39,264 Oh, I can think of one: 1135 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,899 You put me in it. 1136 00:41:40,966 --> 00:41:43,101 ANNOUNCER: ...for the candidates' responses. 1137 00:41:43,168 --> 00:41:46,838 Please reserve your applause until the end of the debate... 1138 00:41:46,905 --> 00:41:50,676 ( announcer continues indistinctly ) 1139 00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:53,278 ...no flash photography is to be used... 1140 00:41:56,114 --> 00:41:59,017 I buy you an ice cream cone when this is over? 1141 00:41:59,084 --> 00:42:01,653 Finally, there is no food or drink permitted... 1142 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:03,555 My flight's in an hour. 1143 00:42:03,622 --> 00:42:06,357 You're not gonna stay and watch? 1144 00:42:06,424 --> 00:42:08,359 I can never stand to see 1145 00:42:08,426 --> 00:42:11,029 candidates flub my lines, anyway. 1146 00:42:11,096 --> 00:42:13,198 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome 1147 00:42:13,264 --> 00:42:17,235 tonight's moderator, Alexander Thompson. 1148 00:42:17,302 --> 00:42:18,770 THOMPSON: Welcome. 1149 00:42:18,837 --> 00:42:22,007 Thank you for joining us today for the final debate 1150 00:42:22,073 --> 00:42:24,676 of the New Hampshire Democratic primary. 1151 00:42:24,743 --> 00:42:27,145 ( applause ) 1152 00:42:30,115 --> 00:42:33,218 For the next 90 minutes, our panel will ask questions 1153 00:42:33,284 --> 00:42:36,254 of the candidates, and all candidates will answer, 1154 00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:41,226 and all candidates must answer before the debate is to proceed... 86241

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