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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:38,485 --> 00:00:41,965 Mr Nilsen has confessed to killing 15 men, 2 00:00:42,005 --> 00:00:47,365 mostly homeless and vulnerable, over a period of five years. 3 00:00:47,404 --> 00:00:50,524 We're now in the process of confirming that number. 4 00:00:51,565 --> 00:00:55,325 We're also aware that there are up to seven attempted murders. 5 00:00:55,365 --> 00:00:58,605 So we ask anybody who may have visited 6 00:00:58,645 --> 00:01:04,484 195 Melrose Avenue from December 1978 to 1981 7 00:01:04,524 --> 00:01:09,245 or 23 Cranley Gardens from 1981 to February this year 8 00:01:09,285 --> 00:01:11,444 to please call Hornsey Police Station 9 00:01:11,484 --> 00:01:13,325 on the number behind me. 10 00:01:17,405 --> 00:01:19,565 If you know of anybody that's gone missing... 11 00:01:21,044 --> 00:01:25,205 ..sons, brothers, fathers... 12 00:01:25,244 --> 00:01:31,565 ..uncles, nephews, cousins, friends... please contact us. 13 00:01:33,044 --> 00:01:36,005 Because we need your help. OK, questions, please. Yes, Tim. 14 00:01:36,044 --> 00:01:38,804 How many of the victims have you identified so far? 15 00:01:38,845 --> 00:01:40,285 Other than Stephen Sinclair, 16 00:01:40,324 --> 00:01:41,964 we won't be naming any more of the victims 17 00:01:42,005 --> 00:01:44,485 until official charges have been brought against Mr Nilsen. 18 00:01:44,524 --> 00:01:46,244 Charlotte. How likely is it 19 00:01:46,285 --> 00:01:49,044 that you'll identify all 15 of his victims? 20 00:01:51,244 --> 00:01:54,485 Well, we're still in the process of assessing and analysing 21 00:01:54,524 --> 00:01:56,205 the evidence from Melrose Avenue... 22 00:02:04,804 --> 00:02:07,125 PHONE RINGS 23 00:02:08,645 --> 00:02:11,444 Yes, yes, I understand. 24 00:02:11,485 --> 00:02:13,964 We're absolutely certain, he killed only male. 25 00:02:15,845 --> 00:02:18,604 His father recognised the knives on the television. 26 00:02:18,644 --> 00:02:21,405 Gave them to him as a gift for starting chef's school. 27 00:02:21,444 --> 00:02:23,005 But according to him, 28 00:02:23,044 --> 00:02:25,204 his son never turned up on the first day of class 29 00:02:25,245 --> 00:02:27,484 and he hasn't seen him since May, 1980, 30 00:02:27,525 --> 00:02:30,005 which would match Nilsen's dates for his third victim. 31 00:02:30,044 --> 00:02:31,924 Next step? 32 00:02:31,965 --> 00:02:33,764 Well, Nilsen's requested a visit, 33 00:02:33,805 --> 00:02:37,044 so I'll take the photo with me and get him to confirm. 34 00:02:37,085 --> 00:02:39,245 Requested a visit? Yeah. 35 00:02:39,285 --> 00:02:41,725 I'm hoping he's remembered some more names. 36 00:02:41,764 --> 00:02:44,805 How are you coping? Oh, good. 37 00:02:46,085 --> 00:02:48,845 We're trying to get through the 8,000 missing persons reports. 38 00:02:48,884 --> 00:02:51,285 No, I'm good, thanks. We need more manpower, 39 00:02:51,324 --> 00:02:54,764 but you know that. I'm still trying. 40 00:02:54,805 --> 00:02:57,565 What's going on with John the guardsman? 41 00:02:57,604 --> 00:02:59,764 Healey's checking all the guardsmen called John. 42 00:02:59,805 --> 00:03:03,845 He's been on that for a few weeks. There's 256 of them. 43 00:03:03,884 --> 00:03:07,204 Gonna take some time, but he'll find him. 44 00:03:08,324 --> 00:03:13,805 Speaking of which, erm... We think we might have another lead. 45 00:03:13,845 --> 00:03:17,725 Lodge found three dental plates in the dig at Melrose. 46 00:03:17,764 --> 00:03:20,324 One of them is only made in Germany. 47 00:03:20,364 --> 00:03:23,444 So he thinks if he can go over there... To Germany? 48 00:03:23,484 --> 00:03:26,005 ..he can narrow it down and probably come up with another name. 49 00:03:26,044 --> 00:03:28,525 Guv, look, I know it's a long shot, but... 50 00:03:29,525 --> 00:03:31,845 ..if we get another name, it's gotta be worth it, right? 51 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:37,245 There's talk from the Yard. As far as they're concerned, 52 00:03:37,285 --> 00:03:39,444 they already have him on three counts of murder. 53 00:03:39,484 --> 00:03:42,565 We told the press last week we think it's 15. 54 00:03:42,604 --> 00:03:46,565 Why do you think we're still active? I'm just warning you. 55 00:03:46,604 --> 00:03:49,444 We need to start closing the leads we already have, 56 00:03:49,484 --> 00:03:52,525 not opening new ones, especially in different countries. 57 00:03:52,565 --> 00:03:55,805 They're nervous about how much this is costing already. 58 00:03:55,845 --> 00:03:57,285 Oh, so this is about money? 59 00:03:57,324 --> 00:04:02,204 Everything is always about money, Peter. We've just gotta be smart. 60 00:04:04,245 --> 00:04:05,924 Thank you. 61 00:04:11,005 --> 00:04:13,364 It's no wonder that half of Category A's on hunger strike. 62 00:04:13,405 --> 00:04:15,805 I might well join them, just to break the monotony. 63 00:04:15,845 --> 00:04:19,525 No. Oh, and let me tell you... 64 00:04:21,604 --> 00:04:24,565 ..it's perfectly feasible to be on normal rations in here 65 00:04:24,604 --> 00:04:26,765 and still effectively remain on hunger strike. 66 00:04:26,804 --> 00:04:28,965 I don't even know why I'm Category A in the first place. 67 00:04:29,004 --> 00:04:31,164 I'm hardly gonna escape, commit suicide. Des... 68 00:04:31,205 --> 00:04:33,124 Help I'm giving the police should be rewarded, 69 00:04:33,164 --> 00:04:34,684 not punished. Let me see what we can do. 70 00:04:35,885 --> 00:04:37,564 You said that before. 71 00:04:40,445 --> 00:04:46,684 Martyn Duffey. Is he one of them? Yeah, of course. Martyn. 72 00:04:46,725 --> 00:04:48,285 He was number three. 73 00:04:48,325 --> 00:04:50,845 The one I told you about that I met at Euston Station. 74 00:04:52,044 --> 00:04:54,285 Have you any more? Hopefully soon. 75 00:04:55,684 --> 00:04:58,044 You said that you had some more information for me. 76 00:04:58,085 --> 00:05:00,924 Or was that just so you could talk about your living situation? 77 00:05:00,965 --> 00:05:05,285 No, I'd never do that. Any news about Bleep? 78 00:05:05,325 --> 00:05:07,645 Just, I've heard nothing about her since I got in here. 79 00:05:09,164 --> 00:05:12,205 I'll call the dogs' home. See what I can find out. 80 00:05:14,845 --> 00:05:17,044 I actually have another name for you. 81 00:05:17,085 --> 00:05:20,285 Uh... Yeah, one of the young men at Melrose Avenue. 82 00:05:20,325 --> 00:05:22,285 I just woke up, his name was just there. 83 00:05:22,325 --> 00:05:24,564 Kenneth Ockenden. 84 00:05:26,004 --> 00:05:28,244 Ockenden? Hmm. 85 00:05:29,525 --> 00:05:33,405 You're a 100% sure? Kenneth Ockenden? 86 00:05:33,445 --> 00:05:36,725 Yeah. The Canadian lad, was all over the news when he went missing. 87 00:05:36,765 --> 00:05:40,205 Did you hold his name back from us? No, why would you say that? 88 00:05:41,845 --> 00:05:44,124 I want these people identified and laid to rest 89 00:05:44,164 --> 00:05:47,804 just as much as you do, Mr Jay. I'm simply trying to tell the truth. 90 00:05:53,564 --> 00:05:55,965 But he can't have. Why not? 91 00:05:56,004 --> 00:05:58,484 Because Ockenden was investigated for three years. 92 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:01,725 Right, they found nothing. What are you thinking? 93 00:06:01,765 --> 00:06:03,405 Well, we're gonna request the files 94 00:06:03,445 --> 00:06:05,085 and treat it as a murder investigation. 95 00:06:05,124 --> 00:06:08,085 What's the problem? I know some of the guys, Peter. 96 00:06:08,124 --> 00:06:10,725 Ockenden was a difficult case for them. 97 00:06:10,765 --> 00:06:13,604 And the press weren't exactly kind when they couldn't find him. 98 00:06:13,645 --> 00:06:15,205 All right, Steve, request the files. 99 00:06:17,564 --> 00:06:19,285 Can I tell Martyn Duffey's dad? 100 00:06:19,325 --> 00:06:22,445 I made him certain promises when he first came forward. 101 00:06:22,484 --> 00:06:24,044 Yeah, course. 102 00:06:24,085 --> 00:06:27,124 Sorry, boss, you might both want to hear this. 103 00:06:27,164 --> 00:06:29,645 Someone's just called saying he's Nilsen's biographer. 104 00:06:29,684 --> 00:06:32,445 Eh? Yeah. He asked if we could tell him 105 00:06:32,484 --> 00:06:34,645 anything about the investigation or the arrest. 106 00:06:34,684 --> 00:06:37,525 No, look, that's just a rag trying to get a quote. 107 00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:41,124 If they call back, tell 'em to piss off. Gladly. 108 00:06:42,285 --> 00:06:45,804 Steve? Let me know when you get the files. 109 00:06:52,845 --> 00:06:55,405 Kenneth Ockenden. Canadian tourist. 110 00:06:55,445 --> 00:06:59,085 Left his hotel in Kings Cross December 3rd. 111 00:06:59,124 --> 00:07:02,845 He was meant to meet his uncle on the 5th 112 00:07:02,885 --> 00:07:06,405 to collect some money for a plane home for Christmas. 113 00:07:06,445 --> 00:07:07,804 He was never seen again. 114 00:07:07,845 --> 00:07:10,765 What, and Nilsen's only just remembered this? 115 00:07:10,804 --> 00:07:13,164 Nilsen says he met him in a West End pub. 116 00:07:14,525 --> 00:07:18,085 They talked about his camera, they spent the day sightseeing. 117 00:07:18,124 --> 00:07:20,725 That night, he strangled him with a headphone cord 118 00:07:20,765 --> 00:07:24,004 as Ockenden listened to music in Melrose Avenue. 119 00:07:24,044 --> 00:07:26,445 He disposed of his body in the garden, as per, 120 00:07:26,484 --> 00:07:29,885 so we are currently looking for any signs of him in the dig. 121 00:07:29,924 --> 00:07:32,645 Now, look, we all hope that we find something at Melrose, 122 00:07:32,684 --> 00:07:36,325 but until we do, these files are our... 123 00:07:37,405 --> 00:07:38,725 ..they're our best shot. 124 00:07:38,765 --> 00:07:42,965 Now, look. I know you all think you might know about this case 125 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:45,965 because of the media coverage, but we can't half-arse this. 126 00:07:46,004 --> 00:07:51,004 Nilsen is in there. Somewhere. 127 00:07:51,044 --> 00:07:53,004 Have you finished? 128 00:07:53,044 --> 00:07:56,164 I tell you explicitly not to open any more leads 129 00:07:56,205 --> 00:07:59,244 and you open Kenneth bloody Ockenden! 130 00:07:59,285 --> 00:08:02,484 Ockenden's mother had links to the Canadian parliament. 131 00:08:02,525 --> 00:08:04,684 His disappearance became political! 132 00:08:04,725 --> 00:08:06,885 So you can imagine the Yard's reaction 133 00:08:06,924 --> 00:08:11,124 to you making it a murder enquiry with a serial killer as a suspect. 134 00:08:11,164 --> 00:08:13,445 Nilsen says he killed him, Guv. Of course he did! 135 00:08:13,484 --> 00:08:15,244 He'd say anything to stay in the papers. 136 00:08:18,364 --> 00:08:21,765 Ockenden doesn't fit the victim profile, Peter. 137 00:08:21,804 --> 00:08:24,525 He wasn't homeless or an addict. He wasn't even gay. 138 00:08:24,564 --> 00:08:27,725 He had a girlfriend back in Canada. That doesn't mean anything. 139 00:08:27,765 --> 00:08:29,205 Then why did he go home with him? 140 00:08:31,004 --> 00:08:32,645 What evidence have you found? 141 00:08:37,484 --> 00:08:39,804 You want us to tell his family 142 00:08:39,845 --> 00:08:43,165 that a boy the police couldn't find for three years 143 00:08:43,205 --> 00:08:45,445 was actually killed by a former copper, 144 00:08:45,484 --> 00:08:47,484 and you don't have any physical evidence?! 145 00:08:47,524 --> 00:08:49,484 When's he ever lied to us before? 146 00:08:49,524 --> 00:08:52,045 I've been trying to help you. 147 00:08:52,085 --> 00:08:55,604 Get you the money and support you need to close this case. 148 00:08:55,644 --> 00:08:57,205 But you went behind my back 149 00:08:57,244 --> 00:09:00,004 and made us look like a bunch of amateurs! 150 00:09:02,644 --> 00:09:04,205 You better be right about this. 151 00:09:16,250 --> 00:09:19,890 TV REPORTER: 'The gruesome search continues at 195 Melrose Avenue 152 00:09:19,929 --> 00:09:23,169 'for what police now believe are dismembered remains 153 00:09:23,209 --> 00:09:26,090 'that have been buried in the garden for three years or more. 154 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:29,130 'All day, detectives and forensic science experts 155 00:09:29,169 --> 00:09:32,529 'have been taking the bones for examination in a laboratory. 156 00:09:32,569 --> 00:09:35,569 'We found a small piece of the jaw 157 00:09:35,610 --> 00:09:38,610 'and some teeth attached to it, in the rear garden. 158 00:09:38,650 --> 00:09:42,289 'And this morning, they found a significant amount of human bones.' 159 00:09:46,929 --> 00:09:49,929 Of what we've brought in, a big percentage of them 160 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:51,529 turned out to be animal bones. 161 00:09:51,569 --> 00:09:54,370 But of those that are definitely human, 162 00:09:54,409 --> 00:09:59,130 we estimate we have between eight and 20 different victims. 163 00:10:00,490 --> 00:10:02,209 Are any of them from Ockenden? 164 00:10:02,250 --> 00:10:08,090 No. But a lot of them we couldn't analyse due to fire damage. 165 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:12,049 Did we manage to identify anyone from them? I'm afraid not. 166 00:10:14,529 --> 00:10:17,409 There must be some more tests we can do. 167 00:10:17,449 --> 00:10:20,409 Look... I know it's not the news we hoped for. 168 00:10:20,449 --> 00:10:22,209 But it was always gonna be a long shot, 169 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:24,250 considering the amount of time passed 170 00:10:24,289 --> 00:10:27,689 and the astute method of disposal. 171 00:10:30,850 --> 00:10:34,449 I'd say we were fortunate to get Martyn Duffey. 172 00:10:34,490 --> 00:10:37,370 But you said there could be as many as 20? 173 00:10:37,409 --> 00:10:40,209 Well, as I say, it's an estimate, but it's certainly a possibility. 174 00:10:42,890 --> 00:10:45,970 I'll give you gentlemen a minute. Thank you. 175 00:10:52,130 --> 00:10:54,850 We need to re-test the headphones found at Cranley Gardens. 176 00:10:56,449 --> 00:10:58,370 Peter, all Ockenden is doing 177 00:10:58,409 --> 00:11:00,409 is sending us up a bunch of blind alleys. 178 00:11:01,770 --> 00:11:04,650 We may need to move on from him. You heard what he said. 179 00:11:04,689 --> 00:11:05,929 Possibly 20 victims. 180 00:11:07,090 --> 00:11:09,770 Which means Nilsen may have been lying to us from the very start. 181 00:11:11,970 --> 00:11:13,689 I'll call it in. 182 00:11:23,049 --> 00:11:25,490 I made something for you. 183 00:11:27,329 --> 00:11:29,650 It's all jumbled and in no special order, 184 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:31,809 but I figured, you're the artist. 185 00:11:34,370 --> 00:11:37,529 Only you know what's important and how to select it, so... 186 00:11:41,850 --> 00:11:45,809 What made you draw these? Nostalgia, I suppose. 187 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:55,409 I thought you told the police that you didn't remember your victims? 188 00:11:55,449 --> 00:11:56,689 No, their names, no. 189 00:11:56,730 --> 00:12:00,289 But that doesn't mean I don't remember our time together. 190 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:06,970 I took him up on maybe four occasions 191 00:12:07,010 --> 00:12:08,449 in the following two weeks. 192 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:14,250 What did you do when you "brought him up"? 193 00:12:14,289 --> 00:12:16,689 Well, his naked body fascinated me. 194 00:12:16,730 --> 00:12:20,169 I'd roll him onto his stomach, roll him onto his back. 195 00:12:20,209 --> 00:12:22,329 Touching him. Stroking him. 196 00:12:22,370 --> 00:12:25,329 I was thrilled that I had full control... 197 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:28,209 ownership over this beautiful body. 198 00:12:28,250 --> 00:12:33,529 So control was the, um... motivation? 199 00:12:33,569 --> 00:12:36,929 Well, nothing's ever about one thing, Brian. 200 00:12:38,169 --> 00:12:42,650 Sometimes I'd put them in the other armchair next to mine 201 00:12:42,689 --> 00:12:44,850 while I'd watch an evening's television. 202 00:12:44,890 --> 00:12:47,049 I'd look over and imagine what we'd be talking about, 203 00:12:47,090 --> 00:12:50,090 if he could speak. Then at other times, 204 00:12:50,130 --> 00:12:52,490 you know, I couldn't actually believe this was happening, 205 00:12:52,529 --> 00:12:53,890 that this was my life. But, uh... 206 00:12:55,529 --> 00:12:57,049 ..death gives no refunds. 207 00:12:58,970 --> 00:13:01,209 We spend so much time talking about me, 208 00:13:01,250 --> 00:13:03,730 but I feel I hardly know anything about you. 209 00:13:03,770 --> 00:13:05,730 I don't even know if you're married. 210 00:13:05,770 --> 00:13:11,250 No, no. But I do have my emotional attachments. 211 00:13:11,289 --> 00:13:14,809 OK. Maybe a more simpler question. 212 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:20,890 Do you remember when you first became aware of death? 213 00:13:20,929 --> 00:13:23,209 I grew up in a fishing village, Brian, so... 214 00:13:24,730 --> 00:13:27,409 Death surrounds you when the sea's involved. 215 00:13:27,449 --> 00:13:28,850 That and the poverty. 216 00:13:30,890 --> 00:13:34,289 I saw my grandfather's corpse when I was six year old. 217 00:13:34,329 --> 00:13:38,209 How did he die? At sea. He was a fisherman. 218 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:41,169 And they brought his coffin back to the house, 219 00:13:41,209 --> 00:13:45,890 it was normal back then. And my mother, erm... 220 00:13:47,010 --> 00:13:49,250 ..woke me up and said, "Do you want to see your grandad?" 221 00:13:49,289 --> 00:13:52,090 I went into the living room and he was there, in a box. 222 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:54,610 How did they explain that? Well, they didn't. 223 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:58,770 You didn't know that he was dead? No, they just said he was sleeping. 224 00:13:58,809 --> 00:14:02,490 After he left, the mystery of death, it always fascinated me. 225 00:14:02,529 --> 00:14:08,490 Sometimes I'd put talc on my face, paint my lips blue and poke my eyes 226 00:14:08,529 --> 00:14:11,569 till they were bloodshot and just look in the mirror. 227 00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:15,529 To make yourself seem dead? Aye. 228 00:14:15,569 --> 00:14:18,169 And was this by yourself or... 229 00:14:21,209 --> 00:14:23,049 ..with somebody else there? 230 00:14:24,090 --> 00:14:25,409 Both. 231 00:14:26,970 --> 00:14:29,090 What would you do then? 232 00:14:29,130 --> 00:14:31,610 I would just sit and stare. 233 00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:37,409 Imagining the abyss as I touched him. 234 00:14:37,449 --> 00:14:41,650 And myself in my own dead image. So this is about sex. 235 00:14:41,689 --> 00:14:43,850 No! You keep looking for these simple answers, 236 00:14:43,890 --> 00:14:46,409 but you debase it to make it purely about that. 237 00:14:46,449 --> 00:14:47,970 I'm not trying to simplify anything, 238 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:49,850 but you did have sex with these young men 239 00:14:49,890 --> 00:14:52,289 after they had died. No, I did not. 240 00:14:52,329 --> 00:14:57,569 Did I enjoy them? Yes. Did I... gain some satisfaction 241 00:14:57,610 --> 00:15:02,169 from looking at their naked bodies next to mine in the mirror? 242 00:15:02,209 --> 00:15:03,730 But I didn't penetrate them. 243 00:15:03,770 --> 00:15:05,730 Look, look, the wicked thing that I did 244 00:15:05,770 --> 00:15:07,929 was to squeeze the life out of a human being. 245 00:15:07,970 --> 00:15:10,130 That was wrong, that was unforgivable, 246 00:15:10,169 --> 00:15:11,689 I will be properly punished for it. 247 00:15:11,730 --> 00:15:13,890 But what I did to a corpse is neither here nor there. 248 00:15:13,929 --> 00:15:17,289 Brian, if you are more disgusted by what I did to a corpse 249 00:15:17,329 --> 00:15:19,130 than what I did to a living man, 250 00:15:19,169 --> 00:15:21,329 then your moral system is upside-down 251 00:15:21,370 --> 00:15:23,049 and needs overhauling. 252 00:15:25,689 --> 00:15:27,529 You're right. 253 00:15:31,329 --> 00:15:34,169 I didn't intend to judge you. 254 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:41,650 Let's go back to your childhood. Did you have many... 255 00:15:41,689 --> 00:15:44,970 Any friends at school? I'm glad we're doing this, Brian. 256 00:15:47,370 --> 00:15:50,929 Me too. It's nice to be listened to. 257 00:15:53,209 --> 00:15:54,850 Makes me feel human again. 258 00:15:56,049 --> 00:15:58,209 All these, treating me like a criminal. 259 00:15:58,250 --> 00:16:00,650 Do you not consider yourself to be a criminal? 260 00:16:00,689 --> 00:16:02,569 How I consider myself is obsolete. 261 00:16:02,610 --> 00:16:06,130 I deserve the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 262 00:16:06,169 --> 00:16:08,689 Not have to wear the clothes of a convicted felon 263 00:16:08,730 --> 00:16:10,850 whilst I wait for my day in court. 264 00:16:12,770 --> 00:16:14,569 Surely you can see that? 265 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:27,929 We're sorry about the result of the dig. 266 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:32,929 We all share your disappointment. Thank you. It was a blow, 267 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:35,569 but we have other points of enquiry we're now investigating. 268 00:16:35,610 --> 00:16:37,730 There's been a development. 269 00:16:39,049 --> 00:16:42,209 Turns out that Nilsen's been getting regular visits from a biographer. 270 00:16:42,250 --> 00:16:45,010 Apparently his letter got through the prison censors 271 00:16:45,049 --> 00:16:47,209 and they'd been meeting for a number of weeks. 272 00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:49,890 Our fear here is that it's only a matter of time 273 00:16:49,929 --> 00:16:52,049 before the victims' identities, 274 00:16:52,090 --> 00:16:54,250 and especially one as well known as Ockenden, 275 00:16:54,289 --> 00:16:55,409 become public knowledge. 276 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:59,049 Therefore, we feel we need to inform his family. 277 00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:01,970 We're still looking for confirmation on Ockenden, sir. 278 00:17:02,010 --> 00:17:04,169 The only reason we've been patient up until now 279 00:17:04,209 --> 00:17:05,730 was the hope that the dig 280 00:17:05,770 --> 00:17:08,169 would give us something to tie Ockenden to Melrose. 281 00:17:08,209 --> 00:17:09,610 But it's been a month. 282 00:17:09,650 --> 00:17:12,090 I'm aware of that. But if we had more men 283 00:17:12,130 --> 00:17:14,530 and the word processor I've requested again and again... 284 00:17:14,570 --> 00:17:17,169 Peter. There is nothing I would like more 285 00:17:17,209 --> 00:17:20,969 than to find Ken and to bring anyone who harmed him to justice. 286 00:17:21,009 --> 00:17:23,769 But if we don't have any evidence by now... We'll find the evidence. 287 00:17:26,130 --> 00:17:27,969 I admire your confidence. 288 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:32,009 But this investigation is beginning to harm 289 00:17:32,050 --> 00:17:35,009 the reputation of the Metropolitan Police. 290 00:17:35,050 --> 00:17:37,810 We've only just repaired the damage done by the riots. 291 00:17:37,850 --> 00:17:39,409 How are we damaging its reputation? 292 00:17:39,449 --> 00:17:42,850 Because people are starting to ask why this is all taking so long. 293 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:45,729 Do you know how an investigation works? Peter. 294 00:17:45,769 --> 00:17:47,890 Wait for me outside. 295 00:18:02,530 --> 00:18:04,449 What the hell was that? Top brass care more 296 00:18:04,489 --> 00:18:06,449 about their reputation than finding these men. 297 00:18:06,489 --> 00:18:07,769 Oh, grow up. 298 00:18:07,810 --> 00:18:09,810 You're not the only one who cares about this case. 299 00:18:11,009 --> 00:18:14,890 Let me give you some advice, Peter. Toe the fucking line! 300 00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:22,050 Yeah, that's fine. No, I don't mind holding while you find out. 301 00:18:22,090 --> 00:18:25,249 What's going on? Healey thinks he's got John. 302 00:18:25,290 --> 00:18:27,969 Don't bloody jinx it, Steve. 303 00:18:28,009 --> 00:18:30,169 All the guardsmen were accounted for, 304 00:18:30,209 --> 00:18:32,850 so we were screwed, basically. Back to square one. 305 00:18:32,890 --> 00:18:36,610 I went to see the West End branch, asked them if they knew any Johns 306 00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:38,489 from High Wycombe that frequented Soho. 307 00:18:38,530 --> 00:18:41,370 After giving me a load of grief about the Ockenden case, 308 00:18:41,409 --> 00:18:43,530 they threw me a name. 309 00:18:44,769 --> 00:18:45,969 John Howlett. 310 00:18:47,169 --> 00:18:50,330 A ne'er-do-well, in and out of different homes as a kid, 311 00:18:50,370 --> 00:18:52,650 well-known on the streets of Soho. 312 00:18:52,689 --> 00:18:54,330 Sound familiar? Yeah. 313 00:18:54,370 --> 00:18:55,449 Now we're just checking 314 00:18:55,489 --> 00:18:59,489 the blood type from the remains in Cranley. OK. 315 00:18:59,530 --> 00:19:01,810 I think we deserve a bit of luck, don't you? 316 00:19:01,850 --> 00:19:03,290 Yes. 317 00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:06,330 Yep. 318 00:19:08,409 --> 00:19:10,689 OK. Thanks. 319 00:19:12,929 --> 00:19:14,290 We got a match. 320 00:19:16,449 --> 00:19:18,810 Great work, Chris! 321 00:19:18,850 --> 00:19:21,090 Why do you think Nilsen said he was a guardsman? 322 00:19:21,130 --> 00:19:23,090 I've got no idea. 323 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:26,449 First round's on me! You coming? 324 00:19:26,489 --> 00:19:28,610 I'll be there in a bit. 325 00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:30,530 I've just gotta finish up here first. 326 00:19:54,810 --> 00:19:57,050 Thought you were all down the pub. 327 00:19:58,489 --> 00:20:03,449 You, uh... looking for anything in particular? Kenneth Ockenden. 328 00:20:03,489 --> 00:20:05,650 Not gonna find him there in the Cranley Gardens log. 329 00:20:06,929 --> 00:20:09,370 Did we fingerprint the camera? We did. 330 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:12,689 What about the books we found? Yep, all the covers. 331 00:20:12,729 --> 00:20:14,130 But not the pages? 332 00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:15,890 How do you touch pages and not the covers? 333 00:20:15,929 --> 00:20:18,209 There's just a few books that might give us something. 334 00:20:18,249 --> 00:20:20,610 The photography book, the London guide, things like that. 335 00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:21,810 The A to Z. 336 00:20:23,850 --> 00:20:25,810 Guv, is this a good use of time? 337 00:20:30,929 --> 00:20:32,650 I'll see what I can do. 338 00:21:01,929 --> 00:21:06,169 Can he harm us? I don't see how. 339 00:21:06,209 --> 00:21:10,090 What do you think they talk about? I don't even wanna know. 340 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:12,610 Guv. Woman at the front desk, 341 00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:15,050 thinks her ex-partner might be a possible victim. 342 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:16,769 Cheers, Chris. 343 00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:20,689 Yeah, he's on his way down. Great. 344 00:21:20,729 --> 00:21:22,890 He went missing about a year ago. 345 00:21:25,489 --> 00:21:28,570 Last time I saw him, he came round to the house. 346 00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:30,290 We'd been separated a few months, 347 00:21:30,330 --> 00:21:32,249 said he wanted to spend more time with Shane. 348 00:21:32,290 --> 00:21:34,449 But I knew he was just there for the money, 349 00:21:34,489 --> 00:21:36,290 so he could go down to Soho and score. 350 00:21:37,850 --> 00:21:41,050 We had an argument that day and he left. 351 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:43,209 And I haven't seen him since. 352 00:21:43,249 --> 00:21:47,009 A week after that, he had a court date, which he missed. 353 00:21:48,650 --> 00:21:50,810 And he always attended court, no matter what. 354 00:21:50,850 --> 00:21:52,209 So I went down to the job centre, 355 00:21:52,249 --> 00:21:53,810 they told me he hadn't signed on. 356 00:21:53,850 --> 00:21:55,050 So then I rang his solicitor, 357 00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:58,130 and they told me to wait a while and that he'd show up. 358 00:21:58,169 --> 00:22:00,130 But I knew. 359 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:03,530 And then I saw you on the news, 360 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:05,769 and even though I know Graham wasn't bent, 361 00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:08,689 just something kept turning in my gut. 362 00:22:08,729 --> 00:22:13,810 Not all of his victims were gay. Some just needed a bed or some food. 363 00:22:17,209 --> 00:22:20,929 Do you have a photo? Yeah. 364 00:22:23,850 --> 00:22:25,689 This. 365 00:22:29,969 --> 00:22:32,090 So, he had a criminal record? 366 00:22:32,130 --> 00:22:36,330 Of course. He almost wore it as a badge of honour, 367 00:22:36,370 --> 00:22:37,810 you know, him against the system. 368 00:22:39,729 --> 00:22:41,850 I just need to know what happened. 369 00:22:44,009 --> 00:22:47,689 I know he's been a bit of a shit, but... 370 00:22:47,729 --> 00:22:49,290 he's Shane's dad. 371 00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:55,169 DCI Peter Jay to see Dennis Nilsen. 372 00:23:12,449 --> 00:23:15,169 I need you to identify some photos. How's Bleep? 373 00:23:16,290 --> 00:23:19,050 Well, you made it pretty busy for me the last time I was here, Des. 374 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:22,850 Haven't had a chance to find out about your dog. 375 00:23:27,050 --> 00:23:31,249 Graham Allen and John Howlett, AKA John the Guardsman. 376 00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:33,009 Although he wasn't a guardsman, was he? 377 00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:35,370 He was just another young man, 378 00:23:35,409 --> 00:23:37,130 finding his way on the streets of Soho. 379 00:23:38,249 --> 00:23:40,409 I am sick of helping people 380 00:23:40,449 --> 00:23:42,610 who take advantage of my good nature. 381 00:23:44,209 --> 00:23:47,729 I am deserving of some more balance. What, like with your biographer? 382 00:23:52,489 --> 00:23:54,850 Did you kill these men? 383 00:23:57,290 --> 00:24:00,090 How many people did you kill in Melrose Avenue? 384 00:24:01,409 --> 00:24:03,929 Did you kill Kenneth Ockenden? 385 00:24:03,969 --> 00:24:06,409 If I hadn't wanted you to, you wouldn't have found me. 386 00:24:06,449 --> 00:24:08,370 So why would I lie to you now? Look at the photos. 387 00:24:08,409 --> 00:24:10,209 I've been convicted of no crimes as of yet, 388 00:24:10,249 --> 00:24:12,209 therefore I am innocent until proven guilty. 389 00:24:12,249 --> 00:24:13,409 Where is this coming from? 390 00:24:13,449 --> 00:24:15,650 In Category A, like some kind of dangerous criminal... 391 00:24:15,689 --> 00:24:17,890 Look at the photos and tell me if you killed these men... 392 00:24:17,929 --> 00:24:19,929 What am I gonna do? Escape? Intimidate a witness? 393 00:24:19,969 --> 00:24:21,810 Des! I'm your only witness! 394 00:24:27,650 --> 00:24:30,570 This man has a seven-year-old son. 395 00:24:33,050 --> 00:24:36,249 Do the right thing, and look at the fucking photos. 396 00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:46,650 Did you kill this man? 397 00:24:52,209 --> 00:24:54,130 No comment. 398 00:25:14,899 --> 00:25:18,260 Detective Chief Inspector Peter Jay. Brian Masters. 399 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,300 Drink? No, thank you. 400 00:25:29,780 --> 00:25:33,579 You found it all right, then? Oh, yes, no trouble at all. Good. 401 00:25:39,619 --> 00:25:44,379 So, how long have you been writing? 402 00:25:44,419 --> 00:25:49,700 About 15 years. You? I mean, how long have you been a policeman? 403 00:25:49,740 --> 00:25:51,139 Nearly 23 years. 404 00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:56,180 How many books have you written about people like Nilsen? 405 00:25:56,220 --> 00:26:01,940 Well, this is my first. Then let me give you some advice. 406 00:26:03,819 --> 00:26:05,940 Walk away. 407 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:11,379 Well, with all due respect, Mr Jay, I didn't approach this naively. 408 00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:14,020 Well, why approach it at all? 409 00:26:14,059 --> 00:26:17,859 I mean, you think you can understand these things he did? 410 00:26:17,899 --> 00:26:22,099 I'm not sure that understanding is useful here. 411 00:26:22,139 --> 00:26:24,700 The term is emotional and more often than not, 412 00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:26,139 it leads us to answers 413 00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:28,899 that are indicative of our own prejudices. 414 00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:32,700 It's not about understanding, it's about comprehending. 415 00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:34,379 Isn't that the same thing? 416 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:40,500 Humans kill. It's in our nature. 417 00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:43,619 Out of fits of rage or jealousy, or self-defence. 418 00:26:43,659 --> 00:26:49,500 But to kill so many men without any real reason... 419 00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:55,099 I think it's important that we try to comprehend why this happened, 420 00:26:55,139 --> 00:26:58,099 and how this person came to pass. 421 00:26:59,740 --> 00:27:01,139 I need you to tell us 422 00:27:01,180 --> 00:27:04,099 everything that Nilsen's told you about the identities of his victims. 423 00:27:04,139 --> 00:27:08,540 Well, I don't have any more information than you already have. 424 00:27:08,579 --> 00:27:11,619 Well, you've been talking for months. 425 00:27:11,659 --> 00:27:13,780 We talk about other things. 426 00:27:13,819 --> 00:27:17,260 Such as? His childhood. His time in the army. 427 00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:19,980 Was he killing in the army? No. 428 00:27:21,099 --> 00:27:24,819 How often have you been visiting him? Once or twice a week. 429 00:27:24,859 --> 00:27:26,859 When's the last time you saw him? Four days ago. 430 00:27:26,899 --> 00:27:31,099 And, he wrote to you? No, I wrote to him. 431 00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:36,180 I'm not really sure why we're here. 432 00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:42,260 Nilsen is no longer helping us with our investigation. 433 00:27:44,099 --> 00:27:46,940 Since when? What, he didn't tell you? 434 00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:51,500 Has he even mentioned Kenneth Ockenden? 435 00:27:51,540 --> 00:27:53,780 Did he kill Kenneth Ockenden? I didn't say that. 436 00:27:57,819 --> 00:28:00,980 If he mentions any names, you have a duty to report them to us. 437 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:04,379 Oh, it's not as simple as that. 438 00:28:04,419 --> 00:28:07,099 Perverting the course of justice is very simple. 439 00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:11,460 If you are suggesting 440 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:14,579 that I had anything to do with his retracting his cooperation, 441 00:28:14,619 --> 00:28:17,059 then you are gravely mistaken, Mr Jay. 442 00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:22,819 And if you wish to take this conversation any further, 443 00:28:22,859 --> 00:28:25,740 then maybe I should telephone my solicitor. 444 00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:31,859 If you wanted to write a book about Nilsen, 445 00:28:31,899 --> 00:28:36,819 you should have come to us first. We'd have given you the real story. 446 00:28:36,859 --> 00:28:40,139 But you're all so fucking fascinated by him, aren't you? 447 00:28:47,659 --> 00:28:49,859 Afternoon. Good afternoon. 448 00:29:05,260 --> 00:29:07,819 Ever since I've come to this hell on earth, 449 00:29:07,859 --> 00:29:11,220 I have been disrespected, abused, humiliated. 450 00:29:11,260 --> 00:29:14,099 I have done nothing but help an investigation, 451 00:29:14,139 --> 00:29:16,059 for which I have not yet been convicted. 452 00:29:16,099 --> 00:29:18,460 Nobody cares about my years of public service, 453 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,460 my work with the unions, that goes unnoticed. 454 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:22,659 Why didn't you mention Kenneth Ockenden? 455 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:26,579 You've spoken to Mr Jay, I see. Yes. He contacted me. 456 00:29:29,139 --> 00:29:31,020 Yeah. 457 00:29:33,579 --> 00:29:36,619 I didn't mention Ken cos he's the one I regret. 458 00:29:36,659 --> 00:29:39,139 The day we spent together was so happy. 459 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:40,619 The happiest I'd been all year. 460 00:29:40,659 --> 00:29:43,819 Unlike the others, his death was a kind of cruel 461 00:29:43,859 --> 00:29:46,899 and horrid parody of what could've been. 462 00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:51,460 Well, do you not feel any guilt or remorse? 463 00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:56,740 Why? They live with me in my cell, Brian. 464 00:29:58,339 --> 00:29:59,619 All of them. 465 00:29:59,659 --> 00:30:02,700 How can I feel remorse when I have taken those pains into myself? 466 00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:04,139 That's obscene. 467 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:07,020 Look, I'd give anything for any one of them 468 00:30:07,059 --> 00:30:09,579 to walk in here right now and shoot me dead. 469 00:30:09,619 --> 00:30:13,980 But the sad fact is they had to die to get attention for their plights. 470 00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:17,180 Because the public pious aftercare comes too late. 471 00:30:17,220 --> 00:30:19,780 And when this is all over, the Des Nilsens, 472 00:30:19,819 --> 00:30:23,180 and the Stephen Sinclairs and the Martyn Duffeys of this world 473 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:26,540 will still stagger along, unnoticed and alone, 474 00:30:26,579 --> 00:30:31,020 because society is more interested in death than it is in life. 475 00:30:31,059 --> 00:30:36,059 These people that you mention... they weren't Kenneth Ockenden. 476 00:30:36,099 --> 00:30:41,619 You say so yourself. So what was it that made you kill Kenneth Ockenden? 477 00:30:41,659 --> 00:30:43,059 He was... 478 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:46,740 They were all my type. 479 00:30:47,819 --> 00:30:49,220 Simple as that? 480 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,260 I once strangled and drowned a young man. 481 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:56,500 And then, when he was lying on the bed, 482 00:30:56,540 --> 00:31:00,780 I noticed Bleep licking his face. He was still alive. 483 00:31:02,419 --> 00:31:03,980 So I resuscitated him. 484 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:06,180 And he was very confused when he came to, 485 00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:08,339 he didn't know what had happened. 486 00:31:08,379 --> 00:31:10,540 And he was there for days, me taking care of him. 487 00:31:10,579 --> 00:31:13,180 And then, when he was well enough to leave, 488 00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:16,540 I took him up to Highgate Station and we arranged to meet again, 489 00:31:16,579 --> 00:31:17,819 the week after. 490 00:31:17,859 --> 00:31:21,500 Well, the week after came and went, and he never came back. 491 00:31:22,659 --> 00:31:25,059 Perhaps he should've stayed in my flat. 492 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:31,540 The thought of them leaving triggered the impulse? 493 00:31:31,579 --> 00:31:33,139 Everybody leaves. 494 00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:36,339 Friends, colleagues, boyfriends, they all disappear eventually. 495 00:31:36,379 --> 00:31:40,220 My grandfather, my great hero and protector, 496 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:42,419 was the only person that I ever loved. 497 00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:46,899 Seeing my grandfather in that box... 498 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,659 ..all my troubles started there. 499 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,059 See, it blighted my personality permanently. 500 00:31:54,099 --> 00:31:55,980 That's why I did all these things. 501 00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:58,139 That and the booze and the music. 502 00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:04,260 It whipped me up into a sort of frenzied fantasy, 503 00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:06,300 that brought the devil and the darkness. 504 00:32:06,339 --> 00:32:09,139 But without that, I'm harmless. No, Des, no. 505 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:11,540 It is not your place 506 00:32:11,579 --> 00:32:15,899 to make objective reasons why you did these things. 507 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:18,460 Especially with this spurious logic. 508 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,300 Whose place is it then? Is it yours? 509 00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:27,139 No, this book cannot be a subjective look at your life and your actions. 510 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:30,780 We both of us, we must remain objective. 511 00:32:30,819 --> 00:32:32,819 And if there are any lessons to be learned, 512 00:32:32,859 --> 00:32:36,460 it is up to the reader to decide, not us. 513 00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:40,700 All these ruminations and hypotheses might be helpful to you, 514 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:44,740 but... it can't be the end of the road. 515 00:32:44,780 --> 00:32:46,780 That's not what I'm here for. 516 00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:54,419 Brian, would you do me a kindness? I need to find out about my dog. 517 00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:55,899 Could you do that for me? 518 00:33:00,819 --> 00:33:03,540 Yes, I'll see what I can do. 519 00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:19,659 Peter. Gotta come and see this. 520 00:33:27,099 --> 00:33:28,780 Brian? Guv. 521 00:33:28,819 --> 00:33:32,540 We've got a partial print off the A-Z which ain't Nilsen's. 522 00:33:32,579 --> 00:33:34,339 Looks like Ockenden's. 523 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,220 You sure? 524 00:33:51,819 --> 00:33:54,099 Hell of a hunch, Guv. 525 00:34:23,939 --> 00:34:28,459 Ah. Thank you. Peter, this is Commander Lockwood. 526 00:34:28,499 --> 00:34:32,019 You know Russell. Good to meet you, sir. 527 00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:34,260 Peter, I'd like to congratulate you. 528 00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,899 Although we were all understandably sceptical at first, 529 00:34:37,939 --> 00:34:41,140 Ockenden is a huge weight off this force. 530 00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:43,819 Thank you, sir. It wasn't the easiest one for us, 531 00:34:43,859 --> 00:34:46,019 but it shows we're getting through it. 532 00:34:46,060 --> 00:34:48,379 Well, obviously these things can't last forever. 533 00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:51,979 And upstairs feel that confirming Ockenden 534 00:34:52,019 --> 00:34:55,220 is a natural place to wrap things up. 535 00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:57,499 Therefore, a decision has been made. 536 00:34:57,539 --> 00:35:00,220 We're going to charge him with six murders 537 00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:01,979 and bring the investigation to a close. 538 00:35:02,019 --> 00:35:06,580 Sir... if I may, I think this is a mistake. 539 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:10,419 We have leads which I'm sure will bring us more names. 540 00:35:10,459 --> 00:35:12,660 A woman called Lesley Mead has come forward. 541 00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:15,859 We suspect her ex-partner might be a victim... Detective. 542 00:35:15,899 --> 00:35:20,100 We have spent a fortune on your team's overtime alone. 543 00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:23,499 Six murders. He never gets out. Charging him with six is a joke... 544 00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:24,700 Peter. But Guv... 545 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:28,100 The decision has been made. Please, sir, if I may. 546 00:35:28,140 --> 00:35:30,379 There are at least nine families 547 00:35:30,419 --> 00:35:32,140 who will never get closure if we stop now. 548 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:34,979 We just need more time and we'll find all 15, I'm sure of it. 549 00:35:35,019 --> 00:35:38,260 But we're not even sure he killed 15, are we? 550 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:41,459 And now that he's stopped talking to us, perhaps we'll never know. 551 00:35:42,819 --> 00:35:46,539 No. It's time for you and your team to move on, Peter. 552 00:35:48,419 --> 00:35:51,580 I'm sure your families will be very happy to see you. 553 00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:15,180 Can I, erm... can I have everybody's attention? 554 00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,060 Scotland Yard have just given the order to shut us down 555 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:21,819 and to charge him with the six we've got. 556 00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:31,100 I can't tell you how proud I am of this team. 557 00:36:32,539 --> 00:36:35,499 And of the work that we've done together over the past four months. 558 00:36:36,499 --> 00:36:38,260 The six we found... 559 00:36:40,339 --> 00:36:41,899 Well, that's the kind of police work 560 00:36:41,939 --> 00:36:43,700 you can't just do from behind a desk. 561 00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:49,939 You're a credit to yourselves... and each other. 562 00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:55,339 Thank you. 563 00:37:17,415 --> 00:37:20,255 Nilsen, a 37-year-old civil servant, 564 00:37:20,295 --> 00:37:22,895 was arrested and charged after human remains were discovered 565 00:37:22,935 --> 00:37:27,534 at two properties in North London. He has now been committed to trial 566 00:37:27,574 --> 00:37:30,255 for six charges of murder and two attempted murders. 567 00:37:30,295 --> 00:37:34,094 The former police officer is due to appear in court later this week, 568 00:37:34,134 --> 00:37:37,935 where he is expected to plead guilty on all charges. 569 00:37:44,335 --> 00:37:46,335 DOOR BELL 570 00:37:55,094 --> 00:37:59,094 Peter. Steve! 571 00:37:59,134 --> 00:38:01,975 Can I get you anything? No, I'm fine. Thank you. 572 00:38:02,014 --> 00:38:04,295 I'll leave you to it. Thanks, love. 573 00:38:04,335 --> 00:38:07,054 How have you been? Yeah, not bad. 574 00:38:08,735 --> 00:38:11,174 What have you got? It's about the Nilsen case. 575 00:38:11,214 --> 00:38:13,855 Of the remains found in Cranley Gardens, 576 00:38:13,895 --> 00:38:15,775 one of the jaw bones had scars 577 00:38:15,815 --> 00:38:18,855 on both sides of the jaw due to a fracture. 578 00:38:18,895 --> 00:38:20,255 Take a seat, mate. 579 00:38:20,295 --> 00:38:23,214 Graham Allen had his jaw broke in a fight. It's in his record. 580 00:38:24,694 --> 00:38:26,855 That doesn't necessarily mean it's Allen. 581 00:38:26,895 --> 00:38:29,455 So, Bowen goes to Allen's odontologist. 582 00:38:29,494 --> 00:38:31,654 Finds a denture that he had made, but never picked up. 583 00:38:31,694 --> 00:38:33,295 It fit the jaw. 584 00:38:33,335 --> 00:38:35,855 Graham Allen is the third victim of Cranley Gardens. 585 00:38:41,935 --> 00:38:44,174 When he came round to the house that day... 586 00:38:45,815 --> 00:38:49,214 ..the last thing that I said to him was... 587 00:38:51,174 --> 00:38:54,014 .."I hope that you never come back." 588 00:38:56,335 --> 00:38:58,775 He'd have known you didn't mean that. 589 00:38:58,815 --> 00:39:02,054 Would he...? Sorry. 590 00:39:04,335 --> 00:39:06,574 SHE SOBS 591 00:39:06,614 --> 00:39:12,054 Would he have... felt any pain? 592 00:39:12,094 --> 00:39:14,574 I don't think so. 593 00:39:15,654 --> 00:39:17,455 OK. 594 00:39:20,574 --> 00:39:23,054 Lesley, erm... 595 00:39:25,815 --> 00:39:29,255 You know we've already charged Nilsen. 596 00:39:29,295 --> 00:39:32,255 That indictment's already been written up and processed. 597 00:39:35,815 --> 00:39:37,455 What are you saying? 598 00:39:43,335 --> 00:39:46,534 We can't add Graham's name to the list of Nilsen's victims. 599 00:39:52,574 --> 00:39:56,214 But you just said that he killed him. He did. 600 00:39:56,255 --> 00:40:00,455 But the court has a time limit to add names, 601 00:40:00,494 --> 00:40:03,094 and that passed a few days ago. 602 00:40:08,614 --> 00:40:11,815 SOBS 603 00:40:14,255 --> 00:40:16,935 SHE STAMMERS 604 00:40:16,975 --> 00:40:19,935 So Graham doesn't get any justice? 605 00:40:21,614 --> 00:40:23,534 I'm afraid not. 606 00:40:23,574 --> 00:40:26,014 SNIFFS 607 00:40:31,654 --> 00:40:33,094 DOOR SLAMS 608 00:40:37,335 --> 00:40:39,094 The Guv called me when I was on leave. 609 00:40:40,534 --> 00:40:41,815 He said that our squad 610 00:40:41,855 --> 00:40:44,694 was being seriously considered for a commendation. 611 00:40:44,735 --> 00:40:46,895 I think he thought it would make me feel better. 612 00:40:46,935 --> 00:40:48,935 But all it did was make me more angry. 613 00:40:52,094 --> 00:40:57,455 You got, uh, two kids, right? Sorry, Steve, I mean, I should know that. 614 00:40:57,494 --> 00:41:00,455 Four. Two boys, two girls. 615 00:41:03,214 --> 00:41:05,134 Linda wants another. 616 00:41:05,174 --> 00:41:07,855 Well, I mean, our first, another for me. 617 00:41:09,174 --> 00:41:11,614 You not so much? Well, I'd like to. 618 00:41:13,295 --> 00:41:16,014 But I've already fucked it up four times. 619 00:41:16,054 --> 00:41:19,295 This job does that. How are the boys? 620 00:41:22,214 --> 00:41:25,014 I haven't seen them for a while. 621 00:41:25,054 --> 00:41:26,775 I'm sorry to hear that, Peter. 622 00:41:27,975 --> 00:41:29,614 We should have stopped him, Steve. 623 00:41:31,054 --> 00:41:34,375 We caught him first chance we could. But we should have known. 624 00:41:34,415 --> 00:41:37,014 Sometimes it's just not possible. 625 00:41:37,054 --> 00:41:41,094 I mean, he had a normal life, a normal job. 626 00:41:42,855 --> 00:41:46,494 You going to the committal hearing? Yeah. You? 627 00:41:46,534 --> 00:41:50,094 Aye. I can't wait for it all to be over. 628 00:41:50,134 --> 00:41:51,534 D'you know that he was the one 629 00:41:51,574 --> 00:41:54,375 that wrote the letters about the blocked drains? 630 00:41:54,415 --> 00:41:57,014 Told his landlord he wouldn't pay rent until they were cleaned. 631 00:41:57,054 --> 00:42:00,975 I mean, this whole thing, it's always been to Nilsen's script. 632 00:42:11,895 --> 00:42:15,455 Brian? Hello? 633 00:42:17,174 --> 00:42:19,295 A dogs' home called for you. 634 00:42:19,335 --> 00:42:23,295 They said further to your enquiry, Nilsen's dog has been put down. 635 00:42:23,335 --> 00:42:27,214 He asked me to find out about his dog, that's all. 636 00:42:29,975 --> 00:42:33,255 I need to get him to trust me. Otherwise all this is for nothing. 637 00:42:33,295 --> 00:42:36,815 So, what, now you're doing errands for him? Oh, come on. 638 00:42:38,975 --> 00:42:42,494 Someone who knows our world, our community, needs to write this. 639 00:42:42,534 --> 00:42:44,975 Otherwise they'll get it wrong. I mean, they'll fuck it up. 640 00:42:45,014 --> 00:42:49,295 They already are. Please... please try and understand. 641 00:42:52,614 --> 00:42:55,255 Just make sure it's not him who's writing it. 642 00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:15,214 REPORTERS CALL OUT 643 00:43:17,255 --> 00:43:19,415 Inspector! Having spent so much time with Nilsen, 644 00:43:19,455 --> 00:43:21,455 can you tell us what is he really like? 645 00:43:21,494 --> 00:43:23,815 Unremarkable. What makes you say that? 646 00:43:23,855 --> 00:43:25,694 REPORTERS CALL OUT 647 00:43:46,214 --> 00:43:50,174 This is a surprise, Brian. Hello, there, Des. 648 00:43:50,214 --> 00:43:53,775 How are you doing? Ah, I can't complain. 649 00:43:53,815 --> 00:43:55,335 If I did, who'd listen? 650 00:43:56,735 --> 00:43:58,214 Des, erm... 651 00:44:00,614 --> 00:44:04,855 ..Bleep was put down by the dogs' home. 652 00:44:06,654 --> 00:44:10,855 She became ill not soon after you'd been arrested 653 00:44:10,895 --> 00:44:16,094 and they thought that it would be kinder that way. 654 00:44:18,375 --> 00:44:20,935 She forgave me everything and never let me down. 655 00:44:22,775 --> 00:44:24,574 But in the moment of her greatest crisis, 656 00:44:24,614 --> 00:44:26,014 I wasnae there for her. 657 00:44:29,335 --> 00:44:31,054 How's the book progressing? 658 00:44:33,214 --> 00:44:35,775 It's coming along very well, thank you. 659 00:44:35,815 --> 00:44:39,694 I'm currently writing about your experiences in Aden. 660 00:44:39,735 --> 00:44:42,375 Another place the British Army should have never been. 661 00:44:43,815 --> 00:44:46,094 When they came to get me, I thought you were my solicitor. 662 00:44:47,415 --> 00:44:51,415 Sorry? Solicitor? I thought you'd dispensed with your legal aid? 663 00:44:51,455 --> 00:44:54,574 Change is the only constant in life. Who said that? 664 00:44:54,614 --> 00:44:56,574 Heraclitus. Yeah. 665 00:44:58,375 --> 00:45:01,614 No, well, this solicitor, this one has a tax-deductible heart, 666 00:45:01,654 --> 00:45:02,855 but needs must, y'know? 667 00:45:04,214 --> 00:45:08,415 Right, well... I'll see you up there. 668 00:45:10,295 --> 00:45:12,174 I do wanna thank you, Brian. 669 00:45:14,335 --> 00:45:17,534 For what? Your company. 670 00:45:54,775 --> 00:45:56,775 All rise. 671 00:46:13,775 --> 00:46:19,134 Dennis Andrew Nilsen, on count one of this indictment, 672 00:46:19,174 --> 00:46:22,614 you are charged with the murder of Stephen Sinclair. 673 00:46:22,654 --> 00:46:27,054 How say you, are you guilty or not guilty? 674 00:46:29,614 --> 00:46:31,054 Not guilty. 675 00:46:31,094 --> 00:46:32,174 COURTROOM MURMURS 676 00:46:32,214 --> 00:46:35,855 On count two, you are charged with the murder of Kenneth Ockenden. 677 00:46:35,895 --> 00:46:40,255 How say you, guilty or not guilty? Not guilty. 678 00:46:40,295 --> 00:46:43,735 On count three, you are charged with the murder of John Howlett. 679 00:46:43,775 --> 00:46:46,694 How say you, guilty or not guilty? 680 00:46:46,735 --> 00:46:49,014 Not guilty. 78677

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