All language subtitles for O.J. Made in America - Part 4

(dog barking)

(rumble of car engine)

(barking continues)

We got this call,

and I didn't know
whose house it was.

I had never been on a
call there but

there had been 10, 11, 12
officers that had been

on various calls over the years.

Simpson is standing
on the left side

of the driveway, by the shrubs,

holding a baseball bat.

Nicole is sitting
on the front part

of a 450SL Mercedes,
windshield smashed in,

and she's bawling,
heaving, I mean,

almost uncontrollably.

He's got this look on his face,

like he's going to do battle.

And I say, "Put the bat down."

And he's got this look,
this rage look.

I said, "Put the bat down."

He didn't do it the second time.

I took out my baton, and
I said, "Put it down now."

And then all of a sudden
there was this calm

that came over his face,
he dropped it,

and he goes,
"Oh, sorry, Officer."

And I went over, and
she was still crying,

and I said, "Do you
want to make a report?"

And she goes, "No."

I remember saying
this because it was...

I think expressing

my displeasure

that she was allowing
herself to be treated like this.

I said, "It's your life."

(somber music)

Alright, let the
record reflect that

we have been rejoined by all
members of our jury panel.

Mr. Darden, you may continue.

Did that search
warrant authorize you

to drill a hole in a safe
deposit box at Union Bank?

Yes.

Whose safe deposit box was it?

Nicole Brown Simpson.

Recognize that item?

Yes, it was in
a sealed envelope

that was contained inside
the safe deposit box.

The strategy had
been to open the case

with a couple weeks of
domestic violence evidence.

Did you remove that Polaroid

from Nicole Brown's
safe deposit box?

Yes, I did.

Do you know who
took that photograph?

I did.

The swelling
over her right eye.

That isn't how she
usually looked, is it?

No, it's not.

Going to present
all that evidence

in an effort to knock Simpson

off the iconic pedestal
on which he stood.

And you mentioned
that pictures

began flying off the walls.

How did they come
flying off the wall?

O.J. Was walking up the
hall, or up the staircase,

and he started throwing them.

He took them off
the wall and started

throwing them down.

Did the defendant
say anything?

He wanted her
out of his house,

and he threw her up
against the wall,

and the eyes got real angry.

It wasn't as if it
was O.J. Anymore.

I was so disappointed.

I just had no
comprehension about it,

no knowledge.

What did the defendant say

about your sister's weight
while she was pregnant?

He used to call her a fat pig.

It's like finding out
your wife's a bad person,

you know?

911 Emergency, (inaudible)?

I heard a female screaming.

Hello?

I definitely felt for Nicole.

And then I heard
someone being hit.

(taped screams)

You know, I looked at him,
"You're a pretty bad person."

He's capable of outbursts.

(inaudible) in
the living room!

If you have the personality,

you can physically abuse women.

I don't want to
stay on the line.

He's going to beat
the shit out of me.

Wait a minute.

Well, then to me, you're also

capable of murdering that woman.

She felt like she
was in imminent danger,

and so we made it life...
I made it life threatening.

Miss Brown, directing
your attention

to June 12, 1994.

Had you and your
parents and your sister

planned to go somewhere

after the recital was over?

Yes we did, we were
going out to dinner.

Okay, and where were
you planning to go?

We were going to
Mezzaluna Restaurant.

The domestic violence
testimony was the 'why' of it.

Did you invite
the defendant to go

to the Mezzaluna?

No, I did not.

Did you hear
anyone else invite

the defendant to go
to the Mezzaluna?

No, I did not.

Abusers blame their victims

forthe cycle of violence,

and on that particular
night I think it all

came to a head for him.

He went to the recital,
and the Mezzaluna

date was made,
he was not included,

and then he tries to reach
Paula later that night,

at 10:03, calling her twice,
when he was in the Bronco.

She was not there.

And I think that was
the last straw for him.

He was abandoned by Nicole,

he was abandoned by Paula,

and that's why we're here.

There's a
connection with abuse,

and could it lead to death?

Sure.

But I don't think
they proved that.

How many times
did you hear her

shout, "He's going to kill me,
he's going to kill me,"?

Four or five times.

Let me tell you,

I lose respect for
any woman that take

an ass-whupping when
she don't have to.

Don't stay in the water

if it's over your head.

You'll drown.

They did not get it.

They just didn't care.

They got it, I mean, you know,
it's not that complicated.

They didn't care.

So...

Our hearts sank.

We thought, we are
really going to have

a tough time if our
jurors don't understand

how this is relevant.

The last thing I told her

is that I loved her.

Knowing what I
believed I knew,

I still refused to testify.

But, I get a call from
Chris Darden, he said,

"Look, you know, you
don't, you're not going

to testify, but I need
you to come down here.

I've got to ask you
a couple of questions.

Would you please?"

I went, "Okay."

Chris is sitting there,
and he goes,

"Hey, man, how you doing,
what's going on?"

30, 45 seconds goes by,
someone went,

"Chris, you've
got a phone call."

He goes, "Oh, Ron,
be right back."

And as I'm sitting there,

I look in front of me, you know,

where Chris was sitting,

I see this book,
and it has a big Ron

and Nicole on it.

I opened it up.

And I see these beautiful
pictures of Nicole,

with her modeling.

I keep opening it,
nice pictures of Ron.

And all of a sudden, I get
to the actual homicide pictures.

Now, I've seen a million
homicide pictures,

I've been in, I don't
know how many homicides

in my 15 years as
an L.A.P.D. Cop.

But all of a sudden you
look at some pictures

of somebody you actually know.

Looked at those pictures,
it changed me.

It changed me.

Everybody always
beating cops up.

Man, there's a lot
of stuff that we see,

and we suppress.

I'll never forget the
first homicide that I saw.

Oh, it was, um...

excuse me.

It was a 19-year-old girl.

(police radio chatter)

We got a call.

When I went up there,
she was totally nude.

She had been beaten to a pulp,

and discarded in
the parking lot.

I was like, "what kind
of guy would do this?"

She was 19 years old.

I couldn't even,
I couldn't make out her face,

because it was beaten in so bad.

Blonde hair.

And we got a call that
the guy turned himself in.

We went and picked him up.

And I sat in the back
seat with this guy.

I wanted to kill him.

I mean, all I thought
about is this is somebody's

daughter, sister, whatever,
that's never coming home.

Oh, when I saw
Nicole's pictures,

that was the same
thing, I felt like that,

with O.J.

Only an animal would
do something like this

to the mother of your kids.

Chris came back,

and when he sat down,
I said, "I'm testifying."

He said, "what?"

I said, "I'm testifying."

The People call Ron Shipp

to the stand, Ron.

To the stand, Mr. Shipp.

Raise your right hand, please.

Do you solemnly swear or
affirm that the testimony

you're about give will be
the truth, the whole truth

and nothing but the
truth, so help you God?

Yes, I do.

Please be seated.

Traitor.

Judas.

Ronald Shipp.

R-o-n-a-l-d.

Becky called him Judas.

And what did
the defendant say?

He kind of jokingly
just said, you know,

you know, to be honest,
Shipp, that's what

he called me, Shipp.

He said, "I've had some
dreams of killing her."

This is my one moment
to help put somebody

who's responsible for
Nicole and Ron's murder,

put them in prison.

Do you and the defendant
remain friends today?

Well, I still
love the guy, but...

I don't know, I mean,
this is a weird situation.

I'm sitting here.

You say you still love him.

Sure.

Did he tell the truth?

Yeah.

But anybody's that's credible,
what do you have to do?

Nothing further.

You have to destroy them.

You drink a lot, don't you?

I used to.

You've had a drinking problem,

haven't you?

In the past I have.

They painted him out to be

an alcoholic, womanizer.

Isn't it true, Sir, that
you were with a friend,

other than your wife.

Yes I was.

She was blonde, was she not?

It was a friend of my
wife's, that's correct.

I see.

And when you were at his home,

in the dark, with the blonde,

who wasn't your wife,
who's here in court,

you did ask that he bring
you a bottle of wine.

Didn't you?

That's correct.

They destroyed him.

You're not really this
man's friend, are you, Sir?

Well, I guess you could say

I was like everybody else.

One of his servants.

I did police stuff
for him all the time,

I ran license plates.

You weren't the kind of
friend that he would share

some private secret
with, were you, Sir?

Nothing except for
the 1989 beating,

where he needed me.

When they started
lying, and they came

up with all these
different things.

Isn't it true,
Sir, that you have

told Mr. Simpson's friend that

if Mr. Simpson

weren't around,
you might have a shot

at Nicole Brown
Simpson yourself?

No, I did not.

He looked at me with
that O.J. Simpson smile.

And, oh, I felt
that hate come back.

I felt it come back.

Mr. Douglas, I hope you get
your facts straight, okay?

Hold on, hold on.

You're attacking me.

Hold on, Mr. Shipp.

This is sad, O.J.,
this is really sad.

Your Honor, I
move to strike that.

I was like, "This guy
deserves to rot in hell."

I do remember that I
was told, you know,

after I did make that
decision to testify,

"You're not alone."

And I saw a list, they
said, "These are the ones

that are going
to be testifying."

But after they got
through with me,

everybody got amnesia.

I will not have the blood
of Nicole on Ron Shipp.

I can sleep at night,

unlike a lot of others.

Mr. Shipp.

I think that was
the first person that

it became evident that
everybody's expendable.

That if the Titanic sank,
O.J. Was going to take

a life vest for himself,
but he's going to probably

take yours, too, just in case.

He was a fighter,
he was a hustler,

he was a competitor.

To survive,
to get to where he was,

he had to be good, and he was.

I was struck by
how engaged he was.

That when we're
in court that day,

you'll recall, usually I'm
sitting next to him when we

talk about that, you
know what I mean?

In a lot of cases,
the defendant is really

sort of incidental.

You really have the sense
that it's legal team

versus legal team,

whereas I did have
the sense that he was

a significant player
within his own team.

O.J. Was brilliant

in terms of how things played.

You say that the
conversation with Mr. Simpson

was eating you up.

Is that your statement?

That's correct.

And did you hope to exorcise

this pain from your body.

He would give
me more than a few

tongue lashings

to make sure that
I would communicate

in a way that would
convey the image

that he thought would be best.

I remember I had some
spittle on my mouth.

And he said, "wipe your mouth!"
"Wipe the spit off your mouth!"

He took me to the woodshed.

But I was 39 years old,

working on behalf of O.J.
Simpson and on television.

I'm living the life of all
my colleagues would dream.

So, if I had to eat
a little cheese,

while being on TV, that was
a small price for me to pay.

What was remarkable
about him was

his ability to turn
on the charisma.

And it, like that.

In a moment, he could smile.

He knew when the
camera was on him

in that courtroom,

and he would be, have a
really benign expression.

And when the camera
moved away from him,

the face fell.

Everything that
happened in that courtroom

was by design.

Who sat where, what
colors they wore,

what ties they wore.

Some days, it would
be very irritating

to see the games the
defense was playing

when they would
put on those ties,

that kente cloth.

Stop it.

He's communicating
to thejury.

I know Johnnie well enough,

I know how he works.

Now the prosecution,
Miss Clark.

They're insulting you.

They're insulting
the intelligence,

and the credibility
of this jury.

When they implied that
we are in some way

trying to manipulate a
predominantly blackjury

by my wearing this
African tribal tie.

(laughter)

That's an insult to this jury,
and I am personally offended.

Not only on my behalf,
but also on the behalf

of my esteemed colleagues.

Mr. Shapiro...

Mr. Bailey...

And Mr. Scheck.

I had spent a lot of
time thinking about cameras

in the courtroom.

The camera is going
to be out to about here.

It was supposed to
be something that would

really elevate the
country's understanding

of the American legal system.

Having the cameras
in the courtroom

allows everyone to see how
a trial really proceeds,

so then they see the actual
evidence, as it's being

brought out, and
that's a good thing.

But that's not what happened.

There was no internet.

There was no MSNBC.

There was no FOX.

There was one
cable news network,

and CNN covered the
case gavel to gavel.

This case was everywhere.

The Simpson Trial,
by any standard,

is a very, very big news story.

In this country,
the O.J. Simpson.

At the O.J. Simpson Trial.

There are some big decisons
to report in the O.J.

More on the O.J. Simpson
story tonight on Nightline,

and tomorrow night on 20l20.

I think before O.J.,
what was the biggest story?

The Lindbergh kidnapping.

I can't think of
one bigger than O.J.

Where celebrity drove the story.

On the 3 Network Newscast,

the Simpson story has
been given more time

in two months than any
other topic this year.

There is a ravenous
public appetite forthis,

and the fact of the
matter is, it is one whale

of a good story.

O.J.'s celebrity status clearly
made it a big time story.

But I think the fact that
you had the interracial

angle there kind ofjuiced
it and I think it had

a little extra pizzazz.

Here is a black
man, in America,

who is accused of
killing a white woman.

Black hero
killing white woman.

Black men killing white
women, nowthat happens.

Nobody cares.

But black American hero
killing white woman

was a giant thing.

It was branded as the
'trial of the century',

and my mother said, "If
O.J. Had killed Marguerite,

this would not be the
trial of the century,

and his black ass
would be in jail."

The Simpson Case never
felt like a real murder case.

It felt like a media circus.

I would walk out the
door, and there would be

the press standing right
there with microphones,

and cameras and
I'm wearing a white dress,

and the press is holding
microphones in my face,

and saying, "what's the
significance of the white dress?"

"What does it mean?"

You know, it was clean.

There was a certain
amount of denial

I was living in in
terms of how much

attention I would get
at any given point.

As you can see,
Clark is smack-dab

in the middle of
a national debate,

and it has nothing
whatsoever to do

with the O.J. Simpson trial.

Here's more on the
story from Judy Muller.

I really hated it.

The coverage of
it became, you know,

real infotainment.

O.J. Girlfriend in Playboy,

O.J. Girlfriend
before Grand Jury.

O.J. Defense Tip
Hotline unplugged.

O.J. Houseboy's girlfriend
holds news conference.

The O.J. Stories are everywhere.

So is the ET coverage.

Ourjob is to tell
people what happened today,

and what was important.

We have lost sight of
giving people the news

in terms of its significance.

We're giving it to them in terms
of what we think simply

is the most titillating and
the most ratings-grabbing.

You think he'd be
there for you the way

you were there for him?

The celibacy thing,
I don't know about.

There was so much hand-
wringing at TV networks,

and at The New York Times.

There was one editor at
The Times who was quoted

as saying, "Now I find
myself reading the Enquirer

every week, and chasing
leads out of it."

I think we have
to ask at what point

do what should be
journalistic decisions

become marketing decisions?

I think a lot of the elitism
went out of the mainstream

media at that point.

And they're like, "well, if
this is what people want,

this is what we're
going to give them."

Tonight the woman
who calls herself

Nicole Brown Simpson's
best friend, Faye Resnick.

If Nicole was caught talking
to the gas station attendant,

he would make it seem as
if she was having an affair

with him.

The cameras in the
courtroom, I think,

gave too much notoriety
to the witnesses.

I heard a thumping noise.

How many thumps did you hear?

Three.

(thud, thud, thud)

Someone pointed out and said,

"There's Kato Kaelin."

I'll say, "Oh, yeah."

And I'll gawk like
everybody else.

The same can be said
for all the attendants,

in the courtroom, I mean,
I remember one day

I saw Marcia and she said,
"Larry King is in chambers

with Judge lto."

Did you talk
about him possibly

appearing on your show?

They made everyone
celebrities.

I understood
money and attorneys,

reputation and celebrity.

And who am I?

I'm a nobody.

I am nobody.

I began to get some
insight into Fuhrman,

and I said, "There's
thejugular vein."

All we have to do is cut that.

And there's nothing
left of consequence.

He was going to
be theirfall guy.

We all knew it.

But they were going to go
after him any way they could.

We heard from a
guy that Fuhrman

wanted ajob in South Africa.

He wanted to be in a
force where you could

shoot niggers that have not
been accused of anything.

Another witness said
Fuhrman had pulled her over,

and when he did a Corvette
went by with a black

guy driving and a nice
looking white girl.

And Fuhrman spewed
out a line of epithets

about how
unconstitutional that was,

for this guy to be running
around with a white woman.

These stories were hair-raising.

These allegations get more
outrageous by the minute.

And I'm stricken again
by the preposterousness

of the claims of the defense.

The people respectfully
submit to the court

that what we have
here is not a defense,

it's a smear campaign.

We made him a central part,

consistent with the themes

that he's the boogeyman.

Who is Mark Fuhrman,
and what was he like?

I got a bunch of calls
from black police officers,

who said, "Fuhrman is
absolutely not a racist."

His former commanding
officer, who happens

to be black, told me
that he was one of those

people who made
the most remarkable

turnaround, and became
such an exceptional

detective, and was
really a good guy.

Joining us now
is the former chief

of the Los Angeles Police
Department, Daryl Gates.

We knew that the police
department would take

a very defensive posture.

I think the record
supports the fact

that Mark was a
good police officer.

That he was a nice young man.

He was not a racist,
he was this and that.

The better he played to us.

You cannot take the words

of a defense team as the gospel

in the city of Los Angeles.

(applause)

There was one glove
found at the crime scene.

Its match was
found at his house

bearing the blood
and hair and fiber

from Ron and Nicole.

How does it get more
incriminating than that?

And that's why the defense knew

they had to knock
out that glove.

I had to go.

One way or another.

Atruck hitting me,
they would have done

whatever it took
to get rid of me.

None of them thought that
I planted that glove.

But they wanted the
question to loom.

I am convinced that
glove was placed there.

We call that framing
a guilty man.

I mean, look, cops
plant guns, I mean,

why do you think
they plant guns?

They don't plant guns
on somebody who they

perceive as innocent, they
plant guns on somebody

who they think is a dirt
bag, and they had maybe

a questionable shooting,
so they needed to place

the other gun in order to
justify their shootings.

Mark Fuhrman picked the
glove up at the scene,

put it in a baggie,
and carried it with him

until he had a chance,
with no witnesses, to plant it.

Do you realize how
ignorant he sounds?

You have a man that's
a famous attorney,

that has made up
everything without a shred

of evidence, and
then you have people

hook, line and
sinker, go, "Yeah."

I do not for
one second believe

there was any sort
of conspiracy here.

15 people were at the scene
before Fuhrman got there,

and viewed the
left-handed glove.

The right glove was
found behind the bungalow

when he ran into the air
conditioner and dropped it.

Fuhrman would have
been willing to sacrifice

his career and be
convicted of a felony

when he didn't know who did it.

And on top of it, there's
absolutely no motivation

for anyone to want to do this.

O.J. Had sinned

having a consort,
let alone a wife,

of white race.

It was a capital offense
in Fuhrman's mind.

So that would justify
to him whatever he did.

And he had come to O.J.'s house,

when Nicole
complained to police,

as she often did, that O.J.
Was going to beat her up.

When Fuhrman got there,
they sent him home.

No complaint.

I think Mark Fuhrman
dwelled on it,

and was inspired by it.

The People call
Detective Mark Fuhrman.

Detective Fuhrman, can
you tell us how you feel

about testifying today?

Nervous.

Reluctant.

Will you tell us why?

Since June 13th, it seems that

I've seen a lot of the evidence

ignored, and a lot
of personal issues

come to the forefront.

If I don't put him
on I basically can't

put the glove into evidence.

And if I don't do that,
it looks like an admission

that it was planted.

So I had no choice.

What did you do next?

I asked Mr. Kaelin if
anything unusual happened

last night.

He said he heard a crash,
or thump on his wall,

he thought there was
going to be an earthquake,

and his picture shook.

He looks confident, he's
tall, he's nice looking,

has nice hair.

He came off as a
nice guy to the jury.

I walked out of the driveway,

and I started walking in
the direction going back

towards Kaelin's room.

They had no
reason to doubt him.

I continued walking
down the path,

and saw what now I identified
as a possible glove.

If he were telling the truth,
that would condemn O.J.

Thank you, Sir,
I have nothing further.

Early, early, early on,

Fuhrman had been a witness

that Lee staked out,
and he wanted to take.

I thought it required
to dismantle this guy,

as he should be dismantled,

the work of somebody with a lot

of cross-examination experience.

I was the only one on the
Defense team that fit that bill.

He's one of my heroes.

F. Lee Bailey.

Mr. Bailey, what do you think

Sam Sheppard's chances
are of going free?

Sam is free, and
he's going to stay

that way and the odds
are astronomical.

F. Lee Bailey was one
of the great criminal

advocates of his time, for sure.

He pioneered a lot of,
you know, great techniques

as a criminal defense lawyer.

As far as I'm concerned
right now, Lee Bailey

is the doctor, he's a surgeon,

and I do what he tells me.

He was obviously a
man of great ability.

Detective Fuhrman,
you went out there

in the alley, where
you've never been before.

Yes, I went in that pathway.

You walked there
by yourself, correct?

Yes.

You had three
detectives, who were armed,

in the house, and
didn't tell any of them

where you were going, correct?

That's correct.

The purpose of a
cross-examination is to peel

back the witness' outer skin,

and let thejury see
what's underneath.

If it's a saint, you're
going to get buried,

but if it's a Fuhrman,
you'll be making money

every minute of the day.

Didn't it seem strange to you

that after seven
and a half hours

that glove still showed
moist, sticky blood,

Detective Fuhrman?

No, I knew
nothing at that time

when it was deposited,
or left there.

That's seven and a half hours.

That's enough for
blood to dry, isn't it?

Under certain conditions,
yes, I'm sure it would be.

Unless it's
encased in plastic,

or rubber, and
evaporation is stopped.

Wouldn't you agree?

No.

I thought Mark
Fuhrman told the truth

about what happened.

But, F. Lee Bailey, in
his brief starturn,

knew how to pin him down.

Detective Fuhrman,
when you said

earlier that you were
concerned about matters

that you viewed as irrelevant,

that was about certain
language that some

find offensive.

Yes.

Okay.

I tried to put my
best demeanor forward,

and as professional as I could,

but it was pure survival mode.

Do you use the word nigger

in describing people?

No, sir.

Have you used that word
in the past ten years?

Not that I recall, no.

You mean, if you
called someone a nigger,

you have forgotten it?

I'm not sure I can
answer that question

the way you phrased it, Sir.

I had a dozen
witnesses that would

bury him as a racist,

so I wanted him to lie.

Do you have difficulty
understanding the question?

- Yes.
- I'll rephrase.

I want you to assume that
perhaps at some time,

since 1985 or six,
you addressed a member

of the African-American
race as a nigger.

Is it possible that
you have forgotten

that act on your part?

No, it's not possible.

No I didn't, yes I did.

Which one's right?

One you're lying,
one you're a racist.

I whacked him
with it really hard.

In the face.

And you say under oath,
that you have not addressed

any black person as a
nigger or spoken about black

people as niggers in the past
10 years, Detective Fuhrman?

That's what I'm saying, Sir.

So that anyone who
comes to this court,

and quotes you as
using that word,

in dealing with
African-Americans

would be a liar, would they
not, Detective Fuhrman?

Yes, they would.

All of them.

- Correct?
- All of them.

I didn't use that
word to people.

Face to face, suspect to police.

Had I ever used the word?

Well, obviously, yes.

That's all I have, Your Honor.

Alright, thank you very much.
You're excused, Sir.

Once Judge lto allowed
race into this trial,

there was no escaping
anything for me.

I had a visceral reaction
to Fuhrman's testimony.

It just didn't seem credible.

Another cop, white cop.

Prejudice, bias.

Watch out.

The way you work around
something like that

is to deal with the
physical objective evidence

that we had.

This was a case about blood.

That was the heart of the case.

Simpson had cuts
on his left hand,

particularly on
the middle knuckle.

How did you get the
injury on your hand?

I don't know.

To the left hand
side of the bloody

shoe prints, walking
away, there were five

blood drops found.

Those blood drops were tested

through different DNAanalyses,
and by different labs,

and it came back to Simpson.

Quite simply,
that was Simpson's blood.

Inside the Bronco we
have Nicole's blood,

we have Ron's blood
smeared inside there,

and we have O.J.'s blood.

2.1 miles away from
the Bundy crime scene,

we've got blood drops
in the driveway,

blood drops inside the house.

The best thing about
scientific evidence

is that it's objective,
it doesn't have biases

or prejudices, that's
why we concentrated

so much on DNA

we went to two labs, first
time ever that's been done.

We gave them sample
after sample.

We gave the opportunity
to prove that

it wasn't O.J. Simpson.

I could have been the
biggest hero, perhaps

in Los Angeles, if not
the country, if I could

have walked into court
a week after he'd

been arrested, and
said, "Guess what?

It's not O.J. Simpson."

But all the DNA evidence
points to Mr. Simpson

as being the person who
committed those horrible crimes.

I think a lot of people
stayed supportive up until

the DNA.

I was 99.9% sure he was
the killer right then.

As the results were coming in,

Mr. Simpson was saying,
"Look, you know,

I can't explain it,

but it's not true."

There were six
lawyers in court.

Sometimes seven, nine
behind the scenes.

There were two lawyers,
Barry and Johnnie.

Barry did the science,
and Johnnie did

everything else.

And even Barry did
everything else.

He had a single minded
focus, and purpose,

and he emerged over
the course of the trial

as second chair in the case.

Good morning, Mr. Fung.
How are you, Sir?

Morning.

My favorite lawyer
was Barry Scheck.

He was the most colorful.

I thought he was brilliant.

Why don't we talk
about the envelope

for a minute.

There was a key
piece of evidence

which was the envelope
that Ronald Goldman

was bringing back to Nicole,

and there was some
foot impressions

in blood on the envelope.

Mr. Fung, when you
are collecting an item

which could contain
fingerprints,

you would not touch that
item with your bare hand,

would you?

I would try not to.

Well, you say you try not to,

it would be wrong to do that.

Wouldn't it?

Yes.

We had looked at hours
and hours and hours

of news footage of Mr.
Fung and Miss Mazzola

picking up items of
evidence at the crime scene.

Did you touch that
envelope with your bare hands

while collecting it, Mr. Fung?

No.

Are you sure of that?

Yes.

I'd like to show you this
piece of videotape, Mr. Fung.

There, there.

How about that, Mr. Fung?

Is that a question, Mr. Scheck?

Yes, how about that
picture, Mr. Fung,

does that refresh
your recollection

that you took the envelope
from Andrea Mazzola

with your bare hand?

It could be anything.

They called it a
Perry Mason moment.

You know, it was just
a good impeachment

of the witness but
in some ways it really

encapsulated the
problem that they'd used

terrible methods in
terms of gathering

this evidence and potentially
cross-contaminating

it and destroying it,
just very precious

crime scene evidence.

I found that the specimen
handling procedures

were done in such a
manner that there's

a tremendous risk
of the potential

of cross contamination.

Something we'd
never do unless you

absolutely have to is
cover a body because

of contamination.

A sheet was overthe body.

You recall seeing that?

I believe it was
a blanket, yes.

Do you know where
that blanket came from?

I believe the
inside of the house.

And can you tell us,
Detective, who took this

blanket out and put
it overthe body, who did that?

I did.

You have to make some decisions

to protect the evidence.

Cameras were looking right down

on the crime scene, all
the evidence, the bodies.

As a general principle
as a criminalist,

you try at all costs to
avoid taking an object

that could have lots of
hairs and fibers on it,

and putting it right into
the middle of a crime

scene, don't you?

That's correct.

That's a terrible mistake

from the point of view of
a criminalist, isn't it?

Yes.

Overthe past few days,
the defense has chipped

away at the growing presumption
of O.J. Simpson's guilt.

The way evidence
was collected, the way

it was processed,
the way it was stored

gave rise to reasonable
question as to whether

something wrong
could've happened.

You did not change gloves

between the collection
of each sample, did you?

Not that I can recall, no.

Dennis Fung was a
definite weak link.

This kid, he tries, okay?

They ripped him up terribly.

On July 3rd, you saw blood

on the gate that you collected.

Yes.

Let's look back at the picture
of the gate on June 13th.

Where is it, Mr. Fung?

I can't see it in
the pic... photograph.

We don't know what
happened to that blood.

All I know is when
I was listening,

they was saying they
took a picture where

there wasn't no blood
on the back gate.

And then a month later,
there was some blood.

Why it didn't get picked up,
why it didn't

get collected,
difficult to explain.

In the fog of war,
people on the scene

and all the activity
going on around it,

things get missed.

It is my opinion

that, that the bloodstain
contained EDTA.

EDTA is a preservative
that was added

to the blood samples
taken from Simpson,

and the victims, and
if EDTA is present

on the evidence, the
defense says the blood

may have been planted.

In your blood right
nowthere is a low level

of EDTA, because it's
in everything you eat,

it's in the laundry
detergent, it's everywhere.

You're going to find EDTA
no matter what you do.

But the defense is
trying to insinuate that

somebody took the blood
that had been drawn

from Simpson's arm, and
took that test tube,

and sprinkled it all
overthe crime scene.

And it's ridiculous.

When you took
O.J.'s blood sample,

you were at a place
called Parker Center?

Yes, sir.

What type of
security did you use

for that blood vial?

I placed it in
a manila envelope,

maintained control of it,
and hand-delivered

it to the criminalist.

Where was the criminalist?

At Rockingham.

You're bringing
the suspect's blood

back to a crime scene where
we're collecting blood?

Really?

How many times
have you taken blood

from Parker Center
out to a crime scene?

I don't know,
this may have been the first time.

I don't know.

I can't recall right
now any other times

that I've done that.

If you're ajuror who has
grown up in Los Angeles,

and spent your whole life
hearing that the L.A.P.D.

Is capable of doing
anything to a Black person,

and you hearthat, you've
just been handed some doubt.

When did we start carrying
blood in our pocket?

When did our SID lab
stop wearing gloves?

When did we not book
stuff in a timely fashion?

That... there's no
rationale for that.

We had a, I think, a
pretty good demonstrative

of a black box.

The idea was that certain
crime scene evidence

came in and the black
box was the L.A.P.D.,

and the way they
handled the evidence,

and on the other side
were all the results

from Cellmark, the F.B.I.,
the DNA laboratories.

It was pretty simple
when you broke it down.

Garbage in, garbage out.

I mean, you cannot
go back and say,

"well, maybe they planted
evidence on the glove,

"maybe on the back gate,
oh, there's blood missing."

Big deal.

How can that be a big deal?

Scheck was very disingenuous.

I mean, EDTA, missing
blood, coincidence?

Corroboration.

Something is terribly wrong.

It was absolute nonsense.

You believe that
that blood was

planted by the L.A.P. D?

You know, it's not
my job to believe,

or not believe.

Could the police
officers in Los Angeles

have planted evidence
against Mr. Simpson

in this case to improve
their chances of winning?

You know, there was
certainly good evidence

to support that hypothesis.

Barry Scheck
really was an expert.

Can you remember
the whole business

about development
length and the notion

of controls failing?

He knewthat so much of
what he was trying to show

with these witnesses
was just garbage.

Mr. Yamauchi opened
up the reference tube

in the morning and
spilled out the blood.

It was unethical.

He argued things he
knew were not true,

he knew could not be true.

The most likely and
probable inference

is the one that is not for the
timid orthe faint of heart.

Somebody played
with this evidence.

And there's no doubt about it.

Just so I'm clear,

you believe that all
the blood evidence

in the case...

You know, you're asking me
this question, do I believe...

Think, you know,

is not the, because you're...

the, as you know from
meticulously researching

this case, and this
has been written about,

we presented, you
know, sound arguments

and evidence to explain
each piece of this evidence,

and how it got there.

You know, I'm not omniscient.

Do you think you did
what you needed to do?

I did the best I could.

It's the best
defense money can buy,

and that's very expensive.

For O.J. Simpson, an estimated
50,000 dollars a day.

O.J. Had money to spend,

and a willingness to spend it

on his own defense.

This was the first for me.

Zillionaires, one of a kind.

He'd been in jail
two orthree days, tops.

The first thing he wanted
to do is to make sure

that we started marketing
and merchandising

and generating a lot of money.

Because O.J. Was not
convicted of any crime,

and autographs was
his normal business,

he was allowed to still
sign autographs in jail.

Rather than taking a
jersey into the jail

to be signed, he would
take a number in,

like this, he would
sign the number,

and then the number would be put

onto ajersey like this.

Ratherthan being able to
take in a whole football,

would take in a panel.

He would sign the panel,
then the panel would be

sent in to the company,

then you'd have a football.

I'm not sure what
drove the market,

but it was driven.

It was nonstop.

There were times he'd sit there,

and go through 2500 cards.

And then say, "Okay, so 2500
cards times 25 dollars."

He'd run the math.

And he said, "Not bad."

He sat in jail, we did
three million dollars

in autographs.

It just went and
went and went.

There was no end.

Photos of he and
Johnnie Cochran

that he and Johnnie signed.

That's probably
the only item that

I did it, and I'd look
back, and I thought,

"Man, this sucks, I can't
believe we did this."

The Goldmans were screaming,

but you're innocent
until convicted.

What was found on the
glove at Rockingham?

Simpson's blood,
Nicole's blood, Ron's blood.

That glove is now tied
into three people,

that can only intersect
when they're bleeding.

That might be a time
frame that might be a little

difficult to put together,
unless you are

killing two people
and cutting yourself.

Whoever wore that glove

killed those people?

Yes.

I'd like to show
you a pair of gloves.

Showing you People's 164A.

That is an Aris
Leather Light glove

that was an exclusive
glove for Bloomingdale's.

And what is the size?

Size is extra large.

Is that a
Bloomingdale's credit card

sales receipt?

Yes.

And is there a signature

on the credit card receipt?

Yes.

Can you read that
signature to us?

Nicole Brown.

It was later in
the afternoon, and

the person they had
giving the testimony

regarding the glove.

Wait, may I try this on?

You could see where
it was leading up to.

So, this is an
extra large glove?

Yes.

Extra large is kind of small?

No, but they stretch.

Obviously, it was too big.

At 24 years old I could
see this is a trick.

Don't fall for it.

We can see that that
glove is big on his hand.

You don't have to do anything.

That afternoon I
got a call from Marcia,

basically affirming the
game plan, "we're not

trying the glove on, right?"

There's too much
of a gamble here.

It's shrunk, he's probably
been working out his hand,

absolutely not.

I went over to him,
and said, "Chris,

you know you're a good shit,
but you've got the balls

of a stud fieldmouse.

That glove won't fit
O.J., and if you don't

show thejury that,
be it the fact, I will."

Chris says, "I want to do it."

And I told him in no
uncertain terms why

we should not be doing this,

and he said, "well, if
we don't, they will."

And I said, "Then
let them, let them.

And we can show why
it was a bullshit

experiment, it was
never going to work,

between the shrinkage
and the latex,

it's never going to
fit him the same way.

Don't do this.

Don't do this."

It was the biggest fight
Chris and I ever had.

Darden, I think felt,
"You know, I've been pushed

around in this courtroom
enough, I've been made

to feel small."

You could see the
disaster coming.

There's a camera to our right.

Watching everything.

Johnnie comes back
from sidebar, and says,

"Okay guys, they're going to
ask O.J. To try on the gloves.

I don't want anyone to react."

We've been rejoined
by all the members

of ourjury panel.

Mr. Darden, do you have
any further questions

of Mr. Rubin?

Just a few, Your Honor.

Your Honor, at this time,
the People would ask

that Mr. Simpson step
forward and try on the glove

recovered at Bundy, as
well as the glove recovered

at Rockingham.

He can do that seated there.

You could hear a pin drop.

O.J. Was initially seated,

putting on the first glove.

I'm handing Mr.
Simpson the left glove

from Rockingham.

And right when it was
clear it did not fit,

O.J. Goes into Naked Gun mode.

He stands up, and
shows his hand,

and that's when
he's now, "Okay."

The guy's an
actor, for God sakes.

He's playing to
50 million people.

Alright, records
reflect Mr. Simpson has

both gloves.

What was he going to do?

Make a good faith
effort with plastic

over his hands?

Alright, will you
show that to the jury,

Mr. Simpson, and the (inaudible)

The whole thing was
so wildly inconceived,

so totally inappropriate,
so doomed to failure.

The idea that Chris
Darden would do this.

Mr. Darden, would
you wrap it up, please?

I looked at him like,
"I can't believe you did it.

You let him play you.

You are the weaker one."

And you didn't have to be.

You just take the gloves,

you take both attorneys,

and the deputy, and the suspect,

and you go into chambers.

And you do it on the
record in chambers.

You don't do it with
latex underneath.

My grandson couldn't have
gotten into those gloves

with latex underneath.

Did you observe the
manner in which Mr. Simpson

put the gloves on today?

Yes, I did.

You've seen people put
gloves on in the past.

Yes, I have.

Did he put the
gloves on in a manner

consistent with what
you've seen other people...

Objection, your honor...

Sustained.
The jury observed

what happened.

It made the
prosecution look silly.

Anything unusual about the way

Mr. Simpson put the
gloves on, based on your

experience?

Object, Your Honor.

Sustained.

I felt sorry for him.

Because he looked weak.

I have nothing further.

This was the
definition of the trial

lawyer's mistake.

Don't ask a question
to which you don't

know the answer.

He didn't know whether
that glove fit.

Chris honestly felt
that he would have

a dramatic courtroom
moment by demonstrating

the gloves fit.

It was an intuitive
move on his part,

and it was a mistake.

Had O.J. Never
put that glove on,

I would have
assumed that it fit.

I saw how big it was.

And that's when I just
knew that, you know,

why is this guy here?

He's ruining this case.

Outside of Perry Mason,
what could be more dramatic

than O.J. Simpson
showing the jury

that the killer's
gloves don't fit.

Prosecutorial attempts
at damage control

might not be able to undermine
the power of that image.

The funny thing
about the glove,

he didn't want to put them on.

I said, "Look, if you're
worried about the gloves

fitting or not fitting, just
don't take your arthritis

medicine, no big deal."

And he said, "Mike, my
hands would hurt like hell."

And I said, "why would
they hurt like hell?"

And he, and you could
just see the light

click, you know, just, ah,
hands would get swollen,

and couldn't bend his knuckles.

So, he didn't take arthritis
medicine for like two weeks.

Do you think that
made a difference?

Well, he couldn't
bend his hands.

You tell me.

One day a friend of O.J.'s,
Alan Austin, came up to me,

and he said, "Answer
a question for me.

What would Mark
Fuhrman have to know

before he placed
the glove there?"

Well, I don't know.

He said, "He would
have to know that

Orenthal James Simpson,
a six foot two and a half

black guy living in a
white world had no alibi.

He was in no woman's bed,

he was in no restaurant,

he was on no airplane,
he had no alibi.

So how could Mark
Fuhrman place that glove

if he didn't know that?"

And I said, "Are you
telling me he's guilty?"

And Alan just nodded.

And the tears were
streaming down my face.

And suddenly, I felt cuckolded.

Because I'm telling
you if O.J. Had put

his face up to the
glass to me, and said,

"Something happened,
and I just snapped,

and I went crazy."

I would've defended
and forgiven him.

When he put his face
next to the glass,

and said, "I swear to
God I didn't do this,"

and then it suddenly
looked like he did,

I got angry, I felt
wounded, I felt betrayed.

I know it sounds naive,
I know it sounds stupid,

it just didn't occur to
me that he could do that.

Dr. Golden
dictating autopsy case

94-05136, autopsy on
Nicole Brown Simpson.

Having studied
the crime scene,

I believe that Nicole had
come out of the house

expecting Ron Goldman.

She encountered O.J., then
she was quickly subdued.

There was evidence
of blunt force trauma

near the crown of her
head, possibly consistent,

per the testimony of
the coroner with having

been struck by the
butt end of the knife.

Scalp bruised, right parietal.

I believe she went down.

Four stab wounds,
three deep, one shallow

were inflicted upon the
left side of her neck.

Her head was on the first
step above the lower

pavement level where the
rest of her body was.

I believe that Ron Goldman
came upon the scene

after Nicole had been subdued.

As Ron came upon Nicole,
as he moved forward,

to the fallen Nicole, O.J.
Grabbed Ron from behind,

and probably had the
knife at his throat.

Simpson's left hand was
perhaps around Ron's chest,

and in the course of short
exchange, which could

have include some
sort of taunting,

Simpson poked Ron
in the right cheek

five times, and then
drew the knife blade

twice across his throat.

I suspect Ron, in an
effort to free himself

from Simpson's grasp,
went to the hand

that was controlling him,
Simpson's left hand,

grabbed it, pulled it and
probably in the process

wrenched the glove
from Simpson's hand,

hence the left hand glove
being found in the foliage.

And then Ron turned
with his back inside

the security bars at
the foot of the stairs,

it was in effect
a killing cage.

Ron had bars to his
left, bars behind him,

tree to his right,
stairwell coming down,

and he had a very strong,
powerful figure

with a very sharp
knife slashing at him.

Ron suffered defense wounds

to both of his hands,
deep defensive wounds,

so he's clearly trying
to parry the knife.

He suffered a number
of stab wounds,

as he's twisting and
turning in the scene.

At one point
Simpson catches Ron,

with a, it was
kind of a sweeping

stabbing motion to
Ron's left flank.

And the knife blade
penetrates Ron's abdomen,

and almost completely
severs his abdominal artery.

You've got about
a minute to live

because of the
massive bleedout.

Blood is filling Ron's
abdominal cavity,

blood is pouring out of the
wound of Ron's left flank,

soaking the left
pants leg of Ron.

And ultimately after a
matter of some seconds,

it's hard to determine
how many, I believe

Ron simply sank to the
ground in a seated position

with his back against
the upright bars.

As we know from the
evidence, there was movement

between the two bodies.

I suspect Simpson went
back to Nicole's body,

lifted her head by grabbing
her blonde head hair,

and causing the
massive incise wound

across her neck,

in the process severing
just about everything

in her neck and putting
a quarter-inch nick

in her C3 vertebrae.

This is a fatal
sharp force injury.

Simpson moves
back to Ron Goldman,

grabs his shirt so it
would be above Ron's

right shoulder,
transferring blood, head hairs,

from Nicole to Ron's shirt,

twists Ron's body to the side,

and we know there were four deep

intersecting knife
wounds to the left side

of Ron's neck.

In my opinion, overkill.

With regard to Ron, overkill.

With regard to Nicole.

Simpson at this
point stepped back,

stepped in the
blood that's pumping

from Nicole, and in what
appears to be a very

even stride, goes up the
steps, and out of the

crime scene, towards
the back of the house,

towards the alley,
where the Bronco had

to have been parked.

(barking dog)

Listen.

I just flat out, categorically

deny the fact that
he could do that.

Period.

I came up from court one day,

and Bill said, "I've
got some bad news."

More, again?

He said, "There are some tapes."

What if it could be proved
that Detective Mark Fuhrman

lied on the witness stand
when he denied ever using

the word nigger?

Oh, no.

Both sides want
to get their hands

on the twelve hours
of taped interviews

Fuhrman gave screenwriter
Laura Hart McKinny

as background for herfictional
script on L. A. Police.

On the tapes, Fuhrman used
racial epithets and talked

of framing people.

What the fuck, dude?

We were not
aware of the tapes.

Should he have
told you about them?

We were not
aware of the tapes.

It was pennies from heaven.

We'd been given a gift.

Miss Drummond.

Listening to that,
I just felt like somebody

opened up a drainpipe and
just rolled it over my body.

Things that were
said resonated

with things I had heard
for 30 years or more

about the way that cops think,

and act.

When you hear those things,

some of the characters
in that screenplay

I wrapped around some of
the people that I knew,

on L.A.P.D. And
other departments.

I can remember
where I heard them,

I can remember
some who said them,

and then there's a little

exaggeration in it.

Fuhrman may say he
was just fictionalizing,

but his words rang true.

Does that mean that
he planted a glove?

No, it doesn't mean
he planted a glove.

It doesn't even
necessarily mean that he's

an authentic racist.

But it means he's
prepared to act like one.

Yeah, it was pretty bad.

And there's nothing
that you can take back,

there's not like a, "Oh,
gee, gosh, I'm sorry."

We came to this
court seven months ago,

expecting a fair trial.

My son had a right to it,

we as a family
had a right to it,

Nicole and her family
had a right to it.

Instead we get this crap spewed

in front of the
cameras fortwo hours.

For what purpose?

I'd love to know what
thejudge had in mind.

This is now the Fuhrman trial.

It's not the trial
of O.J. Simpson,

who is accused of murdering
my son and Nicole.

(crowd chanting)
We wantjustice!

(crowd chanting)
We wantjustice!

In all their ugliness,
the tapes have now

been made public,
but Judge Lance lto

has yet to decide if
thejury will hear

what others already have.

The tapes shall be released.

We want them now.

We wantjustice now.

Thejudge was on the
fence as to whether or not

he was going to let
certain stuff come in.

That required
people speaking out

to say, "This is not
something you should be hiding

from they jury."

We know that if you
can railroad O.J. Simpson

with his millions of
dollars and his Dream Team

of legal experts, we
know what you can do

to the average
African-American and other

decent citizens in this country.

It was bigger
than O.J. Simpson.

Something larger
than him is at stake.

Release the tapes,
release the tapes.

O.J. Simpson became a
symbol of that decade,

of that time, of
that response to

has the mentality of America changed

in the civil rights struggle.

Or is it business as usual?

(chanting)

For me, as a
progressive Christian,

Democrat, I'm going like,
"when are we going to go

back to the evidence?"

You would find
yourself in a room

of ministers and
community leaders,

and the conversation
inevitably would go back

to O.J. And how O.J.
Was being mistreated.

Justice be done
in the courtroom,

we pray, "Yes!"

We are talking aboutjustice!

Instead of getting in
and saying, "Free O.J.",

as if he was a
political prisoner,

it for me was, "Let
mejust get quiet."

Let me sit there
and say nothing.

Free O.J., free O.J.

I really do believe privately
a lot of African-American

leaders felt the same.

If this case gets
covered up underthe rug,

we will nevertrust the
criminal justice system again.

You turned O.J. Simpson

into a civil rights cause.

Do you at all regret that?

Absolutely not.

O.J. Simpson was a vessel.

He was merely a
tool that allowed

something to come
out and be exposed.

So you were using O.J. Simpson

foryour own cause?

I was using O.J.
Simpson for our cause.

For black people's cause.

There was a realness
to the people who

were responding to
the Fuhrman tapes

outside the courtroom.

What was going on
inside the courtroom

was manipulation to the extreme.

This is a blockbuster.

This is a bombshell.

This is perhaps
the biggest thing

that's happened in any
case in this country

in this decade,
and they know it.

They've got to face up to it!

No one planted
any evidence at any time.

There has been no false
statement made about where

that evidence was found,
the analysis of the evidence

or its results.

And the defense wants to
squirm away from that fact

by playing the race card.

This isn't about any race card.
This is about credibility card.

This is about perjury.

The whole case got forgotten.

It was all about Fuhrman now,

it was all about
racial injustice.

Occasionally these cartoonists
come up with something

that's edifying.

It's a little child,
speaking to his mother,

watching television, who says,

"what's the forbidden
'N' word they keep

"talking about, Mommy?"

She said, "Nicole."

O.J. Simpson's
defense team,

stunned by Judge lto's
ruling last night,

that only two excerpts
of the inflammatory

Fuhrman tapes, filled
with racial slurs,

may be presented to the jury.

We think this jury is
much smarter than this

judge gives them credit for.

What he let in was enough.

Then we have two
excerpts Your Honor,

we would like to play at
this point, if we could.

It's a slap.

It's a slap.

Every time you hear it.

We have no niggers
where I grew up.

Do you recall him saying that?

Yes.

To hear anybody speak
on race like that,

is not okay with me.

When Officer Fuhrman
used the word nigger,

it was not lighthearted,
it was something that

he would use in
normal conversation.

Devastating.

I believe those tapes
never should have

been allowed in.

What is the nexus between
the tapes and the murder?

What does it have to
do with the evidence?

What proof is there that
any evidence was planted?

Well, it definitely became
believable that he was capable.

And I didn't have
trust in him anymore.

He was using it in a
demeaning, derogatory fashion.

You're saying
what's on those tapes

is not reflective of your
attitudes, or your experiences?

I don't know how
you feel, or see me,

but I can tell you this.

You would be shocked if
you saw me in the field.

I was so fair

beyond, beyond all scope
of what you had to be.

Fighting?

I didn't use tasers.

I didn't use sticks.

When I fought a suspect,
I fought straight up.

I was fair on the street.

There was a time that
I was pretty violent.

But that was

long before I was
on the police force.

Alright, Mr. Uelmen,
I take it at this point

you wish to recall
Detective Fuhrman?

Yes, Your Honor.

I didn't want to look
at him, he made me sick.

You have been a liar throughout.

And the only reason I
know that you didn't

plant the evidence is
because you couldn't have.

Otherwise, I'm with them.

Detective Fuhrman,
was the testimony

that you gave at the
preliminary hearing in this case

completely truthful?

I wish to assert my
Fifth Amendment privilege.

And one of the
most shocking moments

was when he took the Fifth.

You don't see police
officers take the Fifth.

Have you ever falsified
a police report?

I wish to assert my
Fifth Amendment privilege.

Any kind of questioning
is going to help to convict

him one way or another so
he had to take the Fifth

to avoid incriminating himself.

A lot of people don't
understand about the Fifth.

If you answer one question,
you answer them all.

I can't let the Defense
attorney just run with me.

I had to plead the Fifth.

Is it your intention
to assert your

Fifth Amendment privilege
with respect to all

questions that I ask you?

Yes.

Could I have a moment?

Certainly.

That's the main question.

I mean, he didn't ask
the main question.

Did you plant the glove?

That was the most important.

It didn't matter, he
wasn't going to answer.

I only need one other
question, Your Honor.

What was that, Mr. Uelmen?

Detective Fuhrman,
did you plant

or manufacture any
evidence in this case?

Hell, no, I don't
plant evidence.

That's your response.

And you get incensed.

L.A.P.D. Cops don't
plant evidence.

I made a damn fool
of myself by using

a racial epithet, I never
should have done that.

You lay it out, because you've
got nothing else to lose.

I assert my Fifth
Amendment privilege.

He didn't do that.

Why in the hell
wouldn't you do that?

For you, it's a documentary.

For me, it's the end of my life.

Now I'm going to
tell you a story.

In 1989,

I was married, I had a house,

had a daughterthat
was born in '91,

a son that was born in '93.

Had this group of friends,

unbelievable friends.

Every one of them was
different than me, though.

They all came from
intact families,

fathers, houses they
still go back to,

rooms that they
still had, but they

welcomed me into this group.

I thought I had it made.

I finally was really
happy for the first time

in my life.

Then I answered a phone.

I call upon the
public to remember

that Mark Fuhrman
is not the L.A.P.D.

The vast majority of men
and women at L. AP.D.

Are hardworking, honest people.

They're husbands, they're
wives, they're sons,

they're daughters.

They have mortgages.

They have kids they want
to get through school.

They work two and three
jobs just like I did

as a young officer in the
sixties and seventies.

And they want to
divorce themselves

from what they've heard
these past few weeks.

I believe the police
force did their job,

and did it correctly,
and I cannot see any

way that the framing of O.J.
Is something that is valid.

All the evidence points
back to the police department,

and it looks like a
major setup to me.

I think he's innocent.

And not just because
I want him to be,

it's just based upon the
facts that have been given.

I have found most
people to be vehemently

convinced that O.J. Simpson is
guilty of this double murder.

Well, I believe
that he was set up.

And he's a black man in America,

and black men in
America have a hard time

getting justice.

O.J. Was known as
a very good Black man

who had appeal across
the board, racially.

Whether O.J.'s guilty or not,
is maybe why you're here.

But my theory's that people
who live out in lowa,

or out in farmland, who've
never intereacted with us,

will suddenly have a
negative opinion of us.

The Black man's image, and
the beating that it's taken

after we've worked so
hard to show

that we're not all criminals.

The long awaited
closing arguments

in the O.J. Simpson trial.

This is the last great
hurdle for the lawyers,

as they try to convince
thejury that their version

of events is the right one.

Good morning,
ladies and gentlemen.

Good morning.

Finally.

I feel like it's been forever
since I've talked to you.

It kind of has.

I got up, and I spoke to them.

I gave my argument.

In the course of presenting
all of this evidence,

some evidence has
been presented to you

that really is not relevant
to answerthe question

of who murdered Ron
Goldman and Nicole Brown.

And it's up to you, the jury,
to weed out the distractions,

weed out the sideshows and
determine what evidence

is it that really helps
me answerthis question.

I thought, "They're
listening with half an ear."

From 9:36 until 10:54,

the defendant's whereabouts
were unaccounted for.

At 10:43, Allan Park,
the limo driver,

saw a person approximately
six feet tall,

two hundred pounds,
African-American,

wearing all dark clothing
walking up the driveway.

Stone faced.

Marcia Clark.

You are truly
a marvelous jury.

Perhaps the most patient, and
healthy jury we've ever seen.

When Johnnie was up there,

they were, "Oh, we're
there, we are there."

Like the defining
moment in this trial,

the day Mr. Darden
asked Mr. Simpson to try

on those gloves and
the gloves didn't fit,

remember these words.

It was the weekend after
the glove demonstration,

and we were talking,
and you know,

Jerry was on the speaker phone.

He says, "Hey guys, hey, hey hey.

I've got, I've got a phrase."

If it doesn't fit,
you must acquit.

The room then erupted.

High fiving, hey, hey, hey.

What everybody remembers
about Johnnie Cochran's

summation is, "If it doesn't fit,
you must acquit."

Which was cute and fine,
but it wasn't the heart

of the summation.

The heart of the summation
was, "whose side are you on?"

When you go back
in the jury room,

some of you may want to say
that, "well, gee, you know,

boys will be boys, this
is just like police talk,

this is the way they talk."

That's not acceptable.

That's the consciousness
of this community.

If you adopt that attitude,

that's why we have this.

There's no more
powerful a narrative

in American society
than that of race.

A racist is somebody
who has power over you

who can do something to you.

A police officer, in the
street, a patrol officer

is the single most
powerful figure in the

criminal justice system.

He can take your life.

And that's why, that's why

this has to be rooted out.

He was magical
to watch in court.

Just magical.

Stop this cover-up.

Stop this cover-up.

If you don't stop it, then who?

Do you think the police
department's going to stop it?

Do you think the D.A.'s
office is going to stop it?

Do you think we can
stop it by ourselves?

It has to be stopped by you.

It offended me,

because he was using
a very serious,

for real issue, racial
injustice, in defense

of a man who wanted
nothing to do

with the black community.

Van Atter, with his big
lies, and then we have

Fuhrman come right on
the heels, and these

two twin devils of deception,

it's part of a culture

of getting away with things.

It's part of a culture of
looking the other way.

If we determine the
rules as we go along,

nobody's going to question us.

We're the L.AP.D.

He and that team were
willing to go anywhere

that they could to
get the killer off.

It's just not honorable.

It's not right.

Officer Fuhrman went on to say

that he would like nothing more

than to see all niggers
gathered together

and killed.

He said something
about burning them,

or bombing them.

There was another man
who had those same views.

People didn't care.

People said, "He's just crazy,
he's just a half-baked painter."

They didn't do
anything about it.

This man, this scourge
became one of the worst

people in the history of
this world, Adolf Hitler.

The word Hitler
had not been in any

of the prior drafts.

People didn't care and
didn't try to stop him.

He had the power
over his racism.

And his anti-religions.

And nobody wanted to stop him,

and it ended up in world war II.

I found his closing
arguments to be irresponsible.

Thank you, very, very much.

I appreciate your attention.

We have seen a
man who perhaps is

the worst kind of
racist himself.

Someone who shoves racism
in front of everything.

Someone who compares
a person who speaks

racist comments to Hitler.

This man is a disgrace
to human beings.

(inaudible)
No.

He is one of the most
disgusting human beings

I have ever had to
listen to in my life.

He suggests because of racism,

we should put aside
all other thought,

all other reason, and set
his murdering client free.

He's a sick man and he
ought to be put away.

Johnnie pushed.

I may have used
a different analogy

but I can't
criticize what he did.

Did you go too far
with the Hitler analogy?

Some people
are offended by that.

Excuse us, excuse us.

Could you answer
it for us, Johnnie?

Yes.

The playing of the
race card as he did

in all respects,
insinuations that were made,

impacted how I
felt about Johnnie.

Do you owe an apology
to Fred Goldman?

He owes an apology to me.

I am so tired of the unfair

suggestion that Johnnie Cochran

played the race card.

We played the credibility card.

We played the
evidence card, man.

You have to look at
the evidence in a case.

And who in America
can deny the fact

that Mark Fuhrman is
a genocidal racist?

He's their witness,
he's in the middle of this case,

so race has to be an issue.

It would have been contrary

to our oath as advocates
to ignore race.

And to not exploit it,
given the circumstances

and the context of this case,

in this city and in this time.

The attorneys are
telling my brother's story.

And it's very shocking that

once Johnnie gets up
and starts telling what

we feel happens,
that this has rocked

somebody's world.

I think it's time for
everybody to wake up,

and realize that we are
in a for-real world,

and we have dealt with
racism all our lives.

Every single day.

It's hard, it's really hard.

This guy's on
trial for his life.

Not one word that
Johnnie Cochran said

was objected to,
by the prosecution.

Unlawful, under the
rules of evidence.

So, what's the problem?

On the other hand, really?

O.J. Simpson as
civil rights victim?

Hero?

It was disgusting.

It was appalling.

What was your feeling
when Mr. Cochran

compared Mr. Fuhrman
to Adolf Hitler?

Your personal feeling, Sir?

I'll address that
after the jury verdict.

(suspenseful music)

One month after the murders,

in July last year, 63% of whites
thought Simpson was guilty.

65% of blacks thought
he was innocent.

And now, more than a year
later, with all of the evidence,

having been laid out, 77%
of whites think Simpson

is guilty, and 72% of blacks
believe he is innocent.

Blacks and whites are
actually farther apart.

It's not even the trial
of the century anymore.

Suddenly, the case of The
People Versus O.J. Simpson

has become the trial
of Los Angeles.