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- Daddy!
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- Good morning, Charles.
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- Good morning.
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- Can I see that one?
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- Mm-hmm.
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Ten-round clip,
one-round chamber, double-action.
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- How much?
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- $118.50 with tax.
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- I'll take it.
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- There's a fifteen day waiting period.
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- You need an ID?
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- No, just a California driver's license.
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Gotta ask you a couple of questions.
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Have you ever been a mental patient
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on a leave of absence
from a mental hospital?
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- Lemme think.
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No.
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- Have you ever been found
by a court of law
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to be a danger to others as a result
of a mental disorder?
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- No.
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- Fill out the rest of this.
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I'll see you December 21st.
Merry Christmas.
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- Thank you.
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- Yes?
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- Mother!
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No.
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No, please!
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- The Lord said to me,
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You are my son,
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this day have I begotten you.
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Lord, our God, with the birth of your son,
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your glory breaks on the world.
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Through night hours
of the darkened earth,
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we, your people, watch for the coming
of your promised son.
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- No, no...
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No...
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- As we wait, give us a foretaste
of the joy that you will grant us
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when the fullness of his glory
has filled the earth.
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- Oh, no...
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Please...
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- The word of God became man,
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we have seen his glory.
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God, our Father, we rejoice
in the birth of our Savior.
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May we share his life completely
by living as he has taught.
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We ask this in the name of Jesus Christ,
our Lord.
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- Amen.
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- The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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The body of Christ...
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- Amen.
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- The body of Christ...
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- Amen.
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Sally Ann.
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- Morning, Tony.
How are you doing today?
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Sorry, Tony, you can't go in yet.
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- Hi, Tony.
Uh, let's move away from the door.
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- What's goin' on, Harry?
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- I, uh, I had to borrow your office
for a few minutes.
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- Who are these guys?
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- Uh, federal narcs.
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- Who's in my office?
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- Cordenas. And the narcs
are gonna talk to him when I'm through.
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- Cordenas is gonna talk to you
after three months?
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- He already has.
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- Why, did cops kill a federal agent?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Great. What did you give him?
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- What can I say?
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- Great. Can I have my office back?
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- Well, uh, just a few minutes.
Uh, why don't we get a cup of coffee.
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- What's he doing in my office?
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- He got his wife in there with him.
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Tony, I promised him a contact visit
if he told me what I needed.
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- You're letting Cordenas use my office
as a trick pad?
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- Hey, it's his wife, Tony.
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- I told him use the couch,
not your desk.
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- Great.
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- I warned him keep the place clean.
- Great. This is great.
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Sally Ann, would you ring my office?
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Gotta be in court.
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- This is important, too, you know.
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- Mr. Cordenas,
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are you free?
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One moment.
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- Mr. Cordenas, would you stop
whatever you're doing
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and come out here, please.
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- Hey, man. What is this shit?
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I still got ten minutes coming.
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- It's out of my hands, pal.
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- On the park stabbings,
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see if we can bring in someone
that'll say that the defendant
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with, uh, 33BA would still know
that a broken wine bottle
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is a deadly weapon.
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And tell the city cops to go back
to the park,
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see if they can find the victim's nose.
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Oh, uh, Kate's father
is coming in for New Year's
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so remind me.
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Hi, hon.
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- Hi.
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Tried to reach you this afternoon.
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- Anything special?
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- I thought we could have lunch.
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I called the office.
They said you were gone.
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- Ah, I wish I would've known.
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- You didn't get my message?
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- We had two murder arraignments
this morning,
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then I had to go back to court
this afternoon
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to get bail raised for that guy
in the arson case.
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- Did you get it?
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- Yes, I did.
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- Hmm. You look tired.
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- Come 'ere.
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Hello?
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Yeah, I'm awake.
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I don't know if Major Crimes Deputy
is on duty tonight, Mel,
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I think you should just dial the--
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- What's wrong?
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- Alright, just a sec.
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Let me get a piece of paper and pen.
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Okay.
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What?
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Okay.
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I gotta go out.
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- Where are you going?
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- Stand back, please.
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Stand back, please.
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Behind the line, please.
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- I've never seen anything
like this.
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One victim down here,
then the two upstairs.
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No signs of forced entry. Nothing missing.
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- Oh, jeez.
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Who were they?
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- The one who owns the house,
Mrs. Barbara Ellis, divorcee.
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The other two are her mother and father,
Mr. and Mrs. Robert Hedrickson.
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The rest of the house is undisturbed.
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Just some blood downstairs
and the hallway in here.
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I don't think it was a robbery,
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and I don't think
it was somebody the victims knew.
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The women were shot, dragged upstairs,
and then mutilated.
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The man downstairs was shot
and just left there.
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- Christ.
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George.
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- I thought I'd seen it all.
Nothin' like this ever.
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- What happened?
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- The victims were all killed
in the same fashion, probably yesterday.
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Cause of death is fairly obvious.
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Gunshots to the head,
small caliber bullet, probably .22
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- Yeah, but what about the other ones--
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- The women's bodies were cut open
to get at the organs.
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God knows why.
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Some of the organs were removed.
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December 27th, 1986.
Home of Barbara Ellis.
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- Do you still feel a pulse?
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- Pulses are faint.
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- Let's get the PD cuff
for blood pressure, please.
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- Okay, blood pressure's
a hundred.
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Can't get anything.
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- Uh, let's get some dopamine.
Start a drip, please.
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- Here's the dopamine
added to the IV.
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The dopamine's up, wide open.
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Did she get a pressure yet?
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- Barely. Pulses are faint.
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- Speed up the dopamine
a bit more.
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- Still wide open.
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- I'm feeling pulses.
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- Do we have any back-up?
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- Yes, slow it down.
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Very powerful volt.
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- Let's see the monitor.
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- Sinus passage...
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- What's wrong with her?
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- We restored her heartbeat
but her brain is no longer functioning.
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- No! Tony!
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Why was she even born to die like this?
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- It has to be your decision.
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- No! Why?
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- It has to be your decision.
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- Okay, boys, come help me
cover him up.
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Come on.
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Now, let's say goodbye to Juno
one last time.
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Why don't you get your rake and help me?
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Oh, Juno. He's gonna be chasing cats
in heaven now.
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Alright.
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- Bye, Juno.
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- It's gonna be alright.
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Andy, he's gonna be alright.
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Andy, stop that.
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- Oh, he just doesn't like
going to the dentist.
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- Well, that's no excuse
for trashing a car.
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I'll take him over there.
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Then bring him home,
then I gotta scoot by the plant.
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- I suppose you haven't called the police.
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- Eileen, you and I both know
that Charlie Reece killed that dog.
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Now, I'm not gonna let him
get away with that.
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- I just don't want any trouble from him.
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- Honey, we'll just let the police
handle it, alright?
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Bye bye, Aaron, be a good boy.
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- Bye.
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- Bye.
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- Wave bye.
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- Wave bye bye.
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- Bye, Mom. Bye, Aaron.
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- Bye!
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- We'll be back soon.
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- Come on. Let's go finish breakfast.
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I'll take you to the park,
we'll take your toys,
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and then when Andy gets back...
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Alright, maybe we'll go to the park
in a little while, okay? Come on.
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Aaron, are you through?
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- Yeah.
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- Okay, sweetheart.
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- What are you doing in here?
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Just go on home now, you hear me?
Just go on.
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Charles, what are you doing here?
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Please, leave. Just go away. Please.
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- Gun.
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- I'm sorry.
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- Aaron! Aaron!
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- When, uh, we catch the suspect,
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we're not gonna bargain, no deals,
no psycho cop out,
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nothing less than death penalty.
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Some of you didn't vote for me
but I intend to show the state,
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maybe the country,
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how a crime like this is handled
in this county.
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Tony, I'd like you to give us
a progress report.
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- Uhm. Uh, we have a description of a man,
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six feet, a hundred and forty
to a hundred and fifty pounds,
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red coat, sunglasses,
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near the scene at the time of the crime.
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That's about it.
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This case has got 'not guilty insanity'
written all over it.
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It's gonna be very difficult
to get a jury to believe otherwise.
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It might be--
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- Curse on defense
to show insanity,
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we don't have to prove anything.
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The public wants the death penalty
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and the courts are gonna have
to give it to 'em.
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- Well, I've never gone
after the death penalty.
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If I was in the legislature,
I'd campaign against it.
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- You're not in the legislature.
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In my office, we don't write law.
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We carry it out.
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- Listen, if we find whoever did this
and convict him,
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it's just gonna get overturned
somewhere off the line.
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- If they overturn us, that's the system.
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But if we get a conviction,
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you put on the record
that you can prosecute this.
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The high court's on a dump
but that's final.
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We're going after the death penalty
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as long as the high court
says it's constitutional.
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Period.
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- Daddy, I wanna ride my bike.
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- Uh, let's go find Mommy first, huh?
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- Can I have apple juice?
261
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- Oh, sure. You were such a good boy
at the dentist,
262
00:19:01,783 --> 00:19:02,928
you can have what you want.
263
00:19:17,225 --> 00:19:17,924
- Mommy?
264
00:19:20,831 --> 00:19:21,384
Mommy?
265
00:19:23,635 --> 00:19:24,242
Mommy?
266
00:19:26,491 --> 00:19:27,967
Daddy, daddy, daddy!
267
00:19:27,992 --> 00:19:29,481
- What's wrong, Andy?
What is it?
268
00:19:29,505 --> 00:19:30,767
- Daddy, what's wrong with Mommy?!
269
00:19:30,792 --> 00:19:31,988
What's wrong?!
270
00:19:32,013 --> 00:19:33,706
Where is she?! Where's Mommy?!
271
00:19:33,731 --> 00:19:34,663
Daddy!
272
00:19:34,689 --> 00:19:36,813
- My God! Nooooo!
273
00:19:53,543 --> 00:19:54,622
- How are you and Whalen gettin' along?
274
00:19:56,128 --> 00:19:57,485
- He wants me on the triple murder case.
275
00:19:58,467 --> 00:19:58,847
- Of course.
276
00:20:00,291 --> 00:20:02,040
You'll do a good job
and he'll take the credit.
277
00:20:03,871 --> 00:20:05,519
- Well, I'm one of the liberals
he campaigned against.
278
00:20:05,544 --> 00:20:08,970
- A murder conviction of this lunatic,
if they ever haul him in,
279
00:20:08,995 --> 00:20:09,973
I don't know,
280
00:20:10,922 --> 00:20:12,682
I don't think there's a jury
in the country that would kill him.
281
00:20:12,707 --> 00:20:14,707
Well, they'll maybe look into you
to fumble.
282
00:20:14,733 --> 00:20:17,460
Knowing your feelings,
they'd have a fall guy.
283
00:20:19,133 --> 00:20:21,257
When I was a PD,
I defended the Rainer boys,
284
00:20:21,282 --> 00:20:22,720
Tommy and Kevin.
285
00:20:24,091 --> 00:20:26,521
They were pretty good boys
most of the time, had jobs, no records.
286
00:20:26,546 --> 00:20:29,501
We went to trial because
these two charming fellows,
287
00:20:29,526 --> 00:20:32,879
they got an old woman,
tied her with electrical cord,
288
00:20:32,904 --> 00:20:35,720
left her hog-tied, then sat down
and watched her strangle to death
289
00:20:35,746 --> 00:20:36,940
for forty minutes.
290
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,748
I got up, I reminded my jury
how long it took that woman to die.
291
00:20:42,913 --> 00:20:46,017
They came back in three hours,
not guilty by reason of insanity.
292
00:20:47,346 --> 00:20:48,640
That jury turned those boys loose
293
00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:51,098
because they couldn't believe
that anyone could sit
294
00:20:51,123 --> 00:20:53,784
and watch an old woman
choke to death for forty minutes
295
00:20:53,809 --> 00:20:55,069
unless they were insane.
296
00:20:55,094 --> 00:20:58,505
You got a guy that makes those boys
look like the apostles.
297
00:21:08,916 --> 00:21:11,673
- What of my boy? Where's Aaron?
298
00:21:12,823 --> 00:21:13,949
- We're looking for him,
Mr. Tippetts.
299
00:21:17,752 --> 00:21:19,106
- She's all, I just...
300
00:21:22,206 --> 00:21:24,986
I saw her laying there,
her body was all cut open.
301
00:21:27,804 --> 00:21:28,587
Oh, my God...
302
00:21:37,457 --> 00:21:38,743
- Is there anything I can get you?
303
00:21:42,527 --> 00:21:43,213
- No...
304
00:21:43,238 --> 00:21:44,664
- Will you be staying here tonight?
305
00:21:44,689 --> 00:21:47,022
- Oh, God, no!
I can't stay here.
306
00:21:47,047 --> 00:21:49,322
I can't stay at this house.
307
00:21:55,075 --> 00:21:55,603
- I wanna talk to him.
308
00:21:58,312 --> 00:21:59,152
- Oh, God...
309
00:21:59,177 --> 00:22:01,203
- An hour ago, the fellow over there,
Eugene Tippetts,
310
00:22:01,228 --> 00:22:03,336
brings his four year old kid
back from the dentist.
311
00:22:04,692 --> 00:22:06,019
Finds his wife in the bedroom back there,
312
00:22:07,102 --> 00:22:09,492
shot three times, small caliber,
and mutilated like the others.
313
00:22:09,516 --> 00:22:11,083
- Was she sexually assaulted?
314
00:22:13,402 --> 00:22:14,979
- Entry apparently
through an unlocked back door.
315
00:22:15,911 --> 00:22:16,654
The guy just walked in.
316
00:22:18,606 --> 00:22:20,487
Tippetts has another son,
about five years old.
317
00:22:21,717 --> 00:22:22,416
His name is Aaron.
318
00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:23,996
He was with the mother.
319
00:22:24,909 --> 00:22:26,321
He's not home now. We're looking for him.
320
00:22:27,402 --> 00:22:30,307
- Oh, Eileen.
I love you.
321
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,276
I love you...
322
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:38,570
- Somebody start checking
with the utilities...
323
00:22:38,595 --> 00:22:39,599
- Tony.
324
00:22:43,228 --> 00:22:44,773
A neighbor saw a white Chevy
pull up to the house.
325
00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:49,225
Saw the driver. Described as a white male,
twenty to thirty, long black hair,
326
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:54,791
six foot, one fifty to one seventy,
old blue jeans, a red parka, sunglasses.
327
00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:56,371
- It's gotta be him.
328
00:22:56,396 --> 00:22:57,684
- The witness knows the guy.
329
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:59,773
He says he lives a couple of blocks away
with his mother.
330
00:22:59,798 --> 00:23:02,996
His name is Charles Edward, excuse me,
Edmund Reece.
331
00:23:18,111 --> 00:23:19,910
Thirty three zero five El Dorado,
this is it, the Reece house.
332
00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:21,585
Do we go in now or wait for a warrant?
333
00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:22,391
- If we have to arrest
with a search warrant,
334
00:23:22,416 --> 00:23:23,617
it'll take a couple of hours minimum.
335
00:23:23,642 --> 00:23:25,966
We have sufficient cause to arrest the guy
if he's home now.
336
00:23:25,991 --> 00:23:27,367
He's a suspect in four murders.
337
00:23:36,086 --> 00:23:36,877
- Cover the back door.
338
00:23:48,076 --> 00:23:48,875
Looks like a Holiday Inn.
339
00:24:07,477 --> 00:24:08,042
Can you hear me?
340
00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:09,516
- Sedatives and tranquilizers.
341
00:24:09,541 --> 00:24:11,582
All presciptions for Mrs. Naomi Reece.
342
00:24:11,607 --> 00:24:13,060
- Mrs. Reece.
343
00:24:13,085 --> 00:24:15,056
- Uh...
344
00:24:15,779 --> 00:24:16,207
- Mrs. Reece.
345
00:24:16,232 --> 00:24:17,179
- Uh, ah Charlie!
346
00:24:17,204 --> 00:24:18,480
- Mrs. Reece,
we're from the Police Department.
347
00:24:18,504 --> 00:24:20,798
- Huh? But why are you in my house?
348
00:24:20,823 --> 00:24:21,757
- We're looking for your son.
Is he home now?
349
00:24:21,782 --> 00:24:23,900
- But I'm.. uh.. did something happen?
350
00:24:23,925 --> 00:24:25,381
- We're gonna search your house now,
Mrs. Reece.
351
00:24:25,406 --> 00:24:26,620
You can come with us if you want,
d'ya understand?
352
00:24:26,645 --> 00:24:27,932
- Mm-hmm, why...
353
00:24:27,957 --> 00:24:29,229
- Sounds like consent to me.
354
00:24:29,254 --> 00:24:30,227
- Where's Charlie's room?
355
00:24:31,829 --> 00:24:33,257
- Stop it. Stop it.
356
00:24:34,584 --> 00:24:35,385
Don't go in here.
357
00:24:35,410 --> 00:24:36,071
- Move out of the way, ma'am.
358
00:24:36,846 --> 00:24:37,522
- You can't be in here!
359
00:24:37,547 --> 00:24:39,235
- Mrs. Reece,
just stand out of the way!
360
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:40,061
- Stop it!
361
00:24:40,086 --> 00:24:41,172
- There's a cellar back here.
362
00:24:41,197 --> 00:24:41,919
- Get out of here,
get out of here!
363
00:24:43,864 --> 00:24:47,378
No. No, get--
No!
364
00:24:47,403 --> 00:24:48,028
- Stay here.
365
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:48,634
- Locked.
366
00:24:48,659 --> 00:24:49,654
- Stop it. Stop it!
367
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:50,145
- Cut 'em off.
368
00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:52,571
- Get away from me. Let me go!
369
00:24:52,596 --> 00:24:53,386
- Stay out of it!
370
00:24:54,318 --> 00:24:55,257
- Get your hands off of me!
371
00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:57,237
Do not touch me!
372
00:24:58,128 --> 00:24:58,911
- What's that smell?
373
00:24:59,514 --> 00:25:01,346
- You cannot even
look in here. This is his special room.
374
00:25:01,371 --> 00:25:02,437
He never lets any--
375
00:25:04,843 --> 00:25:06,130
- Jesus!
376
00:25:07,704 --> 00:25:08,527
- Holy Christ.
377
00:25:12,381 --> 00:25:13,840
Go to Tippett's house.
Get the ID techs over here.
378
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:17,944
- Get out, get out, get out.
379
00:25:17,969 --> 00:25:19,701
Get out, get out.
380
00:25:19,726 --> 00:25:20,892
Get out of here!
381
00:25:20,917 --> 00:25:21,605
- This is an emergency, ma'am.
382
00:25:25,246 --> 00:25:26,421
- Charlie, what were you doing?
383
00:25:30,294 --> 00:25:32,437
- Got some shells over here,
they look like twenty-two's.
384
00:25:32,462 --> 00:25:33,073
- Don't touch 'em.
385
00:25:33,984 --> 00:25:35,918
- My God. This looks like brains.
386
00:25:43,290 --> 00:25:43,809
- Who's in charge?
387
00:25:59,870 --> 00:26:00,793
- The Tippett's kid's had it.
388
00:26:00,818 --> 00:26:02,333
If this guy's got him, he's dead.
389
00:26:03,537 --> 00:26:05,633
- We can't believe he's dead.
390
00:26:05,658 --> 00:26:08,263
Our own justification for being here
is that we believe that boy's alive.
391
00:26:09,951 --> 00:26:10,723
Alright, let's get pictures
392
00:26:10,748 --> 00:26:12,471
and snag everything
that's not nailed down.
393
00:26:13,164 --> 00:26:14,958
This is our guy, Mel.
It's all in plain view.
394
00:26:23,624 --> 00:26:24,604
- You want me to check your oil
and your water?
395
00:26:24,629 --> 00:26:25,671
- No, not today. Thanks.
396
00:26:53,537 --> 00:26:54,260
- Morning.
397
00:26:54,285 --> 00:26:55,193
- Morning.
398
00:26:55,218 --> 00:26:55,964
- You Charles Reece?
399
00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:57,044
- No. He's been gone all day.
400
00:26:58,195 --> 00:26:59,032
- You happen to know
when he's coming in?
401
00:26:59,942 --> 00:27:01,954
- No. If he's not in by now,
I'd say he's out for the day.
402
00:27:03,185 --> 00:27:03,541
Who wants him?
403
00:27:03,566 --> 00:27:04,172
- Are you the owner?
404
00:27:04,197 --> 00:27:05,963
- Heh, no. I just work here.
405
00:27:07,018 --> 00:27:07,516
- What's your name?
406
00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:09,448
- Bob. Robert.
407
00:27:10,557 --> 00:27:11,118
- Last name.
408
00:27:12,746 --> 00:27:13,508
- Tippetts.
409
00:27:14,904 --> 00:27:15,448
Excuse me.
410
00:27:53,194 --> 00:27:53,712
Have a nice day.
411
00:28:03,646 --> 00:28:04,229
- Whose Chevy is that?
412
00:28:05,201 --> 00:28:05,781
- I'm workin' on it.
413
00:28:05,806 --> 00:28:06,279
- Robert.
414
00:28:06,304 --> 00:28:06,729
- Yo.
415
00:28:06,754 --> 00:28:07,591
- You wanna open it for me?
416
00:28:08,801 --> 00:28:09,370
- Where's the keys?
417
00:28:11,976 --> 00:28:12,746
- I don't remember.
418
00:28:12,771 --> 00:28:13,876
- Think.
419
00:28:16,276 --> 00:28:17,912
- They must be inside,
I'll see if I can find them.
420
00:28:18,669 --> 00:28:19,330
- We'll come with you.
421
00:28:27,676 --> 00:28:30,867
- This place is such a mess,
I can never find anything. I never...
422
00:28:31,957 --> 00:28:34,181
know if he put the keys up here or...
423
00:28:35,997 --> 00:28:37,627
...or where.
Sometimes, he puts 'em up here.
424
00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:41,438
Uhm, it could be just about any place.
425
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,336
I don't know, this ring he put all--
426
00:28:44,361 --> 00:28:45,088
- Are these yours?
427
00:28:46,043 --> 00:28:47,021
- Oh, yeah.
428
00:28:48,191 --> 00:28:48,875
Uhm, those...
429
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:50,240
- Shit!
430
00:28:50,265 --> 00:28:50,852
- Hey!
431
00:28:50,877 --> 00:28:51,469
- Halt!
432
00:28:51,494 --> 00:28:52,350
- Hold it right there!
433
00:28:52,375 --> 00:28:53,065
- Halt!
434
00:29:27,236 --> 00:29:27,889
Nobody move!
435
00:29:30,609 --> 00:29:31,687
- Move! Move!
436
00:29:32,623 --> 00:29:33,643
Police! Get out of the way!
437
00:29:37,035 --> 00:29:37,625
Stop!
438
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:38,954
Get your hands up!
439
00:29:39,788 --> 00:29:41,120
Get your hands up
where I can see 'em now!
440
00:29:41,145 --> 00:29:41,919
- Where I could see 'em!
441
00:29:41,944 --> 00:29:42,890
Put 'em up!
442
00:29:44,329 --> 00:29:44,894
- What's the matter?
443
00:29:46,068 --> 00:29:46,511
- Get down on the ground.
444
00:29:46,536 --> 00:29:47,014
- What? What?
445
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:47,644
- Get down on the ground!
446
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:48,361
- I didn't do anything.
447
00:29:48,386 --> 00:29:49,059
- Get down on the ground!
448
00:29:49,084 --> 00:29:49,952
- It wasn't--
449
00:29:49,977 --> 00:29:52,248
- Now! Lay down! Lay down!
450
00:29:52,273 --> 00:29:53,298
- I didn't do anything--
451
00:29:53,323 --> 00:29:54,977
- Spread it out! Go on! Spread out!
452
00:29:56,126 --> 00:29:56,770
- What?
453
00:30:00,988 --> 00:30:01,909
What am I here for?
454
00:30:01,934 --> 00:30:04,002
- You killed a woman today.
455
00:30:05,203 --> 00:30:06,249
- I need a doctor right away.
456
00:30:06,274 --> 00:30:09,246
- Mr. Reece,
did you kill Eileen Tippetts today?
457
00:30:09,271 --> 00:30:11,046
- I need a doctor, please.
458
00:30:11,071 --> 00:30:12,831
- Where's the little boy, Mr. Reece?
459
00:30:13,994 --> 00:30:15,002
- You'll never understand me.
460
00:30:16,312 --> 00:30:16,771
- Why not?
461
00:30:17,201 --> 00:30:18,319
- Because you're not chosen.
462
00:30:19,249 --> 00:30:20,155
Ask me another question.
463
00:30:21,191 --> 00:30:22,315
- Have you ever seen a psychiatrist?
464
00:30:22,341 --> 00:30:24,210
- Yo. Lots of 'em.
465
00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:25,861
- Would you like to see one now?
466
00:30:25,886 --> 00:30:26,782
- Sure, I would.
467
00:30:28,365 --> 00:30:29,296
You'll find out.
468
00:30:30,002 --> 00:30:31,142
You're gonna get a big surprise.
469
00:30:34,487 --> 00:30:35,945
- Mr. Reece, let's cover
a couple load of areas.
470
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:37,584
How long did you work at the gas station?
471
00:30:40,997 --> 00:30:41,780
- Is the shrink here yet?
472
00:30:45,708 --> 00:30:47,079
Dr. Rudin.
473
00:30:47,793 --> 00:30:48,755
Tony Fraser, Assistant DA.
474
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:49,431
- Yes, we've met before.
475
00:30:49,456 --> 00:30:50,837
- Thank you for coming.
476
00:30:50,862 --> 00:30:51,729
- Why did you ask for me?
477
00:30:52,641 --> 00:30:53,427
- You're on the duty roster.
478
00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:54,683
Do you know what's goin' on here?
479
00:30:54,708 --> 00:30:57,332
Okay, I want you to find out
anything you can about this little boy,
480
00:30:57,358 --> 00:30:59,072
then I wanna know
what this guy's problems are.
481
00:30:59,097 --> 00:31:00,737
- Well, I can't examine him
until after he's been charged.
482
00:31:00,762 --> 00:31:01,888
- He's already been charged.
483
00:31:01,913 --> 00:31:03,674
- Well, it would be improper
even to talk to him
484
00:31:03,699 --> 00:31:05,344
'till after he's consulted an attorney.
485
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:06,069
- He has an attorney.
486
00:31:06,094 --> 00:31:08,690
I just want whatever information
you can get on this little boy.
487
00:31:23,708 --> 00:31:24,439
- Hello, Mrs. Reece.
488
00:31:26,169 --> 00:31:27,552
Remember me, I'm, uh, Albert Morse?
489
00:31:27,577 --> 00:31:29,575
I'm the public defender
assigned to your son's case?
490
00:31:32,761 --> 00:31:33,870
Mrs. Reece, I'm here to help you.
491
00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:47,656
Is this your husband?
492
00:31:49,784 --> 00:31:51,088
- He died when Charlie was six.
493
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,452
- Charlie's been telling me
that he used to hit you.
494
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:59,123
- Ha, Charlie? Never.
495
00:32:00,038 --> 00:32:00,798
- No, I meant your husband.
496
00:32:03,627 --> 00:32:07,171
- He, uh, punch me in the face, yes.
497
00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:10,282
A lot of times, he kick me.
498
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:16,517
I was lyin' on the floor with, uh,
pans, broken dishes all over the place.
499
00:32:18,625 --> 00:32:19,200
Cut myself.
500
00:32:20,775 --> 00:32:22,070
Had to get fifty-two stitches.
501
00:32:24,262 --> 00:32:26,422
He was mad about what somebody
said to him at work.
502
00:32:28,795 --> 00:32:30,927
I had blood in my mouth
and I was beggin' him to stop.
503
00:32:34,471 --> 00:32:35,336
I had to leave him.
504
00:32:35,918 --> 00:32:37,026
We were only separated two months.
505
00:32:38,614 --> 00:32:40,915
He came to the place I was stayin'
and, uh,
506
00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:44,227
he actually cried.
507
00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:48,824
He apologized, you know, so I came back.
508
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:52,003
I loved him.
509
00:32:53,485 --> 00:32:54,354
And I missed Charlie.
510
00:32:55,566 --> 00:32:56,805
And I know how much he needed me.
511
00:32:56,830 --> 00:32:58,638
- Wait a minute, you mean,
your husband kept the boy?
512
00:32:58,663 --> 00:32:59,386
- Mm.
513
00:33:00,697 --> 00:33:01,681
- Did you every report him to the police?
514
00:33:03,404 --> 00:33:04,034
Why was that?
515
00:33:05,503 --> 00:33:06,816
- I don't know,
to tell you the honest truth.
516
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:09,121
- Did your husband ever hit Charlie?
517
00:33:09,146 --> 00:33:10,967
- Agh, he loved Charlie.
518
00:33:12,208 --> 00:33:13,985
He would never hurt Charlie.
Charlie was his darling.
519
00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:16,820
- Well he saw him hit you.
520
00:33:19,189 --> 00:33:21,477
- Charlie was standing there,
right there.
521
00:33:24,068 --> 00:33:26,061
I covered my eyes
so I wouldn't have to see him starin'.
522
00:33:29,388 --> 00:33:30,078
- Okay.
523
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:33,671
What happened to Charlie
after his father died?
524
00:33:35,864 --> 00:33:38,664
- Well, he was seven,
but he wasn't a bad child.
525
00:33:38,689 --> 00:33:41,433
You ask our neighbors.
He, he mowed lawns,
526
00:33:41,458 --> 00:33:43,094
he was always helpin' people.
527
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:48,091
He collected food and old clothes
for poor people. Everybody liked him.
528
00:33:48,116 --> 00:33:49,974
He was on the football team
and the baseball team
529
00:33:51,089 --> 00:33:52,754
I have a picture around here somewhere.
530
00:33:52,779 --> 00:33:54,008
- So he has no criminal record.
531
00:33:54,033 --> 00:33:54,356
- No.
532
00:33:54,381 --> 00:33:55,449
- No juvenile offenses.
533
00:33:55,474 --> 00:33:57,543
- Nothing. His grades were always good.
534
00:33:57,568 --> 00:33:59,962
He went off to the community college
for a, a year.
535
00:34:03,637 --> 00:34:04,420
He had a hard time.
536
00:34:05,764 --> 00:34:06,664
It was just the two of us.
537
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,580
But I always gave him love.
538
00:34:12,154 --> 00:34:13,620
I don't believe what they're saying
about him.
539
00:34:14,785 --> 00:34:17,693
If I could see him now, I know
Charlie would tell me the real facts.
540
00:34:17,718 --> 00:34:18,860
- I understand he'd been hospitalized.
541
00:34:18,885 --> 00:34:21,003
- Yeah, at Sunnyslope. They helped him.
542
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:25,256
- Well, who was the one who put him
on the hospital, Mrs. Reece?
543
00:34:27,911 --> 00:34:29,739
- Well, I told Charlie that I thought
he should see professionals.
544
00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:32,382
Just needs professionals.
545
00:34:34,249 --> 00:34:35,421
He got very upset with me.
546
00:34:38,171 --> 00:34:39,033
But he got better.
547
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,424
They let him out.
548
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,246
He can get better, Mr. Morse.
He's a good person.
549
00:34:46,638 --> 00:34:47,444
Just needs love.
550
00:34:48,804 --> 00:34:50,345
He needs all the love I've got.
551
00:35:01,032 --> 00:35:01,551
- Well?
552
00:35:02,170 --> 00:35:03,449
- Okay,
he's got a lot of problems.
553
00:35:04,158 --> 00:35:05,277
Serious, pathological problems.
554
00:35:06,115 --> 00:35:07,883
- Doctor, does he know the difference
between right and wrong?
555
00:35:07,908 --> 00:35:09,399
- He seems confused
and emotionally detached
556
00:35:09,424 --> 00:35:10,470
from the killings.
557
00:35:10,495 --> 00:35:13,222
- Am I going to build a limited case
for legal sanity?
558
00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:16,870
- It's possible. Yes.
559
00:36:01,164 --> 00:36:03,686
- The women were shot,
dragged upstairs and then, mutilated.
560
00:36:04,616 --> 00:36:06,286
The man downstairs was shot
and just left there.
561
00:36:16,513 --> 00:36:20,671
- I saw here laying there,
her body was all cut open.
562
00:36:21,743 --> 00:36:22,932
Oh, my God...
563
00:36:40,769 --> 00:36:42,059
- Looks like
In The Wild in there.
564
00:36:44,728 --> 00:36:46,798
- Had the presence of mind
to pull the shade at the Ellis house.
565
00:36:49,008 --> 00:36:51,910
Brought a plastic bag with him
so he could take the body parts he wanted.
566
00:36:54,132 --> 00:36:55,327
Brought a concealed weapon with him.
567
00:36:56,682 --> 00:36:59,251
He used a carving knife
from the Ellis kitchen for the mutilation.
568
00:37:01,049 --> 00:37:01,825
- I don't see your point.
569
00:37:03,867 --> 00:37:06,847
- Well, to inflict this kind of damage,
you'd need a large weapon, right?
570
00:37:08,063 --> 00:37:08,605
- Right.
571
00:37:09,118 --> 00:37:11,058
- It's hard to carry, hard to conceal.
572
00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:13,979
Maybe he took one away
when he would find one.
573
00:37:14,004 --> 00:37:14,833
That's thinking ahead, George.
574
00:37:16,993 --> 00:37:18,503
- I don't know, Tony,
that could be hard to prove.
575
00:37:20,381 --> 00:37:22,033
- Yeah, well,
I gotta prove it to myself first.
576
00:37:26,911 --> 00:37:28,487
Didn't he wash the knife after he used it?
577
00:37:30,318 --> 00:37:32,479
- Somebody did,
and then took it back to the kitchen.
578
00:37:34,452 --> 00:37:35,084
- And then while he was in there,
579
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:36,773
he looks around for something
to drink their blood.
580
00:37:39,399 --> 00:37:40,353
See, there's no panic.
581
00:37:41,275 --> 00:37:42,501
The kitchen wasn't disturbed, was it?
582
00:37:43,563 --> 00:37:44,183
- No.
583
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,916
No, I was in there,
he whooped very carefully.
584
00:37:47,941 --> 00:37:48,598
- That's my point.
585
00:37:51,125 --> 00:37:52,793
I think he had motivation
for the killings,
586
00:37:55,065 --> 00:37:55,959
and that it was sexual.
587
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,760
Harry, see what else you can find out
about him going back to when he was a kid.
588
00:37:59,912 --> 00:38:01,992
Go back as far as you can, classmates,
girlfriends, whatever.
589
00:38:35,571 --> 00:38:38,026
- We wanna look
at the physiology of Mr. Reece's brain.
590
00:38:39,381 --> 00:38:41,437
By that, I mean to see
if it's the right size and shape,
591
00:38:41,462 --> 00:38:43,818
or if there's anything physically wrong
with it.
592
00:38:45,268 --> 00:38:47,464
This machine
is a Magnetic Resonance Scanner.
593
00:38:48,615 --> 00:38:52,012
It uses a powerful magnetic field
and radio waves to give us the sharpest,
594
00:38:52,037 --> 00:38:53,589
clearest image of the brain.
595
00:38:57,413 --> 00:38:59,485
Alright, we're now passing
through the base of the brain.
596
00:39:01,109 --> 00:39:04,646
The temporal lobe and frontal lobe
are coming around,
597
00:39:04,671 --> 00:39:06,098
they're both normal.
598
00:39:07,293 --> 00:39:08,215
There is no mass.
599
00:39:10,443 --> 00:39:12,815
We're passing through the fourth ventricle
and it's normal.
600
00:39:14,109 --> 00:39:16,659
The third ventricle and lateral ventricle
are just coming around
601
00:39:16,684 --> 00:39:17,839
and there are no lesions,
602
00:39:19,072 --> 00:39:19,783
no bumps.
603
00:39:21,181 --> 00:39:22,592
The size and the shape of the brain
are normal.
604
00:39:23,517 --> 00:39:24,985
He appears
to have no structural brain disease.
605
00:39:27,277 --> 00:39:28,053
- Good luck, Al.
606
00:39:32,376 --> 00:39:35,273
- Charles, I'm Dr. Benjamin Keddie.
I'm a psychiatrist.
607
00:39:35,298 --> 00:39:37,779
I was engaged by your attorney here,
Mr. Morse.
608
00:39:39,474 --> 00:39:42,600
I've gone over your psychological tests
and your magnetic resonance scan,
609
00:39:44,229 --> 00:39:46,457
and I think your best defense is insanity.
610
00:39:47,947 --> 00:39:51,410
Mr. Morse and I will have to convince
the jury of your condition,
611
00:39:52,901 --> 00:39:55,678
so we need you to help us understand it.
612
00:39:55,703 --> 00:39:56,298
You see?
613
00:39:57,019 --> 00:39:58,400
- I don't want an insanity defense.
614
00:39:59,817 --> 00:40:01,162
Everything I did was justified.
615
00:40:01,187 --> 00:40:02,482
I had to do it. It was all up to me.
616
00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:06,136
- Did something tell you
to do those things?
617
00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:09,857
- What do you mean?
618
00:40:10,543 --> 00:40:12,609
- Well, for example,
did something tell you to go out
619
00:40:12,634 --> 00:40:13,453
and shoot people?
620
00:40:17,002 --> 00:40:17,685
- Yeah.
621
00:40:20,441 --> 00:40:21,522
I don't know what it was.
622
00:40:22,570 --> 00:40:23,424
What do you think it was?
623
00:40:24,228 --> 00:40:26,192
- Well, that's for you to tell me,
Charles.
624
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:28,956
- I hear voices on the radio
sometimes.
625
00:40:28,981 --> 00:40:30,125
- What sort of voices, Charles?
626
00:40:30,652 --> 00:40:31,469
- Music.
627
00:40:32,214 --> 00:40:33,052
Tellin' me to kill.
628
00:40:37,149 --> 00:40:38,516
There's this one station I listen to.
629
00:40:38,541 --> 00:40:40,541
It's the devil station.
630
00:40:41,925 --> 00:40:44,085
I listen and I'd hear Satan
telling me to kill.
631
00:40:45,997 --> 00:40:47,563
Sometimes, I think this isn't real.
632
00:40:48,999 --> 00:40:51,454
It's not really messages,
it's not making any sense.
633
00:40:53,508 --> 00:40:55,325
But then finally I figured
it must be true.
634
00:40:57,298 --> 00:40:59,076
So then when I started
to lose all my blood,
635
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:03,456
I figured that it was Satan poisoning me
for not keeping my end of the bargain.
636
00:41:05,033 --> 00:41:06,386
- Do you remember
going in to a woman's house
637
00:41:06,411 --> 00:41:07,513
the day you were arrested?
638
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:11,539
- She was making trouble,
and her dog was poisoned.
639
00:41:13,627 --> 00:41:15,102
- How did you feel
after you killed these people?
640
00:41:16,753 --> 00:41:17,722
- Just kind of delirious.
641
00:41:19,264 --> 00:41:20,016
I didn't care.
642
00:41:20,041 --> 00:41:22,422
- Well, how did you pick out
this particular family to kill?
643
00:41:23,899 --> 00:41:26,252
- I don't know. It was just an accident.
644
00:41:26,277 --> 00:41:27,963
- An accident? What do you mean?
645
00:41:30,158 --> 00:41:31,135
- There's just no reason, you know.
646
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,291
I just walked out to the door,
and the woman opened the door,
647
00:41:33,316 --> 00:41:34,676
and so I shot her right then.
648
00:41:37,281 --> 00:41:38,415
- What happened
to the little boy?
649
00:41:40,115 --> 00:41:44,352
- Oh. I put him in the trash can
with the lid in a garbage someplace.
650
00:41:45,064 --> 00:41:45,852
- Was he still alive?
651
00:41:45,877 --> 00:41:46,816
- I don't know.
652
00:41:48,441 --> 00:41:49,777
I might have shot him
a couple of times.
653
00:41:49,802 --> 00:41:50,524
- You killed him?
654
00:41:51,335 --> 00:41:53,872
- No, I sucked some blood,
and then I got rid of it.
655
00:41:55,471 --> 00:41:57,427
- I'm confused, Charlie,
is to how you could hurt people,
656
00:41:58,152 --> 00:42:00,497
a small child who never did you any harm.
657
00:42:01,759 --> 00:42:02,854
- Why, I never meant to hurt him.
658
00:42:03,743 --> 00:42:04,668
I needed his blood.
659
00:42:07,744 --> 00:42:09,093
Well, I feel bad about it now, I guess.
660
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,385
- But not then.
661
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:12,884
- Oh no, not then.
662
00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:19,750
- Affix time of death in relation
to bullet wounds and knife wounds.
663
00:42:21,016 --> 00:42:22,174
Same with Mrs. Hendrickson.
664
00:42:23,353 --> 00:42:25,916
Further note, Reece knew Mrs. Tippetts.
665
00:42:27,177 --> 00:42:28,123
Did he have a reason for killing her?
666
00:42:28,148 --> 00:42:31,638
Wasn't there a report of a dead dog
to the police department?
667
00:42:31,663 --> 00:42:32,632
- Mr. Tippetts is here.
668
00:42:33,642 --> 00:42:34,403
- Oh, right.
669
00:42:35,484 --> 00:42:36,095
I need to interview him
670
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,099
and I didn't want him have to do it
at the office.
671
00:42:38,124 --> 00:42:38,673
- Okay.
672
00:42:38,698 --> 00:42:39,334
- Is it alright?
673
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,695
This is the man whose wife was--
674
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:43,679
- I know. He has his son with him.
675
00:42:51,344 --> 00:42:52,050
- Thank you for coming.
676
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:54,825
Hello, son.
677
00:42:54,850 --> 00:42:56,064
- Do you have any toys?
678
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:57,570
- We might have.
679
00:42:58,491 --> 00:42:59,152
Come on.
680
00:43:10,857 --> 00:43:11,757
- Can I have a drink?
681
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:14,860
- Sure. What would you like?
682
00:43:15,872 --> 00:43:17,647
- Mmm, water. No, apple juice.
683
00:43:17,672 --> 00:43:18,806
- Okay.
684
00:43:20,272 --> 00:43:20,930
Mr. Tippetts.
685
00:43:21,672 --> 00:43:23,271
- Uh, no, thank you very much,
Mrs. Fraser.
686
00:43:23,296 --> 00:43:24,249
- Can I have a Coke?
687
00:43:25,058 --> 00:43:26,866
- I think the apple juice would be better
for you, son.
688
00:43:28,172 --> 00:43:29,830
- Andrew was asking we had any toys.
689
00:43:33,283 --> 00:43:34,332
Come on, let's talk outside.
690
00:43:35,049 --> 00:43:35,825
- Be a good boy, Andrew.
691
00:43:39,923 --> 00:43:40,731
- Here you go...
692
00:43:43,509 --> 00:43:45,333
- I know it's difficult
to talk about it,
693
00:43:46,586 --> 00:43:50,436
but you were the first person,
aside from your son, to find your wife.
694
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,577
And I need to have the jurors hear you.
695
00:43:55,475 --> 00:43:58,465
I need to have them see her
through your eyes.
696
00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:01,992
- They all say that he's nuts.
697
00:44:03,965 --> 00:44:05,054
I'm betting you do think that he's nuts,
don't you?
698
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,592
- No, I don't.
699
00:44:09,068 --> 00:44:11,119
I think Reece knew what he was doing
when he killed your wife.
700
00:44:11,144 --> 00:44:14,668
- This is, this is, this is...
this is all, it's a waste of time.
701
00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:15,808
- It isn't a waste of time--
702
00:44:15,833 --> 00:44:17,221
- I don't have the time, mister.
703
00:44:17,246 --> 00:44:18,406
I got no time.
704
00:44:20,026 --> 00:44:22,300
I sit there at home,
and I watch my boy Andrew,
705
00:44:22,325 --> 00:44:23,729
that's all I do, I watch him.
706
00:44:25,537 --> 00:44:27,627
That boy, he's all I got left.
707
00:44:29,177 --> 00:44:29,774
You understand?
708
00:44:29,799 --> 00:44:32,064
- We're preparing to meet
Reece's insanity defense.
709
00:44:34,143 --> 00:44:37,796
I'm asking for the death penalty,
which I've never done before.
710
00:44:39,862 --> 00:44:41,120
But I feel, in this case,
711
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:44,836
I think the jury would vote for it.
712
00:44:47,295 --> 00:44:49,052
You have to understand, if he's acquitted,
713
00:44:49,077 --> 00:44:51,480
or if he's found not guilty
by reason of insanity,
714
00:44:51,504 --> 00:44:54,391
they'll let him out of a hospital
or prison someday
715
00:44:54,416 --> 00:44:56,848
and he'll be on the streets again.
I know you don't want that.
716
00:44:56,873 --> 00:44:59,696
- No. No, sir, no.
717
00:45:04,862 --> 00:45:05,964
- It's a terrible thing to lose a child.
718
00:45:05,989 --> 00:45:08,308
- Oh, oh, you don't know.
719
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:09,499
- I do know.
720
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:12,313
I had a daughter younger than Aaron.
721
00:45:13,852 --> 00:45:14,970
We lost her six months ago.
722
00:45:17,051 --> 00:45:17,933
- Lost her? What do...
723
00:45:17,958 --> 00:45:20,138
That's a little bit different,
ain't it, huh?
724
00:45:20,163 --> 00:45:21,599
You lost her?
725
00:45:22,779 --> 00:45:23,810
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
726
00:45:26,212 --> 00:45:27,081
- She had pneumonia.
727
00:45:30,842 --> 00:45:31,796
We thought she was getting better.
728
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,324
When I thought it was past
the dangerous stage, I went back to work.
729
00:45:39,093 --> 00:45:39,993
I had a trial to finish.
730
00:45:43,214 --> 00:45:44,412
My wife stayed at the hospital.
731
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:49,758
The last time I saw my daughter,
she was in an oxygen mask.
732
00:45:53,594 --> 00:45:55,579
- I'm, I'm sorry, I...
733
00:45:57,879 --> 00:45:58,761
Jesus, God.
734
00:46:04,154 --> 00:46:05,085
- Can I color this book?
735
00:46:05,925 --> 00:46:08,283
- Sure. Wanna color together?
736
00:46:08,308 --> 00:46:08,984
- Okay.
737
00:46:09,009 --> 00:46:09,653
- Okay.
738
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,759
- Is this a girl's toy?
739
00:46:13,784 --> 00:46:15,081
- Yeah.
740
00:46:16,807 --> 00:46:17,540
- I love it.
741
00:46:17,565 --> 00:46:18,437
- Hmm.
742
00:46:35,969 --> 00:46:36,902
- When my daughter
lost consciousness,
743
00:46:36,927 --> 00:46:40,326
I had to make the decision
and let her die.
744
00:46:41,763 --> 00:46:42,765
I thought it was better for her.
745
00:46:44,215 --> 00:46:45,368
I feel the same about Reece.
746
00:46:47,424 --> 00:46:50,025
Sometimes, life has to be taken.
747
00:46:52,464 --> 00:46:53,557
I need you to help me.
748
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:57,453
- What if I just don't show up?
749
00:46:59,092 --> 00:47:01,197
- I could have a warrant issued
for your arrest but I'd rather not,
750
00:47:01,222 --> 00:47:02,040
believe me.
751
00:47:04,648 --> 00:47:06,357
- Yeah, I thought a lot about everything
that happened.
752
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,756
We didn't go to church,
I ain't got no religion,
753
00:47:09,781 --> 00:47:11,010
nothing like that.
754
00:47:12,495 --> 00:47:13,991
I think all this was God's idea.
755
00:47:15,020 --> 00:47:15,672
- I don't know, Mr. Tippetts,
756
00:47:15,697 --> 00:47:18,537
I just wanna see Reece punished
for what he did to your little--
757
00:47:18,562 --> 00:47:19,234
- I don't know why,
758
00:47:19,259 --> 00:47:22,952
but I think God, he, he made a judgment
against us.
759
00:47:42,322 --> 00:47:43,905
Did I tell you what I decided
this morning, tiger?
760
00:47:45,785 --> 00:47:47,600
I think maybe you and me
are gonna leave this town.
761
00:47:47,625 --> 00:47:49,692
Just pack up and head out on the road.
762
00:47:49,717 --> 00:47:50,890
- No school?
763
00:47:50,915 --> 00:47:52,222
- No, not for a while.
764
00:47:52,247 --> 00:47:55,378
I think we're just gonna get in the car
and drive.
765
00:47:56,228 --> 00:47:57,116
- How long for, Daddy?
766
00:47:58,107 --> 00:47:59,142
- Well, for a long time.
767
00:47:59,966 --> 00:48:01,206
- Aren't we ever gonna stop?
768
00:48:01,231 --> 00:48:04,559
- I'm not sure. We're gonna stop but
mainly we're gonna drive
769
00:48:04,584 --> 00:48:05,662
and we're gonna see places.
770
00:48:07,575 --> 00:48:08,335
You like that idea?
771
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:10,592
- Can I bring my toys?
772
00:48:11,259 --> 00:48:13,148
- Oh, you betcha, you can bring
every single one of 'em.
773
00:48:14,249 --> 00:48:15,460
- Is there children to play with?
774
00:48:15,485 --> 00:48:17,702
- Lots of children.
You can play with all of 'em.
775
00:48:25,607 --> 00:48:26,814
- How many patients are you treating here,
Paul?
776
00:48:26,839 --> 00:48:28,621
- Fifty or sixty, something like that.
777
00:48:28,646 --> 00:48:30,504
We're operating way beyond capacity.
778
00:48:32,269 --> 00:48:33,265
- Well, you're to be commended.
779
00:48:33,836 --> 00:48:36,537
Usually very ill are treated
by the least trying people
780
00:48:36,562 --> 00:48:37,776
in our profession.
781
00:48:37,801 --> 00:48:38,763
- Thank you, Ben.
782
00:48:39,994 --> 00:48:43,130
- Paul, it's only a matter of time
before the DA discovers
783
00:48:43,155 --> 00:48:45,503
that you examined Reece here
at Sunnyslope.
784
00:48:45,528 --> 00:48:48,887
- No, it, it wasn't me.
It was one of the staff psychologists.
785
00:48:49,859 --> 00:48:50,814
I only discovered it recently.
786
00:48:50,839 --> 00:48:53,158
- Less than six months
before the first killing,
787
00:48:53,183 --> 00:48:56,904
you agreed that he was well enough
to be let go.
788
00:48:56,929 --> 00:48:58,649
- It was the hospital staff.
789
00:48:59,542 --> 00:49:01,298
They didn't see a potential for violence.
790
00:49:01,891 --> 00:49:03,246
We don't have the money or the time.
791
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:05,396
All we could do was warehouse him.
792
00:49:06,498 --> 00:49:07,408
- You're willing
to rely on that
793
00:49:07,433 --> 00:49:08,633
when you get on the witness stand?
794
00:49:11,518 --> 00:49:12,219
- Of course, not.
795
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:17,708
- When it becomes common knowledge
that you certified Reece
796
00:49:17,733 --> 00:49:19,998
and then let him go,
you're going to be sued.
797
00:49:20,023 --> 00:49:21,958
You'll be sued
by the dead victim's families,
798
00:49:21,983 --> 00:49:23,844
you'll be found guilty of malpractice.
799
00:49:23,869 --> 00:49:26,744
My God, remember that case
that they brought against John Hingris,
800
00:49:26,769 --> 00:49:27,904
psychiatrist?
801
00:49:29,481 --> 00:49:31,438
Failure to predict future violence?
802
00:49:33,806 --> 00:49:36,332
You see, there's no question
that he killed those people.
803
00:49:37,831 --> 00:49:39,647
The only question is why.
804
00:49:42,029 --> 00:49:47,920
Now if he is found guilty on those crimes,
you will be persecuted along with him.
805
00:49:49,052 --> 00:49:50,226
- I can't falsify the interview.
806
00:49:50,251 --> 00:49:52,420
- I didn't say anything
about falsifying.
807
00:49:52,445 --> 00:49:55,975
My God, Paul, you don't have to falsify
anything in this case.
808
00:49:57,826 --> 00:49:58,775
- What are you suggesting?
809
00:50:00,944 --> 00:50:01,682
- Change your mind.
810
00:50:01,707 --> 00:50:03,762
- How do I explain that?
811
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:06,063
- On further reflection,
812
00:50:06,088 --> 00:50:08,812
I think that you'll arrive
at the same diagnosis I did.
813
00:50:09,699 --> 00:50:10,685
Paranoid schizophrenia.
814
00:50:12,325 --> 00:50:14,850
- I've never pre-judged a diagnosis
in my life.
815
00:50:15,482 --> 00:50:16,934
- Did he ever mention
anything about the nazis
816
00:50:16,959 --> 00:50:19,113
or being persecuted by demons?
817
00:50:20,165 --> 00:50:21,313
- No, I would have remembered that.
818
00:50:21,338 --> 00:50:23,806
- Then you might wanna include
a few comments on your report
819
00:50:23,831 --> 00:50:26,743
on his persecution delusion.
It's part of his paranoia.
820
00:50:30,284 --> 00:50:31,092
- He has that delusion?
821
00:50:31,953 --> 00:50:32,752
- I had to draw it out of him,
822
00:50:32,777 --> 00:50:35,446
and it's perfectly consistent
with his interest in human anatomy,
823
00:50:35,471 --> 00:50:38,255
and nazis as a satanic cult.
824
00:50:39,711 --> 00:50:42,213
See, just make a few, small adjustments
in your report.
825
00:50:43,614 --> 00:50:45,554
It'll help to coordinate our presentation.
826
00:50:47,133 --> 00:50:48,911
- I'll have to, I have to look at all
my records.
827
00:50:48,936 --> 00:50:50,284
- I didn't hear you, Paul.
828
00:50:53,264 --> 00:50:56,853
- I said I may have some other records.
I'll have to look for them.
829
00:50:58,155 --> 00:51:00,197
- I know you wanna do everything you can
to help this man.
830
00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:04,490
He's sick. We're the only people
who stand between him and death.
831
00:51:05,724 --> 00:51:07,318
The death penalty is intolerable.
832
00:51:08,396 --> 00:51:11,876
You have every right to stretch the truth
if necessary to save his life.
833
00:51:12,713 --> 00:51:14,887
- He can spend six months and God knows
how much tax money
834
00:51:14,912 --> 00:51:16,650
proving he committed those crimes.
835
00:51:16,675 --> 00:51:19,911
But if you go my way,
the people will get their guilty plea,
836
00:51:19,936 --> 00:51:22,132
the people will get a shot
at a joint to life
837
00:51:22,157 --> 00:51:24,126
whether it's a state prison,
or mental hospital,
838
00:51:24,151 --> 00:51:25,869
and no one's gonna let this guy out.
839
00:51:25,894 --> 00:51:27,621
He's gonna stay in there
until the cows come home.
840
00:51:27,646 --> 00:51:29,021
- It happens all the time.
841
00:51:29,046 --> 00:51:32,991
Guy sent to a mental hospital,
later proves he's no longer dangerous,
842
00:51:33,016 --> 00:51:34,305
and they have to let him go.
843
00:51:34,330 --> 00:51:35,437
- Do you really think
that any psychiatrist
844
00:51:35,462 --> 00:51:37,259
is gonna certify this man
for release--
845
00:51:37,284 --> 00:51:38,467
- Al, it happens everyday!
846
00:51:38,492 --> 00:51:39,559
- Oh, come on, Tony.
847
00:51:39,584 --> 00:51:42,735
- It does. What about this guy
who raped a 12-year old girl in the 1980?
848
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,590
Cut off her arms and left her for dead.
849
00:51:44,616 --> 00:51:46,282
He's just been paroled for good behavior.
850
00:51:46,307 --> 00:51:47,925
- If he pleads in front of me today,
851
00:51:47,950 --> 00:51:49,861
you're not lookin' at any state hospital,
Al.
852
00:51:50,934 --> 00:51:53,048
We're talkin' life in prison
and I mean it.
853
00:51:53,073 --> 00:51:55,860
- We're talkin' about this guy
as if he were just another murderer.
854
00:51:57,517 --> 00:51:59,433
Ten years from now, the parole board
or whatever it's called
855
00:51:59,458 --> 00:52:00,824
will have no memory of this.
856
00:52:01,975 --> 00:52:03,898
Sooner or later, they'll let him go,
they always do.
857
00:52:03,923 --> 00:52:05,034
- He's gonna be an old man by this point.
858
00:52:06,044 --> 00:52:08,138
- A maximum sentence from me
and I'm sent nasty letters
859
00:52:08,163 --> 00:52:09,379
from the community to the parole board,
860
00:52:09,404 --> 00:52:11,876
you might wind up getting more
than if you went to trial.
861
00:52:13,088 --> 00:52:13,926
- I'll take that chance.
862
00:52:13,951 --> 00:52:16,129
- What are you gonna tell their families
when the jury comes back in that court
863
00:52:16,154 --> 00:52:17,278
with a second degree verdict?
864
00:52:17,303 --> 00:52:19,227
You're not gonna hold this guy in a joint
too long with that.
865
00:52:20,682 --> 00:52:21,518
- I think I can nail this guy.
866
00:52:24,957 --> 00:52:28,358
- When a defendant raises
the insanity defense as Mr. Reece has,
867
00:52:29,676 --> 00:52:31,027
trial is divided into three parts.
868
00:52:32,855 --> 00:52:34,642
You must first determine his guilt,
869
00:52:35,936 --> 00:52:39,187
then, his sanity at the time
that the crimes were committed.
870
00:52:40,095 --> 00:52:44,742
If you find him guilty and sane,
then in the third part, the penalty phase,
871
00:52:46,366 --> 00:52:47,991
you must decide whether he will live
or die.
872
00:52:53,696 --> 00:52:57,341
- He had lots of pets,
dogs, cats, even ducks.
873
00:52:58,692 --> 00:53:00,473
We used to play with the animals
at Wikigrove Park.
874
00:53:02,324 --> 00:53:05,774
He used to go out of his way to avoid
violence of any kind.
875
00:53:07,028 --> 00:53:09,575
Uh, once, one of the guys
we went to school with
876
00:53:10,845 --> 00:53:15,434
got drunk and took a swing at Charlie,
and Charlie didn't hit him back.
877
00:53:16,374 --> 00:53:19,543
He just sort of backed him down,
and tried to reason with him.
878
00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:23,526
- I was his scout master.
He was a good boy.
879
00:53:25,515 --> 00:53:28,040
I didn't see him for a few years
'till a few months ago.
880
00:53:31,188 --> 00:53:32,104
He looked like an old man.
881
00:53:34,052 --> 00:53:36,638
His face was pale and his eyes were crazy.
882
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:39,584
And he lost a lot of weight.
883
00:53:41,722 --> 00:53:43,507
He seemed really nervous.
884
00:53:45,376 --> 00:53:47,326
He wanted to know about blood poison.
885
00:53:47,351 --> 00:53:50,174
If I knew anyone who died of blood poison.
886
00:53:52,012 --> 00:53:54,356
- I was a nurse at Sunnyslope
when he was a patient there.
887
00:53:55,862 --> 00:53:57,563
I found a diary that he kept.
888
00:53:58,879 --> 00:54:01,070
It, uh, was against the rules,
but I opened it,
889
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:05,961
and found dates, times, and places
of animals that he had killed.
890
00:54:07,257 --> 00:54:09,962
Dogs, cats, rabbits.
891
00:54:10,990 --> 00:54:14,727
When we heard he was going to be released,
we all raised hell about it,
892
00:54:14,753 --> 00:54:16,764
but, uh, it didn't do any good.
893
00:54:18,495 --> 00:54:20,709
- Uhm, we went together
all through high school.
894
00:54:20,734 --> 00:54:24,597
Uh, he was on the football team
and I was a cheerleader.
895
00:54:26,268 --> 00:54:28,800
I didn't have other boyfriends
than just Charles.
896
00:54:31,778 --> 00:54:33,501
He was always very thoughtful.
897
00:54:34,643 --> 00:54:42,375
He used to send me Valentine's flowers,
and we, we were very close.
898
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,427
- Did you continue to see Charles
after you both graduated?
899
00:54:46,438 --> 00:54:49,147
- Uh, yes, I did.
Uhm, for almost a year afterward.
900
00:54:51,137 --> 00:54:54,089
- Would you say your relationship
with Charles was normal relationship?
901
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:58,192
- You mean, sexual?
902
00:54:58,217 --> 00:54:59,109
- Exactly.
903
00:54:59,846 --> 00:55:02,966
- Yes. He was my boyfriend
for almost five years,
904
00:55:02,991 --> 00:55:04,575
I didn't have any other boyfriends.
905
00:55:08,129 --> 00:55:11,164
- Dr. Rudin,
did you make a diagnosis of Charles Reece?
906
00:55:11,189 --> 00:55:16,160
- Yes. I found that Mr. Reece
was a schizophrenic of the paranoid type.
907
00:55:16,185 --> 00:55:17,921
- And what did you base that diagnosis?
908
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:19,618
- May I consult my notes?
909
00:55:19,643 --> 00:55:20,574
- Absolutely.
910
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,962
- Well, first he was chaotic
in his thinking.
911
00:55:24,987 --> 00:55:27,470
He couldn't follow or reply
to any of my questions.
912
00:55:29,203 --> 00:55:31,472
He had delusions, for example,
that Mr. Tippetts was a nazi
913
00:55:31,497 --> 00:55:32,607
out to harm him.
914
00:55:32,632 --> 00:55:34,513
He didn't show any of the reactions
you'd expect
915
00:55:34,538 --> 00:55:36,707
from someone who's committed
a hideous crime.
916
00:55:38,198 --> 00:55:39,092
- This is exactly what I was afraid of.
917
00:55:39,117 --> 00:55:41,725
I want the information that would dug up
on this guy.
918
00:55:43,638 --> 00:55:44,803
- He believes that his blood is poisoned,
919
00:55:46,054 --> 00:55:47,444
that his internal organs
aren't functioning,
920
00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:49,361
and that his heart is failing.
921
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:51,439
- Any of these things true?
922
00:55:52,705 --> 00:55:53,707
- No.
923
00:55:55,936 --> 00:55:57,156
- Now Dr. Rudin, this is very important.
924
00:55:58,645 --> 00:56:02,245
Do you think that Charles Reece understood
the nature and quality of his acts?
925
00:56:02,894 --> 00:56:06,002
- I would say that he had a sense
that he was killing,
926
00:56:06,027 --> 00:56:09,357
but he didn't rationally understand
what he was doing.
927
00:56:10,649 --> 00:56:12,506
- Your honor, I have a request
that I be permitted to re-examine
928
00:56:12,531 --> 00:56:13,551
Dr. Rudin as a hostile witness.
929
00:56:13,576 --> 00:56:14,671
- Objection, Your Honor.
930
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,348
Dr. Rudin is the people's own
psychiatrist.
931
00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:20,995
Just because Mr. Fraser does not hear
the answers he wants does not mean--
932
00:56:21,020 --> 00:56:23,473
- I have certain representations
from this witness prior to trial,
933
00:56:23,497 --> 00:56:24,943
and during his direct examinations,
934
00:56:24,968 --> 00:56:27,839
and he's now testifying in a completely
different manner.
935
00:56:29,044 --> 00:56:31,322
- Objection overruled.
Go ahead, Mr. Fraser.
936
00:56:31,347 --> 00:56:32,214
- Thank you, Your Honor.
937
00:56:36,236 --> 00:56:37,923
You've treated many schizophrenics.
938
00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:39,421
- Yes, I have.
939
00:56:40,263 --> 00:56:42,840
- Most of them live reasonably
normal lives, don't they?
940
00:56:42,865 --> 00:56:44,842
- Some do. Some are hospitalized.
941
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:47,812
- But they all function,
whether they're in the hospital
942
00:56:47,837 --> 00:56:50,088
or outside without killing people.
943
00:56:50,113 --> 00:56:51,163
- Yes.
944
00:56:51,735 --> 00:56:53,903
- Some even hold jobs, raise families.
945
00:56:53,929 --> 00:56:55,252
- If they're treated.
946
00:56:55,277 --> 00:56:57,664
Some may require medication to function.
947
00:56:58,631 --> 00:56:59,222
- But not all.
948
00:56:59,834 --> 00:57:00,820
- No, not all.
949
00:57:01,858 --> 00:57:02,534
- No.
950
00:57:03,718 --> 00:57:09,003
Delusions and abnormal states don't
necessarily equal murder,
951
00:57:09,536 --> 00:57:12,086
even for people who have the same disorder
as the defendant.
952
00:57:12,111 --> 00:57:14,328
- Objection, Your Honor.
Counsel has again commented.
953
00:57:14,353 --> 00:57:15,824
- Ask a question, Mr. Fraser.
954
00:57:16,967 --> 00:57:18,190
- Based on your observations,
955
00:57:19,295 --> 00:57:20,678
do you consider him a threat
to the safety of others?
956
00:57:21,991 --> 00:57:23,994
- I would say so. Yes.
957
00:57:30,064 --> 00:57:32,101
- Doctor, you said you were on the staff
at Sunnyslope Hospital.
958
00:57:34,437 --> 00:57:35,683
- I'm a consultant there, yes.
959
00:57:35,708 --> 00:57:36,533
- Mm-hmm.
960
00:57:37,721 --> 00:57:38,934
Well, during the summer of 1986,
961
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,750
do you remember seeing the defendant
as a patient?
962
00:57:43,514 --> 00:57:44,059
- I do not.
963
00:57:44,084 --> 00:57:45,080
- You didn't see him?
964
00:57:46,709 --> 00:57:49,872
- I said, I don't recall him
if he was there--
965
00:57:49,897 --> 00:57:51,152
- Let me refresh your memory.
966
00:57:51,177 --> 00:57:52,150
These are hospital records.
967
00:57:52,175 --> 00:57:56,047
You certified for release,
July 29th, 1986.
968
00:57:56,784 --> 00:57:59,666
- I didn't release him.
This was a junior member of the staff.
969
00:58:00,994 --> 00:58:01,926
- Well, now, Doctor,
970
00:58:03,549 --> 00:58:06,961
if a member of your staff
certified him for release
971
00:58:06,987 --> 00:58:10,221
just six months before he went
on a murderous rampage,
972
00:58:10,246 --> 00:58:13,042
doesn't that mean that he didn't
manifest any of the symptoms
973
00:58:13,067 --> 00:58:15,005
that allerted you to his dangerousness?
974
00:58:16,006 --> 00:58:17,194
- It was not my decision.
975
00:58:18,435 --> 00:58:20,844
- Did you approach
the interview you had with the defendant
976
00:58:20,869 --> 00:58:22,803
at the police department
with any prejudices?
977
00:58:22,828 --> 00:58:24,449
- I most certainly did not.
978
00:58:25,768 --> 00:58:30,057
- He killed several people, cuts them up,
and drinks their blood,
979
00:58:30,082 --> 00:58:32,297
and knowing these things,
you didn't go in there
980
00:58:32,322 --> 00:58:33,526
thinking he might be crazy?
981
00:58:33,551 --> 00:58:34,660
- I did not. No.
982
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:35,252
- Why not?
983
00:58:35,979 --> 00:58:38,031
- Because people can commit
multiple murders
984
00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:41,038
and still not be, to use your word,
crazy.
985
00:58:41,950 --> 00:58:46,887
- So it's possible then, for a person
to commit a string of sadistic murders
986
00:58:46,912 --> 00:58:48,791
and still be found legally sane.
987
00:58:56,576 --> 00:58:57,254
- Yes.
988
00:59:11,863 --> 00:59:12,975
- Watch out down here,
you might slip.
989
00:59:14,109 --> 00:59:14,669
- Right here.
990
00:59:15,592 --> 00:59:16,169
Right here!
991
00:59:16,194 --> 00:59:17,799
- Where were you when you boys
seen it?
992
00:59:17,824 --> 00:59:19,824
- We were here fishing
993
00:59:23,312 --> 00:59:25,157
These two kids found the body
about an hour and a half ago.
994
00:59:26,487 --> 00:59:27,209
They're down here fishing.
995
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:29,499
That's it down there.
996
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:32,251
We haven't made a positive ID yet,
997
00:59:33,137 --> 00:59:34,674
but it looks like little Aaron Tippetts,
for sure.
998
00:59:36,934 --> 00:59:38,769
John, where the hell are the medics?
999
00:59:56,353 --> 00:59:56,981
- Hello.
1000
01:00:00,613 --> 01:00:01,803
Who is this? Who's calling?
1001
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:08,090
Just a moment.
1002
01:00:12,475 --> 01:00:13,235
It's for you.
1003
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:14,310
- Are you okay?
1004
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:23,918
Who is this?
1005
01:00:25,547 --> 01:00:26,721
- You've gotta get me moved
to another jail.
1006
01:00:28,238 --> 01:00:29,573
They'll poison me here.
1007
01:00:31,154 --> 01:00:32,885
- Don't ever call me at home again.
1008
01:00:34,006 --> 01:00:34,959
Do you understand that?
1009
01:00:35,794 --> 01:00:38,691
If you call me here again, I'll make sure
your phone privileges are revoked.
1010
01:00:40,736 --> 01:00:42,103
- I can tell you anything you wanna know.
1011
01:00:42,128 --> 01:00:44,639
- If you wanna talk to me,
do it through your attorney.
1012
01:00:44,664 --> 01:00:46,789
- Hahahaha.
1013
01:00:55,553 --> 01:00:56,439
- That was Reece, wasn't it?
1014
01:00:57,567 --> 01:00:58,164
- Yeah.
1015
01:00:58,189 --> 01:00:59,851
- He can just call here anytime he wants?
1016
01:01:00,753 --> 01:01:01,831
- I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.
1017
01:01:01,856 --> 01:01:04,755
- My God, he was talking to me.
This crazy killer knows our number.
1018
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:07,076
- I'm sorry, Kate. I'm sorry
this guy has talked to you. Kate?
1019
01:01:08,661 --> 01:01:13,654
Dr. Gables, were you asked to determine
whether the defendant was sane or insane
1020
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:14,627
at the time of the killings?
1021
01:01:14,652 --> 01:01:15,706
- Yes.
1022
01:01:16,539 --> 01:01:18,318
- What sort of, uh, examinations
did you perform on him?
1023
01:01:18,877 --> 01:01:20,544
- I reviewed all the medical
and neurological studies
1024
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:23,150
that had been done on Mr. Reece
including brain wave tests,
1025
01:01:23,175 --> 01:01:24,820
and specialized x-rays of his brain.
1026
01:01:24,845 --> 01:01:28,509
I also performed extensive
psychiatric examinations on him
1027
01:01:28,534 --> 01:01:29,444
over a clinical period.
1028
01:01:29,469 --> 01:01:31,185
- Mm-hm.
And what were your findings?
1029
01:01:31,211 --> 01:01:34,817
- I found him to have no medical
and neurological illness of any type,
1030
01:01:35,838 --> 01:01:38,486
his nervous system is intact,
his general physical health is good.
1031
01:01:39,298 --> 01:01:41,106
He is, in my judgment, legally sane.
1032
01:01:41,869 --> 01:01:43,406
- What other reasons do you have
for stating your opinion
1033
01:01:43,431 --> 01:01:44,729
that the defendant is sane?
1034
01:01:45,499 --> 01:01:46,518
- He knows right from wrong,
1035
01:01:46,543 --> 01:01:49,148
he, uh, went to work,
ran from the police,
1036
01:01:50,497 --> 01:01:51,560
told me he'd killed some people,
1037
01:01:52,448 --> 01:01:54,512
he took - to avoid
observation and detection,
1038
01:01:55,488 --> 01:01:56,890
sometimes, with me, he became evasive,
1039
01:01:56,915 --> 01:02:00,580
made very deliberate concious choices
of what he would or wouldn't talk about--
1040
01:02:00,605 --> 01:02:02,824
- What sort of things
didn't he wanna talk about?
1041
01:02:02,849 --> 01:02:03,505
- I'm sorry?
1042
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:05,135
- What sort of things
didn't he wanna talk about?
1043
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,370
- Uh, why he killed people,
where evidence might be found,
1044
01:02:09,395 --> 01:02:10,957
things that would hurt him legally.
1045
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:14,223
- Doctor, did he know he was killing
living human beings?
1046
01:02:14,249 --> 01:02:17,152
- Oh, but that was the point,
that was why he did it.
1047
01:02:18,723 --> 01:02:21,114
He claims he has a belief that his body
is failing and infected,
1048
01:02:21,139 --> 01:02:23,427
and he's convinced himself
someone else's blood will repair him.
1049
01:02:24,483 --> 01:02:25,667
He had to kill them to get the blood.
1050
01:02:26,313 --> 01:02:28,540
- And you wouldn't, uh,
characterize that as insane.
1051
01:02:29,296 --> 01:02:30,281
- Not into the law.
1052
01:02:31,032 --> 01:02:32,856
Reece's thinking is peculiar,
perhaps psychotic,
1053
01:02:32,881 --> 01:02:35,062
but at all times, he knew
what he was doing,
1054
01:02:35,754 --> 01:02:36,578
knew that it was wrong,
1055
01:02:36,603 --> 01:02:41,076
and he has the capacity to control
his behavior to not kill.
1056
01:02:43,217 --> 01:02:43,970
- No further questions.
1057
01:02:44,684 --> 01:02:45,816
- Uh, Dr. Gables,
1058
01:02:47,884 --> 01:02:51,020
do you believe that Charles Reece
has a serious mental illness?
1059
01:02:52,517 --> 01:02:55,299
- Yes, I do. I've said so several times,
uh, that he's probably psychotic.
1060
01:02:55,324 --> 01:02:56,649
I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear.
1061
01:02:56,674 --> 01:02:58,883
- Oh, well, that's alright, Doc,
we'll take care of that right now.
1062
01:03:00,838 --> 01:03:06,066
Dr. Leon Gables, you've testified
in over fifty cases, haven't you,
1063
01:03:06,091 --> 01:03:06,781
as an expert witness?
1064
01:03:07,610 --> 01:03:08,276
- That's correct.
1065
01:03:08,849 --> 01:03:11,482
- And each of those cases, you have
always testified for the prosecution
1066
01:03:11,506 --> 01:03:13,500
and against the defendant,
is that correct?
1067
01:03:15,794 --> 01:03:18,351
- In each of the cases'
which I've testified as an expert,
1068
01:03:18,376 --> 01:03:22,435
I've made an individual opinion
on a merit case by casee basis.
1069
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:26,237
- That's good, Doctor, but in every case,
you have supported the prosecution,
1070
01:03:26,262 --> 01:03:27,113
is that correct?
1071
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:29,647
- Essentially, yes.
1072
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:32,312
- Don't you have a nickname
in the prosecutorial community?
1073
01:03:32,337 --> 01:03:33,264
- Oh...
1074
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:33,930
- Your Honor, I object!
1075
01:03:33,955 --> 01:03:35,332
- Aren't you known as Dr. Death?
1076
01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:36,904
- Your Honor, this is argumentative.
1077
01:03:36,929 --> 01:03:40,749
- He has testified in fifty-three murder
cases and fifty-three convictions.
1078
01:03:40,774 --> 01:03:43,348
That's his nickname, Your Honor,
ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
1079
01:03:43,373 --> 01:03:44,486
this is Dr. Death.
1080
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:45,551
- Objection!
1081
01:03:50,971 --> 01:03:51,934
- Okay, Charlie, it's lunchtime.
1082
01:03:57,243 --> 01:03:57,943
- Thanks.
1083
01:04:01,296 --> 01:04:03,107
- What's it like to actually drink
somebody's blood, Charlie?
1084
01:04:05,493 --> 01:04:06,507
- I love watching people die.
1085
01:04:08,649 --> 01:04:09,990
Made 'em swiggle and squirm
all over the place,
1086
01:04:10,015 --> 01:04:11,022
and then, they just stop.
1087
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:15,788
Oh, I'd cut 'em with a knife
and watch their face turn real white.
1088
01:04:17,352 --> 01:04:18,343
I loved all that blood.
1089
01:04:18,369 --> 01:04:20,281
- They're gonna gash you
if you keep talking like that.
1090
01:04:23,989 --> 01:04:25,698
- I'd rather die
than spend the rest of my life in prison.
1091
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:31,993
I must've been real sick to do all that.
1092
01:04:45,859 --> 01:04:47,155
Boy, these sure are good.
1093
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:51,208
- What the hell are you doing?!
1094
01:05:03,736 --> 01:05:04,325
- Aaah!
1095
01:05:41,036 --> 01:05:42,814
- Get out of the way.
1096
01:07:21,405 --> 01:07:21,973
Where is the--
1097
01:07:21,998 --> 01:07:22,521
- What do you want?
1098
01:07:24,194 --> 01:07:25,310
- Where's the blood?!
1099
01:07:53,022 --> 01:07:53,898
Daddy!
1100
01:08:09,256 --> 01:08:10,123
- Hold it right there!
1101
01:08:26,627 --> 01:08:28,798
- Why the hell are they letting this guy
have something he could sharpen?
1102
01:08:28,823 --> 01:08:32,071
- Any mention of his attempt to escape
or any reference to dead or injured guards
1103
01:08:32,096 --> 01:08:33,170
or the priest.
1104
01:08:33,195 --> 01:08:34,272
- On what grounds?
1105
01:08:34,875 --> 01:08:36,596
- It's not probative on the question
of guilt or innocence.
1106
01:08:36,622 --> 01:08:38,155
- Oh, you're funny. Ah, you know--
1107
01:08:38,180 --> 01:08:41,426
- Who the hell knows why he tried
to escape? Al's right. It's not probative.
1108
01:08:42,393 --> 01:08:43,572
I'm gonna grant the motion.
1109
01:08:43,597 --> 01:08:44,308
- Thank you, Your Honor.
1110
01:08:47,771 --> 01:08:49,672
Dr. Keddie, is it your opinion that
one of the reasons
1111
01:08:49,697 --> 01:08:51,751
Charles Reece killed these people was
1112
01:08:51,776 --> 01:08:53,627
that he was afraid
they were poisoning him?
1113
01:08:54,676 --> 01:08:55,583
- That was the primary reason.
1114
01:08:56,110 --> 01:08:58,017
It was a frantic, misguided effort
of self defense.
1115
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:02,004
- Was he capable of understanding
the nature and the quality of his acts?
1116
01:09:02,731 --> 01:09:03,561
- Absolutely not.
1117
01:09:03,586 --> 01:09:06,308
The power of his delusions
overwhelmed his freedom of choice.
1118
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:07,485
- Thank you very much, Doctor.
1119
01:09:09,815 --> 01:09:13,190
- Doctor, isn't it just possible
that this man killed his victims
1120
01:09:13,215 --> 01:09:14,788
because he enjoyed inflicting cruelty?
1121
01:09:14,813 --> 01:09:15,681
- Definitely not.
1122
01:09:16,375 --> 01:09:18,391
His delusional need for blood
was the primary motivation
1123
01:09:18,416 --> 01:09:19,380
for what he did.
1124
01:09:20,414 --> 01:09:22,273
- But didn't he kill
in this grotesque manner
1125
01:09:22,298 --> 01:09:24,515
because his purpose was also sadistic?
1126
01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:26,649
- As a trained psychiatrist, I would say
1127
01:09:26,675 --> 01:09:29,792
that that is not in accord
with the evidence, as I perceive it.
1128
01:09:30,567 --> 01:09:32,483
- As a trained psychiatrist,
are you saying
1129
01:09:32,507 --> 01:09:35,405
that a man who commits -
on a woman he has just killed
1130
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:37,233
isn't driven by a sadistic impulse?
1131
01:09:37,891 --> 01:09:40,651
- I found no evidence that Mr. Reece
was motivated by sadistic feelings.
1132
01:09:41,557 --> 01:09:43,870
- Hmm. Doctor, didn't the nazis
have a delusion
1133
01:09:43,895 --> 01:09:46,104
about the Jews
causing the world's problems?
1134
01:09:47,346 --> 01:09:49,364
- When an entire culture or even
a large group of people
1135
01:09:49,389 --> 01:09:50,324
believe in something,
1136
01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:53,575
I doubt that we could psychiatrically
label it as a delusion.
1137
01:09:54,638 --> 01:09:56,475
It may be wrong,
it may be a mistaken prejudice,
1138
01:09:56,499 --> 01:09:57,690
but it is not delusional.
1139
01:09:58,836 --> 01:10:01,235
- Direct your attention
to the jury instructions for insanity
1140
01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:03,413
and tell me, doctor,
if you would find the nazis insane.
1141
01:10:03,438 --> 01:10:04,626
- Objection!
1142
01:10:04,651 --> 01:10:05,803
- I'll permit him to answer.
1143
01:10:07,208 --> 01:10:08,815
- All the instructions refer to the word
"legal,"
1144
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,918
for other nations, we're not talking
about the same thing at all.
1145
01:10:12,707 --> 01:10:14,143
- Would you find the nazis
who killed
1146
01:10:14,168 --> 01:10:18,128
because of their belief in Jewish evil
insane using the California standard?
1147
01:10:20,044 --> 01:10:22,906
- Those who operated on this belief,
and I think it fair to call this belief,
1148
01:10:22,931 --> 01:10:24,424
a disease,
1149
01:10:25,627 --> 01:10:26,962
I would generally find insane.
1150
01:10:27,544 --> 01:10:29,948
- Even though they were organized enough
to set up gas chambers?
1151
01:10:29,973 --> 01:10:31,286
Extermination camps?
1152
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:34,008
Ride railroads carrying Jewish victims?
1153
01:10:34,033 --> 01:10:36,537
In fact, organized a whole apparatus
of government
1154
01:10:36,562 --> 01:10:38,230
around the idea of killing Jews?
1155
01:10:39,821 --> 01:10:42,165
- I think most people agree that the nazis
were insane.
1156
01:10:42,190 --> 01:10:44,316
- And you find the defendant insane
for the same reasons?
1157
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:46,689
- Well, I don't follow you.
1158
01:10:47,527 --> 01:10:48,567
- He believed blood would cure him,
1159
01:10:48,592 --> 01:10:49,812
they believed Jews were evil.
1160
01:10:49,837 --> 01:10:51,293
They both killed for their beliefs,
didn't they?
1161
01:10:51,987 --> 01:10:53,090
- I don't see the parallels.
1162
01:10:54,879 --> 01:10:56,081
- The defendant, like the nazis,
1163
01:10:56,106 --> 01:10:58,413
was able to organize
his own transportation.
1164
01:10:58,438 --> 01:11:01,775
Like the nazis, he brought tools of death
with him,
1165
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,085
carried out his deeds and secret
like the nazis.
1166
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:06,829
Don't all these things point away
from him being insane?
1167
01:11:07,716 --> 01:11:10,502
- Mr. Fraser,
you find Mr. Reece better organized
1168
01:11:10,527 --> 01:11:11,192
than I do.
1169
01:11:13,673 --> 01:11:16,831
- Do you understand the effect
of your opinions, doctor?
1170
01:11:18,526 --> 01:11:22,165
Under your theory, both the defendant
and the nazis
1171
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:25,740
would be free from criminal responsibility
for their actions, wouldn't they?
1172
01:11:25,765 --> 01:11:26,596
- That's not what I said.
1173
01:11:26,621 --> 01:11:30,152
I'm here to give my opinions
on the questions you put up.
1174
01:11:30,177 --> 01:11:32,576
- You said the defendant
was unable to make choices.
1175
01:11:32,601 --> 01:11:37,248
- I believe I said that he was not capable
of full, mature reflection on his actions.
1176
01:11:37,273 --> 01:11:40,085
- You mean that, he couldn't control
himself?
1177
01:11:41,006 --> 01:11:42,280
That his actions were inevitable?
1178
01:11:43,019 --> 01:11:43,952
- His behavior
was conditioned
1179
01:11:43,977 --> 01:11:46,472
by forces beyond his control.
1180
01:11:46,496 --> 01:11:49,286
- Would you modify your opinion
about the defendant's capacity to choose
1181
01:11:49,311 --> 01:11:52,362
between moral alternatives
if you knew that he tried to escape--
1182
01:11:52,387 --> 01:11:53,262
- Objection, Your Honor!
1183
01:11:53,287 --> 01:11:54,865
Your Honor knows my reason very well!
1184
01:11:55,878 --> 01:11:57,274
- But I'm going to allow him
to answer.
1185
01:11:57,299 --> 01:11:58,646
This is expert opinion.
1186
01:11:59,228 --> 01:12:00,344
- I would not change my opinion.
1187
01:12:00,369 --> 01:12:02,845
Trying to escape was expectable
under the circumstances.
1188
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:05,460
It has no bearing under his overall
ability to choose.
1189
01:12:05,485 --> 01:12:09,413
- Why is it expectable for someone being
held for murder to try to escape?
1190
01:12:09,438 --> 01:12:10,265
- It's natural.
1191
01:12:10,290 --> 01:12:10,824
- Normal?
1192
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:11,511
- Objection!
1193
01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:12,333
- Let him finish.
1194
01:12:14,133 --> 01:12:16,220
- It was instinctive.
Choice had little to do with it.
1195
01:12:16,245 --> 01:12:19,318
- Isn't the mere fact of his attempt
to escape prove to you
1196
01:12:19,343 --> 01:12:20,976
that he knew what he had done was wrong?
1197
01:12:21,001 --> 01:12:21,757
- It is not.
1198
01:12:21,782 --> 01:12:24,950
Anyone in this room would've tried
to escape in a similar situation,
1199
01:12:24,975 --> 01:12:26,228
guilty or not.
1200
01:12:27,174 --> 01:12:31,101
Charles Reece is not capable of free will.
My God, I've said that again and again.
1201
01:12:31,126 --> 01:12:32,991
- Doctor, have you coached him
on his insanity defense?
1202
01:12:33,016 --> 01:12:33,631
- Objection!
1203
01:12:33,656 --> 01:12:34,279
- I wanna answer this--
1204
01:12:37,685 --> 01:12:38,369
- Let him answer.
1205
01:12:39,718 --> 01:12:40,779
- I demand to answer!
1206
01:12:40,804 --> 01:12:41,676
- And I'll let him answer,
1207
01:12:41,701 --> 01:12:44,316
but don't you interrupt him again,
Mr. Fraser, you understand me?
1208
01:12:44,341 --> 01:12:45,228
- Yes, Your Honor.
1209
01:12:45,253 --> 01:12:46,791
- Now I resent the charges you've made.
1210
01:12:47,898 --> 01:12:50,449
I understand the revulsion everyone feels
in the face of brutal murder.
1211
01:12:51,927 --> 01:12:52,880
But I see him, too.
1212
01:12:53,717 --> 01:12:55,640
He shouldn't be killed.
He should be treated and studied.
1213
01:12:57,487 --> 01:12:59,962
What makes up a respectable young man
turn into a killer?
1214
01:13:00,581 --> 01:13:03,141
I wanna save him
because he has that secret.
1215
01:13:04,116 --> 01:13:05,887
Perhaps the next time someone like him
could be treated.
1216
01:13:05,912 --> 01:13:07,376
Perhaps we can vaccinate against murder.
1217
01:13:07,401 --> 01:13:10,843
We need to understand this man
for the betterment of society.
1218
01:13:14,278 --> 01:13:16,016
- Even at the price of five lives?
1219
01:13:21,388 --> 01:13:22,986
- That may be the most terrible part
of all.
1220
01:13:25,531 --> 01:13:26,493
The price of knowledge.
1221
01:13:31,281 --> 01:13:35,471
- There is no doubt that Charles Reece
has to pay for what he has done.
1222
01:13:37,461 --> 01:13:38,670
The payment is hard.
1223
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:42,835
Some people think it's just
about the hardest payment
1224
01:13:42,860 --> 01:13:44,436
that we can conceive of.
1225
01:13:45,617 --> 01:13:49,107
He will be locked up,
without the possibility of ever,
1226
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,481
remember that, of ever getting out
for the rest of his life.
1227
01:13:56,089 --> 01:13:57,943
Once a verdict of death
has been carried out,
1228
01:13:57,968 --> 01:13:58,670
that's final.
1229
01:13:59,719 --> 01:14:01,754
Nothing can change what you've done.
1230
01:14:02,509 --> 01:14:05,123
So you must feel completely secure
in this decision.
1231
01:14:05,148 --> 01:14:09,832
You must feel that this is the only
right verdict in this case.
1232
01:14:13,045 --> 01:14:15,985
If you wake up the day after the verdict
and you say to yourself,
1233
01:14:17,247 --> 01:14:19,648
Oh, my God, I've made a mistake.
1234
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:22,865
It's too late.
1235
01:14:25,742 --> 01:14:26,902
One night, ten years from now,
1236
01:14:26,927 --> 01:14:28,374
you might wake up
in the middle of the night and,
1237
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:31,242
and you suddenly realize
I've made this mistake,
1238
01:14:31,267 --> 01:14:33,016
I sent Charlie to his death.
1239
01:14:34,616 --> 01:14:37,038
And there's nothing that you
or anybody else in this whole world
1240
01:14:37,063 --> 01:14:38,796
can do about that. Not then.
1241
01:14:39,998 --> 01:14:43,838
You see, that's the kind of decision
that you must make.
1242
01:14:47,271 --> 01:14:52,286
- The defendant wiped out five people,
our fellow human beings,
1243
01:14:53,783 --> 01:14:57,723
cruelly and brutally,
in the most cold-hearted
1244
01:14:57,748 --> 01:15:01,252
and pre-meditated manner,
he's wiped them off the face of the earth.
1245
01:15:06,597 --> 01:15:07,181
And what has happened?
1246
01:15:10,108 --> 01:15:12,265
Well, we've talked to you in great length.
1247
01:15:13,764 --> 01:15:15,495
Not about the victims
but about the defendant!
1248
01:15:18,389 --> 01:15:19,248
About his life.
1249
01:15:20,788 --> 01:15:25,034
About his feelings, his problems,
his needs, his desires,
1250
01:15:26,485 --> 01:15:30,128
and in the final, brutal act, he is trying
to steal the compassion
1251
01:15:30,153 --> 01:15:32,127
that belongs to those victims!
1252
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:42,035
Those victims deserve their time
in this courtroom.
1253
01:15:47,773 --> 01:15:48,917
Now, we've heard medical evidence
1254
01:15:50,797 --> 01:15:54,064
saying that it took the defendant
three minutes to butcher Barbara Ellis
1255
01:15:54,089 --> 01:15:55,065
after he shot her.
1256
01:15:56,245 --> 01:16:01,677
And she was just one of five victims.
1257
01:16:05,546 --> 01:16:09,276
We are now going to stop for three minutes
1258
01:16:12,578 --> 01:16:15,763
and I want you to think about what this man
did to her,
1259
01:16:17,176 --> 01:16:19,912
and I want you to also think
about the other four victims,
1260
01:16:22,754 --> 01:16:26,205
and about their last,
precious minutes of life
1261
01:16:26,230 --> 01:16:31,128
as this man horribly,
brutally murdered them.
1262
01:16:35,663 --> 01:16:40,355
This is how long it took
for just one of them to die.
1263
01:18:36,084 --> 01:18:44,061
The life of an innocent human being
is worth more than the life of a murderer.
1264
01:18:49,793 --> 01:18:53,127
Charles Reece must die.
1265
01:18:55,018 --> 01:18:57,261
- If you believe the defendant knew
what he was doing,
1266
01:18:57,286 --> 01:18:59,349
then you must find him legally sane.
1267
01:19:01,147 --> 01:19:03,117
If you believe he did not,
then you must him him insane.
1268
01:19:04,223 --> 01:19:07,495
In order to find him guilty, you must find
that he intended to commit the crimes.
1269
01:19:08,525 --> 01:19:11,437
His intention is as much a part
of the offense as the act itself.
1270
01:19:12,972 --> 01:19:15,214
And if you find Mr. Reece
guilty of multiple murder,
1271
01:19:16,798 --> 01:19:19,353
be aware that he could be sentenced to die
in the gas chamber.
1272
01:19:20,632 --> 01:19:22,850
The decision that you make
must be on the evidence
1273
01:19:22,875 --> 01:19:23,980
and not on sympathy.
1274
01:19:24,005 --> 01:19:26,005
This case now remains with you.
1275
01:19:33,582 --> 01:19:34,497
- What the hell are we gonna do?
1276
01:19:35,946 --> 01:19:38,491
- I can't understand how a decent boy
could change so much.
1277
01:19:39,877 --> 01:19:40,777
- He has to be crazy, that's all.
1278
01:19:44,410 --> 01:19:45,990
- What would you do if he'd killed
your son or daughter?
1279
01:19:46,932 --> 01:19:48,033
That's how we have to look at it.
1280
01:19:48,679 --> 01:19:50,369
We have to put ourselves in the place
of the victims.
1281
01:19:51,205 --> 01:19:54,154
- We've got to try to understand
the difference between real insanity
1282
01:19:55,273 --> 01:19:56,282
and legal insanity.
1283
01:19:56,913 --> 01:19:57,541
- How the hell do we do that?
1284
01:19:57,566 --> 01:19:59,060
- We've gotta try.
1285
01:19:59,565 --> 01:20:01,639
- Everybody admits he did the killings
so let's just deal with the facts.
1286
01:20:01,664 --> 01:20:02,953
- We can't just deal with the facts.
1287
01:20:05,197 --> 01:20:07,803
- If we send him to a mental institution,
he, he could be released.
1288
01:20:08,848 --> 01:20:10,839
Those psychiatrists and lawyers
won't have to live next door to him,
1289
01:20:10,864 --> 01:20:12,632
we will. Our neighbors will.
1290
01:20:12,657 --> 01:20:15,908
- Killing this poor, sick young man
just doesn't make sense, I don't think.
1291
01:20:16,682 --> 01:20:18,995
It's not gonna bring back the victims,
and it's no better than what he did.
1292
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:20,020
It's insane.
1293
01:20:20,045 --> 01:20:22,314
- Well, sure, anybody who did what he did
is insane.
1294
01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:23,980
Dan White was insane.
1295
01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:26,686
Maybe the whole world is insane.
1296
01:20:26,711 --> 01:20:29,264
But that doesn't mean that
we should excuse what he did.
1297
01:20:29,289 --> 01:20:30,902
There has to be rules.
1298
01:20:31,862 --> 01:20:33,965
- But you don't take a prisoner's life
just because they're insane.
1299
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:36,463
- You kill them if they're insane
and they wanna kill you.
1300
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:47,241
- All rise.
1301
01:20:54,546 --> 01:20:55,173
- Be seated.
1302
01:20:58,444 --> 01:20:59,761
Have you reached a verdict Mr. Bayles?
1303
01:20:59,786 --> 01:21:00,829
- Yes, Your Honor, we have.
1304
01:21:00,854 --> 01:21:02,175
- Please hand it to the bailiff.
1305
01:21:06,205 --> 01:21:06,749
Thank you.
1306
01:21:18,802 --> 01:21:20,012
Madame Clerk, please read the verdicts.
1307
01:21:22,524 --> 01:21:24,347
- Superior Court of California,
County of Stockton,
1308
01:21:24,372 --> 01:21:27,152
The People of State of California,
Plaintiff,
1309
01:21:27,177 --> 01:21:29,729
versus Charles Edmund Reece,
Defendant.
1310
01:21:30,509 --> 01:21:34,442
We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause,
find the defendant, Charles Edmund Reece,
1311
01:21:34,467 --> 01:21:40,374
guilty of a violation of Section 187
of the Penal Code
1312
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,986
of the State of California, to which,
murder of felony relating to Barbara Ellis
1313
01:21:45,011 --> 01:21:48,933
as charges set forth in count one
of the information on file herein,
1314
01:21:48,958 --> 01:21:51,694
dated March 24, 1987.
1315
01:21:51,719 --> 01:21:54,032
Guilty of a violation of Section 187,
1316
01:21:55,323 --> 01:21:57,866
murder of felony
relating to Robert Hendrickson,
1317
01:21:59,326 --> 01:22:02,073
- It isn't over yet. It's only
the first part of the trial.
1318
01:22:02,098 --> 01:22:03,350
We still got a shot to save your life.
1319
01:22:03,375 --> 01:22:06,329
We can still show the jury
that you aren't responsible.
1320
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,052
Your Honor, I'm gonna request
that PET scan be performed to my client
1321
01:22:10,077 --> 01:22:12,423
as reliable way of showing the jury
that he's mentally ill
1322
01:22:12,449 --> 01:22:13,383
during the penalty phase.
1323
01:22:14,351 --> 01:22:17,475
- PET scan only proports to show images
of the brain's chemistry
1324
01:22:17,499 --> 01:22:19,049
at a given moment in time.
1325
01:22:19,074 --> 01:22:22,152
In this case, it's after the crime
was committed.
1326
01:22:22,177 --> 01:22:24,440
It doesn't address
the question of responsibility.
1327
01:22:25,419 --> 01:22:28,223
- But I understand that it can show
whether or not there is mental illness.
1328
01:22:28,248 --> 01:22:30,040
- Your Honor, this is a new form
of brain imaging
1329
01:22:30,065 --> 01:22:33,483
which is used in the diagnosis
of epilepsy, depression,
1330
01:22:33,507 --> 01:22:35,552
Alzheimer's disease, as well as
mental deficiency.
1331
01:22:35,577 --> 01:22:40,122
Depriving Mr. Reece to put this in front
of the jury denies him a fair trial.
1332
01:22:40,147 --> 01:22:41,920
- Your Honor, the studies don't all agree.
1333
01:22:41,945 --> 01:22:44,526
It's only another gadget to hide
Reece's responsibility.
1334
01:22:45,865 --> 01:22:47,200
- Well, let's air on the side of caution.
1335
01:22:48,525 --> 01:22:49,409
I'm going to order the test.
1336
01:22:49,434 --> 01:22:50,268
- Thank you, Your Honor.
1337
01:22:51,407 --> 01:22:52,587
- We'll let the jury evaluate it.
1338
01:22:54,684 --> 01:22:55,823
Nobody knows what it'll show.
1339
01:23:02,336 --> 01:23:03,158
- You're taking my blood.
1340
01:23:03,183 --> 01:23:05,216
- Just a few samples.
It's nothing to worry about.
1341
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:06,904
- What for?
1342
01:23:06,929 --> 01:23:09,701
- To measure the blood sugar that's
gettin' to your brain. That's all.
1343
01:23:12,032 --> 01:23:12,985
- You're poisoning me.
1344
01:23:36,596 --> 01:23:38,731
- Is my daddy
going to bring me a Christmas present?
1345
01:23:38,756 --> 01:23:40,040
- No, Charles.
1346
01:23:40,065 --> 01:23:40,996
- Why not?
1347
01:23:41,021 --> 01:23:43,171
- Because I don't want him
to see you.
1348
01:23:47,097 --> 01:23:47,982
- Daddy!
1349
01:24:06,717 --> 01:24:08,369
- These are abnormal patterns,
without a doubt.
1350
01:24:08,394 --> 01:24:09,640
- What does that tell you?
1351
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:13,488
- Well, this yellow-green area here
is consistent with schizophrenia.
1352
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:18,554
What you're seeing is a computer-enhanced
image of the chemistry of the brain.
1353
01:24:20,245 --> 01:24:23,339
And what it shows...
is a picture of madness.
1354
01:24:36,874 --> 01:24:37,758
- How are you feeling?
1355
01:24:37,783 --> 01:24:38,494
- Grand.
1356
01:24:54,366 --> 01:24:54,879
- Charles.
1357
01:24:56,485 --> 01:24:57,401
- Charles, I've got some great news.
1358
01:25:03,633 --> 01:25:05,937
- Your Honor,
based on the new scientific evidence,
1359
01:25:06,866 --> 01:25:10,613
we, the jury, find that the defendant
should go to a state mental hospital.
1360
01:25:42,981 --> 01:25:43,814
- Careful now, that's hot stuff.
1361
01:25:45,881 --> 01:25:47,082
- Oh, no!
1362
01:25:47,107 --> 01:25:47,909
- In the middle, okay?
1363
01:25:48,682 --> 01:25:50,007
Strike it. Atta boy!
Oh, get in there!
1364
01:25:51,295 --> 01:25:52,327
- I could do it, Daddy.
1365
01:25:52,352 --> 01:25:54,672
- Almost, alright, Andy,
get 'em going now. Come on.
1366
01:25:54,697 --> 01:25:55,479
- You get another one.
1367
01:25:55,503 --> 01:25:57,277
- We gotta win one this time.
1368
01:25:57,302 --> 01:25:58,097
Alright.
1369
01:25:58,122 --> 01:25:58,918
- You can do it!
1370
01:25:58,943 --> 01:25:59,689
- Come on.
1371
01:25:59,714 --> 01:26:00,743
- One more.
1372
01:26:00,768 --> 01:26:02,272
- Just one more, one more,
one more.
1373
01:26:02,297 --> 01:26:03,219
All right!
1374
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:04,642
- Yeah!
1375
01:26:04,668 --> 01:26:06,613
- Look at that. Whoo!
1376
01:26:08,072 --> 01:26:08,824
- Come on, Daddy.
1377
01:26:08,849 --> 01:26:10,004
- Alright, sure is, Andy.
1378
01:26:11,297 --> 01:26:12,313
There's a north star over there,
1379
01:26:12,338 --> 01:26:13,701
and that's Mars.
1380
01:26:13,726 --> 01:26:15,894
Right over there is the Little Dipper.
1381
01:26:15,919 --> 01:26:17,560
Did you find the Big Dipper?
1382
01:26:17,585 --> 01:26:20,189
- Uhm, over there.
1383
01:26:20,214 --> 01:26:20,983
- That's it.
1384
01:26:22,839 --> 01:26:24,428
- Can you tell me a story?
1385
01:26:24,453 --> 01:26:25,351
- Sure, Andy.
1386
01:26:27,009 --> 01:26:27,876
Let's see.
1387
01:26:27,901 --> 01:26:32,435
Once upon a time, there was a castle
by the sea,
1388
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:34,693
- Big castle?
1389
01:26:34,718 --> 01:26:35,875
- No, just a little castle.
1390
01:26:38,607 --> 01:26:39,808
It had flowers, trees...
1391
01:26:41,386 --> 01:26:42,294
- And a doggy?
1392
01:26:43,458 --> 01:26:45,168
- And a doggy. Yeah.
1393
01:26:50,162 --> 01:26:50,969
Dear Mr. Tippetts,
1394
01:26:52,650 --> 01:26:55,303
It's important that you understand
why I had to do what I did.
1395
01:26:57,095 --> 01:26:59,264
I had no hate for your wife
and your little boy,
1396
01:27:00,165 --> 01:27:01,375
even though your wife wa mean to me.
1397
01:27:03,951 --> 01:27:05,693
I needed their blood to help me
do my work.
1398
01:27:08,245 --> 01:27:11,873
They've now been sent to a better place
away from this violent world.
1399
01:27:13,467 --> 01:27:14,833
I know there's a place where
all little boys
1400
01:27:14,858 --> 01:27:16,655
can go have Christmas with their fathers,
1401
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:18,610
so none of this can happen again.
1402
01:27:20,949 --> 01:27:23,593
I want you to know that I told them this
and they understood.
1403
01:27:25,462 --> 01:27:28,874
If you get this letter,
maybe you can visit me here
1404
01:27:28,899 --> 01:27:30,915
so that we could talk about this further.
1405
01:27:32,931 --> 01:27:36,148
I know that you're a very kind person
and would wanna help me.
1406
01:27:38,227 --> 01:27:39,390
I need your help very much.
1407
01:27:41,197 --> 01:27:43,981
Yours truly, Charles Reece
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