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I like to summarize the evidence using four wars that begin with the letter E.
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And I'll go through it quickly, but if you have any follow-up sur questions, I can elaborate on any of them.
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The first E stands for execution.
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Was Jesus dead after being crucified?
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And the answer is absolutely yes.
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As was said in the film, there is no record anywhere of anybody ever surviving a full-room
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crucifixion.
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Even the Journal of the American Medical Association, which is a secular,
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peer-reviewed scientific medical journal carried an investigation into the medical and
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historical evidence for the death of Jesus and said clearly there's a quote clearly
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the weight of the historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead even
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before the wound to his side was inflicted.
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We've got you could you could go to an atheist New Testament scholar like Garrett
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Luteman formally abandoned and he'll tell you that Jesus death as a consequence of crucifixion
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is indisputable.
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And one of the reasons I found that it's so universally agreed by historians that he was
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dead after being crucified is that when you study ancient history, we're lucky if we have
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one or two sources to confirm a fact.
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But for the death of Jesus, we not only have multiple, early, first century accounts in the
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documents of the New Testament, we've also got five ancient sources outside the Bible, confirming
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a corroborating that he died.
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And Josephus, for century Jewish historian,
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to work for the Romans,
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tacit as another early historian,
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Maribar Serapian, Lucien,
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even the Jewish Talmud admits he was dead.
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So the first he is execution Jesus was,
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second is most interesting.
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Sands for early.
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We have early accounts or early reports
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that Jesus rose from the dead.
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In other words, reports go right back to the beginning.
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Why is it important?
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I used to think like a lot of skeptics
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that the resurrection was a legend.
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And I knew it took time for legend to develop
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in the ancient world.
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So I figured, you know, 150 years after the death of Jesus,
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legends developed mythologies were spawned.
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Stories were invented and that's where the idea
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of the resurrection came from.
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But what I learned and I've continued this investigation
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to the present day, I might continue to look into this.
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What I've learned, I think,
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decimates the claim that the resurrection is a legend.
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and here's why. We have preserved for us a creed of the earliest Christians, a creed,
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a statement of conviction based on eyewitness accounts that the earliest Christians right there
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in the first century would rally around based on facts that they knew to be true. So this creed
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contains the essence of Christianity says Jesus died. Why? For our sins, he was buried.
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And the third day he rolls from the dead and then it mentions the specific names of
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eyewitnesses and groups of eyewitnesses to whom he appeared, including 500 people at once.
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And then it says parenthetically, by the way, a lot of those folks are still around.
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So if you don't believe me, go ahead and talk to yourself.
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You're there around.
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You can question them.
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Now this creed has been dated back by scholars to within months of the death of Jesus.
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How do we know?
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Well, the Apostle Paul preserved it for us.
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He wrote a letter to the church in Corinth,
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about 21 to 25 years after the death of Jesus.
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He reports he recounts this creed,
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and he indicates, past tense, I already gave you this creed
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earlier.
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So, let's say within 20 years,
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he had given this creed to the church in Corinth.
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We could stop there, and that would be very impressive,
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when you consider the first two biographies
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the veil extended the great by Aryan and Plutarch written 400 years after his life, and
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they're generally considered reliable.
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So within 20 years is really good, but we can go back earlier because we know the Paul
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used to be Saul of Tarsus, a persecutor, a hater of Christians.
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One to three years after the death of Jesus, he's under road to Damascus, Pumi has us encounter
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with the risen Christ, he becomes the apostle Paul.
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Immediately he goes into Damascus and he meets with some apostles.
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A many scholars believe this is when he was given the creed that he later writes in the letter.
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But others say, "Wait, it may have been three years later."
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Three years later, Paul goes to Jerusalem and he meets for 15 days with two eyewitnesses
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to the resurrection who were specifically named in the creed, Peter and James.
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And the Greek were the Paul uses and Galatians to describe this meeting, suggests that this
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was an investigative inquiry that were checking each other out.
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What do you know?
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What did you see?
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And some scholars believe this is when he was given the creed by two people specifically named in the creed.
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But either way, this means within one to six years after the death of Jesus, this creed is already in existence.
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And therefore the beliefs that make up that creed go back earlier virtually to the cross itself.
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In fact, probably the greatest scholar in this area, Dr. James D. G. Dunn says, this is a quote.
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He says, "This tradition, by that he means this creed,
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"we can be entirely confident,
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"was formulated as a creed as tradition
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"within months of the death of Jesus, within months."
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That is far too quick to write it off as a legend.
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In fact, one of the greatest classical historians
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who ever lived was a insurwen white of Oxford.
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He understood the rate at which legend developed
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in the ancient world.
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And he said, "The passage of two generations of time
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is not even enough for legend to grow up
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and wipe out a solid core of a historical truth.
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We don't have two generations of time pass in here.
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We got a new flash and new flash
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that goes right back to the beginning.
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So we have early, and we've got other early accounts
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right from the first century in Matthew Mark
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Luke John the Book of Acts and so forth.
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So Jesus was dead execution early accounts,
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which I believe discounts of possibility
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that's a legend.
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30 is for empty-two.
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And there's lots of reasons why we believe the two
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is empty, but I think the most convincing reason
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is that even the opponents of Jesus implicitly admitted
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that it was empty.
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How do we know?
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Well, because when the disciples began proclaiming
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that Jesus had risen, what the opponents of Jesus said,
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we know this in sources inside and outside the New Testament,
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that what the opponent said was, so disciples,
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Jesus has risen, opponents.
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Oh, well, the disciple stole the body.
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Now, think about that.
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That's a cover story.
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They're implicitly admitting the two Mezzempty
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through trying to explain how it got empty.
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Right?
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It's like if you're a student, I mean a teacher,
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and a student comes up to you and says,
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"A dog ate my homework."
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That students are admitting,
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"Look, I don't have my homework,
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but I can explain what happened to it, the dog ate it."
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It's the same thing.
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So everybody said admitting the two Mezzempty.
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That's not the issue.
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the issue is how did it get empty.
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And then the fourth E stands for eyewitnesses.
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Not only was Jesus tuned discovered empty,
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but over a period of time, he appears alive.
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It doesn't different instances to more than 550 people,
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to skeptics and doubters, to men,
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to women, to groups, to individuals, indoors, outdoors,
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daytime, nighttime, the disciples, talk to them.
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They ate with them.
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They touched him.
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But here's what's interesting about the eyewitnesses.
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Remember I said earlier, in ancient history,
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we're lucky if we have one or two sources
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to confirm a fact.
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Well, for the conviction of the disciples
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that they encountered the resurrected Jesus,
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we have no fewer than nine ancient sources.
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Inside and outside the New Testament,
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confirming and corroborating the conviction of the disciples
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that they encountered the resurrected Jesus.
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That is an avalanche of historical data.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And it's convincing because as you mentioned in the book,
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he talks about how the disciples later gave their lives
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for these claims and the pushback you got,
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of course, was, well, people die for lies all the time.
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And which is true.
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>> Yeah.
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>> But people don't die for things they know to be lies.
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>> Exactly.
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>> And I've repeated that, right?
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I've repeated that so many times.
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I got it from him.
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All right.
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And my congregation, SIG, if you're in a bother,
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probably, but that is one of the lunchbans of your argument.
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Absolutely.
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When we talk about the tomb being empty,
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well, the disciples stole the body.
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What's the problem with that claim
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is that they wouldn't have then given their lives for a lie.
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If they stole the body, they would have known,
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and they would have given up at some point,
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and just going on about their lives.
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And Rome and the Jews would have been happy
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to let them do that.
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but they didn't, they pressed on.
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And we have seven ancient sources, six of them
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outside the Bible that tell us
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that the disciples lived lives of deprivation
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and suffering as a result of their proclamation
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that Jesus had risen.
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What actually happened to a few of the disciples
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because a little bit blurry in history,
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but that's not the point.
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The point is they're willing this to die for it.
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And that is established beyond any doubt
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by the ancient record.
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And you're absolutely right.
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That was one of the final blocks
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that went into the case.
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Yeah, I mean, because I thought, well, golly,
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they're all kinds of religious fanatics
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who will die for what they believe is true.
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Comic-Cocasi pilots in World War II
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would crash their planes,
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'cause they believe spiritually
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if they die this way, they go to heaven.
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Terrorists will die.
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Why are they willing to die in the process
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of these crimes that they commit?
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Because they believe and they've been taught,
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They believe it to the core of their being.
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If they die this way, they'll go to heaven.
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But they can't know that for a fact.
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They just believe it.
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They were taught it and they believe it.
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The contrast is the disciples were in unique position
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and know for a fact.
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Whether this is true or whether it's alive,
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they talked to the resurrected Jesus,
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they touched them, they ate with them.
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They knew the truth.
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- And they had the empty tomb.
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- And they had the empty tomb, which backs it up as well.
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So, I think it's a very strong.
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Now some people say, and this is one of my counter arguments that I came up with, a couple
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things, one was, well wait a minute, they didn't bury crucifixion victims.
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They didn't bury execution victims back in the Roman times.
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They would throw their bodies in a pit to be eaten by the dogs or they'd leave them
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on the cross, be eaten by the birds.
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So of course Jesus' tomb was empty, he wasn't in the first place.
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I thought, yeah, what about that?
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And then I looked into it, and one of my fine,
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the Roman digesta, which is a summary of
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Lawn procedure from the Roman Empire,
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specifically does allow for bodies of execution victims
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who be turned over for burial.
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Number two, several years ago,
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probably back in the early 90s,
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they discovered the body of a buried crucifixion victim.
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He still had the spike through his heel bone
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and a piece of the olive wood attached.
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And so he had been buried, so certainly somewhere buried,
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and then just recently within the last year,
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they uncovered another crucifixion victim
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who had been buried.
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Again, with the evidence of the crucifixion reflected
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in the bones.
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So some indeed were buried.
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So that kind of shoots at that.
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The other argument that I bought for a while
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was that these were visions or hallucinations,
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that the disciples didn't really encounter Jesus, they hallucinated.
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And it's interesting that one of the most famous atheists
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New Testament scholars, Gared Ludeman, said
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that it is certain.
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Historically, it is a virtually a quote.
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He said, it is historically certain
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that Peter and the other disciples had experiences
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after Jesus' death in which Jesus appeared to them
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as the risen Christ.
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- Wow.
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- That's the atheist talking.
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Well, why is he still an atheist?
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'Cause he believes these were visions,
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these were hallucinations.
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So, I'm a journalist, I check things out.
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So I went to an expert on the human mind.
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PhD in psychology, professor of psychology
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for 20 years in a major Midwestern university,
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written over 20 or 30 books on psychology.
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He was a president of a national association of psychologists.
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And I laid out all the historical data and I said,
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"Now, Dr. Collins, when you admit to me,
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These disciples didn't encounter the resurrected Jesus.
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They just had hallucinations.
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And he looked at me and said, "That's not possible."
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I said, "Well, you seem pretty sure yourself."
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He said, "I am."
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And he said, "You got to understand something about the nature of hallucinations."
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"H hallucinations are like dreams."
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They happen in individual minds.
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They don't spread like the common cold.
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It's not like you can wake your wife up in the middle of the night and say, "Honey, honey,
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I'm having a dream about a vacation in Maui."
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Let's both go back to sleep.
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We have the same dream.
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We'll save all the airfare.
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We'll save all the hotel costs.
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I mean, be great if we could do that.
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But why can't we do that?
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Because dreams happen in individual minds.
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And that's the same with the hallucination.
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In fact, he looked at me and he said,
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Lee, you're earliest account.
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You're most reliable historically.
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The earliest account says that 500 people
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encountered the resurrected Jesus at one time.
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He said, Lee, 500 people.
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have in the same hallucination at the same time
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would be a bigger miracle than the resurrection.
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And then he said, and by the way, if these were just
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hallucinations, then I assume the body's still in the two.
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Whoops.
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Oops.
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Yeah.
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That's gone.
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And then I said, well, what if it's something more subtle?
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And I think this is what Dr. Aloudum and the atheist would say.
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That these were visions.
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And this is a known psychological phenomenon
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that people want something so much if they're primed for it,
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they can actually see things that aren't there.
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You know, they mischias us so much.
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He was there leader, he loved him.
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Oh John, can't you see him?
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He's back.
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I see him over there in the shadows.
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Well, there's a problem with that.
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James, the half brother of Jesus,
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was a skeptic about Jesus during Jesus' lifetime.
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He wasn't psychologically primed, primed,
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have a vision.
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But his brother returned from the dead.
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And yet, for his Corinthians 15 says,
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Jesus appeared to Him, what happened to Him?
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He became a leader of the church
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proclaiming that His brother had risen
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and He was murdered for His faith.
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And then the apostle Paul hated Christians.
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He wasn't psychologically prime for a resurrection,
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which by the way was totally against the teachings
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of Judaism of the day,
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that there would be one resurrection in the end,
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not anything in the interim.
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And Paul wasn't psychologically prime for vision.
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And yet, he had this encounter with Christ.
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So it's another little piece that we don't talk about a lot.
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Evidence against the legend theory that the resurrection of Jesus was a legend, because
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legends must fulfill some preconceived expectation.
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And the resurrection of Jesus as it happened was not expected or anticipated by anyone.
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Not even the most fundamentalist of or orthodox of Jewish folks at the time expected there to be one man who would be resurrected first
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before all the rest of us are later.
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And so even the disciples have told us
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that they didn't expect it.
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They didn't even know what was happening
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after.
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Right.
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He resurrected like he's there in front of them
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like a whole new body like hey guys
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and they're like doubting him.
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Yeah.
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As he says they worship Tim and some doubt it.
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The same time and Jesus is like what else do I have to do?
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Yeah, to prove this to you guys.
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And that's another reason why we value doubting here.
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It's because it's the tradition
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all this Christianity itself, but it has to be doubt-sedirected toward Jesus instead of
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an isolation away from him.
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