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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:19,087 --> 00:00:20,166 We were sitting at the pool 2 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:22,856 just sunbathing and talking. 3 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:25,775 I was a young gay man who was 4 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:28,903 questioning all kinds of things. 5 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:31,948 We talked about being gay in Hollywood 6 00:00:31,990 --> 00:00:35,326 and how difficult it was to have a career. 7 00:00:35,368 --> 00:00:40,165 And I asked him how he knew that he was gonna make it, 8 00:00:40,206 --> 00:00:43,501 because I wasn't sure that I ever would. 9 00:00:43,543 --> 00:00:46,504 And he told me about a dream that he had. 10 00:00:46,588 --> 00:00:50,675 He dreamt that there was a perfectly cut diamond 11 00:00:50,759 --> 00:00:54,179 sitting on velvet 12 00:00:54,220 --> 00:01:01,144 in a room that was lit with pin spots. 13 00:01:01,186 --> 00:01:03,229 And every one of the lights 14 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:07,859 were pointed into the center of the diamond. 15 00:01:09,861 --> 00:01:12,364 He thought he was the diamond. 16 00:01:12,447 --> 00:01:15,658 He said, "That's the dream 17 00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:20,205 "that made me believe that I could do this. 18 00:01:20,246 --> 00:01:23,958 That's how I knew I was gonna be a star." 19 00:01:31,549 --> 00:01:33,884 - Your name is Roy Fitzgerald? - That's right. 20 00:01:33,968 --> 00:01:36,221 Well, come up on our stage, young man. 21 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:38,932 This is your life! 22 00:01:39,015 --> 00:01:40,265 Come along here. 23 00:01:42,894 --> 00:01:44,604 Hey! 24 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:48,505 You see, folks, this young man, 25 00:01:48,525 --> 00:01:50,610 whose name really is Roy Fitzgerald, 26 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:54,239 is known to you and to movie fans all over the world as... 27 00:01:54,322 --> 00:01:57,325 Rock Hudson. Was he the cat's pajamas! 28 00:01:57,408 --> 00:01:59,224 Pleased to make your acquaintance, ma'am. 29 00:01:59,244 --> 00:02:00,662 Well, Rock was an icon. 30 00:02:00,745 --> 00:02:02,330 You couldn't take your eyes 31 00:02:02,414 --> 00:02:04,187 off Rock on the screen, you really couldn't. 32 00:02:04,207 --> 00:02:05,583 Not only was he 33 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:07,168 the biggest star at Universal, 34 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,816 he was by far the biggest star in Hollywood. 35 00:02:08,836 --> 00:02:13,091 There was that period where he was the king. 36 00:02:13,174 --> 00:02:14,759 The Tom Cruise of his day. 37 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:17,262 Women were swooning, men were swooning. 38 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:18,930 Rock was everybody's type. 39 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:21,599 You couldn't invent a name 40 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:26,312 that was better for a heterosexual leading man than Rock Hudson. 41 00:02:26,396 --> 00:02:27,439 Not only did women say, 42 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:29,274 "That's the man I want to marry," 43 00:02:29,357 --> 00:02:31,776 many men said, "That's the man I'd like to be." 44 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:35,113 He was like a granite facade, 45 00:02:35,196 --> 00:02:36,489 just impenetrable. 46 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:39,284 He was a great performer, 47 00:02:39,325 --> 00:02:42,245 not only in acting, but in life. 48 00:02:42,287 --> 00:02:44,539 Why aren't you married, Jordan? 49 00:02:44,622 --> 00:02:46,416 He had more than one world. 50 00:02:46,458 --> 00:02:48,335 He had the studio world. 51 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:50,420 He had this gay world. 52 00:02:50,462 --> 00:02:52,297 - You'll come? - I'd be delighted. 53 00:02:52,339 --> 00:02:53,965 Well, good-o, sport! 54 00:02:54,007 --> 00:02:56,301 I thought I was the last man in California 55 00:02:56,384 --> 00:02:58,408 to go to bed with Rock Hudson when I finally did. 56 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:00,638 He was a sort of sexual gladiator. 57 00:03:00,722 --> 00:03:03,975 The lash for you, betrayer of women. 58 00:03:04,059 --> 00:03:05,643 He was closeted, 59 00:03:05,727 --> 00:03:08,156 but there was every reason to be closeted back then. 60 00:03:08,228 --> 00:03:11,691 If the truth had come out, that would've been the end of his career. 61 00:03:11,775 --> 00:03:13,735 It's as simple as that. 62 00:03:13,818 --> 00:03:16,654 The public perception of Rock 63 00:03:16,696 --> 00:03:19,991 was so very masculine and straight. 64 00:03:20,075 --> 00:03:22,077 Privately, he was very free. 65 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,704 - He loved to laugh. - He was also a bit of a devil. 66 00:03:25,789 --> 00:03:28,833 The people that he had around him 67 00:03:28,875 --> 00:03:31,211 were very trusted friends. 68 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:33,463 I think maybe that's the key. 69 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:35,048 People loved him, you know? 70 00:03:35,131 --> 00:03:38,510 He was just a decent, wonderful guy. 71 00:03:38,593 --> 00:03:40,762 And that's unusual in Hollywood. 72 00:03:40,845 --> 00:03:44,015 I hate to say that, but it's true. 73 00:03:48,144 --> 00:03:50,063 He was a quiet man. 74 00:03:50,146 --> 00:03:53,692 I think the thing I most remember him for were his silences. 75 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:54,975 It was... 76 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:59,989 ...as if he were always listening to something inside. 77 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:02,701 Some voice. 78 00:04:04,119 --> 00:04:06,830 He never talked about it, so... 79 00:04:06,871 --> 00:04:09,374 I never knew what it was. 80 00:04:09,416 --> 00:04:11,376 Oh, he was a good man. 81 00:04:12,377 --> 00:04:14,546 He lived as if he were a stranger here. 82 00:04:14,629 --> 00:04:16,714 I mean, he never let anything touch him. 83 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:20,885 Became absorbed in things. His job mostly. 84 00:04:22,053 --> 00:04:24,597 He worked hard, he... 85 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:27,767 always a look around his eyes as if he were 86 00:04:27,851 --> 00:04:30,895 trying to say something. 87 00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:33,606 I don't know what... 88 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:37,527 protest against what he'd surrendered his life to. 89 00:04:39,738 --> 00:04:41,656 I never knew what he wanted... 90 00:04:41,740 --> 00:04:44,826 ...and I don't think he ever knew. 91 00:04:46,077 --> 00:04:48,246 Well, I... 92 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:50,999 guess I can't tell you much more. Enough? 93 00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:56,588 Should be going. 94 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,677 Rock Hudson died peacefully in his sleep from AIDS, 95 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:05,180 the first well-known person to publicly acknowledge 96 00:05:05,263 --> 00:05:07,025 his struggle with that fatal disease. 97 00:05:07,057 --> 00:05:10,852 He signaled this catastrophe called AIDS, 98 00:05:10,935 --> 00:05:13,563 but Rock was an activist without knowing it. 99 00:05:13,605 --> 00:05:16,358 Since AIDS is primarily a disease 100 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:17,859 associated with homosexuals, 101 00:05:17,942 --> 00:05:20,695 talk of Hudson's lifestyle has surfaced. 102 00:05:20,779 --> 00:05:23,615 They needed someone to say that he was gay, 103 00:05:23,698 --> 00:05:26,993 and the story would be told, and I didn't want it to be told 104 00:05:27,077 --> 00:05:30,955 in the way that the people in Hollywood wanted it told. 105 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:38,797 This is an interview with actor Rock Hudson 106 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,175 taped in his home in Beverly Hills, California, 107 00:05:42,258 --> 00:05:46,638 on August 24th, 1983. 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,765 Well, I'm wondering, first of all, 109 00:05:48,807 --> 00:05:50,433 how an Illinois boy like yourself 110 00:05:50,475 --> 00:05:52,477 became interested in acting. 111 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,604 I wanted to be an actor all my life. 112 00:05:54,646 --> 00:05:57,941 That has always hypnotized me. 113 00:05:57,982 --> 00:06:00,235 Did you have acting training as a boy? 114 00:06:00,318 --> 00:06:03,738 No. I could never freely say, 115 00:06:03,822 --> 00:06:05,824 "I'm going to be an actor when I grow up." 116 00:06:05,865 --> 00:06:06,825 Yeah. 117 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:08,493 Because that's sissy stuff. 118 00:06:08,535 --> 00:06:10,453 You oughta be a policeman or a fireman. 119 00:06:10,495 --> 00:06:12,747 So I never said anything. Kept my mouth shut. 120 00:06:12,831 --> 00:06:15,522 Nor did I enter in the drama society or anything like that. 121 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:17,399 I had to work all the time, so I couldn't do 122 00:06:17,419 --> 00:06:19,796 any form of extracurricular activity. 123 00:06:19,838 --> 00:06:21,589 I had to make a living for myself. 124 00:06:21,673 --> 00:06:23,717 And then I went in the Navy in World War II 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,593 and went back home for a summer, 126 00:06:25,677 --> 00:06:28,346 and I thought, "This place is not for me. 127 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:31,182 Now is the time to do what I want to do." 128 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:37,689 I did know one person in Los Angeles, 129 00:06:37,772 --> 00:06:38,606 my father. 130 00:06:38,690 --> 00:06:39,691 My parents divorced, 131 00:06:39,733 --> 00:06:41,776 and so he was living out here. 132 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:43,278 So I came out 133 00:06:43,361 --> 00:06:44,738 and stayed with him. 134 00:06:44,821 --> 00:06:47,574 It was very difficult for me to make friends out here. 135 00:06:47,657 --> 00:06:48,783 Then I got to know 136 00:06:48,867 --> 00:06:51,411 a guy who was an older brother 137 00:06:51,494 --> 00:06:54,247 of a guy I was overseas with. 138 00:06:54,330 --> 00:06:55,687 And it was one of those things, 139 00:06:55,707 --> 00:06:57,792 "If you're ever in Los Angeles, look me up." 140 00:06:57,876 --> 00:06:59,461 So I called him and he said, 141 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:00,900 "Come on up for Sunday dinner." 142 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,798 So I did, met his brother, who lived in Long Beach, 143 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:06,718 who used to be a radio producer. 144 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,219 He began inviting me down 145 00:07:08,303 --> 00:07:10,055 to his place down in Long Beach. 146 00:07:10,138 --> 00:07:12,349 We became best friends. 147 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:14,976 Kenneth Hodge was my uncle. 148 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:16,519 A man of the arts. 149 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:20,023 Somebody that really loved to help people. 150 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:22,525 It was never, ever spoken of 151 00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:24,569 that, you know, he might be gay. 152 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:27,781 I'd never heard that word at that point in time. 153 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:31,159 Being gay was considered, you know, a neurosis. 154 00:07:31,242 --> 00:07:35,538 It was just a subject that, uh, that was off the table. 155 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:39,376 Rock was just getting out of the Navy 156 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:42,087 and hadn't been into the pictures yet. 157 00:07:42,128 --> 00:07:44,130 So Kenneth was really enthralled with him 158 00:07:44,214 --> 00:07:49,052 and was sort of "love at first sight," I think for, for Ken. 159 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:52,389 They were very much lovers. 160 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:54,808 Kenneth had a big Hollywood job. 161 00:07:54,891 --> 00:07:57,435 He was a director in radio, and he had a good network. 162 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:00,939 He had plenty of people to introduce Rock to, 163 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:06,111 and he helped facilitate some of Rock's early career. 164 00:08:06,778 --> 00:08:09,739 He suggested that I get some pictures taken 165 00:08:09,781 --> 00:08:11,616 and send them around to agents. 166 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:12,951 I said, "What's an agent?" 167 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:16,246 Now I'm Midwestern hick. Please understand. 168 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:18,081 Not knowing anything at all. 169 00:08:18,123 --> 00:08:22,210 Anyway, I had one response, that's all. 170 00:08:22,293 --> 00:08:23,795 And that was Henry Willson. 171 00:08:23,878 --> 00:08:25,463 Is that right? 172 00:08:25,547 --> 00:08:27,966 Rock was very ambitious. 173 00:08:28,008 --> 00:08:30,927 He got scooped up with a big-time agent 174 00:08:30,969 --> 00:08:34,764 who really accelerated Rock's career. 175 00:08:34,806 --> 00:08:36,975 And from what I know is, 176 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:40,227 he kind of dropped Ken on the spot. 177 00:08:40,270 --> 00:08:43,690 I think it ended really abruptly. 178 00:08:46,234 --> 00:08:50,196 I never really saw my uncle in love again. 179 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:54,367 And I think Rock broke his heart. 180 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:02,917 And the fella sitting next to you in the audience down there, 181 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:04,859 there's the man who gave you that name, 182 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:07,586 your good friend and personal manager, Mr. Henry Willson. 183 00:09:07,630 --> 00:09:10,300 Henry, stand up, please, let the folks see you. 184 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:15,180 Matter of fact, uh, Henry discovered Rock 185 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:17,974 and fostered his rapid rise in pictures. 186 00:09:18,016 --> 00:09:19,216 Mm-hmm. 187 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:21,936 In the '40s, Henry Willson went to work 188 00:09:22,020 --> 00:09:24,564 for David O. Selznick right after David O. Selznick 189 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:26,691 finished "Gone With the Wind." 190 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:29,194 Henry and Rock met at a party 191 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:34,532 that this boyfriend-agent of Rock's took him to. 192 00:09:34,574 --> 00:09:37,160 Rock realized, "I'm going with the guy 193 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:40,663 who's the head of talent for Selznick Studios!" 194 00:09:40,705 --> 00:09:43,540 So Rock was one of his first clients, 195 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:46,211 and there were dozens of other men 196 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:48,880 who have been completely forgotten, 197 00:09:48,922 --> 00:09:52,759 who had crazy names like "Race Gentry." 198 00:09:52,842 --> 00:09:55,220 You only have to look at the silent movies, 199 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:58,807 where you would have these men like Ramon Novarro 200 00:09:58,890 --> 00:10:00,767 or Rudolph Valentino. 201 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:03,395 And they were considered way too effeminate 202 00:10:03,478 --> 00:10:05,397 by the late '30s. 203 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:08,566 As we come out of World War II, 204 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:11,611 our icons, particularly in the movies, 205 00:10:11,695 --> 00:10:13,822 become more butch. 206 00:10:13,905 --> 00:10:16,157 A more masculine man 207 00:10:16,241 --> 00:10:19,369 in the stereotypical way took over. 208 00:10:19,411 --> 00:10:23,206 There were all these photographs of soldiers and sailors. 209 00:10:23,248 --> 00:10:27,460 And so that kind of upped the ante of 210 00:10:27,544 --> 00:10:32,090 this macho quality that people wanted in a movie star. 211 00:10:32,132 --> 00:10:36,636 And so the physique became more important 212 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:41,141 and you had more taking off of the shirt. 213 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:45,395 And that's where Henry Willson really came in. 214 00:10:45,437 --> 00:10:48,481 He groomed the male stars 215 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:51,776 to be more butch, frankly. 216 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:53,486 And he did it with, 217 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:55,051 you know, a number of these guys 218 00:10:55,071 --> 00:10:56,823 who were ex-soldiers and sailors, 219 00:10:56,906 --> 00:10:58,950 and Rock Hudson was one of them. 220 00:10:59,034 --> 00:11:01,619 - You are divine. - I know, but I'm in training. 221 00:11:03,747 --> 00:11:05,123 So then I started 222 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:06,980 going to class and going to diction lessons, 223 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,501 learning how to lower my voice, 224 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:09,941 learning how to horseback ride, 225 00:11:09,961 --> 00:11:11,629 learning anything I could, 226 00:11:11,713 --> 00:11:16,801 'cause something within this Midwestern hick stupidity of mine 227 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:19,554 told me that if you're gonna do something, do it, 228 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:21,399 and do it the best you can and learn. 229 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:23,433 I knew that, at least. 230 00:11:23,475 --> 00:11:27,354 Henry Willson was very shrewd in knowing 231 00:11:27,437 --> 00:11:30,273 that if there is even a trace of effeminacy, 232 00:11:30,315 --> 00:11:32,817 whether it's a giggle or a flutter, 233 00:11:32,901 --> 00:11:34,944 that that's going to read on screen. 234 00:11:34,986 --> 00:11:37,864 He showed them how to do their hair, 235 00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:39,657 what to wear, all of that. 236 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:42,660 You know, he was a real grooming school. 237 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:46,706 He taught them how to be heterosexual. 238 00:11:53,838 --> 00:11:56,549 So, Kathleen, I wanted to begin by asking 239 00:11:56,633 --> 00:11:59,594 about the screen test that you appeared in with Rock. 240 00:11:59,678 --> 00:12:01,179 Oh, yes. 241 00:12:01,221 --> 00:12:03,306 I was just wondering, had you met Rock 242 00:12:03,348 --> 00:12:05,558 prior to appearing in the test with him? 243 00:12:05,642 --> 00:12:07,185 No, I hadn't. 244 00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:09,479 What was your initial impression of him? 245 00:12:09,521 --> 00:12:12,190 Well, he was certainly very handsome... 246 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:14,693 ...no question of that. 247 00:12:14,776 --> 00:12:17,821 And he was very pleasant, very nice. 248 00:12:17,862 --> 00:12:19,552 Honey, I'm gonna tell you something. 249 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:22,033 You can believe it or not, but it's the truth. 250 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:24,911 The last winter of the war over in Germany... 251 00:12:24,994 --> 00:12:31,042 He did not appeal to me as a man or as a date. 252 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:36,047 He was very nice, but I... there was no spark. 253 00:12:36,131 --> 00:12:39,092 Cut! 254 00:12:39,175 --> 00:12:42,387 I was under contract with Universal Pictures. 255 00:12:42,429 --> 00:12:44,806 And then I was with them 17, 18 years. 256 00:12:44,848 --> 00:12:47,229 Universal in those days, it was a wonderful studio. 257 00:12:47,267 --> 00:12:50,395 They took care of everything for the actor. 258 00:12:50,478 --> 00:12:52,147 The house you live in, 259 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:53,802 the shopping, your meals, a cook. 260 00:12:53,857 --> 00:12:56,568 It was all done for you. 261 00:12:56,651 --> 00:13:02,240 So that the only thing you had to be concerned about was your performance. 262 00:13:03,867 --> 00:13:06,036 See that little glint of fear 263 00:13:06,077 --> 00:13:08,705 in his eyes, the insecurity? 264 00:13:08,747 --> 00:13:11,166 Rock and I had both been signed 265 00:13:11,249 --> 00:13:14,002 to be under contract to Universal. 266 00:13:14,085 --> 00:13:16,212 One of the things that we had to do 267 00:13:16,254 --> 00:13:18,298 after we were all under contract was 268 00:13:18,381 --> 00:13:21,259 be a part of a theatrical presentation 269 00:13:21,343 --> 00:13:26,264 for all the studio heads and producers and agents. 270 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:30,393 And he'd never been on the stage before. 271 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:35,357 And, and I saw that he was physically out of control. 272 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,318 He was just, he was very much like a child 273 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:42,113 and just shaking visibly and perspiring 274 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:45,492 and looked like he couldn't stand on his feet. 275 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:49,496 And I embraced him, and I held him like I was his mother 276 00:13:49,579 --> 00:13:54,959 and tried to infuse some strength in him, courage. 277 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:57,128 But he was so frightened. 278 00:13:58,672 --> 00:14:01,424 My best friend at the time, 279 00:14:01,466 --> 00:14:04,636 who was also under contract, Susan Cabot. 280 00:14:04,719 --> 00:14:07,055 Well, she was always telling me 281 00:14:07,138 --> 00:14:09,224 how madly in love with him she was. 282 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:14,354 And she told me that he took her home to meet his mother once. 283 00:14:14,437 --> 00:14:18,358 She was really hoping to end up with him. 284 00:14:18,441 --> 00:14:22,487 And I had already heard that he was gay. 285 00:14:22,570 --> 00:14:27,409 And I said, "Um, I don't think it's gonna happen." 286 00:14:27,492 --> 00:14:30,995 "Oh, yes, yes. It's just got to happen." 287 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:33,957 Well, it didn't happen. 288 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,959 I can't marry you. 289 00:14:36,001 --> 00:14:38,878 Why not, darling? Why not? 290 00:14:42,924 --> 00:14:46,386 For a moment, I, I forgot what I am. 291 00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:52,017 There's a womanizer 292 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,977 and Henry Willson was a manizer. 293 00:14:54,019 --> 00:14:57,939 And he was pretty straightforward about, 294 00:14:58,023 --> 00:15:01,192 "Well, I'll sign you and you'll sleep with me," 295 00:15:01,234 --> 00:15:04,529 and there was even kind of negotiations that went on, 296 00:15:04,612 --> 00:15:08,283 and he quickly gained a reputation for it. 297 00:15:08,366 --> 00:15:12,454 And young, good-looking men went to him 298 00:15:12,537 --> 00:15:16,708 using their sex to be signed by him. 299 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,376 They knew what they were doing. 300 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:21,463 I don't think, when it came to sex, 301 00:15:21,546 --> 00:15:26,301 Rock was ever innocent by the time he arrived in Hollywood. 302 00:15:26,384 --> 00:15:29,554 The next time we saw Roy was over a week later, 303 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:31,578 only you wouldn't know it was the same man. 304 00:15:31,598 --> 00:15:32,891 Hello. 305 00:15:32,974 --> 00:15:35,226 In 1951, Henry Willson 306 00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:38,104 introduces his most promising client, Rock Hudson, 307 00:15:38,188 --> 00:15:41,649 to an aspiring actor named Bob Preble. 308 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:45,570 Soon these two eligible bachelors are living together 309 00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:50,367 in a one-bedroom house off Mulholland Drive. 310 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:55,538 "Photoplay" magazine publishes this article, 311 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,165 and we're allowed to peek through the window, 312 00:15:58,249 --> 00:16:02,921 as it were, into Rock and Bob's private sanctuary. 313 00:16:05,006 --> 00:16:10,595 What's being depicted is almost sort of like this marital intimacy. 314 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:15,016 And yet every effort is made to portray Rock and Bob as like 315 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:17,352 wholesome all-American boys. 316 00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:20,271 Preble later admitted to some quote, unquote, 317 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:21,940 "experimenting" with Rock 318 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,067 when they were roommates. 319 00:16:24,109 --> 00:16:25,715 But "Photoplay" magazine would have us believe 320 00:16:25,735 --> 00:16:28,738 that the only reason these two hunks are living together 321 00:16:28,780 --> 00:16:30,615 is to save a buck. 322 00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:34,994 Look, baby, there's no strings on me. 323 00:16:35,078 --> 00:16:36,913 I do what I like. 324 00:16:36,955 --> 00:16:39,249 And the same thing goes for you. 325 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,628 And we got music. 326 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:56,975 In 1951, Rock meets fellow actor George Nader 327 00:16:57,058 --> 00:17:02,689 and Nader's long-term partner, Mark Miller. 328 00:17:02,772 --> 00:17:04,398 And for the next 34 years, 329 00:17:04,482 --> 00:17:07,609 this trio is virtually inseparable. 330 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:11,196 The bond is forged through, you know, things like 331 00:17:11,281 --> 00:17:13,366 a similar sense of humor 332 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:16,286 and this tendency towards mischief. 333 00:17:16,327 --> 00:17:20,623 There's also this shared misery of the closet. 334 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:25,337 There are countless lovers, short-term boyfriends, 335 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:30,675 and weekend flings that pass through Rock Hudson's life. 336 00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:35,138 But the friendship with Nader and Miller endured. 337 00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:39,517 Ain't he the sweetest player you ever saw? 338 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:41,353 He is not. 339 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:45,482 I think that Hudson was regarded 340 00:17:45,523 --> 00:17:49,486 as a big, strong, handsome guy. 341 00:17:49,527 --> 00:17:53,198 And the natural instinct was to put him 342 00:17:53,281 --> 00:17:56,951 in a lot of cheap adventure films. 343 00:17:57,035 --> 00:18:00,663 It took time for the studio to see 344 00:18:00,747 --> 00:18:04,209 that what they really had there 345 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:05,960 was a subtler actor 346 00:18:06,044 --> 00:18:07,545 than they ever guessed. 347 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:09,923 Johash! The horses! 348 00:18:14,052 --> 00:18:15,387 Yes, here they are, 349 00:18:15,428 --> 00:18:17,389 those wild and wonderful '20s, 350 00:18:17,472 --> 00:18:19,557 the years of speakeasies and hot jazz. 351 00:18:38,243 --> 00:18:40,684 - Will I see you tonight? - You bet, Millie, 8 o'clock. 352 00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:42,686 - There's a good... Yes, sir. - A double bromo. 353 00:18:42,706 --> 00:18:44,749 One double bromo. There's a good movie... 354 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:47,419 I personally felt that part was beneath him. 355 00:18:47,502 --> 00:18:49,587 I thought he was miscast. 356 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:53,091 You know, he was a 6'4" hunk, 357 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,969 and to be playing lines 358 00:18:56,052 --> 00:18:58,555 that belonged in a teenager's mouth. 359 00:18:58,596 --> 00:19:01,099 Watch me! One strawberry surprise. 360 00:19:01,766 --> 00:19:05,937 I just thought it was beneath him, and he was a good sport. 361 00:19:06,438 --> 00:19:09,566 Did you know that in the drugstore scenes, uh... 362 00:19:09,607 --> 00:19:11,443 Is it the young Jimmy Dean? 363 00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:13,341 Yeah, yeah. He was sitting at the counter. 364 00:19:13,361 --> 00:19:15,864 Nobody paid any attention, nobody knew him then. 365 00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:18,680 Two scoops of vanilla ice cream, one mixed up with the rest. 366 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:20,201 And, uh, one floating. 367 00:19:57,072 --> 00:19:58,948 Film producer Ross Hunter, 368 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:01,848 who not only is one of the most successful producers in town, 369 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:03,787 but one of the best liked. 370 00:20:03,828 --> 00:20:07,103 I believe in, you know, authenticity, real flowers and real paintings. 371 00:20:07,123 --> 00:20:10,210 And there's a million dollars' worth of jewels here tonight. 372 00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:13,505 The studio asked, "What would you like to do?" 373 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,737 And I said, "Well, I would like to do something 374 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,301 "that I believe is very much needed in this industry, 375 00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:19,658 and that is to bring back glamor." 376 00:20:19,678 --> 00:20:22,347 So I said, "Let's do some love stories." 377 00:20:31,606 --> 00:20:35,235 I only can say I smelled something 378 00:20:35,318 --> 00:20:37,696 interesting in the film. 379 00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:41,783 Something which I would call metaphysical. 380 00:20:41,866 --> 00:20:45,203 You know, it's very strange knowing you only like this. 381 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:47,580 So well, it seems, and... 382 00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:49,457 and yet... 383 00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:52,419 I've never seen your face. 384 00:20:52,502 --> 00:20:55,296 The studio thought my ideas were crazy. 385 00:20:55,380 --> 00:20:57,340 I told them that I believe strongly 386 00:20:57,382 --> 00:20:59,175 in a man called Rock Hudson. 387 00:20:59,217 --> 00:21:01,886 And I would like to be able 388 00:21:01,928 --> 00:21:05,682 to use him as the young man in "Magnificent Obsession." 389 00:21:05,724 --> 00:21:09,102 He's a good-looking, clean-cut man 390 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:11,479 that young people all over the world 391 00:21:11,563 --> 00:21:13,356 will fantasize about. 392 00:21:14,649 --> 00:21:17,402 Oh, I'm so glad you're here. 393 00:21:17,444 --> 00:21:19,696 You must have known how much I need you now. 394 00:21:19,738 --> 00:21:21,031 Darling. 395 00:21:21,072 --> 00:21:22,490 Ross Hunter is kind of 396 00:21:22,574 --> 00:21:24,409 the one that clues into the fact 397 00:21:24,451 --> 00:21:27,370 that Rock is Prince Charming. 398 00:21:27,412 --> 00:21:30,123 You know, let's put him in some 399 00:21:30,206 --> 00:21:32,876 glossy romantic melodramas. 400 00:21:32,917 --> 00:21:35,378 That proved to be the winning formula 401 00:21:35,420 --> 00:21:37,547 for the beginning of Rock's career. 402 00:21:37,589 --> 00:21:41,217 I love you, and I wanna marry you. 403 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:43,261 Oh, the picture was probably 404 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:44,888 one of the biggest moneymakers 405 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:46,431 that Universal had ever had. 406 00:21:46,514 --> 00:21:49,434 Rock Hudson became a star, 407 00:21:49,517 --> 00:21:52,771 just on account of this film. 408 00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:57,108 Based on votes of moviegoers all over the nation, 409 00:21:57,192 --> 00:21:58,693 most popular actor of the year. 410 00:22:00,612 --> 00:22:03,198 Rock, take another bow. Take another bow. 411 00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:05,950 Take a bow, just take a bow. 412 00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:12,123 - Aren't you Mrs. Ricky Ricardo? - Yeah... Yes. 413 00:22:12,207 --> 00:22:13,917 - Well, I'm Rock Hudson. - Oh, yeah. 414 00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:16,544 Well, I know that. 415 00:22:16,628 --> 00:22:19,089 W ell, this is the second year in a row 416 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:21,466 that Mr. Hudson has been picked by "Modern Screen" 417 00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:23,593 as most popular actor. 418 00:22:23,635 --> 00:22:25,637 Top honors for a top star. 419 00:22:39,317 --> 00:22:42,529 But I'd be running away if I turn my back on everything I've known. 420 00:22:42,612 --> 00:22:45,699 Ron. Isn't it enough that we love each other? 421 00:22:47,992 --> 00:22:51,579 No, Cary, it isn't. 422 00:23:00,505 --> 00:23:02,340 Sirk is German. 423 00:23:02,382 --> 00:23:04,300 He's making these movies 424 00:23:04,342 --> 00:23:10,515 as an outsider about our American values 425 00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:13,018 and kind of poking holes in them. 426 00:23:13,101 --> 00:23:15,687 Their lives were worlds apart. 427 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,732 Cary's world was bound by the country club set, 428 00:23:18,815 --> 00:23:21,609 their smug pretensions and their spiteful gossip. 429 00:23:21,693 --> 00:23:23,695 Ron's world was boundless. 430 00:23:23,737 --> 00:23:26,239 The great outdoors, the things that grow 431 00:23:26,322 --> 00:23:28,408 and real people who give and take 432 00:23:28,491 --> 00:23:29,659 all that heaven allows 433 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,619 of love and happiness. 434 00:23:35,373 --> 00:23:39,085 Sirk created a signature style, 435 00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:41,379 which is, it's so beautiful, 436 00:23:41,421 --> 00:23:44,549 but if you look underneath the surface, 437 00:23:44,632 --> 00:23:46,801 under the white picket fences, 438 00:23:46,885 --> 00:23:51,890 you're gonna see how torrid and ugly everything is. 439 00:23:51,973 --> 00:23:54,059 - Howard, you're drunk. - Why, Cary! 440 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,603 Isn't one man enough for you? 441 00:23:56,686 --> 00:23:59,230 Maybe you'd better stay right where you are. 442 00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:01,733 Rock Hudson is just a... 443 00:24:01,816 --> 00:24:06,529 a perfect example of a male Adonis, 444 00:24:06,571 --> 00:24:11,242 but he's also sensitive, well-rounded guy. 445 00:24:11,284 --> 00:24:16,081 You know, he's not strictly a sex object for Jane Wyman. 446 00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:22,504 He was the perfect man for women of that era 447 00:24:22,587 --> 00:24:26,424 that maybe were trapped in lonely marriages 448 00:24:26,466 --> 00:24:30,303 with insensitive, unfeeling men. 449 00:24:30,762 --> 00:24:33,598 Look, Mick, I told her that I love her. 450 00:24:33,682 --> 00:24:35,682 I asked her to marry me. I can't force her. 451 00:24:35,725 --> 00:24:37,207 She has to make up her own mind. 452 00:24:37,227 --> 00:24:40,397 She doesn't wanna make up her own mind, no girl does. 453 00:24:40,438 --> 00:24:42,128 She wants you to make it up for her. 454 00:24:42,148 --> 00:24:43,817 Come on, let's go. 455 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:51,032 Rock Hudson is playing a man called Rock Hudson, 456 00:24:51,116 --> 00:24:57,288 who is the personification of Americana. 457 00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:04,254 The identity was given to him... 458 00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:10,802 ...and he slipped into it and he played it for the rest of his life. 459 00:25:20,145 --> 00:25:22,669 This is the biggest thing that's ever happened to you. 460 00:25:22,731 --> 00:25:24,274 - Yeah? - Yeah. 461 00:25:24,315 --> 00:25:26,631 That's why it was such a hurry for me to get over here 462 00:25:26,651 --> 00:25:27,777 and clean up your image. 463 00:25:27,819 --> 00:25:29,821 What's wrong with my image? 464 00:25:29,863 --> 00:25:32,554 You make it sound like I've just been named Leper of the Year. 465 00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:34,139 Well, you know the mentality of that board, 466 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,016 they're hipped on the idea of a corporate image, 467 00:25:36,036 --> 00:25:38,913 solid American gentry, family respectability. 468 00:25:38,997 --> 00:25:41,813 For their top executives, there are not 10 commandments, only one: 469 00:25:41,833 --> 00:25:44,627 "Thou shalt be married, happily and respectably married." 470 00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:46,693 - Whether you like it or not. - That's right. 471 00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:48,361 From now on you're gonna have a new look. 472 00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:50,008 No more gay married bachelor. 473 00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:52,677 It's got to be Carter Harrison, family man. 474 00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:55,680 ♪ Maybe I'm right ♪ 475 00:25:55,722 --> 00:25:59,351 ♪ And maybe I'm wrong ♪ 476 00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:01,811 ♪ Maybe I'm weak ♪ 477 00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:04,439 ♪ And maybe I'm strong ♪ 478 00:26:04,522 --> 00:26:06,733 ♪ But nevertheless ♪ 479 00:26:06,816 --> 00:26:09,861 ♪ I'm in love... ♪ 480 00:26:09,903 --> 00:26:12,322 By the late 1950s, 481 00:26:12,405 --> 00:26:14,741 Rock Hudson had really arrived. 482 00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:17,869 Rock's great popularity as a matinee idol 483 00:26:17,952 --> 00:26:20,205 poses this significant problem 484 00:26:20,246 --> 00:26:22,707 for his handlers and studio executives. 485 00:26:22,791 --> 00:26:25,335 On the screen, he's wooing women 486 00:26:25,377 --> 00:26:27,170 like Jane Wyman and Piper Laurie 487 00:26:27,212 --> 00:26:29,839 and the fans are really eating it up. 488 00:26:29,881 --> 00:26:32,050 But he's nearly 30 years old 489 00:26:32,133 --> 00:26:34,803 and he's sort of suspiciously unmarried. 490 00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:36,721 ♪ ...with you ♪ 491 00:26:36,805 --> 00:26:39,224 In the days when you were working with Rock, 492 00:26:39,307 --> 00:26:41,539 the fan magazines like "Photoplay" and "Modern Screen" 493 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:42,759 started to print articles 494 00:26:42,811 --> 00:26:44,729 in which Betty Abbott was described 495 00:26:44,813 --> 00:26:46,481 as "Rock Hudson's best girl." 496 00:26:46,564 --> 00:26:47,691 Oh, I know. 497 00:26:47,732 --> 00:26:49,401 We would laugh our heads off. 498 00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:51,903 I mean, it was publicity. 499 00:26:51,986 --> 00:26:55,198 I mean, we knew what they were trying to do 500 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,991 and we'd sit there and laugh it off. 501 00:26:57,075 --> 00:26:59,077 ♪ A life of regret... ♪ 502 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,580 No one cared what you really did in Hollywood. 503 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:05,917 It's just as long as you played along 504 00:27:05,959 --> 00:27:09,921 and you presented a facade to the public. 505 00:27:10,005 --> 00:27:14,884 So living with another man is not kind of playing the game. 506 00:27:14,926 --> 00:27:18,221 Playing the game is getting married. 507 00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:20,724 ♪ But nevertheless ♪ 508 00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:23,476 ♪ I'm in love ♪ 509 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,270 ♪ With ♪ 510 00:27:25,353 --> 00:27:29,107 ♪ You ♪ 511 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:31,109 It's about time you got hitched, isn't it? 512 00:27:33,236 --> 00:27:34,612 No, I... 513 00:27:34,654 --> 00:27:36,906 I have trouble enough finding oil. 514 00:27:37,949 --> 00:27:40,702 Enter Phyllis Gates. 515 00:27:40,785 --> 00:27:43,621 Not only is she Henry Willson's secretary, 516 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:45,957 but she's really heaven sent. 517 00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:48,460 It's like direct from central casting 518 00:27:48,543 --> 00:27:50,462 to play Mrs. Rock Hudson. 519 00:27:50,545 --> 00:27:53,423 In November of 1955, 520 00:27:53,465 --> 00:27:55,050 Rock and Phyllis are married 521 00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:57,802 at the Biltmore Hotel in Santa Barbara. 522 00:27:57,886 --> 00:28:00,764 The ceremony took place only eight days 523 00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:03,308 before Hudson's 30th birthday. 524 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:05,935 And not surprisingly, Henry Willson, 525 00:28:05,977 --> 00:28:08,980 the omnipresent, tended to every detail. 526 00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:11,649 Though he does stop short of joining the newlyweds 527 00:28:11,691 --> 00:28:13,943 when they honeymoon in the Caribbean. 528 00:28:13,985 --> 00:28:16,780 I tend to believe that it was arranged, 529 00:28:16,863 --> 00:28:20,158 that Henry Willson paired off an essentially gay man 530 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,995 and a woman rumored to be bi or gay herself. 531 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,456 Both participants may have agreed to play house 532 00:28:26,498 --> 00:28:30,251 in the name of keeping Hudson's career blazing. 533 00:28:30,335 --> 00:28:32,921 Oh, it was totally engineered by Henry. 534 00:28:32,962 --> 00:28:37,967 You know, and the, the thing that was such a joke about it 535 00:28:38,009 --> 00:28:41,096 is that Rock didn't look any further 536 00:28:41,179 --> 00:28:43,139 than his agent's secretary. 537 00:28:44,182 --> 00:28:48,687 In some ways, Rock is the most successful creation 538 00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:50,939 of that golden age of Hollywood, 539 00:28:51,022 --> 00:28:54,859 the last of those really manufactured stars 540 00:28:54,943 --> 00:28:56,069 where every aspect 541 00:28:56,152 --> 00:28:59,739 of what we think to be their private life 542 00:28:59,823 --> 00:29:03,368 has been built by other people. 543 00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:13,753 I like to lean upon a director, 544 00:29:13,837 --> 00:29:17,841 and if I can't lean on him, I'm rather lost. 545 00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:19,968 And I am forced to rely on myself. 546 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:22,846 And that's not a comfortable feeling. 547 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,230 When the opportunity came for you to work 548 00:29:32,272 --> 00:29:33,920 with George Stevens, what was your...? 549 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:36,192 Oh, well, scrape me off the ceiling. 550 00:29:36,234 --> 00:29:38,403 I mean, the thrill of a lifetime for me. 551 00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:40,613 But it was really true what everybody said, 552 00:29:40,697 --> 00:29:43,575 make yourself a piece of putty and put yourself in his hands 553 00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:45,201 and rely on him. 554 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,414 George Stevens is one of those classic 555 00:29:49,497 --> 00:29:51,249 American filmmakers, 556 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:54,002 and no story I know is as big as "Giant." 557 00:29:54,085 --> 00:29:56,171 It spans so many decades. 558 00:29:56,254 --> 00:29:59,299 It spans so many sensibilities. 559 00:29:59,382 --> 00:30:04,971 Just the photography alone is so magnificent. 560 00:30:05,055 --> 00:30:08,892 I've probably seen "Giant" hundreds of times. 561 00:30:09,434 --> 00:30:11,436 I lost one friend I had in this place 562 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:13,104 and I know it too. 563 00:30:13,188 --> 00:30:15,315 So I quit. I'm dead quit. 564 00:30:15,398 --> 00:30:17,130 Don't have to say another word to me. 565 00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:18,735 Nobody's firing you, Jett. 566 00:30:18,777 --> 00:30:21,446 What kind of memories do you have of James Dean? 567 00:30:21,488 --> 00:30:25,283 George used Jimmy because Jimmy was new and hot. 568 00:30:25,367 --> 00:30:27,494 - Mm-hmm. Yes. - Hot-hot. 569 00:30:27,577 --> 00:30:30,747 I didn't particularly like him, personally. 570 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:32,170 - Would you excuse me? - Sure. 571 00:30:32,207 --> 00:30:34,017 I'm wanna go get a pack of cigarettes. 572 00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:38,505 According to some accounts, 573 00:30:38,588 --> 00:30:42,342 James Dean was rather disdainful of Hudson. 574 00:30:42,884 --> 00:30:45,053 Dean considered it hypocritical 575 00:30:45,136 --> 00:30:48,640 that Rock was maintaining this hetero facade in public 576 00:30:48,723 --> 00:30:51,059 while privately hitting on Dean, 577 00:30:51,142 --> 00:30:53,019 if we're to believe the rumor mill. 578 00:30:53,103 --> 00:30:56,690 Some might say that that's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. 579 00:30:56,773 --> 00:31:00,402 You know, it's pretty well documented that early in his career, 580 00:31:00,485 --> 00:31:04,030 James Dean was kept by a gay radio executive 581 00:31:04,114 --> 00:31:07,575 who was indeed friends with Rock's agent, Henry Willson. 582 00:31:07,659 --> 00:31:10,328 If you're talking about shrouded sexuality, 583 00:31:10,412 --> 00:31:12,330 they weren't all that different. 584 00:31:12,372 --> 00:31:14,416 While we're talking about James Dean, 585 00:31:14,499 --> 00:31:16,690 I don't know whether you had anything else you wanted to... 586 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:19,713 As I say, I didn't like the fella too much. 587 00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:22,132 I don't know as I should say any more. 588 00:31:22,173 --> 00:31:24,364 Uh, Jimmy was dead before the picture was over. 589 00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:27,262 - Yes. - I don't like to talk against anybody. 590 00:31:27,345 --> 00:31:29,305 And I don't like to talk against the dead. 591 00:31:29,347 --> 00:31:31,516 - Mm-hmm. - So I think I should shut up. 592 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,351 Yeah, all right. Okay. 593 00:31:33,435 --> 00:31:35,979 Where do you think you're going with my automobile? 594 00:31:36,021 --> 00:31:37,856 Just hold on. 595 00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:42,444 Hudson has definite negative feelings about James Dean, 596 00:31:42,527 --> 00:31:45,363 but those feelings are sharply contrasted 597 00:31:45,447 --> 00:31:49,659 with how much he loved and cherished leading lady Elizabeth Taylor. 598 00:31:49,701 --> 00:31:51,327 I'm a tough Texian. 599 00:31:51,369 --> 00:31:54,039 It never ceases to amaze me about Rock Hudson, 600 00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:56,041 how fully he gives himself 601 00:31:56,082 --> 00:31:58,793 to these heterosexual romances. 602 00:32:00,670 --> 00:32:04,132 I mean, that scene when they wake up on the train, 603 00:32:04,215 --> 00:32:07,218 they've been fucking from Maryland all the way, you know, 604 00:32:07,302 --> 00:32:10,513 to Texas, and I believe it! 605 00:32:11,181 --> 00:32:12,974 What's that? A wolf? 606 00:32:13,516 --> 00:32:17,729 No, honey, just a little old coyote. 607 00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:23,860 It's no secret that throughout her whole life, 608 00:32:23,902 --> 00:32:28,490 Elizabeth Taylor had many close friendships with gay men. 609 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,410 Echoing her role in "Giant," Taylor often gravitated 610 00:32:32,452 --> 00:32:35,872 toward social outcasts or misfits. 611 00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:38,083 We became close friends. 612 00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:39,584 We are close friends today, 613 00:32:39,626 --> 00:32:42,045 and I think she is one of the best people. 614 00:32:42,712 --> 00:32:45,382 That kind of loving bond between them, 615 00:32:45,423 --> 00:32:47,217 the soulmate connection, if you will, 616 00:32:47,258 --> 00:32:50,595 becomes all the more important later in life. 617 00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:55,558 George Stevens had complicated characters 618 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,146 and he cared about those characters within society 619 00:33:00,230 --> 00:33:02,982 in a way that's different from how Sirk did. 620 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:05,694 Now look here, Sarge. 621 00:33:05,777 --> 00:33:09,239 I'd sure appreciate it if you were a little more polite to these people. 622 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,199 Oh, you would, would you? 623 00:33:11,282 --> 00:33:12,951 By the end of that movie, 624 00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,036 Rock Hudson is our American hero 625 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,290 because he's inclusive and he's a feminist, 626 00:33:19,332 --> 00:33:22,127 and then he's got grandkids that are mixed. 627 00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:24,879 Those kids in their infinite wisdom 628 00:33:24,963 --> 00:33:26,297 are smarter than we are. 629 00:33:26,381 --> 00:33:28,174 That's America, you know, to me. 630 00:33:28,258 --> 00:33:30,218 So he is America. 631 00:33:31,344 --> 00:33:33,805 Sure, even the calf's got my number. 632 00:33:35,724 --> 00:33:38,435 In Hollywood, a new high for glamor is reached 633 00:33:38,476 --> 00:33:42,564 as Warner Bros. premieres George Stevens' production, "Giant." 634 00:33:42,647 --> 00:33:44,649 Rock Hudson and his charming wife Phyllis 635 00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,777 expressed their happiness about the brilliant premiere. 636 00:33:47,819 --> 00:33:49,362 - Hey, Sugar! - Yes? 637 00:33:49,446 --> 00:33:51,636 Here is a guy that's as big as Texas in "Giant." 638 00:33:51,656 --> 00:33:53,950 - It's such a performance. - Rock Hudson. 639 00:33:53,992 --> 00:33:55,807 Hello. How are you? Nice to see you again. 640 00:33:55,827 --> 00:33:58,496 - Nice to see you again. - I wanna meet your wife. Hello. 641 00:33:58,538 --> 00:34:02,083 So nice to meet you, Phyllis. You wanna step in here? 642 00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:03,960 I never heard such screams in my life 643 00:34:04,002 --> 00:34:05,837 as when you got outta the car tonight. 644 00:34:05,879 --> 00:34:07,422 Well, you received 645 00:34:07,505 --> 00:34:09,446 an Academy Award nomination for the film. 646 00:34:09,466 --> 00:34:11,009 Mm-hmm, so did Jimmy. 647 00:34:11,051 --> 00:34:12,969 Is that right? I'd forgotten. 648 00:34:13,011 --> 00:34:15,554 The nominees for best actor are: 649 00:34:15,638 --> 00:34:18,141 Yul Brynner in "The King and I," 650 00:34:18,183 --> 00:34:20,310 Rock Hudson in "Giant," 651 00:34:20,351 --> 00:34:22,437 James Dean in "Giant," 652 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,688 Kirk Douglas in "Lust for life," 653 00:34:24,731 --> 00:34:28,735 and Sir Laurence Olivier in "Richard III." 654 00:34:28,818 --> 00:34:32,697 The winner is Yul Brynner. 655 00:34:34,866 --> 00:34:40,871 Boy, it is really sad to me that he lost 656 00:34:40,914 --> 00:34:45,043 because it's such a tour de force performance. 657 00:34:45,627 --> 00:34:49,672 When do you get that chance again? 658 00:34:49,714 --> 00:34:51,549 He did not. 659 00:34:55,553 --> 00:34:58,056 I wanted to be a Western movie actor. 660 00:34:58,139 --> 00:35:03,311 So I landed in Hollywood in 1961 661 00:35:03,395 --> 00:35:07,023 and realized that I was kind of pretty, 662 00:35:07,065 --> 00:35:09,359 but, uh, what I didn't realize was 663 00:35:09,401 --> 00:35:11,236 I didn't have any talent. 664 00:35:11,277 --> 00:35:15,365 Fortunately, when I finally got with Rock, 665 00:35:15,407 --> 00:35:17,555 I realized I really didn't want to be an actor. 666 00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:19,911 I didn't want any part of that business. 667 00:35:27,419 --> 00:35:30,213 Uh, yes. I remember very well. 668 00:35:31,631 --> 00:35:35,093 I got a job at Universal Studios, 669 00:35:35,176 --> 00:35:37,721 and I wanted to see what he looked like. 670 00:35:37,762 --> 00:35:41,391 So I went over beside his cottage, 671 00:35:41,433 --> 00:35:45,437 and he walked out and walked down the street, 672 00:35:45,478 --> 00:35:48,023 and he turned and looked back. 673 00:35:48,106 --> 00:35:50,525 And, of course, I was... whew! 674 00:35:51,818 --> 00:35:53,611 He was incredible. 675 00:35:53,695 --> 00:35:58,158 He made a big splash, let's put it that way. 676 00:35:58,783 --> 00:36:03,788 And I got a phone call from someone on his staff. 677 00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:07,834 Did I want to come up and visit with Rock Hudson? 678 00:36:07,917 --> 00:36:09,544 And... 679 00:36:10,378 --> 00:36:13,256 I wasn't gonna say no. 680 00:36:19,429 --> 00:36:21,765 What is there to talk about, my dear husband? 681 00:36:21,806 --> 00:36:23,663 Judith, please. You're in no condition... 682 00:36:23,683 --> 00:36:26,603 Divorce. That's what you wanna talk about, isn't it? 683 00:36:26,644 --> 00:36:28,646 Well, let me tell you right now, 684 00:36:28,688 --> 00:36:31,983 my gallant, silent suffering spouse, you'll never get one! 685 00:36:32,025 --> 00:36:35,111 Our marriage was a mistake. Yours as well as mine. 686 00:36:35,153 --> 00:36:38,803 Was it? You didn't think so when you thought I could make a gentleman out of you. 687 00:36:38,823 --> 00:36:42,786 Well, you married me and you're going to stay married to me. 688 00:36:42,827 --> 00:36:45,997 So sneak around back alleys if that's the kind of man you are. 689 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:47,832 I doubt that I could stop you. 690 00:36:50,585 --> 00:36:52,462 When he was on location 691 00:36:52,504 --> 00:36:56,174 for the epic remake of "A Farewell to Arms," 692 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:59,511 Rock's marriage to Phyllis began to fall apart. 693 00:37:02,681 --> 00:37:04,474 You're going down to town tomorrow 694 00:37:04,516 --> 00:37:06,559 and find yourself some gay young playmate. 695 00:37:06,643 --> 00:37:09,688 - I don't wanna be with anybody else, I tell you. - Yes, you do. 696 00:37:10,355 --> 00:37:12,357 Three years after she exchanged 697 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,192 marriage vows with Rock, 698 00:37:14,275 --> 00:37:16,528 Phyllis files for divorce. 699 00:37:16,569 --> 00:37:18,655 Phyllis complained that he was always away. 700 00:37:18,697 --> 00:37:20,929 Well, hello. You're married to a major movie star 701 00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:24,119 who's shooting films in exotic locations. 702 00:37:24,202 --> 00:37:27,539 She really took him to the cleaners when she divorced him. 703 00:37:27,622 --> 00:37:29,374 He lost practically everything. 704 00:37:29,416 --> 00:37:32,544 He had a sailboat that was his pride and joy, 705 00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:34,879 and he had to sell that to pay her off. 706 00:37:34,921 --> 00:37:37,632 And, uh, he was really angry about that. 707 00:37:37,716 --> 00:37:41,386 In a memoir published two years after Rock's death, 708 00:37:41,469 --> 00:37:43,221 Phyllis claimed that 709 00:37:43,304 --> 00:37:45,223 she was entirely duped, 710 00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:47,350 manipulated into participating 711 00:37:47,392 --> 00:37:49,436 in this sham marriage with Rock. 712 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,481 And she claims she had no idea that Hudson is gay, 713 00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:56,067 which is really hard to swallow, 714 00:37:56,109 --> 00:38:00,071 given the fact that virtually every bit player, makeup man, 715 00:38:00,113 --> 00:38:02,198 assistant gofer at Universal, 716 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,368 knew the score about Rock Hudson. 717 00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:07,704 How did she possibly miss the memo? 718 00:38:07,746 --> 00:38:10,915 It's just kind of inconceivable. 719 00:38:22,218 --> 00:38:23,595 Colonel Farr. 720 00:38:23,636 --> 00:38:25,513 I thought we could get together, 721 00:38:25,597 --> 00:38:27,515 have a cup of coffee, maybe, 722 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,184 uh, get acquainted. 723 00:38:29,267 --> 00:38:31,978 We might find we have a lot in common. 724 00:38:32,062 --> 00:38:33,438 I'm on my way. 725 00:38:37,525 --> 00:38:40,028 ♪ Pillow talk ♪ 726 00:38:40,111 --> 00:38:41,821 ♪ Pillow talk ♪ 727 00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:44,199 ♪ Another night I hear myself ♪ 728 00:38:44,282 --> 00:38:45,533 ♪ Talk, talk, talk, talk ♪ 729 00:38:45,617 --> 00:38:47,702 Look, I don't know what's bothering you, 730 00:38:47,786 --> 00:38:50,121 but don't take your bedroom problems out on me. 731 00:38:50,163 --> 00:38:51,664 I have no bedroom problems. 732 00:38:51,748 --> 00:38:54,125 There's nothing in my bedroom that bothers me. 733 00:38:54,167 --> 00:38:56,252 Oh, that's too bad. 734 00:38:56,294 --> 00:38:57,879 "Pillow Talk" seems very tame now 735 00:38:57,962 --> 00:39:02,467 by comparison with, um, today's more explicit standards. 736 00:39:02,509 --> 00:39:05,887 We almost didn't do it because it was too dirty. 737 00:39:09,182 --> 00:39:12,477 So that's the other end of your party line. 738 00:39:12,936 --> 00:39:15,814 It was fun and, and, and it was fluff, 739 00:39:15,897 --> 00:39:19,275 and it was wonderful to look at, and you laughed. 740 00:39:19,317 --> 00:39:21,444 I'm so sick of seeing the ugliness. 741 00:39:21,486 --> 00:39:22,862 We all know it's there. 742 00:39:22,946 --> 00:39:24,469 I don't hide my head in the sand 743 00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:25,949 and say that it's not there. 744 00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:29,452 But I believe that motion pictures are an escape. 745 00:39:32,414 --> 00:39:35,000 What a marvelous-looking man. 746 00:39:35,083 --> 00:39:37,794 I wonder if he's single. 747 00:39:39,421 --> 00:39:43,174 I don't know how long I can get away with this act. 748 00:39:45,969 --> 00:39:48,471 You know, the deception 749 00:39:48,513 --> 00:39:51,474 is an interesting artifact of the times. 750 00:39:51,516 --> 00:39:55,854 You have a gay actor playing a straight man 751 00:39:55,895 --> 00:39:58,481 impersonating a possibly gay man. 752 00:39:58,523 --> 00:39:59,649 It's a house of mirrors. 753 00:39:59,691 --> 00:40:01,860 Tell me about your job. 754 00:40:01,901 --> 00:40:04,362 Must be very exciting working with 755 00:40:04,404 --> 00:40:07,365 all them colors and fabrics and all. 756 00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:11,619 In those Doris Day movies, 757 00:40:11,703 --> 00:40:13,705 he's always pretending to be gay 758 00:40:13,788 --> 00:40:16,207 in order to get Doris into bed. 759 00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:18,460 That's the joke always. 760 00:40:18,543 --> 00:40:20,920 Why can't you get married? 761 00:40:21,755 --> 00:40:23,214 That's the sort of thing a man 762 00:40:23,256 --> 00:40:25,467 doesn't discuss with a nice woman. 763 00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:27,093 That was almost a device 764 00:40:27,177 --> 00:40:29,284 to keep anybody from asking questions about him. 765 00:40:29,304 --> 00:40:31,514 Ye gods, you've got cold feet! 766 00:40:31,556 --> 00:40:33,767 Complaints, complaints, nothing but complaints! 767 00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:36,019 It was kind of an evil gag, actually. 768 00:40:36,061 --> 00:40:39,814 And I hold Ross Hunter largely responsible for that, 769 00:40:39,898 --> 00:40:41,399 the producer of those films. 770 00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:44,069 I know for a fact that Ross Hunter was gay. 771 00:40:46,696 --> 00:40:48,323 Linus! 772 00:40:48,406 --> 00:40:50,575 What are you doing here? 773 00:40:51,076 --> 00:40:53,578 Where am I? 774 00:40:54,662 --> 00:40:57,707 Why, this is Jerry Webster's apartment! 775 00:40:57,749 --> 00:41:00,251 Nothing was ever talked about 776 00:41:00,335 --> 00:41:02,087 as far as his private life. 777 00:41:03,588 --> 00:41:06,466 Many, many people would ask me, 778 00:41:06,549 --> 00:41:08,927 you know, "Is Rock Hudson really gay?" 779 00:41:08,968 --> 00:41:13,556 And I said, "It's something that I will not discuss." 780 00:41:13,598 --> 00:41:17,811 I mean, first of all, I know nothing about his private life. 781 00:41:17,894 --> 00:41:20,021 And if I did, I wouldn't discuss it. 782 00:41:20,105 --> 00:41:21,231 Look at me. 783 00:41:21,272 --> 00:41:24,984 I can't. I'm too ashamed. 784 00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:26,653 Forget me, Carol. 785 00:41:26,736 --> 00:41:30,699 You deserve a man, not a mass of neurotic doubts. 786 00:41:31,324 --> 00:41:35,328 So I can't tell you one thing about him except that he is a nice man. 787 00:41:35,787 --> 00:41:37,580 You're tearing yourself apart! 788 00:41:37,622 --> 00:41:39,040 Mr. Allen. 789 00:41:39,124 --> 00:41:42,127 Let's try to be adult about this and work out 790 00:41:42,168 --> 00:41:43,883 some sort of schedule where I can... 791 00:41:43,962 --> 00:41:46,172 It's funny when I see him 792 00:41:46,256 --> 00:41:47,507 smoking in that movie, 793 00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:49,801 it was so him, because he chain smoked. 794 00:41:49,843 --> 00:41:52,470 It's like he's not even acting. 795 00:41:55,807 --> 00:41:57,475 Mark and George were 796 00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:59,310 really good friends with me 797 00:41:59,394 --> 00:42:01,104 and my partner, Al Roberts, 798 00:42:01,146 --> 00:42:02,605 and that's how I met Rock. 799 00:42:02,647 --> 00:42:05,191 And we, we just really 800 00:42:05,275 --> 00:42:06,735 hit it off because 801 00:42:06,818 --> 00:42:09,195 I didn't treat him like a movie star. 802 00:42:09,279 --> 00:42:11,906 I... We were just cool friends. 803 00:42:12,824 --> 00:42:15,660 Our social life with him was very private. 804 00:42:15,744 --> 00:42:18,663 I mean, we didn't go out to restaurants. 805 00:42:18,705 --> 00:42:20,832 We would go to Rock's house. 806 00:42:20,915 --> 00:42:23,418 It was called "The Castle." 807 00:42:23,501 --> 00:42:24,753 It was breathtaking. 808 00:42:24,836 --> 00:42:27,297 It looked like a hacienda. 809 00:42:27,339 --> 00:42:31,634 You just felt so welcome when you came to that home. 810 00:42:31,676 --> 00:42:34,721 The house was very casual. 811 00:42:34,804 --> 00:42:38,308 It wasn't stiff. And that's how he was. 812 00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:40,352 He was very, very casual. 813 00:42:40,435 --> 00:42:44,356 And then, of course, when he'd come to Laguna, it was really, really fun too. 814 00:42:45,106 --> 00:42:48,526 I think he could breathe a lot easier in Laguna. 815 00:42:48,610 --> 00:42:53,365 And because Mark and George had a home here, he did come down a lot. 816 00:42:54,157 --> 00:42:58,078 The gay beach was to the left of the lifeguard tower. 817 00:42:58,161 --> 00:43:02,791 And it was magical because you could play volleyball on the beach 818 00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:04,417 and just without a shirt on, 819 00:43:04,501 --> 00:43:06,169 just step up into the bar 820 00:43:06,211 --> 00:43:08,213 on a hot summer Sunday 821 00:43:08,254 --> 00:43:09,714 and have a beer, 822 00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:12,717 and it was very erotic. 823 00:43:12,801 --> 00:43:15,512 Yeah, I mean, like big time. 824 00:43:15,553 --> 00:43:16,753 Yeah. 825 00:43:20,183 --> 00:43:21,685 Do you love me, Mitch? 826 00:43:21,726 --> 00:43:23,269 Like a brother. 827 00:43:25,563 --> 00:43:27,440 I don't want you as a brother. 828 00:43:27,524 --> 00:43:29,901 Can't be any other way, Marylee. 829 00:43:32,404 --> 00:43:34,948 Don't... please don't... 830 00:43:35,031 --> 00:43:38,410 waste your life away waiting for me. 831 00:43:42,872 --> 00:43:45,125 You have the movie magazines 832 00:43:45,208 --> 00:43:46,751 propping up this fantasy 833 00:43:46,793 --> 00:43:49,963 that everyone is straight and looking for love and marriage, 834 00:43:50,046 --> 00:43:53,717 while the tabloids are obsessed with homosexuals 835 00:43:53,758 --> 00:43:57,303 and trying to dig up as much dirt as they can. 836 00:43:57,387 --> 00:44:00,640 This, of course, was during the era of J. Edgar Hoover. 837 00:44:00,724 --> 00:44:04,602 So there's an obsessive interest in anything homosexual. 838 00:44:04,644 --> 00:44:06,604 Policy of the department is 839 00:44:06,688 --> 00:44:09,149 that we do not employ homosexuals knowingly. 840 00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:12,736 And that if we discover homosexuals in our department, we discharge them. 841 00:44:13,903 --> 00:44:17,490 Given all that was going on in Rock Hudson's private life, 842 00:44:17,574 --> 00:44:22,370 it's not surprising that the FBI was keeping a close watch. 843 00:44:22,454 --> 00:44:25,623 The lieutenant wants to ask you some questions. 844 00:44:26,458 --> 00:44:29,085 Like where you've been spending your evenings lately, 845 00:44:29,127 --> 00:44:31,318 staying out till three and four in the morning. 846 00:44:33,631 --> 00:44:35,133 There was this catchphrase 847 00:44:35,216 --> 00:44:36,843 about "Confidential" magazine: 848 00:44:36,926 --> 00:44:40,722 "They trade in nymphos, pinkos, winos and homos." 849 00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:42,599 And it's got a subscription base 850 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,351 of three million at that point. 851 00:44:44,434 --> 00:44:46,227 It's got a huge readership. 852 00:44:46,311 --> 00:44:50,732 "Confidential" started to move in on Rock Hudson 853 00:44:50,815 --> 00:44:53,818 and Henry Willson certainly did not wanna lose 854 00:44:53,860 --> 00:44:55,111 this golden goose. 855 00:44:55,153 --> 00:44:57,238 They say that there was this tradeoff 856 00:44:57,322 --> 00:44:59,032 where Tab Hunter, who was indeed 857 00:44:59,115 --> 00:45:01,493 a Henry Willson client, was offered up 858 00:45:01,534 --> 00:45:02,869 sacrificially 859 00:45:02,952 --> 00:45:04,829 to save Rock Hudson. 860 00:45:04,913 --> 00:45:07,123 "Confidential" printed a story 861 00:45:07,165 --> 00:45:08,833 about Tab Hunter being arrested 862 00:45:08,875 --> 00:45:12,128 at what was called an "all-male pajama party." 863 00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:14,214 That kind of salacious exposé 864 00:45:14,297 --> 00:45:17,092 could wipe out an entire career. 865 00:45:17,884 --> 00:45:19,678 We being followed? 866 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,970 Probably not, 867 00:45:21,012 --> 00:45:23,348 but the general always goes on that assumption. 868 00:45:24,057 --> 00:45:27,102 It really is a miracle that Rock Hudson 869 00:45:27,185 --> 00:45:30,480 never got caught by the tabloids. 870 00:45:33,566 --> 00:45:35,610 Well, you know, I never met Rock. 871 00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:37,987 Uh, he died in October of '85, 872 00:45:38,029 --> 00:45:41,241 and I came into Lee's life in May of '86. 873 00:45:41,324 --> 00:45:45,120 Rock took that photo in the early '70s. 874 00:45:45,203 --> 00:45:47,956 That's completely in a different era. 875 00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,876 We enjoyed traveling together. 876 00:45:55,463 --> 00:45:59,426 He drove the management at Universal crazy 877 00:45:59,509 --> 00:46:02,429 by taking off, he and I, 878 00:46:02,512 --> 00:46:05,557 without telling them where he was going. 879 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,184 And they really got upset, 880 00:46:08,226 --> 00:46:11,855 and he just said, "Screw it, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do." 881 00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:24,075 We spent some time in New Orleans 882 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,037 and the Ford Motor Company lent him 883 00:46:27,078 --> 00:46:29,956 a brand-new convertible. 884 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,417 And we had a blast in that car. 885 00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:40,008 We were in Pat O'Brien's 886 00:46:40,091 --> 00:46:43,303 where they have a special drink, the Hurricane, 887 00:46:43,386 --> 00:46:48,099 and somebody came by and snapped a picture of us. 888 00:46:49,601 --> 00:46:52,771 Then they offered the picture for sale, of course, 889 00:46:52,812 --> 00:46:59,819 and we got it because this was the only picture of both of us together. 890 00:46:59,903 --> 00:47:02,322 We were ordered by Henry Willson, 891 00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:04,783 that evil agent of his, 892 00:47:04,824 --> 00:47:07,952 never to have our picture taken together 893 00:47:08,036 --> 00:47:10,622 because somebody would see it 894 00:47:10,663 --> 00:47:14,334 and know that we were gay. 895 00:47:24,135 --> 00:47:26,471 Yes, that was a lot of sneaking around. 896 00:47:26,513 --> 00:47:28,306 We'd drive up to a motel. 897 00:47:28,348 --> 00:47:31,017 I would go in and ask if there was any rooms. 898 00:47:31,101 --> 00:47:34,229 Did you get, let's say, two single beds 899 00:47:34,312 --> 00:47:37,649 or one... queen-size bed, pardon the pun? 900 00:47:37,691 --> 00:47:39,234 Or... 901 00:47:39,317 --> 00:47:40,944 Don't remember. 902 00:47:40,985 --> 00:47:42,737 Uh, but, uh... 903 00:47:42,821 --> 00:47:46,074 it ended up by being one bed. 904 00:47:59,170 --> 00:48:03,216 There should have been, but there wasn't. 905 00:48:03,299 --> 00:48:07,137 There was a part of him that was very straitlaced 906 00:48:07,178 --> 00:48:11,182 and understanding of the previous generation. 907 00:48:11,266 --> 00:48:13,852 He never mentioned, "Gee, wouldn't it be nice 908 00:48:13,935 --> 00:48:16,980 if we could just hold hands in public?" 909 00:48:17,022 --> 00:48:21,776 He was so inured of, uh... 910 00:48:21,860 --> 00:48:23,987 being closeted 911 00:48:24,029 --> 00:48:26,698 that he never mentioned it. 912 00:48:29,576 --> 00:48:31,870 Forget for a moment that I'm your doctor 913 00:48:31,911 --> 00:48:34,789 and, uh, let me give you some advice as a friend. 914 00:48:34,873 --> 00:48:36,666 Marry him. 915 00:48:37,208 --> 00:48:40,545 So, what good was your noble sacrifice? 916 00:48:40,587 --> 00:48:43,381 If you'd loved him, you'd have gone to him. 917 00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:46,676 Let's face it, you were ready for a love affair, 918 00:48:46,718 --> 00:48:48,553 but not for love. 919 00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,861 Oh, my darling! Oh, my darling. 920 00:49:04,903 --> 00:49:06,488 Are you having another nightmare? 921 00:49:06,571 --> 00:49:07,822 Uh, no, I, I... 922 00:49:07,906 --> 00:49:09,449 I'm sort of, I don't know. 923 00:49:09,532 --> 00:49:12,243 We have to talk about that thing called image, uh, 924 00:49:12,285 --> 00:49:14,204 whatever that is, uh... 925 00:49:14,245 --> 00:49:15,830 and I sort of represent 926 00:49:15,914 --> 00:49:17,499 a comedy image 927 00:49:17,582 --> 00:49:20,085 in dinner jacket or something, you know? 928 00:49:20,126 --> 00:49:21,983 It might be a lot of fun to do a horror story. 929 00:49:22,003 --> 00:49:23,505 I'd love to. 930 00:49:25,090 --> 00:49:27,133 Bold. 931 00:49:27,759 --> 00:49:30,053 Bizarre. 932 00:49:31,137 --> 00:49:33,473 Terrifying. 933 00:49:35,308 --> 00:49:38,603 Rock Hudson, in an astonishing change of pace, 934 00:49:38,645 --> 00:49:41,564 stars in "Seconds." 935 00:49:42,315 --> 00:49:46,277 It's certainly, uh, a different type of picture 936 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,656 and certainly a different role for me. 937 00:49:49,739 --> 00:49:52,033 It's almost a horror movie, 938 00:49:52,117 --> 00:49:54,202 certainly a suspenseful movie, 939 00:49:54,285 --> 00:49:56,579 and certainly very dramatic. 940 00:49:56,621 --> 00:50:01,084 Rock Hudson as a man who buys for himself a totally new life, 941 00:50:01,126 --> 00:50:03,336 a chance to begin again. 942 00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:07,090 Every man's dream since time began. 943 00:50:07,132 --> 00:50:09,467 Bandages are removed. 944 00:50:09,509 --> 00:50:12,095 I think you'll be more than pleased. 945 00:50:12,137 --> 00:50:17,017 In fact, I expect you to be prancing around here like a stud bull. 946 00:50:18,476 --> 00:50:19,894 Good work. 947 00:50:19,978 --> 00:50:22,564 Well, I tend to think that Rock Hudson understood 948 00:50:22,647 --> 00:50:27,152 that in some ways this film was reflecting the whole Hollywood star trip 949 00:50:27,235 --> 00:50:29,320 and how he had been completely transformed 950 00:50:29,404 --> 00:50:31,489 and marketed for the public. 951 00:50:31,573 --> 00:50:34,200 Uh, that couldn't have been lost on him. 952 00:50:34,284 --> 00:50:38,496 There's never a time that I don't feel at home 953 00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:43,668 in a performance by Rock Hudson except "Seconds." 954 00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:45,337 All right, son. 955 00:50:45,378 --> 00:50:47,505 He's so uncomfortable. 956 00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:52,344 There is a real shadow side here that he's playing. 957 00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:56,681 The years I've spent 958 00:50:56,765 --> 00:50:58,683 trying to get all the things 959 00:50:58,725 --> 00:51:01,895 I was told were important, 960 00:51:01,978 --> 00:51:05,940 that I was supposed to want... 961 00:51:06,024 --> 00:51:09,027 and California was the same. 962 00:51:09,110 --> 00:51:10,403 They... 963 00:51:10,487 --> 00:51:12,697 made the same decisions for me 964 00:51:12,781 --> 00:51:13,981 all over again. 965 00:51:14,032 --> 00:51:16,826 And they were the same things, really. 966 00:51:18,161 --> 00:51:21,956 Hey, John, why are they staring at me like that? 967 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,500 They know. 968 00:51:23,541 --> 00:51:27,337 They know what? 969 00:51:27,379 --> 00:51:30,006 They're like you. 970 00:51:30,048 --> 00:51:32,717 Oh, Nora! 971 00:51:33,343 --> 00:51:35,804 Hudson's performance is astonishing. 972 00:51:35,887 --> 00:51:40,016 Is Rock Hudson kind of decoding himself on screen? 973 00:51:40,058 --> 00:51:42,185 Yeah, it certainly looks like it. 974 00:51:42,227 --> 00:51:46,564 It's a weird thing to make your living 975 00:51:46,648 --> 00:51:48,400 creating characters. 976 00:51:48,441 --> 00:51:51,736 It's weird from my side of the camera 977 00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:54,823 and it must be even weirder on the other side 978 00:51:54,906 --> 00:51:57,909 because I think there is always a sense of like, 979 00:51:57,992 --> 00:51:59,911 "Who am I really?" You know? 980 00:52:01,705 --> 00:52:03,915 Somewhere in the man, 981 00:52:03,957 --> 00:52:07,460 there is still a key unturned. 982 00:52:08,044 --> 00:52:10,630 In order to become Rock Hudson, 983 00:52:10,714 --> 00:52:15,301 he really had to destroy Roy Fitzgerald, 984 00:52:15,385 --> 00:52:19,764 the gay boy with an inferiority complex from Winnetka. 985 00:52:19,806 --> 00:52:23,768 But even if millions of fans are believing the lie, 986 00:52:23,852 --> 00:52:28,606 Roy Fitzgerald still knows the truth about Rock Hudson. 987 00:52:28,690 --> 00:52:32,610 Wait a minute, what's happening? 988 00:52:32,652 --> 00:52:36,448 When "Seconds" first came out, it was trashed. 989 00:52:36,531 --> 00:52:39,993 Nobody wanted to see Rock Hudson depressed. 990 00:52:40,076 --> 00:52:42,287 What's really sad to me about Rock's career 991 00:52:42,328 --> 00:52:43,580 is that the audiences 992 00:52:43,621 --> 00:52:46,249 don't like it when Rock Hudson steps out of, 993 00:52:46,291 --> 00:52:48,918 kind of, the way that they prefer to see him. 994 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,756 They don't want to see him do anything radically different. 995 00:52:59,012 --> 00:53:00,638 Being an actor, 996 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,975 there are so many disappointments and frustrations, 997 00:53:04,059 --> 00:53:06,895 and you think, "Hell, what am I doing all this for? 998 00:53:06,978 --> 00:53:09,336 I'm gonna hop the next freight out of town," or whatever. 999 00:53:09,356 --> 00:53:12,150 You get blue and you get whatever. 1000 00:53:12,233 --> 00:53:14,194 And I think that because of that, 1001 00:53:14,277 --> 00:53:17,447 I think "this too shall pass" works for me. 1002 00:53:18,073 --> 00:53:21,618 "This too shall pass" is a great consolation, 1003 00:53:21,659 --> 00:53:25,997 I mean, in terms of what, crises or adverse reviews or anything? 1004 00:53:26,081 --> 00:53:29,459 Yes, anything negative. Any, you know... 1005 00:53:33,171 --> 00:53:35,507 I was born in Iowa, 1006 00:53:35,548 --> 00:53:38,677 and then I came to Los Angeles and never left. 1007 00:53:38,718 --> 00:53:39,969 Why? 1008 00:53:40,011 --> 00:53:42,555 Well, I went to my first gay bar. 1009 00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:46,393 It was in, uh, Long Beach at a drag bar. 1010 00:53:46,476 --> 00:53:49,145 I didn't particularly like the drag queens, 1011 00:53:49,187 --> 00:53:53,900 but I sure liked the fact that there was somebody in this world 1012 00:53:53,983 --> 00:53:55,360 that was gay besides me. 1013 00:53:57,445 --> 00:54:00,198 How did you meet Rock Hudson? 1014 00:54:00,281 --> 00:54:01,908 I don't know what year it was, 1015 00:54:01,991 --> 00:54:06,204 but one of my best friends brought him over for dinner. 1016 00:54:06,246 --> 00:54:09,582 We played bridge all the time. 1017 00:54:09,666 --> 00:54:12,711 We, uh, did a lot of things together. 1018 00:54:12,794 --> 00:54:16,798 I took trips with him and we went skiing. 1019 00:54:16,881 --> 00:54:21,219 I watched "Giant" more times than I care to remember. 1020 00:54:22,637 --> 00:54:26,349 Those were good times that can't be repeated. 1021 00:54:26,391 --> 00:54:29,561 I felt closer to him than anybody else. 1022 00:54:29,644 --> 00:54:31,563 If you say, "Who's your closest friend?" 1023 00:54:31,646 --> 00:54:34,941 I mean, his name would come out first, I think. 1024 00:54:35,567 --> 00:54:37,902 Tab Hunter was a good friend of mine, 1025 00:54:37,944 --> 00:54:39,487 but he wasn't very social. 1026 00:54:39,571 --> 00:54:41,573 He didn't like a crowd, 1027 00:54:41,614 --> 00:54:43,908 but it didn't bother Rock. 1028 00:54:44,576 --> 00:54:47,287 At that time, nobody lived openly. 1029 00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:49,205 He wanted to. 1030 00:54:49,247 --> 00:54:52,417 I ran a hospital laboratory, you know. 1031 00:54:52,459 --> 00:54:55,545 I can walk into any place and nobody knows who I am, 1032 00:54:55,587 --> 00:54:58,423 but he couldn't do any of that. 1033 00:54:58,506 --> 00:55:00,800 Yeah. That bothered him. 1034 00:55:04,929 --> 00:55:06,264 Well, he had boyfriends. 1035 00:55:06,348 --> 00:55:10,185 They were mostly young and pretty, 1036 00:55:10,268 --> 00:55:13,938 and showed huge baskets. 1037 00:55:14,773 --> 00:55:18,401 I don't recall him ever having a very long relationship 1038 00:55:18,443 --> 00:55:20,779 with anybody, 1039 00:55:20,862 --> 00:55:22,989 other than friends. 1040 00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,119 - Yeah. - Oh, okay. 1041 00:55:28,203 --> 00:55:32,290 Rock had a sizable dick, 1042 00:55:32,374 --> 00:55:35,126 but he tried to put that thing up my ass 1043 00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:37,212 and I couldn't do it. 1044 00:55:40,757 --> 00:55:42,906 For a while, you had the whole field to yourself. 1045 00:55:42,926 --> 00:55:44,886 - For a while you were the... - I did? 1046 00:55:44,969 --> 00:55:46,169 - Oh, yes. - Did I? 1047 00:55:46,221 --> 00:55:48,014 Oh, yes, yes. Am I right? 1048 00:55:48,098 --> 00:55:50,642 There was only, you know, Rock Hudson, pant-pant... 1049 00:55:50,725 --> 00:55:52,811 And a lot of "ugs." 1050 00:55:52,894 --> 00:55:55,752 You know, the Pacinos and the strangies were coming up, and then... 1051 00:55:55,772 --> 00:55:58,108 Well, you know what I'm saying. 1052 00:55:58,149 --> 00:56:01,633 You don't say my, you know, "I wanna be on a desert island with Al Pacino," 1053 00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:03,822 you know, we'll talk, but, um... 1054 00:56:03,863 --> 00:56:07,054 Does it ever upset you when you're in something like the "Enquirer"? 1055 00:56:07,075 --> 00:56:08,493 Uh, no. I don't read it, so... 1056 00:56:08,535 --> 00:56:10,392 I read it all the time. You're always in it. 1057 00:56:10,412 --> 00:56:12,247 - Am I? - Yeah. 1058 00:56:12,330 --> 00:56:14,020 First, I had asked him whether the press 1059 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,085 had ever really hurt him, and it was interesting. 1060 00:56:17,168 --> 00:56:19,818 He said, "Yes, it was a terrible review I received in London." 1061 00:56:19,838 --> 00:56:22,257 I said, "You mean that was the worst thing 1062 00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:24,843 that the press has ever done to you, Rock?" 1063 00:56:24,926 --> 00:56:26,845 And he said, "Yes," and I remember 1064 00:56:26,928 --> 00:56:30,473 it was very difficult for me to face, look into his eyes. 1065 00:56:30,515 --> 00:56:34,602 And I said, "Could you explain to us 1066 00:56:34,686 --> 00:56:38,690 what happened between you and Mr. Jim Nabors?" 1067 00:56:39,524 --> 00:56:42,235 In 1971, 1068 00:56:42,318 --> 00:56:43,820 a couple of gay guys said, 1069 00:56:43,862 --> 00:56:48,366 "Wouldn't it be fun if we sent out these invitations 1070 00:56:48,450 --> 00:56:50,535 "to a fabricated wedding 1071 00:56:50,577 --> 00:56:54,789 between Rock and 'Gomer Pyle' star Jim Nabors?" 1072 00:56:54,873 --> 00:56:59,002 And the tipoff that this is like an over-the-top gay Fantasia 1073 00:56:59,044 --> 00:57:02,547 is that Truman Capote would be officiating 1074 00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:04,674 and Liberace would be providing 1075 00:57:04,716 --> 00:57:06,760 the musical accompaniment. 1076 00:57:06,843 --> 00:57:09,929 And the story starts to spread like wildfire. 1077 00:57:10,013 --> 00:57:12,807 The story lands on the front page 1078 00:57:12,891 --> 00:57:14,893 of the "National Examiner." 1079 00:57:14,976 --> 00:57:16,624 Now I've read some pretty weird things about you 1080 00:57:16,644 --> 00:57:18,563 in the fan magazines. 1081 00:57:18,646 --> 00:57:21,441 Uh, have you ever filed a libel suit for anything 1082 00:57:21,524 --> 00:57:24,861 that's ever been written or said about you? Have you wanted to? 1083 00:57:25,945 --> 00:57:28,073 And why didn't you? I've always wondered. 1084 00:57:28,114 --> 00:57:30,825 Because it calls attention to it and only makes it worse. 1085 00:57:30,909 --> 00:57:34,496 Aside from the McCarthy era nonsense that went on in the '50s, 1086 00:57:34,579 --> 00:57:37,457 I think that this was one of the worst stories 1087 00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:39,793 that ever emanated from a community. 1088 00:57:39,876 --> 00:57:42,921 He has never done a bad thing to anyone. 1089 00:57:42,962 --> 00:57:45,590 It would be terrific to say the guy is 1090 00:57:45,674 --> 00:57:47,926 "you know what," but he is not. 1091 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,846 What's funny is tabloids aren't leaking a story 1092 00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:55,100 about one of Rock's real gay relationships. 1093 00:57:55,141 --> 00:57:58,561 They're leaking it about a completely fabricated 1094 00:57:58,603 --> 00:58:01,398 and fantasized one. 1095 00:58:01,439 --> 00:58:04,526 March 1st, 1974. 1096 00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:06,945 - Rock, how are you? - I'm fine. 1097 00:58:06,986 --> 00:58:08,927 Haven't talked to you in a very long time. 1098 00:58:08,947 --> 00:58:10,615 I know it. I know it. 1099 00:58:10,657 --> 00:58:12,659 - And you've been busy. - Yeah. 1100 00:58:12,742 --> 00:58:16,329 My friend would like very much to meet you one of these days 1101 00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:17,699 if you have some free time. 1102 00:58:17,747 --> 00:58:19,207 Tell me about him. 1103 00:58:19,290 --> 00:58:21,876 He works at Paramount and he's, uh... 1104 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,088 - oh, 6'2", I guess, something like that. - Yeah. 1105 00:58:25,171 --> 00:58:28,258 And he works out, just an all-round good boy, you know? 1106 00:58:28,299 --> 00:58:31,928 - Uh-huh. - So I just thought I'd drop you the note 1107 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:34,973 and see if you did want to say hello to him, because, uh... 1108 00:58:35,056 --> 00:58:39,144 - Yeah. Well... - He's just a damn fun boy, you know? 1109 00:58:39,185 --> 00:58:40,520 Mm-hmm. 1110 00:58:40,603 --> 00:58:42,605 Uh-huh. 1111 00:58:42,647 --> 00:58:44,983 How's the equipment? 1112 00:58:45,025 --> 00:58:47,485 Well, the equipment is about, oh, 1113 00:58:47,527 --> 00:58:49,195 about nine inches, I guess. 1114 00:58:49,279 --> 00:58:52,365 And he's, he's, uh, very good 1115 00:58:52,449 --> 00:58:55,493 - in that department too. - Yeah. 1116 00:58:55,577 --> 00:58:58,663 - When's coming some free time for you? - Well, most any day. 1117 00:58:58,747 --> 00:59:01,875 Well, my friend, I'll get on the horn and give him your number. 1118 00:59:01,958 --> 00:59:03,960 Okey-doke. And nice talking to you. 1119 00:59:04,002 --> 00:59:05,628 - All right, thank you. - Bye-Bye. 1120 00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:09,924 Mr. Maupin, you are, um, 1121 00:59:10,008 --> 00:59:13,053 a well-known writer here in this, uh, Bay Area. 1122 00:59:13,136 --> 00:59:16,681 You have written, um, regular columns for the newspapers. 1123 00:59:16,765 --> 00:59:18,516 Your books have been published. 1124 00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,727 I guess you'd call yourself a gay writer. 1125 00:59:20,810 --> 00:59:22,771 I'm a writer who is gay. 1126 00:59:22,854 --> 00:59:25,190 My ability to write, for instance, 1127 00:59:25,231 --> 00:59:26,504 about a heterosexual romance 1128 00:59:26,524 --> 00:59:29,986 increased considerably after I was willing to acknowledge 1129 00:59:30,028 --> 00:59:32,947 the nature of my romantic involvements. 1130 00:59:33,031 --> 00:59:35,367 I met Rock when he came to San Francisco. 1131 00:59:37,077 --> 00:59:39,458 He was up doing something with "McMillan & Wife:... 1132 00:59:44,834 --> 00:59:46,753 ...and he invited a bunch of us 1133 00:59:46,836 --> 00:59:48,922 to come up to his suite at the hotel. 1134 00:59:49,005 --> 00:59:52,509 And at a certain point, he rose and said, 1135 00:59:52,550 --> 00:59:54,199 "I have a little reading I want to do." 1136 00:59:54,219 --> 00:59:58,139 And he read the first chapter of "Tales of the City" 1137 00:59:58,223 --> 01:00:00,725 to the assembled crowd. 1138 01:00:00,767 --> 01:00:03,978 It was Mary Ann, the newcomer in town, 1139 01:00:04,062 --> 01:00:06,872 telling her mother that she was gonna live in San Francisco. 1140 01:00:06,898 --> 01:00:09,150 And her mother freaks out and says, 1141 01:00:09,234 --> 01:00:10,924 "Well, you can't, but I was just watching 1142 01:00:10,944 --> 01:00:12,404 "'McMillan & Wife' last night, 1143 01:00:12,445 --> 01:00:15,407 and the place is running over with serial killers." 1144 01:00:16,241 --> 01:00:18,827 - You all right, Commissioner? - Yeah, I'm fine. 1145 01:00:20,286 --> 01:00:21,413 Is this the gun he used? 1146 01:00:21,454 --> 01:00:23,039 That was so bizarre. 1147 01:00:23,081 --> 01:00:27,002 You can imagine, McMillan himself was reading this to me. 1148 01:00:27,085 --> 01:00:29,379 You know, he could have been a little less drunk 1149 01:00:29,421 --> 01:00:30,621 when he read the thing, 1150 01:00:30,672 --> 01:00:33,174 but, uh, he was somewhat slurred, 1151 01:00:33,258 --> 01:00:37,846 but it was Rock Hudson reading my work. 1152 01:00:37,929 --> 01:00:40,807 I think he sort of expected it to charm the pants off of me. 1153 01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:43,685 And, uh, it more or less did. 1154 01:00:45,437 --> 01:00:48,940 We got up to the Fairmont Hotel, the Diplomat Suite, 1155 01:00:49,024 --> 01:00:52,777 and Rock led me into the living room 1156 01:00:52,861 --> 01:00:55,196 and we're sort of at each other right away. 1157 01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:00,076 And, uh, every movie I'd ever seen him in was playing before my eyes. 1158 01:01:00,118 --> 01:01:04,748 You know, I really was not up to the task. 1159 01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:06,750 I think that's the best way to put it. 1160 01:01:06,791 --> 01:01:09,627 In an effort to console me, he said, 1161 01:01:09,711 --> 01:01:12,380 "You know, I'm just a normal guy like you." 1162 01:01:12,422 --> 01:01:14,966 And I said, "And I'm Doris Day." 1163 01:01:15,050 --> 01:01:17,927 I saw him off and on after that 1164 01:01:17,969 --> 01:01:21,139 from times he would come and visit in San Francisco, 1165 01:01:21,222 --> 01:01:23,975 or he'd invite me down to "The Castle," as they called it. 1166 01:01:24,059 --> 01:01:26,353 And, uh, the friendship kind of grew 1167 01:01:26,436 --> 01:01:28,855 over that period of time. 1168 01:01:28,938 --> 01:01:31,816 But I never considered him boyfriend material 1169 01:01:31,858 --> 01:01:33,693 or he me, for that matter. 1170 01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:35,445 We were playmates. 1171 01:01:35,487 --> 01:01:38,448 And that was fine with me, just the way that worked. 1172 01:01:40,658 --> 01:01:42,420 I had a bee in my bonnet at the time. 1173 01:01:42,452 --> 01:01:44,829 I said, "You need to come out of the closet, 1174 01:01:44,871 --> 01:01:46,603 and I'm the guy that can help you with that. 1175 01:01:46,623 --> 01:01:50,752 I'll know how to do that, not in a sensationalist way." 1176 01:01:50,835 --> 01:01:54,673 And Rock listened. He was really listening to me. 1177 01:01:54,714 --> 01:01:57,842 Um, but... 1178 01:01:57,926 --> 01:02:00,470 Tom, his partner at the time, 1179 01:02:00,512 --> 01:02:03,431 said, "Not until my mother dies." 1180 01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:07,560 Um... and I thought, "What an odd thing to say." 1181 01:02:07,644 --> 01:02:09,354 If I was fucking Rock Hudson, 1182 01:02:09,437 --> 01:02:12,691 I would want my mother to know immediately. 1183 01:02:12,732 --> 01:02:16,611 Oh, it's you! I, I wasn't sure. 1184 01:02:16,695 --> 01:02:20,073 Hiding in closets isn't going to cure you. 1185 01:02:22,283 --> 01:02:24,202 Mark and George and Rock, 1186 01:02:24,244 --> 01:02:27,664 and Tom I guess, they were slightly ridiculous to me. 1187 01:02:27,706 --> 01:02:30,834 The pride they took in hiding. 1188 01:02:30,875 --> 01:02:35,088 I felt like I was a member of a new generation that wanted to show them, 1189 01:02:35,171 --> 01:02:37,716 it doesn't have to be that way. 1190 01:02:39,426 --> 01:02:42,762 In the book, I depicted a guy that was kind of fascinated 1191 01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:44,431 by the idea of gay liberation, 1192 01:02:44,514 --> 01:02:46,037 but couldn't quite do it himself. 1193 01:02:46,057 --> 01:02:48,727 I tried to capture his humanity, 1194 01:02:48,810 --> 01:02:51,521 his big, sweet, loving heart. 1195 01:02:51,563 --> 01:02:53,106 And I think I did. 1196 01:02:53,189 --> 01:02:55,296 I often did that, uh, with "Tales of the City." 1197 01:02:55,316 --> 01:02:59,029 I sometimes put real people into it with their permission. 1198 01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:01,656 I knew he wasn't gonna give me my permission, 1199 01:03:01,740 --> 01:03:04,367 so I just did it and blanked out the name 1200 01:03:04,451 --> 01:03:06,244 in the Victorian tradition. 1201 01:03:06,578 --> 01:03:08,788 I'm so glad I did, actually, 1202 01:03:08,872 --> 01:03:12,292 because I established that character in the books 1203 01:03:12,375 --> 01:03:17,088 before Rock died, saying, this person exists, 1204 01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:19,257 but he can't show you who he is 1205 01:03:19,299 --> 01:03:22,093 because his life is shut off in this way. 1206 01:03:22,177 --> 01:03:26,264 Hey, Freddy, you're really gonna love San Francisco. 1207 01:03:26,306 --> 01:03:27,557 Yeah? 1208 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:30,518 I want you to know you can change your mind at any time. 1209 01:03:30,602 --> 01:03:32,354 Ah, don't worry about me, baby. 1210 01:03:32,437 --> 01:03:35,190 I've been missing the ring. I'm ready for a little action. 1211 01:03:35,273 --> 01:03:37,233 That about does it, Commissioner. 1212 01:03:37,275 --> 01:03:39,944 Yeah, sure does. 1213 01:03:39,986 --> 01:03:42,447 - Thanks. - You're welcome, sir. 1214 01:03:42,489 --> 01:03:45,450 - See you in the shower. - Okay, baby. 1215 01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:57,754 I probably wasn't wearing a bathing suit. 1216 01:03:59,255 --> 01:04:02,550 I was working a lot all through the '70s 1217 01:04:02,634 --> 01:04:04,719 in various gay rights issues. 1218 01:04:04,803 --> 01:04:06,846 And I was the point person 1219 01:04:06,930 --> 01:04:08,620 for international and national media 1220 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:14,104 who came to San Francisco to do stories about gay rights. 1221 01:04:15,146 --> 01:04:19,192 Fairly early on in having met Rock, I suggested that, 1222 01:04:19,275 --> 01:04:23,988 "Maybe you'd like to go out and to a sex club." 1223 01:04:24,030 --> 01:04:25,949 "Oh, well, of course." 1224 01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:27,325 There was no hesitation. 1225 01:04:27,367 --> 01:04:30,495 Like, "Are you sure? No, I shouldn't..." No. 1226 01:04:30,537 --> 01:04:33,498 So there was this place down on Sixth Street 1227 01:04:33,581 --> 01:04:34,916 called The Glory Holes. 1228 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,752 And so we go in and we walk around 1229 01:04:37,794 --> 01:04:40,672 and sort of explain how it all works. 1230 01:04:40,714 --> 01:04:43,174 And there was a balcony 1231 01:04:43,258 --> 01:04:45,760 that you could go up above 1232 01:04:45,844 --> 01:04:49,014 and look out over the whole enterprise. 1233 01:04:49,097 --> 01:04:52,517 You can see all the traffic around the aisleways. 1234 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:57,689 And so we watched Rock walk around and go in a booth 1235 01:04:57,772 --> 01:04:59,858 and you could hear this scream, 1236 01:04:59,941 --> 01:05:02,360 "Oh, my God, it's Rock Hudson!" 1237 01:05:02,444 --> 01:05:04,946 And it went all throughout the place. 1238 01:05:04,988 --> 01:05:07,512 It obviously didn't bother him because we didn't leave, 1239 01:05:07,532 --> 01:05:10,577 and we stayed, stayed quite a while. 1240 01:05:11,578 --> 01:05:16,958 I think he became so comfortable with the dual life, 1241 01:05:17,042 --> 01:05:20,712 but I think that he found a way to be comfortable with both lives. 1242 01:05:20,754 --> 01:05:23,882 - You've gotta tell them the truth. - Do you know what'll happen? 1243 01:05:23,923 --> 01:05:25,842 I know it'll mean you'll lose your job 1244 01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:27,574 and your customers and everything, but... 1245 01:05:27,594 --> 01:05:28,970 you've got to do that. 1246 01:05:29,054 --> 01:05:30,869 Once you start fooling people, you have to go on 1247 01:05:30,889 --> 01:05:33,266 and keep on fooling them and, and... 1248 01:05:33,350 --> 01:05:37,562 you're too nice a guy to, to, to be a phony 1249 01:05:37,604 --> 01:05:39,898 and keep on being a phony. 1250 01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:45,258 You know, Hollywood at night can be a fascinating place, 1251 01:05:45,278 --> 01:05:48,448 but Hollywood in the daytime can be a lot of fun too. 1252 01:05:48,531 --> 01:05:51,368 Come on, follow me and I'll show you what I mean. 1253 01:05:52,327 --> 01:05:54,537 Rock had a contact. 1254 01:05:54,579 --> 01:05:56,790 Somebody in West Hollywood that could round up 1255 01:05:56,873 --> 01:05:59,751 gorgeous men at a moment's notice. 1256 01:05:59,834 --> 01:06:02,837 I knew a lot of folks in the community. 1257 01:06:02,921 --> 01:06:04,130 I had a lot of friends. 1258 01:06:04,214 --> 01:06:05,737 And so I would just call up, you know, 1259 01:06:05,757 --> 01:06:08,343 whoever I'd get my hands on that was available 1260 01:06:08,426 --> 01:06:10,325 and say, "Here's the deal, here's the address, 1261 01:06:10,345 --> 01:06:12,013 "show up, it'll be a lovely time, 1262 01:06:12,097 --> 01:06:14,954 "and you can have a nice day swimming and carrying on with drinks, 1263 01:06:14,974 --> 01:06:16,935 and you'd get to meet Rock." 1264 01:06:17,018 --> 01:06:20,563 Then it would just be chaise lounges 1265 01:06:20,605 --> 01:06:23,149 and boys in the pool. 1266 01:06:23,233 --> 01:06:25,443 It was clothing optional. 1267 01:06:25,485 --> 01:06:28,947 And a lot of 'em, fortunately, did take the option. 1268 01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:34,285 You know, even for an ordinary gay man like me, 1269 01:06:34,327 --> 01:06:36,204 that was an amazing thing to see 1270 01:06:36,287 --> 01:06:37,936 all these beauties gathered around the pool. 1271 01:06:37,956 --> 01:06:40,397 If you're gonna have a party with a bunch of young men, 1272 01:06:40,417 --> 01:06:42,440 you want to bring up the eye candy, if you will. 1273 01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:45,547 It was a lot of beefcake, 1274 01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:48,550 and it would last all afternoon. 1275 01:06:48,633 --> 01:06:51,177 Endless, you know, food and drink, 1276 01:06:51,261 --> 01:06:55,098 and Rock sort of just strolling through. 1277 01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:56,340 It was theater. 1278 01:07:06,151 --> 01:07:10,864 In 1976, I was cast in a play called "John Brown's Body." 1279 01:07:10,947 --> 01:07:14,784 It starred Rock Hudson, Claire Trevor, and Leif Erickson. 1280 01:07:14,826 --> 01:07:20,665 It was a really beautiful mix of music and dance and vocal. 1281 01:07:20,707 --> 01:07:24,544 So that's, you know, that's how I came to meet Rock Hudson. 1282 01:07:24,627 --> 01:07:28,465 Armies of shadows and the shadow-sound. 1283 01:07:28,506 --> 01:07:32,177 ♪ Captain Ball was a Yankee slaver ♪ 1284 01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:33,553 ♪ Blow, blow... ♪ 1285 01:07:33,636 --> 01:07:38,183 He really showed a lot of people something new, 1286 01:07:38,224 --> 01:07:42,020 and it felt good to him as a performer on stage. 1287 01:07:42,103 --> 01:07:44,981 He was really happy. 1288 01:07:45,023 --> 01:07:48,318 It was supposed to be a fabulous big tour, 1289 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,197 and we had a lot of cities set, 1290 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,744 but, um, some people started to cancel the production. 1291 01:07:57,827 --> 01:08:01,414 I think the people that wanted to see Rock Hudson 1292 01:08:01,498 --> 01:08:04,751 wanted to see "McMillan" or "Pillow Talk," 1293 01:08:04,834 --> 01:08:08,713 and the people that wanted to see "John Brown's Body," 1294 01:08:08,755 --> 01:08:12,801 because it was so lyrical in its speech, 1295 01:08:12,884 --> 01:08:15,220 wanted Laurence Olivier. 1296 01:08:16,763 --> 01:08:20,392 We remained friends for several years afterwards. 1297 01:08:20,433 --> 01:08:22,560 He helped me start a television career 1298 01:08:22,644 --> 01:08:27,357 on the last season of "McMillan" in 1976 1299 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,026 and changed the trajectory of my life. 1300 01:08:30,068 --> 01:08:32,112 You got Big Smokey there? 1301 01:08:32,194 --> 01:08:34,072 Uh, here beside me. 1302 01:08:34,154 --> 01:08:35,740 "Big Smokey"? 1303 01:08:35,823 --> 01:08:37,742 That's you, sir. It's CB talk. 1304 01:08:37,826 --> 01:08:41,287 And he didn't cast me from a casting couch. 1305 01:08:41,371 --> 01:08:43,915 There was only one time that he ever, 1306 01:08:43,997 --> 01:08:47,585 um, asked me to possibly be intimate. 1307 01:08:47,627 --> 01:08:52,006 And I, I chose, um, the different path. 1308 01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:57,429 I was 23 and a lot cuter. 1309 01:08:58,971 --> 01:09:01,265 He was fun and then he was elegant, 1310 01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:07,063 and, you know, I only saw him pee in the bushes once. 1311 01:09:11,151 --> 01:09:14,738 Hey! What's going on here? 1312 01:09:16,613 --> 01:09:18,116 Observe. 1313 01:09:18,198 --> 01:09:20,743 Hmmph! 1314 01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:26,875 I was one of the members of the last dying gasp 1315 01:09:26,957 --> 01:09:28,335 of the studio system, 1316 01:09:28,417 --> 01:09:30,377 which was Universal Studios. 1317 01:09:30,462 --> 01:09:33,548 I'll never forget this great head of the talent department. 1318 01:09:33,631 --> 01:09:37,301 She's on the phone, "Darling, are you sitting down?" 1319 01:09:37,385 --> 01:09:39,679 And I said, "Yes, I'm sitting down." 1320 01:09:39,763 --> 01:09:44,309 She says, "Rock Hudson, you're going to be playing his son." 1321 01:09:47,645 --> 01:09:50,774 It was a 10-hour epic mini-series 1322 01:09:50,814 --> 01:09:53,484 that they were doing tons of at that time. 1323 01:09:53,568 --> 01:09:57,197 And Rock plays a designer of automobiles in Detroit. 1324 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,616 Dad, I'm telling you, I can handle this by myself. 1325 01:09:59,657 --> 01:10:01,076 I know you can. 1326 01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:02,494 I'm proud that you want to. 1327 01:10:02,535 --> 01:10:04,746 Even though you knew the rumors, 1328 01:10:04,829 --> 01:10:08,541 you still couldn't erase the false narrative 1329 01:10:08,625 --> 01:10:10,460 of that straight leading man. 1330 01:10:10,502 --> 01:10:13,421 That was the message that was given to all of us 1331 01:10:13,505 --> 01:10:15,048 growing up in that time, 1332 01:10:15,131 --> 01:10:19,302 young men, and certainly young men who aspired to be actors. 1333 01:10:19,344 --> 01:10:21,346 For gay men like me, 1334 01:10:21,429 --> 01:10:25,350 there was absolutely zero permission to be gay. 1335 01:10:25,392 --> 01:10:27,936 It was just not going to be allowed. 1336 01:10:28,019 --> 01:10:30,480 So I carried that with me. 1337 01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:35,777 Well, the time has come. You've seen the map. 1338 01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:38,363 Reagan is our projected winner. 1339 01:10:38,405 --> 01:10:41,074 A sports announcer, a film actor, 1340 01:10:41,157 --> 01:10:42,575 a governor of California. 1341 01:10:42,659 --> 01:10:45,328 We have projected Ronald Reagan the winner. 1342 01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:47,831 Did you ever think a few years ago 1343 01:10:47,872 --> 01:10:50,500 that Ronald Reagan, fellow actor, would be president? 1344 01:10:50,542 --> 01:10:52,544 I mean, is that, an actor being president? 1345 01:10:52,585 --> 01:10:54,671 - No, I, I didn't. - Pretty amazing, huh? 1346 01:10:54,713 --> 01:10:56,798 Yeah, it's terrific, as a matter of fact. 1347 01:10:56,881 --> 01:10:58,758 Well, Rock was a Republican. 1348 01:10:58,842 --> 01:11:00,802 I can't believe it, but he was. 1349 01:11:00,885 --> 01:11:03,722 Yeah, but that was a different generation Republican. 1350 01:11:03,763 --> 01:11:05,223 Yes. 1351 01:11:05,306 --> 01:11:08,601 Uh, he was a Republican primarily because 1352 01:11:08,685 --> 01:11:11,062 he was friends with Nancy Reagan. 1353 01:11:11,146 --> 01:11:12,939 Apparently pretty close friends. 1354 01:11:13,023 --> 01:11:17,777 But she couldn't get Reagan to say anything about AIDS 1355 01:11:17,861 --> 01:11:22,782 until finally at one point he gave in. 1356 01:11:22,866 --> 01:11:24,743 But that was after... 1357 01:11:24,826 --> 01:11:28,204 - That was after he died, I think, right? - After he died. 1358 01:11:28,246 --> 01:11:29,723 The Centers for Disease Control 1359 01:11:29,748 --> 01:11:32,125 reports that six gay men in Los Angeles 1360 01:11:32,208 --> 01:11:35,086 have fallen ill from a strange and mysterious pneumonia. 1361 01:11:35,128 --> 01:11:39,174 Scientists at the National Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta today 1362 01:11:39,257 --> 01:11:40,884 released the results of a study, 1363 01:11:40,925 --> 01:11:44,763 which shows that the lifestyle of some male homosexuals 1364 01:11:44,804 --> 01:11:47,807 has triggered an epidemic of a rare form of cancer. 1365 01:11:47,891 --> 01:11:49,642 Researchers are now studying 1366 01:11:49,726 --> 01:11:51,416 blood and other samples from the victims, 1367 01:11:51,436 --> 01:11:53,418 trying to learn what is causing the disease. 1368 01:11:53,438 --> 01:11:55,774 So far, they have had no luck. 1369 01:11:55,815 --> 01:11:58,530 Rock, can you believe the things that are happening today? 1370 01:11:58,568 --> 01:12:00,653 Oh, it's pretty crazy, all right. 1371 01:12:00,737 --> 01:12:03,865 I mean, the way everyone dresses, the lifestyles, 1372 01:12:03,948 --> 01:12:05,200 the, the new morality. 1373 01:12:05,283 --> 01:12:07,577 Yeah. Maybe we're getting old. 1374 01:12:07,619 --> 01:12:10,288 Look, Rock, if you can't say anything constructive... 1375 01:12:10,372 --> 01:12:12,665 Okay... 1376 01:12:12,749 --> 01:12:13,541 I'm getting old. 1377 01:12:13,625 --> 01:12:14,959 That's constructive. 1378 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,715 When you consider Rock Hudson's 1379 01:12:20,799 --> 01:12:23,968 overwork, stress, chain smoking, 1380 01:12:24,052 --> 01:12:25,428 the alcohol intake... 1381 01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:27,430 - You wanna smoke a cigarette? - Yes. 1382 01:12:27,472 --> 01:12:29,120 Why do you wanna smoke a cigarette? 1383 01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:31,617 It's not good for you, but you can smoke a cigarette. 1384 01:12:31,643 --> 01:12:32,874 - You want a lecture? - Yeah. 1385 01:12:32,894 --> 01:12:35,271 - Okay. You got it. - I'm thinking of quitting. 1386 01:12:35,313 --> 01:12:37,045 - And then you'll do it? - I have to quit. 1387 01:12:37,065 --> 01:12:41,027 All of that results in quintuple bypass surgery 1388 01:12:41,111 --> 01:12:42,821 in 1981. 1389 01:12:42,862 --> 01:12:45,136 I don't know if I could ask everybody to let us see your scar. 1390 01:12:45,156 --> 01:12:47,867 But I don't think that's the right thing to do. 1391 01:12:47,951 --> 01:12:50,517 You're looking really terrific. When are you going back to work? 1392 01:12:50,537 --> 01:12:52,330 I think around mid-January. 1393 01:12:52,831 --> 01:12:55,041 By 1982, 1394 01:12:55,125 --> 01:12:56,626 we saw how devastating 1395 01:12:56,668 --> 01:12:58,837 AIDS could be for a person, 1396 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,130 how people developed 1397 01:13:00,171 --> 01:13:03,049 one infection after another 1398 01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:05,260 and kind of just wasted away, 1399 01:13:05,343 --> 01:13:06,761 in front of us. 1400 01:13:06,845 --> 01:13:08,555 And it was very frightening. 1401 01:13:08,638 --> 01:13:10,265 There was little happening 1402 01:13:10,348 --> 01:13:12,434 in the way of a public response. 1403 01:13:12,517 --> 01:13:15,812 There was no money available to do research. 1404 01:13:15,854 --> 01:13:18,148 You are raising the possibility 1405 01:13:18,231 --> 01:13:21,631 that people are dismissing it because it strikes mostly the gay community? 1406 01:13:21,651 --> 01:13:24,779 There is no question in my mind, if this were happening to you 1407 01:13:24,863 --> 01:13:27,012 and the white, straight, middle-class community, 1408 01:13:27,032 --> 01:13:29,784 it would've been attended to a long time ago. 1409 01:13:29,868 --> 01:13:34,164 There was all this conservative religious overtones 1410 01:13:34,205 --> 01:13:35,540 in the Reagan administration 1411 01:13:35,623 --> 01:13:39,544 where evangelicals had elected Ronald Reagan 1412 01:13:39,627 --> 01:13:42,130 and in his cabinet were people 1413 01:13:42,213 --> 01:13:43,923 who essentially said, 1414 01:13:44,007 --> 01:13:45,550 "Do nothing." 1415 01:13:48,303 --> 01:13:51,014 By this time, Rock had made a lot of money 1416 01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:52,557 working in television. 1417 01:13:52,599 --> 01:13:54,476 He was loaded. 1418 01:13:54,559 --> 01:13:57,771 But old friends Mark and George, not so much. 1419 01:13:57,854 --> 01:14:00,899 George Nader had glaucoma and had stopped acting. 1420 01:14:00,982 --> 01:14:04,903 So Rock hired Mark Miller to be his personal secretary. 1421 01:14:04,986 --> 01:14:07,489 That not only rescued Nader and Miller financially, 1422 01:14:07,572 --> 01:14:12,911 but it would also guarantee that his closest friends would remain close. 1423 01:14:12,952 --> 01:14:16,581 And of course, through all of this, Nader is keeping his diaries, 1424 01:14:16,664 --> 01:14:19,084 which are a veritable gold mine 1425 01:14:19,167 --> 01:14:22,796 of eyewitness accounts. 1426 01:14:22,879 --> 01:14:27,133 Thursday, May 31st, 1984. 1427 01:14:27,217 --> 01:14:29,260 Mark called at 7 a.m. 1428 01:14:29,344 --> 01:14:30,845 Something seriously wrong! 1429 01:14:30,929 --> 01:14:33,264 Nancy Reagan sent photos from the dinner party 1430 01:14:33,348 --> 01:14:35,975 with a note saying that Rock must have that pimple 1431 01:14:36,059 --> 01:14:37,477 on his neck checked. 1432 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,104 It showed up in the photos. 1433 01:14:39,187 --> 01:14:41,773 Otherwise, the photos are great of Nancy, Ronnie, 1434 01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:43,316 and Rock at the dinner. 1435 01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,402 Rock back to Beverly Hills. 1436 01:14:45,443 --> 01:14:46,903 Mark insisted that Rock 1437 01:14:46,945 --> 01:14:48,947 go to see the doctor immediately. 1438 01:14:48,988 --> 01:14:51,741 He agreed. Mark made an appointment. 1439 01:14:51,783 --> 01:14:54,432 Let me begin with the latest figures from Los Angeles County. 1440 01:14:54,452 --> 01:14:57,706 Today they show 56 new cases of AIDS 1441 01:14:57,789 --> 01:14:59,874 diagnosed here locally last month. 1442 01:14:59,958 --> 01:15:03,420 That brings the national total now to about 10,000 cases 1443 01:15:03,461 --> 01:15:05,672 cases of AIDS. 1444 01:15:05,755 --> 01:15:08,842 Tuesday, June 5th, 1984. 1445 01:15:08,925 --> 01:15:12,554 Mark called and asked me to note the time and date 1446 01:15:12,637 --> 01:15:14,305 of all of the following: 1447 01:15:14,389 --> 01:15:18,476 At 2:25 p.m., driving Rock home from the doctor's, 1448 01:15:18,518 --> 01:15:23,773 he was told by Rock that Rock has AIDS and possible cancer. 1449 01:15:23,815 --> 01:15:27,569 A lymph gland in his neck had just been removed. 1450 01:15:27,652 --> 01:15:29,821 Around 6:30 p.m.-ish, 1451 01:15:29,863 --> 01:15:31,990 I dialed Rock at The Castle and said, 1452 01:15:32,073 --> 01:15:35,118 if there was anything at all, let me know. 1453 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,079 He said, the only thing was silence. 1454 01:15:38,163 --> 01:15:40,999 I said, "Of course," and thought, 1455 01:15:41,082 --> 01:15:43,523 "Who in the hell am I gonna call and talk about it to?'" 1456 01:15:43,543 --> 01:15:46,588 Are you the big macho type that nothing's gonna get? 1457 01:15:46,671 --> 01:15:48,298 No, not at all. Not at all. 1458 01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:52,385 I am, I have, like everybody else, weaknesses and strengths. 1459 01:15:52,469 --> 01:15:54,179 But... 1460 01:15:54,262 --> 01:15:58,683 one of the strengths, I suppose, perhaps stupidly so, 1461 01:15:58,767 --> 01:16:01,102 is that I will not be sick. 1462 01:16:01,186 --> 01:16:03,730 I will not be dependent upon anybody else, 1463 01:16:03,813 --> 01:16:06,358 and I simply won't have it. 1464 01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:08,443 In 1984, 1465 01:16:08,526 --> 01:16:10,195 I was asked to see 1466 01:16:10,278 --> 01:16:12,072 a celebrity patient, 1467 01:16:12,155 --> 01:16:16,034 Rock Hudson, and determined in fact that he did have AIDS. 1468 01:16:16,076 --> 01:16:20,580 I guided him as best I could and sent him to France 1469 01:16:20,663 --> 01:16:24,709 to participate in a clinical trial of an antiviral drug. 1470 01:16:26,836 --> 01:16:30,131 Most people are born gulls and judge a man by his dress. 1471 01:16:30,215 --> 01:16:32,550 We live in a world of phantasmagoria, 1472 01:16:32,634 --> 01:16:34,678 false forms and false faces. 1473 01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:37,389 Each man wears a mask against his fellows. 1474 01:16:37,472 --> 01:16:39,432 Well, have you nothing to say? 1475 01:16:39,516 --> 01:16:41,685 Aye, gimme a light. 1476 01:16:42,102 --> 01:16:45,563 Rock Hudson was in a different league. 1477 01:16:45,605 --> 01:16:48,233 I always liked him. 1478 01:16:48,316 --> 01:16:52,445 He seemed to fulfill all the dreams that, you know, 1479 01:16:52,529 --> 01:16:55,490 I would have for a star. 1480 01:16:55,573 --> 01:16:57,742 When the time came to find 1481 01:16:57,826 --> 01:17:00,912 a person to play opposite Linda Evans, 1482 01:17:00,954 --> 01:17:03,081 I thought about Rock Hudson. 1483 01:17:03,123 --> 01:17:08,503 So I and my publicist, we flew to Paris to meet him. 1484 01:17:08,586 --> 01:17:11,006 I hadn't seen him for a few years. 1485 01:17:11,089 --> 01:17:13,925 He might have been five pounds thinner, I don't know. 1486 01:17:13,967 --> 01:17:17,095 But he seemed incredible. 1487 01:17:17,137 --> 01:17:21,224 When he turns on that smile, it's unbelievable. 1488 01:17:21,933 --> 01:17:24,769 He met us and I had the script. 1489 01:17:24,811 --> 01:17:27,731 I just wanted him to read the script and say yes. 1490 01:17:27,772 --> 01:17:31,568 And then he said, "Well, why don't we have dinner?" So I said, "Okay." 1491 01:17:31,609 --> 01:17:33,278 So we went with him, 1492 01:17:33,319 --> 01:17:35,989 and it was the most marvelous night. 1493 01:17:36,072 --> 01:17:39,951 He was so energetic and he went from restaurant 1494 01:17:39,993 --> 01:17:41,911 to bar to restaurant. 1495 01:17:41,953 --> 01:17:44,122 He kept drinking more and more vodka 1496 01:17:44,164 --> 01:17:46,458 and he got bawdier and bawdier. 1497 01:17:46,541 --> 01:17:49,586 And I thought, "Oh, my God, is this ever gonna end?" 1498 01:17:49,627 --> 01:17:51,880 He held out that whole night. 1499 01:17:51,963 --> 01:17:54,674 I mean, you have no idea what it was like. 1500 01:17:55,884 --> 01:17:58,887 And at 2:30 in the morning, he said, 1501 01:17:58,970 --> 01:18:02,265 "I read the script and I loved it and I will do it." 1502 01:18:02,766 --> 01:18:07,187 This winter finds Hudson on location with ABC's "Dynasty." 1503 01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:10,032 You've said before that you really didn't have any interest 1504 01:18:10,106 --> 01:18:12,150 in coming back to doing series television. 1505 01:18:12,233 --> 01:18:15,028 What did "Dynasty" offer that made you reconsider that? 1506 01:18:15,111 --> 01:18:17,072 Well, I'm not on every week, 1507 01:18:17,155 --> 01:18:20,408 and, uh, uh... 1508 01:18:20,492 --> 01:18:22,160 it's a good show, obviously. 1509 01:18:22,202 --> 01:18:26,373 I mean, it's, uh, very popular all over the world, 1510 01:18:26,456 --> 01:18:30,168 so why not to do six or so shows? 1511 01:18:30,251 --> 01:18:34,339 So, for six or so shows, nobody's saying exactly how many, 1512 01:18:34,381 --> 01:18:37,050 Rock Hudson is playing the role of Daniel Reece, 1513 01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:39,844 a sophisticated horse breeder with romantic designs 1514 01:18:39,886 --> 01:18:41,554 on Krystle Carrington. 1515 01:18:41,638 --> 01:18:43,515 I think he's a divine actor. 1516 01:18:43,556 --> 01:18:45,350 He's wonderfully romantic. 1517 01:18:45,433 --> 01:18:47,185 He's a lovely man. 1518 01:18:47,769 --> 01:18:49,979 Well, they told us they had 1519 01:18:50,021 --> 01:18:53,692 some superstars they were gonna have on the show, 1520 01:18:53,775 --> 01:18:57,862 which we thought, great, this is fun. 1521 01:18:57,946 --> 01:18:59,864 I, of course, was thrilled 1522 01:18:59,948 --> 01:19:02,283 because I did a "McMillan & Wife." 1523 01:19:02,367 --> 01:19:04,369 Aquarius. How do you do, Commissioner? 1524 01:19:04,452 --> 01:19:05,787 Nicole, what a lovely name. 1525 01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:08,498 And I thought, how fantastic 1526 01:19:08,581 --> 01:19:11,376 to be able to work with him again. 1527 01:19:11,418 --> 01:19:13,128 But he was so much thinner 1528 01:19:13,211 --> 01:19:16,881 and didn't look like he felt good. 1529 01:19:16,965 --> 01:19:20,010 I think he even said he'd been traveling a lot 1530 01:19:20,051 --> 01:19:22,095 and he inferred that, you know, 1531 01:19:22,178 --> 01:19:23,847 "We've all been away on a trip 1532 01:19:23,888 --> 01:19:25,807 and caught something somewhere." 1533 01:19:25,849 --> 01:19:29,394 So I went, "Oh, you know, life does that to us." 1534 01:19:29,477 --> 01:19:33,815 And, uh, that's about as much as I thought about it. 1535 01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:38,903 Wednesday, December 19th, 1984. 1536 01:19:38,945 --> 01:19:41,489 "Dynasty." Rock's debut. 1537 01:19:41,573 --> 01:19:44,534 Merry Christmas, Krystie, it's good to see you. 1538 01:19:44,576 --> 01:19:46,995 Did well, but looked bad, 1539 01:19:47,078 --> 01:19:48,788 very bad in a couple of shots. 1540 01:19:48,872 --> 01:19:50,915 I'm here to return this. 1541 01:19:52,459 --> 01:19:56,087 How dare you come back into my life after what you did. 1542 01:19:57,088 --> 01:19:59,674 Cameraman could have helped more with lighting, 1543 01:19:59,758 --> 01:20:02,427 I think, but perhaps no time. 1544 01:20:09,934 --> 01:20:13,480 Tuesday, February 5th, 1985. 1545 01:20:13,563 --> 01:20:15,023 Tonight "Dynasty," 1546 01:20:15,106 --> 01:20:18,193 and we get to watch Rock give Linda Evans a dose 1547 01:20:18,276 --> 01:20:20,945 of some virus in a kissing scene. 1548 01:20:21,029 --> 01:20:22,947 I will tape the fateful footage, 1549 01:20:22,989 --> 01:20:25,116 if not too frozen in horror, 1550 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,058 akin to watching someone receive a possible lethal injection. 1551 01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:29,601 You look more frightened than I was... 1552 01:20:29,621 --> 01:20:32,582 Morally, how guilty are we 1553 01:20:32,624 --> 01:20:37,212 for not having said something to someone, anyone? 1554 01:20:39,798 --> 01:20:42,467 Rock returned from work the day they shot the kiss scene 1555 01:20:42,509 --> 01:20:45,637 and said to Mark, "This has been the worst day of my life. 1556 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:49,474 "I used every possible type of mouthwash known to man. 1557 01:20:49,516 --> 01:20:51,142 An awful day.' 1558 01:20:51,226 --> 01:20:55,522 He also said, "I kept my mouth closed and so did she." 1559 01:20:56,564 --> 01:21:01,027 When we had that scene we had to do with the kiss, 1560 01:21:01,111 --> 01:21:03,196 that was a pivotal moment. 1561 01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:06,491 We showed up that day and shot that scene 1562 01:21:06,574 --> 01:21:10,161 and it didn't turn out like they wanted. 1563 01:21:10,203 --> 01:21:14,165 Nobody quite knew what to do. 1564 01:21:14,207 --> 01:21:17,168 I mean, I knew he could deliver that kiss. 1565 01:21:17,252 --> 01:21:19,713 It's not up to me to say anything. 1566 01:21:19,796 --> 01:21:22,298 And I let the director handle it, 1567 01:21:22,340 --> 01:21:24,592 and we did it over and we did it over. 1568 01:21:24,676 --> 01:21:27,887 And he did it consistently. 1569 01:21:30,765 --> 01:21:35,812 It makes me cry because I know he was protecting me. 1570 01:21:35,854 --> 01:21:37,897 I mean, I didn't know that at the time. 1571 01:21:37,981 --> 01:21:39,983 I was confused at the time. 1572 01:21:40,025 --> 01:21:41,860 But in thinking back, 1573 01:21:41,901 --> 01:21:45,405 part of the reason that I get so upset 1574 01:21:45,488 --> 01:21:50,035 is that he was doing everything he could do 1575 01:21:50,118 --> 01:21:52,037 to make it all right for me, in case. 1576 01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,498 'Cause nobody knew in those days about that. 1577 01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:57,292 Touches my heart. 1578 01:21:57,375 --> 01:21:59,461 Even now, when I think about it. 1579 01:22:01,421 --> 01:22:04,466 Saturday, April 6th, 1985. 1580 01:22:04,549 --> 01:22:07,218 The three of us drove through Joshua Tree 1581 01:22:07,302 --> 01:22:09,596 where Rock had never been before. 1582 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:13,308 On the way there, the old song "Mockin' Bird Hill" came on. 1583 01:22:13,433 --> 01:22:17,312 ♪ Tra-la-la twittle-dee-dee-dee, it gives me... ♪ 1584 01:22:17,395 --> 01:22:19,189 We all roared with laughter. 1585 01:22:19,230 --> 01:22:22,442 Thirty years before, the song had been our favorite, 1586 01:22:22,525 --> 01:22:25,111 and we sang it in unison with the singer on the radio. 1587 01:22:25,195 --> 01:22:27,739 ♪ Tra-la-la twittle-dee-dee-dee ♪ 1588 01:22:27,822 --> 01:22:30,408 ♪ There's peace and goodwill ♪ 1589 01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:33,328 ♪ You're welcome as the flowers ♪ 1590 01:22:33,411 --> 01:22:36,539 ♪ On Mockin' Bird Hill... ♪ 1591 01:22:36,581 --> 01:22:38,583 By the time we finished the song, 1592 01:22:38,625 --> 01:22:39,751 we were all in tears. 1593 01:22:39,834 --> 01:22:41,628 Mark and I knew for sure 1594 01:22:41,711 --> 01:22:46,049 Rock had come down to the desert on Easter to say goodbye. 1595 01:22:46,091 --> 01:22:49,469 Even if we see him again, this is still it. 1596 01:22:49,552 --> 01:22:51,388 A farewell. 1597 01:22:56,935 --> 01:22:58,395 Hello. 1598 01:22:58,436 --> 01:22:59,813 I love my roses! 1599 01:22:59,896 --> 01:23:01,231 Well, hiya. 1600 01:23:01,272 --> 01:23:04,109 I am thrilled that you are gonna do my show. 1601 01:23:04,192 --> 01:23:06,277 - I am too. - You're my first guest. 1602 01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:08,113 - Is that right? - Very first one. 1603 01:23:08,196 --> 01:23:09,803 'Cause you're a very special guest. 1604 01:23:09,823 --> 01:23:11,616 Well, I am delighted about that. 1605 01:23:12,951 --> 01:23:14,911 The public started seeing 1606 01:23:14,953 --> 01:23:18,540 a major decline in his appearance. 1607 01:23:18,623 --> 01:23:22,919 That's when we began to understand what it was. 1608 01:23:22,961 --> 01:23:25,422 Even we thought it was AIDS. 1609 01:23:25,714 --> 01:23:27,674 All right, how did you know? 1610 01:23:27,757 --> 01:23:29,592 I saw his hand. 1611 01:23:30,218 --> 01:23:32,887 - What did you see? - The beginning of a lesion. 1612 01:23:32,971 --> 01:23:34,536 Discoloration. Softness of tissue. 1613 01:23:34,556 --> 01:23:37,100 That could have been anything... yaws, psoriasis, 1614 01:23:37,142 --> 01:23:39,310 the beginning of any ordinary skin rash. 1615 01:23:39,394 --> 01:23:41,104 What made you so certain? 1616 01:23:41,146 --> 01:23:43,148 I just knew, that's all. 1617 01:23:43,231 --> 01:23:46,651 - You mean you guessed. - No, I knew. 1618 01:23:46,735 --> 01:23:48,111 Hmm. 1619 01:23:48,153 --> 01:23:51,531 Thursday, July 18th, 1985. 1620 01:23:51,614 --> 01:23:55,994 Rock exhausted and really downhill and a mess. 1621 01:23:56,036 --> 01:23:57,871 "He looks awful," Mark says. 1622 01:23:57,954 --> 01:23:59,831 Mark broached subject of Paris, 1623 01:23:59,873 --> 01:24:01,875 got Rock to listen. 1624 01:24:01,958 --> 01:24:03,543 Rock heaved a sigh and said, 1625 01:24:03,626 --> 01:24:07,172 "Well, okay, I guess I'd better go back over there." 1626 01:24:07,255 --> 01:24:09,507 Just what is wrong with Rock Hudson? 1627 01:24:09,549 --> 01:24:11,384 Tonight, the 59-year-old actor 1628 01:24:11,468 --> 01:24:13,720 remains in a Paris hospital undergoing tests, 1629 01:24:13,803 --> 01:24:16,306 but the nature of his illness has become clouded 1630 01:24:16,348 --> 01:24:17,932 in mystery and confusion. 1631 01:24:17,974 --> 01:24:19,456 Yesterday, it was reported that Hudson 1632 01:24:19,476 --> 01:24:21,394 had liver cancer and possibly AIDS, 1633 01:24:21,478 --> 01:24:24,105 but today the hospital denied the cancer story 1634 01:24:24,189 --> 01:24:26,358 and said nothing about the AIDS rumor. 1635 01:24:26,399 --> 01:24:28,651 A spokesman just said Hudson was tired. 1636 01:24:29,444 --> 01:24:31,363 At that point, I don't know what degree 1637 01:24:31,446 --> 01:24:33,907 Rock was actually making decisions, 1638 01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:37,369 but Ross Hunter was still saying 1639 01:24:37,410 --> 01:24:42,499 Rock had anorexia and a lot of feeble excuses. 1640 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,419 After collapsing at the Ritz, 1641 01:24:46,503 --> 01:24:49,964 Hudson is rushed to the American Hospital of Paris. 1642 01:24:50,048 --> 01:24:52,509 And at that point, it's determined 1643 01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:54,469 that Hudson could be better cared for 1644 01:24:54,552 --> 01:24:57,180 at a nearby military hospital. 1645 01:24:57,263 --> 01:25:00,141 So Rock's publicist, Dale Olson, sends a telegram 1646 01:25:00,225 --> 01:25:01,893 to Reagan's press secretary, 1647 01:25:01,976 --> 01:25:05,313 in which he explains that time is running out for Rock. 1648 01:25:05,397 --> 01:25:08,274 And Percy Hospital will not admit him 1649 01:25:08,358 --> 01:25:10,777 because Hudson isn't a French citizen. 1650 01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:14,906 Would the White House be willing to intervene? 1651 01:25:14,948 --> 01:25:17,242 Nancy Reagan declines. 1652 01:25:18,576 --> 01:25:21,204 You know, I think that non-responsiveness 1653 01:25:21,246 --> 01:25:23,540 to the personal plea from the publicist 1654 01:25:23,581 --> 01:25:27,085 encapsulates the entire Reagan administration's 1655 01:25:27,127 --> 01:25:29,796 non-responsiveness to the epidemic. 1656 01:25:29,879 --> 01:25:34,926 His hands will be stained forever with innocent blood. 1657 01:25:39,723 --> 01:25:42,100 Nothing. He looks wonderful, I must say. 1658 01:25:42,183 --> 01:25:43,893 - Did he talk to you? - Yes, he did. 1659 01:25:43,935 --> 01:25:46,521 - What did he say? - He said, "How are you?" 1660 01:25:46,604 --> 01:25:48,773 I said, "I'm fine." 1661 01:25:49,315 --> 01:25:53,028 Thursday, July 25th, 1985. 1662 01:25:53,111 --> 01:25:55,780 Big day in Paris, France. 1663 01:25:55,822 --> 01:25:59,617 The orchestrated ruination of Rock Hudson's life. 1664 01:26:02,037 --> 01:26:03,872 I was sent to his room 1665 01:26:03,955 --> 01:26:06,207 to read the statement and have his approval. 1666 01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:10,128 And that's one of the weirdest things I did in my life, 1667 01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:14,007 because I know that if Rock would've been strong enough 1668 01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:17,886 to decide not to tell the world that he had AIDS, he would do it. 1669 01:26:18,595 --> 01:26:23,975 He looked at my eyes and, uh, he say, 1670 01:26:24,017 --> 01:26:25,643 "That's what they want, Yanou. 1671 01:26:25,685 --> 01:26:28,480 Go and give that to the dogs." 1672 01:26:28,521 --> 01:26:32,484 Mr. Rock Hudson has Acquired 1673 01:26:32,567 --> 01:26:35,028 Immunodeficiency Syndrome... 1674 01:26:36,404 --> 01:26:38,656 ...which was diagnosed 1675 01:26:38,740 --> 01:26:40,784 over a year ago 1676 01:26:40,825 --> 01:26:42,452 in the United States. 1677 01:26:42,535 --> 01:26:45,330 Mark watched and listened from a lounge 1678 01:26:45,413 --> 01:26:48,500 and sobbed all the way through Yanou's statement. 1679 01:26:48,541 --> 01:26:52,128 When it was over, he went up and told Rock. 1680 01:26:52,212 --> 01:26:56,007 Rock said, "God, what a way to end a life." 1681 01:26:56,758 --> 01:26:59,094 Is this what you call news? 1682 01:26:59,177 --> 01:27:01,179 You know what I call it? 1683 01:27:01,221 --> 01:27:03,390 I call it the dead facts. 1684 01:27:03,473 --> 01:27:05,266 The dead facts strung together 1685 01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:07,769 by a deaf-dumb-blind editor! 1686 01:27:07,852 --> 01:27:09,521 After three days of confusion 1687 01:27:09,604 --> 01:27:11,481 at the American Hospital in Paris, 1688 01:27:11,523 --> 01:27:14,025 a spokesperson for Rock Hudson... 1689 01:27:14,067 --> 01:27:15,735 ...American actor Rock Hudson... 1690 01:27:15,819 --> 01:27:18,321 ...American Hospital in Paris, France, 1691 01:27:18,363 --> 01:27:20,657 for treatment of an inoperable liver cancer... 1692 01:27:20,699 --> 01:27:24,369 I've got the story. I've got it in my aching heart, 1693 01:27:24,411 --> 01:27:26,371 and you want to know how I got it? 1694 01:27:26,413 --> 01:27:29,749 By crawling through dirt and filth 1695 01:27:29,833 --> 01:27:31,543 and muck and smut. 1696 01:27:31,584 --> 01:27:33,211 By finding truth and beauty 1697 01:27:33,294 --> 01:27:35,130 where you'd never expect to find it. 1698 01:27:35,213 --> 01:27:36,820 Another case of AIDS has been confirmed, 1699 01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,175 affecting the most well-known victim yet. 1700 01:27:39,217 --> 01:27:41,344 He forsook all earthbound vanities, 1701 01:27:41,386 --> 01:27:43,972 home, family and love. 1702 01:27:44,055 --> 01:27:45,255 Why? 1703 01:27:45,306 --> 01:27:47,392 Because deep down he knew 1704 01:27:47,475 --> 01:27:49,394 that a man without blood in his veins 1705 01:27:49,436 --> 01:27:52,480 has got to fall down sooner or later. 1706 01:27:52,564 --> 01:27:54,524 Actor Rock Hudson has AIDS, 1707 01:27:54,566 --> 01:27:56,735 Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome. 1708 01:27:57,944 --> 01:27:59,571 I feel empty. 1709 01:28:00,905 --> 01:28:02,105 Dead. 1710 01:28:02,157 --> 01:28:03,700 I just feel dirty. 1711 01:28:03,742 --> 01:28:04,942 I feel unclean. 1712 01:28:06,161 --> 01:28:08,705 Filthy business we're in. 1713 01:28:11,041 --> 01:28:13,043 Time will wash it clean. 1714 01:28:13,626 --> 01:28:15,962 Who knows how much time there is left? 1715 01:28:18,757 --> 01:28:21,718 I do remember, uh, when I first came to New York, 1716 01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,928 I was walking through Greenwich Village 1717 01:28:24,012 --> 01:28:27,390 and I passed a newsstand and the headline said, 1718 01:28:27,432 --> 01:28:29,392 "Rock Hudson has AIDS." 1719 01:28:29,434 --> 01:28:33,313 And it... I absolutely, I stopped breathing. 1720 01:28:33,396 --> 01:28:36,358 I will never, ever, ever forget that moment 1721 01:28:36,441 --> 01:28:39,819 of just, this can't be. 1722 01:28:39,903 --> 01:28:43,490 It was everything kind of wrapped up in one. 1723 01:28:43,573 --> 01:28:46,117 It was Hollywood and the closet 1724 01:28:46,201 --> 01:28:48,286 and the fact that Rock 1725 01:28:48,370 --> 01:28:50,288 had lived his life not able 1726 01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:52,374 to express who he was. 1727 01:28:52,457 --> 01:28:53,792 And it had come to that. 1728 01:28:53,875 --> 01:28:56,252 It scared the shit out of me. 1729 01:28:56,294 --> 01:28:58,755 It made me terrified 1730 01:28:58,797 --> 01:29:02,926 of contemplating being out in the gay world, 1731 01:29:02,967 --> 01:29:09,724 and, um, that, I think, delayed my coming out. 1732 01:29:09,808 --> 01:29:11,851 What's the shocking reason 1733 01:29:11,935 --> 01:29:13,812 Rock Hudson hid his tragic illness? 1734 01:29:13,853 --> 01:29:16,314 Why has the news terrified his "Dynasty" costars? 1735 01:29:16,398 --> 01:29:18,692 - Inquiring minds want to know. - I want to know. 1736 01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:23,446 There were, to my shock, 1737 01:29:23,488 --> 01:29:25,323 people on the set 1738 01:29:25,365 --> 01:29:28,493 who wouldn't come into the makeup room when I was there. 1739 01:29:28,576 --> 01:29:29,953 There were people 1740 01:29:29,994 --> 01:29:31,496 who wouldn't work with me, 1741 01:29:31,579 --> 01:29:33,373 and so they had to change scenes 1742 01:29:33,456 --> 01:29:36,126 because I might have AIDS. 1743 01:29:37,168 --> 01:29:39,754 I had personal friends 1744 01:29:39,838 --> 01:29:42,257 who wouldn't come over to dinner. 1745 01:29:42,340 --> 01:29:44,426 I mean, people went into fear. 1746 01:29:44,509 --> 01:29:46,594 Tremendous fear. 1747 01:29:46,678 --> 01:29:48,680 I was never afraid I would have AIDS, 1748 01:29:48,722 --> 01:29:52,017 no matter what they printed, what science they told me. 1749 01:29:52,058 --> 01:29:55,186 I thought, "Where's your humanity or where's your compassion? 1750 01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:58,189 You know, what's wrong with this world right now?" 1751 01:30:09,826 --> 01:30:12,162 The moment it was announced 1752 01:30:12,203 --> 01:30:13,913 that Rock had AIDS, 1753 01:30:13,997 --> 01:30:17,250 the hospital had only one concern: 1754 01:30:17,334 --> 01:30:19,711 get him out of the hospital. 1755 01:30:19,794 --> 01:30:23,131 They didn't want to have any connection, the hospital, with AIDS. 1756 01:30:23,214 --> 01:30:24,841 It was terrible, you know. 1757 01:30:24,883 --> 01:30:28,720 The only concern was, "He must go out of here." 1758 01:30:29,387 --> 01:30:32,307 And I start to call the airline 1759 01:30:32,390 --> 01:30:34,225 to book to fly back to LA. 1760 01:30:34,309 --> 01:30:37,979 And as soon I was giving the name of the traveler, 1761 01:30:38,063 --> 01:30:41,983 the answer was, "We don't take AIDS people on board." 1762 01:30:42,067 --> 01:30:46,154 And that's why I had to rent a plane, 1763 01:30:46,237 --> 01:30:50,450 a 747, for $250,000. 1764 01:30:50,533 --> 01:30:55,663 It was his money, and it was the only way to bring him back home. 1765 01:30:57,415 --> 01:31:01,961 I was made so aware of the silence, 1766 01:31:02,045 --> 01:31:05,882 this huge, loud silence regarding AIDS, 1767 01:31:05,924 --> 01:31:07,717 how no one wanted to talk about it, 1768 01:31:07,759 --> 01:31:10,011 no one wanted to become involved. 1769 01:31:10,095 --> 01:31:14,182 Uh, certainly no one wanted to give money or support. 1770 01:31:14,265 --> 01:31:20,146 And it so angered me that I finally thought to myself, 1771 01:31:20,230 --> 01:31:23,233 "Bitch, do something yourself." 1772 01:31:24,150 --> 01:31:28,363 I started work with Elizabeth in June of 1985 1773 01:31:28,446 --> 01:31:30,490 for the Commitment to Life event. 1774 01:31:30,573 --> 01:31:32,784 When Rock Hudson announced his illness, 1775 01:31:32,826 --> 01:31:35,036 the demand for tickets 1776 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:36,329 skyrocketed. 1777 01:31:36,413 --> 01:31:37,664 He made 1778 01:31:37,747 --> 01:31:40,625 an incredible difference 1779 01:31:40,667 --> 01:31:42,210 in our ability to raise money. 1780 01:31:42,293 --> 01:31:44,129 Once his condition became public, 1781 01:31:44,212 --> 01:31:46,798 the Hollywood community rallied around one of their own 1782 01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,134 and they turned out for a benefit to raise money 1783 01:31:49,175 --> 01:31:50,468 with which to combat AIDS. 1784 01:31:50,552 --> 01:31:52,410 A personal message from Hudson was read 1785 01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:53,805 by actor Burt Lancaster. 1786 01:31:53,847 --> 01:31:56,975 "I'm not happy that I have AIDS, 1787 01:31:57,017 --> 01:31:59,144 "but if that is helping others, 1788 01:31:59,185 --> 01:32:01,896 "I can at least know that my own misfortune 1789 01:32:01,980 --> 01:32:04,649 has had some positive worth." 1790 01:32:05,150 --> 01:32:07,819 Just last week, Hudson himself contributed 1791 01:32:07,861 --> 01:32:10,155 $250,000 of his own money 1792 01:32:10,196 --> 01:32:12,244 to start a new foundation for AIDS research. 1793 01:32:12,323 --> 01:32:15,660 It's tragic when anybody gets sick, 1794 01:32:15,702 --> 01:32:17,662 but his announcement was 1795 01:32:17,704 --> 01:32:19,956 the most profound thing 1796 01:32:19,998 --> 01:32:22,500 that had happened at that point. 1797 01:32:22,584 --> 01:32:25,253 He put a face to it. 1798 01:32:25,295 --> 01:32:27,630 He made a lot of people realize 1799 01:32:27,672 --> 01:32:29,883 that anybody could get this. 1800 01:32:29,966 --> 01:32:32,344 It helped destigmatize a disease. 1801 01:32:32,427 --> 01:32:33,845 It's hard to say 1802 01:32:33,887 --> 01:32:37,599 that he saved anyone because no one was saved. 1803 01:32:37,682 --> 01:32:39,851 Everybody died. 1804 01:32:39,893 --> 01:32:42,645 I'll tell you one thing Rock Hudson's announcement did do, 1805 01:32:42,687 --> 01:32:44,439 it gave people hope. 1806 01:32:44,522 --> 01:32:47,359 Because they were hopeless. 1807 01:32:53,531 --> 01:32:55,784 He got the diagnosis. 1808 01:32:55,867 --> 01:32:58,203 I was totally shocked. 1809 01:32:58,286 --> 01:33:01,581 Famous people don't get sick, 1810 01:33:01,664 --> 01:33:06,878 uh, in my world of fantasy. 1811 01:33:09,881 --> 01:33:11,800 I called up there and said, 1812 01:33:11,883 --> 01:33:15,679 "I want to come see Rock before he passes." 1813 01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,723 And I was told, uh, 1814 01:33:18,765 --> 01:33:23,687 "Rock is not capable of knowing who you are 1815 01:33:23,728 --> 01:33:27,232 "and you are better remembering him 1816 01:33:27,273 --> 01:33:29,234 in a better time." 1817 01:33:30,402 --> 01:33:32,904 And in a sense, that was true. 1818 01:33:42,747 --> 01:33:47,293 So I did not go see him, uh... 1819 01:33:47,377 --> 01:33:50,046 And I wish I had. 1820 01:33:50,088 --> 01:33:53,425 I feel very guilty for not going up 1821 01:33:53,508 --> 01:33:57,220 and holding his hand one last time. 1822 01:34:02,767 --> 01:34:05,228 What is it you think we saw, Captain? 1823 01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:10,358 The face of the devil? A lost soul? The sinner? 1824 01:34:10,442 --> 01:34:12,235 That's the word, isn't it? 1825 01:34:12,277 --> 01:34:13,611 No, I didn't mean that. 1826 01:34:13,653 --> 01:34:14,904 Why not? 1827 01:34:14,946 --> 01:34:16,990 Let's call a sinner a sinner. 1828 01:34:17,073 --> 01:34:19,451 We're all sinners, aren't we, Captain? 1829 01:34:19,534 --> 01:34:22,203 Sinner or saint, isn't that the choice? 1830 01:34:24,706 --> 01:34:26,833 AIDS is primarily a disease 1831 01:34:26,916 --> 01:34:28,418 associated with homosexuals. 1832 01:34:28,460 --> 01:34:29,753 Talk of Hudson's lifestyle 1833 01:34:29,794 --> 01:34:31,129 has surfaced. 1834 01:34:31,171 --> 01:34:32,964 Hollywood columnist Rona Barrett. 1835 01:34:33,006 --> 01:34:34,883 At no time did Rock Hudson 1836 01:34:34,966 --> 01:34:38,845 ever flaunt his alleged homosexuality. 1837 01:34:41,806 --> 01:34:43,266 Rock was going 1838 01:34:43,308 --> 01:34:44,768 to die of AIDS, and then 1839 01:34:44,809 --> 01:34:46,478 the story would be told, 1840 01:34:46,519 --> 01:34:47,812 and I didn't want it 1841 01:34:47,854 --> 01:34:50,648 to be told in the way that the... 1842 01:34:50,732 --> 01:34:53,485 the people in Hollywood wanted it told. 1843 01:34:53,985 --> 01:34:56,488 So they think I'm a traitor. 1844 01:34:56,571 --> 01:34:58,907 I told you I'd be better off dead. 1845 01:34:58,990 --> 01:35:02,577 No man is better off dead, my friend. 1846 01:35:02,660 --> 01:35:05,455 They needed someone to say that he was gay. 1847 01:35:05,497 --> 01:35:07,707 Nobody would say he was gay, 1848 01:35:07,791 --> 01:35:09,125 which was interpreted 1849 01:35:09,167 --> 01:35:11,044 at the time, amongst gay men, 1850 01:35:11,127 --> 01:35:12,921 as a sign of loyalty to someone. 1851 01:35:13,004 --> 01:35:14,756 But it wasn't for me. 1852 01:35:14,798 --> 01:35:18,093 I had to make the decision at that point in my life. 1853 01:35:18,176 --> 01:35:21,471 Uh, I'm supposed to tell the truth about this. 1854 01:35:21,513 --> 01:35:24,432 So I did an interview saying, 1855 01:35:24,516 --> 01:35:25,684 "Of course, he was gay. 1856 01:35:25,725 --> 01:35:27,435 "Everybody in Hollywood knew it 1857 01:35:27,519 --> 01:35:29,604 "and it has to be said. 1858 01:35:29,688 --> 01:35:31,314 And he was a lovely guy." 1859 01:35:31,356 --> 01:35:33,608 I stressed that. 1860 01:35:33,692 --> 01:35:36,528 "And anybody who acts shocked by this 1861 01:35:36,569 --> 01:35:38,405 "should just get over themselves 1862 01:35:38,488 --> 01:35:41,282 "because many, many people have died already 1863 01:35:41,366 --> 01:35:42,701 who were lovely guys." 1864 01:35:43,368 --> 01:35:46,246 Everybody had to learn at that point in history. 1865 01:35:46,329 --> 01:35:48,806 People had to learn how to behave about this subject. 1866 01:35:48,832 --> 01:35:50,834 Like grownups, you know. 1867 01:35:52,377 --> 01:35:54,462 This lamp isn't working now. 1868 01:35:54,546 --> 01:35:56,589 It's cold and it's dark. 1869 01:35:56,673 --> 01:35:57,799 All the parts are there. 1870 01:35:57,882 --> 01:35:59,300 It's a perfect light, but... 1871 01:35:59,384 --> 01:36:00,802 It's just not turned on. 1872 01:36:00,844 --> 01:36:05,306 Right. But if I turn the switch and establish contact, 1873 01:36:05,390 --> 01:36:08,268 the bulb will draw power from the powerhouse down at the dam 1874 01:36:08,351 --> 01:36:11,312 and it'll do what it was meant to do, which is to make light. 1875 01:36:11,396 --> 01:36:14,899 All right, so you're saying that people have a sort of powerhouse too. 1876 01:36:14,983 --> 01:36:17,048 Right. And when you establish contact with that, 1877 01:36:17,068 --> 01:36:18,675 you can do what you're meant to do. 1878 01:36:18,695 --> 01:36:20,697 You can fulfill your destiny. 1879 01:36:21,573 --> 01:36:25,076 The knowledge that this man, this beautiful, handsome man 1880 01:36:25,118 --> 01:36:28,079 that everyone had loved, had AIDS, 1881 01:36:28,163 --> 01:36:29,914 changed things completely. 1882 01:36:29,998 --> 01:36:33,001 It's when I approached him about coming out, uh, 1883 01:36:33,084 --> 01:36:35,628 six or seven years earlier, 1884 01:36:35,712 --> 01:36:39,924 I said, "You'll make a difference in how people perceive gay people." 1885 01:36:41,384 --> 01:36:44,304 Well, goodbye, and thanks for everything. 1886 01:36:53,730 --> 01:36:56,816 Actor Rock Hudson died today at age 59 1887 01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:59,361 after a year's struggle against AIDS disease. 1888 01:36:59,444 --> 01:37:02,030 His staff said he passed away peacefully in his sleep 1889 01:37:02,113 --> 01:37:04,282 at his home in Beverly Hills. 1890 01:37:05,283 --> 01:37:06,451 So he's dead. 1891 01:37:06,493 --> 01:37:08,953 Yes, we tried everything. 1892 01:37:15,126 --> 01:37:17,629 It's just a very sad day. 1893 01:37:17,712 --> 01:37:20,632 Don't be afraid. 1894 01:37:21,257 --> 01:37:23,885 Think of life as a shadowy place, 1895 01:37:23,968 --> 01:37:27,055 crowded with people who can't see each other very well. 1896 01:37:27,138 --> 01:37:29,412 Don't block this. Get outta here. Get outta here. 1897 01:37:29,432 --> 01:37:31,289 Get outta here. What kind of people are you? 1898 01:37:31,309 --> 01:37:33,228 Don't you have family that you love? 1899 01:37:33,311 --> 01:37:35,627 Would you like this to happen to them or to you? Get outta here. 1900 01:37:35,647 --> 01:37:38,983 Think also of a door, just beyond. 1901 01:37:40,568 --> 01:37:42,362 When that door opens... 1902 01:37:43,738 --> 01:37:45,031 we pass through 1903 01:37:45,115 --> 01:37:48,201 into a wonderful brightness. 1904 01:37:49,202 --> 01:37:50,662 When did he go, roughly? 1905 01:37:50,704 --> 01:37:51,904 Early this morning. 1906 01:37:51,955 --> 01:37:53,665 I'd say about 8:30, 9 o'clock. 1907 01:37:53,748 --> 01:37:55,834 I've gotta go. Please let me go. 1908 01:37:55,917 --> 01:37:59,004 Just a gentle step from darkness to light. 1909 01:38:00,088 --> 01:38:03,008 From darkness to light. 1910 01:38:04,634 --> 01:38:08,471 Have you anything to say for the fans? 1911 01:38:08,513 --> 01:38:11,558 Just that he was the best friend I ever had in the world 1912 01:38:11,641 --> 01:38:14,602 and we sort of grew up in this business together. 1913 01:38:15,478 --> 01:38:16,855 He... I can't. 1914 01:38:16,896 --> 01:38:18,690 Oh, it's very important, sir. 1915 01:38:23,361 --> 01:38:26,031 And the wind came from the wilderness... 1916 01:38:28,033 --> 01:38:33,955 and it carried me where man can never reach alone. 1917 01:38:46,885 --> 01:38:48,762 We lost a lot of friends. 1918 01:38:48,845 --> 01:38:51,139 I would say 150, 1919 01:38:51,222 --> 01:38:53,058 200, um, friends. 1920 01:38:53,099 --> 01:38:55,352 It was horrifying. 1921 01:38:55,393 --> 01:38:58,104 Oh, it was terrible. 1922 01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:03,568 All we did do is go to funerals and fundraisers. 1923 01:39:06,196 --> 01:39:08,073 Government funding of AIDS research 1924 01:39:08,114 --> 01:39:09,824 has increased $70 million 1925 01:39:09,908 --> 01:39:11,993 in the year since Hudson's death 1926 01:39:12,035 --> 01:39:14,829 and private fundraising for all AIDS organizations 1927 01:39:14,913 --> 01:39:16,706 has tripled. 1928 01:39:19,125 --> 01:39:23,088 His passing was incredibly profound for me. 1929 01:39:23,129 --> 01:39:25,924 And when I got home to LA, 1930 01:39:25,965 --> 01:39:29,094 I went to the Gay Men's Health Clinic 1931 01:39:29,177 --> 01:39:31,971 and I tested positive. 1932 01:39:33,014 --> 01:39:36,559 I was alone 1933 01:39:36,601 --> 01:39:38,228 and scared 1934 01:39:38,269 --> 01:39:41,106 and didn't know how to process it, 1935 01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:46,027 in 1985 when everybody, 1936 01:39:46,111 --> 01:39:48,363 all of my peers, you know, 1937 01:39:48,446 --> 01:39:51,282 people were passing constantly, 1938 01:39:51,366 --> 01:39:57,747 and of course I felt like I was going to pass as well. 1939 01:39:57,831 --> 01:40:02,627 But I started to live my life in a way 1940 01:40:02,669 --> 01:40:06,256 that I would say... 1941 01:40:07,966 --> 01:40:11,219 live life as fully as possible. 1942 01:40:11,302 --> 01:40:14,222 And I don't know how I survived or why I've survived. 1943 01:40:14,305 --> 01:40:16,808 And I keep asking God every day, you know, 1944 01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:18,101 what do you want me to do? 1945 01:40:18,143 --> 01:40:21,938 What, what is there left for me to do before I leave? 1946 01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:25,650 And I'm waiting to find out. 1947 01:40:27,652 --> 01:40:30,947 Is there anything you fear in this life at all? 1948 01:40:30,989 --> 01:40:34,117 Or the next one, I suppose? 1949 01:40:36,202 --> 01:40:38,246 I don't think so. 1950 01:40:41,041 --> 01:40:43,126 I used to, but I don't anymore. 1951 01:40:43,168 --> 01:40:48,173 And it's a very comforting feeling to not be afraid. 1952 01:40:49,758 --> 01:40:52,302 He died the death of a hero 1953 01:40:52,344 --> 01:40:55,055 and he deserves our tears. 1954 01:40:56,014 --> 01:40:59,684 So throw the dirt gently into his grave. 1955 01:41:01,603 --> 01:41:03,271 Take off your hat, 1956 01:41:04,189 --> 01:41:05,815 bow your head... 1957 01:41:07,108 --> 01:41:10,695 and read kindly his epitaph. 1958 01:41:14,574 --> 01:41:18,161 He was seen as the All-American boy. 1959 01:41:18,203 --> 01:41:19,893 When the All-American boy gets AIDS, 1960 01:41:19,913 --> 01:41:22,665 it's really changed a lot of people's attitudes. 1961 01:41:22,707 --> 01:41:25,794 When he died, longtime friend Elizabeth Taylor prayed 1962 01:41:25,877 --> 01:41:28,171 that he had not died in vain. 1963 01:41:28,713 --> 01:41:32,258 Art lives on forever. 1964 01:41:32,342 --> 01:41:36,096 Unless we find a cure for AIDS, 1965 01:41:36,179 --> 01:41:39,766 there will be no forever. 1966 01:41:39,849 --> 01:41:41,393 And we will find it. 1967 01:41:41,476 --> 01:41:44,145 We will find it together. 1968 01:41:46,064 --> 01:41:48,900 He pretty much did change the course of history around AIDS. 1969 01:41:48,942 --> 01:41:50,652 He didn't intentionally do it, 1970 01:41:50,735 --> 01:41:55,115 but there was no other star that made that kind of impact before. 1971 01:41:55,198 --> 01:41:57,742 There hasn't been one since, really. 1972 01:42:00,078 --> 01:42:04,624 It is beyond your power to change the face of destiny. 1973 01:42:04,708 --> 01:42:07,711 Outside this place, there's a great evil. 1974 01:42:07,752 --> 01:42:11,756 Men speak of hatred and sharpen the knives. 1975 01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,384 I will make you well 1976 01:42:14,426 --> 01:42:18,221 and perhaps your life will find a new sweetness. 1977 01:42:20,015 --> 01:42:23,977 You don't have to prove anything anymore. 1978 01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:28,189 You are accepted. 1979 01:42:28,273 --> 01:42:32,986 You will be in your own new dimension. 1980 01:42:35,447 --> 01:42:39,034 You'll have to go on asking yourself, 1981 01:42:39,117 --> 01:42:40,869 what's your dream? 1982 01:42:42,746 --> 01:42:44,873 What's your dream today? 1983 01:42:48,376 --> 01:42:50,211 There's an old saying: 1984 01:42:50,295 --> 01:42:53,423 "Nobody really dies till he's forgotten." 1985 01:43:06,728 --> 01:43:09,898 ♪ Barry McGuire playing "So Long, Stay Well" ♪ 1986 01:43:13,943 --> 01:43:17,989 ♪ Little boy, go ride the pale horse in the park ♪ 1987 01:43:18,073 --> 01:43:19,550 ♪ Count the golden butterflies ♪ 1988 01:43:19,574 --> 01:43:21,409 ♪ Stay out till dark ♪ 1989 01:43:21,493 --> 01:43:25,163 ♪ Never mind the grownups who sing their old song ♪ 1990 01:43:25,246 --> 01:43:26,998 ♪ So long ♪ 1991 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:29,292 ♪ Stay well ♪ 1992 01:43:29,334 --> 01:43:32,337 ♪ Love was here ♪ 1993 01:43:32,379 --> 01:43:36,007 ♪ And gone ♪ 1994 01:43:36,091 --> 01:43:39,928 ♪ Little boy, you're older, keep life while you can ♪ 1995 01:43:40,011 --> 01:43:43,848 ♪ Happy days and holidays so soon escape man ♪ 1996 01:43:43,890 --> 01:43:47,352 ♪ Soon you'll be a grownup and sing your own song ♪ 1997 01:43:47,394 --> 01:43:49,312 ♪ So long ♪ 1998 01:43:49,354 --> 01:43:51,272 ♪ Stay well ♪ 1999 01:43:51,356 --> 01:43:54,818 ♪ Love was here ♪ 2000 01:43:54,859 --> 01:43:58,029 ♪ And gone ♪ 2001 01:43:58,071 --> 01:44:02,450 ♪ Some other autumn will right all the wrongs ♪ 2002 01:44:02,534 --> 01:44:05,912 ♪ So long ♪ 2003 01:44:05,995 --> 01:44:09,958 ♪ Stay well ♪ 2004 01:44:10,041 --> 01:44:13,336 ♪ Love was here ♪ 2005 01:44:13,378 --> 01:44:15,213 ♪ And gone ♪ 153595

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