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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,248 --> 00:00:11,685 You see that when you... 2 00:00:11,785 --> 00:00:14,455 MICHAEL WOOD: There are times in the life of a civilization 3 00:00:14,555 --> 00:00:19,193 when history seems to burst with possibilities. 4 00:00:19,293 --> 00:00:23,130 That's India in the 21st century. 5 00:00:23,230 --> 00:00:25,599 This is the tale of British occupation of India, 6 00:00:25,699 --> 00:00:27,067 the winning of freedom, 7 00:00:27,167 --> 00:00:29,870 and the establishment of democracy, 8 00:00:29,970 --> 00:00:32,473 and with them, all the possibilities 9 00:00:32,573 --> 00:00:35,876 of a hitherto undreamed of future. 10 00:00:37,545 --> 00:00:38,979 What do you want to be when you grow up 11 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:40,180 and leave the school? 12 00:00:40,281 --> 00:00:42,283 BOY: When I grow up, I'll be a commercial pilot. 13 00:00:42,383 --> 00:00:43,684 WOOD: A commercial pilot! 14 00:00:43,784 --> 00:00:45,619 BOY: Doctor. WOOD: A doctor. 15 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:48,589 I want to be a captain in the navy. 16 00:00:48,689 --> 00:00:51,158 WOOD: A captain in the navy. BOY: Yeah. 17 00:00:51,258 --> 00:00:52,660 Archaeologist. 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,029 WOOD: An archaeologist! Fantastic! 19 00:00:55,129 --> 00:00:56,463 I want to be a movie director 20 00:00:56,564 --> 00:00:59,099 A movie director! Fantastic. 21 00:01:00,501 --> 00:01:02,403 WOOD: The Modern Age is the next chapter 22 00:01:02,503 --> 00:01:04,438 in the story of India. 23 00:01:31,899 --> 00:01:33,934 The coast of South India. 24 00:01:34,034 --> 00:01:38,205 It was here in the 18th century that a series of events began 25 00:01:38,305 --> 00:01:40,374 that would lead to a small island 26 00:01:40,474 --> 00:01:43,644 off the shore of Europe, Britain, 27 00:01:43,744 --> 00:01:51,585 coming to rule a vast empire 5,000 miles away in India... 28 00:01:51,685 --> 00:01:53,988 and in the process, giving birth 29 00:01:54,088 --> 00:01:56,557 to the modern world. 30 00:02:00,694 --> 00:02:03,797 The tale of India's last invader, the British, 31 00:02:03,897 --> 00:02:07,401 is a chain of accidents, as so often in history, 32 00:02:07,501 --> 00:02:09,603 events that need never have happened in the way 33 00:02:09,703 --> 00:02:13,907 that they did except perhaps for some destiny 34 00:02:14,008 --> 00:02:17,044 written deep in India's own past. 35 00:02:20,514 --> 00:02:23,183 Here in Tanjore in the late 18th century, 36 00:02:23,283 --> 00:02:25,753 the armies of a private multinational, 37 00:02:25,853 --> 00:02:28,022 the British East India Company, 38 00:02:28,122 --> 00:02:30,424 imposed their rule on a civilization 39 00:02:30,524 --> 00:02:32,693 that had come down from ancient times, 40 00:02:32,793 --> 00:02:36,163 still with its own distinctive vision of the world. 41 00:02:36,263 --> 00:02:40,134 [Bells ringing] 42 00:02:40,234 --> 00:02:43,537 At that time while the Moghuls still ruled in the north, 43 00:02:43,637 --> 00:02:45,072 South India was divided 44 00:02:45,172 --> 00:02:49,043 between many independent princely states, 45 00:02:49,143 --> 00:02:51,645 but history was on the move. 46 00:03:00,587 --> 00:03:03,390 The 18th century rajas of Tanjore, 47 00:03:03,490 --> 00:03:07,895 men like Serfoji, were importing European knowledge, 48 00:03:07,995 --> 00:03:09,129 and in their library here 49 00:03:09,229 --> 00:03:11,665 along with 50,0000 Indian manuscripts 50 00:03:11,765 --> 00:03:14,768 are books in English, French, Italian, and Latin. 51 00:03:14,868 --> 00:03:17,271 SERFOJI: They're both on palm leaf and paper. 52 00:03:17,371 --> 00:03:18,505 There are 25,000... 53 00:03:18,605 --> 00:03:20,307 WOOD: Even without the British, 54 00:03:20,407 --> 00:03:22,876 India would still have taken the path to modernity. 55 00:03:22,976 --> 00:03:25,012 Wow. isn't that fantastic? 56 00:03:25,112 --> 00:03:28,882 So he was interested in combining 57 00:03:28,982 --> 00:03:31,452 Indian and European? 58 00:03:31,552 --> 00:03:32,953 That's fascinating. 59 00:03:33,053 --> 00:03:34,121 SERFQOJI: Samuel Johnson's dictionary. 60 00:03:34,221 --> 00:03:35,289 WOOD: Ha ha ha! 61 00:03:35,389 --> 00:03:37,057 Samuel Johnson's dictionary. 62 00:03:37,157 --> 00:03:39,093 Fantastic. 63 00:03:39,193 --> 00:03:41,261 The first great dictionary of the English language, 64 00:03:41,361 --> 00:03:42,963 and here itis in the court 65 00:03:43,063 --> 00:03:46,800 of 18th century Tanjore. 66 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:50,070 The very moment of the British taking over in India, 67 00:03:50,170 --> 00:03:52,139 this kind of almost like a renaissance culture 68 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:53,440 is taking place. 69 00:03:53,540 --> 00:03:55,542 This library when you think about it 70 00:03:55,642 --> 00:03:58,145 is as old as the Bodleian library in Oxford, 71 00:03:58,245 --> 00:04:01,348 older by far than any library in the United States, 72 00:04:01,448 --> 00:04:04,818 and maybe that's the hallmark of all great civilizations, 73 00:04:04,918 --> 00:04:08,088 that they have the ability to conserve their own genius 74 00:04:08,188 --> 00:04:11,225 but to bring in the discoveries 75 00:04:11,325 --> 00:04:13,594 of other civilizations and incorporate them, 76 00:04:13,694 --> 00:04:16,330 and India has always had the ability to do that, 77 00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:18,499 just as it does today. 78 00:04:20,434 --> 00:04:22,936 SERFOJI: He had a very deep interest in medicine also. 79 00:04:23,036 --> 00:04:24,238 You can see here. 80 00:04:24,338 --> 00:04:27,541 Even it's fascinating to know that he has imported 81 00:04:27,641 --> 00:04:30,677 a human skeleton from London. 82 00:04:30,778 --> 00:04:36,083 He wants his doctors to be taught about the anatomy. 83 00:04:36,183 --> 00:04:39,319 He was into polyglot and polymath. 84 00:04:39,419 --> 00:04:41,255 WOOD: He spoke English, I gather? 85 00:04:41,355 --> 00:04:44,324 SERFOJI: He spoke several languages. 86 00:04:44,424 --> 00:04:46,994 So all this time, Tanjore was under the rule 87 00:04:47,094 --> 00:04:48,495 of the British, is that correct? 88 00:04:48,595 --> 00:04:52,166 Yeah. Actually what happened, he had to-- 89 00:04:52,266 --> 00:04:54,935 he was forced to undergo a treaty with the British 90 00:04:55,035 --> 00:05:00,274 and from 1798 onwards, so he was relieved 91 00:05:00,374 --> 00:05:03,744 of his powers from maintaining his territory. 92 00:05:07,281 --> 00:05:10,117 WOOD: With Moghul power in the north on the wane, 93 00:05:10,217 --> 00:05:13,620 India now found itself part of the global confrontation 94 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,589 between the European powers, 95 00:05:15,689 --> 00:05:18,458 and the South became a theater of war 96 00:05:18,559 --> 00:05:20,194 between the armies of the British 97 00:05:20,294 --> 00:05:22,062 and the French. 98 00:05:27,201 --> 00:05:28,902 And it was the ordinary people 99 00:05:29,002 --> 00:05:30,971 who were caught in the crossfire. 100 00:05:34,107 --> 00:05:36,543 The key to the nascent British empire 101 00:05:36,643 --> 00:05:39,279 was the new fort of Madras. 102 00:05:54,161 --> 00:05:58,365 WOMAN: By about 1650, 1660, the Dutch, the Danish, 103 00:05:58,465 --> 00:06:00,300 the Portuguese, all of them, you know, 104 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,935 sort of become subservient to the powers 105 00:06:02,035 --> 00:06:03,937 of the British and the French. 106 00:06:04,037 --> 00:06:06,907 WOOD: So these are European powers competing 107 00:06:07,007 --> 00:06:09,276 for empire internationally, 108 00:06:09,376 --> 00:06:10,911 but here in south India, this becomes 109 00:06:11,011 --> 00:06:12,179 a focus for their rivalries. 110 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,581 SATHYABAMA: Every time there is some sort of a difference 111 00:06:14,681 --> 00:06:16,583 of opinion or altercation in Europe 112 00:06:16,683 --> 00:06:18,719 between the French and the English, 113 00:06:18,819 --> 00:06:21,154 that--what shall we say-- 114 00:06:21,255 --> 00:06:25,125 that is very clearly reflected 115 00:06:25,225 --> 00:06:26,894 in the South India also. 116 00:06:28,595 --> 00:06:31,632 WOOD: It was a time of war as European armies trekked 117 00:06:31,732 --> 00:06:34,301 back and forth across South India. 118 00:06:34,401 --> 00:06:36,703 In the towns of the old Cholan heartland, 119 00:06:36,803 --> 00:06:39,306 the dead lay unburied in the streets. 120 00:06:45,345 --> 00:06:47,281 The great Tamil temple enclosures 121 00:06:47,381 --> 00:06:50,350 were turned into forts and prison camps 122 00:06:50,450 --> 00:06:53,186 as columns of famine-stricken refugees 123 00:06:53,287 --> 00:06:54,955 fled the fighting. 124 00:07:05,065 --> 00:07:07,601 When you read British accounts of these wars 125 00:07:07,701 --> 00:07:10,404 in the late 18th century, you get actually 126 00:07:10,504 --> 00:07:14,975 a very horrifying impression of armies of British 127 00:07:15,075 --> 00:07:18,812 and French crisscrossing the Tamil land. 128 00:07:18,912 --> 00:07:21,748 Terrible massacres are taking place 129 00:07:21,848 --> 00:07:23,984 of the kind that we see today 130 00:07:24,084 --> 00:07:26,386 in, you know, Darfur or Iraq almost. 131 00:07:26,486 --> 00:07:28,755 I mean, thousands of Tamils were killed. 132 00:07:28,855 --> 00:07:31,358 It must have been a terrible time in the south. 133 00:07:31,458 --> 00:07:32,559 SATHYABAMA: It must have been. 134 00:07:32,659 --> 00:07:34,995 the first form of uprising starts 135 00:07:35,095 --> 00:07:36,596 only in this part of the country. 136 00:07:36,697 --> 00:07:38,932 WOOD: The first uprising against the British. 137 00:07:39,032 --> 00:07:40,133 SATHYABAMA: Against the British. 138 00:07:40,233 --> 00:07:41,768 Of course it's all local. 139 00:07:41,868 --> 00:07:44,204 It is not--you know, it's nothing organized. 140 00:07:44,304 --> 00:07:46,106 I wouldn't call it a fight for freedom, 141 00:07:46,206 --> 00:07:48,642 but I am just-- they are rebelling 142 00:07:48,742 --> 00:07:52,612 against certain norms which have been forced upon them. 143 00:07:54,614 --> 00:07:57,484 WOOD: The British victory in South India came in 1799 144 00:07:57,584 --> 00:07:59,286 at the battle of Seringapatam, 145 00:07:59,386 --> 00:08:02,055 where an East India Company army overwhelmed 146 00:08:02,155 --> 00:08:04,691 the Muslim sultan of Mysore. 147 00:08:07,995 --> 00:08:10,263 And there's a modern twist to this story. 148 00:08:10,364 --> 00:08:11,698 These were not national armies 149 00:08:11,798 --> 00:08:14,101 but the first global corporations 150 00:08:14,201 --> 00:08:17,237 fighting for the spoils of India, 151 00:08:17,337 --> 00:08:19,506 and the prize was huge. 152 00:08:21,308 --> 00:08:23,510 In London, the East India Company archives 153 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:26,246 in the British library show that the war was not 154 00:08:26,346 --> 00:08:29,483 just about power but profit. 155 00:08:35,856 --> 00:08:38,291 The profit and loss, the balance sheets 156 00:08:38,392 --> 00:08:39,960 of the East India Company. 157 00:08:40,060 --> 00:08:42,629 this was what it was all about. 158 00:08:42,729 --> 00:08:45,298 The crucial turning point in the finances 159 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:49,636 of the company, 1799 after the great battles 160 00:08:49,736 --> 00:08:53,006 in South India at Seringapatam. 161 00:08:53,106 --> 00:08:57,310 Company revenues: £8.5 million. 162 00:08:57,411 --> 00:09:02,783 Four years later, 1803: £13.5 million. 163 00:09:02,883 --> 00:09:04,785 That's getting on for 3 quarters 164 00:09:04,885 --> 00:09:07,654 of a billion pounds in modern spending money. 165 00:09:09,890 --> 00:09:11,892 Previous invaders of India had come by land 166 00:09:11,992 --> 00:09:14,561 through the Khyber Pass, but the British came 167 00:09:14,661 --> 00:09:18,198 by sea, establishing bases around the coast, 168 00:09:18,298 --> 00:09:21,134 and in Bengal, the British had extorted the right 169 00:09:21,234 --> 00:09:24,404 to raise taxes from the enfeebled Moghuls, 170 00:09:24,504 --> 00:09:26,573 and here in Calcutta, they began to develop 171 00:09:26,673 --> 00:09:29,543 a classic colonial economy. 172 00:09:32,946 --> 00:09:35,816 Sailing into Calcutta in the 18th century, 173 00:09:35,916 --> 00:09:39,853 you were entering the hub of an operation which spread 174 00:09:39,953 --> 00:09:43,423 its power and influence across half the world. 175 00:09:43,523 --> 00:09:46,026 Opium being processed here in warehouses 176 00:09:46,126 --> 00:09:48,161 to be sailed off to China; 177 00:09:48,261 --> 00:09:50,197 textiles being processed 178 00:09:50,297 --> 00:09:53,166 to go into Northern India and across to Europe. 179 00:09:54,668 --> 00:09:56,103 A network that controlled 180 00:09:56,203 --> 00:09:59,406 hundreds of thousands of skilled workers-- 181 00:09:59,506 --> 00:10:01,775 weavers, dyers, and washers. 182 00:10:05,812 --> 00:10:08,448 In later times, the British liked to say, 183 00:10:08,548 --> 00:10:10,851 disingenuously, that they gained their empire 184 00:10:10,951 --> 00:10:13,487 in a fit of absent-mindedness... 185 00:10:16,123 --> 00:10:18,024 But there was nothing absent-minded 186 00:10:18,125 --> 00:10:20,060 about the ruthless way they pursued 187 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,062 the imperative of profit. 188 00:10:23,797 --> 00:10:25,899 And in the late 18th century, 189 00:10:25,999 --> 00:10:28,235 driven by the Industrial Revolution back in Britain, 190 00:10:28,335 --> 00:10:32,339 Bengal became a mainstay of British imperialism. 191 00:10:41,748 --> 00:10:44,584 The British left their mark all over Calcutta. 192 00:10:44,684 --> 00:10:47,420 The great 18th century cemetery here in Park Street 193 00:10:47,521 --> 00:10:49,589 is still lovingly maintained. 194 00:10:50,757 --> 00:10:53,260 But perhaps the greatest legacy of the British 195 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,763 was to give Indians a new idea of India itself. 196 00:10:57,998 --> 00:11:01,535 The Britishers gave us a complete map of India. 197 00:11:01,635 --> 00:11:03,603 WOOD: The Britishers gave you a complete map of India? 198 00:11:03,703 --> 00:11:05,338 BANDOPADHYAY: United. They showed a complete map. 199 00:11:05,438 --> 00:11:07,274 Prior to Britishers what happened actually, 200 00:11:07,374 --> 00:11:11,044 India was divided into several small countries, 201 00:11:11,144 --> 00:11:12,646 different like that. 202 00:11:12,746 --> 00:11:13,847 They are all united. 203 00:11:13,947 --> 00:11:15,348 WOOD: So do you think that without the British 204 00:11:15,448 --> 00:11:18,018 India may never have been united as India? 205 00:11:18,118 --> 00:11:21,221 BANDOPADHYAY: Yeah. That is true 100%. I fully agree with you. 206 00:11:21,321 --> 00:11:23,390 WOOD: Ha ha ha! Really? 207 00:11:23,490 --> 00:11:26,259 You're making me feel better about being an imperialist! 208 00:11:26,359 --> 00:11:27,761 BANDOPADHYAY: It's absolutely correct. 209 00:11:29,596 --> 00:11:33,333 WOOD: And that map was not only physical but mental-- 210 00:11:33,433 --> 00:11:35,902 an idea of India, 211 00:11:36,002 --> 00:11:38,205 for it was the British who began the recovery 212 00:11:38,305 --> 00:11:40,273 of the ancient Indian past. 213 00:11:42,409 --> 00:11:45,245 Orientalists like James Prinsep and William Jones 214 00:11:45,345 --> 00:11:47,447 learned India's languages. 215 00:11:47,547 --> 00:11:50,283 "I love India more than my own country," 216 00:11:50,383 --> 00:11:52,385 said Warren Hastings. 217 00:11:52,485 --> 00:11:54,754 They founded the Asiatic Society here, 218 00:11:54,854 --> 00:11:57,724 conscious that India was a far older and richer 219 00:11:57,824 --> 00:12:00,026 civilization than their own, 220 00:12:00,126 --> 00:12:02,028 and as one of them said, 221 00:12:02,128 --> 00:12:03,930 "Wealth is not the only 222 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:07,067 "or the most valuable commodity India has 223 00:12:07,167 --> 00:12:10,203 "to offer Britain and the world." 224 00:12:11,771 --> 00:12:15,342 MAN: The early orientalists who came to India, 225 00:12:15,442 --> 00:12:20,146 they wanted to know what was happening in this new place. 226 00:12:20,247 --> 00:12:23,216 William Jones, H.T. Colebrooke 227 00:12:23,316 --> 00:12:24,751 and a whole host of others, 228 00:12:24,851 --> 00:12:27,187 they took India seriously. 229 00:12:27,287 --> 00:12:29,956 So they went, sat with the Brahmin pundits 230 00:12:30,056 --> 00:12:32,959 and tried to understand Sanskritic texts and so on. 231 00:12:35,328 --> 00:12:38,398 People had been, you know, nostalgically looking back 232 00:12:38,498 --> 00:12:40,667 to a world which they have lost. 233 00:12:43,603 --> 00:12:45,739 To look for the lost world in the East. 234 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:47,073 WOOD: And they found it in India? 235 00:12:47,173 --> 00:12:48,908 PANDIAN: They found it in India. 236 00:12:51,077 --> 00:12:53,647 WOOD: Some East India Company officers were accused 237 00:12:53,747 --> 00:12:56,983 of thinking more of Hinduism than Christianity 238 00:12:57,083 --> 00:12:59,886 and more of the Koran than the Bible. 239 00:12:59,986 --> 00:13:02,722 There's even a tomb in Park Street Cemetery 240 00:13:02,822 --> 00:13:06,693 covered with Hindu deities. 241 00:13:06,793 --> 00:13:08,194 it's the tomb of one of the most interesting 242 00:13:08,295 --> 00:13:13,099 characters from British India-- Major General Charles Stuart. 243 00:13:13,199 --> 00:13:14,601 His love of things Indian earned him 244 00:13:14,701 --> 00:13:17,504 the nickname Hindoo Stuart. 245 00:13:17,604 --> 00:13:20,707 He was here for 50 years, used to go down to the Ganges 246 00:13:20,807 --> 00:13:23,943 to bathe every day, wore Indian clothes off duty, 247 00:13:24,044 --> 00:13:25,879 and even worshipped Hindu gods. 248 00:13:29,249 --> 00:13:31,851 Perhaps his most characteristic attempt 249 00:13:31,951 --> 00:13:34,287 at cross-cultural dialogue was to try 250 00:13:34,387 --> 00:13:37,924 to persuade the British ladies of Calcutta, the memsaabs, 251 00:13:38,024 --> 00:13:40,193 to throw off their whalebone corsets 252 00:13:40,293 --> 00:13:43,430 and their iron dress hoops and wear the sari. 253 00:13:44,664 --> 00:13:46,433 "The sari," wrote Stuart, 254 00:13:46,533 --> 00:13:49,202 "is the most alluring dress in the world, 255 00:13:49,302 --> 00:13:53,406 "and the women of Hindustan enchanting in their beauty." 256 00:13:56,209 --> 00:13:59,145 In his book, "The Vindication of the Hindoos," 257 00:13:59,245 --> 00:14:03,083 Stuart spoke of the greatness of Indian civilization 258 00:14:03,183 --> 00:14:05,985 and the need for the British to understand it. 259 00:14:06,086 --> 00:14:07,754 "Hinduism," said Stuart, 260 00:14:07,854 --> 00:14:09,956 "little needs the ameliorating hand 261 00:14:10,056 --> 00:14:13,059 "of Christianity to render its votaries 262 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:18,531 "a correct and moral people in a civilized society." 263 00:14:18,631 --> 00:14:20,633 "On the contrary," he said, 264 00:14:20,734 --> 00:14:23,670 "the glorious scriptures of the Hindoos were written 265 00:14:23,770 --> 00:14:28,341 "when our own ancestors were savages in the forests." 266 00:14:30,210 --> 00:14:32,445 The British were particularly attracted 267 00:14:32,545 --> 00:14:35,749 to the mixed Hindu-Muslim culture in the Ganges Plain, 268 00:14:35,849 --> 00:14:37,817 a legacy of the days of the great the Moghuls 269 00:14:37,917 --> 00:14:39,919 like Akbar, who had tried to bring 270 00:14:40,019 --> 00:14:42,922 the two communities together. 271 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:46,126 Ah, wow. they're so... 272 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:49,662 Oh, look at this. 273 00:14:49,763 --> 00:14:51,531 So what are these documents? 274 00:14:51,631 --> 00:14:52,999 [Wood speaks foreign language] 275 00:14:53,099 --> 00:14:54,434 [Man speaks foreign language] 276 00:14:54,534 --> 00:14:56,403 This is for Hanumangarhi? 277 00:14:56,503 --> 00:15:00,640 And this is the seal of the Nawab? 278 00:15:00,740 --> 00:15:06,079 These are the documents for Muslim Nawabs of Ayodhya, 279 00:15:06,179 --> 00:15:09,582 giving their resources to building a Hindu temple. 280 00:15:12,051 --> 00:15:14,587 In the Middle Ages, relations between Hindus 281 00:15:14,687 --> 00:15:16,156 and Muslims had often been marred 282 00:15:16,256 --> 00:15:19,859 by the intolerant attitudes of some Muslim rulers, 283 00:15:19,959 --> 00:15:21,928 but accommodation under the later Moghuls 284 00:15:22,028 --> 00:15:24,998 gave birth to the most seductive and charismatic 285 00:15:25,098 --> 00:15:27,333 of all Indian civilizations 286 00:15:27,434 --> 00:15:30,870 in Lucknow under the Muslim Nawabs. 287 00:15:37,444 --> 00:15:39,446 and that time is still fondly remembered 288 00:15:39,546 --> 00:15:42,782 in the old aristocratic houses. 289 00:15:42,882 --> 00:15:46,519 Ah, so family portraits. 290 00:15:46,619 --> 00:15:49,456 So this is magnificent. Who is this here? 291 00:15:49,556 --> 00:15:51,524 MAN: This is my great grandfather, 292 00:15:51,624 --> 00:15:55,562 Amiltolla Raja, sir. 293 00:15:55,662 --> 00:15:58,131 WOOD: Raja--but sir. 294 00:15:58,231 --> 00:15:59,299 So he was knighted by... 295 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:00,467 KHAN: Knighted by Queen Victoria. 296 00:16:00,567 --> 00:16:02,268 WOOD: Queen Victoria herself! 297 00:16:02,368 --> 00:16:04,270 Fantastic. 298 00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:06,606 KHAN: This is me. WOOD: Ha ha! 299 00:16:06,706 --> 00:16:08,641 With a beautiful ceremonial crown. 300 00:16:08,741 --> 00:16:11,110 KHAN: Rubies, emeralds, diamonds. 301 00:16:17,951 --> 00:16:23,156 WOOD: People talk about the culture of Lucknow 302 00:16:23,256 --> 00:16:25,425 in the--especially the 18th century period, don't they, 303 00:16:25,525 --> 00:16:29,128 as being an extraordinary period in Indian history. 304 00:16:29,229 --> 00:16:30,897 Why is that? 305 00:16:34,934 --> 00:16:36,703 What does that mean? 306 00:16:41,374 --> 00:16:43,276 Right. Right. 307 00:16:43,376 --> 00:16:46,946 So at that time, the 2 cultures here intermingled? 308 00:16:47,046 --> 00:16:48,414 KHAN: Intermingled. 309 00:16:51,351 --> 00:16:54,254 WOOD: That rich culture of Urdu literature and poetry 310 00:16:54,354 --> 00:16:58,358 has left its legacy across India, Pakistan, and the world. 311 00:16:58,458 --> 00:17:00,426 in food, too. 312 00:17:00,527 --> 00:17:03,296 And in that intermingling of Hindu and Muslim 313 00:17:03,396 --> 00:17:05,798 was a possible pointer to the future, 314 00:17:05,899 --> 00:17:09,402 had the British rulers been more sensitive. 315 00:17:09,502 --> 00:17:12,505 Verdict on the biryani, then, everybody? 316 00:17:12,605 --> 00:17:14,507 MAN: A-1. WOOD: A-1. 317 00:17:27,787 --> 00:17:29,088 But everything would be changed 318 00:17:29,188 --> 00:17:33,192 by the Great Rebellion of 1857. 319 00:17:33,293 --> 00:17:36,429 The signs had been there the previous 30 years: 320 00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:39,198 the British more intolerant under the growing influence 321 00:17:39,299 --> 00:17:43,503 of evangelical Christian missionaries; 322 00:17:43,603 --> 00:17:47,073 a decree replacing Persian with English as the language 323 00:17:47,173 --> 00:17:51,544 of administration and education. 324 00:17:51,644 --> 00:17:54,480 The mutiny began over the use of cow and pig fat 325 00:17:54,581 --> 00:17:55,982 to grease cartridges, 326 00:17:56,082 --> 00:17:58,952 deeply offensive to both Hindu and Muslim. 327 00:17:59,052 --> 00:18:01,521 It was a stupid mistake born of disrespect 328 00:18:01,621 --> 00:18:03,356 towards the native culture, 329 00:18:03,456 --> 00:18:07,093 but it provoked a terrifying uprising by the Sepoys, 330 00:18:07,193 --> 00:18:10,363 the native troops employed by British. 331 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:26,813 MAN: This was the mosque from where 332 00:18:26,913 --> 00:18:30,650 in the leadership of Maulana Fazl-e Haq Khairabidi 333 00:18:30,750 --> 00:18:35,788 around 350 A'immanh, of the mosque, Islamic scholars, 334 00:18:35,888 --> 00:18:39,325 gave the fatwa of jihad 335 00:18:39,425 --> 00:18:43,463 against the British rulers in India. 336 00:18:43,563 --> 00:18:47,867 WOOD: Hindu and Muslim joined together. 337 00:18:47,967 --> 00:18:49,302 BUKHARI: All communities came together, 338 00:18:49,402 --> 00:18:53,106 and I think it was the golden period of India. 339 00:18:53,206 --> 00:18:56,109 All the communities, without the-- 340 00:18:56,209 --> 00:19:01,280 any differences, they were Indians at that time. 341 00:19:01,381 --> 00:19:03,016 They were following their religions, 342 00:19:03,116 --> 00:19:05,218 but they were fighting for 1 cause, 343 00:19:05,318 --> 00:19:06,986 to get the freedom of India. 344 00:19:13,526 --> 00:19:16,329 WOOD: Through the sweltering summer of 1857, 345 00:19:16,429 --> 00:19:18,865 the edifice of British power tottered 346 00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:22,168 in what the British called the Indian Mutiny. 347 00:19:22,268 --> 00:19:24,537 it was the greatest war of resistance ever fought 348 00:19:24,637 --> 00:19:27,306 against a colonial power in the whole age 349 00:19:27,407 --> 00:19:29,342 of European imperialism... 350 00:19:32,078 --> 00:19:34,814 and new discoveries in the archives in Delhi 351 00:19:34,914 --> 00:19:36,949 reveal the story from the rebels' side 352 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,685 and their anger at the attitude 353 00:19:38,785 --> 00:19:42,288 of the new breed of British officials. 354 00:19:42,388 --> 00:19:44,157 MAN: They are denigrating 355 00:19:44,257 --> 00:19:45,625 traditional forms of performance, 356 00:19:45,725 --> 00:19:47,727 they are denigrating traditional texts, 357 00:19:47,827 --> 00:19:49,829 they're denigrating traditional poetry. 358 00:19:49,929 --> 00:19:52,598 so there is a hectoring, interrogating machine 359 00:19:52,699 --> 00:19:55,735 that has been set in motion 20, 25 years 360 00:19:55,835 --> 00:19:57,370 before the uprising happens. 361 00:19:57,470 --> 00:19:59,305 Otherwise we just can't make sense 362 00:19:59,405 --> 00:20:00,807 of the rage that bursts forth. 363 00:20:00,907 --> 00:20:02,975 And what's interesting about 1857 is that 364 00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:04,243 certainly in Delhi in the documents 365 00:20:04,343 --> 00:20:06,312 we've been studying here over the last 3 years, 366 00:20:06,412 --> 00:20:10,349 is that the expression of resistance in Delhi 367 00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:12,351 is done in religious terms. 368 00:20:12,452 --> 00:20:14,387 The British are the people who destroy 369 00:20:14,487 --> 00:20:15,888 all religions. 370 00:20:22,261 --> 00:20:23,963 WOMAN: What has happened to our guns? 371 00:20:24,063 --> 00:20:26,099 WOOD: the rebel leaders like the Rani of Jhansi, 372 00:20:26,199 --> 00:20:29,202 who died fighting, became national heroes. 373 00:20:29,302 --> 00:20:32,004 To get at them, I have to blow up the temple. 374 00:20:32,105 --> 00:20:33,306 Then blow them up. 375 00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:35,141 Our country above our religion. 376 00:20:35,241 --> 00:20:36,409 Ohh! 377 00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:46,452 FAROOQI: There is a violence that bursts forth, you know, 378 00:20:46,552 --> 00:20:47,987 in a turbulent wave, 379 00:20:48,087 --> 00:20:50,256 which totally takes the English by surprise. 380 00:20:50,356 --> 00:20:51,424 DALRYMPLE: No prisoners are taken. 381 00:20:51,524 --> 00:20:52,959 FAROOQI: They are completely shocked by the kind 382 00:20:53,059 --> 00:20:55,461 of violence that has manifested by the Sepoys. 383 00:20:55,561 --> 00:20:59,398 And the British respond in kind and--and worse, 384 00:20:59,499 --> 00:21:00,566 and they level whole cities. 385 00:21:00,666 --> 00:21:03,603 Delhi, which is a city of 100,000 people, 386 00:21:03,703 --> 00:21:06,472 which contains around 250,000 people 387 00:21:06,572 --> 00:21:08,508 at the time the British attack it, 388 00:21:08,608 --> 00:21:11,010 refugees and the Sepoys and so on, 389 00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:14,580 is left a completely empty ruin. 390 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,482 There is not a single human being left 391 00:21:16,582 --> 00:21:17,984 in the city by the time 392 00:21:18,084 --> 00:21:19,619 the British are finished with it. 393 00:21:24,690 --> 00:21:26,793 WOOD: For the British, the most evocative place 394 00:21:26,893 --> 00:21:28,528 in the story was Lucknow, 395 00:21:28,628 --> 00:21:31,998 scene of the heroic defense of their residency. 396 00:21:32,098 --> 00:21:33,766 After the victory, journalists picked 397 00:21:33,866 --> 00:21:37,303 their way over ruins, using the new art of photography 398 00:21:37,403 --> 00:21:39,405 to record the destruction... 399 00:21:41,207 --> 00:21:43,109 Though some shots of the damage and cruelty 400 00:21:43,209 --> 00:21:46,512 inflicted by the British in their frenzy of revenge 401 00:21:46,612 --> 00:21:49,582 were not published at the time. 402 00:21:49,682 --> 00:21:51,017 In the immediate aftermath 403 00:21:51,117 --> 00:21:54,086 of the great rebellion of 1857-8, 404 00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:57,757 a European photographer, Felice Beato, 405 00:21:57,857 --> 00:22:02,695 took an amazing top shot of the whole city. 406 00:22:02,795 --> 00:22:05,064 It's just laid out here before us, 407 00:22:05,164 --> 00:22:09,235 the great Imambara with the minarets. 408 00:22:09,335 --> 00:22:10,803 In the middle of the panorama, 409 00:22:10,903 --> 00:22:15,141 you can see the mosque of Aurangzeb by the river there, 410 00:22:15,241 --> 00:22:17,410 painted white now. 411 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:21,480 A British cavalry regiment camped just down there 412 00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:24,684 in the courtyard with their tents, 413 00:22:24,784 --> 00:22:26,385 their horses grazing, 414 00:22:26,485 --> 00:22:29,422 and in fact, you can just see their washing 415 00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:31,691 by the side of the road on a washing line. 416 00:22:31,791 --> 00:22:34,026 Those look like long johns to me. 417 00:22:39,332 --> 00:22:41,801 "We have power of life and death in our hands," 418 00:22:41,901 --> 00:22:43,269 wrote one British officer, 419 00:22:43,369 --> 00:22:47,506 "and I assure you we spare not." 420 00:22:47,607 --> 00:22:49,609 Writing for the "New York Daily Tribune," 421 00:22:49,709 --> 00:22:51,777 Karl Marx railed against the failure 422 00:22:51,878 --> 00:22:55,214 of the British press to cover British atrocities. 423 00:22:55,314 --> 00:22:57,383 "The cruelty of the Sepoys," he said, 424 00:22:57,483 --> 00:23:01,721 "is only the reflex of England's own conduct in India. 425 00:23:01,821 --> 00:23:06,259 "The European troops have become fiends." 426 00:23:08,527 --> 00:23:09,595 DALRYMPLE: In real history, 427 00:23:09,695 --> 00:23:10,897 things do not have sharp endings. 428 00:23:10,997 --> 00:23:12,798 only periods that flood into each other, 429 00:23:12,899 --> 00:23:15,534 but 1857 is a very clear 430 00:23:15,635 --> 00:23:17,470 open-and-shut case. 431 00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:21,674 1857, the East India Company ends, the Moghuls end. 432 00:23:21,774 --> 00:23:24,110 The 2 principle forces that have guided 433 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:26,545 Indian history for the past 300 years, 434 00:23:26,646 --> 00:23:28,147 come to an abrupt end, 435 00:23:28,247 --> 00:23:30,416 and immediately you get the British government 436 00:23:30,516 --> 00:23:32,652 imposing direct rule from London. 437 00:23:32,752 --> 00:23:34,120 Very soon after this, Disraeli goes 438 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:35,288 to Queen Victoria and says, 439 00:23:35,388 --> 00:23:37,089 "Will you be Empress of India?" 440 00:23:42,128 --> 00:23:44,397 WOOD: Of course, history is never black and white. 441 00:23:44,497 --> 00:23:46,966 The war divided North Indian society. 442 00:23:47,066 --> 00:23:49,101 Some saw British rule as progress, 443 00:23:49,201 --> 00:23:51,370 a chance to break with the old ways. 444 00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:53,105 Others though were implacable 445 00:23:53,205 --> 00:23:55,041 in their resistance, as I discovered 446 00:23:55,141 --> 00:23:57,877 when I met the descendents of 2 Indian families 447 00:23:57,977 --> 00:24:00,079 who were on opposite sides. 448 00:24:00,179 --> 00:24:01,681 This is the Grand Trunk Road 449 00:24:01,781 --> 00:24:04,550 coming northwards from Kanpur. 450 00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:06,752 We're looking for one of the most extraordinary 451 00:24:06,852 --> 00:24:10,189 stories in the aftermath of 1857. 452 00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:14,727 And the person who knows more about it 453 00:24:14,827 --> 00:24:16,662 than anyone alive is an Indian scholar, 454 00:24:16,762 --> 00:24:19,732 who comes form a village just up the road. 455 00:24:19,832 --> 00:24:21,233 We've arranged to meet at a place 456 00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:23,669 where there's a brick kiln and a temple, 457 00:24:23,769 --> 00:24:26,739 and he'll be wearing a red Himalayan shawl. 458 00:24:49,061 --> 00:24:52,665 A red Himalayan hat. I didn't hear him right. 459 00:24:54,734 --> 00:24:59,672 Ha ha ha! 460 00:24:59,772 --> 00:25:01,007 Very nice to meet you. 461 00:25:01,107 --> 00:25:03,342 Ha ha ha! 462 00:25:03,442 --> 00:25:05,211 This is Jeremy and Callum. 463 00:25:05,311 --> 00:25:07,446 So we've made it, fantastic. 464 00:25:07,546 --> 00:25:10,683 Now look, I will have to take you to Bareh. 465 00:25:10,783 --> 00:25:12,785 The Raja is insistent. 466 00:25:12,885 --> 00:25:16,522 You can't have a picture with only the collaborators. 467 00:25:16,622 --> 00:25:19,759 You must have a real, real rebel. 468 00:25:19,859 --> 00:25:21,060 Thank you very much. 469 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,661 WOOD: People still think about it 470 00:25:22,762 --> 00:25:25,231 as collaborators, do they? 471 00:25:25,331 --> 00:25:27,333 MEHROTRA: I am not, you know-- WOOD: 150 years-- 472 00:25:27,433 --> 00:25:29,635 MEHROTRA: I can't feel guilty about it. 473 00:25:29,735 --> 00:25:31,037 Come. Have your friends follow me. 474 00:25:31,137 --> 00:25:32,538 [Car horn honks] 475 00:25:32,638 --> 00:25:34,073 WOOD: Don't get run over. 476 00:25:34,173 --> 00:25:36,742 We've haven't done the interview yet! 477 00:25:36,842 --> 00:25:38,344 Sriram is the historian 478 00:25:38,444 --> 00:25:40,279 of the Indian National Congress, 479 00:25:40,379 --> 00:25:44,850 the freedom movement that arose out of the struggles of 1857. 480 00:25:46,285 --> 00:25:47,953 MAN: That's the ancestral house. 481 00:25:48,054 --> 00:25:49,121 WOOD: Your house? 482 00:25:49,221 --> 00:25:52,124 MAN: Yes. WOOD: Wow. 483 00:25:52,224 --> 00:25:53,759 But like everyone in India, 484 00:25:53,859 --> 00:25:55,761 he has his own stake in the story. 485 00:25:55,861 --> 00:25:58,097 His ancestors sided with the British, 486 00:25:58,197 --> 00:26:02,468 believing in their order, their future. 487 00:26:02,568 --> 00:26:05,237 Heh heh heh. Unstoppable, isn't he? 488 00:26:11,544 --> 00:26:12,912 WOOD: This is the fort? MAN: Yes. 489 00:26:13,012 --> 00:26:14,914 WOOD: So this fort was your ancestors' fort? 490 00:26:15,014 --> 00:26:16,082 MAN: Yes. 491 00:26:16,182 --> 00:26:18,117 WOOD: So are you officially still a Raja? 492 00:26:18,217 --> 00:26:20,453 SINGH: Oh, no. Rajas are over now. 493 00:26:20,553 --> 00:26:21,854 WOOD: Rajas are over? 494 00:26:24,223 --> 00:26:26,725 An hour or so out into the countryside, 495 00:26:26,826 --> 00:26:28,594 we reached Bareh-- 496 00:26:28,694 --> 00:26:30,963 the descendants of the collaborator 497 00:26:31,063 --> 00:26:34,767 and the resister and the oppressor. 498 00:26:35,901 --> 00:26:38,938 Wow, that's impressive, isn't it? 499 00:26:39,038 --> 00:26:40,506 What was this here? 500 00:26:40,606 --> 00:26:41,874 MEHROTA: The ladies' apartment. 501 00:26:41,974 --> 00:26:44,210 WOOD: The ladies' apartment? 502 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:46,479 Fantastic, isn't it? 503 00:26:52,751 --> 00:26:56,288 And this is what they were fighting for. 504 00:26:56,388 --> 00:27:00,826 MEHROTA: That's India which you can call the eternal, 505 00:27:00,926 --> 00:27:03,095 the unchanging. 506 00:27:22,581 --> 00:27:25,084 WOOD: So what happened here in 18577 507 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,388 You were the rebels. 508 00:27:30,456 --> 00:27:32,091 First the War of Independence, 509 00:27:32,191 --> 00:27:34,260 they call it now, don't they? 510 00:27:36,428 --> 00:27:38,497 These were the local rebel commanders? 511 00:27:39,698 --> 00:27:41,734 WOOD: Oh. The Rani of Jhansi? SINGH: Yes, yes. 512 00:27:41,834 --> 00:27:44,136 WOOD: She was the heroine, 513 00:27:44,236 --> 00:27:46,839 the Joan of Arc of the resistance. 514 00:27:51,043 --> 00:27:52,678 "Nana's coming! Nana's coming!" 515 00:27:52,778 --> 00:27:55,381 It was Nana who attacked Lucknow. 516 00:27:57,883 --> 00:27:59,084 So these were the greatest 517 00:27:59,185 --> 00:28:01,820 of the rebel leaders. yeah. 518 00:28:01,921 --> 00:28:04,223 So your family were committed to fighting 519 00:28:04,323 --> 00:28:05,391 against the British? 520 00:28:05,491 --> 00:28:06,592 SINGH: Yes. WOOD: Yeah. 521 00:28:06,692 --> 00:28:08,694 And what happened here? 522 00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:26,045 WOOD: And here in Bareh, 523 00:28:26,145 --> 00:28:29,081 in the baking summer heat of the Jumna Plain, 524 00:28:29,181 --> 00:28:32,985 a long way into my journey in search of the story of India, 525 00:28:33,085 --> 00:28:35,187 I felt enveloped by the greatness 526 00:28:35,287 --> 00:28:39,525 of Indian history, by those terrible events 527 00:28:39,625 --> 00:28:45,097 150 years ago that seemed to have only happened yesterday. 528 00:28:53,405 --> 00:28:54,573 SINGH: Had their guns on that side. 529 00:28:54,673 --> 00:28:55,874 WOOD: Uh-huh. 530 00:29:00,212 --> 00:29:01,647 The 2 of you may be-- 531 00:29:01,747 --> 00:29:05,284 represent 2 different Indian views 532 00:29:05,384 --> 00:29:08,220 of all these great events, these great events. 533 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,855 I am not ashamed of the fact that 534 00:29:09,955 --> 00:29:13,158 my ancestors cooperated with the British. 535 00:29:13,259 --> 00:29:16,729 Situated as they were, and being educated, 536 00:29:16,829 --> 00:29:19,265 they knew the might and the resources of the British. 537 00:29:19,365 --> 00:29:21,734 WOOD: Your view different-- is different? 538 00:29:32,845 --> 00:29:34,213 It was a matter of honor, 539 00:29:34,313 --> 00:29:36,482 "We have nothing to lose, we fight." 540 00:29:43,188 --> 00:29:46,725 Your father was a rebel with Gandhi? 541 00:29:46,825 --> 00:29:48,227 Yeah, yeah. He joined Gandhi, yes. 542 00:29:52,831 --> 00:29:55,801 So the freedom struggle is rooted in your family? 543 00:30:01,874 --> 00:30:03,976 And to see how the freedom struggle 544 00:30:04,076 --> 00:30:05,678 came out of the mutiny, 545 00:30:05,778 --> 00:30:11,183 you need first to come back to the district capital Etawah 546 00:30:11,283 --> 00:30:13,719 because here lived one of the key figures 547 00:30:13,819 --> 00:30:15,821 in the beginning of the freedom movement, 548 00:30:15,921 --> 00:30:20,192 and believe it or not, he was a British civil servant. 549 00:30:20,292 --> 00:30:22,428 He built this school. 550 00:30:24,897 --> 00:30:27,700 A.O. Hume fought here against the rebels 551 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,468 but then began to speak out 552 00:30:29,568 --> 00:30:31,937 for Indian self-determination. 553 00:30:34,306 --> 00:30:36,842 He believed in the power 554 00:30:36,942 --> 00:30:38,744 of imperialism to do good, I suppose. 555 00:30:38,844 --> 00:30:39,978 You could put it that way, could you? 556 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,748 SINGH: He was rather a kind of an--what should I say-- 557 00:30:42,848 --> 00:30:44,683 a cultural imperialist. 558 00:30:46,218 --> 00:30:48,620 WOOD: Hume helped start the independence movement 559 00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:50,789 by bringing together the best young Indians 560 00:30:50,889 --> 00:30:53,959 to form the Indian National Congress. 561 00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:55,794 That's him in the middle. 562 00:30:55,894 --> 00:30:58,397 His is one of the great untold Indian stories. 563 00:30:58,497 --> 00:31:00,799 In fact, Sriram thinks that Hume is almost 564 00:31:00,899 --> 00:31:02,901 as important as Gandhi. 565 00:31:04,069 --> 00:31:06,138 MEHROTA: It was their duty as trustees 566 00:31:06,238 --> 00:31:08,240 of the Indian empire to prepare 567 00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:10,109 the people of this country 568 00:31:10,209 --> 00:31:12,111 to take the destiny of their country 569 00:31:12,211 --> 00:31:13,379 in their own hands. 570 00:31:13,479 --> 00:31:14,546 So that's what the British-- 571 00:31:14,646 --> 00:31:15,781 That's what Hume thought the British 572 00:31:15,881 --> 00:31:16,949 should work towards. 573 00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:19,251 This is what the British should work towards, 574 00:31:19,351 --> 00:31:22,521 and when they are ready for self-government 575 00:31:22,621 --> 00:31:24,823 to hand over their trust to them and to retire 576 00:31:24,923 --> 00:31:26,225 from this country 577 00:31:26,325 --> 00:31:27,726 because if they retire 578 00:31:27,826 --> 00:31:29,962 after doing this much, 579 00:31:30,062 --> 00:31:31,797 they will have done 2 things. 580 00:31:31,897 --> 00:31:34,767 First you have trained a people in self-government, 581 00:31:34,867 --> 00:31:39,138 and second, to have ensured that their own 582 00:31:39,238 --> 00:31:42,274 commerce and culture would continue. 583 00:31:44,543 --> 00:31:48,614 WOOD: The first meeting of the congress, Bombay, 1885. 584 00:31:48,714 --> 00:31:51,550 In the center, the only white man, Hume, 585 00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:53,419 the rebel in the Raj. 586 00:32:00,592 --> 00:32:03,595 In the 1880s, they also gained a free press 587 00:32:03,695 --> 00:32:06,498 when the British lifted their restrictions, 588 00:32:06,598 --> 00:32:09,301 and a flood of hundreds of papers hit the stands, 589 00:32:09,401 --> 00:32:12,971 mainly vernacular ones which the British couldn't control. 590 00:32:15,707 --> 00:32:17,776 The British period would be brief, 591 00:32:17,876 --> 00:32:20,078 a blip in the story of India, 592 00:32:20,179 --> 00:32:21,947 but the Raj would see the birth 593 00:32:22,047 --> 00:32:25,951 of the idea of India as 1 nation, 594 00:32:26,051 --> 00:32:29,688 unified as much by the idea as by the railways, 595 00:32:29,788 --> 00:32:32,357 maps, and communications. 596 00:32:34,393 --> 00:32:36,762 The British Raj was one of the most ingenious 597 00:32:36,862 --> 00:32:39,298 and adaptive empires in history, 598 00:32:39,398 --> 00:32:41,300 an immense patchwork embracing 599 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,303 nearly a quarter of the people of the planet, 600 00:32:44,403 --> 00:32:46,872 an arrangement so extraordinary that 601 00:32:46,972 --> 00:32:50,742 it's scarcely believable that it existed on the ground, 602 00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:52,144 but it did... 603 00:32:52,244 --> 00:32:53,312 Hello. 604 00:32:53,412 --> 00:32:57,216 And this is the Archive of British India. 605 00:32:57,316 --> 00:32:58,817 MAN: This building was constructed 606 00:32:58,917 --> 00:32:59,985 by the British people. 607 00:33:00,085 --> 00:33:02,588 WOOD: Amazing. 608 00:33:02,688 --> 00:33:05,691 So it contains all the government records. 609 00:33:05,791 --> 00:33:07,059 MAN: Yes, these are all government records. 610 00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:08,794 WOOD: Just look at this! 611 00:33:08,894 --> 00:33:11,396 But imperialism is never benign. 612 00:33:11,497 --> 00:33:13,632 MAN: We have 30 kilometers 613 00:33:13,732 --> 00:33:15,434 of lined-up shelf space. 614 00:33:15,534 --> 00:33:16,635 WOOD: 30 kilometers. 615 00:33:16,735 --> 00:33:18,270 MAN: yes, here in this building, 616 00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:19,438 and in addition to this building, 617 00:33:19,538 --> 00:33:20,606 then in the next building, 618 00:33:20,706 --> 00:33:21,773 we have another 40 kilometers 619 00:33:21,874 --> 00:33:22,941 of lined-up shelf space. 620 00:33:23,041 --> 00:33:25,043 WOOD: So 70 kilometers of documents. 621 00:33:25,143 --> 00:33:27,346 MAN: Total we have 70 kilometers. 622 00:33:27,446 --> 00:33:30,282 WOOD: This is the social history of India, isn't it? 623 00:33:32,518 --> 00:33:35,587 For such forms of knowledge are never neutral. 624 00:33:38,023 --> 00:33:40,459 WOMAN: By the middle of the 19th century, 625 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,428 the nature of colonialism in India is changing 626 00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:45,497 from a relatively benign, 627 00:33:45,597 --> 00:33:47,099 what we call orientalist phase of colonialism. 628 00:33:47,199 --> 00:33:50,936 This is now an arrogant Britain, 629 00:33:51,036 --> 00:33:53,405 the first country of the industrial revolution 630 00:33:53,505 --> 00:33:54,806 ruling the world, 631 00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,409 and then from the 1850s, the competition 632 00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:58,944 worldwide for colonies. 633 00:33:59,044 --> 00:34:01,580 Other countries are coming up and competing for colonies. 634 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,416 So therefore, there's a great need to have 635 00:34:04,516 --> 00:34:11,056 a very systematic ordering of peoples' lives, 636 00:34:11,156 --> 00:34:13,358 the information and everything relating to them. 637 00:34:13,458 --> 00:34:15,627 And how did they set about it in terms 638 00:34:15,727 --> 00:34:18,530 of defining the people of India? 639 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,533 MUKHERJEE: This is the report which is preparing 640 00:34:21,633 --> 00:34:24,036 for the first census of 1881, 641 00:34:24,136 --> 00:34:27,539 and the first item in this is about religion, 642 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,509 and once you begin counting people according 643 00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:32,110 to their religious origin, 644 00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:34,446 then when politics comes in, 645 00:34:34,546 --> 00:34:37,549 religion then becomes a religious community. 646 00:34:37,649 --> 00:34:42,254 At the turn of the century, for example, in 1909, 647 00:34:42,354 --> 00:34:45,123 there was a big debate that started 648 00:34:45,223 --> 00:34:47,125 that Hindus were actually going to disappear 649 00:34:47,225 --> 00:34:49,428 because, in fact, one of the census commissioners 650 00:34:49,528 --> 00:34:50,963 of Bengal made a statement 651 00:34:51,063 --> 00:34:53,699 that if the Muslims continue to grow at this rate, 652 00:34:53,799 --> 00:34:55,233 Hindus will disappear. 653 00:34:55,334 --> 00:34:57,235 And then some Hindus took it up and said, 654 00:34:57,336 --> 00:34:58,937 Hindu's a dying race. 655 00:34:59,037 --> 00:35:00,339 Similarly, the Muslims. 656 00:35:00,439 --> 00:35:02,674 when they took their first delegation, 657 00:35:02,774 --> 00:35:04,910 out of which the Muslim League was formed, 658 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,112 and the went to see the viceroy, they said, 659 00:35:07,212 --> 00:35:09,448 "We number so much. 660 00:35:09,548 --> 00:35:11,550 "We are outnumbered by the Hindus. 661 00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:13,552 "If you are going to have a representative system 662 00:35:13,652 --> 00:35:17,422 "which is based on majorities principle of election, 663 00:35:17,522 --> 00:35:18,590 "we are never going to be there" 664 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:20,993 because "we" now means Muslims. 665 00:35:21,093 --> 00:35:23,161 The implication of that seems to be, 666 00:35:23,261 --> 00:35:26,832 that by defining an Indian people in this way, 667 00:35:26,932 --> 00:35:31,436 the British set a path for the way that Indians 668 00:35:31,536 --> 00:35:34,072 would construe their path to independence. 669 00:35:34,172 --> 00:35:35,307 MUKHERJEE: Absolutely right. 670 00:35:35,407 --> 00:35:37,309 And we are still living with that legacy, 671 00:35:37,409 --> 00:35:40,312 we're struggling with it, we fall victim to it, 672 00:35:40,412 --> 00:35:44,049 we resist it, but it is still with us. 673 00:35:46,618 --> 00:35:49,621 WOOD: Subjects of the greatest empire the world had ever seen, 674 00:35:49,721 --> 00:35:53,825 the Indian people were drawn into Britain's world conflicts. 675 00:35:56,294 --> 00:35:58,530 In the first world war, Indians fought 676 00:35:58,630 --> 00:36:01,433 for the king emperor in the trenches of Flanders 677 00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:03,435 and the deserts or Iraq. 678 00:36:11,243 --> 00:36:14,046 But when the war was over, the freedom movement, 679 00:36:14,146 --> 00:36:17,015 led by the Congress Party and the Muslim League, 680 00:36:17,115 --> 00:36:19,451 who now represented a Muslim electorate, 681 00:36:19,551 --> 00:36:21,987 were expecting a payoff. 682 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:28,960 For more than 2 million Indians who fought 683 00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:30,696 in the war on behalf of the British, 684 00:36:30,796 --> 00:36:33,298 thousands had been killed, 685 00:36:33,398 --> 00:36:36,535 but still there was a loyalty to Britain 686 00:36:36,635 --> 00:36:39,237 despite a strong home rule movement, 687 00:36:39,337 --> 00:36:42,474 but the British rewarded that loyalty by imposing 688 00:36:42,574 --> 00:36:46,344 the wartime sedition laws in peacetime-- 689 00:36:46,445 --> 00:36:49,981 no trial, no lawyer, no appeal. 690 00:36:52,751 --> 00:36:54,720 Only months after the end of the war, 691 00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:57,956 a peaceful demonstration took place in the Punjab, 692 00:36:58,056 --> 00:37:01,259 in the Sikh holy city of Amritsar. 693 00:37:03,729 --> 00:37:07,399 The callous ineptitude of the British General Dyer 694 00:37:07,499 --> 00:37:10,068 would make Amritsar a notorious name 695 00:37:10,168 --> 00:37:12,971 in the history of Britain and India. 696 00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:16,475 MAN: Aim! 697 00:37:19,177 --> 00:37:20,245 Fire! 698 00:37:20,345 --> 00:37:21,513 MAN: Fire! 699 00:37:24,883 --> 00:37:27,152 Take your time! 700 00:37:28,887 --> 00:37:31,523 MAN: They come here from this passage. 701 00:37:31,623 --> 00:37:34,159 This was the only entry or exit. 702 00:37:34,259 --> 00:37:37,429 they put the guns here, open fire on the public. 703 00:37:37,529 --> 00:37:38,597 WOOD: So there was no warning? 704 00:37:38,697 --> 00:37:39,965 MAN: No warning. 705 00:37:42,234 --> 00:37:43,401 WOOD: How big was the crowd? 706 00:37:43,502 --> 00:37:45,704 MAN: About 20,000 people had gathered there. 707 00:37:45,804 --> 00:37:47,239 WOOD: 20,000! 708 00:37:49,341 --> 00:37:51,343 [Gunfire continues] 709 00:37:55,313 --> 00:37:57,549 WOOD: At least 400 people were killed that day 710 00:37:57,649 --> 00:37:59,851 and 1,500 injured. 711 00:38:07,325 --> 00:38:09,828 Did you have family members present that day? 712 00:38:09,928 --> 00:38:12,364 My grandfather, Dr. S.C. Mukherjee, 713 00:38:12,464 --> 00:38:15,133 he was present on that happening but luckily escaped, 714 00:38:15,233 --> 00:38:17,769 and since then, we are looking after this. 715 00:38:21,273 --> 00:38:24,409 WOOD: On such moments, history can turn. 716 00:38:24,509 --> 00:38:27,078 The Amritsar Massacre gave an irresistible impetuous 717 00:38:27,179 --> 00:38:29,815 to the freedom movement. 718 00:38:29,915 --> 00:38:33,685 The main players were all British-educated lawyers: 719 00:38:33,785 --> 00:38:36,822 the canny Mohandas K. Gandhi: 720 00:38:36,922 --> 00:38:39,724 the brilliant Mohammed Jinnah of the Muslim League; 721 00:38:39,825 --> 00:38:43,895 and Jawaharlal Nehru, the austere star of congress. 722 00:38:43,995 --> 00:38:45,096 Together, they were to plan 723 00:38:45,197 --> 00:38:48,166 one of history's greatest revolutions, 724 00:38:48,266 --> 00:38:53,038 driven by the ancient Indian idea of non-violence. 725 00:38:56,308 --> 00:38:59,811 MAN: They were great times and rare times 726 00:38:59,911 --> 00:39:04,916 and unique times, I always think, 727 00:39:05,016 --> 00:39:07,519 and I'm glad that I lived almost 728 00:39:07,619 --> 00:39:10,288 through all these times. 729 00:39:10,388 --> 00:39:14,759 WOOD: Aged 95, P.D. Tandon has died since we met. 730 00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:16,995 He was an old Nehru family friend, 731 00:39:17,095 --> 00:39:20,031 a freedom fighter in the 1930s and 1940s. 732 00:39:20,131 --> 00:39:22,467 So you had a sense of being present 733 00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:24,669 when history was being made. 734 00:39:35,513 --> 00:39:39,351 For 14 months? When was this? 735 00:39:39,451 --> 00:39:41,119 19427 736 00:39:41,219 --> 00:39:43,054 You knew Nehru from the early days. 737 00:39:43,154 --> 00:39:45,924 Was it apparent even then that 738 00:39:46,024 --> 00:39:48,560 he was a man marked by destiny? 739 00:39:52,998 --> 00:39:54,199 Ha ha ha! 740 00:40:14,219 --> 00:40:16,254 Very confident and sure of himself? 741 00:40:16,354 --> 00:40:17,856 TANDON: Yes, that is right. 742 00:40:17,956 --> 00:40:20,058 You must have got to know Gandhi well, also. 743 00:40:20,158 --> 00:40:22,427 Oh, yes, I knew him, too. 744 00:40:22,527 --> 00:40:24,729 WOOD: What kind of impression did he make on you? 745 00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:28,967 Many people speak of his magic spell on people. 746 00:40:29,067 --> 00:40:31,336 Tell us what you thought. 747 00:40:51,089 --> 00:40:52,958 WOOD: Today, the Anand Bhavan, 748 00:40:53,058 --> 00:40:55,060 the Nehru family house in Allahabad, 749 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,663 is a shrine to India's struggle for freedom. 750 00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,136 MAN: They're worshipping Gandhi, 751 00:41:05,236 --> 00:41:06,972 they're worshipping Nehru. 752 00:41:07,072 --> 00:41:08,139 They were the greatest, 753 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,408 greatest people of our country. 754 00:41:10,508 --> 00:41:12,777 WOOD: So Gandhiji is not forgotten? 755 00:41:12,877 --> 00:41:14,079 MAN: Never! WOOD: Never? 756 00:41:14,179 --> 00:41:15,480 MAN: Never, never! 757 00:41:16,881 --> 00:41:21,052 WOMAN: People do not realize how difficult 758 00:41:21,152 --> 00:41:22,821 it was to get freedom. 759 00:41:22,921 --> 00:41:26,691 Those who were not born, those who have not seen 760 00:41:26,791 --> 00:41:29,594 don't know what was freedom struggle. 761 00:41:29,694 --> 00:41:34,065 British rule--that it was a very disciplined rule. 762 00:41:34,165 --> 00:41:36,034 They accept this thing, 763 00:41:36,134 --> 00:41:41,172 but, you know, bondage nobody likes. 764 00:41:41,272 --> 00:41:43,475 Everybody likes to be free. 765 00:41:45,477 --> 00:41:46,611 WOOD: They were engaged 766 00:41:46,711 --> 00:41:47,946 in the greatest liberation struggle 767 00:41:48,046 --> 00:41:50,382 that had ever been in history, 768 00:41:50,482 --> 00:41:53,218 but what India did they hope for? 769 00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:56,421 Nehru and Gandhi wanted one secular India, 770 00:41:56,521 --> 00:41:57,856 but Jinnah had come to believe that 771 00:41:57,956 --> 00:42:00,458 Hindu and Muslim were "2 separate nations 772 00:42:00,558 --> 00:42:03,028 "that cannot live together." 773 00:42:05,697 --> 00:42:09,300 By 1940, the big 3 had fallen apart, 774 00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,770 and talk began of partition. 775 00:42:13,438 --> 00:42:15,974 MEHROTA: The British attitude towards the partition 776 00:42:16,074 --> 00:42:19,544 of India was slightly ambivalent. 777 00:42:19,644 --> 00:42:23,348 On the one hand, they had created this unity 778 00:42:23,448 --> 00:42:25,150 where there was none. 779 00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:32,290 They gloried in the fact that they had created a united India, 780 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:35,760 and they also knew that if India became divided, 781 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:40,298 all sorts of defense problems would arise. 782 00:42:40,398 --> 00:42:42,333 And they were also very conscious 783 00:42:42,434 --> 00:42:45,703 of the great divide between the Hindus and the Muslims. 784 00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:48,740 WOOD: Here in the viceroy's lodge 785 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,109 in Simla in 1946, 786 00:42:51,209 --> 00:42:53,311 the British tried too late to broker 787 00:42:53,411 --> 00:42:55,513 a loose federation comprising groups 788 00:42:55,613 --> 00:42:59,084 of Hindu and Muslim states under a central government, 789 00:42:59,184 --> 00:43:01,386 but the coalition collapsed in mistrust 790 00:43:01,486 --> 00:43:04,856 from both sides, and Jinnah finally pushed 791 00:43:04,956 --> 00:43:08,726 for a separate state for Muslims, Pakistan. 792 00:43:08,827 --> 00:43:11,563 MEHROTA: Jinnah had moved towards the idea of Pakistan. 793 00:43:11,663 --> 00:43:15,066 What he used to say, "After we have divided, 794 00:43:15,166 --> 00:43:17,535 "then we can come together, 795 00:43:17,635 --> 00:43:18,837 "then we can cooperate." 796 00:43:18,937 --> 00:43:20,905 This is what Maulana said. 797 00:43:21,005 --> 00:43:23,374 "This is divorce before marriage." 798 00:43:30,448 --> 00:43:33,017 WOOD: So finally in the summer of 1947, 799 00:43:33,118 --> 00:43:36,488 the British washed their hands of the problem, 800 00:43:36,588 --> 00:43:39,858 and with great pride and yet profound disappointment, 801 00:43:39,958 --> 00:43:42,460 Nehru accepted India's destiny. 802 00:43:45,063 --> 00:43:50,835 NEHRU: Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny, 803 00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:56,975 and now the time comes when we shall redeem our pledge, 804 00:43:57,075 --> 00:44:04,315 not wholly or in full measure but very substantially. 805 00:44:04,415 --> 00:44:07,452 At the stroke of the midnight hour 806 00:44:07,552 --> 00:44:09,554 when the world sleeps, 807 00:44:09,654 --> 00:44:13,091 India will awake to life and freedom. 808 00:44:14,726 --> 00:44:16,327 WOOD: But a partitioned India 809 00:44:16,427 --> 00:44:18,463 with Muslim Pakistan itself 810 00:44:18,563 --> 00:44:20,798 divided by 2,000 miles 811 00:44:20,899 --> 00:44:24,335 from east to west. 812 00:44:24,435 --> 00:44:26,237 On the 2 sides of India, 813 00:44:26,337 --> 00:44:28,239 in the Punjab and Bengal, 814 00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:30,508 the dividing line between Muslim and Hindu 815 00:44:30,608 --> 00:44:32,944 had been drawn up by a British civil servant 816 00:44:33,044 --> 00:44:37,582 in 6 weeks using information gathered from the censuses. 817 00:44:37,682 --> 00:44:40,618 The line ran through fields and communities, 818 00:44:40,718 --> 00:44:44,322 across railways, roads, and irrigation schemes. 819 00:44:44,422 --> 00:44:45,757 It went through villages 820 00:44:45,857 --> 00:44:48,393 and even through individual houses, 821 00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:50,461 and it cut through the deepest layers 822 00:44:50,562 --> 00:44:52,530 of the history of the subcontinent. 823 00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:55,500 MAN: Hello, very nice to meet you. 824 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,368 WOOD: I'm Michael. 825 00:44:57,468 --> 00:44:58,937 So how old is Mr. Swaran? 826 00:44:59,037 --> 00:45:00,838 [Man speaking native language] 827 00:45:03,541 --> 00:45:05,343 SINGH: 82. WOOD: 827? 828 00:45:05,443 --> 00:45:08,479 You are in fine form. Ha ha ha! 829 00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:09,948 WOOD: To make matters worse, 830 00:45:10,048 --> 00:45:12,150 the British kept the line secret 831 00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:15,220 till after independence on the 15th of August, 832 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,523 and they were culpably negligent in failing to provide troops 833 00:45:18,623 --> 00:45:22,126 to protect the people in the ethnic cleansing that followed, 834 00:45:22,227 --> 00:45:24,462 when Hindu, Sikh, and Muslim began 835 00:45:24,562 --> 00:45:26,297 to kill each other. 836 00:45:26,397 --> 00:45:28,166 And the village was just over the border 837 00:45:28,266 --> 00:45:30,168 in what is now Pakistan, is that right? 838 00:45:30,268 --> 00:45:32,337 SINGH: Pakistan. WOOD: Yeah, yeah. 839 00:45:34,706 --> 00:45:37,208 WOOD: Sikhs? SINGH: Sikhs. 840 00:46:33,798 --> 00:46:38,469 WOOD: 17 members of your family? Yeah, yeah. 841 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:45,510 WOOD: In the summer of 1947, that story was repeated 842 00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:50,415 across the Punjab as great floods of people fled in fear: 843 00:46:50,515 --> 00:46:53,051 Hindus and Sikhs eastwards into India, 844 00:46:53,151 --> 00:46:56,321 Muslims westwards into the new Pakistan. 845 00:46:56,421 --> 00:46:58,356 14 million people, 846 00:46:58,456 --> 00:47:01,292 the largest migration in history, 847 00:47:01,392 --> 00:47:04,395 and up to a million died. 848 00:47:04,495 --> 00:47:08,833 We console ourselves by talking of common human feeling, 849 00:47:08,933 --> 00:47:12,770 but there are times in history when there is no such thing. 850 00:47:18,476 --> 00:47:20,945 But could the partition have been avoided? 851 00:47:21,045 --> 00:47:23,147 What if the Congress and the Muslim League 852 00:47:23,247 --> 00:47:27,118 had made concessions and accepted the federation? 853 00:47:27,218 --> 00:47:29,954 Why did the British have to rush independence? 854 00:47:30,054 --> 00:47:31,956 Could the slaughter have been avoided 855 00:47:32,056 --> 00:47:33,858 if they'd provided a few battalions 856 00:47:33,958 --> 00:47:36,761 to protect the refugees, 857 00:47:36,861 --> 00:47:38,329 and will India and Pakistan 858 00:47:38,429 --> 00:47:42,200 come back together again as Jinnah hoped? 859 00:47:51,676 --> 00:47:54,512 A few miles inside the Pakistani border, 860 00:47:54,612 --> 00:47:56,948 we found Swaran Singh's old village, 861 00:47:57,048 --> 00:48:00,885 still with its Hindu name! 862 00:48:00,985 --> 00:48:06,324 This was the place he left as a boy in terror in 1947 863 00:48:06,424 --> 00:48:10,561 after the murder of 17 of his family. 864 00:48:10,661 --> 00:48:14,165 Not me. Not me. OK, shokria, shokria. 865 00:48:14,265 --> 00:48:18,269 Yeah, OK. So we are in the right place. 866 00:48:18,369 --> 00:48:21,906 And the old people here, Muslims, had the same story-- 867 00:48:22,006 --> 00:48:24,842 uprooted, fleeing for their lives from India, 868 00:48:24,942 --> 00:48:26,911 but here at the end, they told a tale 869 00:48:27,011 --> 00:48:28,679 with a glimmer of hope. 870 00:49:01,579 --> 00:49:04,982 Were there cases where friends helped friends? 871 00:49:39,884 --> 00:49:41,152 TRANSLATOR: They still get letters. 872 00:49:41,252 --> 00:49:44,622 No! Wow, what an amazing story. 873 00:49:49,627 --> 00:49:51,896 History sometimes happens in a way which is 874 00:49:51,996 --> 00:49:54,432 not willed by the main participants. 875 00:49:54,532 --> 00:49:56,534 Nehru and Gandhi saw themselves 876 00:49:56,634 --> 00:50:00,104 as the great idealists but in the end failed 877 00:50:00,204 --> 00:50:03,341 to grasp the biggest prize. 878 00:50:03,441 --> 00:50:07,044 Jinnah was a convinced secular nationalist 879 00:50:07,144 --> 00:50:12,550 who only at the very end took an independent Pakistan, 880 00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:15,753 and as for the British, they were tried 881 00:50:15,853 --> 00:50:18,289 and found wanting. 882 00:50:25,129 --> 00:50:28,065 So that's how India and Pakistan got freedom 883 00:50:28,165 --> 00:50:30,368 60 years ago. 884 00:50:30,468 --> 00:50:32,770 It's not been plain sailing since. 885 00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:35,606 There's been 3 wars, nuclear bombs, 886 00:50:35,706 --> 00:50:38,242 they're still at loggerheads over Kashmir. 887 00:50:38,342 --> 00:50:41,245 In 1971, East Pakistan, with India's help, 888 00:50:41,345 --> 00:50:44,215 broke away and became Bangladesh, 889 00:50:44,315 --> 00:50:47,184 and India and Pakistan have not yet become 890 00:50:47,285 --> 00:50:51,889 the friends after the divorce that Jinnah hoped, 891 00:50:51,989 --> 00:50:55,560 but when the dust settles on 1947, 892 00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:58,162 that surely will come. 893 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,571 And as for India, the tale of the last 60 years 894 00:51:06,671 --> 00:51:09,974 is above all the triumph of democracy. 895 00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:14,478 MAN: To manage the art of building 896 00:51:14,579 --> 00:51:16,681 democratic and stable political institutions 897 00:51:16,781 --> 00:51:19,884 over 6 decades in a country which in the first 898 00:51:19,984 --> 00:51:24,055 20 years after independence was predicted to disintegrate, 899 00:51:24,155 --> 00:51:26,123 and it's begun freeing the creative energies 900 00:51:26,223 --> 00:51:27,692 of its people, which had been stifled 901 00:51:27,792 --> 00:51:29,460 by certain political and economic choices 902 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,662 made after 1947. 903 00:51:34,832 --> 00:51:36,968 We've seen a transformation of national level politics 904 00:51:37,068 --> 00:51:39,503 where we've gone from a dominant 1-party state 905 00:51:39,604 --> 00:51:40,938 to coalition governments. 906 00:51:41,038 --> 00:51:44,909 We've seen a transformation in the economy. 907 00:51:45,009 --> 00:51:47,912 WOOD: And its economy is making India a global giant 908 00:51:48,012 --> 00:51:50,114 in the new century. 909 00:51:50,214 --> 00:51:52,717 Soon to become the world's biggest population, 910 00:51:52,817 --> 00:51:55,086 by the 2030s it's predicted 911 00:51:55,186 --> 00:51:59,190 that India's GDP will overtake the United States 912 00:51:59,290 --> 00:52:01,425 and India will resume the position it has had 913 00:52:01,525 --> 00:52:03,294 for much of history. 914 00:52:03,394 --> 00:52:05,596 The world's biggest democracy is looking 915 00:52:05,696 --> 00:52:07,865 once more to the future. 916 00:52:11,102 --> 00:52:14,605 THAROOR: Indians are filled with a sense of the possible. 917 00:52:16,407 --> 00:52:18,442 There is a tremendous degree of optimism 918 00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:21,912 about the future, which I think is 919 00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:25,316 all the more interesting for coming from a people 920 00:52:25,416 --> 00:52:28,619 who in so many other ways are anchored in the past. 921 00:52:49,507 --> 00:52:52,309 WOOD: We've come on a journey of thousands of years 922 00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:53,878 and thousand of miles, 923 00:52:53,978 --> 00:52:56,714 a tale that began with the first migration 924 00:52:56,814 --> 00:52:59,083 of human beings out of Africa and ends 925 00:52:59,183 --> 00:53:02,720 at this point with India as a global power. 926 00:53:04,455 --> 00:53:08,392 Great civilizations over time develop responses, 927 00:53:08,492 --> 00:53:10,695 habits, cultural immune systems 928 00:53:10,795 --> 00:53:12,963 that enable them to absorb the shocks 929 00:53:13,064 --> 00:53:14,732 and wounds of history 930 00:53:14,832 --> 00:53:18,502 and also to use the gifts of history. 931 00:53:18,602 --> 00:53:22,373 Those are the habits of successful civilizations, 932 00:53:22,473 --> 00:53:24,709 and India has always done that, 933 00:53:24,809 --> 00:53:26,644 always renewing its gene pool, 934 00:53:26,744 --> 00:53:28,779 always being receptive to new ideas, 935 00:53:28,879 --> 00:53:30,648 and yet tenaciously holding on 936 00:53:30,748 --> 00:53:32,349 to that essential vision, 937 00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:35,986 that way of seeing the world which is Indian. 938 00:53:38,355 --> 00:53:41,992 "At the dawn of history" Nehru said 60 years ago, 939 00:53:42,093 --> 00:53:45,262 "India started on her unending quest, 940 00:53:45,362 --> 00:53:48,499 "and trackless centuries are filled with her striving 941 00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:52,670 "and the grandeur of her success and her failures. 942 00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:54,839 "Through good and ill fortune alike, 943 00:53:54,939 --> 00:53:58,175 "she has never lost sight of that quest or forgotten 944 00:53:58,275 --> 00:54:01,679 "the ideals which gave her strength, 945 00:54:01,779 --> 00:54:05,583 "and today, India discovers herself again. 946 00:54:05,683 --> 00:54:11,655 "India, the ancient, the eternal, and the ever-new." 947 00:54:21,799 --> 00:54:23,701 [Cheering] 73019

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