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Magical. 7 00:00:31,991 --> 00:00:34,952 CARPENTER: I do remember the very first 45 I bought 8 00:00:35,077 --> 00:00:36,412 was "I Heard It through the Grapevine," 9 00:00:36,537 --> 00:00:39,248 and singing in the kitchen with my sisters. 10 00:00:43,461 --> 00:00:47,965 NARRATOR: Records, cassettes, CDs, and MP3s. 11 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:50,885 These are not just vehicles for music. 12 00:00:51,010 --> 00:00:53,220 They are reflections of ourselves 13 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:54,889 and the times we live in. 14 00:00:56,432 --> 00:00:57,475 HOROVITZ: So, you had your cassette, 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,977 and you'd put all your favorite songs on it. 16 00:01:00,102 --> 00:01:01,103 MILNER: Make a collection 17 00:01:01,228 --> 00:01:02,813 that you wanted to give to someone you liked. 18 00:01:02,938 --> 00:01:05,566 HOROVITZ: This is how I feel, you know, about you. 19 00:01:11,572 --> 00:01:13,449 NARRATOR: As technology has evolved, 20 00:01:13,574 --> 00:01:17,036 each generation has had a format to call its own. 21 00:01:17,161 --> 00:01:20,247 When I was born, people were listening to vinyl. 22 00:01:20,372 --> 00:01:23,084 [ Graham Central Station's "Your Love" playing ] 23 00:01:28,714 --> 00:01:31,717 McDANlELS: The first album I paid my own allowance for 24 00:01:31,842 --> 00:01:34,261 was Larry Graham and Graham Central Station. 25 00:01:34,386 --> 00:01:36,847 That was my album. 26 00:01:38,808 --> 00:01:41,227 VEGA: Everything about vinyl was great. 27 00:01:41,352 --> 00:01:43,646 The smell of it when you took it out of the package. 28 00:01:43,771 --> 00:01:45,147 JIMMY JAM: You'd get liner notes, 29 00:01:45,272 --> 00:01:46,357 which I always loved to read. 30 00:01:46,482 --> 00:01:47,608 ST. VINCENT: I knew who engineered that record, 31 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:49,401 and I knew who produced that record. 32 00:01:49,527 --> 00:01:52,488 That was my complete and total obsession. 33 00:01:55,199 --> 00:01:57,618 NELSON: This is my modern-day jukebox here, 34 00:01:57,743 --> 00:02:00,454 where I can hear new music as it comes out. 35 00:02:00,579 --> 00:02:02,748 They send it to me. They MP3 me. 36 00:02:05,334 --> 00:02:08,003 You can get access to all the songs on the planet, 37 00:02:08,129 --> 00:02:09,255 and I think that is brilliant. 38 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:11,674 CHUCK D: We're heading to a whole bunch of new rules. 39 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:14,677 Like, some people are like, "Oh, I miss going to a record store 40 00:02:14,802 --> 00:02:16,679 and just taking the record 41 00:02:16,804 --> 00:02:19,265 and opening it up and smelling the [Sniffs] 42 00:02:19,390 --> 00:02:21,016 Well, I say, "Well, you're being a romantic. 43 00:02:21,142 --> 00:02:22,101 I mean, that's wonderful. 44 00:02:22,226 --> 00:02:23,978 Let's write some books about it." 45 00:02:25,521 --> 00:02:26,522 NARRATOR: This is the story 46 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:31,193 of our on-again, off-again love affair with musical formats 47 00:02:31,318 --> 00:02:34,989 and how magical pieces of wax, plastic, and silicon 48 00:02:35,114 --> 00:02:36,949 changed the world. 49 00:02:37,074 --> 00:02:41,328 All people always think their time, 50 00:02:41,453 --> 00:02:43,873 their music, was better. 51 00:02:43,998 --> 00:02:45,791 Mine actually was. 52 00:03:39,762 --> 00:03:41,347 BAMBAATAA: Way back, before my time, 53 00:03:41,472 --> 00:03:44,016 they had the turntable that you used to have to crank up. 54 00:03:44,141 --> 00:03:48,229 Then it has this big, fat needle with a little pin on it, 55 00:03:48,354 --> 00:03:49,438 and it could get on the record, 56 00:03:49,563 --> 00:03:51,899 and you might hear the crack and pops poppin' in it, 57 00:03:52,024 --> 00:03:55,486 and they used to hear the song comin' through a horn. 58 00:04:00,950 --> 00:04:03,577 You might not have had no bass, but you had a lot of treble, 59 00:04:03,702 --> 00:04:06,163 but you still was ready to dance with it. 60 00:04:06,288 --> 00:04:08,832 GRANATA: Those old 78 RPM records -- 61 00:04:08,958 --> 00:04:12,753 The grooves were cut into shellac and were very noisy. 62 00:04:12,878 --> 00:04:16,674 Those 78s, their playing time was three minutes, each side. 63 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:21,011 The 78 was, you know, big, and it broke. 64 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,274 GRANATA: In the 1940s, two major rivals 65 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:34,858 had been experimenting with a way 66 00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:38,320 to create a quieter record with a longer playing time. 67 00:04:39,697 --> 00:04:42,574 There was Columbia, headed by William Paley, 68 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:46,078 and RCA Victor, which was headed by David Sarnoff. 69 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:49,039 Sarnoff had RCA, and they had everything, okay? 70 00:04:49,164 --> 00:04:51,542 They had radio. They invented the record player. 71 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:52,960 They invented the record, 72 00:04:53,085 --> 00:04:57,506 the record being the 10-inch shellac 78. 73 00:04:57,631 --> 00:05:03,053 So, in 1948, Sarnoff, going along merrily, owning the world, 74 00:05:03,178 --> 00:05:06,348 and this upstart Paley, 10 years younger, 75 00:05:06,473 --> 00:05:09,852 invites him to the CBS office and says, "Listen, David, 76 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:12,396 we want you to hear our new product." 77 00:05:12,521 --> 00:05:16,317 And he plays him the first 33 album. 78 00:05:16,442 --> 00:05:18,193 A new kind of record, 79 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:23,991 LPs play for 25 instead of 4 minutes without interruption. 80 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:27,369 GRANATA: As though it were a top-secret mission, 81 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:32,750 Paley had his engineers create a long-playing vinyl record 82 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:37,963 before RCA had the chance to come out with their version, 83 00:05:38,088 --> 00:05:41,008 so that really aggravated Sarnoff. 84 00:05:41,133 --> 00:05:42,676 VAN ZANDT: So, Sarnoff leaves there 85 00:05:42,801 --> 00:05:44,720 and calls his entire office into the room, 86 00:05:44,845 --> 00:05:46,847 and says, you know, "You have exactly five minutes 87 00:05:46,972 --> 00:05:50,017 to explain to me how this punk beat me to the punch 88 00:05:50,142 --> 00:05:51,018 with something new." 89 00:05:51,143 --> 00:05:53,103 And they go through all their files 90 00:05:53,228 --> 00:05:55,439 looking for some way to combat this, 91 00:05:55,564 --> 00:05:58,859 and they go all the way back to their very first record. 92 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:02,821 It happened to be a 7-inch disc. 93 00:06:05,991 --> 00:06:09,119 And they create the 7-inch 45. 94 00:06:09,244 --> 00:06:14,083 MAN: On the new distortion-free RCA Victor 45 RPM record. 95 00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:23,217 GRANATA: What are teenagers listening to on the radio? 96 00:06:23,342 --> 00:06:26,845 They're listening to one song, two songs, 97 00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:28,555 that are the most popular. 98 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,143 So let's come out with a disc that has two songs on it, 99 00:06:33,268 --> 00:06:35,979 and we'll sell it for 50 cents. 100 00:06:36,105 --> 00:06:38,524 VAN ZANDT: And, along with the kid's records, 101 00:06:38,649 --> 00:06:40,275 the kid's record player, 102 00:06:40,401 --> 00:06:45,489 which he takes into his room by himself to play his records. 103 00:06:45,614 --> 00:06:49,576 And a whole new thing is born called "teenage rock 'n' roll." 104 00:06:55,374 --> 00:06:56,583 ANKA: Music was everywhere, 105 00:06:56,708 --> 00:06:58,794 and it was always a social event 106 00:06:58,919 --> 00:07:01,880 based around that funny little machine. 107 00:07:04,925 --> 00:07:06,635 BECK: To hear Eddie Cochran, "Twenty Flight Rock." 108 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,803 That was it, when this thing 109 00:07:07,928 --> 00:07:11,515 used to whirl around and almost rattle itself off the table 110 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,891 'cause it's spinning so fast. 111 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,396 DALTREY: The rock single was the thing 112 00:07:17,521 --> 00:07:19,773 that really made us all want to be rock singers 113 00:07:19,898 --> 00:07:22,234 or guitarists or in a band, 114 00:07:22,359 --> 00:07:23,902 and it was the noise of it. 115 00:07:29,324 --> 00:07:30,367 MARTIN: What amazed me 116 00:07:30,492 --> 00:07:33,370 was the sheer technical ferocity of the stuff. 117 00:07:33,495 --> 00:07:35,265 Volume ! 118 00:07:36,623 --> 00:07:39,334 I could actually see the loudness 119 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:41,587 of the record in the groove. 120 00:07:41,712 --> 00:07:43,547 The louder you could make a pop record, 121 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:45,132 the better it was likely to sell. 122 00:07:48,927 --> 00:07:51,889 ROONEY: Rock 'n' roll was considered bad 123 00:07:52,014 --> 00:07:53,515 for the youth of America 124 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,727 by a lot of people, mostly adults. 125 00:08:03,609 --> 00:08:06,528 Music was segregated during the '50s. 126 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:10,616 People used to call black music race music. 127 00:08:10,741 --> 00:08:12,284 And a lot of the people used to think 128 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:16,038 that it was a little too suggestive. 129 00:08:25,255 --> 00:08:27,216 The 45 records, 130 00:08:27,341 --> 00:08:31,303 I think, did a lot for bringing the races together. 131 00:08:31,428 --> 00:08:36,725 I think it was beginning of the end for that old race music. 132 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:40,646 STOLLER: Jerry and I were young white kids, 133 00:08:40,771 --> 00:08:43,857 even though we liked to think of ourselves as black, 134 00:08:43,982 --> 00:08:47,277 who loved black music, 135 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:50,447 and those were the artists that we wanted to write for. 136 00:08:50,572 --> 00:08:52,824 LEIBER: I first met Big Mama Thornton 137 00:08:52,950 --> 00:08:55,285 in Johnny Otis' rehearsal space. 138 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:58,121 She was quite intimidating. 139 00:08:58,247 --> 00:09:00,707 STOLLER: She had a few scars on her face, 140 00:09:00,832 --> 00:09:04,503 looked like razor scars, but she could sing. 141 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:22,521 The A&R man, Johnny Otis, called and said, 142 00:09:22,646 --> 00:09:25,023 "I'm doing a session with her, 143 00:09:25,148 --> 00:09:28,026 and I need songs, so you better come on down." 144 00:09:29,528 --> 00:09:32,447 LEIBER: She was wearing old farmer jeans. 145 00:09:32,573 --> 00:09:36,243 She looked like she didn't have much use for guys like us. 146 00:09:36,368 --> 00:09:41,081 STOLLER: Her actual physical being inspired Jerry. 147 00:09:41,206 --> 00:09:44,960 I think it probably took us about 10 minutes 148 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:46,295 to write "Hound Dog." 149 00:09:46,420 --> 00:09:47,504 LEIBER: I said, "You know what, man? 150 00:09:47,629 --> 00:09:49,047 I'm not happy with this song." 151 00:09:49,172 --> 00:09:51,633 I said, "'You ain't nothin' but a hound dog' is not -- 152 00:09:51,758 --> 00:09:52,718 It's not enough kick. 153 00:09:52,843 --> 00:09:53,885 I want something really dirty, 154 00:09:54,011 --> 00:09:56,471 like 'Dirty Mother Furrier' don't you know?" 155 00:09:56,597 --> 00:09:58,974 And I said, "No, they won't play that on the radio." 156 00:09:59,099 --> 00:10:02,769 I really want something that's really kick-ass. 157 00:10:02,894 --> 00:10:05,397 Hound dog? I mean, give me a break. 158 00:10:05,522 --> 00:10:08,900 We attempted to interest her in the song. 159 00:10:09,026 --> 00:10:10,861 She snatched the paper out of my hand. 160 00:10:11,570 --> 00:10:13,905 She said, "What's this?" I said, "That's the song." 161 00:10:14,031 --> 00:10:16,074 She said, "This the song?" I said, "Yeah." 162 00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:22,581 ? You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ? 163 00:10:22,706 --> 00:10:23,999 STOLLER: I remember Jerry saying, 164 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:26,251 "It doesn't go like that, Big Mama." 165 00:10:26,376 --> 00:10:31,632 She said, "White boy, don't tell me how to sing the blues." 166 00:10:31,757 --> 00:10:36,428 ? You ain't nothin' but a hound dog ? 167 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:38,680 ? Been snooping around the door ? 168 00:10:38,805 --> 00:10:39,765 And we knew we had a hit. 169 00:10:56,365 --> 00:10:57,824 JOHN: My mum came home with a record. 170 00:10:57,949 --> 00:10:59,660 She said, "I've just heard this record, 171 00:10:59,785 --> 00:11:01,662 and it's a sort of music I've never heard before." 172 00:11:01,787 --> 00:11:03,205 She said, "But it's fantastic." 173 00:11:03,330 --> 00:11:04,623 And she said, "Listen to it." 174 00:11:13,382 --> 00:11:14,758 It was a total introduction 175 00:11:14,883 --> 00:11:16,927 to a different sort of music, obviously, 176 00:11:17,052 --> 00:11:19,388 which I found out later to have its roots in blues 177 00:11:19,513 --> 00:11:24,101 and rockabilly and folk and country and gospel. 178 00:11:24,226 --> 00:11:27,062 But, you know, Elvis Presley, you know, was the one. 179 00:11:32,109 --> 00:11:36,405 Thanks to Elvis, we were able to combine a mixture 180 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:39,825 of what they thought white felt and what blacks felt. 181 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:47,332 Elvis brought a style of his own 182 00:11:47,457 --> 00:11:50,085 of wiggling his behind and what have you 183 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:54,047 and singing the same song by Big Mama Thornton, 184 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:56,466 and all of a sudden, it became acceptable. 185 00:12:00,262 --> 00:12:03,181 When I heard Elvis' rendition of "Hound Dog," 186 00:12:03,306 --> 00:12:06,143 I thought it was kind of rockabilly, 187 00:12:06,268 --> 00:12:08,061 didn't have any blood in it. 188 00:12:08,186 --> 00:12:12,649 STOLLER: But, after it sold 7 million records, 189 00:12:12,774 --> 00:12:15,902 it started to sound better. 190 00:12:26,204 --> 00:12:30,167 GRANATA: Big Mama Thornton's recording of "Hound Dog" in 1953 191 00:12:30,292 --> 00:12:31,793 did very well. 192 00:12:31,918 --> 00:12:34,963 It was a 78 RPM that sold between half a million 193 00:12:35,088 --> 00:12:36,590 and a million copies. 194 00:12:36,715 --> 00:12:42,179 When Elvis' came out on a 45 RPM record in 1956, 195 00:12:42,304 --> 00:12:45,557 it sold 10 million copies. 196 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:50,395 And that was a turning point for the 45. 197 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,731 [ "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning" plays ] 198 00:12:52,856 --> 00:12:56,651 Meanwhile, other artists are beginning to make inroads 199 00:12:56,777 --> 00:12:59,905 with the 33 1/3 LP. 200 00:13:16,254 --> 00:13:21,218 By 1954, Frank Sinatra is at the top of his game, 201 00:13:21,343 --> 00:13:24,971 the sweet spot for his voice and his work. 202 00:13:25,096 --> 00:13:30,519 At the same time, he's got this deep emotional upheaval, 203 00:13:30,644 --> 00:13:33,522 'cause he's really carrying a torch for Ava Gardner, 204 00:13:33,647 --> 00:13:37,734 to whom he's still married, but not with. 205 00:13:37,859 --> 00:13:39,861 He's already broken up with her. 206 00:13:43,448 --> 00:13:45,784 And when he walked into the Capitol studio 207 00:13:45,909 --> 00:13:48,328 to record "In the Wee Small Hours," 208 00:13:48,453 --> 00:13:53,416 he understood that he could use this new format, the LP, 209 00:13:53,542 --> 00:13:55,752 for long-form expression. 210 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:08,682 ROSEN: Before the long-playing record, 211 00:14:08,807 --> 00:14:11,309 we had a 3-minute-long song. 212 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:14,729 Now we could have a long-form musical story, 213 00:14:14,855 --> 00:14:16,439 and so Sinatra created this crazy thing 214 00:14:16,565 --> 00:14:17,941 called the "concept record." 215 00:14:24,072 --> 00:14:26,783 GRANATA: Frank sat with little pieces of paper 216 00:14:26,908 --> 00:14:28,368 with each song title on it, 217 00:14:28,493 --> 00:14:33,248 and he would shuffle them around so that they told a story. 218 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:37,168 16 songs, single statement -- 219 00:14:37,294 --> 00:14:39,004 what it's like to lose your love. 220 00:14:39,129 --> 00:14:43,008 ? While I sit and sigh ? 221 00:14:43,133 --> 00:14:46,094 Frank always wanted Ava back, 222 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:48,722 and what we hear in "In the Wee Small Hours" 223 00:14:48,847 --> 00:14:50,891 is a reflection of that anguish 224 00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:54,060 that he had lost this great love of his life. 225 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:27,969 This landmark album coincided with true high-fidelity sound, 226 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:30,305 the LP, magnetic tape, 227 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:33,141 and these gorgeous Neumann microphones 228 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:36,519 that gave you the most incredible richness. 229 00:15:36,645 --> 00:15:38,313 I mean, as we're sitting here at Capitol, 230 00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:41,149 I still get blown away by this room. 231 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:43,902 Right on that exact spot 232 00:15:44,027 --> 00:15:45,487 there was a full orchestra setup, 233 00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:47,447 and Sinatra was facing this way, 234 00:15:47,572 --> 00:15:49,366 and he sang all the songs. 235 00:15:49,491 --> 00:15:51,660 CASH: I was just in the old Capitol building, 236 00:15:51,785 --> 00:15:52,661 and we went in that room 237 00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:55,288 where Sinatra recorded with Nelson Riddle 238 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:57,457 those great classic records. 239 00:15:57,582 --> 00:15:59,334 And that microphone. 240 00:15:59,459 --> 00:16:02,587 It was just so goosebump-y. 241 00:16:18,228 --> 00:16:20,730 GRANATA: In creating this concept album, 242 00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:25,986 Sinatra solidified a format for all of music to follow. 243 00:16:33,451 --> 00:16:36,871 When 78 RPM discs were the format, 244 00:16:36,997 --> 00:16:38,623 and the only format out there, 245 00:16:38,748 --> 00:16:41,668 it didn't really matter in jazz whether it was a small group, 246 00:16:41,793 --> 00:16:44,713 a singer and band, a big band, 247 00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,173 they would all kind of record the same way, 248 00:16:47,298 --> 00:16:50,677 which was we've got to get this in and done 249 00:16:50,802 --> 00:16:52,470 within 3 1/2 minutes. 250 00:16:56,474 --> 00:16:58,810 WAS: If you listen to a Charlie Parker 78, 251 00:16:58,935 --> 00:16:59,853 they're short solos. 252 00:16:59,978 --> 00:17:01,354 It just goes around a couple of times, 253 00:17:01,479 --> 00:17:03,440 and then he's out of time. 254 00:17:03,565 --> 00:17:06,609 So, suddenly, the LP gave jazz musicians 255 00:17:06,735 --> 00:17:09,446 the opportunity to express themselves. 256 00:17:12,657 --> 00:17:15,160 KAHN: In the spring of 1959, 257 00:17:15,285 --> 00:17:18,496 Miles Davis went into the New York Columbia Studio 258 00:17:18,621 --> 00:17:20,540 and recorded "Kind of Blue." 259 00:17:36,973 --> 00:17:40,226 Miles Davis created new kinds of freedoms, 260 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:44,272 the idea of modal scales, no chordal structures. 261 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:48,860 He wanted to kind of allow the individual voices of the soloist 262 00:17:48,985 --> 00:17:53,615 to come through and begin speak in extended paragraphs. 263 00:17:53,740 --> 00:17:56,451 The tracks are all roughly 9 minutes, 264 00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:58,620 10 minutes, 12 minutes long. 265 00:18:05,335 --> 00:18:08,630 It was released in August of '59, 266 00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:11,007 and by the end of that year, 267 00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:16,137 it had already become the bible for many musicians. 268 00:18:23,853 --> 00:18:27,482 WAS: "Kind of Blue," you know, it's still in the jazz top 10. 269 00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:30,026 Can you imagine that? 270 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:33,822 I don't know that it ever left. 271 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:46,543 ANKA: Well, the '50s and the early '60s, 272 00:18:46,668 --> 00:18:48,253 the single record was the thing. 273 00:18:48,378 --> 00:18:50,255 If you didn't have that, 274 00:18:50,380 --> 00:18:52,298 you didn't get the album, which was the follow-through, 275 00:18:52,423 --> 00:18:53,800 and then you didn't have a career. 276 00:18:57,929 --> 00:19:00,306 JAMES: And radio was the way 277 00:19:00,431 --> 00:19:03,309 you put new records in front of the public, 278 00:19:03,434 --> 00:19:05,145 - so I loved AM radio. - DEEJAY: Be happy. 279 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:07,355 Come on, everybody. It's a beautiful night in Chicago. 280 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,358 JAMES: These 50,000-watt clear-channel stations -- 281 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:13,778 I mean, WLS in Chicago would hit 10 million to 20 million people. 282 00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:16,281 Hi, everybody all over America. This is your Cousin Brucie. 283 00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:18,783 It's the WABC party. Go, go. Whoo! 284 00:19:18,908 --> 00:19:21,035 JAMES: They'd hit 38 states at night. 285 00:19:21,161 --> 00:19:23,037 MAN: [ Echoing ] Number one! 286 00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:25,999 ? You never close your eyes ? 287 00:19:26,124 --> 00:19:28,668 JAMES: There's nothing more exciting thing on this earth 288 00:19:28,793 --> 00:19:31,296 than an exploding smash-hit single, 289 00:19:31,421 --> 00:19:32,714 because it just -- 290 00:19:32,839 --> 00:19:35,008 It happens everywhere at once, and it just goes. 291 00:19:35,133 --> 00:19:36,593 It's like an atomic bomb. 292 00:19:36,718 --> 00:19:40,221 DEEJAY: Tommy James and the Shondells, "Mony Mony." 293 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:42,140 ANKA: So, you knew going in the studio 294 00:19:42,265 --> 00:19:44,142 that everything you had to say 295 00:19:44,267 --> 00:19:47,645 had to be no longer than 2 minutes and 30 seconds, 296 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:50,023 or shorter, if you wanted to get on the radio. 297 00:19:54,027 --> 00:19:55,361 ROBERTSON: This is, like, 1965. 298 00:19:55,486 --> 00:19:58,656 We were zooming around Manhattan. 299 00:20:00,491 --> 00:20:02,535 And John Hammond Jr. said, 300 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:05,038 "Listen, a friend of mine is recording, 301 00:20:05,163 --> 00:20:07,624 and I said I would stop in and say hello 302 00:20:07,749 --> 00:20:10,418 and hear a little bit of what he's doing." 303 00:20:10,543 --> 00:20:14,797 So we went to Columbia Recording Studios. 304 00:20:14,923 --> 00:20:18,468 [ Bob Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" playing ] 305 00:20:18,593 --> 00:20:20,803 And Bob Dylan and these musicians 306 00:20:20,929 --> 00:20:22,805 were in there recording, 307 00:20:22,931 --> 00:20:25,016 and they were recording "Like a Rolling Stone." 308 00:20:25,141 --> 00:20:27,727 Once upon a time, you dressed so fine 309 00:20:27,852 --> 00:20:31,564 Threw the bums a dime in your prime 310 00:20:31,689 --> 00:20:34,108 Didn't you 311 00:20:35,652 --> 00:20:37,737 People call, say, "Beware, doll 312 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:40,573 You're bound to fall," you thought they were all 313 00:20:41,407 --> 00:20:44,077 Kidding you 314 00:20:44,702 --> 00:20:46,621 And I didn't know him, but I thought, 315 00:20:46,746 --> 00:20:48,665 "This song is really interesting." 316 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:51,793 It was like a different kind of songwriting. 317 00:20:51,918 --> 00:20:55,380 Dion from Dion and the Belmonts was there. 318 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,131 DION: It was great to watch. 319 00:20:57,257 --> 00:21:00,677 Dylan had recorded some albums with just his guitar, 320 00:21:00,802 --> 00:21:02,553 and now he had a few of the guys 321 00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:05,807 from the Brill Building come up and played with, you know, 322 00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:08,810 drums, a full band behind him. 323 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:13,606 Your next meal 324 00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,900 How does it feel 325 00:21:16,025 --> 00:21:17,527 It was exciting. 326 00:21:17,652 --> 00:21:21,948 He was like somebody let him out of a cage or something. 327 00:21:22,073 --> 00:21:25,910 He knew what he was about and exactly what he wanted to do. 328 00:21:26,035 --> 00:21:28,288 You couldn't sway him, 329 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:30,665 'cause I heard some musicians say, "Listen, you can't do." 330 00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:32,125 He said, "Follow me." 331 00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:36,129 Like a rolling stone 332 00:21:36,254 --> 00:21:39,048 "Like a Rolling Stone," in my opinion, 333 00:21:39,173 --> 00:21:41,592 is the greatest single anyone has ever made. 334 00:21:42,927 --> 00:21:44,470 It's a really ambitious statement 335 00:21:44,595 --> 00:21:46,973 to put in a rock 'n' roll 45 336 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:49,517 just a couple years past, like, "Be My Baby." 337 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,895 At Napoleon in rags 338 00:21:53,021 --> 00:21:55,398 And the language that he used 339 00:21:55,523 --> 00:21:59,110 Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse 340 00:22:00,486 --> 00:22:02,113 When you ain't got nothing 341 00:22:02,238 --> 00:22:05,616 You got nothing to lose 342 00:22:05,742 --> 00:22:07,410 You're invisible now 343 00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:11,205 ? You've got no secrets to conceal ? 344 00:22:11,331 --> 00:22:14,292 SPITZ: Columbia had really become an album company. 345 00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:20,423 Bob makes what is perhaps the longest single ever made. 346 00:22:20,548 --> 00:22:23,134 It's six minutes long. 347 00:22:23,259 --> 00:22:26,846 To be on your own 348 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,435 With no direction home 349 00:22:33,478 --> 00:22:36,064 Like a complete unknown 350 00:22:36,189 --> 00:22:38,941 "Like a Rolling Stone," all of a sudden, 351 00:22:39,067 --> 00:22:40,360 it becomes a hit single. 352 00:22:40,485 --> 00:22:42,570 DEEJAY: Now Bobby Dylan comes front and center at WHK 353 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:45,573 with song number six on the survey. 354 00:22:45,698 --> 00:22:46,991 This is called "Like a Rolling Stone." 355 00:22:47,116 --> 00:22:50,620 You're gonna hear the whole six-minute version here. 356 00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:55,416 WAS: I think the impact of radio was huge, you know, 357 00:22:55,541 --> 00:23:01,047 but maybe we can offer more to go along with the advertising. 358 00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:06,511 ? You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand ? 359 00:23:07,553 --> 00:23:08,763 ? You see somebody naked ? 360 00:23:08,888 --> 00:23:10,723 Bob Dylan, you know what he did? 361 00:23:10,848 --> 00:23:13,935 He brought in thinking single-handedly. 362 00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:15,853 And it was brought home to me by John Lennon, 363 00:23:15,978 --> 00:23:18,314 who adored Bob Dylan, 364 00:23:18,439 --> 00:23:22,276 and Dylan would use phrases that Lennon would pick up on. 365 00:23:22,402 --> 00:23:23,528 So, he picked up on those lyrics. 366 00:23:23,653 --> 00:23:24,946 Well, we can actually tell the truth? 367 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:27,031 You know, we can actually talk about our own lives? 368 00:23:27,156 --> 00:23:28,825 ? Something is happening here ? 369 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:33,079 ? But you don't know what it is ? 370 00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:39,377 ? Do you, Mr. Jones? ? 371 00:23:39,502 --> 00:23:41,587 People really didn't do that very much. 372 00:23:41,712 --> 00:23:44,298 I mean, Sinatra certainly sounded like he was doing it, 373 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:46,926 but now here's Dylan actually throwing in something 374 00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:49,554 that certainly seemed autobiographical. 375 00:23:54,851 --> 00:23:57,395 DONAHUE: This is Tom Donahue back in action. 376 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,355 This is KSAN in San Francisco. 377 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,898 Rachel and I will be here until midnight. 378 00:24:01,023 --> 00:24:03,484 VAN ZANDT: Around '69, FM radio started, 379 00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:07,238 which meant, you know, the deejays were slowed down now. 380 00:24:07,363 --> 00:24:10,533 DEEJAY: And that's the way it was, and that's the way it is, 381 00:24:10,658 --> 00:24:12,869 and it's always changing, and it is always the same. 382 00:24:12,994 --> 00:24:15,621 VAN ZANDT: And they were talking more conversationally, 383 00:24:15,746 --> 00:24:19,542 and it was all sort of being taken much more seriously. 384 00:24:28,342 --> 00:24:30,261 We went out with Hubert Humphrey 385 00:24:30,386 --> 00:24:33,389 in 1968 on the presidential campaign. 386 00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:35,558 He was, of course, running for president. 387 00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:36,559 He was the vice president. 388 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:44,942 Well, when we went out on the campaign... 389 00:24:45,651 --> 00:24:46,944 ...the big acts of the day 390 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:49,572 were The Rascals, The Association, 391 00:24:49,697 --> 00:24:53,576 The Buckinghams, Gary Puckett, us. 392 00:24:53,701 --> 00:24:56,662 You know -- all singles acts. 393 00:24:56,787 --> 00:25:00,249 90 days later, when we get back, no kidding, 394 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:02,502 the hottest acts are Led Zeppelin, 395 00:25:02,627 --> 00:25:03,961 Blood, Sweat & Tears, 396 00:25:04,086 --> 00:25:06,255 Crosby, Stills & Nash -- 397 00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:07,840 all album acts. 398 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:10,259 We knew that if we were gonna stay in this business, 399 00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:11,427 we had to sell albums. 400 00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:15,181 VAN ZANDT: Led Zeppelin, I believe, 401 00:25:15,306 --> 00:25:16,933 was the first one to tell the record company 402 00:25:17,058 --> 00:25:19,519 they were not permitted to put out a hit single anymore, 403 00:25:19,644 --> 00:25:21,729 because they were just so uncool. 404 00:25:21,854 --> 00:25:25,399 All of a sudden, the '50s, 405 00:25:25,525 --> 00:25:28,611 people are on album covers, they're all smiling. 406 00:25:28,736 --> 00:25:30,363 The '60s hit, 407 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:32,907 you didn't smile on album covers anymore. 408 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,201 Kennedy was assassinated. 409 00:25:35,326 --> 00:25:38,621 Rock 'n' roll went down about five octaves. 410 00:25:38,746 --> 00:25:40,164 It got serious. 411 00:25:40,289 --> 00:25:44,669 WAS: All of a sudden, the album took on all this value. 412 00:25:44,794 --> 00:25:47,213 You didn't want to miss a -- You wanted every song. 413 00:25:47,338 --> 00:25:48,214 Every song was important. 414 00:25:48,339 --> 00:25:50,383 You had to make a complete artistic statement 415 00:25:50,508 --> 00:25:52,843 with your whole project. 416 00:25:52,969 --> 00:25:57,056 And then, for black people, that album is by Marvin Gaye. 417 00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:05,106 BOYD: Marvin Gaye, a lot of people don't realize the career 418 00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:08,484 he had with Motown before reaching this point. 419 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:22,748 The early '70s, 420 00:26:22,873 --> 00:26:25,418 he's done the duets with Tammi Terrell, 421 00:26:25,543 --> 00:26:26,460 which are very popular. 422 00:26:36,304 --> 00:26:39,140 Tammi Terrell suffers a very tragic fate. 423 00:26:39,265 --> 00:26:41,934 Marvin's very, of course, distraught. 424 00:26:42,059 --> 00:26:46,188 QUESTLOVE: He left the road after Tammi Terrell's death, 425 00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:48,608 you haven't heard new material in two years, 426 00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:52,653 and now that his brother's home from Vietnam, 427 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:56,949 and he has this vision of being a messenger. 428 00:26:57,074 --> 00:27:01,454 I started to think about the war in Vietnam 429 00:27:01,579 --> 00:27:03,998 and my brother, who was -- 430 00:27:04,123 --> 00:27:07,126 He used to tell me, 431 00:27:07,251 --> 00:27:11,714 write, respond with some pretty horrible stories about the war. 432 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,842 I became quite affected by them. 433 00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:18,054 At the same time, there was a great deal of unrest in America. 434 00:27:18,179 --> 00:27:23,267 Civil rights, black power, Vietnam. 435 00:27:23,392 --> 00:27:26,437 These shootings of the kids on the college campuses. 436 00:27:26,562 --> 00:27:28,939 QUESTLOVE: Berry Gordy headed Motown, 437 00:27:29,065 --> 00:27:31,567 and he's like, "No, we're not a message company. 438 00:27:31,692 --> 00:27:33,361 You're not gonna release this album." 439 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,863 BOYD: Berry Gordy doesn't want this kind of music 440 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,449 because Berry Gordy's been making money 441 00:27:38,574 --> 00:27:42,495 by selling pop songs -- "Stop! In the Name of Love," 442 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:43,663 "I Heard It through the Grapevine." 443 00:27:43,788 --> 00:27:45,373 He wants that Marvin, 444 00:27:45,498 --> 00:27:49,043 and Gordy, it turns out, was wrong. Quite wrong. 445 00:27:50,795 --> 00:27:54,924 And Marvin records this incredible album. 446 00:27:55,049 --> 00:27:57,468 It's a concept album -- "What's Going On." 447 00:28:26,205 --> 00:28:27,415 QUESTLOVE: For a lot of us, 448 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:31,168 like, that's black people's "Times Are A-Changing." 449 00:28:31,293 --> 00:28:32,837 And you go from song to song. 450 00:28:32,962 --> 00:28:34,630 QUESTLOVE: Everything is a suite. 451 00:28:34,755 --> 00:28:37,591 No one ever considers the first six songs 452 00:28:37,717 --> 00:28:40,886 on "What's Going On" as six songs. 453 00:28:41,011 --> 00:28:43,806 Like, the entire side one is just one song to me. 454 00:28:56,569 --> 00:28:59,989 CHERRY: I think for me, it was in 1972, '73. 455 00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:08,581 It's mixed with a very dark, difficult time in my life. 456 00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:20,926 CHERRY: And, to me, when I hold my original copy 457 00:29:21,051 --> 00:29:23,095 of "What's Going On," you know, 458 00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:27,558 it takes me back to living on Ninth Street in New York 459 00:29:27,683 --> 00:29:31,437 and the memory of how much it was raining in that period, 460 00:29:31,562 --> 00:29:34,023 and I don't know whether that association 461 00:29:34,148 --> 00:29:36,609 comes with Marvin Gaye on the record sleeve 462 00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:41,781 in patent black raincoat with raindrops on his coat 463 00:29:41,906 --> 00:29:44,658 or a real memory. 464 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:57,588 It's an incredible album that expresses and holds so much, 465 00:29:57,713 --> 00:30:00,508 which is why I think it was such a meaningful record 466 00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:01,759 and still is. 467 00:30:02,968 --> 00:30:06,305 BOYD: The only problem with that album -- It's too short, 468 00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:07,640 meaning I need more. 469 00:30:07,765 --> 00:30:09,475 I want more. I'm not done. 470 00:30:17,233 --> 00:30:18,192 McDANlELS: You know what's crazy? 471 00:30:18,317 --> 00:30:23,280 Those albums -- Marvin Gaye, John Lennon, Bob Dylan -- 472 00:30:23,405 --> 00:30:27,993 those records, that music, those artists were our lives. 473 00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:29,829 Our lives is on that vinyl. 474 00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:37,753 MILNER: During the '70s, especially in the rock world, 475 00:30:37,878 --> 00:30:39,255 the LP was king. 476 00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:41,215 But it had drawbacks. 477 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:42,800 They can scratch, 478 00:30:42,925 --> 00:30:44,635 they're certainly not portable, 479 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,512 and there was no way to make one easily. 480 00:30:46,637 --> 00:30:47,972 You had to go in a recording studio. 481 00:30:48,097 --> 00:30:50,808 You couldn't just make an LP at home. 482 00:30:50,933 --> 00:30:53,185 ? Rah-rah, rumble seats and running boards ? 483 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:54,228 [ Cassette player clicks ] 484 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:58,774 MAN: Music in pocket size and instant loading. 485 00:30:58,899 --> 00:31:02,444 MILNER: The cassette tape was a good example of a technology 486 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:04,905 that really didn't even pretend to be an advance 487 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,700 over what came before in terms of sound quality. 488 00:31:07,825 --> 00:31:10,077 It was, however, very, very portable. 489 00:31:10,202 --> 00:31:13,998 MAN: You record from your radio or make your own programs. 490 00:31:14,123 --> 00:31:16,709 MILNER: And, for the first time, anybody could make a recording. 491 00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:19,169 It's very easy to make, like, a direct, you know, 492 00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:20,963 from vinyl-to-tape recording. 493 00:31:21,088 --> 00:31:22,339 GODRICH: I just taped all my friends. 494 00:31:22,464 --> 00:31:24,675 Yeah, I just had thousands of cassettes. 495 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,927 You know, I was pirating as a child. 496 00:31:27,052 --> 00:31:28,053 You know, absolutely. 497 00:31:28,178 --> 00:31:30,139 Think about when you were a kid, and you're going to school, 498 00:31:30,264 --> 00:31:32,266 and your pockets are like this, and it's, like, all tapes. 499 00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:35,102 GROHL: We would make cassettes and share them with friends, 500 00:31:35,227 --> 00:31:36,729 and we would pass them around, 501 00:31:36,854 --> 00:31:39,899 and then we'd go see those bands when they came into town, 502 00:31:40,024 --> 00:31:42,359 and we felt like that music was ours. 503 00:31:42,484 --> 00:31:45,237 [ The Cure's "Love Song" playing ] 504 00:31:45,362 --> 00:31:46,947 MILNER: Of course, you could also make mix tapes, 505 00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:49,575 so essentially, you could create your own LPs. 506 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:51,869 HOROVITZ: You had your cassette for a dollar, 507 00:31:51,994 --> 00:31:55,122 and you'd put all your favorite songs on it. 508 00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:01,879 MILNER: You could find connections between songs. 509 00:32:02,004 --> 00:32:04,465 You could find thematic things. 510 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,008 HOROVITZ: If I was making a tape for you, I'd be like, 511 00:32:06,133 --> 00:32:07,468 "You know what? I have a feeling you're gonna like 512 00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:09,470 these particular types of songs." 513 00:32:10,638 --> 00:32:12,848 You'd maybe put some romantic things on there. 514 00:32:12,973 --> 00:32:14,016 You'd try to be cool with it. 515 00:32:14,141 --> 00:32:16,268 This is how I feel, you know, about you. 516 00:32:16,393 --> 00:32:18,354 MILNER: This particular selection of songs 517 00:32:18,479 --> 00:32:20,814 in this particular order -- It was a big deal. 518 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:22,816 QUESTLOVE: It's an extent of your arm. 519 00:32:22,942 --> 00:32:24,818 It's an extent of your personality. 520 00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:27,696 There's a girl that you're really into, 521 00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:30,824 the first thing I'd do is, I'd go make her a mix tape. 522 00:32:33,077 --> 00:32:35,329 MILNER: It was a document for who you were at that moment, 523 00:32:35,454 --> 00:32:37,373 who you -- how you wanted the rest of the world 524 00:32:37,498 --> 00:32:40,417 to see you through the prism of the music that you loved. 525 00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:52,221 CHERRY: I remember getting a mix tape from Corona, Queens. 526 00:32:52,346 --> 00:32:53,347 It was Spoonie Gee. 527 00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:57,309 It was just, like, a cassette from, like, a bodega, 528 00:32:57,434 --> 00:32:59,186 and I think I probably killed it. 529 00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:00,854 You know, I played it to death. 530 00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,775 It was, like, the first real uncommercial hip-hop, 531 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,403 sounding like it was coming off the street. 532 00:33:07,528 --> 00:33:09,279 And I fell in love with it. 533 00:33:15,953 --> 00:33:18,038 GROHL: The first music scene that I fell in love with 534 00:33:18,163 --> 00:33:19,748 was the punk-rock scene. 535 00:33:19,873 --> 00:33:22,376 My cousin Tracy, she brought me upstairs, 536 00:33:22,501 --> 00:33:24,294 and she showed me her record collection, 537 00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:25,629 and she had fan zines. 538 00:33:25,754 --> 00:33:27,631 And you'd go to the back of one of those fan zines, 539 00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:29,633 and there'd be this classified-ad section 540 00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:31,844 with, "Hey, I have a band. Here's my demo tape. 541 00:33:31,969 --> 00:33:33,095 It's only $2.50. 542 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:36,932 Send two stamps, and I'll send you a sticker and my cassette." 543 00:33:37,057 --> 00:33:39,810 And I realized there was this whole underground network. 544 00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:40,936 Like, "Whoa, man. 545 00:33:41,061 --> 00:33:42,229 All of this is happening 546 00:33:42,353 --> 00:33:45,565 without anybody having any idea it's going on." 547 00:33:52,865 --> 00:33:55,576 WYBENGA: A huge part of the Dead experience 548 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:58,245 and the Deadhead experience, in particular, 549 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:01,582 has been all these bootleg cassettes. 550 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,476 The Grateful Dead live -- It was just a dragon. 551 00:34:24,605 --> 00:34:27,941 In the studio, we never could bring out that dragon. 552 00:34:28,067 --> 00:34:29,902 That dragon never really happened in a room 553 00:34:30,027 --> 00:34:31,695 without people, you know, 554 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:34,615 and there was no way we could remember 555 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,408 what we did the night before. 556 00:34:36,533 --> 00:34:37,493 That was not possible, 557 00:34:37,618 --> 00:34:41,080 because we were taking mind-altering drugs every night. 558 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:49,671 GARCIA: Some nights, it would be just awful, 559 00:34:49,797 --> 00:34:51,090 and some nights, it would be wonderful. 560 00:34:51,215 --> 00:34:53,008 If we're experiencing authentic inspiration, 561 00:34:53,133 --> 00:34:54,927 then something magical sort of takes over. 562 00:35:01,809 --> 00:35:03,811 CANTOR-JACKSON: The experience of a Grateful Dead show, 563 00:35:03,936 --> 00:35:05,270 it is hard to describe. 564 00:35:05,395 --> 00:35:07,689 It was like a religious experience. 565 00:35:07,815 --> 00:35:12,236 You go there, a lot of it was the partaking of LSD, 566 00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:13,821 our sacrament at the time. 567 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:26,917 When we all got to that level, the music would just soar. 568 00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:28,919 It would go off, and the crowd would go with us. 569 00:35:29,044 --> 00:35:31,255 I mean, the whole audience was in the same place. 570 00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:34,925 WYBENGA: You have music that is highly improvisational 571 00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:37,094 and not played the same way twice. 572 00:35:37,219 --> 00:35:38,846 You had this impulse to document. 573 00:35:38,971 --> 00:35:41,265 MAN: Follow the chords from those microphones, folks. 574 00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:42,391 MAN #2: Yeah, right. 575 00:35:42,516 --> 00:35:44,226 MAN #1: Let's find out who these people are. 576 00:35:44,351 --> 00:35:46,603 The Deadheads were recording our performances, 577 00:35:46,728 --> 00:35:47,604 and that was illegal. 578 00:35:47,729 --> 00:35:49,064 MAN #1: Put that spotlight out there 579 00:35:49,189 --> 00:35:50,607 on that microphone, the periscope. 580 00:35:50,732 --> 00:35:51,984 You'll see it sticking up there. 581 00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:54,820 HART: And they ran their copies of cassettes, 582 00:35:54,945 --> 00:35:57,573 and then they would give it away. 583 00:35:57,698 --> 00:35:59,616 It was called a Grateful Dead Free Tape Exchange. 584 00:35:59,741 --> 00:36:01,660 MAN: Underground Records, Incorporated. 585 00:36:01,785 --> 00:36:04,872 So, we said, "We don't want to be cops, 586 00:36:04,997 --> 00:36:07,082 and we don't want to hire more security. 587 00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:09,960 - Let 'em come." - [ Instruments tuning ] 588 00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:15,757 WYBENGA: I know it came to a head in the '80s 589 00:36:15,883 --> 00:36:18,552 when their sound man had problems consistently 590 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:21,054 with microphones blocking his sight lines 591 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:22,431 from the back of the house. 592 00:36:22,556 --> 00:36:23,765 MAN: You down there with the microphone, 593 00:36:23,891 --> 00:36:25,434 if you want to get a decent recording, 594 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,853 you got to move back about 40 feet. 595 00:36:27,978 --> 00:36:30,189 Eventually, the Grateful Dead addressed this whole issue 596 00:36:30,314 --> 00:36:32,524 of taping by giving tapers their own section. 597 00:36:33,901 --> 00:36:36,486 HART: It built an army of tapers. 598 00:36:36,612 --> 00:36:38,947 They were responsible for making the Grateful Dead 599 00:36:39,072 --> 00:36:40,282 a world phenomenon, 600 00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:42,951 and that was one of the smartest moves we ever made. 601 00:36:47,247 --> 00:36:50,209 WYBENGA: Having a Dead tape collection was a display 602 00:36:50,334 --> 00:36:53,128 right there of the depth of your commitment to the band, 603 00:36:53,253 --> 00:36:54,922 a form of social currency. 604 00:37:02,638 --> 00:37:06,516 One of the first tapes that I heard was 7/13/84, 605 00:37:06,642 --> 00:37:08,810 Greek Theater -- just a nice little show. 606 00:37:08,936 --> 00:37:13,774 And then 1977 was an improbable height of sorts for them -- 607 00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,359 the tightness of the playing. 608 00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:23,325 5/7/77, for a long time, was my favorite. 609 00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:25,118 And that's a show that had come into circulation 610 00:37:25,244 --> 00:37:27,537 through Betty Cantor-Jackson. 611 00:37:30,624 --> 00:37:33,252 CANTOR-JACKSON: My stuff is not taper stuff. It's different. 612 00:37:33,377 --> 00:37:34,503 My stuff is always direct 613 00:37:34,628 --> 00:37:36,588 from the mikes on the stage from the band. 614 00:37:38,173 --> 00:37:40,717 WYBENGA: Betty Cantor-Jackson had done various sound work 615 00:37:40,842 --> 00:37:41,843 for the Dead throughout the years, 616 00:37:41,969 --> 00:37:44,930 had been a part of that Dead family since very early on. 617 00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:49,268 CANTOR-JACKSON: I did the taping pretty much for my own pleasure 618 00:37:49,393 --> 00:37:50,310 and for Jerry. 619 00:37:50,435 --> 00:37:52,354 He'd come over the next morning, sit in my living room, 620 00:37:52,479 --> 00:37:55,065 and have a cappuccino and listen to the playback. 621 00:38:04,658 --> 00:38:06,618 It's something I really enjoy, 622 00:38:06,743 --> 00:38:09,371 just carving music into the tape, you know. 623 00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:22,676 WYBENGA: These pristine soundboard recordings 624 00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:26,388 became the source of what became known as The Betty Boards -- 625 00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:31,351 bootleg cassettes that started to emerge in the late '80s. 626 00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:35,230 So a lot of shows that Deadheads had loved already, 627 00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:37,399 even in poor sound quality, became available 628 00:38:37,524 --> 00:38:40,819 in crystal-clear sound quality. 629 00:38:40,944 --> 00:38:42,529 CANTOR-JACKSON: I think they'd been out there for quite a while 630 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:43,697 before I ever knew about it. 631 00:38:43,822 --> 00:38:47,909 I heard some of them recently that were amazing. 632 00:38:50,203 --> 00:38:51,538 WYBENGA: You know, it's interesting to think 633 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:54,583 whether this all would have shaken out the same way 634 00:38:54,708 --> 00:38:56,710 if cassettes tapes didn't exist. 635 00:38:56,835 --> 00:38:58,712 You've got to figure that the Grateful Dead 636 00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:03,091 has to be the most recorded musical ensemble in history. 637 00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:06,678 WOMAN: The cassette industry is booming. 638 00:39:06,803 --> 00:39:08,847 For the first time ever, prerecorded cassettes 639 00:39:08,972 --> 00:39:12,351 are beginning to rival sales of the vinyl disc. 640 00:39:13,060 --> 00:39:16,271 GRANATA: The thing that really drove cassette sales 641 00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:19,983 was the advent of a handheld cassette player 642 00:39:20,108 --> 00:39:21,985 that you could listen to with headphones. 643 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:34,915 LUDWIG: They came up with a really good set of headphones 644 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,209 for these little Walkmans, and for the first time, 645 00:39:37,334 --> 00:39:43,173 you could take a device this big with a good set of headphones 646 00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:44,800 and climb the top of Mount Everest, 647 00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:46,176 and you could listen to a Mahler symphony 648 00:39:46,301 --> 00:39:48,220 and get chills down your spine. 649 00:39:50,055 --> 00:39:51,306 MAN: The Sony Walkman 650 00:39:51,431 --> 00:39:54,851 has forever changed the way the world listens to music. 651 00:39:54,976 --> 00:39:57,854 That was exciting new technology, because basically, 652 00:39:57,979 --> 00:40:01,858 it inaugurated the era of private listening. 653 00:40:01,983 --> 00:40:04,694 It was about walking in the street with your headphones on 654 00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:09,074 and the music being contained to your personal space. 655 00:40:10,033 --> 00:40:11,410 DJ SPOOKY: The idea that being able 656 00:40:11,535 --> 00:40:13,537 to have your own soundtrack wherever you went, 657 00:40:13,662 --> 00:40:15,831 that's what really, I think, changed the game. 658 00:40:17,416 --> 00:40:19,835 MILNER: You could actually take them with you on the bus. 659 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,587 You had the sound right there in your head. 660 00:40:32,264 --> 00:40:35,684 By 1983, the labels had records, 661 00:40:35,809 --> 00:40:37,102 and they had cassettes. 662 00:40:37,227 --> 00:40:41,022 They didn't see anything really new on the horizon. 663 00:40:44,943 --> 00:40:48,155 INTERPRETER: It's a disc, a digital audio disc, 664 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,616 a gizmo so revolutionary that backers hope it will make 665 00:40:51,741 --> 00:40:53,952 records and tapes obsolete. 666 00:40:54,828 --> 00:40:57,330 KNOPPER: The CD sounded really, really good, 667 00:40:57,456 --> 00:40:58,957 but the record industry has always been 668 00:40:59,082 --> 00:41:01,793 deeply suspicious of new technology. 669 00:41:01,918 --> 00:41:04,546 Industry executives said, you know, "No F'ing way," basically. 670 00:41:04,671 --> 00:41:06,840 "We will never get the compact disc." 671 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:10,635 And the reason was because they were so worried about piracy. 672 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,637 When you copied a CD to a cassette tape, 673 00:41:12,762 --> 00:41:14,598 that was a pristine copy. 674 00:41:15,974 --> 00:41:17,184 But the CD was cool. 675 00:41:17,309 --> 00:41:20,437 At the time, it sounds so quaint now, but it was shiny, 676 00:41:20,562 --> 00:41:23,023 and if you tilted it a certain way, it looked like a rainbow. 677 00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:24,441 It didn't scratch, 678 00:41:24,566 --> 00:41:27,694 and you could play it, potentially, in your car, 679 00:41:27,819 --> 00:41:30,280 and so the consumers really liked this thing. 680 00:41:36,286 --> 00:41:37,996 And certain artists were saying, 681 00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:40,248 "We're gonna make much greater-sounding records 682 00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:42,167 with this new technology." 683 00:41:42,292 --> 00:41:43,835 LUDWIG: Dire Straits, "Brothers in Arms" -- 684 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,545 It was really the first compact disc 685 00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:49,799 that I mastered completely 100% as a CD. 686 00:41:59,392 --> 00:42:00,644 KNOPFLER: "Brothers in Arms" itself 687 00:42:00,769 --> 00:42:02,479 struck a lot of chords with people. 688 00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:14,366 This fellow was a soldier in the Gulf War, 689 00:42:14,491 --> 00:42:16,701 and he said that they fought this tank battle all night, 690 00:42:16,826 --> 00:42:20,288 and then in the dawn, they just linked up all the tanks 691 00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:21,748 and played "Brothers in Arms." 692 00:42:33,093 --> 00:42:34,928 Sometimes, I'll write a song 693 00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:37,639 that will somehow reverberate with events, 694 00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:40,308 and it can just be a success. 695 00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:43,645 At the time, I was just making another record. 696 00:42:45,772 --> 00:42:47,816 LUDWIG: Not only was it a great record, 697 00:42:47,941 --> 00:42:49,651 it was a real landmark CD, 698 00:42:49,776 --> 00:42:51,903 and lots of people bought compact discs 699 00:42:52,028 --> 00:42:53,488 because of that record. 700 00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:55,782 That record sold a lot of CD players. 701 00:42:56,741 --> 00:42:58,076 QUARTARARO: And towards the end of the '80s, 702 00:42:58,201 --> 00:43:01,204 people started to rebuy their music 703 00:43:01,329 --> 00:43:02,455 they already owned on vinyl. 704 00:43:02,581 --> 00:43:06,209 They started to repurchase the same collection on CD. 705 00:43:06,334 --> 00:43:10,755 $18, $19, $20 for a CD that was really worth no more, 706 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,258 or maybe even less, than the LP. 707 00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:15,760 HADLEY: They ran a bit of a hustle. 708 00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:18,263 They were able to sell CDs 709 00:43:18,388 --> 00:43:21,057 and have maybe one or two good songs on it. 710 00:43:21,182 --> 00:43:23,685 IOVINE: You got a record deal, you got one song, 711 00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:26,980 you put 17 other songs on because they fit, 712 00:43:27,105 --> 00:43:31,234 and the people bought albums for $18 that had one song on it. 713 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:35,447 WAS: When we look at the decline in the popularity of the album 714 00:43:35,572 --> 00:43:38,700 and of sales, I think that was just way worse 715 00:43:38,825 --> 00:43:40,410 than some college students 716 00:43:40,535 --> 00:43:42,621 downloading songs for free, you know. 717 00:43:42,746 --> 00:43:46,207 It was, like, making shitty records. [ Chuckles ] 718 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:50,420 MAN: With the click of a mouse, 719 00:43:50,545 --> 00:43:54,049 Napster allows fans to download virtually any song 720 00:43:54,174 --> 00:43:55,300 completely free. 721 00:43:55,425 --> 00:43:57,344 MILNER: In 1999, some college students 722 00:43:57,469 --> 00:44:00,180 created a file-sharing program called Napster. 723 00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:02,390 HADLEY: All of a sudden, people are like, "Wait a minute. 724 00:44:02,515 --> 00:44:04,768 I don't have to drive to the record store, pay $20 725 00:44:04,893 --> 00:44:07,270 to buy a CD that just has two songs on it that I like? 726 00:44:07,395 --> 00:44:12,359 I can sit at home and download countless albums for nothing?" 727 00:44:12,484 --> 00:44:15,111 And it just was like you just discovered 728 00:44:15,236 --> 00:44:16,655 this gold mine, you know. 729 00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:19,032 Just, all of a sudden, all of the music you want 730 00:44:19,157 --> 00:44:22,994 is right there in front of you, and it's very easy to download. 731 00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,664 STRANG: When they put music up for file sharing, 732 00:44:25,789 --> 00:44:28,041 40-some-odd million people came. 733 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,501 And, you know, there were other companies, 734 00:44:29,626 --> 00:44:31,211 like, giving away money on the Internet, 735 00:44:31,336 --> 00:44:33,838 and you couldn't get 40 million people to come. 736 00:44:33,963 --> 00:44:36,966 So the power of music was the first thing that struck me. 737 00:44:37,092 --> 00:44:38,218 I was like, "Wow." 738 00:44:38,343 --> 00:44:41,805 MILNER: The courts struck down Napster after two years, 739 00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:44,933 but by then, there were all these services 740 00:44:45,058 --> 00:44:46,059 all over the Internet, 741 00:44:46,184 --> 00:44:50,855 and they all used the same new format -- the MP3. 742 00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:11,668 I was taking my daughter to school, 743 00:45:11,793 --> 00:45:14,129 and one of the parents that I didn't know turned to me 744 00:45:14,254 --> 00:45:17,006 and said, "Congratulations on being the mother of the MP3." 745 00:45:22,011 --> 00:45:24,097 So I went home and looked it up, and, sure enough, 746 00:45:24,222 --> 00:45:27,225 it had this story about how this engineer 747 00:45:27,350 --> 00:45:30,061 called Karlheinz Brandenburg had used 748 00:45:30,186 --> 00:45:33,606 the original unremixed version of "Tom's Diner" 749 00:45:33,732 --> 00:45:36,943 to test this thing he was working on, called the MP3. 750 00:45:38,194 --> 00:45:41,156 BRANDENBURG: My research was how to compress music in a way 751 00:45:41,281 --> 00:45:43,283 so that it would fit through a phone line, 752 00:45:43,408 --> 00:45:46,619 and I already thought, "I'm pretty much done. 753 00:45:46,745 --> 00:45:48,079 Everything works well." 754 00:45:50,206 --> 00:45:52,792 Someone was playing "Tom's Diner" down the hall. 755 00:45:55,086 --> 00:45:56,713 BRANDENBURG: Suzanne Vega's voice 756 00:45:56,838 --> 00:45:59,883 sounds like she is standing in a room, 757 00:46:00,008 --> 00:46:02,886 and it's a very clear and clean voice, and I said, 758 00:46:03,011 --> 00:46:07,432 "Okay, I want to try to see what our algorithms do with it." 759 00:46:14,856 --> 00:46:18,485 Unfortunately, Suzanne Vega's voice was destroyed. 760 00:46:20,445 --> 00:46:21,863 It took us a couple of years 761 00:46:21,988 --> 00:46:27,243 until we really could do her voice perfectly clean. 762 00:46:28,161 --> 00:46:30,830 VEGA: I had no idea what would come next, 763 00:46:30,955 --> 00:46:33,458 and I met Karlheinz Brandenburg, 764 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:35,794 and they were talking about this great new thing 765 00:46:35,919 --> 00:46:37,128 that was just gonna be the coolest. 766 00:46:37,253 --> 00:46:40,882 You could play music on your phone, on your cellphone. 767 00:46:41,007 --> 00:46:43,051 I remember thinking that's kind of -- Who cares? 768 00:46:43,176 --> 00:46:44,928 Like, I don't need to play music on my phone. 769 00:46:45,053 --> 00:46:48,223 I just did not see what the MP3 -- 770 00:46:48,348 --> 00:46:49,641 what the future was gonna be. 771 00:46:49,766 --> 00:46:50,725 I didn't see it coming. 772 00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:01,820 HADLEY: Early 2000s are really tumultuous period, 773 00:47:01,945 --> 00:47:03,905 because a format change. 774 00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:06,366 Digital technologies recalibrate almost everything 775 00:47:06,491 --> 00:47:07,909 about how we consume music. 776 00:47:12,664 --> 00:47:14,415 WOMAN: You plug it into your computer 777 00:47:14,541 --> 00:47:16,000 and download your favorite songs. 778 00:47:16,125 --> 00:47:21,089 HADLEY: iTunes comes along and is selling songs for 99 cents. 779 00:47:21,214 --> 00:47:22,924 The music industry is just reeling. 780 00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:27,011 WOMAN: The best-selling digital music player in the nation, 781 00:47:27,136 --> 00:47:29,889 revolutionizing the way Americans of all ages 782 00:47:30,014 --> 00:47:31,140 listen to music. 783 00:47:31,266 --> 00:47:33,101 HADLEY: MP3s unravel what we know 784 00:47:33,226 --> 00:47:35,186 about people wanting albums, 785 00:47:35,311 --> 00:47:36,563 and so, interestingly enough, 786 00:47:36,688 --> 00:47:38,731 we're back to a singles-driven culture. 787 00:47:39,774 --> 00:47:41,234 We take it for granted now, 788 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,279 but then it was a really remarkable concept 789 00:47:44,404 --> 00:47:48,533 that I could walk around with 10,000 songs in my pocket? 790 00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:53,413 But then, with the era of YouTube, 791 00:47:53,538 --> 00:47:55,164 one of the main pieces of content 792 00:47:55,290 --> 00:47:56,916 that people want to upload is music. 793 00:47:57,041 --> 00:47:58,459 They want to upload their favorite song. 794 00:47:58,585 --> 00:47:59,794 They want to upload this video 795 00:47:59,919 --> 00:48:01,588 that they made to their favorite song. 796 00:48:01,713 --> 00:48:03,423 And YouTube still, I believe, 797 00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,259 is the number-one music streaming service in the world. 798 00:48:10,305 --> 00:48:12,265 Justin Bieber's songs have been listened to -- 799 00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:15,393 Some of them have been listened to 400 million times on YouTube. 800 00:48:15,518 --> 00:48:17,770 We listen to music on our earbuds, 801 00:48:17,896 --> 00:48:21,816 over our telephones, through computers. 802 00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:24,736 MAN: When I'm listening to full albums on YouTube, 803 00:48:24,861 --> 00:48:25,945 people just upload them, 804 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:28,281 and sometimes it'll just go to the next video. 805 00:48:28,406 --> 00:48:30,825 Oddly enough, YouTube is kind of like a new radio. 806 00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:32,911 CDs are just disappearing, you know? 807 00:48:33,036 --> 00:48:34,245 CDs are dead. 808 00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:36,080 ROSEN: Today, we have a format 809 00:48:36,205 --> 00:48:38,416 which is almost an invisible format. 810 00:48:38,541 --> 00:48:39,918 There is an amazing amount of, 811 00:48:40,043 --> 00:48:41,544 you know, these streaming services. 812 00:48:41,669 --> 00:48:44,631 My preferred method of listening to music is Spotify. 813 00:48:44,756 --> 00:48:45,632 Soundcloud. 814 00:48:45,757 --> 00:48:46,966 I Heart Radio. 815 00:48:47,091 --> 00:48:48,217 Sometimes Pandora. 816 00:48:48,343 --> 00:48:50,219 Sometimes iTunes. I'll buy songs. 817 00:48:50,345 --> 00:48:52,680 I don't know. I actually like that it's not physical. 818 00:48:52,805 --> 00:48:55,016 I feel like it saves time, energy, money. 819 00:48:55,141 --> 00:49:00,730 Our kids, our grandkids will literally be baffled by the idea 820 00:49:00,855 --> 00:49:02,607 that, at one point, people owned music. 821 00:49:02,732 --> 00:49:04,692 GARBUS: Whether we like it or not, 822 00:49:04,817 --> 00:49:06,903 people want music instantaneously 823 00:49:07,028 --> 00:49:08,154 at their fingertips. 824 00:49:08,279 --> 00:49:12,742 I do. I want to turn on my Rdio or Spotify or whatever. 825 00:49:12,867 --> 00:49:15,328 I want to say I really need to hear 826 00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:18,039 "Dancing in the Sheets" by Shalamar right now. 827 00:49:24,087 --> 00:49:25,463 And I can have that, you know? 828 00:49:25,588 --> 00:49:27,590 That is just the world that we live in. 829 00:49:29,217 --> 00:49:33,221 The problem I have is discovering good new music. 830 00:49:33,346 --> 00:49:37,850 There's just an overwhelming abundance of material. 831 00:49:37,976 --> 00:49:40,144 MANN: Trying to figure out which technology, 832 00:49:40,269 --> 00:49:43,022 it became such a different experience on so many levels 833 00:49:43,147 --> 00:49:44,732 that I just stopped listening to music. 834 00:49:45,984 --> 00:49:48,528 It's only been lately that I've started again 835 00:49:48,653 --> 00:49:50,863 and kind of almost giving myself permission 836 00:49:50,989 --> 00:49:53,449 to jump back into stuff from the '70s 837 00:49:53,574 --> 00:49:56,285 that I never paid any attention to, like Bread. 838 00:50:06,921 --> 00:50:09,465 KNOPPER: The format shift in the record industry, 839 00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:12,218 I mean, on average is usually 15, 20 years. 840 00:50:12,343 --> 00:50:14,178 Everything's up in the air now. 841 00:50:14,303 --> 00:50:17,640 The next 5 to 10 years will be super-interesting. 842 00:50:17,765 --> 00:50:25,523 But the power of music will always be massive. 843 00:50:34,282 --> 00:50:35,199 MARGOULEFF: It's about the song. 844 00:50:35,324 --> 00:50:37,702 It's about the art, not the medium. 845 00:50:37,827 --> 00:50:41,664 BOYD: Music transcends the technology, the format. 846 00:50:41,789 --> 00:50:45,418 Whatever form you give it to me in, if the quality's good, 847 00:50:45,543 --> 00:50:47,462 if I can access what I want to hear, 848 00:50:47,587 --> 00:50:49,255 I'm a happy man. 849 00:50:52,216 --> 00:50:55,595 QUARTARARO: What won't change is your relationship with music, 850 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,513 because sometime this year, 851 00:50:57,638 --> 00:50:59,891 you're gonna hear a song that makes you want to cry. 852 00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:03,227 And we human beings have been trying to work out 853 00:51:03,352 --> 00:51:06,814 what it is about the mathematics of the arrangement 854 00:51:06,939 --> 00:51:11,486 of musical notes that elicits an emotional response in us, 855 00:51:11,611 --> 00:51:14,322 and it's still a mystery. 856 00:51:19,702 --> 00:51:21,996 Our lives are pretty much defined by, what, 857 00:51:22,121 --> 00:51:24,457 I don't know, 20, 30 records? 858 00:51:24,582 --> 00:51:25,958 RZA: How many ever years passes 859 00:51:26,084 --> 00:51:28,503 when you want to go back to your high-school memory -- 860 00:51:28,628 --> 00:51:29,921 A song could do it for you. 861 00:51:30,046 --> 00:51:32,340 There's always that piano, that verse, 862 00:51:32,465 --> 00:51:36,135 that voice, that beat, that cut, that scratch, that guitar riff, 863 00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:37,804 that's gonna save your life. 864 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,393 I'm so grateful to all the musicians 865 00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:47,688 that made the music that I ever heard, 866 00:51:47,814 --> 00:51:53,069 because it all went in, and it enriched my life. 867 00:52:09,085 --> 00:52:12,380 And we've seen now 100 years of recorded sound, 868 00:52:12,505 --> 00:52:16,175 and we've seen the effect of that sound on people, 869 00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,053 and it has been quite remarkable. 870 00:52:19,178 --> 00:52:20,471 It's changed our lives. 66078

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