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ANNOUNCER: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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Recently, we were astonished
to discover that according
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to one medical researcher,
50% of all Americans
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who have lost a
loved one say they
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have later been
visited by that loved
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one from beyond the grave.
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After her husband, John,
died, Patti Eggleston
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insists that on several
occasions he appeared to her
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and endowed her with the
strength to carry on.
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In 1984, 18-year-old Paige Roark
left home for an evening out.
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Six hours later, she was
killed by a drunk driver.
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Incredibly, Paige's mother and
grandmother both claim they
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were visited by Paige's spirit.
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Hallucination, or a remarkable,
unexplained phenomenon?
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When a nurse named Kathleen
Belcher began talking
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to her mother about
blood types, she never
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dreamed the conversation
would spring the lock
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on a deeply held secret--
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her mother's post
World War II romance
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and the true identity of
Kathleen's biological father.
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Join me for these
fascinating stories.
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Perhaps you may be able
to help solve a mystery.
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What happens beyond the
grave, when life is over?
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Despite a myriad of
religious beliefs,
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there seems to be one
surprising area of consensus.
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According to a noted
medical researcher,
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7 out of 10 widows and
widowers in the United States
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report that their
spouses have come
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back to visit them after death.
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Hallucination, or does
the bond of matrimony
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transcend the grave?
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January 28, 1989, John and Patti
Eggleston, along with their two
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young sons, Johnny and
Chris, were packing up
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after a day of skiing.
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Ahead lay a 70-mile drive to
their home in a Seattle suburb.
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Everything was calm,
routine, normal.
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OK, guys, as soon
as we get home,
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I want you right in bed, OK?
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OK.
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Honey, they'll be
sound asleep before we
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ever pull in the driveway.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Then, disaster.
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[crashing]
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The Eggleston's car
careened off this bridge
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and plummeted into the
river below, a freefall
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of more than 80 feet.
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It was pitch dark.
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The car rapidly
filled with icy water.
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Patti Eggleston
was badly injured.
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Yet at the moment she
might have panicked,
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Patti was suffused with
an inexplicable calm.
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I had this feeling
come through me
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and fill me and fill every
pore, every cell of my being
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with warmth and love.
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It was pure love,
and it was guidance.
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And that feeling gave me the
knowledge and the strength
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to do what I needed to do next.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Patti did
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not at first realize
that her husband,
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John, had died on impact.
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But she came to believe that
it was John's spirit, even
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after death, which inspired her,
gave her the strength to break
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free and rescue her boys.
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Johnny and Christopher were
saved by the heroic efforts
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of their mother and
a brave passerby who
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plunged into the river to help.
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After a brief stay
in the hospital,
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Patti Eggleston returned home
and struggled to be strong.
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Patti says that when
things seemed bleakest,
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she once again
sensed John's spirit.
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At first it was at
night, in the bedroom.
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I was woken up from a
sound sleep with the feeling
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that John had just been there.
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I could feel him.
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I could smell him.
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I could feel where
he was in the bed.
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The only sensation I
didn't have was visual.
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I did not see him.
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Every other part of it
I felt and experienced.
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And it was not a dream.
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It was too real to be a dream.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Eventually,
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a Seattle physician,
Melvin Morse,
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heard about Patti Eggleston.
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Dr. Morse has documented
hundreds of after-death visits
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and believes that
such visits actually
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happen, that they are
not simply the product
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of overactive imaginations.
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I feel that the fact
that these experiences are
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emotionally dynamic, that
they help to heal grief,
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and that people learn from
them are a powerful piece
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of circumstantial
evidence-- and I grant
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that it's circumstantial--
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but a powerful piece of
circumstantial evidence
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that that experience
is at least as real
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as any other human experience.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
For Patti, John's presence
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became more and more real.
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Finally, he appeared
in bodily form.
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PATTI: I was sitting
in my living room
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and had the lights on.
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And I was sitting on the
couch, reading a book.
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I just kind of glanced
up, and John was there.
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I couldn't touch him,
but I could see him.
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And he started
communicating to me.
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And I say communicating
because he
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was not talking with his lips.
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SPIRIT: I think Johnny is
beginning to feel better.
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I think so, too.
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PATTI: But it was
a conversation.
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It was a two-way conversation.
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He was talking to me.
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I was talking to him.
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I don't know if I
can do this alone.
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SPIRIT: I'm here to
tell you that you can.
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There a reason you survived.
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Remember to trust.
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You'll always know what to do.
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Thank you.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Patti says that John's visits
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continued for nearly a year.
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Looking back, I know it was--
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he didn't come any more after
I had gotten my life together.
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I was OK.
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I was truly OK.
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Things were still rough.
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I was still hurting.
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But I had gained enough
strength, personal strength,
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that I could go on without him.
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And he wasn't there anymore.
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Despite Patti Eggleston's
obvious sincerity,
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her experience could be written
off as a spouse's grief-induced
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hallucination.
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But widows and widowers
are not the only ones
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who report after-death visits.
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In fact, some studies claim that
more than 50% of the population
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has experienced this phenomenon.
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Many are afraid to
talk about it openly,
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but the family of
18-year-old Paige Roark
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agreed to share their story.
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CYNTHIA ROARK:
Paige was our baby.
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And we were just so
pleased to have her.
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She was a fun child.
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She loved people, even from
when she was a little girl.
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There was a sparkle in her
eyes and in her demeanor.
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Bye, mom.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On
the afternoon of April 14, 1984,
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Paige Colleen Roark
left her house
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in Fall Brook, California,
for an outing with friends.
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Forget something?
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I love you, Mom.
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I love you, too.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Six hours
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later, Paige Roark was dead.
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She and one of her friends had
been killed when a drunk driver
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smashed into their car.
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CYNTHIA ROARK: I have never
felt so helpless and hopeless
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and out of control in my life.
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It was as though my
heart was crushed.
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You can't see the scars on
me because they're inside.
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It's almost as if I've marked
my life from the moment
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I was told that she was dead.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Cynthia tried
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to escape her grief by running.
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It was an activity for which she
and Paige had a shared passion.
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Two days after
the crash, Cynthia
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left her house at 5:00 AM.
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She ran for more than an hour.
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Then as dawn was breaking--
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CYNTHIA ROARK: I was
coming back towards home,
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and there were rays of sunshine
coming down through the trees.
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And they were beautiful.
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I stopped.
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And, you know, I looked up into
that light, and I was blinded.
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It was like it was just white.
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And then I heard Paige.
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SPIRIT: I'm OK, Mom.
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I can see through that light.
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I'm with the Lord, and I'm OK.
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Paige.
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CYNTHIA ROARK: I remember
a feeling of joy, of peace.
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I didn't expect it.
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I didn't try to have it happen.
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I feel that at the point
I was, I was extremely,
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extremely devastated.
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And it turned my whole
thinking around at that point.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Later, Cynthia
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would be stunned to find out
that her mother, who lived
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1,000 miles away
in Denver, had had
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an even more vivid experience.
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I love you, Grandma.
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Paige?
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Yes.
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I'm OK.
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You are?
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Yes, and so is Momom.
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DOROTHY STERLING: And she
said, I have seen Momom.
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That's my mother.
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SPIRIT: And I'm going
to take care of her.
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I had never told
anyone I'd had this.
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I thought maybe they would think
something was wrong with me.
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But it was very clear to
me that I had a vision.
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I love you, Grandma.
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DOROTHY STERLING: And she was
just so beautiful and perfect.
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And here we were,
worried about her.
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And she was comforting us
all the time, comforting me.
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I'm OK.
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DOROTHY STERLING: And
it was just very real.
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And I know it happened.
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I know it in my heart.
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Prior to my research, these
experiences have been thought
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to simply be grief-induced
hallucinations,
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passive fantasies of
the mind, struggling
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to deal with a terrible loss.
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The difference is
that I'm saying
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that death-related visions
and post-death visitations
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are real.
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They're emotionally dynamic.
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We can learn things from them.
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They're actually an interaction
between the person who has died
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and the person who
is seeing the vision.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Dr. Barry
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Beyerstein, a physiological
psychologist, disagrees.
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I believe these
people are telling us
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some very interesting things.
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I think they're telling
us honest recollections
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of what it seemed like to them.
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And so I'm interested
in their experiences.
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Now I don't interpret them
probably the way they do.
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I think these are things that
seemed incredibly real to them,
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but probably didn't exist in
reality, outside the theater
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of their own minds.
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I don't want to be
perceived as a nut case.
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But it is important.
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It's very important for people
out there to hear this story,
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if it helps one person.
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And I'll share this
story, and I'll
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continue to share it for
whoever ever needs to hear it.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Is there any way
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to explain what happened
to the families of John
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Eggleston and Paige Roark?
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Paige?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Can the dead return?
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Or are after-death
visits simply the
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echo of a strong, earthly love?
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Perhaps we will never
know the answers.
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Perhaps it does not matter.
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As Albert Einstein once said,
"the greatest experience
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we can have is the mysterious."
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[theme music]
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On August 3, 1957, the streets
around Saint Bonaventure's
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Monastery in Detroit,
Michigan, swelled
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with some 10,000 mourners.
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It was one of the largest
funerals in the city's history.
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The inspiration for
this massive outpouring
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was not the death of a powerful
cardinal or archbishop,
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but rather the passing
of a humble friar
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named Father Solanus Casey.
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For more than 50
years, Father Solanus
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was a church
receptionist and doorman,
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one of the lowest
ranking priests
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in the Catholic hierarchy.
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Father Solanus was a man
who really cared for people.
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And when people came to him
with their worries and fears
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and pains, he had
a way of simply
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giving them courage to live
their life the way it was.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Those whose lives
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were touched by Father
Solanus claimed that he
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said at the right hand of God.
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To them, Solanus was
a miracle worker.
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Even today, some still turn
to Father Solanus for help
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when facing a medical crisis.
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DAVID WITKOP: I do believe
my prayer to Father Solanus
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was answered.
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It's the first time
my prayers have
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really been answered like
that, in such a dramatic way.
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I'm still in awe of
what had happened.
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I have no other
explanation for it.
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Joanne, the
mammogram was positive.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In the fall of 1990,
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David Witkop's wife Joanne
developed a lump in her breast.
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I think we should
move quickly.
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I'd like to set it up
as soon as possible.
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We were concerned whether
this density could be a cancer.
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We weren't sure what
we were dealing with.
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So medically, you have
to do a biopsy to see,
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is it benign or malignant?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): An
appointment with a surgeon
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was scheduled immediately.
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When David and Joanne
arrived at the hospital,
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they happened upon
a small prayer room.
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There hung a portrait
of Father Solanus Casey.
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I was very desperate.
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And I just prayed
to Father Solanus
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that there would
be no more surgery.
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And I just wanted Joanne
not to have this kind
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of operation at all anymore.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Joanne was wheeled into surgery,
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and David prepared for
a long, anxious wait.
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David?
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Joanne?
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DAVID WITKOP: I looked
up, and it was Joanne
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out in the hallway there.
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I thought, well,
maybe they're taking
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her down for surgery now.
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Hello, Mr. Witkop.
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Hello, Doctor.
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We did another series
of x-rays on your wife.
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There's no sign of a mass.
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What does that mean?
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Well, we took
another set of x-rays
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today to locate the
mass for the surgery,
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but the plates were clean.
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They didn't reveal any mass.
It's over.
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David prayed to God that
I wouldn't have surgery.
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And his prayers were answered,
even though a half hour
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before it looked hopeless.
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And I believe that
Solanus and God saw
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fit to have a healing that day.
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Miracles aren't usually things
that I'm comfortable with.
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I don't look for them.
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I don't expect them.
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I'm not a miracle worker.
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I think Joanne believes
it was a miracle,
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and that's good enough
for her in my mind.
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All I know is it went
away, and she's better.
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And I'm thankful for it.
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Science has coined
the term spontaneous
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remission to account
for sudden recoveries
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like Joanne Witkop's.
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But the faithful see
her case as one more
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example of the marvelous healing
powers of Father Solanus Casey.
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A petition to declare Father
Solanus a saint is currently
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before the Vatican, a stunning
tribute to a one-time Wisconsin
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farm boy named Bernard Casey.
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Bernard Casey was born in 1870,
one of 16 brothers and sisters.
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At the age of 21, he
was moved to dedicate
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his life to the church.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Bernard
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was accepted at a seminary
in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
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where classes were taught
in German and Latin.
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Bernard, who had not even
completed high school,
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struggled from the start.
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Bernard was ultimately
asked to withdraw.
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He later enrolled in
the Capuchin Seminary
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in Detroit, where he was given
the name, Father Solanus.
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Here, too, he floundered
miserably in his studies.
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Father Solanus was
one of these people who
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had difficulty remembering
the question and answers
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and theology and so on.
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And as a result, he
never really passed all
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the tests in his seminary days.
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[speaking latin]
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Once again,
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Solanus was close to failure.
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But a few of his
superiors recognized
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his spiritual character
and proposed a compromise.
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Solanus was ordained, but he was
barred from hearing confession,
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preaching a sermon, or teaching
the doctrine, all the most
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cherished duties of a priest.
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This was a rather
humiliating thing,
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but I think he accepted
it as God's will.
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And that act of
humility then made him
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more pleasing in God's sight.
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And so God could work
great things through him.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
After his ordination in 1904,
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Father Solanus was
sent to New York.
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Father, may I have
a word with you?
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Yes, what is troubling you?
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It's my daughter, Father.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Day in and day
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out, he would greet
the parishioners
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at a church in Yonkers.
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Soon, it was Father Solanus
that the people came to see.
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Well, I'm afraid.
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You must trust
God when you pray.
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He will hear you.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Father Solanus served
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in New York for 20 years.
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By the time he was transferred
to Saint Bonaventure's
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in Detroit, many
had come to regard
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Solanus as a divine
healer with the power
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to intercede with God.
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Oh, Doctor, thank
goodness you're here.
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Now where is the boy?
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Right upstairs.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Perhaps the most extraordinary
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cure ascribed to
Solanus came in the case
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of 12-year-old Charles Rogers.
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His sister, Helen, eight
years old at the time,
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remembers vividly.
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In 1935, we had the
polio epidemic in Detroit.
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And at that time,
my brother came down
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with a severe headache and
stiffness of the neck that went
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down into his arms and legs.
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And eventually, he
ended up with spasms.
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He would shake.
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His body would shake.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Dr. Ronald Aethee
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was one of Detroit's
top polio specialists.
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It didn't take him long
to make the diagnosis.
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What can we do?
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Nothing, but we must get
him to the hospital, tonight.
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HELEN GLEESON: Dad wouldn't
hear of it right away.
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He wanted to, you know,
see if things would change.
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Father Solanus,
Father Solanus,
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pardon me for interrupting you.
But--
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
One of Mr. Rogers' employees
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heard about Charles's
plight and went
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straight to father Solanus.
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Will you please
pray for him, Father?
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I know you have the
power to make him better.
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Will you pray for
him, Father, please?
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Don't worry.
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He will be better tonight.
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[bell chiming]
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Helen Gleeson
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says her brother underwent
a miraculous transformation
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that very night.
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Dad?
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Mom?
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Charles?
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Charles, is that you?
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How are you feeling?
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All right.
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Let's get you back to bed.
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Come on.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Dr. Aethee
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returned, skeptical
that Charles's condition
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could possibly have improved.
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Look at you.
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Now give me your hand.
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Put it up against mine.
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Now push my hand back.
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HELEN GLEESON: He told him to
put his hand up against his
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and push, and do the
same with the other hand.
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And his muscles were moving.
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The paralysis seemed to leave.
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His paralyzed muscles
seemed to get better.
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And walk over to me.
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HELEN GLEESON: And Dr.
Aethee said, Mr. Rogers,
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you did more than pray.
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It's a miracle.
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He says, this,
indeed, is a miracle.
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And medical men do
not use that term.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
According to Helen,
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Charles recovered
fully within a month.
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He lived to be 64 years old
and was never again troubled
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by any symptom of polio.
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Father Solanus Casey retired
in 1956 at the age of 85.
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Until his death
the following year,
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medical problems caused
him great suffering,
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though he complained little.
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His skin became
very red and scaly.
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At times, it was very burning.
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So it was very painful to him.
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So at the end of his life,
his body, one of the witnesses
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described it.
He was as red as a lobster.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In 1966, Farther Solanus
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was proposed as a candidate for
sainthood, a formal procedure
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that often takes decades.
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In 1987, 30 years after
Solanus Casey's death,
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his body was exhumed
to allow church
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officials to look for signs that
might validate canonization.
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While his hands and his
face were somewhat darkened,
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the rest of his body was
very natural looking.
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And, in fact, the doctor even
pressed, and it was pliable.
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But there was no sign of any
skin disease of any kind.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Usually, after 30 years,
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there will be significant
decomposition.
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The stunning condition of
Solanus Casey's body reported
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by church officials
is said to be
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characteristic of some
candidates for sainthood.
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Following the
ritual examination,
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the body of Father Solanus was
placed in a special sanctuary
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within Saint Bonaventure's.
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As he did in life,
Father Solanus
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continues to draw pilgrims
and inspire believers
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from around the world.
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To me, a lot of times,
just myself praying to God,
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I need help.
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Or I might need an interpreter,
if I can put it that way.
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And I think he does
help people do that.
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I'm very sick, Father.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Was Father Solanus
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a divinely-inspired
miracle worker
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who somehow had the ear of God?
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Or can his cures be explained
in more earthly terms?
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In the end, like the
mystery of faith itself,
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the only answer is in
the eye of the beholder.
499
00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:56,889
In a moment, when a
well-regarded family's secret
500
00:25:56,989 --> 00:26:00,326
is revealed, a woman embarks on
a search for her birth father.
501
00:26:10,937 --> 00:26:13,840
In May of 1988 in
Plant City, Florida,
502
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:17,276
a hospital nurse named Kathleen
Belcher received an urgent call
503
00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:19,445
from her mother, Miriam.
504
00:26:19,545 --> 00:26:22,581
Kathleen's stepfather was
about to have major surgery
505
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:24,183
and needed several
pints of blood
506
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:25,618
from both Kathleen
and her sister.
507
00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:26,953
Yes, I know.
508
00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:29,388
But Bill's mostly afraid of
the blood transfusion, AIDS,
509
00:26:29,488 --> 00:26:30,690
you know, things like that.
510
00:26:30,790 --> 00:26:31,991
He wants us to donate blood.
511
00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:33,259
Well, what's his blood type?
512
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,393
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Kathleen
513
00:26:34,493 --> 00:26:35,527
was only too happy to help.
514
00:26:35,628 --> 00:26:37,196
I'm A positive.
I could give him some of mine.
515
00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:38,097
What are you?
516
00:26:38,197 --> 00:26:39,598
Are you A, too?
517
00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:41,433
No, no, I'm B.
518
00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:43,535
Oh, I guess maybe it
was Daddy who was A.
519
00:26:44,837 --> 00:26:45,738
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Kathleen never dreamed
520
00:26:45,838 --> 00:26:47,439
that this conversation
with her mother
521
00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:50,509
would prompt an
extraordinary revelation.
522
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:51,410
Are you sure?
523
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:53,012
Yes, I'm sure.
524
00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:54,513
Your father was an O.
525
00:26:55,748 --> 00:26:56,883
KATHLEEN BELCHER: And I
said, that's impossible,
526
00:26:56,983 --> 00:26:58,350
because I have A positive.
527
00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:00,086
And I have to have one
of your blood types.
528
00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:06,192
Every person has to
have either their mother
529
00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:08,160
or their father's blood type.
530
00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:11,297
And obviously, I did not.
531
00:27:11,397 --> 00:27:15,234
I had A. And the man that raised
me and I thought was my father
532
00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:18,905
had O. And my mother has B.
533
00:27:19,005 --> 00:27:21,273
My heart went down to my feet.
534
00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:27,246
And I thought, you know, all
these years, and now this.
535
00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:29,648
My secret will be out.
536
00:27:29,749 --> 00:27:34,320
Kathleen, I don't want to
talk about this anymore, OK?
537
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:35,621
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Miriam Terry
538
00:27:35,722 --> 00:27:38,324
had inadvertently revealed
a secret she had kept hidden
539
00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:42,228
for nearly 40 years, the
true identity of Kathleen's
540
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:43,429
biological father.
541
00:27:46,098 --> 00:27:48,267
Miriam was thrown
back to the end
542
00:27:48,367 --> 00:27:50,602
of World War II, when
she made the most
543
00:27:50,703 --> 00:27:52,371
agonizing decision of her life.
544
00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:57,609
Miriam's first
husband, Bud Terry,
545
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:59,712
the man Kathleen
knew as her father,
546
00:27:59,812 --> 00:28:03,282
had flown dozens of
bombing missions overseas.
547
00:28:03,382 --> 00:28:07,353
After the war, Bud
was a changed man.
548
00:28:07,453 --> 00:28:09,922
Before he was in the service,
he was a wonderful man.
549
00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:13,025
When he came out of the service,
he was completely different.
550
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:16,028
Bud could not get jobs anymore
because every job he got,
551
00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:18,397
he would write bad
checks to customers
552
00:28:18,497 --> 00:28:22,168
and so on and so forth to pay
his bills, his gambling debts.
553
00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:24,937
And he was afraid
of even being killed
554
00:28:25,037 --> 00:28:29,108
because he owed gamblers.
555
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:31,110
That's the sweep.
556
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:32,912
Yeah, OK, you got a four.
557
00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:35,481
MIRIAM TERRY: Bud's
gambling was very bad.
558
00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:40,086
I don't really have any idea how
much he won, how much he lost.
559
00:28:40,186 --> 00:28:41,120
But he was always in debt.
560
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:42,021
Come on.
561
00:28:42,121 --> 00:28:42,922
Let's go.
562
00:28:43,022 --> 00:28:43,890
Here we go, all right.
563
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,528
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): In 1945,
564
00:28:49,628 --> 00:28:53,265
Miriam and Bud had a daughter,
Kathleen's older sister.
565
00:28:53,365 --> 00:28:57,269
In 1948, Bud reenlisted, hoping
military discipline would
566
00:28:57,369 --> 00:28:59,638
restore some order to his life.
567
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:01,207
It did not.
568
00:29:01,307 --> 00:29:04,476
Bud Terry went AWOL, leaving
Miriam and their young daughter
569
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:06,745
behind.
570
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:09,982
You've been alone
a long time, darling.
571
00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:14,120
And you really need to
think about going out.
572
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:15,087
Mom.
573
00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:16,255
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Miriam says
574
00:29:16,355 --> 00:29:17,656
Bud had been gone
for several months
575
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:22,228
when his parents began to
suggest Miriam start dating.
576
00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:24,964
They even introduced her to
Chet Norris, the bartender
577
00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:28,700
at their local social club
in Covington, Kentucky.
578
00:29:28,801 --> 00:29:30,870
He's been looking at you.
579
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:32,939
MIRIAM TERRY: I didn't know
much about him at the time.
580
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,306
He was very nice looking.
581
00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:35,842
He had dark eyes.
582
00:29:35,942 --> 00:29:40,246
I want to introduce you to
Miriam, our daughter-in-law.
583
00:29:40,346 --> 00:29:41,647
How do you do?
584
00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:43,983
Hi.
585
00:29:44,083 --> 00:29:45,384
MIRIAM TERRY: He had
a good personality.
586
00:29:45,484 --> 00:29:50,522
He was just very nice, and he
seemed to be attracted to me.
587
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:53,725
I really didn't even feel like
a woman anymore at this time.
588
00:29:53,826 --> 00:29:56,829
I felt deserted, like
I was unattractive,
589
00:29:56,929 --> 00:29:59,031
like I was nothing.
590
00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,533
So, uh, what do
you like to do?
591
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:02,434
Hmm?
592
00:30:02,534 --> 00:30:05,137
For fun?
593
00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:06,939
- I like to dance.
- Oh.
594
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,340
I-- I love to dance.
595
00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:12,378
Do you dance?
596
00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:14,113
- Uh, no.
- Hmm?
597
00:30:14,213 --> 00:30:15,047
Well, not very well.
598
00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:16,382
Oh.
599
00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,017
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
From its tentative beginnings,
600
00:30:18,117 --> 00:30:20,252
Miriam and Chet's friendship
quickly blossomed.
601
00:30:20,352 --> 00:30:22,254
He takes care of a few horses.
602
00:30:22,354 --> 00:30:24,823
MIRIAM TERRY: I wanted a
divorce from my husband,
603
00:30:24,924 --> 00:30:26,993
and I wanted to marry Chet.
604
00:30:27,093 --> 00:30:29,728
And he wanted to marry me.
605
00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:30,796
I have some really good news.
606
00:30:30,897 --> 00:30:31,697
You do?
607
00:30:31,797 --> 00:30:34,100
Yeah, I got this job.
608
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,601
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Chet began to think
609
00:30:35,701 --> 00:30:37,436
about a future with Miriam.
610
00:30:37,536 --> 00:30:39,571
He quit his job at the
club and found work
611
00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:40,839
as an apprentice tile center.
612
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:42,208
You got the job.
613
00:30:42,308 --> 00:30:44,510
I'm so proud of you.
614
00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:46,645
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Six months flew by, then
615
00:30:46,745 --> 00:30:49,081
reality came crashing down.
616
00:30:49,181 --> 00:30:51,417
Miriam's husband, Bud
Terry, was arrested
617
00:30:51,517 --> 00:30:54,253
by military authorities.
618
00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:59,926
They had found him living with
another woman in Indianapolis,
619
00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:02,294
all this while.
620
00:31:02,394 --> 00:31:10,269
And I was so upset because I
did not want to go back to him
621
00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:12,939
that I didn't care what I did.
622
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,074
And I felt like I--
623
00:31:15,174 --> 00:31:19,178
I just lost my cool, I guess.
624
00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:20,512
And I got pregnant.
625
00:31:25,251 --> 00:31:26,352
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Miriam was
626
00:31:26,452 --> 00:31:29,588
in a quandary, pregnant,
and in love with a man who
627
00:31:29,688 --> 00:31:30,456
wasn't her husband.
628
00:31:34,961 --> 00:31:38,364
Can I tell you something?
629
00:31:38,464 --> 00:31:40,632
I'm not sure it's good news.
630
00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,401
Sure, of course, what is it?
631
00:31:42,501 --> 00:31:43,369
I'm pregnant.
632
00:31:43,469 --> 00:31:45,237
I-- I mean, I
think I'm pregnant.
633
00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:47,406
You can't be.
634
00:31:47,506 --> 00:31:49,508
I don't think I can have kids.
635
00:31:49,608 --> 00:31:51,210
Chet, I'm telling you.
636
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:53,079
I've been pregnant
before, remember?
637
00:31:53,179 --> 00:31:56,415
I-- I feel like I am.
638
00:31:56,515 --> 00:32:00,186
Well, if you are,
let's go get married.
639
00:32:00,286 --> 00:32:02,921
I mean, we've been talking
about get married, anyway.
640
00:32:03,022 --> 00:32:05,557
So let's do it.
641
00:32:05,657 --> 00:32:08,727
Well, I have to
divorce Bud first.
642
00:32:08,827 --> 00:32:10,096
That shouldn't be
a problem, should it?
643
00:32:17,203 --> 00:32:18,971
Miriam soon
visited Bud in jail.
644
00:32:19,071 --> 00:32:21,773
Hi, Miriam.
645
00:32:21,873 --> 00:32:23,242
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
She was determined
646
00:32:23,342 --> 00:32:24,143
to end their marriage.
647
00:32:24,243 --> 00:32:25,477
How are you?
648
00:32:25,577 --> 00:32:30,049
The only reason I'm here
is because I want a divorce.
649
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:34,420
Oh, Miriam, I'm
sorry for what I did.
650
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,289
Bud, I've met someone else.
651
00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:39,425
I love him, and he loves me.
652
00:32:39,525 --> 00:32:42,528
And we want to get married.
653
00:32:42,628 --> 00:32:43,829
No.
654
00:32:43,929 --> 00:32:45,897
Bud, you were the one
that left Debra and me.
655
00:32:45,998 --> 00:32:47,599
MIRIAM TERRY: Although my
husband had been gone all
656
00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:51,770
this while and I didn't
feel I loved him anymore,
657
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:55,274
I was worried about
losing my daughter.
658
00:32:55,374 --> 00:32:56,775
I'm back, and that's that.
659
00:32:56,875 --> 00:32:58,144
We are not getting divorced.
660
00:33:01,547 --> 00:33:05,217
Bud, I'm pregnant.
661
00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:06,685
Did-- did you hear what I said?
662
00:33:06,785 --> 00:33:08,320
I said that I am pregnant.
663
00:33:13,159 --> 00:33:18,530
MIRIAM TERRY: He bashed his
head against the wall and cried.
664
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:23,235
And then he said, I want
you to come back anyway.
665
00:33:23,335 --> 00:33:25,071
And nobody will
ever have to know.
666
00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:27,406
Just come back to me.
667
00:33:27,506 --> 00:33:31,210
So at this time, I felt
like I was between a rock
668
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:33,745
and a hard place.
669
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:35,381
What about the baby?
670
00:33:35,481 --> 00:33:38,650
What are you going to do
about that, tell Bud it's his?
671
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:40,719
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Miriam
decided that hiding the truth
672
00:33:40,819 --> 00:33:43,455
was the only way out of
the emotional tangle.
673
00:33:43,555 --> 00:33:46,625
She told Chet that she was
not pregnant after all.
674
00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:48,394
You're not pregnant?
675
00:33:48,494 --> 00:33:50,162
Jeez, Miriam.
676
00:33:50,262 --> 00:33:53,199
Look, I know things are
very complicated right now.
677
00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:55,000
MIRIAM TERRY: It
was terribly hard,
678
00:33:55,101 --> 00:33:58,036
but I felt I had no choice.
679
00:33:58,137 --> 00:33:59,938
I felt I had to do that.
680
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:00,972
It was awful.
681
00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:02,274
It was really awful.
682
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:03,975
What was I supposed to do,
just take Debra and leave?
683
00:34:04,076 --> 00:34:05,911
Yeah, we take Debra and leave.
684
00:34:06,011 --> 00:34:06,912
Oh, be reasonable.
685
00:34:07,012 --> 00:34:07,813
I can't.
686
00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:09,014
You can't just sit there.
687
00:34:09,115 --> 00:34:10,116
You have to do something.
688
00:34:10,216 --> 00:34:12,784
I am doing something.
689
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:15,821
I'm staying here
with Debra and Bud.
690
00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:21,860
MIRIAM TERRY: He was very
upset and very angry and said,
691
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,796
this is going to happen
again and again and again.
692
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:26,132
You'll see.
693
00:34:26,232 --> 00:34:27,966
Your life is just going
to be one of misery.
694
00:34:33,172 --> 00:34:38,644
I never heard anything
about him ever anymore.
695
00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:41,213
It was like he dropped off
of the face of the Earth.
696
00:34:43,982 --> 00:34:45,117
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Bud Terry
697
00:34:45,217 --> 00:34:47,719
was released from jail after
Miriam wrote to a judge,
698
00:34:47,819 --> 00:34:49,688
begging for clemency.
699
00:34:49,788 --> 00:34:53,325
Kathleen was born on
February 12, 1950.
700
00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:58,397
And true to his word, Bud
raised her as his own.
701
00:34:58,497 --> 00:35:00,432
He never gave me
any indication that he
702
00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:02,768
knew that I was not his.
703
00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:06,104
There was no way that I
would ever have known.
704
00:35:06,205 --> 00:35:08,039
In fact, I have
renewed respect for him
705
00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:09,375
because he never let me know.
706
00:35:09,475 --> 00:35:12,478
He always loved me
and loved me equal.
707
00:35:12,578 --> 00:35:15,981
And we spent a lot
of time together.
708
00:35:16,081 --> 00:35:17,283
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Bud struggled
709
00:35:17,383 --> 00:35:18,884
to make his marriage work.
710
00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:20,852
But his addiction to
gambling kept the family
711
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,954
on the brink of bankruptcy.
712
00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:26,658
In 1969, he and Miriam
finally divorced.
713
00:35:26,758 --> 00:35:29,628
Miriam remarried in 1974.
714
00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:32,564
But Terry committed
suicide around that time,
715
00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:36,768
and Miriam assumed her
secret would be safe forever.
716
00:35:36,868 --> 00:35:40,005
More than a decade would pass
before circumstance forced
717
00:35:40,105 --> 00:35:43,309
her to tell Kathleen the truth.
718
00:35:43,409 --> 00:35:46,077
Well, I don't know
about things like that.
719
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:48,947
MIRIAM TERRY: I would have
taken the secret to my grave.
720
00:35:49,047 --> 00:35:54,119
But since it's my fault, because
of me that this happened,
721
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:59,124
I want to help her,
because I love my daughter.
722
00:35:59,225 --> 00:36:00,025
Hello.
723
00:36:00,125 --> 00:36:01,427
Is this the Norris residence?
724
00:36:01,527 --> 00:36:03,229
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
With her mother's blessings,
725
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:06,698
Kathleen Belcher has spent six
years searching for her father
726
00:36:06,798 --> 00:36:09,568
using social security
records, classified ads,
727
00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:10,969
and computer hot lines.
728
00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,672
Do you know anybody, or do you
have a relative, with the name
729
00:36:13,772 --> 00:36:14,873
of Chet Lee Norris?
730
00:36:14,973 --> 00:36:16,275
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Kathleen
731
00:36:16,375 --> 00:36:19,311
has phoned literally hundreds
of Norris's across the country.
732
00:36:19,411 --> 00:36:22,180
But today she is no closer to
seeing her father than when
733
00:36:22,281 --> 00:36:23,181
she first began to look.
734
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:26,985
All I can tell you is he
was very dark complected,
735
00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:28,287
dark hair, dark eyes.
736
00:36:28,387 --> 00:36:29,621
KATHLEEN BELCHER: I
just hope I can find
737
00:36:29,721 --> 00:36:31,490
him before he does pass away.
738
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:33,191
It would be terrible
to know that he
739
00:36:33,292 --> 00:36:38,597
just passed away months ago, and
I missed my chance to know him.
740
00:36:38,697 --> 00:36:41,066
It may seem that I'm calm
about the whole circumstance,
741
00:36:41,166 --> 00:36:43,335
but deep down I'm not.
742
00:36:43,435 --> 00:36:45,971
I think about it day and night.
743
00:36:46,071 --> 00:36:48,173
I think of what it would
be like to look in his face
744
00:36:48,274 --> 00:36:49,608
and see my face.
745
00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,744
It would be nice to see where I
got my nose, which doesn't look
746
00:36:52,844 --> 00:36:56,815
like anybody's, where I got my
ears, just to look at somebody
747
00:36:56,915 --> 00:36:58,484
and see familiarity.
748
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,220
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
This is the only known
749
00:37:02,321 --> 00:37:04,189
photograph of Chet
Lee Norris, taken
750
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,458
when he was about 32 years old.
751
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,927
Today, he would
be in his mid-70s.
752
00:37:09,027 --> 00:37:12,931
Chet said he was a Golden
Gloves boxer during the 1940s.
753
00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:14,199
He may have had a
brother named John.
754
00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:21,707
When we return,
authorities need your help
755
00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:23,342
to track down a serial killer.
756
00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:34,820
Tonight, we have a case
of the utmost urgency.
757
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,089
Someone is murdering young
women in the Midwest.
758
00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:40,292
The authorities need your help.
759
00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:41,860
Please, watch closely.
760
00:37:44,696 --> 00:37:48,166
26-year-old Robin Fuldauer
of Indianapolis, Indiana,
761
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:52,471
wanted more than anything
to marry and start a family.
762
00:37:52,571 --> 00:37:56,241
On April 8, 1992, Robin
was found shot to death
763
00:37:56,342 --> 00:38:00,111
at the shoe store
where she worked.
764
00:38:00,211 --> 00:38:03,849
23-year-old Patricia Smith and
32-year-old Patricia Magers
765
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,617
were both happily married.
766
00:38:05,717 --> 00:38:10,822
They worked side by side at a
bridal shop in Wichita, Kansas.
767
00:38:10,922 --> 00:38:13,725
Just three days after Robin
Fuldauer was murdered,
768
00:38:13,825 --> 00:38:16,094
both Patricia Smith
and Patricia Magers
769
00:38:16,194 --> 00:38:21,066
were shot to death in the
back storeroom of the shop.
770
00:38:21,166 --> 00:38:24,336
24-year-old Nancy Kitzmiller
of Saint Charles, Missouri,
771
00:38:24,436 --> 00:38:26,805
had just recently qualified
to join a government
772
00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:30,809
mapmaking team and was
awaiting assignment.
773
00:38:30,909 --> 00:38:33,044
Three weeks after
the Wichita murders,
774
00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:36,047
Nancy Kitzmiller was shot
to death in the boot store
775
00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:39,351
where she worked as a manager.
776
00:38:39,451 --> 00:38:42,053
Four murders in three
different states, separated
777
00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:45,290
by more than 1,200
miles, at first glance,
778
00:38:45,391 --> 00:38:47,559
they seemed to be
random killings.
779
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,995
Yet each took place
at a shopping mall,
780
00:38:50,095 --> 00:38:53,198
just off Interstate 70
or a connecting highway.
781
00:38:53,298 --> 00:38:55,601
Indeed, there was a
pattern, after all.
782
00:38:58,937 --> 00:39:02,508
Raytown, Missouri, another
link in the deadly chain,
783
00:39:02,608 --> 00:39:05,310
a Woodson Village shopping
center near an access road
784
00:39:05,411 --> 00:39:10,416
to Interstate 70,
on May 7, 1992,
785
00:39:10,516 --> 00:39:13,452
37-year-old Sarah
Blessing was working alone
786
00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:16,855
in a gift shop at the mall.
787
00:39:16,955 --> 00:39:20,926
At 6:30 PM that day, a local
auctioneer noticed a stranger
788
00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:24,730
walking into his auction house.
789
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:29,835
The stranger looked around
briefly, then walked out again.
790
00:39:29,935 --> 00:39:32,538
Tim Hickman, who owned a
video store next to the gift
791
00:39:32,638 --> 00:39:34,372
shop where Sarah
Blessing worked,
792
00:39:34,473 --> 00:39:36,808
took notice as the man
crossed the parking lot
793
00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:38,109
and passed by his store.
794
00:39:40,779 --> 00:39:42,748
Minutes later, Tim
heard a loud pop
795
00:39:42,848 --> 00:39:44,750
that sounded like a gunshot.
796
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:47,052
He reached his front
door just as a man was
797
00:39:47,152 --> 00:39:49,888
disappearing around the corner.
798
00:39:49,988 --> 00:39:52,223
Right away, it registered
with Tim Hickman
799
00:39:52,323 --> 00:39:55,427
that this was the
stranger he had just seen.
800
00:39:55,527 --> 00:39:57,596
A grocery clerk,
collecting shopping carts,
801
00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:59,631
also noticed the stranger.
802
00:39:59,731 --> 00:40:02,200
She watched as he climbed the
embankment to an Interstate
803
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,637
70 access road and vanished.
804
00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:08,139
Meanwhile, Tim Hickman
grabbed a portable phone
805
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,709
and went next door
to the gift shop.
806
00:40:10,809 --> 00:40:12,611
I kind of looked
in through the door,
807
00:40:12,711 --> 00:40:14,980
and I didn't see anything.
808
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,017
And I was calling, ma'am, ma'am.
809
00:40:19,117 --> 00:40:21,487
And I stepped forward
a couple more steps,
810
00:40:21,587 --> 00:40:24,155
And then I saw her legs,
sticking out of the other room.
811
00:40:28,126 --> 00:40:29,495
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Sarah Blessing lay
812
00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:31,597
lifeless in a pool of blood.
813
00:40:31,697 --> 00:40:33,799
Tim Hickman immediately
called the police.
814
00:40:37,969 --> 00:40:41,106
In no time, the Raytown tragedy
was connected to the earlier
815
00:40:41,206 --> 00:40:42,541
shopping mall killings.
816
00:40:42,641 --> 00:40:46,478
A multistate task
force was formed.
817
00:40:46,578 --> 00:40:49,247
Ballistics tests confirmed that
all five women had been killed
818
00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:52,050
with the same gun, most
likely a semiautomatic,
819
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:55,220
.22-caliber pistol.
820
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,823
That gun was also linked to
the murder of another victim,
821
00:40:57,923 --> 00:40:59,558
this one a man.
822
00:40:59,658 --> 00:41:03,595
On April 27, 1992,
40-year-old Michael McCown
823
00:41:03,695 --> 00:41:05,196
of Terre Haute,
Indiana, had been
824
00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:07,332
killed in a shopping
mall ceramics store
825
00:41:07,432 --> 00:41:09,100
near Interstate 70.
826
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,170
There were now six victims.
827
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:14,272
The most promising
lead came from Wichita.
828
00:41:17,275 --> 00:41:19,878
Police believe the killer had
chosen the bridal shop there
829
00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:22,981
because he thought only a single
female clerk was in the store.
830
00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:23,882
Hi.
831
00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:27,185
Can I help you?
832
00:41:27,285 --> 00:41:28,119
Stay calm.
833
00:41:28,219 --> 00:41:29,120
What-- what do you want?
834
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:30,055
Stay calm.
835
00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:31,389
Let's just walk to
the back corner.
836
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:32,290
I've got money.
837
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:33,291
Do you want money?
838
00:41:33,391 --> 00:41:34,560
Anything you want.
839
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:36,161
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
He was probably surprised
840
00:41:36,261 --> 00:41:37,929
to find two women on duty.
841
00:41:38,029 --> 00:41:39,230
- Are you the only one here?
- Yes.
842
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,966
- Is there anybody else here?
- No, nobody here.
843
00:41:41,066 --> 00:41:42,701
- Where is your cash register?
- It's over there.
844
00:41:42,801 --> 00:41:43,702
You can have whatever you want.
845
00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:44,770
We're just going
to the back room.
846
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:45,737
I'm just going to tie
you up, all right?
847
00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:46,437
- Please, don't hurt us.
- Calm down.
848
00:41:46,538 --> 00:41:47,405
You can have the money.
849
00:41:47,505 --> 00:41:48,306
Just do what he says.
850
00:41:48,406 --> 00:41:49,307
That's right.
851
00:41:53,812 --> 00:41:55,647
[gunfire]
852
00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:58,516
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Moments
853
00:41:58,617 --> 00:42:00,118
later, a customer
arrived to pick
854
00:42:00,218 --> 00:42:01,687
up a cumberbun for his tuxedo.
855
00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:11,930
Hello?
856
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:13,264
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
He had no idea
857
00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:16,067
that Patricia Smith and Patricia
Magers had just been shot.
858
00:42:16,167 --> 00:42:16,968
Anybody here?
859
00:42:19,671 --> 00:42:20,471
Hey.
860
00:42:24,342 --> 00:42:25,543
Hey, man.
861
00:42:25,644 --> 00:42:27,045
I don't know what's going on
here, but I need to just--
862
00:42:27,145 --> 00:42:28,179
Wait a minute.
863
00:42:28,279 --> 00:42:29,915
I want you to come in
the back room with me.
864
00:42:30,015 --> 00:42:31,016
Look, man.
I can't go in the--
865
00:42:31,116 --> 00:42:32,450
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
866
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:33,585
I-- I-- just need to--
867
00:42:33,685 --> 00:42:34,853
I told you to come
in the back room.
868
00:42:34,953 --> 00:42:37,455
Hey, man, I can't
come in the back room.
869
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:38,857
I just want to get out of here.
870
00:42:38,957 --> 00:42:39,958
I didn't see nothing.
871
00:42:40,058 --> 00:42:41,426
I don't know nothing
that's going on here.
872
00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:42,493
I just-- I just want to--
873
00:42:42,594 --> 00:42:43,762
Shut up and get
the hell out of here
874
00:42:43,862 --> 00:42:46,732
then, and don't call the cops.
875
00:42:46,832 --> 00:42:48,399
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Inexplicably, the killer
876
00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:50,468
let the eyewitness go free.
877
00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:53,204
A short time later,
he called the police.
878
00:42:53,304 --> 00:42:56,041
Using his description, as
well as those of the Raytown
879
00:42:56,141 --> 00:42:58,443
eyewitness, the
police artist came up
880
00:42:58,543 --> 00:43:02,648
with this composite
drawing of the I-70 killer.
881
00:43:02,748 --> 00:43:06,184
The suspect is between 5 feet
8 inches and 6 feet tall,
882
00:43:06,284 --> 00:43:11,289
weighs around 170 pounds, and
seems to be 35 to 40 years old.
883
00:43:11,389 --> 00:43:13,659
He has reddish hair
and a high forehead
884
00:43:13,759 --> 00:43:16,161
and what witnesses
describe as lazy eyelids.
885
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:20,666
According to each
of the eyewitnesses,
886
00:43:20,766 --> 00:43:23,434
the suspect was neatly
dressed and clear cut.
887
00:43:23,534 --> 00:43:25,436
He appeared to be
almost in a trance,
888
00:43:25,536 --> 00:43:29,240
as if he were thinking
of something else.
889
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:30,475
It's important
for the audience
890
00:43:30,575 --> 00:43:33,144
to know that a serial
killer never stops.
891
00:43:33,244 --> 00:43:34,813
They may stop for
a period of time,
892
00:43:34,913 --> 00:43:36,381
but they never stop completely.
893
00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:38,717
And they will always
start up again.
894
00:43:38,817 --> 00:43:41,853
So we're trying to
find this person
895
00:43:41,953 --> 00:43:44,255
and stop this person
before we have six more.
896
00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,996
Now, tragically,
there are seven victims.
897
00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:52,831
After we filmed this
story, the murderer
898
00:43:52,931 --> 00:43:55,133
apparently struck again,
killing a young woman
899
00:43:55,233 --> 00:43:57,202
in Arlington, Texas.
900
00:43:57,302 --> 00:43:59,971
Although the bullet this time
did not come from the same gun,
901
00:44:00,071 --> 00:44:02,440
the MO is so similar
that police are virtually
902
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:06,211
sure it's the same man.
903
00:44:06,311 --> 00:44:09,881
Once again, the suspect is
between 35 and 40 years old,
904
00:44:09,981 --> 00:44:13,885
5 feet 8" to 6 feet tall,
with reddish or sandy hair
905
00:44:13,985 --> 00:44:14,853
and thin lips.
906
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:29,935
On our next "Unsolved
Mysteries," 30 years ago
907
00:44:30,035 --> 00:44:32,871
he was America's most
notorious criminal, Albert
908
00:44:32,971 --> 00:44:35,506
DeSalvo, the Boston Strangler.
909
00:44:35,606 --> 00:44:37,843
He confessed to killing
13 women in the city
910
00:44:37,943 --> 00:44:41,346
between 1962 and 1964.
911
00:44:41,446 --> 00:44:43,849
But many doubted
DeSalvo's story.
912
00:44:43,949 --> 00:44:45,216
And the night before
he had promised
913
00:44:45,316 --> 00:44:47,786
to tell the whole truth,
DeSalvo was stabbed
914
00:44:47,886 --> 00:44:50,355
to death in his prison cell.
915
00:44:50,455 --> 00:44:52,623
Somebody found out.
916
00:44:52,724 --> 00:44:56,728
Somebody didn't want
that interview happening.
917
00:44:56,828 --> 00:45:02,600
And I think they have said
before, dead men tell no tales.
918
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,303
Today, some believe
DeSalvo was innocent
919
00:45:05,403 --> 00:45:09,407
and that the real Boston
Strangler got away with murder.
920
00:45:09,507 --> 00:45:12,577
Join me next time for this
controversial investigation
921
00:45:12,677 --> 00:45:14,746
and more on
"Unsolved Mysteries."
922
00:45:14,846 --> 00:45:17,783
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