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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,534 --> 00:00:01,702 [music playing] 2 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 3 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 4 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 5 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:13,013 in recreating the events. 6 00:00:13,114 --> 00:00:15,316 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 7 00:00:20,721 --> 00:00:22,123 ROBERT STACK: In the early 1930s, 8 00:00:22,223 --> 00:00:24,258 two amateur prospectors in Wyoming 9 00:00:24,358 --> 00:00:26,860 chanced upon a baffling curiosity-- 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,631 the mummified remains of a tiny ancient human being. 11 00:00:30,731 --> 00:00:33,234 X-rays revealed what appeared to be a fully developed 12 00:00:33,334 --> 00:00:36,470 skeleton just 17 inches tall, about the height 13 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:38,306 of a coffee table. 14 00:00:38,406 --> 00:00:41,309 Could the artifact be evidence that a mythological race 15 00:00:41,409 --> 00:00:44,545 of supernatural beings, known as the little people, 16 00:00:44,645 --> 00:00:46,980 actually existed? 17 00:00:47,081 --> 00:00:51,185 In Mississippi, the tragic death of 18-year-old Andre Jones, 18 00:00:51,285 --> 00:00:52,753 the son of civil rights activists, 19 00:00:52,853 --> 00:00:56,224 is surrounded by a storm of controversy. 20 00:00:56,324 --> 00:01:00,828 In 1992, Jones was arrested at a routine sobriety checkpoint. 21 00:01:00,928 --> 00:01:04,532 But less than 36 hours later, he was dead. 22 00:01:04,632 --> 00:01:07,034 Authorities say he hung himself with a shoelace 23 00:01:07,135 --> 00:01:09,537 in the shower stall of his jail cell. 24 00:01:09,637 --> 00:01:13,374 Andre's parents say he was murdered. 25 00:01:13,474 --> 00:01:15,543 October 2, 1961. 26 00:01:15,643 --> 00:01:17,611 An 11-year-old, Alan [inaudible], 27 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:20,248 told his parents that someone had left a baby in their car, 28 00:01:20,348 --> 00:01:22,516 and they thought he was joking. 29 00:01:22,616 --> 00:01:25,052 Today, that baby is a grown woman 30 00:01:25,153 --> 00:01:28,256 searching for her birth mother. 31 00:01:28,356 --> 00:01:30,224 Also tonight, remarkable update. 32 00:01:30,324 --> 00:01:32,560 A landlord watching "Unsolved Mysteries" 33 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:35,095 is shocked to discover that one of his former tenants 34 00:01:35,196 --> 00:01:37,097 is wanted for murder. 35 00:01:37,198 --> 00:01:38,332 Join me. 36 00:01:38,432 --> 00:01:41,402 Perhaps you too may be able to help solve a mystery. 37 00:01:41,502 --> 00:01:44,872 [theme music] 38 00:02:40,561 --> 00:02:43,297 The American West-- a magical land 39 00:02:43,397 --> 00:02:46,367 with a rich and colorful past. 40 00:02:46,467 --> 00:02:50,371 For many, the frontier conjures up images of outlaws, cowboys, 41 00:02:50,471 --> 00:02:52,740 and buried treasure. 42 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,943 But for Native Americans, this is ancient ground, 43 00:02:56,043 --> 00:02:57,745 steeped in a history which defies 44 00:02:57,845 --> 00:02:59,680 conventional beliefs and logic. 45 00:03:06,254 --> 00:03:10,524 For generations, medicine men of the Crow, Shoshone, and Arapaho 46 00:03:10,624 --> 00:03:13,093 tribes have told stories of a mythic race 47 00:03:13,193 --> 00:03:16,364 of supernatural beings able to perform feats 48 00:03:16,464 --> 00:03:20,434 of amazing physical strength. 49 00:03:20,534 --> 00:03:23,103 Incredibly, according to legend, these people 50 00:03:23,203 --> 00:03:25,339 stood less than 2 feet high. 51 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:28,376 For more than a century, the story of the little people 52 00:03:28,476 --> 00:03:32,212 was just the kind of tall tale that the pioneers scoffed at. 53 00:03:32,313 --> 00:03:35,816 But all of that would change in 1932, when two men 54 00:03:35,916 --> 00:03:37,885 went prospecting in Wyoming. 55 00:03:37,985 --> 00:03:39,787 [blast] 56 00:03:43,457 --> 00:03:44,458 Hey. 57 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:45,826 EUGENE S. BASHOR: Cecil Mayne and Frank Carr 58 00:03:45,926 --> 00:03:49,997 were two amateur gold prospectors. 59 00:03:50,097 --> 00:03:54,134 And they were in the Pedro Mountains, which is right along 60 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:55,536 the shore of Pathfinder Reservoir, 61 00:03:55,636 --> 00:03:56,737 about the center of the state. 62 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,409 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the back of the cave, 63 00:04:01,509 --> 00:04:04,578 Cecil Mayne and Frank Carr made an extraordinary discovery. 64 00:04:04,678 --> 00:04:05,479 What's that? 65 00:04:05,579 --> 00:04:06,380 What? 66 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,181 Right here. 67 00:04:08,282 --> 00:04:09,850 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Perched on a rocky ledge 68 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:13,587 was a small figure just 6 inches high, mummified 69 00:04:13,687 --> 00:04:14,788 in a sitting position. 70 00:04:14,888 --> 00:04:16,557 PROSPECTOR: Some ancient burial cave or something. 71 00:04:16,657 --> 00:04:18,258 EUGENE S. BASHOR: We'd never seen anything like that 72 00:04:18,359 --> 00:04:20,328 before, and would have no idea what 73 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:24,264 it was, except that they knew it was probably worth taking out. 74 00:04:28,802 --> 00:04:30,738 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Several days later, Cecil Mayne 75 00:04:30,838 --> 00:04:32,072 returned to the cave alone. 76 00:04:35,943 --> 00:04:37,911 Paying no heed to the notion that the cave was 77 00:04:38,011 --> 00:04:40,247 a sacred Indian burial site, Mayne 78 00:04:40,348 --> 00:04:43,083 snatched the mysterious mummy. 79 00:04:43,183 --> 00:04:45,319 It has been an object of great controversy 80 00:04:45,419 --> 00:04:49,357 and mystery ever since. 81 00:04:49,457 --> 00:04:51,024 Over the years, the mummy has come 82 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:54,061 into the possession of a number of different people. 83 00:04:54,161 --> 00:04:56,764 Unsubstantiated rumor has it that each of the owners 84 00:04:56,864 --> 00:04:59,733 died under unusual circumstances. 85 00:04:59,833 --> 00:05:02,035 As far as anyone knows, the most recent owner 86 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:04,805 disappeared without a trace nearly 20 years ago, 87 00:05:04,905 --> 00:05:06,807 along with the mummy. 88 00:05:06,907 --> 00:05:08,942 Those who believe in the legend of the little people 89 00:05:09,042 --> 00:05:11,379 claim a curse is responsible. 90 00:05:11,479 --> 00:05:14,081 Others maintain it's all just a coincidence. 91 00:05:17,084 --> 00:05:19,520 The discovery of the mummy in 1932 92 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:21,555 made headlines throughout Wyoming, 93 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:24,958 and prompted speculation that it had been placed in the cave 94 00:05:25,058 --> 00:05:28,529 by one of the Native American tribes. 95 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:31,064 EARL MURRAY: Many Native American spiritual people 96 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:33,166 have told me that they have certain ways they 97 00:05:33,266 --> 00:05:36,470 bury and intern their dead. 98 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:39,740 And this-- this mummy is in a different position 99 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,176 than anything they've ever seen. 100 00:05:43,276 --> 00:05:45,145 So they don't know exactly-- 101 00:05:45,245 --> 00:05:48,649 from their own viewpoints, they don't know what it is. 102 00:05:48,749 --> 00:05:50,418 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): However, Cecil Mayne did not 103 00:05:50,518 --> 00:05:52,553 really care what the mummy was. 104 00:05:52,653 --> 00:05:54,221 He was looking to sell it. 105 00:05:54,321 --> 00:05:57,591 And eventually, he found a willing buyer. 106 00:05:57,691 --> 00:05:58,826 HOMER SHERRILL: Chance of a lifetime. 107 00:05:58,926 --> 00:06:01,228 Here it is, the chance of a lifetime. 108 00:06:01,328 --> 00:06:04,131 The 6-inch mummy man. 109 00:06:04,231 --> 00:06:06,634 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In 1934, an insurance salesman 110 00:06:06,734 --> 00:06:10,070 named Homer Sherrill bought the mummy for $25 111 00:06:10,170 --> 00:06:11,038 and took it on the road. 112 00:06:11,138 --> 00:06:11,939 --Wyoming. 113 00:06:12,039 --> 00:06:13,306 2 bits. 114 00:06:13,407 --> 00:06:14,942 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): One of the first people to hand 115 00:06:15,042 --> 00:06:17,711 over the price of admission was a curious 10-year-old boy 116 00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:19,413 named Eugene Bashor. 117 00:06:19,513 --> 00:06:20,681 You won't believe in mummies? 118 00:06:20,781 --> 00:06:21,715 Of course, you'll see it. 119 00:06:21,815 --> 00:06:23,817 You will have a great mummy tour. 120 00:06:23,917 --> 00:06:25,753 EUGENE S. BASHOR: My dad didn't want me to see it. 121 00:06:25,853 --> 00:06:29,156 What I remember most about that was what a hard time 122 00:06:29,256 --> 00:06:34,161 I had talking him into giving me $0.25 so I could see the mummy. 123 00:06:34,261 --> 00:06:36,597 And when I went in, you went in one door, 124 00:06:36,697 --> 00:06:39,567 and then walked past a table where the mummy was sitting. 125 00:06:39,667 --> 00:06:40,968 There was a guard there. 126 00:06:41,068 --> 00:06:42,570 And then out another door. 127 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:43,671 And they moved you right by. 128 00:06:43,771 --> 00:06:47,374 You didn't get to look at it very long. 129 00:06:47,475 --> 00:06:51,545 It was about 6 and 1/2 inches high seated. 130 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:55,449 And standing, it would have been about 17 inches high. 131 00:06:55,549 --> 00:06:56,617 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The mummy 132 00:06:56,717 --> 00:06:59,086 had brown skin and a flattened skull, 133 00:06:59,186 --> 00:07:00,988 with wisps of gray hair protruding 134 00:07:01,088 --> 00:07:02,656 from the back of the head. 135 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:04,992 Although the mummy was seen by hundreds of people 136 00:07:05,092 --> 00:07:08,428 over the next 10 years, no serious scientific analysis 137 00:07:08,529 --> 00:07:14,201 was undertaken until 1950. 138 00:07:14,301 --> 00:07:15,102 Mr. Goodman? 139 00:07:15,202 --> 00:07:16,203 Ivan Goodman. 140 00:07:16,303 --> 00:07:17,671 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): By then, the mummy 141 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:19,707 had fallen into the hands of a used car 142 00:07:19,807 --> 00:07:21,975 dealer named Ivan Goodman. 143 00:07:22,075 --> 00:07:24,612 Well, what do you have to show me? 144 00:07:24,712 --> 00:07:25,713 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Goodman 145 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:27,748 took the relic to Dr. Paul Martin 146 00:07:27,848 --> 00:07:31,084 at the Chicago Museum of Natural History for an analysis. 147 00:07:33,821 --> 00:07:35,055 DR. GEORGE W. GILL: Some serious efforts 148 00:07:35,155 --> 00:07:37,424 were made in the early 1950s to get 149 00:07:37,525 --> 00:07:40,460 this little mummy documented. 150 00:07:40,561 --> 00:07:43,997 And it was done rather well, I think, for the times. 151 00:07:44,097 --> 00:07:46,734 There were photographs taken, good photographs 152 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:48,368 that we can still look at. 153 00:07:48,468 --> 00:07:51,972 There were x-rays taken. 154 00:07:52,072 --> 00:07:56,243 Really a surprising amount of very effective documentation 155 00:07:56,343 --> 00:07:58,345 was made. 156 00:07:58,445 --> 00:08:00,380 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The x-rays revealed that the object 157 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,683 had a complete skeletal structure, 158 00:08:02,783 --> 00:08:05,285 as well as a full set of teeth. 159 00:08:05,385 --> 00:08:07,788 Initially, it did appear to be the mummified remains 160 00:08:07,888 --> 00:08:09,957 of a fully developed human being which 161 00:08:10,057 --> 00:08:13,961 happened to be 17 inches tall. 162 00:08:14,061 --> 00:08:15,896 But after reviewing all of the material, 163 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:19,332 Dr. Martin reached an altogether different conclusion. 164 00:08:19,432 --> 00:08:22,570 In his opinion, the mummy was not a mature adult, 165 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:25,773 but an infant who had suffered from a medical abnormality 166 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:28,208 known as anencephaly. 167 00:08:28,308 --> 00:08:29,943 This is a condition in which infants 168 00:08:30,043 --> 00:08:33,847 are born without a brain and lack a complete skull. 169 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:37,117 As a result, they may often take on the physical appearance 170 00:08:37,217 --> 00:08:39,352 of an adult. 171 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:42,522 However, Eugene Bashor claims that other experts believe 172 00:08:42,623 --> 00:08:44,858 the malformed skull could have been the result 173 00:08:44,958 --> 00:08:47,527 of a severe blow to the head. 174 00:08:47,628 --> 00:08:48,862 EUGENE S. BASHOR: Some of the people 175 00:08:48,962 --> 00:08:52,700 I've interviewed that were experts, doctors, radiologists 176 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:59,439 said there were pieces of skull in the scalp that's hanging 177 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:01,308 down, like it was beat down. 178 00:09:01,408 --> 00:09:06,313 And it's the result of trauma, injury. 179 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:08,148 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Eugene Bashor further states 180 00:09:08,248 --> 00:09:10,017 that the scientists he spoke with 181 00:09:10,117 --> 00:09:14,387 believe the mummy had other adult characteristics. 182 00:09:14,487 --> 00:09:18,225 EUGENE S. BASHOR: It also has a full set of teeth, 183 00:09:18,325 --> 00:09:20,227 quite prominent teeth. 184 00:09:20,327 --> 00:09:24,598 And infants would show two sets of undeveloped teeth 185 00:09:24,698 --> 00:09:26,166 still up in the jaws. 186 00:09:26,266 --> 00:09:28,201 These have descended, and there's 187 00:09:28,301 --> 00:09:32,539 no other teeth above them, like a baby or a young person 188 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,908 would have. 189 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:37,678 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Dr. George Gill still disagrees. 190 00:09:37,778 --> 00:09:40,380 Yeah, all the physicians and physical anthropologists that I 191 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,282 know of who have ever looked at it that I've been able 192 00:09:42,382 --> 00:09:45,318 to verify, to actually talk to them, 193 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:47,287 have said that it's some type of infant, 194 00:09:47,387 --> 00:09:51,792 and-- and it looks to them to be an anencephalic human infant. 195 00:09:51,892 --> 00:09:55,963 Oh, I certainly am going to do everything I can to prove that. 196 00:09:56,063 --> 00:09:57,865 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In October of 1950, 197 00:09:57,965 --> 00:10:00,768 Ivan Goodman loaned the find to Dr. Leonard Wadler, 198 00:10:00,868 --> 00:10:02,302 curator of a New York museum. 199 00:10:02,402 --> 00:10:03,771 --sound of that. 200 00:10:03,871 --> 00:10:05,639 I'm gonna trust him with you, Doc. 201 00:10:05,739 --> 00:10:06,807 You take good care of him. 202 00:10:06,907 --> 00:10:07,841 Oh, don't worry. 203 00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:10,377 He's in good hands. 204 00:10:10,477 --> 00:10:11,645 You take care, sir. 205 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:12,579 I shall. 206 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:13,947 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Goodman 207 00:10:14,047 --> 00:10:16,349 felt there was a fortune to be made if Wadler could prove 208 00:10:16,449 --> 00:10:17,985 that the mummy was a North American 209 00:10:18,085 --> 00:10:22,089 relative of the pygmies, a race of people in Africa and Asia 210 00:10:22,189 --> 00:10:25,492 who stand 4 to 5 feet in height. 211 00:10:25,592 --> 00:10:28,662 Unfortunately, Ivan Goodman died of a sudden stroke 212 00:10:28,762 --> 00:10:31,899 before the theory was proven, and Wadler kept the mummy. 213 00:10:37,470 --> 00:10:39,907 What was the mysterious artifact uncovered 214 00:10:40,007 --> 00:10:45,078 in the remote mountains of Wyoming more than 60 years ago? 215 00:10:45,178 --> 00:10:48,148 Was it proof of the existence of a mythological race known 216 00:10:48,248 --> 00:10:51,118 as the little people, or was it the tragedy 217 00:10:51,218 --> 00:10:56,089 of an anencephalic infant born in primitive times? 218 00:10:56,189 --> 00:10:58,692 So much more could be done today in the way of analysis 219 00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:01,194 on this small mummy. 220 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:03,430 DNA analysis could be done. 221 00:11:03,530 --> 00:11:07,634 We have methods now that could allow dating to be done 222 00:11:07,735 --> 00:11:09,770 without being that destructing. 223 00:11:09,870 --> 00:11:12,505 So it's really important that the scientific community 224 00:11:12,605 --> 00:11:13,540 take another look at it. 225 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,311 The controversy exists. 226 00:11:18,411 --> 00:11:19,780 It continues. 227 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,250 It could be settled if we had the mummy. 228 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:25,618 At this point in time, we don't know, and that's the mystery. 229 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:32,692 Dr. Leonard Wadler was last known to be living in Florida. 230 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:37,397 However, no one has seen the doctor or the mummy since 1975. 231 00:11:37,497 --> 00:11:38,999 While the scientific community would 232 00:11:39,099 --> 00:11:41,268 like to find the mummy for analysis, 233 00:11:41,368 --> 00:11:43,570 Native Americans hope the relic will be recovered 234 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:45,705 for its spiritual value. 235 00:11:45,806 --> 00:11:48,742 In their view, a sacred burial site was disturbed. 236 00:11:48,842 --> 00:11:50,410 And ultimately, they would like to return 237 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:52,880 the artifact to an appropriate resting place. 238 00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:58,218 Next, a series of mysterious hanging 239 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:00,253 deaths in jails across Mississippi 240 00:12:00,353 --> 00:12:03,991 sparks a federal investigation. 241 00:12:04,091 --> 00:12:07,427 [theme music] 242 00:12:11,431 --> 00:12:14,534 Tonight, there's a scandal brewing in Mississippi, 243 00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:16,569 a scandal which has prompted Attorney General 244 00:12:16,669 --> 00:12:18,806 Janet Reno to order an investigation 245 00:12:18,906 --> 00:12:21,574 by the Justice Department. 246 00:12:21,674 --> 00:12:25,012 Over the past five years, no fewer than 48 inmates 247 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:27,781 in Mississippi jails, half of them black, half of them 248 00:12:27,881 --> 00:12:31,751 white, have died under mysterious circumstances. 249 00:12:31,852 --> 00:12:34,087 Every single death was a hanging. 250 00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:37,424 Every single death was ruled a suicide. 251 00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:40,027 This is a story of one Mississippi hanging. 252 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:45,899 In the summer of 1992, Andre Jones 253 00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:49,903 was 18 years old, about to start his freshman year of college. 254 00:12:50,003 --> 00:12:52,305 His mother, Esther, was president of the Jackson, 255 00:12:52,405 --> 00:12:56,076 Mississippi branch of the NAACP; his stepfather, 256 00:12:56,176 --> 00:12:58,912 Charles X. Quinn, a Nation of Islam minister. 257 00:13:02,049 --> 00:13:07,387 1: 00 AM, Saturday, August 22, Brandon, Mississippi. 258 00:13:07,487 --> 00:13:09,923 Andre Jones and his girlfriend, Tanisha Love, 259 00:13:10,023 --> 00:13:13,060 were stopped at a routine sobriety checkpoint. 260 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,728 Andre was driving a friend's pickup truck. 261 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:17,264 May I see your driver's license please, sir? 262 00:13:17,364 --> 00:13:18,631 I don't have it. 263 00:13:18,731 --> 00:13:20,000 [phone ringing] 264 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:22,769 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): 1:30 AM, Jackson, Mississippi, 265 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:24,938 20 miles from Brandon. 266 00:13:25,038 --> 00:13:29,009 Andre's parents were awakened when the phone rang. 267 00:13:29,109 --> 00:13:30,077 Hello? 268 00:13:30,177 --> 00:13:31,411 TANISHA LOVE (ON PHONE): Hello, Mr. Quinn? 269 00:13:31,511 --> 00:13:33,914 This is Tanisha. 270 00:13:34,014 --> 00:13:37,184 I'm sorry to call you, but Andre's been arrested. 271 00:13:37,284 --> 00:13:39,920 Arrested? Andre's been arrested. 272 00:13:40,020 --> 00:13:40,820 Arrested? 273 00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:41,721 For what? 274 00:13:41,821 --> 00:13:43,356 For what? 275 00:13:43,456 --> 00:13:44,925 Yeah, mom. 276 00:13:45,025 --> 00:13:45,893 It's me. 277 00:13:45,993 --> 00:13:47,260 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): 2:00 AM. 278 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,262 Andre called his parents from the Brandon police station. 279 00:13:49,362 --> 00:13:50,463 I don't know what the charges are. 280 00:13:50,563 --> 00:13:52,099 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): He said he did not know 281 00:13:52,199 --> 00:13:55,368 what he had been charged with. 282 00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:56,836 4: 00 AM. 283 00:13:56,937 --> 00:13:59,272 Andre telephoned again, this time to say he 284 00:13:59,372 --> 00:14:01,141 had been transferred to the Simpson County 285 00:14:01,241 --> 00:14:03,877 Jail 40 miles south of Jackson. 286 00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:06,779 According to his parents, he still did not know what 287 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,616 the charges against him were. 288 00:14:09,716 --> 00:14:11,584 ESTHER JONES QUINN: We were told that-- that they could not 289 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:13,653 tell us anything at that time. 290 00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:16,957 And Simpson County just refused to-- to even talk to us. 291 00:14:17,057 --> 00:14:20,093 And they told us that we could not come to that jail. 292 00:14:20,193 --> 00:14:21,294 Have you heard anything? 293 00:14:21,394 --> 00:14:22,495 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Quinns 294 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:23,796 say that they spoke with Andre at least 295 00:14:23,897 --> 00:14:26,099 five different times on Saturday. 296 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:27,968 How can they keep me in here an extra day and they 297 00:14:28,068 --> 00:14:28,936 haven't even charged me? 298 00:14:29,036 --> 00:14:30,070 ESTHER JONES QUINN: He was very much 299 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,905 concerned about his charges. 300 00:14:32,005 --> 00:14:34,774 And we could not tell him anything. 301 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:37,544 He was very much concerned about getting out 302 00:14:37,644 --> 00:14:39,779 immediately and-- and so that he could attend 303 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,982 school the very next day. 304 00:14:42,082 --> 00:14:46,753 About midnight that night, a-- 305 00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:48,321 I heard a knock on the door. 306 00:14:48,421 --> 00:14:51,324 It was a Jackson police officer. 307 00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:52,459 --Jackson Police Department. 308 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:53,660 OK. 309 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,828 I have a message here for Mrs. Esther Jones Quinn. 310 00:14:55,929 --> 00:14:56,729 I'm her husband. 311 00:14:56,829 --> 00:14:57,998 I could take it. 312 00:14:58,098 --> 00:15:00,200 Sir, I really need to deliver this to her in person. 313 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,235 Charles, what is it? 314 00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:04,104 This officer has a message for you. 315 00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:05,205 OFFICER: Esther Jones Quinn? 316 00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:06,573 Yes? 317 00:15:06,673 --> 00:15:10,477 He gave me a piece of paper which I only had a phone number 318 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:11,945 for the Simpson County Jail. 319 00:15:12,045 --> 00:15:13,213 I'm really not sure, ma'am. 320 00:15:13,313 --> 00:15:14,847 ESTHER JONES QUINN (VOICEOVER): There was not a note. 321 00:15:14,948 --> 00:15:15,915 There was not a message. 322 00:15:16,016 --> 00:15:18,018 It was only a number. 323 00:15:18,118 --> 00:15:19,519 Yes, hello? 324 00:15:19,619 --> 00:15:22,122 Yes, my name is Esther Jones Quinn. 325 00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:23,023 Yes. 326 00:15:26,059 --> 00:15:32,232 I was informed that Andre had committed suicide, 327 00:15:32,332 --> 00:15:36,203 that I was casually informed that he had committed suicide, 328 00:15:36,303 --> 00:15:39,272 as if they could have been talking to someone that 329 00:15:39,372 --> 00:15:40,473 didn't even know who he was. 330 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:45,645 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Andre's parents, 331 00:15:45,745 --> 00:15:48,248 he had never shown suicidal tendencies. 332 00:15:48,348 --> 00:15:50,984 He had never even suffered from depression. 333 00:15:51,084 --> 00:15:53,520 Andre had no previous arrest record. 334 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,956 So when Esther and Charles Quinn started to look into his death, 335 00:15:57,057 --> 00:15:59,892 they naturally began with the circumstances of his arrest. 336 00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:06,199 Andre and Tanisha had stopped by the Quinns' house in Jackson 337 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:08,768 around 11:45 Friday night. 338 00:16:08,868 --> 00:16:12,472 They left and drove east toward Brandon, where Tanisha lived. 339 00:16:12,572 --> 00:16:15,908 Near the Brandon city limits, they came upon the checkpoint. 340 00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:20,680 According to the Quinns' lawyers, 341 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:22,715 the police say that Andre Jones stopped 342 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:24,417 just short of the checkpoint. 343 00:16:24,517 --> 00:16:25,818 Hey. 344 00:16:25,918 --> 00:16:27,454 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): They say Andre tossed an object out 345 00:16:27,554 --> 00:16:29,156 of the window of the truck. 346 00:16:29,256 --> 00:16:31,124 Sir, did you just throw something out of this vehicle? 347 00:16:31,224 --> 00:16:32,059 No, officer. 348 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:33,360 Let me see your driver's license. 349 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:34,927 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Police identified the object 350 00:16:35,028 --> 00:16:36,896 as a .38 caliber handgun. 351 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:38,065 Is that an open beer can? 352 00:16:38,165 --> 00:16:39,499 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Inside the truck, 353 00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:42,069 they say there was an open can of beer. 354 00:16:42,169 --> 00:16:44,337 And finally, the truck, which Andre 355 00:16:44,437 --> 00:16:46,606 had borrowed and driven for more than a week, 356 00:16:46,706 --> 00:16:47,807 turned out to be stolen. 357 00:16:47,907 --> 00:16:49,276 Put your hands on the roof. 358 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:50,577 Spread your legs. 359 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:51,944 CHARLES X. QUINN: I'm not sure if he knew 360 00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:55,182 or not if the truck was stolen. 361 00:16:55,282 --> 00:17:00,453 It would appear to me that if he knew the truck was stolen, 362 00:17:00,553 --> 00:17:05,092 he would be skeptical in driving it so openly. 363 00:17:05,192 --> 00:17:07,660 I didn't know nothing about the truck. 364 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,996 But I know there wasn't no beer in the truck 365 00:17:10,097 --> 00:17:12,065 and he did not throw a gun out of the truck, 366 00:17:12,165 --> 00:17:15,102 because there was no gun in the truck. 367 00:17:15,202 --> 00:17:16,703 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tanisha Love's version 368 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:18,771 of the events is very different from the reported 369 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:19,739 police version. 370 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,008 Can I see your license please, sir? 371 00:17:22,109 --> 00:17:23,210 I don't have it. 372 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:24,411 You don't have a license with you? 373 00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:25,612 No, I forgot it at home. 374 00:17:25,712 --> 00:17:27,347 - What's your name? - Andre Jones. 375 00:17:27,447 --> 00:17:28,681 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Tanisha claims 376 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:31,184 that as soon as the officers heard Andre's name, 377 00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:32,885 their attitude immediately changed. 378 00:17:32,985 --> 00:17:34,787 Thank you, sir. 379 00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:36,256 TANISHA LOVE: After they asked him his name, 380 00:17:36,356 --> 00:17:37,557 they all went to a little-- 381 00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:38,758 I said, like, a little huddle, you 382 00:17:38,858 --> 00:17:40,093 know, like a football huddle. 383 00:17:40,193 --> 00:17:42,061 And they was-- I don't know what they was talking about, 384 00:17:42,162 --> 00:17:43,996 'cause they was talking low. 385 00:17:44,097 --> 00:17:46,499 And after that, that's when they came to the truck 386 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:48,801 and asked Andre again did he have his license. 387 00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:51,037 And he said no, sir, I don't have my license. 388 00:17:51,138 --> 00:17:52,672 Step away. 389 00:17:52,772 --> 00:17:54,040 Hands on the roof of the vehicle. 390 00:17:54,141 --> 00:17:55,308 TANISHA LOVE: And the asked him to step out of the truck. 391 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:56,776 And that's when they handcuffed him. 392 00:17:56,876 --> 00:17:59,479 They shackled his feet and they had him 393 00:17:59,579 --> 00:18:00,880 handcuffed at the same time. 394 00:18:00,980 --> 00:18:02,449 I didn't understand what was going on. 395 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:03,616 Mr. Jones, you have the right to remain silent. 396 00:18:03,716 --> 00:18:05,017 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): State public safety 397 00:18:05,118 --> 00:18:08,855 commissioner Jim Ingram believes Andre Jones was not shackled. 398 00:18:08,955 --> 00:18:13,660 In fact, Ingram disagrees with Tanisha's entire account. 399 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,396 There was no confrontation whatsoever 400 00:18:16,496 --> 00:18:18,198 with the young Andre Jones. 401 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:24,404 In fact, the officers were very amazed how cooperative he was. 402 00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:26,038 This is two for one. 403 00:18:26,139 --> 00:18:27,740 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Commissioner 404 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,043 Ingram, Andre was so cooperative with the Brandon Police 405 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:33,646 Department that he admitted being in a gang, 406 00:18:33,746 --> 00:18:36,183 and even showed the police gang hand signals, 407 00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:37,350 which they photographed. 408 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:38,551 --kill two of yours. 409 00:18:38,651 --> 00:18:40,153 JIM INGRAM: And he posed for photographs 410 00:18:40,253 --> 00:18:43,956 with different sign signals indicating how gangs 411 00:18:44,056 --> 00:18:46,426 makes statements about signs. 412 00:18:46,526 --> 00:18:49,362 It was a very cooperative attitude on both sides. 413 00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:52,899 The-- the officers have indicated they really were 414 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:54,567 impressed with this young man. 415 00:18:54,667 --> 00:18:58,571 My child was very independent and a very intelligent 416 00:18:58,671 --> 00:19:01,808 young man, with his own aspirations. 417 00:19:01,908 --> 00:19:08,080 And he had no need or-- or no desire to become 418 00:19:08,181 --> 00:19:11,418 involved within a gang. 419 00:19:11,518 --> 00:19:13,320 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Despite repeated requests, 420 00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:17,156 copies of the alleged photos of Andre illustrating gang signals 421 00:19:17,257 --> 00:19:19,792 have not been made available to "Unsolved Mysteries" 422 00:19:19,892 --> 00:19:22,429 or to Andre's family. 423 00:19:22,529 --> 00:19:24,831 Andre was charged on four counts-- 424 00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:27,667 driving a truck whose vehicle identification number had been 425 00:19:27,767 --> 00:19:30,937 altered; carrying a concealed weapon; possession 426 00:19:31,037 --> 00:19:33,740 of stolen license plate tags; and driving 427 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,543 with an open container of alcohol. 428 00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:38,945 Commissioner Ingram remains adamant that the arrest 429 00:19:39,045 --> 00:19:40,980 was non-confrontational. 430 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,116 Charles Quinn, however, says that an inmate in Brandon 431 00:19:44,217 --> 00:19:48,955 claims that police used racial epithets to intimidate Andre. 432 00:19:49,055 --> 00:19:52,792 CHARLES X. QUINN: One of the inmates who were transferred 433 00:19:52,892 --> 00:19:57,096 with Andre said that the officer said, 434 00:19:57,196 --> 00:20:00,433 do you know what happened to niggas for stealing 435 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:02,835 a white man's truck? 436 00:20:02,935 --> 00:20:11,944 And of course, other statements were said to put fear in Andre. 437 00:20:14,514 --> 00:20:16,082 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At approximately 4:00 AM 438 00:20:16,182 --> 00:20:18,117 on Saturday, Andre was transferred 439 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:22,355 from Brandon to the Simpson County Jail 35 miles away. 440 00:20:22,455 --> 00:20:24,991 The Simpson County facility had a reputation 441 00:20:25,091 --> 00:20:26,125 as a dangerous jail. 442 00:20:28,928 --> 00:20:31,230 This is a rough diagram of the cell into which 443 00:20:31,331 --> 00:20:33,666 Andre Jones was transferred. 444 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:38,204 12 other inmates were being held in the narrow L-shaped space. 445 00:20:38,305 --> 00:20:40,340 A dimly lit corridor next to the cell 446 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,575 led to a toilet and the shower stall 447 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:46,379 where Andre's body was found. 448 00:20:46,479 --> 00:20:48,915 JIM INGRAM: One of the inmates came forward 449 00:20:49,015 --> 00:20:52,151 and said, hey, this guy sure been in the shower 450 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,953 for a long time. 451 00:20:54,053 --> 00:20:57,056 One of the men walked back and said 452 00:20:57,156 --> 00:21:02,829 they found a young man hanging by a shoelace, 453 00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:04,297 and the shower still running. 454 00:21:04,397 --> 00:21:05,898 And that's when they called for the guards. 455 00:21:05,998 --> 00:21:10,770 And immediately they unlocked the cell and took him down. 456 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:12,204 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Authorities state 457 00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:15,908 that Andre Jones had hung himself with his own shoelace. 458 00:21:16,008 --> 00:21:18,545 They say Andre tied the shoelace to an iron grate 459 00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:20,513 above the showerhead. 460 00:21:20,613 --> 00:21:22,982 When Charles Quinn was allowed to visit the cell, 461 00:21:23,082 --> 00:21:25,718 he estimated the grate was approximately 462 00:21:25,818 --> 00:21:28,688 8 feet above the floor. 463 00:21:28,788 --> 00:21:30,790 CHARLES X. QUINN: He would need someone 464 00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:34,994 to have held him up to do that. 465 00:21:35,094 --> 00:21:41,868 And he would have needed some type of a stool to stand on. 466 00:21:41,968 --> 00:21:43,069 That's incorrect. 467 00:21:43,169 --> 00:21:46,205 The point of attachment of the-- 468 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,640 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Dr. Steven Hayne, 469 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:50,777 the state-approved pathologist who performed the autopsy, 470 00:21:50,877 --> 00:21:52,712 said investigators had demonstrated 471 00:21:52,812 --> 00:21:56,349 that it was possible for Andre to have hung himself unaided. 472 00:21:56,449 --> 00:21:58,551 That position was easily reached 473 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:02,355 by a member of the Sheriff's office, 474 00:22:02,455 --> 00:22:05,458 who was acting as the decedent. 475 00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:06,826 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Andre's parents 476 00:22:06,926 --> 00:22:09,028 also feel it is impossible that their son's 477 00:22:09,128 --> 00:22:11,731 body could have been supported simply by a lace 478 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:13,299 from his running shoes. 479 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,868 But Dr. Hayne says the laces were tested 480 00:22:15,968 --> 00:22:18,471 by the manufacturer, and their tensile strength 481 00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:21,508 was found sufficient. 482 00:22:21,608 --> 00:22:23,676 Less than a week after Andre's death, 483 00:22:23,776 --> 00:22:27,046 his parents hired an independent pathologist, Dr. James Bryant, 484 00:22:27,146 --> 00:22:31,484 to examine the remains and review the case. 485 00:22:31,584 --> 00:22:33,019 DR. JAMES BRYANT: I think it's highly 486 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,987 probable that he was strangled. 487 00:22:35,087 --> 00:22:36,456 Someone did this to him. 488 00:22:36,556 --> 00:22:38,725 In the usual case of a suicide by-- 489 00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:43,062 by hanging, the ligature mark is along the side of the neck, 490 00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:46,332 and doesn't go all the way around-- it's in this fashion-- 491 00:22:46,433 --> 00:22:48,468 whereas in the case of Andre Jones, 492 00:22:48,568 --> 00:22:51,370 the-- the ligature marking went along the side of the neck 493 00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:53,873 and all the way into the back, and criss-crossed 494 00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:55,842 in this fashion. 495 00:22:55,942 --> 00:22:58,144 This suggests to me that-- 496 00:22:58,244 --> 00:23:01,848 that there was-- that someone had come from behind 497 00:23:01,948 --> 00:23:04,517 and wrapped the ligature around his neck. 498 00:23:04,617 --> 00:23:07,253 And then furthermore, there's-- there's no knot mark. 499 00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:10,923 The knot imprint area would be in the hairline. 500 00:23:11,023 --> 00:23:13,660 And the hairline would act as a buffer, 501 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,095 no longer allowing for that imprint 502 00:23:16,195 --> 00:23:20,166 to be present on the upper back surface of the neck. 503 00:23:20,266 --> 00:23:23,736 No, Andre Jones's hair was cut short. 504 00:23:23,836 --> 00:23:27,239 And the criss-cross marking was not in the hairline. 505 00:23:27,339 --> 00:23:28,708 And there were no knot marks anywhere else. 506 00:23:31,343 --> 00:23:33,112 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Dr. Hayne's autopsy report 507 00:23:33,212 --> 00:23:35,915 listed no evidence of bruising on Andre's neck 508 00:23:36,015 --> 00:23:37,884 or anywhere else on his body. 509 00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:41,353 Dr. Bryant's observations were different. 510 00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:43,389 DR. JAMES BRYANT: He had some bruising under one of his eyes. 511 00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:45,191 And also, he had some bruising on the shoulder 512 00:23:45,291 --> 00:23:46,526 of the same side. 513 00:23:46,626 --> 00:23:50,229 The bruising could have been right at the time that he died, 514 00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:52,164 or it could have been sometime during the day. 515 00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:54,366 But-- but-- but apparently, he was-- 516 00:23:54,467 --> 00:23:56,435 he suffered some kind of blunt trauma 517 00:23:56,536 --> 00:23:59,238 sometime during-- during the time he was in the jail. 518 00:23:59,338 --> 00:24:02,475 We were informed by one of the inmates 519 00:24:02,575 --> 00:24:06,746 that Andre was taken off that cell block 520 00:24:06,846 --> 00:24:08,581 and out of that jail. 521 00:24:08,681 --> 00:24:11,283 And when he was brought back in, he 522 00:24:11,383 --> 00:24:14,587 was brought back in in a wheelchair, 523 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:17,790 and that he was laid on the shower floor, 524 00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:23,530 and the hanging scene was staged. 525 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:29,101 My findings, based upon the evidence both at the scene, 526 00:24:29,201 --> 00:24:31,838 as well as from the post-mortem examination, 527 00:24:31,938 --> 00:24:34,240 has been reviewed by many other authorities, 528 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:37,143 including the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, 529 00:24:37,243 --> 00:24:40,412 the Department of Justice, the US Attorney's Office, 530 00:24:40,513 --> 00:24:43,015 as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 531 00:24:43,115 --> 00:24:45,084 and by the Attorney General's Office of the State 532 00:24:45,184 --> 00:24:47,654 of Mississippi, and they're in concurrence 533 00:24:47,754 --> 00:24:49,622 with the findings that I made. 534 00:24:49,722 --> 00:24:52,491 Yeah, there was really no indication-- 535 00:24:52,592 --> 00:24:54,326 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In March of 1993, 536 00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:56,128 a coalition of civil rights groups 537 00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:58,965 conducted hearings in Jackson, Mississippi. 538 00:24:59,065 --> 00:25:00,567 Both eyes was black. 539 00:25:00,667 --> 00:25:02,669 The right side of his eyelid-- 540 00:25:02,769 --> 00:25:04,070 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Those testifying 541 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:07,106 included the families of both black and white jail inmates 542 00:25:07,206 --> 00:25:09,642 who had died under questionable circumstances. 543 00:25:09,742 --> 00:25:12,945 And I have to sit and hold my four-year-old daughter-- 544 00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:14,914 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After two days of testimony, 545 00:25:15,014 --> 00:25:16,716 the US Commission on Civil Rights 546 00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:18,718 recommended that the Justice Department 547 00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:19,686 open an investigation. 548 00:25:19,786 --> 00:25:22,789 They don't have to go through that. 549 00:25:22,889 --> 00:25:24,023 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Five months 550 00:25:24,123 --> 00:25:26,458 later, Dr. Emily Ward, a specialist 551 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,928 in forensic pathology, was named Mississippi 552 00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:31,063 state medical examiner. 553 00:25:31,163 --> 00:25:34,500 Dr. Ward went over the autopsy report of Andre Jones, 554 00:25:34,601 --> 00:25:36,903 as well as the autopsies of several other men 555 00:25:37,003 --> 00:25:41,173 who have died by hanging in Mississippi jails. 556 00:25:41,273 --> 00:25:43,209 DR. EMILY WARD: I think that it's extremely 557 00:25:43,309 --> 00:25:44,977 unlikely that any of these deaths 558 00:25:45,077 --> 00:25:47,413 are anything other than suicide. 559 00:25:47,513 --> 00:25:49,148 All of the deaths have been investigated 560 00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:53,285 by not just one agency, but one or two, or sometimes three. 561 00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:55,187 And I think that although sometimes there 562 00:25:55,287 --> 00:25:59,158 may be questions that need to be answered related to the death, 563 00:25:59,258 --> 00:26:01,527 I don't think that in any way affects 564 00:26:01,628 --> 00:26:05,097 whether or not the death is suicide or homicide. 565 00:26:05,197 --> 00:26:09,235 I would never believe that Andre committed suicide. 566 00:26:09,335 --> 00:26:13,773 I know my son was murdered And the fact 567 00:26:13,873 --> 00:26:18,010 that his life was taken so cruelly 568 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:20,780 and so abruptly makes me even more 569 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,850 determined to see that he is vindicated. 570 00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:29,956 [music playing] 571 00:26:53,579 --> 00:26:55,081 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When we return, 572 00:26:55,181 --> 00:26:57,216 a man wanted for the murder of his girlfriend 573 00:26:57,316 --> 00:27:01,287 is captured thanks to an alert viewer. 574 00:27:01,387 --> 00:27:04,691 [theme music] 575 00:27:11,063 --> 00:27:15,034 In July of 1986, 22-year-old Paula Pasciak 576 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:17,069 and her boyfriend, Jerry Gervasoni, 577 00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:19,571 arrived in Kissimmee, Florida from New Jersey 578 00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:20,940 to visit Paula's mother. 579 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,842 Honey, I'm so glad that you're here. 580 00:27:22,942 --> 00:27:24,276 Do you remember Jerry, don't you? 581 00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:25,211 Yes, I do. 582 00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:27,279 They stayed there about one week. 583 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:28,180 No, I don't. 584 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,916 Come on, let's get the bags. 585 00:27:30,016 --> 00:27:31,684 Paula was as happy as a lark. 586 00:27:31,784 --> 00:27:32,618 The two of 'em were. 587 00:27:32,719 --> 00:27:34,954 I mean, they were very-- 588 00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:39,491 together, they were-- they were just happy go lucky. 589 00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:42,995 So do you guys have any plans for tomorrow, or what? 590 00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:44,063 Uh, well-- 591 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:44,864 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Paul and Jerry 592 00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:45,832 had arrived on a Wednesday. 593 00:27:45,932 --> 00:27:47,033 --see my relatives down in Miami. 594 00:27:47,133 --> 00:27:48,434 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On Sunday night, 595 00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,236 they said their goodbyes. 596 00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:51,938 They told Barbara they would be leaving 597 00:27:52,038 --> 00:27:54,774 early the next day to visit another part of Florida. 598 00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:57,076 Uh, we're getting kind of tired. 599 00:27:57,176 --> 00:27:58,811 BARBARA PASCIAK: I got up the next morning. 600 00:27:58,911 --> 00:28:00,279 OK, sweetie. 601 00:28:00,379 --> 00:28:01,247 Good night. 602 00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:02,248 Good night. 603 00:28:02,348 --> 00:28:05,017 And I thought I heard them up. 604 00:28:05,117 --> 00:28:08,587 And I didn't know whether they were or not, 605 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:11,724 so I didn't bother to say goodbye. 606 00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,833 Maybe if I had, you know, things would have been different. 607 00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:25,504 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In the days that followed, 608 00:28:25,604 --> 00:28:27,306 an odd smell would intermittently 609 00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:29,275 waft through Barbara's home. 610 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:31,710 She searched everywhere looking for a source, 611 00:28:31,811 --> 00:28:34,213 finally checking her own bedroom. 612 00:28:34,313 --> 00:28:36,382 [gasps] 613 00:28:36,482 --> 00:28:37,950 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Hidden under the bed, 614 00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:40,887 wrapped in a bamboo curtain, was her daughter's body. 615 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:46,525 Paula Pasciak had been strangled to death 616 00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:51,097 and left under the bed for nearly a week. 617 00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,432 The prime suspect was Jerry Gervasoni, 618 00:28:53,532 --> 00:28:55,501 but he dropped from sight. 619 00:28:55,601 --> 00:28:57,536 He successfully eluded authorities 620 00:28:57,636 --> 00:29:01,340 for more than seven years, until the night of our broadcast. 621 00:29:05,177 --> 00:29:08,147 Update. British Columbia, Canada. 622 00:29:08,247 --> 00:29:12,084 On October 21, 1993, Jerry Gervasoni 623 00:29:12,184 --> 00:29:14,854 was arrested in the small community of Salt Springs 624 00:29:14,954 --> 00:29:17,423 Island, where he had been living under the assumed name 625 00:29:17,523 --> 00:29:19,792 Gordon MacIntyre. 626 00:29:19,892 --> 00:29:21,828 When our program aired in Canada, 627 00:29:21,928 --> 00:29:25,397 Gervasoni's former landlord recognized him and immediately 628 00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:27,366 called authorities. 629 00:29:27,466 --> 00:29:30,402 I come home and sit down to dinner at about 9:30, quarter 630 00:29:30,502 --> 00:29:31,570 to 10:00. 631 00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:34,006 And I flipped on the TV, and there 632 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:39,678 was this black-and-white photo of Gordon MacIntyre, my tenant. 633 00:29:39,778 --> 00:29:41,080 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Once in custody, 634 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:43,182 the suspect vehemently insisted that he 635 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,517 truly was Gordon MacIntyre. 636 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,820 But fingerprints soon confirmed that he 637 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,122 was in fact Gerald Gervasoni. 638 00:29:53,692 --> 00:29:55,794 At the local airport, Gervasoni tried 639 00:29:55,895 --> 00:29:57,897 to avoid photographers as he was hustled 640 00:29:57,997 --> 00:29:59,932 on to a waiting airplane. 641 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:01,834 He was then flown to a deportation 642 00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,136 hearing in Victoria, Canada. 643 00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:07,573 Gervasoni will be held there pending extradition to Florida, 644 00:30:07,673 --> 00:30:10,509 where he will face charges in the murder of Paula Pasciak. 645 00:30:10,609 --> 00:30:13,913 [music playing] 646 00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:26,092 [theme music] 647 00:30:26,192 --> 00:30:27,559 Alex, don't play with the tree. 648 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:29,495 Come on. 649 00:30:29,595 --> 00:30:32,965 On the evening of October 2, 1961, 650 00:30:33,065 --> 00:30:35,601 Mr. And Mrs. Earl Betcher and their youngest son, 651 00:30:35,701 --> 00:30:37,503 Alan, were leaving Baptist Hospital 652 00:30:37,603 --> 00:30:38,770 in Jacksonville, Florida. 653 00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:40,006 Mom, I'm going to the car. 654 00:30:40,106 --> 00:30:41,273 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Betchers 655 00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:43,042 had been visiting one of their other sons, 656 00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:47,713 and could never have imagined the surprise that awaited them. 657 00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:50,616 EARL BETCHER: Yeah, but I think he'll get better if they do. 658 00:30:50,716 --> 00:30:52,518 Mom, mom, there's a baby in the back of our car. 659 00:30:52,618 --> 00:30:53,385 Alan, come on. 660 00:30:53,485 --> 00:30:54,520 Alan, that's not very funny. 661 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:55,888 No, mom, I'm-- I'm serious. 662 00:30:55,988 --> 00:30:56,788 There's a baby in the car. 663 00:30:56,889 --> 00:30:59,959 Come look. 664 00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:01,460 [inaudible] 665 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,896 [cries] 666 00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:04,897 Oh my god. 667 00:31:09,435 --> 00:31:10,402 Sh, sh, sh. 668 00:31:10,502 --> 00:31:11,303 Aw. 669 00:31:15,374 --> 00:31:16,909 Did you-- did you see anybody around? 670 00:31:17,009 --> 00:31:18,144 No. 671 00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:19,611 OK, OK, let's-- let's take her into the hospital. 672 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:22,348 Come on 673 00:31:22,448 --> 00:31:23,749 EARL BETCHER: Is she gonna be all right? 674 00:31:23,849 --> 00:31:25,117 DOCTOR: I believe so. I don't-- 675 00:31:25,217 --> 00:31:26,718 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The Betchers had found 676 00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,788 a healthy baby girl, no more than 72 hours old, 677 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:33,960 and weighing 8 and 1/2 pounds. 678 00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:37,496 Local papers dubbed the foundling Baby Girl X. 679 00:31:37,596 --> 00:31:40,332 She lived in foster homes for five and a half months 680 00:31:40,432 --> 00:31:42,634 before she was adopted by Mary Lou and William 681 00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:45,071 Christie of Tallahassee. 682 00:31:45,171 --> 00:31:47,606 The Christies named their new daughter Terris-- 683 00:31:47,706 --> 00:31:50,609 Terri for short. 684 00:31:50,709 --> 00:31:52,711 Terry grew up happily, doted upon 685 00:31:52,811 --> 00:31:56,148 by her parents and her older brother and sister. 686 00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:57,950 Terri always knew she was adopted, 687 00:31:58,050 --> 00:32:00,686 but not until she was a teenager did she begin 688 00:32:00,786 --> 00:32:03,122 to ask the difficult questions. 689 00:32:03,222 --> 00:32:05,057 Who was their birth mother? 690 00:32:05,157 --> 00:32:07,526 Why had she given her up? 691 00:32:07,626 --> 00:32:14,266 I kind of rebelled and wanted to know, you know? 692 00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:17,036 That's when we went to the library and looked it up. 693 00:32:17,136 --> 00:32:17,936 And then I got excited. 694 00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:21,007 I was proud, you know? 695 00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:26,445 And when she pressured me about her parents, 696 00:32:26,545 --> 00:32:29,548 I had the big-- 697 00:32:29,648 --> 00:32:34,953 the big problem about whether to tell her the truth as I knew it 698 00:32:35,054 --> 00:32:38,624 or whether to say I didn't know anything. 699 00:32:38,724 --> 00:32:42,961 And I really wrestled with it. 700 00:32:43,062 --> 00:32:48,067 And then I came out with that I'd be safe to be truthful. 701 00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:49,068 Do you think that's it? 702 00:32:49,168 --> 00:32:50,336 I think you're right, look. 703 00:32:50,436 --> 00:32:51,903 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the local library, 704 00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:54,873 Terry and Mary Lou tracked down all the newspaper articles 705 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:58,877 about Baby Girl X. Terri was surprised to learn 706 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:01,847 that she had been left in the backseat of a car. 707 00:33:01,947 --> 00:33:04,516 Nevertheless, she trusts that her birth mother had 708 00:33:04,616 --> 00:33:06,452 her best interests at heart. 709 00:33:06,552 --> 00:33:07,719 TERRIS CHRISTIE DERBY (VOICEOVER): 710 00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:11,057 She might have been a 15, 16-year-old little scared 711 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:13,925 girl that had a baby and ran away from home. 712 00:33:14,026 --> 00:33:15,761 MARY LOU CHRISTIE: Look, look. There's the picture. 713 00:33:15,861 --> 00:33:16,528 TERRIS CHRISTIE DERBY (VOICEOVER): 714 00:33:16,628 --> 00:33:17,563 I believe she had a heart. 715 00:33:17,663 --> 00:33:19,598 She put me somewhere safe, where I was 716 00:33:19,698 --> 00:33:21,167 gonna be well taken care of. 717 00:33:21,267 --> 00:33:23,602 And I appreciate that. 718 00:33:23,702 --> 00:33:27,206 She was probably watching them when the little boy 719 00:33:27,306 --> 00:33:28,407 came and found me in the car. 720 00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:30,176 She was probably standing there, watching it. 721 00:33:30,276 --> 00:33:31,777 Did you-- did you see anybody around? 722 00:33:31,877 --> 00:33:32,711 No. 723 00:33:32,811 --> 00:33:34,113 TERRIS CHRISTIE DERBY: It bothers 724 00:33:34,213 --> 00:33:38,050 me not knowing exactly what day I was born, the time, you know? 725 00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:39,418 Where I was born. 726 00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:44,790 I don't even know if I was born in a hospital, by a midwife, 727 00:33:44,890 --> 00:33:45,691 in a car. 728 00:33:45,791 --> 00:33:47,226 You know, I have no idea. 729 00:33:47,326 --> 00:33:48,627 I just-- I would like to find that out. 730 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:52,531 Well, I'll have to go-- 731 00:33:52,631 --> 00:33:53,865 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Today, Terri 732 00:33:53,965 --> 00:33:57,069 is 32 years old, the mother of a young son and daughter. 733 00:33:57,169 --> 00:34:00,906 She wants her children to have a heritage, to know their roots. 734 00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:02,708 They're all down in there. 735 00:34:02,808 --> 00:34:05,010 I would like to find a beginning. 736 00:34:05,111 --> 00:34:07,846 I just want to meet her and see how she is. 737 00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,216 I don't know, I'm getting older. 738 00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:13,685 And I look at my kids and see how they're growing. 739 00:34:13,785 --> 00:34:17,723 And I look in the mirror every day and I wonder. 740 00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,195 Thanks to our broadcast, Terri Christie Derby 741 00:34:23,295 --> 00:34:26,332 now knows the answers to all of her questions. 742 00:34:26,432 --> 00:34:28,434 Sadly, Terri's birth mother, Edith Campbell, 743 00:34:28,534 --> 00:34:31,803 died on August 17, 1993, just a few months 744 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:34,140 before our segment aired. 745 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,443 But out of this sadness a happy ending did emerge. 746 00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:39,211 Terri was delighted to learn that she had 747 00:34:39,311 --> 00:34:41,447 a sister and three brothers. 748 00:34:41,547 --> 00:34:43,315 They were delighted as well. 749 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:45,351 None of them had ever known that Terri existed. 750 00:34:49,255 --> 00:34:53,625 On July 8, 1994, Terri went to a hotel in Miami, Florida 751 00:34:53,725 --> 00:34:57,729 to meet three of her siblings, Philip, Paul, and Cecelia, face 752 00:34:57,829 --> 00:35:01,633 to face for the first time. 753 00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,702 PHILLIP CAMPBELL: Hey. 754 00:35:03,802 --> 00:35:04,603 Hi. 755 00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:05,571 Hi, Terri. 756 00:35:05,671 --> 00:35:06,705 Hey, Terri. 757 00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:07,773 How are you? 758 00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:10,309 It was the neatest experience of my life. 759 00:35:10,409 --> 00:35:11,710 I walked in and there was-- 760 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:12,944 Greetings. Paul. 761 00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:14,580 TERRIS CHRISTIE DERBY: --everybody I wanted to see. 762 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,747 Hey, Paul. 763 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:20,018 Next to me giving birth to my own kids, 764 00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:22,721 this is the best thing that's ever happened to me. 765 00:35:22,821 --> 00:35:25,191 Best thing. 766 00:35:25,291 --> 00:35:28,093 My-- my experience is that there's more than just 767 00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:29,728 a biological thing in a family. 768 00:35:29,828 --> 00:35:32,964 There's also a-- a karmic-- 769 00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:36,602 a sense of underlying destiny that lies 770 00:35:36,702 --> 00:35:37,869 underneath the whole thing. 771 00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:39,805 And this, you know-- you meet somebody-- 772 00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:43,074 I meet Terri and it's like, she is my sister. 773 00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:44,843 I knew it right away, you know? 774 00:35:44,943 --> 00:35:46,612 There's no doubt. 775 00:35:46,712 --> 00:35:47,946 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the reunion, 776 00:35:48,046 --> 00:35:49,848 Terri and her adoptive mother finally 777 00:35:49,948 --> 00:35:52,518 saw a picture of Terri's biological mother, 778 00:35:52,618 --> 00:35:54,186 Edith Campbell. 779 00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:57,789 According to a family member, Edith had given Terri up only 780 00:35:57,889 --> 00:36:01,860 because of extreme financial desperation. 781 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,195 Knowing what a-- 782 00:36:03,295 --> 00:36:06,232 what a loving person she was, she 783 00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:09,868 cared about nothing but her children her whole life. 784 00:36:09,968 --> 00:36:14,306 And I can only imagine the anguish that-- 785 00:36:14,406 --> 00:36:17,008 that she went through when she decided to do this. 786 00:36:17,108 --> 00:36:17,909 Hey. 787 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:19,278 Hi, I'm [inaudible]. 788 00:36:19,378 --> 00:36:19,911 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Husband. 789 00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:20,646 Nice to meet you. 790 00:36:20,746 --> 00:36:21,847 Hi. 791 00:36:21,947 --> 00:36:23,181 TERRIS CHRISTIE DERBY: They make me feel wanted. 792 00:36:23,282 --> 00:36:25,384 They make me feel like I'm not an outcast. 793 00:36:25,484 --> 00:36:27,853 Like, I kind of felt like I was, you know, in the past. 794 00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:36,127 But I-- I can feel their vibes, love, whatever, you know? 795 00:36:36,228 --> 00:36:38,129 It's kind of cool. 796 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:39,197 Come on, let's go. 797 00:36:39,298 --> 00:36:40,098 Let's go over here. 798 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:41,166 Come on. 799 00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:42,401 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The next day, 800 00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:43,769 Terri met her other brother, Chris, 801 00:36:43,869 --> 00:36:45,704 who had been called out of town on business 802 00:36:45,804 --> 00:36:46,705 on the day of the reunion. 803 00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:47,606 That's right. 804 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:50,576 Snuggle up, brothers and sister. 805 00:36:50,676 --> 00:36:51,810 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At last, 806 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,312 the family circle is complete. 807 00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:01,453 [theme music] 808 00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:08,360 In the fall of 1993, the entire country 809 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:10,862 was touched when 12-year-old Polly Klaas was 810 00:37:10,962 --> 00:37:13,332 abducted from her home in northern California 811 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,535 and savagely murdered. 812 00:37:16,635 --> 00:37:18,804 Thousands of copies of this composite sketch 813 00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:20,906 were distributed by police. 814 00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:22,974 In the end, its stunning accuracy 815 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:25,611 helped confirm the identity of the prime suspect, 816 00:37:25,711 --> 00:37:28,079 Richard Allen Davis. 817 00:37:28,179 --> 00:37:30,649 Davis is now in jail, charged with the kidnap 818 00:37:30,749 --> 00:37:32,250 and murder of Polly Klaas. 819 00:37:35,387 --> 00:37:37,689 Law enforcement's secret weapon in the Klaas case 820 00:37:37,789 --> 00:37:41,793 was this woman, suspect graphic artist Jeanne Boylan. 821 00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:44,863 These days, the FBI and numerous local jurisdictions 822 00:37:44,963 --> 00:37:46,732 compete for her time. 823 00:37:46,832 --> 00:37:49,801 Jeanne Boylan has come a long way from her first job 824 00:37:49,901 --> 00:37:51,169 in law enforcement. 825 00:37:54,406 --> 00:37:57,576 In the mid-1970s, Jeanne worked at the Sheriff's Department 826 00:37:57,676 --> 00:38:00,245 in Multnomah County, Oregon. 827 00:38:00,346 --> 00:38:02,113 The job gave her a close-up look at how 828 00:38:02,213 --> 00:38:04,115 suspects' sketches were made. 829 00:38:04,215 --> 00:38:07,085 In many cases, Jeanne didn't like what she saw. 830 00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:08,186 MAN: Yeah, it was more like that. 831 00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:09,421 MAN: More like that? MAN: Yeah. 832 00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:10,322 MAN: Maybe like that? 833 00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:11,690 No, more like that one. 834 00:38:11,790 --> 00:38:14,292 JEANNE BOYLAN: I would hear the way that investigators would 835 00:38:14,393 --> 00:38:16,628 question witnesses or victims. 836 00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:18,296 And I could-- I could hear that they weren't 837 00:38:18,397 --> 00:38:19,865 allowing them to answer. 838 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,099 They would cut the answers off. 839 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:22,868 It was kind of just the facts. 840 00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:24,536 And I-- that-- 841 00:38:24,636 --> 00:38:26,705 that seemed to me to be wrong. 842 00:38:26,805 --> 00:38:28,940 And then I would see the drawings that would be produced 843 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,176 either through an identikit or through an artist, 844 00:38:31,276 --> 00:38:32,644 and I knew that they weren't right. 845 00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:34,780 There was something in terms of-- something in terms 846 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:35,947 of the heart, really, that was sort 847 00:38:36,047 --> 00:38:39,017 of missing in those pictures. 848 00:38:39,117 --> 00:38:40,852 Would you put any other shape around the eyes? 849 00:38:40,952 --> 00:38:42,388 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jeanne was convinced 850 00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:43,789 that she could do better. 851 00:38:43,889 --> 00:38:46,658 And in 1980, she got her chance. 852 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:50,228 A supervisor gave Jeanne one of his most difficult cases, 853 00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:52,564 an unsolved rape that had languished for months 854 00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:55,066 with virtually no leads. 855 00:38:55,166 --> 00:38:57,302 I can't remember any more. 856 00:38:57,403 --> 00:38:58,770 It's OK. 857 00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:00,539 I was trying a lot of different interview techniques. 858 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,341 And-- and I found that if I used sort of a diversionary system 859 00:39:03,442 --> 00:39:05,276 of interviewing, where we would kind of circumvent 860 00:39:05,377 --> 00:39:08,246 the-- the events of the crime and the scenario of the crime, 861 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,850 and talk about other topics, and I could relax them, 862 00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:15,387 then periodically this information would surface. 863 00:39:15,487 --> 00:39:18,790 You know, I just remembered something. 864 00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:22,628 He had a scar, and it started on his forehead, 865 00:39:22,728 --> 00:39:24,996 and it led back into his hair. 866 00:39:25,096 --> 00:39:26,865 JEANNE BOYLAN: It's like the tip-of-the-tongue syndrome, 867 00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:28,366 where you have somebody's name that's right 868 00:39:28,467 --> 00:39:30,035 there and you're trying to remember it. 869 00:39:30,135 --> 00:39:31,269 You can't bring it up. 870 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:33,271 And maybe two or three hours later, you stop trying, 871 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,306 and it just pops into your mind. 872 00:39:35,407 --> 00:39:36,875 I just remembered something else too. 873 00:39:36,975 --> 00:39:39,778 Um, he had a wide face. 874 00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:41,613 JEANNE BOYLAN (VOICEOVER): I knew that the drawing that 875 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:43,214 had been done on that case prior to the one 876 00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:45,250 that I was doing was-- was wrong. 877 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:46,885 So what we came up with was so radically 878 00:39:46,985 --> 00:39:50,489 different, that that was sort of fresh hope for that case. 879 00:39:50,589 --> 00:39:51,990 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jeanne was right. 880 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,825 As a direct result of her composite, 881 00:39:53,925 --> 00:39:56,928 the suspect was arrested and later convicted. 882 00:39:57,028 --> 00:40:00,031 More cases followed, and Jeanne's reputation grew. 883 00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:04,736 I've seen a lot of the work Jeanne Boylan has done, 884 00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:05,971 and very impressed. 885 00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:08,607 It's the best artist's conceptions I've ever seen. 886 00:40:08,707 --> 00:40:14,012 And if there-- we ever have a chance of catching the person 887 00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,681 we're looking for through an artist's conception, 888 00:40:15,781 --> 00:40:20,786 I think Jeanne Boylan is gonna give us that chance. 889 00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:22,621 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Most recently, the FBI 890 00:40:22,721 --> 00:40:24,856 turned to Jeanne Boylan in the troubling case 891 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:30,361 of 16-year-old Jonathan Francia of Albuquerque, New Mexico. 892 00:40:30,462 --> 00:40:33,331 On January 12, 1994, Jonathan was 893 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,067 in his car behind this restaurant in Albuquerque 894 00:40:36,167 --> 00:40:38,236 when two strangers abducted him. 895 00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:44,676 Five days later, a body believed to be Jonathan's was found, 896 00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:46,745 charred almost beyond recognition 897 00:40:46,845 --> 00:40:49,147 in the trunk of his burned-out car. 898 00:40:49,247 --> 00:40:53,785 One of the killers, known only as Jason, is still at large. 899 00:40:53,885 --> 00:40:54,753 [knocking] 900 00:40:56,254 --> 00:40:58,857 Investigators asked Jeanne to meet with a key witness, Scott 901 00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:00,125 Johnston. 902 00:41:00,225 --> 00:41:01,860 Hi. Yeah, I'm Jeanne Boylan. 903 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,495 - Come in. - Yeah, nice to meet you. 904 00:41:03,595 --> 00:41:05,597 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): He had innocently spent several hours 905 00:41:05,697 --> 00:41:07,566 with the killers at his home in a Winslow, 906 00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:10,201 Arizona trailer park. 907 00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:11,970 This is a simple process. 908 00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:13,271 I don't want you to worry about it. 909 00:41:13,371 --> 00:41:15,006 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Jeanne instinctively began 910 00:41:15,106 --> 00:41:19,110 to assess Scott's potential as an eyewitness. 911 00:41:19,210 --> 00:41:20,111 JEANNE BOYLAN: Scott is-- 912 00:41:20,211 --> 00:41:21,847 he's a very interesting man. 913 00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:23,281 Visual things are very important to him. 914 00:41:23,381 --> 00:41:25,817 You can tell in the way that he dresses and he combs his hair. 915 00:41:25,917 --> 00:41:28,319 And, you know, he takes-- he takes some care in the way 916 00:41:28,419 --> 00:41:30,856 that he looks, which was the first cue to me 917 00:41:30,956 --> 00:41:34,259 that I would be able to work in a visual context with him. 918 00:41:34,359 --> 00:41:36,227 So one thing that I did was I got out 919 00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,230 some Play-Doh, something to anchor him in the present, 920 00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:42,133 and gave it to him for him to actually work on 921 00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:44,202 or to-- to play with and sort of feel, 922 00:41:44,302 --> 00:41:45,470 to keep him in the moment. 923 00:41:45,571 --> 00:41:48,239 [inaudible] more in the longer. 924 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,908 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): As Scott told his story, 925 00:41:50,008 --> 00:41:54,846 Jeanne began to sketch the fugitive killer named Jason. 926 00:41:54,946 --> 00:41:59,117 Scott had met Jason on January 13, 1994. 927 00:41:59,217 --> 00:42:00,886 That day, a friend of Scott's named 928 00:42:00,986 --> 00:42:03,021 Trena Richardson was staying at the trailer, 929 00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:05,691 along with her three children. 930 00:42:05,791 --> 00:42:07,759 They were awaiting the arrival of Trena's husband, 931 00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,261 Paul, who was going to Alabama. 932 00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:13,464 He pulled in at around 6:00 AM, accompanied by a stranger. 933 00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:19,437 Scott, what's happening? 934 00:42:19,537 --> 00:42:20,438 Not much. 935 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:21,873 This is Jason. 936 00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:22,774 Hi. 937 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:23,675 How's it going? 938 00:42:23,775 --> 00:42:24,776 Come in. 939 00:42:24,876 --> 00:42:28,546 My first impression of Jason was, oh boy, 940 00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:30,849 this guy dresses like a cowboy. 941 00:42:30,949 --> 00:42:33,018 You know, the long, slender-- 942 00:42:33,118 --> 00:42:37,956 kind of attracted-- the girls would be attracted to him. 943 00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:42,527 He had the velvet hat, the long hair, and the jacket, 944 00:42:42,628 --> 00:42:45,330 and the-- and the jeans, and kind 945 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,532 of, like, worn-out tennies. 946 00:42:47,633 --> 00:42:48,834 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Scott noticed 947 00:42:48,934 --> 00:42:50,669 something else about Jason-- 948 00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:55,540 something he would not truly understand until much later. 949 00:42:55,641 --> 00:42:57,008 I looked down and I noticed his hand. 950 00:42:57,108 --> 00:43:00,345 It was kind of, like, red, kind of clay type. 951 00:43:00,445 --> 00:43:02,147 I thought it was just, you know, dirt. 952 00:43:02,247 --> 00:43:03,081 But apparently it was blood. 953 00:43:05,984 --> 00:43:07,485 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Soon after he arrived, 954 00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:09,087 Jason took a shower-- 955 00:43:09,187 --> 00:43:12,891 the only time Scott saw him without a hat. 956 00:43:12,991 --> 00:43:14,159 Ashtray? 957 00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:16,662 Tell me a little bit about how you would 958 00:43:16,762 --> 00:43:18,396 put the placement of the hair? 959 00:43:18,496 --> 00:43:20,065 I'd place the hair kind of, like, long 960 00:43:20,165 --> 00:43:21,967 in back and over the ears-- 961 00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:24,836 I had no idea that anything was, you know, wrong, like any crime 962 00:43:24,936 --> 00:43:26,071 has been committed. 963 00:43:26,171 --> 00:43:33,078 Um, I was just going along, just like my everyday, 964 00:43:33,178 --> 00:43:36,581 you know, normal routine, and they were too. 965 00:43:36,682 --> 00:43:38,616 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Scott told Jeanne that he and Trena 966 00:43:38,717 --> 00:43:40,952 went out to run errands around 9:00 AM, 967 00:43:41,052 --> 00:43:44,723 leaving Paul and Jason at the trailer. 968 00:43:44,823 --> 00:43:46,557 SCOTT JOHNSTON (VOICEOVER): We came back, pulled up, 969 00:43:46,658 --> 00:43:49,427 and that's when they were washing the car. 970 00:43:49,527 --> 00:43:51,296 So as we pulled up, they saw us. 971 00:43:51,396 --> 00:43:54,900 And they shut the trunk. 972 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,104 And they acted like they didn't want us to see what was in it. 973 00:43:59,204 --> 00:44:00,371 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the time, 974 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,875 Scott had no idea that the body of Jonathan Francia 975 00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:05,276 was in the trunk. 976 00:44:05,376 --> 00:44:07,212 Scott, you've got a gas can? 977 00:44:07,312 --> 00:44:08,646 No, but I can go borrow one. 978 00:44:08,747 --> 00:44:09,848 OK. 979 00:44:09,948 --> 00:44:11,416 SCOTT JOHNSTON (VOICEOVER): So I went next door, 980 00:44:11,516 --> 00:44:12,784 got the gas can, and came back. 981 00:44:12,884 --> 00:44:16,421 And that's when Trena, Paul, and Jason were outside, talking. 982 00:44:16,521 --> 00:44:18,189 We've got to take care of [inaudible]. 983 00:44:18,289 --> 00:44:19,124 Why? 984 00:44:19,224 --> 00:44:20,425 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): An hour 985 00:44:20,525 --> 00:44:22,060 later, Trena and Paul said they were leaving to escort 986 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,463 Jason to the main highway. 987 00:44:25,563 --> 00:44:27,165 SCOTT JOHNSTON: That was the last time I saw Jason. 988 00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:30,135 I thought that he went back to wherever he was-- you know, 989 00:44:30,235 --> 00:44:31,536 maybe to Dallas or maybe to somewhere 990 00:44:31,636 --> 00:44:33,671 else, where he has-- you know, where he told me he was from. 991 00:44:36,341 --> 00:44:38,309 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Four days later, local police 992 00:44:38,409 --> 00:44:41,379 followed an eyewitness report to a remote corner of the desert 993 00:44:41,479 --> 00:44:44,015 some 30 miles from Scott's trailer. 994 00:44:44,115 --> 00:44:46,051 There, they found the burned-out automobile 995 00:44:46,151 --> 00:44:51,356 and the charred remains believed to be Jonathan Francia. 996 00:44:51,456 --> 00:44:53,358 He said he was from Dallas. 997 00:44:53,458 --> 00:44:55,293 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Paul Richardson who was arrested 998 00:44:55,393 --> 00:44:57,262 just over two weeks later. 999 00:44:57,362 --> 00:44:59,564 Under questioning by the FBI, Paul 1000 00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:02,500 admitted that he and Jason had abducted and then 1001 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,136 murdered Jonathan Francia. - --kid in a-- 1002 00:45:05,236 --> 00:45:08,106 a car behind a restaurant. 1003 00:45:08,206 --> 00:45:11,376 We took it. 1004 00:45:11,476 --> 00:45:13,244 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Two days after his confession, 1005 00:45:13,344 --> 00:45:15,814 Paul Richardson committed suicide by hanging 1006 00:45:15,914 --> 00:45:17,916 himself in his jail cell. 1007 00:45:18,016 --> 00:45:23,288 Finding the remaining killer is now up to Jeanne Boylan. 1008 00:45:23,388 --> 00:45:25,723 Would you create a division between the brows? 1009 00:45:25,824 --> 00:45:27,225 Would you have it connected? 1010 00:45:27,325 --> 00:45:28,326 I have it kind of-- 1011 00:45:28,426 --> 00:45:29,560 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Authorities 1012 00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:32,030 are counting on Jeanne's unique interviewing skills 1013 00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:34,699 and artistic talent to help them flush out 1014 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,467 the mysterious drifter Jason. 1015 00:45:36,567 --> 00:45:37,435 --down to the surface? 1016 00:45:37,535 --> 00:45:41,006 [inaudible] a little bit. 1017 00:45:41,106 --> 00:45:44,275 When I first seen the composite, it 1018 00:45:44,375 --> 00:45:46,077 looked pretty much like the same person 1019 00:45:46,177 --> 00:45:49,214 I've seen in the-- in the trailer. 1020 00:45:49,314 --> 00:45:50,381 Pretty, pretty close. 1021 00:45:53,218 --> 00:45:57,055 I was amazed at how well it, you know, turned out. 1022 00:45:57,155 --> 00:45:59,858 I never thought I could remember that much. 1023 00:45:59,958 --> 00:46:01,659 That's him. 1024 00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:03,328 OK. 1025 00:46:03,428 --> 00:46:05,897 OK, is there anything else you'd add to it? 1026 00:46:05,997 --> 00:46:09,634 I believe that Ms. Boylan has a magician's touch 1027 00:46:09,734 --> 00:46:13,371 in dealing with witnesses who-- 1028 00:46:13,471 --> 00:46:20,611 and has a way of just extracting a-- a photo from their mind, 1029 00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:22,780 if you will. 1030 00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:25,116 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): These are Jeanne's sketches of Jason, 1031 00:46:25,216 --> 00:46:29,054 based on Scott Johnston's description. 1032 00:46:29,154 --> 00:46:31,756 BETTY FRANCIA: When I first saw the composite drawing, 1033 00:46:31,857 --> 00:46:35,693 I felt a lot of anger, because all this time there's 1034 00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:36,794 not really been a picture. 1035 00:46:39,464 --> 00:46:43,301 And now there's a face, and there's a real 1036 00:46:43,401 --> 00:46:47,205 person up there who killed my son and who 1037 00:46:47,305 --> 00:46:49,941 might kill somebody else's. 1038 00:46:50,041 --> 00:46:52,277 LARRY FRANCIA: It would settle our hearts a little, 1039 00:46:52,377 --> 00:46:56,014 give us a little ease in our heart, [inaudible] to the fact 1040 00:46:56,114 --> 00:47:00,585 that we can't bring our son back, 1041 00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:03,354 but it'll put him where he belongs. 1042 00:47:03,454 --> 00:47:05,590 And that's what we need. 1043 00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:08,927 That's what we need. 1044 00:47:09,027 --> 00:47:11,062 I think, you know, if there's some way 1045 00:47:11,162 --> 00:47:14,832 that this contribution can help bring some peace to them, 1046 00:47:14,933 --> 00:47:16,935 then I would-- 1047 00:47:17,035 --> 00:47:19,537 I would be delighted. 1048 00:47:19,637 --> 00:47:21,272 You know, you just want to do whatever you can do, 1049 00:47:21,372 --> 00:47:22,473 and this is all I can do. 1050 00:47:24,943 --> 00:47:26,144 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In all, 1051 00:47:26,244 --> 00:47:29,314 Jeanne drew three portraits of the man known as Jason. 1052 00:47:29,414 --> 00:47:31,849 Authorities believe he has relatives in Pinetop 1053 00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:35,386 or Payson, Arizona and Dallas, Texas. 1054 00:47:35,486 --> 00:47:39,925 Jason is described as 5'10, mid 20's, medium build. 1055 00:47:40,025 --> 00:47:43,561 He smokes, chews tobacco, and wears Western-style clothes, 1056 00:47:43,661 --> 00:47:47,532 including a horsehair belt. 1057 00:47:47,632 --> 00:47:49,267 The man calling himself Jason has 1058 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:51,536 also used other first names. 1059 00:47:51,636 --> 00:47:54,272 He supposedly frequents Las Vegas and homeless shelters 1060 00:47:54,372 --> 00:47:56,007 in Laughlin, Nevada. 1061 00:47:56,107 --> 00:47:59,077 Jason should be regarded as extremely dangerous. 1062 00:47:59,177 --> 00:48:02,413 [theme music] 1063 00:48:06,784 --> 00:48:10,488 On our next "Unsolved Mysteries," in Chicago, 1064 00:48:10,588 --> 00:48:13,724 a mysterious young woman has charmed eligible bachelors, 1065 00:48:13,824 --> 00:48:16,061 bewitched cab drivers, and haunted taverns 1066 00:48:16,161 --> 00:48:18,163 and dance halls for decades. 1067 00:48:18,263 --> 00:48:19,664 But there is something very different 1068 00:48:19,764 --> 00:48:21,832 about this pale, alluring beauty. 1069 00:48:21,933 --> 00:48:24,635 Can you guess what it is? 1070 00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:27,438 Also, one of our most poignant updates. 1071 00:48:27,538 --> 00:48:30,375 Years ago, two strangers rescued a young mother 1072 00:48:30,475 --> 00:48:32,110 from a fiery car crash. 1073 00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:34,245 Your calls led to their heartwarming reunion. 1074 00:48:36,881 --> 00:48:38,883 Join me next time for another hour 1075 00:48:38,984 --> 00:48:41,319 of fascinating and intriguing mysteries. 1076 00:48:41,419 --> 00:48:44,655 [music playing] 84212

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