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♪ Dramatic, atmospheric music ♪
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♪♪♪
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[crowd cheering]
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♪ "Billie Jean" by
Michael Jackson ♪
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♪♪♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
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[Steven Ivory] There are two
things in the music business:
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before Thriller
and after Thriller.
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[crowd cheering]
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♪♪♪
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♪ But you wanna be bad ♪
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- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
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♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
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♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
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♪ It doesn't matter... ♪
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[crew member] Mark.
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[Mary J. Blige] The
first time I heard
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Michael Jackson's
Thriller, he was pop,
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he was R and B, he was
gospel, he was rock.
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It was everything that I loved.
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[Usher] And bring all of
these elements together...
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dance and choreography
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and theatrical moments
and the feeling,
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you know, like a
musical, damn near.
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The magic of it... each track
was better than the next.
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It was in your brain,
and everybody knew it.
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[reporter] For the
14th consecutive week,
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the best-selling
album in the country
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is Michael Jackson's Thriller.
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If Thriller came out today,
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it would still be the
greatest album ever made.
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It's the ultimate blueprint
to modern pop music.
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[Raphael Saadiq] I love the way
that record is sequenced, right?
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"Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin'." The title says it.
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He wanted to be starting some
shit right now. He wanted...
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He's like, "I'm about
to start some shit
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in the industry right now. I'm
about to blow everybody up."
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[Maxwell] This was literally
the pinnacle of everything
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that began with him.
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"Thriller," "Beat It"
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and "Billie Jean."
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To this day, when
"Thriller" comes on, I mean,
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there's not a Halloween
that doesn't happen
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where you don't hear that song.
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But then you have "Human
Nature," "P.Y.T.,"
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and then you have
"Lady in My Life."
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[announcer] It became the
biggest-selling album ever.
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Michael Jackson. Always
keep one in the cab.
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[Misty Copeland]
This is history.
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I want to say it's
Black culture,
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but it's-it's for everyone.
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[Nelson George] Thriller
is the biggest-selling
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album of all time.
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Thriller is a
cultural phenomenon
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that's lasted four decades
and seems determined
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to continue going forward.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Robert Hilburn] What
takes your breath away is
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he had the ambition to become
the biggest star in the world.
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And he did it. The
fact that he had
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that dream, I mean,
that-that goal,
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that's what's the
remarkable story.
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♪ Soft, curious music ♪
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[Michael Jackson] Ever
since we were kids,
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we've always wanted to dance
or keep the time to the music.
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And that's part of us.
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It's like, uh, something
we have to have.
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And it's in us,
because I don't know
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what I would do if there
was, uh... wasn't music.
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[reporter] Joe Jackson's role
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in his children's careers would
give people a lot to talk about.
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The former steelworker had
somehow gotten his family
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out of Indiana,
groomed for stardom.
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♪ "I Want You Back"
by The Jackson 5 ♪
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♪♪♪
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[The Jackson 5's "I Want
You Back" continues]
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♪♪♪
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[Ed Sullivan] Now,
here are five brothers
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from Gary, Indiana, ranging
in age from ten to 18:
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The Jackson 5.
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♪ Oh, baby, give me
one more chance ♪
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♪ To show you that I love you ♪
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♪ Won't you please let me ♪
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♪ Back in your heart ♪
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♪ Oh, darlin', I was
blind to let you go ♪
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♪ Let you go, baby ♪
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♪ But now since I see you... ♪
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[Dick Clark] This poor
man's life has been
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dissected completely.
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Is there anything anybody
hasn't asked you by now?
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Um...
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♪ Enjoy yourself ♪
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♪ Enjoy yourself, enjoy
yourself with me ♪
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♪ Enjoy yourself,
enjoy yourself ♪
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♪ Enjoy yourself with me ♪
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♪ You better enjoy yourself... ♪
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[interviewer] Now, tell me,
what do you think is the success
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of the Jacksons, yourself
and the Jacksons?
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I would say probably,
um, togetherness.
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[Saadiq] I can't think about
Michael without thinking about
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The Jackson 5 and
Motown and all of that,
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so it takes me a
little further back.
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Takes me to Off the Wall,
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which is one of my
favorite records.
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[Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop
'Til You Get Enough" playing]
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[radio DJ] Welcome to WBLS
once again, Michael Jackson.
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[Michael] Thank you very much.
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[radio DJ] The name
of the album is...
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- [Michael] Off the Wall.
- [radio DJ] Are you?
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[both laughing]
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[radio DJ] We'll be back with
Michael right after this.
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♪ Lovely ♪
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♪ Is the feeling now ♪
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♪ Fever... ♪
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I was not the biggest
Jackson 5 fan.
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I was a serious
pop music critic.
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And I said, "Well, it's
cute what they're doing."
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- ♪ Baby, baby ♪
- ♪ Ow, ow... ♪
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[Hilburn] You
know, James Brown,
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Jackie Wilson,
that's really nice.
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You know, it wasn't what
I was interested in.
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And then Off the Wall comes out,
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and I was caught up
in the excitement
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of learning more about
Michael and his world,
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so I interview him separately.
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You interview the brothers
all together, him separately.
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You know, he's nervous.
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He doesn't like
to do interviews.
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He's sad, he's lonely, he says.
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He starts talking
about his life.
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♪ Soft, melancholy music ♪
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He was so hurt around
14 and 15 and 16,
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when his face changed.
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He got bigger.
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I mean, his face had broken out.
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He was so sad.
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People didn't care
about him anymore.
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You know, adults would come
into a party at some house,
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and they would be looking all
around. "Where's Michael?"
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And they'd be walking
right past him, you know?
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And he got the feeling that,
"We don't care about you.
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We want that little kid."
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[George] He was dead
set on his focus
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to be, you know, Michael
Jackson, solo artist.
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[Brooke Shields]
And he had to.
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He knew that it was
time. He knew that...
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He was excited to have it
all be on his own terms.
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You know, not with...
not attached to anybody.
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And he knew that-that...
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that he was even
gonna soar from that.
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Well, Off the Wall was
an enormous success.
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It-it put Michael on the
map as a solo artist.
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People forget that,
before Off the Wall,
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there was a period between
Motown and the Destiny album
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where people thought maybe
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the career of The
Jackson 5 was over,
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that they were yesterday's news,
forgotten boy band, really.
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So Off the Wall reestablished
Michael as someone to watch.
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Off the Wall was just
this incredible record,
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and we knew that
Mike was coming back
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with something special because
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he didn't win everything that
he wanted during the Grammys,
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and he only won one award,
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which was the R and
B award at that.
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He thought he was gonna sweep.
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He thought for sure, "I
got a pop smash here."
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So, when that didn't happen,
he left there with a vengeance,
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just determined to
do better next time.
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[John Branca] He
was determined
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to change the way
he was perceived.
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Uh, there were a lot of writings
he did to himself, affirmations.
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[Michael] I look
in the mirror,
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and I would say over
and over to myself...
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I'd take a deep breath,
put my feet together,
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raise myself erect,
strong like a...
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a hero warrior, and I'd say,
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"Biggest-selling album of
all time, greatest seller,"
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over and over to my mind,
and look in my eyes.
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And I'd mean it.
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I'd say, "Biggest-selling
album of all times."
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And I wouldn't accept anything
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unless this was
exactly what I wanted.
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My attitude was:
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I want the biggest-selling
album of all times,
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to break records, to
do phenomenal work.
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I came in angry.
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[Ivory] Michael was writing.
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He was writing. He was fuming.
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He was still upset about
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this idea that he
would be denied,
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you know, major awards
for Off the Wall.
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I just remember
all of the, uh...
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the process of when
they were doing it.
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And the, uh... the excitement
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while they're recording,
just, you know...
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just hearing tales, you
know, as they're coming
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in and out of the
studio with it.
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["Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin'" playing, muffled]
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♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
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[fading in] ♪ You got to
be startin' somethin' ♪
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♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
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♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
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- ♪ It's too high to get over ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
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♪ You're too low to get under ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
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♪ Yeah, yeah... ♪
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[Matt Forger] Westlake
was a really great studio
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because y-you felt the
facility had this warmth
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and this friendliness and this
casual put-you-at-ease feeling.
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There was just the
most incredible vibe.
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Where you could just be
creatively free to-to take...
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take the music
wherever you wanted.
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This is hallowed ground. I
was... I was in here a lot
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'cause Quincy made a
lot of records in here.
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Off the Wall was made in here.
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Certainly Thriller.
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Quincy worked in here a lot.
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Quincy influenced everything
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- we've ever done in our lives.
- Yes.
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- Whether you can hear it or not.
- Exactly.
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Depth of understanding of music.
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That's what makes Quincy Quincy.
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He's done big band.
He's done small bands.
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He's done pop. He's done rock.
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He's done everything.
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So, just understanding
all those different genres
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and-and how to fuse
them all together
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is what gives you all these
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wonderful applications that you
get on a Michael Jackson record.
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And that sound was ma...
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You know, Bruce Swedien
had a lot to do with
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how that overall
sound was... the echo
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and the reverbs and the...
the way he would place things.
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And they were excited.
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As we were making the record,
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you could feel the
excitement in the room.
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Knowing that we
were doing something
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that was gonna be special.
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[playing elegant melody]
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[Greg Phillinganes]
Wow, I don't even know
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where to begin.
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I just remember coming
here to this studio,
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which was like a second home,
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and coming in, listening to, uh,
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the demos that Rod
Temperton would provide.
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And we would just start
to carve musically
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and-and work our way into
the details of the demos.
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[Steve Lukather]
Rod Temperton.
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This guy was brilliant.
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I mean, he was deep.
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I love Rod Temperton. He
wrote incredible songs,
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and he was a part of Quincy's,
you know, tight team.
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[Anthony Marinelli] We
did a lot of funky sounds
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on "Baby Be Mine."
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[Michael Jackson's
"Baby Be Mine" playing]
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♪♪♪
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Quincy was just looking for...
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He's always looking for
something different.
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So we were brought
in because it was...
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I think Quincy knew about MTV,
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and he was looking
for a cinematic thing
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'cause Quincy came from film.
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When Michael would
want... he-he knew things
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that he would want for sounds.
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And, uh, he would put it on
a record player and play it.
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And then I'd say, "Well, let
me go get that other synth."
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So it would be in the truck,
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parked in the parking
lot of Westlake,
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or it would be in the hallway.
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We had Anvil Cases
lined up the hall,
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and we just basically
took over the place.
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And we were creating sounds
and using synthesizers
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in-in kind of a big way
and replacing orchestra.
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[playing Michael Jackson's
"P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)"]
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♪♪♪
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[Paul Jackson, Jr.] So,
one of the things that
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I noticed about
Michael's development
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as a songwriter...
I-I saw him getting
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more rhythmically and
harmonically advanced,
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taking steps forward
and forward and forward.
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His talent was not only
developing as a singer.
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- Mm-hmm.
- He developed as a...
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- as an entertainer.
- Yes.
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It's funny you guys should
have picked this room,
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'cause I'm walking through
here, you know, and I-I just...
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you know, I'm just
seeing. I can...
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I almost, um, channel him,
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- his spirit into this room.
- Yeah.
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He had us prepared.
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- We were prepared.
- [Oren Waters] No question.
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And he would come
in ready to go.
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He was the kind of
individual that, uh,
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had a awesome work ethic.
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[Ed Eckstine] The process was
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quite a, uh, adventure
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'cause most people forget
that the first single
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from the album was
"The Girl Is Mine."
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♪ "The Girl Is Mine" by Michael
Jackson & Paul McCartney ♪
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Obviously, you had no
bigger star in the world
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than Paul McCartney.
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And, you know, the pairing
of Michael and Paul,
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what better flag waver
to get a project started?
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[Michael] ♪ Every night, she
walks right in my dreams ♪
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♪ Since I met her
from the start ♪
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♪ I'm so proud I
am the only one ♪
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♪ Who is special in her heart ♪
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♪ The girl is mine ♪
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[Bruce Swedien] Yeah, hit
it, John. Hit it, John.
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♪ The doggone girl is mine... ♪
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[Lukather] So we get the call.
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It's, like, Paul McCartney
and Michael Jackson.
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I mean, it just didn't
get any bigger than that,
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so we were kind of like,
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"Oh, holy shit. What
are we gonna do?
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What's this gonna be all about?"
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When Paul McCartney
walked in the room,
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there was a palpable
change of energy of:
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"Oh, my God, that's
Paul McCartney."
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[Michael] ♪ Saying that
she's yours, not mine ♪
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♪ Sending roses and
your silly dreams ♪
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♪ Really just a waste of time ♪
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♪ Because she's mine ♪
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- [Quincy Jones] Beautiful. Whew!
- Yeah.
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♪ The doggone girl is mine ♪
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Do that one more time,
man, from the second verse.
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[Forger] Uh, that
was a wonderful day.
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For me, it was a day
that changed my life.
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I was in the presence
of the greatest,
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most successful people
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in the music business.
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Paul McCartney, Michael
Jackson, Quincy Jones.
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George Martin was there.
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[Nelson George] Because
of its catchy melody,
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many think "The Girl Is Mine"
was written by Paul McCartney,
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when, in fact, it was
composed by Michael Jackson.
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♪ Really just a waste of time ♪
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♪ Because she's mine... ♪
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Once the music started flowing,
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it was like here's
two old friends.
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[beeping]
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- ♪♪♪
- [dialogue inaudible]
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[beep]
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[McCartney] ♪ The
girl is mine ♪
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[backup singers]
♪ Mine, mine ♪
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[McCartney, singing
deeply] ♪ Yes, she's mine ♪
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- [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪
- [laughing] ♪ Don't waste ♪
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[beeping]
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[Michael] ♪ But we
both cannot have her ♪
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♪ So it's one or the other ♪
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♪ And one day you'll discover ♪
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♪ That she's my girl
forever and ever ♪
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[McCartney] ♪ Don't build
your hopes to be let down... ♪
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[George] Coming out
of Off the Wall,
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the challenge was:
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Is Michael Jackson
really a pop star,
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or is he just a
big R and B artist?
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♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whoo ♪
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[Ivory] The way
it worked was that
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you were a Black artist
until you weren't,
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and you weren't when you
got on the pop charts.
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Michael told me
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"The Girl Is Mine"
was his sneak attack.
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He knew he wanted to cross over,
and what better way to do it
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than to have Paul McCartney?
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[McCartney] I've heard
it all before, Michael.
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She told me that I'm her
forever lover, you know?
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Don't you remember?
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[Michael] Well,
after loving me,
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she said she couldn't
love another.
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Is that what she said?
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Yeah, she said it.
You keep dreaming.
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- ♪ I don't believe it, no ♪
- [backup singers] ♪ Mine, mine ♪
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- ♪ The girl is mine ♪
- ♪ Mine, mine, mine ♪
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- ♪ No, mine ♪
- [Michael] ♪ No, mine ♪
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♪ She's mine, mine,
mine, mine, mine ♪
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[backup singers] ♪
Mine, mine, mine... ♪
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[George] So, that
initial session
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with Michael and Paul
happens in April.
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The actual formal
sessions for Thriller
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didn't start for a
couple months later.
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Yeah, Michael, uh, did the
demos at-at his home studio.
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Quincy invited me to
go to Michael's house
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to listen to some demos.
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What I didn't realize was that
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we would be given our own
private world premiere
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of "Billie Jean," "Beat It,"
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'."
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♪ "Beat It" (demo)
by Michael Jackson ♪
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♪ Beat it ♪
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♪ But you're driving me mad ♪
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- ♪ So beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
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♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
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♪ Showing how funky,
strong is your fight ♪
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♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
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- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
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♪ No one wants to
be defeated... ♪
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[Michael] Well, the
songwriting process
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is something that's very
difficult to explain
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because it's very spiritual.
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♪ Who's wrong or right,
just beat it... ♪
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It's, uh... it really
is in the hands of God,
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and it's as if it's
been written already.
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That's the real truth.
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As if it's been written in its
entirety before you were born
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and you're just
really the source
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through which the songs come.
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Really, because they're...
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they just fall right into
your lap in its entirety.
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You don't have to do much,
uh, thinking about it.
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And I feel guilty having to put
my name sometimes on the songs,
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but I-I do write them.
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I compose them. I write
them. I-I do the scoring.
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I do the lyrics.
I do the melody.
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But still it's, uh...
it's the work of God.
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"Startin' Somethin'"
was wild. You know,
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he had all this...
[imitates drumbeat]
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♪ "Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin' by Michael Jackson ♪
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[Mark Ronson] "Wanna
Be Startin' Somethin'"
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has the frenetic
percussion of Off the Wall,
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which is amazing because
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it's like, you have these
incredibly tight drum grooves
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and these programmed beats now.
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I think that's why, for-for me,
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"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"
is still my favorite.
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I remember just, uh, uh, being
able to go out and do the demo
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- at Hayvenhurst, yeah.
- [Maxine Waters] Mm-hmm.
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[Julia Waters] He had
it before we got there,
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and then h-he just, you know,
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shared it with us and
we worked out the parts.
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[Maxine] And we just
had to perfect it,
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because it's so
rhythmic and all that.
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And so he knew the
sound, he knew the...
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the rhythm that he wanted
to hear and everything,
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so like I said, we were quick.
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- ♪ Too low to get under ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
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♪ Stuck in the middle ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
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- ♪ Yeah ♪
- ♪ Hard to get over ♪
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[playing "Wanna Be Startin'
Somethin'" accompaniment]
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♪♪♪
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There's a certain approach, you
know, you want to take to...
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you know, to
emphasize the feeling.
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I would say that Quincy helped
glue those elements together
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and make an arc out
of the progression
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of how the song started
to... to the vamp at the end,
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and made it seamless, you
know, including horns,
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which, of course,
at-at first thought,
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would be considered too jazzy,
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but they blended perfectly
well in the song later on.
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ Too high to get over ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're too low to get under ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
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- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder... ♪
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But there's still that...
[imitating percussive beat]
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[percussive beat playing]
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And then at the end,
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when it goes a cappella to...
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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That, as a DJ... that
is your best friend
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because then you start to
mix in your next record
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and blending in whatever
the biggest songs you have.
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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[scatting over "Wanna
Be Startin' Somethin'"]
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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- ♪ Hee, hee, hee ♪
- ♪ Mama se, mama sa ♪
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- ♪ Ma-ma coo sa ♪
- ♪ Help me sing it ♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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- ♪ Hoo, hoo ♪
- ♪ Mama se, mama sa ♪
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- ♪ Ma-ma coo sa ♪
- ♪ Hee, hee ♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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♪ Mama se, mama
sa, ma-ma coo sa ♪
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- ♪ Sing it to the world ♪
- ♪ Mama se, mama sa... ♪
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[Oren] As a matter
of fact, I asked him
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what "mama se, mama sa,
ma-ma coo sa" meant,
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you know, while
it was going down.
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He... "Well, it
don't mean nothing.
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Just sing it, you know," and...
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- [laughter]
- Yeah, and there it is,
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because that was difficult
to do, I'm telling you.
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He said, "I like
singing with you all
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because you sound like me."
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He always thought our
voices blended so well
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- with-with his.
- [Maxine and Oren] Mm-hmm.
485
00:19:34.110 --> 00:19:35.416
[Usher] "Wanna Be
Startin' Somethin'"
486
00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.240
was like... it was
like an opportunity
487
00:19:37.280 --> 00:19:38.870
to kind of get into his mind.
488
00:19:39.070 --> 00:19:42.960
And this idea of,
like, "Billie Jean"
489
00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.860
and the fact that he was
living kind of in this...
490
00:19:46.060 --> 00:19:47.090
this world where
491
00:19:47.290 --> 00:19:49.146
you didn't really know
what was real or wasn't.
492
00:19:49.170 --> 00:19:50.876
♪ "Billie Jean" (demo)
by Michael Jackson ♪
493
00:19:50.900 --> 00:19:52.870
♪ She told me I
was a lonely man ♪
494
00:19:53.070 --> 00:19:54.280
♪ And I felt sad ♪
495
00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.990
♪ She called my name,
then she said hello ♪
496
00:19:57.190 --> 00:19:59.640
♪ All them who died ♪
497
00:19:59.840 --> 00:20:03.750
♪ And I sit in a cup in a ride ♪
498
00:20:06.250 --> 00:20:08.360
♪ It seems that you ♪
499
00:20:08.560 --> 00:20:10.750
[scatting melody]
500
00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:16.240
[Blige] My mom had just bought
501
00:20:16.360 --> 00:20:18.680
a stereo system,
and it had lights.
502
00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:19.890
The drums kicked in.
503
00:20:20.090 --> 00:20:22.470
[imitating drumbeat]
504
00:20:23.730 --> 00:20:25.460
And then... [imitates bass line]
505
00:20:25.660 --> 00:20:27.170
I mean... [chuckles] What?
506
00:20:27.370 --> 00:20:30.440
And I ran down the hallway
just to hear closely
507
00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.610
what was... what was playing,
what this record was.
508
00:20:33.810 --> 00:20:35.746
And it was "Billie
Jean," and it was on
509
00:20:35.770 --> 00:20:37.130
and poppin' from there. [laughs]
510
00:20:37.210 --> 00:20:40.500
It's actually kind of nasty,
and you can hear the room mics
511
00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:42.060
and it's dirtier than you think.
512
00:20:42.110 --> 00:20:43.506
You know, you always
have that moment where
513
00:20:43.530 --> 00:20:45.446
you fall in love with an
artist for the first time.
514
00:20:45.470 --> 00:20:48.300
Really truly great,
legendary artists,
515
00:20:48.500 --> 00:20:51.860
you have that same feeling
over and over and over again.
516
00:20:52.060 --> 00:20:53.540
"Billie Jean" was that moment
517
00:20:53.670 --> 00:20:56.510
where I fell in love with
Michael all over again.
518
00:20:56.710 --> 00:20:59.470
♪♪♪
519
00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:03.290
When Michael sings it,
520
00:21:03.490 --> 00:21:08.000
he puts the funk into it
the way he does all the...
521
00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.190
[imitating Michael's
vocalizations]
522
00:21:10.390 --> 00:21:12.720
and all the little
stuff that he puts in.
523
00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:14.336
That gives it the syncopation.
524
00:21:14.360 --> 00:21:16.800
And if I just go...
[imitates beat]
525
00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.450
he's gonna go...
[imitating vocalizations]
526
00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:23.870
♪ She was more like
a beauty queen ♪
527
00:21:24.070 --> 00:21:25.616
- ♪ From a movie scene ♪
- [accompaniment fades]
528
00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.346
[a cappella] ♪ I
said, "Don't mind ♪
529
00:21:27.370 --> 00:21:30.050
♪ But what do you
mean I am the one ♪
530
00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:35.170
♪ Who will dance on the
floor in the round?" ♪
531
00:21:36.050 --> 00:21:38.580
♪ She said I am the one ♪
532
00:21:38.770 --> 00:21:42.100
♪ Who will dance on the
floor in the round ♪
533
00:21:42.300 --> 00:21:44.680
[accompaniment returns]
534
00:21:45.520 --> 00:21:48.270
♪ She told me her
name was Billie Jean ♪
535
00:21:48.470 --> 00:21:49.790
♪ As she caused a scene ♪
536
00:21:49.970 --> 00:21:51.290
♪ Then every head turned ♪
537
00:21:51.390 --> 00:21:52.920
♪ With eyes that dreamed... ♪
538
00:21:53.120 --> 00:21:55.570
[Usher] Everybody
loves toxic R and B.
539
00:21:55.770 --> 00:21:58.760
"Billie Jean is not my
lover. She's just a girl
540
00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.256
who claims that I am the one"?
541
00:22:00.280 --> 00:22:02.126
Yeah, that's like,
was it his side chick?
542
00:22:02.150 --> 00:22:04.386
You know what I'm saying?
Was it some chick who,
543
00:22:04.410 --> 00:22:06.466
you know, he had an encounter
with and got pregnant?
544
00:22:06.490 --> 00:22:08.730
Is this real, or is
this some delusional fan
545
00:22:08.930 --> 00:22:11.320
who is saying that, you know,
546
00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:13.710
they had an encounter
that they did or didn't?
547
00:22:13.910 --> 00:22:15.270
All of those things just led you
548
00:22:15.330 --> 00:22:18.910
to be more intrigued
about an artist, right?
549
00:22:19.110 --> 00:22:22.220
But it was, like,
urgent and R and B.
550
00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:24.086
It was... it was
crazy. It was a...
551
00:22:24.110 --> 00:22:26.116
an amazing R and B
record, and his lyrics...
552
00:22:26.140 --> 00:22:28.330
you know, "The kid is
not my son," I mean...
553
00:22:28.530 --> 00:22:31.360
♪ The kid is not my son... ♪
554
00:22:31.560 --> 00:22:33.280
[Blige] "The kid
is not my son."
555
00:22:33.350 --> 00:22:36.340
[laughs] That first... well,
that... we-we like bad boys,
556
00:22:36.540 --> 00:22:38.126
so that made us
love him some more.
557
00:22:38.150 --> 00:22:40.870
And then when I saw the
video, I was losing my mind.
558
00:22:41.070 --> 00:22:42.720
I lost my voice, screaming.
559
00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:44.930
You know, it was
about "Billie Jean."
560
00:22:45.130 --> 00:22:47.716
You know, him stepping on,
you know, the-the pavement,
561
00:22:47.740 --> 00:22:51.290
it glowing and, you know,
making you feel the magic.
562
00:22:51.490 --> 00:22:54.370
I'd storyboarded that, uh,
he would walk down the, uh...
563
00:22:54.540 --> 00:22:56.576
the street and the paving
stones would light up.
564
00:22:56.600 --> 00:22:58.436
And I showed him
which 11 paving stones
565
00:22:58.460 --> 00:22:59.910
we could afford to have light up
566
00:23:00.110 --> 00:23:01.930
and therefore which
ones couldn't.
567
00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:03.376
And he looked carefully at them,
568
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:05.316
and-and I said, "Well,
should we rehearse it?"
569
00:23:05.340 --> 00:23:07.460
And he said, "No,
let-let's just do it."
570
00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:10.080
And we ran the
playback, the music,
571
00:23:10.280 --> 00:23:12.770
and the chorus kicked
in for "Billie Jean,"
572
00:23:12.970 --> 00:23:15.280
and he began his dance movement
573
00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.346
down that street, and
I'll never forget it.
574
00:23:17.370 --> 00:23:19.130
The-the camera
actually steamed up.
575
00:23:19.190 --> 00:23:21.856
I could hardly even see him
through the-the eyepiece
576
00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:22.890
because it was
577
00:23:23.090 --> 00:23:24.790
so exciting to watch.
578
00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:27.180
[Ivory] Michael is
doing so much moving
579
00:23:27.380 --> 00:23:30.370
that Steve isn't even getting.
580
00:23:30.570 --> 00:23:32.346
There are several
shots in "Billie Jean"
581
00:23:32.370 --> 00:23:35.690
where he's just being
shot from the waist up
582
00:23:35.890 --> 00:23:38.700
and you can just see him
doing all kinds of stuff.
583
00:23:38.890 --> 00:23:39.890
And it's like,
584
00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:41.316
"Why aren't you getting that?"
585
00:23:41.340 --> 00:23:43.180
But that's just how new
586
00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:47.220
the medium was to
capturing dancers.
587
00:23:47.420 --> 00:23:49.160
Michael opened
the door for that.
588
00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:50.710
♪ I am the one... ♪
589
00:23:50.910 --> 00:23:53.176
And every time they just kept
freezing him in those brackets,
590
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.240
and every time he'd
walk, they froze him.
591
00:23:55.350 --> 00:23:56.806
And every time he
said something,
592
00:23:56.830 --> 00:23:59.760
I just was losing my mind
'cause I loved him so much.
593
00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:01.070
But on "Billie Jean,"
594
00:24:01.270 --> 00:24:04.260
we was like, "Oh, he is
super-duper-duper sexy."
595
00:24:04.460 --> 00:24:06.910
- ♪ Not my lover ♪
- ♪ Don't call me, Billie Jean ♪
596
00:24:07.110 --> 00:24:09.140
♪ Billie Jean is
not my lover... ♪
597
00:24:09.340 --> 00:24:12.370
[Branca] MTV refused
to play "Billie Jean."
598
00:24:12.570 --> 00:24:14.980
They said, "Well, our
network appeals to,
599
00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:16.556
you know, white teenagers,
600
00:24:16.580 --> 00:24:19.380
and this just really
doesn't fit our format."
601
00:24:19.580 --> 00:24:20.900
♪ hard rock guitar riff ♪
602
00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:22.680
[Mark Goodman] This is it.
603
00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:24.950
Welcome to MTV Music Television.
604
00:24:25.150 --> 00:24:26.150
I'm Mark Goodman.
605
00:24:26.340 --> 00:24:27.986
- I'm Martha Quinn.
- I'm Alan Hunter.
606
00:24:28.010 --> 00:24:30.106
[Goodman] You'll never look
at music the same way again.
607
00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:31.580
Turn it on! Leave it on!
608
00:24:31.780 --> 00:24:35.040
America, see the
music you want to see.
609
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:36.630
I want my MTV.
610
00:24:36.830 --> 00:24:39.030
Some prominent Black
musicians are complaining
611
00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:41.346
that they are being left
out of the video market,
612
00:24:41.370 --> 00:24:43.950
specifically the Music
Television cable operation.
613
00:24:44.150 --> 00:24:46.720
It-it occurred to me,
having watched MTV
614
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:49.440
over the last few months,
um, that it's-it's got a...
615
00:24:49.570 --> 00:24:52.730
it's a solid enterprise and
it's got a lot going for it.
616
00:24:52.930 --> 00:24:55.596
I'm just floored by the fact
that there's so many Bl...
617
00:24:55.620 --> 00:24:57.710
so few Black artists
featured on it.
618
00:24:57.910 --> 00:24:59.070
Why is that?
619
00:24:59.270 --> 00:25:02.400
The fact is, quite frankly,
we're a rock and roll station.
620
00:25:02.600 --> 00:25:06.090
MTV will deny this
till the world ends,
621
00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:09.450
that they had nothing
against Black artists.
622
00:25:09.650 --> 00:25:13.500
But they refused to,
uh, play Michael.
623
00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:16.000
[Walter Yetnikoff]
In 1975, I was named
624
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.270
president of the
CBS Records Group
625
00:25:18.470 --> 00:25:21.190
and a vice president
of CBS, Inc.
626
00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:25.070
No single record changed
the business and my life
627
00:25:25.270 --> 00:25:28.910
as powerfully as Michael
Jackson's Thriller.
628
00:25:29.110 --> 00:25:30.890
I screamed bloody murder
629
00:25:31.090 --> 00:25:33.520
when MTV refused
to air his videos.
630
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:36.270
They argued that their
format, white rock,
631
00:25:36.470 --> 00:25:38.150
excluded Michael's music.
632
00:25:38.350 --> 00:25:40.400
I argued they were
racist assholes.
633
00:25:40.600 --> 00:25:42.650
[Branca] So Walter
Yetnikoff said,
634
00:25:42.850 --> 00:25:43.860
"Really? Okay.
635
00:25:44.060 --> 00:25:45.456
If you don't play
Michael Jackson,
636
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.760
I'm pulling Billy Joel and
everybody else that I have,
637
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:50.040
uh, off of MTV."
638
00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:52.296
[Yetnikoff] I've never
been more forceful
639
00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:53.540
or obnoxious.
640
00:25:53.740 --> 00:25:55.460
I've also never
been as effective.
641
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.630
With added pressure from
Quincy Jones, they caved in,
642
00:25:58.830 --> 00:26:03.130
and in doing so, the MTV
color line came crashing down.
643
00:26:03.330 --> 00:26:04.996
[Ivory] One of
the most important
644
00:26:05.020 --> 00:26:07.720
things about Thriller was
the doors that it opened
645
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.310
for other artists to
have the opportunity
646
00:26:11.510 --> 00:26:12.950
to get on the pop charts.
647
00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:16.020
Tina Turner. My
God, Private Dancer.
648
00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:17.290
That's who it was.
649
00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:19.810
It was Tina, it was
Lionel, it was Whitney,
650
00:26:20.010 --> 00:26:22.190
it was Michael and Prince.
651
00:26:22.390 --> 00:26:24.170
Revenues could just be crazy.
652
00:26:24.370 --> 00:26:26.590
♪ Quiet, hypnotic music ♪
653
00:26:26.790 --> 00:26:29.010
[George] Thriller
changes the dynamic
654
00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:30.600
and the culture.
655
00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:33.410
Michael shows the way
that this is possible.
656
00:26:33.610 --> 00:26:35.410
Yeah, I-I grew up, uh,
657
00:26:35.610 --> 00:26:39.210
during the time that
Thriller was released,
658
00:26:39.410 --> 00:26:43.380
and MTV was just becoming
a really big thing.
659
00:26:43.580 --> 00:26:46.450
I remember almost more vividly
660
00:26:46.650 --> 00:26:50.300
the amazing storytelling
through the videos,
661
00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:52.966
which is pretty interesting
'cause I think here we are
662
00:26:52.990 --> 00:26:56.460
40 years later, and
the music and the video
663
00:26:56.660 --> 00:26:59.980
is coming to life again
for the next generation
664
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:01.180
on TikTok.
665
00:27:01.350 --> 00:27:03.880
Michael Jackson's music
has been available
666
00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:06.900
on TikTok since August 2020.
667
00:27:07.100 --> 00:27:09.340
I think there's a real rebirth
668
00:27:09.540 --> 00:27:13.580
of the music and the video
from these songs on the album.
669
00:27:13.780 --> 00:27:16.890
And it is this new generation
that's being exposed
670
00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:19.440
or engaging with the music.
671
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.400
There are about ten million
672
00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:25.320
video creations on
TikTok right now
673
00:27:25.520 --> 00:27:27.920
that include music
from Thriller.
674
00:27:28.120 --> 00:27:31.160
There are 17 billion views
675
00:27:31.360 --> 00:27:34.560
of those ten million
videos that exist.
676
00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:39.330
There are about two billion
likes on those videos,
677
00:27:39.530 --> 00:27:41.440
so people putting
a little thumbs-up
678
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.280
or sharing or doing something
to say, "I'm excited about this.
679
00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:47.840
I'm engaging with
this-this music."
680
00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:49.280
Pretty massive numbers.
681
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.186
They're hearing it
for the first time.
682
00:27:51.210 --> 00:27:52.316
They're-they're like...
683
00:27:52.340 --> 00:27:53.626
You know, it's-it's
the same feeling
684
00:27:53.650 --> 00:27:55.730
we maybe had when we
watched the MTV video
685
00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:57.890
for "Thriller" or "Beat It."
686
00:27:58.390 --> 00:28:01.400
They're having that same
experience 40 years later,
687
00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:03.446
but rather than just
watch, they're actually
688
00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:07.730
then making something to
engage with that music.
689
00:28:09.650 --> 00:28:11.476
[Michael] I was
kind of upset about
690
00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:15.470
the news I heard about MTV and
how they weren't showing Blacks,
691
00:28:15.670 --> 00:28:16.990
and that kind of hurt me.
692
00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:20.230
So I wanted to do something
that was so powerful,
693
00:28:20.430 --> 00:28:24.790
so strong that everybody
would have to show it.
694
00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:27.440
But I wanted to
tell a strong story.
695
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.360
The story had to sell itself.
696
00:28:29.560 --> 00:28:32.360
And what... these so-called
videos weren't doing that.
697
00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:34.816
They were terrible. They
were just a lot of nothing
698
00:28:34.840 --> 00:28:36.620
put together just
to sell a song.
699
00:28:36.820 --> 00:28:38.540
I wanted my things
to be powerful.
700
00:28:38.570 --> 00:28:40.446
I wanted to stand out
from everything else
701
00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:42.430
that when you see it,
you run to the set
702
00:28:42.510 --> 00:28:44.310
and you're glued
to it, watching it.
703
00:28:44.410 --> 00:28:45.926
I wanted quality. I
wanted excellence.
704
00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:49.070
I wanted the best. I wanted
to perfect perfection.
705
00:28:49.270 --> 00:28:50.860
[Usher] One thing that I can
706
00:28:51.060 --> 00:28:52.126
always say about Michael
707
00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:54.590
is that you felt like there
was a sense of culture.
708
00:28:54.710 --> 00:28:56.700
And the culture would
span all the way
709
00:28:56.900 --> 00:29:01.460
from kind of like this Broadway,
you know, more theatrical world,
710
00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:04.500
and then there was this other
element that was cultural,
711
00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:06.360
that was almost like gangsters.
712
00:29:06.560 --> 00:29:08.500
♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
713
00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.130
♪♪♪
714
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.560
You know, when you
look at "Beat It"
715
00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:23.520
and the idea that the people
of that era felt like,
716
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.730
"Oh, he's speaking
to us and with us.
717
00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:28.650
He's rocking with us.
He's making music for us.
718
00:29:28.850 --> 00:29:31.030
We can dance to his music."
719
00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:33.650
♪♪♪
720
00:29:44.620 --> 00:29:46.710
It was an incredible
move to decide,
721
00:29:46.910 --> 00:29:49.420
"We're gonna have a
rock and roll record
722
00:29:49.620 --> 00:29:50.630
on this thing."
723
00:29:50.830 --> 00:29:53.280
"Beat It" was straight
up rock and roll.
724
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:54.996
[Steven Ray] Michael's
idea with "Beat It"
725
00:29:55.020 --> 00:29:57.160
was to distance himself
from Off the Wall,
726
00:29:57.360 --> 00:29:58.700
from the dance, disco.
727
00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:00.336
And Michael wanted to stretch.
728
00:30:00.360 --> 00:30:01.856
Creatively, he
wanted to stretch.
729
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.316
[Lukather] They wanted a
crossover hit across the board.
730
00:30:04.340 --> 00:30:06.290
Rock, R and B, pop.
731
00:30:06.490 --> 00:30:09.560
They called me to come in
with Michael and Quincy
732
00:30:09.770 --> 00:30:13.110
to do the... [imitates
"Beat It" guitar riff]
733
00:30:13.650 --> 00:30:15.626
They want to go rock
and roll, let's do it.
734
00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:18.760
You know, so I did it with
all... you know, all-all that,
735
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.646
doubled it and
made it sound huge.
736
00:30:20.670 --> 00:30:22.670
And then I played the
bass on it as well.
737
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:24.580
I did play bass on
that record as well.
738
00:30:24.760 --> 00:30:27.330
So I sat with them
and made that swing,
739
00:30:27.530 --> 00:30:29.386
and when Michael was
dancing in the room,
740
00:30:29.410 --> 00:30:30.636
I knew I was in the pocket.
741
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.016
[Branca] When he
wrote "Beat It,"
742
00:30:32.040 --> 00:30:34.690
he said, "I want a kind
of guitar player on here
743
00:30:34.890 --> 00:30:39.840
that will attract young,
white, teenage males."
744
00:30:40.050 --> 00:30:41.090
Eddie Van Halen.
745
00:30:41.590 --> 00:30:43.856
[Ray] He said, "Well, what
do you want me to do?"
746
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:45.000
And Quincy said, "Well,
747
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.290
I want you to be you.
748
00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:47.846
That's you right
there." And he pointed
749
00:30:47.870 --> 00:30:49.806
to the famous, you
know, Strat that he had.
750
00:30:49.830 --> 00:30:52.390
And he said, "I'm not gonna
tell you what to play.
751
00:30:52.520 --> 00:30:53.520
You go be you."
752
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:54.956
[Branca] I mean, Eddie ripped
753
00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:56.746
these solos off one
after the other.
754
00:30:56.770 --> 00:30:58.940
[rhythmic thumping]
755
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.410
[playing "Beat It" guitar solo]
756
00:31:02.610 --> 00:31:04.950
♪♪♪
757
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:12.806
[Marinelli] I
remember, like, hearing
758
00:31:12.830 --> 00:31:14.300
the sound coming from Studio A,
759
00:31:14.500 --> 00:31:16.130
where he was doing the-the solo.
760
00:31:16.330 --> 00:31:17.380
It was so loud.
761
00:31:17.580 --> 00:31:18.680
I could... I just...
762
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:19.880
It was just so loud.
763
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.740
Bruce Swedien and
Quincy brilliantly
764
00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:24.600
edited that solo together.
765
00:31:24.800 --> 00:31:26.680
I mean, I think I
probably just loved it
766
00:31:26.780 --> 00:31:28.616
'cause, at that moment,
it was probably everything
767
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.730
that I ever loved in
one song, you know?
768
00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:32.900
I've done way more time googling
769
00:31:33.100 --> 00:31:37.510
Lukather's tone on "Beat It"
than, um, Eddie Van Halen's,
770
00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:39.720
because it's the
tone that drives
771
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:41.336
the whole record...
that's the riff.
772
00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:45.260
It's the perfect way that, like,
a rock guitar could ever sit
773
00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:47.680
over programmed
drums in a... in a...
774
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.250
like, a funky groove.
775
00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:50.986
I thought his videos
were incredible.
776
00:31:51.010 --> 00:31:52.846
I mean, first off,
the guy could dance.
777
00:31:52.870 --> 00:31:54.176
I mean, just being in the room,
778
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.480
watching him groove
while we're playing.
779
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:57.826
[Rich Talauega]
That short film...
780
00:31:57.850 --> 00:31:59.146
you see, this whole movie,
781
00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:01.396
it's about a big fight that's
about to happen, right,
782
00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:02.820
between two rival gangs, right?
783
00:32:02.900 --> 00:32:05.350
♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
784
00:32:05.550 --> 00:32:07.970
♪♪♪
785
00:32:15.390 --> 00:32:16.690
♪ Beat it... ♪
786
00:32:16.890 --> 00:32:19.490
[Tone Talauega] He saw
value in street culture.
787
00:32:19.690 --> 00:32:21.490
He wanted to try
to figure out a way
788
00:32:21.520 --> 00:32:23.010
on how to incorporate it, and...
789
00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.430
and the beginning
of it was "Beat It."
790
00:32:25.630 --> 00:32:27.150
[Rich] The people that you see
791
00:32:27.260 --> 00:32:31.770
in that film are a mixture
of dancers and street cats.
792
00:32:31.970 --> 00:32:33.480
And not only that
793
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.540
is that you actually had
real gangsters on set.
794
00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:38.340
Like, real Bloods and Crips
795
00:32:38.540 --> 00:32:40.720
and Vatos and all
that, like, for real.
796
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.680
[Terry Lewis] There
was such a magic
797
00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:44.106
in Michael and his movement.
798
00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:47.100
♪ No one wants to be
defeated, oh, Lord ♪
799
00:32:47.300 --> 00:32:50.560
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
800
00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:53.710
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
801
00:32:53.910 --> 00:32:55.380
♪ Just beat it... ♪
802
00:32:55.580 --> 00:32:56.716
[Rich] You had B-boying
803
00:32:56.740 --> 00:32:58.190
that was going on in New York.
804
00:32:58.390 --> 00:32:59.656
You had popping and locking
805
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.306
that was going down
over here in California,
806
00:33:01.330 --> 00:33:04.610
and strutting and-and
robotting, all them.
807
00:33:04.810 --> 00:33:06.290
So the guy that's vibrating
808
00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:09.160
in the "Beat It" short film
with the... with the glasses on,
809
00:33:09.360 --> 00:33:10.520
his name is Robot Dane.
810
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:11.980
This is the first ever
811
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.960
street dance wave of the
United States of America.
812
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.230
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
813
00:33:18.430 --> 00:33:19.676
♪ It doesn't matter... ♪
814
00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:21.260
[Usher] The most
relevant scene
815
00:33:21.330 --> 00:33:25.970
at the time, which either
was breakdancing, locking,
816
00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:28.790
popping, waving, whatever
it might have been,
817
00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:30.720
he's pushing the
envelope forward,
818
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.796
he's teaching us some things,
he's informing us as artists,
819
00:33:33.820 --> 00:33:35.830
but also, too, as performers,
820
00:33:36.030 --> 00:33:39.550
he's letting us know that,
"Yo, I want to be the baddest."
821
00:33:39.750 --> 00:33:41.650
As a fan or a critic,
822
00:33:41.850 --> 00:33:44.680
you're always looking
for breathtaking moments,
823
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.920
the time when you say,
824
00:33:46.020 --> 00:33:47.416
"I've never seen
anything like that.
825
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.580
I'm probably not gonna see
anything like that again."
826
00:33:50.780 --> 00:33:52.200
The Motown show,
827
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.750
that's what I think was
the most important step
828
00:33:54.950 --> 00:33:59.290
in the whole Thriller process
of making him the superstar.
829
00:33:59.490 --> 00:34:02.590
♪ And I'll be there ♪
830
00:34:02.790 --> 00:34:05.590
- ♪ Whoo! ♪
- [crowd cheering]
831
00:34:07.510 --> 00:34:09.030
[Ivory] Bob Jones was, uh,
832
00:34:09.230 --> 00:34:12.060
vice president of
publicity at Motown.
833
00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:13.260
He says,
834
00:34:13.430 --> 00:34:15.540
"We're doing a Motown show."
835
00:34:15.740 --> 00:34:20.730
I rented a tuxedo, and,
uh, I went to the show.
836
00:34:20.930 --> 00:34:22.050
People just went crazy.
837
00:34:22.250 --> 00:34:24.130
[Blige] I was home
in front of the TV.
838
00:34:24.310 --> 00:34:27.200
[chuckles] Waiting for
him to take us there.
839
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:28.976
First, we didn't know
what he was gonna do,
840
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.796
because he was up there
with his brothers.
841
00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:32.810
[Ivory] The Jacksons leave,
842
00:34:33.010 --> 00:34:35.620
the brothers leave, and
Mike stays out there.
843
00:34:35.820 --> 00:34:36.820
[crowd cheering]
844
00:34:36.910 --> 00:34:38.000
And in the audience,
845
00:34:38.200 --> 00:34:40.250
you could hear
just kind of like:
846
00:34:40.450 --> 00:34:43.500
"What's-what's getting
ready to happen now?"
847
00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:52.010
And, you know, Mike goes
through the whole...
848
00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:54.566
"Those were some great times.
I love the-the old songs."
849
00:34:54.590 --> 00:34:56.156
You know, th-those
were good songs.
850
00:34:56.180 --> 00:34:57.960
I-I like those songs a lot,
851
00:34:58.160 --> 00:35:01.750
but, especially, I like...
852
00:35:01.950 --> 00:35:03.906
- [spectator] "Billie Jean"!
- [crowd shouting]
853
00:35:03.930 --> 00:35:05.616
- the new songs.
- [crowd cheering]
854
00:35:05.640 --> 00:35:07.630
[Ivory] And then here comes
855
00:35:07.830 --> 00:35:08.910
"Billie Jean."
856
00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:12.200
- ["Billie Jean" playing]
- [raucous cheering]
857
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.660
♪♪♪
858
00:35:17.580 --> 00:35:20.540
The tape that you can see
859
00:35:20.740 --> 00:35:22.000
of "Billie Jean"
860
00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:26.760
and the stuff you see
going on in the audience,
861
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:31.300
it does not capture what
was happening in that crowd.
862
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:33.760
These people were going
863
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.970
absolutely berserk.
864
00:35:36.470 --> 00:35:39.670
♪ Who will dance on the
floor in the round? ♪
865
00:35:39.870 --> 00:35:42.310
Mike just turned
it the fuck out.
866
00:35:42.510 --> 00:35:46.320
♪ People always told me,
"Be careful of what you do ♪
867
00:35:46.520 --> 00:35:49.630
♪ Don't go around breakin'
young girls' hearts" ♪
868
00:35:49.830 --> 00:35:50.930
♪ Hee-hee ♪
869
00:35:51.130 --> 00:35:53.640
♪ And Mother always told me... ♪
870
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.810
I mean, he just laid
a bomb on that room.
871
00:35:57.010 --> 00:35:59.520
♪ "'Cause the lie becomes
the truth," hey, hey ♪
872
00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:01.960
♪ Billie Jean is not my... ♪
873
00:36:02.160 --> 00:36:03.650
[Hilburn] I was at that show
874
00:36:03.850 --> 00:36:05.246
at the Pasadena
Civic Auditorium.
875
00:36:05.270 --> 00:36:07.866
And he's moving different.
He's got his own moves now.
876
00:36:07.890 --> 00:36:10.880
He's not so much doing
what-what he learned growing up,
877
00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:12.530
and he was excited about it.
878
00:36:12.730 --> 00:36:13.800
♪ Hee-hee-hee ♪
879
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:15.000
♪♪♪
880
00:36:15.090 --> 00:36:17.020
[Blige] We just
was happy to see
881
00:36:17.220 --> 00:36:19.060
Michael Jackson perform, period.
882
00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:21.390
Nobody seen the moonwalk coming.
883
00:36:22.680 --> 00:36:25.060
[cheering]
884
00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:27.650
♪ She says I am... ♪
885
00:36:27.850 --> 00:36:29.266
[Hilburn] He does
the moonwalk.
886
00:36:29.290 --> 00:36:31.050
That's the breathtaking
moment, okay?
887
00:36:31.210 --> 00:36:33.146
And after the show, I
couldn't believe it.
888
00:36:33.170 --> 00:36:35.130
I had to go backstage
and to ask somebody,
889
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.120
"Was there a
special trick floor?
890
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.000
[laughs] How did he do that?"
891
00:36:40.200 --> 00:36:42.920
[Rich] You know, this
was the performance
892
00:36:43.120 --> 00:36:45.330
that really changed
space and time.
893
00:36:45.830 --> 00:36:48.380
A few of his dances, we
call 'em timekeepers.
894
00:36:48.580 --> 00:36:51.090
And he created a whole
vocabulary of timekeepers,
895
00:36:51.290 --> 00:36:52.730
whether it's with his hip...
896
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.030
[snapping rhythmically]
897
00:36:55.230 --> 00:36:57.070
or with his... you
know, his side,
898
00:36:57.130 --> 00:36:59.600
- stomping with the ankle.
- That's right.
899
00:37:00.930 --> 00:37:03.600
Or he'll stomp with the foot.
900
00:37:06.140 --> 00:37:08.360
With that, you can sing.
901
00:37:08.560 --> 00:37:09.680
You see what I'm saying?
902
00:37:09.870 --> 00:37:11.116
And it looks like
you're dancing.
903
00:37:11.140 --> 00:37:12.436
- But you're really not.
- It's an illu...
904
00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:14.100
It's-it's a bit
of a trick, right?
905
00:37:14.130 --> 00:37:16.070
And you go... you
walk over here.
906
00:37:16.270 --> 00:37:18.490
[scatting rhythmically]
907
00:37:18.690 --> 00:37:19.690
And switch the mic,
908
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.040
flip the coat, put the
hand in the pocket.
909
00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:24.276
You could do a few things
here and there that only...
910
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.020
only you can do if you know
your song and your music.
911
00:37:27.200 --> 00:37:28.900
♪♪♪
912
00:37:29.100 --> 00:37:30.140
You know, when you see
913
00:37:30.310 --> 00:37:32.820
him glide across
the floor or pop,
914
00:37:33.020 --> 00:37:34.470
it's a special effect.
915
00:37:34.670 --> 00:37:36.760
He saw magic in that dance.
916
00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.450
Look at that... if
you pause each moment,
917
00:37:39.650 --> 00:37:41.090
it's an iconic silhouette.
918
00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:44.100
It's the hat, it's
the arms, it's the...
919
00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:45.980
it's the tapping of the leg.
920
00:37:46.180 --> 00:37:47.810
Right? The kick.
921
00:37:48.010 --> 00:37:50.350
♪♪♪
922
00:37:51.190 --> 00:37:54.800
To see a Black man
standing on his toes,
923
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:58.160
seeing that and not
being conscious of it
924
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.060
has made generations
of Black, brown,
925
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.810
white, whatever color kids feel
like anything was possible.
926
00:38:05.010 --> 00:38:08.940
It's bigger than I think we,
uh, think and acknowledge.
927
00:38:09.140 --> 00:38:10.630
[cheering]
928
00:38:10.830 --> 00:38:12.440
[Ivory] After Mike finished,
929
00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:15.160
the producer had to get
on the microphone and say,
930
00:38:15.190 --> 00:38:18.120
"Ladies and gentlemen,
please, please,
931
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.990
gather yourselves
and take your seats.
932
00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:23.020
We have more show to tape.
933
00:38:23.220 --> 00:38:24.930
There's much more show coming."
934
00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:28.310
And it took a minute for people
to get their ties back together
935
00:38:28.510 --> 00:38:30.800
and the women to put
their wigs back on.
936
00:38:30.990 --> 00:38:32.926
[George] Okay, I have
one question for you.
937
00:38:32.950 --> 00:38:34.800
Who was the unfortunate artist
938
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.530
- who had to come on...
- [laughing]
939
00:38:39.990 --> 00:38:42.450
I don't remember. [laughing]
940
00:38:42.650 --> 00:38:45.370
[cheering continues]
941
00:38:46.330 --> 00:38:48.296
[Usher] I think that was
the moment that he had
942
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.150
his breakout moment from
the... from the group.
943
00:38:51.350 --> 00:38:53.820
That song, "Billie Jean,"
944
00:38:54.020 --> 00:38:56.950
and the way he performed
it on that night
945
00:38:57.150 --> 00:38:59.450
set the standard of what
it was to be a megastar.
946
00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:02.236
The next day after the show,
Fred Astaire called my house.
947
00:39:02.260 --> 00:39:03.946
He said, "I saw the
show last night.
948
00:39:03.970 --> 00:39:06.050
I taped it. I watched
it twice this morning."
949
00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:07.636
And he said, "You
were incredible.
950
00:39:07.660 --> 00:39:09.886
You're a hell of a mover,
and you really put them
951
00:39:09.910 --> 00:39:11.690
on their A-S-S," he said.
952
00:39:11.890 --> 00:39:13.056
And I said, "God, thank you.
953
00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:14.746
It's so wonderful
for you to say that,
954
00:39:14.770 --> 00:39:16.076
'cause I think you're the best."
955
00:39:16.100 --> 00:39:18.990
And that was my r-reward,
'cause I think he's brilliant.
956
00:39:19.190 --> 00:39:21.070
♪ Tense, hypnotic music ♪
957
00:39:21.270 --> 00:39:22.740
♪♪♪
958
00:39:22.940 --> 00:39:24.416
[Copeland] To a
classical dancer,
959
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.446
it's about your line,
it's about the shapes
960
00:39:26.470 --> 00:39:27.810
that you're-you're making.
961
00:39:28.010 --> 00:39:29.540
And Michael does that.
962
00:39:29.740 --> 00:39:32.610
That, to me, is very
similar to a trained dancer,
963
00:39:32.810 --> 00:39:34.250
even though he wasn't trained.
964
00:39:34.410 --> 00:39:37.590
He would've been the
ideal ballet dancer.
965
00:39:37.790 --> 00:39:39.360
The proportions of his body.
966
00:39:39.560 --> 00:39:43.890
He was lean, uh, and long,
um, and just had, like,
967
00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:46.200
a natural instinct
when he moved.
968
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.730
But there... but there was
such precision and clarity.
969
00:39:49.930 --> 00:39:51.270
He was a perfectionist,
970
00:39:51.470 --> 00:39:54.820
and that's what dancers are.
971
00:39:55.020 --> 00:39:57.860
Um, you know, you don't
commit that type of time
972
00:39:58.060 --> 00:39:59.610
and sacrifice your body,
973
00:39:59.810 --> 00:40:01.430
the injury, all of those things,
974
00:40:01.630 --> 00:40:04.870
if you don't have the passion
for it and the love for it.
975
00:40:05.070 --> 00:40:07.850
And all of that sums up Michael
976
00:40:08.050 --> 00:40:10.520
as a dancer, as a
performer, as an artist.
977
00:40:10.720 --> 00:40:13.880
[George] Michael Jackson
didn't invent dancing on film,
978
00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:15.266
but his particular synthesis
979
00:40:15.290 --> 00:40:17.860
of the Nicholas
Brothers on one hand
980
00:40:18.060 --> 00:40:21.950
and Bob Fosse, Astaire,
popping, locking,
981
00:40:22.150 --> 00:40:24.070
moonwalking... no one had ever
982
00:40:24.270 --> 00:40:26.296
put those elements
together before like that.
983
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.220
You can see it all
the way through from
984
00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:30.296
"Billie Jean" and "Beat
It" and "Thriller,"
985
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.446
all the way through to all
of these other artists.
986
00:40:32.470 --> 00:40:35.980
Look at MC Hammer,
"U Can't Touch This."
987
00:40:36.600 --> 00:40:40.570
Then you go forward to, like,
Usher and Justin Timberlake.
988
00:40:41.150 --> 00:40:43.930
And then you go farther
forward to Justin Bieber,
989
00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:46.240
Doja Cat, Bruno Mars.
990
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:47.920
[Branca] Michael is emulated.
991
00:40:48.070 --> 00:40:51.020
If you look at BTS,
you can see it.
992
00:40:51.220 --> 00:40:52.466
[BTS's "Dynamite" playing]
993
00:40:52.490 --> 00:40:54.610
[Ivory] I'm all in with BTS.
994
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:55.900
I love those guys.
995
00:40:56.100 --> 00:40:58.900
Every move they do is
all Michael Jackson.
996
00:40:59.100 --> 00:41:00.950
Michael created that.
997
00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:03.340
[George] The
entire K-pop wave,
998
00:41:03.540 --> 00:41:05.340
they've all studied Michael
999
00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:10.390
in terms of stage clothes,
video clothes and stagecraft.
1000
00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:13.250
There's a great video
if you watch BTS.
1001
00:41:13.450 --> 00:41:15.230
There's a lot of
Michael Jackson.
1002
00:41:15.430 --> 00:41:16.786
You see it in their dancing.
1003
00:41:16.810 --> 00:41:19.880
♪ 'Cause I, I, I'm in
the stars tonight ♪
1004
00:41:20.080 --> 00:41:24.590
♪ So watch me bring the fire
and set the night alight ♪
1005
00:41:24.790 --> 00:41:29.290
♪ Shining through the city
with a little funk and soul ♪
1006
00:41:29.490 --> 00:41:33.850
♪ So I'm-a light it up
like dynamite, whoa-oh-oh ♪
1007
00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:37.900
♪ Dyn-na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na,
na-na-na, life is dynamite ♪
1008
00:41:38.100 --> 00:41:39.100
♪ Dyn-na-na-na... ♪
1009
00:41:39.270 --> 00:41:41.440
[George] So, the
entire K-pop movement,
1010
00:41:41.640 --> 00:41:44.180
they're students of the game.
1011
00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:47.410
You can look at a number of
millennial hip-hop artists...
1012
00:41:47.610 --> 00:41:49.260
Polo G being one of them...
1013
00:41:49.460 --> 00:41:52.520
23, 24 years old, from Chicago,
1014
00:41:52.720 --> 00:41:55.120
yet he's very much in
trance with Michael Jackson
1015
00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:56.880
and he uses Michael
Jackson music
1016
00:41:57.080 --> 00:41:58.536
and imagery in
some of his music.
1017
00:41:58.560 --> 00:42:00.460
♪ Ha, smooth
criminal, Mike Jack ♪
1018
00:42:00.660 --> 00:42:03.286
♪ And I still like to tote
a four-five like Mike back ♪
1019
00:42:03.310 --> 00:42:04.876
[Polo G] It was just a
night I was riding around,
1020
00:42:04.900 --> 00:42:07.146
I was riding in my car,
and I was just listening
1021
00:42:07.170 --> 00:42:08.780
to Michael Jackson interviews.
1022
00:42:08.980 --> 00:42:10.236
I wasn't listening to music.
1023
00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:11.626
I was just listening
to his interviews.
1024
00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:13.406
And I just came up
with this idea, like,
1025
00:42:13.430 --> 00:42:17.520
maybe I should do, uh, this
song and this instrumental
1026
00:42:17.720 --> 00:42:19.790
and just really mess
everybody head up
1027
00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:21.246
'cause I know they wouldn't
1028
00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:22.866
be expecting that
from a young artist.
1029
00:42:22.890 --> 00:42:25.206
♪ Tell me, Annie, are you
okay? Screaming out, "No way" ♪
1030
00:42:25.230 --> 00:42:26.876
♪ Tell me, Annie,
are you okay? ♪
1031
00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:30.930
'Cause I remember my grandma
had this same exact album.
1032
00:42:31.130 --> 00:42:32.490
My auntie, who was her daughter,
1033
00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:34.210
she was a big
Michael Jackson fan,
1034
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.120
so she always had
us listening to him.
1035
00:42:36.240 --> 00:42:38.830
So I remember her
having this one exactly.
1036
00:42:39.030 --> 00:42:40.390
[George] It's pretty wild.
1037
00:42:40.450 --> 00:42:44.260
It says how powerful the imagery
that Michael created was.
1038
00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:46.700
♪ Soft, atmospheric music ♪
1039
00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:48.390
♪♪♪
1040
00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:49.950
[Ray] On Thriller,
1041
00:42:50.150 --> 00:42:51.950
his life was evolving, you know,
1042
00:42:52.150 --> 00:42:55.500
and his vocal approach
was different.
1043
00:42:55.700 --> 00:42:58.060
There's vocalists,
and there's stylists.
1044
00:42:58.260 --> 00:42:59.790
[chuckles] Style wins.
1045
00:42:59.990 --> 00:43:02.040
When you can hear a person sing
1046
00:43:02.250 --> 00:43:04.860
and recognize them fr-from
the first couple bars,
1047
00:43:05.060 --> 00:43:06.740
you know you got
something special.
1048
00:43:06.940 --> 00:43:08.106
They have a special tone,
1049
00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:09.990
a special voice, a
special delivery.
1050
00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:11.456
Now, Michael had all of that.
1051
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:13.760
In just the way
he loved to dance
1052
00:43:13.970 --> 00:43:15.410
and-and he loved to perform,
1053
00:43:15.490 --> 00:43:19.440
he turned all of that melody
that he was so great with
1054
00:43:19.640 --> 00:43:21.110
into percussive melody.
1055
00:43:21.310 --> 00:43:23.556
Well, that's what he did.
He would sing drum parts.
1056
00:43:23.580 --> 00:43:25.090
He would sing bass lines.
1057
00:43:25.290 --> 00:43:27.690
He would, uh... all with
his rhythmic inflections.
1058
00:43:27.810 --> 00:43:29.356
We call it "drums
in your mouth."
1059
00:43:29.380 --> 00:43:31.456
He would beatbox. He was
an amazing beatboxer.
1060
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.950
But beatbox with melody
and sing, you know,
1061
00:43:34.150 --> 00:43:35.220
not just beatboxing.
1062
00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:37.620
He would, you know,
integrate melody with it.
1063
00:43:37.740 --> 00:43:39.616
And you can hear it on
"Beat It," you know,
1064
00:43:39.640 --> 00:43:42.250
just the way he would
attack each syllable.
1065
00:43:42.450 --> 00:43:45.400
♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
1066
00:43:45.600 --> 00:43:47.490
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
1067
00:43:47.690 --> 00:43:49.030
[accompaniment fades]
1068
00:43:49.230 --> 00:43:52.390
[a cappella] ♪ Showin' how
funky, strong is your fight ♪
1069
00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:56.120
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
1070
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.810
♪ Just beat it ♪
1071
00:43:59.010 --> 00:44:00.100
♪ Beat it... ♪
1072
00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:02.460
I think of all of his
melodies and his songs,
1073
00:44:02.660 --> 00:44:04.300
and they're
completely percussive.
1074
00:44:04.330 --> 00:44:06.616
I mean, they're incredibly
rhythmically hooky,
1075
00:44:06.640 --> 00:44:09.480
and, you know, all those songs,
and the songs that he wrote
1076
00:44:09.600 --> 00:44:11.881
have these very aggressive
staccato rhythms.
1077
00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:15.080
I feel like "Billie Jean" and
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin',"
1078
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.640
they're really short and stabby.
1079
00:44:16.740 --> 00:44:18.946
They're always, like...
there's a tiny bit of, like,
1080
00:44:18.970 --> 00:44:21.230
anger and, like, contempt
in the... in the...
1081
00:44:21.430 --> 00:44:23.096
in the way that he's
singing and writing.
1082
00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:25.280
[Michael, a cappella]
♪ I know I am someone ♪
1083
00:44:25.390 --> 00:44:27.320
♪ And let the truth unfurl ♪
1084
00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:29.320
♪ No one can hurt you now ♪
1085
00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:31.280
♪ Because you know what's true ♪
1086
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.140
♪ Yes, I believe in me ♪
1087
00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:35.200
♪ So you believe in you ♪
1088
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.120
♪ Help me sing it ♪
1089
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.470
♪ Hoo-hoo! ♪
1090
00:44:38.670 --> 00:44:42.420
The greatest soul singers are
not afraid to feel the music,
1091
00:44:42.620 --> 00:44:44.820
you know, just do what the
music tells them to do.
1092
00:44:44.870 --> 00:44:48.230
For all the new cats,
all the new-school cats
1093
00:44:48.430 --> 00:44:50.800
that are going on
record and ad-libbing,
1094
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.130
and they say, like...
1095
00:44:52.330 --> 00:44:55.390
[aggressive staccato scatting]
1096
00:44:55.590 --> 00:44:58.520
I'm sorry, Michael
did that first.
1097
00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:00.370
I'll prove it to you.
1098
00:45:00.570 --> 00:45:04.150
[Michael, a cappella] ♪
So beat it, just beat it ♪
1099
00:45:04.350 --> 00:45:06.190
[brief staccato scatting]
1100
00:45:06.390 --> 00:45:07.390
♪ Beat it ♪
1101
00:45:07.580 --> 00:45:09.246
[Michael yawning
over beatboxing]
1102
00:45:09.270 --> 00:45:10.280
♪ Beat it ♪
1103
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.010
Why was he yawning
on a record, though?
1104
00:45:13.210 --> 00:45:14.320
It shows the freedom
1105
00:45:14.520 --> 00:45:16.550
and how comfortable
he felt in the studio
1106
00:45:16.750 --> 00:45:18.436
without worrying about
people's judgment
1107
00:45:18.460 --> 00:45:19.796
or, like, "Yo, what's that?"
1108
00:45:19.820 --> 00:45:21.966
Because you know he was
bringing the freaking skills.
1109
00:45:21.990 --> 00:45:25.440
You knew he was bringing
ultra talent and imagination,
1110
00:45:25.640 --> 00:45:27.320
for him to be like,
"You know what?
1111
00:45:27.470 --> 00:45:28.746
I feel like yawning right here."
1112
00:45:28.770 --> 00:45:31.050
[Michael yawning
over beatboxing]
1113
00:45:31.250 --> 00:45:32.970
♪ Beat it ♪
1114
00:45:33.170 --> 00:45:34.626
[Michael grunts dramatically]
1115
00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:36.746
I-I don't know what that
one is. I don't know what...
1116
00:45:36.770 --> 00:45:38.640
[laughing] I don't...
but I love it.
1117
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:40.890
And I'm listening
to his ad-libs.
1118
00:45:41.090 --> 00:45:42.330
He's doing all that...
1119
00:45:42.530 --> 00:45:44.620
[beatboxing]
1120
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:47.210
He's doing all this
rhythmic stuff.
1121
00:45:47.410 --> 00:45:49.840
♪ "Human Nature" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1122
00:45:50.040 --> 00:45:53.840
[Michael beatboxing as
instrumental track fades]
1123
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:04.540
[Ray] Michael had
such a clear vision
1124
00:46:04.740 --> 00:46:06.560
of what he wanted, and Quincy,
1125
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.080
he knows who wanted to
work with each other.
1126
00:46:09.270 --> 00:46:10.556
There's a number
of things going on.
1127
00:46:10.580 --> 00:46:12.530
We have "Beat It,"
drums being done
1128
00:46:12.730 --> 00:46:14.720
by Jeff Porcaro at Sunset Sound;
1129
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:18.030
Steve Lukather in
Studio B at Westlake;
1130
00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:20.640
Studio A, Quincy and Bruce.
1131
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:23.160
Quincy's going back and
forth between A and B,
1132
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:24.410
across the hallway.
1133
00:46:24.610 --> 00:46:27.270
Then you add the
E.T. storybook album,
1134
00:46:27.470 --> 00:46:30.420
and-and then... then
it's just a lot going on.
1135
00:46:30.620 --> 00:46:32.746
Quincy had become friends
with Steven Spielberg.
1136
00:46:32.770 --> 00:46:37.360
And I remember one day
he... Steven invited Quincy
1137
00:46:37.560 --> 00:46:40.300
down to the set when
he was working on E.T.
1138
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.780
And, uh, E.T. was there,
1139
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:44.506
and the guys who were operating
it at the time were there.
1140
00:46:44.530 --> 00:46:46.006
And I think somewhere
in the course of it,
1141
00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:47.756
Steven had said to
Quincy, said, "You know,
1142
00:46:47.780 --> 00:46:49.650
"I want to do a
rec... we should do
1143
00:46:49.850 --> 00:46:51.390
a record of some sort."
1144
00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:53.420
[Branca] So Quincy, I think,
1145
00:46:53.620 --> 00:46:55.100
came to Michael and-and said,
1146
00:46:55.190 --> 00:46:58.740
"Steven wants us to do
the E.T. storybook album,"
1147
00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.226
where Michael would
narrate the story of E.T.
1148
00:47:01.250 --> 00:47:04.370
and Michael would write and
sing a song for the album.
1149
00:47:04.870 --> 00:47:06.716
[Eckstine] And Michael
was a big fan, too,
1150
00:47:06.740 --> 00:47:08.096
so, "Quincy, let's do this."
1151
00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:11.380
So they started doing it in
the midst of doing Thriller.
1152
00:47:11.580 --> 00:47:15.380
I've always loved film, and, uh,
1153
00:47:15.580 --> 00:47:17.740
we're talking, in the
stage of doing, uh,
1154
00:47:17.850 --> 00:47:21.370
Quincy Jones and myself
and Steven Spielberg,
1155
00:47:21.570 --> 00:47:23.410
uh, working on a project.
1156
00:47:23.610 --> 00:47:25.640
[Branca] The problem
is nobody bothered
1157
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.460
to call Walter Yetnikoff
1158
00:47:27.660 --> 00:47:29.810
and clear the rights
because the album was
1159
00:47:30.010 --> 00:47:32.600
going out on
Universal MCA's label.
1160
00:47:33.190 --> 00:47:36.400
I'll never forget, uh, one
day, I was at a-a meeting
1161
00:47:36.600 --> 00:47:38.990
and I get a call, so
I get on the phone
1162
00:47:39.190 --> 00:47:42.430
and Walter says, "Tell Michael
to stop kissing the monster."
1163
00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:44.620
"Walter, what are
you talking about?"
1164
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:46.196
"Stop kissing the monster!"
1165
00:47:46.220 --> 00:47:49.480
So, if you look at the
E.T. storybook album,
1166
00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:51.306
Michael's got his
arm around E.T.
1167
00:47:51.330 --> 00:47:53.716
They're like pals, and that's
what Walter was talking about.
1168
00:47:53.740 --> 00:47:54.996
It wasn't just an album.
1169
00:47:55.020 --> 00:47:56.706
It was a whole box
set with posters
1170
00:47:56.730 --> 00:47:59.380
and a picture of
Michael with E.T.
1171
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.030
So Walter filed an
injunction against,
1172
00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:05.910
uh, MCA and Universal
1173
00:48:06.110 --> 00:48:08.580
and made them take the
album out of the stores.
1174
00:48:08.780 --> 00:48:11.300
It was already shipped.
It was already a huge hit.
1175
00:48:11.470 --> 00:48:12.880
They had to pull the album back.
1176
00:48:13.080 --> 00:48:15.570
Epic wasn't happy, and
they felt it was sort of
1177
00:48:15.770 --> 00:48:18.590
holding up their record,
the-the Thriller record.
1178
00:48:18.790 --> 00:48:20.036
Yeah, they sued, you know.
1179
00:48:20.060 --> 00:48:21.806
"No, you can't have our
artist, da-da-da-da-da."
1180
00:48:21.830 --> 00:48:24.240
You know, and Walter
was litigious anyway,
1181
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:26.580
and so he-he went...
he went in hard.
1182
00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:28.370
And MCA responded hard,
1183
00:48:28.570 --> 00:48:30.136
and it was, you know,
all hell broke loose.
1184
00:48:30.160 --> 00:48:32.850
[Branca] And he said,
"John, is he mad at me?"
1185
00:48:33.050 --> 00:48:35.610
I said, "What do you
think, Walter?" [laughs]
1186
00:48:35.810 --> 00:48:38.590
"You-you just sued him
and Steven Spielberg
1187
00:48:38.790 --> 00:48:40.840
and Quincy Jones,
and you wonder...
1188
00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:43.030
you're wondering if
he's mad at you?"
1189
00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:46.990
Uh, and he goes, "What
can I do to make it up?"
1190
00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:49.126
And I said, "You
give him the owner...
1191
00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:50.756
ownership of his
master recordings:
1192
00:48:50.780 --> 00:48:52.906
Off the Wall, Thriller
and everything to come."
1193
00:48:52.930 --> 00:48:53.940
And he said, "Done."
1194
00:48:54.140 --> 00:48:57.340
To get your masters back in
the middle of a contract,
1195
00:48:57.540 --> 00:49:00.110
I don't think had
ever, ever happened.
1196
00:49:00.310 --> 00:49:02.470
♪ "Carousel" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1197
00:49:02.670 --> 00:49:04.266
[Ray] Rod came with his songs.
1198
00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:05.370
Michael had his songs.
1199
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:06.956
And if those
worked, they worked.
1200
00:49:06.980 --> 00:49:09.300
If they didn't, they-they
went looking elsewhere.
1201
00:49:09.380 --> 00:49:11.520
♪ I lost my heart ♪
1202
00:49:11.720 --> 00:49:14.860
♪ On the carousel ♪
1203
00:49:15.050 --> 00:49:17.460
♪ To a circus girl ♪
1204
00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:21.340
♪ Who left my heart
in pieces... ♪
1205
00:49:21.540 --> 00:49:23.800
[Jones] "Carousel"
was a great song,
1206
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.281
and fortunately or
unfortunately, you know,
1207
00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:27.740
there was only room on the album
1208
00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:32.250
for one mood like, uh,
"Carousel" or-or "Human Nature,"
1209
00:49:32.450 --> 00:49:36.130
and "Human Nature" was the
choice we had to make, you know.
1210
00:49:36.330 --> 00:49:37.770
Toto was big at that time.
1211
00:49:37.850 --> 00:49:40.050
[Jones] Toto, who
I just adored,
1212
00:49:40.250 --> 00:49:42.780
we worked together a lot,
and, um, they sent over
1213
00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:46.370
two demos that they thought
would be right for Michael,
1214
00:49:46.570 --> 00:49:48.160
and all of a sudden, there's...
1215
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.480
at the end, there
was all this silence.
1216
00:49:50.510 --> 00:49:51.950
And then it said... it said...
1217
00:49:52.030 --> 00:49:53.580
♪ Why, why? ♪
1218
00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:55.560
[scatting "Human Nature" melody]
1219
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.790
♪ Why? ♪
1220
00:49:56.990 --> 00:49:58.346
And-and I tell you, I get...
1221
00:49:58.370 --> 00:50:00.116
I get goose bumps
just talking about it.
1222
00:50:00.140 --> 00:50:02.720
And I said, "What the
hell is that?" You know?
1223
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:04.400
That's what took "Carousel" out.
1224
00:50:04.600 --> 00:50:06.106
I said, "This is
where we want to go,"
1225
00:50:06.130 --> 00:50:08.680
'cause it's got such a...
a-a wonderful flavor.
1226
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.986
- [crowd cheering]
- [Michael] I'll tell you what.
1227
00:50:11.010 --> 00:50:14.220
Tonight, I want to do...
1228
00:50:14.850 --> 00:50:17.650
one of my favorite songs.
1229
00:50:17.850 --> 00:50:20.020
♪ I touched her shoulder ♪
1230
00:50:20.220 --> 00:50:23.800
♪ She likes the way I stare ♪
1231
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.280
♪ And they say, "Why?" ♪
1232
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:27.510
Everybody sing!
1233
00:50:27.710 --> 00:50:30.100
♪ Tell them that
it's human nature ♪
1234
00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:33.700
♪ Why, why does he
do me that way? ♪
1235
00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:37.020
The song that always haunts
me is "Human Nature."
1236
00:50:37.220 --> 00:50:38.900
- [chuckles]
- [exhales sharply]
1237
00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:40.766
- Um... Yeah.
- What a beautiful record.
1238
00:50:40.790 --> 00:50:42.226
That's-that's one of those
records that you just say,
1239
00:50:42.250 --> 00:50:44.440
"I wish I would've did
that record." [laughs]
1240
00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:46.760
And that always,
for me, is the...
1241
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.200
the test of if I love it or not.
1242
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.500
[Michael] I remember one
experience in the studio,
1243
00:50:53.690 --> 00:50:55.810
Rod Temperton, one of
the writers on the album,
1244
00:50:56.010 --> 00:50:58.520
and he said, "Michael, if
you only had three hits
1245
00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:01.320
off this album, would
you not be happy?"
1246
00:51:01.520 --> 00:51:03.000
I said, "I'd be very angry."
1247
00:51:03.200 --> 00:51:04.800
And they all started laughing.
1248
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.590
I said, "I expect eight
hits off of this album.
1249
00:51:08.790 --> 00:51:10.050
Nine, all of 'em."
1250
00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:12.660
[Michael Jackson's
"Human Nature" playing]
1251
00:51:12.860 --> 00:51:14.216
That is how I am. I'm sorry.
1252
00:51:14.240 --> 00:51:16.940
And my attitude was always
reaching out for more.
1253
00:51:17.130 --> 00:51:18.730
Never being satisfied.
1254
00:51:18.930 --> 00:51:23.210
And right at this very moment,
I'm on my fifth hit record.
1255
00:51:23.710 --> 00:51:26.070
Five. "Human Nature"
is number ten.
1256
00:51:26.270 --> 00:51:29.910
And I've broken a record that
has never been done before...
1257
00:51:30.110 --> 00:51:31.546
five hit songs for one album.
1258
00:51:31.570 --> 00:51:36.510
Always reaching out for more,
striving for excellence.
1259
00:51:39.470 --> 00:51:41.690
[Ray] It's so engaging
1260
00:51:41.890 --> 00:51:43.650
because the idea
1261
00:51:43.850 --> 00:51:45.366
was to have something
for everyone.
1262
00:51:45.390 --> 00:51:47.996
There was a song that I didn't
really know too much about
1263
00:51:48.020 --> 00:51:49.266
that was called "Starlight,"
1264
00:51:49.290 --> 00:51:51.650
and it was a disco song
that Rod Temperton wrote.
1265
00:51:51.770 --> 00:51:55.580
You know, so it
really evolved from
1266
00:51:55.780 --> 00:51:59.190
this click here at 1:18.
1267
00:51:59.390 --> 00:52:02.110
And so, okay, we lay the
click down, and the idea was:
1268
00:52:02.300 --> 00:52:04.326
"Let's put it... let's
put a new version down.
1269
00:52:04.350 --> 00:52:06.686
Let's put some tracks down
and see where it goes."
1270
00:52:06.710 --> 00:52:08.740
So we-we started
with this drumbeat.
1271
00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:10.206
[synthesized drumbeat playing]
1272
00:52:10.230 --> 00:52:13.510
Four on the floor,
kind of dance song.
1273
00:52:13.970 --> 00:52:16.810
And then... backbeat.
1274
00:52:17.010 --> 00:52:19.790
[drumbeat continues]
1275
00:52:19.990 --> 00:52:21.580
Claps on the four.
1276
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:25.000
[synthesized handclaps
add to the beat]
1277
00:52:25.200 --> 00:52:28.520
And then the hi-hat
part was like this.
1278
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.280
Five, six, seven, eight.
1279
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.700
[drumbeat continues]
1280
00:52:35.070 --> 00:52:37.530
And then open hat.
1281
00:52:39.330 --> 00:52:40.980
There we go.
1282
00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:43.500
And then the cowbell.
1283
00:52:51.670 --> 00:52:52.860
Here we go.
1284
00:52:53.060 --> 00:52:55.280
So, another thing about
Michael and Quincy
1285
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:56.220
is they like kind of like
1286
00:52:56.420 --> 00:52:58.500
a little bit of a
feel to the music.
1287
00:52:58.690 --> 00:53:00.160
So, this is straight time.
1288
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.190
And then we add a little
bit of shuffle to it
1289
00:53:03.390 --> 00:53:07.270
so it just kind of pushes
it a little bit like that.
1290
00:53:07.470 --> 00:53:08.470
So it's in.
1291
00:53:08.580 --> 00:53:13.090
And then the bass line ended
up being kind of like a...
1292
00:53:13.290 --> 00:53:15.090
something I never
would have expected,
1293
00:53:15.150 --> 00:53:17.680
like a little bit of a
Latin rhythm, like...
1294
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.530
[imitating drum and bass beat]
1295
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.920
Which sounded like a
conga line to me, but...
1296
00:53:24.120 --> 00:53:27.110
[playing synthesized bass line]
1297
00:53:27.310 --> 00:53:29.210
And there was the-the opening.
1298
00:53:29.410 --> 00:53:33.010
[playing "Thriller"
synthesizer melody]
1299
00:53:33.210 --> 00:53:36.260
♪ "Thriller" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1300
00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:38.990
♪♪♪
1301
00:53:39.190 --> 00:53:40.560
[wolf howling]
1302
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:42.636
[Phillinganes] Just layering
all the parts to "Thriller"
1303
00:53:42.660 --> 00:53:46.430
was one of the most fun sessions
I've ever done in my life.
1304
00:53:46.980 --> 00:53:49.020
[Yetnikoff] At 24,
Michael had become more
1305
00:53:49.120 --> 00:53:51.900
than a master singer,
dancer, songwriter.
1306
00:53:52.100 --> 00:53:54.840
He was a super salesman
of his own mystique.
1307
00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:58.100
Michael's passion for world
conquest was singular.
1308
00:53:58.300 --> 00:54:02.200
He lived, breathed,
slept, dreamt and spoke
1309
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.450
of nothing but
number one successes.
1310
00:54:06.540 --> 00:54:08.406
Thriller stayed
number one for months.
1311
00:54:08.430 --> 00:54:12.170
In the long period of its
unprecedented success, however,
1312
00:54:12.370 --> 00:54:15.780
when it occasionally fell to
second place for a week or two,
1313
00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:17.620
Michael panicked.
1314
00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:19.220
Hysterical, he'd berate me
1315
00:54:19.420 --> 00:54:21.770
for failing to pump
up the promotion.
1316
00:54:21.970 --> 00:54:23.560
"I'm pumping, Michael," I'd say.
1317
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:25.370
"I promise you I'm pumping."
1318
00:54:25.570 --> 00:54:26.930
And I was.
1319
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.200
[Ivory] After
Thriller had sold
1320
00:54:29.390 --> 00:54:31.650
about three or four
million copies,
1321
00:54:31.850 --> 00:54:33.420
I got a call about 12 noon.
1322
00:54:33.620 --> 00:54:35.880
On the phone was the
record company saying,
1323
00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:37.626
"Hey, listen, if
you're not busy,
1324
00:54:37.650 --> 00:54:40.240
we need you to get
over here right now."
1325
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.950
Michael was going to
be presented a-a plaque
1326
00:54:44.150 --> 00:54:46.140
for the-the Thriller record.
1327
00:54:46.340 --> 00:54:49.500
And we were wondering,
why were we waiting?
1328
00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:52.400
In came Jane Fonda.
1329
00:54:52.600 --> 00:54:53.940
Jane?
1330
00:54:54.140 --> 00:54:56.500
[applause]
1331
00:54:58.420 --> 00:55:00.410
I love Michael,
and I admire him.
1332
00:55:00.610 --> 00:55:02.891
He's the only person I
know that writes music
1333
00:55:03.030 --> 00:55:04.850
that you can dream
to and dance to
1334
00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:06.500
and love to and work out to.
1335
00:55:06.700 --> 00:55:08.026
And I do all of 'em to it.
1336
00:55:08.050 --> 00:55:10.130
- Come here, Michael.
- [applause]
1337
00:55:10.330 --> 00:55:11.810
[Ivory] In retrospect, I know
1338
00:55:11.910 --> 00:55:14.310
exactly what he was doing.
1339
00:55:14.900 --> 00:55:16.876
He understood the
importance of having
1340
00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:20.800
a big white star
giving him this plaque.
1341
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.180
Uh, Michael has a number one
single on the pop charts,
1342
00:55:24.380 --> 00:55:26.370
number one album
on the pop charts,
1343
00:55:26.570 --> 00:55:29.750
number one single on
the R and B charts,
1344
00:55:29.950 --> 00:55:32.190
number one album on
the R and B charts.
1345
00:55:32.390 --> 00:55:33.830
And I think that starts...
1346
00:55:34.020 --> 00:55:35.820
that's sort of an
historic record.
1347
00:55:36.020 --> 00:55:37.896
[Maxwell] But I don't
think we understood
1348
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.360
where it was gonna go until
1349
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.620
the "Thriller" video came out.
1350
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.560
♪ Suspenseful orchestral music ♪
1351
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.340
♪♪♪
1352
00:55:45.850 --> 00:55:47.356
[Branca] As far as
the record company
1353
00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:49.520
was concerned, the
album cycle was done.
1354
00:55:49.720 --> 00:55:51.556
They were thrilled
with whatever it sold,
1355
00:55:51.580 --> 00:55:54.800
and Michael said, "No, no,
we're gonna... we got more."
1356
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.040
"Thriller," of all the
songs on the album,
1357
00:55:57.190 --> 00:56:01.220
uh, seems like you can do
much more video-wise...
1358
00:56:01.420 --> 00:56:03.990
no, movie-wise...
than any of the songs
1359
00:56:04.190 --> 00:56:06.200
'cause of the story
and all the visuals
1360
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.600
and monsters and stuff.
1361
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:10.240
And so I came up with an idea
1362
00:56:10.410 --> 00:56:12.960
of thinking that I
really want to change,
1363
00:56:13.160 --> 00:56:16.510
metamorphosis into
some other creature.
1364
00:56:16.710 --> 00:56:19.860
I... and I-I saw American
Werewolf In London.
1365
00:56:20.060 --> 00:56:21.890
I really liked it.
1366
00:56:22.090 --> 00:56:24.580
And-and I said, "Who's
the director who did it?"
1367
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:26.336
And they said, "John
Landis, John Landis."
1368
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.336
I said, "Great. That's
who we got to get."
1369
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.430
So I said, "Get in
touch with him."
1370
00:56:30.970 --> 00:56:33.010
[John Landis] So I get
this call, and he says,
1371
00:56:33.080 --> 00:56:35.480
"Michael Jackson," and
I really thought...
1372
00:56:35.980 --> 00:56:38.010
"Little Michael Jackson
of The Jackson 5?"
1373
00:56:38.210 --> 00:56:40.126
I mean, I thought,
"He's a kid," you know?
1374
00:56:40.150 --> 00:56:42.230
And he told me he had
a song, "Thriller,"
1375
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:44.220
and he wanted me
to make a video.
1376
00:56:44.420 --> 00:56:45.420
And I said, "Why?"
1377
00:56:45.610 --> 00:56:47.490
His brother showed
him on the bus
1378
00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:50.500
the tape of American Werewolf,
I think to scare him,
1379
00:56:50.700 --> 00:56:52.546
but he loved American
Werewolf in London.
1380
00:56:52.570 --> 00:56:56.730
And he was obviously fascinated
with Rick Baker's work.
1381
00:56:56.930 --> 00:56:59.290
[roaring]
1382
00:56:59.960 --> 00:57:01.840
And so he called me and said,
1383
00:57:02.040 --> 00:57:04.016
"I want to turn into a
monster. Will you do it?"
1384
00:57:04.040 --> 00:57:06.410
And the record label
wouldn't pay for it.
1385
00:57:06.610 --> 00:57:08.490
And, uh... and we
talked, and I said,
1386
00:57:08.630 --> 00:57:10.656
"Michael, you know, you
shouldn't pay for this.
1387
00:57:10.680 --> 00:57:13.150
You shouldn't pay
for it yourself."
1388
00:57:13.350 --> 00:57:15.170
And he said, "Branca,
figure it out."
1389
00:57:15.370 --> 00:57:17.150
Nobody wanted him to do this.
1390
00:57:17.350 --> 00:57:19.480
This was entirely his own thing.
1391
00:57:19.680 --> 00:57:23.360
And everybody else... his
people and the record company...
1392
00:57:23.560 --> 00:57:27.350
said, "Next album. Let's...
We've already... Michael, hello.
1393
00:57:27.550 --> 00:57:30.890
It's the most successful
album of all time. We want..."
1394
00:57:31.090 --> 00:57:34.000
So they thought
"Thriller" was outrageous.
1395
00:57:34.200 --> 00:57:36.420
[George] Its budget was
$1.2 million dollars.
1396
00:57:36.620 --> 00:57:39.100
That's at a time when the
average music video budget
1397
00:57:39.220 --> 00:57:40.550
was only $50,000 dollars.
1398
00:57:40.750 --> 00:57:43.860
So I went... I went back to the
office and thought about it.
1399
00:57:44.060 --> 00:57:46.700
And I thought up this
idea of a making-of.
1400
00:57:46.900 --> 00:57:48.220
Went to MTV and Showtime,
1401
00:57:48.340 --> 00:57:50.660
and-and Michael was the
biggest thing on the planet.
1402
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.006
And I said, "We'll give you
1403
00:57:52.030 --> 00:57:53.630
a making of
Michael's next video.
1404
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:54.960
We need a million two."
1405
00:57:55.160 --> 00:57:57.860
And they came back,
and they said yes.
1406
00:57:58.060 --> 00:57:59.386
[Michael] We're
trying to bring back
1407
00:57:59.410 --> 00:58:00.730
the motion picture shorts,
1408
00:58:00.810 --> 00:58:03.740
which we will do with,
uh... with "Thriller."
1409
00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:05.916
A lot of the videos... I
hate to use the word "video"
1410
00:58:05.940 --> 00:58:08.546
'cause I like to think of
it as a film, which it is...
1411
00:58:08.570 --> 00:58:12.370
we're doing a short film...
a lot of 'em are so terrible.
1412
00:58:12.570 --> 00:58:15.050
And I wanted "Thriller" and
"Beat It" to be a stimulant
1413
00:58:15.200 --> 00:58:18.520
for people to make better
videos or short films.
1414
00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:23.070
I really did, 'cause, I mean,
I love MTV, watching it.
1415
00:58:23.270 --> 00:58:24.666
You know, I think it's great,
1416
00:58:24.690 --> 00:58:27.340
but a lot of stuff I see,
I'm not so crazy about.
1417
00:58:27.540 --> 00:58:29.500
[Landis] He wanted
to turn into a...
1418
00:58:29.550 --> 00:58:30.670
at first, a-a wolf man,
1419
00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:35.210
like the werewolf in
American Werewolf.
1420
00:58:35.410 --> 00:58:36.480
[growling]
1421
00:58:36.680 --> 00:58:40.500
His desire was to
turn into a monster
1422
00:58:40.700 --> 00:58:41.960
on camera.
1423
00:58:42.160 --> 00:58:44.280
We had the character turn into
1424
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.720
a four-legged hound
from hell, a...
1425
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:49.390
you know, a beast.
1426
00:58:49.590 --> 00:58:52.600
And Michael wanted to
do that, and I told him,
1427
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:54.750
"Michael, it would
be so difficult
1428
00:58:54.950 --> 00:58:56.310
for you to dance with four legs,
1429
00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:58.670
you know, and for
the puppeteers.
1430
00:58:58.870 --> 00:58:59.380
No."
1431
00:58:59.580 --> 00:59:01.110
So then it was gonna be
1432
00:59:01.310 --> 00:59:03.630
more of a traditional
wolf man character.
1433
00:59:03.830 --> 00:59:08.030
And Rick Baker did the first
design, and it was great
1434
00:59:08.230 --> 00:59:11.030
but truly terrifying.
1435
00:59:11.230 --> 00:59:13.200
And I said, "Aah!
Whatever we have him
1436
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:15.770
turn into, he's got
to be attractive."
1437
00:59:15.970 --> 00:59:18.400
Scary but...
1438
00:59:18.600 --> 00:59:21.130
kind of cool and
elegant, you know?
1439
00:59:21.330 --> 00:59:25.510
So his second design, he
made him that "were-cat,"
1440
00:59:25.710 --> 00:59:28.680
and it's a much more
graceful design.
1441
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.280
Are you all right?
1442
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.890
- Go away!
- [screams]
1443
00:59:33.090 --> 00:59:34.450
[roaring]
1444
00:59:34.650 --> 00:59:37.160
♪ "Thriller" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1445
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.730
♪♪♪
1446
00:59:38.930 --> 00:59:40.986
[Deborah Nadoolman Landis]
Michael Jackson was
1447
00:59:41.010 --> 00:59:42.230
a very slight person.
1448
00:59:42.430 --> 00:59:45.210
99 pounds soaking wet.
1449
00:59:45.410 --> 00:59:49.220
So, how do you develop
a presence on screen?
1450
00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:50.430
For "Thriller,"
1451
00:59:50.630 --> 00:59:52.200
you know, it was supposed to be
1452
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.760
a satire of a
teenage horror film,
1453
00:59:54.970 --> 00:59:56.330
so he's in a letterman's jacket.
1454
00:59:56.380 --> 01:00:00.150
And then, with his red
jacket for that theater,
1455
01:00:00.350 --> 01:00:03.940
I was trying to create
a silhouette that was
1456
01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:08.630
sexy, masculine, impressive,
1457
01:00:08.830 --> 01:00:14.490
and... and gave him
weight on screen.
1458
01:00:15.240 --> 01:00:17.980
[John Landis] So, with
Michael's fascination
1459
01:00:18.180 --> 01:00:21.980
with monsters, I said, "Well,
you'll become two monsters.
1460
01:00:22.180 --> 01:00:23.500
You'll become a werewolf,"
1461
01:00:23.640 --> 01:00:27.650
and then when we decided on
dancing zombies, a zombie.
1462
01:00:27.850 --> 01:00:29.490
Doesn't make sense,
but who cares?
1463
01:00:29.520 --> 01:00:31.550
You know, it's a fantasy.
1464
01:00:32.340 --> 01:00:35.450
And he really enjoyed the
process of the makeup,
1465
01:00:35.650 --> 01:00:38.430
and he really enjoyed
wearing the makeup.
1466
01:00:38.630 --> 01:00:41.370
Most actors hate
it, and he loved it.
1467
01:00:41.570 --> 01:00:43.380
He's so dynamic, Mike,
1468
01:00:43.580 --> 01:00:45.520
and he has such
power and such charm.
1469
01:00:45.720 --> 01:00:49.320
As I had seen it, just
looking at, you know,
1470
01:00:49.520 --> 01:00:52.050
"Can You Feel It"
and everything I saw,
1471
01:00:52.250 --> 01:00:56.100
it's like, "Why isn't
he being sexual?"
1472
01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:58.410
I mean, he's a rock star.
1473
01:00:58.610 --> 01:01:01.920
So one of the first
things for me was
1474
01:01:02.120 --> 01:01:06.230
I wanted a girl to make him sexy
1475
01:01:06.430 --> 01:01:08.090
and to also...
1476
01:01:08.290 --> 01:01:12.130
to be gaga in love with him.
1477
01:01:12.330 --> 01:01:14.620
The big eyes, you know.
1478
01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:18.430
And I saw over a
hundred actresses
1479
01:01:18.630 --> 01:01:20.550
and dancers and all
kinds of people.
1480
01:01:20.700 --> 01:01:22.080
And when Ola came in,
1481
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.960
one, she was
desperate, desperate
1482
01:01:25.160 --> 01:01:28.400
to be with Michael Jackson,
and she was adorable.
1483
01:01:28.600 --> 01:01:31.300
[Ola Ray] Michael Jackson
isn't Michael Jackson
1484
01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:33.180
as a werewolf.
1485
01:01:33.380 --> 01:01:35.740
Michael Jackson is
1486
01:01:35.940 --> 01:01:38.740
another person
totally with the mask.
1487
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:41.660
And I like, you know,
when he's so shy.
1488
01:01:41.860 --> 01:01:43.580
I have something I
want to tell you.
1489
01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:45.540
[John Landis] The
only time I really
1490
01:01:45.580 --> 01:01:48.036
explained something to him,
I said, "You know, Michael,
1491
01:01:48.060 --> 01:01:52.010
I want you to know when you say,
'I'm not like other guys'..."
1492
01:01:52.210 --> 01:01:54.160
I'm not like other guys.
1493
01:01:54.350 --> 01:01:56.170
"...it will get a laugh."
1494
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.586
And he was clueless. He said,
"Why would this get a laugh?"
1495
01:01:59.610 --> 01:02:01.776
I said, "Because you're
not like other guys."
1496
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:04.680
But at least he was prepared,
'cause it got a huge laugh
1497
01:02:04.780 --> 01:02:07.880
and, uh... and so
he was in on it.
1498
01:02:08.080 --> 01:02:11.090
You know, I think he would have
been terribly upset otherwise.
1499
01:02:11.290 --> 01:02:13.380
[Rich] From the
beginning of the film,
1500
01:02:13.580 --> 01:02:15.860
going to the theater,
1501
01:02:16.060 --> 01:02:18.126
then you're walking out,
and then Michael has
1502
01:02:18.150 --> 01:02:19.356
that cat-and-mouse sort of, uh,
1503
01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:21.100
walk that he's
doing with Ola Ray.
1504
01:02:21.260 --> 01:02:25.370
That's like an ode back to, uh,
classic, uh, musicals, right?
1505
01:02:25.570 --> 01:02:26.690
The cat-and-mouse chase.
1506
01:02:26.870 --> 01:02:28.716
Right? Th-Then, you
know, the-the man
1507
01:02:28.740 --> 01:02:30.516
playing up to the
woman and all that.
1508
01:02:30.540 --> 01:02:32.076
[John Landis] And
it's a dolly shot.
1509
01:02:32.100 --> 01:02:35.820
And I said, "Mike, here's
what we're gonna do.
1510
01:02:36.020 --> 01:02:38.930
As long as Ola
could keep the beat,
1511
01:02:39.130 --> 01:02:40.600
you do those lyrics,
1512
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.850
you can never be more than
this many feet away from her."
1513
01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:46.366
[Deborah Nadoolman Landis]
The big difference between
1514
01:02:46.390 --> 01:02:49.440
a costume designer and
a fashion designer is,
1515
01:02:49.640 --> 01:02:52.650
for us, it's all about
dramatic context.
1516
01:02:52.850 --> 01:02:54.330
So, where are they gonna be?
1517
01:02:54.520 --> 01:02:57.450
They're gonna be in an
alley and a movie theater.
1518
01:02:57.650 --> 01:02:58.930
And what are they doing?
1519
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:01.530
They're on a date,
and Michael is gonna
1520
01:03:01.740 --> 01:03:04.640
be playful and be seductive.
1521
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:06.410
She's dressed in blue.
1522
01:03:06.610 --> 01:03:07.690
She's cool.
1523
01:03:07.890 --> 01:03:10.650
She's relaxed. She's in jeans.
1524
01:03:10.850 --> 01:03:13.570
They did have a
leopard print on them,
1525
01:03:13.770 --> 01:03:16.700
but, you know, tight
jeans, little jacket.
1526
01:03:16.900 --> 01:03:18.360
She couldn't have been cuter.
1527
01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:20.280
I think, to the audience,
1528
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.080
with what she's wearing
and her attitude,
1529
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.710
she's sending off
every good vibe.
1530
01:03:25.900 --> 01:03:28.420
And I'll say, "Okay,
well, that was fine.
1531
01:03:28.620 --> 01:03:30.150
I don't want fine.
1532
01:03:30.350 --> 01:03:32.590
You're Michael Jackson,
1533
01:03:32.790 --> 01:03:35.550
so it has to be great.
1534
01:03:35.750 --> 01:03:37.400
Because if you can't be great,
1535
01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:39.680
why the fuck do I have
Michael Jackson here?"
1536
01:03:39.790 --> 01:03:42.310
So he goes, "Okay, John."
1537
01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:43.780
And he did the next take.
1538
01:03:43.860 --> 01:03:45.810
He was great!
[laughs] You know?
1539
01:03:46.010 --> 01:03:51.170
♪ For you and I to cuddle
close together, yeah ♪
1540
01:03:51.370 --> 01:03:53.480
♪ All through the night ♪
1541
01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:56.570
♪ I'll save you from the
terror on the screen ♪
1542
01:03:56.770 --> 01:03:58.090
♪ I'll make you see... ♪
1543
01:03:58.290 --> 01:04:00.780
[John Landis] Michael
Peters and Michael Jackson
1544
01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:02.600
came up with the choreography,
1545
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:04.560
and it's fascinating
choreography
1546
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.540
because the dancers were allowed
1547
01:04:07.740 --> 01:04:10.500
more rehearsal than usual.
1548
01:04:10.700 --> 01:04:12.250
At that point already,
1549
01:04:12.450 --> 01:04:15.590
Michael had established
certain moves,
1550
01:04:15.790 --> 01:04:20.030
so my first instruction to
Michael Peters was spooky,
1551
01:04:20.230 --> 01:04:22.370
and the second one was:
1552
01:04:22.570 --> 01:04:24.640
"I don't want any Michael move."
1553
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.700
♪ suspenseful orchestral music ♪
1554
01:04:27.900 --> 01:04:30.120
♪ "Thriller" by
Michael Jackson ♪
1555
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.750
♪♪♪
1556
01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:44.180
[Rich] And they go into this
1557
01:04:44.380 --> 01:04:45.530
popping routine, right?
1558
01:04:45.730 --> 01:04:48.610
This goes back to the whole
thing of where Michael Jackson
1559
01:04:48.780 --> 01:04:51.640
crosses the technique and
the street world, right?
1560
01:04:51.850 --> 01:04:54.130
♪♪♪
1561
01:04:54.330 --> 01:04:58.590
And he was so inspired by
popping and waving and all that
1562
01:04:58.790 --> 01:05:01.550
so that he had to
put them in the film.
1563
01:05:01.750 --> 01:05:03.640
How would a zombie dance?
1564
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:05.910
And then looking at
it, and it was...
1565
01:05:06.110 --> 01:05:07.720
it just made a
lot of sense to me
1566
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:11.440
that they weren't just locking
or they just weren't popping
1567
01:05:11.640 --> 01:05:14.440
or they just weren't
doing jazz dance.
1568
01:05:14.640 --> 01:05:18.550
The angles, the
lines were all...
1569
01:05:18.750 --> 01:05:21.070
demented and crooked, and it...
1570
01:05:21.270 --> 01:05:23.740
I'd just never seen
anything like that before.
1571
01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:26.550
♪ 'Cause this is thriller ♪
1572
01:05:26.750 --> 01:05:28.100
♪ Thriller night... ♪
1573
01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:30.216
[Deborah Nadoolman
Landis] On those zombies,
1574
01:05:30.240 --> 01:05:31.946
those costumes were
just made of rags.
1575
01:05:31.970 --> 01:05:36.880
We call it aging,
distressing and dying.
1576
01:05:37.080 --> 01:05:39.280
Then, of course,
Rick Baker's work
1577
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.700
was just masterful on everybody.
1578
01:05:42.900 --> 01:05:44.680
♪ Thriller night ♪
1579
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.240
♪ 'Cause I can thrill you more ♪
1580
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.990
♪ Than any ghoul
would ever dare try ♪
1581
01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:00.590
This is a song about
watching a movie.
1582
01:06:00.790 --> 01:06:02.900
Yo. A Blockbuster night.
1583
01:06:03.100 --> 01:06:04.620
[laughs] He made
a whole movie.
1584
01:06:04.770 --> 01:06:05.950
He entertained us.
1585
01:06:06.150 --> 01:06:08.030
He gave us R and B,
he gave us horror,
1586
01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:11.250
he gave us sci-fi, but he
gave it all to us in music.
1587
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:12.770
He-he was just a-amazing.
1588
01:06:12.970 --> 01:06:14.966
[John Landis] After
the video came out,
1589
01:06:14.990 --> 01:06:16.600
it tripled its sales.
1590
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:18.500
They sold six million of these.
1591
01:06:18.700 --> 01:06:20.650
This made MTV a powerhouse
1592
01:06:20.850 --> 01:06:24.180
and then created this
whole rock video business.
1593
01:06:24.370 --> 01:06:25.570
It was extraordinary.
1594
01:06:25.770 --> 01:06:27.626
[Deborah Nadoolman Landis]
And it's that moment when
1595
01:06:27.650 --> 01:06:29.660
the audience falls
madly in love,
1596
01:06:29.860 --> 01:06:32.560
that the audience
creates the icons.
1597
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.486
[Branca] He could
write the songs.
1598
01:06:34.510 --> 01:06:35.670
He could produce them.
1599
01:06:35.870 --> 01:06:37.170
He could sing them.
1600
01:06:37.370 --> 01:06:38.716
He could perform like no other.
1601
01:06:38.740 --> 01:06:40.570
And he also was a fashion icon.
1602
01:06:40.770 --> 01:06:43.070
I've seen little tiny
kids in red jackets.
1603
01:06:43.270 --> 01:06:45.470
I've seen old grandpas
in red jackets.
1604
01:06:45.670 --> 01:06:47.090
I've seen girls in red jackets.
1605
01:06:47.290 --> 01:06:49.830
I've seen everybody
wearing that jacket.
1606
01:06:50.030 --> 01:06:51.600
It was huge worldwide.
1607
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.400
They were buying the leather
jackets that Michael...
1608
01:06:54.470 --> 01:06:55.866
They were buying everything.
1609
01:06:55.890 --> 01:06:58.290
They were buying Michael
Jackson posters, calendars.
1610
01:06:58.490 --> 01:07:01.050
♪ Looks so much like
Michael from head to toe ♪
1611
01:07:01.240 --> 01:07:03.726
♪ Put the mic in his hand
and he'll steal the show ♪
1612
01:07:03.750 --> 01:07:05.550
[all] I love you,
Michael Jackson.
1613
01:07:05.650 --> 01:07:07.250
[crowd chanting]
Michael Jackson!
1614
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.480
[woman] Anything with
Michael Jackson on it
1615
01:07:09.590 --> 01:07:10.740
does continue to sell.
1616
01:07:10.940 --> 01:07:12.716
[man] I work in a record
store, and it still
1617
01:07:12.740 --> 01:07:14.716
just flies out of
the store every week.
1618
01:07:14.740 --> 01:07:16.100
And we're talking about a record
1619
01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:18.650
that's a year and a half,
almost two years old,
1620
01:07:18.850 --> 01:07:20.850
and people are still
freaking out about it.
1621
01:07:20.970 --> 01:07:22.726
[reporter] There have
always been fan clubs,
1622
01:07:22.750 --> 01:07:24.346
Michael's fans more
passionate than most.
1623
01:07:24.370 --> 01:07:27.450
This club calls
itself the P.Y.T.'s.
1624
01:07:27.650 --> 01:07:30.530
We love you! We
love you, Michael!
1625
01:07:30.730 --> 01:07:32.690
And if nothing else,
"Thriller" was always
1626
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:34.680
gonna be played in
the month of October.
1627
01:07:34.780 --> 01:07:37.260
Like, there's this big
thing in Mexico that happens
1628
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.580
where, I'll tell you, the-the...
every... people fly in for it.
1629
01:07:40.780 --> 01:07:43.550
They're all in their
costumes, and they do
1630
01:07:43.750 --> 01:07:45.990
the "Thriller" dance,
thousands of people.
1631
01:07:46.190 --> 01:07:48.030
And people are
still, you-you know,
1632
01:07:48.230 --> 01:07:49.890
dancing to this
song like it's...
1633
01:07:50.090 --> 01:07:51.730
like it was just
done, like the...
1634
01:07:51.860 --> 01:07:53.876
like the short film
just came out yesterday.
1635
01:07:53.900 --> 01:07:56.480
"Thriller," a long time coming.
1636
01:07:56.680 --> 01:07:58.120
Michael Jackson's "Thriller."
1637
01:07:58.200 --> 01:08:00.400
[George] Probably the
single biggest video
1638
01:08:00.600 --> 01:08:01.790
for MTV ever.
1639
01:08:01.990 --> 01:08:03.840
[Ivory] After their
initial reluctance,
1640
01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:08.240
MTV became a huge supporter
of Michael Jackson,
1641
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:11.550
especially the
"Thriller" short film.
1642
01:08:11.750 --> 01:08:14.120
They heavily promoted
the premiere.
1643
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.930
At some point, it felt
like the "M" in MTV
1644
01:08:18.130 --> 01:08:20.640
stood for "Michael."
1645
01:08:21.890 --> 01:08:24.860
And everybody was talking about
how they were gonna cut school
1646
01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:26.960
to go home to watch
the "Thriller" video
1647
01:08:27.160 --> 01:08:31.530
because it was a twelve
o'clock world premiere on MTV.
1648
01:08:31.730 --> 01:08:33.930
And he was acting, he
was eating popcorn,
1649
01:08:34.130 --> 01:08:35.770
and then he turned
into a monster.
1650
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:38.176
There's something about
music, I think, that has...
1651
01:08:38.200 --> 01:08:41.400
that triggers so many
different emotions in people,
1652
01:08:41.590 --> 01:08:44.020
so you're tapping
into all of that
1653
01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:47.050
to a larger and larger
and larger audience,
1654
01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:50.210
and it just exponentially grew.
1655
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.370
[George] So, the
spring of '84,
1656
01:08:54.570 --> 01:08:55.890
the record's already out,
1657
01:08:56.030 --> 01:08:58.540
it's already selling
because Michael's now gone
1658
01:08:58.740 --> 01:09:00.810
from being a pop
star to a phenomenon.
1659
01:09:01.010 --> 01:09:03.176
The Guinness Book of World
Records is giving him
1660
01:09:03.200 --> 01:09:05.346
an award as the biggest-selling
album of all time.
1661
01:09:05.370 --> 01:09:06.996
It's a thriller
of a party tonight
1662
01:09:07.020 --> 01:09:08.916
for Michael Jackson at the
Museum of Natural History.
1663
01:09:08.940 --> 01:09:10.780
That's where Jackson's
being honored
1664
01:09:10.980 --> 01:09:13.266
for his album that's
broken all the records.
1665
01:09:13.290 --> 01:09:15.316
[reporter 2] This was the
payoff for the fans tonight,
1666
01:09:15.340 --> 01:09:18.180
that momentary glimpse of
superstar Michael Jackson
1667
01:09:18.380 --> 01:09:20.890
with his date for the
evening, Brooke Shields.
1668
01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:23.880
[Yetnikoff] Thriller, with
25 million copies sold,
1669
01:09:24.080 --> 01:09:25.870
was the best-selling album ever.
1670
01:09:26.370 --> 01:09:30.670
Today, we surpassed 25
million copies for Thriller.
1671
01:09:30.870 --> 01:09:34.950
Michael Jackson, the number
one artist in the world!
1672
01:09:35.150 --> 01:09:37.186
- [crowd cheering]
- Thriller eclipsed them all.
1673
01:09:37.210 --> 01:09:39.310
At one point, the
damn thing was selling
1674
01:09:39.510 --> 01:09:40.586
a million copies a week.
1675
01:09:40.610 --> 01:09:43.770
[George] Michael had
become a global obsession.
1676
01:09:43.970 --> 01:09:46.420
And just think, you
all came to see me.
1677
01:09:46.620 --> 01:09:47.840
[sparse laughter]
1678
01:09:48.040 --> 01:09:51.780
No, I know why you're
here, and with good reason.
1679
01:09:51.980 --> 01:09:54.050
To see one of the most
talented, most popular
1680
01:09:54.250 --> 01:09:57.780
and most exciting superstars
in the music world today,
1681
01:09:57.980 --> 01:09:59.870
Michael Jackson.
1682
01:10:00.070 --> 01:10:01.990
Michael, welcome
to the White House.
1683
01:10:02.110 --> 01:10:03.870
[John Landis] But
being with Michael
1684
01:10:03.910 --> 01:10:05.060
at that moment in time,
1685
01:10:05.260 --> 01:10:09.230
this is... "Thriller" is
now out on television.
1686
01:10:09.430 --> 01:10:12.530
And there was Michael
mania, you know.
1687
01:10:12.730 --> 01:10:14.076
He called me, and he said,
1688
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:15.646
"Have you ever been
to Disney World?"
1689
01:10:15.670 --> 01:10:18.456
So the park was open, and there
were people walking around.
1690
01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:21.000
Here's Michael,
here's Mickey and me.
1691
01:10:21.190 --> 01:10:25.520
Suddenly, we look around,
1692
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:28.340
and there are people
1693
01:10:28.540 --> 01:10:33.170
as far as you can see
in every direction...
1694
01:10:33.370 --> 01:10:36.840
behind us, in front
of us, around us...
1695
01:10:37.040 --> 01:10:39.990
and they're getting more
and more hysterical.
1696
01:10:40.190 --> 01:10:42.080
"Michael! Michael!"
1697
01:10:42.280 --> 01:10:46.580
And you see Mickey
Mouse is going like...
1698
01:10:46.780 --> 01:10:47.780
"Holy shit!
1699
01:10:47.930 --> 01:10:50.670
We're never getting out
of this alive!" You know?
1700
01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:54.746
[Branca] You
know, Thriller was
1701
01:10:54.770 --> 01:10:57.286
the biggest album in the world,
Michael was the biggest star,
1702
01:10:57.310 --> 01:11:00.220
and he wanted to go
out and tour Thriller.
1703
01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:03.640
But Joseph... you know,
uh, Mr. Jackson...
1704
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.850
had other ideas.
1705
01:11:06.470 --> 01:11:09.590
He wanted to bring all
the family back together.
1706
01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:10.900
He brought in Don King
1707
01:11:11.100 --> 01:11:12.656
as the recommended
promoter of the tour.
1708
01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.840
And he got the brothers and
Mrs. Jackson, Katherine.
1709
01:11:16.040 --> 01:11:18.570
Everybody was all for it.
1710
01:11:19.190 --> 01:11:22.080
Michael was hesitant,
to be honest.
1711
01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:24.790
He felt like he had done
Thriller on his own,
1712
01:11:24.990 --> 01:11:28.040
and he wanted to tour
as a solo artist.
1713
01:11:28.240 --> 01:11:31.160
But he was persuaded
to go along with it.
1714
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.720
[Ivory] This tour is a
bonanza of marketing,
1715
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:39.050
so everybody wants
to get in on this.
1716
01:11:39.250 --> 01:11:42.890
And Quaker Oats, you know,
they had made a deal.
1717
01:11:43.090 --> 01:11:45.390
They had a tentative
deal with the Jacksons
1718
01:11:45.590 --> 01:11:47.790
to be the sponsors
of this thing.
1719
01:11:47.990 --> 01:11:52.000
And then Don King says, "Listen,
I've already made a deal.
1720
01:11:52.200 --> 01:11:53.420
I made it with Pepsi."
1721
01:11:53.620 --> 01:11:56.940
♪ "Billie Jean" (Pepsi
Version) by Michael Jackson ♪
1722
01:11:57.140 --> 01:12:00.190
♪♪♪
1723
01:12:03.320 --> 01:12:05.480
[Branca] Michael was
not into the sponsorship
1724
01:12:05.530 --> 01:12:07.426
'cause he-he said,
"This isn't my thing.
1725
01:12:07.450 --> 01:12:11.270
I don't drink Pepsi. This
is all for my family."
1726
01:12:11.470 --> 01:12:13.590
And Michael did not want
to do the Pepsi deal.
1727
01:12:13.700 --> 01:12:16.010
♪ You're a whole
new generation ♪
1728
01:12:16.210 --> 01:12:17.780
♪ You're loving what they do ♪
1729
01:12:17.980 --> 01:12:20.010
♪ Put a Pepsi into motion ♪
1730
01:12:20.210 --> 01:12:22.356
♪ And that choice is up
to you, hey, hey, hey ♪
1731
01:12:22.380 --> 01:12:24.370
♪ You're the Pepsi
Generation... ♪
1732
01:12:24.570 --> 01:12:27.570
[Branca] 'Cause he said to me,
"Okay, Branca, listen to me.
1733
01:12:27.700 --> 01:12:29.940
I got to do this 'cause
my family wants it,
1734
01:12:30.140 --> 01:12:32.096
but you have to write two
things in the contract.
1735
01:12:32.120 --> 01:12:34.750
Number one: I'm never
holding a Pepsi can.
1736
01:12:34.950 --> 01:12:36.270
And number two: I can't be
1737
01:12:36.310 --> 01:12:38.476
on the screen for more
than three seconds."
1738
01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:40.150
So it's in the Pepsi contract,
1739
01:12:40.350 --> 01:12:43.300
no more than three seconds
and never holding a Pepsi can.
1740
01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:45.510
So if you ever watch
that commercial again,
1741
01:12:45.710 --> 01:12:46.710
you'll-you'll see.
1742
01:12:46.900 --> 01:12:48.336
[Ivory] It's
interesting because
1743
01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:51.960
if Don King had not made
the deal with Pepsi,
1744
01:12:52.160 --> 01:12:53.946
Michael's hair wouldn't
have gotten burned.
1745
01:12:53.970 --> 01:12:56.610
I was actually at
the Pepsi commercial,
1746
01:12:56.810 --> 01:12:59.360
and I had an all-access pass.
1747
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:02.470
When I arrived at the
Shrine Auditorium Downtown,
1748
01:13:02.670 --> 01:13:04.830
Michael and the
Jacksons were onstage
1749
01:13:05.020 --> 01:13:07.580
performing "Billie Jean."
1750
01:13:07.780 --> 01:13:09.000
[cheering]
1751
01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:10.466
The audience had been invited,
1752
01:13:10.490 --> 01:13:12.520
you know, and they
were told to scream
1753
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:13.520
and the whole thing.
1754
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:15.786
They didn't have to be
instructed to do that.
1755
01:13:15.810 --> 01:13:17.190
They were crazy about, you know,
1756
01:13:17.390 --> 01:13:19.550
seeing the Jacksons and
Michael there and...
1757
01:13:19.750 --> 01:13:24.620
They did a run-through, and
after they came offstage,
1758
01:13:24.820 --> 01:13:26.510
Michael was just in a great mood
1759
01:13:26.710 --> 01:13:29.470
and he was having
fun, fooling around.
1760
01:13:29.670 --> 01:13:31.446
And then they
called them back out
1761
01:13:31.470 --> 01:13:33.830
and said, "We're
gonna do this again."
1762
01:13:34.030 --> 01:13:36.500
And it went horribly wrong.
1763
01:13:36.700 --> 01:13:39.900
Filming the Pepsi commercial,
there was a big explosion.
1764
01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:44.300
♪ You're the Pepsi Generation ♪
1765
01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:45.820
♪ Guzzle down... ♪
1766
01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:47.980
[Branca] And it
burned Michael's scalp
1767
01:13:48.070 --> 01:13:49.700
very severely.
1768
01:13:49.900 --> 01:13:52.560
[Ivory] The audience didn't
know what was going on.
1769
01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:54.750
And when they took
Michael offstage,
1770
01:13:54.950 --> 01:13:56.190
I went backstage,
1771
01:13:56.390 --> 01:13:59.250
and it was just absolute chaos.
1772
01:13:59.450 --> 01:14:01.970
They put him in a stretcher...
1773
01:14:02.170 --> 01:14:03.876
you know, an
ambulance stretcher...
1774
01:14:03.900 --> 01:14:08.950
and they took him offstage
to a paramedic truck.
1775
01:14:09.150 --> 01:14:13.560
And Michael Jackson
was smart enough...
1776
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.360
- [camera snaps]
- to be covered up,
1777
01:14:16.550 --> 01:14:18.520
but he had his glove out.
1778
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:22.070
That was the photograph
that went around the world
1779
01:14:22.270 --> 01:14:25.530
of him with the glitter glove.
1780
01:14:25.730 --> 01:14:29.080
People were crying, you
know, in the audience.
1781
01:14:29.280 --> 01:14:31.216
And people were running
with the ambulance
1782
01:14:31.240 --> 01:14:32.730
as it was taking him away.
1783
01:14:32.930 --> 01:14:35.170
It was just an incredible thing.
1784
01:14:35.370 --> 01:14:37.406
When I got home, it
was all over the news.
1785
01:14:37.430 --> 01:14:39.496
[reporter] Jackson was rushed
to a hospital last night
1786
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:41.576
after suffering second-
and third-degree burns.
1787
01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:43.200
[reporter 2] But
his doctor said
1788
01:14:43.250 --> 01:14:44.686
the famous patient
was doing well.
1789
01:14:44.710 --> 01:14:46.530
He slept several
hours last night.
1790
01:14:46.730 --> 01:14:49.530
He was up watching TV at
approximately one o'clock.
1791
01:14:49.730 --> 01:14:52.086
He's comfortable this morning,
although he is continuing
1792
01:14:52.110 --> 01:14:53.870
to have discomfort
in the scalp area.
1793
01:14:54.030 --> 01:14:55.510
[Branca] People don't realize
1794
01:14:55.550 --> 01:14:58.610
he had to go to emergency
treatment in a burn center,
1795
01:14:58.810 --> 01:15:01.110
and he was troubled by
the pain from that burn
1796
01:15:01.310 --> 01:15:02.630
for the rest of his life,
1797
01:15:02.750 --> 01:15:07.380
which led to pain pills and
whatnot to-to ease the pain.
1798
01:15:08.210 --> 01:15:10.260
[Ivory] Because he
needed painkillers,
1799
01:15:10.460 --> 01:15:13.370
he was in pain,
life couldn't stop.
1800
01:15:13.570 --> 01:15:16.580
He had a book full of
things that he had to do.
1801
01:15:16.780 --> 01:15:20.270
You know, a schedule
that just could not stop.
1802
01:15:20.470 --> 01:15:21.596
The opening of the Victory Tour
1803
01:15:21.620 --> 01:15:23.156
in Kansas City was
a massive event.
1804
01:15:23.180 --> 01:15:25.780
[dramatic, atmospheric
music playing]
1805
01:15:25.980 --> 01:15:28.570
♪♪♪
1806
01:15:28.770 --> 01:15:31.740
[crowd cheering]
1807
01:15:33.910 --> 01:15:35.230
It's at Arrowhead Stadium.
1808
01:15:35.300 --> 01:15:37.410
It's a giant football stadium.
1809
01:15:38.290 --> 01:15:40.790
[raucous cheering]
1810
01:15:48.460 --> 01:15:50.460
- I love you, Michael.
- I love you, Michael.
1811
01:15:50.500 --> 01:15:51.500
I love you so much.
1812
01:15:51.670 --> 01:15:54.330
This is gonna be the best
concert of the century.
1813
01:15:54.530 --> 01:15:55.906
- Don't you think?
- Definitely.
1814
01:15:55.930 --> 01:15:58.250
I have to ask Michael
Jackson to marry me today.
1815
01:15:58.450 --> 01:16:00.970
We would do about anything
to see Michael Jackson.
1816
01:16:01.160 --> 01:16:04.280
[dramatic music continues]
1817
01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:06.190
♪♪♪
1818
01:16:06.390 --> 01:16:08.780
[cheering continues]
1819
01:16:16.700 --> 01:16:18.716
[reporter] You're looking
at a sneak preview
1820
01:16:18.740 --> 01:16:20.740
of what is perhaps
the most controversial
1821
01:16:20.850 --> 01:16:25.130
rock concert tour in history,
the Jacksons' Victory Tour,
1822
01:16:25.330 --> 01:16:27.300
opening tonight in Kansas City.
1823
01:16:27.500 --> 01:16:30.970
[Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be
Startin' Somethin'" playing]
1824
01:16:31.170 --> 01:16:33.510
♪♪♪
1825
01:16:57.370 --> 01:16:59.430
♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
1826
01:16:59.630 --> 01:17:01.750
♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
1827
01:17:01.950 --> 01:17:03.776
♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
1828
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:05.576
♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
1829
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:07.406
- ♪ Too high to get over ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
1830
01:17:07.430 --> 01:17:08.710
♪ Too low to get under ♪
1831
01:17:08.910 --> 01:17:10.786
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
1832
01:17:10.810 --> 01:17:12.786
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
1833
01:17:12.810 --> 01:17:15.030
- ♪ Too high to get over ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
1834
01:17:15.230 --> 01:17:16.510
♪ Too low to get under ♪
1835
01:17:16.710 --> 01:17:18.586
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ You're stuck in the middle ♪
1836
01:17:18.610 --> 01:17:20.756
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ And the pain is thunder ♪
1837
01:17:20.780 --> 01:17:22.140
♪ I took my baby to the doctor ♪
1838
01:17:22.340 --> 01:17:24.360
♪ With a fever, but
nothin' he found ♪
1839
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.320
♪ By the time this
hit the street ♪
1840
01:17:26.490 --> 01:17:28.170
♪ They said she
had a breakdown ♪
1841
01:17:28.330 --> 01:17:30.090
♪ Someone's always tryin' ♪
1842
01:17:30.290 --> 01:17:31.770
♪ To start my baby cryin' ♪
1843
01:17:31.850 --> 01:17:33.530
♪ Talkin', squealin', lyin' ♪
1844
01:17:33.730 --> 01:17:35.746
♪ Sayin' you just want to
be startin' somethin' ♪
1845
01:17:35.770 --> 01:17:37.810
♪ I said you wanna be
startin' somethin' ♪
1846
01:17:38.010 --> 01:17:39.810
♪ You got to be
startin' somethin' ♪
1847
01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:41.696
[fading] ♪ I said you wanna
be startin' somethin' ♪
1848
01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.440
♪ tense synthesizer tones
fading into drumbeat ♪
1849
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:47.420
♪ "P.Y.T. (Pretty Young
Thing)" by Michael Jackson ♪
1850
01:17:47.620 --> 01:17:49.420
♪ Where did you
come from, lady? ♪
1851
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:51.646
[reporter] The Victory Tour
sold out in Kansas City.
1852
01:17:51.670 --> 01:17:54.280
Then it was on to
Dallas, Jacksonville,
1853
01:17:54.480 --> 01:17:57.280
New Jersey, New
York and Knoxville.
1854
01:17:57.480 --> 01:17:59.640
It's currently scheduled
in some 13 cities
1855
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:01.560
with more sites yet
to be announced.
1856
01:18:01.700 --> 01:18:03.500
Preparations are
well underway tonight
1857
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:05.480
for the Jacksons'
Victory Tour concert.
1858
01:18:05.530 --> 01:18:07.536
[reporter 2] The Jacksons'
massive stage was beginning
1859
01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:09.360
to take shape as
early as Thursday.
1860
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:11.096
[reporter 1] There's
not too many places
1861
01:18:11.120 --> 01:18:12.976
that you can stick a
monstrous stage like this.
1862
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.320
Most of the performances,
more than 50 in all,
1863
01:18:15.400 --> 01:18:18.450
will be in stadiums
like the Silverdome.
1864
01:18:18.650 --> 01:18:19.910
♪ Pretty young thing ♪
1865
01:18:20.110 --> 01:18:22.620
- ♪ You need some loving ♪
- ♪ TLC ♪
1866
01:18:22.820 --> 01:18:24.370
♪ Tender lovin' care ♪
1867
01:18:24.570 --> 01:18:27.670
♪ And I'll take
you there, girl ♪
1868
01:18:27.870 --> 01:18:30.480
♪ Ooh-ooh, I want
to love you... ♪
1869
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.496
[George] The shows
of the Victory Tour
1870
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:34.126
were much more
mainstream America,
1871
01:18:34.150 --> 01:18:37.850
and that was a testament to
how big Michael had become
1872
01:18:38.050 --> 01:18:41.080
and to the penetration
of the album.
1873
01:18:41.280 --> 01:18:42.280
♪ Ow! ♪
1874
01:18:42.470 --> 01:18:44.560
[Michael Jackson's
"Beat It" playing]
1875
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:46.346
[George] The irony
of Thriller is that
1876
01:18:46.370 --> 01:18:47.716
there was never a
tour solely dedicated
1877
01:18:47.740 --> 01:18:49.630
to the biggest LP of all time.
1878
01:18:49.830 --> 01:18:51.280
The Victory Tour was a mix
1879
01:18:51.480 --> 01:18:54.550
of vintage Jackson family
music and hits from Thriller.
1880
01:18:54.750 --> 01:18:56.436
But it was the Thriller material
1881
01:18:56.460 --> 01:18:58.780
that turned the crowd
out every night.
1882
01:18:58.980 --> 01:19:00.620
[crowd cheering]
1883
01:19:00.820 --> 01:19:02.756
[Michael Jackson's
"Billie Jean" playing]
1884
01:19:02.780 --> 01:19:04.870
♪ Hee! Hoo! ♪
1885
01:19:05.070 --> 01:19:08.250
♪♪♪
1886
01:19:14.170 --> 01:19:16.430
♪ She says I am the one ♪
1887
01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:19.470
♪ But the kid is not my son ♪
1888
01:19:19.670 --> 01:19:22.840
♪ No, no, no ♪
1889
01:19:23.340 --> 01:19:26.440
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1890
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:31.110
♪ She's just a girl who
claims that I am the one ♪
1891
01:19:31.310 --> 01:19:34.810
♪ But the kid is not my son ♪
1892
01:19:36.190 --> 01:19:38.200
♪ She says I am the one ♪
1893
01:19:38.400 --> 01:19:40.780
♪♪♪
1894
01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:52.040
♪ Whoo! ♪
1895
01:19:52.240 --> 01:19:54.110
♪ You know you ain't ♪
1896
01:19:54.310 --> 01:19:55.740
♪ Not my lover ♪
1897
01:19:55.940 --> 01:19:59.320
- ♪ You know you can't ♪
- ♪ Not my lover ♪
1898
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.240
♪ Because you are ♪
1899
01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:02.800
♪ Not my lover ♪
1900
01:20:03.010 --> 01:20:05.080
♪ 'Cause you're a silly girl ♪
1901
01:20:05.280 --> 01:20:06.750
♪ Not my lover ♪
1902
01:20:06.950 --> 01:20:10.310
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1903
01:20:10.510 --> 01:20:13.750
♪ Billie Jean is
not my lover ♪
1904
01:20:13.950 --> 01:20:17.280
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1905
01:20:17.480 --> 01:20:21.050
♪ Billie Jean is
not my lover ♪
1906
01:20:21.250 --> 01:20:24.990
[steady drumbeat playing]
1907
01:20:25.190 --> 01:20:28.160
[crowd cheering]
1908
01:20:37.420 --> 01:20:40.710
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1909
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.390
♪ Billie Jean is not my lover ♪
1910
01:20:45.590 --> 01:20:48.520
Michael has been
nominated for 12...
1911
01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.420
- 12 1983 Grammy Awards.
- [applause]
1912
01:20:52.620 --> 01:20:54.210
The highest number in history.
1913
01:20:54.410 --> 01:20:57.650
♪ "Don't Stop 'Til You Get
Enough" by Michael Jackson ♪
1914
01:20:57.850 --> 01:21:01.050
[Shields] So we went
to the 1984 Grammys
1915
01:21:01.250 --> 01:21:03.950
at the Shrine Auditorium.
1916
01:21:04.150 --> 01:21:06.216
I didn't get the
feeling he was nervous.
1917
01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:07.640
I actually got the feeling that
1918
01:21:07.690 --> 01:21:09.410
he was excited.
1919
01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:13.690
And I don't think I had any idea
1920
01:21:13.890 --> 01:21:15.380
even the magnitude of it.
1921
01:21:15.580 --> 01:21:17.800
♪ Keep on with the
force, don't stop ♪
1922
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.320
♪ Don't stop till you
get enough, keep on... ♪
1923
01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:22.480
[George] Michael
Jackson was nominated
1924
01:21:22.580 --> 01:21:24.010
for 12 Grammys overall,
1925
01:21:24.210 --> 01:21:27.760
including Album of the Year
and Record of the Year.
1926
01:21:27.970 --> 01:21:31.260
♪ And I feel on fire ♪
1927
01:21:32.310 --> 01:21:35.060
♪ Ain't nothin'... ♪
1928
01:21:35.260 --> 01:21:37.656
[Melissa Manchester] The
Record of the Year is...
1929
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:38.956
"Beat It," Michael Jackson.
1930
01:21:38.980 --> 01:21:40.686
[Mike Love] For
Album of the Year...
1931
01:21:40.710 --> 01:21:42.146
[Brian Wilson]
The winner is...
1932
01:21:42.170 --> 01:21:44.110
- [laughing, exclaiming]
- Thriller!
1933
01:21:44.310 --> 01:21:46.780
[cheering and applause]
1934
01:21:48.360 --> 01:21:50.330
♪ Sensation ♪
1935
01:21:50.530 --> 01:21:51.890
♪ Oh, sensation ♪
1936
01:21:52.090 --> 01:21:53.570
♪ Lovely where we're at... ♪
1937
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:57.540
Best Pop Vocal Performance,
Male: Michael Jackson.
1938
01:21:57.740 --> 01:22:00.690
[cheering and applause]
1939
01:22:00.890 --> 01:22:02.646
I made a deal with
myself, if I win more...
1940
01:22:02.670 --> 01:22:04.490
one more award,
which is this award,
1941
01:22:04.690 --> 01:22:06.470
which is seven,
which is a record,
1942
01:22:06.670 --> 01:22:08.950
I would take off my glasses.
1943
01:22:09.150 --> 01:22:10.680
[cheering]
1944
01:22:11.220 --> 01:22:14.060
♪ Ooh, keep on with
the force, don't stop ♪
1945
01:22:14.260 --> 01:22:16.480
♪ Don't stop till
you get enough ♪
1946
01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.900
♪ Keep on with the
force, don't stop ♪
1947
01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:20.806
♪ Don't stop till
you get enough ♪
1948
01:22:20.830 --> 01:22:22.896
♪ Keep on with the
force, don't stop... ♪
1949
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:24.320
[Shields] He deserved it.
1950
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:26.950
You know, it was... it was due.
1951
01:22:27.150 --> 01:22:29.410
♪ Don't stop till
you get enough ♪
1952
01:22:29.610 --> 01:22:32.370
♪♪♪
1953
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:37.630
[Yetnikoff] In February 1984,
1954
01:22:37.830 --> 01:22:41.330
between Michael and Quincy,
Thriller won a dozen Grammys.
1955
01:22:45.050 --> 01:22:46.916
[Michael] Well, as
we know, Thriller is
1956
01:22:46.940 --> 01:22:49.030
a huge, huge
success... the album...
1957
01:22:49.230 --> 01:22:50.970
but, uh...
1958
01:22:51.170 --> 01:22:52.906
the joy of doing
something phenomenal
1959
01:22:52.930 --> 01:22:55.520
'cause everybody waiting
to see the next big,
1960
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.440
you know, Michael Jackson short.
1961
01:22:57.640 --> 01:22:59.766
And I thought "Thriller"
was the perfect vehicle.
1962
01:22:59.790 --> 01:23:01.076
- We're gonna come out.
- No.
1963
01:23:01.100 --> 01:23:02.916
- No one's gonna like it.
- No, no, no, no, no.
1964
01:23:02.940 --> 01:23:04.530
But 40 years from
now, Michael...
1965
01:23:04.730 --> 01:23:05.730
My part will be.
1966
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:07.780
[laughing] I don't
know about you.
1967
01:23:07.980 --> 01:23:09.410
All right, and stop.
1968
01:23:09.610 --> 01:23:11.200
- [crew member] Cut.
- [beep]
1969
01:23:11.400 --> 01:23:13.180
Who's your biggest inspiration?
1970
01:23:13.380 --> 01:23:15.210
Who inspired you the most?
1971
01:23:15.410 --> 01:23:16.410
Michael Jackson.
1972
01:23:16.550 --> 01:23:18.480
[Ronson] Michael
saw that he could
1973
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:20.306
touch greatness
with Off the Wall,
1974
01:23:20.330 --> 01:23:23.110
knew he was still going
against racist radio
1975
01:23:23.310 --> 01:23:25.990
and people that wanted
to put him in a box.
1976
01:23:26.190 --> 01:23:29.800
But you have to be so
in the rarefied air,
1977
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:34.790
.0001%, to even be able to,
like, project yourself to that.
1978
01:23:34.990 --> 01:23:37.690
That idea that I can take
1979
01:23:37.890 --> 01:23:40.590
dance music and visuals
1980
01:23:40.780 --> 01:23:42.340
and turn the world on its ear,
1981
01:23:42.540 --> 01:23:46.670
that idea that he crystallized
in "Thriller"... not going away,
1982
01:23:46.870 --> 01:23:49.360
and I don't think it's
ever gonna go away.
1983
01:23:49.860 --> 01:23:51.220
[Usher] So, whether it was
1984
01:23:51.360 --> 01:23:53.850
"Human Nature" and
his amazing voice,
1985
01:23:54.050 --> 01:23:55.850
you know, "Beat
It" and looking at
1986
01:23:56.050 --> 01:23:58.460
the references that were
there, because every time
1987
01:23:58.660 --> 01:24:01.460
you saw a video, you
got a new idea of, like,
1988
01:24:01.660 --> 01:24:03.746
who he was as an artist
and what he was selling.
1989
01:24:03.770 --> 01:24:06.880
Right? There was his hair and
his clothing, his wardrobe.
1990
01:24:07.080 --> 01:24:09.740
All of those things were
informing the culture.
1991
01:24:09.940 --> 01:24:12.330
He was establishing
the standard.
1992
01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:13.790
Thriller.
1993
01:24:13.980 --> 01:24:18.310
Man, there has never
been anything like that.
1994
01:24:18.510 --> 01:24:20.540
Michael Jackson's Thriller.
1995
01:24:20.740 --> 01:24:22.540
♪ Suspenseful orchestral music ♪
1996
01:24:22.740 --> 01:24:24.360
[screams]
1997
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:26.440
What's the problem?
1998
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.110
Come on, I'll take you home.
1999
01:24:34.950 --> 01:24:37.450
[evil laughter]
2000
01:24:41.660 --> 01:24:44.330
♪ "Beat It" by Michael Jackson ♪
2001
01:24:56.510 --> 01:24:59.710
♪ They told him, "Don't
you ever come around here ♪
2002
01:24:59.910 --> 01:25:02.900
♪ Don't wanna see your face,
you better disappear" ♪
2003
01:25:03.100 --> 01:25:06.420
♪ The fire's in their eyes and
their words are really clear ♪
2004
01:25:06.620 --> 01:25:10.280
♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪
2005
01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:13.280
♪ You better run, you
better do what you can ♪
2006
01:25:13.480 --> 01:25:16.870
♪ Don't wanna see no blood,
don't be a macho man ♪
2007
01:25:17.070 --> 01:25:20.460
♪ You wanna be tough,
better do what you can ♪
2008
01:25:20.660 --> 01:25:22.020
♪ So beat it ♪
2009
01:25:22.220 --> 01:25:23.810
♪ But you wanna be bad ♪
2010
01:25:24.010 --> 01:25:27.570
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2011
01:25:27.770 --> 01:25:30.420
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2012
01:25:30.620 --> 01:25:33.930
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2013
01:25:34.130 --> 01:25:37.370
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2014
01:25:37.570 --> 01:25:40.910
- ♪ Just beat it, just beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2015
01:25:41.110 --> 01:25:42.330
♪ Just beat it ♪
2016
01:25:42.530 --> 01:25:44.860
- ♪ Beat it, beat it, uh! ♪
- ♪ Just beat it ♪
2017
01:25:45.060 --> 01:25:48.050
♪ They're out to get you,
better leave while you can ♪
2018
01:25:48.250 --> 01:25:51.720
♪ Don't wanna be a boy,
you wanna be a man ♪
2019
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:54.680
♪ You wanna stay alive,
better do what you can ♪
2020
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:58.410
♪ So beat it, just beat it ♪
2021
01:25:58.610 --> 01:26:01.870
♪ You have to show them that
you're really not scared ♪
2022
01:26:02.070 --> 01:26:04.920
♪ You're playin' with your life,
this ain't no truth or dare ♪
2023
01:26:05.120 --> 01:26:07.096
♪ They'll kick you,
then they'll beat you ♪
2024
01:26:07.120 --> 01:26:10.570
♪ Then they'll tell you
it's fair, so beat it ♪
2025
01:26:10.770 --> 01:26:12.240
♪ But you wanna be bad ♪
2026
01:26:12.440 --> 01:26:15.950
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2027
01:26:16.150 --> 01:26:18.970
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2028
01:26:19.170 --> 01:26:22.270
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2029
01:26:22.470 --> 01:26:25.250
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2030
01:26:25.450 --> 01:26:29.800
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2031
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.860
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2032
01:26:33.060 --> 01:26:36.280
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2033
01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:39.430
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2034
01:26:39.630 --> 01:26:42.540
♪ Just beat it, beat
it, beat it, beat it ♪
2035
01:26:42.740 --> 01:26:45.120
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2036
01:26:49.670 --> 01:26:52.130
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2037
01:26:52.710 --> 01:26:54.800
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2038
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:57.380
♪♪♪
2039
01:26:59.300 --> 01:27:02.090
♪ Beat it, beat it, beat it ♪
2040
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:05.640
[rhythmic thumping]
2041
01:27:07.270 --> 01:27:09.770
[electric guitar solo playing]
2042
01:27:26.950 --> 01:27:29.410
♪♪♪
2043
01:27:35.380 --> 01:27:38.990
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2044
01:27:39.190 --> 01:27:41.930
♪ No one wants to be defeated ♪
2045
01:27:42.130 --> 01:27:45.350
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2046
01:27:45.550 --> 01:27:48.500
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2047
01:27:48.700 --> 01:27:52.190
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2048
01:27:52.390 --> 01:27:55.530
♪ No one wants to be
defeated, oh, Lord ♪
2049
01:27:55.730 --> 01:27:59.200
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2050
01:27:59.400 --> 01:28:02.510
♪ It doesn't matter
who's wrong or right ♪
2051
01:28:02.710 --> 01:28:06.270
- ♪ Just beat it, beat it ♪
- ♪ Beat it, beat it ♪
2052
01:28:06.470 --> 01:28:09.250
♪ No one wants to be
defeated, oh, no ♪
2053
01:28:09.450 --> 01:28:13.340
♪ Showin' how funky and
strong is your fight ♪
2054
01:28:13.540 --> 01:28:15.840
[fading] ♪ It doesn't matter ♪
2055
01:28:16.040 --> 01:28:18.460
[crowd cheering]
2056
01:28:19.510 --> 01:28:21.720
[soft jingling]
2057
01:28:28.010 --> 01:28:30.310
[Michael chuckles]
2058
01:28:30.510 --> 01:28:32.560
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