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ANNOUNCER: This program is
about unsolved mysteries.
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Whenever possible, the
actual family members
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and police officials
have participated
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in recreating the events.
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What you are about to see
is not a news broadcast.
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ROBERT STACK: Tonight on
"Unsolved Mysteries," journey
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into the shadowy world of dreams
and hear the startling accounts
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of three people who are
convinced that their dreams
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predicted the future.
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In New Orleans, a
brutal serial killer
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has apparently taken the
lives of several young women.
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Police need your help
before he strikes again.
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And that intriguing
profile of a devious Con
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Juan who preys
upon lonely women,
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taking first their
hearts and their wallets.
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Join me.
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Perhaps you may be able
to help solve a mystery.
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[theme music]
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Have you ever had a dream so
vivid you thought it was real?
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So compelling, you wondered
if it actually happened?
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As fantastic as it
may seem, you're
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about to meet several people
who are convinced that sometimes
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dreams do come true.
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Glenn Loney is a professor
of theater at Brooklyn
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College in New York City.
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His story begins on a cold
winter night 20 years ago,
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when he had a dream which
he believes saved his life.
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GLENN LONEY: I was
driving up a hill
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and there was a blind
curve up at the top.
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It was like the road was
built around a hillside.
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On my side, the
outside lane, there's
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really a very steep drop.
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Suddenly, there came a
car around the curve.
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There was a little
two-wheel trailer behind it,
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and suddenly the outside
wheel of the trailer comes off
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and there was a shower of
sparks, like a sparkler.
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And suddenly, the wheel came
skidding across the road
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toward my car, and I
thought, step on the gas
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or you're a dead man.
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And I woke up in a cold sweat.
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I never had a dream
that I remembered
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every particular detail
of and it was so vivid,
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as if it had actually happened.
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Other dreams aren't like that.
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Other dreams are bits and pieces
of things from the real world
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and from the world
of fantasy and things
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that never were
or never could be.
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This was just like
seeing the thing--
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that somebody else
had filmed it.
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That there might have been
a camera in the back seat.
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ROBERT STACK: Six
months later, Glenn
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was on a business trip
with a fellow professor
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in a part of the country where
he had never been before.
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How's your classes
going, by the way?
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Oh, doing fine.
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Good.
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Yeah.
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We got some good
people this time.
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Mhm.
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GLENN LONEY: Halfway
up, I realized
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this is the hill of my dream.
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I suddenly realized
this is the road.
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This is the place.
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There was no traffic
coming the other way.
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Nothing.
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You all right, Glenn?
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No, I'm not.
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GLENN LONEY: I said,
my god, a car's
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going to come around
that curve and a wheel's
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going to come off
the trailer, and it's
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going to come at our car.
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I've got to step on
the gas or we're dead.
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ROBERT STACK: Some would say
that what happened to Glenn
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Loney was mere coincidence.
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However, there are
many people who
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believe that what he experienced
was a phenomenon known
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as a psychic dream,
a dream which can
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apparently foretell the future.
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GLENN LONEY: There's
a clear distinction
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between ordinary dreaming,
which we all do every night,
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and a psychic dream.
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And the clear distinction is
that, for ordinary dreams,
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they're very
difficult to remember.
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Five minutes, 10 minutes
after you're awake,
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you've forgotten
most of the details.
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It's very hazy.
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On the other hand, a
psychic dream wakes
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you bolt upright out of bed.
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It's a clear, vivid dream that
literally shocks you awake.
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ROBERT STACK: Dr. David
Ryback is one of the leading
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authorities on psychic dreams.
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He and freelance
author Letitia Sweitzer
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have written a
book which contains
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more than 80 case studies.
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Dr. Ryback has concluded that
perhaps one out of 12 people
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have experienced psychic dreams.
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RHONDA ANDERSON: When I first
realized that I had the ability
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to see into the future
through my dreams
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was when I was a teenager.
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ROBERT STACK: Rhonda Anderson
is one of the subjects
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in Dr. Ryback's study.
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--but I do remember just
having glimpses into the future
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through my dreams.
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Um, over here, there's Greek.
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ROBERT STACK: In 1980, Rhonda
was living in Knoxville,
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Tennessee, when she began
dating Joe Anderson,
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the man she would later marry.
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The first test of
their relationship
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came when Rhonda told Joe
about her special ability.
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JOE ANDERSON: For me to
believe something like that,
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I would probably have to
have been involved in it
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or know specifically
of the incident.
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I typically don't
believe things like that
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without having some proof.
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ROBERT STACK: Six months
after Joe and Rhonda met,
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Joe got the proof he needed.
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While he was away on a
weekend camping trip,
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Rhonda dreamed that he
had an uninvited intruder
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at his campsite.
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RHONDA ANDERSON: My heart
was pounding so hard
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that I had to sit up in my bed.
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And I looked at
the clock, and it
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was 3 o'clock in the morning.
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And I knew that there was
really not anything that I
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could do about it at that time.
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[phone ringing]
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Hello?
JOE (ON PHONE): Hi, honey.
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How you doing?
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Oh, Joe, I'm so
glad you called.
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Is everything all right?
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ROBERT STACK: The next
morning, Joe called Rhonda
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as soon as he returned home.
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JOE ANDERSON: She had
not been expecting
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me until later that afternoon.
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She asked me what I was
doing back so early.
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I told her that we had had
an incident with a bear
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and decided to come
back home early.
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ROBERT STACK: Joe says that
around 4 o'clock that morning,
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he awoke when he
sensed a disturbance
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outside of his tent.
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He was certain of the time
because he checked his watch.
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Shoo!
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Shoo!
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Go away!
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Go!
Shoo!
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Shoo!
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Go away!
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Go on.
Get out of here.
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Shoo.
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JOE ANDERSON: She'd had
the dream about 3 o'clock,
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since I actually saw the bear
after the bear had gotten
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into camp and torn things.
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It must have been about
the time that the bear had
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come into camp the first time.
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It occurred to me
possibly it was just
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a coincidence, but actually,
thinking back on it,
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the fact that she had the
dream while the situation was
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occurring, and the
way she described
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it was very similar to the
way it actually occurred,
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I felt like it would have been
a very unusual coincidence.
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ROBERT STACK:
About a year later,
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Joe and Rhonda were married and
Joe received another surprise.
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His new stepdaughter,
Roxanne, also
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claimed to have psychic dreams.
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Researchers believe the
ability could be passed
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from generation to generation.
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We do have cases
where families
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have psychic dreams very often.
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The mother may have it.
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In one family, we know the
mother dreamed psychic dreams,
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the son did, and all
of the first cousins.
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And they were even raised
in different environments
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because each of the
members had been adopted
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when the family split up.
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It's hard to know whether
there's a hereditary factor
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or not.
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Clearly, some families have two
or three people in the family
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who not only have
psychic dreams,
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but have the same
psychic dreams, which
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is a really astounding event.
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ROBERT STACK: Rhonda and Roxanne
have had just that experience.
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In April of 1991,
Rhonda dreamed that Joe
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was in a terrible
accident but did
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not tell anyone in her family.
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A week later, Roxanne says
she had the very same dream.
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ROXANNE BOWLIN: Our car was
on the side of the road,
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and then I saw a
glimpse of Joe--
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his head, his face.
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And then I saw the police
writing a police report.
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It was really, really
disturbing to me.
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It really upset me
because it just scared me.
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And it felt like
it was something
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that was going to happen.
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And I said, well,
Roxanne, I said, let's just
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think positively about
it and let's just pray
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that everything will be OK.
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And from then on, I would just
ask Joe to please be careful.
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ROBERT STACK: Two weeks
later, Joe was on his way
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to the mountains
for another weekend
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of camping when he momentarily
took his eyes off the road.
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JOE ANDERSON: Luckily,
I wasn't injured.
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Of course, first thing I thought
about after that happened
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was that Rhonda had warned
me to be very careful
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and I had not paid attention
to the road and slid off
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and had the accident.
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The car crash could have
been more detrimental.
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It could have been
more disastrous.
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And I hang on to the
thought that perhaps maybe
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that was the reason that I
had the dream and Roxanne
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had the dream--
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so that we could warn
him over and over
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again to please be careful.
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Because had we not, we don't
know what would have happened.
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The extraordinary experiences
of the Anderson family
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could make even the harshest
skeptics stop and think.
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After all, a coincidence can
only account for so much.
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You're about to meet a woman who
says her psychic dreams did not
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foretell the future, but brought
her news of an untimely death.
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Joe, I'm so glad you're back.
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It's so good to see you.
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Well, Katie, it's
really great to be back.
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ROBERT STACK: In 1942,
20-year-old Catherine Webb
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fell in love with a
soldier named Joe Stewart.
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I don't think it's
really the best time for us
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to go into a marriage.
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ROBERT STACK: Both
wanted to marry,
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but because of hardships
in their families,
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they decided that the
timing was not right.
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Well, you know,
the truth is, Joe,
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I've been thinking
the same thing.
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Mother's not well.
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Dad's not very strong.
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I just don't think
it's fair to you
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to take on that
much responsibility.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: Yes,
I've always regretted that.
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Instead of being
so conscientious
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about our obligations, we should
have thought of ourselves.
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I didn't see him for a while.
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And then I saw him again.
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And from then on through
the years, when I'd see him,
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we'd go out two or three times,
but I left it go at that.
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ROBERT STACK: Catherine
never forgot her first love.
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She remained single
until January of 1965,
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when, at the age of 47, she
married her next door neighbor.
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The next year,
Catherine began having
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a strange recurring dream.
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DOCTOR (ECHOIC): 5
milligrams of D5W.
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NURSE (ON INTERCOM):
Dr. Ramos to ICU.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN
WEBB: I kept getting
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this dream all the time.
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All I saw was these nurses and
doctors, a lot of confusion,
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probably working on someone.
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That was to be
how it would look.
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The nurses were rushing around.
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The doctors seemed
very concerned.
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But I couldn't see
what they were doing.
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And then it seemed to me
that I just got the intuition
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that it's about Joe Stewart.
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And I just kept
having that dream,
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off and on, all during
the month of May and June.
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And it just got worse and worse.
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ROBERT STACK: Finally,
Catherine had a dream which
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seemed to explain everything.
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In this new dream,
Catherine was in her kitchen
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when she received a
most unexpected visitor.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN
WEBB: I turned around
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and Joe was standing there.
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Joe?
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What are you doing here?
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Cate, I came to
tell you that I died.
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What?
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Yes, it's true.
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I'm dead.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN
WEBB: It seemed
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quite natural for him to have a
hold of my hand and taking me.
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I believed him.
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I just couldn't grasp it.
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Joe, I don't understand this.
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I'll explain.
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You see, I just
had to let you know
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that, thanks to your prayers,
I'll have a Christian burial.
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It's all right.
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Who is this?
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It's me, Cate.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: I
could smell flowers and fern.
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And I looked down at
the man in the casket.
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It didn't look like Joe.
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It isn't you.
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It doesn't look like you.
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Yes, I know, but it is.
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And I came to tell you
that I'll always love you.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB:
And I could feel the flesh
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and the warmth of his hand.
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And he said, I always loved you.
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And he kissed me.
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And I felt his lips and his
breath, and that was it.
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My perspiration was
pouring off of me.
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I was shaking.
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I thought, now I
know why all those
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dreams I saw doctors and nurses,
and I thought it was Joe.
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This is what it meant.
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What I just saw was no dream.
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This was a vision.
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And I knew it was true.
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I just felt in my
heart it was true.
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I didn't want to believe he was
dead, but I knew that was true.
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Nobody let me know
that Joe was sick.
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ROBERT STACK: A few days
later, Catherine contacted
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Joe's sister and
brother-in-law and her worst
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fears were confirmed.
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Catherine was stunned to learn
that Joe had gone into a coma
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the very day that she
had the first dream
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about doctors and nurses.
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He had died of a brain
aneurysm just two
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days before he
appeared to Catherine
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in her dream about the church.
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You know, somebody
should have told me.
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Well, we didn't
know what to do.
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And even if you
went to the funeral,
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you wouldn't have
recognized him.
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The mortuary put a wig on Joe.
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His body was so thin,
nobody knew him.
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Well, let me
tell you something.
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Joe came to me in a dream.
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He came to me in my
kitchen and told me himself
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that he had died.
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CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: I
was convinced that everything
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I'd tell them, they would tell
me, yes, that's the way it was.
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And when I did tell them,
his sister said yes.
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She said, every detail
you've told us, she said,
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is just the way it was.
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ROBERT STACK:
William Shakespeare
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once wrote, "today's dream
is tomorrow's reality."
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The cases we've examined
tonight certainly
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seem to support that sentiment.
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But there is still no logical
explanation for psychic dreams.
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00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:06,526
Perhaps this phenomenon will
always remain inexplicable
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00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,795
and beyond our understanding--
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00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:11,098
truly an unsolved mystery.
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00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:18,505
Next, a serial killer
may be stalking
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the streets of New Orleans.
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New Orleans, home
of the Mardi Gras.
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The city's heartbeat is
its raucous French Quarter,
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where great music, street
celebrations, and Cajun cooking
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sometimes overshadow a more
unsavory side of the city.
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August 4, 1991.
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Across the Mississippi River
from the French Quarter,
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00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,509
a lone recycler
gleaned what he could
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along a narrow, deserted
city road, often
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used illegally as a dump site.
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00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:05,285
He had no idea he was about to
launch one of the city's most
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00:18:05,385 --> 00:18:07,387
complex murder investigations.
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The body was identified
as 17-year-old
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Danielle Britton, who lived
nearby with her mother.
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She had been strangled
and possibly raped
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00:18:26,973 --> 00:18:28,708
approximately 12 hours earlier.
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00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:35,215
At first glance, the
murder of Danielle Britton
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seemed an isolated incident.
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00:18:37,016 --> 00:18:40,220
But the reality was
far more sinister.
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Danielle Britton may
have been the victim
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of a serial killer who
preys on women he believes
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are prostitutes.
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By some chilling estimates,
more than a hundred
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00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:53,032
serial killers roam the streets
of America at any given moment.
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Police are usually left
to gather clues only
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from the silent testimony
of gruesome crime scenes,
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but the New Orleans
case would be different.
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00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:07,347
Detective Wigginton.
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Just 10 minutes into
the investigation
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00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:12,752
of Danielle Britton's murder,
Detective Elizabeth Wigginton
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00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:14,521
had her first
inkling that she was
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00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:16,022
dealing with a serial killer.
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I don't if it means
anything or not,
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00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:18,691
but about two weeks ago--
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00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:20,026
ELIZABETH WIGGINTON:
A man approached me
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00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,961
regarding an attack
of a woman which
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00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:23,963
had occurred approximately
two weeks earlier.
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00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:26,433
At this time, I realized
that there was a possibility
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00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,935
that this attack and the
murder of Danielle Britton
380
00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:32,572
could be connected somehow
with one striking difference--
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that this victim
survived her attack.
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00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:38,511
It's more scary than
anything because I
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00:19:38,611 --> 00:19:41,348
did realize that he
assumed that I was dead
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00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:43,850
in order to leave me there.
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00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,252
ROBERT STACK: The
surviving victim,
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00:19:45,352 --> 00:19:48,321
whom we will call Brenda, had
her voice permanently damaged
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00:19:48,421 --> 00:19:50,523
in a strangulation attempt.
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00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:52,992
Police believe she was
attacked by the same man
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00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:56,095
who killed Danielle Britton.
390
00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:59,131
Brenda, I need for you to tell
me in as detail as possible,
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00:19:59,232 --> 00:20:01,200
what happened that night.
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00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:03,436
ROBERT STACK: When interviewed
by Detective Wigginton,
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00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:09,008
Brenda was able to recall
the trauma in minute detail.
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00:20:09,108 --> 00:20:11,878
BRENDA: I was at my house, and
I decided that I wanted to go
395
00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:13,446
and visit a friend of mine.
396
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,515
So I walked up Merrill Street.
397
00:20:15,615 --> 00:20:17,717
And I noticed that a
car was following me.
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00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:20,520
Say, you need a ride?
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00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:23,356
BRENDA: So the man in the
car kept side by side with me
400
00:20:23,456 --> 00:20:26,293
as I was walking and
asked me when I was going.
401
00:20:26,393 --> 00:20:28,561
I'm just going
a few blocks down.
402
00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:29,929
I'm OK.
403
00:20:30,029 --> 00:20:31,698
Look, you're too good-looking
to be out here by yourself.
404
00:20:31,798 --> 00:20:33,165
BRENDA: I kept on
walking and he kept
405
00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:37,337
on insisting that he could give
me a ride to where I was going.
406
00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,339
Then the car stopped,
and before I knew it,
407
00:20:39,439 --> 00:20:42,575
the man grabbed me and
put me into the car.
408
00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:44,043
What are you doing?
409
00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:52,685
ROBERT STACK: Despite
Brenda's protests,
410
00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:55,788
the man drove about a half a
mile past her friend's house
411
00:20:55,888 --> 00:20:59,258
to the same deserted city road
where Danielle Britton's body
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00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,893
would be found two weeks later.
413
00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,197
What are you doin--
414
00:21:05,298 --> 00:21:07,099
[gagging]
415
00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:11,471
BRENDA: He got on top of
me and began to choke me.
416
00:21:11,571 --> 00:21:13,406
He looked at me,
and I looked at him,
417
00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:15,442
and I realized this man
was trying to kill me.
418
00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:23,816
I tried to fight him off,
but I really couldn't.
419
00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:25,017
I didn't have any strength.
420
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:31,691
ROBERT STACK: The
killer strangled Brenda
421
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,327
with his bare hands,
stripped off her clothes,
422
00:21:34,427 --> 00:21:35,728
and dumped her by
the side of the road.
423
00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:41,067
Six hours later,
shortly after dawn,
424
00:21:41,167 --> 00:21:43,970
Brenda awoke to find
herself covered with garbage
425
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:44,937
and discarded tires.
426
00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:55,081
ELIZABETH WIGGINTON: Finding
Brenda had certainly been
427
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:56,949
a lucky break in this case.
428
00:21:57,049 --> 00:22:00,520
We had now a live victim who
could identify an attacker--
429
00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:02,722
an attacker who could be
responsible for the murder
430
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,792
of Danielle Britton.
431
00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:08,561
I knew this guy was out
there stalking his victims.
432
00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:11,431
He was stalking women,
intending to kill them.
433
00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:14,501
And I was unable to
come up with a suspect.
434
00:22:14,601 --> 00:22:16,736
I had no idea it was
going to get worse.
435
00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:21,874
ROBERT STACK: On
September 22, 1991,
436
00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:25,512
the killer claimed his third
victim, Charlene Price,
437
00:22:25,612 --> 00:22:28,080
dumping her body within
one mile of the spot
438
00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:31,684
where Danielle
Britton was found.
439
00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:35,221
On December 14, a fourth
victim, as yet unidentified,
440
00:22:35,321 --> 00:22:38,324
was found in the same vicinity.
441
00:22:38,425 --> 00:22:41,928
This is a sketch of the woman
who was in her early 20s.
442
00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:45,798
She was 5 feet 2 inches
tall, weighed 125 pounds,
443
00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:48,801
and had protruding front teeth.
444
00:22:48,901 --> 00:22:52,204
Did you touch anything
when you got here?
445
00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:53,573
ROBERT STACK: Two and
a half weeks later,
446
00:22:53,673 --> 00:22:58,277
on January 4, 1992, the
killer struck yet again.
447
00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:01,047
The nude body of
29-year-old Lydia Madison
448
00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:03,850
was found in an illegal dump
site under the Greater New
449
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:07,253
Orleans Bridge, 8 blocks
from police headquarters
450
00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:09,689
and 400 yards from
the Superdome.
451
00:23:13,526 --> 00:23:16,228
Police soon learned that three
other bodies had been found
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00:23:16,328 --> 00:23:18,397
at a nearby jurisdiction
which borders
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00:23:18,498 --> 00:23:24,504
New Orleans, bringing the total
number of victims to eight.
454
00:23:24,604 --> 00:23:28,074
These bodies closely
resembled bodies found
455
00:23:28,174 --> 00:23:31,778
in our investigation
in previous months,
456
00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:35,114
leading me to believe
that the same killer may
457
00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:39,486
be responsible for
all these victims.
458
00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:40,787
ROBERT STACK: Seven
of the eight women
459
00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:44,123
were found within a
3-mile radius, all but one
460
00:23:44,223 --> 00:23:47,894
on the west bank
of the Mississippi.
461
00:23:47,994 --> 00:23:49,929
The killer has
struck once a month,
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00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:52,264
always strangling
his victims, always
463
00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:56,503
leaving them nude, face-down,
in or near illegal dump sites.
464
00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:03,209
These women have
had difficult lives.
465
00:24:03,309 --> 00:24:06,646
They're in vulnerable
positions and are
466
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:14,320
at risk to becoming statistics
of murders and rapes.
467
00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:17,657
I certainly can't do
anything about helping them
468
00:24:17,757 --> 00:24:20,059
at this point other
than trying to find
469
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:23,596
out who killed these victims.
470
00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:27,133
And I'm determined
to get this guy.
471
00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:29,335
I'm still afraid.
472
00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:30,903
I don't run the
street at all anymore.
473
00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:33,039
I don't go anywhere
unless it's to church.
474
00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:35,141
If I go to the store, it's
with my mother and somebody
475
00:24:35,241 --> 00:24:39,145
accompanying me because I still
don't know where this man is.
476
00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:42,214
And I know he knows me
just as well as I know him,
477
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,751
so I'm still very much afraid.
478
00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:48,087
If I'm at home, I stay
locked up unless someone
479
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:49,822
else is the house with me.
480
00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:54,060
It's more now like I'm
living in fear every minute
481
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,262
or every second of the day.
482
00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:58,497
On the night she was
murdered, Danielle Britton
483
00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:02,468
was seen with a suspect outside
a bar called Neva's Rendezvous.
484
00:25:02,569 --> 00:25:04,537
The man was driving a
blue, late-model Buick
485
00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:07,707
Regal or Monte Carlo.
486
00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:11,410
When we return, a man's search
for an anonymous hotline
487
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:15,014
counselor who saved him from
a nightmare of drug addiction.
488
00:25:23,455 --> 00:25:25,491
Among the unheralded
heroes of modern city
489
00:25:25,592 --> 00:25:28,027
life are the men and women
who answer the urgent calls
490
00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:30,563
coming into crisis hotlines.
491
00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,398
At any moment, a
counselor may be plunged
492
00:25:32,498 --> 00:25:34,066
into a desperate
situation, where
493
00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:37,503
the fate of a total stranger
hangs in the balance.
494
00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:41,107
Our next story is a very special
mystery about one man's search
495
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,275
for the anonymous
hotline counselor
496
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:47,379
who reached out
and saved his life.
497
00:25:47,479 --> 00:25:50,149
Houston, Texas, 1982.
498
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:53,019
James Vernon was
strung out again.
499
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,322
He had been addicted to
heroin since he was 16.
500
00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:58,825
On several occasions, James
had entered drug treatment
501
00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:02,161
programs, but inevitably, he
wound up back on the streets,
502
00:26:02,261 --> 00:26:04,931
still addicted, his life
stripped of everything
503
00:26:05,031 --> 00:26:06,833
but the daily hustle for a fix.
504
00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:12,171
JAMES VERNON: Nothing
mattered other than where
505
00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:14,907
was my next shot coming from.
506
00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,777
And that became my life.
507
00:26:17,877 --> 00:26:18,978
You speak of careers--
508
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:22,081
when you say someone has
a career in show business
509
00:26:22,181 --> 00:26:24,316
or someone has a
career as a doctor,
510
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:27,153
my career was
getting my next fix.
511
00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:29,088
That was my career.
512
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:35,962
I can remember back in
'82, I'd just fixed.
513
00:26:36,062 --> 00:26:39,465
I'd just done a load of
heroin, as it's called,
514
00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:41,400
and I was just walking around
the streets just trying
515
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,535
to figure out what my next move
was because I knew that things
516
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:45,104
were getting bad,
and I looked up
517
00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:48,908
and saw a billboard that said,
if you need help, we do care.
518
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:54,113
ROBERT STACK: James felt
he had nothing to lose.
519
00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:56,448
He called the number
and spoke to a woman who
520
00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:58,617
identified herself as Libby.
521
00:26:58,718 --> 00:26:59,719
Hello.
522
00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:02,388
What would you like
to talk about, James?
523
00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:05,624
JAMES (ON PHONE):
The same old song.
524
00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:06,525
I'm lonely.
525
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:10,596
I'm scared, and nobody cares.
526
00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:11,998
Oh, by the way, I'm a junkie.
527
00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:16,068
Oh, by the way, I'm a junkie.
528
00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:16,936
OK.
529
00:27:17,036 --> 00:27:18,871
Let's start with that.
530
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:21,507
JAMES VERNON: I remember her
voice being soft and kind
531
00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:22,574
and caring.
532
00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:25,912
And she didn't talk
down to me or at me.
533
00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:26,813
She talked to me.
534
00:27:26,913 --> 00:27:28,781
You need to go get some help.
535
00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:31,517
And it was the
first caring voice
536
00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:34,220
I had heard in a long time
that wasn't degrading to me.
537
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,491
And she was letting me know
that all of it wasn't my fault--
538
00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:41,861
that I had a problem
and I needed some help.
539
00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:44,330
It's not that I
was a bad person.
540
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:48,034
It was just that I was sick
and I needed some help.
541
00:27:48,134 --> 00:27:49,601
Hi, James.
542
00:27:49,702 --> 00:27:50,870
What's new?
543
00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:52,204
ROBERT STACK: Over
the next few months,
544
00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:55,041
James called Libby
nearly every night.
545
00:27:55,141 --> 00:27:58,778
My mother took
me back in again.
546
00:27:58,878 --> 00:27:59,979
ROBERT STACK: Though
he had finally
547
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,448
found someone he could
trust, this new friendship
548
00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:03,916
wasn't enough.
549
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:07,186
James was unable to
resist the pull of heroin.
550
00:28:07,286 --> 00:28:09,822
In desperation, he stole
from his own mother,
551
00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:13,159
selling her jewelry
to support his habit.
552
00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:15,127
You must've really
been in bad shape
553
00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:17,764
to do something like that.
554
00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:21,367
I know it's tough
facing up to it, James.
555
00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,435
I tried to make
him look like someone
556
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:30,276
else broke into her house, but
I don't think she bought it.
557
00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:32,678
I remember coming
home after it was over.
558
00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:36,148
And the minute my mother was
home and she asked me about it,
559
00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:39,518
she said that all the jury was
gone and the window was broke.
560
00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:40,987
Did I know anything about it?
561
00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:44,090
And I lied and said no, that
I had nothing to do with it.
562
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:48,727
You know I wouldn't
take your jewelry, Mama.
563
00:28:48,828 --> 00:28:50,830
I can't believe
somebody would do this.
564
00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:57,036
You know, this neighborhood
ain't like it used to be, Mama.
565
00:28:57,136 --> 00:28:59,605
ROBERT STACK: Two weeks later,
and with great reluctance,
566
00:28:59,705 --> 00:29:01,941
James' mother threw
him out of the house.
567
00:29:02,041 --> 00:29:04,844
--something to
keep people out.
568
00:29:04,944 --> 00:29:06,745
JAMES VERNON: It was just real
devastating for both of us
569
00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:08,680
because I had to
face up to it then,
570
00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:10,516
and I just couldn't do it.
I just couldn't admit it.
571
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:16,022
ROBERT STACK: James
turned to his ex-wife,
572
00:29:16,122 --> 00:29:19,458
who allowed him to move in with
her and their two-year-old son.
573
00:29:19,558 --> 00:29:23,729
It appeared to be a
promising new start.
574
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:24,897
Wish me luck!
575
00:29:24,997 --> 00:29:26,265
JAMES VERNON: I'm thinking,
OK, I can do this.
576
00:29:26,365 --> 00:29:27,333
OK, I'll pull it back together.
577
00:29:27,433 --> 00:29:28,367
I've got my wife back.
578
00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:29,635
I've got my son back.
579
00:29:29,735 --> 00:29:30,536
I'll get a job.
580
00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:31,971
I'll get off the drugs.
581
00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:33,172
I'll make it work.
582
00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:35,374
I would do it for them.
583
00:29:35,474 --> 00:29:38,477
Hey, baby, guess what?
584
00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:40,913
ROBERT STACK: But James
wasn't able to do it.
585
00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:44,083
He began using drugs again,
and his ex-wife felt she
586
00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,885
had no choice but to walk out.
587
00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:49,956
JAMES VERNON: There was no note.
588
00:29:50,056 --> 00:29:53,425
I had no idea where she
had gone, where my son was.
589
00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:57,363
The furniture, the clothes, the
dishes, everything was gone.
590
00:29:59,899 --> 00:30:01,167
I think they did it--
591
00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:02,634
I was at a point where I just
didn't want to live anymore.
592
00:30:02,734 --> 00:30:04,971
I just couldn't stand anymore.
593
00:30:05,071 --> 00:30:07,439
And I decided that I was
going to commit suicide.
594
00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:08,640
And I knew how I
was going to do it.
595
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,109
I was going to just
overdose on heroin.
596
00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,078
Just go someplace,
sit down, and go out.
597
00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:14,847
Just sleep through it.
598
00:30:14,947 --> 00:30:16,515
And then Libby ran
across my mind,
599
00:30:16,615 --> 00:30:18,250
and I wanted her to know
that I really appreciated
600
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,619
everything she had done
and for sticking with me,
601
00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,688
but I just couldn't--
602
00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:23,655
I just couldn't take no more.
603
00:30:23,755 --> 00:30:25,657
I was ready to die.
604
00:30:25,757 --> 00:30:27,526
Haven't heard
from you in a while.
605
00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:30,162
Hope that means you
went to get help.
606
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:32,131
JAMES (ON PHONE): Listen,
I'm going to call it a day.
607
00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:34,566
I can't take it no more.
608
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:39,138
But I wanted to call you and
thank you for everything.
609
00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:43,943
You've been a real good friend.
610
00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:45,978
Goo-- goodbye.
611
00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:48,647
James, let's talk this over.
612
00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:50,249
It can't be that bad.
613
00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:52,118
JAMES (ON PHONE): I've been
living out on the street
614
00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:54,753
for the past couple of weeks.
615
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,655
I'm a junkie.
616
00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:58,557
I ain't got no money.
617
00:30:58,657 --> 00:31:01,693
And you say it's not that bad.
618
00:31:01,793 --> 00:31:06,498
Well, maybe it's time you
went and got help for yourself.
619
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:07,866
James, you have to realize--
620
00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:09,401
JAMES VERNON: I told her I just
didn't want to try no more.
621
00:31:09,501 --> 00:31:12,371
And this doesn't
have to be the end.
622
00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:15,241
JAMES VERNON: And I did the
last shot of what I thought
623
00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:18,144
would be my last shot of heroin.
624
00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,947
And it should have been enough
to kill at least three people.
625
00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:25,717
And I got what's known as a
slight rush and a little dizzy,
626
00:31:25,817 --> 00:31:26,986
and that was it.
627
00:31:27,086 --> 00:31:30,056
I even messed that-- and I
remember saying to Libby--
628
00:31:30,156 --> 00:31:33,059
she started screaming my name.
629
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:34,260
And I just started laughing.
630
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,528
I go, I've even messed
this one up, lady.
631
00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:38,197
I can't even kill me.
632
00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:39,365
And she said, all right.
633
00:31:39,465 --> 00:31:41,100
You've tried your way
and it didn't work.
634
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,102
Let's give my way a shot.
635
00:31:43,202 --> 00:31:44,103
Let's go back to treatment.
636
00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:48,540
Promise me you
will go to treatment.
637
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,441
Yeah.
638
00:31:49,541 --> 00:31:51,377
Yeah, right.
639
00:31:51,477 --> 00:31:52,344
Come on, James.
640
00:31:52,444 --> 00:31:54,480
You have never
lied to me before.
641
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,048
Now say those words.
642
00:31:56,148 --> 00:31:58,717
I'll go to treatment.
643
00:31:58,817 --> 00:31:59,618
OK.
644
00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:03,489
I promise.
645
00:32:06,993 --> 00:32:10,162
I'll go to treatment.
646
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:11,430
JAMES VERNON: I'd
never lied to Libby.
647
00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:15,267
She was the only person
I hadn't lied to.
648
00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:17,303
And I wasn't going
to start then.
649
00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:19,805
It's just something about
that voice, that caring.
650
00:32:19,905 --> 00:32:21,073
I went, all right, man.
651
00:32:21,173 --> 00:32:23,542
You promised her.
652
00:32:23,642 --> 00:32:26,178
ROBERT STACK: James
Vernon kept his promise.
653
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:28,447
The changes in his
life since that evening
654
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:30,182
are nothing short of miraculous.
655
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:34,886
When I say my
poor, departed wife,
656
00:32:34,987 --> 00:32:36,888
I don't want you folks
to think my wife is dead.
657
00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:41,393
She just got sick of
being poor and departed.
658
00:32:41,493 --> 00:32:43,029
ROBERT STACK: From the
brink of self-destruction,
659
00:32:43,129 --> 00:32:45,631
James is now confident
enough to make his living
660
00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:47,599
as a stand-up comedian.
661
00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:50,102
Nearly a decade after
he last spoke to Libby,
662
00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:52,671
he remains drug
and alcohol free.
663
00:32:52,771 --> 00:32:53,939
Still going to therapy.
664
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,541
I spoke to my
therapist last week
665
00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,410
and she said my mind was
like a bad neighborhood.
666
00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:59,945
You should not go
in there alone.
667
00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:04,216
JAMES VERNON: She
pulled me out of a spot
668
00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:07,119
where I don't think I'd have
made it out of without her.
669
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:17,629
Libby, if you're watching
this tonight, please call.
670
00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:18,597
I really want to talk to you.
671
00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:19,865
I really want to see you.
672
00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:23,735
I want to give you a hug,
and I want to say thanks.
673
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:27,439
It's been a long time
And a lot has happened,
674
00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:29,875
but you've always
been that light.
675
00:33:29,975 --> 00:33:32,744
You've always been there,
and I want to tell you that.
676
00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:47,893
ROBERT STACK: Next, a
smooth-talking con man
677
00:33:47,993 --> 00:33:50,996
steals his victim's affections
and then their money.
678
00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:04,243
Most con artists play on
a basic human instinct--
679
00:34:04,343 --> 00:34:07,879
the desire of their victims
to make a quick, easy buck.
680
00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:10,582
However, the more cunning
practitioners of fraud
681
00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:13,552
prey not on greed,
but on emotion.
682
00:34:13,652 --> 00:34:15,087
You're about to
meet three women who
683
00:34:15,187 --> 00:34:17,356
fell in love with a
smooth-talking swindler named
684
00:34:17,456 --> 00:34:18,957
JD Method.
685
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,726
Each discovered the
hard way that, when
686
00:34:20,826 --> 00:34:24,396
it comes to the confidence
game, JD Method is a master.
687
00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:27,499
To new friends.
688
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:28,900
Oh, thank you, JD.
689
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,802
That's so nice.
690
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,771
ROBERT STACK: Peggy
Peterson, a single mother
691
00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:35,441
and businesswoman from
the Golden, Colorado area,
692
00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:38,277
met JD Method in 1990.
693
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,346
She had innocently
responded to his ad
694
00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:43,515
in the personals column
of a local newspaper.
695
00:34:43,615 --> 00:34:44,850
Have you ever been
in a helicopter?
696
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:45,951
No, no.
697
00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:48,019
It's something I
learned in Vietnam.
698
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Really?
699
00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:49,921
You were in Vietnam?
700
00:34:50,021 --> 00:34:50,789
Mhm.
701
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:52,424
I was a pilot there.
702
00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:55,494
PEGGY PETERSON: JD was
a very charming person,
703
00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:59,465
and a nice person,
and a fun person,
704
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:05,204
and someone with some
professional credentials.
705
00:35:05,304 --> 00:35:06,572
Well, you know,
David, it really
706
00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:09,308
sounds like you like to go to
swap meets and flea markets.
707
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,677
ROBERT STACK: Linda Weaver,
a divorced mother of three,
708
00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:15,414
got to know JD Method in 1987
through a telephone dating
709
00:35:15,514 --> 00:35:16,815
service.
710
00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:21,052
After two weeks of phone calls,
they began to see each other.
711
00:35:21,153 --> 00:35:24,856
LINDA WEAVER: He's extremely
well-versed in everything.
712
00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,024
He's witty.
713
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,627
Because it's such a
fascination of mine.
714
00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,363
He just knows the answers
to just about everything.
715
00:35:31,463 --> 00:35:34,166
He's intelligent, and you
just enjoy his company.
716
00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:35,601
He could talk about any subject.
717
00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:38,337
He knows about a little
bit of everything.
718
00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:40,739
In essence, he would
interview these women.
719
00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,107
He would talk to them.
720
00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:45,744
He would find out what they were
about, their idiosyncrasies,
721
00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:47,946
what they liked, what
they didn't like,
722
00:35:48,046 --> 00:35:50,349
what their style of life was.
723
00:35:50,449 --> 00:35:52,017
You know, Peg, I was thinking.
724
00:35:52,117 --> 00:35:54,186
You really ought to have
a few more credit cards.
725
00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:55,487
Whoa, no.
726
00:35:55,587 --> 00:35:56,822
I don't need more credit cards.
727
00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,724
Oh, with credit like yours,
you ought to have five.
728
00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:01,126
Oh, I hate paying
all that interest, JD.
729
00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:02,661
BRIAN TERRETT: One of
the things that we found
730
00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:06,332
in our investigation
was Method's ability
731
00:36:06,432 --> 00:36:10,168
to get his victims to extend
their credit through the use
732
00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:11,670
of credit cards.
733
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:14,506
And not just one, but get
a lot of credit cards.
734
00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:17,209
And even get a lot of the
same kind of credit cards.
735
00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:19,711
You ought to think about it.
736
00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,046
Peg, I'd like you to meet Rick.
737
00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:22,548
- Well, hi, Rick.
- Hi, Peggy.
738
00:36:22,648 --> 00:36:23,649
Nice to meet you.
739
00:36:23,749 --> 00:36:25,384
ROBERT STACK: In the
case of Peggy Peterson,
740
00:36:25,484 --> 00:36:28,887
JD spent several weeks carefully
baiting his trap until she
741
00:36:28,987 --> 00:36:29,821
trusted him implicitly.
742
00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:30,722
Especially this guy.
743
00:36:30,822 --> 00:36:32,057
He helps me sell 'em.
744
00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:34,793
Hey, Rick, I noticed that
nice-looking Camaro over there.
745
00:36:34,893 --> 00:36:36,094
What's the story on that one?
746
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,398
JD, you'll love that.
$1,500, private owner.
747
00:36:39,498 --> 00:36:41,467
Hold it down for
you for $500 down.
748
00:36:41,567 --> 00:36:43,101
Oh, is that right?
See, Peg?
749
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,303
There you go.
750
00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:47,839
If I had $500 cash, I
could buy that car today,
751
00:36:47,939 --> 00:36:49,641
sell it tomorrow
for $1,000 profit,
752
00:36:49,741 --> 00:36:51,176
have $1,000 in my pocket.
753
00:36:51,277 --> 00:36:52,411
- Is that right?
- Yep.
754
00:36:52,511 --> 00:36:53,379
Wow.
755
00:36:53,479 --> 00:36:54,380
Hey, what else
you got there, Rick?
756
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,347
I got a nice, clean--
757
00:36:55,447 --> 00:36:57,015
Hey, honey, I'm
going to go browse.
758
00:36:57,115 --> 00:36:59,318
All right.
759
00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:00,519
ROBERT STACK: Method
worked the scam
760
00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:02,621
so well that Peggy
made the decision
761
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:06,358
to invest without prompting.
762
00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:09,295
PEGGY PETERSON: I had already
survived him doing several car
763
00:37:09,395 --> 00:37:12,998
deals over the weeks
that we had been dating,
764
00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:16,001
so I wrote him out
a check for $500.
765
00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:18,270
JD, honey, let's just
go ahead and get that car.
766
00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:19,170
Wh--
767
00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:20,606
Yeah, let's do it.
Come on.
768
00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:21,607
It'll be a good business deal.
769
00:37:21,707 --> 00:37:22,874
Can you believe this woman?
770
00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:23,775
Huh?
771
00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:24,876
What am I going to do with you?
772
00:37:24,976 --> 00:37:25,777
No.
773
00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:27,045
I'm not going to
take your money.
774
00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:28,079
JD.
775
00:37:28,179 --> 00:37:29,381
And that's not a
matter of the money.
776
00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,382
It's playing the game.
777
00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:31,917
And he tore the
check up and he said,
778
00:37:32,017 --> 00:37:33,385
I wouldn't take money from you.
779
00:37:36,054 --> 00:37:39,658
And so you know, check
was torn in half.
780
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,126
I didn't think
anything about it.
781
00:37:41,226 --> 00:37:45,564
The very next day, he calls me.
782
00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:46,465
Listen, honey.
783
00:37:46,565 --> 00:37:49,200
I need your help this afternoon.
784
00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:52,037
ROBERT STACK: JD told Peggy
that his uncle was seriously ill
785
00:37:52,137 --> 00:37:54,272
and required immediate surgery.
786
00:37:54,373 --> 00:37:57,242
He explained that his funds
were tied up with investors
787
00:37:57,343 --> 00:37:59,177
and feigned great
embarrassment at having
788
00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:00,379
to ask Peggy for a loan.
789
00:38:00,479 --> 00:38:01,279
OK.
790
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:02,213
Mhm.
791
00:38:02,314 --> 00:38:03,582
Yeah, I'll have
it ready for you.
792
00:38:03,682 --> 00:38:05,384
PEGGY PETERSON: You
know, what could I do?
793
00:38:05,484 --> 00:38:08,253
I mean, I've already
committed myself
794
00:38:08,354 --> 00:38:12,658
that I could let him have $500.
795
00:38:12,758 --> 00:38:15,461
And what could I do?
796
00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:17,796
I can't say, well, yesterday,
I had $500 to loan you.
797
00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:19,865
Today, I don't.
798
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,232
So they found the truck?
799
00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:22,868
Yeah, they found the truck.
800
00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:24,903
ROBERT STACK: Another
victim, whom we call Amelia,
801
00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:27,839
met JD in August of 1990.
802
00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:30,542
One month later, her son
decided to sell his car
803
00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,578
and buy a pickup truck.
804
00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:37,282
JD saw his opening and quickly
talked his way into the deal.
805
00:38:37,383 --> 00:38:40,251
JD told Amelia that
he could sell the car
806
00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:42,621
and, for an additional
$4,000, could make
807
00:38:42,721 --> 00:38:45,223
a great buy on a new pickup.
808
00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:46,992
So you got the title?
809
00:38:47,092 --> 00:38:47,926
We do.
810
00:38:48,026 --> 00:38:49,961
It's all signed
and taken care of.
811
00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:51,162
OK.
812
00:38:51,262 --> 00:38:52,364
OK, you both signed
it over to me.
813
00:38:52,464 --> 00:38:53,264
That's good.
814
00:38:53,365 --> 00:38:55,634
And $4,000 cash?
815
00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:56,535
You got it.
816
00:38:56,635 --> 00:38:57,803
That's all we need.
817
00:38:57,903 --> 00:39:00,038
AMELIA: I told him I had
some questions about the car
818
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:02,608
and was feeling anxious
about the whole situation
819
00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:05,844
since I didn't
know him very well.
820
00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:08,780
He was saying to me, how
can I possibly doubt him?
821
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,051
Here he is, this honest,
caring, wonderful person.
822
00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:14,586
At some point in
the conversation,
823
00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:18,356
I had said something to the
effect that for all I knew,
824
00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,358
he could be a con artist.
825
00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:23,261
And his immediate response
was, Amelia, you could
826
00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,197
be a con artist for all I know.
827
00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:28,400
The end result was
that we ended up
828
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,603
with no truck and no
money and no Mustang
829
00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:34,305
at the end the situation.
830
00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:35,707
And that's how it got started.
831
00:39:35,807 --> 00:39:37,976
First, it was a little amount,
and then it would get bigger,
832
00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:39,545
and then bigger and bigger.
833
00:39:39,645 --> 00:39:42,313
And eventually, it would get
into the tens of thousands
834
00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:43,715
of dollars.
835
00:39:43,815 --> 00:39:46,552
Linda, I need your
help on this deal now.
836
00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:48,186
ROBERT STACK: In the
case of Linda Weaver,
837
00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,255
it was two months
before JD began
838
00:39:50,355 --> 00:39:52,257
to ask for large sums of money.
839
00:39:52,357 --> 00:39:53,158
Isn't that good news?
840
00:39:53,258 --> 00:39:54,059
Yes, that's great.
841
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:55,326
I think that's great.
842
00:39:55,427 --> 00:39:57,663
But it's going to be three
weeks before it gets here.
843
00:39:57,763 --> 00:39:59,898
Now, we've got to get
this business rolling now.
844
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:03,201
So what I'm asking for
is a small loan-- $15,000
845
00:40:03,301 --> 00:40:04,102
to get this done.
846
00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:06,505
I don't have $15,000.
847
00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:08,239
Do it for you and me.
848
00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:13,712
Now, you know the answer.
849
00:40:13,812 --> 00:40:17,082
You going to do this for us?
850
00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:18,416
OK.
851
00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:19,918
Good girl.
852
00:40:20,018 --> 00:40:21,453
LINDA WEAVER: It
happened so fast
853
00:40:21,553 --> 00:40:24,856
that I didn't realize what was
coming across until afterwards.
854
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,958
I'm going, oh, my god.
855
00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:27,993
What is going on?
856
00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:29,427
He was so good.
857
00:40:29,528 --> 00:40:30,596
He hit and ran.
858
00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:33,364
And he's doing it
to all his victims.
859
00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:34,733
ROBERT STACK: Three
months after he
860
00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:38,436
met Peggy Peterson, JD played
out the same scene with her.
861
00:40:38,537 --> 00:40:39,337
Listen, dear.
862
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:40,572
I need to--
863
00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:42,808
I need to borrow some money
from you to, you know,
864
00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:45,544
help me have some cash
for the-- for the trip.
865
00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:47,579
I need about $9,600.
866
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:48,480
Oh, man.
867
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:49,781
That's a lot of money, JD.
868
00:40:49,881 --> 00:40:52,017
Well, I know it seems like it.
869
00:40:52,117 --> 00:40:55,253
But that $9,600 is chili beans
compared to what my assets are.
870
00:40:55,353 --> 00:40:56,555
PEGGY PETERSON:
His rationale was
871
00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,557
always that, well, I'm going
to pay you back next week.
872
00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:00,158
I'll have my money next week.
873
00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:02,327
I'll pay you right back.
874
00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,396
PEGGY PETERSON: That night,
I was just sleeping soundly.
875
00:41:05,497 --> 00:41:06,932
I was sleeping like a brick.
876
00:41:07,032 --> 00:41:11,036
And at 2:30 in the morning, I
just sat bolt upright in bed
877
00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:13,972
like God had slapped me
upside the head with a 2 by 4
878
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,142
and realized what
had happened to me.
879
00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:20,245
I knew Jerry for 11 months.
880
00:41:20,345 --> 00:41:23,348
During that period of time,
he, in one way or another,
881
00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:26,785
extorted over $70,000.
882
00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:28,587
ROBERT STACK: In
Amelia's case, JD
883
00:41:28,687 --> 00:41:32,257
also waited three months before
he went for the big money.
884
00:41:32,357 --> 00:41:35,527
I don't know about taking
the equity out on my home.
885
00:41:35,627 --> 00:41:39,097
Well, Amelia, it would
only be a short term.
886
00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:41,900
Now, if it'd make you
feel more comfortable,
887
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,069
I've got a promissory note.
888
00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:45,403
A promissory note?
889
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:46,738
Yes.
890
00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:50,041
It's a legally-binding contract
that ensures you that I'll
891
00:41:50,141 --> 00:41:52,510
pay you back the exact sum.
892
00:41:52,611 --> 00:41:54,179
KATHY SASAK: The problem
with the promissory notes
893
00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:56,682
was that JD Method
would fill out
894
00:41:56,782 --> 00:41:59,050
the promissory note backwards.
895
00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:03,088
He would make himself the payee,
and he would make the victim
896
00:42:03,188 --> 00:42:06,692
the maker so that when you
read the promissory note,
897
00:42:06,792 --> 00:42:10,796
it said that she owed
him $30,000, $40,000,
898
00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:12,664
whatever the amount
that was involved
899
00:42:12,764 --> 00:42:14,700
with that particular victim.
900
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,636
By looking at that
timeline, what you see
901
00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:21,773
is that, as Mr. Method was
starting a relationship,
902
00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:23,875
he would either be in
the middle or the end
903
00:42:23,975 --> 00:42:26,578
of another relationship.
904
00:42:26,678 --> 00:42:28,747
I don't believe
JD Method knows
905
00:42:28,847 --> 00:42:31,817
the difference between
truth and reality anymore.
906
00:42:31,917 --> 00:42:38,389
I think that he has built
his life on lies for so long
907
00:42:38,489 --> 00:42:41,426
that he doesn't even
know the truth anymore.
908
00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:45,764
I think he probably
believes all of the glop
909
00:42:45,864 --> 00:42:49,567
that he shovels off on women.
910
00:42:49,668 --> 00:42:50,969
ROBERT STACK: Update.
911
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,973
On September 1, 1992, JD Method
was apprehended in Beaverton,
912
00:42:55,073 --> 00:42:58,476
Oregon, after police were
contacted by a woman who lost
913
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,647
$2,000 to a man she met
through a personals ad
914
00:43:01,747 --> 00:43:04,315
in the newspaper.
915
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:06,384
Police staked out the
man's home in Beaverton,
916
00:43:06,484 --> 00:43:08,620
then arrested him
when he returned.
917
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,257
He was later identified
as JD Method.
918
00:43:12,357 --> 00:43:14,225
Inside Method's
house, authorities
919
00:43:14,325 --> 00:43:16,594
seized several briefcases
and a steamer trunk
920
00:43:16,695 --> 00:43:18,596
containing papers
and documents which
921
00:43:18,697 --> 00:43:21,266
may have been used by Method
to perpetrate his scams.
922
00:43:39,417 --> 00:43:43,054
Next week, haunting tales
in honor of Halloween.
923
00:43:43,154 --> 00:43:44,856
During Prohibition,
a dramatic love
924
00:43:44,956 --> 00:43:48,927
triangle ended in tragedy for a
beautiful lady dressed in blue.
925
00:43:49,027 --> 00:43:50,996
Some say her ghost
still haunts the spot
926
00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,799
where she and her lover met.
927
00:43:53,899 --> 00:43:55,867
And in Wilmington,
California, many
928
00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:57,803
believe the spirits
of the Civil War
929
00:43:57,903 --> 00:44:02,073
still roam at Drum
Barracks Museum.
930
00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:04,175
Join me next time.
931
00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:07,512
Perhaps you may be able
to help solve a mystery.
932
00:44:07,612 --> 00:44:11,449
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