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There's a murderer.
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I keep hearing,
"The Butcher was here."
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I see blood everywhere.
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It's like I'm getting strangled,
and I wake up, and I'm gasping for air.
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I fell off a ladder.
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You're lucky
you didn't get killed.
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Yes.
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He's saying,
"There's nobody that can save this family
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from the wrath that I'm going
to bring on them
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if they don't leave
this house."
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I literally heard him say,
"She's mine, she's mine."
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I'm pissed.
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It's gotta stop.
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His ultimate goal
is to finish the killing spree
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that he started
when he was alive.
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I keep hearing,
"Murder. Murder. Murder."
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My name is Cindy Kaza.
I'm a psychic medium.
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Somebody is conjuring up the spirits
in this house, I swear to God.
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I ask questions of the dead...
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These people are grave robbers.
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...to find answers
for the living.
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I'm 100% sure that we're
dealing with something demonic.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So, when he jumps at you like
that, what happens?
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It's my job to dig up history
on every house we investigate...
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I wanna talk
about the bloodbath.
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...and dig up secrets
that wanna stay hidden.
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We've done everything
but burn the house down.
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Together, we help
terrified families...
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A man's voice said,
"I'm going to kill you."
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...decide whether
it's safe to stay...
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I let him sit
there and fight this thing.
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...or pack a bag and get out.
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His goal would be
to have you all die.
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I... I wanna go inside
and upstairs.
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Like, that is immediately
where I'm pulled.
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Okay.
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I'm gonna do some
automatic writing now.
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The family is in turmoil.
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So, this family is
at their wit's end.
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It is literally tearing
the family apart.
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They're all fighting.
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This family has, like...
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has had a really, really,
really, really difficult time.
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It's been really difficult. I...
I really feel bad for them.
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I'm in Cibolo, Texas,
just outside of San Antonio.
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I got a call from a professional
romance writer named Donalyn.
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She sounded desperate.
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Says whatever is in her house is
violent, angry and is going after her.
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Donalyn told me
she's tried everything.
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And if we can't help,
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she really thinks
her days are numbered.
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So, Donalyn, I gotta tell you.
Just driving through this neighborhood
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and then coming
into this beautiful home,
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I'm like, "How can
anybody have issues?"
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It looks nice, and, you know, it's pretty,
but it's... it's miserable to live here.
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Something... something,
won't leave me alone.
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I think it wants me dead.
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You really, really,
sincerely believe that thought?
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I really, really,
sincerely believe that.
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How much longer
can you deal with this?
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Not much longer.
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I... I'm getting an hour,
two hours of sleep a day.
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I don't enjoy the house.
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I stay on the couch down here.
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That's where you sleep?
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Yup.
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Now, I understand you're an...
You write novels, right?
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Yes.
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Now, you gotta have a pretty good
imagination for that, I would think.
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Yes. - Is your
imagination running wild
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with what's
going on here, maybe?
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I write romance, not horror.
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Okay. - If... if Brad
Pitt shows up, then, maybe.
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Okay.
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All right, so let's start
with the basics.
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Who lives in the house?
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It would be me
and my husband, Dennis...
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Okay. - ...our
daughter, Regan, she has the blue hair.
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And how old is Regan?
- She's 31.
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Okay.
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And our daughter,
Julia. She's 27.
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She doesn't live here anymore,
but she grew up here.
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All right, Donalyn,
do me a favor
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and, just give me a list of
what you guys are experiencing.
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We hear strange sounds,
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things move on their own,
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smell cigar smoke,
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I see, apparitions,
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and, I've been
physically attacked.
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I just wanna back up
one thing, the cigar smoke.
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I don't get that too often.
What's that all about, you think?
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I think it's
my grandfather, Ben.
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This is him?
- Yes.
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He's a handsome man.
- Yes.
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Were you close with him?
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Yeah. He raised me.
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My grandparents adopted us
and raised us.
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Okay, so he was like a father
to you? - He was my father, yeah.
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Is he still with us or...
- No, he passed away in '82.
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How did he pass?
- Cancer.
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So, you took it hard.
I mean, you were young when he passed.
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I took it really hard.
My life fell apart after he passed.
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Okay, do you think
he's still here?
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I would love to think that,
um, that he checks on me,
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you know, and stuff like that.
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I also hope he's passed on
to the other side.
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I see a...
a man, like, sitting...
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on that bench over there.
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And he's lighting,
like, a cigar.
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But he's harmless.
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I feel like he died from cancer.
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I feel like he's connected to the...
the woman who lives here.
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I'm wondering if it's her
father or the grandfather.
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But he's really worried
about the kids in the house.
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There's so much anger and
aggression happening in this house.
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He's worried that the family
is going to split apart.
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It's not safe.
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He... he's saying, like,
they need to get out of this house.
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Things are... are really
going downhill fast.
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So, why did you bring me
in this kitchen? What's the story?
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Down here in this area,
we argue a lot.
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You and your husband?
- Yeah.
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Couples fight all the time, right?
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Why is this paranormal?
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Something comes over me
and I snap.
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I'm convinced it's this house.
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So, you mentioned that your daughter,
Regan, just moved back in, right?
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Any changes in her moods?
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She's withdrawn.
She just hangs out in her room a lot.
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Is that her,
or is this something new?
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No, Regan's a very outgoing,
you know, sparkly person
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and, you know...
- So, it's not her.
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No, it's not her.
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So, anything else?
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Sometimes, when I try
to open the cabinet door,
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it feels like something's
trying to push it shut.
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You can open it,
and it actually feels
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like there's a hand
that's pushing it closed.
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Do me a favor.
Show me how hard we're talking about.
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Here, go ahead.
- Really? - Yes.
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That hard?
- Yes.
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So, it's like,
either somebody's pushing on it,
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or somebody's trying to pull it back.
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Interesting. I can't
even debunk that.
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I mean, how do
you live like this?
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You... you don't.
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So, I'm just stuck. I'm, like...
This is my prison.
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There's a lot of
poltergeist activity in this room.
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It's loud, really loud.
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The drawers, things are opening,
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I see papers flying,
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and I... I do think
stuff happens in the kitchen.
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I... I was hearing, like,
plates shattering and glasses shattering.
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I keep seeing an image
of somebody
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having, like, a huge,
like, gash on their hand.
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Actually, I think
these cabinets, like,
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sometimes, you'll come down
here, and they're just open.
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So, I gotta tell you, this is
one of the nicest bedrooms I've been in.
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But you told me that you're
sleeping downstairs on the couch.
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Yeah. - What the
hell's keeping you out of here?
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If I'm up here,
a lot of times, I...
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It's like I'm getting strangled,
and I wake up, and I'm gasping for air.
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Did you actually feel
like you had hands around you?
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I was asleep.
I didn't feel anything
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other than waking up startled
and coughing and gasping for air.
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And my hands were
pulling something away.
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Okay, do you suffer from asthma
or any COPD or anything like that?
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No.
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Look, I'm not sure
if that's paranormal,
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but we'll just have to
see what Cindy says. - Okay.
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All right, anything else?
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I've been scratched, um,
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this actually happened
downstairs on the couch.
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Let me see your nails
real quick.
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All right, you can...
you can scratch somebody with these.
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Could it have been a bad dream
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and you just
kinda scratched yourself,
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or, like, when you were
getting choked?
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I don't think so.
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Because of the way
the scratches are...
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Right.
- ...and the burning.
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And they went away
after a few hours.
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All right, anything else?
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Well, when I was up here,
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um, something
that started happening was,
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I was being touched
inappropriately.
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Okay, so what was going on?
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I was laying on my stomach
getting ready to go to bed,
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and I just started feeling
this touching.
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Now that you're telling me that,
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it's no wonder
you're staying downstairs.
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Yeah, it really bothers me
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because we've been
married 36 years,
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and this is the first time,
other than his deployments,
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that we don't sleep together.
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It's gotta be fixed.
- It's gotta be fixed.
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There's a man here.
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He's very bad, very dangerous.
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I keep hearing, "The Butcher.
The Butcher was here."
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That's crazy.
So, in this bed,
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I'm seeing the Butcher
taking a pillow
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and trying to smother
the girl that sleeps here.
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I'm worried for her health,
for her safety.
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I see her having marks on her
body like she's been abused.
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She's had bruises,
um, more than one time.
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Like, three fingerprints
or a handprint.
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Different parts of the body.
The lower back, I feel, the legs...
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You know, he's definitely...
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He's definitely putting his hands
on her and creating bruises.
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So, Dennis,
I was talking to your wife earlier.
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Your wife feels
that whatever's in this house
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wants to kill her.
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Has she told you that?
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She's... scared, definitely.
- Yeah.
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So, she mentioned
something about moods.
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Like, her getting really angry
for no reason
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and you guys fighting.
- Yes.
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You know, everything will be
upbeat and fine, nice.
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And then, for no reason,
she'll just go off,
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and the next thing you know,
we're yelling at each other.
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Are you getting the rage
that she's getting as well?
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I do get angry easier.
- Okay.
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All right,
so what can you tell me
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about any experiences
you've had?
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Let's see. One time,
we were sitting in the living room here.
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And we heard a crash
in the kitchen. And...
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you see that plaque over there that
says, "Home is where the heart is"?
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I walked in there to find it on
the other side of the island.
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That's about seven
or eight feet,
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maybe even nine feet.
- Yeah.
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I know you got a cat
running around here.
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Does the cat go up there?
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No, this was
before we had the cat.
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So, Dennis,
you're a military man.
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We're taught to be logical
in the military.
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You tell me.
What could have caused it?
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I... I can't explain it.
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I mean, I've tried to think
of every logical...
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reason or whatever you...
what could have caused it... - Right.
242
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...to fly off the microwave.
243
00:11:34,233 --> 00:11:35,647
Okay, so what else
can you tell me?
244
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Just a few weeks ago,
I fell off a ladder.
245
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What happened?
246
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I've been on the
ladder a thousand times.
247
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I don't know that I can attribute
it to something supernatural,
248
00:11:46,133 --> 00:11:48,967
but I do know
that the ladder shifted.
249
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Landed flat on my back
on the sidewalk,
250
00:11:54,926 --> 00:11:57,136
was knocked off
for a couple of minutes,
251
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went to the hospital,
broke a couple ribs,
252
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L1 through L5, broken,
253
00:12:00,867 --> 00:12:04,166
I had some bleeding
in the brain.
254
00:12:04,233 --> 00:12:05,767
You're lucky
you didn't get killed.
255
00:12:05,787 --> 00:12:07,347
Yes.
256
00:12:07,367 --> 00:12:09,447
What are your thoughts on it?
Was it an accident,
257
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or do you think it had something
to do with what's going on here?
258
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Well, the logical me wants to
think it was just an accident.
259
00:12:14,387 --> 00:12:16,166
Deep down inside,
I kinda wonder,
260
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"Is this part of what's going
on in the house," you know?
261
00:12:19,634 --> 00:12:20,934
Okay.
262
00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,166
The Butcher wants
the young woman in this room.
263
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This is really messed up.
264
00:12:31,166 --> 00:12:33,734
So, I think he wants the parents to
leave, and he wants to keep her.
265
00:12:38,367 --> 00:12:40,867
What is he specifically doing
to try and drive them out?
266
00:12:40,934 --> 00:12:44,790
So, he's trying to make
the parents fight.
267
00:12:44,810 --> 00:12:48,647
He's trying to break up
the marriage.
268
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He's saying, "There's not enough money
in the world that can save this family
269
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from the wrath that I'm going
to bring on them
270
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if they don't leave
this house."
271
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So, Regan, I understand
you moved back here, right?
272
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Yes, that's correct.
273
00:13:12,934 --> 00:13:14,066
So, how long have you been back?
274
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I've been back for a little over a year.
- Okay.
275
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Your mom said
that since you've been back,
276
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you seem kind of somber
and to yourself.
277
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Whenever you come home,
you just come up into your room.
278
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I mean, is that true?
279
00:13:26,834 --> 00:13:28,046
I mean, it is true.
280
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I do tend to just stick
to my room a lot more.
281
00:13:30,867 --> 00:13:33,467
What experiences have you had
since you moved back?
282
00:13:33,533 --> 00:13:35,246
Whenever I am alone
in the house,
283
00:13:35,266 --> 00:13:38,747
um, I feel like someone's
watching me,
284
00:13:38,767 --> 00:13:41,266
or I feel like there's
a presence in the house,
285
00:13:41,286 --> 00:13:42,747
to the point where...
286
00:13:42,767 --> 00:13:44,967
I have to get up
and go look around.
287
00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,046
Do you find anything?
288
00:13:46,066 --> 00:13:48,266
Any evidence of somebody
being in the house? - No.
289
00:13:48,286 --> 00:13:49,867
It's just, this urge.
290
00:13:49,934 --> 00:13:52,467
I feel like I need to go check
every room and every closet.
291
00:13:52,487 --> 00:13:54,547
Um, but no,
I never find anything.
292
00:13:54,567 --> 00:13:56,847
Okay, so what else
can you tell me about that?
293
00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:59,467
I heard my mom on the phone,
and she's coming out of her room,
294
00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:02,146
and as she's walking
down the stairs,
295
00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:04,980
I felt, like, this energy,
masculine presence.
296
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,347
I felt it, like, detach
and come into my room.
297
00:14:08,367 --> 00:14:11,657
And it was so intense
that I immediately turned over
298
00:14:11,677 --> 00:14:14,967
and put the covers over my
head and closed my eyes.
299
00:14:14,987 --> 00:14:16,647
And I just felt
like it was the...
300
00:14:16,667 --> 00:14:19,767
the same masculine presence just,
like, standing over me, staring at me.
301
00:14:19,834 --> 00:14:22,100
All right, so is there
anything else?
302
00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,667
About a month after I moved in,
303
00:14:24,734 --> 00:14:25,980
I had a really bad nightmare.
304
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,847
And it was interesting
because I was dreaming.
305
00:14:29,867 --> 00:14:33,467
All of a sudden,
I felt like I was ripped out of the dream.
306
00:14:33,487 --> 00:14:36,367
And next thing I know,
I'm in this pitch-black room,
307
00:14:36,387 --> 00:14:38,967
and I'm frozen on the ground,
I can't move.
308
00:14:39,033 --> 00:14:41,246
And I feel this presence.
309
00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:42,747
And it's the exact same presence
310
00:14:42,767 --> 00:14:44,873
that I felt that night
following my mom.
311
00:14:44,893 --> 00:14:46,986
So, do you think
you have abilities?
312
00:14:47,006 --> 00:14:49,080
For me, personally,
I guess I would say
313
00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:51,747
I have more of a sensitivity
to, like, energies.
314
00:14:51,767 --> 00:14:54,667
It's also something that I don't
really wanna delve deeper into
315
00:14:54,687 --> 00:14:58,000
on the off chance
that it does open up something
316
00:14:58,020 --> 00:15:00,567
I don't wanna be opened up to.
- Okay.
317
00:15:03,967 --> 00:15:05,647
The girl that lives here,
318
00:15:05,667 --> 00:15:10,533
I feel like she's been sensing
spirits for a really long time.
319
00:15:11,166 --> 00:15:13,367
She's very, very, very psychic.
320
00:15:13,433 --> 00:15:15,333
Very open.
321
00:15:16,166 --> 00:15:19,406
Her energy created
a portal in this house.
322
00:15:19,426 --> 00:15:22,647
The Butcher came in
through the portal.
323
00:15:22,667 --> 00:15:25,867
I feel like he's trying
to control her thoughts.
324
00:15:25,934 --> 00:15:28,246
He's trying to control her mood.
325
00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:30,467
It's like he's trying
to keep her trapped.
326
00:15:30,533 --> 00:15:33,567
Like, trapped in the house.
He doesn't want her to be free.
327
00:15:33,634 --> 00:15:35,367
Has her behavior changed
at all because of this?
328
00:15:35,387 --> 00:15:38,146
Definitely.
She's really withdrawn.
329
00:15:38,166 --> 00:15:40,667
She wants to get out of here.
She wants to leave.
330
00:15:40,687 --> 00:15:42,133
She's really depressed.
331
00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:46,556
He feels like if he
scares her enough,
332
00:15:46,576 --> 00:15:49,433
that she's going to be
under his control.
333
00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,447
"She's mine."
334
00:15:52,467 --> 00:15:54,747
So, he's trying to control her
335
00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:57,834
and run her life
like an abusive parent.
336
00:16:02,433 --> 00:16:04,967
So, I just got a call
from a local historian.
337
00:16:04,987 --> 00:16:06,347
She did some digging,
and it turns out,
338
00:16:06,367 --> 00:16:11,166
the first owner of Donalyn's
land was a real piece of work.
339
00:16:11,186 --> 00:16:13,166
The expert tells me
this guy was such a jerk,
340
00:16:13,186 --> 00:16:15,867
even his kids
couldn't stand him.
341
00:16:22,367 --> 00:16:23,767
All right, Lauren,
so let's get right to it.
342
00:16:23,787 --> 00:16:25,066
Who was this guy?
343
00:16:25,133 --> 00:16:27,767
So, the very first owner
of the property
344
00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:29,647
was a man named Simon Cockrell.
345
00:16:29,667 --> 00:16:31,266
What did this guy do
for a living?
346
00:16:31,286 --> 00:16:33,567
Cockrell was actually a soldier
347
00:16:33,634 --> 00:16:35,367
and fought
in the Texas Revolution.
348
00:16:35,433 --> 00:16:39,567
Okay, so when does he wind up
acquiring my client's land?
349
00:16:39,634 --> 00:16:42,747
So, in 1838,
he receives a land grant
350
00:16:42,767 --> 00:16:44,923
for participating
in the Texas Revolution.
351
00:16:44,943 --> 00:16:47,100
Okay, so how much property
did he get?
352
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,146
320 acres.
353
00:16:49,166 --> 00:16:50,456
Must have been
a hell of a soldier
354
00:16:50,476 --> 00:16:51,767
for that much property.
That's a lot.
355
00:16:51,834 --> 00:16:53,066
Most likely so.
356
00:16:53,133 --> 00:16:54,867
This guy ever have time
to get married or have kids
357
00:16:54,887 --> 00:16:56,146
or anything like that?
- Yes.
358
00:16:56,166 --> 00:16:59,867
He actually meets a local,
young, beautiful woman.
359
00:16:59,887 --> 00:17:01,033
Her name was Edna.
360
00:17:01,166 --> 00:17:04,767
But with Simon,
brutality was just a way of life for him.
361
00:17:04,787 --> 00:17:08,066
So, he proposes to her,
and he tells her,
362
00:17:08,133 --> 00:17:11,934
"Hey, if you don't marry me, then I'll
kill your father and your brothers."
363
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,467
So, Edna feels cornered.
364
00:17:15,533 --> 00:17:18,373
And she ends up
marrying Simon in 1838.
365
00:17:18,393 --> 00:17:21,233
And here's a record
of that marriage.
366
00:17:22,767 --> 00:17:25,867
Okay, so who says
romance is dead?
367
00:17:25,887 --> 00:17:26,947
Did they have any kids?
368
00:17:26,967 --> 00:17:30,066
They did. They ended up
having five children.
369
00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:34,100
But unfortunately,
with the birth of the fifth child,
370
00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,747
there was a great tragedy
371
00:17:35,767 --> 00:17:39,367
because during childbirth,
Edna dies,
372
00:17:39,433 --> 00:17:41,967
and so does her baby, Polly.
373
00:17:41,987 --> 00:17:44,447
And this leaves him
374
00:17:44,467 --> 00:17:46,507
with four children
to take care of.
375
00:17:46,527 --> 00:17:48,547
So, does he raise the kids?
376
00:17:48,567 --> 00:17:51,867
All of them except
for five-year-old Ophelia.
377
00:17:51,887 --> 00:17:52,980
Why?
378
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,767
So, young Ophelia was
described as being
379
00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,767
the spitting image
of her mother.
380
00:17:58,834 --> 00:18:01,467
- Okay. - And she was detested
by her father.
381
00:18:01,533 --> 00:18:04,347
So, he leaves her
on the side of the road
382
00:18:04,367 --> 00:18:07,834
and tells her, "If you come
back, I'm gonna kill you."
383
00:18:08,867 --> 00:18:10,967
He tells this to a five-year-old?
- Yes.
384
00:18:10,987 --> 00:18:12,667
This guy's a piece of ****.
385
00:18:12,734 --> 00:18:14,867
So, now he leaves his kid on the side of
the road. What the hell happens to her?
386
00:18:14,934 --> 00:18:18,867
Fortunately for Ophelia,
a doctor saw her, adopted her
387
00:18:18,887 --> 00:18:21,267
and took her as his own,
raised her as his own.
388
00:18:21,287 --> 00:18:23,667
You know what?
She probably did better off, right?
389
00:18:23,687 --> 00:18:26,266
She did. She actually had
a happy life.
390
00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:27,667
So, how does it end up
with this guy?
391
00:18:27,687 --> 00:18:29,547
So, in the end,
392
00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:33,306
Simon's left with nothing
but a government pension.
393
00:18:33,326 --> 00:18:37,066
Okay. - And he's forced
to move to North Texas,
394
00:18:37,133 --> 00:18:39,890
he rents a room
from a distant relative,
395
00:18:39,910 --> 00:18:42,667
and that's where he dies
at the age of 93.
396
00:18:42,687 --> 00:18:44,934
And here's his obituary.
397
00:18:46,767 --> 00:18:49,333
So, when you said on the phone this
was a bad guy, you weren't kidding.
398
00:18:52,967 --> 00:18:55,567
The Butcher is fixated
on the woman in this room.
399
00:18:57,066 --> 00:18:58,567
Any particular reason?
400
00:18:58,587 --> 00:19:00,467
She reminds him
401
00:19:00,533 --> 00:19:04,246
of a daughter that he had
when he was alive.
402
00:19:04,266 --> 00:19:07,767
There's some issue between this
father-daughter relationship
403
00:19:07,787 --> 00:19:12,166
where just the whole family
feels super dysfunctional.
404
00:19:12,767 --> 00:19:14,367
I just keep hearing him say,
405
00:19:14,433 --> 00:19:19,066
"She reminds me of a daughter
that I... that I lost."
406
00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:21,433
It's bad.
407
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,967
So, the first thing
I do whenever I start a case
408
00:19:26,987 --> 00:19:28,980
is call local law enforcement.
409
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,747
A retired Texas Ranger
just got back to me.
410
00:19:31,767 --> 00:19:34,567
He says a serial killer
used to work the area,
411
00:19:34,634 --> 00:19:36,847
and that this guy
was so sick and twisted,
412
00:19:36,867 --> 00:19:40,333
he earned himself
the nickname, The Butcher.
413
00:19:47,367 --> 00:19:50,066
Well, Tony, thanks for reaching out to me.
I appreciate it.
414
00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:52,767
All right, so this guy, The Butcher.
That's quite a nickname.
415
00:19:52,834 --> 00:19:54,200
What do we know about him?
416
00:19:54,266 --> 00:19:57,166
Well, the man we're talking
about, his name is, Joseph Ball.
417
00:19:57,186 --> 00:20:02,467
He was born in the San Antonio
area in January of 1896
418
00:20:02,487 --> 00:20:05,246
and was raised in a small town
called Elmendorf.
419
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:07,767
So, now, Tony,
most of the serial killers I've researched,
420
00:20:07,787 --> 00:20:10,066
their background
is pretty bad, you know?
421
00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:12,467
Abused kids, you know, stuff like that.
What about him?
422
00:20:12,487 --> 00:20:14,567
No, Joe came
from a prominent family,
423
00:20:14,634 --> 00:20:16,440
and Joe himself served
in World War I.
424
00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:18,266
So, none of this
is making sense to me.
425
00:20:18,333 --> 00:20:20,967
The guy comes from a prominent
family, serves his country in the war.
426
00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:22,447
When did things go bad with him?
427
00:20:22,467 --> 00:20:26,507
So, he gets back from the war,
and he gets involved in illegal bootlegging.
428
00:20:26,527 --> 00:20:30,567
Um, after Prohibition, he opens up a...
a tavern in the town of Elmendorf.
429
00:20:30,587 --> 00:20:33,017
Okay.
- Pretty seedy place,
430
00:20:33,037 --> 00:20:35,467
known for having
showgirl barmaids.
431
00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:38,000
It's also known for having
a... a pond in the back
432
00:20:38,020 --> 00:20:39,667
where Joe kept live alligators.
433
00:20:39,734 --> 00:20:43,166
And it was also rumored that
he would entertain his guests
434
00:20:43,186 --> 00:20:46,467
by feeding these alligators
live dogs and cats.
435
00:20:46,487 --> 00:20:47,413
Really?
436
00:20:47,433 --> 00:20:48,700
Yes.
437
00:20:48,767 --> 00:20:51,567
So, when does this maniac go from
killing dogs and cats to humans?
438
00:20:51,634 --> 00:20:54,967
So, in 1937, some of his
barmaids started vanishing.
439
00:20:55,033 --> 00:20:57,367
All right, so, Tony,
I can assume the cops' next step
440
00:20:57,387 --> 00:20:58,747
is to go to the tavern
to talk to him.
441
00:20:58,767 --> 00:21:01,467
Absolutely. And Ball's nervous.
- Okay.
442
00:21:01,533 --> 00:21:03,100
He asked for permission
to go behind the counter
443
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,066
and get himself a beer
to calm his nerves.
444
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:06,747
Goes behind the counter,
445
00:21:06,767 --> 00:21:09,207
reaches underneath it,
grabs a .45 pistol,
446
00:21:09,227 --> 00:21:11,667
points it to his chest,
pulls the trigger
447
00:21:11,734 --> 00:21:13,667
and drops dead
right there at the bar.
448
00:21:13,687 --> 00:21:15,447
42 years old.
449
00:21:15,467 --> 00:21:18,447
This actually became
a huge story at the time.
450
00:21:18,467 --> 00:21:20,567
All right, so, Tony,
let me ask you a question. -
451
00:21:20,634 --> 00:21:22,547
Why are they considering
this guy a serial killer?
452
00:21:22,567 --> 00:21:26,090
So, through their investigation,
they found a scrapbook of Joe's
453
00:21:26,110 --> 00:21:29,634
that had pictures in it of...
of dozens of missing women in it.
454
00:21:30,467 --> 00:21:31,647
Really?
- Correct.
455
00:21:31,667 --> 00:21:33,767
So, they believe that
he was responsible
456
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:37,066
for the death of as many as
20 women in the area.
457
00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:38,867
So, this guy's
a real psychopath.
458
00:21:38,934 --> 00:21:41,640
He's probably been killing
women for years. - Right.
459
00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:44,367
So, that's why they went and labeled
him "the Butcher of Elmendorf."
460
00:21:44,433 --> 00:21:46,867
I'm not surprised.
461
00:21:46,934 --> 00:21:49,967
I keep hearing "The
Butcher, the Butcher was here."
462
00:21:49,987 --> 00:21:51,867
So, I feel like
there's a murder.
463
00:21:51,887 --> 00:21:53,100
I see blood everywhere.
464
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:54,367
I see a knife.
465
00:21:54,433 --> 00:21:57,066
And is this something that
this person did in life,
466
00:21:57,133 --> 00:21:58,667
like, stabbing people?
- Yeah.
467
00:21:58,734 --> 00:22:00,747
Did I say the name Joe before?
468
00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:02,967
'Cause that named
"Joe" just came in.
469
00:22:02,987 --> 00:22:04,647
This man is saying to me,
470
00:22:04,667 --> 00:22:07,647
"I left a trail of terror
behind me.
471
00:22:07,667 --> 00:22:10,467
I was in the newspaper.
People wrote about me.
472
00:22:10,487 --> 00:22:12,046
They saw my face.
473
00:22:12,066 --> 00:22:15,467
I got fame from
my killing spree.
474
00:22:15,487 --> 00:22:17,647
It made me famous."
475
00:22:17,667 --> 00:22:19,847
He doesn't feel regret at all.
476
00:22:19,867 --> 00:22:22,467
He's like, "I don't feel bad
about anything that I did."
477
00:22:22,487 --> 00:22:25,867
He just feels insane.
He feels mentally ill.
478
00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:28,767
He feels like
a total psychopath.
479
00:22:28,787 --> 00:22:31,166
Just really out of his mind.
480
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,967
Why is he here?
481
00:22:35,567 --> 00:22:37,967
He wants to finish the job
he never got to finish
482
00:22:37,987 --> 00:22:39,246
when he was alive.
483
00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:41,867
He wants to finish the
killing spree that he started.
484
00:22:41,887 --> 00:22:43,034
He wants...
485
00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:47,066
He wants to finish killing.
486
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,423
For more information
on the show,
487
00:22:49,443 --> 00:22:51,066
and if you need us
to investigate
488
00:22:51,133 --> 00:22:53,667
any unexplained paranormal
activity in your home...
489
00:22:53,734 --> 00:22:57,447
Please visit travelchannel.com/
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490
00:22:57,467 --> 00:23:00,266
Click on, "Help me Dead Files"
to submit your story,
491
00:23:00,286 --> 00:23:01,567
and we'll help if we can.
492
00:23:04,367 --> 00:23:06,667
So far, I have a
professional romance writer
493
00:23:06,734 --> 00:23:08,467
terrified something's
out to get her,
494
00:23:08,533 --> 00:23:12,367
on a property where one of the original
owners terrorized his own family
495
00:23:12,387 --> 00:23:14,146
before losing everything.
496
00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:16,647
But I want to see if
there's anything else.
497
00:23:16,667 --> 00:23:18,847
Searching through old records,
I find Donalyn's land
498
00:23:18,867 --> 00:23:22,834
used to be part of an airfield where
some pretty strange accidents took place.
499
00:23:25,467 --> 00:23:27,856
I'm heading over to meet
an aviation expert
500
00:23:27,876 --> 00:23:30,266
who knows all about
these tragedies.
501
00:23:30,333 --> 00:23:34,133
He says two of the crashes happened
very close to Donalyn's house.
502
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,667
So, Mike, I appreciate you meeting
me and helping out with this case.
503
00:23:46,687 --> 00:23:48,246
Before we get to the crashes,
504
00:23:48,266 --> 00:23:50,667
what can you tell me about this airfield
that was on my client's property?
505
00:23:50,687 --> 00:23:52,667
Well, it was called
Kardys Airfield.
506
00:23:52,734 --> 00:23:55,066
And it's basically just an
uncontrolled air strip.
507
00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:56,547
Very, you know, simple aircraft
508
00:23:56,567 --> 00:23:58,856
that don't take a lot of space
to come and go and land.
509
00:23:58,876 --> 00:24:01,166
Obviously, it's not there
anymore. When did it close?
510
00:24:01,233 --> 00:24:02,847
It closed in 1999,
511
00:24:02,867 --> 00:24:07,000
and in about 2003, it got converted
over to a, housing development.
512
00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:08,467
All right, Mike,
so let's get to the crashes.
513
00:24:08,533 --> 00:24:10,467
Tell me about the first one.
Who was involved in it?
514
00:24:10,487 --> 00:24:12,766
Well, the first one was
Lieutenant Voris James,
515
00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:15,066
a Tuskegee Airman from
the Second World War.
516
00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:16,867
Okay.
- He was a B-25 pilot.
517
00:24:16,934 --> 00:24:19,140
I fact, I have a picture
of him here for you.
518
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,367
So, this guy's
a distinguished pilot.
519
00:24:21,387 --> 00:24:23,980
I mean, World War II, right?
A veteran,
520
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,867
he knew what he was doing.
What the hell happened?
521
00:24:25,887 --> 00:24:28,146
Well, it was December 8th, 1946.
522
00:24:28,166 --> 00:24:30,567
Okay. - He departed Brooks Field
on a routine training flight.
523
00:24:30,587 --> 00:24:32,347
He flew into the clouds,
524
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:35,967
and next thing we know we have eyewitness
testimony saying, "He came out of the clouds
525
00:24:36,033 --> 00:24:38,589
on a spiraling dive,
crashing to the ground,
526
00:24:38,609 --> 00:24:41,166
and, being killed
immediately on impact."
527
00:24:41,233 --> 00:24:42,467
Okay.
- In fact, I have an article that,
528
00:24:42,487 --> 00:24:44,246
recounts the story.
529
00:24:44,266 --> 00:24:46,567
How far is this
from my client's property?
530
00:24:46,634 --> 00:24:49,567
It's only about a mile
from your client's property.
531
00:24:49,634 --> 00:24:52,066
All right, so you're a
aviation investigator, right?
532
00:24:52,086 --> 00:24:54,046
I am.
- So, what do you think happened?
533
00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:57,767
Likely, he suffered something we
call "spatial disorientation,"
534
00:24:57,787 --> 00:25:02,146
where he can't reconcile
his flight path from reality,
535
00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:06,166
because the clues he's receiving from
his eyes have been cut off from him
536
00:25:06,186 --> 00:25:09,767
and the clues he's receiving
from his ears are lying to him.
537
00:25:09,787 --> 00:25:11,046
And the result of that is
538
00:25:11,066 --> 00:25:12,947
you can lose control
of the aircraft.
539
00:25:12,967 --> 00:25:16,767
So, all that combat experience did
nothing to help him out of this situation?
540
00:25:16,787 --> 00:25:18,080
Not this time.
541
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:20,066
That's a shame 'cause this guy was a hero.
- Yes.
542
00:25:20,086 --> 00:25:21,767
All right, so, Michael,
there's the second accident.
543
00:25:21,787 --> 00:25:23,046
Who's involved in that one?
544
00:25:23,066 --> 00:25:25,956
Well, in this accident, there
were two aircraft involved.
545
00:25:25,976 --> 00:25:28,867
Okay. - There was a World War
II Stearman training aircraft
546
00:25:28,887 --> 00:25:31,647
being followed by a Cessna 172.
547
00:25:31,667 --> 00:25:34,867
What they did is they hired a very famous
photographer named, Perry Shankle.
548
00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:35,947
In fact, I have
a picture of him.
549
00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:38,767
Okay. - And he was gonna
be in the Cessna 172
550
00:25:38,834 --> 00:25:40,266
taking a picture
of the Stearman.
551
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:43,490
Interestingly, he brought along
his 12-year-old daughter Michelle,
552
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:46,667
and she was in the Stearman,
the aircraft he was taking pictures of.
553
00:25:46,687 --> 00:25:48,267
All right, so what went wrong?
554
00:25:48,287 --> 00:25:49,847
So, it was June 16th, 1980.
555
00:25:49,867 --> 00:25:51,246
They took off from
Kardys Airfield.
556
00:25:51,266 --> 00:25:54,066
Okay. - They were flying
in close formation
557
00:25:54,133 --> 00:25:57,667
in order to get the pictures
and they collided.
558
00:25:57,734 --> 00:26:00,667
And the three adults on the
aircraft were all killed instantly.
559
00:26:00,687 --> 00:26:02,667
In fact, here are
their death certificates.
560
00:26:02,687 --> 00:26:04,166
All right, so the
three adults die.
561
00:26:04,233 --> 00:26:05,890
Died pretty much instantly, yes.
562
00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:07,567
Okay, so what
happened with Michelle?
563
00:26:07,587 --> 00:26:09,567
Miraculously, she survived.
564
00:26:09,634 --> 00:26:12,367
She had some head injuries
and she had some broken bones,
565
00:26:12,433 --> 00:26:14,347
but she survived the incident.
566
00:26:14,367 --> 00:26:16,266
What are the chances
of her surviving that?
567
00:26:16,286 --> 00:26:18,033
It's in the miracle category.
568
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,767
Where is this portal?
569
00:26:26,266 --> 00:26:27,433
It's there.
570
00:26:28,266 --> 00:26:29,747
It's right here.
571
00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:33,000
So, there's a bunch of random spirits
that can come in and out of a portal.
572
00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:34,467
I'm gonna do some
automatic writing,
573
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:37,634
because I wanna see if I can get
more information about this portal.
574
00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:42,246
Okay.
575
00:26:42,266 --> 00:26:44,567
So, it's caused by the digging
576
00:26:44,634 --> 00:26:47,166
underneath when they were
making the foundation.
577
00:26:47,233 --> 00:26:49,767
It created a crack,
like an opening.
578
00:26:49,834 --> 00:26:53,166
It's like something
right underneath
579
00:26:53,233 --> 00:26:55,166
this here.
580
00:27:05,266 --> 00:27:07,467
I saw a lot of disturbing
things in my walk,
581
00:27:07,487 --> 00:27:09,867
but one really stood out.
582
00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:12,333
The Butcher smothering
a living woman.
583
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,567
So, she was laying
in bed, sleeping,
584
00:27:15,587 --> 00:27:17,246
and I saw him taking a pillow
585
00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:19,967
and trying to put it
over her face.
586
00:27:19,987 --> 00:27:21,547
I didn't see his face,
587
00:27:21,567 --> 00:27:23,447
but I felt like he
had dark hair.
588
00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:25,980
And I feel like he was in his, maybe,
589
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,467
late 30s, early 40s, around that age.
590
00:27:29,487 --> 00:27:31,634
I think he was just
a little bit taller.
591
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:41,233
Cindy, this is what you saw?
592
00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:44,867
That's definitely what I saw.
593
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,767
Now that Cindy and I have
completed our investigations,
594
00:27:57,787 --> 00:28:00,467
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
595
00:28:00,487 --> 00:28:03,017
and our clients for
the first time.
596
00:28:03,037 --> 00:28:05,567
So, Cindy, I want you
to meet Donalyn.
597
00:28:05,634 --> 00:28:07,080
That's her husband Dennis.
598
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,367
They own this beautiful home.
599
00:28:09,433 --> 00:28:10,967
It's their daughter Regan,
600
00:28:11,033 --> 00:28:13,166
who recently moved back in.
- Okay.
601
00:28:13,186 --> 00:28:14,867
Now, everyone agrees
602
00:28:14,934 --> 00:28:17,146
the activity in here is bad.
603
00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:19,867
- And that
Donalyn is getting the worst of it.
604
00:28:19,934 --> 00:28:21,046
So...
605
00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:23,467
now that Cindy knows a
little bit about you guys,
606
00:28:23,533 --> 00:28:25,066
she'll tell us about her walk.
607
00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:29,947
When I first
arrived at your house,
608
00:28:29,967 --> 00:28:32,940
I immediately saw a dead guy
sitting on the porch.
609
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,934
And he was sitting in a chair
smoking a cigar.
610
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,467
And I felt like he
died of cancer
611
00:28:39,533 --> 00:28:42,166
and he was connected to
somebody in the house.
612
00:28:42,233 --> 00:28:44,390
So, I thought he might have
been a father
613
00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:46,567
or a grandfather of somebody
in the house.
614
00:28:46,587 --> 00:28:48,066
But this dead guy,
615
00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:50,490
he's a protector of the family.
616
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:52,847
And he's extremely worried,
617
00:28:52,867 --> 00:28:56,667
specifically, because there's
a lot of anger and aggression
618
00:28:56,687 --> 00:28:57,834
in this house right now.
619
00:28:59,367 --> 00:29:01,100
Well, you can see the emotion...
620
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,447
...just on Donalyn.
621
00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:05,867
This is a picture of Donalyn's
grandfather Ben... - Ooh.
622
00:29:05,934 --> 00:29:07,667
...who basically
raised her.
623
00:29:07,734 --> 00:29:09,567
He died in 1982 of cancer.
624
00:29:09,634 --> 00:29:11,266
Yes.
625
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:15,066
And Donalyn will sometimes smells
cigar smoke coming from the office.
626
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,367
He was my everything.
627
00:29:17,433 --> 00:29:20,567
So,
to know that he's here, it means a lot.
628
00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:24,166
'Cause I always wanted him
to meet Dennis and my kids
629
00:29:24,186 --> 00:29:25,647
and my grandkids,
630
00:29:25,667 --> 00:29:28,507
and things like that
that I missed out on.
631
00:29:28,527 --> 00:29:31,367
And he wants your family
to stay together.
632
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,266
Now, you mentioned he's worried
about people fighting in the house.
633
00:29:36,286 --> 00:29:38,266
Now, that's been a big issue
for these guys.
634
00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:40,867
For some reason, we just...
everything will be fine and then,
635
00:29:40,887 --> 00:29:43,447
we're screaming at each other.
636
00:29:43,467 --> 00:29:45,867
Flip a switch, you know?
It's like I'm fine
637
00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:48,567
and then, it's not even
that I rage. It's that...
638
00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:50,667
A lot of times,
I don't even remember.
639
00:29:55,667 --> 00:29:58,567
So, the next thing
that I want to discuss
640
00:29:58,587 --> 00:30:01,066
is the poltergeist activity
641
00:30:01,133 --> 00:30:03,747
that's happening in this house.
642
00:30:03,767 --> 00:30:07,467
I was hearing, like,
plates shattering and glasses shattering.
643
00:30:07,487 --> 00:30:09,347
Actually, I think these
cabinets, like,
644
00:30:09,367 --> 00:30:11,166
sometimes, they'll come down
here and they're just open.
645
00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:16,347
Let's talk about the pantry
doors opening.
646
00:30:16,367 --> 00:30:19,066
I go in there to get something
out, as I open the door,
647
00:30:19,086 --> 00:30:22,066
something's pushing it back
closed forcefully.
648
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:23,867
So, I asked her to show me
how hard it was
649
00:30:23,934 --> 00:30:26,166
and I got to be honest,
it was really hard.
650
00:30:26,186 --> 00:30:28,347
So, Dennis, do me a favor
and explain to Cindy
651
00:30:28,367 --> 00:30:30,367
what happened with the plaque
on top of the microwave.
652
00:30:30,387 --> 00:30:32,347
Yeah. So, we were
in the living room
653
00:30:32,367 --> 00:30:34,557
when we heard a crash
in the kitchen.
654
00:30:34,577 --> 00:30:36,767
And, um, when we
went to go look at
655
00:30:36,787 --> 00:30:37,933
and see what it was,
656
00:30:37,953 --> 00:30:39,080
we saw that the plaque
657
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,667
that normally sits
on top of the microwave,
658
00:30:41,734 --> 00:30:45,066
was about eight feet on the
other side of the island. - Wow.
659
00:30:45,086 --> 00:30:47,033
So, I don't know
660
00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,980
how that happened.
661
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,847
I gotta bring up your accident.
662
00:30:51,867 --> 00:30:54,767
I was out front on
an extension ladder.
663
00:30:54,787 --> 00:30:56,747
The ladder shifted pretty hard.
664
00:30:56,767 --> 00:30:59,367
And normally, I would have
caught myself,
665
00:30:59,387 --> 00:31:00,747
but I went straight down.
666
00:31:00,767 --> 00:31:02,847
Scary.
- So, I got a video of it.
667
00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:05,066
I even hesitate to show you,
but just watching it,
668
00:31:05,133 --> 00:31:07,367
the way you hit.
- It was hard.
669
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,667
My God.
670
00:31:14,734 --> 00:31:16,767
It looked like
somebody either kicked out
671
00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:18,166
one of the corners of the leg,
672
00:31:18,233 --> 00:31:20,189
or it shifted like this.
- Yeah.
673
00:31:20,209 --> 00:31:22,166
I mean, 'cause you weren't
even moving.
674
00:31:22,186 --> 00:31:23,266
No.
- No.
675
00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:25,734
Wow.
That is a hard fall.
676
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,473
Next, I wanna talk about
a living person
677
00:31:31,493 --> 00:31:33,867
who has really
heightened abilities.
678
00:31:33,934 --> 00:31:35,947
It's a living female.
679
00:31:35,967 --> 00:31:38,707
And I think she
started experiencing
680
00:31:38,727 --> 00:31:41,037
these things when
she was a small child.
681
00:31:41,057 --> 00:31:43,347
And I got that she was
really tapped in,
682
00:31:43,367 --> 00:31:47,333
but doesn't really understand
what's happening to her.
683
00:31:49,166 --> 00:31:52,166
Donalyn, you told me you've been having
experiences your whole life, right?
684
00:31:53,133 --> 00:31:54,467
You know, seeing things,
685
00:31:54,487 --> 00:31:56,066
hearing things.
686
00:31:56,133 --> 00:31:57,467
But what about you?
687
00:31:57,533 --> 00:31:58,967
Well, that's what I was...
- Yeah, I was gonna say.
688
00:31:59,033 --> 00:32:01,233
'Cause I think I'm talking
about you.
689
00:32:03,367 --> 00:32:06,867
I've seen some, I guess,
you consider shadow people.
690
00:32:06,887 --> 00:32:08,917
I've been seeing that
since I was a kid,
691
00:32:08,937 --> 00:32:11,392
and then, yeah, I definitely
have a sense
692
00:32:11,412 --> 00:32:13,847
of, energies moving
about the house.
693
00:32:13,867 --> 00:32:17,133
But I kind of chalk it all up
to my imagination.
694
00:32:19,367 --> 00:32:21,734
So, I'm definitely
talking about you.
695
00:32:24,767 --> 00:32:26,667
I don't really know
what to think about that.
696
00:32:26,734 --> 00:32:29,166
These types of abilities,
they run in families.
697
00:32:29,186 --> 00:32:30,867
So, Donalyn, you have
this ability,
698
00:32:30,934 --> 00:32:32,667
and you probably passed it
on to your daughter.
699
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,567
Did you notice activity pick
up when she moved back in?
700
00:32:36,634 --> 00:32:37,747
Yes, definitely.
701
00:32:37,767 --> 00:32:38,947
Okay.
- Yeah.
702
00:32:38,967 --> 00:32:40,066
I didn't put the two two...
- I didn't think about it,
703
00:32:40,133 --> 00:32:41,166
but yeah.
- ...together at the time.
704
00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:42,667
But yeah, definitely.
705
00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:45,747
It seemed to run in
conjunction with her.
706
00:32:45,767 --> 00:32:49,467
The two of you with your abilities,
you have really strong energy.
707
00:32:49,487 --> 00:32:51,867
And the energy created a portal.
708
00:32:53,767 --> 00:32:57,767
I had a really hard time figuring
out where it was located initially,
709
00:32:57,787 --> 00:33:00,667
but finally, I found it
in the kitchen.
710
00:33:00,734 --> 00:33:04,166
All right, so you got all these dead
people coming through this portal.
711
00:33:04,186 --> 00:33:05,667
Is that affecting these guys?
712
00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:09,567
Yes, because one of the dead
who came through this portal,
713
00:33:09,587 --> 00:33:11,066
he hasn't left.
714
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:15,590
I kept hearing, "The Butcher.
The Butcher was here."
715
00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:19,100
This guy was definitely a
murderer when he was alive.
716
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,647
100%.
717
00:33:20,667 --> 00:33:25,266
I heard him say, "I left
a trail of terror behind me."
718
00:33:25,286 --> 00:33:27,516
And a name kept popping
into my head.
719
00:33:27,536 --> 00:33:30,441
I kept hearing
the name "Joe, Joe."
720
00:33:30,461 --> 00:33:33,367
And to me, he felt
completely insane.
721
00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:35,140
Definitely a psychopath.
722
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,867
Definitely out of his mind.
723
00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:39,767
And his ultimate goal is to
finish the killings spree
724
00:33:39,787 --> 00:33:41,967
that he started
when he was alive.
725
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:44,447
Okay.
726
00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:46,567
Okay, Cindy, once
again, you're blowing me away.
727
00:33:46,587 --> 00:33:48,647
Um, there was a serial killer
728
00:33:48,667 --> 00:33:52,467
who worked in this area known
as "the Butcher of Elmendorf."
729
00:33:52,487 --> 00:33:55,406
- Really? - What?
- Yes, and his name was Joe Ball.
730
00:33:55,426 --> 00:33:57,547
My God.
- Yeah.
731
00:33:57,567 --> 00:34:00,333
Here's a picture of this
whack job right here.
732
00:34:02,767 --> 00:34:05,046
That guy's in our house?
- Yes.
733
00:34:05,066 --> 00:34:09,166
Ball didn't have the
typical serial killer resume.
734
00:34:09,186 --> 00:34:10,967
He was born in 1896,
735
00:34:11,033 --> 00:34:13,567
to a wealthy family
in San Antonio area.
736
00:34:13,587 --> 00:34:15,667
Now, this guy served
in World War I,
737
00:34:15,734 --> 00:34:18,367
but something wasn't right
with this guy when he got back.
738
00:34:18,387 --> 00:34:19,980
He opened up a seedy bar.
739
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,867
He built an alligator pond
out back of the bar,
740
00:34:22,887 --> 00:34:24,567
and he would throw
live cats and dogs
741
00:34:24,634 --> 00:34:26,467
inside to entertain the crowd.
742
00:34:26,533 --> 00:34:28,734
What?
- Yeah.
743
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:31,046
So now, in 1937,
744
00:34:31,066 --> 00:34:34,667
several of Joe's barmaids started
mysteriously disappearing.
745
00:34:34,734 --> 00:34:37,467
So now, when the cops came
to his bar to question him,
746
00:34:37,487 --> 00:34:39,867
he walked behind at the bar,
pulled out a .45,
747
00:34:39,934 --> 00:34:41,347
put it to his chest,
748
00:34:41,367 --> 00:34:43,467
shot himself and he laid
there dead.
749
00:34:43,533 --> 00:34:45,080
After his suicide,
750
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,146
a detective found a
scrapbook of Joe's.
751
00:34:47,166 --> 00:34:50,100
It contained photos of dozens
of missing women.
752
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,347
Ultimately,
753
00:34:51,367 --> 00:34:55,567
police came to believe he killed
as many as 20 local women.
754
00:34:55,587 --> 00:34:56,847
My God.
755
00:34:56,867 --> 00:34:59,207
I knew there was something bad.
I just didn't know how bad.
756
00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:02,037
All right.
So what does this maniac do to these guys?
757
00:35:02,057 --> 00:35:04,867
He definitely makes people feel
like they're being watched.
758
00:35:04,934 --> 00:35:07,246
Especially the women, for sure.
759
00:35:07,266 --> 00:35:10,847
And I saw the Butcher putting
his hands on women.
760
00:35:10,867 --> 00:35:14,767
And I saw bruises appearing on
people's arms and legs.
761
00:35:14,787 --> 00:35:17,347
Let's talk about your
scratches, Donalyn.
762
00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:20,166
I woke up one morning and
I had two long scratches
763
00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:23,533
going down my neck and
it burned really bad.
764
00:35:24,567 --> 00:35:26,080
I didn't want to bring it up,
765
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,567
but knowing this animal's
in the house,
766
00:35:28,634 --> 00:35:29,967
you probably should
tell her about
767
00:35:30,066 --> 00:35:32,266
some of the inappropriate touching
that's going on. - Yeah.
768
00:35:32,286 --> 00:35:34,547
I'll be laying in bed
769
00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:37,166
and feel inappropriate touching.
770
00:35:37,233 --> 00:35:39,367
The last time,
it was actually...
771
00:35:39,433 --> 00:35:41,490
It went beyond touching.
772
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:43,567
It was actually painful.
773
00:35:43,634 --> 00:35:46,367
And so, that's probably
one of the last nights
774
00:35:46,433 --> 00:35:49,467
that I think I even probably
attempted to sleep upstairs.
775
00:35:50,266 --> 00:35:51,456
They don't sleep
in the same bed.
776
00:35:51,476 --> 00:35:52,647
She goes up there
for a little bit
777
00:35:52,667 --> 00:35:53,707
and then she comes down...
- Yeah.
778
00:35:53,727 --> 00:35:54,767
...stays on the couch here.
- Yeah.
779
00:35:54,787 --> 00:35:56,067
Yeah.
780
00:35:56,467 --> 00:35:58,347
You feel watched, right?
- I do.
781
00:35:58,367 --> 00:36:01,756
To the point where I feel like
I need to go check all the rooms
782
00:36:01,776 --> 00:36:05,166
and closets and look around and
make sure no one is actually here.
783
00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:07,647
When I went upstairs
to the smaller room,
784
00:36:07,667 --> 00:36:12,166
I saw that he was very focused
on the girl who sleeps there.
785
00:36:12,186 --> 00:36:13,266
Okay, so that's Regan's room?
786
00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:16,433
- Yes. - Okay.
- So, I saw him with a pillow.
787
00:36:17,567 --> 00:36:19,647
And I saw him
788
00:36:19,667 --> 00:36:22,467
trying to smother you with a
pillow as you're sleeping.
789
00:36:24,667 --> 00:36:26,333
So, I had a sketch done
of what I saw.
790
00:36:33,166 --> 00:36:34,734
I gotta show you this, but...
791
00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:37,867
God.
- What the actual ****.
792
00:36:42,767 --> 00:36:44,046
Regan, have you felt that?
793
00:36:44,066 --> 00:36:45,447
I've definitely felt, you know,
794
00:36:45,467 --> 00:36:47,734
something coming up to my bed
and standing over me.
795
00:36:49,367 --> 00:36:51,967
That's a little intense.
796
00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:56,367
So, I know you saw
the suffocation
797
00:36:56,433 --> 00:36:58,266
in Regan's room, but...
Do me a favor, Donalyn,
798
00:36:58,286 --> 00:37:00,867
tell her about when
you were choking.
799
00:37:00,934 --> 00:37:02,367
Sometimes, I would wake up
gasping for air,
800
00:37:02,387 --> 00:37:04,767
coughing and pulling at my neck.
801
00:37:04,834 --> 00:37:08,467
Regan, you also told me you felt
a masculine energy in your room, right?
802
00:37:08,487 --> 00:37:09,967
Tell Cindy about that.
803
00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:12,266
I was getting ready to go to
sleep. I was laying in bed.
804
00:37:12,286 --> 00:37:14,066
My mom came out of her room
805
00:37:14,133 --> 00:37:15,867
and as she was walking
down the stairs,
806
00:37:15,887 --> 00:37:18,046
I felt this, like, energy.
807
00:37:18,066 --> 00:37:21,166
Like, this masculine energy,
kind of, like, detach from her,
808
00:37:21,186 --> 00:37:22,967
and, kind of, come straight
into my room.
809
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,166
I mean, this guy is really sick.
810
00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:27,847
And he's really fixated on you.
811
00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:30,266
It's like being in an
abusive relationship.
812
00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:32,266
And I think he's
changing your moods.
813
00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:34,266
He's making you feel,
maybe, withdrawn
814
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:36,967
and a little bit depressed.
815
00:37:37,033 --> 00:37:38,867
Donalyn, we talked about this.
816
00:37:38,887 --> 00:37:40,447
Now, Dennis,
817
00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:42,266
do you notice a change
in your daughter?
818
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:44,367
Yes. Everything
that's being said,
819
00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:47,767
it makes me just realize
820
00:37:47,834 --> 00:37:49,000
I don't talk to my
daughter enough.
821
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:50,634
I feel terrible.
822
00:37:52,266 --> 00:37:53,667
And he's really delusional,
823
00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:56,166
like, somehow, he thinks
that he can have you
824
00:37:56,233 --> 00:37:58,347
for himself.
- No.
825
00:37:58,367 --> 00:38:01,667
And I literally heard him say,
"She's mine, she's mine."
826
00:38:01,734 --> 00:38:04,066
Like, that's what he kept saying.
- No, she's not.
827
00:38:04,086 --> 00:38:05,866
But you guys are in the way.
828
00:38:05,886 --> 00:38:07,667
So, he's trying to scare you,
829
00:38:07,734 --> 00:38:10,340
so you'll move out, so he can
have her all to himself.
830
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,967
So he's trying to separate
your family, divide you.
831
00:38:13,033 --> 00:38:15,467
All right, so Dennis' accident
with the ladder,
832
00:38:17,567 --> 00:38:19,066
was that the Butcher?
833
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:21,533
Yes.
834
00:38:22,367 --> 00:38:24,567
I feel bad,
835
00:38:24,634 --> 00:38:28,166
'cause I, kind of, now feel
like I'm the reason it's here.
836
00:38:28,186 --> 00:38:31,767
It seems to have been
affecting my parents
837
00:38:31,787 --> 00:38:33,447
more than anyone,
838
00:38:33,467 --> 00:38:35,166
and I feel like I'm, kind of...
- Don't feel like that.
839
00:38:35,186 --> 00:38:36,634
...putting them in danger.
840
00:38:37,266 --> 00:38:38,867
I'm pissed.
841
00:38:38,934 --> 00:38:40,667
I mean, this is my house.
842
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:42,867
It's got to stop.
843
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,266
Now, Donalyn,
you make a living writing romance novels,
844
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,567
but you're in the middle of a
real life horror story here.
845
00:38:57,587 --> 00:38:59,266
And unfortunately,
846
00:38:59,333 --> 00:39:01,467
it looks like the entire
family's in danger.
847
00:39:01,533 --> 00:39:03,990
So now, it's time to answer
the big question.
848
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,447
Can you stay in this beautiful
home of yours?
849
00:39:06,467 --> 00:39:09,367
Or is it time to cut your losses
and get the hell out of here?
850
00:39:09,387 --> 00:39:12,166
For that, I'm gonna turn it
over to my partner Cindy.
851
00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:16,146
First and foremost,
852
00:39:16,166 --> 00:39:19,867
let's talk about your
grandfather who's here.
853
00:39:19,887 --> 00:39:21,747
He's good.
854
00:39:21,767 --> 00:39:24,066
He's helpful. He wants
to be here
855
00:39:24,133 --> 00:39:27,867
as your protector and for your
family during this time.
856
00:39:27,934 --> 00:39:31,266
So, I don't feel like you
have to do anything
857
00:39:31,333 --> 00:39:32,747
to remove him.
858
00:39:32,767 --> 00:39:35,100
And honestly, I think he's been
with you for quite some time.
859
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,347
Okay.
- He's always with you.
860
00:39:37,367 --> 00:39:41,166
Next, let's talk about the portal
and the poltergeist activity,
861
00:39:41,186 --> 00:39:43,816
which feed off of one another.
862
00:39:43,836 --> 00:39:46,467
I recommend bringing in a medium
863
00:39:46,533 --> 00:39:49,166
who knows how to close portals.
864
00:39:49,233 --> 00:39:52,367
Somebody who specializes
in working with lands,
865
00:39:52,387 --> 00:39:54,050
working with elements,
866
00:39:54,070 --> 00:39:55,734
it's possible to close it.
867
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,273
Next, we have the Butcher
868
00:39:59,293 --> 00:40:00,947
who is a big problem.
869
00:40:00,967 --> 00:40:03,967
He's fixated on this house
870
00:40:03,987 --> 00:40:05,980
and your family.
871
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,166
So, you need to bring
in a medium
872
00:40:09,186 --> 00:40:11,166
that can be firm,
873
00:40:11,186 --> 00:40:13,166
that knows how to
874
00:40:13,233 --> 00:40:15,146
put this guy in his place,
875
00:40:15,166 --> 00:40:17,533
and that is not
going to be easy.
876
00:40:18,967 --> 00:40:21,367
And then back to your abilities.
877
00:40:21,387 --> 00:40:23,046
The two of you.
878
00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:27,066
I really, really can't
recommend enough
879
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:29,867
taking some classes
to understand energy,
880
00:40:29,887 --> 00:40:31,747
to understand mediumship,
881
00:40:31,767 --> 00:40:34,667
even if it's just to learn
how to close it down.
882
00:40:34,687 --> 00:40:37,246
Ignoring it is not
going to work.
883
00:40:37,266 --> 00:40:39,734
Pretending it's not there
is not going to work.
884
00:40:41,567 --> 00:40:45,347
Because it's there, it's part
of your lineage.
885
00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:47,867
You have that look like you're like,"
I don't know about all this."
886
00:40:47,887 --> 00:40:51,367
It's something that I've been
suppressing for a long time.
887
00:40:51,387 --> 00:40:54,617
I mean, I don't deny that
it's happening. I just...
888
00:40:54,637 --> 00:40:57,867
I guess I have a hard time
wrapping my head around it.
889
00:40:57,887 --> 00:40:59,647
Sure, trust me. Look,
890
00:40:59,667 --> 00:41:01,046
I talk to dead people
for a living.
891
00:41:01,066 --> 00:41:03,767
It takes a lot for me to wrap
my head around what I do still,
892
00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,066
and I've been doing it
a long time.
893
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:09,847
But now...
894
00:41:09,867 --> 00:41:13,367
Now,
I'm definitely taking it very seriously.
895
00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:15,146
But, I mean, now that I do know,
896
00:41:15,166 --> 00:41:17,567
I definitely want to do
something about it, for sure.
897
00:41:17,587 --> 00:41:18,513
Yeah.
898
00:41:18,533 --> 00:41:19,647
So, what do you think, Dennis?
899
00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:22,707
I like that we have
some solutions.
900
00:41:22,727 --> 00:41:25,767
I mean, this is a
huge weight lifted.
901
00:41:25,787 --> 00:41:27,266
Yeah, we're just very grateful.
902
00:41:27,286 --> 00:41:28,347
Yes.
- Thank you.
903
00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:30,166
You're welcome.
- You're welcome.
904
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:35,867
I really hope Donalyn
and Regan follow my advice,
905
00:41:35,887 --> 00:41:38,867
and learn how to manage
their abilities.
906
00:41:38,887 --> 00:41:40,066
If they do that,
907
00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:41,867
and call in a medium
to close the portal
908
00:41:41,887 --> 00:41:43,447
and remove the Butcher,
909
00:41:43,467 --> 00:41:47,567
this family should be able to go back
to living a peaceful and happy life.
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