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You see that when you...
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MICHAEL WOOD: There are times
in the life of a civilization
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when history seems
to burst with possibilities.
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That's India
in the 21st century.
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This is the tale
of British occupation of India,
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the winning of freedom,
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and the establishment
of democracy,
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and with them,
all the possibilities
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of a hitherto
undreamed of future.
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What do you want to
be when you grow up
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and leave
the school?
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BOY: When I grow up, I'll be
a commercial pilot.
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WOOD: A commercial pilot!
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BOY: Doctor.
WOOD: A doctor.
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I want to be
a captain in the navy.
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WOOD: A captain in the navy.
BOY: Yeah.
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Archaeologist.
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WOOD: An archaeologist!
Fantastic!
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I want to be
a movie director
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A movie director!
Fantastic.
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WOOD: The Modern Age
is the next chapter
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in the story of India.
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The coast of South India.
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It was here in the 18th century
that a series of events began
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that would lead
to a small island
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off the shore
of Europe, Britain,
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coming to rule a vast empire
5,000 miles away in India...
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and in the process,
giving birth
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to the modern world.
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The tale of India's
last invader, the British,
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is a chain of accidents,
as so often in history,
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events that need never
have happened in the way
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that they did except
perhaps for some destiny
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written deep
in India's own past.
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Here in Tanjore
in the late 18th century,
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the armies
of a private multinational,
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the British East India Company,
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imposed their rule
on a civilization
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that had come down
from ancient times,
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still with its own distinctive
vision of the world.
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[Bells ringing]
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At that time while the Moghuls
still ruled in the north,
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South India was divided
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between many independent
princely states,
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but history was
on the move.
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The 18th century
rajas of Tanjore,
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men like Serfoji, were
importing European knowledge,
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and in their library here
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along with 50,0000
Indian manuscripts
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are books in English,
French, Italian, and Latin.
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SERFOJI: They're both
on palm leaf and paper.
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There are 25,000...
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WOOD:
Even without the British,
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India would still have taken
the path to modernity.
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Wow. isn't
that fantastic?
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So he was interested
in combining
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Indian and European?
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That's fascinating.
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SERFQOJI: Samuel Johnson's
dictionary.
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WOOD: Ha ha ha!
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Samuel Johnson's
dictionary.
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Fantastic.
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The first great dictionary
of the English language,
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and here itis
in the court
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of 18th century Tanjore.
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The very moment of the British
taking over in India,
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this kind of almost
like a renaissance culture
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is taking place.
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This library
when you think about it
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is as old as
the Bodleian library in Oxford,
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older by far than any library
in the United States,
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and maybe that's the hallmark
of all great civilizations,
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that they have the ability
to conserve their own genius
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but to bring in the discoveries
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of other civilizations
and incorporate them,
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and India has always had
the ability to do that,
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just as it does today.
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SERFOJI: He had a very deep
interest in medicine also.
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You can see here.
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Even it's fascinating to
know that he has imported
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a human skeleton
from London.
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He wants his doctors to be
taught about the anatomy.
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He was into polyglot
and polymath.
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WOOD: He spoke English,
I gather?
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SERFOJI: He spoke
several languages.
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So all this time,
Tanjore was under the rule
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of the British,
is that correct?
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Yeah. Actually what
happened, he had to--
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he was forced to undergo
a treaty with the British
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and from 1798 onwards,
so he was relieved
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of his powers
from maintaining his territory.
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WOOD: With Moghul power
in the north on the wane,
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India now found itself part
of the global confrontation
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between the European powers,
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and the South became
a theater of war
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between the armies
of the British
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and the French.
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And it was the ordinary people
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who were caught
in the crossfire.
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The key to the nascent
British empire
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was the new fort of Madras.
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WOMAN: By about 1650, 1660,
the Dutch, the Danish,
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the Portuguese,
all of them, you know,
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sort of become subservient
to the powers
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of the British
and the French.
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WOOD: So these are European
powers competing
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for empire
internationally,
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but here in south India,
this becomes
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a focus
for their rivalries.
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SATHYABAMA: Every time there
is some sort of a difference
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of opinion
or altercation in Europe
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between the French
and the English,
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that--what
shall we say--
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that is very
clearly reflected
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in the South India also.
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WOOD: It was a time of war
as European armies trekked
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back and forth
across South India.
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In the towns
of the old Cholan heartland,
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the dead lay unburied
in the streets.
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The great Tamil
temple enclosures
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were turned into forts
and prison camps
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as columns of
famine-stricken refugees
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fled the fighting.
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When you read British accounts
of these wars
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in the late 18th century,
you get actually
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a very horrifying impression
of armies of British
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and French crisscrossing
the Tamil land.
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Terrible massacres
are taking place
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of the kind that
we see today
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in, you know, Darfur
or Iraq almost.
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I mean, thousands
of Tamils were killed.
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It must have been
a terrible time in the south.
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SATHYABAMA:
It must have been.
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the first form
of uprising starts
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only in this part
of the country.
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WOOD: The first uprising
against the British.
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SATHYABAMA:
Against the British.
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Of course it's all local.
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It is not--you know,
it's nothing organized.
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I wouldn't call it
a fight for freedom,
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but I am just--
they are rebelling
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against certain norms which have
been forced upon them.
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WOOD: The British victory
in South India came in 1799
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at the battle
of Seringapatam,
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where an East India Company
army overwhelmed
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the Muslim sultan of Mysore.
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And there's a modern
twist to this story.
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These were not national armies
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but the first
global corporations
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fighting for the spoils
of India,
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and the prize was huge.
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In London,
the East India Company archives
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in the British library
show that the war was not
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just about power but profit.
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The profit and loss,
the balance sheets
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of the East India Company.
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this was what it was all about.
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The crucial turning point
in the finances
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of the company, 1799
after the great battles
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in South India
at Seringapatam.
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Company revenues:
£8.5 million.
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Four years later, 1803:
£13.5 million.
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That's getting on
for 3 quarters
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of a billion pounds
in modern spending money.
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Previous invaders
of India had come by land
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through the Khyber Pass,
but the British came
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by sea, establishing bases
around the coast,
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and in Bengal, the British
had extorted the right
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to raise taxes
from the enfeebled Moghuls,
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and here in Calcutta,
they began to develop
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a classic colonial economy.
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Sailing into Calcutta
in the 18th century,
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you were entering the hub
of an operation which spread
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its power and influence
across half the world.
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Opium being processed
here in warehouses
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to be sailed off to China;
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textiles being processed
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to go into Northern India
and across to Europe.
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A network that controlled
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hundreds of thousands
of skilled workers--
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weavers, dyers, and washers.
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In later times,
the British liked to say,
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disingenuously,
that they gained their empire
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in a fit of absent-mindedness...
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But there was
nothing absent-minded
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about the ruthless way
they pursued
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the imperative of profit.
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And in the late 18th century,
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driven by the Industrial
Revolution back in Britain,
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Bengal became a mainstay
of British imperialism.
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The British left
their mark all over Calcutta.
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The great 18th century
cemetery here in Park Street
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is still lovingly maintained.
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But perhaps the greatest
legacy of the British
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was to give Indians
a new idea of India itself.
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The Britishers gave us
a complete map of India.
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WOOD: The Britishers gave you
a complete map of India?
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BANDOPADHYAY: United.
They showed a complete map.
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Prior to Britishers
what happened actually,
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India was divided into
several small countries,
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different like that.
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They are all united.
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WOOD: So do you think
that without the British
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India may never have
been united as India?
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BANDOPADHYAY: Yeah. That is true
100%. I fully agree with you.
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WOOD: Ha ha ha! Really?
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You're making me feel better
about being an imperialist!
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BANDOPADHYAY:
It's absolutely correct.
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WOOD: And that map was not
only physical but mental--
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an idea of India,
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for it was the British
who began the recovery
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of the ancient Indian past.
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Orientalists like James Prinsep
and William Jones
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learned India's languages.
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"I love India more than
my own country,"
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said Warren Hastings.
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They founded
the Asiatic Society here,
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conscious that India was
a far older and richer
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civilization than their own,
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and as one of them said,
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"Wealth is not the only
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"or the most valuable
commodity India has
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"to offer Britain
and the world."
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MAN: The early orientalists
who came to India,
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they wanted to know what was
happening in this new place.
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William Jones,
H.T. Colebrooke
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and a whole host
of others,
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they took India
seriously.
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So they went, sat
with the Brahmin pundits
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and tried to understand
Sanskritic texts and so on.
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People had been, you know,
nostalgically looking back
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to a world
which they have lost.
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To look for the lost
world in the East.
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WOOD: And they found
it in India?
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PANDIAN:
They found it in India.
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WOOD: Some East India Company
officers were accused
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of thinking more
of Hinduism than Christianity
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and more of the Koran
than the Bible.
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There's even a tomb
in Park Street Cemetery
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covered with Hindu deities.
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it's the tomb of one
of the most interesting
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characters from British India--
Major General Charles Stuart.
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His love of things
Indian earned him
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the nickname Hindoo Stuart.
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He was here for 50 years,
used to go down to the Ganges
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to bathe every day,
wore Indian clothes off duty,
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and even worshipped Hindu gods.
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Perhaps his most
characteristic attempt
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at cross-cultural
dialogue was to try
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to persuade the British ladies
of Calcutta, the memsaabs,
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to throw off their
whalebone corsets
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and their iron dress hoops
and wear the sari.
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"The sari," wrote Stuart,
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"is the most alluring dress
in the world,
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"and the women of Hindustan
enchanting in their beauty."
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In his book, "The Vindication
of the Hindoos,"
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Stuart spoke of the greatness
of Indian civilization
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and the need for the British
to understand it.
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"Hinduism," said Stuart,
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"little needs
the ameliorating hand
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"of Christianity to render
its votaries
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"a correct and moral people
in a civilized society."
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"On the contrary," he said,
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"the glorious scriptures
of the Hindoos were written
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"when our own ancestors were
savages in the forests."
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The British were
particularly attracted
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to the mixed Hindu-Muslim
culture in the Ganges Plain,
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a legacy of the days
of the great the Moghuls
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like Akbar, who had
tried to bring
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the two communities together.
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Ah, wow.
they're so...
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Oh, look at this.
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So what are
these documents?
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[Wood speaks
foreign language]
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[Man speaks
foreign language]
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This is
for Hanumangarhi?
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And this is the seal
of the Nawab?
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These are the documents for
Muslim Nawabs of Ayodhya,
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giving their resources to
building a Hindu temple.
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In the Middle Ages,
relations between Hindus
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and Muslims had often
been marred
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by the intolerant attitudes
of some Muslim rulers,
283
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but accommodation
under the later Moghuls
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gave birth to the most
seductive and charismatic
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of all Indian civilizations
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in Lucknow under
the Muslim Nawabs.
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and that time is still
fondly remembered
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in the old
aristocratic houses.
289
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Ah, so family portraits.
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So this is magnificent.
Who is this here?
291
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MAN: This is
my great grandfather,
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Amiltolla Raja, sir.
293
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WOOD: Raja--but sir.
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So he was knighted by...
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KHAN: Knighted
by Queen Victoria.
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WOOD:
Queen Victoria herself!
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Fantastic.
298
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KHAN: This is me.
WOOD: Ha ha!
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With a beautiful
ceremonial crown.
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KHAN: Rubies, emeralds,
diamonds.
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WOOD: People talk about
the culture of Lucknow
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in the--especially the 18th
century period, don't they,
303
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as being an extraordinary period
in Indian history.
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Why is that?
305
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What does that mean?
306
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Right. Right.
307
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So at that time, the 2 cultures
here intermingled?
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KHAN: Intermingled.
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WOOD: That rich culture
of Urdu literature and poetry
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has left its legacy across
India, Pakistan, and the world.
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in food, too.
312
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And in that intermingling
of Hindu and Muslim
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was a possible pointer
to the future,
314
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had the British rulers
been more sensitive.
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Verdict on the biryani,
then, everybody?
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MAN: A-1.
WOOD: A-1.
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But everything
would be changed
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by the Great Rebellion of 1857.
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The signs had been there
the previous 30 years:
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the British more intolerant
under the growing influence
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of evangelical
Christian missionaries;
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a decree replacing Persian
with English as the language
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of administration
and education.
324
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The mutiny began
over the use of cow and pig fat
325
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to grease cartridges,
326
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deeply offensive
to both Hindu and Muslim.
327
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It was a stupid mistake
born of disrespect
328
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towards the native culture,
329
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but it provoked a terrifying
uprising by the Sepoys,
330
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the native troops
employed by British.
331
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MAN: This was the mosque
from where
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in the leadership of
Maulana Fazl-e Haq Khairabidi
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around 350 A'immanh,
of the mosque, Islamic scholars,
334
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gave the fatwa
of jihad
335
00:18:39,425 --> 00:18:43,463
against the British
rulers in India.
336
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WOOD: Hindu and Muslim
joined together.
337
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BUKHARI: All communities
came together,
338
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and I think it was
the golden period of India.
339
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All the communities,
without the--
340
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any differences, they were
Indians at that time.
341
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They were following
their religions,
342
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but they were fighting
for 1 cause,
343
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to get the freedom
of India.
344
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WOOD: Through the sweltering
summer of 1857,
345
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the edifice
of British power tottered
346
00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:22,168
in what the British called
the Indian Mutiny.
347
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it was the greatest war
of resistance ever fought
348
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against a colonial power
in the whole age
349
00:19:27,407 --> 00:19:29,342
of European imperialism...
350
00:19:32,078 --> 00:19:34,814
and new discoveries
in the archives in Delhi
351
00:19:34,914 --> 00:19:36,949
reveal the story
from the rebels' side
352
00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:38,685
and their anger at the attitude
353
00:19:38,785 --> 00:19:42,288
of the new breed
of British officials.
354
00:19:42,388 --> 00:19:44,157
MAN: They are denigrating
355
00:19:44,257 --> 00:19:45,625
traditional forms
of performance,
356
00:19:45,725 --> 00:19:47,727
they are denigrating
traditional texts,
357
00:19:47,827 --> 00:19:49,829
they're denigrating
traditional poetry.
358
00:19:49,929 --> 00:19:52,598
so there is a hectoring,
interrogating machine
359
00:19:52,699 --> 00:19:55,735
that has been set
in motion 20, 25 years
360
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before the uprising
happens.
361
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Otherwise we just
can't make sense
362
00:19:59,405 --> 00:20:00,807
of the rage
that bursts forth.
363
00:20:00,907 --> 00:20:02,975
And what's interesting
about 1857 is that
364
00:20:03,076 --> 00:20:04,243
certainly in Delhi
in the documents
365
00:20:04,343 --> 00:20:06,312
we've been studying here
over the last 3 years,
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00:20:06,412 --> 00:20:10,349
is that the expression
of resistance in Delhi
367
00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:12,351
is done
in religious terms.
368
00:20:12,452 --> 00:20:14,387
The British are
the people who destroy
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all religions.
370
00:20:22,261 --> 00:20:23,963
WOMAN: What has happened
to our guns?
371
00:20:24,063 --> 00:20:26,099
WOOD: the rebel leaders like
the Rani of Jhansi,
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who died fighting,
became national heroes.
373
00:20:29,302 --> 00:20:32,004
To get at them,
I have to blow up the temple.
374
00:20:32,105 --> 00:20:33,306
Then blow them up.
375
00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:35,141
Our country
above our religion.
376
00:20:35,241 --> 00:20:36,409
Ohh!
377
00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:46,452
FAROOQI: There is a violence
that bursts forth, you know,
378
00:20:46,552 --> 00:20:47,987
in a turbulent wave,
379
00:20:48,087 --> 00:20:50,256
which totally takes
the English by surprise.
380
00:20:50,356 --> 00:20:51,424
DALRYMPLE: No prisoners
are taken.
381
00:20:51,524 --> 00:20:52,959
FAROOQI: They are completely
shocked by the kind
382
00:20:53,059 --> 00:20:55,461
of violence that has
manifested by the Sepoys.
383
00:20:55,561 --> 00:20:59,398
And the British respond in kind
and--and worse,
384
00:20:59,499 --> 00:21:00,566
and they level
whole cities.
385
00:21:00,666 --> 00:21:03,603
Delhi, which is a city
of 100,000 people,
386
00:21:03,703 --> 00:21:06,472
which contains around
250,000 people
387
00:21:06,572 --> 00:21:08,508
at the time the British
attack it,
388
00:21:08,608 --> 00:21:11,010
refugees and the Sepoys
and so on,
389
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:14,580
is left a completely
empty ruin.
390
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,482
There is not a single
human being left
391
00:21:16,582 --> 00:21:17,984
in the city
by the time
392
00:21:18,084 --> 00:21:19,619
the British are
finished with it.
393
00:21:24,690 --> 00:21:26,793
WOOD: For the British,
the most evocative place
394
00:21:26,893 --> 00:21:28,528
in the story was Lucknow,
395
00:21:28,628 --> 00:21:31,998
scene of the heroic defense
of their residency.
396
00:21:32,098 --> 00:21:33,766
After the victory,
journalists picked
397
00:21:33,866 --> 00:21:37,303
their way over ruins,
using the new art of photography
398
00:21:37,403 --> 00:21:39,405
to record the destruction...
399
00:21:41,207 --> 00:21:43,109
Though some shots
of the damage and cruelty
400
00:21:43,209 --> 00:21:46,512
inflicted by the British
in their frenzy of revenge
401
00:21:46,612 --> 00:21:49,582
were not published at the time.
402
00:21:49,682 --> 00:21:51,017
In the immediate aftermath
403
00:21:51,117 --> 00:21:54,086
of the great rebellion
of 1857-8,
404
00:21:54,187 --> 00:21:57,757
a European photographer,
Felice Beato,
405
00:21:57,857 --> 00:22:02,695
took an amazing top shot
of the whole city.
406
00:22:02,795 --> 00:22:05,064
It's just laid out here
before us,
407
00:22:05,164 --> 00:22:09,235
the great Imambara
with the minarets.
408
00:22:09,335 --> 00:22:10,803
In the middle
of the panorama,
409
00:22:10,903 --> 00:22:15,141
you can see the mosque
of Aurangzeb by the river there,
410
00:22:15,241 --> 00:22:17,410
painted white now.
411
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:21,480
A British cavalry regiment
camped just down there
412
00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:24,684
in the courtyard
with their tents,
413
00:22:24,784 --> 00:22:26,385
their horses grazing,
414
00:22:26,485 --> 00:22:29,422
and in fact, you can just see
their washing
415
00:22:29,522 --> 00:22:31,691
by the side of the road
on a washing line.
416
00:22:31,791 --> 00:22:34,026
Those look like
long johns to me.
417
00:22:39,332 --> 00:22:41,801
"We have power of life
and death in our hands,"
418
00:22:41,901 --> 00:22:43,269
wrote one British officer,
419
00:22:43,369 --> 00:22:47,506
"and I assure you
we spare not."
420
00:22:47,607 --> 00:22:49,609
Writing for
the "New York Daily Tribune,"
421
00:22:49,709 --> 00:22:51,777
Karl Marx railed
against the failure
422
00:22:51,878 --> 00:22:55,214
of the British press
to cover British atrocities.
423
00:22:55,314 --> 00:22:57,383
"The cruelty
of the Sepoys," he said,
424
00:22:57,483 --> 00:23:01,721
"is only the reflex of England's
own conduct in India.
425
00:23:01,821 --> 00:23:06,259
"The European troops
have become fiends."
426
00:23:08,527 --> 00:23:09,595
DALRYMPLE:
In real history,
427
00:23:09,695 --> 00:23:10,897
things do not have
sharp endings.
428
00:23:10,997 --> 00:23:12,798
only periods that flood
into each other,
429
00:23:12,899 --> 00:23:15,534
but 1857 is
a very clear
430
00:23:15,635 --> 00:23:17,470
open-and-shut case.
431
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:21,674
1857, the East India Company
ends, the Moghuls end.
432
00:23:21,774 --> 00:23:24,110
The 2 principle forces
that have guided
433
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:26,545
Indian history
for the past 300 years,
434
00:23:26,646 --> 00:23:28,147
come to
an abrupt end,
435
00:23:28,247 --> 00:23:30,416
and immediately you get
the British government
436
00:23:30,516 --> 00:23:32,652
imposing direct rule
from London.
437
00:23:32,752 --> 00:23:34,120
Very soon after this,
Disraeli goes
438
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:35,288
to Queen Victoria
and says,
439
00:23:35,388 --> 00:23:37,089
"Will you be Empress
of India?"
440
00:23:42,128 --> 00:23:44,397
WOOD: Of course, history
is never black and white.
441
00:23:44,497 --> 00:23:46,966
The war divided
North Indian society.
442
00:23:47,066 --> 00:23:49,101
Some saw British rule
as progress,
443
00:23:49,201 --> 00:23:51,370
a chance to break
with the old ways.
444
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:53,105
Others though were implacable
445
00:23:53,205 --> 00:23:55,041
in their resistance,
as I discovered
446
00:23:55,141 --> 00:23:57,877
when I met the descendents
of 2 Indian families
447
00:23:57,977 --> 00:24:00,079
who were on opposite sides.
448
00:24:00,179 --> 00:24:01,681
This is the Grand Trunk Road
449
00:24:01,781 --> 00:24:04,550
coming northwards
from Kanpur.
450
00:24:04,650 --> 00:24:06,752
We're looking for one
of the most extraordinary
451
00:24:06,852 --> 00:24:10,189
stories in the aftermath
of 1857.
452
00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:14,727
And the person who knows
more about it
453
00:24:14,827 --> 00:24:16,662
than anyone alive is
an Indian scholar,
454
00:24:16,762 --> 00:24:19,732
who comes form a village
just up the road.
455
00:24:19,832 --> 00:24:21,233
We've arranged
to meet at a place
456
00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:23,669
where there's a brick kiln
and a temple,
457
00:24:23,769 --> 00:24:26,739
and he'll be wearing
a red Himalayan shawl.
458
00:24:49,061 --> 00:24:52,665
A red Himalayan hat.
I didn't hear him right.
459
00:24:54,734 --> 00:24:59,672
Ha ha ha!
460
00:24:59,772 --> 00:25:01,007
Very nice to meet you.
461
00:25:01,107 --> 00:25:03,342
Ha ha ha!
462
00:25:03,442 --> 00:25:05,211
This is Jeremy
and Callum.
463
00:25:05,311 --> 00:25:07,446
So we've made it,
fantastic.
464
00:25:07,546 --> 00:25:10,683
Now look, I will have
to take you to Bareh.
465
00:25:10,783 --> 00:25:12,785
The Raja is insistent.
466
00:25:12,885 --> 00:25:16,522
You can't have a picture with
only the collaborators.
467
00:25:16,622 --> 00:25:19,759
You must have a real,
real rebel.
468
00:25:19,859 --> 00:25:21,060
Thank you very much.
469
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,661
WOOD: People still
think about it
470
00:25:22,762 --> 00:25:25,231
as collaborators,
do they?
471
00:25:25,331 --> 00:25:27,333
MEHROTRA: I am not, you know--
WOOD: 150 years--
472
00:25:27,433 --> 00:25:29,635
MEHROTRA: I can't feel guilty
about it.
473
00:25:29,735 --> 00:25:31,037
Come. Have your friends
follow me.
474
00:25:31,137 --> 00:25:32,538
[Car horn honks]
475
00:25:32,638 --> 00:25:34,073
WOOD: Don't get run over.
476
00:25:34,173 --> 00:25:36,742
We've haven't done
the interview yet!
477
00:25:36,842 --> 00:25:38,344
Sriram is the historian
478
00:25:38,444 --> 00:25:40,279
of the Indian
National Congress,
479
00:25:40,379 --> 00:25:44,850
the freedom movement that arose
out of the struggles of 1857.
480
00:25:46,285 --> 00:25:47,953
MAN:
That's the ancestral house.
481
00:25:48,054 --> 00:25:49,121
WOOD: Your house?
482
00:25:49,221 --> 00:25:52,124
MAN: Yes.
WOOD: Wow.
483
00:25:52,224 --> 00:25:53,759
But like everyone in India,
484
00:25:53,859 --> 00:25:55,761
he has his own stake
in the story.
485
00:25:55,861 --> 00:25:58,097
His ancestors sided
with the British,
486
00:25:58,197 --> 00:26:02,468
believing in their order,
their future.
487
00:26:02,568 --> 00:26:05,237
Heh heh heh.
Unstoppable, isn't he?
488
00:26:11,544 --> 00:26:12,912
WOOD: This is the fort?
MAN: Yes.
489
00:26:13,012 --> 00:26:14,914
WOOD: So this fort was
your ancestors' fort?
490
00:26:15,014 --> 00:26:16,082
MAN: Yes.
491
00:26:16,182 --> 00:26:18,117
WOOD: So are you officially
still a Raja?
492
00:26:18,217 --> 00:26:20,453
SINGH: Oh, no.
Rajas are over now.
493
00:26:20,553 --> 00:26:21,854
WOOD: Rajas are over?
494
00:26:24,223 --> 00:26:26,725
An hour or so
out into the countryside,
495
00:26:26,826 --> 00:26:28,594
we reached Bareh--
496
00:26:28,694 --> 00:26:30,963
the descendants
of the collaborator
497
00:26:31,063 --> 00:26:34,767
and the resister
and the oppressor.
498
00:26:35,901 --> 00:26:38,938
Wow, that's impressive,
isn't it?
499
00:26:39,038 --> 00:26:40,506
What was this here?
500
00:26:40,606 --> 00:26:41,874
MEHROTA:
The ladies' apartment.
501
00:26:41,974 --> 00:26:44,210
WOOD: The ladies' apartment?
502
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:46,479
Fantastic, isn't it?
503
00:26:52,751 --> 00:26:56,288
And this is
what they were fighting for.
504
00:26:56,388 --> 00:27:00,826
MEHROTA: That's India which you
can call the eternal,
505
00:27:00,926 --> 00:27:03,095
the unchanging.
506
00:27:22,581 --> 00:27:25,084
WOOD: So what happened
here in 18577
507
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,388
You were the rebels.
508
00:27:30,456 --> 00:27:32,091
First the War
of Independence,
509
00:27:32,191 --> 00:27:34,260
they call it now,
don't they?
510
00:27:36,428 --> 00:27:38,497
These were the local
rebel commanders?
511
00:27:39,698 --> 00:27:41,734
WOOD: Oh. The Rani of Jhansi?
SINGH: Yes, yes.
512
00:27:41,834 --> 00:27:44,136
WOOD: She was the heroine,
513
00:27:44,236 --> 00:27:46,839
the Joan of Arc
of the resistance.
514
00:27:51,043 --> 00:27:52,678
"Nana's coming!
Nana's coming!"
515
00:27:52,778 --> 00:27:55,381
It was Nana who
attacked Lucknow.
516
00:27:57,883 --> 00:27:59,084
So these were
the greatest
517
00:27:59,185 --> 00:28:01,820
of the rebel
leaders. yeah.
518
00:28:01,921 --> 00:28:04,223
So your family were
committed to fighting
519
00:28:04,323 --> 00:28:05,391
against the British?
520
00:28:05,491 --> 00:28:06,592
SINGH: Yes.
WOOD: Yeah.
521
00:28:06,692 --> 00:28:08,694
And what happened here?
522
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:26,045
WOOD:
And here in Bareh,
523
00:28:26,145 --> 00:28:29,081
in the baking summer heat
of the Jumna Plain,
524
00:28:29,181 --> 00:28:32,985
a long way into my journey
in search of the story of India,
525
00:28:33,085 --> 00:28:35,187
I felt enveloped
by the greatness
526
00:28:35,287 --> 00:28:39,525
of Indian history,
by those terrible events
527
00:28:39,625 --> 00:28:45,097
150 years ago that seemed to
have only happened yesterday.
528
00:28:53,405 --> 00:28:54,573
SINGH: Had their guns
on that side.
529
00:28:54,673 --> 00:28:55,874
WOOD: Uh-huh.
530
00:29:00,212 --> 00:29:01,647
The 2 of you may be--
531
00:29:01,747 --> 00:29:05,284
represent 2 different
Indian views
532
00:29:05,384 --> 00:29:08,220
of all these great events,
these great events.
533
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,855
I am not ashamed
of the fact that
534
00:29:09,955 --> 00:29:13,158
my ancestors cooperated
with the British.
535
00:29:13,259 --> 00:29:16,729
Situated as they were,
and being educated,
536
00:29:16,829 --> 00:29:19,265
they knew the might and
the resources of the British.
537
00:29:19,365 --> 00:29:21,734
WOOD: Your view different--
is different?
538
00:29:32,845 --> 00:29:34,213
It was a matter
of honor,
539
00:29:34,313 --> 00:29:36,482
"We have nothing
to lose, we fight."
540
00:29:43,188 --> 00:29:46,725
Your father was
a rebel with Gandhi?
541
00:29:46,825 --> 00:29:48,227
Yeah, yeah.
He joined Gandhi, yes.
542
00:29:52,831 --> 00:29:55,801
So the freedom struggle
is rooted in your family?
543
00:30:01,874 --> 00:30:03,976
And to see
how the freedom struggle
544
00:30:04,076 --> 00:30:05,678
came out of the mutiny,
545
00:30:05,778 --> 00:30:11,183
you need first to come back
to the district capital Etawah
546
00:30:11,283 --> 00:30:13,719
because here lived one
of the key figures
547
00:30:13,819 --> 00:30:15,821
in the beginning
of the freedom movement,
548
00:30:15,921 --> 00:30:20,192
and believe it or not,
he was a British civil servant.
549
00:30:20,292 --> 00:30:22,428
He built this school.
550
00:30:24,897 --> 00:30:27,700
A.O. Hume fought here
against the rebels
551
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,468
but then began
to speak out
552
00:30:29,568 --> 00:30:31,937
for Indian self-determination.
553
00:30:34,306 --> 00:30:36,842
He believed in the power
554
00:30:36,942 --> 00:30:38,744
of imperialism to do good,
I suppose.
555
00:30:38,844 --> 00:30:39,978
You could put it
that way, could you?
556
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,748
SINGH: He was rather a kind of
an--what should I say--
557
00:30:42,848 --> 00:30:44,683
a cultural imperialist.
558
00:30:46,218 --> 00:30:48,620
WOOD: Hume helped start
the independence movement
559
00:30:48,721 --> 00:30:50,789
by bringing together
the best young Indians
560
00:30:50,889 --> 00:30:53,959
to form the Indian
National Congress.
561
00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:55,794
That's him in the middle.
562
00:30:55,894 --> 00:30:58,397
His is one of the great
untold Indian stories.
563
00:30:58,497 --> 00:31:00,799
In fact, Sriram thinks
that Hume is almost
564
00:31:00,899 --> 00:31:02,901
as important as Gandhi.
565
00:31:04,069 --> 00:31:06,138
MEHROTA: It was their
duty as trustees
566
00:31:06,238 --> 00:31:08,240
of the Indian empire
to prepare
567
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:10,109
the people
of this country
568
00:31:10,209 --> 00:31:12,111
to take the destiny
of their country
569
00:31:12,211 --> 00:31:13,379
in their own hands.
570
00:31:13,479 --> 00:31:14,546
So that's what
the British--
571
00:31:14,646 --> 00:31:15,781
That's what Hume
thought the British
572
00:31:15,881 --> 00:31:16,949
should work towards.
573
00:31:17,049 --> 00:31:19,251
This is what the British
should work towards,
574
00:31:19,351 --> 00:31:22,521
and when they are ready
for self-government
575
00:31:22,621 --> 00:31:24,823
to hand over their trust
to them and to retire
576
00:31:24,923 --> 00:31:26,225
from this country
577
00:31:26,325 --> 00:31:27,726
because if they
retire
578
00:31:27,826 --> 00:31:29,962
after doing
this much,
579
00:31:30,062 --> 00:31:31,797
they will have
done 2 things.
580
00:31:31,897 --> 00:31:34,767
First you have trained a people
in self-government,
581
00:31:34,867 --> 00:31:39,138
and second, to have
ensured that their own
582
00:31:39,238 --> 00:31:42,274
commerce and culture
would continue.
583
00:31:44,543 --> 00:31:48,614
WOOD: The first meeting
of the congress, Bombay, 1885.
584
00:31:48,714 --> 00:31:51,550
In the center,
the only white man, Hume,
585
00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:53,419
the rebel in the Raj.
586
00:32:00,592 --> 00:32:03,595
In the 1880s, they also
gained a free press
587
00:32:03,695 --> 00:32:06,498
when the British lifted
their restrictions,
588
00:32:06,598 --> 00:32:09,301
and a flood of hundreds
of papers hit the stands,
589
00:32:09,401 --> 00:32:12,971
mainly vernacular ones which
the British couldn't control.
590
00:32:15,707 --> 00:32:17,776
The British period
would be brief,
591
00:32:17,876 --> 00:32:20,078
a blip in the story of India,
592
00:32:20,179 --> 00:32:21,947
but the Raj would see
the birth
593
00:32:22,047 --> 00:32:25,951
of the idea
of India as 1 nation,
594
00:32:26,051 --> 00:32:29,688
unified as much by the idea
as by the railways,
595
00:32:29,788 --> 00:32:32,357
maps, and communications.
596
00:32:34,393 --> 00:32:36,762
The British Raj was one
of the most ingenious
597
00:32:36,862 --> 00:32:39,298
and adaptive empires
in history,
598
00:32:39,398 --> 00:32:41,300
an immense patchwork embracing
599
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,303
nearly a quarter
of the people of the planet,
600
00:32:44,403 --> 00:32:46,872
an arrangement
so extraordinary that
601
00:32:46,972 --> 00:32:50,742
it's scarcely believable
that it existed on the ground,
602
00:32:50,843 --> 00:32:52,144
but it did...
603
00:32:52,244 --> 00:32:53,312
Hello.
604
00:32:53,412 --> 00:32:57,216
And this is the Archive
of British India.
605
00:32:57,316 --> 00:32:58,817
MAN: This building
was constructed
606
00:32:58,917 --> 00:32:59,985
by the British people.
607
00:33:00,085 --> 00:33:02,588
WOOD: Amazing.
608
00:33:02,688 --> 00:33:05,691
So it contains all
the government records.
609
00:33:05,791 --> 00:33:07,059
MAN: Yes, these are all
government records.
610
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:08,794
WOOD: Just look at this!
611
00:33:08,894 --> 00:33:11,396
But imperialism
is never benign.
612
00:33:11,497 --> 00:33:13,632
MAN: We have
30 kilometers
613
00:33:13,732 --> 00:33:15,434
of lined-up
shelf space.
614
00:33:15,534 --> 00:33:16,635
WOOD: 30 kilometers.
615
00:33:16,735 --> 00:33:18,270
MAN: yes, here
in this building,
616
00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:19,438
and in addition
to this building,
617
00:33:19,538 --> 00:33:20,606
then in the next
building,
618
00:33:20,706 --> 00:33:21,773
we have another
40 kilometers
619
00:33:21,874 --> 00:33:22,941
of lined-up
shelf space.
620
00:33:23,041 --> 00:33:25,043
WOOD: So 70 kilometers
of documents.
621
00:33:25,143 --> 00:33:27,346
MAN: Total we have
70 kilometers.
622
00:33:27,446 --> 00:33:30,282
WOOD: This is the social history
of India, isn't it?
623
00:33:32,518 --> 00:33:35,587
For such forms
of knowledge are never neutral.
624
00:33:38,023 --> 00:33:40,459
WOMAN: By the middle
of the 19th century,
625
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,428
the nature of colonialism
in India is changing
626
00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:45,497
from a relatively benign,
627
00:33:45,597 --> 00:33:47,099
what we call orientalist
phase of colonialism.
628
00:33:47,199 --> 00:33:50,936
This is now
an arrogant Britain,
629
00:33:51,036 --> 00:33:53,405
the first country of
the industrial revolution
630
00:33:53,505 --> 00:33:54,806
ruling the world,
631
00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,409
and then from the 1850s,
the competition
632
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:58,944
worldwide for colonies.
633
00:33:59,044 --> 00:34:01,580
Other countries are coming up
and competing for colonies.
634
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,416
So therefore, there's
a great need to have
635
00:34:04,516 --> 00:34:11,056
a very systematic ordering
of peoples' lives,
636
00:34:11,156 --> 00:34:13,358
the information and everything
relating to them.
637
00:34:13,458 --> 00:34:15,627
And how did they set
about it in terms
638
00:34:15,727 --> 00:34:18,530
of defining
the people of India?
639
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,533
MUKHERJEE: This is the report
which is preparing
640
00:34:21,633 --> 00:34:24,036
for the first census
of 1881,
641
00:34:24,136 --> 00:34:27,539
and the first item in
this is about religion,
642
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,509
and once you begin counting
people according
643
00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:32,110
to their religious origin,
644
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:34,446
then when politics
comes in,
645
00:34:34,546 --> 00:34:37,549
religion then becomes
a religious community.
646
00:34:37,649 --> 00:34:42,254
At the turn of the century,
for example, in 1909,
647
00:34:42,354 --> 00:34:45,123
there was a big debate
that started
648
00:34:45,223 --> 00:34:47,125
that Hindus were actually
going to disappear
649
00:34:47,225 --> 00:34:49,428
because, in fact, one
of the census commissioners
650
00:34:49,528 --> 00:34:50,963
of Bengal made a statement
651
00:34:51,063 --> 00:34:53,699
that if the Muslims
continue to grow at this rate,
652
00:34:53,799 --> 00:34:55,233
Hindus will disappear.
653
00:34:55,334 --> 00:34:57,235
And then some Hindus
took it up and said,
654
00:34:57,336 --> 00:34:58,937
Hindu's a dying race.
655
00:34:59,037 --> 00:35:00,339
Similarly, the Muslims.
656
00:35:00,439 --> 00:35:02,674
when they took their
first delegation,
657
00:35:02,774 --> 00:35:04,910
out of which the Muslim
League was formed,
658
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:07,112
and the went to see
the viceroy, they said,
659
00:35:07,212 --> 00:35:09,448
"We number so much.
660
00:35:09,548 --> 00:35:11,550
"We are outnumbered
by the Hindus.
661
00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:13,552
"If you are going to have
a representative system
662
00:35:13,652 --> 00:35:17,422
"which is based on majorities
principle of election,
663
00:35:17,522 --> 00:35:18,590
"we are never going
to be there"
664
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:20,993
because "we" now
means Muslims.
665
00:35:21,093 --> 00:35:23,161
The implication
of that seems to be,
666
00:35:23,261 --> 00:35:26,832
that by defining an Indian
people in this way,
667
00:35:26,932 --> 00:35:31,436
the British set a path
for the way that Indians
668
00:35:31,536 --> 00:35:34,072
would construe their
path to independence.
669
00:35:34,172 --> 00:35:35,307
MUKHERJEE:
Absolutely right.
670
00:35:35,407 --> 00:35:37,309
And we are still living
with that legacy,
671
00:35:37,409 --> 00:35:40,312
we're struggling with it,
we fall victim to it,
672
00:35:40,412 --> 00:35:44,049
we resist it,
but it is still with us.
673
00:35:46,618 --> 00:35:49,621
WOOD: Subjects of the greatest
empire the world had ever seen,
674
00:35:49,721 --> 00:35:53,825
the Indian people were drawn
into Britain's world conflicts.
675
00:35:56,294 --> 00:35:58,530
In the first world war,
Indians fought
676
00:35:58,630 --> 00:36:01,433
for the king emperor
in the trenches of Flanders
677
00:36:01,533 --> 00:36:03,435
and the deserts or Iraq.
678
00:36:11,243 --> 00:36:14,046
But when the war was over,
the freedom movement,
679
00:36:14,146 --> 00:36:17,015
led by the Congress Party
and the Muslim League,
680
00:36:17,115 --> 00:36:19,451
who now represented
a Muslim electorate,
681
00:36:19,551 --> 00:36:21,987
were expecting a payoff.
682
00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:28,960
For more than 2 million
Indians who fought
683
00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:30,696
in the war on behalf
of the British,
684
00:36:30,796 --> 00:36:33,298
thousands had been killed,
685
00:36:33,398 --> 00:36:36,535
but still there was
a loyalty to Britain
686
00:36:36,635 --> 00:36:39,237
despite a strong
home rule movement,
687
00:36:39,337 --> 00:36:42,474
but the British rewarded
that loyalty by imposing
688
00:36:42,574 --> 00:36:46,344
the wartime sedition laws
in peacetime--
689
00:36:46,445 --> 00:36:49,981
no trial, no lawyer, no appeal.
690
00:36:52,751 --> 00:36:54,720
Only months
after the end of the war,
691
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:57,956
a peaceful demonstration
took place in the Punjab,
692
00:36:58,056 --> 00:37:01,259
in the Sikh holy
city of Amritsar.
693
00:37:03,729 --> 00:37:07,399
The callous ineptitude
of the British General Dyer
694
00:37:07,499 --> 00:37:10,068
would make Amritsar
a notorious name
695
00:37:10,168 --> 00:37:12,971
in the history
of Britain and India.
696
00:37:14,439 --> 00:37:16,475
MAN: Aim!
697
00:37:19,177 --> 00:37:20,245
Fire!
698
00:37:20,345 --> 00:37:21,513
MAN: Fire!
699
00:37:24,883 --> 00:37:27,152
Take your time!
700
00:37:28,887 --> 00:37:31,523
MAN: They come here
from this passage.
701
00:37:31,623 --> 00:37:34,159
This was the only
entry or exit.
702
00:37:34,259 --> 00:37:37,429
they put the guns here,
open fire on the public.
703
00:37:37,529 --> 00:37:38,597
WOOD: So there was
no warning?
704
00:37:38,697 --> 00:37:39,965
MAN: No warning.
705
00:37:42,234 --> 00:37:43,401
WOOD: How big
was the crowd?
706
00:37:43,502 --> 00:37:45,704
MAN: About 20,000 people
had gathered there.
707
00:37:45,804 --> 00:37:47,239
WOOD: 20,000!
708
00:37:49,341 --> 00:37:51,343
[Gunfire continues]
709
00:37:55,313 --> 00:37:57,549
WOOD: At least 400 people
were killed that day
710
00:37:57,649 --> 00:37:59,851
and 1,500 injured.
711
00:38:07,325 --> 00:38:09,828
Did you have family members
present that day?
712
00:38:09,928 --> 00:38:12,364
My grandfather,
Dr. S.C. Mukherjee,
713
00:38:12,464 --> 00:38:15,133
he was present on that happening
but luckily escaped,
714
00:38:15,233 --> 00:38:17,769
and since then, we are
looking after this.
715
00:38:21,273 --> 00:38:24,409
WOOD: On such moments,
history can turn.
716
00:38:24,509 --> 00:38:27,078
The Amritsar Massacre
gave an irresistible impetuous
717
00:38:27,179 --> 00:38:29,815
to the freedom movement.
718
00:38:29,915 --> 00:38:33,685
The main players were all
British-educated lawyers:
719
00:38:33,785 --> 00:38:36,822
the canny
Mohandas K. Gandhi:
720
00:38:36,922 --> 00:38:39,724
the brilliant Mohammed Jinnah
of the Muslim League;
721
00:38:39,825 --> 00:38:43,895
and Jawaharlal Nehru,
the austere star of congress.
722
00:38:43,995 --> 00:38:45,096
Together, they were to plan
723
00:38:45,197 --> 00:38:48,166
one of history's
greatest revolutions,
724
00:38:48,266 --> 00:38:53,038
driven by the ancient
Indian idea of non-violence.
725
00:38:56,308 --> 00:38:59,811
MAN: They were great times
and rare times
726
00:38:59,911 --> 00:39:04,916
and unique times,
I always think,
727
00:39:05,016 --> 00:39:07,519
and I'm glad that I
lived almost
728
00:39:07,619 --> 00:39:10,288
through
all these times.
729
00:39:10,388 --> 00:39:14,759
WOOD: Aged 95, P.D. Tandon
has died since we met.
730
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:16,995
He was an old Nehru
family friend,
731
00:39:17,095 --> 00:39:20,031
a freedom fighter
in the 1930s and 1940s.
732
00:39:20,131 --> 00:39:22,467
So you had a sense
of being present
733
00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:24,669
when history
was being made.
734
00:39:35,513 --> 00:39:39,351
For 14 months?
When was this?
735
00:39:39,451 --> 00:39:41,119
19427
736
00:39:41,219 --> 00:39:43,054
You knew Nehru
from the early days.
737
00:39:43,154 --> 00:39:45,924
Was it apparent
even then that
738
00:39:46,024 --> 00:39:48,560
he was a man marked
by destiny?
739
00:39:52,998 --> 00:39:54,199
Ha ha ha!
740
00:40:14,219 --> 00:40:16,254
Very confident
and sure of himself?
741
00:40:16,354 --> 00:40:17,856
TANDON: Yes, that is right.
742
00:40:17,956 --> 00:40:20,058
You must have got to
know Gandhi well, also.
743
00:40:20,158 --> 00:40:22,427
Oh, yes,
I knew him, too.
744
00:40:22,527 --> 00:40:24,729
WOOD: What kind of impression
did he make on you?
745
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:28,967
Many people speak of his
magic spell on people.
746
00:40:29,067 --> 00:40:31,336
Tell us what
you thought.
747
00:40:51,089 --> 00:40:52,958
WOOD: Today, the Anand Bhavan,
748
00:40:53,058 --> 00:40:55,060
the Nehru family house
in Allahabad,
749
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,663
is a shrine to India's
struggle for freedom.
750
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,136
MAN: They're
worshipping Gandhi,
751
00:41:05,236 --> 00:41:06,972
they're
worshipping Nehru.
752
00:41:07,072 --> 00:41:08,139
They were
the greatest,
753
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,408
greatest people
of our country.
754
00:41:10,508 --> 00:41:12,777
WOOD: So Gandhiji
is not forgotten?
755
00:41:12,877 --> 00:41:14,079
MAN: Never!
WOOD: Never?
756
00:41:14,179 --> 00:41:15,480
MAN: Never, never!
757
00:41:16,881 --> 00:41:21,052
WOMAN: People do not
realize how difficult
758
00:41:21,152 --> 00:41:22,821
it was to get freedom.
759
00:41:22,921 --> 00:41:26,691
Those who were not born,
those who have not seen
760
00:41:26,791 --> 00:41:29,594
don't know what was
freedom struggle.
761
00:41:29,694 --> 00:41:34,065
British rule--that it was
a very disciplined rule.
762
00:41:34,165 --> 00:41:36,034
They accept this thing,
763
00:41:36,134 --> 00:41:41,172
but, you know,
bondage nobody likes.
764
00:41:41,272 --> 00:41:43,475
Everybody likes
to be free.
765
00:41:45,477 --> 00:41:46,611
WOOD: They were engaged
766
00:41:46,711 --> 00:41:47,946
in the greatest
liberation struggle
767
00:41:48,046 --> 00:41:50,382
that had ever been in history,
768
00:41:50,482 --> 00:41:53,218
but what India
did they hope for?
769
00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:56,421
Nehru and Gandhi
wanted one secular India,
770
00:41:56,521 --> 00:41:57,856
but Jinnah had come
to believe that
771
00:41:57,956 --> 00:42:00,458
Hindu and Muslim were
"2 separate nations
772
00:42:00,558 --> 00:42:03,028
"that cannot live together."
773
00:42:05,697 --> 00:42:09,300
By 1940, the big 3 had
fallen apart,
774
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:11,770
and talk began of partition.
775
00:42:13,438 --> 00:42:15,974
MEHROTA: The British attitude
towards the partition
776
00:42:16,074 --> 00:42:19,544
of India was slightly
ambivalent.
777
00:42:19,644 --> 00:42:23,348
On the one hand,
they had created this unity
778
00:42:23,448 --> 00:42:25,150
where there was none.
779
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:32,290
They gloried in the fact that
they had created a united India,
780
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:35,760
and they also knew that
if India became divided,
781
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:40,298
all sorts of defense
problems would arise.
782
00:42:40,398 --> 00:42:42,333
And they were also
very conscious
783
00:42:42,434 --> 00:42:45,703
of the great divide between
the Hindus and the Muslims.
784
00:42:47,305 --> 00:42:48,740
WOOD: Here
in the viceroy's lodge
785
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,109
in Simla in 1946,
786
00:42:51,209 --> 00:42:53,311
the British tried
too late to broker
787
00:42:53,411 --> 00:42:55,513
a loose federation
comprising groups
788
00:42:55,613 --> 00:42:59,084
of Hindu and Muslim states
under a central government,
789
00:42:59,184 --> 00:43:01,386
but the coalition
collapsed in mistrust
790
00:43:01,486 --> 00:43:04,856
from both sides,
and Jinnah finally pushed
791
00:43:04,956 --> 00:43:08,726
for a separate state
for Muslims, Pakistan.
792
00:43:08,827 --> 00:43:11,563
MEHROTA: Jinnah had moved
towards the idea of Pakistan.
793
00:43:11,663 --> 00:43:15,066
What he used to say,
"After we have divided,
794
00:43:15,166 --> 00:43:17,535
"then we can come
together,
795
00:43:17,635 --> 00:43:18,837
"then we can cooperate."
796
00:43:18,937 --> 00:43:20,905
This is what
Maulana said.
797
00:43:21,005 --> 00:43:23,374
"This is divorce
before marriage."
798
00:43:30,448 --> 00:43:33,017
WOOD: So finally
in the summer of 1947,
799
00:43:33,118 --> 00:43:36,488
the British washed
their hands of the problem,
800
00:43:36,588 --> 00:43:39,858
and with great pride
and yet profound disappointment,
801
00:43:39,958 --> 00:43:42,460
Nehru accepted India's destiny.
802
00:43:45,063 --> 00:43:50,835
NEHRU: Long years ago we made
a tryst with destiny,
803
00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:56,975
and now the time comes
when we shall redeem our pledge,
804
00:43:57,075 --> 00:44:04,315
not wholly or in full measure
but very substantially.
805
00:44:04,415 --> 00:44:07,452
At the stroke
of the midnight hour
806
00:44:07,552 --> 00:44:09,554
when the world sleeps,
807
00:44:09,654 --> 00:44:13,091
India will awake
to life and freedom.
808
00:44:14,726 --> 00:44:16,327
WOOD: But a partitioned India
809
00:44:16,427 --> 00:44:18,463
with Muslim Pakistan itself
810
00:44:18,563 --> 00:44:20,798
divided by 2,000 miles
811
00:44:20,899 --> 00:44:24,335
from east to west.
812
00:44:24,435 --> 00:44:26,237
On the 2 sides of India,
813
00:44:26,337 --> 00:44:28,239
in the Punjab and Bengal,
814
00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:30,508
the dividing line
between Muslim and Hindu
815
00:44:30,608 --> 00:44:32,944
had been drawn up
by a British civil servant
816
00:44:33,044 --> 00:44:37,582
in 6 weeks using information
gathered from the censuses.
817
00:44:37,682 --> 00:44:40,618
The line ran
through fields and communities,
818
00:44:40,718 --> 00:44:44,322
across railways, roads,
and irrigation schemes.
819
00:44:44,422 --> 00:44:45,757
It went through villages
820
00:44:45,857 --> 00:44:48,393
and even
through individual houses,
821
00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:50,461
and it cut
through the deepest layers
822
00:44:50,562 --> 00:44:52,530
of the history
of the subcontinent.
823
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:55,500
MAN: Hello, very
nice to meet you.
824
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,368
WOOD: I'm Michael.
825
00:44:57,468 --> 00:44:58,937
So how old is Mr. Swaran?
826
00:44:59,037 --> 00:45:00,838
[Man speaking
native language]
827
00:45:03,541 --> 00:45:05,343
SINGH: 82.
WOOD: 827?
828
00:45:05,443 --> 00:45:08,479
You are in fine form.
Ha ha ha!
829
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:09,948
WOOD:
To make matters worse,
830
00:45:10,048 --> 00:45:12,150
the British kept
the line secret
831
00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:15,220
till after independence
on the 15th of August,
832
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,523
and they were culpably negligent
in failing to provide troops
833
00:45:18,623 --> 00:45:22,126
to protect the people in the
ethnic cleansing that followed,
834
00:45:22,227 --> 00:45:24,462
when Hindu, Sikh,
and Muslim began
835
00:45:24,562 --> 00:45:26,297
to kill each other.
836
00:45:26,397 --> 00:45:28,166
And the village was
just over the border
837
00:45:28,266 --> 00:45:30,168
in what is now Pakistan,
is that right?
838
00:45:30,268 --> 00:45:32,337
SINGH: Pakistan.
WOOD: Yeah, yeah.
839
00:45:34,706 --> 00:45:37,208
WOOD: Sikhs?
SINGH: Sikhs.
840
00:46:33,798 --> 00:46:38,469
WOOD: 17 members of your family?
Yeah, yeah.
841
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:45,510
WOOD: In the summer of 1947,
that story was repeated
842
00:46:45,610 --> 00:46:50,415
across the Punjab as great
floods of people fled in fear:
843
00:46:50,515 --> 00:46:53,051
Hindus and Sikhs
eastwards into India,
844
00:46:53,151 --> 00:46:56,321
Muslims westwards
into the new Pakistan.
845
00:46:56,421 --> 00:46:58,356
14 million people,
846
00:46:58,456 --> 00:47:01,292
the largest migration
in history,
847
00:47:01,392 --> 00:47:04,395
and up to a million died.
848
00:47:04,495 --> 00:47:08,833
We console ourselves by talking
of common human feeling,
849
00:47:08,933 --> 00:47:12,770
but there are times in history
when there is no such thing.
850
00:47:18,476 --> 00:47:20,945
But could the partition
have been avoided?
851
00:47:21,045 --> 00:47:23,147
What if the Congress
and the Muslim League
852
00:47:23,247 --> 00:47:27,118
had made concessions
and accepted the federation?
853
00:47:27,218 --> 00:47:29,954
Why did the British have
to rush independence?
854
00:47:30,054 --> 00:47:31,956
Could the slaughter
have been avoided
855
00:47:32,056 --> 00:47:33,858
if they'd provided
a few battalions
856
00:47:33,958 --> 00:47:36,761
to protect the refugees,
857
00:47:36,861 --> 00:47:38,329
and will India and Pakistan
858
00:47:38,429 --> 00:47:42,200
come back together again
as Jinnah hoped?
859
00:47:51,676 --> 00:47:54,512
A few miles inside
the Pakistani border,
860
00:47:54,612 --> 00:47:56,948
we found Swaran Singh's
old village,
861
00:47:57,048 --> 00:48:00,885
still with its Hindu name!
862
00:48:00,985 --> 00:48:06,324
This was the place he
left as a boy in terror in 1947
863
00:48:06,424 --> 00:48:10,561
after the murder
of 17 of his family.
864
00:48:10,661 --> 00:48:14,165
Not me. Not me.
OK, shokria, shokria.
865
00:48:14,265 --> 00:48:18,269
Yeah, OK. So we are
in the right place.
866
00:48:18,369 --> 00:48:21,906
And the old people here,
Muslims, had the same story--
867
00:48:22,006 --> 00:48:24,842
uprooted, fleeing
for their lives from India,
868
00:48:24,942 --> 00:48:26,911
but here at the end,
they told a tale
869
00:48:27,011 --> 00:48:28,679
with a glimmer of hope.
870
00:49:01,579 --> 00:49:04,982
Were there cases where
friends helped friends?
871
00:49:39,884 --> 00:49:41,152
TRANSLATOR:
They still get letters.
872
00:49:41,252 --> 00:49:44,622
No! Wow, what
an amazing story.
873
00:49:49,627 --> 00:49:51,896
History sometimes happens
in a way which is
874
00:49:51,996 --> 00:49:54,432
not willed
by the main participants.
875
00:49:54,532 --> 00:49:56,534
Nehru and Gandhi
saw themselves
876
00:49:56,634 --> 00:50:00,104
as the great idealists
but in the end failed
877
00:50:00,204 --> 00:50:03,341
to grasp the biggest prize.
878
00:50:03,441 --> 00:50:07,044
Jinnah was a convinced
secular nationalist
879
00:50:07,144 --> 00:50:12,550
who only at the very end took
an independent Pakistan,
880
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:15,753
and as for the British,
they were tried
881
00:50:15,853 --> 00:50:18,289
and found wanting.
882
00:50:25,129 --> 00:50:28,065
So that's how India
and Pakistan got freedom
883
00:50:28,165 --> 00:50:30,368
60 years ago.
884
00:50:30,468 --> 00:50:32,770
It's not been
plain sailing since.
885
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:35,606
There's been 3 wars,
nuclear bombs,
886
00:50:35,706 --> 00:50:38,242
they're still
at loggerheads over Kashmir.
887
00:50:38,342 --> 00:50:41,245
In 1971, East Pakistan,
with India's help,
888
00:50:41,345 --> 00:50:44,215
broke away
and became Bangladesh,
889
00:50:44,315 --> 00:50:47,184
and India and Pakistan
have not yet become
890
00:50:47,285 --> 00:50:51,889
the friends after the divorce
that Jinnah hoped,
891
00:50:51,989 --> 00:50:55,560
but when the dust
settles on 1947,
892
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:58,162
that surely will come.
893
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:06,571
And as for India,
the tale of the last 60 years
894
00:51:06,671 --> 00:51:09,974
is above all
the triumph of democracy.
895
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:14,478
MAN: To manage
the art of building
896
00:51:14,579 --> 00:51:16,681
democratic and stable
political institutions
897
00:51:16,781 --> 00:51:19,884
over 6 decades in a country
which in the first
898
00:51:19,984 --> 00:51:24,055
20 years after independence
was predicted to disintegrate,
899
00:51:24,155 --> 00:51:26,123
and it's begun freeing
the creative energies
900
00:51:26,223 --> 00:51:27,692
of its people,
which had been stifled
901
00:51:27,792 --> 00:51:29,460
by certain political
and economic choices
902
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,662
made after 1947.
903
00:51:34,832 --> 00:51:36,968
We've seen a transformation
of national level politics
904
00:51:37,068 --> 00:51:39,503
where we've gone
from a dominant 1-party state
905
00:51:39,604 --> 00:51:40,938
to coalition governments.
906
00:51:41,038 --> 00:51:44,909
We've seen a transformation
in the economy.
907
00:51:45,009 --> 00:51:47,912
WOOD: And its economy is
making India a global giant
908
00:51:48,012 --> 00:51:50,114
in the new century.
909
00:51:50,214 --> 00:51:52,717
Soon to become
the world's biggest population,
910
00:51:52,817 --> 00:51:55,086
by the 2030s
it's predicted
911
00:51:55,186 --> 00:51:59,190
that India's GDP will
overtake the United States
912
00:51:59,290 --> 00:52:01,425
and India will resume
the position it has had
913
00:52:01,525 --> 00:52:03,294
for much of history.
914
00:52:03,394 --> 00:52:05,596
The world's biggest
democracy is looking
915
00:52:05,696 --> 00:52:07,865
once more to the future.
916
00:52:11,102 --> 00:52:14,605
THAROOR: Indians are filled
with a sense of the possible.
917
00:52:16,407 --> 00:52:18,442
There is a tremendous
degree of optimism
918
00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:21,912
about the future,
which I think is
919
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:25,316
all the more interesting
for coming from a people
920
00:52:25,416 --> 00:52:28,619
who in so many other ways
are anchored in the past.
921
00:52:49,507 --> 00:52:52,309
WOOD: We've come on a journey
of thousands of years
922
00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:53,878
and thousand of miles,
923
00:52:53,978 --> 00:52:56,714
a tale that began
with the first migration
924
00:52:56,814 --> 00:52:59,083
of human beings out
of Africa and ends
925
00:52:59,183 --> 00:53:02,720
at this point with India
as a global power.
926
00:53:04,455 --> 00:53:08,392
Great civilizations
over time develop responses,
927
00:53:08,492 --> 00:53:10,695
habits, cultural immune systems
928
00:53:10,795 --> 00:53:12,963
that enable them
to absorb the shocks
929
00:53:13,064 --> 00:53:14,732
and wounds of history
930
00:53:14,832 --> 00:53:18,502
and also to use
the gifts of history.
931
00:53:18,602 --> 00:53:22,373
Those are the habits
of successful civilizations,
932
00:53:22,473 --> 00:53:24,709
and India has always done that,
933
00:53:24,809 --> 00:53:26,644
always renewing
its gene pool,
934
00:53:26,744 --> 00:53:28,779
always being receptive
to new ideas,
935
00:53:28,879 --> 00:53:30,648
and yet tenaciously
holding on
936
00:53:30,748 --> 00:53:32,349
to that essential vision,
937
00:53:32,450 --> 00:53:35,986
that way of seeing
the world which is Indian.
938
00:53:38,355 --> 00:53:41,992
"At the dawn of history"
Nehru said 60 years ago,
939
00:53:42,093 --> 00:53:45,262
"India started
on her unending quest,
940
00:53:45,362 --> 00:53:48,499
"and trackless centuries
are filled with her striving
941
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:52,670
"and the grandeur of her success
and her failures.
942
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:54,839
"Through good
and ill fortune alike,
943
00:53:54,939 --> 00:53:58,175
"she has never lost sight
of that quest or forgotten
944
00:53:58,275 --> 00:54:01,679
"the ideals which gave
her strength,
945
00:54:01,779 --> 00:54:05,583
"and today, India
discovers herself again.
946
00:54:05,683 --> 00:54:11,655
"India, the ancient, the
eternal, and the ever-new."
947
00:54:21,799 --> 00:54:23,701
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