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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,672 --> 00:00:07,408 ANNOUNCER: This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:07,508 --> 00:00:09,410 Whenever possible, the actual family members 3 00:00:09,510 --> 00:00:11,379 and police officials have participated 4 00:00:11,479 --> 00:00:13,013 in recreating the events. 5 00:00:13,114 --> 00:00:15,316 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 6 00:00:20,654 --> 00:00:23,291 ROBERT STACK: Tonight on "Unsolved Mysteries," journey 7 00:00:23,391 --> 00:00:26,660 into the shadowy world of dreams and hear the startling accounts 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,463 of three people who are convinced that their dreams 9 00:00:29,563 --> 00:00:32,133 predicted the future. 10 00:00:32,233 --> 00:00:34,468 In New Orleans, a brutal serial killer 11 00:00:34,568 --> 00:00:37,538 has apparently taken the lives of several young women. 12 00:00:37,638 --> 00:00:41,575 Police need your help before he strikes again. 13 00:00:41,675 --> 00:00:43,811 And that intriguing profile of a devious Con 14 00:00:43,911 --> 00:00:45,946 Juan who preys upon lonely women, 15 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:50,017 taking first their hearts and their wallets. 16 00:00:50,118 --> 00:00:51,419 Join me. 17 00:00:51,519 --> 00:00:55,055 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery. 18 00:00:55,156 --> 00:01:00,060 [theme music] 19 00:01:49,577 --> 00:01:54,081 Have you ever had a dream so vivid you thought it was real? 20 00:01:54,182 --> 00:01:57,485 So compelling, you wondered if it actually happened? 21 00:01:57,585 --> 00:01:59,520 As fantastic as it may seem, you're 22 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:03,023 about to meet several people who are convinced that sometimes 23 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:04,392 dreams do come true. 24 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:10,531 Glenn Loney is a professor of theater at Brooklyn 25 00:02:10,631 --> 00:02:12,233 College in New York City. 26 00:02:12,333 --> 00:02:15,736 His story begins on a cold winter night 20 years ago, 27 00:02:15,836 --> 00:02:18,439 when he had a dream which he believes saved his life. 28 00:02:28,048 --> 00:02:29,750 GLENN LONEY: I was driving up a hill 29 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:32,520 and there was a blind curve up at the top. 30 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:36,957 It was like the road was built around a hillside. 31 00:02:37,057 --> 00:02:39,460 On my side, the outside lane, there's 32 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,896 really a very steep drop. 33 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:45,966 Suddenly, there came a car around the curve. 34 00:02:46,066 --> 00:02:47,635 There was a little two-wheel trailer behind it, 35 00:02:47,735 --> 00:02:51,505 and suddenly the outside wheel of the trailer comes off 36 00:02:51,605 --> 00:02:54,875 and there was a shower of sparks, like a sparkler. 37 00:02:54,975 --> 00:02:58,011 And suddenly, the wheel came skidding across the road 38 00:02:58,111 --> 00:03:00,481 toward my car, and I thought, step on the gas 39 00:03:00,581 --> 00:03:01,382 or you're a dead man. 40 00:03:07,555 --> 00:03:09,156 And I woke up in a cold sweat. 41 00:03:09,257 --> 00:03:11,058 I never had a dream that I remembered 42 00:03:11,158 --> 00:03:13,894 every particular detail of and it was so vivid, 43 00:03:13,994 --> 00:03:16,364 as if it had actually happened. 44 00:03:16,464 --> 00:03:17,765 Other dreams aren't like that. 45 00:03:17,865 --> 00:03:20,434 Other dreams are bits and pieces of things from the real world 46 00:03:20,534 --> 00:03:22,135 and from the world of fantasy and things 47 00:03:22,236 --> 00:03:24,305 that never were or never could be. 48 00:03:24,405 --> 00:03:26,940 This was just like seeing the thing-- 49 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,709 that somebody else had filmed it. 50 00:03:28,809 --> 00:03:30,778 That there might have been a camera in the back seat. 51 00:03:34,748 --> 00:03:36,149 ROBERT STACK: Six months later, Glenn 52 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:38,419 was on a business trip with a fellow professor 53 00:03:38,519 --> 00:03:42,055 in a part of the country where he had never been before. 54 00:03:42,155 --> 00:03:43,624 How's your classes going, by the way? 55 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:44,525 Oh, doing fine. 56 00:03:44,625 --> 00:03:45,426 Good. 57 00:03:45,526 --> 00:03:46,360 Yeah. 58 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:47,628 We got some good people this time. 59 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:48,529 Mhm. 60 00:03:50,964 --> 00:03:52,099 GLENN LONEY: Halfway up, I realized 61 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,234 this is the hill of my dream. 62 00:03:54,335 --> 00:03:56,169 I suddenly realized this is the road. 63 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:57,271 This is the place. 64 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:58,672 There was no traffic coming the other way. 65 00:03:58,772 --> 00:04:00,641 Nothing. 66 00:04:00,741 --> 00:04:02,910 You all right, Glenn? 67 00:04:03,010 --> 00:04:04,011 No, I'm not. 68 00:04:04,111 --> 00:04:05,212 GLENN LONEY: I said, my god, a car's 69 00:04:05,313 --> 00:04:07,781 going to come around that curve and a wheel's 70 00:04:07,881 --> 00:04:09,082 going to come off the trailer, and it's 71 00:04:09,182 --> 00:04:10,183 going to come at our car. 72 00:04:10,284 --> 00:04:11,251 I've got to step on the gas or we're dead. 73 00:04:27,401 --> 00:04:29,169 ROBERT STACK: Some would say that what happened to Glenn 74 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,405 Loney was mere coincidence. 75 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:32,806 However, there are many people who 76 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:35,476 believe that what he experienced was a phenomenon known 77 00:04:35,576 --> 00:04:37,811 as a psychic dream, a dream which can 78 00:04:37,911 --> 00:04:39,447 apparently foretell the future. 79 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:43,984 GLENN LONEY: There's a clear distinction 80 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:47,355 between ordinary dreaming, which we all do every night, 81 00:04:47,455 --> 00:04:48,656 and a psychic dream. 82 00:04:48,756 --> 00:04:51,359 And the clear distinction is that, for ordinary dreams, 83 00:04:51,459 --> 00:04:53,461 they're very difficult to remember. 84 00:04:53,561 --> 00:04:55,128 Five minutes, 10 minutes after you're awake, 85 00:04:55,228 --> 00:04:56,464 you've forgotten most of the details. 86 00:04:56,564 --> 00:04:57,698 It's very hazy. 87 00:04:57,798 --> 00:05:00,067 On the other hand, a psychic dream wakes 88 00:05:00,167 --> 00:05:01,602 you bolt upright out of bed. 89 00:05:01,702 --> 00:05:08,308 It's a clear, vivid dream that literally shocks you awake. 90 00:05:08,409 --> 00:05:10,344 ROBERT STACK: Dr. David Ryback is one of the leading 91 00:05:10,444 --> 00:05:12,580 authorities on psychic dreams. 92 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,915 He and freelance author Letitia Sweitzer 93 00:05:15,015 --> 00:05:16,350 have written a book which contains 94 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:19,252 more than 80 case studies. 95 00:05:19,353 --> 00:05:22,756 Dr. Ryback has concluded that perhaps one out of 12 people 96 00:05:22,856 --> 00:05:26,460 have experienced psychic dreams. 97 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,831 RHONDA ANDERSON: When I first realized that I had the ability 98 00:05:30,931 --> 00:05:33,667 to see into the future through my dreams 99 00:05:33,767 --> 00:05:35,135 was when I was a teenager. 100 00:05:35,235 --> 00:05:37,270 ROBERT STACK: Rhonda Anderson is one of the subjects 101 00:05:37,371 --> 00:05:38,906 in Dr. Ryback's study. 102 00:05:39,006 --> 00:05:42,710 --but I do remember just having glimpses into the future 103 00:05:42,810 --> 00:05:44,044 through my dreams. 104 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:46,980 Um, over here, there's Greek. 105 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,483 ROBERT STACK: In 1980, Rhonda was living in Knoxville, 106 00:05:49,583 --> 00:05:51,919 Tennessee, when she began dating Joe Anderson, 107 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:53,954 the man she would later marry. 108 00:05:54,054 --> 00:05:55,689 The first test of their relationship 109 00:05:55,789 --> 00:06:00,394 came when Rhonda told Joe about her special ability. 110 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:02,362 JOE ANDERSON: For me to believe something like that, 111 00:06:02,463 --> 00:06:05,232 I would probably have to have been involved in it 112 00:06:05,332 --> 00:06:08,969 or know specifically of the incident. 113 00:06:09,069 --> 00:06:14,274 I typically don't believe things like that 114 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:16,410 without having some proof. 115 00:06:19,246 --> 00:06:21,248 ROBERT STACK: Six months after Joe and Rhonda met, 116 00:06:21,348 --> 00:06:23,517 Joe got the proof he needed. 117 00:06:23,617 --> 00:06:25,853 While he was away on a weekend camping trip, 118 00:06:25,953 --> 00:06:28,055 Rhonda dreamed that he had an uninvited intruder 119 00:06:28,155 --> 00:06:28,956 at his campsite. 120 00:06:48,542 --> 00:06:51,545 RHONDA ANDERSON: My heart was pounding so hard 121 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:53,714 that I had to sit up in my bed. 122 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:55,549 And I looked at the clock, and it 123 00:06:55,649 --> 00:06:57,851 was 3 o'clock in the morning. 124 00:06:57,951 --> 00:07:01,054 And I knew that there was really not anything that I 125 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:02,355 could do about it at that time. 126 00:07:06,059 --> 00:07:07,360 [phone ringing] 127 00:07:08,395 --> 00:07:09,630 Hello? JOE (ON PHONE): Hi, honey. 128 00:07:09,730 --> 00:07:10,531 How you doing? 129 00:07:10,631 --> 00:07:12,299 Oh, Joe, I'm so glad you called. 130 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:13,567 Is everything all right? 131 00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:15,402 ROBERT STACK: The next morning, Joe called Rhonda 132 00:07:15,503 --> 00:07:18,005 as soon as he returned home. 133 00:07:18,105 --> 00:07:19,339 JOE ANDERSON: She had not been expecting 134 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,909 me until later that afternoon. 135 00:07:22,009 --> 00:07:24,277 She asked me what I was doing back so early. 136 00:07:24,377 --> 00:07:26,013 I told her that we had had an incident with a bear 137 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:29,650 and decided to come back home early. 138 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:31,852 ROBERT STACK: Joe says that around 4 o'clock that morning, 139 00:07:31,952 --> 00:07:33,621 he awoke when he sensed a disturbance 140 00:07:33,721 --> 00:07:35,188 outside of his tent. 141 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:37,791 He was certain of the time because he checked his watch. 142 00:07:37,891 --> 00:07:38,692 Shoo! 143 00:07:38,792 --> 00:07:39,593 Shoo! 144 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:41,194 Go away! 145 00:07:41,294 --> 00:07:42,162 Go! Shoo! 146 00:07:42,262 --> 00:07:43,063 Shoo! 147 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:44,031 Go away! 148 00:07:44,131 --> 00:07:45,499 Go on. Get out of here. 149 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:46,700 Shoo. 150 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,235 JOE ANDERSON: She'd had the dream about 3 o'clock, 151 00:07:48,335 --> 00:07:51,639 since I actually saw the bear after the bear had gotten 152 00:07:51,739 --> 00:07:53,173 into camp and torn things. 153 00:07:53,273 --> 00:07:55,008 It must have been about the time that the bear had 154 00:07:55,108 --> 00:07:56,544 come into camp the first time. 155 00:08:00,614 --> 00:08:03,083 It occurred to me possibly it was just 156 00:08:03,183 --> 00:08:06,720 a coincidence, but actually, thinking back on it, 157 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:09,923 the fact that she had the dream while the situation was 158 00:08:10,023 --> 00:08:13,794 occurring, and the way she described 159 00:08:13,894 --> 00:08:16,129 it was very similar to the way it actually occurred, 160 00:08:16,229 --> 00:08:20,467 I felt like it would have been a very unusual coincidence. 161 00:08:20,568 --> 00:08:21,869 ROBERT STACK: About a year later, 162 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:25,372 Joe and Rhonda were married and Joe received another surprise. 163 00:08:25,472 --> 00:08:27,608 His new stepdaughter, Roxanne, also 164 00:08:27,708 --> 00:08:29,777 claimed to have psychic dreams. 165 00:08:29,877 --> 00:08:32,045 Researchers believe the ability could be passed 166 00:08:32,145 --> 00:08:35,683 from generation to generation. 167 00:08:35,783 --> 00:08:37,384 We do have cases where families 168 00:08:37,484 --> 00:08:39,987 have psychic dreams very often. 169 00:08:40,087 --> 00:08:41,722 The mother may have it. 170 00:08:41,822 --> 00:08:45,292 In one family, we know the mother dreamed psychic dreams, 171 00:08:45,392 --> 00:08:47,595 the son did, and all of the first cousins. 172 00:08:47,695 --> 00:08:49,830 And they were even raised in different environments 173 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:52,666 because each of the members had been adopted 174 00:08:52,766 --> 00:08:54,301 when the family split up. 175 00:08:54,401 --> 00:08:56,436 It's hard to know whether there's a hereditary factor 176 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:57,838 or not. 177 00:08:57,938 --> 00:09:01,308 Clearly, some families have two or three people in the family 178 00:09:01,408 --> 00:09:02,810 who not only have psychic dreams, 179 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:05,078 but have the same psychic dreams, which 180 00:09:05,178 --> 00:09:07,615 is a really astounding event. 181 00:09:07,715 --> 00:09:10,784 ROBERT STACK: Rhonda and Roxanne have had just that experience. 182 00:09:10,884 --> 00:09:13,687 In April of 1991, Rhonda dreamed that Joe 183 00:09:13,787 --> 00:09:15,522 was in a terrible accident but did 184 00:09:15,623 --> 00:09:17,925 not tell anyone in her family. 185 00:09:18,025 --> 00:09:21,194 A week later, Roxanne says she had the very same dream. 186 00:09:24,598 --> 00:09:27,267 ROXANNE BOWLIN: Our car was on the side of the road, 187 00:09:27,367 --> 00:09:29,670 and then I saw a glimpse of Joe-- 188 00:09:29,770 --> 00:09:31,571 his head, his face. 189 00:09:31,672 --> 00:09:36,777 And then I saw the police writing a police report. 190 00:09:36,877 --> 00:09:39,079 It was really, really disturbing to me. 191 00:09:39,179 --> 00:09:42,382 It really upset me because it just scared me. 192 00:09:42,482 --> 00:09:43,483 And it felt like it was something 193 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:45,953 that was going to happen. 194 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:48,789 And I said, well, Roxanne, I said, let's just 195 00:09:48,889 --> 00:09:52,392 think positively about it and let's just pray 196 00:09:52,492 --> 00:09:54,628 that everything will be OK. 197 00:09:54,728 --> 00:09:59,800 And from then on, I would just ask Joe to please be careful. 198 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:01,669 ROBERT STACK: Two weeks later, Joe was on his way 199 00:10:01,769 --> 00:10:03,236 to the mountains for another weekend 200 00:10:03,336 --> 00:10:06,606 of camping when he momentarily took his eyes off the road. 201 00:10:16,884 --> 00:10:18,618 JOE ANDERSON: Luckily, I wasn't injured. 202 00:10:18,719 --> 00:10:20,821 Of course, first thing I thought about after that happened 203 00:10:20,921 --> 00:10:24,057 was that Rhonda had warned me to be very careful 204 00:10:24,157 --> 00:10:29,897 and I had not paid attention to the road and slid off 205 00:10:29,997 --> 00:10:32,099 and had the accident. 206 00:10:32,199 --> 00:10:36,169 The car crash could have been more detrimental. 207 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:38,338 It could have been more disastrous. 208 00:10:38,438 --> 00:10:43,310 And I hang on to the thought that perhaps maybe 209 00:10:43,410 --> 00:10:46,479 that was the reason that I had the dream and Roxanne 210 00:10:46,579 --> 00:10:47,547 had the dream-- 211 00:10:47,647 --> 00:10:49,983 so that we could warn him over and over 212 00:10:50,083 --> 00:10:51,885 again to please be careful. 213 00:10:51,985 --> 00:10:56,790 Because had we not, we don't know what would have happened. 214 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:59,259 The extraordinary experiences of the Anderson family 215 00:10:59,359 --> 00:11:02,495 could make even the harshest skeptics stop and think. 216 00:11:02,595 --> 00:11:06,333 After all, a coincidence can only account for so much. 217 00:11:06,433 --> 00:11:09,036 You're about to meet a woman who says her psychic dreams did not 218 00:11:09,136 --> 00:11:13,774 foretell the future, but brought her news of an untimely death. 219 00:11:13,874 --> 00:11:15,342 Joe, I'm so glad you're back. 220 00:11:15,442 --> 00:11:16,409 It's so good to see you. 221 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:18,511 Well, Katie, it's really great to be back. 222 00:11:18,611 --> 00:11:21,348 ROBERT STACK: In 1942, 20-year-old Catherine Webb 223 00:11:21,448 --> 00:11:23,851 fell in love with a soldier named Joe Stewart. 224 00:11:23,951 --> 00:11:25,518 I don't think it's really the best time for us 225 00:11:25,618 --> 00:11:26,954 to go into a marriage. 226 00:11:27,054 --> 00:11:28,288 ROBERT STACK: Both wanted to marry, 227 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:30,190 but because of hardships in their families, 228 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:32,259 they decided that the timing was not right. 229 00:11:35,462 --> 00:11:37,965 Well, you know, the truth is, Joe, 230 00:11:38,065 --> 00:11:40,333 I've been thinking the same thing. 231 00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:41,634 Mother's not well. 232 00:11:41,735 --> 00:11:44,938 Dad's not very strong. 233 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:46,106 I just don't think it's fair to you 234 00:11:46,206 --> 00:11:49,442 to take on that much responsibility. 235 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:51,311 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: Yes, I've always regretted that. 236 00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:53,881 Instead of being so conscientious 237 00:11:53,981 --> 00:11:57,650 about our obligations, we should have thought of ourselves. 238 00:12:00,788 --> 00:12:01,822 I didn't see him for a while. 239 00:12:01,922 --> 00:12:03,056 And then I saw him again. 240 00:12:03,156 --> 00:12:05,325 And from then on through the years, when I'd see him, 241 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:09,062 we'd go out two or three times, but I left it go at that. 242 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:14,367 ROBERT STACK: Catherine never forgot her first love. 243 00:12:14,467 --> 00:12:17,670 She remained single until January of 1965, 244 00:12:17,771 --> 00:12:21,508 when, at the age of 47, she married her next door neighbor. 245 00:12:21,608 --> 00:12:23,510 The next year, Catherine began having 246 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:25,678 a strange recurring dream. 247 00:12:25,779 --> 00:12:28,015 DOCTOR (ECHOIC): 5 milligrams of D5W. 248 00:12:28,115 --> 00:12:29,282 NURSE (ON INTERCOM): Dr. Ramos to ICU. 249 00:12:29,382 --> 00:12:30,550 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: I kept getting 250 00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:32,052 this dream all the time. 251 00:12:32,152 --> 00:12:35,889 All I saw was these nurses and doctors, a lot of confusion, 252 00:12:35,989 --> 00:12:37,324 probably working on someone. 253 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:39,827 That was to be how it would look. 254 00:12:39,927 --> 00:12:41,361 The nurses were rushing around. 255 00:12:41,461 --> 00:12:43,463 The doctors seemed very concerned. 256 00:12:43,563 --> 00:12:45,298 But I couldn't see what they were doing. 257 00:12:48,936 --> 00:12:52,539 And then it seemed to me that I just got the intuition 258 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,109 that it's about Joe Stewart. 259 00:12:56,209 --> 00:12:59,446 And I just kept having that dream, 260 00:12:59,546 --> 00:13:03,016 off and on, all during the month of May and June. 261 00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:04,751 And it just got worse and worse. 262 00:13:10,023 --> 00:13:11,591 ROBERT STACK: Finally, Catherine had a dream which 263 00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:13,393 seemed to explain everything. 264 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:23,136 In this new dream, Catherine was in her kitchen 265 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:26,840 when she received a most unexpected visitor. 266 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:28,141 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: I turned around 267 00:13:28,241 --> 00:13:30,878 and Joe was standing there. 268 00:13:30,978 --> 00:13:32,812 Joe? 269 00:13:32,913 --> 00:13:35,315 What are you doing here? 270 00:13:35,415 --> 00:13:41,554 Cate, I came to tell you that I died. 271 00:13:41,654 --> 00:13:42,822 What? 272 00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:44,024 Yes, it's true. 273 00:13:44,124 --> 00:13:45,392 I'm dead. 274 00:13:45,492 --> 00:13:46,793 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: It seemed 275 00:13:46,894 --> 00:13:50,197 quite natural for him to have a hold of my hand and taking me. 276 00:13:50,297 --> 00:13:51,298 I believed him. 277 00:13:51,398 --> 00:13:52,799 I just couldn't grasp it. 278 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:54,434 Joe, I don't understand this. 279 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:57,204 I'll explain. 280 00:13:57,304 --> 00:13:59,072 You see, I just had to let you know 281 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:04,011 that, thanks to your prayers, I'll have a Christian burial. 282 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:12,685 It's all right. 283 00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:15,188 Who is this? 284 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:18,291 It's me, Cate. 285 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:20,961 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: I could smell flowers and fern. 286 00:14:21,061 --> 00:14:24,064 And I looked down at the man in the casket. 287 00:14:24,164 --> 00:14:25,598 It didn't look like Joe. 288 00:14:25,698 --> 00:14:26,499 It isn't you. 289 00:14:26,599 --> 00:14:27,700 It doesn't look like you. 290 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,170 Yes, I know, but it is. 291 00:14:30,270 --> 00:14:37,077 And I came to tell you that I'll always love you. 292 00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:38,745 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: And I could feel the flesh 293 00:14:38,845 --> 00:14:40,914 and the warmth of his hand. 294 00:14:41,014 --> 00:14:42,882 And he said, I always loved you. 295 00:14:42,983 --> 00:14:44,317 And he kissed me. 296 00:14:44,417 --> 00:14:48,021 And I felt his lips and his breath, and that was it. 297 00:15:04,171 --> 00:15:06,339 My perspiration was pouring off of me. 298 00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:07,240 I was shaking. 299 00:15:10,077 --> 00:15:13,313 I thought, now I know why all those 300 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:17,384 dreams I saw doctors and nurses, and I thought it was Joe. 301 00:15:17,484 --> 00:15:18,451 This is what it meant. 302 00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:24,291 What I just saw was no dream. 303 00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:25,825 This was a vision. 304 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,194 And I knew it was true. 305 00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,628 I just felt in my heart it was true. 306 00:15:28,728 --> 00:15:31,798 I didn't want to believe he was dead, but I knew that was true. 307 00:15:38,005 --> 00:15:40,207 Nobody let me know that Joe was sick. 308 00:15:40,307 --> 00:15:42,342 ROBERT STACK: A few days later, Catherine contacted 309 00:15:42,442 --> 00:15:44,777 Joe's sister and brother-in-law and her worst 310 00:15:44,877 --> 00:15:46,746 fears were confirmed. 311 00:15:46,846 --> 00:15:49,649 Catherine was stunned to learn that Joe had gone into a coma 312 00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:51,651 the very day that she had the first dream 313 00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:53,920 about doctors and nurses. 314 00:15:54,021 --> 00:15:56,189 He had died of a brain aneurysm just two 315 00:15:56,289 --> 00:15:58,191 days before he appeared to Catherine 316 00:15:58,291 --> 00:15:59,726 in her dream about the church. 317 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:04,797 You know, somebody should have told me. 318 00:16:04,897 --> 00:16:05,932 Well, we didn't know what to do. 319 00:16:06,033 --> 00:16:08,101 And even if you went to the funeral, 320 00:16:08,201 --> 00:16:10,737 you wouldn't have recognized him. 321 00:16:10,837 --> 00:16:13,806 The mortuary put a wig on Joe. 322 00:16:13,906 --> 00:16:16,043 His body was so thin, nobody knew him. 323 00:16:19,246 --> 00:16:21,648 Well, let me tell you something. 324 00:16:21,748 --> 00:16:24,817 Joe came to me in a dream. 325 00:16:24,917 --> 00:16:27,187 He came to me in my kitchen and told me himself 326 00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:28,688 that he had died. 327 00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:30,523 CATHERINE SHEAHAN WEBB: I was convinced that everything 328 00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:34,394 I'd tell them, they would tell me, yes, that's the way it was. 329 00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:37,597 And when I did tell them, his sister said yes. 330 00:16:37,697 --> 00:16:39,699 She said, every detail you've told us, she said, 331 00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:40,667 is just the way it was. 332 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:48,275 ROBERT STACK: William Shakespeare 333 00:16:48,375 --> 00:16:52,345 once wrote, "today's dream is tomorrow's reality." 334 00:16:52,445 --> 00:16:54,347 The cases we've examined tonight certainly 335 00:16:54,447 --> 00:16:56,683 seem to support that sentiment. 336 00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:59,852 But there is still no logical explanation for psychic dreams. 337 00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:06,526 Perhaps this phenomenon will always remain inexplicable 338 00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:08,795 and beyond our understanding-- 339 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:11,098 truly an unsolved mystery. 340 00:17:15,935 --> 00:17:18,505 Next, a serial killer may be stalking 341 00:17:18,605 --> 00:17:19,839 the streets of New Orleans. 342 00:17:31,351 --> 00:17:34,121 New Orleans, home of the Mardi Gras. 343 00:17:34,221 --> 00:17:36,889 The city's heartbeat is its raucous French Quarter, 344 00:17:36,989 --> 00:17:40,560 where great music, street celebrations, and Cajun cooking 345 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:44,297 sometimes overshadow a more unsavory side of the city. 346 00:17:49,202 --> 00:17:51,438 August 4, 1991. 347 00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:54,307 Across the Mississippi River from the French Quarter, 348 00:17:54,407 --> 00:17:56,509 a lone recycler gleaned what he could 349 00:17:56,609 --> 00:17:59,246 along a narrow, deserted city road, often 350 00:17:59,346 --> 00:18:01,814 used illegally as a dump site. 351 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:05,285 He had no idea he was about to launch one of the city's most 352 00:18:05,385 --> 00:18:07,387 complex murder investigations. 353 00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:21,134 The body was identified as 17-year-old 354 00:18:21,234 --> 00:18:24,337 Danielle Britton, who lived nearby with her mother. 355 00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:26,873 She had been strangled and possibly raped 356 00:18:26,973 --> 00:18:28,708 approximately 12 hours earlier. 357 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:35,215 At first glance, the murder of Danielle Britton 358 00:18:35,315 --> 00:18:36,916 seemed an isolated incident. 359 00:18:37,016 --> 00:18:40,220 But the reality was far more sinister. 360 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,821 Danielle Britton may have been the victim 361 00:18:41,921 --> 00:18:44,657 of a serial killer who preys on women he believes 362 00:18:44,757 --> 00:18:46,493 are prostitutes. 363 00:18:46,593 --> 00:18:48,861 By some chilling estimates, more than a hundred 364 00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:53,032 serial killers roam the streets of America at any given moment. 365 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:55,101 Police are usually left to gather clues only 366 00:18:55,202 --> 00:18:58,104 from the silent testimony of gruesome crime scenes, 367 00:18:58,205 --> 00:19:00,940 but the New Orleans case would be different. 368 00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:07,347 Detective Wigginton. 369 00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:09,349 Just 10 minutes into the investigation 370 00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:12,752 of Danielle Britton's murder, Detective Elizabeth Wigginton 371 00:19:12,852 --> 00:19:14,521 had her first inkling that she was 372 00:19:14,621 --> 00:19:16,022 dealing with a serial killer. 373 00:19:16,122 --> 00:19:17,490 I don't if it means anything or not, 374 00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:18,691 but about two weeks ago-- 375 00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:20,026 ELIZABETH WIGGINTON: A man approached me 376 00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,961 regarding an attack of a woman which 377 00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:23,963 had occurred approximately two weeks earlier. 378 00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:26,433 At this time, I realized that there was a possibility 379 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,935 that this attack and the murder of Danielle Britton 380 00:19:29,035 --> 00:19:32,572 could be connected somehow with one striking difference-- 381 00:19:32,672 --> 00:19:36,609 that this victim survived her attack. 382 00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:38,511 It's more scary than anything because I 383 00:19:38,611 --> 00:19:41,348 did realize that he assumed that I was dead 384 00:19:41,448 --> 00:19:43,850 in order to leave me there. 385 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:45,252 ROBERT STACK: The surviving victim, 386 00:19:45,352 --> 00:19:48,321 whom we will call Brenda, had her voice permanently damaged 387 00:19:48,421 --> 00:19:50,523 in a strangulation attempt. 388 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:52,992 Police believe she was attacked by the same man 389 00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:56,095 who killed Danielle Britton. 390 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:59,131 Brenda, I need for you to tell me in as detail as possible, 391 00:19:59,232 --> 00:20:01,200 what happened that night. 392 00:20:01,301 --> 00:20:03,436 ROBERT STACK: When interviewed by Detective Wigginton, 393 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:09,008 Brenda was able to recall the trauma in minute detail. 394 00:20:09,108 --> 00:20:11,878 BRENDA: I was at my house, and I decided that I wanted to go 395 00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:13,446 and visit a friend of mine. 396 00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:15,515 So I walked up Merrill Street. 397 00:20:15,615 --> 00:20:17,717 And I noticed that a car was following me. 398 00:20:17,817 --> 00:20:20,520 Say, you need a ride? 399 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:23,356 BRENDA: So the man in the car kept side by side with me 400 00:20:23,456 --> 00:20:26,293 as I was walking and asked me when I was going. 401 00:20:26,393 --> 00:20:28,561 I'm just going a few blocks down. 402 00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:29,929 I'm OK. 403 00:20:30,029 --> 00:20:31,698 Look, you're too good-looking to be out here by yourself. 404 00:20:31,798 --> 00:20:33,165 BRENDA: I kept on walking and he kept 405 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:37,337 on insisting that he could give me a ride to where I was going. 406 00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,339 Then the car stopped, and before I knew it, 407 00:20:39,439 --> 00:20:42,575 the man grabbed me and put me into the car. 408 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:44,043 What are you doing? 409 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:52,685 ROBERT STACK: Despite Brenda's protests, 410 00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:55,788 the man drove about a half a mile past her friend's house 411 00:20:55,888 --> 00:20:59,258 to the same deserted city road where Danielle Britton's body 412 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,893 would be found two weeks later. 413 00:21:03,863 --> 00:21:05,197 What are you doin-- 414 00:21:05,298 --> 00:21:07,099 [gagging] 415 00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:11,471 BRENDA: He got on top of me and began to choke me. 416 00:21:11,571 --> 00:21:13,406 He looked at me, and I looked at him, 417 00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:15,442 and I realized this man was trying to kill me. 418 00:21:20,647 --> 00:21:23,816 I tried to fight him off, but I really couldn't. 419 00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:25,017 I didn't have any strength. 420 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:31,691 ROBERT STACK: The killer strangled Brenda 421 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,327 with his bare hands, stripped off her clothes, 422 00:21:34,427 --> 00:21:35,728 and dumped her by the side of the road. 423 00:21:38,431 --> 00:21:41,067 Six hours later, shortly after dawn, 424 00:21:41,167 --> 00:21:43,970 Brenda awoke to find herself covered with garbage 425 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:44,937 and discarded tires. 426 00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:55,081 ELIZABETH WIGGINTON: Finding Brenda had certainly been 427 00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:56,949 a lucky break in this case. 428 00:21:57,049 --> 00:22:00,520 We had now a live victim who could identify an attacker-- 429 00:22:00,620 --> 00:22:02,722 an attacker who could be responsible for the murder 430 00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,792 of Danielle Britton. 431 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:08,561 I knew this guy was out there stalking his victims. 432 00:22:08,661 --> 00:22:11,431 He was stalking women, intending to kill them. 433 00:22:11,531 --> 00:22:14,501 And I was unable to come up with a suspect. 434 00:22:14,601 --> 00:22:16,736 I had no idea it was going to get worse. 435 00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:21,874 ROBERT STACK: On September 22, 1991, 436 00:22:21,974 --> 00:22:25,512 the killer claimed his third victim, Charlene Price, 437 00:22:25,612 --> 00:22:28,080 dumping her body within one mile of the spot 438 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:31,684 where Danielle Britton was found. 439 00:22:31,784 --> 00:22:35,221 On December 14, a fourth victim, as yet unidentified, 440 00:22:35,321 --> 00:22:38,324 was found in the same vicinity. 441 00:22:38,425 --> 00:22:41,928 This is a sketch of the woman who was in her early 20s. 442 00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:45,798 She was 5 feet 2 inches tall, weighed 125 pounds, 443 00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:48,801 and had protruding front teeth. 444 00:22:48,901 --> 00:22:52,204 Did you touch anything when you got here? 445 00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:53,573 ROBERT STACK: Two and a half weeks later, 446 00:22:53,673 --> 00:22:58,277 on January 4, 1992, the killer struck yet again. 447 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:01,047 The nude body of 29-year-old Lydia Madison 448 00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:03,850 was found in an illegal dump site under the Greater New 449 00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:07,253 Orleans Bridge, 8 blocks from police headquarters 450 00:23:07,353 --> 00:23:09,689 and 400 yards from the Superdome. 451 00:23:13,526 --> 00:23:16,228 Police soon learned that three other bodies had been found 452 00:23:16,328 --> 00:23:18,397 at a nearby jurisdiction which borders 453 00:23:18,498 --> 00:23:24,504 New Orleans, bringing the total number of victims to eight. 454 00:23:24,604 --> 00:23:28,074 These bodies closely resembled bodies found 455 00:23:28,174 --> 00:23:31,778 in our investigation in previous months, 456 00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:35,114 leading me to believe that the same killer may 457 00:23:35,214 --> 00:23:39,486 be responsible for all these victims. 458 00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:40,787 ROBERT STACK: Seven of the eight women 459 00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:44,123 were found within a 3-mile radius, all but one 460 00:23:44,223 --> 00:23:47,894 on the west bank of the Mississippi. 461 00:23:47,994 --> 00:23:49,929 The killer has struck once a month, 462 00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:52,264 always strangling his victims, always 463 00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:56,503 leaving them nude, face-down, in or near illegal dump sites. 464 00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:03,209 These women have had difficult lives. 465 00:24:03,309 --> 00:24:06,646 They're in vulnerable positions and are 466 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:14,320 at risk to becoming statistics of murders and rapes. 467 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:17,657 I certainly can't do anything about helping them 468 00:24:17,757 --> 00:24:20,059 at this point other than trying to find 469 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:23,596 out who killed these victims. 470 00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:27,133 And I'm determined to get this guy. 471 00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:29,335 I'm still afraid. 472 00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:30,903 I don't run the street at all anymore. 473 00:24:31,003 --> 00:24:33,039 I don't go anywhere unless it's to church. 474 00:24:33,139 --> 00:24:35,141 If I go to the store, it's with my mother and somebody 475 00:24:35,241 --> 00:24:39,145 accompanying me because I still don't know where this man is. 476 00:24:39,245 --> 00:24:42,214 And I know he knows me just as well as I know him, 477 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,751 so I'm still very much afraid. 478 00:24:44,851 --> 00:24:48,087 If I'm at home, I stay locked up unless someone 479 00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:49,822 else is the house with me. 480 00:24:49,922 --> 00:24:54,060 It's more now like I'm living in fear every minute 481 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,262 or every second of the day. 482 00:24:56,362 --> 00:24:58,497 On the night she was murdered, Danielle Britton 483 00:24:58,598 --> 00:25:02,468 was seen with a suspect outside a bar called Neva's Rendezvous. 484 00:25:02,569 --> 00:25:04,537 The man was driving a blue, late-model Buick 485 00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:07,707 Regal or Monte Carlo. 486 00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:11,410 When we return, a man's search for an anonymous hotline 487 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:15,014 counselor who saved him from a nightmare of drug addiction. 488 00:25:23,455 --> 00:25:25,491 Among the unheralded heroes of modern city 489 00:25:25,592 --> 00:25:28,027 life are the men and women who answer the urgent calls 490 00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:30,563 coming into crisis hotlines. 491 00:25:30,663 --> 00:25:32,398 At any moment, a counselor may be plunged 492 00:25:32,498 --> 00:25:34,066 into a desperate situation, where 493 00:25:34,166 --> 00:25:37,503 the fate of a total stranger hangs in the balance. 494 00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:41,107 Our next story is a very special mystery about one man's search 495 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,275 for the anonymous hotline counselor 496 00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:47,379 who reached out and saved his life. 497 00:25:47,479 --> 00:25:50,149 Houston, Texas, 1982. 498 00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:53,019 James Vernon was strung out again. 499 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,322 He had been addicted to heroin since he was 16. 500 00:25:56,422 --> 00:25:58,825 On several occasions, James had entered drug treatment 501 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:02,161 programs, but inevitably, he wound up back on the streets, 502 00:26:02,261 --> 00:26:04,931 still addicted, his life stripped of everything 503 00:26:05,031 --> 00:26:06,833 but the daily hustle for a fix. 504 00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:12,171 JAMES VERNON: Nothing mattered other than where 505 00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:14,907 was my next shot coming from. 506 00:26:15,007 --> 00:26:17,777 And that became my life. 507 00:26:17,877 --> 00:26:18,978 You speak of careers-- 508 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:22,081 when you say someone has a career in show business 509 00:26:22,181 --> 00:26:24,316 or someone has a career as a doctor, 510 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:27,153 my career was getting my next fix. 511 00:26:27,253 --> 00:26:29,088 That was my career. 512 00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:35,962 I can remember back in '82, I'd just fixed. 513 00:26:36,062 --> 00:26:39,465 I'd just done a load of heroin, as it's called, 514 00:26:39,565 --> 00:26:41,400 and I was just walking around the streets just trying 515 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,535 to figure out what my next move was because I knew that things 516 00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:45,104 were getting bad, and I looked up 517 00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:48,908 and saw a billboard that said, if you need help, we do care. 518 00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:54,113 ROBERT STACK: James felt he had nothing to lose. 519 00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:56,448 He called the number and spoke to a woman who 520 00:26:56,548 --> 00:26:58,617 identified herself as Libby. 521 00:26:58,718 --> 00:26:59,719 Hello. 522 00:26:59,819 --> 00:27:02,388 What would you like to talk about, James? 523 00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:05,624 JAMES (ON PHONE): The same old song. 524 00:27:05,725 --> 00:27:06,525 I'm lonely. 525 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:10,596 I'm scared, and nobody cares. 526 00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:11,998 Oh, by the way, I'm a junkie. 527 00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:16,068 Oh, by the way, I'm a junkie. 528 00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:16,936 OK. 529 00:27:17,036 --> 00:27:18,871 Let's start with that. 530 00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:21,507 JAMES VERNON: I remember her voice being soft and kind 531 00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:22,574 and caring. 532 00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:25,912 And she didn't talk down to me or at me. 533 00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:26,813 She talked to me. 534 00:27:26,913 --> 00:27:28,781 You need to go get some help. 535 00:27:28,881 --> 00:27:31,517 And it was the first caring voice 536 00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:34,220 I had heard in a long time that wasn't degrading to me. 537 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,491 And she was letting me know that all of it wasn't my fault-- 538 00:27:39,591 --> 00:27:41,861 that I had a problem and I needed some help. 539 00:27:41,961 --> 00:27:44,330 It's not that I was a bad person. 540 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:48,034 It was just that I was sick and I needed some help. 541 00:27:48,134 --> 00:27:49,601 Hi, James. 542 00:27:49,702 --> 00:27:50,870 What's new? 543 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:52,204 ROBERT STACK: Over the next few months, 544 00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:55,041 James called Libby nearly every night. 545 00:27:55,141 --> 00:27:58,778 My mother took me back in again. 546 00:27:58,878 --> 00:27:59,979 ROBERT STACK: Though he had finally 547 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,448 found someone he could trust, this new friendship 548 00:28:02,548 --> 00:28:03,916 wasn't enough. 549 00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:07,186 James was unable to resist the pull of heroin. 550 00:28:07,286 --> 00:28:09,822 In desperation, he stole from his own mother, 551 00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:13,159 selling her jewelry to support his habit. 552 00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:15,127 You must've really been in bad shape 553 00:28:15,227 --> 00:28:17,764 to do something like that. 554 00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:21,367 I know it's tough facing up to it, James. 555 00:28:21,467 --> 00:28:23,435 I tried to make him look like someone 556 00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:30,276 else broke into her house, but I don't think she bought it. 557 00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:32,678 I remember coming home after it was over. 558 00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:36,148 And the minute my mother was home and she asked me about it, 559 00:28:36,248 --> 00:28:39,518 she said that all the jury was gone and the window was broke. 560 00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:40,987 Did I know anything about it? 561 00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:44,090 And I lied and said no, that I had nothing to do with it. 562 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:48,727 You know I wouldn't take your jewelry, Mama. 563 00:28:48,828 --> 00:28:50,830 I can't believe somebody would do this. 564 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:57,036 You know, this neighborhood ain't like it used to be, Mama. 565 00:28:57,136 --> 00:28:59,605 ROBERT STACK: Two weeks later, and with great reluctance, 566 00:28:59,705 --> 00:29:01,941 James' mother threw him out of the house. 567 00:29:02,041 --> 00:29:04,844 --something to keep people out. 568 00:29:04,944 --> 00:29:06,745 JAMES VERNON: It was just real devastating for both of us 569 00:29:06,846 --> 00:29:08,680 because I had to face up to it then, 570 00:29:08,781 --> 00:29:10,516 and I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't admit it. 571 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:16,022 ROBERT STACK: James turned to his ex-wife, 572 00:29:16,122 --> 00:29:19,458 who allowed him to move in with her and their two-year-old son. 573 00:29:19,558 --> 00:29:23,729 It appeared to be a promising new start. 574 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:24,897 Wish me luck! 575 00:29:24,997 --> 00:29:26,265 JAMES VERNON: I'm thinking, OK, I can do this. 576 00:29:26,365 --> 00:29:27,333 OK, I'll pull it back together. 577 00:29:27,433 --> 00:29:28,367 I've got my wife back. 578 00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:29,635 I've got my son back. 579 00:29:29,735 --> 00:29:30,536 I'll get a job. 580 00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:31,971 I'll get off the drugs. 581 00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:33,172 I'll make it work. 582 00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:35,374 I would do it for them. 583 00:29:35,474 --> 00:29:38,477 Hey, baby, guess what? 584 00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:40,913 ROBERT STACK: But James wasn't able to do it. 585 00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:44,083 He began using drugs again, and his ex-wife felt she 586 00:29:44,183 --> 00:29:45,885 had no choice but to walk out. 587 00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:49,956 JAMES VERNON: There was no note. 588 00:29:50,056 --> 00:29:53,425 I had no idea where she had gone, where my son was. 589 00:29:53,525 --> 00:29:57,363 The furniture, the clothes, the dishes, everything was gone. 590 00:29:59,899 --> 00:30:01,167 I think they did it-- 591 00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:02,634 I was at a point where I just didn't want to live anymore. 592 00:30:02,734 --> 00:30:04,971 I just couldn't stand anymore. 593 00:30:05,071 --> 00:30:07,439 And I decided that I was going to commit suicide. 594 00:30:07,539 --> 00:30:08,640 And I knew how I was going to do it. 595 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:10,109 I was going to just overdose on heroin. 596 00:30:10,209 --> 00:30:12,078 Just go someplace, sit down, and go out. 597 00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:14,847 Just sleep through it. 598 00:30:14,947 --> 00:30:16,515 And then Libby ran across my mind, 599 00:30:16,615 --> 00:30:18,250 and I wanted her to know that I really appreciated 600 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,619 everything she had done and for sticking with me, 601 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,688 but I just couldn't-- 602 00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:23,655 I just couldn't take no more. 603 00:30:23,755 --> 00:30:25,657 I was ready to die. 604 00:30:25,757 --> 00:30:27,526 Haven't heard from you in a while. 605 00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:30,162 Hope that means you went to get help. 606 00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:32,131 JAMES (ON PHONE): Listen, I'm going to call it a day. 607 00:30:32,231 --> 00:30:34,566 I can't take it no more. 608 00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:39,138 But I wanted to call you and thank you for everything. 609 00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:43,943 You've been a real good friend. 610 00:30:44,043 --> 00:30:45,978 Goo-- goodbye. 611 00:30:46,078 --> 00:30:48,647 James, let's talk this over. 612 00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:50,249 It can't be that bad. 613 00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:52,118 JAMES (ON PHONE): I've been living out on the street 614 00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:54,753 for the past couple of weeks. 615 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,655 I'm a junkie. 616 00:30:56,755 --> 00:30:58,557 I ain't got no money. 617 00:30:58,657 --> 00:31:01,693 And you say it's not that bad. 618 00:31:01,793 --> 00:31:06,498 Well, maybe it's time you went and got help for yourself. 619 00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:07,866 James, you have to realize-- 620 00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:09,401 JAMES VERNON: I told her I just didn't want to try no more. 621 00:31:09,501 --> 00:31:12,371 And this doesn't have to be the end. 622 00:31:12,471 --> 00:31:15,241 JAMES VERNON: And I did the last shot of what I thought 623 00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:18,144 would be my last shot of heroin. 624 00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,947 And it should have been enough to kill at least three people. 625 00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:25,717 And I got what's known as a slight rush and a little dizzy, 626 00:31:25,817 --> 00:31:26,986 and that was it. 627 00:31:27,086 --> 00:31:30,056 I even messed that-- and I remember saying to Libby-- 628 00:31:30,156 --> 00:31:33,059 she started screaming my name. 629 00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:34,260 And I just started laughing. 630 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,528 I go, I've even messed this one up, lady. 631 00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:38,197 I can't even kill me. 632 00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:39,365 And she said, all right. 633 00:31:39,465 --> 00:31:41,100 You've tried your way and it didn't work. 634 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,102 Let's give my way a shot. 635 00:31:43,202 --> 00:31:44,103 Let's go back to treatment. 636 00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:48,540 Promise me you will go to treatment. 637 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,441 Yeah. 638 00:31:49,541 --> 00:31:51,377 Yeah, right. 639 00:31:51,477 --> 00:31:52,344 Come on, James. 640 00:31:52,444 --> 00:31:54,480 You have never lied to me before. 641 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,048 Now say those words. 642 00:31:56,148 --> 00:31:58,717 I'll go to treatment. 643 00:31:58,817 --> 00:31:59,618 OK. 644 00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:03,489 I promise. 645 00:32:06,993 --> 00:32:10,162 I'll go to treatment. 646 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:11,430 JAMES VERNON: I'd never lied to Libby. 647 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:15,267 She was the only person I hadn't lied to. 648 00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:17,303 And I wasn't going to start then. 649 00:32:17,403 --> 00:32:19,805 It's just something about that voice, that caring. 650 00:32:19,905 --> 00:32:21,073 I went, all right, man. 651 00:32:21,173 --> 00:32:23,542 You promised her. 652 00:32:23,642 --> 00:32:26,178 ROBERT STACK: James Vernon kept his promise. 653 00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:28,447 The changes in his life since that evening 654 00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:30,182 are nothing short of miraculous. 655 00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:34,886 When I say my poor, departed wife, 656 00:32:34,987 --> 00:32:36,888 I don't want you folks to think my wife is dead. 657 00:32:36,989 --> 00:32:41,393 She just got sick of being poor and departed. 658 00:32:41,493 --> 00:32:43,029 ROBERT STACK: From the brink of self-destruction, 659 00:32:43,129 --> 00:32:45,631 James is now confident enough to make his living 660 00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:47,599 as a stand-up comedian. 661 00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:50,102 Nearly a decade after he last spoke to Libby, 662 00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:52,671 he remains drug and alcohol free. 663 00:32:52,771 --> 00:32:53,939 Still going to therapy. 664 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,541 I spoke to my therapist last week 665 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,410 and she said my mind was like a bad neighborhood. 666 00:32:58,510 --> 00:32:59,945 You should not go in there alone. 667 00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:04,216 JAMES VERNON: She pulled me out of a spot 668 00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:07,119 where I don't think I'd have made it out of without her. 669 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:17,629 Libby, if you're watching this tonight, please call. 670 00:33:17,729 --> 00:33:18,597 I really want to talk to you. 671 00:33:18,697 --> 00:33:19,865 I really want to see you. 672 00:33:19,965 --> 00:33:23,735 I want to give you a hug, and I want to say thanks. 673 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:27,439 It's been a long time And a lot has happened, 674 00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:29,875 but you've always been that light. 675 00:33:29,975 --> 00:33:32,744 You've always been there, and I want to tell you that. 676 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:47,893 ROBERT STACK: Next, a smooth-talking con man 677 00:33:47,993 --> 00:33:50,996 steals his victim's affections and then their money. 678 00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:04,243 Most con artists play on a basic human instinct-- 679 00:34:04,343 --> 00:34:07,879 the desire of their victims to make a quick, easy buck. 680 00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:10,582 However, the more cunning practitioners of fraud 681 00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:13,552 prey not on greed, but on emotion. 682 00:34:13,652 --> 00:34:15,087 You're about to meet three women who 683 00:34:15,187 --> 00:34:17,356 fell in love with a smooth-talking swindler named 684 00:34:17,456 --> 00:34:18,957 JD Method. 685 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:20,726 Each discovered the hard way that, when 686 00:34:20,826 --> 00:34:24,396 it comes to the confidence game, JD Method is a master. 687 00:34:26,698 --> 00:34:27,499 To new friends. 688 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:28,900 Oh, thank you, JD. 689 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,802 That's so nice. 690 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,771 ROBERT STACK: Peggy Peterson, a single mother 691 00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:35,441 and businesswoman from the Golden, Colorado area, 692 00:34:35,541 --> 00:34:38,277 met JD Method in 1990. 693 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,346 She had innocently responded to his ad 694 00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:43,515 in the personals column of a local newspaper. 695 00:34:43,615 --> 00:34:44,850 Have you ever been in a helicopter? 696 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:45,951 No, no. 697 00:34:46,051 --> 00:34:48,019 It's something I learned in Vietnam. 698 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,920 Really? 699 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:49,921 You were in Vietnam? 700 00:34:50,021 --> 00:34:50,789 Mhm. 701 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:52,424 I was a pilot there. 702 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:55,494 PEGGY PETERSON: JD was a very charming person, 703 00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:59,465 and a nice person, and a fun person, 704 00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:05,204 and someone with some professional credentials. 705 00:35:05,304 --> 00:35:06,572 Well, you know, David, it really 706 00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:09,308 sounds like you like to go to swap meets and flea markets. 707 00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:11,677 ROBERT STACK: Linda Weaver, a divorced mother of three, 708 00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:15,414 got to know JD Method in 1987 through a telephone dating 709 00:35:15,514 --> 00:35:16,815 service. 710 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:21,052 After two weeks of phone calls, they began to see each other. 711 00:35:21,153 --> 00:35:24,856 LINDA WEAVER: He's extremely well-versed in everything. 712 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,024 He's witty. 713 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,627 Because it's such a fascination of mine. 714 00:35:28,727 --> 00:35:31,363 He just knows the answers to just about everything. 715 00:35:31,463 --> 00:35:34,166 He's intelligent, and you just enjoy his company. 716 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:35,601 He could talk about any subject. 717 00:35:35,701 --> 00:35:38,337 He knows about a little bit of everything. 718 00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:40,739 In essence, he would interview these women. 719 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,107 He would talk to them. 720 00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:45,744 He would find out what they were about, their idiosyncrasies, 721 00:35:45,844 --> 00:35:47,946 what they liked, what they didn't like, 722 00:35:48,046 --> 00:35:50,349 what their style of life was. 723 00:35:50,449 --> 00:35:52,017 You know, Peg, I was thinking. 724 00:35:52,117 --> 00:35:54,186 You really ought to have a few more credit cards. 725 00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:55,487 Whoa, no. 726 00:35:55,587 --> 00:35:56,822 I don't need more credit cards. 727 00:35:56,922 --> 00:35:58,724 Oh, with credit like yours, you ought to have five. 728 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:01,126 Oh, I hate paying all that interest, JD. 729 00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:02,661 BRIAN TERRETT: One of the things that we found 730 00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:06,332 in our investigation was Method's ability 731 00:36:06,432 --> 00:36:10,168 to get his victims to extend their credit through the use 732 00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:11,670 of credit cards. 733 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:14,506 And not just one, but get a lot of credit cards. 734 00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:17,209 And even get a lot of the same kind of credit cards. 735 00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:19,711 You ought to think about it. 736 00:36:19,811 --> 00:36:21,046 Peg, I'd like you to meet Rick. 737 00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:22,548 - Well, hi, Rick. - Hi, Peggy. 738 00:36:22,648 --> 00:36:23,649 Nice to meet you. 739 00:36:23,749 --> 00:36:25,384 ROBERT STACK: In the case of Peggy Peterson, 740 00:36:25,484 --> 00:36:28,887 JD spent several weeks carefully baiting his trap until she 741 00:36:28,987 --> 00:36:29,821 trusted him implicitly. 742 00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:30,722 Especially this guy. 743 00:36:30,822 --> 00:36:32,057 He helps me sell 'em. 744 00:36:32,157 --> 00:36:34,793 Hey, Rick, I noticed that nice-looking Camaro over there. 745 00:36:34,893 --> 00:36:36,094 What's the story on that one? 746 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,398 JD, you'll love that. $1,500, private owner. 747 00:36:39,498 --> 00:36:41,467 Hold it down for you for $500 down. 748 00:36:41,567 --> 00:36:43,101 Oh, is that right? See, Peg? 749 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,303 There you go. 750 00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:47,839 If I had $500 cash, I could buy that car today, 751 00:36:47,939 --> 00:36:49,641 sell it tomorrow for $1,000 profit, 752 00:36:49,741 --> 00:36:51,176 have $1,000 in my pocket. 753 00:36:51,277 --> 00:36:52,411 - Is that right? - Yep. 754 00:36:52,511 --> 00:36:53,379 Wow. 755 00:36:53,479 --> 00:36:54,380 Hey, what else you got there, Rick? 756 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,347 I got a nice, clean-- 757 00:36:55,447 --> 00:36:57,015 Hey, honey, I'm going to go browse. 758 00:36:57,115 --> 00:36:59,318 All right. 759 00:36:59,418 --> 00:37:00,519 ROBERT STACK: Method worked the scam 760 00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:02,621 so well that Peggy made the decision 761 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:06,358 to invest without prompting. 762 00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:09,295 PEGGY PETERSON: I had already survived him doing several car 763 00:37:09,395 --> 00:37:12,998 deals over the weeks that we had been dating, 764 00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:16,001 so I wrote him out a check for $500. 765 00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:18,270 JD, honey, let's just go ahead and get that car. 766 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:19,170 Wh-- 767 00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:20,606 Yeah, let's do it. Come on. 768 00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:21,607 It'll be a good business deal. 769 00:37:21,707 --> 00:37:22,874 Can you believe this woman? 770 00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:23,775 Huh? 771 00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:24,876 What am I going to do with you? 772 00:37:24,976 --> 00:37:25,777 No. 773 00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:27,045 I'm not going to take your money. 774 00:37:27,145 --> 00:37:28,079 JD. 775 00:37:28,179 --> 00:37:29,381 And that's not a matter of the money. 776 00:37:29,481 --> 00:37:30,382 It's playing the game. 777 00:37:30,482 --> 00:37:31,917 And he tore the check up and he said, 778 00:37:32,017 --> 00:37:33,385 I wouldn't take money from you. 779 00:37:36,054 --> 00:37:39,658 And so you know, check was torn in half. 780 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:41,126 I didn't think anything about it. 781 00:37:41,226 --> 00:37:45,564 The very next day, he calls me. 782 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:46,465 Listen, honey. 783 00:37:46,565 --> 00:37:49,200 I need your help this afternoon. 784 00:37:49,301 --> 00:37:52,037 ROBERT STACK: JD told Peggy that his uncle was seriously ill 785 00:37:52,137 --> 00:37:54,272 and required immediate surgery. 786 00:37:54,373 --> 00:37:57,242 He explained that his funds were tied up with investors 787 00:37:57,343 --> 00:37:59,177 and feigned great embarrassment at having 788 00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:00,379 to ask Peggy for a loan. 789 00:38:00,479 --> 00:38:01,279 OK. 790 00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:02,213 Mhm. 791 00:38:02,314 --> 00:38:03,582 Yeah, I'll have it ready for you. 792 00:38:03,682 --> 00:38:05,384 PEGGY PETERSON: You know, what could I do? 793 00:38:05,484 --> 00:38:08,253 I mean, I've already committed myself 794 00:38:08,354 --> 00:38:12,658 that I could let him have $500. 795 00:38:12,758 --> 00:38:15,461 And what could I do? 796 00:38:15,561 --> 00:38:17,796 I can't say, well, yesterday, I had $500 to loan you. 797 00:38:17,896 --> 00:38:19,865 Today, I don't. 798 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,232 So they found the truck? 799 00:38:21,333 --> 00:38:22,868 Yeah, they found the truck. 800 00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:24,903 ROBERT STACK: Another victim, whom we call Amelia, 801 00:38:25,003 --> 00:38:27,839 met JD in August of 1990. 802 00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:30,542 One month later, her son decided to sell his car 803 00:38:30,642 --> 00:38:32,578 and buy a pickup truck. 804 00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:37,282 JD saw his opening and quickly talked his way into the deal. 805 00:38:37,383 --> 00:38:40,251 JD told Amelia that he could sell the car 806 00:38:40,352 --> 00:38:42,621 and, for an additional $4,000, could make 807 00:38:42,721 --> 00:38:45,223 a great buy on a new pickup. 808 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:46,992 So you got the title? 809 00:38:47,092 --> 00:38:47,926 We do. 810 00:38:48,026 --> 00:38:49,961 It's all signed and taken care of. 811 00:38:50,061 --> 00:38:51,162 OK. 812 00:38:51,262 --> 00:38:52,364 OK, you both signed it over to me. 813 00:38:52,464 --> 00:38:53,264 That's good. 814 00:38:53,365 --> 00:38:55,634 And $4,000 cash? 815 00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:56,535 You got it. 816 00:38:56,635 --> 00:38:57,803 That's all we need. 817 00:38:57,903 --> 00:39:00,038 AMELIA: I told him I had some questions about the car 818 00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:02,608 and was feeling anxious about the whole situation 819 00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:05,844 since I didn't know him very well. 820 00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:08,780 He was saying to me, how can I possibly doubt him? 821 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,051 Here he is, this honest, caring, wonderful person. 822 00:39:13,151 --> 00:39:14,586 At some point in the conversation, 823 00:39:14,686 --> 00:39:18,356 I had said something to the effect that for all I knew, 824 00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:20,358 he could be a con artist. 825 00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:23,261 And his immediate response was, Amelia, you could 826 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,197 be a con artist for all I know. 827 00:39:26,297 --> 00:39:28,400 The end result was that we ended up 828 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,603 with no truck and no money and no Mustang 829 00:39:31,703 --> 00:39:34,305 at the end the situation. 830 00:39:34,406 --> 00:39:35,707 And that's how it got started. 831 00:39:35,807 --> 00:39:37,976 First, it was a little amount, and then it would get bigger, 832 00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:39,545 and then bigger and bigger. 833 00:39:39,645 --> 00:39:42,313 And eventually, it would get into the tens of thousands 834 00:39:42,414 --> 00:39:43,715 of dollars. 835 00:39:43,815 --> 00:39:46,552 Linda, I need your help on this deal now. 836 00:39:46,652 --> 00:39:48,186 ROBERT STACK: In the case of Linda Weaver, 837 00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,255 it was two months before JD began 838 00:39:50,355 --> 00:39:52,257 to ask for large sums of money. 839 00:39:52,357 --> 00:39:53,158 Isn't that good news? 840 00:39:53,258 --> 00:39:54,059 Yes, that's great. 841 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:55,326 I think that's great. 842 00:39:55,427 --> 00:39:57,663 But it's going to be three weeks before it gets here. 843 00:39:57,763 --> 00:39:59,898 Now, we've got to get this business rolling now. 844 00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:03,201 So what I'm asking for is a small loan-- $15,000 845 00:40:03,301 --> 00:40:04,102 to get this done. 846 00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:06,505 I don't have $15,000. 847 00:40:06,605 --> 00:40:08,239 Do it for you and me. 848 00:40:11,009 --> 00:40:13,712 Now, you know the answer. 849 00:40:13,812 --> 00:40:17,082 You going to do this for us? 850 00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:18,416 OK. 851 00:40:18,517 --> 00:40:19,918 Good girl. 852 00:40:20,018 --> 00:40:21,453 LINDA WEAVER: It happened so fast 853 00:40:21,553 --> 00:40:24,856 that I didn't realize what was coming across until afterwards. 854 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:26,958 I'm going, oh, my god. 855 00:40:27,058 --> 00:40:27,993 What is going on? 856 00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:29,427 He was so good. 857 00:40:29,528 --> 00:40:30,596 He hit and ran. 858 00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:33,364 And he's doing it to all his victims. 859 00:40:33,465 --> 00:40:34,733 ROBERT STACK: Three months after he 860 00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:38,436 met Peggy Peterson, JD played out the same scene with her. 861 00:40:38,537 --> 00:40:39,337 Listen, dear. 862 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:40,572 I need to-- 863 00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:42,808 I need to borrow some money from you to, you know, 864 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:45,544 help me have some cash for the-- for the trip. 865 00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:47,579 I need about $9,600. 866 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:48,480 Oh, man. 867 00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:49,781 That's a lot of money, JD. 868 00:40:49,881 --> 00:40:52,017 Well, I know it seems like it. 869 00:40:52,117 --> 00:40:55,253 But that $9,600 is chili beans compared to what my assets are. 870 00:40:55,353 --> 00:40:56,555 PEGGY PETERSON: His rationale was 871 00:40:56,655 --> 00:40:58,557 always that, well, I'm going to pay you back next week. 872 00:40:58,657 --> 00:41:00,158 I'll have my money next week. 873 00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:02,327 I'll pay you right back. 874 00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,396 PEGGY PETERSON: That night, I was just sleeping soundly. 875 00:41:05,497 --> 00:41:06,932 I was sleeping like a brick. 876 00:41:07,032 --> 00:41:11,036 And at 2:30 in the morning, I just sat bolt upright in bed 877 00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:13,972 like God had slapped me upside the head with a 2 by 4 878 00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,142 and realized what had happened to me. 879 00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:20,245 I knew Jerry for 11 months. 880 00:41:20,345 --> 00:41:23,348 During that period of time, he, in one way or another, 881 00:41:23,448 --> 00:41:26,785 extorted over $70,000. 882 00:41:26,885 --> 00:41:28,587 ROBERT STACK: In Amelia's case, JD 883 00:41:28,687 --> 00:41:32,257 also waited three months before he went for the big money. 884 00:41:32,357 --> 00:41:35,527 I don't know about taking the equity out on my home. 885 00:41:35,627 --> 00:41:39,097 Well, Amelia, it would only be a short term. 886 00:41:39,197 --> 00:41:41,900 Now, if it'd make you feel more comfortable, 887 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,069 I've got a promissory note. 888 00:41:44,169 --> 00:41:45,403 A promissory note? 889 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:46,738 Yes. 890 00:41:46,838 --> 00:41:50,041 It's a legally-binding contract that ensures you that I'll 891 00:41:50,141 --> 00:41:52,510 pay you back the exact sum. 892 00:41:52,611 --> 00:41:54,179 KATHY SASAK: The problem with the promissory notes 893 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:56,682 was that JD Method would fill out 894 00:41:56,782 --> 00:41:59,050 the promissory note backwards. 895 00:41:59,150 --> 00:42:03,088 He would make himself the payee, and he would make the victim 896 00:42:03,188 --> 00:42:06,692 the maker so that when you read the promissory note, 897 00:42:06,792 --> 00:42:10,796 it said that she owed him $30,000, $40,000, 898 00:42:10,896 --> 00:42:12,664 whatever the amount that was involved 899 00:42:12,764 --> 00:42:14,700 with that particular victim. 900 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,636 By looking at that timeline, what you see 901 00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:21,773 is that, as Mr. Method was starting a relationship, 902 00:42:21,873 --> 00:42:23,875 he would either be in the middle or the end 903 00:42:23,975 --> 00:42:26,578 of another relationship. 904 00:42:26,678 --> 00:42:28,747 I don't believe JD Method knows 905 00:42:28,847 --> 00:42:31,817 the difference between truth and reality anymore. 906 00:42:31,917 --> 00:42:38,389 I think that he has built his life on lies for so long 907 00:42:38,489 --> 00:42:41,426 that he doesn't even know the truth anymore. 908 00:42:41,526 --> 00:42:45,764 I think he probably believes all of the glop 909 00:42:45,864 --> 00:42:49,567 that he shovels off on women. 910 00:42:49,668 --> 00:42:50,969 ROBERT STACK: Update. 911 00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,973 On September 1, 1992, JD Method was apprehended in Beaverton, 912 00:42:55,073 --> 00:42:58,476 Oregon, after police were contacted by a woman who lost 913 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,647 $2,000 to a man she met through a personals ad 914 00:43:01,747 --> 00:43:04,315 in the newspaper. 915 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:06,384 Police staked out the man's home in Beaverton, 916 00:43:06,484 --> 00:43:08,620 then arrested him when he returned. 917 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,257 He was later identified as JD Method. 918 00:43:12,357 --> 00:43:14,225 Inside Method's house, authorities 919 00:43:14,325 --> 00:43:16,594 seized several briefcases and a steamer trunk 920 00:43:16,695 --> 00:43:18,596 containing papers and documents which 921 00:43:18,697 --> 00:43:21,266 may have been used by Method to perpetrate his scams. 922 00:43:39,417 --> 00:43:43,054 Next week, haunting tales in honor of Halloween. 923 00:43:43,154 --> 00:43:44,856 During Prohibition, a dramatic love 924 00:43:44,956 --> 00:43:48,927 triangle ended in tragedy for a beautiful lady dressed in blue. 925 00:43:49,027 --> 00:43:50,996 Some say her ghost still haunts the spot 926 00:43:51,096 --> 00:43:53,799 where she and her lover met. 927 00:43:53,899 --> 00:43:55,867 And in Wilmington, California, many 928 00:43:55,967 --> 00:43:57,803 believe the spirits of the Civil War 929 00:43:57,903 --> 00:44:02,073 still roam at Drum Barracks Museum. 930 00:44:02,173 --> 00:44:04,175 Join me next time. 931 00:44:04,275 --> 00:44:07,512 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery. 932 00:44:07,612 --> 00:44:11,449 [music playing] 72207

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