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ANNOUNCER: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): This man
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calls himself Jose
Antonio Gonzalez,
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but that is a known alias.
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He is a convicted bank robber
and a man without a past.
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Since his arrest
in 1990, Gonzalez
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has refused to reveal his true
identity or any other detail
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about his shadowy life.
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On June 30, 1991, Larry Williams
walked into his son's house
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and into a nightmare.
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Danny Williams was dead
from a single bullet
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wound to his forehead, at first
glance an obvious suicide.
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But Larry Williams has
collected convincing
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evidence that indicates his
son may have been murdered.
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In 1978, a young
pilot named Frederick
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Valentich took off from
Moorabbin Airport in Australia.
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47 minutes later, a frantic
Valentich radioed that he had
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encountered a bizarre source.
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Then the radio transmissions
abruptly ceased
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and the plane vanished, as
if plucked from the sky.
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Join me for another edition
of "Unsolved Mysteries."
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[theme music]
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Anchorage,
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Alaska, December 11th, 1990.
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At 3:00 PM, two bank employees
arrived at a local mall
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to restock an automated
teller machine.
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The security guard took the
cash into a small secluded room
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behind the machine
while the teller went
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outside to reprogram the ATM.
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Open the door.
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Don't turn around.
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Do exactly what I say
and you won't be hurt.
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Do you understand?
- Yes.
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Open the door.
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[knocking]
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Put your hands above your head.
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Into the room.
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You, over here.
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You, open the
vault. Turn around.
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There was nothing
about this robbery that
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could have happened
that this individual
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wasn't prepared to handle.
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He knew the entrance into
this back room, back hallway
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in order to get into
the teller machine.
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He knew that no one
could see him from there.
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Put the money in the bag.
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Put your hands behind your back.
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DAVID E. HELLER: And he knew
exactly what it took in order
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to open up the machine
where the money was stored
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inside a machine and also
instructed the teller to take
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a videotape out of
the video machine
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so as not to be caught on film.
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Get the surveillance tape now.
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The robber also
had a small smile
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on his face, which the guard
thought was a little peculiar.
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The guard believed that this
robber was very relaxed.
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I know what your name
is, I know where you live.
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Do you understand?
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Yes.
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Both of you, silent
for five minutes.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The FBI
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believed the robbery
was an inside job,
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even though the
two employees had
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not recognized their assailant.
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Suspicion immediately fell on
a former security guard named
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Jose Antonio Gonzalez,
who was already
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being investigated in connection
with a similar robbery.
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But Gonzalez had
conveniently disappeared.
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Two days later in Redmond,
Washington, 1,500 miles south
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of Anchorage, a
postal worker noticed
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a partially opened package.
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Oh, wait a minute.
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This one's torn.
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Wait a minute.
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Looks like a gun in there.
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The address that was
on the top of the box
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was an address to a gentleman
named Jose Antonio Gonzalez
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in Redmond, Washington.
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The return address
was Anchorage, Alaska.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): A second box
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was later found in the same
shipment, also addressed
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to Jose Antonio Gonzalez.
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Postal inspectors obtained a
warrant to search both boxes
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and discovered a small arsenal.
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38, loaded.
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Look at this, Glock--
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loaded, as well.
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Beretta, loaded.
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And what do we have here?
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Money.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
postal inspectors also found
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cash, $65,540, the
exact amount taken
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in the Anchorage ATM heist.
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Make sure he gets an AG-49
and we'll just wait for him.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Postal inspectors
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set up what they call
a controlled delivery,
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in essence a sting operation.
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On December 14, 1990, just
three days after the robbery,
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Jose Gonzalez stepped
right into their trap.
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OK.
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Thank you very much.
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Gonzalez, hands in the air.
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Postal inspectors.
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Back away from the car.
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What's going on?
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Back away from the car.
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Get down on your knees.
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ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Gonzalez
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was charged with armed
bank robbery and four
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counts of illegal transportation
of a firearm using the US Mail.
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Once in custody,
Gonzalez was cooperative,
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perhaps too cooperative.
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Without prompting, he told
authorities his life's story.
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Born in Puerto Rico,
graduated from Knickerbocker
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High School in New
York City, attended
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West Virginia University.
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Gonzalez then rattled
off his social security
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number, his date of birth,
and other vital statistics.
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Thank you.
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Fingerprints over here.
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This man was almost too
good with his background.
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Everything was right there
on the tip of his tongue,
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from where he went
to high school
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to where he was brought up.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Unfortunately,
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nothing Gonzalez said was true.
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There was no Knickerbocker
High School and no one
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named Jose Antonio
Gonzalez had ever attended
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West Virginia University.
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His social security number did
seem legitimate until the FBI
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discovered he and two of them.
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One belonged to a boy
who was 11 years old.
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It was clearly fraudulent.
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But the other had
been issued know say
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Antonio Gonzalez born in 1952.
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Maybe later.
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Where were you born?
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Puerto Rico.
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So we located a
birth certificate
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in Puerto Rico under
the name that he said
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he is, Jose Antonio Gonzalez.
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But then 11 days later, after
the birth of Jose Antonio
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Gonzalez, that child
died of tetanus
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and we have the
death certificate.
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So we know who he is not,
we don't know who he is.
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When did you come
to the United States?
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Under interrogation,
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Gonzalez continued to
embroider the facts.
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His already elaborate background
became more and more exotic.
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Ever been in the service?
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Yes, I have.
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What branch?
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French Foreign Legion.
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French Foreign Legion?
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Yes.
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GORDON D. BITTNER:
Mr. Gonzales indicated
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that he was a former French
Foreign Legionnaire, that he'd
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been in the Legion for
approximately five years,
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that he'd seen action
in Chad and Beirut.
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He claimed to be a martial
arts expert and an expert
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with various types of weapons.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Gonzalez was full of surprises.
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While he was awaiting
trial, the authorities
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discovered that he was
fluent that at least
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four different languages.
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[speaking foreign language]
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GORDON D. BITTNER: Here we
have an individual who speaks,
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apparently writes, and is
very functional in English,
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Spanish, French, and some
type of Croatian dialect.
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He conversed with these
people freely, very easily.
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The man was not your run
of the mill bank robber.
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The more we kept digging into
this gentleman's background,
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the more mystery surrounded him.
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On October 15th, 1992,
the enigmatic Mr. Gonzalez
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was convicted of
armed bank robbery
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and sent to the Sheridan
federal Penitentiary in Oregon.
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But even with Gonzalez
safely behind bars,
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the case continued to
fascinate investigators.
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The only possible key to
the prisoner's true identity
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lay with two mysterious
women, both of whom
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vanished before they
could be questioned.
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Hi.
Can I help you?
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Yes.
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I'm here to pick up the
car for Jose Gonzales.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
After Gonzalez was arrested,
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his car was impounded
by the Redmond Police.
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The next day, a woman
showed up to claim it.
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--from his attorney.
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I don't understand.
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He asked me to come
and pick up his car.
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Is there a problem?
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Yes, ma'am.
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I need what's called an
authorization for release
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and you can get that
from his attorney.
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I cannot get the car at all
without the authorization?
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No, you can't.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
According to the police,
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the woman was an intimate
acquaintance and possibly
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an accomplice of Gonzalez.
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She went by the
name Nadine Castel
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and had known Gonzalez
for at least three years
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before he went to prison.
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GORDON D. BITTNER:
She has always
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been around Mr. Gonzalez.
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At times, she has introduced
Mr. Gonzales as a brother,
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as a lover, and as a friend.
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She's never worked
that we can find.
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Always drove very expensive
cars, always dressed
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in very expensive clothes.
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Nadine appears to
be the person who
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arranges for and
acquires identification
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for Mr. Gonzalez.
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She's always there,
almost like somebody
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that looks over him and
has the documentation
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that he would need.
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She has disappeared, absolutely
disappeared, as far as we
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know, in the United States.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Nadine Castel
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is five feet, five inches
tall, weighs around 125 pounds,
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and has dark hair and eyes.
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She is a French national
who has lived in London
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and the United States.
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She sometimes uses the last
names of Gautam and Cartel.
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Another woman who police believe
might also be an accomplice
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has been positively identified.
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Brenda Penninger was
Gonzalez's girlfriend
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at the time of the robbery.
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A few days after Nadine's
unsuccessful attempt to pick up
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the car, Brenda Penninger
showed up at the impound lot
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with all the right papers.
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The FBI, anticipating
her arrival,
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had asked the impound
lot attendant to serve
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server with a subpoena.
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Is that Brenda Penninger?
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That's right.
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I've been asked
to give this to you.
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Sure.
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What is it?
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That's a subpoena so you'll
come before the grand jury.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Incredibly, just three days
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later, the car
would be found 2,400
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miles away in a parking lot at
the Newark, New Jersey airport.
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We have to this day never
located Miss Penninger.
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We've talked to her mother,
we've talked to everyone
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that we knew that
had contact with her,
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and there has been
no contact that we
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can verify since
that day three days
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after she picked up the car.
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She's gone.
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We don't know where she's at
and we don't know her fate.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Brenda Penninger
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is five feet, nine inches
tall, weighs 145 pounds,
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and has blond hair
and blue eyes.
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Update-- the mystery
robber has been identified,
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thanks in part to a viewer tip.
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His name is Milorad
Zivkovic, a 27-year-old
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Yugoslavian national who was
apparently born in France.
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After the broadcast, authorities
also located and questioned
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Zivkovic's two female friends.
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Neither has been charged with
any wrongdoing in this case.
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As for the mysterious
Zivkovic, investigators
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are still hoping to discover
more about his shadowy past.
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Next, the dramatic
account of a young pilot's
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close encounter of the
most mysterious kind.
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October 21st, 1978, 6:19 PM,
the continent of Australia.
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A single-engine Cessna 182
lifted off from Robin Airport
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just south of Melbourne.
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The pilot was 20-year-old
Frederick Valentich.
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Valentich had been
flying for two years,
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accumulating more than
150 hours of solo time.
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He had dreams of
one day becoming
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a commercial airline pilot.
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Valentich's flight plan called
for a 40-minute trip west
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along the Australian coast.
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At Cape Otway, he
would head south
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for a half hour run over
Bass Strait to King Island.
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It was a route he had
followed on several occasions.
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But this flight would
be anything but routine.
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KEN LLEWELYN: It was a
fairly normal exercise.
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He had an appropriate
instrument rating for the trip.
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It was a very
straightforward flight.
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And I mean, I could see no
reason why it shouldn't have
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been concluded successfully.
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What happened three quarters
of an hour into that flight
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I think will be one
of the great mysteries
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of Australian aviation.
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Melbourne, this is
Delta Sierra Juliet.
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Is there any known
traffic below 5,000?
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Delta Sierra Juliet,
no known traffic.
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Delta Sierra Juliet,
there seems to be
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a large aircraft below 5,000.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
At just over halfway
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through his flight,
Valentich had
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been in contact with the flight
service center on the ground.
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Evidence mounted that
something was not quite right.
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The following
recreation was based
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on the transcript of
Valentich's exchange
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with an air traffic controller.
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It seems to me like some
sort of landing lights.
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As it gets closer, it's--
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could be one or two
lights, I don't know.
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Melbourne, this is
Delta Sierra Juliet.
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00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,298
That aircraft's just passed over
me at least 1,000 feet above.
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00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:09,969
Roger and it is a
large aircraft, confirm?
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Unknown due to the speed
at which it was traveling.
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Is there any Air Force
aircraft in this vicinity?
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Delta Sierra Juliet, no
known aircraft in the vicinity.
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Delta Sierra Juliet, it
seems like he's playing
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some sort of game up here.
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He's trailing over me
at two and three times
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at speeds I cannot identify.
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Can you describe the aircraft?
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Delta Sierra Juliet, as it
passes by, it's a long shape.
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He wasn't to the point
where he was panicking,
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but he was genuinely
concerned by what he saw,
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with what he saw.
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He was worried.
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He sounded confused.
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00:17:02,422 --> 00:17:07,026
Then as he described what
the aircraft was doing,
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I became a little
bit concerned, too.
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Melbourne, this
thing's just stationary.
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What I'm doing now is
orbiting and this thing
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00:17:14,834 --> 00:17:17,604
is just orbiting on top of me.
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00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:23,343
It's got a green light
and it's sort of metallic,
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like it's shiny all over.
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It's just disappeared.
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Melbourne, you wouldn't
know what sort of aircraft
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I've got up here, would you?
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00:17:35,622 --> 00:17:38,258
Is this some sort of
military aircraft or what?
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00:17:38,358 --> 00:17:42,295
Delta Sierra Juliet, is
the aircraft still with you?
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00:17:42,395 --> 00:17:50,537
Delta Sierra Juliet, now
approaching from southwest.
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Delta Sierra Juliet, my
engine's [inaudible].
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I've got is set on 23, 24 and
this thing's just coughing.
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00:17:59,779 --> 00:18:01,681
Delta Sierra Juliet.
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00:18:01,781 --> 00:18:03,082
Melbourne, this
strange aircraft is just
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00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:04,016
hovering on top of me again.
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00:18:06,819 --> 00:18:08,521
It's hovering and it's--
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it's not an aircraft.
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00:18:12,058 --> 00:18:13,226
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Suddenly,
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an unidentifiable clicking
noise came over the radio.
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The sound lasted 17
seconds, then silence.
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Delta Sierra Juliet,
this is Melbourne.
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I had extreme doubt
as to his safety.
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00:18:31,278 --> 00:18:33,580
Flying a single engine
airplane over water,
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lost communication in such
strange circumstances.
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I put an alert phase
on the airplane,
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and once that had
elapsed we then
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went to the distress
phase stage and that was
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the commencement of the search.
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About 11:30 or midnight,
Frederick was not home.
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And then we heard on the radio
that an aircraft went missing.
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00:18:58,938 --> 00:19:02,041
And then two policemen
call at the door
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and they verified that yes,
they said that aircraft
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presumably was your son.
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00:19:10,617 --> 00:19:13,085
It's an extended
search and we don't
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00:19:13,186 --> 00:19:14,020
know what's happened to him.
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ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
For four days,
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a flotilla of search vessels
crisscrossed Bass Strait.
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00:19:21,828 --> 00:19:25,598
There was absolutely no sign
of Valentich or his aircraft,
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no evidence to suggest
there had even been a crash.
365
00:19:29,101 --> 00:19:35,074
All that remained was the final
baffling radio transmission.
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It's hovering and
it's not an aircraft,
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these were Frederick Valentich's
final haunting words,
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words which inevitably
lead to speculation
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that the young pilot
had encountered a UFO.
370
00:19:48,688 --> 00:19:51,291
However, it was nothing
more than speculation
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00:19:51,391 --> 00:19:53,192
until a witness
came forward with
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00:19:53,293 --> 00:19:55,027
a startling firsthand account.
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Around the time of
Valentich's disappearance,
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the eyewitness and his
family were returning
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00:20:03,936 --> 00:20:05,772
from an afternoon
outing when they noticed
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00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:07,774
unusual activity in the sky.
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00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:15,982
- Hey, that's a plane.
- I can see the plane.
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00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:18,184
It's the green light
above the plane, there.
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00:20:18,285 --> 00:20:20,019
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The witness has asked that we
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00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,754
not reveal his identity.
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00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:24,424
Yeah, there.
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EYEWITNESS: I looked up and
saw this long green light
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about 1,000 to 2,000
feet above the aircraft.
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00:20:31,764 --> 00:20:34,867
So we sat there and watched
it for a few seconds.
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00:20:34,967 --> 00:20:38,037
Then the green light
got closer to the plane.
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00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:42,108
I said, that plane is
coming down pretty steep,
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00:20:42,208 --> 00:20:44,444
at a 45 degree angle.
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00:20:44,544 --> 00:20:45,645
I said, I think
it's going to crash.
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00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:53,386
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The eyewitness account
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appeared to support the
theory that Valentich
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00:20:55,722 --> 00:20:58,024
had a run-in with a UFO.
392
00:20:58,124 --> 00:21:01,127
However, the witness did not
actually see the aircraft crash
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00:21:01,227 --> 00:21:02,762
in the Bass Strait.
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00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:06,333
The only certainty was that
Valentich had vanished.
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00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:08,968
Then six weeks later,
an amateur photographer
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00:21:09,068 --> 00:21:10,837
came forward with
evidence that some
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00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:17,043
believe confirmed the presence
of a UFO over Bass Strait.
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00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,245
On the evening of the
flight, Roy Manifold
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00:21:19,346 --> 00:21:22,482
had been setting up to shoot
a sunset at Cape Otway,
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00:21:22,582 --> 00:21:26,453
almost directly under
Valentich's flight path.
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00:21:26,553 --> 00:21:29,589
ROY MANIFOLD: Everything was
fine and done the normal thing.
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00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:33,526
I just had the camera
on automatic exposure.
403
00:21:33,626 --> 00:21:37,864
And I took these six
photographs of the sun
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00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:40,132
disappearing into the sea.
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00:21:44,371 --> 00:21:45,638
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
When developed,
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00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:47,507
the last of
Manifold's photographs
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00:21:47,607 --> 00:21:50,209
displayed a peculiar blemish.
408
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:54,113
I observed this
mark on the print
409
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:56,516
that looked like a developing
error or something,
410
00:21:56,616 --> 00:21:57,517
like they'd mucked it up.
411
00:21:57,617 --> 00:21:58,418
I said, just a minute.
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00:21:58,518 --> 00:22:00,687
That was taken--
that night I took
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00:22:00,787 --> 00:22:07,627
that sunset is exactly the
night that this guy disappeared.
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00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:09,496
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): A
leading Australian photo lab
415
00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:12,164
found neither dirt nor
damage on the negative,
416
00:22:12,264 --> 00:22:13,800
determining that
the strange mark
417
00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,168
was actually in the picture.
418
00:22:16,268 --> 00:22:18,471
The film was later sent
to the United States
419
00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:22,775
for computer analysis by
a team of UFO researchers.
420
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:24,411
They claimed that
the blot was actually
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00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:26,513
a solid metallic object.
422
00:22:26,613 --> 00:22:28,415
To them, it appeared
to be enveloped
423
00:22:28,515 --> 00:22:32,985
in a cloud of exhaust, situated
about a mile from the camera.
424
00:22:33,085 --> 00:22:35,187
However, a second,
more recent, analysis
425
00:22:35,287 --> 00:22:36,989
concluded that
the spot is in all
426
00:22:37,089 --> 00:22:40,359
probability a developing error.
427
00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:43,463
Even so, Roy Manifold
is inclined to believe
428
00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:48,267
the photograph does show
something of consequence.
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00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:50,570
ROY MANIFOLD: Unfortunately,
I didn't see it
430
00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:53,906
and I didn't hear anything
that particular night, either.
431
00:22:54,006 --> 00:22:56,042
First time I've had something
on any of my printing I've
432
00:22:56,142 --> 00:22:58,478
had done with thousands
of photographs
433
00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:02,815
and without any incidents of any
and anything like that on them.
434
00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:05,985
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Skeptics
435
00:23:06,085 --> 00:23:07,987
tend to dismiss the
photograph as just
436
00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:11,290
another far-fetched effort to
prove the existence of visitors
437
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:12,892
from outer space.
438
00:23:12,992 --> 00:23:16,228
But even for those who are
not prone to believe in UFOs,
439
00:23:16,328 --> 00:23:21,233
the events of October 21st, 1978
continue to defy explanation.
440
00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:27,139
There's been no
recovery of any wreckage.
441
00:23:30,209 --> 00:23:38,751
Of course, he has gone so we're
left with an open case which
442
00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:42,221
sounds very much
like he did encounter
443
00:23:42,321 --> 00:23:45,725
something very mysterious.
444
00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:48,160
And there's no other
conclusion that I
445
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:51,698
can come to, other than that.
446
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:52,865
It is hard.
447
00:23:52,965 --> 00:23:56,035
I'm very sentimental
on keeping everything
448
00:23:56,135 --> 00:23:57,369
that belonged to him.
449
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:59,906
Even the motor car that he
was driving to the airport I'm
450
00:24:00,006 --> 00:24:01,841
still driving.
451
00:24:01,941 --> 00:24:07,113
And I believe that my
son possibly one day
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00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:08,548
will come back.
453
00:24:08,648 --> 00:24:13,686
And this is a dream that
might come true one day.
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00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:18,124
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): 15 years
455
00:24:18,224 --> 00:24:19,592
have passed as
Frederick Valentich
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00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:22,228
flew off to his uncertain fate.
457
00:24:22,328 --> 00:24:25,331
However, the questions raised
by his mysterious disappearance
458
00:24:25,431 --> 00:24:28,400
are just as disturbing today.
459
00:24:28,501 --> 00:24:30,903
What exactly did Valentich
see in the minutes
460
00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:33,940
before radio contact was lost?
461
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,909
This thing's just stationary.
462
00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:38,911
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): What
was the brilliant green light
463
00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:42,348
seen hovering over the Cessna,
and did that same light
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00:24:42,448 --> 00:24:46,218
somehow overpowered Valentich's
plane as it vanished from view?
465
00:24:49,455 --> 00:24:51,290
Perhaps the secret of
Frederick Valentich
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00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:55,061
does lie many fathoms
beneath Bass Strait,
467
00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:58,731
or perhaps it lies far from
our planet, light years
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00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:00,633
beyond our understanding.
469
00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:17,784
December 22nd, 1991, Goose
Creek, South Carolina.
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00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:26,693
At 10:30 PM, P A speeding
car with three men
471
00:25:26,793 --> 00:25:29,461
inside was pulled over
on a desolate road
472
00:25:29,562 --> 00:25:32,765
leading to the local marina.
473
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:34,867
I approached the vehicle
on the driver's side
474
00:25:34,967 --> 00:25:36,168
and said, good evening.
475
00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:39,939
Cold I see your license
and registration?
476
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,109
At that point, I got
virtually no response.
477
00:25:43,209 --> 00:25:44,510
Can I see your license
and registration?
478
00:25:44,611 --> 00:25:45,778
AL BELANGER: I figured
maybe he didn't
479
00:25:45,878 --> 00:25:47,814
hear me so I asked him again.
480
00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:50,149
Sir, could I see your license
and registration, please?
481
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:54,821
[speaking spanish]
482
00:25:55,922 --> 00:25:58,457
AL BELANGER: The
person in the back seat
483
00:25:58,557 --> 00:26:02,328
said something in a foreign
language, which I think
484
00:26:02,428 --> 00:26:04,396
was Spanish.
485
00:26:04,496 --> 00:26:07,066
The driver then responded
by reaching across
486
00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:10,236
to the glove box
and pulling out what
487
00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:13,305
turned out to be a passport.
488
00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:15,341
Here's your
paperwork back, sir.
489
00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:20,079
AL BELANGER: I told him to
slow it down, be careful.
490
00:26:20,179 --> 00:26:22,181
I never get any
response from him.
491
00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:25,685
He never said, yes or thank you.
492
00:26:25,785 --> 00:26:27,787
The two guys in front
seat never spoke a word.
493
00:26:33,826 --> 00:26:35,862
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
next morning, Officer Belanger
494
00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:38,931
was surprised to learn that
the two men in the front seat
495
00:26:39,031 --> 00:26:42,835
of the car he had stopped were
supposedly missing at sea,
496
00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:45,337
the focus of an intense
month-long search
497
00:26:45,437 --> 00:26:48,507
by the Coast Guard.
498
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:53,379
The men were French sailors,
37-year-old Yves Emanuel Pain
499
00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:56,515
and 24-year-old
Laurent Hernac, hired
500
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,251
to convoy a French-made
sailboat to new owners.
501
00:27:02,588 --> 00:27:06,492
In October of 1991, they
had embarked on a 2,500-mile
502
00:27:06,592 --> 00:27:09,128
voyage from Annapolis,
Maryland to Guadalupe
503
00:27:09,228 --> 00:27:10,763
in the West Indies.
504
00:27:10,863 --> 00:27:14,000
Their vessel was a state of
the art Antigua catamaran
505
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:17,003
worth $200,000.
506
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:20,472
The boat was perhaps the most
sophisticated of its kind,
507
00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:22,141
strapped to the
gills with high tech
508
00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:24,711
radar, a satellite
tracking unit,
509
00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:28,447
and electronic
navigational equipment.
510
00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:30,116
The Antigua's
unique construction
511
00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:34,053
made it unsinkable and
virtually undetectable to radar,
512
00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:37,189
a perfect vessel for
transporting weapons or drugs.
513
00:27:40,026 --> 00:27:42,028
Yves Emmanuel and
Laurent planned
514
00:27:42,128 --> 00:27:46,365
to sail down the Chesapeake
Bay, around Cape Hatteras,
515
00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:48,434
and parallel to the
East Coast of the US
516
00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:53,806
before jumping to their
final destination, Guadalupe.
517
00:27:53,906 --> 00:27:56,375
When the Antigua failed
to arrive on schedule,
518
00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:59,378
the Coast Guard was notified.
519
00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:02,715
We searched for a
little over two weeks.
520
00:28:02,815 --> 00:28:04,717
We also alerted all the
cutters and aircraft
521
00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:05,885
who search throughout
the Caribbean
522
00:28:05,985 --> 00:28:07,519
every day for other things.
523
00:28:07,619 --> 00:28:10,422
Never saw one sight
of the vessel.
524
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,391
It never showed up, they've
never seen it sense.
525
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:16,028
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
However, the Coast Guard
526
00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:18,364
did discover that the
Antigua was sighted
527
00:28:18,464 --> 00:28:21,167
a number of times
several miles of course
528
00:28:21,267 --> 00:28:23,635
in the Intracoastal Waterway.
529
00:28:23,736 --> 00:28:25,938
The waterway is a
protected inland passage
530
00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:28,640
which stretches from New
England through Florida.
531
00:28:28,741 --> 00:28:33,913
Nobody can explain what
the boat was doing there.
532
00:28:34,013 --> 00:28:36,816
Have you seen this
boat or these two guys?
533
00:28:36,916 --> 00:28:38,918
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
In December of 1991,
534
00:28:39,018 --> 00:28:41,020
two of Yves Emmanuel's
friends flew
535
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,457
from France to South Carolina to
launch their own investigation.
536
00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:50,029
Jean Yves Lallinec and Isabel
[inaudible] by retracing
537
00:28:50,129 --> 00:28:51,764
the catamaran's route.
538
00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:54,533
Their first stop was a
bridge 90 miles north
539
00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:56,235
of Charleston, South Carolina.
540
00:28:56,335 --> 00:28:57,136
Hi.
541
00:28:57,236 --> 00:28:58,004
Bonjour.
542
00:28:58,104 --> 00:28:59,105
How are you?
543
00:28:59,205 --> 00:29:00,206
How can I help you?
544
00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:01,440
Yes.
545
00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,610
We are looking for this
French boat that disappeared
546
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:07,113
along the Waterway in November.
547
00:29:07,213 --> 00:29:08,680
Oh, the Antigua 37.
548
00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:09,581
Sure.
549
00:29:11,383 --> 00:29:13,085
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The bridge tender remembered
550
00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:15,221
seeing the two missing sailors.
551
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:17,123
Surprisingly, he
also revealed there
552
00:29:17,223 --> 00:29:18,557
was a third man on the boat.
553
00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:25,397
A third person was not
supposed to be on board.
554
00:29:25,497 --> 00:29:27,766
The fact that they did
not contact the captain--
555
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:29,701
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Greg
Flynn is a local yachtsman
556
00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:31,003
who helped the search.
557
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:33,505
--plans or that there was
someone else aboard or that
558
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:38,777
they had any trouble indicates
that something happened
559
00:29:38,878 --> 00:29:40,913
that had not been planned for.
560
00:29:43,649 --> 00:29:45,417
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The
mysterious third passenger
561
00:29:45,517 --> 00:29:48,554
was sighted by at least
five different witnesses.
562
00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:51,858
Each reported that the man
did not seem threatening,
563
00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:55,361
leading to rumors that perhaps
one or both of the Frenchmen
564
00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:58,197
had been involved in
stealing the boat.
565
00:29:58,297 --> 00:30:00,199
But their families
and friends vehemently
566
00:30:00,299 --> 00:30:02,134
dismissed that scenario.
567
00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:05,237
Hey, Laurent, [inaudible].
568
00:30:05,337 --> 00:30:07,406
[speaking french]
569
00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:11,143
INTERPRETER: Truly, Yves Emanuel
is not the type of person who
570
00:30:11,243 --> 00:30:12,478
would do something like that.
571
00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:14,580
He was training someone
he didn't know beforehand
572
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,417
and felt responsible, both
for the boat and for Laurent.
573
00:30:18,517 --> 00:30:20,652
It's impossible that Yves
Emanuel would have evolved
574
00:30:20,752 --> 00:30:22,889
Laurent in some
dangerous adventure,
575
00:30:22,989 --> 00:30:25,324
even if it meant making
enormous sums of money.
576
00:30:28,895 --> 00:30:29,962
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Jean Yves
577
00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:32,531
is convinced that the
stranger, perhaps aided
578
00:30:32,631 --> 00:30:36,268
by an armed hidden accomplice,
hijacked the Antigua
579
00:30:36,368 --> 00:30:38,770
but did not know how to sail it.
580
00:30:38,871 --> 00:30:40,139
[speaking french]
581
00:30:41,607 --> 00:30:44,143
INTERPRETER: If the purpose
was simply to steal the boat,
582
00:30:44,243 --> 00:30:45,978
they would have just killed
Yves Emanuel and Laurent
583
00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:47,479
and thrown them overboard.
584
00:30:47,579 --> 00:30:50,216
There must have been a reason
for keeping them alive,
585
00:30:50,316 --> 00:30:53,619
and logically that seems to be
just to keep the boat going.
586
00:30:57,056 --> 00:30:59,926
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Yves
Emanuel Pain and Laurent Hernac
587
00:31:00,026 --> 00:31:02,028
were last seen on the
boat 30 miles south
588
00:31:02,128 --> 00:31:04,296
of Charleston, South Carolina.
589
00:31:04,396 --> 00:31:07,967
Five weeks later, they were
pulled over in a speeding car.
590
00:31:08,067 --> 00:31:11,770
Was the man in the back seat
the mysterious third passenger?
591
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:17,509
Perhaps Emanuel and Laurent were
being held against their will,
592
00:31:17,609 --> 00:31:18,844
or perhaps--
593
00:31:18,945 --> 00:31:21,747
though it seems unlikely--
they fooled everyone and made
594
00:31:21,847 --> 00:31:27,386
of with a $200,000 prize.
595
00:31:27,486 --> 00:31:30,957
Next, a father embarks
on a desperate quest
596
00:31:31,057 --> 00:31:33,859
to prove to authorities that
his son did not commit suicide.
597
00:31:46,272 --> 00:31:51,810
Sunday, June 30, 1991,
Galesburg, Illinois.
598
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,246
Longtime residents
Larry and Lois Williams
599
00:31:54,346 --> 00:31:58,417
had finally given in
to two days of worry.
600
00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:00,987
If he doesn't answer the
door, I'm going to go inside.
601
00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:02,521
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
They had been trying
602
00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:04,856
to reach their 23-year-old son,
Danny, since early Saturday
603
00:32:04,957 --> 00:32:06,092
morning.
604
00:32:06,192 --> 00:32:07,426
I think I can get in
through the kitchen window.
605
00:32:12,231 --> 00:32:13,532
Danny?
606
00:32:13,632 --> 00:32:15,467
This is your dad.
607
00:32:15,567 --> 00:32:16,935
LARRY WILLIAMS: I kept
calling Danny's name,
608
00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:20,172
saying, Danny, this is your dad,
this me coming in, because he
609
00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:22,041
did have a gun in the
house for protection
610
00:32:22,141 --> 00:32:24,443
and I didn't want to be in a
situation where he was asleep
611
00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:25,577
and shot his own dad.
612
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:35,154
My first thought in looking at
him is that he was not alive.
613
00:32:35,254 --> 00:32:37,356
He was sitting on the couch
in an upright position
614
00:32:37,456 --> 00:32:41,060
with a bullet in his head
and a gun in his lap.
615
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,597
So the comment that I made as
I went through the door, ooh,
616
00:32:45,697 --> 00:32:47,666
Dan, don't let this
be what it looks like.
617
00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:51,237
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Danny Williams was
618
00:32:51,337 --> 00:32:53,839
Larry and Lois' youngest son.
619
00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:56,408
For two years, Danny
had managed distribution
620
00:32:56,508 --> 00:32:58,177
for the family's
multimillion dollar
621
00:32:58,277 --> 00:32:59,911
apparel manufacturing company.
622
00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:04,116
He had recently bought his first
house, the house where he died.
623
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:09,355
Larry Williams called
the Galesburg Police.
624
00:33:09,455 --> 00:33:12,124
It's a 9mm
semi-automatic pistol.
625
00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:15,161
JOHN SCHLAF: The position of
the body, the type of wound,
626
00:33:15,261 --> 00:33:19,431
the absence of any specific
evidence of foul play
627
00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:25,537
indicated to us that the
gunshot wound could have
628
00:33:25,637 --> 00:33:28,507
been self-inflicted and
caused us to classify
629
00:33:28,607 --> 00:33:31,077
the case as a suicide.
630
00:33:31,177 --> 00:33:32,811
I grew up in the
South handling guns.
631
00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:36,182
I know how guns operate, I've
shot every kind that there is.
632
00:33:36,282 --> 00:33:38,984
And it would be almost
impossible for an individual
633
00:33:39,085 --> 00:33:43,922
to have shot themselves and
have a gun laying in the lap
634
00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:45,157
in a position this was.
635
00:33:45,257 --> 00:33:48,026
It just wasn't natural.
636
00:33:48,127 --> 00:33:49,895
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Convinced that his son had not
637
00:33:49,995 --> 00:33:52,331
committed suicide,
Larry Williams hired
638
00:33:52,431 --> 00:33:55,267
a private detective,
Mike Turnquist.
639
00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:57,303
The time of Danny's
death had been estimated
640
00:33:57,403 --> 00:34:01,540
to be 2:30 AM on Saturday,
but Turnquist immediately
641
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,209
found a neighbor
who said she had
642
00:34:03,309 --> 00:34:07,646
seen Danny several hours later,
at approximately 10:30 AM.
643
00:34:07,746 --> 00:34:08,847
Good morning, Mrs. Sayrs.
644
00:34:08,947 --> 00:34:09,981
My name is Mike Turnquist.
645
00:34:10,082 --> 00:34:12,551
I'm a private investigator
and I'm working
646
00:34:12,651 --> 00:34:13,985
on the death of Danny Williams.
647
00:34:14,086 --> 00:34:17,623
I shouldn't admit it, but
I watch everybody's business.
648
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:20,192
It was Saturday morning
that I saw Danny
649
00:34:20,292 --> 00:34:22,661
get in the car with this woman.
650
00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:27,466
So naturally, being nosey as I
am, I look her over real good.
651
00:34:27,566 --> 00:34:29,735
She had dark hair.
652
00:34:29,835 --> 00:34:33,639
She would have been
between 25 and 30
653
00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:34,840
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The police
654
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:37,343
knew that Danny, whose
license had been revoked,
655
00:34:37,443 --> 00:34:41,747
was picked up by his mother on
Friday, the day before he died.
656
00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:45,551
They believe Mrs. Sayrs
had her days mixed up.
657
00:34:45,651 --> 00:34:47,553
DARLENE SAYRS: No,
it was not Friday.
658
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:49,388
It was Saturday.
659
00:34:49,488 --> 00:34:53,992
And the lady in the
blue car was too
660
00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,561
young to have been his mother.
661
00:34:57,929 --> 00:34:59,231
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Several witnesses
662
00:34:59,331 --> 00:35:02,834
had also noticed the activity
at Danny's house on Sunday,
663
00:35:02,934 --> 00:35:07,038
a full 24 hours after the
estimated time of death.
664
00:35:07,139 --> 00:35:09,675
One of the people later
seen outside the house
665
00:35:09,775 --> 00:35:12,611
was a young man with curly
brown hair, approximately
666
00:35:12,711 --> 00:35:15,514
five feet, four inches tall.
667
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:18,917
The eyewitness testimony
can easily be mistaken,
668
00:35:19,017 --> 00:35:20,486
it's as simple as that.
669
00:35:20,586 --> 00:35:22,221
They may have seen
some activity there,
670
00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:25,224
but it's a distinct
possibility that the days
671
00:35:25,324 --> 00:35:26,792
may have been
confused as to when
672
00:35:26,892 --> 00:35:31,230
they were seeing that movement.
673
00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:32,798
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Danny's father claims
674
00:35:32,898 --> 00:35:34,166
that some of the
physical evidence
675
00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,502
was turned up by the
police themselves seemed
676
00:35:36,602 --> 00:35:39,238
to argue against suicide.
677
00:35:39,338 --> 00:35:40,606
The bullet which
they believe had
678
00:35:40,706 --> 00:35:44,543
killed Danny exited through his
head and lodged in the wall.
679
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:46,978
Curiously, when the
police removed the bullet,
680
00:35:47,078 --> 00:35:49,281
there was only one small
spot which appeared
681
00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:51,950
to be blood on the paneling.
682
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:54,653
With the head being
that close to the wall,
683
00:35:54,753 --> 00:35:56,655
you most certainly
would expect to find
684
00:35:56,755 --> 00:35:59,458
large or massive amounts
of blood splatter,
685
00:35:59,558 --> 00:36:01,827
either at or near
the back of the couch
686
00:36:01,927 --> 00:36:04,796
and most certainly
on the back wall.
687
00:36:04,896 --> 00:36:06,432
We don't necessarily
agree that there
688
00:36:06,532 --> 00:36:12,338
would have to be a large
quantity of blood behind him.
689
00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:15,707
The theory that there would have
to be a large amount of blood
690
00:36:15,807 --> 00:36:20,379
is in some cases based on
what's seen in the movies
691
00:36:20,479 --> 00:36:21,913
and in what's seen
on television,
692
00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:24,383
and that's not necessarily
consistent with what
693
00:36:24,483 --> 00:36:27,553
happens in fact.
694
00:36:27,653 --> 00:36:29,321
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Larry Williams next brought
695
00:36:29,421 --> 00:36:32,358
in an independent forensic
scientist, Mark Boese,
696
00:36:32,458 --> 00:36:35,093
to determine whether someone
else had been in the house
697
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:37,429
when Danny died.
698
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:40,566
MARK BOESE: I had this feeling
that I was going to go out, see
699
00:36:40,666 --> 00:36:43,335
the house, see a
typical messy scene,
700
00:36:43,435 --> 00:36:48,240
and tell Larry that I think
your son committed suicide.
701
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:52,077
From the pictures of Danny, it
did look like a contact wound
702
00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:53,579
on the forehead.
703
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:57,449
So I could go with a suicide
possibly or an execution.
704
00:36:57,549 --> 00:36:59,217
When we get to the
house and there's
705
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:03,322
a lack of evidence to
support the suicide.
706
00:37:03,422 --> 00:37:05,056
Hey, Larry, you better
take a look at this.
707
00:37:05,156 --> 00:37:06,958
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Boese used a laser luminescence
708
00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:09,060
scanner to search
out organic matter,
709
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,964
including blood, which might not
be apparent to the naked eye.
710
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:15,867
He discovered evidence of
blood in several places,
711
00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:17,669
even on the television set.
712
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:18,670
Wow.
713
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:19,638
Take a look at that.
714
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:22,207
Splatter pattern
all over the TV set.
715
00:37:22,308 --> 00:37:25,911
If Danny had just shot
himself sitting there,
716
00:37:26,011 --> 00:37:28,747
you definitely would
not have a pattern
717
00:37:28,847 --> 00:37:30,282
at all behind the TV set.
718
00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:33,419
And there's nothing in the Danny
got up after shooting himself
719
00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:35,821
and walked around,
so someone else
720
00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:37,489
obviously dropped
the blood droplets
721
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,691
everywhere else that we found.
722
00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:41,627
We'll have to take
a swabbing of that,
723
00:37:41,727 --> 00:37:43,061
bring it back to the
lab and get it typed.
724
00:37:43,161 --> 00:37:44,896
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The blood found on and behind
725
00:37:44,996 --> 00:37:46,865
the television is
still awaiting tests
726
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:49,200
by a forensic scientist
who specializes
727
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:51,437
in blood pattern analysis.
728
00:37:51,537 --> 00:37:53,905
However, samples found in
other parts of the house
729
00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,974
have been typed.
730
00:37:56,074 --> 00:37:59,144
Danny Williams' blood
was type B. Mark Boese
731
00:37:59,244 --> 00:38:04,850
found type B and type O blood in
the den where Danny's body was.
732
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:08,887
Oddly, Boese also found
type O blood in the bathroom
733
00:38:08,987 --> 00:38:13,325
and inside the pocket
of Danny's jeans.
734
00:38:13,425 --> 00:38:15,126
It is not possible that
all blood in the room
735
00:38:15,226 --> 00:38:16,127
came from Danny.
736
00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:18,063
It's an impossibility.
737
00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:22,534
This evidence suggests to me
that two people in the room
738
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:27,539
were bleeding, two
separate individuals.
739
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,040
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
The official police
740
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:30,842
positions is that
the alleged type O
741
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,911
blood samples had
been compromised when
742
00:38:33,011 --> 00:38:35,113
the crime scene was cleaned.
743
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:37,649
According to the
Illinois State Crime Lab,
744
00:38:37,749 --> 00:38:42,187
the adulterated samples could
not be typed definitively.
745
00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:43,789
I would begin to
question their procedures
746
00:38:43,889 --> 00:38:46,358
if they claim that
they did not find
747
00:38:46,458 --> 00:38:47,826
type O blood on the evidence.
748
00:38:47,926 --> 00:38:50,261
I could guarantee you,
send that same evidence
749
00:38:50,362 --> 00:38:51,863
to five different
independent laboratories that
750
00:38:51,963 --> 00:38:56,101
have no idea what this case
is about, that have no idea
751
00:38:56,201 --> 00:38:58,737
that this was a murder
or suicide or anything,
752
00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:03,409
and they will come back with
type B blood and type O blood.
753
00:39:03,509 --> 00:39:04,610
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): The police
754
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:06,311
also point out that
there was no way
755
00:39:06,412 --> 00:39:08,346
to determine how
long the alleged type
756
00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:10,348
O blood had been there.
757
00:39:10,449 --> 00:39:12,718
Further, they say that
Mark Boese's samples,
758
00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:15,186
taken six weeks
after Danny's death,
759
00:39:15,286 --> 00:39:18,356
were not fresh enough to type.
760
00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,492
I don't know why they
would argue the point.
761
00:39:20,592 --> 00:39:23,595
King Tut was typed
for blood and he's how
762
00:39:23,695 --> 00:39:25,597
many thousands of years old?
763
00:39:25,697 --> 00:39:31,737
The independent lab feels
very confident in their results.
764
00:39:31,837 --> 00:39:35,173
They have provided those
results to Mr. Williams
765
00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:37,676
and that's contributed
to his concerns
766
00:39:37,776 --> 00:39:41,680
about the finding of suicide.
767
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:44,583
We feel just as strongly about
the results of the Illinois
768
00:39:44,683 --> 00:39:47,686
State Crime Lab, that
there was no evidence
769
00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:51,590
of a type O blood in that home.
770
00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:53,324
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
Mark Boese's investigation
771
00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:55,193
appeared to turn up
a piece of evidence
772
00:39:55,293 --> 00:39:57,095
which had been
previously overlooked
773
00:39:57,195 --> 00:39:59,931
and which supported the
theory that the blood of two
774
00:40:00,031 --> 00:40:03,735
different people was
shed in Danny's house.
775
00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:06,204
It's the same type that
Danny's gun would use.
776
00:40:06,304 --> 00:40:08,206
LARRY WILLIAMS: When Mark
was processing the room,
777
00:40:08,306 --> 00:40:11,943
he opened the couch up and
a shell casing fell out.
778
00:40:12,043 --> 00:40:13,479
Later tests showed
that this shell
779
00:40:13,579 --> 00:40:16,648
did come from Danny's gun,
it had been recently fired.
780
00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:20,285
So there were two shells
found on the couch
781
00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:22,688
that came from Danny.
782
00:40:22,788 --> 00:40:25,056
Now, we tried to
analyze and decided,
783
00:40:25,156 --> 00:40:27,859
well, did Danny shoot someone?
784
00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:31,597
Did someone else use
Danny's gun and shoot him?
785
00:40:31,697 --> 00:40:34,299
From the scene photos I
saw, Danny's gun was laying
786
00:40:34,399 --> 00:40:37,202
on his lap, his hand was
laying on top of the gun
787
00:40:37,302 --> 00:40:43,041
just as if he shot and
then set it back down.
788
00:40:43,141 --> 00:40:47,613
It's a little inconsistent
with a suicide.
789
00:40:47,713 --> 00:40:48,814
OK, Larry.
790
00:40:48,914 --> 00:40:50,849
I set up the rod here in
line with the bullet path
791
00:40:50,949 --> 00:40:52,017
through the wall.
792
00:40:52,117 --> 00:40:54,152
Now I'm going to
get down and try
793
00:40:54,252 --> 00:40:58,389
to get my head in line with
the bullet path and the wall.
794
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:59,591
How am I doing?
795
00:40:59,691 --> 00:41:00,959
Well, you're low enough,
but you've got to point
796
00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:02,027
the gun more toward the wall.
797
00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:02,928
I can't do it.
798
00:41:03,028 --> 00:41:05,263
I can't squeeze off.
799
00:41:05,363 --> 00:41:07,833
The only way I can
think of is holding
800
00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:10,936
the weapon in this manner.
801
00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:11,837
OK.
802
00:41:11,937 --> 00:41:13,639
How am I doing?
- Yeah.
803
00:41:13,739 --> 00:41:15,473
The line's right.
- All right.
804
00:41:15,574 --> 00:41:18,409
And it's through my head
and it can be squeezed off.
805
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:20,145
But you would fall
over on the floor.
806
00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:21,279
I would fall
over on the floor.
807
00:41:21,379 --> 00:41:23,448
The body would
have gone forward.
808
00:41:23,549 --> 00:41:25,517
The body wouldn't
have moved back
809
00:41:25,617 --> 00:41:27,986
into the position it was
in and the gun probably
810
00:41:28,086 --> 00:41:29,354
would not have been in his lap.
811
00:41:29,454 --> 00:41:33,191
It probably would be on the
floor or the coffee table.
812
00:41:33,291 --> 00:41:36,227
Our investigation indicated
that the position of the hole
813
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:40,098
in the wall was consistent with
the way the body was found,
814
00:41:40,198 --> 00:41:43,368
primarily based on the
fact that we, again,
815
00:41:43,468 --> 00:41:48,273
can't say specifically how
the individual was sitting
816
00:41:48,373 --> 00:41:51,342
and exactly where on the couch
he was sitting at the time
817
00:41:51,442 --> 00:41:52,978
that the weapon was discharged.
818
00:41:55,647 --> 00:41:56,748
ROBERT STACK
(VOICEOVER): Mark Boese
819
00:41:56,848 --> 00:41:58,316
has come to believe
that Danny was
820
00:41:58,416 --> 00:42:00,986
probably not shot in the den.
821
00:42:01,086 --> 00:42:04,189
One theory is that there was
an altercation somewhere else,
822
00:42:04,289 --> 00:42:08,126
during which Danny's blood and
another person's was spilled.
823
00:42:08,226 --> 00:42:11,429
Perhaps that person took
Danny's keys out of his pocket,
824
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:14,666
leaving behind a
trace of type O blood.
825
00:42:14,766 --> 00:42:17,969
Finally, the crime scene was
arranged to make Danny's death
826
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:18,904
look like a suicide.
827
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,077
We can advance theories
all day long, everyone can.
828
00:42:26,177 --> 00:42:29,648
But the factual data
that we've gathered we
829
00:42:29,748 --> 00:42:31,783
feel comfortable with.
830
00:42:31,883 --> 00:42:33,418
Well, he picked
up a gun and he--
831
00:42:33,518 --> 00:42:35,086
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER):
According to the police,
832
00:42:35,186 --> 00:42:38,757
there was one final fact to
support the suicide ruling.
833
00:42:38,857 --> 00:42:41,593
They say that Danny Williams'
girlfriend described
834
00:42:41,693 --> 00:42:44,663
an argument which had also
resulted in a shooting incident
835
00:42:44,763 --> 00:42:46,564
six months before Danny's death.
836
00:42:48,133 --> 00:42:51,670
JOHN SCHLAF: He had placed a
weapon, a handgun, to his head.
837
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:53,839
She then turned and
started to leave the room
838
00:42:53,939 --> 00:42:55,841
and heard the weapon
discharge and found
839
00:42:55,941 --> 00:42:58,677
that he had discharged
the weapon into a wall.
840
00:42:58,777 --> 00:43:02,914
So apparently, he had
considered this act
841
00:43:03,014 --> 00:43:05,717
before, he had discussed
this act before
842
00:43:05,817 --> 00:43:09,487
and had taken I think what
would have to be considered
843
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:11,422
a substantial step
towards that act
844
00:43:11,522 --> 00:43:14,626
by the discharge of the
weapon during the argument.
845
00:43:14,726 --> 00:43:15,927
What it appears
that's happened
846
00:43:16,027 --> 00:43:17,629
is they have come
up with a conclusion
847
00:43:17,729 --> 00:43:19,965
and then they've gone to
a great degree of effort
848
00:43:20,065 --> 00:43:23,568
to try to support their
theory that they put together.
849
00:43:23,669 --> 00:43:26,037
Had they put as much effort
into trying to find out
850
00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:27,939
what the truth was
and what happened,
851
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,875
they would be working
along the same lines
852
00:43:29,975 --> 00:43:32,744
that the family is today.
853
00:43:32,844 --> 00:43:34,212
Fact.
854
00:43:34,312 --> 00:43:35,180
Danny?
855
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,749
This is your dad.
856
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:39,918
LARRY WILLIAMS: The
investigators, crime labs,
857
00:43:40,018 --> 00:43:41,720
and what have you
that I've had working
858
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:44,389
on this from the beginning,
as soon as they went
859
00:43:44,489 --> 00:43:47,425
into the house and saw
evidence that was in there
860
00:43:47,525 --> 00:43:50,495
and is still there now,
were convinced, as I was,
861
00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:53,264
that it was cold-blooded murder.
862
00:43:53,364 --> 00:43:55,100
ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In
this most perplexing case,
863
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,535
one issue has never
been addressed.
864
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:02,107
If Danny Williams was murdered,
who killed him and why?
865
00:44:02,207 --> 00:44:05,276
Questions even his father
has been unable to answer.
866
00:44:27,098 --> 00:44:29,600
Next week, "Unsolved
Mysteries" travels
867
00:44:29,701 --> 00:44:32,470
to Russia to investigate
the fascinating mystery
868
00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:34,139
of Anastasia.
869
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,742
She was a beautiful teenage
daughter of the last czar
870
00:44:36,842 --> 00:44:39,344
of Russia, Nicolas II.
871
00:44:39,444 --> 00:44:42,714
History holds at the entire
imperial family was executed
872
00:44:42,814 --> 00:44:45,550
in the aftermath of the
Bolshevik Revolution,
873
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:48,586
but years later, a woman named
Hannah Anderson turned up
874
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:51,489
in Germany claiming
that she was Anastasia
875
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:54,459
and many believe she had
the evidence to prove it.
876
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,362
Her incredible claims sparked
a 35-year court battle
877
00:44:57,462 --> 00:45:02,100
for the czar's legacy
of $80 million.
878
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,402
Join me next time for
this intriguing journey
879
00:45:04,502 --> 00:45:07,038
to turn of the century
Russia and more
880
00:45:07,138 --> 00:45:08,006
on "Unsolved Mysteries."
881
00:45:08,106 --> 00:45:10,742
[theme music]
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