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Blige] The first time I heard 19 00:01:02.100 --> 00:01:04.096 Michael Jackson's Thriller, he was pop, 20 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.620 he was R and B, he was gospel, he was rock. 21 00:01:07.820 --> 00:01:09.146 It was everything that I loved. 22 00:01:09.170 --> 00:01:10.986 [Usher] And bring all of these elements together... 23 00:01:11.010 --> 00:01:12.090 dance and choreography 24 00:01:12.260 --> 00:01:14.086 and theatrical moments and the feeling, 25 00:01:14.110 --> 00:01:16.770 you know, like a musical, damn near. 26 00:01:16.970 --> 00:01:20.630 The magic of it... each track was better than the next. 27 00:01:20.830 --> 00:01:22.936 It was in your brain, and everybody knew it. 28 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:24.896 [reporter] For the 14th consecutive week, 29 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:26.246 the best-selling album in the country 30 00:01:26.270 --> 00:01:28.530 is Michael Jackson's Thriller. 31 00:01:28.730 --> 00:01:30.146 If Thriller came out today, 32 00:01:30.170 --> 00:01:32.680 it would still be the greatest album ever made. 33 00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:36.210 It's the ultimate blueprint to modern pop music. 34 00:01:36.410 --> 00:01:38.906 [Raphael Saadiq] I love the way that record is sequenced, right? 35 00:01:38.930 --> 00:01:41.136 "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'." The title says it. 36 00:01:41.160 --> 00:01:43.666 He wanted to be starting some shit right now. He wanted... 37 00:01:43.690 --> 00:01:45.186 He's like, "I'm about to start some shit 38 00:01:45.210 --> 00:01:47.056 in the industry right now. I'm about to blow everybody up." 39 00:01:47.080 --> 00:01:48.956 [Maxwell] This was literally the pinnacle of everything 40 00:01:48.980 --> 00:01:49.980 that began with him. 41 00:01:50.170 --> 00:01:52.430 "Thriller," "Beat It" 42 00:01:52.630 --> 00:01:53.850 and "Billie Jean." 43 00:01:54.050 --> 00:01:56.046 To this day, when "Thriller" comes on, I mean, 44 00:01:56.070 --> 00:01:58.070 there's not a Halloween that doesn't happen 45 00:01:58.240 --> 00:01:59.670 where you don't hear that song. 46 00:01:59.870 --> 00:02:02.750 But then you have "Human Nature," "P.Y.T.," 47 00:02:02.950 --> 00:02:04.750 and then you have "Lady in My Life." 48 00:02:04.890 --> 00:02:07.760 [announcer] It became the biggest-selling album ever. 49 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:11.430 Michael Jackson. Always keep one in the cab. 50 00:02:11.630 --> 00:02:13.270 [Misty Copeland] This is history. 51 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:15.026 I want to say it's Black culture, 52 00:02:15.050 --> 00:02:16.660 but it's-it's for everyone. 53 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:18.466 [Nelson George] Thriller is the biggest-selling 54 00:02:18.490 --> 00:02:19.230 album of all time. 55 00:02:19.430 --> 00:02:21.110 Thriller is a cultural phenomenon 56 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:24.340 that's lasted four decades and seems determined 57 00:02:24.540 --> 00:02:26.480 to continue going forward. 58 00:02:27.480 --> 00:02:30.240 [crowd cheering] 59 00:02:30.950 --> 00:02:32.706 [Robert Hilburn] What takes your breath away is 60 00:02:32.730 --> 00:02:36.100 he had the ambition to become the biggest star in the world. 61 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:38.710 And he did it. The fact that he had 62 00:02:38.910 --> 00:02:40.960 that dream, I mean, that-that goal, 63 00:02:41.160 --> 00:02:44.580 that's what's the remarkable story. 64 00:02:46.880 --> 00:02:48.740 ♪ Soft, curious music ♪ 65 00:02:48.940 --> 00:02:50.536 [Michael Jackson] Ever since we were kids, 66 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.410 we've always wanted to dance or keep the time to the music. 67 00:02:54.610 --> 00:02:55.850 And that's part of us. 68 00:02:56.050 --> 00:02:58.130 It's like, uh, something we have to have. 69 00:02:58.300 --> 00:03:00.310 And it's in us, because I don't know 70 00:03:00.510 --> 00:03:03.150 what I would do if there was, uh... wasn't music. 71 00:03:03.350 --> 00:03:04.830 [reporter] Joe Jackson's role 72 00:03:04.980 --> 00:03:07.990 in his children's careers would give people a lot to talk about. 73 00:03:08.190 --> 00:03:10.910 The former steelworker had somehow gotten his family 74 00:03:11.110 --> 00:03:13.070 out of Indiana, groomed for stardom. 75 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.290 ♪ "I Want You Back" by The Jackson 5 ♪ 76 00:03:16.490 --> 00:03:17.830 ♪♪♪ 77 00:03:18.030 --> 00:03:20.830 [The Jackson 5's "I Want You Back" continues] 78 00:03:21.030 --> 00:03:23.660 ♪♪♪ 79 00:03:24.170 --> 00:03:25.996 [Ed Sullivan] Now, here are five brothers 80 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:28.780 from Gary, Indiana, ranging in age from ten to 18: 81 00:03:28.980 --> 00:03:30.070 The Jackson 5. 82 00:03:30.270 --> 00:03:33.700 ♪ Oh, baby, give me one more chance ♪ 83 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:35.206 ♪ To show you that I love you ♪ 84 00:03:35.230 --> 00:03:38.810 ♪ Won't you please let me ♪ 85 00:03:39.010 --> 00:03:40.230 ♪ Back in your heart ♪ 86 00:03:40.430 --> 00:03:43.920 ♪ Oh, darlin', I was blind to let you go ♪ 87 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:45.120 ♪ Let you go, baby ♪ 88 00:03:45.270 --> 00:03:46.840 ♪ But now since I see you... ♪ 89 00:03:47.040 --> 00:03:48.886 [Dick Clark] This poor man's life has been 90 00:03:48.910 --> 00:03:50.010 dissected completely. 91 00:03:50.210 --> 00:03:52.610 Is there anything anybody hasn't asked you by now? 92 00:03:52.750 --> 00:03:53.750 Um... 93 00:03:53.820 --> 00:03:54.950 ♪ Enjoy yourself ♪ 94 00:03:55.150 --> 00:03:57.830 ♪ Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself with me ♪ 95 00:03:58.030 --> 00:04:00.910 ♪ Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself ♪ 96 00:04:01.110 --> 00:04:03.520 ♪ Enjoy yourself with me ♪ 97 00:04:03.720 --> 00:04:05.250 ♪ You better enjoy yourself... ♪ 98 00:04:05.450 --> 00:04:08.156 [interviewer] Now, tell me, what do you think is the success 99 00:04:08.180 --> 00:04:09.976 of the Jacksons, yourself and the Jacksons? 100 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.610 I would say probably, um, togetherness. 101 00:04:13.810 --> 00:04:16.436 [Saadiq] I can't think about Michael without thinking about 102 00:04:16.460 --> 00:04:19.270 The Jackson 5 and Motown and all of that, 103 00:04:19.470 --> 00:04:21.620 so it takes me a little further back. 104 00:04:21.820 --> 00:04:22.986 Takes me to Off the Wall, 105 00:04:23.010 --> 00:04:24.656 which is one of my favorite records. 106 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:26.596 [Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" playing] 107 00:04:26.620 --> 00:04:28.766 [radio DJ] Welcome to WBLS once again, Michael Jackson. 108 00:04:28.790 --> 00:04:30.056 [Michael] Thank you very much. 109 00:04:30.080 --> 00:04:31.536 [radio DJ] The name of the album is... 110 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.166 - [Michael] Off the Wall. - [radio DJ] Are you? 111 00:04:33.190 --> 00:04:34.340 [both laughing] 112 00:04:34.540 --> 00:04:37.086 [radio DJ] We'll be back with Michael right after this. 113 00:04:37.110 --> 00:04:40.040 ♪ Lovely ♪ 114 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.600 ♪ Is the feeling now ♪ 115 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.210 ♪ Fever... ♪ 116 00:04:47.410 --> 00:04:50.230 I was not the biggest Jackson 5 fan. 117 00:04:50.430 --> 00:04:52.050 I was a serious pop music critic. 118 00:04:52.250 --> 00:04:54.516 And I said, "Well, it's cute what they're doing." 119 00:04:54.540 --> 00:04:56.970 - ♪ Baby, baby ♪ - ♪ Ow, ow... ♪ 120 00:04:57.170 --> 00:04:58.546 [Hilburn] You know, James Brown, 121 00:04:58.570 --> 00:05:00.290 Jackie Wilson, that's really nice. 122 00:05:00.490 --> 00:05:02.426 You know, it wasn't what I was interested in. 123 00:05:02.450 --> 00:05:04.460 And then Off the Wall comes out, 124 00:05:04.660 --> 00:05:06.500 and I was caught up in the excitement 125 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.000 of learning more about Michael and his world, 126 00:05:09.200 --> 00:05:10.576 so I interview him separately. 127 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.480 You interview the brothers all together, him separately. 128 00:05:13.650 --> 00:05:14.970 You know, he's nervous. 129 00:05:15.170 --> 00:05:16.870 He doesn't like to do interviews. 130 00:05:17.070 --> 00:05:18.890 He's sad, he's lonely, he says. 131 00:05:19.090 --> 00:05:21.790 He starts talking about his life. 132 00:05:21.990 --> 00:05:24.440 ♪ Soft, melancholy music ♪ 133 00:05:24.640 --> 00:05:29.190 He was so hurt around 14 and 15 and 16, 134 00:05:29.390 --> 00:05:30.980 when his face changed. 135 00:05:31.180 --> 00:05:33.550 He got bigger. 136 00:05:33.750 --> 00:05:35.910 I mean, his face had broken out. 137 00:05:36.100 --> 00:05:37.220 He was so sad. 138 00:05:37.420 --> 00:05:39.180 People didn't care about him anymore. 139 00:05:39.300 --> 00:05:41.856 You know, adults would come into a party at some house, 140 00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:45.060 and they would be looking all around. "Where's Michael?" 141 00:05:45.260 --> 00:05:48.330 And they'd be walking right past him, you know? 142 00:05:48.530 --> 00:05:51.266 And he got the feeling that, "We don't care about you. 143 00:05:51.290 --> 00:05:53.730 We want that little kid." 144 00:05:56.820 --> 00:05:58.566 [George] He was dead set on his focus 145 00:05:58.590 --> 00:06:01.890 to be, you know, Michael Jackson, solo artist. 146 00:06:02.090 --> 00:06:03.850 [Brooke Shields] And he had to. 147 00:06:04.050 --> 00:06:06.520 He knew that it was time. He knew that... 148 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:11.270 He was excited to have it all be on his own terms. 149 00:06:11.470 --> 00:06:14.510 You know, not with... not attached to anybody. 150 00:06:14.710 --> 00:06:16.900 And he knew that-that... 151 00:06:17.100 --> 00:06:19.200 that he was even gonna soar from that. 152 00:06:19.400 --> 00:06:23.200 Well, Off the Wall was an enormous success. 153 00:06:23.400 --> 00:06:26.760 It-it put Michael on the map as a solo artist. 154 00:06:27.510 --> 00:06:30.170 People forget that, before Off the Wall, 155 00:06:30.370 --> 00:06:34.590 there was a period between Motown and the Destiny album 156 00:06:34.790 --> 00:06:36.056 where people thought maybe 157 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:37.876 the career of The Jackson 5 was over, 158 00:06:37.900 --> 00:06:41.570 that they were yesterday's news, forgotten boy band, really. 159 00:06:41.780 --> 00:06:45.080 So Off the Wall reestablished Michael as someone to watch. 160 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:48.440 Off the Wall was just this incredible record, 161 00:06:48.640 --> 00:06:51.270 and we knew that Mike was coming back 162 00:06:51.470 --> 00:06:52.910 with something special because 163 00:06:52.990 --> 00:06:56.650 he didn't win everything that he wanted during the Grammys, 164 00:06:56.850 --> 00:06:59.050 and he only won one award, 165 00:06:59.250 --> 00:07:01.660 which was the R and B award at that. 166 00:07:01.860 --> 00:07:03.370 He thought he was gonna sweep. 167 00:07:03.570 --> 00:07:06.350 He thought for sure, "I got a pop smash here." 168 00:07:06.550 --> 00:07:10.190 So, when that didn't happen, he left there with a vengeance, 169 00:07:10.390 --> 00:07:13.480 just determined to do better next time. 170 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.240 [John Branca] He was determined 171 00:07:15.430 --> 00:07:17.190 to change the way he was perceived. 172 00:07:17.390 --> 00:07:21.490 Uh, there were a lot of writings he did to himself, affirmations. 173 00:07:26.070 --> 00:07:27.486 [Michael] I look in the mirror, 174 00:07:27.510 --> 00:07:29.276 and I would say over and over to myself... 175 00:07:29.300 --> 00:07:31.540 I'd take a deep breath, put my feet together, 176 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:34.880 raise myself erect, strong like a... 177 00:07:35.080 --> 00:07:37.130 a hero warrior, and I'd say, 178 00:07:37.330 --> 00:07:39.536 "Biggest-selling album of all time, greatest seller," 179 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:41.890 over and over to my mind, and look in my eyes. 180 00:07:42.090 --> 00:07:43.120 And I'd mean it. 181 00:07:43.320 --> 00:07:45.416 I'd say, "Biggest-selling album of all times." 182 00:07:45.440 --> 00:07:46.910 And I wouldn't accept anything 183 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:49.560 unless this was exactly what I wanted. 184 00:07:49.760 --> 00:07:50.580 My attitude was: 185 00:07:50.780 --> 00:07:52.826 I want the biggest-selling album of all times, 186 00:07:52.850 --> 00:07:56.070 to break records, to do phenomenal work. 187 00:07:56.270 --> 00:07:57.820 I came in angry. 188 00:07:58.020 --> 00:07:59.460 [Ivory] Michael was writing. 189 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:01.700 He was writing. He was fuming. 190 00:08:01.900 --> 00:08:03.890 He was still upset about 191 00:08:04.090 --> 00:08:06.580 this idea that he would be denied, 192 00:08:06.780 --> 00:08:09.270 you know, major awards for Off the Wall. 193 00:08:09.470 --> 00:08:11.350 I just remember all of the, uh... 194 00:08:11.550 --> 00:08:13.390 the process of when they were doing it. 195 00:08:13.470 --> 00:08:15.190 And the, uh... the excitement 196 00:08:15.390 --> 00:08:17.136 while they're recording, just, you know... 197 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.936 just hearing tales, you know, as they're coming 198 00:08:18.960 --> 00:08:20.396 in and out of the studio with it. 199 00:08:20.420 --> 00:08:22.760 ["Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" playing, muffled] 200 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:25.160 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 201 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.276 [fading in] ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 202 00:08:27.300 --> 00:08:29.340 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 203 00:08:29.400 --> 00:08:31.026 ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 204 00:08:31.050 --> 00:08:33.136 - ♪ It's too high to get over ♪ - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 205 00:08:33.160 --> 00:08:34.560 ♪ You're too low to get under ♪ 206 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:36.516 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪ 207 00:08:36.540 --> 00:08:38.406 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪ 208 00:08:38.430 --> 00:08:39.650 ♪ Yeah, yeah... ♪ 209 00:08:39.850 --> 00:08:41.646 [Matt Forger] Westlake was a really great studio 210 00:08:41.670 --> 00:08:45.340 because y-you felt the facility had this warmth 211 00:08:45.540 --> 00:08:49.410 and this friendliness and this casual put-you-at-ease feeling. 212 00:08:49.610 --> 00:08:52.100 There was just the most incredible vibe. 213 00:08:52.300 --> 00:08:56.020 Where you could just be creatively free to-to take... 214 00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:58.790 take the music wherever you wanted. 215 00:09:01.340 --> 00:09:03.476 This is hallowed ground. I was... I was in here a lot 216 00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:05.336 'cause Quincy made a lot of records in here. 217 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.720 Off the Wall was made in here. 218 00:09:07.920 --> 00:09:09.260 Certainly Thriller. 219 00:09:09.460 --> 00:09:10.896 Quincy worked in here a lot. 220 00:09:10.920 --> 00:09:12.106 Quincy influenced everything 221 00:09:12.130 --> 00:09:13.546 - we've ever done in our lives. - Yes. 222 00:09:13.570 --> 00:09:15.450 - Whether you can hear it or not. - Exactly. 223 00:09:15.640 --> 00:09:18.060 Depth of understanding of music. 224 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:19.620 That's what makes Quincy Quincy. 225 00:09:19.790 --> 00:09:22.300 He's done big band. He's done small bands. 226 00:09:22.500 --> 00:09:24.760 He's done pop. He's done rock. 227 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.160 He's done everything. 228 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.526 So, just understanding all those different genres 229 00:09:28.550 --> 00:09:31.160 and-and how to fuse them all together 230 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:32.756 is what gives you all these 231 00:09:32.780 --> 00:09:35.870 wonderful applications that you get on a Michael Jackson record. 232 00:09:36.070 --> 00:09:37.190 And that sound was ma... 233 00:09:37.280 --> 00:09:39.460 You know, Bruce Swedien had a lot to do with 234 00:09:39.660 --> 00:09:41.580 how that overall sound was... the echo 235 00:09:41.620 --> 00:09:44.950 and the reverbs and the... the way he would place things. 236 00:09:45.150 --> 00:09:46.530 And they were excited. 237 00:09:46.730 --> 00:09:48.210 As we were making the record, 238 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:49.646 you could feel the excitement in the room. 239 00:09:49.670 --> 00:09:51.390 Knowing that we were doing something 240 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:53.220 that was gonna be special. 241 00:09:53.420 --> 00:09:55.640 [playing elegant melody] 242 00:10:00.730 --> 00:10:02.536 [Greg Phillinganes] Wow, I don't even know 243 00:10:02.560 --> 00:10:03.610 where to begin. 244 00:10:03.810 --> 00:10:06.260 I just remember coming here to this studio, 245 00:10:06.460 --> 00:10:08.990 which was like a second home, 246 00:10:09.190 --> 00:10:11.600 and coming in, listening to, uh, 247 00:10:11.800 --> 00:10:15.060 the demos that Rod Temperton would provide. 248 00:10:15.260 --> 00:10:18.270 And we would just start to carve musically 249 00:10:18.470 --> 00:10:22.940 and-and work our way into the details of the demos. 250 00:10:23.140 --> 00:10:25.130 [Steve Lukather] Rod Temperton. 251 00:10:25.330 --> 00:10:26.840 This guy was brilliant. 252 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:28.550 I mean, he was deep. 253 00:10:28.750 --> 00:10:30.936 I love Rod Temperton. He wrote incredible songs, 254 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:35.550 and he was a part of Quincy's, you know, tight team. 255 00:10:36.810 --> 00:10:39.210 [Anthony Marinelli] We did a lot of funky sounds 256 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:40.630 on "Baby Be Mine." 257 00:10:40.830 --> 00:10:43.400 [Michael Jackson's "Baby Be Mine" playing] 258 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.020 ♪♪♪ 259 00:10:53.410 --> 00:10:54.836 Quincy was just looking for... 260 00:10:54.860 --> 00:10:56.546 He's always looking for something different. 261 00:10:56.570 --> 00:10:58.410 So we were brought in because it was... 262 00:10:58.590 --> 00:11:00.540 I think Quincy knew about MTV, 263 00:11:00.740 --> 00:11:02.620 and he was looking for a cinematic thing 264 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:04.590 'cause Quincy came from film. 265 00:11:04.790 --> 00:11:07.071 When Michael would want... he-he knew things 266 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:08.556 that he would want for sounds. 267 00:11:08.580 --> 00:11:11.280 And, uh, he would put it on a record player and play it. 268 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.776 And then I'd say, "Well, let me go get that other synth." 269 00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:15.280 So it would be in the truck, 270 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:17.296 parked in the parking lot of Westlake, 271 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:18.656 or it would be in the hallway. 272 00:11:18.680 --> 00:11:20.296 We had Anvil Cases lined up the hall, 273 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.280 and we just basically took over the place. 274 00:11:22.450 --> 00:11:25.150 And we were creating sounds and using synthesizers 275 00:11:25.350 --> 00:11:27.550 in-in kind of a big way and replacing orchestra. 276 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:30.990 [playing Michael Jackson's "P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)"] 277 00:11:31.190 --> 00:11:33.570 ♪♪♪ 278 00:11:35.490 --> 00:11:37.526 [Paul Jackson, Jr.] So, one of the things that 279 00:11:37.550 --> 00:11:39.026 I noticed about Michael's development 280 00:11:39.050 --> 00:11:40.756 as a songwriter... I-I saw him getting 281 00:11:40.780 --> 00:11:42.466 more rhythmically and harmonically advanced, 282 00:11:42.490 --> 00:11:44.556 taking steps forward and forward and forward. 283 00:11:44.580 --> 00:11:47.610 His talent was not only developing as a singer. 284 00:11:47.810 --> 00:11:49.320 - Mm-hmm. - He developed as a... 285 00:11:49.520 --> 00:11:51.200 - as an entertainer. - Yes. 286 00:11:51.400 --> 00:11:53.086 It's funny you guys should have picked this room, 287 00:11:53.110 --> 00:11:56.540 'cause I'm walking through here, you know, and I-I just... 288 00:11:56.740 --> 00:11:58.626 you know, I'm just seeing. I can... 289 00:11:58.650 --> 00:12:00.120 I almost, um, channel him, 290 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.190 - his spirit into this room. - Yeah. 291 00:12:02.390 --> 00:12:03.540 He had us prepared. 292 00:12:03.740 --> 00:12:05.576 - We were prepared. - [Oren Waters] No question. 293 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.200 And he would come in ready to go. 294 00:12:07.270 --> 00:12:09.380 He was the kind of individual that, uh, 295 00:12:09.580 --> 00:12:11.720 had a awesome work ethic. 296 00:12:11.920 --> 00:12:13.840 [Ed Eckstine] The process was 297 00:12:14.040 --> 00:12:15.370 quite a, uh, adventure 298 00:12:15.570 --> 00:12:17.851 'cause most people forget that the first single 299 00:12:18.010 --> 00:12:19.756 from the album was "The Girl Is Mine." 300 00:12:19.780 --> 00:12:22.500 ♪ "The Girl Is Mine" by Michael Jackson & Paul McCartney ♪ 301 00:12:22.680 --> 00:12:25.460 Obviously, you had no bigger star in the world 302 00:12:25.660 --> 00:12:26.820 than Paul McCartney. 303 00:12:27.020 --> 00:12:28.846 And, you know, the pairing of Michael and Paul, 304 00:12:28.870 --> 00:12:31.820 what better flag waver to get a project started? 305 00:12:32.020 --> 00:12:34.606 [Michael] ♪ Every night, she walks right in my dreams ♪ 306 00:12:34.630 --> 00:12:37.930 ♪ Since I met her from the start ♪ 307 00:12:38.130 --> 00:12:40.700 ♪ I'm so proud I am the only one ♪ 308 00:12:40.900 --> 00:12:43.170 ♪ Who is special in her heart ♪ 309 00:12:43.370 --> 00:12:45.460 ♪ The girl is mine ♪ 310 00:12:45.660 --> 00:12:48.100 [Bruce Swedien] Yeah, hit it, John. Hit it, John. 311 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.760 ♪ The doggone girl is mine... ♪ 312 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:53.480 [Lukather] So we get the call. 313 00:12:53.580 --> 00:12:55.206 It's, like, Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson. 314 00:12:55.230 --> 00:12:57.586 I mean, it just didn't get any bigger than that, 315 00:12:57.610 --> 00:12:59.470 so we were kind of like, 316 00:12:59.670 --> 00:13:01.500 "Oh, holy shit. What are we gonna do? 317 00:13:01.700 --> 00:13:03.160 What's this gonna be all about?" 318 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.710 When Paul McCartney walked in the room, 319 00:13:05.910 --> 00:13:07.840 there was a palpable change of energy of: 320 00:13:08.040 --> 00:13:10.000 "Oh, my God, that's Paul McCartney." 321 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.260 [Michael] ♪ Saying that she's yours, not mine ♪ 322 00:13:13.460 --> 00:13:16.240 ♪ Sending roses and your silly dreams ♪ 323 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.220 ♪ Really just a waste of time ♪ 324 00:13:18.420 --> 00:13:20.620 ♪ Because she's mine ♪ 325 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:23.460 - [Quincy Jones] Beautiful. Whew! - Yeah. 326 00:13:23.660 --> 00:13:25.136 ♪ The doggone girl is mine ♪ 327 00:13:25.160 --> 00:13:27.556 Do that one more time, man, from the second verse. 328 00:13:27.580 --> 00:13:29.176 [Forger] Uh, that was a wonderful day. 329 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.426 For me, it was a day that changed my life. 330 00:13:31.450 --> 00:13:34.220 I was in the presence of the greatest, 331 00:13:34.420 --> 00:13:35.970 most successful people 332 00:13:36.170 --> 00:13:37.300 in the music business. 333 00:13:37.500 --> 00:13:40.330 Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones. 334 00:13:40.530 --> 00:13:42.390 George Martin was there. 335 00:13:42.590 --> 00:13:44.716 [Nelson George] Because of its catchy melody, 336 00:13:44.740 --> 00:13:47.616 many think "The Girl Is Mine" was written by Paul McCartney, 337 00:13:47.640 --> 00:13:50.650 when, in fact, it was composed by Michael Jackson. 338 00:13:50.850 --> 00:13:53.260 ♪ Really just a waste of time ♪ 339 00:13:53.460 --> 00:13:55.380 ♪ Because she's mine... ♪ 340 00:13:55.580 --> 00:13:57.300 Once the music started flowing, 341 00:13:57.500 --> 00:13:59.450 it was like here's two old friends. 342 00:13:59.650 --> 00:14:00.650 [beeping] 343 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.930 - ♪♪♪ - [dialogue inaudible] 344 00:14:05.140 --> 00:14:05.910 [beep] 345 00:14:06.110 --> 00:14:07.576 [McCartney] ♪ The girl is mine ♪ 346 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.136 [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪ 347 00:14:09.160 --> 00:14:11.156 [McCartney, singing deeply] ♪ Yes, she's mine ♪ 348 00:14:11.180 --> 00:14:13.346 - [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪ - [laughing] ♪ Don't waste ♪ 349 00:14:13.370 --> 00:14:14.370 [beeping] 350 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:16.396 [Michael] ♪ But we both cannot have her ♪ 351 00:14:16.420 --> 00:14:19.260 ♪ So it's one or the other ♪ 352 00:14:19.460 --> 00:14:21.760 ♪ And one day you'll discover ♪ 353 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:25.060 ♪ That she's my girl forever and ever ♪ 354 00:14:25.260 --> 00:14:28.021 [McCartney] ♪ Don't build your hopes to be let down... ♪ 355 00:14:28.160 --> 00:14:30.360 [George] Coming out of Off the Wall, 356 00:14:30.560 --> 00:14:31.590 the challenge was: 357 00:14:31.790 --> 00:14:33.426 Is Michael Jackson really a pop star, 358 00:14:33.450 --> 00:14:34.996 or is he just a big R and B artist? 359 00:14:35.020 --> 00:14:36.900 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo ♪ 360 00:14:37.100 --> 00:14:38.836 [Ivory] The way it worked was that 361 00:14:38.860 --> 00:14:40.896 you were a Black artist until you weren't, 362 00:14:40.920 --> 00:14:43.970 and you weren't when you got on the pop charts. 363 00:14:44.170 --> 00:14:45.170 Michael told me 364 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:47.560 "The Girl Is Mine" was his sneak attack. 365 00:14:47.760 --> 00:14:50.650 He knew he wanted to cross over, and what better way to do it 366 00:14:50.850 --> 00:14:52.540 than to have Paul McCartney? 367 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:54.246 [McCartney] I've heard it all before, Michael. 368 00:14:54.270 --> 00:14:56.366 She told me that I'm her forever lover, you know? 369 00:14:56.390 --> 00:14:57.390 Don't you remember? 370 00:14:57.560 --> 00:14:58.956 [Michael] Well, after loving me, 371 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:00.720 she said she couldn't love another. 372 00:15:00.920 --> 00:15:01.960 Is that what she said? 373 00:15:02.020 --> 00:15:03.780 Yeah, she said it. You keep dreaming. 374 00:15:03.940 --> 00:15:06.426 - ♪ I don't believe it, no ♪ - [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪ 375 00:15:06.450 --> 00:15:09.500 - ♪ The girl is mine ♪ - ♪ Mine, mine, mine ♪ 376 00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:11.306 - ♪ No, mine ♪ - [Michael] ♪ No, mine ♪ 377 00:15:11.330 --> 00:15:13.570 ♪ She's mine, mine, mine, mine, mine ♪ 378 00:15:13.770 --> 00:15:15.556 [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine, mine... ♪ 379 00:15:15.580 --> 00:15:17.096 [George] So, that initial session 380 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.780 with Michael and Paul happens in April. 381 00:15:19.980 --> 00:15:22.830 The actual formal sessions for Thriller 382 00:15:23.020 --> 00:15:24.666 didn't start for a couple months later. 383 00:15:24.690 --> 00:15:28.970 Yeah, Michael, uh, did the demos at-at his home studio. 384 00:15:29.890 --> 00:15:33.310 Quincy invited me to go to Michael's house 385 00:15:33.510 --> 00:15:35.170 to listen to some demos. 386 00:15:35.370 --> 00:15:36.900 What I didn't realize was that 387 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:39.630 we would be given our own private world premiere 388 00:15:39.830 --> 00:15:42.186 of "Billie Jean," "Beat It," "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'." 389 00:15:42.210 --> 00:15:44.430 ♪ "Beat It" (demo) by Michael Jackson ♪ 390 00:15:44.630 --> 00:15:45.630 ♪ Beat it ♪ 391 00:15:45.820 --> 00:15:47.300 ♪ But you're driving me mad ♪ 392 00:15:47.450 --> 00:15:50.730 - ♪ So beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 393 00:15:50.930 --> 00:15:53.560 ♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪ 394 00:15:53.760 --> 00:15:57.550 ♪ Showing how funky, strong is your fight ♪ 395 00:15:57.750 --> 00:16:00.650 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 396 00:16:00.850 --> 00:16:04.510 - ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 397 00:16:04.710 --> 00:16:06.850 ♪ No one wants to be defeated... ♪ 398 00:16:07.050 --> 00:16:09.046 [Michael] Well, the songwriting process 399 00:16:09.070 --> 00:16:11.560 is something that's very difficult to explain 400 00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:13.240 because it's very spiritual. 401 00:16:13.370 --> 00:16:15.650 ♪ Who's wrong or right, just beat it... ♪ 402 00:16:15.850 --> 00:16:19.440 It's, uh... it really is in the hands of God, 403 00:16:19.640 --> 00:16:22.130 and it's as if it's been written already. 404 00:16:22.330 --> 00:16:23.700 That's the real truth. 405 00:16:23.900 --> 00:16:26.890 As if it's been written in its entirety before you were born 406 00:16:27.090 --> 00:16:29.390 and you're just really the source 407 00:16:29.590 --> 00:16:31.390 through which the songs come. 408 00:16:31.590 --> 00:16:33.270 Really, because they're... 409 00:16:33.470 --> 00:16:35.920 they just fall right into your lap in its entirety. 410 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.550 You don't have to do much, uh, thinking about it. 411 00:16:40.750 --> 00:16:44.740 And I feel guilty having to put my name sometimes on the songs, 412 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:46.660 but I-I do write them. 413 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:49.850 I compose them. I write them. I-I do the scoring. 414 00:16:50.050 --> 00:16:51.930 I do the lyrics. I do the melody. 415 00:16:52.130 --> 00:16:55.600 But still it's, uh... it's the work of God. 416 00:16:55.810 --> 00:16:57.136 "Startin' Somethin'" was wild. You know, 417 00:16:57.160 --> 00:16:59.000 he had all this... [imitates drumbeat] 418 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:01.366 ♪ "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' by Michael Jackson ♪ 419 00:17:01.390 --> 00:17:03.550 [Mark Ronson] "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" 420 00:17:03.730 --> 00:17:07.200 has the frenetic percussion of Off the Wall, 421 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:08.680 which is amazing because 422 00:17:08.780 --> 00:17:10.966 it's like, you have these incredibly tight drum grooves 423 00:17:10.990 --> 00:17:12.790 and these programmed beats now. 424 00:17:12.990 --> 00:17:14.750 I think that's why, for-for me, 425 00:17:14.950 --> 00:17:17.346 "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" is still my favorite. 426 00:17:17.370 --> 00:17:21.440 I remember just, uh, uh, being able to go out and do the demo 427 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:23.056 - at Hayvenhurst, yeah. - [Maxine Waters] Mm-hmm. 428 00:17:23.080 --> 00:17:24.876 [Julia Waters] He had it before we got there, 429 00:17:24.900 --> 00:17:26.286 and then h-he just, you know, 430 00:17:26.310 --> 00:17:27.956 shared it with us and we worked out the parts. 431 00:17:27.980 --> 00:17:29.336 [Maxine] And we just had to perfect it, 432 00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:31.236 because it's so rhythmic and all that. 433 00:17:31.260 --> 00:17:33.336 And so he knew the sound, he knew the... 434 00:17:33.360 --> 00:17:36.960 the rhythm that he wanted to hear and everything, 435 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.000 so like I said, we were quick. 436 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.630 - ♪ Too low to get under ♪ - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 437 00:17:41.830 --> 00:17:43.170 ♪ Stuck in the middle ♪ 438 00:17:43.370 --> 00:17:45.126 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪ 439 00:17:45.150 --> 00:17:46.890 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Hard to get over ♪ 440 00:17:47.090 --> 00:17:50.660 [playing "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" accompaniment] 441 00:17:50.860 --> 00:17:53.240 ♪♪♪ 442 00:17:56.290 --> 00:17:59.380 There's a certain approach, you know, you want to take to... 443 00:17:59.580 --> 00:18:01.440 you know, to emphasize the feeling. 444 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:06.860 I would say that Quincy helped glue those elements together 445 00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:08.876 and make an arc out of the progression 446 00:18:08.900 --> 00:18:13.020 of how the song started to... to the vamp at the end, 447 00:18:13.220 --> 00:18:15.426 and made it seamless, you know, including horns, 448 00:18:15.450 --> 00:18:17.370 which, of course, at-at first thought, 449 00:18:17.570 --> 00:18:19.006 would be considered too jazzy, 450 00:18:19.030 --> 00:18:21.176 but they blended perfectly well in the song later on. 451 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.320 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ Too high to get over ♪ 452 00:18:23.410 --> 00:18:25.326 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ You're too low to get under ♪ 453 00:18:25.350 --> 00:18:27.536 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪ 454 00:18:27.560 --> 00:18:30.180 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ And the pain is thunder... ♪ 455 00:18:30.380 --> 00:18:34.350 But there's still that... [imitating percussive beat] 456 00:18:34.550 --> 00:18:37.540 [percussive beat playing] 457 00:18:39.910 --> 00:18:41.690 And then at the end, 458 00:18:41.890 --> 00:18:43.306 when it goes a cappella to... 459 00:18:43.330 --> 00:18:45.090 ♪ Mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪ 460 00:18:45.290 --> 00:18:47.260 That, as a DJ... that is your best friend 461 00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:51.680 because then you start to mix in your next record 462 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:53.816 and blending in whatever the biggest songs you have. 463 00:18:53.840 --> 00:18:55.526 ♪ Mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪ 464 00:18:55.550 --> 00:18:57.750 [scatting over "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"] 465 00:18:57.840 --> 00:18:59.466 ♪ Mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪ 466 00:18:59.490 --> 00:19:01.326 - ♪ Hee, hee, hee ♪ - ♪ Mama se, mama sa ♪ 467 00:19:01.350 --> 00:19:03.156 - ♪ Ma-ma coo sa ♪ - ♪ Help me sing it ♪ 468 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:04.900 ♪ Mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪ 469 00:19:04.930 --> 00:19:06.536 - ♪ Hoo, hoo ♪ - ♪ Mama se, mama sa ♪ 470 00:19:06.560 --> 00:19:08.160 - ♪ Ma-ma coo sa ♪ - ♪ Hee, hee ♪ 471 00:19:08.230 --> 00:19:09.916 ♪ Mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪ 472 00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:11.546 ♪ Mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪ 473 00:19:11.570 --> 00:19:13.226 - ♪ Sing it to the world ♪ - ♪ Mama se, mama sa... ♪ 474 00:19:13.250 --> 00:19:14.796 [Oren] As a matter of fact, I asked him 475 00:19:14.820 --> 00:19:16.276 what "mama se, mama sa, ma-ma coo sa" meant, 476 00:19:16.300 --> 00:19:18.040 you know, while it was going down. 477 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:19.886 He... "Well, it don't mean nothing. 478 00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:21.216 Just sing it, you know," and... 479 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.866 - [laughter] - Yeah, and there it is, 480 00:19:22.890 --> 00:19:24.886 because that was difficult to do, I'm telling you. 481 00:19:24.910 --> 00:19:27.050 He said, "I like singing with you all 482 00:19:27.250 --> 00:19:29.130 because you sound like me." 483 00:19:29.330 --> 00:19:31.780 He always thought our voices blended so well 484 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:34.086 - with-with his. - [Maxine and Oren] Mm-hmm. 485 00:19:34.110 --> 00:19:35.416 [Usher] "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" 486 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.240 was like... it was like an opportunity 487 00:19:37.280 --> 00:19:38.870 to kind of get into his mind. 488 00:19:39.070 --> 00:19:42.960 And this idea of, like, "Billie Jean" 489 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.860 and the fact that he was living kind of in this... 490 00:19:46.060 --> 00:19:47.090 this world where 491 00:19:47.290 --> 00:19:49.146 you didn't really know what was real or wasn't. 492 00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:50.876 ♪ "Billie Jean" (demo) by Michael Jackson ♪ 493 00:19:50.900 --> 00:19:52.870 ♪ She told me I was a lonely man ♪ 494 00:19:53.070 --> 00:19:54.280 ♪ And I felt sad ♪ 495 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.990 ♪ She called my name, then she said hello ♪ 496 00:19:57.190 --> 00:19:59.640 ♪ All them who died ♪ 497 00:19:59.840 --> 00:20:03.750 ♪ And I sit in a cup in a ride ♪ 498 00:20:06.250 --> 00:20:08.360 ♪ It seems that you ♪ 499 00:20:08.560 --> 00:20:10.750 [scatting melody] 500 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:16.240 [Blige] My mom had just bought 501 00:20:16.360 --> 00:20:18.680 a stereo system, and it had lights. 502 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:19.890 The drums kicked in. 503 00:20:20.090 --> 00:20:22.470 [imitating drumbeat] 504 00:20:23.730 --> 00:20:25.460 And then... [imitates bass line] 505 00:20:25.660 --> 00:20:27.170 I mean... [chuckles] What? 506 00:20:27.370 --> 00:20:30.440 And I ran down the hallway just to hear closely 507 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.610 what was... what was playing, what this record was. 508 00:20:33.810 --> 00:20:35.746 And it was "Billie Jean," and it was on 509 00:20:35.770 --> 00:20:37.130 and poppin' from there. [laughs] 510 00:20:37.210 --> 00:20:40.500 It's actually kind of nasty, and you can hear the room mics 511 00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:42.060 and it's dirtier than you think. 512 00:20:42.110 --> 00:20:43.506 You know, you always have that moment where 513 00:20:43.530 --> 00:20:45.446 you fall in love with an artist for the first time. 514 00:20:45.470 --> 00:20:48.300 Really truly great, legendary artists, 515 00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:51.860 you have that same feeling over and over and over again. 516 00:20:52.060 --> 00:20:53.540 "Billie Jean" was that moment 517 00:20:53.670 --> 00:20:56.510 where I fell in love with Michael all over again. 518 00:20:56.710 --> 00:20:59.470 ♪♪♪ 519 00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:03.290 When Michael sings it, 520 00:21:03.490 --> 00:21:08.000 he puts the funk into it the way he does all the... 521 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.190 [imitating Michael's vocalizations] 522 00:21:10.390 --> 00:21:12.720 and all the little stuff that he puts in. 523 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:14.336 That gives it the syncopation. 524 00:21:14.360 --> 00:21:16.800 And if I just go... [imitates beat] 525 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.450 he's gonna go... [imitating vocalizations] 526 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.870 ♪ She was more like a beauty queen ♪ 527 00:21:24.070 --> 00:21:25.616 - ♪ From a movie scene ♪ - [accompaniment fades] 528 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.346 [a cappella] ♪ I said, "Don't mind ♪ 529 00:21:27.370 --> 00:21:30.050 ♪ But what do you mean I am the one ♪ 530 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:35.170 ♪ Who will dance on the floor in the round?" ♪ 531 00:21:36.050 --> 00:21:38.580 ♪ She said I am the one ♪ 532 00:21:38.770 --> 00:21:42.100 ♪ Who will dance on the floor in the round ♪ 533 00:21:42.300 --> 00:21:44.680 [accompaniment returns] 534 00:21:45.520 --> 00:21:48.270 ♪ She told me her name was Billie Jean ♪ 535 00:21:48.470 --> 00:21:49.790 ♪ As she caused a scene ♪ 536 00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:51.290 ♪ Then every head turned ♪ 537 00:21:51.390 --> 00:21:52.920 ♪ With eyes that dreamed... ♪ 538 00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:55.570 [Usher] Everybody loves toxic R and B. 539 00:21:55.770 --> 00:21:58.760 "Billie Jean is not my lover. She's just a girl 540 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.256 who claims that I am the one"? 541 00:22:00.280 --> 00:22:02.126 Yeah, that's like, was it his side chick? 542 00:22:02.150 --> 00:22:04.386 You know what I'm saying? Was it some chick who, 543 00:22:04.410 --> 00:22:06.466 you know, he had an encounter with and got pregnant? 544 00:22:06.490 --> 00:22:08.730 Is this real, or is this some delusional fan 545 00:22:08.930 --> 00:22:11.320 who is saying that, you know, 546 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:13.710 they had an encounter that they did or didn't? 547 00:22:13.910 --> 00:22:15.270 All of those things just led you 548 00:22:15.330 --> 00:22:18.910 to be more intrigued about an artist, right? 549 00:22:19.110 --> 00:22:22.220 But it was, like, urgent and R and B. 550 00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:24.086 It was... it was crazy. It was a... 551 00:22:24.110 --> 00:22:26.116 an amazing R and B record, and his lyrics... 552 00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:28.330 you know, "The kid is not my son," I mean... 553 00:22:28.530 --> 00:22:31.360 ♪ The kid is not my son... ♪ 554 00:22:31.560 --> 00:22:33.280 [Blige] "The kid is not my son." 555 00:22:33.350 --> 00:22:36.340 [laughs] That first... well, that... we-we like bad boys, 556 00:22:36.540 --> 00:22:38.126 so that made us love him some more. 557 00:22:38.150 --> 00:22:40.870 And then when I saw the video, I was losing my mind. 558 00:22:41.070 --> 00:22:42.720 I lost my voice, screaming. 559 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:44.930 You know, it was about "Billie Jean." 560 00:22:45.130 --> 00:22:47.716 You know, him stepping on, you know, the-the pavement, 561 00:22:47.740 --> 00:22:51.290 it glowing and, you know, making you feel the magic. 562 00:22:51.490 --> 00:22:54.370 I'd storyboarded that, uh, he would walk down the, uh... 563 00:22:54.540 --> 00:22:56.576 the street and the paving stones would light up. 564 00:22:56.600 --> 00:22:58.436 And I showed him which 11 paving stones 565 00:22:58.460 --> 00:22:59.910 we could afford to have light up 566 00:23:00.110 --> 00:23:01.930 and therefore which ones couldn't. 567 00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:03.376 And he looked carefully at them, 568 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:05.316 and-and I said, "Well, should we rehearse it?" 569 00:23:05.340 --> 00:23:07.460 And he said, "No, let-let's just do it." 570 00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:10.080 And we ran the playback, the music, 571 00:23:10.280 --> 00:23:12.770 and the chorus kicked in for "Billie Jean," 572 00:23:12.970 --> 00:23:15.280 and he began his dance movement 573 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.346 down that street, and I'll never forget it. 574 00:23:17.370 --> 00:23:19.130 The-the camera actually steamed up. 575 00:23:19.190 --> 00:23:21.856 I could hardly even see him through the-the eyepiece 576 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:22.890 because it was 577 00:23:23.090 --> 00:23:24.790 so exciting to watch. 578 00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:27.180 [Ivory] Michael is doing so much moving 579 00:23:27.380 --> 00:23:30.370 that Steve isn't even getting. 580 00:23:30.570 --> 00:23:32.346 There are several shots in "Billie Jean" 581 00:23:32.370 --> 00:23:35.690 where he's just being shot from the waist up 582 00:23:35.890 --> 00:23:38.700 and you can just see him doing all kinds of stuff. 583 00:23:38.890 --> 00:23:39.890 And it's like, 584 00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:41.316 "Why aren't you getting that?" 585 00:23:41.340 --> 00:23:43.180 But that's just how new 586 00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:47.220 the medium was to capturing dancers. 587 00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:49.160 Michael opened the door for that. 588 00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:50.710 ♪ I am the one... ♪ 589 00:23:50.910 --> 00:23:53.176 And every time they just kept freezing him in those brackets, 590 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.240 and every time he'd walk, they froze him. 591 00:23:55.350 --> 00:23:56.806 And every time he said something, 592 00:23:56.830 --> 00:23:59.760 I just was losing my mind 'cause I loved him so much. 593 00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:01.070 But on "Billie Jean," 594 00:24:01.270 --> 00:24:04.260 we was like, "Oh, he is super-duper-duper sexy." 595 00:24:04.460 --> 00:24:06.910 - ♪ Not my lover ♪ - ♪ Don't call me, Billie Jean ♪ 596 00:24:07.110 --> 00:24:09.140 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover... ♪ 597 00:24:09.340 --> 00:24:12.370 [Branca] MTV refused to play "Billie Jean." 598 00:24:12.570 --> 00:24:14.980 They said, "Well, our network appeals to, 599 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:16.556 you know, white teenagers, 600 00:24:16.580 --> 00:24:19.380 and this just really doesn't fit our format." 601 00:24:19.580 --> 00:24:20.900 ♪ hard rock guitar riff ♪ 602 00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:22.680 [Mark Goodman] This is it. 603 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:24.950 Welcome to MTV Music Television. 604 00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:26.150 I'm Mark Goodman. 605 00:24:26.340 --> 00:24:27.986 - I'm Martha Quinn. - I'm Alan Hunter. 606 00:24:28.010 --> 00:24:30.106 [Goodman] You'll never look at music the same way again. 607 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:31.580 Turn it on! Leave it on! 608 00:24:31.780 --> 00:24:35.040 America, see the music you want to see. 609 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:36.630 I want my MTV. 610 00:24:36.830 --> 00:24:39.030 Some prominent Black musicians are complaining 611 00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:41.346 that they are being left out of the video market, 612 00:24:41.370 --> 00:24:43.950 specifically the Music Television cable operation. 613 00:24:44.150 --> 00:24:46.720 It-it occurred to me, having watched MTV 614 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.440 over the last few months, um, that it's-it's got a... 615 00:24:49.570 --> 00:24:52.730 it's a solid enterprise and it's got a lot going for it. 616 00:24:52.930 --> 00:24:55.596 I'm just floored by the fact that there's so many Bl... 617 00:24:55.620 --> 00:24:57.710 so few Black artists featured on it. 618 00:24:57.910 --> 00:24:59.070 Why is that? 619 00:24:59.270 --> 00:25:02.400 The fact is, quite frankly, we're a rock and roll station. 620 00:25:02.600 --> 00:25:06.090 MTV will deny this till the world ends, 621 00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:09.450 that they had nothing against Black artists. 622 00:25:09.650 --> 00:25:13.500 But they refused to, uh, play Michael. 623 00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:16.000 [Walter Yetnikoff] In 1975, I was named 624 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.270 president of the CBS Records Group 625 00:25:18.470 --> 00:25:21.190 and a vice president of CBS, Inc. 626 00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:25.070 No single record changed the business and my life 627 00:25:25.270 --> 00:25:28.910 as powerfully as Michael Jackson's Thriller. 628 00:25:29.110 --> 00:25:30.890 I screamed bloody murder 629 00:25:31.090 --> 00:25:33.520 when MTV refused to air his videos. 630 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.270 They argued that their format, white rock, 631 00:25:36.470 --> 00:25:38.150 excluded Michael's music. 632 00:25:38.350 --> 00:25:40.400 I argued they were racist assholes. 633 00:25:40.600 --> 00:25:42.650 [Branca] So Walter Yetnikoff said, 634 00:25:42.850 --> 00:25:43.860 "Really? Okay. 635 00:25:44.060 --> 00:25:45.456 If you don't play Michael Jackson, 636 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.760 I'm pulling Billy Joel and everybody else that I have, 637 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:50.040 uh, off of MTV." 638 00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:52.296 [Yetnikoff] I've never been more forceful 639 00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:53.540 or obnoxious. 640 00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:55.460 I've also never been as effective. 641 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.630 With added pressure from Quincy Jones, they caved in, 642 00:25:58.830 --> 00:26:03.130 and in doing so, the MTV color line came crashing down. 643 00:26:03.330 --> 00:26:04.996 [Ivory] One of the most important 644 00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:07.720 things about Thriller was the doors that it opened 645 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.310 for other artists to have the opportunity 646 00:26:11.510 --> 00:26:12.950 to get on the pop charts. 647 00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:16.020 Tina Turner. My God, Private Dancer. 648 00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:17.290 That's who it was. 649 00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:19.810 It was Tina, it was Lionel, it was Whitney, 650 00:26:20.010 --> 00:26:22.190 it was Michael and Prince. 651 00:26:22.390 --> 00:26:24.170 Revenues could just be crazy. 652 00:26:24.370 --> 00:26:26.590 ♪ Quiet, hypnotic music ♪ 653 00:26:26.790 --> 00:26:29.010 [George] Thriller changes the dynamic 654 00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:30.600 and the culture. 655 00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:33.410 Michael shows the way that this is possible. 656 00:26:33.610 --> 00:26:35.410 Yeah, I-I grew up, uh, 657 00:26:35.610 --> 00:26:39.210 during the time that Thriller was released, 658 00:26:39.410 --> 00:26:43.380 and MTV was just becoming a really big thing. 659 00:26:43.580 --> 00:26:46.450 I remember almost more vividly 660 00:26:46.650 --> 00:26:50.300 the amazing storytelling through the videos, 661 00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:52.966 which is pretty interesting 'cause I think here we are 662 00:26:52.990 --> 00:26:56.460 40 years later, and the music and the video 663 00:26:56.660 --> 00:26:59.980 is coming to life again for the next generation 664 00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:01.180 on TikTok. 665 00:27:01.350 --> 00:27:03.880 Michael Jackson's music has been available 666 00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:06.900 on TikTok since August 2020. 667 00:27:07.100 --> 00:27:09.340 I think there's a real rebirth 668 00:27:09.540 --> 00:27:13.580 of the music and the video from these songs on the album. 669 00:27:13.780 --> 00:27:16.890 And it is this new generation that's being exposed 670 00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:19.440 or engaging with the music. 671 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.400 There are about ten million 672 00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:25.320 video creations on TikTok right now 673 00:27:25.520 --> 00:27:27.920 that include music from Thriller. 674 00:27:28.120 --> 00:27:31.160 There are 17 billion views 675 00:27:31.360 --> 00:27:34.560 of those ten million videos that exist. 676 00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:39.330 There are about two billion likes on those videos, 677 00:27:39.530 --> 00:27:41.440 so people putting a little thumbs-up 678 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.280 or sharing or doing something to say, "I'm excited about this. 679 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:47.840 I'm engaging with this-this music." 680 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:49.280 Pretty massive numbers. 681 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.186 They're hearing it for the first time. 682 00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:52.316 They're-they're like... 683 00:27:52.340 --> 00:27:53.626 You know, it's-it's the same feeling 684 00:27:53.650 --> 00:27:55.730 we maybe had when we watched the MTV video 685 00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:57.890 for "Thriller" or "Beat It." 686 00:27:58.390 --> 00:28:01.400 They're having that same experience 40 years later, 687 00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:03.446 but rather than just watch, they're actually 688 00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:07.730 then making something to engage with that music. 689 00:28:09.650 --> 00:28:11.476 [Michael] I was kind of upset about 690 00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:15.470 the news I heard about MTV and how they weren't showing Blacks, 691 00:28:15.670 --> 00:28:16.990 and that kind of hurt me. 692 00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:20.230 So I wanted to do something that was so powerful, 693 00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:24.790 so strong that everybody would have to show it. 694 00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:27.440 But I wanted to tell a strong story. 695 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.360 The story had to sell itself. 696 00:28:29.560 --> 00:28:32.360 And what... these so-called videos weren't doing that. 697 00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:34.816 They were terrible. They were just a lot of nothing 698 00:28:34.840 --> 00:28:36.620 put together just to sell a song. 699 00:28:36.820 --> 00:28:38.540 I wanted my things to be powerful. 700 00:28:38.570 --> 00:28:40.446 I wanted to stand out from everything else 701 00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:42.430 that when you see it, you run to the set 702 00:28:42.510 --> 00:28:44.310 and you're glued to it, watching it. 703 00:28:44.410 --> 00:28:45.926 I wanted quality. I wanted excellence. 704 00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:49.070 I wanted the best. I wanted to perfect perfection. 705 00:28:49.270 --> 00:28:50.860 [Usher] One thing that I can 706 00:28:51.060 --> 00:28:52.126 always say about Michael 707 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:54.590 is that you felt like there was a sense of culture. 708 00:28:54.710 --> 00:28:56.700 And the culture would span all the way 709 00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:01.460 from kind of like this Broadway, you know, more theatrical world, 710 00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:04.500 and then there was this other element that was cultural, 711 00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:06.360 that was almost like gangsters. 712 00:29:06.560 --> 00:29:08.500 ♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪ 713 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.130 ♪♪♪ 714 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.560 You know, when you look at "Beat It" 715 00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:23.520 and the idea that the people of that era felt like, 716 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.730 "Oh, he's speaking to us and with us. 717 00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:28.650 He's rocking with us. He's making music for us. 718 00:29:28.850 --> 00:29:31.030 We can dance to his music." 719 00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:33.650 ♪♪♪ 720 00:29:44.620 --> 00:29:46.710 It was an incredible move to decide, 721 00:29:46.910 --> 00:29:49.420 "We're gonna have a rock and roll record 722 00:29:49.620 --> 00:29:50.630 on this thing." 723 00:29:50.830 --> 00:29:53.280 "Beat It" was straight up rock and roll. 724 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:54.996 [Steven Ray] Michael's idea with "Beat It" 725 00:29:55.020 --> 00:29:57.160 was to distance himself from Off the Wall, 726 00:29:57.360 --> 00:29:58.700 from the dance, disco. 727 00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:00.336 And Michael wanted to stretch. 728 00:30:00.360 --> 00:30:01.856 Creatively, he wanted to stretch. 729 00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.316 [Lukather] They wanted a crossover hit across the board. 730 00:30:04.340 --> 00:30:06.290 Rock, R and B, pop. 731 00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:09.560 They called me to come in with Michael and Quincy 732 00:30:09.770 --> 00:30:13.110 to do the... [imitates "Beat It" guitar riff] 733 00:30:13.650 --> 00:30:15.626 They want to go rock and roll, let's do it. 734 00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:18.760 You know, so I did it with all... you know, all-all that, 735 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.646 doubled it and made it sound huge. 736 00:30:20.670 --> 00:30:22.670 And then I played the bass on it as well. 737 00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:24.580 I did play bass on that record as well. 738 00:30:24.760 --> 00:30:27.330 So I sat with them and made that swing, 739 00:30:27.530 --> 00:30:29.386 and when Michael was dancing in the room, 740 00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:30.636 I knew I was in the pocket. 741 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.016 [Branca] When he wrote "Beat It," 742 00:30:32.040 --> 00:30:34.690 he said, "I want a kind of guitar player on here 743 00:30:34.890 --> 00:30:39.840 that will attract young, white, teenage males." 744 00:30:40.050 --> 00:30:41.090 Eddie Van Halen. 745 00:30:41.590 --> 00:30:43.856 [Ray] He said, "Well, what do you want me to do?" 746 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:45.000 And Quincy said, "Well, 747 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.290 I want you to be you. 748 00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:47.846 That's you right there." And he pointed 749 00:30:47.870 --> 00:30:49.806 to the famous, you know, Strat that he had. 750 00:30:49.830 --> 00:30:52.390 And he said, "I'm not gonna tell you what to play. 751 00:30:52.520 --> 00:30:53.520 You go be you." 752 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:54.956 [Branca] I mean, Eddie ripped 753 00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:56.746 these solos off one after the other. 754 00:30:56.770 --> 00:30:58.940 [rhythmic thumping] 755 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.410 [playing "Beat It" guitar solo] 756 00:31:02.610 --> 00:31:04.950 ♪♪♪ 757 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.806 [Marinelli] I remember, like, hearing 758 00:31:12.830 --> 00:31:14.300 the sound coming from Studio A, 759 00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:16.130 where he was doing the-the solo. 760 00:31:16.330 --> 00:31:17.380 It was so loud. 761 00:31:17.580 --> 00:31:18.680 I could... I just... 762 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:19.880 It was just so loud. 763 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.740 Bruce Swedien and Quincy brilliantly 764 00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:24.600 edited that solo together. 765 00:31:24.800 --> 00:31:26.680 I mean, I think I probably just loved it 766 00:31:26.780 --> 00:31:28.616 'cause, at that moment, it was probably everything 767 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.730 that I ever loved in one song, you know? 768 00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:32.900 I've done way more time googling 769 00:31:33.100 --> 00:31:37.510 Lukather's tone on "Beat It" than, um, Eddie Van Halen's, 770 00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:39.720 because it's the tone that drives 771 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.336 the whole record... that's the riff. 772 00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:45.260 It's the perfect way that, like, a rock guitar could ever sit 773 00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:47.680 over programmed drums in a... in a... 774 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.250 like, a funky groove. 775 00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:50.986 I thought his videos were incredible. 776 00:31:51.010 --> 00:31:52.846 I mean, first off, the guy could dance. 777 00:31:52.870 --> 00:31:54.176 I mean, just being in the room, 778 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.480 watching him groove while we're playing. 779 00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:57.826 [Rich Talauega] That short film... 780 00:31:57.850 --> 00:31:59.146 you see, this whole movie, 781 00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:01.396 it's about a big fight that's about to happen, right, 782 00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:02.820 between two rival gangs, right? 783 00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:05.350 ♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪ 784 00:32:05.550 --> 00:32:07.970 ♪♪♪ 785 00:32:15.390 --> 00:32:16.690 ♪ Beat it... ♪ 786 00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:19.490 [Tone Talauega] He saw value in street culture. 787 00:32:19.690 --> 00:32:21.490 He wanted to try to figure out a way 788 00:32:21.520 --> 00:32:23.010 on how to incorporate it, and... 789 00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.430 and the beginning of it was "Beat It." 790 00:32:25.630 --> 00:32:27.150 [Rich] The people that you see 791 00:32:27.260 --> 00:32:31.770 in that film are a mixture of dancers and street cats. 792 00:32:31.970 --> 00:32:33.480 And not only that 793 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.540 is that you actually had real gangsters on set. 794 00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:38.340 Like, real Bloods and Crips 795 00:32:38.540 --> 00:32:40.720 and Vatos and all that, like, for real. 796 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.680 [Terry Lewis] There was such a magic 797 00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:44.106 in Michael and his movement. 798 00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:47.100 ♪ No one wants to be defeated, oh, Lord ♪ 799 00:32:47.300 --> 00:32:50.560 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 800 00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:53.710 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 801 00:32:53.910 --> 00:32:55.380 ♪ Just beat it... ♪ 802 00:32:55.580 --> 00:32:56.716 [Rich] You had B-boying 803 00:32:56.740 --> 00:32:58.190 that was going on in New York. 804 00:32:58.390 --> 00:32:59.656 You had popping and locking 805 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.306 that was going down over here in California, 806 00:33:01.330 --> 00:33:04.610 and strutting and-and robotting, all them. 807 00:33:04.810 --> 00:33:06.290 So the guy that's vibrating 808 00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:09.160 in the "Beat It" short film with the... with the glasses on, 809 00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:10.520 his name is Robot Dane. 810 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:11.980 This is the first ever 811 00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.960 street dance wave of the United States of America. 812 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.230 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 813 00:33:18.430 --> 00:33:19.676 ♪ It doesn't matter... ♪ 814 00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:21.260 [Usher] The most relevant scene 815 00:33:21.330 --> 00:33:25.970 at the time, which either was breakdancing, locking, 816 00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:28.790 popping, waving, whatever it might have been, 817 00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:30.720 he's pushing the envelope forward, 818 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.796 he's teaching us some things, he's informing us as artists, 819 00:33:33.820 --> 00:33:35.830 but also, too, as performers, 820 00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:39.550 he's letting us know that, "Yo, I want to be the baddest." 821 00:33:39.750 --> 00:33:41.650 As a fan or a critic, 822 00:33:41.850 --> 00:33:44.680 you're always looking for breathtaking moments, 823 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.920 the time when you say, 824 00:33:46.020 --> 00:33:47.416 "I've never seen anything like that. 825 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.580 I'm probably not gonna see anything like that again." 826 00:33:50.780 --> 00:33:52.200 The Motown show, 827 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.750 that's what I think was the most important step 828 00:33:54.950 --> 00:33:59.290 in the whole Thriller process of making him the superstar. 829 00:33:59.490 --> 00:34:02.590 ♪ And I'll be there ♪ 830 00:34:02.790 --> 00:34:05.590 - ♪ Whoo! ♪ - [crowd cheering] 831 00:34:07.510 --> 00:34:09.030 [Ivory] Bob Jones was, uh, 832 00:34:09.230 --> 00:34:12.060 vice president of publicity at Motown. 833 00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:13.260 He says, 834 00:34:13.430 --> 00:34:15.540 "We're doing a Motown show." 835 00:34:15.740 --> 00:34:20.730 I rented a tuxedo, and, uh, I went to the show. 836 00:34:20.930 --> 00:34:22.050 People just went crazy. 837 00:34:22.250 --> 00:34:24.130 [Blige] I was home in front of the TV. 838 00:34:24.310 --> 00:34:27.200 [chuckles] Waiting for him to take us there. 839 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:28.976 First, we didn't know what he was gonna do, 840 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.796 because he was up there with his brothers. 841 00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:32.810 [Ivory] The Jacksons leave, 842 00:34:33.010 --> 00:34:35.620 the brothers leave, and Mike stays out there. 843 00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:36.820 [crowd cheering] 844 00:34:36.910 --> 00:34:38.000 And in the audience, 845 00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:40.250 you could hear just kind of like: 846 00:34:40.450 --> 00:34:43.500 "What's-what's getting ready to happen now?" 847 00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:52.010 And, you know, Mike goes through the whole... 848 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:54.566 "Those were some great times. I love the-the old songs." 849 00:34:54.590 --> 00:34:56.156 You know, th-those were good songs. 850 00:34:56.180 --> 00:34:57.960 I-I like those songs a lot, 851 00:34:58.160 --> 00:35:01.750 but, especially, I like... 852 00:35:01.950 --> 00:35:03.906 - [spectator] "Billie Jean"! - [crowd shouting] 853 00:35:03.930 --> 00:35:05.616 - the new songs. - [crowd cheering] 854 00:35:05.640 --> 00:35:07.630 [Ivory] And then here comes 855 00:35:07.830 --> 00:35:08.910 "Billie Jean." 856 00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:12.200 - ["Billie Jean" playing] - [raucous cheering] 857 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.660 ♪♪♪ 858 00:35:17.580 --> 00:35:20.540 The tape that you can see 859 00:35:20.740 --> 00:35:22.000 of "Billie Jean" 860 00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:26.760 and the stuff you see going on in the audience, 861 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:31.300 it does not capture what was happening in that crowd. 862 00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:33.760 These people were going 863 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.970 absolutely berserk. 864 00:35:36.470 --> 00:35:39.670 ♪ Who will dance on the floor in the round? ♪ 865 00:35:39.870 --> 00:35:42.310 Mike just turned it the fuck out. 866 00:35:42.510 --> 00:35:46.320 ♪ People always told me, "Be careful of what you do ♪ 867 00:35:46.520 --> 00:35:49.630 ♪ Don't go around breakin' young girls' hearts" ♪ 868 00:35:49.830 --> 00:35:50.930 ♪ Hee-hee ♪ 869 00:35:51.130 --> 00:35:53.640 ♪ And Mother always told me... ♪ 870 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.810 I mean, he just laid a bomb on that room. 871 00:35:57.010 --> 00:35:59.520 ♪ "'Cause the lie becomes the truth," hey, hey ♪ 872 00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:01.960 ♪ Billie Jean is not my... ♪ 873 00:36:02.160 --> 00:36:03.650 [Hilburn] I was at that show 874 00:36:03.850 --> 00:36:05.246 at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium. 875 00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:07.866 And he's moving different. He's got his own moves now. 876 00:36:07.890 --> 00:36:10.880 He's not so much doing what-what he learned growing up, 877 00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:12.530 and he was excited about it. 878 00:36:12.730 --> 00:36:13.800 ♪ Hee-hee-hee ♪ 879 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:15.000 ♪♪♪ 880 00:36:15.090 --> 00:36:17.020 [Blige] We just was happy to see 881 00:36:17.220 --> 00:36:19.060 Michael Jackson perform, period. 882 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:21.390 Nobody seen the moonwalk coming. 883 00:36:22.680 --> 00:36:25.060 [cheering] 884 00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:27.650 ♪ She says I am... ♪ 885 00:36:27.850 --> 00:36:29.266 [Hilburn] He does the moonwalk. 886 00:36:29.290 --> 00:36:31.050 That's the breathtaking moment, okay? 887 00:36:31.210 --> 00:36:33.146 And after the show, I couldn't believe it. 888 00:36:33.170 --> 00:36:35.130 I had to go backstage and to ask somebody, 889 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.120 "Was there a special trick floor? 890 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.000 [laughs] How did he do that?" 891 00:36:40.200 --> 00:36:42.920 [Rich] You know, this was the performance 892 00:36:43.120 --> 00:36:45.330 that really changed space and time. 893 00:36:45.830 --> 00:36:48.380 A few of his dances, we call 'em timekeepers. 894 00:36:48.580 --> 00:36:51.090 And he created a whole vocabulary of timekeepers, 895 00:36:51.290 --> 00:36:52.730 whether it's with his hip... 896 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.030 [snapping rhythmically] 897 00:36:55.230 --> 00:36:57.070 or with his... you know, his side, 898 00:36:57.130 --> 00:36:59.600 - stomping with the ankle. - That's right. 899 00:37:00.930 --> 00:37:03.600 Or he'll stomp with the foot. 900 00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:08.360 With that, you can sing. 901 00:37:08.560 --> 00:37:09.680 You see what I'm saying? 902 00:37:09.870 --> 00:37:11.116 And it looks like you're dancing. 903 00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:12.436 - But you're really not. - It's an illu... 904 00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:14.100 It's-it's a bit of a trick, right? 905 00:37:14.130 --> 00:37:16.070 And you go... you walk over here. 906 00:37:16.270 --> 00:37:18.490 [scatting rhythmically] 907 00:37:18.690 --> 00:37:19.690 And switch the mic, 908 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.040 flip the coat, put the hand in the pocket. 909 00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:24.276 You could do a few things here and there that only... 910 00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.020 only you can do if you know your song and your music. 911 00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:28.900 ♪♪♪ 912 00:37:29.100 --> 00:37:30.140 You know, when you see 913 00:37:30.310 --> 00:37:32.820 him glide across the floor or pop, 914 00:37:33.020 --> 00:37:34.470 it's a special effect. 915 00:37:34.670 --> 00:37:36.760 He saw magic in that dance. 916 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.450 Look at that... if you pause each moment, 917 00:37:39.650 --> 00:37:41.090 it's an iconic silhouette. 918 00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:44.100 It's the hat, it's the arms, it's the... 919 00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:45.980 it's the tapping of the leg. 920 00:37:46.180 --> 00:37:47.810 Right? The kick. 921 00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:50.350 ♪♪♪ 922 00:37:51.190 --> 00:37:54.800 To see a Black man standing on his toes, 923 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.160 seeing that and not being conscious of it 924 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.060 has made generations of Black, brown, 925 00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.810 white, whatever color kids feel like anything was possible. 926 00:38:05.010 --> 00:38:08.940 It's bigger than I think we, uh, think and acknowledge. 927 00:38:09.140 --> 00:38:10.630 [cheering] 928 00:38:10.830 --> 00:38:12.440 [Ivory] After Mike finished, 929 00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:15.160 the producer had to get on the microphone and say, 930 00:38:15.190 --> 00:38:18.120 "Ladies and gentlemen, please, please, 931 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.990 gather yourselves and take your seats. 932 00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:23.020 We have more show to tape. 933 00:38:23.220 --> 00:38:24.930 There's much more show coming." 934 00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:28.310 And it took a minute for people to get their ties back together 935 00:38:28.510 --> 00:38:30.800 and the women to put their wigs back on. 936 00:38:30.990 --> 00:38:32.926 [George] Okay, I have one question for you. 937 00:38:32.950 --> 00:38:34.800 Who was the unfortunate artist 938 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.530 - who had to come on... - [laughing] 939 00:38:39.990 --> 00:38:42.450 I don't remember. [laughing] 940 00:38:42.650 --> 00:38:45.370 [cheering continues] 941 00:38:46.330 --> 00:38:48.296 [Usher] I think that was the moment that he had 942 00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.150 his breakout moment from the... from the group. 943 00:38:51.350 --> 00:38:53.820 That song, "Billie Jean," 944 00:38:54.020 --> 00:38:56.950 and the way he performed it on that night 945 00:38:57.150 --> 00:38:59.450 set the standard of what it was to be a megastar. 946 00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:02.236 The next day after the show, Fred Astaire called my house. 947 00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:03.946 He said, "I saw the show last night. 948 00:39:03.970 --> 00:39:06.050 I taped it. I watched it twice this morning." 949 00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:07.636 And he said, "You were incredible. 950 00:39:07.660 --> 00:39:09.886 You're a hell of a mover, and you really put them 951 00:39:09.910 --> 00:39:11.690 on their A-S-S," he said. 952 00:39:11.890 --> 00:39:13.056 And I said, "God, thank you. 953 00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:14.746 It's so wonderful for you to say that, 954 00:39:14.770 --> 00:39:16.076 'cause I think you're the best." 955 00:39:16.100 --> 00:39:18.990 And that was my r-reward, 'cause I think he's brilliant. 956 00:39:19.190 --> 00:39:21.070 ♪ Tense, hypnotic music ♪ 957 00:39:21.270 --> 00:39:22.740 ♪♪♪ 958 00:39:22.940 --> 00:39:24.416 [Copeland] To a classical dancer, 959 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.446 it's about your line, it's about the shapes 960 00:39:26.470 --> 00:39:27.810 that you're-you're making. 961 00:39:28.010 --> 00:39:29.540 And Michael does that. 962 00:39:29.740 --> 00:39:32.610 That, to me, is very similar to a trained dancer, 963 00:39:32.810 --> 00:39:34.250 even though he wasn't trained. 964 00:39:34.410 --> 00:39:37.590 He would've been the ideal ballet dancer. 965 00:39:37.790 --> 00:39:39.360 The proportions of his body. 966 00:39:39.560 --> 00:39:43.890 He was lean, uh, and long, um, and just had, like, 967 00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:46.200 a natural instinct when he moved. 968 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.730 But there... but there was such precision and clarity. 969 00:39:49.930 --> 00:39:51.270 He was a perfectionist, 970 00:39:51.470 --> 00:39:54.820 and that's what dancers are. 971 00:39:55.020 --> 00:39:57.860 Um, you know, you don't commit that type of time 972 00:39:58.060 --> 00:39:59.610 and sacrifice your body, 973 00:39:59.810 --> 00:40:01.430 the injury, all of those things, 974 00:40:01.630 --> 00:40:04.870 if you don't have the passion for it and the love for it. 975 00:40:05.070 --> 00:40:07.850 And all of that sums up Michael 976 00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:10.520 as a dancer, as a performer, as an artist. 977 00:40:10.720 --> 00:40:13.880 [George] Michael Jackson didn't invent dancing on film, 978 00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:15.266 but his particular synthesis 979 00:40:15.290 --> 00:40:17.860 of the Nicholas Brothers on one hand 980 00:40:18.060 --> 00:40:21.950 and Bob Fosse, Astaire, popping, locking, 981 00:40:22.150 --> 00:40:24.070 moonwalking... no one had ever 982 00:40:24.270 --> 00:40:26.296 put those elements together before like that. 983 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.220 You can see it all the way through from 984 00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:30.296 "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" and "Thriller," 985 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.446 all the way through to all of these other artists. 986 00:40:32.470 --> 00:40:35.980 Look at MC Hammer, "U Can't Touch This." 987 00:40:36.600 --> 00:40:40.570 Then you go forward to, like, Usher and Justin Timberlake. 988 00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:43.930 And then you go farther forward to Justin Bieber, 989 00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:46.240 Doja Cat, Bruno Mars. 990 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:47.920 [Branca] Michael is emulated. 991 00:40:48.070 --> 00:40:51.020 If you look at BTS, you can see it. 992 00:40:51.220 --> 00:40:52.466 [BTS's "Dynamite" playing] 993 00:40:52.490 --> 00:40:54.610 [Ivory] I'm all in with BTS. 994 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:55.900 I love those guys. 995 00:40:56.100 --> 00:40:58.900 Every move they do is all Michael Jackson. 996 00:40:59.100 --> 00:41:00.950 Michael created that. 997 00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:03.340 [George] The entire K-pop wave, 998 00:41:03.540 --> 00:41:05.340 they've all studied Michael 999 00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:10.390 in terms of stage clothes, video clothes and stagecraft. 1000 00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:13.250 There's a great video if you watch BTS. 1001 00:41:13.450 --> 00:41:15.230 There's a lot of Michael Jackson. 1002 00:41:15.430 --> 00:41:16.786 You see it in their dancing. 1003 00:41:16.810 --> 00:41:19.880 ♪ 'Cause I, I, I'm in the stars tonight ♪ 1004 00:41:20.080 --> 00:41:24.590 ♪ So watch me bring the fire and set the night alight ♪ 1005 00:41:24.790 --> 00:41:29.290 ♪ Shining through the city with a little funk and soul ♪ 1006 00:41:29.490 --> 00:41:33.850 ♪ So I'm-a light it up like dynamite, whoa-oh-oh ♪ 1007 00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:37.900 ♪ Dyn-na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na, na-na-na, life is dynamite ♪ 1008 00:41:38.100 --> 00:41:39.100 ♪ Dyn-na-na-na... ♪ 1009 00:41:39.270 --> 00:41:41.440 [George] So, the entire K-pop movement, 1010 00:41:41.640 --> 00:41:44.180 they're students of the game. 1011 00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:47.410 You can look at a number of millennial hip-hop artists... 1012 00:41:47.610 --> 00:41:49.260 Polo G being one of them... 1013 00:41:49.460 --> 00:41:52.520 23, 24 years old, from Chicago, 1014 00:41:52.720 --> 00:41:55.120 yet he's very much in trance with Michael Jackson 1015 00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:56.880 and he uses Michael Jackson music 1016 00:41:57.080 --> 00:41:58.536 and imagery in some of his music. 1017 00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:00.460 ♪ Ha, smooth criminal, Mike Jack ♪ 1018 00:42:00.660 --> 00:42:03.286 ♪ And I still like to tote a four-five like Mike back ♪ 1019 00:42:03.310 --> 00:42:04.876 [Polo G] It was just a night I was riding around, 1020 00:42:04.900 --> 00:42:07.146 I was riding in my car, and I was just listening 1021 00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:08.780 to Michael Jackson interviews. 1022 00:42:08.980 --> 00:42:10.236 I wasn't listening to music. 1023 00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:11.626 I was just listening to his interviews. 1024 00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:13.406 And I just came up with this idea, like, 1025 00:42:13.430 --> 00:42:17.520 maybe I should do, uh, this song and this instrumental 1026 00:42:17.720 --> 00:42:19.790 and just really mess everybody head up 1027 00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:21.246 'cause I know they wouldn't 1028 00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:22.866 be expecting that from a young artist. 1029 00:42:22.890 --> 00:42:25.206 ♪ Tell me, Annie, are you okay? Screaming out, "No way" ♪ 1030 00:42:25.230 --> 00:42:26.876 ♪ Tell me, Annie, are you okay? ♪ 1031 00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:30.930 'Cause I remember my grandma had this same exact album. 1032 00:42:31.130 --> 00:42:32.490 My auntie, who was her daughter, 1033 00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:34.210 she was a big Michael Jackson fan, 1034 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.120 so she always had us listening to him. 1035 00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:38.830 So I remember her having this one exactly. 1036 00:42:39.030 --> 00:42:40.390 [George] It's pretty wild. 1037 00:42:40.450 --> 00:42:44.260 It says how powerful the imagery that Michael created was. 1038 00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:46.700 ♪ Soft, atmospheric music ♪ 1039 00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:48.390 ♪♪♪ 1040 00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:49.950 [Ray] On Thriller, 1041 00:42:50.150 --> 00:42:51.950 his life was evolving, you know, 1042 00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:55.500 and his vocal approach was different. 1043 00:42:55.700 --> 00:42:58.060 There's vocalists, and there's stylists. 1044 00:42:58.260 --> 00:42:59.790 [chuckles] Style wins. 1045 00:42:59.990 --> 00:43:02.040 When you can hear a person sing 1046 00:43:02.250 --> 00:43:04.860 and recognize them fr-from the first couple bars, 1047 00:43:05.060 --> 00:43:06.740 you know you got something special. 1048 00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:08.106 They have a special tone, 1049 00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:09.990 a special voice, a special delivery. 1050 00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:11.456 Now, Michael had all of that. 1051 00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.760 In just the way he loved to dance 1052 00:43:13.970 --> 00:43:15.410 and-and he loved to perform, 1053 00:43:15.490 --> 00:43:19.440 he turned all of that melody that he was so great with 1054 00:43:19.640 --> 00:43:21.110 into percussive melody. 1055 00:43:21.310 --> 00:43:23.556 Well, that's what he did. He would sing drum parts. 1056 00:43:23.580 --> 00:43:25.090 He would sing bass lines. 1057 00:43:25.290 --> 00:43:27.690 He would, uh... all with his rhythmic inflections. 1058 00:43:27.810 --> 00:43:29.356 We call it "drums in your mouth." 1059 00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.456 He would beatbox. He was an amazing beatboxer. 1060 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.950 But beatbox with melody and sing, you know, 1061 00:43:34.150 --> 00:43:35.220 not just beatboxing. 1062 00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:37.620 He would, you know, integrate melody with it. 1063 00:43:37.740 --> 00:43:39.616 And you can hear it on "Beat It," you know, 1064 00:43:39.640 --> 00:43:42.250 just the way he would attack each syllable. 1065 00:43:42.450 --> 00:43:45.400 ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ 1066 00:43:45.600 --> 00:43:47.490 ♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪ 1067 00:43:47.690 --> 00:43:49.030 [accompaniment fades] 1068 00:43:49.230 --> 00:43:52.390 [a cappella] ♪ Showin' how funky, strong is your fight ♪ 1069 00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:56.120 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 1070 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.810 ♪ Just beat it ♪ 1071 00:43:59.010 --> 00:44:00.100 ♪ Beat it... ♪ 1072 00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:02.460 I think of all of his melodies and his songs, 1073 00:44:02.660 --> 00:44:04.300 and they're completely percussive. 1074 00:44:04.330 --> 00:44:06.616 I mean, they're incredibly rhythmically hooky, 1075 00:44:06.640 --> 00:44:09.480 and, you know, all those songs, and the songs that he wrote 1076 00:44:09.600 --> 00:44:11.881 have these very aggressive staccato rhythms. 1077 00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:15.080 I feel like "Billie Jean" and "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'," 1078 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.640 they're really short and stabby. 1079 00:44:16.740 --> 00:44:18.946 They're always, like... there's a tiny bit of, like, 1080 00:44:18.970 --> 00:44:21.230 anger and, like, contempt in the... in the... 1081 00:44:21.430 --> 00:44:23.096 in the way that he's singing and writing. 1082 00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:25.280 [Michael, a cappella] ♪ I know I am someone ♪ 1083 00:44:25.390 --> 00:44:27.320 ♪ And let the truth unfurl ♪ 1084 00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:29.320 ♪ No one can hurt you now ♪ 1085 00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:31.280 ♪ Because you know what's true ♪ 1086 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.140 ♪ Yes, I believe in me ♪ 1087 00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:35.200 ♪ So you believe in you ♪ 1088 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.120 ♪ Help me sing it ♪ 1089 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.470 ♪ Hoo-hoo! ♪ 1090 00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:42.420 The greatest soul singers are not afraid to feel the music, 1091 00:44:42.620 --> 00:44:44.820 you know, just do what the music tells them to do. 1092 00:44:44.870 --> 00:44:48.230 For all the new cats, all the new-school cats 1093 00:44:48.430 --> 00:44:50.800 that are going on record and ad-libbing, 1094 00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.130 and they say, like... 1095 00:44:52.330 --> 00:44:55.390 [aggressive staccato scatting] 1096 00:44:55.590 --> 00:44:58.520 I'm sorry, Michael did that first. 1097 00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:00.370 I'll prove it to you. 1098 00:45:00.570 --> 00:45:04.150 [Michael, a cappella] ♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪ 1099 00:45:04.350 --> 00:45:06.190 [brief staccato scatting] 1100 00:45:06.390 --> 00:45:07.390 ♪ Beat it ♪ 1101 00:45:07.580 --> 00:45:09.246 [Michael yawning over beatboxing] 1102 00:45:09.270 --> 00:45:10.280 ♪ Beat it ♪ 1103 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.010 Why was he yawning on a record, though? 1104 00:45:13.210 --> 00:45:14.320 It shows the freedom 1105 00:45:14.520 --> 00:45:16.550 and how comfortable he felt in the studio 1106 00:45:16.750 --> 00:45:18.436 without worrying about people's judgment 1107 00:45:18.460 --> 00:45:19.796 or, like, "Yo, what's that?" 1108 00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:21.966 Because you know he was bringing the freaking skills. 1109 00:45:21.990 --> 00:45:25.440 You knew he was bringing ultra talent and imagination, 1110 00:45:25.640 --> 00:45:27.320 for him to be like, "You know what? 1111 00:45:27.470 --> 00:45:28.746 I feel like yawning right here." 1112 00:45:28.770 --> 00:45:31.050 [Michael yawning over beatboxing] 1113 00:45:31.250 --> 00:45:32.970 ♪ Beat it ♪ 1114 00:45:33.170 --> 00:45:34.626 [Michael grunts dramatically] 1115 00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:36.746 I-I don't know what that one is. I don't know what... 1116 00:45:36.770 --> 00:45:38.640 [laughing] I don't... but I love it. 1117 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:40.890 And I'm listening to his ad-libs. 1118 00:45:41.090 --> 00:45:42.330 He's doing all that... 1119 00:45:42.530 --> 00:45:44.620 [beatboxing] 1120 00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:47.210 He's doing all this rhythmic stuff. 1121 00:45:47.410 --> 00:45:49.840 ♪ "Human Nature" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1122 00:45:50.040 --> 00:45:53.840 [Michael beatboxing as instrumental track fades] 1123 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.540 [Ray] Michael had such a clear vision 1124 00:46:04.740 --> 00:46:06.560 of what he wanted, and Quincy, 1125 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.080 he knows who wanted to work with each other. 1126 00:46:09.270 --> 00:46:10.556 There's a number of things going on. 1127 00:46:10.580 --> 00:46:12.530 We have "Beat It," drums being done 1128 00:46:12.730 --> 00:46:14.720 by Jeff Porcaro at Sunset Sound; 1129 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:18.030 Steve Lukather in Studio B at Westlake; 1130 00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:20.640 Studio A, Quincy and Bruce. 1131 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.160 Quincy's going back and forth between A and B, 1132 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:24.410 across the hallway. 1133 00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:27.270 Then you add the E.T. storybook album, 1134 00:46:27.470 --> 00:46:30.420 and-and then... then it's just a lot going on. 1135 00:46:30.620 --> 00:46:32.746 Quincy had become friends with Steven Spielberg. 1136 00:46:32.770 --> 00:46:37.360 And I remember one day he... Steven invited Quincy 1137 00:46:37.560 --> 00:46:40.300 down to the set when he was working on E.T. 1138 00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.780 And, uh, E.T. was there, 1139 00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:44.506 and the guys who were operating it at the time were there. 1140 00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:46.006 And I think somewhere in the course of it, 1141 00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:47.756 Steven had said to Quincy, said, "You know, 1142 00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:49.650 "I want to do a rec... we should do 1143 00:46:49.850 --> 00:46:51.390 a record of some sort." 1144 00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:53.420 [Branca] So Quincy, I think, 1145 00:46:53.620 --> 00:46:55.100 came to Michael and-and said, 1146 00:46:55.190 --> 00:46:58.740 "Steven wants us to do the E.T. storybook album," 1147 00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.226 where Michael would narrate the story of E.T. 1148 00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:04.370 and Michael would write and sing a song for the album. 1149 00:47:04.870 --> 00:47:06.716 [Eckstine] And Michael was a big fan, too, 1150 00:47:06.740 --> 00:47:08.096 so, "Quincy, let's do this." 1151 00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:11.380 So they started doing it in the midst of doing Thriller. 1152 00:47:11.580 --> 00:47:15.380 I've always loved film, and, uh, 1153 00:47:15.580 --> 00:47:17.740 we're talking, in the stage of doing, uh, 1154 00:47:17.850 --> 00:47:21.370 Quincy Jones and myself and Steven Spielberg, 1155 00:47:21.570 --> 00:47:23.410 uh, working on a project. 1156 00:47:23.610 --> 00:47:25.640 [Branca] The problem is nobody bothered 1157 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.460 to call Walter Yetnikoff 1158 00:47:27.660 --> 00:47:29.810 and clear the rights because the album was 1159 00:47:30.010 --> 00:47:32.600 going out on Universal MCA's label. 1160 00:47:33.190 --> 00:47:36.400 I'll never forget, uh, one day, I was at a-a meeting 1161 00:47:36.600 --> 00:47:38.990 and I get a call, so I get on the phone 1162 00:47:39.190 --> 00:47:42.430 and Walter says, "Tell Michael to stop kissing the monster." 1163 00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:44.620 "Walter, what are you talking about?" 1164 00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:46.196 "Stop kissing the monster!" 1165 00:47:46.220 --> 00:47:49.480 So, if you look at the E.T. storybook album, 1166 00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:51.306 Michael's got his arm around E.T. 1167 00:47:51.330 --> 00:47:53.716 They're like pals, and that's what Walter was talking about. 1168 00:47:53.740 --> 00:47:54.996 It wasn't just an album. 1169 00:47:55.020 --> 00:47:56.706 It was a whole box set with posters 1170 00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:59.380 and a picture of Michael with E.T. 1171 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.030 So Walter filed an injunction against, 1172 00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:05.910 uh, MCA and Universal 1173 00:48:06.110 --> 00:48:08.580 and made them take the album out of the stores. 1174 00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:11.300 It was already shipped. It was already a huge hit. 1175 00:48:11.470 --> 00:48:12.880 They had to pull the album back. 1176 00:48:13.080 --> 00:48:15.570 Epic wasn't happy, and they felt it was sort of 1177 00:48:15.770 --> 00:48:18.590 holding up their record, the-the Thriller record. 1178 00:48:18.790 --> 00:48:20.036 Yeah, they sued, you know. 1179 00:48:20.060 --> 00:48:21.806 "No, you can't have our artist, da-da-da-da-da." 1180 00:48:21.830 --> 00:48:24.240 You know, and Walter was litigious anyway, 1181 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.580 and so he-he went... he went in hard. 1182 00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:28.370 And MCA responded hard, 1183 00:48:28.570 --> 00:48:30.136 and it was, you know, all hell broke loose. 1184 00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:32.850 [Branca] And he said, "John, is he mad at me?" 1185 00:48:33.050 --> 00:48:35.610 I said, "What do you think, Walter?" [laughs] 1186 00:48:35.810 --> 00:48:38.590 "You-you just sued him and Steven Spielberg 1187 00:48:38.790 --> 00:48:40.840 and Quincy Jones, and you wonder... 1188 00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:43.030 you're wondering if he's mad at you?" 1189 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:46.990 Uh, and he goes, "What can I do to make it up?" 1190 00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:49.126 And I said, "You give him the owner... 1191 00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:50.756 ownership of his master recordings: 1192 00:48:50.780 --> 00:48:52.906 Off the Wall, Thriller and everything to come." 1193 00:48:52.930 --> 00:48:53.940 And he said, "Done." 1194 00:48:54.140 --> 00:48:57.340 To get your masters back in the middle of a contract, 1195 00:48:57.540 --> 00:49:00.110 I don't think had ever, ever happened. 1196 00:49:00.310 --> 00:49:02.470 ♪ "Carousel" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1197 00:49:02.670 --> 00:49:04.266 [Ray] Rod came with his songs. 1198 00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:05.370 Michael had his songs. 1199 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:06.956 And if those worked, they worked. 1200 00:49:06.980 --> 00:49:09.300 If they didn't, they-they went looking elsewhere. 1201 00:49:09.380 --> 00:49:11.520 ♪ I lost my heart ♪ 1202 00:49:11.720 --> 00:49:14.860 ♪ On the carousel ♪ 1203 00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:17.460 ♪ To a circus girl ♪ 1204 00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:21.340 ♪ Who left my heart in pieces... ♪ 1205 00:49:21.540 --> 00:49:23.800 [Jones] "Carousel" was a great song, 1206 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.281 and fortunately or unfortunately, you know, 1207 00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:27.740 there was only room on the album 1208 00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:32.250 for one mood like, uh, "Carousel" or-or "Human Nature," 1209 00:49:32.450 --> 00:49:36.130 and "Human Nature" was the choice we had to make, you know. 1210 00:49:36.330 --> 00:49:37.770 Toto was big at that time. 1211 00:49:37.850 --> 00:49:40.050 [Jones] Toto, who I just adored, 1212 00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:42.780 we worked together a lot, and, um, they sent over 1213 00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:46.370 two demos that they thought would be right for Michael, 1214 00:49:46.570 --> 00:49:48.160 and all of a sudden, there's... 1215 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.480 at the end, there was all this silence. 1216 00:49:50.510 --> 00:49:51.950 And then it said... it said... 1217 00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:53.580 ♪ Why, why? ♪ 1218 00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:55.560 [scatting "Human Nature" melody] 1219 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.790 ♪ Why? ♪ 1220 00:49:56.990 --> 00:49:58.346 And-and I tell you, I get... 1221 00:49:58.370 --> 00:50:00.116 I get goose bumps just talking about it. 1222 00:50:00.140 --> 00:50:02.720 And I said, "What the hell is that?" You know? 1223 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:04.400 That's what took "Carousel" out. 1224 00:50:04.600 --> 00:50:06.106 I said, "This is where we want to go," 1225 00:50:06.130 --> 00:50:08.680 'cause it's got such a... a-a wonderful flavor. 1226 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.986 - [crowd cheering] - [Michael] I'll tell you what. 1227 00:50:11.010 --> 00:50:14.220 Tonight, I want to do... 1228 00:50:14.850 --> 00:50:17.650 one of my favorite songs. 1229 00:50:17.850 --> 00:50:20.020 ♪ I touched her shoulder ♪ 1230 00:50:20.220 --> 00:50:23.800 ♪ She likes the way I stare ♪ 1231 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.280 ♪ And they say, "Why?" ♪ 1232 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:27.510 Everybody sing! 1233 00:50:27.710 --> 00:50:30.100 ♪ Tell them that it's human nature ♪ 1234 00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:33.700 ♪ Why, why does he do me that way? ♪ 1235 00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:37.020 The song that always haunts me is "Human Nature." 1236 00:50:37.220 --> 00:50:38.900 - [chuckles] - [exhales sharply] 1237 00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:40.766 - Um... Yeah. - What a beautiful record. 1238 00:50:40.790 --> 00:50:42.226 That's-that's one of those records that you just say, 1239 00:50:42.250 --> 00:50:44.440 "I wish I would've did that record." [laughs] 1240 00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:46.760 And that always, for me, is the... 1241 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.200 the test of if I love it or not. 1242 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.500 [Michael] I remember one experience in the studio, 1243 00:50:53.690 --> 00:50:55.810 Rod Temperton, one of the writers on the album, 1244 00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:58.520 and he said, "Michael, if you only had three hits 1245 00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:01.320 off this album, would you not be happy?" 1246 00:51:01.520 --> 00:51:03.000 I said, "I'd be very angry." 1247 00:51:03.200 --> 00:51:04.800 And they all started laughing. 1248 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.590 I said, "I expect eight hits off of this album. 1249 00:51:08.790 --> 00:51:10.050 Nine, all of 'em." 1250 00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:12.660 [Michael Jackson's "Human Nature" playing] 1251 00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:14.216 That is how I am. I'm sorry. 1252 00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:16.940 And my attitude was always reaching out for more. 1253 00:51:17.130 --> 00:51:18.730 Never being satisfied. 1254 00:51:18.930 --> 00:51:23.210 And right at this very moment, I'm on my fifth hit record. 1255 00:51:23.710 --> 00:51:26.070 Five. "Human Nature" is number ten. 1256 00:51:26.270 --> 00:51:29.910 And I've broken a record that has never been done before... 1257 00:51:30.110 --> 00:51:31.546 five hit songs for one album. 1258 00:51:31.570 --> 00:51:36.510 Always reaching out for more, striving for excellence. 1259 00:51:39.470 --> 00:51:41.690 [Ray] It's so engaging 1260 00:51:41.890 --> 00:51:43.650 because the idea 1261 00:51:43.850 --> 00:51:45.366 was to have something for everyone. 1262 00:51:45.390 --> 00:51:47.996 There was a song that I didn't really know too much about 1263 00:51:48.020 --> 00:51:49.266 that was called "Starlight," 1264 00:51:49.290 --> 00:51:51.650 and it was a disco song that Rod Temperton wrote. 1265 00:51:51.770 --> 00:51:55.580 You know, so it really evolved from 1266 00:51:55.780 --> 00:51:59.190 this click here at 1:18. 1267 00:51:59.390 --> 00:52:02.110 And so, okay, we lay the click down, and the idea was: 1268 00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:04.326 "Let's put it... let's put a new version down. 1269 00:52:04.350 --> 00:52:06.686 Let's put some tracks down and see where it goes." 1270 00:52:06.710 --> 00:52:08.740 So we-we started with this drumbeat. 1271 00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:10.206 [synthesized drumbeat playing] 1272 00:52:10.230 --> 00:52:13.510 Four on the floor, kind of dance song. 1273 00:52:13.970 --> 00:52:16.810 And then... backbeat. 1274 00:52:17.010 --> 00:52:19.790 [drumbeat continues] 1275 00:52:19.990 --> 00:52:21.580 Claps on the four. 1276 00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:25.000 [synthesized handclaps add to the beat] 1277 00:52:25.200 --> 00:52:28.520 And then the hi-hat part was like this. 1278 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.280 Five, six, seven, eight. 1279 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.700 [drumbeat continues] 1280 00:52:35.070 --> 00:52:37.530 And then open hat. 1281 00:52:39.330 --> 00:52:40.980 There we go. 1282 00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:43.500 And then the cowbell. 1283 00:52:51.670 --> 00:52:52.860 Here we go. 1284 00:52:53.060 --> 00:52:55.280 So, another thing about Michael and Quincy 1285 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:56.220 is they like kind of like 1286 00:52:56.420 --> 00:52:58.500 a little bit of a feel to the music. 1287 00:52:58.690 --> 00:53:00.160 So, this is straight time. 1288 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.190 And then we add a little bit of shuffle to it 1289 00:53:03.390 --> 00:53:07.270 so it just kind of pushes it a little bit like that. 1290 00:53:07.470 --> 00:53:08.470 So it's in. 1291 00:53:08.580 --> 00:53:13.090 And then the bass line ended up being kind of like a... 1292 00:53:13.290 --> 00:53:15.090 something I never would have expected, 1293 00:53:15.150 --> 00:53:17.680 like a little bit of a Latin rhythm, like... 1294 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.530 [imitating drum and bass beat] 1295 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.920 Which sounded like a conga line to me, but... 1296 00:53:24.120 --> 00:53:27.110 [playing synthesized bass line] 1297 00:53:27.310 --> 00:53:29.210 And there was the-the opening. 1298 00:53:29.410 --> 00:53:33.010 [playing "Thriller" synthesizer melody] 1299 00:53:33.210 --> 00:53:36.260 ♪ "Thriller" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1300 00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:38.990 ♪♪♪ 1301 00:53:39.190 --> 00:53:40.560 [wolf howling] 1302 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:42.636 [Phillinganes] Just layering all the parts to "Thriller" 1303 00:53:42.660 --> 00:53:46.430 was one of the most fun sessions I've ever done in my life. 1304 00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.020 [Yetnikoff] At 24, Michael had become more 1305 00:53:49.120 --> 00:53:51.900 than a master singer, dancer, songwriter. 1306 00:53:52.100 --> 00:53:54.840 He was a super salesman of his own mystique. 1307 00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:58.100 Michael's passion for world conquest was singular. 1308 00:53:58.300 --> 00:54:02.200 He lived, breathed, slept, dreamt and spoke 1309 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.450 of nothing but number one successes. 1310 00:54:06.540 --> 00:54:08.406 Thriller stayed number one for months. 1311 00:54:08.430 --> 00:54:12.170 In the long period of its unprecedented success, however, 1312 00:54:12.370 --> 00:54:15.780 when it occasionally fell to second place for a week or two, 1313 00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:17.620 Michael panicked. 1314 00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:19.220 Hysterical, he'd berate me 1315 00:54:19.420 --> 00:54:21.770 for failing to pump up the promotion. 1316 00:54:21.970 --> 00:54:23.560 "I'm pumping, Michael," I'd say. 1317 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.370 "I promise you I'm pumping." 1318 00:54:25.570 --> 00:54:26.930 And I was. 1319 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.200 [Ivory] After Thriller had sold 1320 00:54:29.390 --> 00:54:31.650 about three or four million copies, 1321 00:54:31.850 --> 00:54:33.420 I got a call about 12 noon. 1322 00:54:33.620 --> 00:54:35.880 On the phone was the record company saying, 1323 00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:37.626 "Hey, listen, if you're not busy, 1324 00:54:37.650 --> 00:54:40.240 we need you to get over here right now." 1325 00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.950 Michael was going to be presented a-a plaque 1326 00:54:44.150 --> 00:54:46.140 for the-the Thriller record. 1327 00:54:46.340 --> 00:54:49.500 And we were wondering, why were we waiting? 1328 00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:52.400 In came Jane Fonda. 1329 00:54:52.600 --> 00:54:53.940 Jane? 1330 00:54:54.140 --> 00:54:56.500 [applause] 1331 00:54:58.420 --> 00:55:00.410 I love Michael, and I admire him. 1332 00:55:00.610 --> 00:55:02.891 He's the only person I know that writes music 1333 00:55:03.030 --> 00:55:04.850 that you can dream to and dance to 1334 00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:06.500 and love to and work out to. 1335 00:55:06.700 --> 00:55:08.026 And I do all of 'em to it. 1336 00:55:08.050 --> 00:55:10.130 - Come here, Michael. - [applause] 1337 00:55:10.330 --> 00:55:11.810 [Ivory] In retrospect, I know 1338 00:55:11.910 --> 00:55:14.310 exactly what he was doing. 1339 00:55:14.900 --> 00:55:16.876 He understood the importance of having 1340 00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:20.800 a big white star giving him this plaque. 1341 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.180 Uh, Michael has a number one single on the pop charts, 1342 00:55:24.380 --> 00:55:26.370 number one album on the pop charts, 1343 00:55:26.570 --> 00:55:29.750 number one single on the R and B charts, 1344 00:55:29.950 --> 00:55:32.190 number one album on the R and B charts. 1345 00:55:32.390 --> 00:55:33.830 And I think that starts... 1346 00:55:34.020 --> 00:55:35.820 that's sort of an historic record. 1347 00:55:36.020 --> 00:55:37.896 [Maxwell] But I don't think we understood 1348 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.360 where it was gonna go until 1349 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.620 the "Thriller" video came out. 1350 00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.560 ♪ Suspenseful orchestral music ♪ 1351 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.340 ♪♪♪ 1352 00:55:45.850 --> 00:55:47.356 [Branca] As far as the record company 1353 00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:49.520 was concerned, the album cycle was done. 1354 00:55:49.720 --> 00:55:51.556 They were thrilled with whatever it sold, 1355 00:55:51.580 --> 00:55:54.800 and Michael said, "No, no, we're gonna... we got more." 1356 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.040 "Thriller," of all the songs on the album, 1357 00:55:57.190 --> 00:56:01.220 uh, seems like you can do much more video-wise... 1358 00:56:01.420 --> 00:56:03.990 no, movie-wise... than any of the songs 1359 00:56:04.190 --> 00:56:06.200 'cause of the story and all the visuals 1360 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.600 and monsters and stuff. 1361 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.240 And so I came up with an idea 1362 00:56:10.410 --> 00:56:12.960 of thinking that I really want to change, 1363 00:56:13.160 --> 00:56:16.510 metamorphosis into some other creature. 1364 00:56:16.710 --> 00:56:19.860 I... and I-I saw American Werewolf In London. 1365 00:56:20.060 --> 00:56:21.890 I really liked it. 1366 00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:24.580 And-and I said, "Who's the director who did it?" 1367 00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:26.336 And they said, "John Landis, John Landis." 1368 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.336 I said, "Great. That's who we got to get." 1369 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.430 So I said, "Get in touch with him." 1370 00:56:30.970 --> 00:56:33.010 [John Landis] So I get this call, and he says, 1371 00:56:33.080 --> 00:56:35.480 "Michael Jackson," and I really thought... 1372 00:56:35.980 --> 00:56:38.010 "Little Michael Jackson of The Jackson 5?" 1373 00:56:38.210 --> 00:56:40.126 I mean, I thought, "He's a kid," you know? 1374 00:56:40.150 --> 00:56:42.230 And he told me he had a song, "Thriller," 1375 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.220 and he wanted me to make a video. 1376 00:56:44.420 --> 00:56:45.420 And I said, "Why?" 1377 00:56:45.610 --> 00:56:47.490 His brother showed him on the bus 1378 00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:50.500 the tape of American Werewolf, I think to scare him, 1379 00:56:50.700 --> 00:56:52.546 but he loved American Werewolf in London. 1380 00:56:52.570 --> 00:56:56.730 And he was obviously fascinated with Rick Baker's work. 1381 00:56:56.930 --> 00:56:59.290 [roaring] 1382 00:56:59.960 --> 00:57:01.840 And so he called me and said, 1383 00:57:02.040 --> 00:57:04.016 "I want to turn into a monster. Will you do it?" 1384 00:57:04.040 --> 00:57:06.410 And the record label wouldn't pay for it. 1385 00:57:06.610 --> 00:57:08.490 And, uh... and we talked, and I said, 1386 00:57:08.630 --> 00:57:10.656 "Michael, you know, you shouldn't pay for this. 1387 00:57:10.680 --> 00:57:13.150 You shouldn't pay for it yourself." 1388 00:57:13.350 --> 00:57:15.170 And he said, "Branca, figure it out." 1389 00:57:15.370 --> 00:57:17.150 Nobody wanted him to do this. 1390 00:57:17.350 --> 00:57:19.480 This was entirely his own thing. 1391 00:57:19.680 --> 00:57:23.360 And everybody else... his people and the record company... 1392 00:57:23.560 --> 00:57:27.350 said, "Next album. Let's... We've already... Michael, hello. 1393 00:57:27.550 --> 00:57:30.890 It's the most successful album of all time. We want..." 1394 00:57:31.090 --> 00:57:34.000 So they thought "Thriller" was outrageous. 1395 00:57:34.200 --> 00:57:36.420 [George] Its budget was $1.2 million dollars. 1396 00:57:36.620 --> 00:57:39.100 That's at a time when the average music video budget 1397 00:57:39.220 --> 00:57:40.550 was only $50,000 dollars. 1398 00:57:40.750 --> 00:57:43.860 So I went... I went back to the office and thought about it. 1399 00:57:44.060 --> 00:57:46.700 And I thought up this idea of a making-of. 1400 00:57:46.900 --> 00:57:48.220 Went to MTV and Showtime, 1401 00:57:48.340 --> 00:57:50.660 and-and Michael was the biggest thing on the planet. 1402 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.006 And I said, "We'll give you 1403 00:57:52.030 --> 00:57:53.630 a making of Michael's next video. 1404 00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:54.960 We need a million two." 1405 00:57:55.160 --> 00:57:57.860 And they came back, and they said yes. 1406 00:57:58.060 --> 00:57:59.386 [Michael] We're trying to bring back 1407 00:57:59.410 --> 00:58:00.730 the motion picture shorts, 1408 00:58:00.810 --> 00:58:03.740 which we will do with, uh... with "Thriller." 1409 00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:05.916 A lot of the videos... I hate to use the word "video" 1410 00:58:05.940 --> 00:58:08.546 'cause I like to think of it as a film, which it is... 1411 00:58:08.570 --> 00:58:12.370 we're doing a short film... a lot of 'em are so terrible. 1412 00:58:12.570 --> 00:58:15.050 And I wanted "Thriller" and "Beat It" to be a stimulant 1413 00:58:15.200 --> 00:58:18.520 for people to make better videos or short films. 1414 00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:23.070 I really did, 'cause, I mean, I love MTV, watching it. 1415 00:58:23.270 --> 00:58:24.666 You know, I think it's great, 1416 00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.340 but a lot of stuff I see, I'm not so crazy about. 1417 00:58:27.540 --> 00:58:29.500 [Landis] He wanted to turn into a... 1418 00:58:29.550 --> 00:58:30.670 at first, a-a wolf man, 1419 00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:35.210 like the werewolf in American Werewolf. 1420 00:58:35.410 --> 00:58:36.480 [growling] 1421 00:58:36.680 --> 00:58:40.500 His desire was to turn into a monster 1422 00:58:40.700 --> 00:58:41.960 on camera. 1423 00:58:42.160 --> 00:58:44.280 We had the character turn into 1424 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.720 a four-legged hound from hell, a... 1425 00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:49.390 you know, a beast. 1426 00:58:49.590 --> 00:58:52.600 And Michael wanted to do that, and I told him, 1427 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:54.750 "Michael, it would be so difficult 1428 00:58:54.950 --> 00:58:56.310 for you to dance with four legs, 1429 00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:58.670 you know, and for the puppeteers. 1430 00:58:58.870 --> 00:58:59.380 No." 1431 00:58:59.580 --> 00:59:01.110 So then it was gonna be 1432 00:59:01.310 --> 00:59:03.630 more of a traditional wolf man character. 1433 00:59:03.830 --> 00:59:08.030 And Rick Baker did the first design, and it was great 1434 00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:11.030 but truly terrifying. 1435 00:59:11.230 --> 00:59:13.200 And I said, "Aah! Whatever we have him 1436 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.770 turn into, he's got to be attractive." 1437 00:59:15.970 --> 00:59:18.400 Scary but... 1438 00:59:18.600 --> 00:59:21.130 kind of cool and elegant, you know? 1439 00:59:21.330 --> 00:59:25.510 So his second design, he made him that "were-cat," 1440 00:59:25.710 --> 00:59:28.680 and it's a much more graceful design. 1441 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.280 Are you all right? 1442 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.890 - Go away! - [screams] 1443 00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:34.450 [roaring] 1444 00:59:34.650 --> 00:59:37.160 ♪ "Thriller" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1445 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.730 ♪♪♪ 1446 00:59:38.930 --> 00:59:40.986 [Deborah Nadoolman Landis] Michael Jackson was 1447 00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:42.230 a very slight person. 1448 00:59:42.430 --> 00:59:45.210 99 pounds soaking wet. 1449 00:59:45.410 --> 00:59:49.220 So, how do you develop a presence on screen? 1450 00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:50.430 For "Thriller," 1451 00:59:50.630 --> 00:59:52.200 you know, it was supposed to be 1452 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.760 a satire of a teenage horror film, 1453 00:59:54.970 --> 00:59:56.330 so he's in a letterman's jacket. 1454 00:59:56.380 --> 01:00:00.150 And then, with his red jacket for that theater, 1455 01:00:00.350 --> 01:00:03.940 I was trying to create a silhouette that was 1456 01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:08.630 sexy, masculine, impressive, 1457 01:00:08.830 --> 01:00:14.490 and... and gave him weight on screen. 1458 01:00:15.240 --> 01:00:17.980 [John Landis] So, with Michael's fascination 1459 01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:21.980 with monsters, I said, "Well, you'll become two monsters. 1460 01:00:22.180 --> 01:00:23.500 You'll become a werewolf," 1461 01:00:23.640 --> 01:00:27.650 and then when we decided on dancing zombies, a zombie. 1462 01:00:27.850 --> 01:00:29.490 Doesn't make sense, but who cares? 1463 01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:31.550 You know, it's a fantasy. 1464 01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:35.450 And he really enjoyed the process of the makeup, 1465 01:00:35.650 --> 01:00:38.430 and he really enjoyed wearing the makeup. 1466 01:00:38.630 --> 01:00:41.370 Most actors hate it, and he loved it. 1467 01:00:41.570 --> 01:00:43.380 He's so dynamic, Mike, 1468 01:00:43.580 --> 01:00:45.520 and he has such power and such charm. 1469 01:00:45.720 --> 01:00:49.320 As I had seen it, just looking at, you know, 1470 01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:52.050 "Can You Feel It" and everything I saw, 1471 01:00:52.250 --> 01:00:56.100 it's like, "Why isn't he being sexual?" 1472 01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:58.410 I mean, he's a rock star. 1473 01:00:58.610 --> 01:01:01.920 So one of the first things for me was 1474 01:01:02.120 --> 01:01:06.230 I wanted a girl to make him sexy 1475 01:01:06.430 --> 01:01:08.090 and to also... 1476 01:01:08.290 --> 01:01:12.130 to be gaga in love with him. 1477 01:01:12.330 --> 01:01:14.620 The big eyes, you know. 1478 01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:18.430 And I saw over a hundred actresses 1479 01:01:18.630 --> 01:01:20.550 and dancers and all kinds of people. 1480 01:01:20.700 --> 01:01:22.080 And when Ola came in, 1481 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.960 one, she was desperate, desperate 1482 01:01:25.160 --> 01:01:28.400 to be with Michael Jackson, and she was adorable. 1483 01:01:28.600 --> 01:01:31.300 [Ola Ray] Michael Jackson isn't Michael Jackson 1484 01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:33.180 as a werewolf. 1485 01:01:33.380 --> 01:01:35.740 Michael Jackson is 1486 01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:38.740 another person totally with the mask. 1487 01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:41.660 And I like, you know, when he's so shy. 1488 01:01:41.860 --> 01:01:43.580 I have something I want to tell you. 1489 01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:45.540 [John Landis] The only time I really 1490 01:01:45.580 --> 01:01:48.036 explained something to him, I said, "You know, Michael, 1491 01:01:48.060 --> 01:01:52.010 I want you to know when you say, 'I'm not like other guys'..." 1492 01:01:52.210 --> 01:01:54.160 I'm not like other guys. 1493 01:01:54.350 --> 01:01:56.170 "...it will get a laugh." 1494 01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.586 And he was clueless. He said, "Why would this get a laugh?" 1495 01:01:59.610 --> 01:02:01.776 I said, "Because you're not like other guys." 1496 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:04.680 But at least he was prepared, 'cause it got a huge laugh 1497 01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:07.880 and, uh... and so he was in on it. 1498 01:02:08.080 --> 01:02:11.090 You know, I think he would have been terribly upset otherwise. 1499 01:02:11.290 --> 01:02:13.380 [Rich] From the beginning of the film, 1500 01:02:13.580 --> 01:02:15.860 going to the theater, 1501 01:02:16.060 --> 01:02:18.126 then you're walking out, and then Michael has 1502 01:02:18.150 --> 01:02:19.356 that cat-and-mouse sort of, uh, 1503 01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:21.100 walk that he's doing with Ola Ray. 1504 01:02:21.260 --> 01:02:25.370 That's like an ode back to, uh, classic, uh, musicals, right? 1505 01:02:25.570 --> 01:02:26.690 The cat-and-mouse chase. 1506 01:02:26.870 --> 01:02:28.716 Right? Th-Then, you know, the-the man 1507 01:02:28.740 --> 01:02:30.516 playing up to the woman and all that. 1508 01:02:30.540 --> 01:02:32.076 [John Landis] And it's a dolly shot. 1509 01:02:32.100 --> 01:02:35.820 And I said, "Mike, here's what we're gonna do. 1510 01:02:36.020 --> 01:02:38.930 As long as Ola could keep the beat, 1511 01:02:39.130 --> 01:02:40.600 you do those lyrics, 1512 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.850 you can never be more than this many feet away from her." 1513 01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:46.366 [Deborah Nadoolman Landis] The big difference between 1514 01:02:46.390 --> 01:02:49.440 a costume designer and a fashion designer is, 1515 01:02:49.640 --> 01:02:52.650 for us, it's all about dramatic context. 1516 01:02:52.850 --> 01:02:54.330 So, where are they gonna be? 1517 01:02:54.520 --> 01:02:57.450 They're gonna be in an alley and a movie theater. 1518 01:02:57.650 --> 01:02:58.930 And what are they doing? 1519 01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.530 They're on a date, and Michael is gonna 1520 01:03:01.740 --> 01:03:04.640 be playful and be seductive. 1521 01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:06.410 She's dressed in blue. 1522 01:03:06.610 --> 01:03:07.690 She's cool. 1523 01:03:07.890 --> 01:03:10.650 She's relaxed. She's in jeans. 1524 01:03:10.850 --> 01:03:13.570 They did have a leopard print on them, 1525 01:03:13.770 --> 01:03:16.700 but, you know, tight jeans, little jacket. 1526 01:03:16.900 --> 01:03:18.360 She couldn't have been cuter. 1527 01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:20.280 I think, to the audience, 1528 01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.080 with what she's wearing and her attitude, 1529 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.710 she's sending off every good vibe. 1530 01:03:25.900 --> 01:03:28.420 And I'll say, "Okay, well, that was fine. 1531 01:03:28.620 --> 01:03:30.150 I don't want fine. 1532 01:03:30.350 --> 01:03:32.590 You're Michael Jackson, 1533 01:03:32.790 --> 01:03:35.550 so it has to be great. 1534 01:03:35.750 --> 01:03:37.400 Because if you can't be great, 1535 01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:39.680 why the fuck do I have Michael Jackson here?" 1536 01:03:39.790 --> 01:03:42.310 So he goes, "Okay, John." 1537 01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:43.780 And he did the next take. 1538 01:03:43.860 --> 01:03:45.810 He was great! [laughs] You know? 1539 01:03:46.010 --> 01:03:51.170 ♪ For you and I to cuddle close together, yeah ♪ 1540 01:03:51.370 --> 01:03:53.480 ♪ All through the night ♪ 1541 01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:56.570 ♪ I'll save you from the terror on the screen ♪ 1542 01:03:56.770 --> 01:03:58.090 ♪ I'll make you see... ♪ 1543 01:03:58.290 --> 01:04:00.780 [John Landis] Michael Peters and Michael Jackson 1544 01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:02.600 came up with the choreography, 1545 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:04.560 and it's fascinating choreography 1546 01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.540 because the dancers were allowed 1547 01:04:07.740 --> 01:04:10.500 more rehearsal than usual. 1548 01:04:10.700 --> 01:04:12.250 At that point already, 1549 01:04:12.450 --> 01:04:15.590 Michael had established certain moves, 1550 01:04:15.790 --> 01:04:20.030 so my first instruction to Michael Peters was spooky, 1551 01:04:20.230 --> 01:04:22.370 and the second one was: 1552 01:04:22.570 --> 01:04:24.640 "I don't want any Michael move." 1553 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.700 ♪ suspenseful orchestral music ♪ 1554 01:04:27.900 --> 01:04:30.120 ♪ "Thriller" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1555 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.750 ♪♪♪ 1556 01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:44.180 [Rich] And they go into this 1557 01:04:44.380 --> 01:04:45.530 popping routine, right? 1558 01:04:45.730 --> 01:04:48.610 This goes back to the whole thing of where Michael Jackson 1559 01:04:48.780 --> 01:04:51.640 crosses the technique and the street world, right? 1560 01:04:51.850 --> 01:04:54.130 ♪♪♪ 1561 01:04:54.330 --> 01:04:58.590 And he was so inspired by popping and waving and all that 1562 01:04:58.790 --> 01:05:01.550 so that he had to put them in the film. 1563 01:05:01.750 --> 01:05:03.640 How would a zombie dance? 1564 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:05.910 And then looking at it, and it was... 1565 01:05:06.110 --> 01:05:07.720 it just made a lot of sense to me 1566 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:11.440 that they weren't just locking or they just weren't popping 1567 01:05:11.640 --> 01:05:14.440 or they just weren't doing jazz dance. 1568 01:05:14.640 --> 01:05:18.550 The angles, the lines were all... 1569 01:05:18.750 --> 01:05:21.070 demented and crooked, and it... 1570 01:05:21.270 --> 01:05:23.740 I'd just never seen anything like that before. 1571 01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:26.550 ♪ 'Cause this is thriller ♪ 1572 01:05:26.750 --> 01:05:28.100 ♪ Thriller night... ♪ 1573 01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:30.216 [Deborah Nadoolman Landis] On those zombies, 1574 01:05:30.240 --> 01:05:31.946 those costumes were just made of rags. 1575 01:05:31.970 --> 01:05:36.880 We call it aging, distressing and dying. 1576 01:05:37.080 --> 01:05:39.280 Then, of course, Rick Baker's work 1577 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.700 was just masterful on everybody. 1578 01:05:42.900 --> 01:05:44.680 ♪ Thriller night ♪ 1579 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.240 ♪ 'Cause I can thrill you more ♪ 1580 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.990 ♪ Than any ghoul would ever dare try ♪ 1581 01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:00.590 This is a song about watching a movie. 1582 01:06:00.790 --> 01:06:02.900 Yo. A Blockbuster night. 1583 01:06:03.100 --> 01:06:04.620 [laughs] He made a whole movie. 1584 01:06:04.770 --> 01:06:05.950 He entertained us. 1585 01:06:06.150 --> 01:06:08.030 He gave us R and B, he gave us horror, 1586 01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:11.250 he gave us sci-fi, but he gave it all to us in music. 1587 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:12.770 He-he was just a-amazing. 1588 01:06:12.970 --> 01:06:14.966 [John Landis] After the video came out, 1589 01:06:14.990 --> 01:06:16.600 it tripled its sales. 1590 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:18.500 They sold six million of these. 1591 01:06:18.700 --> 01:06:20.650 This made MTV a powerhouse 1592 01:06:20.850 --> 01:06:24.180 and then created this whole rock video business. 1593 01:06:24.370 --> 01:06:25.570 It was extraordinary. 1594 01:06:25.770 --> 01:06:27.626 [Deborah Nadoolman Landis] And it's that moment when 1595 01:06:27.650 --> 01:06:29.660 the audience falls madly in love, 1596 01:06:29.860 --> 01:06:32.560 that the audience creates the icons. 1597 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.486 [Branca] He could write the songs. 1598 01:06:34.510 --> 01:06:35.670 He could produce them. 1599 01:06:35.870 --> 01:06:37.170 He could sing them. 1600 01:06:37.370 --> 01:06:38.716 He could perform like no other. 1601 01:06:38.740 --> 01:06:40.570 And he also was a fashion icon. 1602 01:06:40.770 --> 01:06:43.070 I've seen little tiny kids in red jackets. 1603 01:06:43.270 --> 01:06:45.470 I've seen old grandpas in red jackets. 1604 01:06:45.670 --> 01:06:47.090 I've seen girls in red jackets. 1605 01:06:47.290 --> 01:06:49.830 I've seen everybody wearing that jacket. 1606 01:06:50.030 --> 01:06:51.600 It was huge worldwide. 1607 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.400 They were buying the leather jackets that Michael... 1608 01:06:54.470 --> 01:06:55.866 They were buying everything. 1609 01:06:55.890 --> 01:06:58.290 They were buying Michael Jackson posters, calendars. 1610 01:06:58.490 --> 01:07:01.050 ♪ Looks so much like Michael from head to toe ♪ 1611 01:07:01.240 --> 01:07:03.726 ♪ Put the mic in his hand and he'll steal the show ♪ 1612 01:07:03.750 --> 01:07:05.550 [all] I love you, Michael Jackson. 1613 01:07:05.650 --> 01:07:07.250 [crowd chanting] Michael Jackson! 1614 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.480 [woman] Anything with Michael Jackson on it 1615 01:07:09.590 --> 01:07:10.740 does continue to sell. 1616 01:07:10.940 --> 01:07:12.716 [man] I work in a record store, and it still 1617 01:07:12.740 --> 01:07:14.716 just flies out of the store every week. 1618 01:07:14.740 --> 01:07:16.100 And we're talking about a record 1619 01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:18.650 that's a year and a half, almost two years old, 1620 01:07:18.850 --> 01:07:20.850 and people are still freaking out about it. 1621 01:07:20.970 --> 01:07:22.726 [reporter] There have always been fan clubs, 1622 01:07:22.750 --> 01:07:24.346 Michael's fans more passionate than most. 1623 01:07:24.370 --> 01:07:27.450 This club calls itself the P.Y.T.'s. 1624 01:07:27.650 --> 01:07:30.530 We love you! We love you, Michael! 1625 01:07:30.730 --> 01:07:32.690 And if nothing else, "Thriller" was always 1626 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:34.680 gonna be played in the month of October. 1627 01:07:34.780 --> 01:07:37.260 Like, there's this big thing in Mexico that happens 1628 01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.580 where, I'll tell you, the-the... every... people fly in for it. 1629 01:07:40.780 --> 01:07:43.550 They're all in their costumes, and they do 1630 01:07:43.750 --> 01:07:45.990 the "Thriller" dance, thousands of people. 1631 01:07:46.190 --> 01:07:48.030 And people are still, you-you know, 1632 01:07:48.230 --> 01:07:49.890 dancing to this song like it's... 1633 01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:51.730 like it was just done, like the... 1634 01:07:51.860 --> 01:07:53.876 like the short film just came out yesterday. 1635 01:07:53.900 --> 01:07:56.480 "Thriller," a long time coming. 1636 01:07:56.680 --> 01:07:58.120 Michael Jackson's "Thriller." 1637 01:07:58.200 --> 01:08:00.400 [George] Probably the single biggest video 1638 01:08:00.600 --> 01:08:01.790 for MTV ever. 1639 01:08:01.990 --> 01:08:03.840 [Ivory] After their initial reluctance, 1640 01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:08.240 MTV became a huge supporter of Michael Jackson, 1641 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:11.550 especially the "Thriller" short film. 1642 01:08:11.750 --> 01:08:14.120 They heavily promoted the premiere. 1643 01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.930 At some point, it felt like the "M" in MTV 1644 01:08:18.130 --> 01:08:20.640 stood for "Michael." 1645 01:08:21.890 --> 01:08:24.860 And everybody was talking about how they were gonna cut school 1646 01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:26.960 to go home to watch the "Thriller" video 1647 01:08:27.160 --> 01:08:31.530 because it was a twelve o'clock world premiere on MTV. 1648 01:08:31.730 --> 01:08:33.930 And he was acting, he was eating popcorn, 1649 01:08:34.130 --> 01:08:35.770 and then he turned into a monster. 1650 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:38.176 There's something about music, I think, that has... 1651 01:08:38.200 --> 01:08:41.400 that triggers so many different emotions in people, 1652 01:08:41.590 --> 01:08:44.020 so you're tapping into all of that 1653 01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:47.050 to a larger and larger and larger audience, 1654 01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:50.210 and it just exponentially grew. 1655 01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.370 [George] So, the spring of '84, 1656 01:08:54.570 --> 01:08:55.890 the record's already out, 1657 01:08:56.030 --> 01:08:58.540 it's already selling because Michael's now gone 1658 01:08:58.740 --> 01:09:00.810 from being a pop star to a phenomenon. 1659 01:09:01.010 --> 01:09:03.176 The Guinness Book of World Records is giving him 1660 01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:05.346 an award as the biggest-selling album of all time. 1661 01:09:05.370 --> 01:09:06.996 It's a thriller of a party tonight 1662 01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:08.916 for Michael Jackson at the Museum of Natural History. 1663 01:09:08.940 --> 01:09:10.780 That's where Jackson's being honored 1664 01:09:10.980 --> 01:09:13.266 for his album that's broken all the records. 1665 01:09:13.290 --> 01:09:15.316 [reporter 2] This was the payoff for the fans tonight, 1666 01:09:15.340 --> 01:09:18.180 that momentary glimpse of superstar Michael Jackson 1667 01:09:18.380 --> 01:09:20.890 with his date for the evening, Brooke Shields. 1668 01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:23.880 [Yetnikoff] Thriller, with 25 million copies sold, 1669 01:09:24.080 --> 01:09:25.870 was the best-selling album ever. 1670 01:09:26.370 --> 01:09:30.670 Today, we surpassed 25 million copies for Thriller. 1671 01:09:30.870 --> 01:09:34.950 Michael Jackson, the number one artist in the world! 1672 01:09:35.150 --> 01:09:37.186 - [crowd cheering] - Thriller eclipsed them all. 1673 01:09:37.210 --> 01:09:39.310 At one point, the damn thing was selling 1674 01:09:39.510 --> 01:09:40.586 a million copies a week. 1675 01:09:40.610 --> 01:09:43.770 [George] Michael had become a global obsession. 1676 01:09:43.970 --> 01:09:46.420 And just think, you all came to see me. 1677 01:09:46.620 --> 01:09:47.840 [sparse laughter] 1678 01:09:48.040 --> 01:09:51.780 No, I know why you're here, and with good reason. 1679 01:09:51.980 --> 01:09:54.050 To see one of the most talented, most popular 1680 01:09:54.250 --> 01:09:57.780 and most exciting superstars in the music world today, 1681 01:09:57.980 --> 01:09:59.870 Michael Jackson. 1682 01:10:00.070 --> 01:10:01.990 Michael, welcome to the White House. 1683 01:10:02.110 --> 01:10:03.870 [John Landis] But being with Michael 1684 01:10:03.910 --> 01:10:05.060 at that moment in time, 1685 01:10:05.260 --> 01:10:09.230 this is... "Thriller" is now out on television. 1686 01:10:09.430 --> 01:10:12.530 And there was Michael mania, you know. 1687 01:10:12.730 --> 01:10:14.076 He called me, and he said, 1688 01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:15.646 "Have you ever been to Disney World?" 1689 01:10:15.670 --> 01:10:18.456 So the park was open, and there were people walking around. 1690 01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:21.000 Here's Michael, here's Mickey and me. 1691 01:10:21.190 --> 01:10:25.520 Suddenly, we look around, 1692 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.340 and there are people 1693 01:10:28.540 --> 01:10:33.170 as far as you can see in every direction... 1694 01:10:33.370 --> 01:10:36.840 behind us, in front of us, around us... 1695 01:10:37.040 --> 01:10:39.990 and they're getting more and more hysterical. 1696 01:10:40.190 --> 01:10:42.080 "Michael! Michael!" 1697 01:10:42.280 --> 01:10:46.580 And you see Mickey Mouse is going like... 1698 01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:47.780 "Holy shit! 1699 01:10:47.930 --> 01:10:50.670 We're never getting out of this alive!" You know? 1700 01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:54.746 [Branca] You know, Thriller was 1701 01:10:54.770 --> 01:10:57.286 the biggest album in the world, Michael was the biggest star, 1702 01:10:57.310 --> 01:11:00.220 and he wanted to go out and tour Thriller. 1703 01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:03.640 But Joseph... you know, uh, Mr. Jackson... 1704 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.850 had other ideas. 1705 01:11:06.470 --> 01:11:09.590 He wanted to bring all the family back together. 1706 01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:10.900 He brought in Don King 1707 01:11:11.100 --> 01:11:12.656 as the recommended promoter of the tour. 1708 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.840 And he got the brothers and Mrs. Jackson, Katherine. 1709 01:11:16.040 --> 01:11:18.570 Everybody was all for it. 1710 01:11:19.190 --> 01:11:22.080 Michael was hesitant, to be honest. 1711 01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:24.790 He felt like he had done Thriller on his own, 1712 01:11:24.990 --> 01:11:28.040 and he wanted to tour as a solo artist. 1713 01:11:28.240 --> 01:11:31.160 But he was persuaded to go along with it. 1714 01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.720 [Ivory] This tour is a bonanza of marketing, 1715 01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:39.050 so everybody wants to get in on this. 1716 01:11:39.250 --> 01:11:42.890 And Quaker Oats, you know, they had made a deal. 1717 01:11:43.090 --> 01:11:45.390 They had a tentative deal with the Jacksons 1718 01:11:45.590 --> 01:11:47.790 to be the sponsors of this thing. 1719 01:11:47.990 --> 01:11:52.000 And then Don King says, "Listen, I've already made a deal. 1720 01:11:52.200 --> 01:11:53.420 I made it with Pepsi." 1721 01:11:53.620 --> 01:11:56.940 ♪ "Billie Jean" (Pepsi Version) by Michael Jackson ♪ 1722 01:11:57.140 --> 01:12:00.190 ♪♪♪ 1723 01:12:03.320 --> 01:12:05.480 [Branca] Michael was not into the sponsorship 1724 01:12:05.530 --> 01:12:07.426 'cause he-he said, "This isn't my thing. 1725 01:12:07.450 --> 01:12:11.270 I don't drink Pepsi. This is all for my family." 1726 01:12:11.470 --> 01:12:13.590 And Michael did not want to do the Pepsi deal. 1727 01:12:13.700 --> 01:12:16.010 ♪ You're a whole new generation ♪ 1728 01:12:16.210 --> 01:12:17.780 ♪ You're loving what they do ♪ 1729 01:12:17.980 --> 01:12:20.010 ♪ Put a Pepsi into motion ♪ 1730 01:12:20.210 --> 01:12:22.356 ♪ And that choice is up to you, hey, hey, hey ♪ 1731 01:12:22.380 --> 01:12:24.370 ♪ You're the Pepsi Generation... ♪ 1732 01:12:24.570 --> 01:12:27.570 [Branca] 'Cause he said to me, "Okay, Branca, listen to me. 1733 01:12:27.700 --> 01:12:29.940 I got to do this 'cause my family wants it, 1734 01:12:30.140 --> 01:12:32.096 but you have to write two things in the contract. 1735 01:12:32.120 --> 01:12:34.750 Number one: I'm never holding a Pepsi can. 1736 01:12:34.950 --> 01:12:36.270 And number two: I can't be 1737 01:12:36.310 --> 01:12:38.476 on the screen for more than three seconds." 1738 01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:40.150 So it's in the Pepsi contract, 1739 01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:43.300 no more than three seconds and never holding a Pepsi can. 1740 01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:45.510 So if you ever watch that commercial again, 1741 01:12:45.710 --> 01:12:46.710 you'll-you'll see. 1742 01:12:46.900 --> 01:12:48.336 [Ivory] It's interesting because 1743 01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:51.960 if Don King had not made the deal with Pepsi, 1744 01:12:52.160 --> 01:12:53.946 Michael's hair wouldn't have gotten burned. 1745 01:12:53.970 --> 01:12:56.610 I was actually at the Pepsi commercial, 1746 01:12:56.810 --> 01:12:59.360 and I had an all-access pass. 1747 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.470 When I arrived at the Shrine Auditorium Downtown, 1748 01:13:02.670 --> 01:13:04.830 Michael and the Jacksons were onstage 1749 01:13:05.020 --> 01:13:07.580 performing "Billie Jean." 1750 01:13:07.780 --> 01:13:09.000 [cheering] 1751 01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:10.466 The audience had been invited, 1752 01:13:10.490 --> 01:13:12.520 you know, and they were told to scream 1753 01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:13.520 and the whole thing. 1754 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:15.786 They didn't have to be instructed to do that. 1755 01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:17.190 They were crazy about, you know, 1756 01:13:17.390 --> 01:13:19.550 seeing the Jacksons and Michael there and... 1757 01:13:19.750 --> 01:13:24.620 They did a run-through, and after they came offstage, 1758 01:13:24.820 --> 01:13:26.510 Michael was just in a great mood 1759 01:13:26.710 --> 01:13:29.470 and he was having fun, fooling around. 1760 01:13:29.670 --> 01:13:31.446 And then they called them back out 1761 01:13:31.470 --> 01:13:33.830 and said, "We're gonna do this again." 1762 01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:36.500 And it went horribly wrong. 1763 01:13:36.700 --> 01:13:39.900 Filming the Pepsi commercial, there was a big explosion. 1764 01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:44.300 ♪ You're the Pepsi Generation ♪ 1765 01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:45.820 ♪ Guzzle down... ♪ 1766 01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:47.980 [Branca] And it burned Michael's scalp 1767 01:13:48.070 --> 01:13:49.700 very severely. 1768 01:13:49.900 --> 01:13:52.560 [Ivory] The audience didn't know what was going on. 1769 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:54.750 And when they took Michael offstage, 1770 01:13:54.950 --> 01:13:56.190 I went backstage, 1771 01:13:56.390 --> 01:13:59.250 and it was just absolute chaos. 1772 01:13:59.450 --> 01:14:01.970 They put him in a stretcher... 1773 01:14:02.170 --> 01:14:03.876 you know, an ambulance stretcher... 1774 01:14:03.900 --> 01:14:08.950 and they took him offstage to a paramedic truck. 1775 01:14:09.150 --> 01:14:13.560 And Michael Jackson was smart enough... 1776 01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.360 - [camera snaps] - to be covered up, 1777 01:14:16.550 --> 01:14:18.520 but he had his glove out. 1778 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:22.070 That was the photograph that went around the world 1779 01:14:22.270 --> 01:14:25.530 of him with the glitter glove. 1780 01:14:25.730 --> 01:14:29.080 People were crying, you know, in the audience. 1781 01:14:29.280 --> 01:14:31.216 And people were running with the ambulance 1782 01:14:31.240 --> 01:14:32.730 as it was taking him away. 1783 01:14:32.930 --> 01:14:35.170 It was just an incredible thing. 1784 01:14:35.370 --> 01:14:37.406 When I got home, it was all over the news. 1785 01:14:37.430 --> 01:14:39.496 [reporter] Jackson was rushed to a hospital last night 1786 01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:41.576 after suffering second- and third-degree burns. 1787 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:43.200 [reporter 2] But his doctor said 1788 01:14:43.250 --> 01:14:44.686 the famous patient was doing well. 1789 01:14:44.710 --> 01:14:46.530 He slept several hours last night. 1790 01:14:46.730 --> 01:14:49.530 He was up watching TV at approximately one o'clock. 1791 01:14:49.730 --> 01:14:52.086 He's comfortable this morning, although he is continuing 1792 01:14:52.110 --> 01:14:53.870 to have discomfort in the scalp area. 1793 01:14:54.030 --> 01:14:55.510 [Branca] People don't realize 1794 01:14:55.550 --> 01:14:58.610 he had to go to emergency treatment in a burn center, 1795 01:14:58.810 --> 01:15:01.110 and he was troubled by the pain from that burn 1796 01:15:01.310 --> 01:15:02.630 for the rest of his life, 1797 01:15:02.750 --> 01:15:07.380 which led to pain pills and whatnot to-to ease the pain. 1798 01:15:08.210 --> 01:15:10.260 [Ivory] Because he needed painkillers, 1799 01:15:10.460 --> 01:15:13.370 he was in pain, life couldn't stop. 1800 01:15:13.570 --> 01:15:16.580 He had a book full of things that he had to do. 1801 01:15:16.780 --> 01:15:20.270 You know, a schedule that just could not stop. 1802 01:15:20.470 --> 01:15:21.596 The opening of the Victory Tour 1803 01:15:21.620 --> 01:15:23.156 in Kansas City was a massive event. 1804 01:15:23.180 --> 01:15:25.780 [dramatic, atmospheric music playing] 1805 01:15:25.980 --> 01:15:28.570 ♪♪♪ 1806 01:15:28.770 --> 01:15:31.740 [crowd cheering] 1807 01:15:33.910 --> 01:15:35.230 It's at Arrowhead Stadium. 1808 01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:37.410 It's a giant football stadium. 1809 01:15:38.290 --> 01:15:40.790 [raucous cheering] 1810 01:15:48.460 --> 01:15:50.460 - I love you, Michael. - I love you, Michael. 1811 01:15:50.500 --> 01:15:51.500 I love you so much. 1812 01:15:51.670 --> 01:15:54.330 This is gonna be the best concert of the century. 1813 01:15:54.530 --> 01:15:55.906 - Don't you think? - Definitely. 1814 01:15:55.930 --> 01:15:58.250 I have to ask Michael Jackson to marry me today. 1815 01:15:58.450 --> 01:16:00.970 We would do about anything to see Michael Jackson. 1816 01:16:01.160 --> 01:16:04.280 [dramatic music continues] 1817 01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:06.190 ♪♪♪ 1818 01:16:06.390 --> 01:16:08.780 [cheering continues] 1819 01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:18.716 [reporter] You're looking at a sneak preview 1820 01:16:18.740 --> 01:16:20.740 of what is perhaps the most controversial 1821 01:16:20.850 --> 01:16:25.130 rock concert tour in history, the Jacksons' Victory Tour, 1822 01:16:25.330 --> 01:16:27.300 opening tonight in Kansas City. 1823 01:16:27.500 --> 01:16:30.970 [Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" playing] 1824 01:16:31.170 --> 01:16:33.510 ♪♪♪ 1825 01:16:57.370 --> 01:16:59.430 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 1826 01:16:59.630 --> 01:17:01.750 ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 1827 01:17:01.950 --> 01:17:03.776 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 1828 01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:05.576 ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 1829 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:07.406 - ♪ Too high to get over ♪ - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 1830 01:17:07.430 --> 01:17:08.710 ♪ Too low to get under ♪ 1831 01:17:08.910 --> 01:17:10.786 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪ 1832 01:17:10.810 --> 01:17:12.786 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪ 1833 01:17:12.810 --> 01:17:15.030 - ♪ Too high to get over ♪ - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 1834 01:17:15.230 --> 01:17:16.510 ♪ Too low to get under ♪ 1835 01:17:16.710 --> 01:17:18.586 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪ 1836 01:17:18.610 --> 01:17:20.756 - ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ - ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪ 1837 01:17:20.780 --> 01:17:22.140 ♪ I took my baby to the doctor ♪ 1838 01:17:22.340 --> 01:17:24.360 ♪ With a fever, but nothin' he found ♪ 1839 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.320 ♪ By the time this hit the street ♪ 1840 01:17:26.490 --> 01:17:28.170 ♪ They said she had a breakdown ♪ 1841 01:17:28.330 --> 01:17:30.090 ♪ Someone's always tryin' ♪ 1842 01:17:30.290 --> 01:17:31.770 ♪ To start my baby cryin' ♪ 1843 01:17:31.850 --> 01:17:33.530 ♪ Talkin', squealin', lyin' ♪ 1844 01:17:33.730 --> 01:17:35.746 ♪ Sayin' you just want to be startin' somethin' ♪ 1845 01:17:35.770 --> 01:17:37.810 ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 1846 01:17:38.010 --> 01:17:39.810 ♪ You got to be startin' somethin' ♪ 1847 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.696 [fading] ♪ I said you wanna be startin' somethin' ♪ 1848 01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.440 ♪ tense synthesizer tones fading into drumbeat ♪ 1849 01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.420 ♪ "P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1850 01:17:47.620 --> 01:17:49.420 ♪ Where did you come from, lady? ♪ 1851 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.646 [reporter] The Victory Tour sold out in Kansas City. 1852 01:17:51.670 --> 01:17:54.280 Then it was on to Dallas, Jacksonville, 1853 01:17:54.480 --> 01:17:57.280 New Jersey, New York and Knoxville. 1854 01:17:57.480 --> 01:17:59.640 It's currently scheduled in some 13 cities 1855 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.560 with more sites yet to be announced. 1856 01:18:01.700 --> 01:18:03.500 Preparations are well underway tonight 1857 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:05.480 for the Jacksons' Victory Tour concert. 1858 01:18:05.530 --> 01:18:07.536 [reporter 2] The Jacksons' massive stage was beginning 1859 01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:09.360 to take shape as early as Thursday. 1860 01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:11.096 [reporter 1] There's not too many places 1861 01:18:11.120 --> 01:18:12.976 that you can stick a monstrous stage like this. 1862 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.320 Most of the performances, more than 50 in all, 1863 01:18:15.400 --> 01:18:18.450 will be in stadiums like the Silverdome. 1864 01:18:18.650 --> 01:18:19.910 ♪ Pretty young thing ♪ 1865 01:18:20.110 --> 01:18:22.620 - ♪ You need some loving ♪ - ♪ TLC ♪ 1866 01:18:22.820 --> 01:18:24.370 ♪ Tender lovin' care ♪ 1867 01:18:24.570 --> 01:18:27.670 ♪ And I'll take you there, girl ♪ 1868 01:18:27.870 --> 01:18:30.480 ♪ Ooh-ooh, I want to love you... ♪ 1869 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.496 [George] The shows of the Victory Tour 1870 01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:34.126 were much more mainstream America, 1871 01:18:34.150 --> 01:18:37.850 and that was a testament to how big Michael had become 1872 01:18:38.050 --> 01:18:41.080 and to the penetration of the album. 1873 01:18:41.280 --> 01:18:42.280 ♪ Ow! ♪ 1874 01:18:42.470 --> 01:18:44.560 [Michael Jackson's "Beat It" playing] 1875 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:46.346 [George] The irony of Thriller is that 1876 01:18:46.370 --> 01:18:47.716 there was never a tour solely dedicated 1877 01:18:47.740 --> 01:18:49.630 to the biggest LP of all time. 1878 01:18:49.830 --> 01:18:51.280 The Victory Tour was a mix 1879 01:18:51.480 --> 01:18:54.550 of vintage Jackson family music and hits from Thriller. 1880 01:18:54.750 --> 01:18:56.436 But it was the Thriller material 1881 01:18:56.460 --> 01:18:58.780 that turned the crowd out every night. 1882 01:18:58.980 --> 01:19:00.620 [crowd cheering] 1883 01:19:00.820 --> 01:19:02.756 [Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" playing] 1884 01:19:02.780 --> 01:19:04.870 ♪ Hee! Hoo! ♪ 1885 01:19:05.070 --> 01:19:08.250 ♪♪♪ 1886 01:19:14.170 --> 01:19:16.430 ♪ She says I am the one ♪ 1887 01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:19.470 ♪ But the kid is not my son ♪ 1888 01:19:19.670 --> 01:19:22.840 ♪ No, no, no ♪ 1889 01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:26.440 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1890 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:31.110 ♪ She's just a girl who claims that I am the one ♪ 1891 01:19:31.310 --> 01:19:34.810 ♪ But the kid is not my son ♪ 1892 01:19:36.190 --> 01:19:38.200 ♪ She says I am the one ♪ 1893 01:19:38.400 --> 01:19:40.780 ♪♪♪ 1894 01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:52.040 ♪ Whoo! ♪ 1895 01:19:52.240 --> 01:19:54.110 ♪ You know you ain't ♪ 1896 01:19:54.310 --> 01:19:55.740 ♪ Not my lover ♪ 1897 01:19:55.940 --> 01:19:59.320 - ♪ You know you can't ♪ - ♪ Not my lover ♪ 1898 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.240 ♪ Because you are ♪ 1899 01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:02.800 ♪ Not my lover ♪ 1900 01:20:03.010 --> 01:20:05.080 ♪ 'Cause you're a silly girl ♪ 1901 01:20:05.280 --> 01:20:06.750 ♪ Not my lover ♪ 1902 01:20:06.950 --> 01:20:10.310 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1903 01:20:10.510 --> 01:20:13.750 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1904 01:20:13.950 --> 01:20:17.280 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1905 01:20:17.480 --> 01:20:21.050 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1906 01:20:21.250 --> 01:20:24.990 [steady drumbeat playing] 1907 01:20:25.190 --> 01:20:28.160 [crowd cheering] 1908 01:20:37.420 --> 01:20:40.710 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1909 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.390 ♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪ 1910 01:20:45.590 --> 01:20:48.520 Michael has been nominated for 12... 1911 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.420 - 12 1983 Grammy Awards. - [applause] 1912 01:20:52.620 --> 01:20:54.210 The highest number in history. 1913 01:20:54.410 --> 01:20:57.650 ♪ "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" by Michael Jackson ♪ 1914 01:20:57.850 --> 01:21:01.050 [Shields] So we went to the 1984 Grammys 1915 01:21:01.250 --> 01:21:03.950 at the Shrine Auditorium. 1916 01:21:04.150 --> 01:21:06.216 I didn't get the feeling he was nervous. 1917 01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:07.640 I actually got the feeling that 1918 01:21:07.690 --> 01:21:09.410 he was excited. 1919 01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:13.690 And I don't think I had any idea 1920 01:21:13.890 --> 01:21:15.380 even the magnitude of it. 1921 01:21:15.580 --> 01:21:17.800 ♪ Keep on with the force, don't stop ♪ 1922 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.320 ♪ Don't stop till you get enough, keep on... ♪ 1923 01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:22.480 [George] Michael Jackson was nominated 1924 01:21:22.580 --> 01:21:24.010 for 12 Grammys overall, 1925 01:21:24.210 --> 01:21:27.760 including Album of the Year and Record of the Year. 1926 01:21:27.970 --> 01:21:31.260 ♪ And I feel on fire ♪ 1927 01:21:32.310 --> 01:21:35.060 ♪ Ain't nothin'... ♪ 1928 01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:37.656 [Melissa Manchester] The Record of the Year is... 1929 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:38.956 "Beat It," Michael Jackson. 1930 01:21:38.980 --> 01:21:40.686 [Mike Love] For Album of the Year... 1931 01:21:40.710 --> 01:21:42.146 [Brian Wilson] The winner is... 1932 01:21:42.170 --> 01:21:44.110 - [laughing, exclaiming] - Thriller! 1933 01:21:44.310 --> 01:21:46.780 [cheering and applause] 1934 01:21:48.360 --> 01:21:50.330 ♪ Sensation ♪ 1935 01:21:50.530 --> 01:21:51.890 ♪ Oh, sensation ♪ 1936 01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:53.570 ♪ Lovely where we're at... ♪ 1937 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:57.540 Best Pop Vocal Performance, Male: Michael Jackson. 1938 01:21:57.740 --> 01:22:00.690 [cheering and applause] 1939 01:22:00.890 --> 01:22:02.646 I made a deal with myself, if I win more... 1940 01:22:02.670 --> 01:22:04.490 one more award, which is this award, 1941 01:22:04.690 --> 01:22:06.470 which is seven, which is a record, 1942 01:22:06.670 --> 01:22:08.950 I would take off my glasses. 1943 01:22:09.150 --> 01:22:10.680 [cheering] 1944 01:22:11.220 --> 01:22:14.060 ♪ Ooh, keep on with the force, don't stop ♪ 1945 01:22:14.260 --> 01:22:16.480 ♪ Don't stop till you get enough ♪ 1946 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.900 ♪ Keep on with the force, don't stop ♪ 1947 01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:20.806 ♪ Don't stop till you get enough ♪ 1948 01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:22.896 ♪ Keep on with the force, don't stop... ♪ 1949 01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:24.320 [Shields] He deserved it. 1950 01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:26.950 You know, it was... it was due. 1951 01:22:27.150 --> 01:22:29.410 ♪ Don't stop till you get enough ♪ 1952 01:22:29.610 --> 01:22:32.370 ♪♪♪ 1953 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:37.630 [Yetnikoff] In February 1984, 1954 01:22:37.830 --> 01:22:41.330 between Michael and Quincy, Thriller won a dozen Grammys. 1955 01:22:45.050 --> 01:22:46.916 [Michael] Well, as we know, Thriller is 1956 01:22:46.940 --> 01:22:49.030 a huge, huge success... the album... 1957 01:22:49.230 --> 01:22:50.970 but, uh... 1958 01:22:51.170 --> 01:22:52.906 the joy of doing something phenomenal 1959 01:22:52.930 --> 01:22:55.520 'cause everybody waiting to see the next big, 1960 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.440 you know, Michael Jackson short. 1961 01:22:57.640 --> 01:22:59.766 And I thought "Thriller" was the perfect vehicle. 1962 01:22:59.790 --> 01:23:01.076 - We're gonna come out. - No. 1963 01:23:01.100 --> 01:23:02.916 - No one's gonna like it. - No, no, no, no, no. 1964 01:23:02.940 --> 01:23:04.530 But 40 years from now, Michael... 1965 01:23:04.730 --> 01:23:05.730 My part will be. 1966 01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:07.780 [laughing] I don't know about you. 1967 01:23:07.980 --> 01:23:09.410 All right, and stop. 1968 01:23:09.610 --> 01:23:11.200 - [crew member] Cut. - [beep] 1969 01:23:11.400 --> 01:23:13.180 Who's your biggest inspiration? 1970 01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:15.210 Who inspired you the most? 1971 01:23:15.410 --> 01:23:16.410 Michael Jackson. 1972 01:23:16.550 --> 01:23:18.480 [Ronson] Michael saw that he could 1973 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.306 touch greatness with Off the Wall, 1974 01:23:20.330 --> 01:23:23.110 knew he was still going against racist radio 1975 01:23:23.310 --> 01:23:25.990 and people that wanted to put him in a box. 1976 01:23:26.190 --> 01:23:29.800 But you have to be so in the rarefied air, 1977 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:34.790 .0001%, to even be able to, like, project yourself to that. 1978 01:23:34.990 --> 01:23:37.690 That idea that I can take 1979 01:23:37.890 --> 01:23:40.590 dance music and visuals 1980 01:23:40.780 --> 01:23:42.340 and turn the world on its ear, 1981 01:23:42.540 --> 01:23:46.670 that idea that he crystallized in "Thriller"... not going away, 1982 01:23:46.870 --> 01:23:49.360 and I don't think it's ever gonna go away. 1983 01:23:49.860 --> 01:23:51.220 [Usher] So, whether it was 1984 01:23:51.360 --> 01:23:53.850 "Human Nature" and his amazing voice, 1985 01:23:54.050 --> 01:23:55.850 you know, "Beat It" and looking at 1986 01:23:56.050 --> 01:23:58.460 the references that were there, because every time 1987 01:23:58.660 --> 01:24:01.460 you saw a video, you got a new idea of, like, 1988 01:24:01.660 --> 01:24:03.746 who he was as an artist and what he was selling. 1989 01:24:03.770 --> 01:24:06.880 Right? There was his hair and his clothing, his wardrobe. 1990 01:24:07.080 --> 01:24:09.740 All of those things were informing the culture. 1991 01:24:09.940 --> 01:24:12.330 He was establishing the standard. 1992 01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:13.790 Thriller. 1993 01:24:13.980 --> 01:24:18.310 Man, there has never been anything like that. 1994 01:24:18.510 --> 01:24:20.540 Michael Jackson's Thriller. 1995 01:24:20.740 --> 01:24:22.540 ♪ Suspenseful orchestral music ♪ 1996 01:24:22.740 --> 01:24:24.360 [screams] 1997 01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:26.440 What's the problem? 1998 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.110 Come on, I'll take you home. 1999 01:24:34.950 --> 01:24:37.450 [evil laughter] 2000 01:24:41.660 --> 01:24:44.330 ♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪ 2001 01:24:56.510 --> 01:24:59.710 ♪ They told him, "Don't you ever come around here ♪ 2002 01:24:59.910 --> 01:25:02.900 ♪ Don't wanna see your face, you better disappear" ♪ 2003 01:25:03.100 --> 01:25:06.420 ♪ The fire's in their eyes and their words are really clear ♪ 2004 01:25:06.620 --> 01:25:10.280 ♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪ 2005 01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:13.280 ♪ You better run, you better do what you can ♪ 2006 01:25:13.480 --> 01:25:16.870 ♪ Don't wanna see no blood, don't be a macho man ♪ 2007 01:25:17.070 --> 01:25:20.460 ♪ You wanna be tough, better do what you can ♪ 2008 01:25:20.660 --> 01:25:22.020 ♪ So beat it ♪ 2009 01:25:22.220 --> 01:25:23.810 ♪ But you wanna be bad ♪ 2010 01:25:24.010 --> 01:25:27.570 - ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2011 01:25:27.770 --> 01:25:30.420 ♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪ 2012 01:25:30.620 --> 01:25:33.930 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 2013 01:25:34.130 --> 01:25:37.370 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 2014 01:25:37.570 --> 01:25:40.910 - ♪ Just beat it, just beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2015 01:25:41.110 --> 01:25:42.330 ♪ Just beat it ♪ 2016 01:25:42.530 --> 01:25:44.860 - ♪ Beat it, beat it, uh! ♪ - ♪ Just beat it ♪ 2017 01:25:45.060 --> 01:25:48.050 ♪ They're out to get you, better leave while you can ♪ 2018 01:25:48.250 --> 01:25:51.720 ♪ Don't wanna be a boy, you wanna be a man ♪ 2019 01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:54.680 ♪ You wanna stay alive, better do what you can ♪ 2020 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:58.410 ♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪ 2021 01:25:58.610 --> 01:26:01.870 ♪ You have to show them that you're really not scared ♪ 2022 01:26:02.070 --> 01:26:04.920 ♪ You're playin' with your life, this ain't no truth or dare ♪ 2023 01:26:05.120 --> 01:26:07.096 ♪ They'll kick you, then they'll beat you ♪ 2024 01:26:07.120 --> 01:26:10.570 ♪ Then they'll tell you it's fair, so beat it ♪ 2025 01:26:10.770 --> 01:26:12.240 ♪ But you wanna be bad ♪ 2026 01:26:12.440 --> 01:26:15.950 - ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2027 01:26:16.150 --> 01:26:18.970 ♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪ 2028 01:26:19.170 --> 01:26:22.270 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 2029 01:26:22.470 --> 01:26:25.250 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 2030 01:26:25.450 --> 01:26:29.800 - ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2031 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.860 ♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪ 2032 01:26:33.060 --> 01:26:36.280 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 2033 01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:39.430 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 2034 01:26:39.630 --> 01:26:42.540 ♪ Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it ♪ 2035 01:26:42.740 --> 01:26:45.120 ♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪ 2036 01:26:49.670 --> 01:26:52.130 ♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪ 2037 01:26:52.710 --> 01:26:54.800 ♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪ 2038 01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.380 ♪♪♪ 2039 01:26:59.300 --> 01:27:02.090 ♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪ 2040 01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:05.640 [rhythmic thumping] 2041 01:27:07.270 --> 01:27:09.770 [electric guitar solo playing] 2042 01:27:26.950 --> 01:27:29.410 ♪♪♪ 2043 01:27:35.380 --> 01:27:38.990 - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2044 01:27:39.190 --> 01:27:41.930 ♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪ 2045 01:27:42.130 --> 01:27:45.350 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 2046 01:27:45.550 --> 01:27:48.500 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 2047 01:27:48.700 --> 01:27:52.190 - ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2048 01:27:52.390 --> 01:27:55.530 ♪ No one wants to be defeated, oh, Lord ♪ 2049 01:27:55.730 --> 01:27:59.200 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 2050 01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:02.510 ♪ It doesn't matter who's wrong or right ♪ 2051 01:28:02.710 --> 01:28:06.270 - ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪ - ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪ 2052 01:28:06.470 --> 01:28:09.250 ♪ No one wants to be defeated, oh, no ♪ 2053 01:28:09.450 --> 01:28:13.340 ♪ Showin' how funky and strong is your fight ♪ 2054 01:28:13.540 --> 01:28:15.840 [fading] ♪ It doesn't matter ♪ 2055 01:28:16.040 --> 01:28:18.460 [crowd cheering] 2056 01:28:19.510 --> 01:28:21.720 [soft jingling] 2057 01:28:28.010 --> 01:28:30.310 [Michael chuckles] 2058 01:28:30.510 --> 01:28:32.560 [Michael whoops]151250

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