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You should be here and like and when they have an execution.

The people partying and drinking beer and yelling.

A smaller group with candles brain.

One of the penitentiary guards was taking him to the

room and charlie says was her and.

Executions are always schedule for early morning

hours because there is a tremendous drain on electricity.

When they were strapping young and the electric

chair he said these straps are to move would you

please tighten them and then they asked if he had any

last words and he said no.

That came in at when i was done nineteen fifty nine.

He was gone.

Okay pointed it came out in a disturb you know didn't

particularly disturb me.

I am been concerned about my own feelings of

compassion and a motion sensor and i'm wondering why

it didn't.

Nothing.

There was no hey charlie was going anywhere but to the afterlife.

Carroll was a different story.

You watched all of the anger and hurt and fear and with

charlie gone.

There was only one person left to take that pain out on

and it was her.

People wanted payback.

That terrible thing of their adnan leg up her hands

down and on earth and or is a going on her mouth.

It was the first of it's kind of these rebels lot of

cause killing people for no reason.

You could feel the fear just on the tv.

Charlie stark whether saw himself as james dean.

I've been doing a great.

Carol always wanted to be somebody.

She went on to be a star.

I thought oh wow assia hard like a broad.

I see really a scared little girl.

The only two people who witnessed what went on or

charles stark weather and carol female and

everybody else them.

Few of us have occasion to know women who have been in jail.

And even fewer who have been in a penitentiary and

this is not surprising primarily because a woman

must commit a shocking crime indeed and be

completely rejected by the community before the

court will constantly a woman.

There's always been a kind of willful innocence.

So nice it's all one nice middle class where nice to

each other.

It's prospering.

And whatever we do is is okay because we're good where

the good guys on that has always been there.

So this crazy thing happening in nebraska it seemed extraordinary.

The state contended a curfew good willingly aided

and abetted strike weather in this crime and was

equally guilty under the law.

She's fourteen years old.

And she was in this absolutely paralyzing situation.

Lead near collapse from the courtroom.

She became the youngest person ever to face life

imprisonment in this state.

In a million years or wouldn't happen today.

She would never see the type of long stay in a prisoner

reformatory that she did.

Politically i think there was a me to bring this thing

under control bring closure to it and move on.

But to was carol.

I'm not sure she would understand what prison was and

tell you know what happened.

She's practice the woman's prison.

Because she was still a juvenile she was in solitary confinement.

She was not allowed to be with anybody.

She was put in a situation that is usually considered

torture for about a year and a half until she could be

put into general population.

I understand so horrific.

And their staff had never dealt with a fourteen year

old girl.

I think they thought their role was to be.

Stern you know.

Not carrying imagine young fourteen young i need my

mother and.

She in have a matter.

People don't really realize that i lost my hamilton.

He was days when i would just cry on one in a fire.

Why use data that by my window because my went to look

down on to our game and i used to think that given

accounting you can find out they're gonna be know.

And i couldn't and i'd wake and i played and what

happened to macavity had just kind of of my.

There's a naive day.

The mean even when she was in prison she still had this

optimism some someday i'll be free brown and out to

birmingham alabama.

My mm could run.

I'm a quarterback.

Now.

Read my mom and alcohol.

When i'm.

When i'm gonna come from wherever i'm now.

Carol wanted a new case she wanted another trial even

if there had been a risk of are having a more severe sentence.

She wanted to prove herself innocent.

And there was no supreme court decision.

I was still in high school at the time.

It was relating to whether carol could even be tried

as an adult with she was.

Her hopes were high that the supreme court will

correct this.

They don't have a choice.

But supreme court held that she could be tried as an adult.

Churches courts are like anybody else.

They are subject to the public opinions.

Carroll was devastated.

In the public consciousness it was a sensational

crime at the time because we've got all of these very

powerful themes presented in the package of these

two kids.

Reform school girls.

Juvenile delinquency.

Love gone wrong.

Rape and murder from a storytelling says it like fit

pulpy storytelling from the get go.

Rebels lot of cause go out and killing people for no

reason and driving across america.

I'm a nomad with three hundred horsepower.

Girl and gun even better.

You can maintain your sanctimony and your piety as

your rattling and every detail of the sex and death.

While charlie was on death row he set out to write his autobiography.

Amazingly a reporter that was favorable to him

helped him get a truncated version printed in parade magazine.

The number one magazine in america.

With his own byline.

I mean it's absurd he was insane.

All it's and spree was taking place.

I was scared.

Jittery tired from lost sleep.

That was gonna give up.

Gerald and threatened atlanta she she wasn't gonna

give up and that no one else is gonna make maker and

with a shotgun lane cross or lap with barrel pointed

directly at me.

With her fast talking she convinced me.

And we didn't have anything to gain by given out.

Charlie stole carols narrative and pray magazine

started part of the false narrative that carroll was

in cahoots with this guy.

Everybody started to look at the case the way they

wanted and would take.

Charlie stark weather's an arrogant and concoct

their own stories.

It started of seep into popular culture.

With the say that.

There was actually a gun smoke episode.

A fellow smarting live by do it.

The naked city episode stuck with the case the people

they kill the tonight my a nice round.

Superstitious number people were selling tickets

to a certain narrative.

And carol never got a break.

Monterey.

I get cigarette on a and now my map.

Carroll was a sort of innocent seeming school girl.

Willing to reverse all of the moral and social codes

of her society.

She was a backstop or.

A narcissist.

Out for herself please i beg of you talk to your boy.

This is a rock fairly good.

It is.

God forbid you a really good i.

The stark whether case became a mirror reflecting

the darker aspects of our society.

Our humanity.

This set of crimes and these characters stayed in the

national memory.

For better or for worse.

Now.

Away from home.

And material.

I could understand i look out for a girl.

We're starting a new right.

Map.

And i could have been.

Right.

She had the maintain a very precarious balance she

had though.

Walk a tightrope.

She could not identify with the inmates are you would

become an inmate in spirit and outlook.

She had to be aloof from the management or she would

incur the enmity of the and.

You're having gone through the trauma with stark

whether i mean.

I would be a horrifying experience for anyone.

Where me he groom that girl from the day he mad her as to

control her.

South carolina year and did not trust too many people

and she carried the baggage yeah.

A manhole crime into the prison system.

I tried all leash to speak quietly the cal.

And certainly or other i just try to instill and to her

of quieter lie.

A nicer walk.

And things that i thought would help or we could.

I had no idea that related coward cowardly with us as

long as she lives.

I started in corrections and your nebraska and sixty

eight and caroline.

Few gate was the gate girl so when i when and for the

interview carol few gay open the gate for it which i

had no idea.

This was her.

It was very primitive.

The women warehouse house dresses.

Cannot wear makeup.

And when they spoke to the staff they were not to look

at us.

But that was the era we are very punitive.

I started out on night shift and rosie the ranks.

Normally do become a warden.

You are used for a fifty five years old sixty.

Today.

The reformatory is run by thirty six year old jackie crawford.

The youngest warden in the united states there's a

certain therapeutic value to lock up and die.

We have seen women crawl really cool.

I was young and i was adventurous and bold.

Much bolder than price should have been.

And at that time made law changes.

The reformatories rules are strict but the

atmosphere is generally relaxed.

Jack crawford golan for a lot more freedoms of the prisoners.

And one of those programs was to allow inmates who

were on good behavior to go see your lawyers.

So carol go and spend a whole weekend with my

grandparents or with my parents in lincoln.

She went with my mom and walks around the block.

I was even babysat fire a couple times.

And my father took her to the swimming pool of this

apartment complex that he out we just all went out.

Swimming had a good day and a lot and then girl was

taken back to the prison.

But somebody raise holy hell to the prison and and

complained about it.

And jack crawford stop allowing her to go to lankan

because people were so hateful up her.

Tuesday you go there and you bring up girl seagate.

Lot of people say she should have been right there on

charlie's lap.

The emotion of this whole thing it permeated lankan.

There's a stigma.

And and corrections we're not here to forgive.

We're not fear for atonement.

The women they have to be able to look in that mirror

and they know what they've done or with.

They haven't done and they have to live with that.

I don't.

I really wish that there was something i could do i

wish with the magic word.

I could fail a magic phrase.

Or something.

That would connect could.

Bring people back.

I'm sorry.

I'm deeply sorry.

It happened.

And go.

I just went on my to i a kill them.

Yeah.

No one carroll was incarcerated.

She was never once cited for an a disciplinary action.

Carroll was a very passive current a person.

She never really challenged any rule or any

direction and every time there was any controversy

or any tension.

In the institution she froze.

She froze i.

I watched her.

Jackie crawford atomic carol came to her crying.

One day said she wanted me locked up in solitary syntax.

Yes will find the world would you wanna do that.

Carol kept saying that other inmates were trying to

incite her to do something to break the rules because

you know of her perfect fresh.

However if you have had carroll said i'm afraid a

hockey though i'll do something.

She was tortured.

She was tortured every day when people would come in

you to tour a special interest groups.

The first thing out everyone's about a worse carol

amp few get worse than murder you know.

She said if i hadn't hooked up with this guy or meant

this guy you know all of this wouldn't have happened israeli.

My fault she continuously blamed herself for so much

of it.

Why didn't you run here are waiting to run their when

he had this opportunity or that opportunity and in no

time did i have a clear cut off.

No time without it being said that someone would die.

I feel like one of the reasons why this story is so

powerful and sell resin men as because of her.

She was this story more than he was because without her.

He's just a guy walking around killing people.

There must have been so much speculation about the

fact that they broke the norms of their repressive

small town.

Nebraska you know society and struck out on their own

and i can only imagine how many teenagers fantasized

about being able to do that you know maybe minus the

murder spree.

Are you going.

And badlands was clearly picking up on this

archetype in nineteen seventy three daddy.

This is ali in that movie malik is narrating the crime

spree obviously.

And the relationship between these two kids.

But with badlands it did much more than just present a

crime story.

It was questioning not just why these kids did this

but like what does this mean.

Who are we that this happens.

Through the lens of that crime malik is trying to

understand the desire to live an image rather than a

boring reality.

Rather than just you know you're boring old.

I'm a garbage man.

Some resource like.

I guess your as by james dean.

He's able to explore ideas about nihilism and existentialism.

The maybe that's why he wanted to distance himself

from the actual stark weather events because he was

doing something so different with their story.

When the movie badlands was made terrence malick and

martin sheen brought the movie york and had a private

screening with carol.

She had made arrangements to get out on a weekend leave.

Just so we could all gather and talk.

And we went to dinner with martin sheen.

You know what the only cafe they have been york.

He was just so humble and was so comfortable with kara.

And then the movie.

When we said in the theater or very many of us.

Overweight we're talking was curls rash and going to me.

Martin's depiction of sharp whether his mannerisms

were just exactly what she remembered.

Where's by was boxcar and he's mumbling to himself

going back and forth.

She says i can remember charlie doing that very thing

and that's what disturbed or about it.

Carol reached out to martin and she said charlie

you've come back to haunt me.

Badlands came out on i just turned nineteen.

And to the re i had a crazy adolescent phase.

I was at the beaker depth of that.

And i went to the film knowing that this was based on

stark weather and and to me.

So it just struck many nerves.

Oh.

It was only much later actually then.

I realized this is a romanticization.

That film made charlie's dark weather look much

better than charles.

Stark.

Weather was however and our mortgage off his charges.

As a whole lot of the boys out there wait for you the i

love for.

And at the house that would have been my grandparents.

This scenario play it out really differently.

Hi yeah.

Yeah.

A when he also exaggerated.

Now.

Nobody gets killed them that house.

Okay come on you do now so that movie was.

So much last bird all than the actual murder.

Like i gotta oh well.

I'm not going down and look.

Badlands is really a fairy tale.

It was nothing like care all sojourn with mr stark weather.

Sisi space sack as carol went feel like a fog.

She's almost pre euphoric pot smoker.

Change crazy.

Oh now.

The claim of got a i'm a little finger.

I never tell shoot anybody.

Badlands in many ways reflects charlie's point of

view which was he goes and does things.

And carol kind of goes with it and never really does

anything but also never really has any emotions

about anything.

I didn't feel shame fair and just kind of blow back

when you're sitting.

There.

Novel waters run out of that it wasn't that trails but

it was.

I had.

Memory is very iffy and fungible and in the popular

imagination or certainly the imagination and bruce

springsteen badlands becomes the story singer

bruce springsteen as released an album that may make

go few gate and child stock weather as well known

among the young as once they were as well known as they

were a for example when mr stark weather was executed.

For this song or member i i'd been move or turns malik

film badlands and i got interested in the story.

You can put together a lot of detail but unless you

pull something about yourself.

As is gonna lay flat on the page you gotta find out when

you have in common with their character no matter who

they are what they did.

When i was in college.

There was an older man.

And i remember him saying oh you know there's a song

about it a dead end.

He said you don't know bruce springsteen nebraska.

Room.

Oh wow.

Ls more and shock.

Because i realized how much this story has permeated

popular culture you don't.

I think a man.

Six thanks fuck the line drives me crazy when natural

born killers and for romance and these other

inspired by versions of young attractive movie star

couples going on killing sprees came out in the early nineties.

All made by macho baby boomer deeds movie directors

who grew up on badlands and stark weather.

They all struck me as brutal.

Pointless.

You know their true existential heroes.

The start whether story draws viewers no matter what.

Obviously natural born killers this is a retelling

of the intersection with mass media and the start

whether case.

Mickey and mallory.

Stole the show.

Those characters become heroes because they're

beautiful they're interesting and charismatic.

And the violence in movies is bad or gore but there's

something really appealing about it.

It's sort of lovingly rendered violence.

It's not the filmmakers fault that society is where

it is.

The filmmaker does his best to reflect society the

way he sees it.

That our society is culturally in a very bankrupt and

violent mode.

We want to get close to violence.

But we don't want to be real violence.

We don't want to be too real.

It makes it watchable.

It makes it interesting.

It is the ultimate expression of freedom is still at

me now jack.

I've always looked to just you know next year or maybe

next year or maybe next year or next year or next year

and tell finally all these years of tracked off by themselves.

But i i've never interested in the mayor and you know

look in fact you know my goodness girl you know life he had.

I think probably personally if i had.

Oh really.

Said in my mind.

This is it you are for ever and ever ever do.

You up to a penitentiary.

I don't think either.

I really into.

Carol appealed or sentence time after time after time.

The appeals process where on for so long that my

father who is carol same age when through high school

then through college them through law school and

then the actually became her appeals attorney.

And the appeals process of ended up going all the way

to the us supreme court again.

I think carol had hope this was gonna be a she was gonna

have a break.

But she was pretty naive because when you're

institutionalizes is kind of a bubble you know you

really are not subjected to other people's perception.

Perceptions are so important.

When you terrify entire state unlock it down people

don't forget that very quickly.

Picture of was just basically an optimistic person

by very nature.

She always thought that the law was meant for her

protection as well as anybody.

The supreme court decided that the evidence against

carroll was so strong that essentially show was not

entitled a river trail.

She was guilty so it didn't matter.

And a case of this magnitude when there was such a huge

outpouring of prejudice against carol.

Oh wow just breaks down.

That was the end of the appeals our been nineteen

seventy two so that was the end of the road.

When her appeal was denied i received a call from the

director of corrections.

He was concerned how she would react when she be suicidal.

And just about to time at hang up carols at my door.

I just allowed her to talk.

Why won't they believe me i never will get out of here yeah.

I will never be able to prove that i was innocent.

So maybe she's put me in the whole just forget about me

throw away.

The key you know it's one of those just being very

disenchanted so to speak you know.

I have started to feel that you know it's just.

He's just too high to do you know it's really it's just

too hard yeah.

I'm not gonna make it tomorrow.

And while it's tied to show.

My face started to show my hairstyle the show.

He just started to shell that i was going to a

difficult for when i thought you know.

What is the huge yeah.

I just not been wake up and down was his coffin

assistant superintendent.

She said come your cash is an hour shows and.

And sticking by the hand chiming in a she said looking near.

And i looked in the meal and i cry because i looked like.

I was just going down here.

I said nah nah nah.

We're not gonna do that nicer work on do something different.

Maybe we're gonna help build near him each.

She's well what do you mean.

I says well you know.

Let's see what we can do as a corpus make up on positive.

I always do that when i feel bad carol some couples

some makeup and i should fix your hair.

She had beautiful hair beautiful hair and he's down

without that.

I got my haircut.

You know a fixed myself up and i really look kinda.

I looked better.

I felt better and she gave neat she gave me something

to make me go on.

Yeah mass murder incest what they want to portray her

as we just didn't see that and because of her crime and

the visibility.

I found that she needed all the help she could get to

five and do it.

You want me to do this and yeah what's up and at that

time nine at beaver came out.

She was the reporter.

Right now.

Fifteen random girl i've been having and a better life.

Glad to read i played can.

Program where the a blank.

Ny now felt like she went to see how much should grow

and or what had happened to her.

And carol mean of course she met with her and nine.

It was so impressed with carol and and how articulate

she was.

So she asked for permission to film with carol nbc

news presents growing up in prison.

Here we go with the media the cameras you know.

This could be an expos that a and i think she was little

bit apprehensive all weren't.

They don't like me order for you know.

I said carol go in there and just be careful because

that's important for people to get to know you in sometimes.

I wondered why i was the one that town.

Only survive.

And down.

I don't it's it's just something inside if it's

really hard.

It is funny hydroplaning once.

But i used to wonder on.

Whining why was i the only one.

They were so impressed how the community had opened

their arms to carol.

Some of the women from the reformatory are allowed to

visit york under supervision.

Girl few they had never been to a bowling alley before

the or imprisonment cheers.

Her averaged one hundred and three.

And carol she was not as afraid as she used to be and she

started seeing a different side of life.

Gerald few gate was baptized or roman catholic two

years ago.

On sunday.

She works as a volunteer at the local church of the nursery.

I found out that i'm a child of god.

And that no matter what happens.

No matter what happened.

In the side of god.

It's over.

Four hundred women have been released since girl

view go began serving her life sentence.

There is not one person left not an inmate not a guard

who was here when she arrived.

She speaks to civic groups and service clubs

throughout the state without revealing her identity.

But this day everyone knew she was our philosophy if

to deal with a total one.

I programmed if not deal with why she had there but why

she dead machine when he can.

I went through a period of wishing.

That i was someone else.

I would get will upset if people said my last.

Because it was like semi throwing mud.

It hurt.

But town diane care of the gate and it doesn't need a

bitter taste in my mouth.

Growing up in prison was kind a launching pad to see

her in a different perspective which was very good

for her.

It elevated her profile.

I received some from mom thirteen year old girls that

fourteen eighteen some of whom twenty.

I want to maybe try and put a crossed to these.

Teenagers that at this age isn't the age that i got in trouble.

I have some teenage children and.

They have really been doing some the.

Very deep inside.

That's when carolyn applied for parole.

And there was a lot of controversy.

Oh.

I definitely am opposed to her release at any time.

I think it would be a miscarriage of justice for the

ones that too.

Or taken for herder.

He released did have a good life alone.

But you don't forget don't even a little bit.

There's so much pain the trauma that the entire state experienced.

When i advocated for her parole i even received some

letters that were saying how dare you.

She was a mass killer a murderer and how would you like

it if your family would have been part of it.

So it was very chaotic day.

The parole board hearing was held on site.

The media i mean it was just you know it all over the place.

The room was full of cameras and microphones.

Fact there were some money microphones and saying

azhar das.

We hardly have room for a materials.

Our law the constitution created a parole board for a purpose.

We determine where the not just person as worthy of

forgiveness it's and some caliber.

I don't think there's any doubt about or ill.

The fact i think probably she was instigator of most

of this.

Just got says it all and.

The does far as i'm concerned.

We try not to second guess the jury.

They had the benefit of her testify.

Him testifying they had the case files the evidence.

But our feelings effect darkness sessions and if the

witnesses and the test of fires made a good case.

It can convince us.

During her hearing the parole board asked mister.

Crawford is there something you'd like to add and i

sell society has gotten a pound of flesh.

It was like how dare she say that i misspoke i price

should have softened it a little bit but they wanted

her to admit that she was guilty and she says i am not

going to do that.

She was willing to never get our prison relevant to

admit is she had something to do.

The she planned schemed or whatever with him because

she says you have to be there to understand how was

traumatized and one.

I witnessed.

She's an honorary want anyone to ever believe that.

I was an accomplice with him.

You haven't eaten today.

I have fine for the people who for eighteen years have

hated me throwback get it if destroy their life if

destroy your life and it's made their like mormon

prison in mind.

And i told that way.

For thing is not.

In a twenty five.

I was worried about it because of the notoriety.

Because of the median in some of this was politicize.

And you either get paroled are you don't but young

women who were not paroled.

Sometimes they would regress.

Whisk carol having gone through the trauma that she did.

I was worried about suicide.

But there is a god must put it that way.

Now majority vote.

You ought to be to the point program.

She was stand.

And the media was lined up our defense.

Beijing lights and cameras and everything it was

horrific give really was.

Girl and few good has passed through those gauge many

times before on work release and other community projects.

But it'll be much different when she leaves june twentieth.

That's when she begins or parole when she will ask

society to and her words except me for what i am not by

what you have heard know your bundle of nerves cause

you do not want the media following her because we

will ruin her chance on having a normal life.

So we were somewhat secret even maybe a little bit deceiving.

Very late at night we put carol and to trucker the car

and drove out your just like we were going home or something.

So that we could get her on an airplane to michigan.

It was a little bit emotional universe.

Other staff there and everyone wish to the best.

I gave a big hug in.

I told her isis know we're here for you don't let us down.

She says i promise you.

I will.

What was launched out of life.

I like it federal down get married have come.

Here.

He don't get a house clean toilets.

An ordinary of the be why.

And nebraska all board today will a new chapter in

while the most violent crime stories in this

country's history and terms of overall she'll be

able to start a new life and clinton county.

Michigan know it burns as everyone.

So far only a few people in clinton county know where

care of you gave will live where she will work or if

you've even here yet zoom.

Everyone will know when i have that report about

carol and to game is few gate and charles dark whether

were convicted of a series of brutal murders some

years ago.

The to them on on a killing spree in nebraska and

wyoming miss.

View gate is always said she's innocent with us live

and are like and bureau is eugene masters the

assistant you police and like and of the time of the

stark whether killing spree and you're still

convince them that she went as a willing accomplice.

I know the she did they would have been to go to death to

give her or lie detector test.

Terrell that she has done when the past.

But the past was not done with her.