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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,266 --> 00:00:02,066 老屋子都有一个天井 2 00:00:02,333 --> 00:00:05,299 所以我们当时候决定一定要做天井 3 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:06,266 没有一个天井 4 00:00:06,266 --> 00:00:07,999 就没有那种老屋子的感觉 5 00:00:08,066 --> 00:00:11,166 这边靠近以前是一个大厦 6 00:00:11,166 --> 00:00:12,466 舞台那个 7 00:00:12,466 --> 00:00:13,666 就是一排 8 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:15,600 就是卖那些 9 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,000 猪肉 10 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,100 有一些卖芍腊之类的 11 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:21,100 有烧鸭 什么东西 12 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:22,400 全部都在那边 13 00:00:22,533 --> 00:00:24,133 最重要我们敢做 14 00:00:24,133 --> 00:00:24,733 我一进来说 15 00:00:24,733 --> 00:00:27,733 怎么这些石头我好像在哪见过 16 00:00:27,733 --> 00:00:29,899 就是在红屋的那个地方见过 17 00:00:32,266 --> 00:00:33,766 在马六甲的庙街 18 00:00:33,866 --> 00:00:37,533 门牌106号静静地依偎在鸡场街的入口 19 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:40,600 这座建筑质朴而简约 20 00:00:40,733 --> 00:00:43,066 诉说着百余载的沧桑往事 21 00:00:43,866 --> 00:00:46,999 几经易主 它如命运之手的弹指间 22 00:00:47,133 --> 00:00:49,099 摇曳出一段古老的旋律 23 00:00:49,166 --> 00:00:50,966 变幻成了一座博物馆 24 00:00:51,133 --> 00:00:53,866 展示着时间最悠远的古老行业 25 00:00:53,966 --> 00:00:55,699 手工刀的辉煌历史 26 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,966 这座建筑仿佛是时光的画家 27 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,966 用质朴的调色板勾勒出岁月的印记 28 00:01:02,766 --> 00:01:05,166 透过门牌106号的门扉 29 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:07,499 一种别样的宁静弥漫开来 30 00:01:07,566 --> 00:01:09,533 将你引入百年前的时空 31 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:12,300 这不是仅仅一个博物馆 32 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,100 更是一段关于道义 33 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,366 历史和匠心的深情故事 34 00:01:16,733 --> 00:01:17,766 为什么是这个样子 35 00:01:17,766 --> 00:01:19,899 跟两者之间怎么契合起来 36 00:01:20,333 --> 00:01:22,499 因为其实刀对我来说就是 37 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:24,966 那个就是在家里再平常不过的 38 00:01:25,333 --> 00:01:27,366 但原来它在平凡之中 39 00:01:27,466 --> 00:01:29,399 它有它的这个老故事 40 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:30,200 买下来 41 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,900 距离今天应该有6、7年了 42 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:35,500 当我们有这个idea的时候 43 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:37,733 应该都5年前我们就有这个idea 44 00:01:37,733 --> 00:01:39,533 但是你要慢慢地去想 45 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:42,199 我们真正做这个building两间的时候 46 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,333 做了3年多 47 00:01:43,333 --> 00:01:44,333 成立差不多2年 48 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:46,566 我们是在MCO的时候 49 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,000 中间的时候才开张 50 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,266 最记得我们开张13天的时候就关了 51 00:01:50,266 --> 00:01:51,166 52 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:52,600 因为那个是MCO 53 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,733 应该是2.0 54 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:54,866 我说同样的这个建筑物 55 00:01:54,866 --> 00:01:55,766 我说你进来的时候 56 00:01:55,766 --> 00:01:58,133 你会以为它失去了 57 00:01:58,133 --> 00:01:59,866 那个老建筑的这个味道 58 00:01:59,866 --> 00:02:00,899 但其实不是的 59 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:02,700 我说你再多留意一下 60 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:04,500 不管是墙壁也好 61 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,000 不管是楼梯都好 62 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,766 你会发现 63 00:02:06,766 --> 00:02:08,933 它那个老建筑物的味道依然还在 64 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:10,733 所以这样我就觉得 65 00:02:10,733 --> 00:02:13,599 这个故事就作为刀的故事 66 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,800 跟老建筑的故事 67 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,900 就这样 然后他们契合了 68 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:18,133 我们又卖刀 69 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:20,766 所以我们就 70 00:02:20,766 --> 00:02:23,199 很多东西我们都用那些木材 71 00:02:23,566 --> 00:02:26,466 铁、石头这些来 72 00:02:26,500 --> 00:02:29,300 整个建筑物都是用这些东西来做 73（？） 00:02:29,533 --> 00:02:32,933 因为做我们的刀比较有疲惫 74 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:33,600 没错 75 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,733 这间店 76 00:02:35,166 --> 00:02:39,566 初期就是一个小型的杂货店 77 00:02:39,566 --> 00:02:41,966 它是两母子 78 00:02:42,133 --> 00:02:43,866 丈夫很早就去世 79 00:02:43,966 --> 00:02:45,366 就跟一个孩子 80 00:02:45,866 --> 00:02:48,199 以前我在50年前 81 00:02:48,333 --> 00:02:50,266 租就是跟和尚租 82 00:02:50,366 --> 00:02:53,366 而我们就是有三个房东 83 00:02:53,466 --> 00:02:55,966 就是跟这个母女 84 00:02:56,366 --> 00:02:58,933 就租一小段后段 85 00:02:58,933 --> 00:03:02,666 来做这个货仓 86 00:03:02,666 --> 00:03:05,199 是青云亭一个和尚的 87 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:05,900 然后 88 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:10,700 我们直接就跟和尚买下来 89 00:03:10,733 --> 00:03:13,066 那时候买还是蛮便宜 90 00:03:13,266 --> 00:03:15,166 才5万块马币 91 00:03:15,166 --> 00:03:18,199 我结婚的时候是24岁 92 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:22,066 所以我结婚的时候 93 00:03:22,066 --> 00:03:24,966 我这边是做新房 楼上 94 00:03:25,666 --> 00:03:28,799 所以我的记忆 我就知道很清楚 95 00:03:28,933 --> 00:03:31,399 那个时候我们买下来 96 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,066 应该是我20岁左右 97 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:36,500 所以大概是55年这样 98 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:37,566 我一进来说 99 00:03:37,566 --> 00:03:40,566 怎么这些石头我好像在哪见过 100 00:03:40,566 --> 00:03:43,133 就是在红屋的那个地方见过 101 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:44,166 这个再多想一下 102 00:03:44,166 --> 00:03:47,099 就是其他的老建筑物进到去的时候 103 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:50,566 你不会看见有这样子的这个结构 104 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,733 所以这个就是 105 00:03:52,733 --> 00:03:54,699 这个建筑物特别的地方 106 00:03:54,733 --> 00:03:57,499 张集强在发表的一篇文章中提到 107 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,100 马六甲王朝在1511年结束之后不久 108 00:04:01,166 --> 00:04:04,266 葡萄牙人在马六甲河口开始筑城 109 00:04:04,333 --> 00:04:06,333 并以欧洲城镇的管理概念 110 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:07,999 来开始实施管制 111 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,333 葡萄牙人利用奴隶及当地人 112 00:04:11,366 --> 00:04:12,666 在马六甲外礁石岛（Pulau Upeh） 113 00:04:12,666 --> 00:04:16,066 取得铁锈石（Laterite Rock） 114 00:04:16,066 --> 00:04:17,933 作为城墙的主要材料 115 00:04:18,566 --> 00:04:19,933 大面积的铁锈石 116 00:04:19,933 --> 00:04:22,699 通常呈现出浓烈的自然红褐色 117 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,800 这种颜色是由岩石中富含的铁氧化物 118 00:04:26,866 --> 00:04:29,166 尤其是赤铁矿（Hematite） 119 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,533 和其他铁韵石矿物引起的 120 00:04:32,266 --> 00:04:33,933 这些铁氧化物的存在 121 00:04:33,933 --> 00:04:35,933 赋予了岩石深沉的红色 122 00:04:36,066 --> 00:04:38,699 透着一种自然的温暖或特有的质感 123 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:40,466 这种红褐色 124 00:04:40,466 --> 00:04:42,899 大面积分布在铁锈石的表面 125 00:04:43,066 --> 00:04:46,066 使其在自然光下呈现出独特的光泽 126（？） 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:49,766 这一间是做打石的 127 00:04:50,366 --> 00:04:53,966 好像做墓碑 那些什么打石 128 00:04:53,966 --> 00:04:56,899 好在是陈老板买下来 做到这样 129 00:04:56,900 --> 00:05:01,933 以前就是很破旧的 130 00:05:02,566 --> 00:05:05,933 走那个楼梯的板都会发出声响 131 00:05:06,466 --> 00:05:07,199 那时候 132 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,866 不过还可以 133 00:05:08,866 --> 00:05:09,699 可以住 134 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:12,866 这个屋子已经是很破烂了 135 00:05:12,866 --> 00:05:13,799 就不是讲破烂 136 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,200 很陈旧 走到那楼梯 137 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,133 都有声音跑出来的 138 00:05:19,133 --> 00:05:20,366 那个楼板 139（？） 00:05:20,366 --> 00:05:22,666 最坚硕老师的事我们看过这样多 140 00:05:22,666 --> 00:05:25,199 改造的最多 141 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:27,133 但是 我听你说 我就想说 142 00:05:27,133 --> 00:05:28,366 这个其实就是在 143 00:05:28,366 --> 00:05:31,699 它旧建筑物本身原有结构的那个曲线 144 00:05:31,966 --> 00:05:34,699 在那个局限底下怎么样和你现有的 145 00:05:34,700 --> 00:05:35,666 因为你的 146 00:05:35,666 --> 00:05:38,099 这整个生意的需求 147 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:39,200 然后做一个结合 148 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,400 他花的钱也挺不少 149 00:05:40,566 --> 00:05:42,166 尤其在这装修的一个过程 150 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,133 你要既保留它原有的这个面貌 151 00:05:44,133 --> 00:05:45,299 不破坏 但是 152 00:05:45,300 --> 00:05:46,966 因此就必须花更多的钱 153 00:05:46,966 --> 00:05:47,766 我觉得这个就是一个 154 00:05:47,766 --> 00:05:49,599 很好的一个精神 155 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,266 所以当时也是很纠结 156 00:05:51,266 --> 00:05:51,999 但是没有办法 157 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,766 也是想到要做到最好 最精致 158 00:05:55,566 --> 00:05:56,533 讲老故事 159 00:05:56,533 --> 00:05:58,199 老街道或者老建筑 160 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,966 这个就是最好的一个结合 161 00:06:00,066 --> 00:06:02,066 而且我们是做刀的 162 00:06:02,133 --> 00:06:04,799 我们做刀 我们要有那些 163 00:06:05,066 --> 00:06:06,366 我们又是手工刀 164 00:06:06,466 --> 00:06:08,733 你今天看的这个建筑物真的很漂亮 165 00:06:08,733 --> 00:06:11,533 但是当我们还没做的时候 166 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:12,699 这两间店 167 00:06:13,133 --> 00:06:13,799 尤其是这间 168 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:14,933 它是破破烂烂的 169 00:06:14,933 --> 00:06:17,466 两间屋子都会水灾 170 00:06:17,466 --> 00:06:21,133 一间屋子的水灾应该有两尺左右 171 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:22,933 第一个我们填上了 172 00:06:23,066 --> 00:06:24,299 当你们今天看的时候 173 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:25,900 我们的这些东西是新的 174 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:28,166 事实上我们这些木是旧的 175 00:06:28,166 --> 00:06:29,266 我们拆了 176 00:06:29,266 --> 00:06:31,799 我们又重新的放回去 177 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:35,266 放回去的话我们就面对了一个楼梯 178 00:06:35,266 --> 00:06:37,966 我们楼梯用的木头是用回旧的 179 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:40,766 但是当你之前的屋子矮 180 00:06:40,766 --> 00:06:41,733 当你矮的时候 181 00:06:41,733 --> 00:06:43,999 你楼梯的尺寸不够 182 00:06:44,733 --> 00:06:46,099 它的尺寸不够 183 00:06:46,266 --> 00:06:48,133 所以我们在想要怎么接 184 00:06:48,133 --> 00:06:50,766 最后我们加了水泥（红毛灰） 185 00:06:50,966 --> 00:06:52,199 用原装的楼梯 186 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,066 所以我们另外一间就会有很多人投诉 187 00:06:55,066 --> 00:06:57,133 老板你的楼梯很小 188 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,500 但是因为那个 189 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:00,600 是我们采用旧的楼梯 190 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,166 重新做回 191 00:07:02,866 --> 00:07:03,999 那边有一个打铁铺 192 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,400 我们考虑到那个重量 193 00:07:05,733 --> 00:07:08,699 但是因为老物它的重量有限 194 00:07:08,700 --> 00:07:10,300 所以那时候我们也是在想 195 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:11,600 要怎么去解决这个问题 196 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,366 我们又怕放的太重 197 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:15,866 而参观的人到时多了的话 198 00:07:15,866 --> 00:07:17,866 要怎么去承受它的压力 199 00:07:18,266 --> 00:07:21,933 所以最后设计师就一直在想说 200 00:07:21,933 --> 00:07:24,166 我们利用墙壁的力 201 00:07:24,166 --> 00:07:27,266 所以我们有些东西就用墙壁的力吊住 202 00:07:27,266 --> 00:07:28,199 开的时候 203 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:30,366 那个万一没有电的话 204 00:07:30,566 --> 00:07:32,366 空气可以流通 205 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:34,300 所以我们这个东西 206 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:35,933 要决定这个东西的时候 207 00:07:35,933 --> 00:07:36,766 又是另外一个问题了 208 00:07:36,766 --> 00:07:37,066 209 00:07:37,066 --> 00:07:40,966 因为那个流水 水来的时候要怎么去排 210 00:07:41,066 --> 00:07:44,133 所以我们就用了这个水槽 211 00:07:44,333 --> 00:07:46,499 水槽就直接下这个里面的地下道 212 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:48,600 213 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,866 这个东西克服真的不简单 214 00:07:50,866 --> 00:07:53,099 我们的优势 215 00:07:53,166 --> 00:07:54,533 我认为最大的优势就是说 216 00:07:54,533 --> 00:07:56,366 我们在文化街 217 00:07:56,366 --> 00:07:57,699 就是一个很自然的 218 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:01,066 一个世界文化遗产的一条街道 219 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:04,300 而且全世界的游客 220 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:06,166 包括马来西亚的游客 221 00:08:06,166 --> 00:08:08,933 他来这一定要来这条街道 222 00:08:09,333 --> 00:08:09,966 所以我认为 223 00:08:09,966 --> 00:08:11,299 而且我们 224 00:08:11,300 --> 00:08:13,333 我们刀也是属于一个老行业 225 00:08:13,333 --> 00:08:17,899 所以我认为最好的优势就是 226 00:08:17,966 --> 00:08:19,799 我们在一个对的地方 227 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:21,500 推门而入 228 00:08:21,533 --> 00:08:24,933 空气中似乎还留存着铁器敲击的回响 229 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:26,366 每一把刀 230 00:08:26,366 --> 00:08:29,399 都承载着刀匠精湛技艺与心血结晶 231 00:08:29,533 --> 00:08:32,666 镌刻着马六甲手工艺馈赠的历史印记 232 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,466 步入其中 233 00:08:34,466 --> 00:08:35,266 你会发现 234 00:08:35,266 --> 00:08:37,199 手工刀这个古老的艺术 235 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:39,133 在这里得以焕发新生 236 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:42,700 每一把刀都是匠人智慧的结晶 237 00:08:42,766 --> 00:08:43,899 每一段历史 238 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,466 都在刀锋间留下深深的印记 239 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:50,366 庙街的这一隅成了手工刀的归宿 240 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,266 也是历史的延续之地 241 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:55,199 这间我跟你讲 242 00:08:55,533 --> 00:08:56,966 一个福地来的 243 00:08:57,133 --> 00:08:59,333 自从我离开过后 244（？） 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:03,366 就到了这个新马银社 245 00:09:03,366 --> 00:09:04,733 做那个瓷砖发迹的 246 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,066 也是在这边 247 00:09:07,166 --> 00:09:08,533 还有一个发迹的 248（？） 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:12,133 最后他又在转卖给谢汤锦 249 00:09:12,266 --> 00:09:14,466 现在他在客家公会 250 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,166 都有一栋大楼 251 00:09:17,166 --> 00:09:18,699 那个四层的 252 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:19,533 三层的 253 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:20,766 所以说 254 00:09:20,766 --> 00:09:23,799 我讲陈老板好福气 255 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,533 我一开始的时候是说 256 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:28,999 要一间来做 就没有压力 257 00:09:29,133 --> 00:09:30,599 但是当它要两间的时候 258 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,800 我压力就来了 259 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,600 两间你就要做的 260 00:09:33,666 --> 00:09:34,799 要做的很好 261 00:09:35,066 --> 00:09:36,599 最重要我们敢做 262 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:37,733 走一步看一步了 263 00:09:37,733 --> 00:09:39,566 假如是想的太清楚 264 00:09:39,666 --> 00:09:40,266 我们就不敢做了 265 00:09:40,266 --> 00:09:42,333 哈哈哈哈 266 00:09:42,866 --> 00:09:45,899 如今这座建筑既是过去的缩影 267 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:47,333 也是现代的见证 268 00:09:48,166 --> 00:09:49,733 门牌106号 269 00:09:49,733 --> 00:09:52,333 不仅是庙街和鸡场街的一部分 270 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:54,800 更是马六甲丰富历史的一页 271 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:56,866 漫步在这里 272 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:58,066 仿佛能够听见 273 00:09:58,066 --> 00:10:00,366 手工刀在岁月中轻声低吟 274 00:10:00,366 --> 00:10:02,999 为这座古老城市增色不少 18206

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