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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,443 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,543 --> 00:00:11,345 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,445 --> 00:00:12,980 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,081 --> 00:00:15,283 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,288 --> 00:00:22,823 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): December 12, 1985. 7 00:00:22,923 --> 00:00:24,792 A chartered plane went down in flames 8 00:00:24,892 --> 00:00:26,860 outside Gander, Newfoundland, Canada, 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,131 killing 248 American soldiers. 10 00:00:30,231 --> 00:00:32,966 Officially, the crash was ruled an accident caused by ice 11 00:00:33,067 --> 00:00:36,604 on the wings, but eyewitnesses tell of intense fires that 12 00:00:36,704 --> 00:00:39,607 could bot be extinguished and a mysterious cache of weapons 13 00:00:39,707 --> 00:00:41,309 recovered from the wreckage. 14 00:00:41,409 --> 00:00:46,814 For the young GIs had fallen victim to a terrorist bomb. 15 00:00:46,914 --> 00:00:48,382 As a child, Peggie Lloyd was haunted 16 00:00:48,482 --> 00:00:51,985 by the elusive vision of a brother she barely remembered. 17 00:00:52,086 --> 00:00:54,155 Finally, the discovery of an old snapshot 18 00:00:54,255 --> 00:00:57,358 launched Peggie on a determined quest for answers. 19 00:00:57,458 --> 00:00:59,560 Perhaps you can help end her search 20 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:02,663 for her long lost brother. 21 00:01:02,763 --> 00:01:04,798 The terrible tragedy in Waco, Texas 22 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:06,234 has focused the nation's attention 23 00:01:06,334 --> 00:01:10,338 on a scattering of religious cults across the United States. 24 00:01:10,438 --> 00:01:13,807 In one cult, unrelated to the Branch Davidian sect, 25 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:17,545 Nelson DeCloud was seen as a dynamic, charismatic messenger 26 00:01:17,645 --> 00:01:20,047 of God by his followers. 27 00:01:20,148 --> 00:01:22,783 However, According to one member who fled the cult, 28 00:01:22,883 --> 00:01:24,618 DeCloud used his position to demand 29 00:01:24,718 --> 00:01:29,590 sexual favors from some of the women in his congregation. 30 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:32,393 Also tonight, a moving and joyous update. 31 00:01:32,493 --> 00:01:34,662 Thanks to our broadcast, two childhood 32 00:01:34,762 --> 00:01:38,699 friends separated for more than 30 years have been reunited. 33 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,703 Joined me for these fascinating stories in tonight's Unsolved 34 00:01:42,803 --> 00:01:45,105 Mysteries. 35 00:01:45,206 --> 00:01:47,608 [theme music] 36 00:02:41,429 --> 00:02:44,097 These men were members of the elite the 101st Airborne 37 00:02:44,198 --> 00:02:46,534 unit of the United States Army. 38 00:02:46,634 --> 00:02:51,171 On December 12, 1985, they were among 248 young soldiers cut 39 00:02:51,272 --> 00:02:55,409 down in their prime, all killed instantly 40 00:02:55,509 --> 00:02:57,378 when their transport plane crashed 41 00:02:57,478 --> 00:02:59,580 in Gander, Newfoundland. 42 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,215 It was the worst single air disaster 43 00:03:01,315 --> 00:03:03,817 in US military history. 44 00:03:03,917 --> 00:03:05,753 Officially, the crash was written off to ice 45 00:03:05,853 --> 00:03:09,189 on the plane's wings, but many of the young men's families, 46 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:11,559 as well as several key investigators, 47 00:03:11,659 --> 00:03:13,727 believe that the true cause of the Gander tragedy 48 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:16,096 remains an unsolved mystery. 49 00:03:20,268 --> 00:03:22,503 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): On December 11, 1985, 50 00:03:22,603 --> 00:03:26,039 the 101st Airborne left Cairo, Egypt on a chartered Arrow 51 00:03:26,139 --> 00:03:28,742 Air DC8 much like this one. 52 00:03:28,842 --> 00:03:31,011 They were going home to Fort Campbell, Kentucky 53 00:03:31,111 --> 00:03:34,181 after a six month peacekeeping mission in the Sinai. 54 00:03:34,282 --> 00:03:36,083 Following one stop in Germany, they 55 00:03:36,183 --> 00:03:37,685 landed for refueling at the Gander, 56 00:03:37,785 --> 00:03:39,387 Newfoundland Airport in Canada. 57 00:03:42,290 --> 00:03:45,192 An hour later, just after takeoff, tragedy struck. 58 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:51,565 The DC8 crashed less than three miles 59 00:03:51,665 --> 00:03:56,236 from the Gander control tower, killing everyone on board. 60 00:03:56,337 --> 00:03:58,839 The wreckage was scattered over an area 3,500 61 00:03:58,939 --> 00:04:03,511 feet long and 130 feet wide. 62 00:04:03,611 --> 00:04:05,679 Almost immediately, a man purporting 63 00:04:05,779 --> 00:04:09,283 to represent the terrorist organization Islamic Jihad 64 00:04:09,383 --> 00:04:11,552 telephoned the US consulate in Algeria 65 00:04:11,652 --> 00:04:14,121 to claim responsibility. 66 00:04:14,221 --> 00:04:17,257 Nevertheless, US army officials who arrived in Gander 67 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:20,227 within hours quickly discounted the possibility 68 00:04:20,328 --> 00:04:22,095 of terrorist involvement. 69 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,468 Later, a Canadian board of inquiry 70 00:04:27,568 --> 00:04:31,839 stated that ice on the plane's wings had brought it down. 71 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:33,907 However, four of the board's nine members 72 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:36,310 publicly descended, insisting that ice 73 00:04:36,410 --> 00:04:40,113 did not cause the crash. 74 00:04:40,213 --> 00:04:43,851 There was certainly some kind of an explosion. 75 00:04:43,951 --> 00:04:46,854 And a small explosion that disabled the control 76 00:04:46,954 --> 00:04:49,790 system that led to the sequence of events 77 00:04:49,890 --> 00:04:52,660 that led to this disaster. 78 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,497 But what caused that explosion, whether it was sabotage 79 00:04:56,597 --> 00:04:59,400 or whether it was the accidental detonation of some kind 80 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:03,637 of military equipment that was carried against regulations, 81 00:05:03,737 --> 00:05:09,276 we really don't have a better idea than we had in 1988. 82 00:05:09,377 --> 00:05:10,578 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The dissenters 83 00:05:10,678 --> 00:05:12,780 were particularly disturbed by the pulverized state 84 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,583 of the wreckage. 85 00:05:15,683 --> 00:05:18,652 Usually in a takeoff crash, large sections of the plane 86 00:05:18,752 --> 00:05:23,391 remain intact, and many passengers survive. 87 00:05:23,491 --> 00:05:26,126 A normal kind of takeoff accident can be quite serious 88 00:05:26,226 --> 00:05:28,362 and can involve a fire, but basically the aircraft 89 00:05:28,462 --> 00:05:31,198 isn't completely destroyed. 90 00:05:31,298 --> 00:05:33,401 You usually don't have a huge explosion 91 00:05:33,501 --> 00:05:35,002 because when the tanks are full, it 92 00:05:35,102 --> 00:05:38,105 doesn't give the fuel a chance to mix with oxygen 93 00:05:38,205 --> 00:05:42,009 like you need for an explosion. 94 00:05:42,109 --> 00:05:44,244 You get an explosion when the aircraft crashes 95 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:46,980 with partial tanks, and takeoff accidents 96 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,283 are usually survivable. 97 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:51,719 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The US government 98 00:05:51,819 --> 00:05:53,754 claimed there was no evidence that an on board 99 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:56,123 explosion had caused the crash. 100 00:05:56,223 --> 00:05:59,727 They steadfastly denied that either explosives or ammunition 101 00:05:59,827 --> 00:06:02,563 had been carried as cargo. 102 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:04,698 Eyewitness reports from the Cairo airport, 103 00:06:04,798 --> 00:06:07,868 however, cast doubt on the government's position. 104 00:06:07,968 --> 00:06:10,571 The 101st Airborne waited for eight hours 105 00:06:10,671 --> 00:06:13,140 while they were transferred to a larger plane. 106 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,309 In the process, the duffel bags of 41 soldiers 107 00:06:16,410 --> 00:06:18,345 were left behind on the tarmac to make room 108 00:06:18,446 --> 00:06:21,081 for several large wooden boxes. 109 00:06:21,181 --> 00:06:23,617 Many believe the boxes contained some type 110 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:26,987 of classified weapons. 111 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:30,891 At the Gander crash site, one of the rescue workers, Harvey Day, 112 00:06:30,991 --> 00:06:34,194 says he saw five wooden boxes. 113 00:06:34,294 --> 00:06:35,429 Sir, that's as far as you can go. 114 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:39,032 HARVEY: I decided to walk down to see what was in this area. 115 00:06:39,132 --> 00:06:41,702 When I got about 10 feet from it, 116 00:06:41,802 --> 00:06:43,771 this military guy walked up towards me. 117 00:06:43,871 --> 00:06:45,806 He said, you'd better go back. 118 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:47,475 He said, you're not allowed down there. 119 00:06:47,575 --> 00:06:51,178 But I stopped and looked, and I saw what people are 120 00:06:51,278 --> 00:06:53,514 beginning to say didn't exist. 121 00:06:53,614 --> 00:06:56,283 I saw five large wooden boxes. 122 00:06:56,383 --> 00:06:59,386 They were black, a bit burnt from the fire. 123 00:06:59,487 --> 00:07:04,658 And I saw arms, rifles, and I saw things like missiles 124 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:06,293 and little metal boxes. 125 00:07:06,393 --> 00:07:08,729 They looked like ammunition boxes. 126 00:07:08,829 --> 00:07:10,931 And it was all piled up very neatly 127 00:07:11,031 --> 00:07:12,533 into this cordoned off area. 128 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:13,767 Sir, I can't answer that. 129 00:07:13,867 --> 00:07:14,868 This is military business. 130 00:07:14,968 --> 00:07:16,470 You do not need to know any of that at all. 131 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:17,237 You can just go on back. - No, no, no. 132 00:07:17,337 --> 00:07:18,238 I just want to see what-- 133 00:07:18,338 --> 00:07:19,272 Sir, you don't have to see anything. 134 00:07:19,372 --> 00:07:20,474 This is official military business. 135 00:07:20,574 --> 00:07:21,842 If you don't leave, I'll have you removed 136 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:23,343 by force from the premises. Now just go on. 137 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:24,478 All right, all right. 138 00:07:24,578 --> 00:07:25,846 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In addition, 139 00:07:25,946 --> 00:07:28,482 Day recalls one unusual hot spot resulting from the crash. 140 00:07:31,852 --> 00:07:33,453 HARVEY (VOICEOVER): And there was two firefighters, 141 00:07:33,554 --> 00:07:37,457 and they had a continuous stream of water onto this pile. 142 00:07:37,558 --> 00:07:39,560 And I thought it very peculiar. 143 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:41,428 And I walked over to one chap, and I asked-- 144 00:07:41,529 --> 00:07:42,896 What's going on, eh? 145 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:43,997 It keeps flaring up. 146 00:07:44,097 --> 00:07:45,666 We're gonna have to keep pouring water on it. 147 00:07:45,766 --> 00:07:46,600 It's that bad? 148 00:07:49,102 --> 00:07:50,804 HARVEY (VOICEOVER): The minute he took the water away, 149 00:07:50,904 --> 00:07:52,873 it just flared back up again. 150 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:55,609 We've got to do this, he said. 151 00:07:55,709 --> 00:07:58,378 Until it burns out or it cools down to the point where were 152 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:00,781 can remove what's there. 153 00:08:00,881 --> 00:08:02,082 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Within weeks, 154 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:04,217 Harvey Day and several other rescue workers 155 00:08:04,317 --> 00:08:06,620 began to complain of health problems. 156 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,256 To some, the symptoms sounded suspiciously 157 00:08:09,356 --> 00:08:12,092 like radiation poisoning. 158 00:08:12,192 --> 00:08:14,327 I think we had over 30 who described 159 00:08:14,427 --> 00:08:18,566 some type of malady or sickness as a result of the crash. 160 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:21,001 And they ranged from liver problems 161 00:08:21,101 --> 00:08:24,504 to what people thought were heart attacks and just 162 00:08:24,605 --> 00:08:26,139 general illnesses. 163 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:27,407 And this is what was checked out. 164 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:30,878 And it got to be rather scary. 165 00:08:30,978 --> 00:08:32,079 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According 166 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:34,848 to one unnamed source, the United States government 167 00:08:34,948 --> 00:08:37,551 allegedly sealed its crash investigation records 168 00:08:37,651 --> 00:08:39,853 for a period of 70 years. 169 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:42,089 However, several government agencies, 170 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:44,324 including the Department of Defense and the National 171 00:08:44,424 --> 00:08:47,027 Transportation Safety Board, deny 172 00:08:47,127 --> 00:08:48,596 that any such records exist. 173 00:08:52,465 --> 00:08:56,637 We know that the files on the Gander incident 174 00:08:56,737 --> 00:09:02,275 would not be sealed for 70 years if it were simply ice. 175 00:09:02,375 --> 00:09:06,179 We know that there had to be something very, very 176 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:09,850 politically embarrassing that could have been very 177 00:09:09,950 --> 00:09:13,286 harmful to the Reagan administration, that 178 00:09:13,386 --> 00:09:15,088 had to be covered up. 179 00:09:15,188 --> 00:09:17,625 As one family member put it, she 180 00:09:17,725 --> 00:09:22,329 wants to know if her family member died protecting 181 00:09:22,429 --> 00:09:26,299 this country, or if he died because our government was 182 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:29,637 protecting itself. 183 00:09:29,737 --> 00:09:31,171 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In the early 1980s, 184 00:09:31,271 --> 00:09:34,307 the United States government had begun illegally selling arms 185 00:09:34,407 --> 00:09:37,244 to Iran in a covert and byzantine operation 186 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:39,546 now known as Iran-Contra. 187 00:09:39,647 --> 00:09:43,050 The operation, ostensibly aimed at freeing American hostages 188 00:09:43,150 --> 00:09:45,485 in the Middle East, was apparently in jeopardy 189 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,788 at the time of the Gander crash. 190 00:09:47,888 --> 00:09:49,122 National Security Council. 191 00:09:49,222 --> 00:09:50,624 I assumed that the president-- 192 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:51,992 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Just a few days 193 00:09:52,092 --> 00:09:54,662 before the crash, Colonel Oliver North warned in at least 194 00:09:54,762 --> 00:09:57,765 two separate memos that the United States risked, 195 00:09:57,865 --> 00:10:00,533 quote, "a renewed wave of terrorism. 196 00:10:00,634 --> 00:10:03,837 A US reversal now could ignite Iranian fire. 197 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:08,308 The hostages would be our minimum losses." 198 00:10:08,408 --> 00:10:12,179 Whatever happened in Gander I believe, 199 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:17,818 would have either caused political embarrassment, 200 00:10:17,918 --> 00:10:21,655 or an international incident, or both. 201 00:10:21,755 --> 00:10:25,926 And whatever the reason was for the cover up in 1985 still 202 00:10:26,026 --> 00:10:28,595 exists today. 203 00:10:28,696 --> 00:10:29,897 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): US government 204 00:10:29,997 --> 00:10:33,200 investigators did appear to be behaving strangely. 205 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,336 First off, the crash site was bulldozed within three months-- 206 00:10:36,436 --> 00:10:39,239 a highly unusual practice. 207 00:10:39,339 --> 00:10:41,441 The US Army says it was done simply 208 00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:44,511 to discourage souvenir hunters. 209 00:10:44,611 --> 00:10:46,179 Secondly, the remains of the plane 210 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:49,149 were quickly disposed of, buried in a dump. 211 00:10:49,249 --> 00:10:52,119 Again, highly unusual procedure. 212 00:10:52,219 --> 00:10:55,188 As a rule, downed airplanes are virtually reassembled 213 00:10:55,288 --> 00:10:56,389 in order to study the crash. 214 00:10:59,226 --> 00:11:01,294 One of the young men who lost his life at Gander 215 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:03,731 was 23-year-old Sergeant James Douglas 216 00:11:03,831 --> 00:11:06,533 Phillips, the only son of Dr. Douglas 217 00:11:06,633 --> 00:11:09,336 Phillips, a pathologist. 218 00:11:09,436 --> 00:11:12,272 Disillusioned by the official reports, Dr. Phillips 219 00:11:12,372 --> 00:11:15,475 and his wife Azona formed an organization called Families 220 00:11:15,575 --> 00:11:17,878 for Truth about Gander. 221 00:11:17,978 --> 00:11:21,048 They requested several scrapped sections from the DC8, 222 00:11:21,148 --> 00:11:24,718 and were surprised when the government sent them. 223 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:27,454 An expert hired to analyze the scraps, 224 00:11:27,554 --> 00:11:29,189 claimed the outward puckered edges 225 00:11:29,289 --> 00:11:34,862 showed that a blast had indeed occurred inside the plane. 226 00:11:34,962 --> 00:11:39,599 I think the airplane exploded in midair and then went down 227 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:44,104 and it hit the ground with a gigantic fireball 228 00:11:44,204 --> 00:11:47,841 ensuing upon hitting, when the fuel ignited. 229 00:11:47,941 --> 00:11:49,609 But there's no doubt in my mind that there 230 00:11:49,709 --> 00:11:53,814 was a fire or an explosion while the plane was still in flight. 231 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:57,785 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Dr. Phillips turned 232 00:11:57,885 --> 00:12:00,120 up one final chilling fact. 233 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:02,890 Autopsies revealed that many of the dead soldiers 234 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:05,025 had a significant amount of carbon monoxide 235 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:05,926 in their bodies. 236 00:12:09,029 --> 00:12:13,666 The toxicology report showed that the victims had indeed 237 00:12:13,767 --> 00:12:18,772 breathed in carbon monoxide prior to the plane 238 00:12:18,872 --> 00:12:21,541 hitting the ground and exploding. 239 00:12:21,641 --> 00:12:27,647 This had to be from a detonation, a fire or explosion 240 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:31,018 on board the craft. 241 00:12:31,118 --> 00:12:33,253 I guess the thing that bothers me the most 242 00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:37,024 is there are people out there living ordinarily-- 243 00:12:37,124 --> 00:12:43,696 ordinary day life, going about their business and their jobs, 244 00:12:43,797 --> 00:12:45,899 and they know what happened. 245 00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:48,135 And they will tell us, and they won't help us. 246 00:12:51,338 --> 00:12:53,206 In 1990, a congressional hearing 247 00:12:53,306 --> 00:12:56,576 on again the Gander disaster was convened in Washington DC. 248 00:12:56,676 --> 00:12:58,912 While the committee did criticize the government's 249 00:12:59,012 --> 00:13:01,614 lackluster post-crash investigation, 250 00:13:01,714 --> 00:13:05,385 it stopped short of recommending a full scale re-investigation. 251 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:07,154 The families of the dead men are left 252 00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:10,790 to wonder why and how their sons, husbands, 253 00:13:10,891 --> 00:13:12,259 and brothers really died. 254 00:13:15,562 --> 00:13:16,763 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, a woman 255 00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:19,532 discovers that her long lost father was a circus 256 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:20,934 clown with a broken heart. 257 00:13:30,577 --> 00:13:33,246 During the Second World War, more than 16 million 258 00:13:33,346 --> 00:13:34,915 American men and women were called 259 00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:36,917 upon to serve the country. 260 00:13:37,017 --> 00:13:40,253 Inevitably, many families would not survive the stress 261 00:13:40,353 --> 00:13:43,256 of wartime separation. 262 00:13:43,356 --> 00:13:46,860 28-year-old Lee Curly Lloyd was one of those whose marriage was 263 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,263 a casualty of the war effort. 264 00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:52,732 While Curly was in the service, his son and two daughters 265 00:13:52,832 --> 00:13:55,368 lived in Oroville, California, with a woman who ran 266 00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:57,604 a boarding house for children. 267 00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:59,072 [knocking on door] 268 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:01,041 Huh, someone's at the door. 269 00:14:01,141 --> 00:14:02,409 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At the time, 270 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:04,311 Peggie Lloyd was three years old, 271 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:09,016 her sister four, and their little brother Arthur two. 272 00:14:09,116 --> 00:14:13,420 One day in 1944, Curly's wife arrived at the boarding house. 273 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,655 She was accompanied by the man she would marry 274 00:14:15,755 --> 00:14:17,991 when her divorce was final. 275 00:14:18,091 --> 00:14:18,892 I've come here. 276 00:14:18,992 --> 00:14:20,994 I want to take my children. 277 00:14:21,094 --> 00:14:22,829 Just the girls, though, not Arthur. 278 00:14:22,930 --> 00:14:24,397 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Peggie and her sister 279 00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:26,199 went to live with their mother and the man who 280 00:14:26,299 --> 00:14:28,101 was to become their stepfather. 281 00:14:28,201 --> 00:14:29,002 It's all right. 282 00:14:29,102 --> 00:14:29,903 OK, let's go. 283 00:14:32,172 --> 00:14:33,473 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Peggie's brother 284 00:14:33,573 --> 00:14:34,975 Arthur was left behind. 285 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,784 Peggie Lloyd grew up being told that her father had deserted 286 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,020 the family, and questions about her brother 287 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,489 were ignored or brushed aside. 288 00:14:49,589 --> 00:14:50,991 She began to wonder if Arthur had 289 00:14:51,091 --> 00:15:01,234 ever even existed until a quiet summer day in 1948. 290 00:15:01,334 --> 00:15:02,869 PEGGIE (VOICEOVER): I climbed up into the attic 291 00:15:02,970 --> 00:15:06,173 and crawled along, kind of looking at things. 292 00:15:06,273 --> 00:15:07,440 In the back was a bunch of boxes. 293 00:15:19,086 --> 00:15:22,255 So I was playing in this particular group of boxes, 294 00:15:22,355 --> 00:15:23,423 and I found this picture. 295 00:15:28,128 --> 00:15:33,133 When I looked at the picture, I just I knew that it was Arthur. 296 00:15:33,233 --> 00:15:34,467 I couldn't say that that was a memory. 297 00:15:34,567 --> 00:15:35,368 It was a feeling. 298 00:15:35,468 --> 00:15:36,869 It was like, he looked like me. 299 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:37,937 He was the right age. 300 00:15:38,038 --> 00:15:38,938 It just felt-- 301 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:40,107 I knew that it was Arthur. 302 00:15:49,482 --> 00:15:51,684 Peggie, what are you doing? 303 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:54,287 Where have you been? 304 00:15:54,387 --> 00:15:57,390 Look, it's Arthur. 305 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:59,026 My brother. 306 00:15:59,126 --> 00:16:01,128 Then that proves it. 307 00:16:01,228 --> 00:16:02,029 He's my brother. 308 00:16:04,764 --> 00:16:07,867 She the picture from me, and it went away. 309 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,336 And I never saw the picture again, 310 00:16:09,436 --> 00:16:12,172 and I still never got an answer. 311 00:16:12,272 --> 00:16:14,674 But of course in my mind I just knew. 312 00:16:14,774 --> 00:16:19,046 And so I guess that I just grew up believing that wherever 313 00:16:19,146 --> 00:16:21,214 my father was, Arthur was. 314 00:16:24,017 --> 00:16:25,252 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Peggie's life 315 00:16:25,352 --> 00:16:28,588 at home grew increasingly difficult. At the age of nine, 316 00:16:28,688 --> 00:16:31,124 she was sent to the first in a series of foster homes 317 00:16:31,224 --> 00:16:32,825 and boarding schools. 318 00:16:32,925 --> 00:16:36,163 She married in 1958, at age 17, and raised 319 00:16:36,263 --> 00:16:38,365 four daughters of her own. 320 00:16:38,465 --> 00:16:41,401 Over the years, Peggie remained in contact with her mother 321 00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:46,639 but never learned anything more about her brother or father. 322 00:16:46,739 --> 00:16:49,442 He's been working on it for a whole year. 323 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:51,511 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Finally in 1983, Peggie 324 00:16:51,611 --> 00:16:54,414 presented her mother with a picture-filled genealogical 325 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:57,450 chart as a way of once again bringing up the subject 326 00:16:57,550 --> 00:16:58,385 of Arthur and Curly. 327 00:16:58,485 --> 00:17:00,487 The first one starts with 1879. 328 00:17:00,587 --> 00:17:01,921 Oh my. 329 00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:03,156 And look way up here. 330 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:04,257 Oh, look at me. 331 00:17:04,357 --> 00:17:05,558 PEGGIE (VOICEOVER): I was an adult now, 332 00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:07,727 and she didn't have to be so afraid of what I did. 333 00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:10,797 And perhaps she would give you that information 334 00:17:10,897 --> 00:17:14,834 and feel like enough time had passed that she could do that. 335 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:17,670 I'd forgotten that one. 336 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:21,808 But you know, Mom, there is still something missing. 337 00:17:21,908 --> 00:17:23,210 I still don't have any information 338 00:17:23,310 --> 00:17:24,811 about my own father. 339 00:17:24,911 --> 00:17:26,979 Peggie, don't start with me again, please. 340 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:28,915 We just want to know where he was born, Mom. 341 00:17:29,015 --> 00:17:30,117 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): In the end, 342 00:17:30,217 --> 00:17:32,352 Peggie's mother relented and reluctantly 343 00:17:32,452 --> 00:17:33,986 revealed Curly's birth place. 344 00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:34,887 Please, Mom? 345 00:17:34,987 --> 00:17:36,923 Lindsey, Oklahoma. 346 00:17:37,023 --> 00:17:39,226 Thanks. 347 00:17:39,326 --> 00:17:40,527 Thanks. 348 00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:41,894 PEGGIE (VOICEOVER): The next day, 349 00:17:41,994 --> 00:17:45,432 I called there on the phone, and I put an ad in their local 350 00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:48,401 weekly newspaper, asking if anybody knew 351 00:17:48,501 --> 00:17:51,504 his whereabouts or Arthur's. 352 00:17:51,604 --> 00:17:54,607 And it was from there that things began to happen. 353 00:18:00,380 --> 00:18:01,681 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The family 354 00:18:01,781 --> 00:18:05,685 secrets of nearly 40 years were unlocked with stunning speed. 355 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:07,954 Just nine days after placing the ad, 356 00:18:08,054 --> 00:18:11,057 Peggie received a letter from an aunt, Velma Lloyd, who 357 00:18:11,158 --> 00:18:14,227 was married to Curly's brother. 358 00:18:14,327 --> 00:18:16,329 Velma had included her phone number, 359 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:20,032 and Peggie immediately called her newly discovered relative. 360 00:18:23,136 --> 00:18:24,537 Hello? 361 00:18:24,637 --> 00:18:29,509 May I speak with Velma Lloyd, please? 362 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,844 PEGGIE (VOICEOVER): While I was talking to her on the phone, 363 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:34,647 I was, like, flipping through the rest of the letters. 364 00:18:34,747 --> 00:18:37,817 And there I saw this one that had one of those return 365 00:18:37,917 --> 00:18:42,189 address stamps on it that said Curly-n-Cue, 366 00:18:42,289 --> 00:18:43,456 Clown Alley, Spokane. 367 00:18:47,627 --> 00:18:50,397 When I first saw the letter from my dad, 368 00:18:50,497 --> 00:18:54,634 it was like I felt like my heart stopped. 369 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:55,868 It was a mixture. 370 00:18:55,968 --> 00:19:00,072 It was like I was really excited and really emotional. 371 00:19:00,173 --> 00:19:01,808 Then I started crying. 372 00:19:01,908 --> 00:19:04,544 Then I was really frightened. 373 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:07,180 I didn't know anything about my father. 374 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,416 I thought, well, what if what he says in the letter is I 375 00:19:09,516 --> 00:19:11,451 don't want anything to do with you? 376 00:19:11,551 --> 00:19:16,088 But of course I just overcame that, and I opened the letter, 377 00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:20,393 and the letter said "my beloved daughter, how thrilled 378 00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:22,829 I am to hear from you." 379 00:19:22,929 --> 00:19:26,999 It was like-- it's indescribable. 380 00:19:27,099 --> 00:19:28,835 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Peggie was surprised to learn 381 00:19:28,935 --> 00:19:31,838 that for many years, both before and after the war, 382 00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:34,073 her father was a clown with Ringling Brothers 383 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,309 and other smaller circuses. 384 00:19:36,409 --> 00:19:39,979 In 1955, Curly had even performed within five miles 385 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,782 of Peggie's home in Southern California, 386 00:19:42,882 --> 00:19:44,851 but they would not see each other until Peggie's 387 00:19:44,951 --> 00:19:50,923 43rd birthday in 1984. 388 00:19:51,023 --> 00:19:52,792 This home video was shot at Peggie 389 00:19:52,892 --> 00:19:56,796 and Curly's long awaited reunion in Spokane, Washington. 390 00:19:56,896 --> 00:19:59,466 It was the first birthday Peggie had spent with her father 391 00:19:59,566 --> 00:20:00,933 since she was three years old. 392 00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:06,439 Suddenly, I had a grandfather, and aunts, 393 00:20:06,539 --> 00:20:08,908 and uncles, and cousins, and just 394 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:11,711 this whole world of family. 395 00:20:11,811 --> 00:20:14,847 And they just all acted like I'd been there my whole life, 396 00:20:14,947 --> 00:20:17,917 like they'd always been my family. 397 00:20:18,017 --> 00:20:20,520 It's just a wonderful thing. 398 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:22,021 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): The celebration was 399 00:20:22,121 --> 00:20:24,156 perfect in every way but one. 400 00:20:24,257 --> 00:20:28,361 Peggie's brother Arthur was not with the family. 401 00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:30,430 But finally, Peggie was able to learn 402 00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:38,771 what had happened to Arthur since she last saw him in 1944. 403 00:20:38,871 --> 00:20:41,508 For four years, Arthur had traveled with the circus, 404 00:20:41,608 --> 00:20:44,076 watching his father perform in towns and cities 405 00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:45,978 across America. 406 00:20:46,078 --> 00:20:49,248 Curly had no idea where his ex-wife and his two daughters 407 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:51,318 were living. 408 00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:52,218 Hey, Arthur. 409 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:53,386 How you doing? 410 00:21:03,162 --> 00:21:04,497 Hey, prissy monkey. 411 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:06,333 You were real good in the show today. 412 00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:07,700 Hi, prissy monkey. 413 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,101 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At first, Curly 414 00:21:09,201 --> 00:21:12,505 believed that circus life would be rewarding for his young son. 415 00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:15,375 Curly himself had joined the circus when he was nine, 416 00:21:15,475 --> 00:21:18,511 and saw nothing wrong with their itinerant life. 417 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:21,047 His friends advised him otherwise. 418 00:21:21,147 --> 00:21:23,483 Come here. 419 00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,452 The circus people told him that Arthur 420 00:21:25,552 --> 00:21:27,520 needed to be in school. 421 00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:33,259 Arthur needed a home, stability, real parents, and a family 422 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:35,194 that he could grow up with in one place, 423 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:39,298 and that the circus life wasn't a good home for him. 424 00:21:39,399 --> 00:21:43,202 Curly, have you thought this out carefully? 425 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:44,571 Yes, I have. 426 00:21:44,671 --> 00:21:46,305 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): After much soul searching, 427 00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:48,675 Curly reached a painful decision. 428 00:21:48,775 --> 00:21:51,378 He sought out a Catholic priest in Logan, Utah, 429 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:54,947 where the circus was performing in the fall of 1948. 430 00:21:55,047 --> 00:21:58,818 All right, the Church can find him a home. 431 00:21:58,918 --> 00:22:00,653 I appreciate it. 432 00:22:00,753 --> 00:22:03,222 Curly, Take care of yourself, OK? 433 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:04,256 Thank you, Father. 434 00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:06,158 Say goodbye to your son. 435 00:22:06,258 --> 00:22:07,059 Arthur. 436 00:22:11,063 --> 00:22:12,432 Hey, come here. 437 00:22:16,403 --> 00:22:19,305 Hey, I want you to take care of yourself, OK? 438 00:22:19,406 --> 00:22:20,507 All right? 439 00:22:20,607 --> 00:22:23,109 And this man here, he's going to take care of you. 440 00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:26,345 Be good and remember everything Daddy told you, OK? 441 00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:27,279 All right. 442 00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:31,317 OK, you run along now. 443 00:22:39,792 --> 00:22:41,528 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Arthur was six years old when 444 00:22:41,628 --> 00:22:43,930 Curly gave him up for adoption. 445 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:46,833 15 years later, Curly would receive two letters 446 00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:49,001 from his son, but neither contained 447 00:22:49,101 --> 00:22:52,338 Arthur's adopted last name or his return address. 448 00:22:52,439 --> 00:22:55,742 The letters had been mailed from Colorado Springs, Colorado. 449 00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:00,346 I tried Colorado Springs. 450 00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:03,049 I didn't find anything there. 451 00:23:03,149 --> 00:23:05,418 I seemed to be at a loss. 452 00:23:05,518 --> 00:23:08,821 And when my dad became really ill, 453 00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:11,157 it was like I have to find Arthur. 454 00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:14,794 I have to find him before he dies. 455 00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:16,028 Hi. 456 00:23:16,128 --> 00:23:17,063 Ah, look at you. 457 00:23:17,163 --> 00:23:19,866 You're just a mess, just a mess. 458 00:23:19,966 --> 00:23:22,769 How you doing, huh? 459 00:23:22,869 --> 00:23:25,271 PEGGIE (VOICEOVER): Curly, and I had seven really 460 00:23:25,371 --> 00:23:27,039 wonderful years of friendship. 461 00:23:31,377 --> 00:23:32,845 We became really good friends, and we 462 00:23:32,945 --> 00:23:35,848 talked about Arthur a lot. 463 00:23:35,948 --> 00:23:37,817 He really felt really sad about it. 464 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:40,520 I mean, he felt really guilty about it. 465 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:41,420 I've only got one regret. 466 00:23:44,323 --> 00:23:48,360 We haven't found Arthur. 467 00:23:48,461 --> 00:23:50,196 I want you to find him. 468 00:23:50,296 --> 00:23:52,732 I will find him. 469 00:23:52,832 --> 00:23:54,166 Tell I'm-- 470 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:55,134 I'm sorry. 471 00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:00,406 It's OK. 472 00:24:00,507 --> 00:24:03,409 PEGGIE (VOICEOVER): It was like he said to me, Peggie, 473 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:05,144 I don't know about Arthur. 474 00:24:05,244 --> 00:24:08,247 I'm so sorry about Arthur. 475 00:24:08,347 --> 00:24:12,218 But I know that you'll find him. 476 00:24:12,318 --> 00:24:14,120 Somehow I believe that I know that we will. 477 00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:20,893 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Lee Curly Lloyd 478 00:24:20,993 --> 00:24:24,597 died in 1991 at the age of 77. 479 00:24:24,697 --> 00:24:26,766 He was comforted at least in some measure 480 00:24:26,866 --> 00:24:31,337 by Peggie's promise to continue searching for Arthur. 481 00:24:31,437 --> 00:24:33,606 This is one of only two known photographs 482 00:24:33,706 --> 00:24:35,642 of Arthur Franklin Lloyd. 483 00:24:35,742 --> 00:24:38,044 When the picture was taken, Arthur was two years old 484 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:39,846 and had blonde hair. 485 00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:44,917 He has blue eyes and would today be 50 years old. 486 00:24:45,017 --> 00:24:46,118 I have to find Arthur. 487 00:24:46,218 --> 00:24:48,988 I have to find him to say you have a family. 488 00:24:49,088 --> 00:24:53,092 You have someone, not just myself, but all of Curly's 489 00:24:53,192 --> 00:24:56,829 family, who love you, and want you, and want to know you. 490 00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:01,768 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When we return, 491 00:25:01,868 --> 00:25:05,137 a young woman accuses a spiritual leader of rape. 492 00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:07,439 Authorities need your help to find him. 493 00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:18,818 [dialing] 494 00:25:22,388 --> 00:25:24,390 Answer the phone. 495 00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:25,291 TIM (ON PHONE): Hello? 496 00:25:25,391 --> 00:25:26,358 Tim? 497 00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:27,827 This is Julie. 498 00:25:27,927 --> 00:25:29,095 What are you doing? It's late. 499 00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:29,996 JULIE (ON PHONE): I know. 500 00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:30,897 Can you please come get me. 501 00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:34,366 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Shortly before midnight 502 00:25:34,466 --> 00:25:39,138 on September 17, 1982, a young woman named Julie Cooper made 503 00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:43,242 an impassioned phone call, a cry for help to Tim Santi, 504 00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:45,244 a virtual stranger whom she had met 505 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:48,581 only once when he repaired the satellite dish on the farm 506 00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:50,049 where she lived. 507 00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:53,019 JULIE (ON PHONE): When can you come pick me up? 508 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,687 TIM (VOICEOVER): Julie had told me bits and pieces 509 00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:57,757 of what had gone on, but I'm still 510 00:25:57,857 --> 00:25:59,592 not aware of the whole story. 511 00:25:59,692 --> 00:26:01,761 And I'm thinking, well, you know it's no big deal. 512 00:26:01,861 --> 00:26:04,096 Nobody's going to catch us. 513 00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:08,267 We tentatively set the time for 1:15 in the morning. 514 00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:10,302 I drove up to the corner. 515 00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,739 Before you get to the road down to her house at 1:13, 516 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:17,176 I waited for two minutes and drove down there. 517 00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:20,579 She was crouched down in the grass 518 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,682 with a trash bag full of clothes. 519 00:26:26,018 --> 00:26:28,254 Go, go, go! 520 00:26:28,354 --> 00:26:32,258 TIM (VOICEOVER): She was very, very, nervous and very afraid. 521 00:26:32,358 --> 00:26:34,093 You are the wearers of white. 522 00:26:34,193 --> 00:26:35,862 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie Cooper told Tim Santi 523 00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:39,098 that for 16 years she had been trapped in a religious cult 524 00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:41,067 called the DeCloud Family. 525 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:44,303 The family, nearly 30 men, women, and children, 526 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:49,308 lived together in a commune far removed from the outside world. 527 00:26:49,408 --> 00:26:52,645 In some ways, the DeCloud family resembled the Branch Davidian 528 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:57,416 sect, the religious cult led by David Koresh in Waco, Texas. 529 00:26:57,516 --> 00:26:59,886 That group lived in a fortified compound, where 530 00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:02,254 a two month stand off with federal agents 531 00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:03,555 recently ended in tragedy. 532 00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:07,894 David Koresh's group was just one 533 00:27:07,994 --> 00:27:10,730 of an estimated 2,000 religious cults which have sprung 534 00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:13,199 up throughout the country. 535 00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:15,935 Many are headed by self-proclaimed messiahs, who 536 00:27:16,035 --> 00:27:17,937 rule with absolute authority. 537 00:27:18,037 --> 00:27:20,472 When Julie Cooper finally escaped from the DeCloud 538 00:27:20,572 --> 00:27:22,709 Family, she began to make accusations 539 00:27:22,809 --> 00:27:26,512 which paint a horrifying picture of life within the commune. 540 00:27:26,612 --> 00:27:28,948 The most chilling allegations focus on the leader 541 00:27:29,048 --> 00:27:30,817 of the cult, Nelson DeCloud. 542 00:27:33,619 --> 00:27:34,854 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nelson DeCloud 543 00:27:34,954 --> 00:27:37,623 is an ex-police officer from Raytown, Missouri, 544 00:27:37,724 --> 00:27:40,126 a suburb of Kansas City. 545 00:27:40,226 --> 00:27:42,394 His family, as he calls his followers, 546 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:45,765 had actually been founded by his father, Forrest DeCloud, 547 00:27:45,865 --> 00:27:48,067 around 1968. 548 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:52,504 Before Forrest died in 1988, Nelson ascended to the role 549 00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:54,606 of spiritual leader. 550 00:27:54,707 --> 00:27:57,276 Soon, he moved his followers to an isolated 551 00:27:57,376 --> 00:27:59,345 farm in Liberty, Missouri. 552 00:27:59,445 --> 00:28:01,380 Nearly all family members were encouraged 553 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,950 to change their last names to DeCloud, 554 00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:06,352 literally "of the clouds." 555 00:28:06,452 --> 00:28:08,788 Quiet, please. 556 00:28:08,888 --> 00:28:14,727 Praise the Lord, and welcome him into the temple DeCloud. 557 00:28:14,827 --> 00:28:15,627 Praise the Lord. 558 00:28:15,728 --> 00:28:16,829 Praise the Lord. 559 00:28:16,929 --> 00:28:18,865 Praise the Lord! 560 00:28:18,965 --> 00:28:20,266 Praise the Lord! 561 00:28:20,366 --> 00:28:23,903 Today's lesson is from Revelations 13. 562 00:28:24,003 --> 00:28:26,205 Open your Bibles, please. 563 00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:31,010 Nelson thought that he was God's son. 564 00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:33,112 Not really that he was Jesus Christ, 565 00:28:33,212 --> 00:28:35,782 but that he was one of God's sons, 566 00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:38,317 and that he couldn't do any wrong. 567 00:28:38,417 --> 00:28:40,586 And I said unto him, sir-- 568 00:28:40,686 --> 00:28:42,288 JULIE (ON PHONE): Nelson had a very booming voice. 569 00:28:42,388 --> 00:28:46,225 And his eyes were like a white blue, 570 00:28:46,325 --> 00:28:48,761 which just would scare you. 571 00:28:48,861 --> 00:28:52,698 And made them white in the blood of the lamb. 572 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:53,565 Amen. 573 00:28:53,665 --> 00:28:54,633 Praise the Lord. 574 00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,003 Praise the Lord. 575 00:28:57,103 --> 00:28:58,370 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie Cooper 576 00:28:58,470 --> 00:29:01,040 was just six when her family joined the cult in the mid-70s. 577 00:29:04,276 --> 00:29:06,979 Julie claims she eventually learned that DeCloud expected 578 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,583 perverse, almost repulsive forms of devotion from his followers. 579 00:29:11,683 --> 00:29:12,651 Hallelujah. 580 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:13,920 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When she was 10, 581 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:15,955 Julie says DeCloud forced her to watch 582 00:29:16,055 --> 00:29:20,026 him have sex with a female member of the family. 583 00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:22,228 Amen. 584 00:29:22,328 --> 00:29:23,863 I want you to stay out here for a little while. 585 00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:26,165 JULIE (VOICEOVER): He asked me to have sex with him, and I 586 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,533 didn't want to, and I didn't. 587 00:29:27,633 --> 00:29:30,502 What I want you to do, Julie, is what God wants you to do. 588 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:31,904 You understand me? - Yes. 589 00:29:32,004 --> 00:29:33,072 All right. 590 00:29:33,172 --> 00:29:34,907 JULIE (VOICEOVER): I guess he was so far into a 591 00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:37,276 he couldn't do any wrong kind of deal 592 00:29:37,376 --> 00:29:40,146 that it didn't matter to him. 593 00:29:40,246 --> 00:29:41,280 Now, you listen to me. 594 00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:44,516 Do you know how old Mary was when she had Jesus? 595 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:45,818 14 years old. 596 00:29:45,918 --> 00:29:46,919 14 years old. 597 00:29:47,019 --> 00:29:47,887 Now, you think about that. 598 00:29:47,987 --> 00:29:50,122 There's nothing wrong with that. 599 00:29:50,222 --> 00:29:52,758 JULIE (VOICEOVER): He put me out in this, like, wooded area. 600 00:29:52,859 --> 00:29:53,893 I didn't haven't food. 601 00:29:53,993 --> 00:29:56,262 I didn't have any jacket or anything like hat. 602 00:29:56,362 --> 00:29:58,697 When are you coming back? 603 00:29:58,797 --> 00:29:59,798 I'll know when to come back. 604 00:29:59,899 --> 00:30:01,767 God will tell me when to come back. 605 00:30:04,536 --> 00:30:05,938 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Julie, 606 00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:09,842 she stood in the field alone and shivering for eight hours 607 00:30:09,942 --> 00:30:14,013 before Nelson took her back to the compound. 608 00:30:14,113 --> 00:30:15,848 Disobedience! 609 00:30:15,948 --> 00:30:22,588 There is a sinner amongst us, and I am deeply troubled. 610 00:30:22,688 --> 00:30:24,456 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie says that another member 611 00:30:24,556 --> 00:30:27,759 of the family was public dehumidify after she confronted 612 00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:28,961 DeCloud and his cruelty. 613 00:30:29,061 --> 00:30:31,797 She has chosen to disobey my word. 614 00:30:31,898 --> 00:30:35,767 She has chosen to disobey God's word. 615 00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:38,470 JULIE (VOICEOVER): He was going to make an example of her 616 00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:39,638 in front of me, in front of others. 617 00:30:42,641 --> 00:30:43,775 And that was enough to scare me. 618 00:30:43,876 --> 00:30:46,445 He knew that I was already scared. 619 00:30:46,545 --> 00:30:48,547 No! 620 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:54,586 I felt like it was my fault, because here 621 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,590 she tried to stand up for me, and I wasn't giving in. 622 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,263 And maybe if I had given in earlier, 623 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:05,431 he wouldn't have done that. 624 00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:15,207 He found me, and he says, well, are you ready now? 625 00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:17,276 Of course, you know, after all that had happened, 626 00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:19,078 I just said "yes." 627 00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:22,581 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie Cooper 628 00:31:22,681 --> 00:31:24,483 claims she became a virtual prisoner 629 00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:27,719 in the compound, forced to serve as one of DeCloud's 630 00:31:27,819 --> 00:31:29,688 unwilling sex partners. 631 00:31:29,788 --> 00:31:32,058 When she was 15, Julie says she made 632 00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:35,027 her first attempt to escape. 633 00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:36,362 After everything that had happened 634 00:31:36,462 --> 00:31:39,966 to me, everything that was going on, I decided to run away. 635 00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:43,269 I just couldn't take anymore. 636 00:31:43,369 --> 00:31:44,636 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Julie's absence 637 00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:45,972 did not go unnoticed. 638 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:49,108 Nelson DeCloud immediately organized search parties 639 00:31:49,208 --> 00:31:50,576 to comb the area. 640 00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:55,114 Julie. 641 00:31:55,214 --> 00:31:56,782 Julie, you stop right where you are! 642 00:31:56,882 --> 00:31:57,683 You hear me, girl? 643 00:31:57,783 --> 00:31:59,151 You stay right there. 644 00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:00,386 Stop right there. 645 00:32:00,486 --> 00:32:01,287 No! 646 00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:04,690 Come here. 647 00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:05,992 No, let me go, please! 648 00:32:09,861 --> 00:32:10,829 Let me go! 649 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:12,198 JULIE (VOICEOVER): Nelson and another guy 650 00:32:12,298 --> 00:32:17,936 came, picked me up, handcuffed me, and took me back. 651 00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:21,440 I was so scared of him, of what would happen to me. 652 00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:22,341 Offer your shoes! 653 00:32:32,651 --> 00:32:34,053 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): According to Julie, 654 00:32:34,153 --> 00:32:37,089 she was ordered to disrobe. 655 00:32:37,189 --> 00:32:38,790 And later, she was severely beaten. 656 00:32:42,528 --> 00:32:43,329 Offer your shirt. 657 00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:51,937 Nelson switched me, and burned my clothes, burned my shoes. 658 00:32:52,038 --> 00:32:55,641 And it was like a symbolic thing. 659 00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:57,976 After that, he always kept me with him. 660 00:32:58,077 --> 00:33:03,082 I always had his sleep with him in his bus, in his area. 661 00:33:03,182 --> 00:33:05,651 He wouldn't let me out of anybody's sight. 662 00:33:05,751 --> 00:33:06,785 I always had to be watched. 663 00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:11,757 So that's one thing that really kept me on edge, 664 00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,660 and kept me from ever trying to run away, because I was 665 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,197 afraid someone would see me. 666 00:33:18,297 --> 00:33:20,866 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Seven more years passed. 667 00:33:20,966 --> 00:33:22,968 Julie Cooper remained, feeling stripped 668 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:24,636 of her freedom and dignity, waiting 669 00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:27,273 for one more chance to escape. 670 00:33:27,373 --> 00:33:32,144 Then, in the fall of 1992, the opportunity arose. 671 00:33:32,244 --> 00:33:34,513 At Nelson's request, Julie contacted 672 00:33:34,613 --> 00:33:36,815 a satellite dish repairman. 673 00:33:36,915 --> 00:33:39,051 Numerous calls followed until finally 674 00:33:39,151 --> 00:33:43,855 Tim Santi made his appearance at the DeCloud commune. 675 00:33:43,955 --> 00:33:45,357 TIM (VOICEOVER): As I pull into the driveway, 676 00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:46,892 I see several cars. 677 00:33:46,992 --> 00:33:49,328 And I see a lot of kids running around. 678 00:33:49,428 --> 00:33:50,596 And the first impression that I get 679 00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:54,100 is that this has to be some type of party. 680 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,734 Right, OK. 681 00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:57,969 Sister Julie, could I interrupt you just a second? 682 00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:59,037 This is Tim. 683 00:33:59,138 --> 00:34:02,141 He's the man from the satellite company. 684 00:34:02,241 --> 00:34:03,575 TIM (VOICEOVER): When I got into the office, 685 00:34:03,675 --> 00:34:05,777 I guess I sort of more or less recognized Julie, 686 00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:08,647 because I had built up a rapport with her on the telephone 687 00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:10,416 in the weeks preceding to me coming up there 688 00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:11,850 and doing the service call. 689 00:34:15,587 --> 00:34:19,825 Julie was very meek, in as much as she wasn't as outgoing 690 00:34:19,925 --> 00:34:21,193 as she was on the phone. 691 00:34:21,293 --> 00:34:26,465 She seemed stifled or held back because of some other reason 692 00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:29,835 than anything obvious. 693 00:34:29,935 --> 00:34:31,237 Oh, Brother Nelson. 694 00:34:31,337 --> 00:34:34,206 This is our brother in God, Nelson DeCloud. 695 00:34:34,306 --> 00:34:37,209 Nelson, I'd like for you to meet Tim. 696 00:34:37,309 --> 00:34:40,646 When Tim was introduced to Nelson, 697 00:34:40,746 --> 00:34:42,248 he didn't show him any respect. 698 00:34:42,348 --> 00:34:44,516 He didn't think of him as anybody or anything. 699 00:34:47,353 --> 00:34:48,587 And that made me feel good. 700 00:34:48,687 --> 00:34:51,022 It made me feel like I could trust in someone. 701 00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:53,325 I could actually talk to this person 702 00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:55,261 and he could understand me. 703 00:34:55,361 --> 00:34:59,631 Over the next couple of weeks afterward, 704 00:34:59,731 --> 00:35:01,433 I had asked her out for a date. 705 00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:03,402 And she seemed like she was willing, 706 00:35:03,502 --> 00:35:07,206 but that there was something that was holding her back. 707 00:35:07,306 --> 00:35:10,142 Well, he had asked me out, and of course I told him 708 00:35:10,242 --> 00:35:12,378 that I couldn't go, and I couldn't go for a year, 709 00:35:12,478 --> 00:35:13,679 wouldn't be able to get out for a year. 710 00:35:13,779 --> 00:35:14,980 And that was just a way of putting him 711 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,484 off and seeing if he was willing to go 712 00:35:18,584 --> 00:35:20,786 on with trying to wear me down. 713 00:35:20,886 --> 00:35:23,021 In the course of our conversations on the phone, 714 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:24,356 we had-- 715 00:35:24,456 --> 00:35:27,125 she had come up with a plan that she would need to sneak 716 00:35:27,226 --> 00:35:30,562 out at night undetected. 717 00:35:30,662 --> 00:35:32,564 JULIE (VOICEOVER): I called Tim up and I said, 718 00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:34,500 I want to go tonight. 719 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,935 We made a time at 1:15 in the morning, 720 00:35:37,035 --> 00:35:41,640 and sure enough, when 1:15 hit, he was there. 721 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:44,510 Go, go, go! 722 00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:50,182 After I left, I was afraid they would take me back, 723 00:35:50,282 --> 00:35:55,621 they would beat me, do something to my mom. 724 00:35:55,721 --> 00:35:58,357 I'm still afraid that he is torturing my mom 725 00:35:58,457 --> 00:35:59,458 in some way for what I've done. 726 00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:04,896 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): At dawn, Nelson DeCloud 727 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:07,199 went looking for Julie. 728 00:36:07,299 --> 00:36:09,901 Allegedly masquerading as police officers, 729 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:15,607 Nelson and another family member drove to Tim Santi's address. 730 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:19,878 Hey, hey, where's Julie? 731 00:36:19,978 --> 00:36:20,779 What? 732 00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:23,048 Where is Julie? 733 00:36:23,148 --> 00:36:24,383 Who's Julie? 734 00:36:24,483 --> 00:36:25,984 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Fortunately for Julie, 735 00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:28,787 the address belonged to Tim's brother, Ted. 736 00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:32,224 Tim and Julie were just a few yards away, sound asleep 737 00:36:32,324 --> 00:36:34,460 in the house next door. 738 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,627 Who are you guys? 739 00:36:35,727 --> 00:36:37,396 We're the-- we're the police. 740 00:36:37,496 --> 00:36:38,764 Looking for Tim. 741 00:36:38,864 --> 00:36:41,132 You got a warrant or something? 742 00:36:41,233 --> 00:36:42,401 You got a warrant, pal? 743 00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:44,102 Where is Tim? Where is Tim? 744 00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:45,103 You guys aren't cops. 745 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:47,939 Hey, get out of here! 746 00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:49,207 You both get the hell out of my house! 747 00:36:49,308 --> 00:36:50,476 The next day, Ted came up to me 748 00:36:50,576 --> 00:36:52,578 and said, what the hell's going on here? 749 00:36:52,678 --> 00:36:59,451 Two strange people had come into his home looking for me, 750 00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,521 like I was a criminal or something. 751 00:37:02,621 --> 00:37:03,855 They won't let me leave. 752 00:37:03,955 --> 00:37:06,458 And that's when Julie had told us the whole thing 753 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,560 of what was going on. 754 00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:10,862 Why did you want to run away? 755 00:37:10,962 --> 00:37:12,498 TIM (VOICEOVER): She had also alluded to the fear 756 00:37:12,598 --> 00:37:15,767 that any man that was physically able from that group 757 00:37:15,867 --> 00:37:17,369 would probably come and try to get her. 758 00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:19,671 They beat me and they raped me. 759 00:37:19,771 --> 00:37:22,808 And I can't stay there anymore. 760 00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:23,942 How long has this been going on? 761 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:25,143 TIM (VOICEOVER): That's when we decided 762 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:26,778 to put restraining orders against anyone who was 763 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,247 physically able to abduct her. 764 00:37:29,348 --> 00:37:31,517 Do you want to go back? 765 00:37:31,617 --> 00:37:34,052 I never want to go back. 766 00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:35,754 Ever. 767 00:37:35,854 --> 00:37:38,023 When you first get out, you feel kind of, 768 00:37:38,123 --> 00:37:42,127 you don't know what you are to do, how to stop things. 769 00:37:42,227 --> 00:37:45,997 And that was just the first step for me, just to keep them away. 770 00:37:46,097 --> 00:37:48,434 Because I knew they had brought people 771 00:37:48,534 --> 00:37:51,603 back before that had gone away and beat them and stuff. 772 00:37:51,703 --> 00:37:54,873 And I was afraid something like that would happen to me. 773 00:37:54,973 --> 00:38:00,278 Last Thursday, I called my friend Tim to come pick me up. 774 00:38:00,379 --> 00:38:01,913 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Detective Duane Wiersma 775 00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:04,383 of the Clay County Sheriff's Department had long 776 00:38:04,483 --> 00:38:05,684 been suspicious about the cult. 777 00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:06,585 Because I wanted to leave. 778 00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:11,490 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): When he brought Julie Cooper 779 00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:13,525 in for questioning, she provided a 780 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:17,829 detailed and harrowing account of her entire childhood. 781 00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:21,400 I was abused. 782 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,135 I believed Julie from the beginning. 783 00:38:24,235 --> 00:38:26,372 What type of abuse? 784 00:38:26,472 --> 00:38:31,042 We had a hard time trying just to focus on the charges 785 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:33,345 of the rape at the time, because there were so many other things 786 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:35,180 that he could have been charged with. 787 00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:39,084 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Before an arrest warrant could 788 00:38:39,184 --> 00:38:41,553 be issued, Nelson DeCloud ordered the women 789 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:43,321 and children to load their possessions 790 00:38:43,422 --> 00:38:45,991 on to four converted buses. 791 00:38:46,091 --> 00:38:48,527 Nelson then took them away from the commune. 792 00:38:48,627 --> 00:38:51,129 The other man departed a week later. 793 00:38:51,229 --> 00:38:55,767 The DeCloud Family has not been seen since. 794 00:38:55,867 --> 00:38:57,035 It's not an everyday occurrence 795 00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:58,437 where you come up on a religious group 796 00:38:58,537 --> 00:39:01,540 led by such a powerful individual as Nelson DeCloud. 797 00:39:04,543 --> 00:39:05,677 We believe they're still together, 798 00:39:05,777 --> 00:39:08,380 because Nelson feeds off the power of being 799 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,581 in control of the group. 800 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:12,718 He doesn't have the group, then he has no power. 801 00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:16,287 I want Nelson to get caught because it's not fair to anyone 802 00:39:16,388 --> 00:39:17,155 else that's up there. 803 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:25,831 My mom and dad, they need to know that he isn't the messiah. 804 00:39:28,967 --> 00:39:30,168 He can't do things on his own and think 805 00:39:30,268 --> 00:39:33,472 that he can't get away with it. 806 00:39:33,572 --> 00:39:36,742 He's not above that. 807 00:39:36,842 --> 00:39:39,511 He's a criminal. 808 00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:40,612 What he was doing was wrong. 809 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:49,588 After our broadcast, several viewers from San Angelo, 810 00:39:49,688 --> 00:39:53,258 Texas, a small town 500 miles from DeCloud's old headquarters 811 00:39:53,358 --> 00:39:55,627 in Missouri, called to say they had seen 812 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:57,763 DeCloud's wife in the area. 813 00:39:57,863 --> 00:40:01,066 The cult had apparently settled in this farmhouse. 814 00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:03,935 Once state and local agents converged on the scene, 815 00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:06,705 DeCloud kicked out the screen of the upstairs window 816 00:40:06,805 --> 00:40:08,840 in an attempt to escape. 817 00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:11,877 The deputies approached him and he tried to wrestle 818 00:40:11,977 --> 00:40:13,812 with a few of them briefly. 819 00:40:13,912 --> 00:40:15,547 There were so many law enforcement officers, though, 820 00:40:15,647 --> 00:40:17,816 that that didn't last very long. 821 00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,786 They put the handcuffs on him and escorted him out 822 00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:22,187 of the building. 823 00:40:22,287 --> 00:40:23,522 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nelson DeCloud 824 00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:25,356 was booked at the local county jail, 825 00:40:25,457 --> 00:40:27,659 and later extradited to Liberty, Missouri 826 00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:30,295 to stand trial on four criminal counts, including 827 00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:32,831 forcible rape and sodomy. 828 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:35,701 Since the arrest of Nelson DeCloud, 829 00:40:35,801 --> 00:40:37,536 other former members of the group 830 00:40:37,636 --> 00:40:39,771 have come forward, wanting to testify 831 00:40:39,871 --> 00:40:41,907 about the things they witnessed when 832 00:40:42,007 --> 00:40:44,142 they were members of the group. 833 00:40:44,242 --> 00:40:45,544 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Nelson DeCloud 834 00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:50,315 is currently out on bail, thanks to $25,000 raised by followers. 835 00:40:50,415 --> 00:40:54,119 A trial is scheduled for November 16, 1993. 836 00:40:54,219 --> 00:40:57,288 If convicted on all charges, Nelson DeCloud could spend 837 00:40:57,388 --> 00:41:00,291 the rest of his life in prison. 838 00:41:00,391 --> 00:41:01,827 I feel confident now that I can 839 00:41:01,927 --> 00:41:05,230 have a normal life, after seeing him caught 840 00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:08,066 and knowing that it can be done. 841 00:41:11,537 --> 00:41:14,940 For Julie Cooper, her long ordeal is almost, but not quite 842 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,241 over. 843 00:41:16,341 --> 00:41:19,745 She still has to testify at DeCloud's upcoming trial. 844 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:22,280 However, this courageous young woman has already found 845 00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:24,683 a happy ending to her story. 846 00:41:24,783 --> 00:41:27,919 Last summer, Julie became engaged to Tim Santi, 847 00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:29,287 the man who helped her escape. 848 00:41:42,433 --> 00:41:44,636 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Next, a dramatic reunion. 849 00:41:44,736 --> 00:41:47,573 A woman finds her long lost best friend, who helped her 850 00:41:47,673 --> 00:41:49,407 overcome the trauma of polio. 851 00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:01,987 Recently, we featured the moving story 852 00:42:02,087 --> 00:42:06,024 of Judi Davis, who was stricken with polio as a young girl. 853 00:42:06,124 --> 00:42:11,663 Judi was searching for her best childhood friend, Becky Terry. 854 00:42:11,763 --> 00:42:15,166 The two girls had been wrenched apart back in 1958, 855 00:42:15,266 --> 00:42:19,237 when Becky's family moved away. 856 00:42:19,337 --> 00:42:24,042 Judi and Becky had met on their first day of junior high. 857 00:42:24,142 --> 00:42:27,646 To the other students, Judi, with her braces and crutches, 858 00:42:27,746 --> 00:42:29,815 was an unnerving sight, and she was often 859 00:42:29,915 --> 00:42:32,651 the object of curious stares. 860 00:42:32,751 --> 00:42:34,586 But one girl was different. 861 00:42:34,686 --> 00:42:36,688 One girl offered Judi the precious gift 862 00:42:36,788 --> 00:42:40,558 of unconditional friendship. 863 00:42:40,659 --> 00:42:41,459 Hi, I'm Becky. 864 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,695 Can I help? - Thanks. 865 00:42:43,795 --> 00:42:44,730 What homeroom are you in? 866 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:46,564 The letter said 102. 867 00:42:46,665 --> 00:42:47,799 That's the same one I'm in. 868 00:42:47,899 --> 00:42:50,769 Becky's friendship to me meant that I 869 00:42:50,869 --> 00:42:56,775 was able to be accepted by the other students in the school. 870 00:42:56,875 --> 00:43:02,748 And it made me feel like I was more like everyone else, 871 00:43:02,848 --> 00:43:06,217 and that there was no difference between us. 872 00:43:06,317 --> 00:43:11,056 And at the age of 12, that meant a lot. 873 00:43:11,156 --> 00:43:14,359 And it still means a lot. 874 00:43:14,459 --> 00:43:16,327 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): During our special live broadcast 875 00:43:16,427 --> 00:43:18,664 last winter, Judi waited anxiously 876 00:43:18,764 --> 00:43:21,132 at her home in Tucson, Arizona, hoping 877 00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:22,868 that Becky would be found. 878 00:43:22,968 --> 00:43:25,904 To everyone's joy, they were reunited by phone 879 00:43:26,004 --> 00:43:30,075 when the program was still on the air. 880 00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:32,577 Oh, I'm so glad I found you! 881 00:43:35,213 --> 00:43:36,614 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Three months later, 882 00:43:36,715 --> 00:43:39,651 Becky and her husband flew from their home in West Virginia 883 00:43:39,751 --> 00:43:40,852 to meet Judi in Tucson. 884 00:43:45,924 --> 00:43:49,127 If he hadn't stopped, I'd have jumped out anyway. 885 00:43:49,227 --> 00:43:53,031 I seen her sitting in that yard and I couldn't wait to see her. 886 00:43:53,131 --> 00:43:53,965 You look so good. 887 00:43:54,065 --> 00:43:56,835 So do you. 888 00:43:56,935 --> 00:43:58,569 Oh gosh! 889 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:02,874 Finding Becky and telling her what she meant to me 890 00:44:02,974 --> 00:44:04,810 was really important. 891 00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:08,013 And I didn't want life to end without being 892 00:44:08,113 --> 00:44:10,281 able to tell her that. 893 00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:11,683 She hasn't changed that much. 894 00:44:11,783 --> 00:44:15,754 Maybe we're a little fatter, you know, but we love each other. 895 00:44:15,854 --> 00:44:17,088 We'll stay good friends. 896 00:44:17,188 --> 00:44:18,356 Yeah. 897 00:44:18,456 --> 00:44:20,025 And that's the one thing I always loved about Becky. 898 00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:23,628 She accepted me for the way I was, and I still feel that way. 899 00:44:26,798 --> 00:44:27,999 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Happily, 900 00:44:28,099 --> 00:44:31,569 Judi and Becky's reunion had an unexpected postscript. 901 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,204 As girls in junior high school, they 902 00:44:33,304 --> 00:44:35,340 shared a very special friend. 903 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,642 His name was David Major. 904 00:44:37,743 --> 00:44:39,745 David had first been Becky's boyfriend, 905 00:44:39,845 --> 00:44:41,679 then later on Judi's. 906 00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:44,716 During our live broadcast, David contacted our telecenter 907 00:44:44,816 --> 00:44:46,651 and left his phone number. 908 00:44:46,752 --> 00:44:48,820 On the day of their reunion, Judi and Becky 909 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,791 just had to call him back. 910 00:44:52,891 --> 00:44:55,160 I'll bet you'll never guess who this is. 911 00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:56,561 DAVID (ON PHONE): Uh, no. 912 00:44:56,661 --> 00:44:57,528 Judi Davis. 913 00:44:57,628 --> 00:44:58,897 DAVID (ON PHONE): Judi? Oh my gosh. 914 00:44:58,997 --> 00:44:59,798 [inaudible]? 915 00:44:59,898 --> 00:45:01,867 Yeah! 916 00:45:01,967 --> 00:45:03,334 DAVID (ON PHONE): How are you? 917 00:45:03,434 --> 00:45:04,535 I'm just fine. 918 00:45:04,635 --> 00:45:06,404 Becky and I are sitting here, having our reunion. 919 00:45:06,504 --> 00:45:07,839 DAVID (ON PHONE): Is that right? 920 00:45:07,939 --> 00:45:08,774 Yeah. 921 00:45:08,874 --> 00:45:09,975 Oh, that's wonderful. 922 00:45:10,075 --> 00:45:11,576 Yeah, it's great to hear your voice. 923 00:45:11,676 --> 00:45:12,477 DAVID (ON PHONE): Oh, geez. 924 00:45:12,577 --> 00:45:14,712 You wouldn't believe me now. 925 00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:15,613 Oh really? 926 00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:16,848 DAVID (ON PHONE): Oh really. 927 00:45:16,948 --> 00:45:17,883 You've changed a little? 928 00:45:17,983 --> 00:45:18,784 DAVID (ON PHONE): Oh yeah. 929 00:45:18,884 --> 00:45:20,418 I'm not skinny anymore. 930 00:45:20,518 --> 00:45:21,920 Oh, you're not? DAVID (ON PHONE): No. 931 00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:22,988 Well, that's all right, honey. 932 00:45:23,088 --> 00:45:25,090 Neither am I! 933 00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:26,391 DAVID (ON PHONE): I can't believe this. 934 00:45:26,491 --> 00:45:28,293 It's the two girls who taught me how to kiss! 935 00:45:28,393 --> 00:45:29,761 I'll be darned. 936 00:45:29,861 --> 00:45:30,762 Yeah. 937 00:45:30,862 --> 00:45:32,063 DAVID (ON PHONE): Oh, that's great. 938 00:45:32,163 --> 00:45:33,398 ROBERT STACK (VOICEOVER): Now the circle 939 00:45:33,498 --> 00:45:34,632 was at last complete. 940 00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:37,869 So the two girls who taught David Major how to kiss 941 00:45:37,969 --> 00:45:40,371 took their husbands out to celebrate the renewal 942 00:45:40,471 --> 00:45:42,207 of a very special friendship. 943 00:45:42,307 --> 00:45:44,943 I'd like to propose a toast to old friends. 944 00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:48,880 - And new ones. - And new ones. 945 00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:49,781 Yeah, and new ones. 946 00:46:03,929 --> 00:46:05,230 Thank you for joining us, and please 947 00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:08,867 join us next time for another edition of Unsolved Mysteries. 948 00:46:11,669 --> 00:46:14,305 [theme music] 73689

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