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AUTOMATED VOICE: (OVER PHONE)
An incarcerated individual

at correctional
treatment facility.

This call is not private.
You may start

-the conversation now.
-(CELL PHONE BUZZING)

RONNIE SANDLIN:
Hi. Is this Alexandra?

-ALEXANDRA PELOSI: Yes.
-RONNIE: How are you doing?

ALEXANDRA:
I'm okay. Thanks for calling.

RONNIE: Yeah, I'm interested
in chatting with you

and telling my side
of the story.

You know,
I'm still incarcerated,

so logistically,
we have to work around that.

I think it's time
to take the Capitol.

I don't say that lightly.
I'm willing to do it.

I'm willing to go and fight
for this country,

even if that means
I have to sacrifice

in some capacity.

If normal, everyday Americans
don't stand up

for justice and truth

and are just willing
to listen to propaganda media,

tell them what to think...

we're gonna lose our republic.

Freedom is paid for with blood,

and tyranny always
masquerades itself

as safety and security, guys.
Do we deserve a republic?

Today is gonna be the test.

Yes, please. Another beer.
(LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA:
What happened on January 6th?

RONNIE: Me and a couple
of friends just said,

"Hey, look, you know, let's go
see what happens that day.

Trump said it's gonna be wild,
you know?

Let's see what happens."

We're out here
protecting the country.

You know, if shit goes down,

if Pence does what we think
he's gonna do,

then we're here
to defend this city.

You know,
we're not silent anymore, so...

The whole thing's a scam, dude.
The whole election,

they can't just steal
an election

like they are trying to do
in Georgia last night.

You either have conviction,

you stand up
for what you believe in,

or you sit down,
you shut the fuck up.

-♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-RIOTER: Meet us there, over.

It's go time.

Time for us patriots
to do our job.

We need to occupy
the Capitol building.

We thought
it was gonna be the last hurrah,

the last Trump hurrah,

and we just wanted
to be a part of it.

-RIOTER: Let's go.
-(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

ALEXANDRA: So, how did you
get into the Capitol?

RONNIE:
Um, I just walked right in.

There was no barricade.

Yeah, I just walked right in,

I have a video of me
just walking right in.

ALEXANDRA:
What would've happened

if you ran into Mike Pence?

I mean, you knew the crowds
were chanting,

"Hang Mike Pence."

RONNIE:

RONNIE:

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

RONNIE:

ALEXANDRA: There were clearly
different levels

-of crimes committed.
-RONNIE:

ALEXANDRA: So, the Left says
that you're domestic terrorists,

the Right says
you're all just tourists,

but the United States
government thinks

-you're all insurrectionists.
-RONNIE:

ALEXANDRA:
So, I've been on the road,

meeting the Jan Sixers
who were sent to jail

for what they did that day,
because I just wanna get to know

the insurrectionist next door.

RONNIE: Right.
The insurrectionist next door.

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

RIOTER:
Thank you, Heavenly Father,

for gracing us
with this opportunity.

NEWSCASTER 1:
During the January 6th siege

on the U.S. Capitol,

federal investigators say

38-year-old Paul Allard Hodgkins
from Tampa

is standing feet away
from the man dubbed

the Q Shaman.

NEWSCASTER 2:
Hodgkins was captured on video

inside the Senate floor
waving a Trump flag,

carrying a rope
with leather armbands

and safety goggles.

NEWSCASTER 3:
And a federal judge
allowed Hodgkins

to be released
on a 25,000-dollar bond.

Tomorrow, he has a Zoom hearing
before a judge in DC.

ALEXANDRA: How does it feel
to be back in DC?

(INAUDIBLE)

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC
CONCLUDES) ♪

ALEXANDRA:
Okay, it's sentencing day.

You're the first January Sixer

to walk in
and take a felony charge.

What are you gonna say?

I do wish to express,
you know, sincere remorse

for what happened that day.

RIOTER: Thank you for filling
this chamber with patriots

that love you
and that love Christ.

ALEXANDRA: How did it feel
to be on the Senate floor?

PAUL HODGKINS: This was
a really overwhelming feeling.

At times, there, I felt like,
"Am I caught in a dream here?"

RIOTER: ...God for surrounding
and filling us with...

PAUL: It was kind of like
some type of--

I don't wanna go as far
as to say a divine intervention,

but some place that I never,
ever thought I was gonna be.

-In Christ's holy name we pray!
-RIOTERS: Amen!

ALEXANDRA: But what
did you think was gonna happen?

You thought you were gonna walk
into the Senate

-and talk to a senator?
-I had hoped so.

I knew that there might not be
a lot of likeliness,

but that's the biggest thing
that I had hoped to have done.

ALEXANDRA: Who was your dream
to meet with?

Maybe Leader Chuck Schumer.

You know, again,
all these people who--

Any of them
who I did speak with,

even if I don't agree with some
of the policies they embody,

I was gonna speak with them

in a civil manner
and respectfully.

NEWSCASTER: Paul Hodgkins
was sentenced today

after pleading guilty
to a felony.

He's the first insurrectionist

to be sentenced
on a felony charge.

ALEXANDRA:
So, eight months in prison.

How are you feeling?

PAUL: Well, as I said
in my statement--

ALEXANDRA:
You could take your mask off.

As I said in my statement,

I'm grateful for any grace
that can be given to me.

And some grace was given to me.

You know, the government
had recommended and requested

that I serve 18 months.

ALEXANDRA:
But after all is said and done,

you're going to jail
for eight months.

And Donald Trump,
what about him?

Some folks have said to me,

"What is Donald Trump gonna do
to help you now?"

I really don't see reasonably,
out of office, what he could do.

ALEXANDRA: I can't believe
that you're going to jail

for eight months
and you're still defending

the president that sent you
there in the first place.

I sent myself there.
My decision making.

I take responsibility
for what I did, okay?

I'm not going to place blame
on the former president,

I'm not going to place blame
on journalism.

I made a poor decision

and I'm gonna be
held accountable

for my poor decision.

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

ALEXANDRA: Wait, so you're still
listening to Fox News?

-(TV PLAYING INDISTINCTLY)
-That's actually OAN.

-ALEXANDRA: But--
-I don't have cable,

so I don't have Fox News.

ALEXANDRA:
So, you're still watching

-conservative television?
-Yeah. (CHUCKLES)

ALEXANDRA:
You served eight months in jail

for everything you believe in
based on what you saw

on the shows
and you're still watching them?

I was supposed to turn
into a liberal with that

or something?

No, no. My, uh...

opinions on what's good
and what's not good

for our country
have not changed.

Hey, we got company.

Cat food.

-Hey, Charlie. That's Charlie.
-(ALEXANDRA CHUCKLES)

PAUL: Do you want this?

Do you? (CLICKS TONGUE) Charlie?

ALEXANDRA:
Oh, then there's this one.

PAUL:
Yep, he heard that can open.

Okay, you can have it.
(CHUCKLES)

ALEXANDRA: So, your sentencing,
you told the judge

that you couldn't go to prison
because you had to be home

to take care of your cats,
but he wasn't very sympathetic.

No, I mean, I thought
I would've lost my home

and I would have had
to put my cats elsewhere.

But people who cared
came through.

Made me kind of miserable
not having them every day

like I'm used to.

You had people, you know,
wishing death upon me,

saying, you know,
I should have been,

you know,
shot by a firing squad.

I've gotten hate mail
at my house,

leading up to when
I went to prison.

I got some hate mail in prison.

Uh, social media people said

all kinds
of horrible things about...

ALEXANDRA:
No, hold on, hold on.

I do not have sympathy
for Jan Sixers

that complain about hate mail

because those are
the same people

that write hate mail
to Nancy Pelosi every single day

and say terrible things
about Nancy Pelosi online

-every single day.
-Yeah, well, I mean, I've--

I've never said anything
about Nancy Pelosi online,

much less wrote her a letter
saying anything hateful.

ALEXANDRA:
So, what are those?

PAUL: Those are pelvic bones
from a steer.

The shape of them
is kind of neat.

I always thought some time
I might take them

and make like a mask
out of them. (LAUGHS)

-ALEXANDRA: How about this?
-PAUL: That is when I achieved

the rank of Eagle Scout,
back in 2000.

And, of course,
my favorite president.

I keep him right up there.

ALEXANDRA: Still?
In the end, you went to jail

for eight months
in the name of Donald Trump?

Yes.

ALEXANDRA: Eight months in jail,

and you're still a true believer
in the cult of Trump?

It's not a cult. (LAUGHS)
It is not a cult.

Once we got elected,
it just felt like--

It felt better than sex

the night he got elected.
(LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA:
It's funny you said "We."

"The night we got elected."

Like, we got him elected
is what I said.

When I voted for George W.,
when I voted for Barack Obama,

it really didn't feel
that way to me,

like we all
were a part of something

that we were all
pushing forwards

and working together towards.

But when it came to Trump,
it did feel like that.

ALEXANDRA:
So, better than sex?

And there's not too many things

that I would give
that description to.

ALEXANDRA: Wait and you got
your Donald Trump Jr. book

next to your bed?

Yeah, it was just recently
I've been reading that.

Wanna see something
that's kind of bizarre?

-ALEXANDRA: Always. What is it?
-PAUL: I'll show you, I have a--

In a jar, I have my appendix
that was taken out and--

-ALEXANDRA: I don't wanna see
your appendix in a jar.
-(LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA: That's a little
too up close and personal.

It's bad enough
that I'm sitting in your bedroom

with your Donald Trump Jr. book.

PAUL: I did work security
for President Trump.

I don't print
all that many of them out.

But if you can see,
there's one of me,

doing crowd control
and had a collared shirt and tie

with the sleeves ripped off,
showing off the big guns.

There he is
at his podium, speaking,

just behind my shoulder,
right there.

ALEXANDRA: You light up
when you talk about Trump.

-(CHUCKLES)
-ALEXANDRA:
It's like you're talking

about a love affair.

Oh, let me see your wardrobe.
Let me see those shoes.

My boots? (CHUCKLES)
You like my boots?

-ALEXANDRA: Love 'em.
-(LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA:
When do you wear those?

Uh, sometimes,
when I go out to the clubs.

These are my wrestling boots
from my days as a pro wrestler.

Kicked a lot of heads in
with these. (CHUCKLES)

(GRUNTS)

(GRUNTS)

-(GRUNTS)
-(CROWD CHEERING)

PAUL: I competed in that
for right about 20 years.

It was about three years ago
or so where I retired.

(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

PAUL:
Felt it was time to walk away.

I didn't get the thrill from it
that I used to.

I never had made it
to the mainstream, WWE, uh...

which is fine.

You know, plans change.

Your passions change,
your interests change over time.

ALEXANDRA: So, your dream was
to be a professional wrestler,

-but that never worked out?
-No, didn't come to fruition.

ALEXANDRA:
So, your dream never came true.

And that left a deep void
that Donald Trump filled.

And you still like
to look at him every day, huh?

Yeah. You know,
I would say, uh,...

his rise to, you know,
being our leader,

you know,
was a big part of my life.

I found a lot of cause in that.

All around,
I like his character a lot.

ALEXANDRA: So, you still idolize
Donald Trump?

I still, uh,
feel that Donald Trump

was the very best US president
of my lifetime, at least.

♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

NEWSCASTER:
On his Facebook page,

Michael Curzio
posted this morning

"On our way back home.
Plus, I got arrested yesterday."

If anything happens

and we get (CENSORED)
arrested or killed,

just know, man, I love y'all
and I did what I believed in.

We're here
for a fucking revolution, man.

That's it. That's it, man.

RIOTERS: (CHANTING)
Fight for Trump!

Fight for Trump!

Fight for Trump!
Fight for Trump!

Fight for Trump!
Fight for Trump!

"Free country," my ass.

"Free country," my ass,
that's what we're fighting for!

Not communist bullshit!

These motherfuckers, man.

"We the People."

They work for us,
and they're throwing tear gas

and motherfucking
flashbang grenades.

This is wrong!

ALEXANDRA: I wanna see you
storm the Capitol.

MICHAEL CURZIO: I'm filming
this video right here.

-(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)
-MICHAEL: That's me right there.

ALEXANDRA:

MICHAEL: Mm-hmm.

-ALEXANDRA: Wait. That's you?
-MICHAEL: Mm-hmm.

ALEXANDRA:
Why are you wearing a face mask?

MICHAEL: 'Cause they were
throwing tear gas.

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

ALEXANDRA:
Why did you storm the Capitol?

MICHAEL: It's not that
I stormed the Capitol.

I was just... I was
in a big crowd

and everybody
was just going forward,

it was just like
the herd mentality.

It was like, "You know what?

We're gonna go in there
and we're gonna be heard.

They're gonna hear us."

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

MICHAEL:
I really like that picture.

That one right there.

ALEXANDRA: So, this is
a very proud day in your life.

MICHAEL: It was.
Believe it or not,

you know, I mean.

ALEXANDRA: So, you're
in the first group of people

-who were arrested?
-Yep.

I was actually one of the first
people to get arrested.

I planned on going there,
hooting and hollering,

and then going home.
Never once on the ride up there

or sitting in my hotel
did I think, "You know what?

It'd be a great idea
to storm the Capitol."

That's stupid.

It really is, okay?
I'm not gonna lie.

ALEXANDRA: So, it was just
a heat of the moment thing?

It... It was. And then people
started getting pissed off.

People started going
and I said, "You know what, man?

This is wrong.
We have every right to be here."

I used to be a Democrat.

I voted for Barack
O-fucking-Bama, okay?

You can go back to 2008
when that man got into office

and my name is on a ballot
for Barack Obama.

But they want to call me
a White supremacist

and they want to call me
a racist and this and that.

And I voted
for the first Black president.

-How does that work?
-ALEXANDRA: How did you get
labeled a White supremacist?

Because of my prison gang
affiliation alone.

ALEXANDRA: So,
when you were in jail,

you joined
a White supremacy gang?

Yeah, I joined
the Aryan Brotherhood

while I was in there.
And it was either sink or swim.

ALEXANDRA:
So, January 6th was not
your first run-in with the law?

I got arrested in 2012,
April 23rd, 2012,

for attempted
first-degree murder.

I put a loaded gun in my mouth

and almost blew my brains out
because I got so depressed.

Right before I went
to prison in 2012,

three days
before I got in trouble

for shooting that man,

I put that nine-millimeter
in my mouth,

put the clip in,

racked around,
put it in my mouth,

close my eyes,
and I squeezed the trigger.

And guess what?
That bullet didn't go off.

And do you know
what happened after that?

I dropped that gun on the ground
and I put my hands in my face

and I cried.
I cried like a little baby.

Okay? And then
I picked up my gun,

took the clip out,
racked the bullet out,

looked at the primer,
and there was a dimple

on the primer in the bullet.
So, the bullet was a dud.

I put that bullet
in a fucking ashtray

and was gonna have
a necklace made out of it

with my name on it.

And three days later...

I shot somebody.

♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

ALEXANDRA: Okay.
Tell me about your childhood.

MICHAEL:
Grew up as a little, fat kid.

Used to get picked on a lot.

And then
when I pissed my dad off,

he'd just beat
the shit out of me.

ALEXANDRA: Sounds like you had
a pretty tough childhood.

MICHAEL: I started smoking weed
when I was a teenager in school,

you know,
in middle school and shit.

And I had a real bad
cocaine addiction

from when I was 16
till I was 22.

I'd say about 80 percent
of the people

that I grew up with are dead.

I only got like six
or seven friends left

-that I grew up with.
-ALEXANDRA: How'd they all die?

MICHAEL: A lot of them
drug overdoses, murders.

So, it's like
a lot of the people

that I grew up with are gone.

This is my second home
right here.

Key.

♪ (HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING
OVER SPEAKER) ♪

(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

ALEXANDRA:
Is it safe for me to be here,

standing here,
talking to you right now?

-Yeah.
-ALEXANDRA: You're the member
of a White supremacist gang.

No, I'm not.

I'm a former member
of a prison gang,

that I did what I had to do
to come home in one piece.

Remember, I did eight years
of incarceration. Okay?

I had to wake up in the morning
in a hostile environment,

go to sleep
in a hostile environment.

I had to sleep
with my shoes on sometimes.

ALEXANDRA: I still don't
understand why you went.

MICHAEL: I went
because I was tired

of not having my voice be heard.

I could go to Washington DC,

and I could be heard
along with hundreds of thousands

or millions of other people.

And that's what I did.
That's why I went.

I was gonna lose
everything anyways.

I was literally, month to month,
scraping together my rent money.

I had to go to where, "Okay,

am I gonna put gas
in my truck this week

or do I got to pay my insurance?

Am I gonna pay my electric bill
or pay my rent?"

You know what I mean?

And that was the decisions
that I had to make.

And finally, I said,
"Enough is enough.

That's it. I'm... I'm gonna go."

ALEXANDRA:
How far did you go in school?

Oh, ninth grade. I dropped out.

I was a fuckup.
But you know what?

That doesn't make me
a stupid person.

I learned trades.

Even though I don't have
a high school diploma,

I know how to run
heavy equipment,

I know how to weld,
I know how to do auto mechanics,

I know how to do carpentry,

and I don't do no office job.

Drive a frigging redneck truck.
Here, check this thing out.

This is the deplorable patriot,
man, it's a piece of shit,

but it's my piece of shit.
I built it.

-Red, white and blue, baby.
-ALEXANDRA: Show it off.

(GROANS)

Eight-hundred-dollar truck
right here.

I bought this thing
with a blown motor in it

and built it up the way
I wanted it... because I could.

ALEXANDRA: So, you did
six months for January 6th?

'Cause I'm an extreme picketer.

ALEXANDRA: Do you still believe
the election was stolen?

Yep. (LAUGHS) Yep!

ALEXANDRA: You still love
yourself that Donald Trump?

The man-- Here's what I liked
about him, though, okay?

He reminded me of how...

real people are.

ALEXANDRA:
He's not a real person.

-He's a billionaire!
-He's a billionaire.

But I'm talking about
like the way he talked,

the way he thought,
I was just like,

"Man, you know what?
This guy's got some balls."

♪ ("SAVE ME"
BY JELLY ROLL PLAYING) ♪

MICHAEL: Everything, in my eyes,
had gotten to a point

where it was affordable.

Things that you wanted to do
were in your grasp

and it got taken away.

♪ Somebody save me ♪

♪ Me from myself ♪

♪ I spent so long ♪

♪ Living in hell ♪

♪ They say my lifestyle ♪

♪ Is bad for my health ♪

♪ It's the only thing ♪

♪ That seems to help ♪

♪ All of this drinking
And smoking is hopeless ♪

♪ But I feel like
It's all that I need ♪

BAR PATRONS:
♪ Something inside of me
Is broken ♪

♪ I hold on to anything
That sets me free ♪

♪ I'm a lost cause ♪

♪ Baby, don't waste
Your time on me ♪

♪ I'm so damaged beyond repair ♪

♪ Life has shattered my hopes
And my dreams ♪

♪ I'm a lost cause ♪

♪ Baby, don't waste
Your time on me ♪

ALEXANDRA: Do you still feel
like what you did was right?

I feel like what I did
was 100 percent right.

-ALEXANDRA: You don't regret it?
-Nope.

Not one bit.

ALEXANDRA:
Would you do it over again?

I probably
wouldn't have went in.

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

NEWSCASTER 1: Jason Riddle
is a US Army and Navy veteran

and a proud supporter
of President Trump.

Riddle took these videos
outside the Capitol building.

RIOTERS: (CHANTING) USA, USA!

NEWSCASTER 1: And then
he followed the mob inside.

He says amid the mayhem,
he found a liquor cabinet

inside a lawmaker's office,

poured himself a glass of wine
and watched it all unfold.

NEWSCASTER 2: He stole this book
from the same office

and also took a small
Fox News football.

NEWSCASTER 3: Now, Riddle
is scheduled to be sentenced

February 17th in federal court.

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC
CONCLUDES) ♪

ALEXANDRA: This is not
what I expected to see

at the home
of a domestic terrorist.

-The Trump-themed tree.
-Trump-themed tree.

And flamingoes,
big fan of flamingoes.

ALEXANDRA:
Who's that right-- Sorry.

Oh, that's my husband,
Robert Schoen.

Talking about wine,
that's actually the sign-in

for the wedding,
you signed a wine cork.

This was all the people
that came to our wedding.

ALEXANDRA:
So, you really like wine?

We both do.
We're big wine people.

ALEXANDRA: I didn't realize
that was Donald Trump.

JASON RIDDLE: Yeah,
when you're a Trump guy,
people tend to buy you

weird presents.

Like... (LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA: Okay, so who are you?

Okay, broken childhood,

typical daddy issues being,
you know, growing up gay.

Military out of high school,
I joined the Navy.

ALEXANDRA: Wait, you should
show us your pictures.

-Like that stuff. What is that?
-That's the Navy.

Basic training for the Navy.

ALEXANDRA:
Show me, show me, show me.

-Where are you?
-In the corner.

There I am.

Looking the wrong way.
(CHUCKLES)

ALEXANDRA:
So, you were in the Navy?

Yes, I was a quartermaster.

ALEXANDRA:
So, you were in the Navy,

the Army Reserves,

and you were a correction
officer?

Yes.

ALEXANDRA:
So, what's a guy like that doing

storming the Capitol?

Um, well, I just went down,

honestly,
basically out of boredom.

The storming of the Capitol
was not part of that plan.

ALEXANDRA:
So, what was it inside of you
that made you think,

"I'm gonna go
inside the Capitol"?

I just wanted to--
I had to see it.

I went in through a side door
and I walked through one office.

I walked through
that main hallway,

I went into another office.

And that's when I saw a fridge
in the corner with wine on top.

Saw people throwing things
and smashing things.

I kind of sat in the corner,

over by the fridge
where the wine was.

I looked down and there were
some wine glasses

and I poured myself
a glass of wine

and I just sat
and watched it all.

ALEXANDRA: But how did a gay,
married man who voted for Obama

end up storming
the Capitol for Trump?

I've been to a lot
of Trump rallies,

and they're a lot of fun,

and I thought maybe this was
gonna be the last one.

ALEXANDRA: So, how do you feel
about Trump now?

Oh, same way. Love the guy.

-ALEXANDRA:
You still love the guy.
-Yeah.

Even though you're gonna go
to jail for him?

I'm not going to jail for him.

I didn't, at any time, think,
"Oh, Trump wants me to do this."

I think that's ridiculous.

ALEXANDRA:
Since you were in the Navy,

shouldn't something
inside of you said,

"I shouldn't go
into that building"?

A lot of judges
are saying to the defendants

when they get sentenced, um,

that are ex-military,
they're saying,

"Because you were military,
you should have known better."

And I think that is
the dumbest thing

I ever heard in my life,

because, you know,
what I did on January 6th

was probably one of the most
idiotic, um, moves

I've pulled
since I was in the military.

In the military,
I was an 18-year-old

that they handed a gun
and taught how to kill people.

Like... (SCOFFS) I--
You talk about immature,

the things I did
when I was in the military,

it was a joke.

Maybe with officers,
maybe with officers.

I'll give them credit.
They should have known better,

but enlisted,
we just do what we're told.

-ALEXANDRA:
So, you're running for Congress?
-Running for Congress.

You can campaign from jail,
not literally,

but you can still communicate
with the outside world

and I can have supporters.

ALEXANDRA: So, why are you
running for Congress?

'Cause I wanna make
New Hampshire normal again.

ALEXANDRA: So, do you have
any regrets about January 6th?

If I could go back,
would I do it different?

I mean, who wouldn't?
But life's not a video game.

You can't hit reset.
I already did it,

so I got to keep playing.

ALEXANDRA: So, how does it feel
to be back in DC?

It's nice. The weather's
a lot better, you know,

and there's not an angry mob

trashing the Capitol building
right now.

Should I have
the MAGA tattoo last time?

-The MAGA-- Oh, yeah.
-ALEXANDRA: Okay, wait.

Hold on, you're wearing
your Trump socks

-to your sentencing?
-(JASON LAUGHS)

No one will notice.
No one will notice.

ALEXANDRA: So, you're rocking
your MAGA tattoo

and your Trump socks.

There we go.

ALEXANDRA: I can see
you're taking the sentencing

very seriously.

Okay, best case, worst case.

What's gonna happen
in there today?

Best case,
she'll be like, "Good job.

Thank you
for trying stop the steal.

Have a nice day. Probation."

Worst case scenario,
a year and a half in prison.

ALEXANDRA: Okay. So, you got
90 days in prison.

How are you feeling?

ALEXANDRA:

ALEXANDRA: Ninety days in jail.
Was it worth it?

I think so.

It was worth it to try
and stop the steal,

one sip of wine at a time.

♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

(CAR RUMBLING)

FELIPE MARQUEZ: (ON VIDEO)
Going over the bridge.

Oh, yeah.

(CHUCKLES)
That's pretty cool.

This is pretty cool.
Just driving itself.

All the way to DC.

My Tesla says I'mma get there
by 9:00 a.m. on the dot.

Hopefully, I'll encounter
a sea of red hats.

Oh, my peoples.
My peoples, they're there.

-Climb the wall! Whoo!
-(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

FELIPE: There's goes my sign.
Trump won, baby. Trump won.

-Whoo!
-(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

Hey, hey, can I get
a fist bump on camera?

Yeah.

Whoo! Yeah.

RIOTER 1:
No, fuck them Democrats!

RIOTER 2: No! No Democrats. No!

-(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)
-(RIOTERS CHEERING)

RIOTER 3: We only broke
a couple windows. Whoo!

(CLAMOR CONTINUES, FADES OUT)

♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

NEWSCASTER 1:
In connection with the attack

on the US Capitol,
25-year-old Felipe Marquez

is charged
with knowingly entering

restricted grounds
and violent entry

or disorderly conduct
on Capitol grounds.

NEWSCASTER 2: Screenshots
from his own Snapchat videos

show Marquez smiling
while taking selfies inside.

He even filmed the moment
he and several others

sat at a conference room table

inside Oregon Senator
Jeff Merkley's office.

NEWSCASTER 3:
Marquez has been sentenced

to three months' house arrest
and 18 months' probation.

ALEXANDRA: Wait, so,
they let you out of the house
to go buy Vitaminwater?

Groceries, medicine,
doctor's appointments.

ALEXANDRA: So liberal of you.

I believe in social programs.
Like, I'm a conservative,

but that doesn't mean
I wanna see the world burn.

AUTOMATED VOICE:
Your home is now disarmed.

Your home is not ready to arm.

-ALEXANDRA: Home, sweet home.
-I like my home.

ALEXANDRA: You're spending
a lot of time here now, huh?

FELIPE: Mm-hmm.

ALEXANDRA:
Oh, I didn't even see that.
Hold on a second.

So, what do you do
under house arrest?

FELIPE: I got my needles.

So, I take testosterone
replacement therapy.

ALEXANDRA:
Why do you take testosterone

-replacement therapy?
-Well, because I had,

like, a low testosterone level,

and I was wondering why
I always felt so depressed

my whole life.
And, you know, I just--

I tried working out.
Couldn't really gain muscle.

I tried to diet. I tried to do
everything I could.

So, I went to the doctor

and they prescribed me
some testosterone.

These are the needles
that I use to inject myself.

ALEXANDRA: Wait,
so were you on testosterone

when you stormed the Capitol?

Unfortunately so.

Ooh, my neck kind of cracks
sometimes when I do that.

-ALEXANDRA: How do you look?
-Uh...

I think I look better
than when I was a vegan.

I weighed 130 pounds,
and now I weigh 160.

ALEXANDRA: So, once you won
money on a lawsuit,

you became a conservative?

It's really weird
how that works.

It's like, "Oh, crap,

I don't have to do
pornography anymore?

Oh, man, this is great.

Oh, I don't have to-- Oh, cool."

ALEXANDRA:
Why did you do pornography?

I don't know. Because
when people are desperate,

they'll sell their soul
and they'll try to do anything

for ten bucks, you know?

ALEXANDRA: How much money
did you make doing pornography?

Nothing. Zero. Like two cents.

ALEXANDRA:
Oh, you were bad at it?

I didn't do enough.

ALEXANDRA: So, tell me
about the transition

from wannabe pornstar
to Christian rioter

that storms the Capitol.

I got heartbroken by an ex,

and I thought that the Left
was destroying the family unit,

and I felt that she was
a victim of human trafficking.

ALEXANDRA: Did you pay her?

No, I never paid her directly.
But she's like,

"Can you give me an iPhone?
Can you give me some jewelry?

Some clothes?

-How about Air Pods?"
-ALEXANDRA: Wait.

So, a hooker broke up with you

and that turned you
into a Christian conservative?

I thought she was just
a regular woman,

that was gonna have
a family with me,

and we would watch
conservative news together.

ALEXANDRA: Thought you said
you were gonna make me a cake?

Yeah, we can make a cake.

ALEXANDRA:
So, tell me the story.

-What's up?
-ALEXANDRA: Tell me

how you ended up
storming the Capitol.

I fell in love with a woman,
she betrayed me,

and I felt that
it was the Left's fault.

ALEXANDRA:
You're trying to tell me

-that you're blaming the Left?
-Solely responsible.

Solely respons-- (CHUCKLES)

ALEXANDRA: You're telling me
that the Left is responsible

for your prostitute girlfriend
leaving you,

and therefore,
you took it out on the Left

-by storming the Capitol...
-(CHUCKLES)

...and participating
in an insurrection?

Men are weird.

Men are weird, uh...

ALEXANDRA:
I don't know if men are weird.
I think you are weird.

I am weird. There we go.

ALEXANDRA:
So, you stormed the Capitol

to impress a prostitute?

Nothing-- Nothing was working
in my brain at that moment.

Nothing. As I'm walking over
the broken glass

to enter the building
because people

have already walked in,

I'm thinking to myself,
"Hmm. If I get in trouble,

this is gonna be like
a Martin Luther King,

Rosa Parks moment for me."

-As I'm...
-(FOOT STOMPS)

...walking
over the broken glass.

ALEXANDRA: Do you have any idea

how offensive it is,
you saying...

I get-- I get it.

...you had a Rosa Parks moment

crashing into the--
storming into the Capitol?

Okay, look, if-- if, um...

You know, it is offensive,
and I fucked up on that point

'cause I don't wanna
be offensive.

Not in that regard.

Especially not in that regard.
Because I love Black women.

I wanna have
my own interracial family.

And that was offensive.

(TIMER RINGING)

ALEXANDRA:
So, one bad girlfriend

and you took it out
on the United States Congress?

Things got out of hand.

I made a lot of bad decisions
in my life.

ALEXANDRA: Why do you call
yourself a conservative?

'Cause I believe conservatives

believe more
in the family structure

than the liberals do.

ALEXANDRA:
That is such bullshit.

I hate when conservatives
belittle liberals

by saying you guys
don't have family values.

-I get it.
-ALEXANDRA: I got a house

and kids and a mortgage,
and everything else.

I have only been married once,
happily, for decades.

And your patron saint,
of your conservative movement,

how many times
has he been married?

More than once.

ALEXANDRA: And he likes
to grab women by the...?

-Thing.
-Grab-- Yeah, thing.

-Thank you.
-Yeah. Yeah.

ALEXANDRA: Do you feel like
you were a little brainwashed
by President Trump?

Yeah. Yeah.

That... That would be fair
to say.

Most people that went
to January 6th

were because they were stupid

and bought the lie
that Trump was pushing.

All I want is to start
my own family.

And because I don't... have

my own, like, wife and kids,
you know, that kind of hurts.

I guess I've been broken
a million times over

and I don't wanna
be broken anymore.

(HANDS RUBBING)

(INHALES)

Okay.

ALEXANDRA: See, you got
your cake and I got mine.

-But we can still coexist.
-Here's some cake.

-ALEXANDRA: Thank you.
-FELIPE: You're welcome.

-Cheers.
-Cheers.

-Ah.
-Mm.

Cake.

-Cake is good. (CHUCKLES)
-Cake is good.

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

We breached the building.
God is on our side!

(OVER PHONE)

RIOTER: You good, pal?

ALEXANDRA: So, are you just
with the January Sixers?

RONNIE:

ALEXANDRA: Ronnie,
what is the worst thing you did

on January 6th?
Tell me the truth.

RONNIE: The worst? Okay, so...

-♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

RONNIE:

Grab the door! Grab the door!

(OVER PHONE)

Yo, grab the door!

ALEXANDRA: But, Ronnie,
if they have video of you

pulling on a Capitol
police officer's helmet,

what makes you think
you're not gonna be

called guilty in a court of law?

RONNIE:

ALEXANDRA: Don't you feel
like Donald Trump

just left you behind?

RONNIE:

ALEXANDRA: So,
what's gonna happen to you?

RONNIE: Uh, I'm looking
at some serious time.

I mean, I could spend five
to nine years in jail.

I shouldn't have walked in
the Capitol that day.

I don't know
what compelled me other than,

you know, the mob mentality.

♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYS, FADES) ♪

(BIRDS CHIRPING)

First time I got locked up,
I was 12 years old

and I spent
most of my childhood locked up.

ALEXANDRA: So, how much time
have you spent in prison?

Uh... (SIGHS)
I've been in and out of prison

three different times.

The longest was probably
about three years straight.

I've been out
for like ten years now.

Over ten years. And...

ALEXANDRA:
What were you in prison for?

Um, fighting, drinking.

Used to get
into a lot of trouble.

Just live in the streets.
Doing street stuff.

ALEXANDRA:
Tell me about your tattoos.

Um...

(SCOFFS) Just a bunch
of old street stuff.

If I could get rid
of all of them and start over,

I probably would, honestly,
'cause I don't like any of them,

they all suck. (CHUCKLES)

ALEXANDRA: Okay, but how about
the one on your head?

-Show it, show it.
-That one, my third degree.

ALEXANDRA:
So, why did you get "Proud Boy"
tattooed on your head?

I'm just very proud
of the organization

or the brotherhood.

ALEXANDRA: When did you
become a Proud Boy?

Um, so, it was after DC.

At the time of DC and the sixth,

I was not affiliated
with the Proud Boys

-at that time.
-ALEXANDRA: What happened?

I'd been interested,
and I've seen we shared

a lot of the same beliefs.

A lot of the guys are like me
and rough around the edges.

Not like a PG group.
It's not anything soft.

So, I was drawn to that
and just the brotherhood.

ALEXANDRA:
But can you see how that tattoo

is offensive to people?

This is a moment
in American culture...

-BILLY KNUTSON: Yes.
-...where the Proud Boys

have been identified
as a hate group.

-Yes, ma'am.
-ALEXANDRA: And you are

identifying yourself
as the poster child

of the hate group.

If they knew
what Proud Boys was,

they would not be offended
whatsoever, no.

ALEXANDRA: So, you're trying
to tell me the Proud Boys
is not a hate group?

-No, it's definitely not.
-ALEXANDRA: What is it, then?

(CLICKS TONGUE) It's...

a love group if anything.

You know that, like, literally
where we're at right now,

this is called
the Bro Love State.

In South Dakota,

these guys don't even really
get involved with rallies

or anything like that.
It's just about brotherly love.

All it is, it's a brotherhood,
men's drinking club.

ALEXANDRA: So, what inspired you
to crawl through the window

and go into the Capitol?

Okay, so, that's where things
get interesting, right?

NEWSCASTER: Billy Knutson,
who lives in Mitchell,

is accused
of entering the Capitol

through a window
and recording video of the riot

that he later used
in music videos

on his YouTube channel.

BILLY:
♪ Reason we supported Trump ♪

♪ Is because he fought for us
And those conservative values ♪

♪ And beliefs
That we believe in so strongly ♪

♪ Give me freedom
Or give me death... ♪

ALEXANDRA: So, tell me
about your music.

BILLY: I used to do gangsta rap.

I used to be into more
just like, lyrical type stuff.

But after I made a song called
"Stand Back and Stand By,"

that's when pretty much
everything changed after that.

It's kind of like a classic
amongst the patriotic community.

DONALD TRUMP: (ON RECORDING)
Proud Boys, stand back
and stand by.

ALEXANDRA: So, you've had over
a million downloads

of this song.

BILLY: Because there's
a lot of people that relate

to what I'm speaking on.

♪ (RAPPING) ♪

♪ I'm locked and loaded
Ready for a civil war ♪

♪ Don't try to tread on me... ♪

ALEXANDRA:
Wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

So, you said,
"I'm locked and loaded

-and ready for a civil war."
-Yeah, that's hypothetically.

That's speaking in metaphors,
basically, I'm not really,

you know--
I can't even have guns.

I'm a felon. So, yeah.

ALEXANDRA: So, do you think
we're gonna have a civil war?

I think we're already in,
like, a civil war.

But it's a culture war
right now.

ALEXANDRA: You still believe
the election was stolen?

BILLY: I do.

ALEXANDRA:
And there's nothing I can do

-to convince you otherwise?
-No.

ALEXANDRA: January 6th

-really activated you.
-Yeah.

ALEXANDRA:
Why don't you play me a song

you think
the kids would really like?

All righty.

♪ ("LET'S GO BRANDON" PLAYING) ♪

♪ They say let's go, Brandon
I say fuck Joe Biden ♪

♪ I'm a real Proud Boy, homie
I ain't never hidin' ♪

♪ I be ridin' with that .45
Trump and the handguns ♪

♪ Stand Back and Stand By ♪

♪ That was
The motherfucking anthem ♪

♪ When I say fuck Joe
You say Biden ♪

-♪ Fuck Joe ♪
-SINGER: ♪ Biden ♪

-♪ Fuck Joe ♪
-SINGER: ♪ Biden ♪

Cover up your ears
for this part.

-(LAUGHS)
-♪ (SONG CONTINUES) ♪

♪ (MOUTHING LYRICS) ♪

ALEXANDRA: Why do you hate
Nancy Pelosi so much?

Gotta see who's knocking
on the door real quick.

ALEXANDRA: Some nice,
family friendly music there.

(BILLY CHUCKLES)

(BABY FUZZING)

-Hi.
-BILLY: What's going on, guys?

ALEXANDRA:
Okay, guys, your dad was just

playing his music for us.

What do you guys
think of that song,

-"Fuck Joe Biden"?
-(BILLY CHUCKLES)

It's a good song.

-(BILLY'S WIFE LAUGHS)
-BILLY: It's a good song?

Yeah, it's a good song.

ALEXANDRA: It's a good song.
You guys like that?

BILLY: What's your favorite song
by Daddy?

-(MUMBLES)
-BILLY: Huh?

Um...

-"Fuck Joe Biden."
-BILLY'S WIFE: Oh, Lacey!

-BILLY: Lacey, don't say that.
-BILLY'S WIFE: Don't cuss.

-Oh my gosh.
-(BABY CRIES)

ALEXANDRA: I wonder
where she gets it.

BILLY: That's why
I'm working on the cussing.

-What's wrong with my baby?
-(CRIES)

-BILLY'S WIFE: He's fine.
-Oh. (COOS INDISTINCTLY)

ALEXANDRA: Aw.

Baby boy, it's okay.

It's okay, buddy.

Okay. I don't know if...

I'm gonna take him
back downstairs.

He's so tired,
I might try to lay him down.

Did you say bye?

ALEXANDRA: Okay.
"Fuck Joe Biden."

What kind of message
is that sending to the kids?

Uh, hopefully, people,
you know...

I guess I don't know, I'd have
to think about the lyrics.

It's not the best song
for kids, no,

but it's not meant
to be hateful, though. No.

ALEXANDRA: Wait,
"Fuck Joe Biden" is not meant

to be hateful?

(CHUCKLES) I mean,
it's not like hate speech.

I mean, I understand,

well, that's
a disrespectful statement,

but, um, that's just what it is.

You know, it's fine.
That's how I feel.

Fuck Joe Biden.

-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-BILLY: Family.

(GROANS) Oh, I got a headache.

-(KNUTSON FAMILY CHUCKLES)
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

ALEXANDRA: How do you feel
about his Proud Boy tattoo?

I wish it wasn't on
his forehead,

but it's something that
he's very passionate about,

I mean,
and I'm not gonna tell him

he can't do something
that he's passionate about.

ALEXANDRA: What do you think
of Dad's tattoo?

Um, I mean...

BILLY AND WIFE:
You can be honest.

BILLY: You can say it's stupid
if you think it's stupid.

-(BILLY'S WIFE LAUGHS)
-Like, I'm fine with it.

But if he didn't--
it's like it'd be better

if he just didn't get it
on his head.

Oh, yeah. I was gonna
get it just right here.

Yes, you were gonna
get it on your arm.

And I would prefer it
on your arm,

but smack dab
in the middle of the forehead...

ALEXANDRA: But you have
to look at that every day.

I mean,
he has a bunch of tattoos.

I've gotten-- I'm so used to it.

I don't judge him
for his tattoos.

ALEXANDRA: How long have
you been together?

Uh...

-Twelve years?
-Yeah.

Twelve years.

ALEXANDRA:
And why do you like him?

I don't know. Why do I like you?

(LAUGHS)

-BILLY'S DAUGHTER:
Oh my God. He's face.
-Interview's over.

(LAUGHS)

Uh, well,
I met him when I was 17.

I was almost 18 when I met him.
We were from the same town.

I got pregnant pretty,
pretty quick.

Where I'm from,
a lot of the dads

are not in their kids' lives,

and he has made sure
that he's been there,

every step of the way.

ALEXANDRA: So, you're trying
to tell me this is the most

-stable guy you've met?
-BILLY'S WIFE: Yeah.

Before I met him, yes.
Before he met me, he was...

You were kind of a troublemaker.

Yeah. Oh, it's definitely
been a process,

but she's stuck with me.

ALEXANDRA:
You don't think your dad--

Your dad looks
really scary, though.

-No, he's not scary.
-BILLY'S WIFE:
No, he's not scary.

Like, if you live with him

and see him every day,
he's not scary.

He comes off
that way to you when he talks.

But he doesn't--
I think it's just from his past,

like being in and out
of prison when he was younger.

-Yeah.
-I think that's put a lot

of wear and tear on him

to where that's just
how he comes off.

And he's really not like that.

ALEXANDRA: So, are you
a Democrat or a Republican?

Um...

ALEXANDRA: You're not gonna
kick her out of the house.

What if she's a liberal?
Are you gonna kick her
out of the house?

-Depends.
-(BOTH LAUGH)

-Depends how liberal.
-No, no.

I mean, if she cuts her hair
and dyes it blue and comes home

and says she's a boy one day,
we might have to... (CHUCKLES)

No, we're not-- See...

-(CHUCKLES) It's a joke.
-And that's the people...

Well, no, that's the thing
that people say

about conservatives,

that we, you know,
we're against other people.

I believe that everybody
is gonna be their own person.

If you're a Democrat,
that does not mean

that we don't like you.

My mom's a Democrat.

-My mom hates Trump.
-And we supported Trump.

Yeah, his mom hates Trump.

She's pro-vaccine,
all that stuff.

ALEXANDRA: Are any
of these kids vaccinated?

-No.
-No.

NEWSCASTER: A Mitchell Man
will spend six months

behind bars for his role
in the January 6th attack

on the US Capitol.

Billy Knutson
will also spend 12 months

on supervised release.

Knutson initially faced
four charges, but made a deal...

(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

There you go.

BILLY'S WIFE:
Your water bottles.

ALEXANDRA: So, how do you feel
about your dad going

to prison for six months?

I just, like, for some reason,
I don't feel like it's real.

It doesn't, like-- When it comes
to mind, it doesn't feel like

it's actually happening.

ALEXANDRA: So, what happened
at the sentencing?

Sentencing was complete crap.

It was 99 percent--
was talking about his lyrics.

And then they did put
a little note in there

that he was not violent
or destructive.

They made it sound
as if he enticed,

he could have been an enticer

for the whole
January 6th song thing

with his
"Stand Back and Stand By" song.

ALEXANDRA: So,
what did the judge say?

Basically, saying how my lyrics,
the rhetoric in my lyrics,

inspired people to go do
negative things,

-the insurrection
and stuff like that.
-BILLY'S WIFE: Yeah.

Because I say that,
"I'm locked and loaded,

ready for a civil war."
That's not saying...

-I'm gonna go, "Yeah..."
-He's ready in case
it comes at him.

"...go start some shit,
let's go start some violence."

That's saying, "If you fuck
with me, I'm not scared.

I'm not backing down.
If you fuck with me, I'm ready."

ALEXANDRA: So, in the statement
of offense, it says...

You sing a song, you say,
"Fuck them all, fuck them all.

It's a lost cause now.

Line them up like dominoes
and watch them all fall down."

"This refrain is repeated
several times."

That was pretty bad, honestly.
Like... (LAUGHS)

That was one that just--

-Hmm, it could've been worse.
-Yeah, it could have been worse.

-I made him change the lyrics.
-She actually made me change

the lyrics on that one,
because it did sound

-a little too aggressive.
-ALEXANDRA: It says,

"Knutson clearly
affiliates himself

with the Proud Boys
extremist group.

'We Proud Boys ready
for a civil war.

Seventy million armed civilians.
Y'all ready? Wanna brawl?'"

"Fuck around and find out."
That's it.

That's all that means.
Same shit.

He's talking about
the 70 million armed civilians.
He's talking about--

-BILLY: Trump supporters.
-Trump supporters.

-Seventy million
Trump supporters that...
-Because he--

ALEXANDRA: So, I get it.

It's your free speech right
to sing these things.

But it seems like the judge
didn't like this line.

You say,
"Had to storm the Capitol.

Nancy don't like us
in her office."

But, clearly,
Billy did not go in her office.

But there was people
in the office.

He was just talking about
what people did.

I thought it was hilarious.
I thought it was a genius line.

I'm artistic.
I think I'm a great lyricist.

ALEXANDRA: I don't like
any of your songs.

Right.

ALEXANDRA: But I support
your right to sing them.

Yes. And so, I feel
the same way about

if somebody is completely
against what I believe in...

That sucks.
I don't agree with you,

but you should be
able to say it.

I don't believe that
just what I'm saying

should be allowed to be said.
Like, everybody should be able

to say whatever
the fuck you want to.

That's freedom of speech.

One person doesn't get to say,
"Oh, that's hate speech.

-I don't like that,
so that's hate speech."
-BILLY'S WIFE: Yeah.

That's not how that works.

What's hate speech to you
and what's hate speech to me

might be two
complete different things.

So, why does your opinion
matter more than my opinion?

These are yours now.

BILLY'S WIFE:
That has snacks in it, okay?

(CAR ENGINE RUMBLING)

(KNUTSON FAMILY CRIES, SOBS)

You guys take care
of each other, okay?

Take care of each other,
be nice to each other,

have each other's backs, okay?

We're gonna get through this.

We're gonna get through this.
We're gonna get through this.

-I love you so much.
-I love you.

(MUTTERS INDISTINCTLY)

(CAR DOORS CLOSING)

♪ ("STAND BACK AND STAND BY"
PLAYING) ♪

♪ The Proud Boys
Ready for a civil war ♪

♪ Seventy million
Armed civilians ♪

♪ Y'all don't really
Want to brawl ♪

♪ United we stand
Divided we fall ♪

♪ But half of y'all
Gon' get fucked up ♪

♪ We gon' ride to this song ♪

♪ Man, I'm so tired
Of the slander ♪

♪ The fake news and propaganda ♪

♪ Rollin' with some Proud Boys
Time to respect the commander ♪

♪ I'm not lyin' when I say
Joe Biden should be ♪

♪ In the slammer in a cell
Right next to Killary ♪

♪ Hold up, cut the cameras
Red, white and blue bandana... ♪

♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

OFFICER: Be advised,
there's probably about

300 Proud Boys.

They're marching towards
the United States Capitol.

Fight for America!

NEWSCASTER 1: Two Tucsonans
were arrested today

after an FBI criminal complaint
placed siblings

Felicia and Cory Konold

at the January 6th riot
at the Capitol.

CROWD: (CHANTING) USA, USA!

NEWSCASTER 2:
A witness provided information

for Felicia Konold's
Snapchat account,

where the report says

she talks about being recruited
into a Kansas City chapter

of the Proud Boys.

The report also says
Konold posted a video saying,

"I never could have imagined
having that much of an influence

on the events
that unfolded today.

We did it."

ALEXANDRA: So, are you guys,
like, best friends or what?

-I mean, we're pretty close.
-We're pretty-- Yeah.

We're like within a year
of each other.

ALEXANDRA:
So, would you follow her
to the end of the earth?

-I mean, I followed her
into the Capitol.
-Feel like we just did.

I just feel like
we already did that.

CORY KONOLD: My sister
wanted to go on a road trip

and I, at first,
didn't want to go,

but then rethinking about it,
I was like, "All right,

that sounds like a good deal."

You know,
I'll keep my sister safe,

have a fun road trip.
Wasn't working anyways.

ALEXANDRA: Wait,
you weren't on a road trip

just to go to DC
for this protest.

You were just on a road trip.

Yeah, we were just
on a road trip,

and we ended up being in DC
on the same day,

seeing that there was a protest.

And we were like, "Well,
we've never been to a protest."

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

CORY: I'd heard about all these
Black Lives Matter protests

and all these other protests
that can end up getting violent.

So, you know, a little bit
of forethought on my end

was at least, like,
I wanted to be able to

be and protect her,
get her out of a situation

'cause I'm a very strong
individual myself.

So, I knew if worst things
came to worst,

I could pick her up and run.

And I've learned this
because of my parkour.

I trained throughout high school
every day, day in, day out,

doing parkour,

and it became
a part of who I am.

So, this is a court.

It's a really beautiful thing
when you watch someone do it.

It's just natural to me.

ALEXANDRA: What does
that do to your ankle bracelet?
Let's see.

CORY: I mean, I'm not sure.

It has a little bit
of movability, but...

ALEXANDRA: So,
it's hard to do parkour

with your electric
monitoring bracelet.

It is because part of parkour

is landing on your toes
and being very soft.

ALEXANDRA:
So, what kind of legal troubles
are you facing now?

It could be a variety of things.

I'm going through
the whole court system

and I could be facing, you know,

a sentence
of up to 36 years in jail.

ALEXANDRA: So, you had no idea

what you were doing
on January 6th was wrong?

I mean, I could presume
at some level it was wrong,

but I didn't quite understand
the extent of it.

You know, I'm not the brightest.

I was in special education
in school growing up.

I grew up on eating Bagel Bites
and pizza rolls and Hot Pockets.

ALEXANDRA: Are you saying
you come from a broken family?

I come
from a very broken family.

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

NEWSCASTER 1: The report
provides evidence that shows,

both Felicia and Cory Konold
participated in helping crowds

pass police barriers
and obstruct law enforcement

from securing the Capitol
from the protesters.

NEWSCASTER 2: The FBI
believes that they are linked

to the Proud Boys.

ALEXANDRA: So, how did you
end up with the Proud Boys?

On that day of the protest,
me and my sister

went to go walk around
just the Washington area.

FELICIA KONOLD:
We came across a group

of very nice, friendly people

that seemed competent
in protecting or helping

if things were to go south.

Walked up to them
and I shook their hand.

I said, "Hi,
how are you guys doing?"

And they introduce themselves
by their names.

ALEXANDRA: Were you a member
of the Proud Boys

-before January 6th?
-No.

I... I heard of them in passing,

but I didn't know
what the group was.

I didn't know
what it was made out of.

I didn't know their mission.

I just thought
it was a guy group.

ALEXANDRA: Well,
how come the government

is saying you're a Proud Boy?

FELICIA: Because I was
walking with them.

And I had orange tape,
I think it was on my hat.

And they also
were wearing orange.

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

NEWSCASTER: Video from inside
the deadly Insurrection

in January shows a woman
preventing security barriers

from closing, in turn,
allowing a crowd of rioters

to storm inside.

RIOTER: Oh, you're scared now,
motherfucker!

ALEXANDRA: How did you find out
that you fell in

with some really bad dudes
that day?

I don't think they're bad dudes.

They're painted as a bad group,
but these people were nice.

ALEXANDRA: Where'd you get
the tactical gear?

FELICIA: I owned it.

I live on the Mexico border,

so whenever you go out
hunting or stuff,

there's cartel out there
and they don't mess around.

ALEXANDRA: Why did you bring
your tactical gear

on your road trip?

'Cause we were going
to DC, too.

That was part of the road trip.

ALEXANDRA: Have you had
any contact with the Proud Boys

-since January 6th?
-No.

And I never had any contact
with them prior, so...

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

RIOTER: This is your chance
to fight for your country.

ALEXANDRA: Your sister's story
does not add up.

She's not telling the truth.

She's lying to us.

She does have a history
of lying, but at this point,

I think she's realized
where her flaws

and lying has gotten her.

And I don't think
she's gonna be lying anymore.

What do you think the truth is?

I think the truth is that

we were in the wrong place
the wrong day.

No, she had a Proud Boy hookup.

Are you 100 percent sure
that she didn't know

any Proud Boys
before she got there that day?

I am 100 percent sure
she knew no Proud Boys.

We didn't even know
the Proud Boys group existed.

We didn't know
where they were gonna be.

♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

ALEXANDRA: His and her
matching ankle monitors.

Love it.

Sounds like you're falling
on the sword for your sister.

CORY: I mean,
to a certain point,

I did fall on the sword
for my sister,

but at the same time,
I'm not gonna throw her

under the bus for anything.

I love my sister.

I could have kept myself
out of this position fully.

But push comes to shove,
like, I made my choices.

And those choices
led me to here.

ALEXANDRA: You might just
end up in jail for 35 years.

Yeah, exactly. You know,
and that's horrid hearing it.

That... It keeps me up at night.
I have nightmares about it.

ALEXANDRA: You don't resent
your sister at all?

I mean, she's pregnant,

and she has
a ten-year-old child,

and she went and got herself
into some real deep trouble.

Well, from what she was hearing,
the election was stolen.

And a lot of Americans believe

-that the election was stolen--
-ALEXANDRA: Wait.

Do you believe the election
was stolen?

I don't think the election
was stolen.

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

ALEXANDRA: How do you feel
about Donald Trump

after all this?

CORY: He told everyone

the election was overthrown
and to come to the Capitol

to protest it.

And not only that,
but apparently,

he had said something
about 1776.

And as far as I've learned,
that's a date when...

there was a war
that went on for... something.

I haven't looked
into it too much.

ALEXANDRA:
Wait, have you ever voted?

This was actually the first
election that I voted in.

And you know who I voted for?

Biden.

ALEXANDRA: Do you feel bad
about the fact

that you dragged your brother
into this criminal mess?

I didn't drag him.
We wanted to go

on a road trip together,
and we did.

NEWSCASTER: Felicia and Cory
now face a slew of charges,

including conspiracy

and entering
a restricted building.

CORY: I'm a fool
at the wrong place

at the wrong time.

If I could have sat there,

knowing that
that's what the building was,

that going on
was the voting count,

and interrupting it
would cost me this,

would cost me that,

I wouldn't have let myself go in

and I wouldn't have let
my sister go in.

ALEXANDRA: Did you know
you were pregnant

-when you got arrested?
-No.

ALEXANDRA:
But if you have to go to jail,
what's gonna happen to your son?

That part
I haven't even thought about

because that part
is uncomprehendable to me.

Like, if I have to go to jail,
what's gonna happen
to my unborn baby?

Like, those are things that
I cannot mentally comprehend.

♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

WILLIAM MERRY: Emmy, Emmy.

Some guy pulled down
the Speaker of the House plaque

and Emily got part of it.
(LAUGHS)

-You bitch.
-(EMILY HERNANDEZ LAUGHS)

Here you go.
Here you go, brother.

RIOTERS: (CHANTING)
Nancy, Nancy, Nancy!

NEWSCASTER 1:
The Missouri woman seen carrying

House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi's nameplate

in last week's riot
at the Capitol

is facing charges tonight.

Emily Hernandez

of Sullivan, Missouri,
near St. Louis,

was identified through tips
to the FBI.

NEWSCASTER 2: A photo shows
Hernandez holding up

a wooden plate
from Nancy Pelosi's office.

NEWSCASTER 3: A Sullivan woman,
accused of stealing

from the US Capitol
during the January 6th riots,

turned herself in to authorities
in St. Louis,

late this afternoon.

She's a 21-year-old girl,

and she's got her whole life
ahead of her.

She knows, you know,
this was obviously a mistake,

but she's ready to move past it,
ready to, um, do the things

that she needs to do
to correct it.

NEWSCASTER 4:
A Franklin County woman

who pleaded guilty
to her involvement

in the January 6th
Capitol insurrection

will be sentenced today.

NEWSCASTER 5: Hernandez
is charged with entering

and remaining
in a restricted building

in the January 6th riot.

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR
OVER RECORDING)

RIOTER 1: (OVER RECORDING)

RIOTER 2: (OVER RECORDING)

(OVER PHONE)

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR
OVER RECORDING)

ALEXANDRA: Emily,
you were with an angry mob.

What do you think the angry mob
would have done

if they saw Nancy Pelosi?

I don't know.

They probably would have
maybe tried to hurt her.

ALEXANDRA:
Emily, did you go to the Capitol
to assassinate my mother?

No. Oh my God. No. No.

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

ALEXANDRA:
Why did you take her sign?

EMILY:
Well, it was being smashed down.

Smashed down on the ground.

RIOTERS: Yeah!

EMILY: My uncle was like
"Get a piece of that."

WILLIAM: Get a piece of that!
Get a piece of that!

(INDISTINCT CLAMOR)

And so, I just went down
and grabbed a piece and held it.

WILLIAM: Emily, show the plaque.

ALEXANDRA: Would you have known
who Nancy Pelosi was

if you saw her with your own
two eyes on January 6th?

Uh... no.

No. I actually looked
her up a lot after

and she's just like
a little old lady.

(CHUCKLES) She's just little.

ALEXANDRA: Did you study
government in school?

I've taken government classes
and whatnot,

but it's not like...

I didn't really follow
along with it.

I mean, I've been taught,
but I mean,

it's not like
I really remember that much.

But no, I don't follow
any politics or anything.

ALEXANDRA:
So, why did you say yes

to going to a Trump rally
in Washington?

'Cause I was getting out.

Getting out of the house,
being able to leave Missouri.

My uncle asked me
if I wanted to go

to a Trump speech,
and I said, "Sure."

I didn't necessarily
want to watch the speech.

I just wanted to see the area,

just get out of Missouri
for a little bit.

WILLIAM:

EMILY: My uncle wanted to go.

WILLIAM:

-(RIOTERS CLAMORING)
-WILLIAM: Look at that!

I mean, I was with my uncle
and he made me feel safe.

I have never followed politics

nor cared about them
at that age.

When my uncle asked me
if I wanted to go

to Washington DC,
to watch a Trump speech.

I've always looked up
to my uncle

and I've always trusted him.

I tried calling the cunt,
Nancy, but she wouldn't answer.

-Nancy? Nancy? Cunt!
-(EMILY LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA: Well,
you do learn something

about the company you keep.

I mean, your uncle
was saying terrible things.

Yeah.

ALEXANDRA:
And you were giggling.

Yeah, but I felt like
I did that to save face.

ALEXANDRA:
So, you're from a small town,

little farm community
in Missouri?

EMILY: Yeah.

ALEXANDRA:
How did January 6th change you?

Once people started, like,
posting things about me

and saying really bad things,
it made me start feeling

like I was just a bad person.

I don't know, I got more anxiety
and never wanted to show my face

in... public anymore.

People that I thought
were my friends weren't anymore,

like so many people were letting
what I did, like,

define me as a person,

and I just felt hate
from everybody.

So, like,
I deleted all my social media

because I didn't want to see

what people were saying
about me.

And I'm glad I did

because I didn't want
that negativity.

I just went into a deep hole
of depression.

I don't know. I didn't do much.

Just, life wasn't the same,
I didn't go out or do anything.

I just stayed at home
and tried to ignore my phone.

I didn't feel welcome anywhere.

And then I thought, "Oh,
I'm just gonna start drinking.

Like, I'm just gonna take
a drink to forget about this."

♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

NEWSCASTER 1: Truck driver,
Jeff Barlow, recorded this video

of this car going
the wrong direction on I-44

and cars swerving
to get out of the way.

JEFF BARLOW:
I was flashing my headlights,

to try to warn eastbound
about the car.

NEWSCASTER 1:
Barlow said the car was going

around 60 miles an hour
and he tracked it for six miles,

trying to get the driver
to realize

they were in the wrong lane.

The collision, he says,
sounded like an explosion.

JEFF:
The two cars were airborne.

NEWSCASTER 2: Vickie Wilson
of St. Clair was killed

and her husband, Ryan,
was seriously hurt

when their car was hit head on
in Franklin County.

NEWSCASTER 1:
According to the Highway Patrol,

22-year-old Emily Hernandez
was the driver

of the wrong-way car.

And according
to the crash report,

she was driving drunk.

VICTIM'S MOTHER: I want her
to sit in jail and suffer

for what she's put
everybody through.

ALEXANDRA:
So, what are you charged with?

DWI resulting in death

and DWI resulting
in serious injury.

ALEXANDRA: All on
the anniversary of January 6th?

On, like, the eve of it.

I think they're connected
because the stress that I had

from January 6th

weighed on me for so long

and I just started letting it
destroy my life.

That turned into something else.

Something else that was bad
that destroyed my life.

(RIOTERS CLAMORING)

NEWS REPORTER:
Excuse me. No, no.

No.

Donald Trump won this election.
By far.

We're not gonna let it
be stolen from us.

ALEXANDRA: We're driving
by the White House now.

Hey, Donald! (LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA:
He's not in there. He lost.

Yeah, to some people.

-ALEXANDRA: Not to you, though.
-He's not a loser.

No, no. He got... cheated.

He got fraudulently cheated
out of the election.

It's my opinion.

ALEXANDRA: You still
believe that two years later.

You even believe it.
You know that the--

You can't rightfully say
that Joe Biden

won the election
fair and square.

It's just not possible.

I don't think
they'll let me go in, huh?

ALEXANDRA: No, because you're
a domestic terrorist, remember?

I'm your favorite
domestic terrorist.

Get it right.

-ALEXANDRA: Dude,
you just ran a red light.
-I know.

I'm watching you film me here,

so I'm getting ready
to get a special invitation

to the Capitol jail,
running red lights up here.

-Straight?
-ALEXANDRA: Straight.

All right.

ALEXANDRA:
So, for two years, you've been
trying to prove to me

that January 6th was staged.

January 6th was an attempt
to frame Donald Trump

for the so-called
"insurrection."

-ALEXANDRA: Okay, prove it.
-I am.

I don't have all
of my evidence here,

but I have enough
that's gonna make you say

something strange
went on there that day. So...

ALEXANDRA: You're starting
in Nancy's office?

-JOHNNY HARRIS: Yeah.
-ALEXANDRA: You don't think

that's gonna offend me
in the first shot?

If you can make it this far,

you can make it
the rest of the way, all right?

These two are Antifa.

And they're trying
to direct traffic.

They're trying to send people
to your mother's office.

These are definitely
provocateurs.

Go here, go there,
directing traffic.

That's what we have here, too.

I'm sold on them being Antifa.

A lot of Antifa that day,
they had on gray toboggans,

dark glasses, hoodies, masks,

everything, no Trump wear
whatsoever.

Who dresses like that
to go to a Trump rally?

Who wears a Lexan mask?

I know I sound
a little bit crazy,

but I've evaluated everybody
in this building that day.

And let's see
if we can zoom in on this.

I mean, what is this gray?
What is this?

Who dresses like that
at a Trump rally?

We don't hide our faces.

You only hide your faces
when you're ashamed

or you're trying to--

When you're doing
something illegal.

Again. Toboggan. Hoodie.

Face diaper. I find it strange.

So many pictures
of these people doing this stuff

or this type of people,
provocateur type.

When I show you
these next couple of clips.

You're gonna be like,
"This is really suspicious."

NEWSCASTER: ...the armor,
and is carrying a baseball bat.

Boom! What's that?

The very first flag
that was in the Capitol that day

was a rebel flag.
Was it for the optics?

Who-- I mean,
who carries a rebel flag

to a Trump protest, you know?

I mean, it was to make us
look like a bunch

of Southern rednecks
from the South

taking over the Capitol.
That's the narrative they slung

as soon as they found
a rebel flag.

ALEXANDRA: But the guy who had

the Confederate flag
in the Capitol

got prosecuted.

I believe he's a Democrat.

I can't prove it, but, uh...

ALEXANDRA:
I think he said in court

that he was a Trump supporter.

This is what I saw at the top
of the bleachers

when I got to the top
of the bleachers,

I was really just trying
to get this shot right here.

I wanted that shot.

But this I couldn't understand.

Cops just standing there,
allowing all these people

to walk in peacefully.

They never tried
to secure the door.

They never made any effort

to stop the people
from going in.

They could have easily screamed

or just said,
"Hey, don't go in there."

But they never made
any attempt to stop anybody.

ALEXANDRA: There were
clearly bad people mixed in.

Well, this is just some of it.

It goes on and on and on,
you can't--

ALEXANDRA: Okay. I can't go down
the wormhole with you anymore.

Oh! (CHUCKLES)

You're taking me
down the wormhole, man.

(CHUCKLES) You like
being down the wormhole,

or you wouldn't
be here right now.

ALEXANDRA: So, you're okay
with going to jail for a year

for Donald Trump?

Donald Trump opened my eyes
to a lot of things.

I'm thankful to Donald Trump.
I love my president.

ALEXANDRA: Johnny, what if
you're wrong about everything?

I've been wrong before.

You can't be right
about everything.

But am I right about 2020?
You're damn right I am.

It was a peaceful protest.
It was hijacked.

And to use this
against Donald Trump

to try to impeach him with.

ALEXANDRA:
Okay, just stop talking.

I don't want to hate you.

Every time you start,
you go too far,

-I start to hate you.
-Okay. Okay.

ALEXANDRA:
And I don't wanna hate you.

-It's just fine.
-ALEXANDRA:
We have to get along.

Hey, I have to be hated.

You know,
somebody's got to hate me.

I'm loved
by 80 million Americans,

but I'm gonna be hated
by 80 million more.

So, let's call it
60 million more.

ALEXANDRA:
And there's nothing I can do

to convince you
that you're wrong.

No, no.
And you're not gonna convince me

and you're not gonna convince
the 70 or 80 million Americans

that feel like I do.

ALEXANDRA:
Well, maybe not 80 million.

Eighty million or more.

ALEXANDRA: I understand
that there are questions

about January 6th,

but you can't accept the fact
that the Proud Boys

and the Oath Keepers were
planning something that day.

I mean, three or four people
can be, you know,

I would say stupid like that,
all right?

But was the overall majority
of the people there that day

there to overthrow
the government?

No, there's no overthrowing
the government

with bullhorns and flags.

Do you realize
that the militant organizations

that were there
to overthrow the government

needed a chorus
of little people,

they called them "normies,"
people like you

that were just the fools.
They were using you.

Nobody used me.

I went there
on my own free will.

Nobody come up and said,
"Hey, norm, normie,

we're gonna do this today."

Nobody approached me,
trying to get me to do anything.

I did stupid shit
on my own, all right?

You better not play this shit
on TV, I swear! (LAUGHS)

If you make me look like a fool,

I'm gonna be so...
pissed off at myself. (LAUGHS)

ALEXANDRA: I'm not gonna
make you look like a fool.

-Because I don't think that--
-I make myself look like a fool.

ALEXANDRA: I don't think
that advances the conversation.

-No.
-ALEXANDRA: We have to try

-to understand each other.
-Right.

ALEXANDRA:
We have to listen to each other.

And we have to try to understand
each other.

We can't make fun of each other.

We can't, you know,
hate each other.

You called me a normie.
(LAUGHS)

An insurrectionist, huh?

That's big words
for somebody with a flag.

A flag? How do I take over
a government with a flag?

How? It just don't happen.

So, this whole thing is...

is... is, uh,

somebody's insurrection,
not mine.

-(CELL PHONE BUZZING)
-♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

RONNIE: Hi, Alexandra.
How are you?

ALEXANDRA:
Ronnie, how are you?

RONNIE: I'm all right.

I've been better,
but I'm all right.

ALEXANDRA:
What's happening?

RONNIE: It's crazy in here.
Uh, these people are nuts.

-These people are fucking nuts.
-ALEXANDRA: So, what changed?

It sounds like
something changed.

Thought you said
they were good people,

last time we talked.

RONNIE: (INHALES) You know,
a lot's changed for me.

Uh...

I mean, I think the hearings
really affected me.

Seeing the first day
of the hearings

and seeing them cheering
on the violence

and all the terrible things
that we did.

I was so disgusted
watching them do that.

I mean, I'm the only one here
that's just, like,

actually processing
the hearings.

And any time, you know,
any of the riots come on

they're cheering
like it's the Super Bowl.

These people have no remorse.

They have no regret
for what they've done.

I'm so disgusted by them,
like, just watching them,

'cause I feel so remorseful
for what I did that day.

They don't want to hear
any of the facts.

And...

it just bothers me
that I'm, like,

"Wow, I guess I used to be one
of these people," you know?

And it has made me
feel terrible,

just... terrible.

And I told them, I said,
"Look, you know,

aren't you guys ashamed
of what you're doing?

Aren't you ashamed
of what happened that day

and your actions
and what you did, like I am?"

And of course,
they didn't wanna hear that.

They didn't wanna
hear that from me.

And I'm like
the most hated person

in this unit now
because, you know,

I'm digesting the information
and actually taking it to heart.

And now
they're calling me Rhonda.

I mean, they're just calling me
hateful things now,

racist things.

You know, there's a Black guy
and a brown guy,

and we're both just like
subjected to racism

all the time now.

You know, they still believe
Trump's gonna come back

and election fraud
is gonna get proven.

All this crazy conspiracy shit.

The crazy mental acrobatics
these people do in here.

AUTOMATED VOICE: (OVER PHONE)
You have one minute left.

RONNIE: I'm a category three,

which means
they're considering me

the worst of the worst.

I mean, I did what I did.

I did assault two officers
that day.

I mean, I made a mistake.

You know? And I'm willing
to take responsibility.

Pretty bad.

Yeah. Anyway, that's my time,
I got to run.

I'll call you some time
sooner than later.

Bye.

-ALEXANDRA: Bye.
-AUTOMATED VOICE:
The caller has hung up.

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♪ ("SAVE ME"
BY JELLY ROLL PLAYING) ♪

♪ Somebody save me ♪

♪ Me from myself ♪

♪ I spent so long ♪

♪ Living in hell ♪

♪ They say my lifestyle ♪

♪ Is bad for my health ♪

♪ It's the only thing ♪

♪ That seems to help ♪

♪ Ooh, ooh ♪

♪ Ooh, ooh ♪

♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪

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