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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:42,019 Why do these Hitchcock films stand up well? 2 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:43,854 They don't look old fashioned. 3 00:01:45,564 --> 00:01:47,862 Well, I don't know the answer. 4 00:01:59,286 --> 00:02:02,415 That's true, yes. 5 00:02:14,426 --> 00:02:16,554 My dad was a big movie buff, 6 00:02:16,637 --> 00:02:20,062 and it was one of the books that was in his library. 7 00:02:24,269 --> 00:02:26,067 From the time I was about seven years old, 8 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:27,819 he knew I wanted to make movies, 9 00:02:27,898 --> 00:02:29,946 so he recommended it to me. 10 00:02:31,276 --> 00:02:33,495 And I remember picking over it, 11 00:02:33,570 --> 00:02:36,073 and I must've read it... Sections of it. 12 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:40,536 Like, there's the Oskar Homolka sequence from Sabotage. 13 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:44,757 Where it sort of lays out all of the cutting pattern. 14 00:02:49,378 --> 00:02:51,756 It's not even a book anymore, 15 00:02:51,838 --> 00:02:54,387 it's like a stack of papers because it was a... 16 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:57,561 You know, I had a paperback and it's just... 17 00:02:57,636 --> 00:02:59,889 You know, it's got a rubber band around it. 18 00:03:01,014 --> 00:03:03,893 In 1966, Frangois Truffaut 19 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:07,354 published one of the few indispensable books on movies. 20 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:12,364 A series of conversations with Alfred Hitchcock about his career, 21 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:13,443 title by title. 22 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:22,419 It was a window into the world of cinema that I hadn't had before, 23 00:03:22,494 --> 00:03:27,716 because it was a director simultaneously talking about his own work, 24 00:03:27,791 --> 00:03:30,670 but doing so in a way that was utterly unpretentious 25 00:03:30,752 --> 00:03:32,345 and had no pomposity. 26 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:40,642 There was starting to be 27 00:03:40,721 --> 00:03:45,602 these kind of erudite conversations about the art form. 28 00:03:45,976 --> 00:03:49,276 But Truffaut was the first one where you really 29 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:55,410 felt that, you know, they're talking about the craft of it. 30 00:03:57,821 --> 00:04:00,199 That was incredibly fascinating to me 31 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:04,753 that these two people from very different worlds 32 00:04:04,828 --> 00:04:06,501 who were both doing the same job, 33 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:08,833 how they would talk about things. 34 00:04:21,970 --> 00:04:25,645 I think it conclusively changed 35 00:04:25,724 --> 00:04:27,852 people's opinions about Hitchcock 36 00:04:28,268 --> 00:04:31,863 and so Hitchcock began to be taken much more seriously. 37 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:36,200 At that time, the general consensus 38 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:41,077 and climate was a bullying, as usual, 39 00:04:42,073 --> 00:04:45,577 by the establishment as to what serious cinema is. 40 00:04:47,412 --> 00:04:50,291 So it was really revolutionary. 41 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:52,171 Based on what the Truffaut-Hitchcock book was, 42 00:04:52,250 --> 00:04:55,880 we became radicalized as moviemakers. 43 00:04:57,047 --> 00:04:58,344 It was almost as if somebody had taken 44 00:04:58,423 --> 00:04:59,800 a weight off our shoulders and said, 45 00:04:59,883 --> 00:05:01,556 "Yes, we can embrace this, we could go." 46 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:08,479 In 1962, Hitchcock was 63 years old, 47 00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:14,565 a household name in television, and a virtual franchise unto himself. 48 00:05:19,027 --> 00:05:22,998 He had already been known for many years as the "master of suspense," 49 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:27,294 and he had scared the wits out of audiences all over the world with Psycho, 50 00:05:27,994 --> 00:05:31,464 and in the process, upended our idea of what a movie was. 51 00:05:32,082 --> 00:05:37,589 And in this house, the most dire, horrible event took place. 52 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:40,719 Let's go inside. 53 00:05:41,049 --> 00:05:44,349 He had just completed his 40th feature, The Birds. 54 00:05:51,434 --> 00:05:55,780 Truffaut, half Hitchcock's age, had made only three features, 55 00:05:56,022 --> 00:06:00,368 but he was already an internationally renowned and acclaimed filmmaker. 56 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:14,207 Truffaut wrote Hitchcock a letter. 57 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:17,051 He proposed a series of in-depth discussions 58 00:06:17,127 --> 00:06:20,381 of Hitchcock's entire body of work in movies. 59 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:56,128 For Truffaut, the book on Hitchcock 60 00:06:56,207 --> 00:06:59,586 was every bit as important as one of his own films, 61 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:03,219 and it required just as much time and preparation. 62 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,101 The meeting was documented by the great photographer Philippe Halsman. 63 00:07:51,638 --> 00:07:54,517 Hitchcock and Truffaut. 64 00:07:54,599 --> 00:07:57,819 They were from different generations and different cultures, 65 00:07:57,894 --> 00:08:00,943 and they had different approaches to their work. 66 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:05,152 But both men lived for, and through, the cinema. 67 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:14,081 My mind is strictly visual. 68 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:19,504 Hitchcock was born with the movies. 69 00:08:23,712 --> 00:08:27,091 There's no such thing as a face, 70 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:30,052 it's nonexistent until the light hits it. 71 00:08:33,388 --> 00:08:35,857 There was no such thing as a line, 72 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:38,776 it's just light and shade. 73 00:08:39,936 --> 00:08:44,191 The function of pure cinema, as we well know, 74 00:08:44,274 --> 00:08:47,869 is the placing of two or three pieces of film together 75 00:08:47,944 --> 00:08:49,821 to create a single idea. 76 00:08:57,287 --> 00:08:59,585 Hitchcock was trained as an engineer, 77 00:09:00,665 --> 00:09:02,508 then moved into advertising. 78 00:09:03,418 --> 00:09:05,466 Through that, I went into the designing 79 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:06,922 of what were, 80 00:09:07,005 --> 00:09:11,226 in those days of silent films, the art title. 81 00:09:12,635 --> 00:09:15,855 And then art direction, script writing, and production duties. 82 00:09:19,476 --> 00:09:22,480 They said, "How would you like to direct a picture?" 83 00:09:22,562 --> 00:09:25,361 And I said, "I've never thought about it." 84 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,192 I was 23. 85 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:31,700 My wife was to be my assistant. 86 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:35,242 We're not married yet, 87 00:09:35,325 --> 00:09:37,874 but we're not living in sin either. 88 00:09:43,833 --> 00:09:46,086 Hitchcock had many close collaborators, 89 00:09:46,169 --> 00:09:49,343 but none of them was closer than Alma Reville. 90 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:54,765 She was credited on some films, uncredited on many others, 91 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:58,894 but Hitchcock consulted his wife on every movie he ever made. 92 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:08,742 The Lodger was the first time I'd exercised any style. 93 00:10:22,497 --> 00:10:24,374 He is making floors out of glass 94 00:10:24,457 --> 00:10:28,803 so that he can show people walking in circles in the apartment above. 95 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:33,179 He's playing with all those things 96 00:10:33,258 --> 00:10:36,637 that make cinema fun 97 00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:40,565 and magic, the tricks of it. 98 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:45,479 He was also conceptual 99 00:10:45,562 --> 00:10:47,405 with the way he approached many of these films. 100 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:52,531 This movie, I have an idea for a way that I've never worked before. 101 00:10:58,408 --> 00:11:01,878 This is somebody whose mind is racing, filled with ideas 102 00:11:01,953 --> 00:11:04,627 and that's why, you know, we refer to him all the time. 103 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,465 Do you realize the squad van will be here any moment? 104 00:11:09,586 --> 00:11:11,429 No, really! Oh, my God, I'm terribly frightened. 105 00:11:11,546 --> 00:11:14,015 Why? Have you been a bad woman or something? 106 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:15,808 Well, not just bad, but... 107 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:17,181 But you've slept with men? 108 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:18,432 Oh, no! 109 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:19,763 WOMAN; Knife. 110 00:11:19,846 --> 00:11:21,098 He directed the first British talkie. 111 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:23,354 And if you use a penknife! Or a pocketknife! 112 00:11:23,433 --> 00:11:25,606 Alice, cut us a bit of bread, will you? 113 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:27,938 I mean, in Chelsea you mustn't use a knife! 114 00:11:29,439 --> 00:11:32,113 And then, in 1934, 115 00:11:32,275 --> 00:11:35,370 he made the first 100 % Hitchcock picture. 116 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:38,289 St. Moritz was the beginning 117 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:40,366 of The Man Who Knew Too Much. 118 00:11:43,244 --> 00:11:45,588 It was the place of our honeymoon. 119 00:12:16,611 --> 00:12:18,989 And of course, Hollywood beckoned. 120 00:12:22,325 --> 00:12:26,046 I wasn't attracted to Hollywood as a place. 121 00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:29,916 That had no interest, 122 00:12:29,999 --> 00:12:33,799 what had interest for me was getting inside that studio. 123 00:12:54,357 --> 00:12:57,736 Hitchcock did some of his best work in the '40s. 124 00:13:05,535 --> 00:13:07,708 But in the '50s, he soared. 125 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:10,711 I have a murder on my conscience, but it's not my murder. 126 00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:14,419 And curiosity of James Stewart, 127 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:19,053 in this story of a romance shadowed by the terror of a horrifying secret. 128 00:13:24,762 --> 00:13:28,266 Look, John, hold them. 129 00:13:28,725 --> 00:13:29,851 Diamonds. 130 00:13:41,362 --> 00:13:43,160 There was a spell that was cast with those films 131 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:44,832 in the '50s and the '60s. 132 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:51,457 And it's a special blessed time for me 133 00:13:51,539 --> 00:13:53,587 because I saw them as they came out. 134 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:05,136 Truffaut began as a critic in the early '50s. 135 00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:10,608 He started at the great French film magazine, Gamers du Unéma. 136 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:15,439 For the writers at Cahiers, soon to become the filmmakers of the Nouvelle Vague, 137 00:14:15,897 --> 00:14:19,777 Hitchcock's greatness as an artist was self-evident. 138 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:35,383 Before they made their own movies, 139 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:38,337 the Cahiers critics erected a new pantheon of cinema- 140 00:14:39,295 --> 00:14:41,343 The directors who were the true artists, 141 00:14:41,964 --> 00:14:45,810 the authors who wrote with the camera, the auteurs. 142 00:15:47,196 --> 00:15:51,201 Being an individual artist meant self-exposure, 143 00:15:51,868 --> 00:15:54,291 pouring all of yourself into your movie, 144 00:15:54,996 --> 00:15:58,421 all of your fears and obsessions and fetishes, 145 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:01,002 just like Hitchcock did. 146 00:16:04,881 --> 00:16:06,929 All together! Pull! 147 00:16:31,532 --> 00:16:35,253 Hitchcock often told the story of being sent to the police station as a boy, 148 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:39,299 where he was locked up for a few minutes as a symbolic punishment. 149 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:43,803 He said that it led to a lifelong fear of the police. 150 00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:53,596 But Truffaut really was locked up. 151 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:57,191 He was delivered to the police by his own father, 152 00:16:58,434 --> 00:17:00,482 and then sent to a juvenile detention center, 153 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:11,952 an episode he put into his autobiographical first feature. 154 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,809 Truffaut had a fierce attachment to freedom. 155 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:33,602 It's there in all of his films. 156 00:17:34,011 --> 00:17:38,983 And it sent him in search of another father, a father who would liberate him. 157 00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:42,903 He found the great film critic Andre' Bazin, 158 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:47,485 who virtually adopted Truffaut and brought him to Gamers du Unéma. 159 00:17:51,862 --> 00:17:53,535 He found Jean Renoir, 160 00:17:54,115 --> 00:17:55,913 and Roberto Rossellini. 161 00:17:59,745 --> 00:18:02,373 And he found Alfred Hitchcock. 162 00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:05,380 Hitchcock had freed Truffaut as an artist, 163 00:18:05,459 --> 00:18:08,588 and Truffaut wanted to reciprocate by freeing Hitchcock 164 00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:11,550 from his reputation as a light entertainer. 165 00:18:12,925 --> 00:18:16,179 And that's the basis on which they started their conversation. 166 00:18:21,726 --> 00:18:25,151 Well, let me check with him and see if he's running yet. 167 00:18:28,274 --> 00:18:29,571 You started? 168 00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:30,693 You're up? 169 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:35,206 All right, you're running now, huh? Okay, fine. 170 00:18:35,823 --> 00:18:37,370 We are now on the air. 171 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:48,969 WOMAN". Your type of picture? 172 00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:59,310 People get enjoyment but pretend not to be fooled. 173 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,770 They sulk, they begrudge... 174 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,693 They give their pleasure grudgingly. 175 00:19:04,769 --> 00:19:06,021 HYYCHCOCK'. Yes. Well... 176 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:08,652 When I say pleasure, I don't mean amusement. I mean their enjoyment. 177 00:19:08,731 --> 00:19:10,859 They are obviously... 178 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:13,410 They're going to sit there and say, "Show me!" 179 00:19:17,531 --> 00:19:20,831 They expect to anticipate- "I know what's coming next-" 180 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:23,083 I have to say, "Do you?" 181 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:39,933 Yes, but you see, to me, 182 00:19:41,263 --> 00:19:45,143 plausibility for the sake of plausibility 183 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:48,025 does not help, you know. 184 00:20:10,418 --> 00:20:15,140 I have a favorite little saying to myself, "Logic is dull." 185 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:25,896 Is it possible now for us to define suspense? 186 00:20:25,975 --> 00:20:29,900 That is to say, are there many forms of suspense? 187 00:20:31,605 --> 00:20:34,575 People believe, uh, somewhat naively... 188 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:40,119 ...that suspense is when one is afraid. Which is wrong. 189 00:20:40,197 --> 00:20:44,247 No, no. In the film Easy Virtue... 190 00:20:45,828 --> 00:20:48,832 ...a young man was proposing to this woman. 191 00:20:50,291 --> 00:20:53,170 She wouldn't give an answer, 192 00:20:53,294 --> 00:20:57,845 she said, "I'll call you up when I get back around 12:00." 193 00:21:03,888 --> 00:21:09,395 And all I showed was the operator on this telephone switchboard. 194 00:21:13,689 --> 00:21:16,112 That girl is in suspense! 195 00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:21,873 And she was relieved at the end, 196 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:23,870 so that the suspense was over. 197 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:27,578 The woman said, "Yes." 198 00:21:27,661 --> 00:21:30,835 The suspense doesn't always have fear in it. 199 00:21:54,021 --> 00:21:55,318 He talks about things, 200 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:59,573 contextualizing what the work of a director truly is 201 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:03,410 at its most fundamental and most simple. 202 00:22:07,284 --> 00:22:10,413 Emotionally, the size of the image... 203 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,965 is very important. 204 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:15,634 You're dealing with space. 205 00:22:18,128 --> 00:22:21,257 You may need space and use it dramatically. 206 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:29,315 When the girl shrank back on the sofa, 207 00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:35,025 I kept the camera back and used the space 208 00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:40,861 to indicate the nothingness from which she was shrinking. 209 00:22:47,658 --> 00:22:51,538 If you have some kind of understanding 210 00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:54,840 of color and design and light... 211 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:58,002 Directing is really three things. 212 00:22:58,794 --> 00:23:02,048 You're editing behavior over time, 213 00:23:02,131 --> 00:23:06,056 and then controlling moments that should be really fast 214 00:23:06,135 --> 00:23:08,229 and making them slow, 215 00:23:08,304 --> 00:23:11,353 and moments that should be really slow and making them fast. 216 00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:13,651 It is indeed a solemn occasion. 217 00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,070 I switch you over to our microphone... 218 00:23:20,316 --> 00:23:23,240 Yes. That's what film is for. 219 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:27,994 To either contract time... 220 00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:31,369 ...or extend it. Whatever you wish. 221 00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:43,134 Hitchcock, in a way, was the master, 222 00:23:43,213 --> 00:23:46,717 let's say sculptor of moments in time 223 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,894 to take you through a sequence 224 00:23:48,969 --> 00:23:51,438 or to direct your perception in a way 225 00:23:51,513 --> 00:23:54,016 where he could elongate time or telescope it. 226 00:23:55,768 --> 00:23:59,272 Well, there are moments when you have to stop time. 227 00:24:13,369 --> 00:24:16,748 Describe to me in detail what the action was. 228 00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:24,672 Cutting to the mother before the boy saw her? 229 00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:29,051 She was not looking at the child yet. 230 00:24:33,013 --> 00:24:36,142 And then you show the mother who saw them walking away. 231 00:24:38,352 --> 00:24:42,357 I'm asking from a story point of view, what was the intention? 232 00:24:50,572 --> 00:24:53,075 I would have hoped that there was nothing spoken. 233 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,624 The thing I think about the most with Hitchcock is 234 00:25:42,041 --> 00:25:46,638 the visuals are so graphic and precise. 235 00:25:47,463 --> 00:25:49,932 There is a lot to learn from that. 236 00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:56,388 He said, "When I'm on the set, I'm not on the set. 237 00:25:56,472 --> 00:25:58,600 "I'm watching it on the screen." 238 00:25:59,641 --> 00:26:01,234 That's the key to Hitchcock, in a way. 239 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:03,187 I mean, he sees the picture in his head. 240 00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:12,238 I imagine he just sat alone and these images came to him 241 00:26:12,321 --> 00:26:13,664 and hejust never questioned it. 242 00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:31,883 You don't feel like he's ever not confident in every shot. 243 00:26:34,968 --> 00:26:37,016 That's one guy you don't really question. 244 00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:39,853 It always works within his world, kind of perfectly. 245 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:54,264 Lthoughtyou didn't like to cook. 246 00:27:54,882 --> 00:27:56,555 No, I don't like to cook. 247 00:28:19,615 --> 00:28:21,367 I'd be delighted. 248 00:28:22,492 --> 00:28:24,711 Even if they go all the way across the room, 249 00:28:24,786 --> 00:28:26,709 he is going to move with them in the kiss 250 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:27,880 and the actors are going to say, 251 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:29,674 "This is the most bizarre thing, 252 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,377 "we are walking while we are kissing." 253 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:34,505 But he knows how it fits in the frame 254 00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:37,053 and he knows that the tension won't be broken 255 00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:40,181 and, um, the spell won't be broken. 256 00:28:41,595 --> 00:28:43,347 This is a very strange love affair. 257 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:45,103 Why? 258 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:49,815 Maybe the fact that you don't love me. 259 00:28:50,312 --> 00:28:51,313 Hello? 260 00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:55,572 I was giving the public the great privilege 261 00:28:55,651 --> 00:28:59,827 of embracing Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman together. 262 00:29:01,615 --> 00:29:06,837 It was a kind of temporary ménage é trois. 263 00:29:08,455 --> 00:29:11,208 And the actors hated doing it. 264 00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:14,633 They felt dreadfully uncomfortable- 265 00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:18,306 ...in the manner in which they had to cling to each other. 266 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:21,597 And I said, "Well, I don't care how you feel, 267 00:29:21,677 --> 00:29:24,146 "I only know what it's gonna look like on the screen." 268 00:29:29,309 --> 00:29:34,361 He obviously had contentious relationships, in some cases, with actors. 269 00:29:34,439 --> 00:29:37,192 You know, he definitely solicited movie stars. 270 00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:40,241 You know, there is no doubt in reading the book 271 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,290 that he is very cognizant of the value 272 00:29:43,365 --> 00:29:45,788 of faces that people want to see. 273 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:51,165 And sometimes, the complications that come with that baggage. 274 00:29:51,665 --> 00:29:55,670 Montgomery Clift is transcendent in I Confess. He's great. 275 00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,172 But I don't think Hitchcock cared 276 00:29:58,255 --> 00:30:00,974 if they had a good time or not or how they felt about him. 277 00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:05,225 Obviously, that wasn't a huge concern of his. 278 00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:10,018 Sometimes you need a look to convey something. 279 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,562 ...or to look at something and react. 280 00:30:15,689 --> 00:30:18,238 I had a conflict with Clift. 281 00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:24,449 I said, "Monty, I want you to look up at the hotel." 282 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:30,792 Uh, so he said to me, "I don't know whether I would look up to the hotel." 283 00:30:32,414 --> 00:30:33,506 I said, "Why not?" 284 00:30:33,582 --> 00:30:37,428 He said, "I may be occupied by the people below." 285 00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:44,351 I said, "I want you to look up to the hotel windows 286 00:30:44,426 --> 00:30:45,848 "and please do so." 287 00:30:46,178 --> 00:30:49,899 I was telling the audience across the street is the hotel. 288 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,602 So an actor is gonna try and interfere with me, 289 00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:56,438 organizing my geography. 290 00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:59,069 That's why all actors are cattle. 291 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:05,615 With Hitchcock you get a sense of a kind of a self-contained psychology 292 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:07,870 that we were gonna explore his obsessions 293 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:09,701 and what he was interested in. 294 00:31:09,785 --> 00:31:11,628 I think his collaboration there 295 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:13,501 didn't go much farther than that. 296 00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:18,799 Acting, it's a great part of movie making 297 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:21,592 but it's not the only part of movie making. 298 00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:25,471 And I think Hitchcock was one of the first people to say 299 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:28,474 there is a structure to this language. 300 00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:44,240 He probably did more for the psychological underpinnings 301 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,411 of characterization 302 00:31:45,487 --> 00:31:47,956 in motion pictures than anyone. 303 00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:58,251 And on top of it, wouldn't allow any of his actors 304 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,883 to explore that kind of behavior on set. 305 00:32:01,962 --> 00:32:06,217 It was the rigor of dramatizing it in narrative terms, 306 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:09,724 and then not allowing for it to, like, spill over the edge of the bucket. 307 00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:15,475 SCORSESE". Coming out of World War H, 308 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,688 which is the worst recorded war in history. 309 00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:22,616 Destruction of civilization, 310 00:32:22,691 --> 00:32:26,036 no peace or comfort from religion. 311 00:32:27,362 --> 00:32:29,364 The paranoia, the anxiety. 312 00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:33,418 Who are we? What are we? 313 00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:39,295 Post-World VVar ll, there was a rupture, a change. 314 00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:43,550 Um, particularly in the nature of what a performance 315 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,552 or a persona onscreen would be. 316 00:32:47,549 --> 00:32:50,473 And that is that the actor is the main instrument really. 317 00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:56,024 And this is all expressed I think in Brando, James Dean, and Clift. 318 00:32:56,725 --> 00:32:59,774 Alfred Hitchcock was able to get the soul of the actors on screen, 319 00:32:59,853 --> 00:33:03,232 whether it's Cary Grant, Eva Marie Saint, Grace Kelly, Jimmy Stewart. 320 00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:06,531 But it comes of another tradition. 321 00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:14,080 I'd love to see De Niro, Pacino, Dustin Hoffman. 322 00:33:14,743 --> 00:33:18,498 To see that school of actor, 323 00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:24,587 you know, try to flourish under the iron umbrella of 324 00:33:25,128 --> 00:33:29,133 this is what this next three and a half seconds is about. 325 00:33:33,803 --> 00:33:36,352 I would like to ask you. 326 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:38,354 Do you feel it's too much trouble 327 00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,609 having to direct actors in their acting? 328 00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:47,575 What I'd like is an intermediary formula. 329 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:54,162 That is to say, to speak with an actor the evening after dinner, 330 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:58,795 and then create the dialogue in the night 331 00:33:58,870 --> 00:34:00,747 with the words which he himself has been using 332 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:02,924 from his own vocabulary. 333 00:34:02,999 --> 00:34:06,173 Yes. Will that mean you have to write overnight? 334 00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:30,243 Alive perhaps, but which are very dangerous for the curve... 335 00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:32,571 For the shape, the shape of the picture. 336 00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:41,581 I often am troubled as to whether! Cling to the, 337 00:34:41,663 --> 00:34:44,883 what I call the rising curve-shape of a story 338 00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:48,841 ...and whether I shouldn't experiment more 339 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,925 with a looser form of narrative. 340 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:56,511 Sometimes it's very hard- - - 341 00:34:56,636 --> 00:35:01,437 ...because if you work for character direct, 342 00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:04,144 they'll take you along where they want to go. 343 00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:07,276 And I'm like the old lady with the boy scouts. 344 00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:08,652 I don't want to do go that way. 345 00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:14,700 And this has always been a conflict with me. 346 00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,209 It seems to me he finds material 347 00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,881 that he can kind of, you know, 348 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:26,503 it's an applied science. 349 00:35:26,583 --> 00:35:32,056 He can sort of apply the Hitchcock thing to this story. 350 00:35:32,714 --> 00:35:36,514 By now I have my series of linear plot devices 351 00:35:36,593 --> 00:35:38,311 leading to a fall from a high place. 352 00:35:45,685 --> 00:35:47,528 Quite obviously, I'm, uh... 353 00:35:48,897 --> 00:35:52,822 I suppose like any artist who paints or writes, 354 00:35:52,901 --> 00:35:56,280 I'm limited to a certain field, you know. 355 00:36:33,358 --> 00:36:37,864 I went high because I didn't want to spend a lot of footage 356 00:36:37,946 --> 00:36:40,699 on people getting out hoses... 357 00:36:40,782 --> 00:36:42,409 ...and starting to put out a fire. 358 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,919 If you play it a long way away, 359 00:36:48,998 --> 00:36:50,966 you aren't committed to any detail. 360 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:55,047 Ltwasn'tjust, um, simply to show the whole town 361 00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:56,632 and how the birds are coming in. 362 00:36:56,715 --> 00:37:01,391 It took on another kind of apocalyptic, religious feel. 363 00:37:01,678 --> 00:37:03,305 It was omniscient. 364 00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:07,021 It's the cleansing of the Earth. 365 00:37:07,434 --> 00:37:10,904 Whose point of view is it when you cut to above everything? 366 00:37:10,979 --> 00:37:13,698 God's point of view? Are we all being judged from above? 367 00:37:13,773 --> 00:37:15,446 You know, that kind of suggests that. 368 00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:23,950 Where are those papers now, exactly? 369 00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:25,911 For me that angle is always something 370 00:37:25,994 --> 00:37:28,668 that has a kind of religious element to it. 371 00:37:36,463 --> 00:37:38,340 Go off the record. 372 00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:43,478 You know, you have Martin Balsam going up the stairs, right? 373 00:37:43,553 --> 00:37:45,351 And that's so deliberately slow, 374 00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:47,398 you just know he's gonna get it, 375 00:37:47,474 --> 00:37:49,897 but you don't expect that high angle. 376 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,366 There's something omniscient about it that's kind of frightening. 377 00:38:06,326 --> 00:38:07,669 Yes. 378 00:38:29,891 --> 00:38:33,065 Everyone always has something to feel guilty about. 379 00:38:33,728 --> 00:38:35,571 They're asking, "Did you ever hear of topaz?" 380 00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:38,150 Colonel Kusenov, does the word "topaz" mean anything to you? 381 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,327 It cuts to the defector 382 00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:44,121 and the camera's sort of up above him a little bit. 383 00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:46,245 And you see his eye shift. 384 00:38:46,574 --> 00:38:49,418 The eye is not covered. That means the angle had to just be right. 385 00:38:51,371 --> 00:38:54,295 Now, you know he's lying, it's that poem. 386 00:38:54,874 --> 00:38:58,469 You may leave the religion, but the Hound of Heaven is always there. 387 00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:04,392 That infuses everything, the whole thought process 388 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:05,935 and the storytelling process. 389 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:12,818 And continually turn our hearts from wickedness, 390 00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:17,898 and from worldly things unto thee... 391 00:39:44,799 --> 00:39:46,642 Over the years, I keep revisiting it 392 00:39:46,718 --> 00:39:48,641 by watching it, watching it over and over again. 393 00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:54,226 This is the average man, decent man I should say. 394 00:39:55,143 --> 00:39:57,566 Family, kids... Uh, suddenly picked up. 395 00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,148 Your name Chris? 396 00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:00,732 You're calling me? 397 00:40:00,815 --> 00:40:02,943 And everything... 398 00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:04,319 Yes, it is. 399 00:40:04,694 --> 00:40:07,322 Everything points to him doing it. 400 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,286 And you know he didn't. 401 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:15,960 One, two, three, four... 402 00:40:18,082 --> 00:40:19,129 You're sure? 403 00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:20,255 Absolutely. 404 00:40:36,059 --> 00:40:37,481 Those extraordinary inserts 405 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,484 where Henry Fonda's just sitting on the bunk, 406 00:40:41,022 --> 00:40:42,740 he looks at the cell around him. 407 00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:45,614 And it cuts to different sections of the cell. 408 00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:49,701 What makes you feel oppressed? 409 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,079 The lock on the door, but from what angle? 410 00:40:53,076 --> 00:40:55,374 Is it really his point of view? 411 00:40:56,037 --> 00:40:57,380 All these things are remarkable, I think. 412 00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:07,514 Yes, that's right. 413 00:41:58,808 --> 00:42:00,276 Not a lot, no. 414 00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:06,274 One senses in your work the importance of dreams. 415 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:08,359 Daydreams, probably. 416 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,629 Well, that's probably me within myself. 417 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:31,473 Look. 418 00:42:35,303 --> 00:42:36,976 I think it occurs 419 00:42:37,055 --> 00:42:41,276 because I am never satisfied with the ordinary. 420 00:42:42,435 --> 00:42:45,689 I can't do well with the ordinary. 421 00:43:03,498 --> 00:43:07,799 Hitchcock keeps referring to these, sort of, fetish objects. 422 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,766 Keys and handcuffs and ropes and stuff, 423 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,888 which are kind of dream objects 424 00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:19,598 which have a kind of Freudian weight to them. 425 00:44:45,474 --> 00:44:49,980 Silent pictures are the pure motion picture form. 426 00:44:52,565 --> 00:44:58,698 There was no need to abandon the technique 427 00:44:58,779 --> 00:45:01,658 of the pure motion picture 428 00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:04,953 the way it was abandoned when the sound came in. 429 00:45:13,169 --> 00:45:16,639 The craft was of course developed in silent cinema first. 430 00:45:17,256 --> 00:45:19,224 So the whole idea was, 431 00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:22,179 "How do I tell the story without any dialogue?" 432 00:45:22,803 --> 00:45:25,977 This is a brilliant way to train someone to think visually, 433 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:28,317 and part of the reason the films have 434 00:45:28,392 --> 00:45:30,394 that incredible dream-like feeling. 435 00:45:53,334 --> 00:45:56,304 UNKLATER". So many Hitchcock films would work silently. 436 00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:01,680 You could watch a Hitchcock film without any dialogue or music 437 00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:05,138 and I think you'd still get a really high percentage of it. 438 00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:39,592 They're meant to achieve a realism, 439 00:46:39,672 --> 00:46:41,094 but it's more of a... How should I put this? 440 00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:45,053 Spirit of realism. It isn't objective. 441 00:47:20,296 --> 00:47:22,845 Yes, but you are dealing with the point of view 442 00:47:22,923 --> 00:47:24,596 of an emotional man. 443 00:47:31,807 --> 00:47:36,563 I was intrigued with the effort to create a woman... 444 00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:40,734 ...after another in the image of a dead woman. 445 00:47:50,618 --> 00:47:54,543 If you think that you can hide what your interests are, 446 00:47:54,622 --> 00:47:57,296 what your prurient interests are, 447 00:47:57,375 --> 00:47:59,844 what your noble interests are, 448 00:47:59,919 --> 00:48:02,342 what your fascinations are... 449 00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:05,049 If you think you can hide that in your work 450 00:48:05,132 --> 00:48:07,885 as a film director, you're nuts, you know. 451 00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:10,892 And I think that he was one of the first guys who said, 452 00:48:12,473 --> 00:48:15,898 "I'm gonna go with it." "I'm just going to... 453 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,853 "I'm gonna be... I gotta be me." 454 00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:25,244 And in the case of his best work, 455 00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:30,496 there is a more direct umbilicus to his subconscious. 456 00:48:32,618 --> 00:48:35,838 Certainly I think that is true of Vertigo. 457 00:48:36,288 --> 00:48:39,041 The sex psychological side is that... 458 00:48:40,167 --> 00:48:44,422 ...you have a man creating a sex image, 459 00:48:44,505 --> 00:48:47,429 but he can't go to bed with her 460 00:48:47,508 --> 00:48:52,560 until he's got her back to the thing he wants to go to bed with. 461 00:48:52,721 --> 00:48:55,099 It should be back from your face and pinned at the neck. 462 00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:57,276 I told her that. I told you that. 463 00:48:58,352 --> 00:48:59,478 We tried it. 464 00:48:59,562 --> 00:49:02,691 Or metaphorically indulged 465 00:49:02,773 --> 00:49:05,868 in a form of necrophilia. 466 00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:07,695 That's what it really was. 467 00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:09,030 Please, Judy. 468 00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:16,462 The thing you see that I liked and felt most 469 00:49:16,537 --> 00:49:20,792 when she came back from having her hair made blond 470 00:49:20,875 --> 00:49:22,468 and it wasn't up. 471 00:49:24,545 --> 00:49:30,723 This means she has stripped, but won't take her knickers off. 472 00:49:33,387 --> 00:49:34,639 You see. 473 00:49:34,722 --> 00:49:38,898 She says all right, and she goes into the bath and he is waiting. 474 00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:44,115 He's waiting for the woman to undress, 475 00:49:45,024 --> 00:49:49,370 and come out nude, ready for him- 476 00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:03,714 And while he was looking at that door, he was getting an erection. 477 00:50:04,168 --> 00:50:06,591 We will now tell a story. Shut the machine off. 478 00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:11,138 What I love about Vertigo is just, it's so perverted. 479 00:50:11,217 --> 00:50:13,094 It's just so perverted. 480 00:50:14,094 --> 00:50:17,314 Here, Judy, drink this straight down. Just like medicine. 481 00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:22,103 Why are you doing this? What good will it do? 482 00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:26,236 I've always felt that the most interesting view of Vertigo 483 00:50:26,941 --> 00:50:29,865 would be her story. 484 00:50:31,445 --> 00:50:33,447 The color of your hair. 485 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,453 Judy, please, it can't matter to you! 486 00:50:39,954 --> 00:50:42,173 And it's almost more honest than the guy's point of view. 487 00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:43,465 If... 488 00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:48,671 If I let you change me, will that do it? 489 00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:53,093 I guess taking Scottie's point of view was... 490 00:50:53,259 --> 00:50:54,511 Will you love me? 491 00:50:54,635 --> 00:50:56,228 ...Hitchcock's point of view. 492 00:50:57,805 --> 00:50:59,557 Yes. Fine. 493 00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:05,897 Yes, I enjoyed it, yes. 494 00:51:06,647 --> 00:51:10,368 You know, I had Vera Miles tested and costumed. 495 00:51:10,442 --> 00:51:12,115 We were ready to go with her. 496 00:51:12,194 --> 00:51:14,242 She went pregnant, 497 00:51:14,321 --> 00:51:16,415 and that was going to be the part 498 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:18,083 that I was going to bring her out. 499 00:51:18,158 --> 00:51:19,956 She was under contract to me. 500 00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:21,836 But I lost interest. 501 00:51:21,912 --> 00:51:26,258 I couldn't get the rhythm going again with her. Silly girl. 502 00:51:26,333 --> 00:51:27,755 I don't think he would have been able 503 00:51:27,835 --> 00:51:30,509 to take Vera Miles into that Judy place. 504 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:35,469 Into that real, kind of, a slutty place. 505 00:51:35,884 --> 00:51:39,354 And so I think that he surmounted his restriction in that way. 506 00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:45,361 I saw the film fairly early in my life 507 00:51:45,436 --> 00:51:48,189 as a film person and I saw it through Marty. 508 00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:51,492 It became a lost film, so to speak. 509 00:51:51,567 --> 00:51:53,114 I can tell you that all the filmmakers in the '70s 510 00:51:53,193 --> 00:51:54,661 were trying to find copies of it. 511 00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:56,948 Some people had 16s. 512 00:51:57,031 --> 00:51:58,908 So it became a picture we were looking for. 513 00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:02,495 It was a kind of forbidden document, 514 00:52:02,578 --> 00:52:07,004 a kind of sacred document that only certain insiders had privilege to. 515 00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:08,675 Which is kind of hard to imagine 516 00:52:08,751 --> 00:52:13,097 in today's world of indiscriminate access to virtually everything. 517 00:52:14,214 --> 00:52:17,593 So, the number of people who had seen Vertigo weren't that many. 518 00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:20,054 Hitchcock wasn't talking about it that much 519 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:22,890 because it wasn't very successful. 520 00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:36,912 The hole in the story. 521 00:52:37,488 --> 00:52:40,662 The husband who pushed his wife off the tower. 522 00:52:40,741 --> 00:52:44,871 How did he know that Stewart wasn't going to run up those stairs? 523 00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:47,752 In the case of Vertigo, 524 00:52:47,998 --> 00:52:50,467 the machinations of the plot... 525 00:52:51,335 --> 00:52:52,837 Well, they do work, they function, 526 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,297 and they function rather brilliantly, 527 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:57,304 but the subtext seems to be bubbling up 528 00:52:57,383 --> 00:52:59,260 almost to the point where it's text. 529 00:53:03,555 --> 00:53:06,729 I can't really say that I believe the plot. 530 00:53:07,142 --> 00:53:10,817 And I don't take any of the story seriously. 531 00:53:10,896 --> 00:53:13,240 I mean, as a "realistic story." 532 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:18,579 So the plot is just a line that you could hang things on. 533 00:53:22,491 --> 00:53:24,493 And the things that he hangs on there 534 00:53:24,576 --> 00:53:28,672 are all aspects of, you know, cinema poetry. 535 00:53:33,877 --> 00:53:35,220 And that's a film that I can't really tell 536 00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:38,469 where things start and end. I don't care. 537 00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:41,302 And when he's following her in the streets in the car, 538 00:53:41,385 --> 00:53:42,932 what is he looking for? 539 00:53:44,138 --> 00:53:46,061 What is he looking for? 540 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,352 The frustration is on his face. 541 00:53:50,644 --> 00:53:52,897 And you're like, "Where is this going?" And you realize, 542 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:57,110 "No, that's totally connected to who he is in the film." 543 00:53:58,986 --> 00:54:00,659 The city itself is a character... 544 00:54:02,948 --> 00:54:04,245 The architecture itself. 545 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,630 The mystery of old San Francisco. 546 00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:13,425 That painting... 547 00:54:16,837 --> 00:54:20,637 We cannot see Kim Novak's face looking at that painting. 548 00:54:20,966 --> 00:54:23,139 How important her gaze must be. 549 00:54:24,011 --> 00:54:27,106 But no, it's not, because it's all a ruse. 550 00:54:28,515 --> 00:54:30,438 The connection that Kim Novak has with that painting 551 00:54:30,517 --> 00:54:32,519 is bullshit. Right? 552 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:34,943 The only gaze that matters 553 00:54:35,022 --> 00:54:38,117 is Jimmy Stewart's gaze watching 554 00:54:38,192 --> 00:54:42,538 the curl in the hair and how it's similar to the painting on the wall. 555 00:54:53,791 --> 00:54:55,793 I'm sure he didn't shoot coverage from the front. 556 00:54:55,876 --> 00:54:57,970 Someone like me, I would do that. We're not that good. 557 00:54:58,045 --> 00:55:03,802 We don't understand the power of the image, the way that he did. 558 00:55:03,926 --> 00:55:05,724 I don't want anything. I wanna get out of here. 559 00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:06,975 Judy, do this for me! 560 00:55:07,054 --> 00:55:09,557 This whole business of remaking her. Yes, we get it. 561 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,859 Everyone's talking about the fetishism of it. 562 00:55:11,934 --> 00:55:13,106 I don't like it. 563 00:55:13,185 --> 00:55:14,277 Yeah, we'll take it. 564 00:55:14,353 --> 00:55:15,570 Fine, it's good. 565 00:55:15,646 --> 00:55:17,444 But it's this extraordinary sense of loss 566 00:55:17,523 --> 00:55:19,901 that he's trying to fill that void. 567 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,155 Um, maybe it reaches out to everyone, because of that. 568 00:55:25,405 --> 00:55:27,407 You know. We could bring our own 569 00:55:27,491 --> 00:55:29,084 sense of melancholy or loss to it. 570 00:55:29,868 --> 00:55:32,121 Judy.Judy, I'll tell you this. 571 00:55:32,204 --> 00:55:35,458 These past few days have been the first happy days I've known in a year. 572 00:55:35,541 --> 00:55:36,667 I know. 573 00:55:36,959 --> 00:55:40,259 It's about desire, but we all understand that. 574 00:55:40,629 --> 00:55:42,302 We all understand the idea of desire. 575 00:55:42,422 --> 00:55:44,095 That's part of what makes us us. 576 00:55:59,273 --> 00:56:01,617 I think Kim Novak coming out of the bathroom 577 00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:03,740 is the single greatest moment in the history of movies. 578 00:56:03,819 --> 00:56:06,413 At that moment, everything that Hitchcock was about, 579 00:56:06,488 --> 00:56:10,209 everything that cinema is about, 580 00:56:10,284 --> 00:56:13,709 comes together in the most beautiful way, which is... 581 00:56:15,664 --> 00:56:19,510 Yes, it's a fantasy, but the fantasy is real to him. 582 00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:34,316 That kiss is so extraordinary. 583 00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:39,238 That's the one moment where he gets some kind of fulfillment. 584 00:56:41,023 --> 00:56:42,900 And then after that, it's time to go. 585 00:56:43,150 --> 00:56:45,448 There was where you made your mistake, Judy. 586 00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:47,787 You shouldn't keep souvenirs of a killing. 587 00:56:49,656 --> 00:56:51,499 You shouldn't have been... 588 00:56:53,076 --> 00:56:54,874 You shouldn't have been that sentimental. 589 00:56:56,038 --> 00:56:59,258 It's a world that he creates that reflects, 590 00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:00,880 I think, what it is to be alive. 591 00:57:01,376 --> 00:57:03,674 And what it is to live in fear. 592 00:57:05,547 --> 00:57:07,766 A good fear. A natural fear. 593 00:57:07,841 --> 00:57:09,935 But fear just the same. 594 00:57:11,303 --> 00:57:13,556 Of just the human condition of who we are. 595 00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:19,106 It's more than a story. 596 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:22,238 It's more than a story. 597 00:57:23,065 --> 00:57:25,614 It really is like living a lifetime with him. 598 00:57:35,619 --> 00:57:37,041 It was a break-even. 599 00:57:41,416 --> 00:57:43,293 I suppose so, yes. 600 00:57:44,795 --> 00:57:46,923 It's tricky. You know, people will learn 601 00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:49,007 the wrong lessons from failures 602 00:57:49,091 --> 00:57:52,516 just as they sometimes learn the wrong lessons from success. 603 00:57:55,764 --> 00:57:59,814 And the thing that I find so depressing about Hollywood is 604 00:57:59,893 --> 00:58:04,649 how often people really feel the first three months of 605 00:58:04,731 --> 00:58:08,486 anyone's response to your film... That's it. 606 00:58:09,695 --> 00:58:12,574 Carve that into marble. That was the response. 607 00:58:12,656 --> 00:58:15,660 It's not true. It wasn't true for Vertigo. 608 00:58:24,084 --> 00:58:27,930 There is sometimes a tendency among filmmakers... 609 00:58:29,297 --> 00:58:31,891 ...to forget the audience. 610 00:58:33,593 --> 00:58:37,188 I, personally, am interested in the audience. 611 00:58:39,057 --> 00:58:44,029 I mean that one's film should be designed for 2,000 seats, 612 00:58:44,104 --> 00:58:45,447 and not one seat. 613 00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:50,528 This, to me, is the power of the cinema. 614 00:58:51,278 --> 00:58:57,411 It is the greatest known mass medium there is in the world. 615 00:59:55,092 --> 00:59:57,265 Directors of Hitchcock's generation, 616 00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:59,767 the ones who came up under the studio system, 617 00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:02,349 were all mindful of their audience. 618 01:00:03,517 --> 01:00:07,567 But in Hitchcock's case, it ran deeper than that. 619 01:00:07,646 --> 01:00:12,698 His films are made in a dialogue with the public that's close, almost intimate. 620 01:00:15,070 --> 01:00:17,619 It doesn't matter where the film goes. 621 01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:22,620 If you've designed it correctly, 622 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,798 the Japanese audience should scream 623 01:00:26,873 --> 01:00:28,796 at the same time as the Indian audience. 624 01:00:33,046 --> 01:00:34,263 Could you still play an audience 625 01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:35,465 the way Hitchcock can? They do. 626 01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:38,393 But it's a different audience, and it's different playing. 627 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,140 See, the audience has been raised on films which are very loud, 628 01:00:44,182 --> 01:00:46,230 uh, which have a climax every two seconds. 629 01:00:47,394 --> 01:00:52,025 Now, we are so pummeled by stories 630 01:00:52,107 --> 01:00:54,781 and visual hyperbole 631 01:00:54,860 --> 01:00:57,989 that it's a very different world in trying to 632 01:00:58,071 --> 01:01:01,166 move the needle in terms of 633 01:01:01,241 --> 01:01:04,336 getting humans to accept your theses. 634 01:01:07,164 --> 01:01:08,586 Hitchcock's coming out of a world 635 01:01:08,665 --> 01:01:10,133 where everything was a proscenium, 636 01:01:10,208 --> 01:01:11,835 and everything was structured, 637 01:01:11,918 --> 01:01:13,920 and he was able to take that structure and bend it 638 01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:16,678 and twist it and exaggerate it 639 01:01:16,756 --> 01:01:18,508 to a greater or lesser effect. 640 01:01:20,844 --> 01:01:24,724 By the time you get to Psycho, 641 01:01:24,806 --> 01:01:27,025 people are watching television. 642 01:01:27,309 --> 01:01:31,280 And Ed Gein is informing what's happening in the movies. 643 01:01:34,399 --> 01:01:37,448 We're starting to borrow from the real world. 644 01:01:42,365 --> 01:01:46,711 I believe so, yes, in Wisconsin somewhere. 645 01:01:50,081 --> 01:01:53,961 Psycho, in order to get the audience effects... 646 01:01:54,878 --> 01:01:56,346 ...on the audience, 647 01:01:57,589 --> 01:02:00,308 I would say that this is pretty well 648 01:02:00,383 --> 01:02:02,886 as cinematic as a lot of pictures. 649 01:02:09,851 --> 01:02:12,445 It was a very interesting construction. 650 01:02:12,979 --> 01:02:18,156 I tried for a long time to play the audience. 651 01:02:19,152 --> 01:02:21,871 Let's say we were playing them like an organ. 652 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:23,741 Why don't you call your boss and tell him 653 01:02:23,823 --> 01:02:26,417 you're taking the rest of the afternoon off? 654 01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:28,086 The scene with John Gavin and Janet Leigh 655 01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:29,162 in the beginning... 656 01:02:29,996 --> 01:02:31,418 The element there is the bra. 657 01:02:32,499 --> 01:02:33,500 Okay- 658 01:02:35,085 --> 01:02:38,589 But it's shot very simply, but ominously. 659 01:02:39,047 --> 01:02:41,470 There's something ominous about it. 660 01:02:42,717 --> 01:02:46,813 The scenes in the office are kind of all right, you know. 661 01:02:47,347 --> 01:02:48,439 With that Texan... 662 01:02:48,515 --> 01:02:51,894 I'm buying this house for my baby's wedding present. 663 01:02:52,852 --> 01:02:55,605 $40,000 cash. 664 01:02:55,689 --> 01:02:58,283 For his style, the blandness of the scenes 665 01:02:58,358 --> 01:03:00,577 and the blandness of the framing, 666 01:03:00,986 --> 01:03:01,987 um, 667 01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:04,535 is just really a kind of a bridge 668 01:03:04,614 --> 01:03:06,742 to get you to the next major moment. 669 01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:10,871 I think his instinct is right in telling stories like that. 670 01:03:10,954 --> 01:03:13,878 I never carry more than I can afford to lose. 671 01:03:13,957 --> 01:03:17,507 How benign can we make these images that just connect the dots? 672 01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:20,593 I don't even want it in the office over the weekend. 673 01:03:20,714 --> 01:03:22,933 Put it in the safe deposit box in the bank and... 674 01:03:23,008 --> 01:03:25,181 It cost only $800,000 dollars... 675 01:03:26,344 --> 01:03:29,473 ...and I used a complete television unit to do it. 676 01:03:31,766 --> 01:03:33,484 He was flirting with you. 677 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,483 I guess he must have noticed my wedding ring. 678 01:03:35,562 --> 01:03:40,318 It was necessary to make the robbery, 679 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,997 and what happened to the girl, purposely on the long side, 680 01:03:45,071 --> 01:03:48,575 to get an audience absorbed with her plight. 681 01:03:49,743 --> 01:03:51,165 Come in. 682 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,246 Where I slowed up 683 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:58,086 was when I came to the scenes that indicated time and trouble. 684 01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:06,802 Hitchcock really does love to surprise people 685 01:04:06,885 --> 01:04:08,853 and to take you in unusual directions. 686 01:04:09,429 --> 01:04:12,933 He sort of thrived on that and he was very proud of that. 687 01:04:13,016 --> 01:04:15,018 That's what his cinema is kind of based on. 688 01:04:15,101 --> 01:04:20,449 The beginning of Psycho... It's one of the great misdirections. 689 01:04:26,279 --> 01:04:30,910 He is playing with your expectations of 690 01:04:31,493 --> 01:04:33,291 where you're supposed to be in a movie, 691 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:35,464 where you're supposed to be in a Hitchcock movie, 692 01:04:35,538 --> 01:04:37,666 where you're supposed to be in a Universal movie. 693 01:04:51,596 --> 01:04:55,271 You can argue the value of Janet Leigh's performance. 694 01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:56,772 You can say, "Well, that's a little flat, 695 01:04:56,851 --> 01:04:59,400 "it's a little this, that's a little Kabuki." 696 01:04:59,479 --> 01:05:03,700 Maybe all of those things are leading you to believe 697 01:05:04,484 --> 01:05:06,703 as an audience member 698 01:05:06,778 --> 01:05:09,281 there's a bigger cumulative effect. 699 01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:12,037 She's servicing an expectation. 700 01:05:12,826 --> 01:05:15,545 The best scenes for me are the ones he must have spent time on, 701 01:05:16,121 --> 01:05:17,589 the driving shots. 702 01:05:17,664 --> 01:05:19,917 You had to have spent time on those, 703 01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,090 particularly the points of view somehow. 704 01:05:24,546 --> 01:05:28,346 And the framing of Janet Leigh in the center of the frame 705 01:05:28,425 --> 01:05:31,304 with the top of the steering wheel in the bottom of the frame. 706 01:05:31,803 --> 01:05:34,022 'Cause you can make a choice, you can go above the steering wheel. 707 01:05:35,014 --> 01:05:36,766 You know, or you can go further out. 708 01:05:36,850 --> 01:05:38,944 But then maybe you won't see her eyes as well. 709 01:05:39,018 --> 01:05:40,941 So that's like the perfect size. 710 01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:48,361 In quite a hurry? 711 01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:51,118 Yes, I didn't intend to sleep so long. 712 01:05:51,656 --> 01:05:53,454 I almost had an accident last night. 713 01:05:53,533 --> 01:05:55,126 The scene with the policeman. 714 01:05:55,201 --> 01:05:59,297 Of course, the framing of him staring into the car... 715 01:05:59,372 --> 01:06:01,215 Yes, we know with the glasses, he's scary. 716 01:06:04,169 --> 01:06:07,389 But there's something about the restraint of those frames. 717 01:06:09,924 --> 01:06:12,803 See? And the more you restrain, 718 01:06:12,886 --> 01:06:15,184 the better it is when the explosion happens. 719 01:06:18,725 --> 01:06:20,147 And on the way to the explosion, 720 01:06:20,226 --> 01:06:23,230 there are these meditative states. Driving... 721 01:06:24,898 --> 01:06:27,401 Caroline, get Mr. Cassidy for me. 722 01:06:30,111 --> 01:06:33,786 After all, Cassidy, I told you, all that cash... 723 01:06:33,907 --> 01:06:37,377 And there's a sense of movement ahead, movement ahead... 724 01:06:43,917 --> 01:06:45,840 She steals money. 725 01:06:45,919 --> 01:06:47,842 Then she decides to drive away. 726 01:06:47,921 --> 01:06:50,219 Then she becomes guilty about it. 727 01:06:51,090 --> 01:06:53,684 Gee, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you in all this rain. 728 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,057 Then she meets this guy in a motel, 729 01:06:55,136 --> 01:06:56,433 and he's telling her all his problems. 730 01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:59,273 A few years ago, Mother met this man. 731 01:06:59,807 --> 01:07:02,526 And he talked her into building this motel. 732 01:07:02,602 --> 01:07:04,104 You're watching, you wanna know what happens. 733 01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:05,734 Is she gonna bring that money back? 734 01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:07,815 Now what is Anthony Perkins really gonna do? 735 01:07:08,816 --> 01:07:10,614 You know, he has his mother there. 736 01:07:10,693 --> 01:07:11,694 Maybe there's gonna be this whole thing 737 01:07:11,778 --> 01:07:13,121 going on with the mother and him and her. 738 01:07:13,404 --> 01:07:16,578 When he died too, it was just too great a shock for her. 739 01:07:18,117 --> 01:07:20,415 I mean, you're really... You're taken down a path, 740 01:07:20,495 --> 01:07:21,496 but what's great about it is that 741 01:07:21,955 --> 01:07:24,925 all your expectations are taken and turned upside down. 742 01:07:29,963 --> 01:07:31,590 You know, there are certain rules, 743 01:07:31,673 --> 01:07:34,096 and he pulled the pin and rolled a grenade 744 01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:36,553 into the middle of that conference room 745 01:07:36,636 --> 01:07:38,809 and destroyed all those rules. 746 01:07:44,143 --> 01:07:47,738 The camera is very much with Marion, right? 747 01:07:47,814 --> 01:07:49,191 Even to the point where you have that 748 01:07:49,274 --> 01:07:50,992 very famous shot of the showerhead. 749 01:07:53,695 --> 01:07:56,915 All of a sudden, you go from Marion, 750 01:07:56,990 --> 01:08:00,085 and the camera is then in this very strange place 751 01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,628 where you see both her showering, 752 01:08:02,704 --> 01:08:06,459 and the shadowy figure behind that kind of Visqueen curtain. 753 01:08:12,839 --> 01:08:15,638 He did it with an eye towards having to shift 754 01:08:15,717 --> 01:08:19,062 point of view 35 minutes into the film. 755 01:08:24,017 --> 01:08:27,271 The very first screening of that film, 756 01:08:27,353 --> 01:08:30,448 none of us had a clue what was gonna happen. 757 01:08:36,321 --> 01:08:40,451 And when that murder, that shower scene came, 758 01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,661 I've never seen an audience react like that. 759 01:08:43,745 --> 01:08:47,875 You could hear a sustained shriek from the audience downstairs. 760 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:51,302 It wasn't like... Ahh! Ahh! Ahh! It was like... Ahh! 761 01:08:51,377 --> 01:08:53,004 Like they wanted to close it out. 762 01:08:55,798 --> 01:08:58,392 But they couldn't stop watching it. 763 01:08:58,676 --> 01:09:00,599 You wanted to close your eyes, but you couldn't. 764 01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:05,558 Hitch was right, you didn't have to build suspense anymore, 765 01:09:05,642 --> 01:09:07,315 they were... 766 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:10,317 They were blithering idiots. 767 01:09:10,396 --> 01:09:12,899 The audience was like, "What happened?" 768 01:09:12,982 --> 01:09:14,074 They couldn't believe what happened. 769 01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:16,152 They kept thinking, "It couldn't have happened. 770 01:09:16,235 --> 01:09:18,283 "She's gonna be alive." 771 01:09:18,363 --> 01:09:21,663 It was... Every impulse that you have going to the movies, 772 01:09:21,741 --> 01:09:25,587 it was the first time that going to the movies was dangerous. 773 01:09:28,331 --> 01:09:31,380 Seven days, 70 setups. 774 01:09:32,585 --> 01:09:35,839 I used a nude girl a lot, 775 01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:39,267 and I shot some of it in slow motion. 776 01:09:40,134 --> 01:09:42,887 Because of covering the breasts, 777 01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:44,438 you couldn't do it quick... 778 01:09:44,514 --> 01:09:46,767 You couldn't measure it correctly. 779 01:09:50,436 --> 01:09:54,782 That's when you feel like this guy really has his finger on the pulse of, 780 01:09:54,857 --> 01:09:57,610 not only just audience response, but the world in general, 781 01:09:57,694 --> 01:09:59,867 that the world was ready for a film like that. 782 01:09:59,946 --> 01:10:01,323 It didn't know it was, but it was. 783 01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:04,788 This was a small story. 784 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:09,338 But it represented probably something much larger on the horizon. 785 01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:18,514 At that time as it is now, we expect certain things. 786 01:10:19,132 --> 01:10:20,805 And it took storytelling at that time and says, 787 01:10:20,883 --> 01:10:23,477 "No, I'm not gonna give you that. 788 01:10:23,553 --> 01:10:24,896 "I'm gonna give you something else." 789 01:10:24,971 --> 01:10:26,143 Because you think everything is so cool. 790 01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:29,897 You're at the end of the '50s, the '60s are gonna look glorious to us. 791 01:10:35,356 --> 01:10:38,781 I think it was really important for who we were then. 792 01:10:40,695 --> 01:10:43,699 You have Vietnam, you have world revolution, 793 01:10:43,781 --> 01:10:46,204 you have everything that happened in the '60s, 794 01:10:46,284 --> 01:10:49,003 and the society has never been the same. 795 01:10:49,579 --> 01:10:53,004 That picture really touched upon that, I think, Psycho. 796 01:10:57,378 --> 01:11:00,848 Of course, you want everything so neat and wrapped up. 797 01:11:01,257 --> 01:11:02,804 Well, life isn't like that. 798 01:11:02,884 --> 01:11:05,012 Even the stories I'm gonna tell you are not like that now. 799 01:11:07,388 --> 01:11:10,107 My main satisfaction is... 800 01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:15,108 ...the film did something to an audience. 801 01:11:15,188 --> 01:11:16,610 I really mean that. 802 01:11:16,689 --> 01:11:21,411 And in many ways, I feel my satisfaction with our... 803 01:11:21,486 --> 01:11:26,242 Our art achieves something 804 01:11:26,824 --> 01:11:29,919 of a mass emotion. 805 01:11:32,705 --> 01:11:34,833 It wasn't a message, 806 01:11:34,916 --> 01:11:38,671 it wasn't some great performance, 807 01:11:38,753 --> 01:11:44,260 it wasn't a highly appreciated novel that stirred an audience. 808 01:11:48,346 --> 01:11:50,348 It was pure film. 809 01:11:53,059 --> 01:11:56,063 People will say, "What a terrible thing to make." 810 01:11:56,646 --> 01:11:59,149 The subject was horrible, 811 01:11:59,232 --> 01:12:01,109 the people were small, 812 01:12:01,192 --> 01:12:03,365 there were no characters in it. 813 01:12:03,444 --> 01:12:05,071 I know all this. 814 01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:08,329 But I know one thing, 815 01:12:08,407 --> 01:12:14,335 the use of film in constructing this story 816 01:12:14,413 --> 01:12:17,542 caused audiences all over the world 817 01:12:19,252 --> 01:12:23,302 to react and become emotional. 818 01:12:23,506 --> 01:12:26,259 My only pride in the picture 819 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:31,564 is that the picture belongs to filmmakers. 820 01:12:31,806 --> 01:12:35,231 It belongs to us, you and I. 821 01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:42,158 Yes, how do you want to handle this? 822 01:12:42,483 --> 01:12:44,827 I am the cameraman, you are the director. 823 01:12:44,902 --> 01:12:46,950 And you are directing a double portrait 824 01:12:47,029 --> 01:12:50,158 of a Mr. Hitchcock and of a Mr. Truffaut. 825 01:12:50,241 --> 01:12:52,744 Whatever you want, any idea that comes into... 826 01:12:52,827 --> 01:12:56,422 Really, it's my directing Mr. Truffaut, isn't it? 827 01:12:57,498 --> 01:13:00,047 Yes, but you direct also yourself. 828 01:13:00,126 --> 01:13:02,970 Ah, I got what you want. Okay. 829 01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:06,382 You look less worried than he is. 830 01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:08,888 Now, here we are. Look, here's the angle. 831 01:13:09,135 --> 01:13:11,012 Now, I'm gonna be like this, you see. 832 01:13:11,095 --> 01:13:14,770 Now, Mr. Truffaut should half turn around and look back to me. 833 01:13:17,101 --> 01:13:18,444 Like this. You see, then? 834 01:13:23,858 --> 01:13:25,952 We better not have cigars, you are right. 835 01:13:26,027 --> 01:13:29,122 Otherwise, it might make us look like movie directors. 836 01:13:29,196 --> 01:13:31,494 And God forbid we ever look like that. 837 01:13:44,003 --> 01:13:48,804 The conversation that began in 1962 extended far beyond the book, 838 01:13:49,216 --> 01:13:51,344 and bloomed into a real friendship. 839 01:13:58,851 --> 01:14:02,651 Hitchcock and Truffaut spoke and wrote to each other constantly. 840 01:14:05,942 --> 01:14:07,285 They read each other's scripts, 841 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,613 made story and casting suggestions, and screened each other's films. 842 01:14:16,744 --> 01:14:20,749 After the first edition of the book was published in 1966, 843 01:14:21,332 --> 01:14:24,927 Truffaut made a movie a year, sometimes two. 844 01:14:29,048 --> 01:14:31,767 Hitchcock made only three more films. 845 01:14:34,637 --> 01:14:38,312 Right to the end, he was haunted by the question he had raised with Truffaut. 846 01:14:40,101 --> 01:14:43,526 "Should I have experimented more with character and narrative? 847 01:14:45,940 --> 01:14:48,409 "Did I become a prisoner of my own form?" 848 01:14:57,785 --> 01:14:59,913 The same old questions still swirled around him. 849 01:15:01,580 --> 01:15:04,083 Was he an artist or an entertainer? 850 01:15:06,085 --> 01:15:08,554 Could anyone really claim to be an artist, 851 01:15:08,629 --> 01:15:11,303 working within the factory conditions of Hollywood? 852 01:15:15,511 --> 01:15:18,435 In America, you call this man "Hitch." 853 01:15:19,306 --> 01:15:22,685 In France, we call him "Monsieur Hitchcock." 854 01:15:32,862 --> 01:15:36,958 "Two weeks after the American Film Institute tribute," wrote Truffaut, 855 01:15:37,783 --> 01:15:40,912 "resigned to the fact that he would never shoot another film, 856 01:15:41,412 --> 01:15:45,883 "Hitchcock closed his office, dismissed his staff, and went home." 857 01:15:53,507 --> 01:15:58,934 Frangois Truffaut's energy and his love of cinema seemed inexhaustible. 858 01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:03,855 The idea that he would be dead at the age of 52, 859 01:16:04,477 --> 01:16:08,448 only four years after Hitchcock, was unthinkable. 860 01:16:09,982 --> 01:16:11,825 It still is. 861 01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:19,666 The last completed project of Truffaut's life, 862 01:16:20,034 --> 01:16:25,086 published a few months before he died, was an updated edition of his book, 863 01:16:25,164 --> 01:16:28,338 in which he gave us Alfred Hitchcock. 864 01:16:29,168 --> 01:16:33,344 Not the television star, not the Master of Suspense, 865 01:16:34,423 --> 01:16:38,644 but Alfred Hitchcock the artist, who wrote with the camera. 866 01:16:46,185 --> 01:16:48,187 Isuppose... 867 01:16:48,270 --> 01:16:51,740 ...the films with atmosphere, 868 01:16:52,191 --> 01:16:54,410 suspense and incident 869 01:16:54,485 --> 01:16:58,581 are really my creations as a writer. 870 01:17:33,858 --> 01:17:35,075 Sure, yeah. 871 01:17:45,578 --> 01:17:47,080 Sure, that's right.74290

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