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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,968 (Crowd cheering) 2 00:00:10,043 --> 00:00:11,703 I'm ready to retire. 3 00:00:12,378 --> 00:00:13,346 Forthe last couple of years 4 00:00:13,445 --> 00:00:15,573 I've gotten very busy on the off season. 5 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:17,680 Mainly, because early in my career... 6 00:00:18,351 --> 00:00:19,841 I had those rough years in Buffalo. 7 00:00:20,487 --> 00:00:22,317 I sort of told myself then 8 00:00:22,421 --> 00:00:24,515 I would, uh, put my energies in something that was gonna 9 00:00:24,790 --> 00:00:26,622 sustain me and last. 10 00:00:26,726 --> 00:00:28,659 I knew then that I would have trouble adjusting 11 00:00:28,761 --> 00:00:30,286 to not being a football player. 12 00:00:30,563 --> 00:00:31,393 So, I said, 13 00:00:31,597 --> 00:00:33,862 "Hey, I better start preparing myself for... for... 14 00:00:33,967 --> 00:00:35,958 for, you know... now. (Laughs) 15 00:00:37,002 --> 00:00:38,800 I wanna tell you that overthe years 16 00:00:39,105 --> 00:00:42,039 I've heard your applause, and I appreciated your cheers. 17 00:00:42,842 --> 00:00:44,365 And I want you to know 18 00:00:44,877 --> 00:00:48,779 that I already know it's what I'm gonna miss most. 19 00:00:49,449 --> 00:00:50,779 Thank you all, very much. 20 00:00:50,917 --> 00:00:52,578 (Crowd cheering) 21 00:01:23,615 --> 00:01:25,708 (Birds chirping) 22 00:01:29,122 --> 00:01:31,716 (Bus approaching) 23 00:01:37,663 --> 00:01:41,430 Growing up in Brentwood was really a wonderful experience. 24 00:01:42,068 --> 00:01:43,729 It's very quiet. 25 00:01:44,002 --> 00:01:45,630 It's very affluent. 26 00:01:46,038 --> 00:01:46,936 Very safe. 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:48,429 Very white. 28 00:01:51,077 --> 00:01:52,806 Burglaries were very rare. 29 00:01:52,878 --> 00:01:54,869 Violent crime almost nonexistent. 30 00:01:55,481 --> 00:01:56,744 You could leave your door unlocked. 31 00:01:57,583 --> 00:01:59,643 Never have to worry about anything. 32 00:02:02,588 --> 00:02:06,719 I graduated the academy in 1975. 33 00:02:06,893 --> 00:02:10,122 And then transferred to west L.A. 1978-79. 34 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:14,061 West L.A., the whole division, Bel Air, Brentwood, all... 35 00:02:14,567 --> 00:02:15,659 it's loaded with stars. 36 00:02:16,668 --> 00:02:17,795 And I'd sit back and go, 37 00:02:17,904 --> 00:02:19,895 "Man, am I really getting paid for doing this?" 38 00:02:23,576 --> 00:02:25,407 When I first got there, O.J. Had just moved 39 00:02:25,511 --> 00:02:27,172 from around Mulholland overto Rockingham. 40 00:02:29,815 --> 00:02:34,185 O.J. Simpson living in Brentwood was really an anomaly. 41 00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:36,953 He'd be one of maybe three black people 42 00:02:37,222 --> 00:02:38,815 in the entire community. 43 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:42,893 Los Angeles is unlike other places. 44 00:02:43,529 --> 00:02:45,828 If you're a celebrity, you have no color. 45 00:02:46,733 --> 00:02:48,792 People enjoy having you in their neighborhood. 46 00:02:48,935 --> 00:02:50,766 Especially if you're a celebrity like O.J. 47 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:55,000 Where everyone's husband worshipped him as a sports hero 48 00:02:55,641 --> 00:02:58,042 and couldn't wait to shake hands. 49 00:02:59,078 --> 00:03:01,171 Once I found out he was living on Rockingham, 50 00:03:01,614 --> 00:03:04,777 I decided I'd go by there, you know, and let him know... 51 00:03:04,884 --> 00:03:07,648 "Hey, you know? O.J., I'm here." 52 00:03:07,753 --> 00:03:08,583 This is where I work. 53 00:03:09,221 --> 00:03:10,018 O.J. Was great. 54 00:03:10,123 --> 00:03:12,489 He'd always referred to the LAPD as "the boys." You know? 55 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:13,588 "How's crime today?" 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,728 "Hey, Shipp, what's going on in my area, man?" 57 00:03:15,828 --> 00:03:16,692 "Is you keeping the peace?" 58 00:03:16,796 --> 00:03:17,922 You know, stuff like that? 59 00:03:18,131 --> 00:03:19,962 And I'd be like, "Hey, man, everything's good." 60 00:03:25,572 --> 00:03:29,235 70-80 percent of the people in the city of Los Angeles, 61 00:03:29,609 --> 00:03:32,737 were thinking LAPD does a greatjob, we don't have crime here. 62 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,944 They thought out in the Valley or west Los Angeles, 63 00:03:36,015 --> 00:03:38,984 "Hey, man, they're great." They smile. They wave. 64 00:03:39,085 --> 00:03:40,882 They're always around when you need them. 65 00:03:43,789 --> 00:03:47,988 Well, that wasn't how other parts of the city were being treated. 66 00:03:51,864 --> 00:03:54,025 On January 3rd, 1979, 67 00:03:54,766 --> 00:03:57,565 two members of the Los Angeles Police Department 68 00:03:57,670 --> 00:04:00,764 shot and killed Eulia Love at her home, 69 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:05,543 in a dispute over $22.09 utility bill. 70 00:04:06,310 --> 00:04:07,802 She died on her front lawn 71 00:04:07,913 --> 00:04:09,971 before the eyes of her own children. 72 00:04:12,685 --> 00:04:15,846 There is no single event that had a more profound impact 73 00:04:15,954 --> 00:04:19,015 in LAPD history up to that point and time 74 00:04:19,826 --> 00:04:22,158 than the shooting of Eulia May Love. 75 00:04:25,632 --> 00:04:29,068 This is where Mrs. Eulia Love stood the day the shooting took place. 76 00:04:29,202 --> 00:04:31,568 There was an officer here, an officer there. 77 00:04:31,738 --> 00:04:33,831 She held a knife in her hand, there was a scuffle, 78 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:35,065 the knife was knocked out of her hand, 79 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:37,074 she reached for it, and as she threw it, 80 00:04:37,176 --> 00:04:38,871 the officers opened fire. 81 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:42,073 This was a big deal. 82 00:04:42,347 --> 00:04:45,806 This is a woman who's had a tough time. 83 00:04:47,052 --> 00:04:48,315 And she was desperate. 84 00:04:48,954 --> 00:04:51,185 So, there was a lot of empathy going out to her 85 00:04:51,324 --> 00:04:52,221 from the community. 86 00:04:55,328 --> 00:04:58,058 Once again, we have a member of the black community... 87 00:04:58,331 --> 00:04:59,127 dead... 88 00:04:59,332 --> 00:05:02,733 under circumstances that are highly questionable at best. 89 00:05:05,872 --> 00:05:07,635 It has been determined that the evidence 90 00:05:07,739 --> 00:05:10,003 does not warrant the filing of criminal charges. 91 00:05:10,909 --> 00:05:13,640 This was a justifiable homicide, 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,849 uh, committed by the officers in their own self-defense. 93 00:05:18,685 --> 00:05:21,210 As far as LAPD was concerned, it was just an event. 94 00:05:22,087 --> 00:05:23,783 And everybody was supposed to accept it. 95 00:05:25,824 --> 00:05:28,692 This was on the lips and minds of everybody in the community. 96 00:05:30,096 --> 00:05:32,962 The people gonna getjustice, and it's gonna be in the street. 97 00:05:36,402 --> 00:05:38,734 It didn't help that you had a police chief, 98 00:05:38,837 --> 00:05:40,032 who behaved poorly, 99 00:05:40,105 --> 00:05:42,074 and, in many ways, irresponsibly. 100 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:47,005 And I've commented on the media squeezing out the last, uh... 101 00:05:47,779 --> 00:05:50,078 tear of emotion in this situation, 102 00:05:50,149 --> 00:05:52,344 where they talk about a $22 gas bill. 103 00:05:52,918 --> 00:05:54,978 It doesn't make any difference, but it was, uh... 104 00:05:55,755 --> 00:05:57,847 a $69 gas bill. 105 00:05:58,925 --> 00:06:00,085 Gates was Gates. 106 00:06:00,226 --> 00:06:03,354 He's going to be fully supportive of his officers. 107 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:08,264 I guess they don't think I have any sympathy for anyone, 108 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,891 other than police officers, and that's simply not true. 109 00:06:11,170 --> 00:06:14,799 I have great empathy and sympathy for Eulia Love and her family. 110 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:16,966 Deeply sorry that it happened, but it did happen. 111 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:19,708 I... 112 00:06:19,878 --> 00:06:21,244 (Clears throat) Was a big fan of Daryl... 113 00:06:21,713 --> 00:06:22,703 Francis Gates. 114 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:26,683 Gates introduced the SwAT model of law enforcement, 115 00:06:26,786 --> 00:06:29,413 introduced the D.A.R.E. Program to all of law enforcement. 116 00:06:30,288 --> 00:06:31,916 So he was an innovator. 117 00:06:32,257 --> 00:06:34,418 But he was also a controversial guy. 118 00:06:34,994 --> 00:06:37,121 GATES: We have officers out there doing the job. 119 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:40,331 Attempting to make good judgment based on the information they have, 120 00:06:40,867 --> 00:06:42,232 protecting themselves and protecting 121 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:44,199 the people of the city of Los Angeles, 122 00:06:44,703 --> 00:06:46,261 that we will go to hell for. 123 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:52,674 He loved LAPD. He loved his officers. 124 00:06:53,712 --> 00:06:57,979 And there were times that I believe that his love for his officers... 125 00:06:59,018 --> 00:07:00,212 and the law enforcement mission... 126 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:02,453 conflicted. 127 00:07:10,029 --> 00:07:12,122 O.J. Simpson and Elizabeth Montgomery 128 00:07:12,331 --> 00:07:14,299 are two police detectives who have a problem. 129 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:17,927 They're falling in love, and it's breaking all the rules. 130 00:07:18,203 --> 00:07:19,329 But you are a married man, 131 00:07:19,771 --> 00:07:21,433 and your conduct is supposed to be exemplary. 132 00:07:21,841 --> 00:07:23,467 Would it make any difference if I was a white cop? 133 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:27,177 It's a bittersweet story of two people caught between 134 00:07:27,346 --> 00:07:28,779 their emotions and their actions 135 00:07:29,081 --> 00:07:30,742 in "A Killing Affair". 136 00:07:31,016 --> 00:07:33,177 Sunday at 3:00 on channel 9. 137 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:36,188 Life for a black person... 138 00:07:36,788 --> 00:07:38,086 in a way, unfortunately, 139 00:07:38,190 --> 00:07:40,181 is different than for white people. 140 00:07:40,493 --> 00:07:44,725 And especially for black people who attain great success. 141 00:07:45,431 --> 00:07:48,161 Is there pressure from your community 142 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,302 foryou to really walk the straight and narrow? 143 00:07:52,771 --> 00:07:55,206 I know that you are currently dating a white woman. 144 00:07:55,408 --> 00:07:59,037 I wouldn't be asking this question if we were living in different times, 145 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:01,203 but we aren't, and there seems to be... 146 00:08:01,847 --> 00:08:03,212 this sort of dichotomy here. 147 00:08:03,549 --> 00:08:04,777 How do you answer it? 148 00:08:04,884 --> 00:08:06,408 Well, I rebel against images because... 149 00:08:06,886 --> 00:08:07,511 then, um... 150 00:08:07,819 --> 00:08:09,878 you know, people tend to expect things from you. 151 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:12,287 I- I think I created an image by being me. 152 00:08:12,558 --> 00:08:14,355 When I get into these arguments with... 153 00:08:14,860 --> 00:08:16,260 people of the bla- people of my community, 154 00:08:16,362 --> 00:08:17,226 the black community, 155 00:08:17,363 --> 00:08:19,854 I say, "Hey, I... I've accepted Jesus Christ" 156 00:08:20,099 --> 00:08:22,760 and, uh, I try to do unto others as, uh... 157 00:08:23,068 --> 00:08:24,229 you know, I would have them do unto me. 158 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:25,998 And afterthat, hey, my life is mine. 159 00:08:26,136 --> 00:08:29,232 And I... I do what is morally right and acceptable to me. 160 00:08:29,308 --> 00:08:31,400 I am not prejudiced in any form. 161 00:08:31,577 --> 00:08:33,373 Obviously, I got a white girlfriend. (Laughs) 162 00:08:35,881 --> 00:08:38,315 I admired his celebrity status. 163 00:08:39,217 --> 00:08:41,778 We thought he had accomplished quite a bit. 164 00:08:41,885 --> 00:08:43,445 To move from an athlete... 165 00:08:44,222 --> 00:08:46,987 to... a position of celebrity, 166 00:08:47,426 --> 00:08:51,192 and loved by all the people, notjust black folk. 167 00:08:51,497 --> 00:08:53,988 (Gospel singing) 168 00:08:57,470 --> 00:09:01,907 I invited O.J. Here, early on in the '80s. 169 00:09:02,542 --> 00:09:05,375 He didn't come as often as I thought he should. 170 00:09:06,145 --> 00:09:07,908 But he did come to church. 171 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:10,045 I think he was very in tune with... 172 00:09:10,149 --> 00:09:11,411 who his mother wanted him to be. 173 00:09:13,119 --> 00:09:16,282 She wanted him to be honest, to be religious. 174 00:09:17,023 --> 00:09:19,924 Just to rise above a lot of the things 175 00:09:20,025 --> 00:09:21,458 that he saw growing up. 176 00:09:22,627 --> 00:09:24,425 His mother was a staunch Christian. 177 00:09:25,131 --> 00:09:29,534 And she had embedded within him the tenets of Jesus Christ. 178 00:09:30,403 --> 00:09:34,362 I would talk to him about having achieved money and fame. 179 00:09:34,974 --> 00:09:37,067 But all that came from God. 180 00:09:37,877 --> 00:09:40,175 And there are times when you should... 181 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,610 respond to how good God has been to you. 182 00:09:44,984 --> 00:09:46,576 Now, some days, depending on his mood, 183 00:09:47,086 --> 00:09:48,519 he would agree. 184 00:09:49,956 --> 00:09:51,480 But he was not out there... 185 00:09:51,924 --> 00:09:52,515 publically... 186 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,127 fighting forAfrican-Americans. 187 00:09:56,662 --> 00:09:59,256 I think each person who is in the limelight 188 00:09:59,966 --> 00:10:01,957 has an obligation... 189 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,994 to make things better for the last, the lost, the least, 190 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:07,003 the left out, and the looked over. 191 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,632 And I thought he should have done more. 192 00:10:13,412 --> 00:10:16,313 If we, as Black people, do not take on the responsibility... 193 00:10:16,649 --> 00:10:18,241 to do something for ourselves, 194 00:10:18,451 --> 00:10:21,011 we really should be scorned in the eyes of the world. 195 00:10:21,554 --> 00:10:23,920 In my circles, there were not a lot of people 196 00:10:24,023 --> 00:10:27,150 who were preoccupying themselves with getting to O.J. 197 00:10:27,259 --> 00:10:29,351 Or believing that O.J. Could be turned around, 198 00:10:29,427 --> 00:10:32,090 or someday was gonna come to his senses 199 00:10:32,398 --> 00:10:36,561 and embrace all of the things that have the values that we had, 200 00:10:36,969 --> 00:10:38,435 in terms of really, really 201 00:10:38,703 --> 00:10:42,230 doing something demonstrative for the Black community. 202 00:10:43,576 --> 00:10:45,407 O.J. Was just one of those things 203 00:10:45,511 --> 00:10:47,979 that you just kind of dismissed, "Oh, that brother's a lost cause." 204 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:51,547 His voice was mute... 205 00:10:52,284 --> 00:10:57,153 on any issues that related to Black people and our salvation, 206 00:10:57,422 --> 00:10:59,482 police brutality, all of those things. 207 00:11:00,226 --> 00:11:01,488 He was just a non-entity. 208 00:11:02,161 --> 00:11:03,525 (Applause) 209 00:11:04,329 --> 00:11:07,663 I don't know that he felt that he was sacrificing 210 00:11:07,967 --> 00:11:09,935 what other people thought he was. 211 00:11:10,435 --> 00:11:12,494 But you're sacrificing who you are... 212 00:11:14,273 --> 00:11:15,399 who you are raised to be. 213 00:11:18,077 --> 00:11:22,411 How does one sustain that over that period of time? 214 00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:30,214 How does one bend one's soul to that degree of denial? 215 00:11:30,489 --> 00:11:32,319 (Sirens wailing) 216 00:11:33,492 --> 00:11:35,391 It's easy to tell while laid out on the ground, 217 00:11:35,461 --> 00:11:36,427 while he's bleeding to death. 218 00:11:36,494 --> 00:11:37,723 Is that what makes you happy? 219 00:11:38,096 --> 00:11:42,328 (Indistinct chatter) 220 00:11:43,069 --> 00:11:44,467 Did you hear? Did you see what was going on? 221 00:11:44,636 --> 00:11:47,037 Did he see everything happening in South Central? 222 00:11:47,206 --> 00:11:48,036 Yeah. 223 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:49,538 Did he want to take that home with him? 224 00:11:50,076 --> 00:11:51,737 Did he want that to be who he was? 225 00:11:52,144 --> 00:11:53,168 Who he identified with? No. 226 00:11:54,313 --> 00:11:55,337 He stayed in Brentwood. 227 00:11:59,051 --> 00:12:00,643 When you live in South L.A., 228 00:12:01,654 --> 00:12:02,586 I mean you live here, 229 00:12:02,688 --> 00:12:04,246 this is where you breath, 230 00:12:04,355 --> 00:12:06,381 this is where you occupy your space, 231 00:12:06,625 --> 00:12:09,059 I'm not sure if, you know, a lot of people even know 232 00:12:09,161 --> 00:12:10,127 where Brentwood is. 233 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:13,461 That's just the reality... 234 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:16,725 of Black America and white America. 235 00:12:19,204 --> 00:12:22,605 Two totally... separate worlds. 236 00:12:24,342 --> 00:12:27,278 (Orchestra playing) 237 00:12:32,685 --> 00:12:35,279 He's somebody who learned how to live with, 238 00:12:35,386 --> 00:12:38,685 be totally accepted by a white world. 239 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:41,252 (Orchestra continues playing) 240 00:12:43,529 --> 00:12:44,496 Underneath that, 241 00:12:44,663 --> 00:12:48,326 he learned all of the indignities of the Black world. 242 00:12:50,735 --> 00:12:55,332 Although it's impossible to believe that he's that brilliant an actor. 243 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:59,773 I think he was always kind of on when he was in a white world, 244 00:13:00,145 --> 00:13:02,136 and he weren't when he was in a Black world. 245 00:13:08,154 --> 00:13:12,453 Which makes him the right soul for Coalhouse walker. 246 00:13:15,860 --> 00:13:20,297 He very much wanted to be cast in E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime". 247 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:23,333 And he worked hard on trying to get that part. 248 00:13:24,336 --> 00:13:26,304 He saw the part as being 249 00:13:26,404 --> 00:13:29,431 something that he could go into a new dimension as an actor. 250 00:13:30,376 --> 00:13:31,842 Let's go to your acting career for a moment. 251 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:34,810 Why did you want the role of Coalhouse walkerJr? 252 00:13:35,281 --> 00:13:37,271 Well, first of all, it, um... 253 00:13:37,583 --> 00:13:40,518 it was the only part thus far that I've ever actively 254 00:13:40,586 --> 00:13:41,746 went after and didn't get. 255 00:13:41,886 --> 00:13:44,549 So, I'd consider it my only failure in film. 256 00:13:44,623 --> 00:13:46,181 (Laughs) Thus far. 257 00:13:46,324 --> 00:13:47,519 (Birds chirping) 258 00:13:49,328 --> 00:13:50,158 Good afternoon. 259 00:13:50,863 --> 00:13:52,694 I wonder if you might be able to help me. 260 00:13:53,766 --> 00:13:54,596 Uh... 261 00:13:54,699 --> 00:13:55,689 Uh... what do you want? 262 00:13:56,268 --> 00:13:58,565 Well, I'm looking for a young woman of color called Sarah. 263 00:13:59,238 --> 00:14:00,226 Uh... who are you? 264 00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:01,403 Oh, I'm sorry. 265 00:14:01,607 --> 00:14:03,336 My name is Coalhouse walkerJr. 266 00:14:03,708 --> 00:14:06,837 When I read the book, I could identify with this guy... 267 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:10,543 so much... He was a Black man in... at a time 268 00:14:10,616 --> 00:14:13,176 when you were supposed to know you were Black. 269 00:14:13,284 --> 00:14:14,775 You were supposed to know you had a place. 270 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:16,586 Would you please wait around the back? 271 00:14:17,456 --> 00:14:18,855 I was raised in the sports world 272 00:14:19,158 --> 00:14:22,150 where you're only, uh, judged by your abilities... 273 00:14:22,328 --> 00:14:23,851 and, uh, you know, what you have to give. 274 00:14:24,163 --> 00:14:24,753 (Playing piano) 275 00:14:27,533 --> 00:14:28,591 Who is Coalhouse? 276 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,635 Well, he's a guy who created himself. 277 00:14:30,836 --> 00:14:33,430 And destroyed himself... ultimately. 278 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:34,900 (Angry chatter) 279 00:14:35,306 --> 00:14:38,242 He was a guy among other things who was very prideful and suffered. 280 00:14:39,478 --> 00:14:40,637 Suffered for his pride. 281 00:14:40,846 --> 00:14:42,746 Mr. Walker, let me give you some advice. 282 00:14:44,350 --> 00:14:45,681 You spend the money on your wedding. 283 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:49,411 Build yourself a home and a family where you can find some comfort. 284 00:14:50,656 --> 00:14:54,148 And just forget that some damn white man caused you offence. 285 00:14:54,393 --> 00:14:56,418 I can understand exactly what he felt. 286 00:14:56,561 --> 00:14:57,494 When he walked in a room, 287 00:14:57,596 --> 00:14:59,894 he gave no credence to the fact he was Black 288 00:15:00,199 --> 00:15:02,599 and he wasn't supposed to say things or be treated any differently. 289 00:15:02,668 --> 00:15:03,532 And, uh... 290 00:15:03,668 --> 00:15:05,500 Uh... that's the way I've tried to look at my life. 291 00:15:05,604 --> 00:15:07,469 So, I felt I was the right person forthat role. 292 00:15:07,605 --> 00:15:09,904 I felt that I was today's Coalhouse walker. 293 00:15:10,275 --> 00:15:12,301 "Just forget it"? Is that it? 294 00:15:14,445 --> 00:15:15,935 I've spent my whole life forgetting. 295 00:15:16,448 --> 00:15:19,349 You're a young man. You better start learning now. 296 00:15:20,351 --> 00:15:21,284 Learning what? 297 00:15:21,854 --> 00:15:23,287 How to be a nigger? 298 00:15:26,492 --> 00:15:28,288 You know, there was some tragedy in your life... 299 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,619 in the last 10 years. You lost a child. 300 00:15:31,262 --> 00:15:33,424 I wanna talk about how it changed you. 301 00:15:40,706 --> 00:15:42,297 The baby drowned in a swimming pool. 302 00:15:42,808 --> 00:15:44,241 On Rockingham, there. 303 00:15:45,877 --> 00:15:46,845 He was away. 304 00:15:47,546 --> 00:15:49,241 You know, he was always gone. 305 00:15:49,381 --> 00:15:50,541 Four, set! 306 00:15:51,382 --> 00:15:52,714 I don't know how much it changed me. 307 00:15:52,818 --> 00:15:55,217 I've always tried to live my life to the fullest. 308 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:55,945 And, uh... 309 00:15:56,255 --> 00:15:56,949 I used to be so busy. 310 00:15:57,256 --> 00:15:58,223 And I was on the road so much, 311 00:15:58,724 --> 00:16:00,817 that in a sense it partially cost me a marriage. 312 00:16:01,659 --> 00:16:03,217 When I lost my daughter... 313 00:16:03,662 --> 00:16:04,628 I was gone. 314 00:16:05,029 --> 00:16:07,590 When my first daughter was born, I was gone. 315 00:16:07,766 --> 00:16:09,393 (Crowd cheering) 316 00:16:11,869 --> 00:16:13,860 When you lose a child, it's very hard. 317 00:16:14,473 --> 00:16:17,738 Three weeks before Aaren drowned, my son drowned... 318 00:16:18,510 --> 00:16:21,911 in a pool, that Boys Club in San Leandro, California. 319 00:16:22,681 --> 00:16:25,012 So, the tragedy affected us both. 320 00:16:26,618 --> 00:16:30,019 It still affects me. So, I know- how it affects him. 321 00:16:33,425 --> 00:16:35,654 He didn't bring it up, and we didn't talk much about it. 322 00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:36,851 Hey, O. J! 323 00:16:37,863 --> 00:16:40,730 I think it's the single most horrible thing in the world. 324 00:16:42,534 --> 00:16:43,933 (Crowd cheering) 325 00:16:45,304 --> 00:16:47,465 I think what you learn in the streets, 326 00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:50,270 is howto bury things. 327 00:16:51,043 --> 00:16:52,601 And he blamed Marguerite. 328 00:16:59,385 --> 00:17:02,012 He got rid of that memory when he got rid of that wife. 329 00:17:03,355 --> 00:17:05,482 Hejust compartmentalized it. 330 00:17:06,425 --> 00:17:07,756 And got 'em out. 331 00:17:09,795 --> 00:17:13,458 If anything, I made up my mind that I would be around. 332 00:17:13,565 --> 00:17:14,395 And, uh... 333 00:17:14,565 --> 00:17:15,964 it's nice to be loved by everybody. 334 00:17:16,635 --> 00:17:18,431 But there's some people that love you a little more. 335 00:17:18,737 --> 00:17:19,567 So, I guess if anything, 336 00:17:19,671 --> 00:17:21,797 I... I just want to be a little more loving 337 00:17:21,906 --> 00:17:24,068 and be there a little more to the people that have, uh, 338 00:17:24,376 --> 00:17:26,605 have chosen to share their lives with me. 339 00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:30,038 And now by the... 340 00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:32,578 authority committed unto me 341 00:17:32,684 --> 00:17:34,708 as a minister in the church of Jesus Christ 342 00:17:34,819 --> 00:17:36,947 and according to the laws in the State of California, 343 00:17:37,623 --> 00:17:40,023 it gives me great delight, O.J. And Nicole, 344 00:17:40,391 --> 00:17:42,656 to pronounce you husband and wife. 345 00:17:42,828 --> 00:17:44,523 (Applause) 346 00:17:45,096 --> 00:17:48,692 ("Uptight (Everything's Alright)" Plays) 347 00:17:56,775 --> 00:17:58,504 We love "Juice" like my brother. 348 00:17:58,610 --> 00:18:00,840 I'm thrilled he's my partner, and we're just... 349 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,948 totally knocked out that he finally took the step... 350 00:18:04,149 --> 00:18:06,845 ("Jump (For My Love)" plays) 351 00:18:07,386 --> 00:18:08,717 They had a great wedding. 352 00:18:09,988 --> 00:18:11,819 Of course, they had amazing music. 353 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:14,552 And it was all, you know, Christal champagne, 354 00:18:14,693 --> 00:18:15,523 all you could drink. 355 00:18:15,661 --> 00:18:17,424 Where are the drugs? No, I'm just kidding. 356 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:19,418 It was a great party. 357 00:18:21,766 --> 00:18:24,895 And they made a really strong, gorgeous couple. 358 00:18:28,507 --> 00:18:30,839 I just felt that they were the ideal couple. 359 00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:33,434 Because it seems like to me, from what I saw, 360 00:18:33,846 --> 00:18:36,371 it seemed like they just had so much fun all the time. 361 00:18:37,516 --> 00:18:39,108 I'm married! I don't believe it! 362 00:18:39,418 --> 00:18:40,009 (Laughing) 363 00:18:40,418 --> 00:18:41,851 I'm married! I really don't believe it. 364 00:18:41,953 --> 00:18:42,818 (Laughing) 365 00:18:43,555 --> 00:18:46,922 Nicole was funny, and she was fun to be around. 366 00:18:47,592 --> 00:18:48,890 She was a very good friend. 367 00:18:49,528 --> 00:18:50,654 When Nicole came into my life at... 368 00:18:50,929 --> 00:18:53,420 what for any athlete is very difficult time, 369 00:18:53,532 --> 00:18:54,556 it was at the end of my career, 370 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:57,494 I was also going through a divorce at the time and, uh... 371 00:18:57,735 --> 00:19:00,034 All my life, I wanted to be a father. 372 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:02,668 I never really thought about being a husband. 373 00:19:03,108 --> 00:19:04,598 And I thought I had given up... 374 00:19:05,476 --> 00:19:07,775 the opportunity to watch my kids grow 375 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,440 until you came into my life and made this house a home, 376 00:19:10,882 --> 00:19:11,850 brought my kids in. 377 00:19:12,217 --> 00:19:13,844 You brought love into my house. 378 00:19:13,918 --> 00:19:15,476 (Cheering) 379 00:19:19,858 --> 00:19:21,654 He was really proud of her. 380 00:19:22,027 --> 00:19:25,428 And she had definitely taken over. 381 00:19:25,531 --> 00:19:27,726 I mean, she was running the show at Rockingham. 382 00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:32,159 Rockingham, it was his Graceland. 383 00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:34,697 It was all of their Graceland. 384 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,831 We never said, "I'll meet you at O.J.'s house." 385 00:19:36,942 --> 00:19:38,603 It was always, "I'll see you at Rockingham." 386 00:19:39,043 --> 00:19:40,944 It was what brought all of us together. 387 00:19:42,948 --> 00:19:44,471 It was a special place. 388 00:19:44,716 --> 00:19:46,513 I mean, you never knew who was gonna be there. 389 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:50,455 He gravitated toward celebrities. 390 00:19:50,956 --> 00:19:51,980 In any field. 391 00:19:52,591 --> 00:19:55,924 And that's the glue that bonded him to Los Angeles, 392 00:19:56,094 --> 00:19:59,063 and also made Rockingham that castle. 393 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:03,100 You'd have the greatest athletes in the world show up. 394 00:20:03,802 --> 00:20:05,770 The most interesting politicians, you know? 395 00:20:05,971 --> 00:20:07,063 The entertainment world. 396 00:20:07,672 --> 00:20:09,698 And everybody always had a wonderful time 397 00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:11,001 because it was "The Juice". 398 00:20:12,277 --> 00:20:15,507 I've always had a large what I call "family"... 399 00:20:15,647 --> 00:20:16,909 A large circle of friends, 400 00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:19,516 and you need 'em more, I guess, in your life. 401 00:20:19,751 --> 00:20:22,242 At my house, I mean, I have to be successful 402 00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:24,681 to pay for the soft drinks and the beer 403 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:26,849 that the guys drink at the house on the weekends. 404 00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:33,123 He flew a flag at Rockingham every day. 405 00:20:33,864 --> 00:20:36,129 He loved America. He loved the red, white, and blue. 406 00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:39,264 He loved that feeling that you get, you know, on the Fourth of July, 407 00:20:39,705 --> 00:20:41,036 and seejets fly over. 408 00:20:41,607 --> 00:20:43,632 During the Olympics, when he carried the torch. 409 00:20:43,742 --> 00:20:45,232 That was a big thing to him. 410 00:20:46,043 --> 00:20:49,810 That was one of the things we talked about for years after. 411 00:20:50,815 --> 00:20:52,976 How perfect the world was then. 412 00:21:05,772 --> 00:21:07,069 I want to say to, uh... 413 00:21:07,707 --> 00:21:08,902 the Hall of Fame members here, 414 00:21:09,009 --> 00:21:11,068 I mean, as a kid, I watched these guys 415 00:21:11,178 --> 00:21:13,270 and, well, I must have done something good 416 00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:15,741 or something right to be here, and I just want you to know 417 00:21:15,849 --> 00:21:17,645 that I'll never let you guys down, man. 418 00:21:17,884 --> 00:21:19,680 I'll live up to the honor of being in this Hall 419 00:21:19,786 --> 00:21:20,774 and being on your team. 420 00:21:20,886 --> 00:21:22,787 (Applause) 421 00:21:23,055 --> 00:21:24,045 Thank you very much. 422 00:21:24,224 --> 00:21:25,816 (Applause) 423 00:21:28,127 --> 00:21:30,289 The most unique aspect of O.J. Simpson 424 00:21:30,664 --> 00:21:31,961 is that you're one of the few people 425 00:21:32,032 --> 00:21:34,660 who've not only been successful in athletics, 426 00:21:34,935 --> 00:21:38,200 but that success has really carried over to life afterfootball. 427 00:21:39,740 --> 00:21:41,640 (Crowd cheering) 428 00:21:42,209 --> 00:21:44,073 Well, it's real exciting for me to be back here. 429 00:21:44,176 --> 00:21:46,008 You know, on the field where I had so many thrills, 430 00:21:46,145 --> 00:21:48,808 and to experience these Buffalo Bills fans, 431 00:21:48,915 --> 00:21:51,109 and, believe me, Howard, they're in rare form tonight. 432 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:54,981 Well, he certainly tried to be a commentator. 433 00:21:55,322 --> 00:21:57,290 Peyton following Matt Suhey. 434 00:21:57,823 --> 00:22:01,624 It's a testament to walk... walter's conditioning. 435 00:22:01,728 --> 00:22:03,127 This guy works out harder than anybody in... 436 00:22:05,666 --> 00:22:09,830 He very much was involved in corporate America 437 00:22:10,002 --> 00:22:11,903 and being on boards. 438 00:22:12,639 --> 00:22:16,131 I think he was trying, very intelligently, 439 00:22:16,276 --> 00:22:19,712 to parley his fame into wealth. 440 00:22:21,782 --> 00:22:24,716 By the '80s, O.J. Really was a businessman. 441 00:22:26,819 --> 00:22:29,846 His newfriends were all super wealthy, 442 00:22:30,290 --> 00:22:32,224 powerful white men. 443 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,058 And I think really the reason he surrounded himself 444 00:22:36,163 --> 00:22:38,723 with all these big, successful entrepreneurs 445 00:22:38,832 --> 00:22:40,765 is because he saw himself as one, too. 446 00:22:43,337 --> 00:22:46,033 I've always been, sort of, an inquisitive person. 447 00:22:46,372 --> 00:22:48,636 And I have friends who do a lot of different things. 448 00:22:48,809 --> 00:22:51,607 And I've made it a point to find out what the people 449 00:22:51,712 --> 00:22:52,679 around me were doing. 450 00:22:55,314 --> 00:22:56,839 He called me a lot. 451 00:22:57,117 --> 00:23:01,178 "Now, Frank, I have this opportunity for HoneyBaked Hams." 452 00:23:01,921 --> 00:23:05,221 Or "Frank, this friend of mine is doing some storage things 453 00:23:05,325 --> 00:23:06,622 in California." 454 00:23:07,194 --> 00:23:09,252 I didn't always know those answers. 455 00:23:09,663 --> 00:23:11,153 But I guess I enjoyed the fact 456 00:23:11,264 --> 00:23:13,289 that he trusted me enough to do that. 457 00:23:15,435 --> 00:23:18,301 I introduced him to the business world. 458 00:23:23,410 --> 00:23:24,843 I took him places... 459 00:23:25,245 --> 00:23:28,112 where I think very few Black men had ever been. 460 00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:30,776 The Pine Valley Golf Club. 461 00:23:31,852 --> 00:23:33,911 The number one club in America. 462 00:23:37,157 --> 00:23:38,852 I got him into Arcola. 463 00:23:39,225 --> 00:23:41,126 He was the first black member of the club. 464 00:23:41,361 --> 00:23:43,795 Oh, yeah, by a long shot. 465 00:23:44,331 --> 00:23:46,697 This one time, he brought Sidney Poitier. 466 00:23:47,033 --> 00:23:50,901 And, of course, the whole club was circling around the two of them. 467 00:23:51,837 --> 00:23:55,238 Even the bigots thought that was terrific. 468 00:23:56,309 --> 00:23:57,139 They loved him. 469 00:23:58,044 --> 00:23:59,408 Because hejust fit in. 470 00:24:01,448 --> 00:24:04,144 He could schmooze around and get ingratiated, 471 00:24:04,251 --> 00:24:05,149 'cause he was "The Juice". 472 00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:08,947 Street-smart, this man was an Einstein. 473 00:24:09,790 --> 00:24:14,283 He could cunningly and calculatingly figure out exactly 474 00:24:14,394 --> 00:24:16,953 what these white people were thinking about, 475 00:24:17,096 --> 00:24:18,962 but he was also that way with Black people. 476 00:24:19,399 --> 00:24:23,165 It was almost magnetic, they were just drawn to it. 477 00:24:23,937 --> 00:24:24,995 And I don't care who was there, 478 00:24:25,205 --> 00:24:26,934 when he got to the room, it was, "The Juice is here." 479 00:24:28,241 --> 00:24:31,039 Here's the man whose smile is more dazzling 480 00:24:31,144 --> 00:24:32,805 than all his golden awards. 481 00:24:33,180 --> 00:24:36,911 Sportsman, actor, all around wonderful 482 00:24:37,017 --> 00:24:39,178 Mr. O.J. Simpson! 483 00:24:39,252 --> 00:24:40,913 (Applause) 484 00:24:41,221 --> 00:24:43,712 I always told him he had delusions of grandeur. 485 00:24:44,224 --> 00:24:46,488 He thought he could do certain things in business 486 00:24:46,859 --> 00:24:48,191 that he wasn't capable of. 487 00:24:48,328 --> 00:24:49,192 AUDIENCE: Three! 488 00:24:49,763 --> 00:24:52,493 One day he was gonna run Paramount or 20th Century, 489 00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,033 warner Brothers... 490 00:24:54,835 --> 00:24:56,325 Now, I mean, he believed things like that. 491 00:24:56,903 --> 00:24:59,167 Ladies and gentlemen, another winning performance 492 00:24:59,238 --> 00:25:01,502 from Mr. O.J. Simpson! 493 00:25:02,843 --> 00:25:04,037 There's something deep-seated... 494 00:25:04,211 --> 00:25:06,202 that I think a lot of people like myself 495 00:25:06,346 --> 00:25:09,144 have to face up to about what created 496 00:25:09,249 --> 00:25:10,773 this complex character. 497 00:25:11,017 --> 00:25:13,850 It wasn'tjust him, it was part society. 498 00:25:13,953 --> 00:25:16,980 (The Naked Gun theme plays) (Siren wailing) 499 00:25:19,024 --> 00:25:20,356 We were looking for a celebrity... 500 00:25:21,161 --> 00:25:24,426 and I... I don't think we wanted an all-white cast anymore, 501 00:25:24,997 --> 00:25:27,523 as we did forthe Police Squad TV show. 502 00:25:29,301 --> 00:25:32,395 This was something that, you know, kinda looked better... 503 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:33,430 for us. 504 00:25:36,276 --> 00:25:39,837 He was still in the public eye, but yet he was economical, 505 00:25:39,946 --> 00:25:42,380 because I don't think he was in demand for movies. 506 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,948 Police! Throw down your guns! 507 00:25:45,218 --> 00:25:47,379 O.J. Was fine for Naked Gun. 508 00:25:48,188 --> 00:25:49,519 There was nobody better. 509 00:25:49,923 --> 00:25:51,049 (Gunfire) 510 00:25:52,959 --> 00:25:53,823 (Groans) 511 00:25:55,495 --> 00:25:57,053 - (Sizzles) - Ahh! 512 00:25:59,332 --> 00:26:00,230 Oh, no! 513 00:26:02,002 --> 00:26:04,232 Naked Gun surprised me... 514 00:26:04,304 --> 00:26:05,999 (Screams) 515 00:26:06,273 --> 00:26:07,569 How funny he was. 516 00:26:08,308 --> 00:26:09,240 He's a funny man. 517 00:26:09,309 --> 00:26:11,834 I mean, he was always a very funny man. 518 00:26:12,312 --> 00:26:14,837 And he was always a selflessly funny man. 519 00:26:15,115 --> 00:26:16,810 - Nordberg! - Hiya, buddy! 520 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:17,575 Hey! 521 00:26:17,884 --> 00:26:20,148 The doc says I should be on my feet and as good as new in a week! 522 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:23,450 - And back on the force. - Nordberg, that's wonderful! 523 00:26:24,957 --> 00:26:25,856 Whoa! 524 00:26:26,026 --> 00:26:28,823 Oh, Frank! Everyone should have a friend like you! 525 00:26:28,929 --> 00:26:30,328 (Nordberg screams) 526 00:26:31,363 --> 00:26:33,957 ("I'm Into Something Good" plays) 527 00:26:34,234 --> 00:26:36,566 I used to take a lot of cops overto O.J.'s house, 528 00:26:36,937 --> 00:26:39,564 and I would never tell them who we were going to meet. 529 00:26:40,439 --> 00:26:43,203 And I just loved looking at the expression 530 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:45,005 on my partner's face 531 00:26:45,345 --> 00:26:47,836 when they looked and saw O.J. Opening the door, 532 00:26:48,014 --> 00:26:49,379 and it was just like looking at... 533 00:26:49,482 --> 00:26:51,609 You know, 'cause some of these guys, you know, macho cops. 534 00:26:51,917 --> 00:26:53,852 "Hey," you know, "I'm LAPD". 535 00:26:54,287 --> 00:26:59,156 And you could see them melt like little kids around this guy. 536 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,420 Everybody loved O.J. Simpson, all the cops. 537 00:27:03,997 --> 00:27:06,261 If you asked him for an autograph, you asked him for whatever, 538 00:27:06,366 --> 00:27:09,028 I mean, he was just really, like, your best friend. 539 00:27:13,439 --> 00:27:15,340 Now, let's take a look at today's black culture 540 00:27:15,408 --> 00:27:16,636 in the city of Los Angeles. 541 00:27:17,911 --> 00:27:20,072 The most important point that should be considered 542 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:22,238 in a law-enforcement setting involving blacks 543 00:27:22,349 --> 00:27:24,510 is the matter of respect. 544 00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:27,546 Everyone should be treated in a respectful manner. 545 00:27:28,054 --> 00:27:30,352 Okay, 4-23, you see that, uh, male black. 546 00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:31,957 He's walking on the north side of the street there 547 00:27:32,058 --> 00:27:32,888 on your right side. 548 00:27:32,993 --> 00:27:34,426 Slow down. That's one of the suspects there. 549 00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:37,654 (Police radio chatter) 550 00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:40,626 People who have been abused by the police 551 00:27:40,934 --> 00:27:42,367 have no regard forthem. 552 00:27:43,169 --> 00:27:45,330 They don't believe that the police comes 553 00:27:45,404 --> 00:27:48,169 to protect them, comes to serve them. 554 00:27:48,675 --> 00:27:50,666 That would be an unfortunate error in judgment 555 00:27:50,977 --> 00:27:53,537 for you to conclude that all persons of a particular group 556 00:27:53,947 --> 00:27:57,314 are similarto the few you have contact while you are working. 557 00:27:57,484 --> 00:27:59,917 We're sorry if, you know, it's ourjob too. 558 00:28:00,020 --> 00:28:01,578 That... that we've had to do this. 559 00:28:02,188 --> 00:28:03,348 We just can't let you go. 560 00:28:04,357 --> 00:28:05,289 Look how I look. 561 00:28:05,425 --> 00:28:09,384 I'm light, bright, but damn sure not white. Okay? 562 00:28:09,496 --> 00:28:12,465 But the reality is, when I'm stopped by the police, 563 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:14,666 you know, they treat me like a nigger. 564 00:28:15,635 --> 00:28:19,594 Okay, let's roll, and let's be careful out there. 565 00:28:20,173 --> 00:28:24,075 In 1978, Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates apologized 566 00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:27,577 after saying some Hispanic officers don't advance in the ranks 567 00:28:27,714 --> 00:28:29,305 because they are, quote, "lazy", 568 00:28:29,749 --> 00:28:32,183 and now an NAACP official 569 00:28:32,352 --> 00:28:34,046 is calling a comment by Chief Gates, 570 00:28:34,154 --> 00:28:36,452 quote, "so horrendous that it's laughable." 571 00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:39,189 It all started when he first defended 572 00:28:39,292 --> 00:28:40,987 controversial choke holds. 573 00:28:42,295 --> 00:28:44,421 A number of African-American suspects had died 574 00:28:44,531 --> 00:28:46,499 after being subjected to a choke hold, 575 00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:49,228 and Gates was asked about it, and he said the problem was 576 00:28:49,335 --> 00:28:51,234 that they didn't respond the same as normal people. 577 00:28:52,072 --> 00:28:55,371 The chief needs some time off to remove his foot from his mouth 578 00:28:56,009 --> 00:28:58,738 and LAPD's choke hold from the necks of black people. 579 00:28:59,746 --> 00:29:01,475 When I started covering the police department, 580 00:29:01,747 --> 00:29:04,716 you could feel the residue of that comment. 581 00:29:05,484 --> 00:29:07,475 In fact, police officers used to refer to the cars, 582 00:29:07,587 --> 00:29:09,578 which normally people would call black-and-whites, 583 00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:11,221 they called them "black-and-normals". 584 00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:14,555 And they would call them that in front of a reporter, by the way. 585 00:29:15,194 --> 00:29:18,096 So it's safe to say that it was a sort of easy, 586 00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:20,289 call it racial insensitivity, call it racism, 587 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:21,367 within the department. 588 00:29:23,236 --> 00:29:27,366 I moved to LA in 1988. 589 00:29:28,341 --> 00:29:31,674 I had a really good friend who lived there, and she said, 590 00:29:32,078 --> 00:29:35,241 "I have to give you the black man's guide to survival in LA. 591 00:29:35,615 --> 00:29:38,515 Whatever you do, don't fuck with LAPD." 592 00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:38,984 (Police dispatch chatter) 593 00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:41,180 (Police dispatch chatter) 594 00:29:42,288 --> 00:29:45,416 In Los Angeles it was a day filled with tension in many communities, 595 00:29:45,558 --> 00:29:48,026 because of the current wave of gang warfare. 596 00:29:48,161 --> 00:29:49,594 I feel like a prisoner on the streets. 597 00:29:50,063 --> 00:29:52,429 This city has vowed to stop gang violence, 598 00:29:52,532 --> 00:29:54,658 but as police hunt the people responsible, 599 00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:56,692 they must follow a trail of bodies. 600 00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:58,703 We're gonna do whatever's necessary, 601 00:29:59,238 --> 00:30:01,571 and I told my people we're gonna wage a war. 602 00:30:06,246 --> 00:30:07,337 Operation Hammer, 603 00:30:07,714 --> 00:30:12,174 that was the belief that we overwhelm the community 604 00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:16,379 with warrants where we believe that we had violent criminals, 605 00:30:16,555 --> 00:30:19,524 we could rid the problem. 606 00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:21,524 Ladies, down on the ground! 607 00:30:21,627 --> 00:30:23,528 Put your hands down, kneel overthere! 608 00:30:23,596 --> 00:30:25,587 Over the past week or so, Chief Gates, 609 00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:26,687 how many arrests have you made? 610 00:30:27,167 --> 00:30:31,160 Well, in the last month we've made, uh, about 3,000 arrests. 611 00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:34,240 Uh, just in the last weekend we made, uh, 1,400. 612 00:30:36,609 --> 00:30:41,603 Youjust have a culture of officers who felt that, 613 00:30:41,747 --> 00:30:43,841 uh, the only way the world will survive 614 00:30:44,417 --> 00:30:46,647 is if we neutralize these individuals 615 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,484 as soon as possible. 616 00:30:48,755 --> 00:30:49,653 Hands down, man. 617 00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:52,285 And in the process of doing that, 618 00:30:52,524 --> 00:30:54,755 they debased and demeaned the community. 619 00:30:59,698 --> 00:31:00,563 You understand me? 620 00:31:04,136 --> 00:31:06,264 There was no conversation with the community about 621 00:31:06,506 --> 00:31:08,201 "How should we deal with this?" 622 00:31:08,341 --> 00:31:11,276 It was just hammer, hammer, hammer. 623 00:31:14,613 --> 00:31:19,210 We have a war. We are going to be successful. 624 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,582 Whatever it takes, we will do it. 625 00:31:31,742 --> 00:31:34,540 I'd just put the kids into bed, and the next thing I know, 626 00:31:34,612 --> 00:31:36,477 they just came in with guns and they were saying, "Get down", 627 00:31:36,581 --> 00:31:38,172 and they grabbed me by the back of my head, 628 00:31:38,282 --> 00:31:39,270 and he threw me on the floor, 629 00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:41,711 then they kicked me, and they hit me on my back, 630 00:31:41,819 --> 00:31:43,149 and they said, "Get down, bitch." 631 00:31:43,487 --> 00:31:45,421 And then the kids were just hollerin' and screamin'. 632 00:31:45,523 --> 00:31:46,353 And the next thing I know 633 00:31:46,457 --> 00:31:47,719 they were just tearing the place up. 634 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:52,559 1988, 39th and Dalton. 635 00:32:00,904 --> 00:32:02,873 Not the best police practices. 636 00:32:03,241 --> 00:32:06,608 Not the best way to manage a, uh... a warrant service. 637 00:32:07,245 --> 00:32:09,475 Everything was destroyed as police 638 00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:11,672 batted and rammed their way from room to room 639 00:32:11,782 --> 00:32:13,215 searching for drugs. 640 00:32:13,484 --> 00:32:16,578 Much of what they found were screaming mothers and children. 641 00:32:17,922 --> 00:32:19,355 This is my bedroom over here, 642 00:32:19,724 --> 00:32:22,488 but they even broke all the mirrors and stuff out of the bed. 643 00:32:24,862 --> 00:32:27,888 They went in and literally destroyed the apartment 644 00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:32,430 where supposedly a lot of drug activity was going on. 645 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:36,670 All this resulted in three quarters of an ounce of rock cocaine seized 646 00:32:36,774 --> 00:32:38,742 along with six ounces of pot. 647 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:43,301 You wouldn't go to Beverly Hills and do that, 648 00:32:43,648 --> 00:32:45,912 even if you thought there was a... a mafia hangout. 649 00:32:48,219 --> 00:32:49,777 Even if you thought it was legitimate. 650 00:32:51,255 --> 00:32:54,349 I called my insurance, and I told them what happened. 651 00:32:54,558 --> 00:32:57,288 He said he had never heard of the police doing this. 652 00:32:58,895 --> 00:33:03,697 When you don't live in the community, you don't think of 'em as human. 653 00:33:04,868 --> 00:33:07,201 In my wildest dreams, would have neverthought 654 00:33:07,305 --> 00:33:10,706 the police of the city of Los Angeles would treat someone that way. 655 00:33:10,908 --> 00:33:12,375 They started kicking me. 656 00:33:14,345 --> 00:33:15,209 What they tell ya? 657 00:33:15,645 --> 00:33:16,475 They didn't tell me nothin', 658 00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:17,808 they started kicking me and hitting me 659 00:33:17,915 --> 00:33:18,973 on my ribs and stuff. 660 00:33:20,017 --> 00:33:24,215 Chief Gates, we're proud of you, we're proud to wearthe 'PD blue. 661 00:33:24,322 --> 00:33:25,550 (Applause) 662 00:33:26,524 --> 00:33:29,220 You'd go to the power of LAPD back then. 663 00:33:29,727 --> 00:33:32,958 They pretty much could do what they wanted to do. 664 00:33:48,041 --> 00:33:48,905 Yeah. 665 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,557 Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson, and this season on HBO, 666 00:33:53,649 --> 00:33:55,878 I'm gonna be high-stepping right into your living room. 667 00:33:57,351 --> 00:33:58,580 All right, we'll do it again. 668 00:33:59,988 --> 00:34:01,114 When O.J. Was at SC, 669 00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:04,224 in my generation you didn't have thejerseys you could go buy, 670 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:07,020 so I would take my T-shirts and write "Simpson", 671 00:34:07,229 --> 00:34:08,696 and I'd put, you know, 672 00:34:08,797 --> 00:34:12,198 like, you know, his number, 32, and, "Okay, I'm O.J." 673 00:34:12,668 --> 00:34:15,159 Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson, and this season on HBO, 674 00:34:15,337 --> 00:34:17,237 I'm gonna be high-stepping right into your living room. 675 00:34:17,672 --> 00:34:19,833 I just thought, "One day, I wanna meet this guy." 676 00:34:19,974 --> 00:34:21,135 Okay, what's the next one? 677 00:34:22,110 --> 00:34:23,737 And it was through Marcus Allen. 678 00:34:24,045 --> 00:34:26,344 Follow me through Training Camp, and I guarantee that I'll- 679 00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:28,114 Hey, Juice, I did hear my name. 680 00:34:28,215 --> 00:34:29,842 Hey, man, this is my spot, Marcus. 681 00:34:29,951 --> 00:34:31,043 Well, I've got the ball now. 682 00:34:31,887 --> 00:34:35,014 I'd been marketing Marcus for a few years. 683 00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:36,318 And I told him, uh, 684 00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:39,321 "O.J. Ever needs a manager, let me know." 685 00:34:39,628 --> 00:34:41,686 Training Camp is a time to show what you can do. 686 00:34:42,331 --> 00:34:44,355 It's a time to show off your skills. 687 00:34:45,801 --> 00:34:47,735 You can prove yourself as a man. 688 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:49,261 Blah, blah, blah. 689 00:34:49,404 --> 00:34:51,804 I did public appearances, endorsements, 690 00:34:51,907 --> 00:34:52,770 - TV commercials... - (Clears throat) 691 00:34:53,007 --> 00:34:54,202 ...autograph signings, 692 00:34:54,309 --> 00:34:57,608 basically everything encompassing his image. 693 00:34:58,112 --> 00:34:59,705 This week in Training Camp... 694 00:35:00,715 --> 00:35:02,239 This week in Training Camp... 695 00:35:03,752 --> 00:35:06,152 This week in Training Camp... No. 696 00:35:06,721 --> 00:35:10,089 The big thing that has always been in everybody's head is image. 697 00:35:10,257 --> 00:35:11,246 Image is everything. 698 00:35:12,127 --> 00:35:16,757 Never do anything that is going to harm his image. 699 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:19,288 Thank you guys. 700 00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:20,230 I remember he had a... 701 00:35:20,402 --> 00:35:23,337 a little hundred-yard dash with Marcus Allen one day. 702 00:35:24,105 --> 00:35:26,904 And he had bad knees, O.J., from all the running. 703 00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:29,703 And he beat fuckin' Marcus. I couldn't believe it. 704 00:35:29,811 --> 00:35:31,038 It's something inside of him. 705 00:35:31,913 --> 00:35:34,143 He wanted to win, no matter what it took. 706 00:35:35,117 --> 00:35:37,846 Chopping through that swing. And look out. 707 00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:39,212 (Applause) 708 00:35:39,855 --> 00:35:43,757 When he first started playing golf, he violated every rule. 709 00:35:45,060 --> 00:35:47,721 Okay. He's gotta work on his balance a little bit. 710 00:35:47,828 --> 00:35:50,059 I played with O.J. And this otherfriend, 711 00:35:50,165 --> 00:35:51,928 Little Joe Kolkowitz. 712 00:35:53,301 --> 00:35:56,702 O.J. Had the worst form of anybody on this planet 713 00:35:56,805 --> 00:35:58,067 when he swung a golf club. 714 00:36:00,275 --> 00:36:04,041 One day, on the first tee, he hits this big drive, 715 00:36:04,813 --> 00:36:07,407 and it hooks into the trees, heavy stuff. 716 00:36:08,884 --> 00:36:11,409 So we go down the fairway, we're waiting and waiting 717 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,913 'til Joe goes after him. 718 00:36:13,355 --> 00:36:15,255 All of a sudden, he finds his ball 719 00:36:15,457 --> 00:36:17,721 after a place where we probably went over. 720 00:36:20,162 --> 00:36:24,326 He sees the ball sitting on a tee, and he says to O.J., 721 00:36:24,733 --> 00:36:25,893 "You can't do this shit, man." 722 00:36:27,269 --> 00:36:28,702 I go, "Juice, come on." 723 00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:32,801 "Do you know what the odds of the ball landing on a tee 724 00:36:33,175 --> 00:36:34,699 in this area...?" 725 00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:38,846 He totally was not going to confess to the whole thing. 726 00:36:40,215 --> 00:36:41,978 He definitely cheated. 727 00:36:42,517 --> 00:36:43,916 Yes. Yes. 728 00:36:45,787 --> 00:36:48,278 What he'd do, he had a ball in his pants, 729 00:36:48,857 --> 00:36:50,188 and he'd drop it out and then, 730 00:36:50,292 --> 00:36:51,384 "Hey, you guys, come on over here." 731 00:36:51,526 --> 00:36:53,016 You know, "Here's my ball." 732 00:36:54,328 --> 00:36:56,194 And he did that to the point where finally 733 00:36:56,264 --> 00:36:59,131 a bunch of guys got together, and they hired a caddy. 734 00:37:00,268 --> 00:37:01,962 We called it The Juice Patrol. 735 00:37:03,337 --> 00:37:05,863 And so he'd follow O.J. Around in another cart, 736 00:37:05,974 --> 00:37:07,498 (Laughs) So he wouldn't cheat. 737 00:37:08,276 --> 00:37:11,336 It was funny. It was, you know, it was like you couldn't get mad. 738 00:37:11,779 --> 00:37:13,407 It was very hard to get mad at him. 739 00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:19,882 One of the things you pride yourself in in being a golfer 740 00:37:19,988 --> 00:37:21,114 is you don't cheat, 741 00:37:22,524 --> 00:37:25,118 but people made a joke out of it, 742 00:37:25,227 --> 00:37:28,424 because they so badly wanted him to understand 743 00:37:28,563 --> 00:37:31,225 the rules and regulations of this part of society 744 00:37:31,433 --> 00:37:33,765 that didn't tolerate that type of behavior. 745 00:37:34,102 --> 00:37:36,332 And yet he had that amazing charm 746 00:37:37,105 --> 00:37:40,165 that you'd somehow let him get away with certain things. 747 00:37:42,143 --> 00:37:44,111 - (Applause) - Juice! Juice! 748 00:37:44,546 --> 00:37:46,138 Juice! Juice! 749 00:37:47,816 --> 00:37:48,407 Touchdown! 750 00:37:48,583 --> 00:37:50,413 Wheneveryou went somewhere with him, 751 00:37:50,552 --> 00:37:52,042 like, doors would just open, 752 00:37:52,153 --> 00:37:55,087 and, you know, people would pick up checks. 753 00:37:56,258 --> 00:37:57,555 I'd say to him, "Hey, Juice, 754 00:37:58,193 --> 00:38:00,422 how are we going to get in... somewhere? 755 00:38:00,862 --> 00:38:01,851 We don't have any tickets." 756 00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:03,255 He would go like this... 757 00:38:05,467 --> 00:38:07,264 He- That's his ticket. 758 00:38:07,569 --> 00:38:09,901 I think he became entitled. 759 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,275 I certainly felt bedazzled by O.J. And Nicole and their lifestyle, 760 00:38:17,445 --> 00:38:20,175 and I was very charmed by him, 761 00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:27,183 but I always did sense that part of it was not sincere. 762 00:38:27,622 --> 00:38:29,852 The other side is my better side, I think. 763 00:38:29,958 --> 00:38:30,822 Turn the other side for me. 764 00:38:31,092 --> 00:38:33,993 And I did feel that he took advantage of that. 765 00:38:34,496 --> 00:38:39,957 And if you allowed him to, I think he would, uh, use you. 766 00:38:40,135 --> 00:38:40,965 All right, we're set here. 767 00:38:42,103 --> 00:38:43,593 My kissable lips, ooh. 768 00:38:44,105 --> 00:38:47,006 While he was married, his integrity was... 769 00:38:47,142 --> 00:38:51,511 I mean, uh... not as I would have it. 770 00:38:51,645 --> 00:38:52,908 I will put it that way. 771 00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:57,278 He was an incorrigible womanizer. 772 00:38:58,053 --> 00:38:59,212 He just never stopped. 773 00:39:00,889 --> 00:39:04,086 He cornered me a couple times and tried to make, uh, 774 00:39:04,392 --> 00:39:09,523 sexual, you know, advance and, you know, I kind of pushed him off. 775 00:39:11,232 --> 00:39:15,532 I think O.J. Felt entitled to anything O.J. Wanted, 776 00:39:17,038 --> 00:39:21,168 and I think that he really needed that adulation from other women. 777 00:39:23,378 --> 00:39:26,279 She knew he had affairs, and it drove her crazy. 778 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,038 Most of their big fights 779 00:39:28,149 --> 00:39:30,117 were about his affairs with other women. 780 00:39:31,086 --> 00:39:34,988 He went out of his way to almost rub it in her face. 781 00:39:35,556 --> 00:39:38,526 He'd be in Las Vegas at a show and be holding hands 782 00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:40,150 with another woman. 783 00:39:40,595 --> 00:39:42,961 She would be watching TV, and, I mean, 784 00:39:43,331 --> 00:39:44,992 I don't know how she put up with it. 785 00:39:46,401 --> 00:39:48,096 He was pretty darn brazen. 786 00:39:49,203 --> 00:39:51,468 I think he even blamed his affair with Tawny Kitaen 787 00:39:51,573 --> 00:39:53,632 on the fact that Nicole got fat when she got pregnant. 788 00:39:54,409 --> 00:39:55,967 And he didn't wanna have sex with her. 789 00:39:56,177 --> 00:39:59,442 Something as superficial and cold as that. 790 00:40:00,415 --> 00:40:03,248 �... on the hammock, take a little swing. � 791 00:40:04,152 --> 00:40:06,017 Look! See the trees? 792 00:40:07,422 --> 00:40:10,949 I told him, "Man, you're breaking the laws of God, 793 00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:15,392 and nobody does it with immunity. 794 00:40:16,531 --> 00:40:18,123 You're gonna pay for it, man. 795 00:40:20,066 --> 00:40:24,127 One day everybody's gonna know everything that you've done, man." 796 00:40:52,332 --> 00:40:54,425 (Police siren) 797 00:40:56,937 --> 00:40:58,928 When you hear a call come out, 798 00:40:59,104 --> 00:41:02,597 and the 911 operator puts out on the call 799 00:41:03,076 --> 00:41:06,876 that she can hear the woman being beaten in the background, 800 00:41:07,881 --> 00:41:09,314 that... that's serious. 801 00:41:12,952 --> 00:41:14,318 When I got there, 802 00:41:14,621 --> 00:41:19,217 I saw an electronic buzzer system, so I pushed the button. 803 00:41:20,327 --> 00:41:24,024 Almost simultaneously, a tall, female blonde 804 00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:26,598 came running out of the bushes. 805 00:41:27,634 --> 00:41:31,434 She's wearing nothin' but a bra and sweatpants, 806 00:41:31,905 --> 00:41:32,872 covered in mud. 807 00:41:33,106 --> 00:41:34,004 And she kept yelling, 808 00:41:34,107 --> 00:41:35,506 "He's gonna kill me! He's gonna kill me!" 809 00:41:37,577 --> 00:41:39,272 When that gate opened, she ran up 810 00:41:39,379 --> 00:41:42,542 and just put her arms around me and clasped on me. 811 00:41:44,517 --> 00:41:46,610 She was so wet and cold 812 00:41:46,987 --> 00:41:49,353 that you could feel her shivering to her bone. 813 00:41:50,523 --> 00:41:52,457 And I said, "well, who's gonna kill you?" 814 00:41:53,126 --> 00:41:54,150 She said, "O.J." 815 00:41:55,394 --> 00:41:58,330 She says, "You guys have been up here eight times before. 816 00:41:58,565 --> 00:42:01,260 All you do is talk to him, you never do anything. 817 00:42:01,601 --> 00:42:03,193 He's gonna kill me." 818 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:06,166 Her face had already swollen. 819 00:42:06,539 --> 00:42:08,403 She actually had an imprint 820 00:42:08,575 --> 00:42:10,941 on one side of herface and her forehead. 821 00:42:11,478 --> 00:42:14,208 So I said, "Do you want him arrested for beating you?" 822 00:42:14,347 --> 00:42:15,371 She said, "Yes." 823 00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:21,018 About that time, O.J. Simpson came right up to the fence, 824 00:42:21,988 --> 00:42:23,455 and he started yelling, 825 00:42:24,257 --> 00:42:26,282 "I don't want her in my bed anymore. 826 00:42:26,493 --> 00:42:27,391 I got two other women. 827 00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:29,189 I don't want her in my bed anymore." 828 00:42:30,997 --> 00:42:33,465 He's got a receding hairline, so you can see his forehead, 829 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:37,695 and this vein was popping out, pulsating, 830 00:42:38,037 --> 00:42:40,028 and it was right up his forehead. 831 00:42:41,441 --> 00:42:45,104 I told him, "I'm placing you under arrest for beating your wife. 832 00:42:45,311 --> 00:42:48,678 You're gonna have to go get dressed so I can take you tojail." 833 00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:54,409 He turned around and went back in the house to get dressed. 834 00:42:55,755 --> 00:43:00,715 Suddenly I saw a Bentley pull out of the other driveway. 835 00:43:01,061 --> 00:43:01,686 (Cartires screech) 836 00:43:01,995 --> 00:43:04,327 So I said, "Back up. He's trying to get away in a car." 837 00:43:06,232 --> 00:43:10,430 And we backed out of the driveway, and I never caught him with that car. 838 00:43:10,503 --> 00:43:11,993 I never found him. 839 00:43:15,308 --> 00:43:16,366 (Marching band music) 840 00:43:16,476 --> 00:43:19,001 Downtown Los Angeles, little ocean haze. 841 00:43:19,144 --> 00:43:22,546 There is no smog today, everybody's takin'it easy. 842 00:43:22,649 --> 00:43:26,244 Here at the 75th Rose Bowl game, score 7-3. 843 00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:30,280 1989, Trojans were in the Rose Bowl. 844 00:43:30,423 --> 00:43:33,153 I was privileged enough to... to have sideline passes 845 00:43:33,426 --> 00:43:36,519 and that was actually the first time I'd ever been to a Rose Bowl game 846 00:43:36,629 --> 00:43:38,995 on the sidelines, 'cause when I was a walk-on at USC, 847 00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:39,724 I never got to play. 848 00:43:40,033 --> 00:43:41,762 (Crowd cheering) 849 00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:44,500 I was just having the time of my life. 850 00:43:45,338 --> 00:43:47,602 All of a sudden, one of O.J.'s really, really good friends 851 00:43:48,108 --> 00:43:49,473 came up and tapped me on the shoulder. 852 00:43:49,776 --> 00:43:53,439 He said, "Hey, man, uh, O.J. Had a problem last night, you know, 853 00:43:54,180 --> 00:43:57,479 and, uh, he really needs to talk to you." 854 00:43:57,617 --> 00:43:59,107 (Crowd cheers) 855 00:43:59,318 --> 00:44:00,411 (Referee whistle blows) 856 00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:01,384 It's over. 857 00:44:01,488 --> 00:44:03,115 (Crowd cheers) 858 00:44:05,358 --> 00:44:08,486 When I called, he said, "Hey, man, I had a little riff. 859 00:44:08,827 --> 00:44:10,193 Boys had to come out. 860 00:44:10,830 --> 00:44:12,525 Right now I feel like I'm a fugitive." 861 00:44:13,566 --> 00:44:15,760 And he explained to me that they had an argument, 862 00:44:16,568 --> 00:44:18,537 and she got real physical with him, 863 00:44:18,738 --> 00:44:21,468 and he had to defend himself and grab her and hold her... 864 00:44:21,808 --> 00:44:24,037 The way he- he told me the story, I'm thinkin', 865 00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:27,338 "Hey, man, no big deal. You know? Um, you didn't hit her. 866 00:44:27,447 --> 00:44:28,674 You know, you said she was aggressive, 867 00:44:28,815 --> 00:44:30,406 and you were trying to stop herfrom... 868 00:44:30,583 --> 00:44:34,245 from beating you up. Um, no big deal." 869 00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:37,412 And... And when I got to work the next morning, it was a big deal. 870 00:44:42,361 --> 00:44:45,627 I got a call from downstairs, "Someone wants to talk to you," 871 00:44:46,398 --> 00:44:48,526 and there's Nicole in the lobby. 872 00:44:49,468 --> 00:44:50,493 "Hey, Nicole, what's up?" 873 00:44:50,637 --> 00:44:52,537 You know, she... she goes, "Did you hear about what happened?" 874 00:44:52,604 --> 00:44:54,266 I said, "Yeah, I did hear what happened." 875 00:44:54,673 --> 00:44:56,642 And she told me it wasn't the first time. 876 00:44:58,477 --> 00:45:00,138 Showed me the pictures from the past... 877 00:45:00,446 --> 00:45:02,209 ...beatings, and I looked at those pictures 878 00:45:02,882 --> 00:45:05,373 and my heartjust... just, like, dropped. 879 00:45:06,585 --> 00:45:08,713 I was like, "Man, this guy is a typical batterer." 880 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:15,852 The '89 thing, the way I saw him act in Hawaii that Christmas 881 00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:17,388 convinced me that, um, 882 00:45:17,664 --> 00:45:20,224 boy, there was something really, really wrong. 883 00:45:22,902 --> 00:45:27,305 He freaked out about Nicole sitting their little son 884 00:45:27,574 --> 00:45:31,635 next to a homosexual in a restaurant they were at. 885 00:45:32,611 --> 00:45:33,704 I mean, hejust freaked. 886 00:45:35,181 --> 00:45:37,478 And they fought all the way back. 887 00:45:37,916 --> 00:45:42,786 The next day I got a call that, uh, he freaked out on New Year's Eve, 888 00:45:42,922 --> 00:45:43,718 and he beat the hell out of her. 889 00:45:45,691 --> 00:45:48,525 Nicole knew that I used to teach domestic violence 890 00:45:48,827 --> 00:45:49,760 for the Los Angeles Police Department. 891 00:45:50,729 --> 00:45:52,288 And she asked me, 892 00:45:53,298 --> 00:45:54,493 "O.J.'s dad is gay. 893 00:45:55,434 --> 00:45:59,370 Do you think this is why he beats me?" 894 00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:04,673 And I was like, "l... I, you know, I don't know, 895 00:46:05,812 --> 00:46:08,178 but a lot of that stuff has to do with their self-esteem." 896 00:46:12,951 --> 00:46:14,316 O.J. Simpson that night 897 00:46:15,254 --> 00:46:17,519 definitely got preferential treatment. 898 00:46:18,625 --> 00:46:22,618 Had that have been anybody else, you or me, we'd have gone tojail. 899 00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:27,427 I did place him under arrest. 900 00:46:28,234 --> 00:46:30,326 I tried my best, but couldn't get to him. 901 00:46:31,704 --> 00:46:33,695 But when you tell someone they're under arrest, 902 00:46:34,374 --> 00:46:35,739 they are under arrest. 903 00:46:36,643 --> 00:46:39,202 If he flees, then, he's a fleeing felon. 904 00:46:41,513 --> 00:46:45,950 But the unique thing about O.J. Is it was O.J. 905 00:46:46,886 --> 00:46:50,617 Where can he go? Where can he hide? 906 00:46:51,991 --> 00:46:53,458 Where can he run to... 907 00:46:54,693 --> 00:46:56,558 on the face of this earth? 908 00:46:57,964 --> 00:46:59,795 Where can he go? 909 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,799 (Police dispatch chatter) 910 00:47:14,379 --> 00:47:17,508 (Police sirens) 911 00:47:23,556 --> 00:47:25,352 (Helicopter blades) 912 00:47:43,977 --> 00:47:45,706 Nowthe story that might never have surfaced 913 00:47:45,878 --> 00:47:47,970 if someone hadn't picked up his home video camera. 914 00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:53,316 I can rememberthat moment like it was yesterday. 915 00:47:54,353 --> 00:47:56,754 I was laying in my bed, and I called out to my wife. 916 00:47:56,856 --> 00:47:59,324 I said, "You gotta come see, you can't believe this." 917 00:48:00,893 --> 00:48:04,727 How will the police justify this one? 918 00:48:05,598 --> 00:48:08,396 How will they get out of this one? 919 00:48:09,835 --> 00:48:12,771 Police say the man, 25-year-old Rodney King, 920 00:48:12,905 --> 00:48:16,705 was involved in a high-speed chase, wanted as a parole violator. 921 00:48:17,709 --> 00:48:19,836 The police department says there will be no comment 922 00:48:19,978 --> 00:48:21,809 until its investigation is complete. 923 00:48:21,914 --> 00:48:24,382 As yet, no charges have been filed. 924 00:48:26,052 --> 00:48:30,011 This is what happens when you take away a tool 925 00:48:30,389 --> 00:48:33,359 that would have ended this in 10 seconds. 926 00:48:33,583 --> 00:48:34,550 Choke hold. 927 00:48:39,588 --> 00:48:43,218 Look how this thing looks. You can't justify that. 928 00:48:47,462 --> 00:48:49,327 I was the captain at watts at the time. 929 00:48:49,432 --> 00:48:50,489 Atten-hut. 930 00:48:50,667 --> 00:48:52,601 The next day, we had a training day. 931 00:48:53,236 --> 00:48:57,229 I remember standing in front of all of the troops, and I told them, 932 00:48:58,308 --> 00:49:02,404 "The LAPD will never be the same again." 933 00:49:05,247 --> 00:49:06,578 Oh, it was devastating, 934 00:49:06,683 --> 00:49:09,652 because there's gonna be a belief that if these guys do it, 935 00:49:09,819 --> 00:49:10,877 everybody else does it. 936 00:49:11,186 --> 00:49:13,586 Those guys driving down the street in the black-and-white do that. 937 00:49:13,890 --> 00:49:15,585 And that's just not the case. 938 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,653 But that visual image, folks rememberthat, 939 00:49:19,762 --> 00:49:21,490 and they will take it to their grave. 940 00:49:21,898 --> 00:49:24,298 That home video showing a black motorist 941 00:49:24,399 --> 00:49:26,425 being beaten by a white Los Angeles policeman 942 00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:29,129 has triggered investigations now by the FBI, 943 00:49:29,238 --> 00:49:30,263 the district attorney there, 944 00:49:30,606 --> 00:49:31,766 and the police department itself. 945 00:49:32,175 --> 00:49:36,441 The media didn't give LAPD a break on this one. 946 00:49:36,945 --> 00:49:40,676 They showed that tape over and over and over. 947 00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:42,815 I mean, it wasn'tjust in Los Angeles. 948 00:49:42,952 --> 00:49:44,543 It was all overthe world. 949 00:49:44,754 --> 00:49:47,655 (French-language newscast) 950 00:49:47,824 --> 00:49:49,724 I was embarrassed for Los Angeles. 951 00:49:51,861 --> 00:49:55,489 The real significance wasn't what you saw on the tape. 952 00:49:55,932 --> 00:49:58,195 That tape became exhibit one 953 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,360 for every mishandled abuse and excessive force incident 954 00:50:02,738 --> 00:50:04,639 that anyone had ever experienced. 955 00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:06,230 This is an aberration. 956 00:50:06,476 --> 00:50:08,341 This is something that should never have happened. 957 00:50:08,645 --> 00:50:11,374 We had in place all of the procedures 958 00:50:11,814 --> 00:50:13,542 that would keep it from happening. 959 00:50:13,983 --> 00:50:16,712 Those procedures fell down because of human error. 960 00:50:17,319 --> 00:50:19,185 And we will deal with that human error. 961 00:50:19,889 --> 00:50:23,655 I believe things like that do happen from time to time, 962 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,291 but they are anomalies. 963 00:50:25,461 --> 00:50:27,792 That's not what happens all day, every day 964 00:50:27,963 --> 00:50:29,932 in the thousands of contacts that occur. 965 00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:32,327 I don't believe it. I'll never believe it. 966 00:50:32,668 --> 00:50:35,661 Daryl Gates started out saying it was an aberration. 967 00:50:37,273 --> 00:50:41,436 And we say, "Darryl, don't you remember Eulia Love?" 968 00:50:41,611 --> 00:50:43,442 (Cheering) 969 00:50:43,646 --> 00:50:46,739 I think the thing that's most shocking about the King incident 970 00:50:46,882 --> 00:50:48,510 isn't even what happens to King. 971 00:50:49,685 --> 00:50:51,483 It's the fact that all those officers 972 00:50:51,621 --> 00:50:53,680 go back to their police divisions that night, 973 00:50:54,356 --> 00:50:56,881 none of them knowing that a video tape exists. 974 00:50:57,260 --> 00:50:58,693 They all file their reports 975 00:50:59,395 --> 00:51:02,228 and not one of 'em says, in any document, 976 00:51:02,665 --> 00:51:04,394 that they saw anything go wrong. 977 00:51:05,568 --> 00:51:08,400 That suggests to me a culture in which 978 00:51:08,638 --> 00:51:11,368 this wasn't perceived as something wrong. 979 00:51:13,042 --> 00:51:14,475 In Los Angeles today, 980 00:51:14,610 --> 00:51:17,443 four men were arrested, photographed, and fingerprinted. 981 00:51:17,613 --> 00:51:18,511 They were policemen, 982 00:51:18,747 --> 00:51:20,648 charged with assault with a deadly weapon 983 00:51:20,749 --> 00:51:22,718 in the beating of a black motorist. 984 00:51:22,852 --> 00:51:23,876 Named in the indictment: 985 00:51:24,020 --> 00:51:26,352 Officers Laurence Powell, Ted Briseno 986 00:51:26,488 --> 00:51:27,353 and Timothy wind 987 00:51:27,557 --> 00:51:30,024 and their supervising sergeant, Stacey Koon. 988 00:51:30,493 --> 00:51:33,792 The FBI will investigate whetherthe federal civil rights 989 00:51:33,962 --> 00:51:36,363 of the victim, Rodney King, have been violated. 990 00:51:37,333 --> 00:51:39,426 A story is not a story unless there's conflict. 991 00:51:39,935 --> 00:51:42,301 Do you really wanna say this is a felon 992 00:51:42,405 --> 00:51:44,338 speeding on the freeway underthe influence 993 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,305 of a hallucinogenic and or alcohol, 994 00:51:46,673 --> 00:51:48,368 or do you wanna say he's a "motorist", 995 00:51:48,511 --> 00:51:50,740 and he was stopped by these racist cops? 996 00:51:50,813 --> 00:51:51,905 How do you knowthese cops are racist? 997 00:51:52,915 --> 00:51:54,381 They are not racist. 998 00:51:55,417 --> 00:51:58,046 The furor is only growing with the revelations 999 00:51:58,354 --> 00:52:01,414 of police communications over their in-car computer terminals. 1000 00:52:01,724 --> 00:52:04,022 An earlier message from the Powell-Wind unit 1001 00:52:04,327 --> 00:52:07,626 referred to a previous call as "'right out of Gorillas in the Mist." 1002 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:11,281 Has there been times that we've been brutal, 1003 00:52:11,702 --> 00:52:13,431 uh, used excessive force? 1004 00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:14,660 Absolutely. 1005 00:52:16,473 --> 00:52:19,840 The racist part is really tough to choke down for me. 1006 00:52:20,578 --> 00:52:23,445 During my 38 years there, I didn't see it. 1007 00:52:23,813 --> 00:52:27,214 Civil rights organizations say the Los Angeles police department 1008 00:52:27,318 --> 00:52:29,650 has a history of brutality and misconduct 1009 00:52:29,754 --> 00:52:31,654 that goes back a quarter of a century, 1010 00:52:32,322 --> 00:52:34,688 including one incident that sparked the watts riots. 1011 00:52:35,226 --> 00:52:39,629 We want effective law-enforcement in the city of Los Angeles. 1012 00:52:39,864 --> 00:52:42,264 You take an oath to protect and serve, 1013 00:52:42,433 --> 00:52:43,730 but when you come to the black community, 1014 00:52:43,901 --> 00:52:45,835 all you do is abuse! 1015 00:52:46,570 --> 00:52:47,935 Hey, hey! Ho, ho! 1016 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,572 You can only take so many shots publicly before your reputation 1017 00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:57,510 is so soiled that it can be manipulated over and over again. 1018 00:52:58,883 --> 00:53:02,444 That will always be included in the argument to demonstrate 1019 00:53:02,687 --> 00:53:06,817 how brutal and insensitive and racist the LAPD is. 1020 00:53:07,692 --> 00:53:09,853 It's like you can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. 1021 00:53:11,262 --> 00:53:14,856 We're outraged, we're disgusted, and let's close this one with, 1022 00:53:15,032 --> 00:53:20,367 No more! No more! No more! No more! No more! No more! 1023 00:53:42,889 --> 00:53:49,054 It comes to Latasha Harlins, coming to the counter 1024 00:53:49,763 --> 00:53:52,630 with what she was going to buy in one hand, 1025 00:53:52,799 --> 00:53:54,766 money in the other. 1026 00:53:58,070 --> 00:53:59,697 Altercation, 1027 00:54:04,143 --> 00:54:05,873 walks away, 1028 00:54:07,179 --> 00:54:10,205 is shot in the back of the head. 1029 00:54:14,521 --> 00:54:16,716 Latasha Harlins really hit home, 1030 00:54:16,856 --> 00:54:19,086 because my daughter was the same age as Latasha Harlins. 1031 00:54:22,896 --> 00:54:25,990 Rodney King didn't touch me as much as Latasha Harlins, 1032 00:54:26,132 --> 00:54:27,793 because this girl was killed. 1033 00:54:30,003 --> 00:54:33,495 She was a little teenage girl buying some orangejuice. 1034 00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:34,604 Mm-mm. 1035 00:54:36,642 --> 00:54:38,633 That- that could've been my child. 1036 00:54:39,145 --> 00:54:40,737 Up until Saturday morning, 1037 00:54:40,847 --> 00:54:43,873 Soon Ja Du was a Korean grocer in Los Angeles. 1038 00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:45,845 Now she's an alleged criminal, 1039 00:54:45,952 --> 00:54:48,614 facing a first-degree murder charge. 1040 00:54:48,755 --> 00:54:51,883 Well, at this time, she's looking at a maximum of 30 years to life. 1041 00:54:52,292 --> 00:54:55,089 According to witnesses and a security camera video tape, 1042 00:54:55,328 --> 00:54:57,625 Harlins never tried to steal thejuice. 1043 00:54:57,998 --> 00:55:01,263 Instead, investigators say Du angrily confronted the girl 1044 00:55:01,701 --> 00:55:04,134 and then shot her with a .38 caliber handgun. 1045 00:55:04,337 --> 00:55:07,636 I hope and I knowthat justice will serve itself, 1046 00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:09,675 and she will get what she deserved. 1047 00:55:11,311 --> 00:55:15,804 Soon Ja Du had no respect forthat young woman. 1048 00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:20,647 The way they beat Rodney King, okay? 1049 00:55:20,854 --> 00:55:22,879 Her shooting Latasha Harlins... 1050 00:55:22,989 --> 00:55:27,619 It's the same people, okay, that are being victimized. 1051 00:55:30,030 --> 00:55:33,932 The recommendation of the people was maximum state prison. 1052 00:55:34,167 --> 00:55:36,999 I think that the death of Latasha deserved that. 1053 00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:39,570 The court decided otherwise. 1054 00:55:39,739 --> 00:55:42,105 Mrs. Du is placed on formal probation 1055 00:55:42,208 --> 00:55:45,234 for five years on the following terms and conditions. 1056 00:55:45,378 --> 00:55:49,177 Mrs. Du is to perform 400 hours of community service. 1057 00:55:50,016 --> 00:55:51,141 Get the cameras off! 1058 00:55:52,886 --> 00:55:54,717 No cameras! Get the camera out of my face! 1059 00:55:55,255 --> 00:55:57,052 The judge called for peace. She said... 1060 00:55:57,157 --> 00:55:59,682 How can you have peace when...? When this is going on? 1061 00:56:00,259 --> 00:56:03,956 What? This woman killed a child. 1062 00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:06,758 She killed a child and not getting any jail time? 1063 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,732 I... I... I haven't gotten overthat, really. 1064 00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:18,901 Wake up, Los Angeles! Wake up! Let not her blood be in vain! 1065 00:56:19,044 --> 00:56:21,945 Latasha was killed, ourfamily was killed. 1066 00:56:22,048 --> 00:56:22,878 - Yeah! - That's right! 1067 00:56:23,049 --> 00:56:26,780 Racism is not the Korean killing her, racism is the courts system... 1068 00:56:26,886 --> 00:56:28,717 - That's right! ...that allows her to kill her. 1069 00:56:29,789 --> 00:56:30,881 Karlin must go! Karlin must go! 1070 00:56:30,990 --> 00:56:33,959 Chanting "Karlin must go", angry protestors 1071 00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:37,029 stormed through security checkpoints at the courthouse in Compton. 1072 00:56:37,163 --> 00:56:38,994 (Overlapping angry yelling) 1073 00:56:39,833 --> 00:56:43,166 They are still outraged over Judge Joyce Karlin's decision 1074 00:56:43,302 --> 00:56:46,101 not to send Latasha Harlins' killer to jail. 1075 00:56:46,705 --> 00:56:49,766 They are willing to go tojail to get their point across. 1076 00:56:50,343 --> 00:56:52,902 In the community, you go tojail for selling crack 1077 00:56:53,045 --> 00:56:54,706 for 20 years, 20 and 30 years. 1078 00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:58,011 How you gonna kill somebody and get probation? 1079 00:56:59,052 --> 00:57:00,383 What kind of sense does that make? 1080 00:57:01,186 --> 00:57:02,882 What kind ofjustice is that? 1081 00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:08,293 39th and Dalton, 1082 00:57:11,297 --> 00:57:12,991 then Rodney King, 1083 00:57:14,033 --> 00:57:16,695 then Latasha Harlins. 1084 00:57:17,803 --> 00:57:21,330 Three defining issues in different ways, 1085 00:57:21,908 --> 00:57:23,933 but the tension in the environment 1086 00:57:24,077 --> 00:57:29,174 and the disrespect shown to Black life was the theme. 1087 00:57:43,499 --> 00:57:45,729 ESPN presents... 1088 00:57:48,237 --> 00:57:49,396 Sports Look 1089 00:57:50,573 --> 00:57:52,837 with the personalities and cover stories 1090 00:57:53,142 --> 00:57:55,337 making news in the world of sport. 1091 00:57:56,479 --> 00:57:59,312 Now, here's your host, Roy Firestone. 1092 00:57:59,882 --> 00:58:02,510 When you live your life so publicly and, uh, 1093 00:58:02,717 --> 00:58:05,551 really almost with such ease, 1094 00:58:05,787 --> 00:58:08,552 uh, it's hard to believe that there could ever be any rocky time. 1095 00:58:08,758 --> 00:58:10,248 The reason I'm bringing that to light now 1096 00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:11,689 is not to dredge it up again, 1097 00:58:12,161 --> 00:58:14,595 but more or less talk about how things can get distorted 1098 00:58:14,796 --> 00:58:17,425 to such a point that you are portrayed as the bad guy. 1099 00:58:17,767 --> 00:58:19,632 Um, New Year's Eve, 1100 00:58:20,169 --> 00:58:21,466 you had a little bit too much to drink. 1101 00:58:21,737 --> 00:58:22,704 - There was some- - Uh, you know, that's... 1102 00:58:22,805 --> 00:58:23,771 You know, actually, 1103 00:58:23,905 --> 00:58:25,737 you know, my wife and I have been togetherfor 12 years 1104 00:58:26,475 --> 00:58:28,136 and it really... when I look at it, 1105 00:58:28,243 --> 00:58:29,609 it wasn't really that big of a fight, 1106 00:58:29,712 --> 00:58:32,613 it's just that because of, uh, it being New Year's Eve... 1107 00:58:32,748 --> 00:58:33,737 Right. 1108 00:58:33,883 --> 00:58:34,679 - Because it's three o'clock in the mornin', 1109 00:58:34,784 --> 00:58:36,149 just finished a big party, 1110 00:58:36,452 --> 00:58:39,478 uh, it got a little verb... it... it got a little loud. 1111 00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:40,419 (Laughs) 1112 00:58:40,555 --> 00:58:42,615 Here's... here's my point, the point I'm making, Juice... 1113 00:58:42,725 --> 00:58:43,589 Yeah. 1114 00:58:43,693 --> 00:58:45,160 - Is that it got to such a point 1115 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,557 that you were portrayed in the press for a while there like a wife beater. 1116 00:58:48,631 --> 00:58:50,359 Yeah, well, and that bothered me. 1117 00:58:50,466 --> 00:58:52,331 Obviously, it bothered my whole family. 1118 00:58:52,467 --> 00:58:54,493 I mean, uh, you know, the day after this was over, 1119 00:58:54,636 --> 00:58:55,604 you know, we looked at, say- 1120 00:58:55,705 --> 00:58:56,671 you know, we had a fight, 1121 00:58:56,805 --> 00:58:57,864 we were both guilty. 1122 00:58:58,173 --> 00:59:00,642 No one was hurt, was no big deal, and we got on with our life. 1123 00:59:05,214 --> 00:59:08,671 I had always suspected that they had violent fights. 1124 00:59:10,219 --> 00:59:14,553 The day of my wedding I found out that Nicole and O.J. 1125 00:59:14,657 --> 00:59:15,624 Were not going to be attending... 1126 00:59:17,325 --> 00:59:18,588 and he said it was because 1127 00:59:18,661 --> 00:59:22,653 Nicole was having very bad cramps from her period. 1128 00:59:24,267 --> 00:59:25,564 I thought it was a lie. 1129 00:59:28,204 --> 00:59:31,640 It was always Nicole's fault. I mean, even the '89 thing. 1130 00:59:32,207 --> 00:59:34,198 When I cornered him sitting on a golf cart, 1131 00:59:34,342 --> 00:59:35,605 I listened for nine holes, 1132 00:59:35,778 --> 00:59:38,338 everything that she did wrong to create what had happened. 1133 00:59:38,546 --> 00:59:41,277 "You think that she's bruised up, you should have seen my face," 1134 00:59:41,417 --> 00:59:44,180 you know, the... the whole pity thing that he always went through. 1135 00:59:45,688 --> 00:59:49,180 I think anybody that knew them... it was over. 1136 00:59:49,759 --> 00:59:53,286 Then it was a matter of when would Nicole have the fortitude 1137 00:59:53,462 --> 00:59:55,691 to just completely walk away. 1138 00:59:59,702 --> 01:00:00,828 She said, "Ron, 1139 01:00:01,537 --> 01:00:03,834 if it wasn't for the kids, I'd be out of here." 1140 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,771 And then I get a call from O.J. 1141 01:00:07,243 --> 01:00:08,972 He says, "You gotta help me here. 1142 01:00:09,278 --> 01:00:11,246 You... you gotta help save this marriage. 1143 01:00:11,614 --> 01:00:14,878 You gotta talk to Nicole, tell her I'll never do it again." 1144 01:00:16,252 --> 01:00:19,448 I saw her start to soften, because by this time, 1145 01:00:19,588 --> 01:00:22,556 O.J. Is just doing everything with the kids. 1146 01:00:22,925 --> 01:00:24,323 And they're just having a great time, 1147 01:00:24,427 --> 01:00:25,792 he's taking them here, he's taking them there. 1148 01:00:25,928 --> 01:00:27,293 She's looking at me goin', 1149 01:00:27,395 --> 01:00:31,730 "Hey, Ron, he's really changing. He's really changing." 1150 01:00:34,804 --> 01:00:38,432 When it turned toward the domestic violence, 1151 01:00:38,874 --> 01:00:41,707 that was one that nobody wanted to hear. 1152 01:00:42,545 --> 01:00:43,705 The police didn't wanna hear it, 1153 01:00:43,813 --> 01:00:45,780 most certainly Hertz didn't wanna hear it, 1154 01:00:46,382 --> 01:00:47,644 NBC didn't wanna hear it. 1155 01:00:47,816 --> 01:00:49,716 Nobody wanted to deal with that. 1156 01:00:49,785 --> 01:00:51,877 Back to you, Bob. (Laughing) 1157 01:00:54,757 --> 01:00:56,725 When we heard that, I thought that was it. 1158 01:00:56,825 --> 01:00:57,814 That's... it's over. 1159 01:00:59,795 --> 01:01:03,628 You know who called me to tell me that it was a false arrest? 1160 01:01:04,633 --> 01:01:05,657 Nicole. 1161 01:01:07,703 --> 01:01:09,728 Nicole called me and said, 1162 01:01:09,805 --> 01:01:12,000 "Frank, it didn't happen that way." 1163 01:01:13,475 --> 01:01:16,842 They'd had a terrible argument, but he wasn't abusive. 1164 01:01:17,346 --> 01:01:18,836 They just overreacted. 1165 01:01:21,517 --> 01:01:23,950 I certainly understand how she got involved with him, 1166 01:01:24,453 --> 01:01:27,546 and I could understand how hard it would be to leave that. 1167 01:01:29,324 --> 01:01:30,553 There was a lot to leave. 1168 01:01:31,794 --> 01:01:34,786 Especially if it was to go back to your parents' house 1169 01:01:34,896 --> 01:01:37,695 in Laguna Beach and start over. 1170 01:01:39,568 --> 01:01:44,528 O.J. Was the income producer for the family. 1171 01:01:45,474 --> 01:01:48,841 For not only just Nicole and O.J. 1172 01:01:48,944 --> 01:01:53,847 But for Nicole's father, and mother, sisters... 1173 01:01:54,617 --> 01:01:56,778 He was the... the money man. 1174 01:01:59,088 --> 01:02:02,990 Nicole told me that she felt her family would side with O.J. 1175 01:02:04,092 --> 01:02:06,618 And that... and that disturbed her a great deal. 1176 01:02:09,865 --> 01:02:12,060 Nicole was like the trophy to him. 1177 01:02:12,368 --> 01:02:13,994 You know, something that... that he possessed, 1178 01:02:14,769 --> 01:02:16,465 that he wanted control of, you know? 1179 01:02:16,805 --> 01:02:18,966 And "You better do what I say," but, you know, 1180 01:02:19,108 --> 01:02:20,404 "You better go along with this program." 1181 01:02:20,842 --> 01:02:23,607 I... I totally believe he was concerned about his image. 1182 01:02:23,979 --> 01:02:25,810 What kind of public reaction did you get, 1183 01:02:25,948 --> 01:02:28,575 and what kind of corporate reaction did you get, Juice? 1184 01:02:28,684 --> 01:02:32,677 Surprisingly, so supportive it was unbelievable, you know? 1185 01:02:32,822 --> 01:02:33,788 So supportive, you know? 1186 01:02:33,856 --> 01:02:36,689 Uh, most of the people that I work with know us real well, 1187 01:02:36,892 --> 01:02:39,519 so they can see first-hand that there was, uh, you know, that, 1188 01:02:39,627 --> 01:02:41,027 hey, our relationship was as strong as... 1189 01:02:41,162 --> 01:02:44,825 not only as it's ever been, but as strong as anybody's I know. 1190 01:02:44,966 --> 01:02:46,992 So nobody dropped you from any contracts? 1191 01:02:47,136 --> 01:02:48,660 - No. No. No. - See, the one thing that... 1192 01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:49,703 anotherthing people don't realize about O.J. 1193 01:02:49,805 --> 01:02:53,741 Is he is extremely, uh, well-involved in the business community. 1194 01:02:53,876 --> 01:02:55,672 And he doesn't wanna do this, 'cause it's embarrassing to him, 1195 01:02:55,911 --> 01:02:57,776 but he is one of the owners of HoneyBaked Hams, 1196 01:02:58,012 --> 01:02:59,947 uh, Ramada Inns, a couple of Ramada Inns, 1197 01:03:00,048 --> 01:03:01,141 three Ramada Inns, 1198 01:03:01,449 --> 01:03:02,883 very involved, of course, with Hertz. 1199 01:03:03,152 --> 01:03:05,382 And when something like this happens, 1200 01:03:05,554 --> 01:03:06,452 it takes a toll, 1201 01:03:06,555 --> 01:03:08,523 it takes a bite out of it, but, you know, 1202 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:10,021 it boun... you bounce back from something like this. 1203 01:03:10,526 --> 01:03:12,926 Once they really, really got back together, 1204 01:03:13,528 --> 01:03:14,996 you know, I mean, we were still friends, you know, 1205 01:03:15,097 --> 01:03:16,428 I still know the guy and everything, 1206 01:03:16,966 --> 01:03:18,160 but, you know, 1207 01:03:18,801 --> 01:03:20,428 he kinda had that, uh, attitude, 1208 01:03:20,735 --> 01:03:22,863 "I'm back. I knew I'd be back." 1209 01:03:23,005 --> 01:03:25,905 You know, "Hey... Don't worry about it." 1210 01:03:26,041 --> 01:03:27,735 You know, "Everything's fine." 1211 01:03:29,744 --> 01:03:33,441 This is where O.J. Simpson performed community service 1212 01:03:33,815 --> 01:03:36,410 as part of his sentence for beating his wife, Nicole. 1213 01:03:36,819 --> 01:03:39,686 For part of his punishment, Simpson went golfing. 1214 01:03:40,089 --> 01:03:42,682 He spent his 120 hours of community service 1215 01:03:42,791 --> 01:03:44,588 organizing a celebrity tournament. 1216 01:03:45,094 --> 01:03:48,757 Prosecutors in the case say they wanted him to go to jail. 1217 01:03:53,669 --> 01:03:57,832 Can you imagine if every time he did something violent like that 1218 01:03:58,607 --> 01:04:00,507 that a report would've been made? 1219 01:04:01,476 --> 01:04:04,207 When I got to the station, I checked the computer, 1220 01:04:04,512 --> 01:04:09,177 there would have been eight previous domestic incident reports on file. 1221 01:04:10,219 --> 01:04:12,778 Then I would have put that in my report 1222 01:04:12,988 --> 01:04:15,752 and sent it on to the prosecutor, 1223 01:04:16,057 --> 01:04:19,493 that most likely that would have been filed as a felony. 1224 01:04:20,496 --> 01:04:24,761 Because it would have shown that a slap on the hand 1225 01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:27,868 is not going to cure this from happening again. 1226 01:04:29,003 --> 01:04:31,768 And that's why I hung onto the report. 1227 01:04:32,041 --> 01:04:34,202 I don't have a garage full of reports, 1228 01:04:34,810 --> 01:04:38,211 I have one report, one, 1229 01:04:38,814 --> 01:04:42,146 that was O.J. Simpson's report because I thought 1230 01:04:42,918 --> 01:04:47,582 that the case might be mishandled, and I needed proof 1231 01:04:47,689 --> 01:04:48,850 that it actually happened, 1232 01:04:50,859 --> 01:04:52,884 and I thought he was gonna kill her. 1233 01:05:00,085 --> 01:05:03,543 Acontroversial case involving four Los Angeles police officers 1234 01:05:03,654 --> 01:05:04,622 goes to court today. 1235 01:05:04,723 --> 01:05:05,883 The officers face charges 1236 01:05:06,024 --> 01:05:08,515 stemming from the videotaped beating of a motorist. 1237 01:05:08,693 --> 01:05:10,626 The case has already raised accusations 1238 01:05:10,796 --> 01:05:12,889 of officially-sanctioned racism and brutality. 1239 01:05:13,831 --> 01:05:15,800 At issue is the use of force. 1240 01:05:16,367 --> 01:05:18,858 The question is whether theirforce was justified 1241 01:05:19,003 --> 01:05:21,336 by King's behavior before the camera rolled. 1242 01:05:23,474 --> 01:05:25,875 I don't think that that should have been prosecuted. 1243 01:05:26,812 --> 01:05:28,608 Those officers had about two seconds to make up 1244 01:05:28,713 --> 01:05:29,839 their mind to do something, 1245 01:05:30,047 --> 01:05:32,482 and they did what they thought was right at the time. 1246 01:05:32,818 --> 01:05:34,842 When is too much? When is not enough? 1247 01:05:35,954 --> 01:05:37,945 Should they go to trial? Definitely not. 1248 01:05:39,891 --> 01:05:42,621 On film, what you see was illegal. 1249 01:05:43,428 --> 01:05:44,918 There had to be a prosecution, 1250 01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:49,831 and if there isn't a legitimate reason for this, 1251 01:05:50,635 --> 01:05:52,694 there's jail time involved with this one. 1252 01:05:54,906 --> 01:05:57,465 I was fairly new to LA, so I'm thinkin', 1253 01:05:57,642 --> 01:06:01,975 "Hey, we got 'em- we got 'em cold. This time we'll getjustice." 1254 01:06:02,881 --> 01:06:06,044 And there were people who had lived in those communities a long time, 1255 01:06:06,184 --> 01:06:07,151 and they were saying, 1256 01:06:07,452 --> 01:06:10,511 "well, you know, maybe. I hope so. 1257 01:06:11,055 --> 01:06:12,580 But it's not a done deal." 1258 01:06:14,192 --> 01:06:16,921 In a brand-new courthouse in a distant LAsuburb 1259 01:06:17,028 --> 01:06:18,494 called Simi Valley, 1260 01:06:18,762 --> 01:06:21,391 the city's drama is putting a little town on the map. 1261 01:06:21,867 --> 01:06:23,528 The defense had the trial moved 1262 01:06:23,668 --> 01:06:25,965 from Los Angeles county to this bedroom suburb. 1263 01:06:26,471 --> 01:06:29,804 This area is notably more white and conservative than LA 1264 01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:33,672 It was a horrible decision. 1265 01:06:33,778 --> 01:06:35,541 It was the worst possible decision. 1266 01:06:35,881 --> 01:06:39,145 And a lot of LAPD officers live in Simi Valley. 1267 01:06:41,485 --> 01:06:43,851 The idea is that you get a representative cross-section 1268 01:06:43,955 --> 01:06:46,446 of the community, that's what the sixth amendment talks about, 1269 01:06:46,625 --> 01:06:49,617 and that people come in with different life experiences, 1270 01:06:49,828 --> 01:06:50,885 because you really do need 1271 01:06:50,996 --> 01:06:52,964 the people to come from different walks of life 1272 01:06:53,532 --> 01:06:56,524 so that you get a complete understanding of the testimony. 1273 01:06:57,001 --> 01:06:59,470 Completely in fearfor my life, scared to death 1274 01:06:59,571 --> 01:07:00,832 that if this guy got back up, 1275 01:07:01,473 --> 01:07:03,464 he was gonna take my gun away from me. 1276 01:07:04,242 --> 01:07:06,903 Cases involving charges against police officers 1277 01:07:07,011 --> 01:07:08,479 are rarely slam dunks. 1278 01:07:08,779 --> 01:07:10,474 Even when they're on videotape. 1279 01:07:10,849 --> 01:07:13,215 Do you believe that the actions of your officers 1280 01:07:13,518 --> 01:07:16,009 up to this point were having any effect on Mr. King? 1281 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,854 None at all. This was a managed and controlled use of force. 1282 01:07:19,957 --> 01:07:21,618 It followed the policies and procedures 1283 01:07:21,725 --> 01:07:23,660 of Los Angeles Police Department and the training. 1284 01:07:24,128 --> 01:07:26,653 Now, as the defense presents its case, 1285 01:07:26,965 --> 01:07:29,229 civil rights lawyers like Johnnie Cochran worry 1286 01:07:29,768 --> 01:07:31,793 that convictions are far from certain, 1287 01:07:32,070 --> 01:07:34,561 because the prosecutors seem to lack experience 1288 01:07:34,672 --> 01:07:35,765 dealing with cops. 1289 01:07:36,073 --> 01:07:38,702 Somebody with some experience has to stand up and say, 1290 01:07:38,876 --> 01:07:40,469 "Look, you can't get away with this. 1291 01:07:40,579 --> 01:07:42,570 This isn't right, and we're not gonna let it happen." 1292 01:07:42,781 --> 01:07:44,908 The prosecution's strategy seems to be 1293 01:07:44,983 --> 01:07:47,815 to let the violence of the videotape speak for itself. 1294 01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:52,149 But nobody is certain anymore what that tape is saying to thejury. 1295 01:07:53,892 --> 01:07:57,055 I had been telling my people at Time Magazine, 1296 01:07:57,162 --> 01:07:58,561 "There's something going on. 1297 01:07:59,564 --> 01:08:00,826 We need to pay attention. 1298 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,265 There's a story here beyond this trial." 1299 01:08:07,872 --> 01:08:10,670 I just sensed there was this unrest. 1300 01:08:27,292 --> 01:08:31,023 The day started like any other day, but it really wasn't. 1301 01:08:31,163 --> 01:08:33,654 We were waiting forthe verdict to be handed down in the trial 1302 01:08:33,832 --> 01:08:35,801 of the four white police officers 1303 01:08:35,901 --> 01:08:38,028 that were charged with beating Rodney King. 1304 01:08:39,038 --> 01:08:40,266 Sergeant Koon, how are you feeling? 1305 01:08:41,339 --> 01:08:42,306 No comment. 1306 01:08:43,109 --> 01:08:44,700 I got up that morning and I said, 1307 01:08:44,810 --> 01:08:46,300 "I gotta go out there and see what's going on." 1308 01:08:46,846 --> 01:08:49,109 So I got on the freeway and started looking for Simi Valley. 1309 01:08:51,850 --> 01:08:53,681 It's a all-white town. 1310 01:08:54,053 --> 01:08:56,578 I only saw white people out there that day, 1311 01:08:57,722 --> 01:09:02,021 and they wasn't that kind to me when I was asking for direction. 1312 01:09:04,963 --> 01:09:06,829 I wanted to be there to witness it, 1313 01:09:07,867 --> 01:09:10,131 and I guess I thought that my being there 1314 01:09:10,235 --> 01:09:11,794 was gonna change something. 1315 01:09:12,137 --> 01:09:13,627 Title of accordant cause: 1316 01:09:14,339 --> 01:09:16,934 We the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1317 01:09:17,208 --> 01:09:18,301 find the defendant, 1318 01:09:18,610 --> 01:09:20,806 Laurence M. Powell not guilty of... 1319 01:09:20,913 --> 01:09:22,812 (Gasps, shocked reactions) 1320 01:09:22,948 --> 01:09:24,006 (Bleeped cursing) 1321 01:09:24,716 --> 01:09:26,617 Man, you got to be kiddin'. 1322 01:09:26,919 --> 01:09:29,182 We thejury, in the above-entitled action, 1323 01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:31,953 find the defendant Theodore J. Briseno 1324 01:09:32,057 --> 01:09:34,117 not guilty of the crime of assault 1325 01:09:34,927 --> 01:09:37,258 by force likely to produce great bodily injury 1326 01:09:37,663 --> 01:09:38,823 with a deadly weapon. 1327 01:09:39,297 --> 01:09:43,597 This 29th day of April, 1992, signed by the court. 1328 01:09:43,968 --> 01:09:45,333 Title of accordant cause: 1329 01:09:46,071 --> 01:09:48,369 We the jury, in the above-entitled action, 1330 01:09:49,008 --> 01:09:51,066 find the defendant, Timothy E. Wind, 1331 01:09:51,142 --> 01:09:54,010 not guilty of the crime of assault by force 1332 01:09:54,145 --> 01:09:57,809 likely to produce great bodily injury with a deadly weapon. 1333 01:09:58,284 --> 01:10:00,615 I was sitting in the bureau the day of the verdict, 1334 01:10:00,919 --> 01:10:03,012 with all of my white colleagues and friends. 1335 01:10:03,689 --> 01:10:04,383 We the jury- 1336 01:10:04,724 --> 01:10:06,624 And every time they said, "Not guilty"... 1337 01:10:06,892 --> 01:10:09,655 - the defendant, Stacey C. Koon, not guilty... 1338 01:10:09,761 --> 01:10:13,993 ...what I heard was, "Fuck niggers. Not guilty. Fuck niggers." 1339 01:10:15,401 --> 01:10:18,837 No justice! No peace! No justice! No peace! 1340 01:10:19,003 --> 01:10:21,404 I was at Parker Center when the acquittals were announced. 1341 01:10:22,174 --> 01:10:25,109 And I recall some high-fives and some fist-pumping in the air, 1342 01:10:25,211 --> 01:10:26,940 and, I mean, there were clearly some people who felt 1343 01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:30,806 that the public misunderstood them, that the media misunderstood them, 1344 01:10:30,983 --> 01:10:32,143 and that the jury got it right. 1345 01:10:32,251 --> 01:10:34,685 Well, first, all your reaction to what has happened. 1346 01:10:35,855 --> 01:10:37,652 Very happy. (Chuckles) 1347 01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:39,121 (Angry shouting) 1348 01:10:43,128 --> 01:10:47,122 I'm glad the LAPD are out there protecting me... 1349 01:10:48,801 --> 01:10:51,395 I wanted to believe that the system would work 1350 01:10:51,804 --> 01:10:53,135 for black people in general, 1351 01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:55,207 even though I knew often it doesn't, 1352 01:10:55,707 --> 01:10:58,040 but this time, it should work. And it didn't. 1353 01:10:58,711 --> 01:10:59,734 And all I felt like, 1354 01:10:59,845 --> 01:11:01,437 I just wanted to smack somebody white. 1355 01:11:03,282 --> 01:11:04,442 You're guilty! 1356 01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:06,775 Your skin color determines what degree ofjustice 1357 01:11:06,886 --> 01:11:07,750 you have these days. 1358 01:11:09,755 --> 01:11:13,020 I don't think the community's gonna take this lying down. 1359 01:11:14,059 --> 01:11:16,323 I don't think this is gonna be good. 1360 01:11:16,462 --> 01:11:19,022 No justice in America, not for the blacks! 1361 01:11:19,799 --> 01:11:22,824 Thejustice is forthe other man, not forthe brother man! 1362 01:11:25,838 --> 01:11:28,931 Pastor, your reaction after that first verdict was read? 1363 01:11:29,141 --> 01:11:33,942 Our reaction was almost universal, utter pain. 1364 01:11:35,181 --> 01:11:37,011 Justice! Justice! 1365 01:11:37,383 --> 01:11:41,080 Rodney King did not have a choirboy's record, 1366 01:11:41,487 --> 01:11:44,011 but Rodney King had the flesh and blood 1367 01:11:44,223 --> 01:11:46,987 of decency and humanity in his heart. 1368 01:11:47,091 --> 01:11:51,324 What they were beating is every Black person in America. 1369 01:11:52,231 --> 01:11:53,823 Don't lay down for this shit! 1370 01:11:53,966 --> 01:11:57,231 We had an understanding that the night of the verdict 1371 01:11:57,869 --> 01:12:00,304 we would assemble at First AME Church. 1372 01:12:01,774 --> 01:12:04,299 We'd been meeting with the mayor to get ready. 1373 01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:05,308 I said Beverly Hills, 1374 01:12:05,444 --> 01:12:07,172 'cause this is some fucked-up shit that happened, man. 1375 01:12:07,246 --> 01:12:08,213 - This is history... - We're going to westwood... 1376 01:12:08,314 --> 01:12:11,215 Brentwood, whitewood. All that. 1377 01:12:11,317 --> 01:12:15,185 We were gonna send out groups of young men 1378 01:12:15,354 --> 01:12:19,848 to walk the streets and keep everything in order. 1379 01:12:20,025 --> 01:12:21,788 (Police sirens) 1380 01:12:25,998 --> 01:12:30,162 I had spent weeks talking to Black clergy, gang members, 1381 01:12:30,269 --> 01:12:34,933 and they were very upfront about what they believed would happen. 1382 01:12:36,141 --> 01:12:37,438 "Yeah, there's gonna be violence." 1383 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:42,841 So we had everything prepared. We had the copter fully fueled. 1384 01:12:43,482 --> 01:12:44,540 It seems like the only people 1385 01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:46,340 that didn't know that there would be a riot 1386 01:12:46,552 --> 01:12:48,349 was the news media and the LAPD. 1387 01:12:50,154 --> 01:12:54,251 You're looking at a live picture here at Normandie and Florence. 1388 01:12:54,393 --> 01:12:56,987 There has been a mini-riot at this location. 1389 01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:59,253 There's now been a tactical alert. 1390 01:12:59,398 --> 01:13:04,267 Officers have been ordered to stay out of this general area. 1391 01:13:04,570 --> 01:13:07,003 We're gonna try to get you more information on that. 1392 01:13:09,008 --> 01:13:10,270 Even before the verdict, 1393 01:13:10,376 --> 01:13:13,072 Los Angeles police chief Daryl Gates was criticized 1394 01:13:13,244 --> 01:13:15,076 for preparing for unrest in the event 1395 01:13:15,180 --> 01:13:16,579 four of his officers were acquitted. 1396 01:13:17,149 --> 01:13:18,377 But when the rioting began, 1397 01:13:18,918 --> 01:13:21,181 where were the police and firefighters? 1398 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,185 (Angry shouting) 1399 01:13:27,859 --> 01:13:30,454 My most striking memory is of members of the police commission 1400 01:13:30,596 --> 01:13:32,063 desperately trying to find Gates. 1401 01:13:32,264 --> 01:13:34,391 Which is just shocking, if you think about it in retrospect, 1402 01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:35,489 that the verdicts in the Rodney King case 1403 01:13:35,634 --> 01:13:37,295 were coming down and the chief was not at Parker Center. 1404 01:13:37,502 --> 01:13:40,267 Gates had driven to this house in ritzy Brentwood 1405 01:13:40,372 --> 01:13:43,306 to campaign against a police reform initiative. 1406 01:13:44,109 --> 01:13:47,078 Fighting police reform, that's what he was doing. 1407 01:13:47,513 --> 01:13:50,913 He abandoned his post 1408 01:13:51,383 --> 01:13:55,216 and left his troops in a shameful state. 1409 01:13:55,487 --> 01:13:56,976 (Angry shouting) 1410 01:14:00,192 --> 01:14:01,886 The LAPD response was tepid. 1411 01:14:04,997 --> 01:14:07,363 All of the media gets on the police department, 1412 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:08,966 the people are screaming, 1413 01:14:09,068 --> 01:14:10,591 "we have an occupying force." 1414 01:14:11,103 --> 01:14:13,162 Well, gee, we don't wanna look like an occupying force, 1415 01:14:13,272 --> 01:14:15,001 so maybe we'll just sit here until it blows over. 1416 01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:16,505 That type of crap goes on. 1417 01:14:18,210 --> 01:14:19,438 And we were furious. 1418 01:14:27,086 --> 01:14:29,247 - Fuck the police! - Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em! 1419 01:14:33,125 --> 01:14:35,184 Chaos at this particular location. 1420 01:14:36,494 --> 01:14:40,261 To see the very start of the violence was very troubling. 1421 01:14:41,166 --> 01:14:44,135 What made it really troubling was there was no police presence. 1422 01:14:44,403 --> 01:14:46,199 There's a van coming under attack. 1423 01:14:46,605 --> 01:14:48,368 They're pulling the driver out of the van, 1424 01:14:48,474 --> 01:14:50,669 and they're kicking the driver and beating the driver. 1425 01:14:51,109 --> 01:14:53,044 We captured what essentially became 1426 01:14:53,178 --> 01:14:56,204 the bookend to the Rodney King beating. 1427 01:14:56,715 --> 01:14:58,511 There's another driver, badly beaten. 1428 01:14:59,051 --> 01:15:00,416 In the case of Reginald Denny, 1429 01:15:00,618 --> 01:15:03,588 we had black gang members beating a white man. 1430 01:15:04,156 --> 01:15:06,317 Oh, look at that. Terrible. 1431 01:15:06,492 --> 01:15:08,926 And there's no police presence down here. 1432 01:15:09,094 --> 01:15:10,220 They will not enterthe area. 1433 01:15:11,997 --> 01:15:14,488 That was the most disgusting thing I've seen in my entire career. 1434 01:15:15,234 --> 01:15:17,964 Two blocks away we had a platoon of metro division. 1435 01:15:18,136 --> 01:15:19,934 We could have cleared that intersection in a minute. 1436 01:15:20,606 --> 01:15:21,436 But the commander there 1437 01:15:21,540 --> 01:15:24,100 didn't wanna release 'em to do it, because of imagery. 1438 01:15:24,208 --> 01:15:25,335 We're on live television. 1439 01:15:25,610 --> 01:15:27,601 We're seeing a dark day here in Los Angeles. 1440 01:15:28,247 --> 01:15:30,181 The LAPD is nowhere to be found. 1441 01:15:30,449 --> 01:15:32,109 So we're sitting there in our uniforms 1442 01:15:32,216 --> 01:15:34,582 watching this poortruck driver get his head beat in. 1443 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,243 Nobody's doing a damn thing about it. 1444 01:15:36,455 --> 01:15:37,422 We're screamin'. 1445 01:15:38,323 --> 01:15:39,688 Nobody would even move on it. 1446 01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:49,224 How are you this evening? 1447 01:15:50,234 --> 01:15:51,497 - Angry. - Angry? 1448 01:15:53,538 --> 01:15:56,167 The jury is trying to tell us we didn't see what we saw. 1449 01:15:56,375 --> 01:15:58,104 (Cheers, applause) 1450 01:15:58,243 --> 01:16:01,644 We've been the victims of police brutality in this town 1451 01:16:01,779 --> 01:16:03,110 for too long! 1452 01:16:03,315 --> 01:16:05,180 (Cheers, applause) 1453 01:16:08,487 --> 01:16:09,749 We didn't come here tonight to mourn. 1454 01:16:10,089 --> 01:16:12,250 We came here tonight to say who we are. 1455 01:16:12,391 --> 01:16:13,221 (Cheers, applause) 1456 01:16:13,425 --> 01:16:15,449 And we ain't gonna take this business lying down. 1457 01:16:15,694 --> 01:16:16,752 (Cheers, applause) 1458 01:16:17,096 --> 01:16:18,461 And we ain't gonna tear up our community 1459 01:16:18,564 --> 01:16:19,588 to be proving their point. 1460 01:16:20,032 --> 01:16:21,499 (Cheers, applause) 1461 01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:25,332 Mark Brown, Channel Seven waved at the monitor and said, 1462 01:16:25,503 --> 01:16:29,372 "The city's on fire. It's on fire." 1463 01:16:30,275 --> 01:16:32,368 And I looked at him and said, "My God." 1464 01:16:32,544 --> 01:16:34,671 I had no idea it was right across the street. 1465 01:16:34,813 --> 01:16:35,744 Literally. 1466 01:16:36,415 --> 01:16:38,645 The gas station was on fire. 1467 01:16:45,824 --> 01:16:49,350 What I didn't anticipate personally and professionally 1468 01:16:49,795 --> 01:16:52,787 was the response of the community. 1469 01:16:56,168 --> 01:16:59,160 I went on the streets, and western Avenue was in flames. 1470 01:17:01,273 --> 01:17:05,266 And this crowd is gathering, and the police have now come, 1471 01:17:06,377 --> 01:17:09,279 and there's one guy, and he's screaming his head off, 1472 01:17:09,547 --> 01:17:11,208 "Burn, baby, burn! 1473 01:17:11,383 --> 01:17:14,250 How you like me now, Mr. Policeman?" 1474 01:17:18,090 --> 01:17:20,320 And I felt his pain. 1475 01:17:25,264 --> 01:17:26,457 I just didn't get it. 1476 01:17:26,665 --> 01:17:29,532 I just didn't understand burning down your own community. 1477 01:17:31,537 --> 01:17:32,731 I didn't get what it proved. 1478 01:17:38,342 --> 01:17:40,708 Here are people who feel like they have no stake, 1479 01:17:41,446 --> 01:17:43,277 nobody's paying any attention to them. 1480 01:17:44,483 --> 01:17:46,713 This is the only way we can get any attention. 1481 01:17:47,219 --> 01:17:48,550 (Angry chanting) 1482 01:17:53,192 --> 01:17:56,092 As it got darker, a crowd began to gather out 1483 01:17:56,195 --> 01:17:57,252 in front of the police department. 1484 01:17:59,598 --> 01:18:01,360 It got increasingly unruly. 1485 01:18:02,234 --> 01:18:03,724 Someone grabbed me and tore my shirt 1486 01:18:03,868 --> 01:18:05,268 and said something about, you know, 1487 01:18:05,369 --> 01:18:07,360 "You fucking newsmen. Why do you tell lies?" 1488 01:18:12,243 --> 01:18:16,305 It is the most physically-frightening situation that I've ever been part of. 1489 01:18:16,615 --> 01:18:18,207 (Angry shouting) 1490 01:18:23,555 --> 01:18:25,614 (Helicopter blades) 1491 01:18:26,792 --> 01:18:28,453 Guy pulls up, and he goes, 1492 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,256 "Mike, whatever you do, don't go to the command post. 1493 01:18:31,630 --> 01:18:33,291 Go to the police station down the street. 1494 01:18:33,565 --> 01:18:35,590 Because it's very violent out there." 1495 01:18:36,467 --> 01:18:38,628 I looked at him, and I thought, "what a coward he is," 1496 01:18:39,705 --> 01:18:45,268 get in the car, make the first turn, and the car gets lit up by gunfire. 1497 01:18:45,677 --> 01:18:48,407 So I go, "Okay. Now I know what he's talking about." 1498 01:18:48,513 --> 01:18:50,447 So I took my .45 out, I put it on my lap, 1499 01:18:50,949 --> 01:18:53,417 I took a big gulp of Copenhagen, 1500 01:18:53,719 --> 01:18:56,347 stuck it down my mouth, turned off the lights 1501 01:18:56,488 --> 01:18:58,752 and drove as fast as I could to the command post. 1502 01:19:02,394 --> 01:19:07,263 Hindsight, the overall management could've been done much better, 1503 01:19:14,473 --> 01:19:19,638 but once it got away from us, we were cooked. 1504 01:19:24,949 --> 01:19:26,940 (Helicopter blades) 1505 01:19:57,767 --> 01:19:59,291 911 Emergency. 1506 01:19:59,402 --> 01:20:01,198 Yeah, can you send someone to my house? 1507 01:20:01,671 --> 01:20:02,695 What's the problem there? 1508 01:20:03,173 --> 01:20:05,037 Well, my ex-husband, or my husband, 1509 01:20:05,340 --> 01:20:06,501 just broke into my house, 1510 01:20:06,643 --> 01:20:08,133 and he's ranting and raving. 1511 01:20:08,243 --> 01:20:09,733 Now he's just walked out on the front yard. 1512 01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,141 Has he been drinking or anything? 1513 01:20:12,348 --> 01:20:13,713 No, but he's crazy. 1514 01:20:14,084 --> 01:20:15,210 Is he black, white, or Hispanic? 1515 01:20:15,652 --> 01:20:16,482 Black. 1516 01:20:16,752 --> 01:20:18,084 What's he wearing right now? 1517 01:20:18,555 --> 01:20:20,489 Black pants and a golf shirt. 1518 01:20:21,157 --> 01:20:22,350 You said he hasn't been drinking? 1519 01:20:22,459 --> 01:20:23,289 - No. - Did he hit you? 1520 01:20:24,060 --> 01:20:24,651 No. 1521 01:20:24,794 --> 01:20:26,260 Do you have a restraining order against him? 1522 01:20:26,362 --> 01:20:27,192 No. 1523 01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:28,328 What's your name? 1524 01:20:28,698 --> 01:20:29,665 Nicole Simpson. 1525 01:20:30,033 --> 01:20:30,624 Your address? 1526 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,462 325 Gretna Green Way. 1527 01:20:34,037 --> 01:20:35,197 Okay, we'll send police out. 1528 01:20:35,572 --> 01:20:36,539 - Thank you. - Uh-huh. 1529 01:20:39,608 --> 01:20:43,170 When Nicole first decided to leave O.J., 1530 01:20:44,046 --> 01:20:45,173 she came to me. 1531 01:20:46,382 --> 01:20:48,474 She said, "I wanna move out" and at that time, 1532 01:20:48,551 --> 01:20:50,075 I was doing real estate. 1533 01:20:50,687 --> 01:20:52,678 And then we had to sell O.J. On the idea. 1534 01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:56,320 He was obsessed with controlling Nicole. 1535 01:20:56,659 --> 01:20:59,126 I said, "Look, O.J., we'll get her a lease." 1536 01:20:59,261 --> 01:21:00,751 He goes, "Three months." 1537 01:21:01,064 --> 01:21:05,501 I said, "we'll get her a year lease. You know? It'll be right nearby. 1538 01:21:06,803 --> 01:21:10,170 You can go to therapy and see if you can work things out. 1539 01:21:10,305 --> 01:21:12,035 But she needs her space." 1540 01:21:12,841 --> 01:21:14,502 He really didn't wanna do it. 1541 01:21:27,823 --> 01:21:29,814 I think forthe first time she felt free. 1542 01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:34,162 It was like she just came into that sense of self, 1543 01:21:34,364 --> 01:21:37,527 that she was really ready to do life for her and her kids. 1544 01:21:40,403 --> 01:21:42,371 She responded great to being divorced. 1545 01:21:43,506 --> 01:21:46,099 She was really enjoying her life, 1546 01:21:46,242 --> 01:21:49,268 going out and not being Mrs. Simpson, 1547 01:21:49,879 --> 01:21:51,278 being Nicole Brown. 1548 01:21:52,182 --> 01:21:54,376 She wanted to pursue her photography career, 1549 01:21:54,617 --> 01:21:58,246 and she wanted to have a normal life again. 1550 01:22:03,358 --> 01:22:04,451 It was a beautiful day, 1551 01:22:04,561 --> 01:22:06,495 and we skied down to the bottom of the mountain. 1552 01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:09,826 And everybody's gathering on the deck, having a great time. 1553 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,527 I looked across the deck, and I said, "wow." 1554 01:22:12,635 --> 01:22:14,569 I said that, "That is absolutely the most stunning woman 1555 01:22:14,704 --> 01:22:15,568 I've ever seen in my life. 1556 01:22:15,638 --> 01:22:17,629 I have to find a way to introduce myself to her." 1557 01:22:17,807 --> 01:22:18,636 So I did. 1558 01:22:20,210 --> 01:22:21,700 When I got back to LA several months later, 1559 01:22:22,144 --> 01:22:23,373 we spent more time together. 1560 01:22:23,746 --> 01:22:25,680 Her and friends came by Mezzaluna one night, 1561 01:22:26,416 --> 01:22:28,849 and we're having a good time, and, all of a sudden, 1562 01:22:29,385 --> 01:22:30,852 I see the Bentley come screeching up 1563 01:22:31,153 --> 01:22:32,178 to the front of the door. 1564 01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:35,123 He comes in, walks straight over to our table, 1565 01:22:35,391 --> 01:22:36,585 slams his hands down, 1566 01:22:36,659 --> 01:22:38,421 looks me straight in the eye and says, 1567 01:22:38,661 --> 01:22:40,720 "I'm O.J. Simpson, and she's still my wife." 1568 01:22:42,332 --> 01:22:43,731 I was sort of love-blind, 1569 01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:46,425 so I didn't get up, I didn't run, I didn't back down, 1570 01:22:46,603 --> 01:22:48,230 I just stood my ground from day one. 1571 01:22:48,905 --> 01:22:51,500 And that's when she started to open up to me. 1572 01:22:53,776 --> 01:22:57,405 She told me about years of abuse at his hands. 1573 01:23:14,296 --> 01:23:16,629 He would beat her and lock her in closets at hotels 1574 01:23:16,965 --> 01:23:18,695 because she asked where he was at 1575 01:23:19,269 --> 01:23:20,634 when he was out cheating on her. 1576 01:23:27,677 --> 01:23:30,942 She was told howto look, told how to wear her hair, 1577 01:23:31,247 --> 01:23:32,179 told howto dress, 1578 01:23:32,348 --> 01:23:33,747 told where to be, what time to be, 1579 01:23:33,849 --> 01:23:36,648 how to be, everything for O.J. Simpson. 1580 01:23:37,754 --> 01:23:41,212 Kind of a reverse slavery thing. Uh, very, very odd. 1581 01:23:41,524 --> 01:23:43,787 You know, "That's, uh, that's my property," 1582 01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,825 and he always said, "That's my booty." 1583 01:23:47,664 --> 01:23:49,222 The two sides of O.J., 1584 01:23:49,332 --> 01:23:51,197 the O.J. That everybody sees on TV... 1585 01:23:51,301 --> 01:23:53,292 And when the Cowboys brought in their big back, 1586 01:23:53,436 --> 01:23:56,371 that they didn't make good tackles on them, so the coach 1587 01:23:56,472 --> 01:23:58,406 was on their cases to make better tackles, 1588 01:23:58,541 --> 01:23:59,734 as my family throws snowballs at me. 1589 01:23:59,841 --> 01:24:00,774 Incidentally, uh... 1590 01:24:00,910 --> 01:24:03,674 That's not the O.J. That there was behind closed doors, 1591 01:24:03,846 --> 01:24:05,746 certainly not with her, and she told me that. 1592 01:24:07,517 --> 01:24:09,644 "Don't ever be left alone with him, 1593 01:24:09,919 --> 01:24:11,510 'cause you don't know what he's capable of." 1594 01:24:13,890 --> 01:24:18,293 He had her followed, and he would plant people in our group 1595 01:24:18,528 --> 01:24:21,588 that would call him and tell him where we're going every night. 1596 01:24:22,732 --> 01:24:23,823 He would either show up 1597 01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:27,334 or have a spy planted there at the club 1598 01:24:27,437 --> 01:24:28,836 so they could watch her every move. 1599 01:24:29,739 --> 01:24:33,732 He never relinquished control. He never would really let go. 1600 01:24:35,611 --> 01:24:38,010 He would tell me that Nicole tried to get him back, 1601 01:24:38,814 --> 01:24:42,011 that she was actually taking golf lessons at Riviera. 1602 01:24:42,585 --> 01:24:45,418 And he had a girlfriend, you know, Paula. 1603 01:24:45,822 --> 01:24:48,017 And he seemed enthralled with her. 1604 01:24:50,793 --> 01:24:53,921 O.J.'s personality had totally changed, 1605 01:24:54,063 --> 01:24:55,792 and I didn't think it was just the divorce. 1606 01:24:56,766 --> 01:24:58,757 Because his womanizing didn't change. 1607 01:24:59,635 --> 01:25:03,332 He was truly the mostjealous person I ever met in my life. 1608 01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,769 He was as jealous as he was a good football player. 1609 01:25:09,644 --> 01:25:10,737 I saw the anger, 1610 01:25:10,847 --> 01:25:13,941 I saw the rage in his face on several occasions. 1611 01:25:14,384 --> 01:25:16,409 At me, in particular, and at her. 1612 01:25:19,921 --> 01:25:23,448 There was an incident where we went overto Roxbury, 1613 01:25:23,826 --> 01:25:25,384 a hot club at the time in LA, 1614 01:25:25,495 --> 01:25:27,724 and we get in, and she's dancing. 1615 01:25:28,765 --> 01:25:32,496 Maybe 20, 30 minutes go by, and I see her coming back towards me. 1616 01:25:33,403 --> 01:25:38,840 She goes, "O.J.'s here." And I go, "Ha. Great. Again." 1617 01:25:38,974 --> 01:25:40,965 You know, she goes, "Let's just get out of here." 1618 01:25:41,109 --> 01:25:42,372 And I say, "I couldn't agree more." 1619 01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:45,840 So we drive back to her house on Gretna Green. 1620 01:25:48,483 --> 01:25:51,680 We go inside, and, uh, we became romantic. 1621 01:25:53,456 --> 01:25:56,425 We were off in a private area in one of the living rooms, 1622 01:25:59,362 --> 01:26:02,729 and the next day he came over and pushed in the back door, 1623 01:26:03,099 --> 01:26:04,361 confronted both of us, 1624 01:26:04,466 --> 01:26:05,958 and he wanted to talk to her alone. 1625 01:26:06,669 --> 01:26:08,500 She was trembling, standing next to me, 1626 01:26:08,604 --> 01:26:09,832 holding my hand, shaking. 1627 01:26:10,106 --> 01:26:11,801 And she said, 1628 01:26:11,908 --> 01:26:14,399 "Keith, I think you need to leave me alone with him for a couple minutes." 1629 01:26:15,978 --> 01:26:17,536 I could hear him screaming at her, 1630 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,671 I could hear him using disparaging terms 1631 01:26:19,782 --> 01:26:20,975 about her and me. 1632 01:26:21,850 --> 01:26:24,911 They walked out, and he was O.J. Again. 1633 01:26:25,787 --> 01:26:26,982 Shook my hand. 1634 01:26:27,723 --> 01:26:29,384 "Sorry, dude. No hard feelings." 1635 01:26:29,492 --> 01:26:32,358 You know, "I'm a very proud man." 1636 01:26:32,761 --> 01:26:34,093 And he walked out the house. 1637 01:26:35,031 --> 01:26:39,866 And she turned to me, and she was white as a ghost, and she said, 1638 01:26:40,001 --> 01:26:42,492 "Oh, my God, Keith. He watched us." 1639 01:26:46,042 --> 01:26:48,635 And everything changed from that point on. 1640 01:26:50,079 --> 01:26:52,445 We realized we weren't safe anymore. 1641 01:26:53,049 --> 01:26:56,541 We realized that nothing was off limits. 1642 01:26:59,555 --> 01:27:04,390 I think she knew O.J. Was always a presence. She hated it. 1643 01:27:05,094 --> 01:27:08,859 She couldn't even explore being single again and... 1644 01:27:08,965 --> 01:27:10,489 and free and having fun, 1645 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,861 because everybody was still being manipulated by O.J. 1646 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,706 When he found out that she had been with Marcus, 1647 01:27:20,876 --> 01:27:23,539 that's- that was a real issue. 1648 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,541 It's a time you look the competition 1649 01:27:25,648 --> 01:27:26,671 right in the face and say, 1650 01:27:26,782 --> 01:27:28,545 - "Look, I'm betterthan you." - No, I'm betterthan you. 1651 01:27:28,885 --> 01:27:30,147 You may be younger, but you ain't better. 1652 01:27:30,453 --> 01:27:31,044 Yo, who started? 1653 01:27:31,187 --> 01:27:32,552 And don't be taking my number either. 1654 01:27:32,688 --> 01:27:33,746 Besides, I'm better lookin'. 1655 01:27:33,890 --> 01:27:35,482 I'm tired of you trying to be like me. 1656 01:27:35,625 --> 01:27:38,752 I remember going with O.J. To watch Marcus play at USC. 1657 01:27:42,732 --> 01:27:45,030 He was kinda like a mentor to Marcus. 1658 01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:50,768 They were extremely close. Extremely. 1659 01:27:50,939 --> 01:27:52,908 You know, Marcus got married at O.J.'s house. 1660 01:27:54,876 --> 01:27:57,437 I think she always festered a crush for Marcus. 1661 01:27:58,247 --> 01:28:00,772 And he was the only person in her life 1662 01:28:00,883 --> 01:28:04,010 that was as famous and as strong as O.J. 1663 01:28:05,621 --> 01:28:08,852 And so I think she felt in a way that she was safe with him. 1664 01:28:13,963 --> 01:28:16,055 O.J. Said, "Marcus, we're 'SC guys. 1665 01:28:16,999 --> 01:28:19,490 We don't do that to each other. What the hell's wrong with you?" 1666 01:28:22,037 --> 01:28:24,506 He was a younger version of O.J. 1667 01:28:24,707 --> 01:28:27,938 He was almost like the newer, bigger, better version. 1668 01:28:29,511 --> 01:28:31,571 I had no- no idea whatsoever, 1669 01:28:32,014 --> 01:28:35,040 uh, that they were carrying on some kind of affair. 1670 01:28:36,052 --> 01:28:37,212 I was a bit stunned. 1671 01:28:38,688 --> 01:28:41,885 Did you ever have a romantic relationship with Nicole? 1672 01:28:43,025 --> 01:28:44,082 No, I did not. 1673 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,586 No kind of sexual or romantic involvement 1674 01:28:47,763 --> 01:28:48,751 did you ever have with her? 1675 01:28:48,864 --> 01:28:49,990 None whatsoever. 1676 01:28:51,133 --> 01:28:53,965 I really do not wanna talk about that at all. 1677 01:28:55,271 --> 01:28:57,535 Sometimes I'll try to sing, but I'm not gonna do it. 1678 01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:58,937 Tonight I got this tequila in me. 1679 01:28:59,675 --> 01:29:01,575 The girl I came here with said to me, 1680 01:29:02,044 --> 01:29:03,635 "Is this a blues place?" 1681 01:29:03,778 --> 01:29:05,542 I said, "Oh, no, no, no. This is rhythm and blues." 1682 01:29:05,648 --> 01:29:06,273 (Laughs) 1683 01:29:07,049 --> 01:29:08,743 Speaking of that lady I was talking about... 1684 01:29:08,850 --> 01:29:09,680 There she is. 1685 01:29:09,785 --> 01:29:10,979 With another shot of this tequila. 1686 01:29:11,153 --> 01:29:12,278 Now, watch her... Yeah, that's right. 1687 01:29:12,655 --> 01:29:13,280 Now, watch her sing. 1688 01:29:13,656 --> 01:29:15,021 I don't know if... Oh, my God. 1689 01:29:15,124 --> 01:29:15,988 (Laughs) 1690 01:29:16,559 --> 01:29:17,252 That's right. 1691 01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:20,051 We're live right now all across America, 1692 01:29:20,162 --> 01:29:21,561 and she is my woman. 1693 01:29:21,731 --> 01:29:22,857 (Laughs) 1694 01:29:22,965 --> 01:29:23,989 I'm taking her tequila. 1695 01:29:24,133 --> 01:29:25,828 That's why I'm not singing tonight. 1696 01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:29,194 When they initially got back together, 1697 01:29:29,671 --> 01:29:31,162 I was the first person she told about it. 1698 01:29:32,174 --> 01:29:34,836 He had told her, "I'm changed. I'm a new man. 1699 01:29:35,177 --> 01:29:36,769 Let me prove this to ya." 1700 01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,748 She said, "we're gonna date first, and I'm not giving up my house, 1701 01:29:42,051 --> 01:29:43,712 and we're gonna see how it goes." 1702 01:29:44,153 --> 01:29:46,781 That was how they tried to reconcile. 1703 01:29:47,223 --> 01:29:51,023 She said all she really ever wanted was her family. 1704 01:29:54,063 --> 01:29:58,761 It's almost like she risked everything to have that unit back together. 1705 01:30:05,908 --> 01:30:06,897 911 Emergency. What is the...? 1706 01:30:07,009 --> 01:30:10,638 Can you get someone over here now, to 325 Gretna Green? 1707 01:30:10,746 --> 01:30:12,179 He's back. Please. 1708 01:30:12,381 --> 01:30:13,211 Okay. What does he look like? 1709 01:30:13,382 --> 01:30:15,942 He's O.J. Simpson. I think you know his record. 1710 01:30:16,085 --> 01:30:17,848 Could you just send somebody over here? 1711 01:30:17,953 --> 01:30:19,045 Okay. What is he doing there? 1712 01:30:19,221 --> 01:30:20,711 He's just-All this again. 1713 01:30:20,823 --> 01:30:22,347 Could you just send somebody over? 1714 01:30:22,692 --> 01:30:23,784 Wait a minute. What kind of car is he? 1715 01:30:23,893 --> 01:30:25,087 We were filming another Naked Gun movie, 1716 01:30:25,394 --> 01:30:28,260 and it was the first time I can remember him being 1717 01:30:28,664 --> 01:30:30,858 just in one of the foulest moods ever. 1718 01:30:32,001 --> 01:30:33,832 And he said, "It's just Nicole bullshit." 1719 01:30:34,002 --> 01:30:35,800 First of all, he broke the back door down 1720 01:30:35,905 --> 01:30:36,837 to get in before... 1721 01:30:36,939 --> 01:30:37,997 Okay. Wait a minute. What's your name? 1722 01:30:38,107 --> 01:30:39,165 Nicole Simpson. 1723 01:30:39,308 --> 01:30:41,902 Okay. Is he the sportscaster or whatever? 1724 01:30:42,111 --> 01:30:43,169 - Yeah. - Okay. 1725 01:30:43,278 --> 01:30:44,246 Thank you. 1726 01:30:44,380 --> 01:30:45,813 My ex-girlfriend approached him on the movie set 1727 01:30:45,948 --> 01:30:47,608 and said some very disparaging things 1728 01:30:47,716 --> 01:30:49,048 about Nicole and myself, 1729 01:30:49,751 --> 01:30:52,380 so I knewthat O.J. Was gonna take it out on Nicole. 1730 01:30:52,822 --> 01:30:53,846 Wait a minute, we're sending police. 1731 01:30:53,956 --> 01:30:55,082 What is he doing? Is he threatening you? 1732 01:30:55,791 --> 01:30:57,349 I... He's fucking going nuts. 1733 01:30:58,260 --> 01:31:00,990 You're gonna hear him in a minute. He's about to come in again. 1734 01:31:01,162 --> 01:31:02,152 Okay, just stay on the line... 1735 01:31:02,298 --> 01:31:03,196 I don't wanna stay on the line. 1736 01:31:03,299 --> 01:31:04,391 He's gonna beat the shit out of me. 1737 01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:05,928 Wait a minute, would you? Just stay on the line, 1738 01:31:06,035 --> 01:31:08,265 so we can know what's going on 'til the police get there, okay? 1739 01:31:08,771 --> 01:31:09,396 (Nicole sighs) 1740 01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:12,974 It wasn't until years later that I actually sat down, 1741 01:31:13,075 --> 01:31:14,906 and I had even listened to the 911 call. 1742 01:31:15,344 --> 01:31:18,643 I knew different voices for Nicole, and she wasn't mad, 1743 01:31:19,180 --> 01:31:20,045 she definitely wasn't drunk. 1744 01:31:20,983 --> 01:31:22,007 She's terrified. 1745 01:31:22,117 --> 01:31:25,417 And that was heartbreaking. That was heartbreaking. 1746 01:31:25,855 --> 01:31:26,685 - Okay, Nicole. - Uh-huh? 1747 01:31:27,790 --> 01:31:29,121 Just a moment. Does he have any weapons? 1748 01:31:29,425 --> 01:31:30,255 I don't know. 1749 01:31:30,893 --> 01:31:31,723 Okay. 1750 01:31:31,894 --> 01:31:33,088 He went home, and now he's back. 1751 01:31:33,429 --> 01:31:36,728 The kids are up there sleeping, and I don't want anything to happen. 1752 01:31:36,866 --> 01:31:37,957 Okay, just a moment. 1753 01:31:39,268 --> 01:31:41,202 When you hear O.J.'s voice, what do you hear? 1754 01:31:43,205 --> 01:31:44,069 Rage. 1755 01:31:53,314 --> 01:31:54,805 Is he inside right now? 1756 01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:56,314 - Yes. Yes. - Okay, just a moment. 1757 01:32:02,191 --> 01:32:06,251 All units, a domestic violence at 325 Gretna Green Way... 1758 01:32:06,462 --> 01:32:08,725 (Indistinct shouting) 1759 01:32:09,331 --> 01:32:11,196 O.J., the kids are sleeping. 1760 01:32:21,811 --> 01:32:23,210 Is he upset with something that you did? 1761 01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,738 Oh, a long time ago. It always comes back. 1762 01:32:30,052 --> 01:32:31,814 Has this happened before or no? 1763 01:32:31,987 --> 01:32:32,817 Many times. 1764 01:32:32,955 --> 01:32:33,785 Okay. 1765 01:32:37,827 --> 01:32:38,794 The police should be on the way. 1766 01:32:38,894 --> 01:32:39,952 It just seems like a long time 1767 01:32:40,095 --> 01:32:43,030 because it's kind of busy in that division right now. 1768 01:32:49,071 --> 01:32:53,201 When she left him for good, she called me, and she's like, 1769 01:32:53,341 --> 01:32:55,742 "Yep, this is it, Robin." 1770 01:32:56,345 --> 01:33:00,076 She said, "This is it. I'm done. I'm done." 1771 01:33:00,182 --> 01:33:02,343 She goes, "I don't even... I have no feeling for him whatsoever anymore. 1772 01:33:02,451 --> 01:33:03,281 It's just over." 1773 01:33:04,420 --> 01:33:07,218 She was free, and she was happy without him, 1774 01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:11,823 and I think he knew it was really over. 1775 01:33:15,164 --> 01:33:17,826 The day she changed, it was like a light switch. 1776 01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:22,031 He spiraled, from that day on. Everything was different. 1777 01:33:22,571 --> 01:33:25,131 Who he was, that persona, everything was gone. 1778 01:33:26,242 --> 01:33:31,975 She wasn't chasing him anymore and it... it spun him out. 1779 01:33:33,549 --> 01:33:36,541 We all believed that right toward the very end when, uh, 1780 01:33:36,852 --> 01:33:38,513 they had split up, after Mother's Day, 1781 01:33:38,821 --> 01:33:40,412 that Nicole was not seeing Marcus again. 1782 01:33:40,890 --> 01:33:42,414 I absolutely believed that she was. 1783 01:33:43,292 --> 01:33:45,157 And O.J. Told Nicole, 1784 01:33:45,260 --> 01:33:47,286 "You ever see Marcus again, I will kill you." 1785 01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:54,563 This was obviously "I'm... I'm gonna get back at you, O.J. 1786 01:33:54,970 --> 01:33:57,131 I don't care what it takes, I'm gonna humiliate you." 1787 01:34:00,009 --> 01:34:01,305 If she did it, 1788 01:34:01,609 --> 01:34:04,909 it was more for her own personal rebellion, 1789 01:34:05,414 --> 01:34:07,882 it was more for her saying to herself, 1790 01:34:08,483 --> 01:34:12,010 "I'm gonna date who I want, I'm gonna go where I want, 1791 01:34:12,153 --> 01:34:15,817 I'm gonna be friends with who I want. I'm free. 1792 01:34:16,591 --> 01:34:19,823 You have lost me, O.J. Watch me run." 1793 01:34:22,898 --> 01:34:24,456 I think there was something about her 1794 01:34:24,599 --> 01:34:27,966 that was almost unattainable to him. 1795 01:34:29,939 --> 01:34:32,339 Something that he couldn't quite control. 1796 01:34:38,107 --> 01:34:41,234 And I think that that was part of the attraction. 1797 01:34:41,234 --> 01:34:45,898 And I think, in the final analysis, that's what got her killed. 142851

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