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(sirens and
indistinct chatter)
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(radio chatter)
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(helicopter passes overhead)
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Carjack.
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Victim evidently
tried to fight him off.
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She got dragged,
car collided with a pickup.
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That's the driver
of the pickup over there.
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He's unhurt.
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Suspect?
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Fled on foot.
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No witnesses yet.
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Connie?
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Keep that man back.
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-Victim's husband.
-I don't care. Keep him back.
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Connie! No!
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Where did the jacking
take place?
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A superette
about a quarter mile back.
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Why are you here?
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I picked it up
on the scanner.
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MAN: Where's Justin?
Where's my son?
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3-year-old son
was in the car!
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McGUIRE: What do you see?
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Uh, we see him now.
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There's no movement.
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Oh, my God.
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Do you hear anything?
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No, ma'am.
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Helen, why don't you beat it?
You don't have to see this.
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Are you okay, son?
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Where's Mommy?
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Where's Mommy?
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Mommy.
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Where's Mommy?
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♪ (theme)
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(radio chatter)
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By the time
I got out of my truck,
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I-I saw somebody
running away.
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I couldn't really tell
if it was a man or a woman.
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How far away
was he running?
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I don't know.
75, 100 yards, maybe.
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You never saw his face?
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No.
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Detective.
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Picked him up
half a mile south.
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Out of breath,
bruises --
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he tried to run
soon as he saw us.
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He say anything?
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Just started screaming
he didn't do it.
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-Read him his rights.
-Done.
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Get him to interrogation.
I'll meet you there
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-and get a blood test.
-Yes, sir.
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I promised Ellenor
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I'd be by with dinner
a half-hour ago.
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It's waiting for you
at pickup.
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Why can't Rebecca work late?
She didn't have a baby.
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All right, Jimmy.
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I'm just saying
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it's you and me
every night, Eugene.
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Plus I got to bring
Ellenor her food.
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Jimmy.
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Karen.
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What's wrong?
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I need some help.
It's Eddie.
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Oh, God.
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It isn't drugs
this time.
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He may have --
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They say
he killed somebody.
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Nothing?
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He must have been
wearing gloves.
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None of the prints
matched his.
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You've dusted
the whole car already?
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No, but the wheel
and the door so far.
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And not a single witness.
Nobody at the superette?
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Not yet.
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(sighs)
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What happened anyway?
Do we know?
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The husband went in
to buy diapers.
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She ran in
to bring it to him,
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ran back out.
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Next thing,
the husband hears screaming.
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He runs
out of the store,
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sees his wife
caught in the door
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while the car's
speeding away, dragging her.
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Whew. And this guy?
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A string of drug arrests,
all possession.
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They found her purse
on the side of the road
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about 50 yards
from where they grabbed him.
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What's his story?
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Out jogging.
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All right,
let me take a shot.
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Alone.
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Eddie, my name's
Helen Gamble.
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I'm the district
attorney.
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I didn't kill anybody.
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The officer told you
your rights, correct?
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He said that --
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I didn't do anything.
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I think you should
let me speak for a second
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and then you can
respond, okay?
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We have two witnesses
at the superette
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who saw you
get into the car.
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It wasn't me.
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The driver
of the pickup
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also made you
after the accident.
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Now here's the thing --
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We do figure this
to be an accident.
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All you were
looking to do
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is steal the car
to score some drugs.
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You never meant
for the woman to get hurt.
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Now, if you'll
cooperate here,
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I can help you.
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Wasn't me.
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Who'd you vote for,
Eddie?
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Did you vote
for George W. Bush?
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George W. Bush
is your worst nightmare
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at this moment.
Know why?
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He proposed legislation
to bring back
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the death penalty
in every state,
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and it's about three weeks
from passing
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here in Massachusetts,
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and I can tell you,
my office is chomping
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for that first chance.
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Here we have a carjacking,
every citizen's biggest fear.
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A dead mother
with a 3-year-old child.
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The husband
is a city councilman.
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You're going
to die, Eddie.
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Excuse me, detective,
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I'm attorney James Berluti.
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You're holding
one of my clients --
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Edward Larson.
I'd like to see him, please.
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One second.
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And why would you help me?
Just tell me that.
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(door opens)
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Now?
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He's right out there?
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Do you know
who Paul Cellucci is?
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He's the governor
of Massachusetts,
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and he's out there.
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He's a friend
of George W. Bush.
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Excuse me a second.
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Jimmy.
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You were supposed to
bring Ellenor her dinner.
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I had Lucy do it.
I represent Eddie Larson.
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-I heard.
-This is Karen Larson,
his sister.
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High school classmate
of mine.
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Hello.
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I'd like all questioning
to stop, please.
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Fine. We already
finished, actually.
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He's been taken
to booking.
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Well, how long
till he's brought back up?
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We're not
bringing him up.
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You'll have to wait
till arraignment.
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-Why?
-'Cause that's the procedure.
You know that.
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Booking to arraignment.
You can see him
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before he goes
into court, if you want.
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All right?
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No more questions.
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You have my word.
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It was nice meeting you,
Ms. Larson.
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Sorry it had to be
under these circumstances.
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She better have gotten
her food.
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She did.
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So what now?
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He'll be arraigned
in court first thing.
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I'll meet with him
in his cell
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before they take him in.
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Come on.
Let's get some coffee.
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(door opens)
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Governor Cellucci
saw the news.
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He's not just
George W. Bush's friend,
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but also
Councilman Reed's.
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Okay, you asked
why would I want to help you?
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For me
to answer that,
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I have to be able
to trust you
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because what I am
about to tell you
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could get me
in trouble.
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I have
a personal relationship
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with your lawyer.
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You may not even realize
you have a lawyer yet,
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Eddie, but you do.
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His name
is James Berluti,
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and he happens to be
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a lifelong friend
of your sister Karen.
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Now, as a favor for her,
he's asking a favor of me.
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You never heard that.
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Do you understand
what I'm telling you?
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For God's sake, Eddie,
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for your sake,
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I'm the only person
who can save your life.
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Tell me what happened.
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I only meant
to steal the car.
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Somehow her jacket...
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I never meant
to kill her.
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I know you didn't, Eddie.
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You confessed?
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Only that I meant
to steal the car.
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Did they read you
your rights,
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tell you
you didn't have to talk?
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Yes, but the D. A. told me
I'd get the death penalty
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if I didn't cooperate,
and --
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The death penalty?
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We don't have a death penalty
in Massachusetts.
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It's about to pass
in three weeks.
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Who told you that?
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The D. A.
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What else
did she tell you?
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That she could help,
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that she was
doing you a favor
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since you're
friends with Karen.
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How'd she know I was
friends with Karen?
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Wait a second.
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This says it was signed
at 9:35 p. M.
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Is that
when you signed this?
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Around then, yeah.
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And this is
when you confessed --
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Around this time?
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Yeah, I signed it
as soon as I finished.
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Where did that
take place?
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At the police station.
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I was there last night at 8:00.
Did you know that?
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No.
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You lied to me.
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You questioned him
after I was there.
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You got his confession
at 9:35.
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You lied to me.
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I'm sorry
I had to do that.
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You're sorry?
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You lie to me point-blank
and you're sorry?
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What's the big atrocity,
Jimmy, that the truth came out?
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-Don't give me that.
-I was there last night.
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I saw a little boy
pulled from a wreckage.
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I saw his eyes
go to his dead mother.
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This isn't about that,
and you know it.
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This is about
legal ethics, Helen.
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It's about the law.
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And I acted
within the law.
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-You think so?
-I know so.
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Let's see what a judge
has to say,
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because I'm moving
to suppress this confession.
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Fine.
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Have a good look
in the mirror last night?
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You can do everything
within the bounds of the law
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to free your murderers.
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I can't try just as hard
to put them away?
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You went outside
the bounds of the law.
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No, I didn't, Jimmy.
Look it up.
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Slow down.
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I can't.
I'm too upset.
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She also told him
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the victim was married
to a city councilman.
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The guy's no councilman.
He's a pharmacist.
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So she talked to him
after you said stop -- After?
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Yes, and she admits it.
She says it's legal.
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-Rebecca?
-I'm already on it. I haven't
pulled anything up yet.
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Well, I say you bring
a motion to suppress.
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I'm doing that.
Don't worry.
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-Have you done it yet?
-No, but --
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Good. Do it
before Judge Kittleson.
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He's already
been arraigned --
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Has this judge
assigned it yet?
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No, we just pled
not guilty.
262
00:13:38,218 --> 00:13:40,020
Good. Let's get it
before Judge Kittleson.
263
00:13:40,053 --> 00:13:41,387
She won't go
for that crap,
264
00:13:41,421 --> 00:13:42,956
and she's seen Helen
pull it before.
265
00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:47,493
She lied right to my face.
Right to my face.
266
00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:51,632
How could he get off
if he confessed?
267
00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:53,867
He's not getting off,
Mr. Reed.
268
00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:55,468
All I'm saying is
269
00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:58,505
if the defense is successful
in suppressing his confession,
270
00:13:58,539 --> 00:14:00,607
our case
becomes extremely thin.
271
00:14:00,641 --> 00:14:02,576
He got Miranda,
didn't he?
272
00:14:02,609 --> 00:14:05,912
Yes, but...
273
00:14:05,946 --> 00:14:09,282
Look, the law supports us.
I'm very confident.
274
00:14:09,315 --> 00:14:11,985
I think you should be
with your son
275
00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:14,888
and let me
deal with this.
276
00:14:14,921 --> 00:14:18,158
Promise me you won't let him
go free, Ms. Gamble.
277
00:14:18,191 --> 00:14:20,060
Promise me that.
278
00:14:20,093 --> 00:14:25,131
He's not going free.
Don't worry.
279
00:14:28,401 --> 00:14:31,605
I call your honor's attention
to Moran vs. Burbine.
280
00:14:31,638 --> 00:14:34,508
This is a 1986
U.S. Supreme Court case.
281
00:14:34,541 --> 00:14:36,242
I'm aware of the case,
Ms. Gamble.
282
00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:38,111
Then you know
the court's position.
283
00:14:38,144 --> 00:14:39,680
The state has no duty
to inform a suspect
284
00:14:39,713 --> 00:14:41,515
when a lawyer is trying
to reach him.
285
00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:43,650
I understand
the opinion, counselor.
286
00:14:43,684 --> 00:14:46,086
It's the reasoning
that troubles me.
287
00:14:46,119 --> 00:14:48,989
Everything depends
on the suspect's state of mind.
288
00:14:49,022 --> 00:14:50,356
He knew
he could have a lawyer.
289
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:51,391
He chose
not to ask for one.
290
00:14:51,424 --> 00:14:52,559
The fact that a lawyer
291
00:14:52,593 --> 00:14:54,561
was asking for him --
it's irrelevant.
292
00:14:54,595 --> 00:14:56,429
That's ridiculous.
293
00:14:56,462 --> 00:14:58,064
Really? Why don't you call
Justice Rehnquist
294
00:14:58,098 --> 00:14:59,132
and tell him that?
295
00:14:59,165 --> 00:15:02,235
I was intentionally
lied to.
296
00:15:02,268 --> 00:15:03,469
She gave me her word
297
00:15:03,504 --> 00:15:05,105
she would stop
asking questions --
298
00:15:05,138 --> 00:15:07,541
And I maintain
I am allowed to lie.
299
00:15:07,574 --> 00:15:09,109
To an officer
of the court?
300
00:15:09,142 --> 00:15:10,376
Yes. It doesn't matter.
301
00:15:10,410 --> 00:15:11,545
Eddie Larson
didn't want a lawyer.
302
00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:13,213
The fact that I lied
to Mr. Berluti
303
00:15:13,246 --> 00:15:15,481
didn't influence
that decision.
304
00:15:15,516 --> 00:15:17,317
The supreme court
found this behavior
305
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:18,484
to be inappropriate,
objectionable --
306
00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:20,086
But ultimately legal.
307
00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,555
Under the federal
constitution.
308
00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:23,023
This is a case
309
00:15:23,056 --> 00:15:24,658
under the Massachusetts
constitution.
310
00:15:24,691 --> 00:15:26,492
And in the absence
of controlling
311
00:15:26,527 --> 00:15:28,729
state law interpretation,
the supreme court --
312
00:15:28,762 --> 00:15:30,363
Can I finish
what I'm saying?
313
00:15:30,396 --> 00:15:32,232
Please.
314
00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:36,069
As of now,
the states are divided.
315
00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:37,437
In some, it's still okay
316
00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,305
to keep a suspect
from his lawyer,
317
00:15:39,339 --> 00:15:42,175
but the majority of states
reject that rule.
318
00:15:42,208 --> 00:15:44,244
New York, California,
319
00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:47,047
Florida -- They all say
the same thing.
320
00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,615
A suspect
has a right to know
321
00:15:48,649 --> 00:15:51,051
when his lawyer
is trying to reach him.
322
00:15:51,084 --> 00:15:52,352
That's not the law
323
00:15:52,385 --> 00:15:53,754
in the Commonwealth
of Massachusetts.
324
00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:56,022
It's never been
addressed here.
325
00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:00,694
I'll take the matter
under advisement.
326
00:16:00,727 --> 00:16:03,463
I'll let you know
when I make a decision.
327
00:16:03,496 --> 00:16:05,566
Until then, we're adjourned.
328
00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:11,171
Come on, Helen.
329
00:16:11,204 --> 00:16:13,339
Oh, you know,
don't you start on me.
330
00:16:13,373 --> 00:16:15,308
I will.
What you did was --
331
00:16:15,341 --> 00:16:17,678
Look, you do what you do.
I do what I do.
332
00:16:17,711 --> 00:16:20,313
Why is it personal
every single time we --
333
00:16:20,346 --> 00:16:22,282
Because you lied to me,
and that's personal.
334
00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,384
Oh, you know,
for God's sake.
335
00:16:24,417 --> 00:16:27,621
-That's enough.
-You accuse innocent people
in an open courtroom --
336
00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:30,323
-This is different from that.
-All of you --
337
00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:33,293
Quiet!
338
00:16:33,326 --> 00:16:35,729
Wait till my ruling.
Until then,
339
00:16:35,762 --> 00:16:40,601
try to conduct yourselves
with some civility.
340
00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:57,350
Do you think
I was wrong?
341
00:16:57,383 --> 00:16:58,552
Absolutely not.
342
00:16:58,585 --> 00:17:01,588
Of course we're allowed
to lie.
343
00:17:01,622 --> 00:17:03,356
That's why
I went into law.
344
00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:07,260
Defense lawyers,
they cheat all the time,
345
00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:09,663
calling themselves
civil rights activists
346
00:17:09,696 --> 00:17:12,566
as they put serial killers
back out on the street.
347
00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,101
But with us,
it's a big double standard.
348
00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:20,206
I did feel
a little greasy,
349
00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,677
but, Richard,
without this confession,
350
00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:27,313
he'll go free.
351
00:17:27,347 --> 00:17:29,816
He dragged a woman
to death.
352
00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:33,219
You have nothing
to apologize for.
353
00:17:38,324 --> 00:17:41,294
I need the speech.
354
00:17:41,327 --> 00:17:43,564
Which one?
355
00:17:43,597 --> 00:17:46,499
Any one.
Just give me any speech.
356
00:17:54,808 --> 00:17:57,711
It's an evolving cesspool.
357
00:17:57,744 --> 00:18:00,781
With the proliferation
of drugs and guns,
358
00:18:00,814 --> 00:18:04,184
compounded with a total
national moral bankruptcy,
359
00:18:04,217 --> 00:18:05,852
kids being raised
with no compass
360
00:18:05,886 --> 00:18:07,420
of right and wrong,
361
00:18:07,453 --> 00:18:09,455
there is rape,
there is violence,
362
00:18:09,489 --> 00:18:12,659
there is depravity
on every street
363
00:18:12,693 --> 00:18:14,360
in every city,
364
00:18:14,394 --> 00:18:15,629
and with
the cancerous corruption
365
00:18:15,662 --> 00:18:17,263
of police officers,
366
00:18:17,297 --> 00:18:19,700
it now falls
to the district attorney alone
367
00:18:19,733 --> 00:18:21,301
to stem the tide,
368
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,737
to fight the outbreak
of lawlessness
369
00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:25,438
that is spreading
like a fungus.
370
00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:27,207
We are it, Helen --
371
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,810
The prosecuting attorney,
the district attorney,
372
00:18:29,843 --> 00:18:32,378
the noble prosecutor.
373
00:18:32,412 --> 00:18:33,547
We represent
the last bastion
374
00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:37,618
of morality, of justice,
and of truth,
375
00:18:37,651 --> 00:18:40,554
and if we have to lie
to keep it that way,
376
00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:42,623
we will damn well do it.
377
00:18:42,656 --> 00:18:45,659
(pager beeps)
378
00:18:49,429 --> 00:18:52,799
She's got her decision.
379
00:18:56,402 --> 00:18:58,304
Uh, Ms. Gamble?
380
00:18:58,338 --> 00:19:01,508
Hey. How's he doing?
381
00:19:01,542 --> 00:19:03,577
Well, you know, I wouldn't
have brought him,
382
00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:05,245
but he's a little clingy.
383
00:19:05,278 --> 00:19:06,613
Yeah.
384
00:19:06,647 --> 00:19:08,181
Is this unusual,
385
00:19:08,214 --> 00:19:09,916
that the judge
would rule so fast?
386
00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:13,520
I don't know. I'm hoping
it's a good sign.
387
00:19:13,554 --> 00:19:16,389
If she were going to depart
from the supreme court,
388
00:19:16,422 --> 00:19:18,525
I suspect
she would have taken
389
00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:21,227
at least a day or two
to consider that.
390
00:19:25,632 --> 00:19:28,334
Mr. Reed, my brother --
391
00:19:28,368 --> 00:19:29,870
I know.
392
00:19:29,903 --> 00:19:33,707
I basically
raised him myself.
393
00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:36,910
He's had some
problems with drugs,
394
00:19:36,943 --> 00:19:41,181
but he would never
intentionally hurt a person.
395
00:19:44,818 --> 00:19:47,621
I'm so sorry
for your loss, sir.
396
00:19:49,890 --> 00:19:51,892
We should go in.
397
00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:00,266
MAN: All rise.
398
00:20:05,906 --> 00:20:08,208
Be seated.
399
00:20:12,278 --> 00:20:14,548
Ms. Gamble,
while I understand
400
00:20:14,581 --> 00:20:17,350
your gallant pursuit of justice,
401
00:20:17,383 --> 00:20:20,253
it is unfortunate
you choose to do so
402
00:20:20,286 --> 00:20:23,023
at the expense
of your own integrity,
403
00:20:23,056 --> 00:20:25,692
as well as that
of the process.
404
00:20:25,726 --> 00:20:27,928
Nonetheless,
405
00:20:27,961 --> 00:20:30,496
the supreme court
has made its decision,
406
00:20:30,531 --> 00:20:32,533
and while I respectfully
disagree,
407
00:20:32,566 --> 00:20:34,300
I am bound to accept it.
408
00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:37,504
I find Ms. Gamble's actions
409
00:20:37,538 --> 00:20:40,741
did not violate
our federal constitution.
410
00:20:40,774 --> 00:20:45,045
The motion to suppress
on those grounds is denied.
411
00:20:45,078 --> 00:20:48,849
This is, however,
a state prosecution,
412
00:20:48,882 --> 00:20:51,484
and must be considered, also,
413
00:20:51,518 --> 00:20:54,688
in light
of our state constitution,
414
00:20:54,721 --> 00:20:57,791
which,
without binding precedent,
415
00:20:57,824 --> 00:20:59,993
I am charged to interpret
416
00:21:00,026 --> 00:21:02,495
to determine if it grants
417
00:21:02,529 --> 00:21:04,531
the citizens
of this commonwealth
418
00:21:04,565 --> 00:21:08,702
more protection than
our federal system provides.
419
00:21:08,735 --> 00:21:11,872
I find that it does.
420
00:21:11,905 --> 00:21:13,940
I find that in Massachusetts,
421
00:21:13,974 --> 00:21:16,442
the police must inform
a suspect
422
00:21:16,476 --> 00:21:19,445
when a lawyer tries
to render assistance.
423
00:21:19,479 --> 00:21:21,447
Your honor --
424
00:21:21,481 --> 00:21:23,049
Sit down, Ms. Gamble.
425
00:21:25,852 --> 00:21:28,889
Moreover, it's bad enough
426
00:21:28,922 --> 00:21:32,458
that we have D. A. s lying
to suspects,
427
00:21:32,492 --> 00:21:35,996
but when they start lying
to defense counsel as well...
428
00:21:37,698 --> 00:21:41,568
We are the system,
Ms. Gamble.
429
00:21:41,602 --> 00:21:45,839
The players have to play
honestly.
430
00:21:47,508 --> 00:21:51,778
Mr. Larson's confession
is hereby suppressed.
431
00:21:51,812 --> 00:21:55,649
Without the confession,
I find insufficient evidence
432
00:21:55,682 --> 00:21:57,851
to hold the defendant.
He is free to go.
433
00:21:57,884 --> 00:22:00,921
This case is dismissed
without prejudice.
434
00:22:00,954 --> 00:22:02,856
This court is adjourned.
435
00:22:07,928 --> 00:22:11,798
Thank you, Mr. Berluti.
Thank you.
436
00:22:11,832 --> 00:22:13,767
Congratulations.
437
00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:37,724
So, it's over?
438
00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:40,594
Well, we can always
re-file, but...
439
00:22:40,627 --> 00:22:41,828
But what?
440
00:22:41,862 --> 00:22:44,531
Well, without
the defendant's confession,
441
00:22:44,565 --> 00:22:47,000
we basically have
no case, Mr. Reed.
442
00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:49,803
What about the gloves?
I mean, they found the gloves.
443
00:22:49,836 --> 00:22:51,437
The gloves don't exactly
444
00:22:51,471 --> 00:22:53,439
tie the defendant
to the car.
445
00:22:53,473 --> 00:22:55,175
Plus, we can't use
the gloves.
446
00:22:55,208 --> 00:22:56,643
Why not?
447
00:22:56,677 --> 00:22:58,945
Because he told us
where to find them.
448
00:22:58,979 --> 00:23:01,114
Anything his confession
led us to --
449
00:23:01,147 --> 00:23:03,717
It's -- it's fruits
of a poisonous tree.
450
00:23:08,454 --> 00:23:11,024
So, you doing what you did
451
00:23:11,057 --> 00:23:15,028
basically secured
this man's freedom?
452
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:19,666
What I did appears
to have backfired, yes.
453
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:28,909
They can re-file.
454
00:23:28,942 --> 00:23:32,178
No double jeopardy
has attached.
455
00:23:32,212 --> 00:23:33,814
Have you got that, Eddie?
456
00:23:33,847 --> 00:23:35,849
You said it six times,
Mr. Young.
457
00:23:35,882 --> 00:23:37,584
Do I seem like an idiot?
458
00:23:37,618 --> 00:23:40,053
Do you seem like an idiot?
You confessed.
459
00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:43,790
You believed the D. A.
when she told he had
the death penalty coming.
460
00:23:43,824 --> 00:23:45,191
I'm not a lawyer.
461
00:23:45,225 --> 00:23:47,794
That's why it's important
you listen to us.
462
00:23:47,828 --> 00:23:51,031
If anyone comes calling
for an interview, say no.
463
00:23:51,064 --> 00:23:53,499
Right now
all the prosecution evidence
464
00:23:53,534 --> 00:23:55,502
is connected to the confession,
465
00:23:55,536 --> 00:23:58,204
and as long as it stays
that way, you stay free.
466
00:23:58,238 --> 00:24:00,140
He's not going to
talk to anybody.
467
00:24:00,173 --> 00:24:01,207
I'll make sure of that.
468
00:24:01,241 --> 00:24:02,909
I'm not a murderer,
Mr. Young.
469
00:24:02,943 --> 00:24:04,044
EUGENE: Eddie...
470
00:24:04,077 --> 00:24:06,747
All right, we don't need
to do this.
471
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:11,985
I didn't even know
there was a kid in the car,
472
00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:14,187
and I didn't know she --
473
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:15,956
I just sped away.
474
00:24:15,989 --> 00:24:18,625
I didn't know
she was caught in the door.
475
00:24:18,659 --> 00:24:19,960
You didn't hear her?
476
00:24:19,993 --> 00:24:21,995
No, I didn't hear
anything.
477
00:24:22,028 --> 00:24:26,967
Until from the back seat,
I heard a little...voice.
478
00:24:31,071 --> 00:24:33,039
I heard, "Where's mommy?"
479
00:24:35,008 --> 00:24:37,511
I turned
and I saw him --
480
00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:40,246
A little boy.
481
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,849
That must have been
when I ran the stop sign.
482
00:24:47,087 --> 00:24:49,790
And when I got
out of the car...
483
00:24:52,192 --> 00:24:55,562
I saw her lying there.
484
00:24:55,596 --> 00:24:57,998
I didn't even know
what I'd done.
485
00:25:01,334 --> 00:25:03,970
LUCY: Uh, he's in
a meeting right now.
486
00:25:04,004 --> 00:25:05,972
MAN: We're with the FBI.
487
00:25:06,006 --> 00:25:07,908
I think you better
go get him.
488
00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:09,976
Um, sir,
he's behind closed doors.
489
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:12,012
MAN:
Miss, we're going to get him
with your permission
490
00:25:12,045 --> 00:25:15,315
-or without your permission --
-LUCY: Okay, I'll get him.
491
00:25:15,348 --> 00:25:17,551
They say they're FBI.
492
00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:19,019
What's going on?
493
00:25:19,052 --> 00:25:20,821
We're here to arrest
Edward Larson.
494
00:25:20,854 --> 00:25:22,623
-EUGENE: Why?
-What's happening?
495
00:25:22,656 --> 00:25:24,157
Edward Larson,
you're under arrest
496
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:25,892
for the murder
of Constance Reed.
497
00:25:25,926 --> 00:25:26,993
Hold on.
498
00:25:27,027 --> 00:25:28,629
Those charges
were dismissed.
499
00:25:28,662 --> 00:25:31,164
The charge is
federal carjacking,
500
00:25:31,197 --> 00:25:33,099
pursuant to title 18,
501
00:25:33,133 --> 00:25:35,101
United States code,
section 21-19.
502
00:25:35,135 --> 00:25:36,837
-You have no right to do this.
-Wait a second.
503
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:38,605
You have the right
to remain silent.
504
00:25:38,639 --> 00:25:39,806
-You have no right.
-Who's doing this?
505
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,141
Put your hands
behind your back, sir.
506
00:25:41,174 --> 00:25:43,076
Don't say anything, Eddie.
We'll meet you down there.
507
00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:46,312
Don't say anything
to these people.
508
00:26:02,963 --> 00:26:05,031
Are you behind it?
509
00:26:05,065 --> 00:26:07,668
Ellenor, I can't talk
to you about this.
510
00:26:07,701 --> 00:26:09,035
Why?
511
00:26:09,069 --> 00:26:11,104
Why? Because you're
a partner there.
512
00:26:11,137 --> 00:26:12,906
As roommates, we can --
513
00:26:12,939 --> 00:26:15,008
As roommates, we fight
over Scrabble.
514
00:26:15,041 --> 00:26:17,310
Please, I'm not about
to discuss this case.
515
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:22,616
Can you just tell me
why you're pushing it so?
516
00:26:22,649 --> 00:26:24,685
He did kill a woman.
517
00:26:24,718 --> 00:26:27,120
Have we all
lost sight of that?
518
00:26:27,153 --> 00:26:29,723
Nearly all of your cases
are homicides, Helen.
519
00:26:29,756 --> 00:26:33,326
You're pushing harder
on this one.
520
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,762
Why?
521
00:26:35,796 --> 00:26:38,164
You know what went
through my mind that night
522
00:26:38,198 --> 00:26:41,768
as they were pulling
that little boy from the car
523
00:26:41,802 --> 00:26:44,905
and his mother was
laying dead on the street?
524
00:26:44,938 --> 00:26:48,642
I thought of you
and I thought of Lindsay,
525
00:26:48,675 --> 00:26:52,879
and I tried
to imagine your child
526
00:26:52,913 --> 00:26:55,882
having to...
527
00:26:55,916 --> 00:26:57,751
if you were killed.
528
00:26:59,853 --> 00:27:04,390
And I couldn't even
imagine it, Ellenor.
529
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,165
I also made a promise
to that husband,
530
00:27:12,198 --> 00:27:13,934
the father.
531
00:27:20,006 --> 00:27:21,441
To answer your question,
532
00:27:21,474 --> 00:27:25,879
yeah...I'm behind it.
533
00:27:32,953 --> 00:27:35,088
This is blatant
forum shopping, your honor.
534
00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:38,458
They lost in state court,
so now they try federal.
535
00:27:38,491 --> 00:27:40,360
We're certainly not
bound by state court.
536
00:27:40,393 --> 00:27:41,995
You're bound
by fairness.
537
00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:43,730
Well, I don't see
the problem, Mr. Young.
538
00:27:43,764 --> 00:27:45,966
Your client is charged
with a federal crime,
539
00:27:45,999 --> 00:27:48,434
and that charge should be
heard in a federal court.
540
00:27:48,468 --> 00:27:50,003
Well, as you can see,
541
00:27:50,036 --> 00:27:51,938
the state court threw out
the confession
542
00:27:51,972 --> 00:27:53,239
because it was obtained
543
00:27:53,273 --> 00:27:55,141
after the local D.A.
lied to counsel.
544
00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,377
Yes, Judge Kittleson
made the determination
545
00:27:57,410 --> 00:27:59,713
that lying to counsel
was impermissible
546
00:27:59,746 --> 00:28:01,114
under Massachusetts law,
547
00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:02,983
but again,
we're in federal court now,
548
00:28:03,016 --> 00:28:04,951
and what
the district attorney did
549
00:28:04,985 --> 00:28:06,887
is permissible
under federal law.
550
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,290
Look, my client was coerced
into confessing,
551
00:28:10,323 --> 00:28:11,992
not by
the federal government --
552
00:28:12,025 --> 00:28:15,461
by a state prosecutor
acting under state authority.
553
00:28:15,495 --> 00:28:19,165
Now you're saying something
completely different.
554
00:28:19,199 --> 00:28:20,734
Are you suggesting
555
00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:23,169
the confession
wasn't voluntary?
556
00:28:23,203 --> 00:28:26,072
Yes. In addition
to Helen Gamble lying to me,
557
00:28:26,106 --> 00:28:27,508
she coerced the defendant
558
00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:29,976
with the threat
of a death sentence.
559
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:33,413
Well, if you want to move
to suppress on that,
560
00:28:33,446 --> 00:28:34,881
I'll hear you,
561
00:28:34,915 --> 00:28:37,818
but her lying to you --
She can do it.
562
00:28:37,851 --> 00:28:39,452
What do you want to do?
563
00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:42,088
We're moving to suppress
on grounds
564
00:28:42,122 --> 00:28:44,525
that the confession
was a result
565
00:28:44,558 --> 00:28:46,192
of government coercion.
566
00:28:46,226 --> 00:28:50,531
11:00.
Have your witnesses ready.
567
00:28:50,564 --> 00:28:53,466
Well, hold on one second.
568
00:28:55,168 --> 00:28:57,103
Our client is stupid.
569
00:28:57,137 --> 00:29:00,006
And why should that
concern me?
570
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,775
Well, I'd ask, your honor,
571
00:29:01,808 --> 00:29:04,945
that whatever he says
in this suppression hearing,
572
00:29:04,978 --> 00:29:07,280
it can't be used against him
in trial.
573
00:29:07,313 --> 00:29:09,182
What?
574
00:29:09,215 --> 00:29:10,350
We would never let this idiot
take the stand,
575
00:29:10,383 --> 00:29:11,952
not in a million years,
576
00:29:11,985 --> 00:29:14,788
but he's the only one
who can testify
577
00:29:14,821 --> 00:29:17,123
as to what happened
in that interrogation room.
578
00:29:17,157 --> 00:29:19,325
So, what do you want me
to do?
579
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,361
I want you to give him
testimonial immunity.
580
00:29:21,394 --> 00:29:22,929
You can't be serious.
581
00:29:22,963 --> 00:29:25,231
Mr. Young, they can't
use his testimony
582
00:29:25,265 --> 00:29:26,800
as part
of its case-in-chief,
583
00:29:26,833 --> 00:29:28,201
but to impeach --
584
00:29:28,234 --> 00:29:29,570
I'm not talking
about impeachment.
585
00:29:29,603 --> 00:29:31,471
I'm talking about new evidence
586
00:29:31,505 --> 00:29:33,807
that my client might be
stupid enough to give them --
587
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,242
New information that
the government doesn't
have yet,
588
00:29:36,276 --> 00:29:38,478
and if he does,
I need an order.
589
00:29:38,512 --> 00:29:40,480
Anything they learn
from my client
590
00:29:40,514 --> 00:29:42,315
can't be used against him.
591
00:29:42,348 --> 00:29:45,251
That has never been granted
for new evidence.
592
00:29:45,285 --> 00:29:47,954
Otherwise, the government
gets a potential windfall
593
00:29:47,988 --> 00:29:49,923
from a coerced confession.
594
00:29:49,956 --> 00:29:51,892
He has a point.
595
00:29:51,925 --> 00:29:53,426
No, first of all,
it wasn't coercion.
596
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:55,596
We won't know that
till we have a hearing,
597
00:29:55,629 --> 00:29:57,063
and the hearing would be
598
00:29:57,097 --> 00:29:58,832
Eddie Larson's version
of events.
599
00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:01,067
And there's no way
I can put him on the stand
600
00:30:01,101 --> 00:30:03,469
if we what he says can be
used against him in trial.
601
00:30:03,504 --> 00:30:05,872
I need immunity.
602
00:30:05,906 --> 00:30:08,008
I oppose.
603
00:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,244
I'm granting
the defendant's request.
604
00:30:11,277 --> 00:30:13,313
On what authority?
You're granting him
605
00:30:13,346 --> 00:30:15,181
special protection
on grounds of stupidity?
606
00:30:15,215 --> 00:30:16,983
When an ingenious
district attorney
607
00:30:17,017 --> 00:30:19,019
preys on that stupidity,
yes.
608
00:30:19,052 --> 00:30:21,154
He gets use immunity
609
00:30:21,187 --> 00:30:23,557
for his testimony
at this hearing only.
610
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:27,093
Now, let's all get real
for a second.
611
00:30:27,127 --> 00:30:30,196
If the confession
gets tossed,
612
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:31,632
the man goes free.
613
00:30:31,665 --> 00:30:33,199
If it survives,
614
00:30:33,233 --> 00:30:35,168
he's looking
at a sure conviction
615
00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:36,870
with a life sentence.
616
00:30:36,903 --> 00:30:39,573
There's got to be
a meeting place, gentlemen.
617
00:30:39,606 --> 00:30:41,508
Let him plead
to the charge,
618
00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:43,109
cap a sentence
at 10 years,
619
00:30:43,143 --> 00:30:44,878
then we can all sleep.
620
00:30:44,911 --> 00:30:48,448
We'll take that
to our client.
621
00:30:51,117 --> 00:30:52,953
No.
622
00:30:52,986 --> 00:30:54,955
You're sure, Mr. Sanders?
623
00:30:54,988 --> 00:30:57,257
I'm sure.
624
00:30:58,391 --> 00:31:00,226
See you all
in one hour.
625
00:31:11,337 --> 00:31:13,507
First, she told me
they had witnesses,
626
00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:15,408
which turned out
to be a lie.
627
00:31:15,441 --> 00:31:17,077
Then she tells me
628
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:19,412
Massachusetts is about
to pass the death penalty.
629
00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:22,082
-Did you believe her?
-Yes, I did.
630
00:31:22,115 --> 00:31:24,050
She said they were
passing it everywhere
631
00:31:24,084 --> 00:31:26,419
and that Massachusetts
was about three weeks away,
632
00:31:26,452 --> 00:31:28,354
and I would be executed.
633
00:31:28,388 --> 00:31:32,025
Carjack, dead mother,
city councilman --
634
00:31:32,058 --> 00:31:33,627
That was also a lie.
635
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:35,662
The husband isn't really
a city councilman.
636
00:31:35,696 --> 00:31:38,999
Let's just stick to what
Ms. Gamble told you.
637
00:31:39,032 --> 00:31:41,968
She looked me
right in the eyes and said,
638
00:31:42,002 --> 00:31:44,137
"You are going to die."
639
00:31:44,170 --> 00:31:45,506
What else?
640
00:31:45,539 --> 00:31:47,140
She said
she could help me.
641
00:31:47,173 --> 00:31:48,474
If I confessed,
642
00:31:48,509 --> 00:31:49,943
she could keep me
from dying,
643
00:31:49,976 --> 00:31:51,945
that she'd do a favor
for you
644
00:31:51,978 --> 00:31:53,614
'cause you're friends
with my sister.
645
00:31:53,647 --> 00:31:57,450
Mr. Larson, were you
in actual fear of dying?
646
00:31:57,483 --> 00:32:00,587
Yes.
She said Paul Cellucci
saw it in the news
647
00:32:00,621 --> 00:32:02,122
and he was
waiting outside.
648
00:32:02,155 --> 00:32:03,489
She told you that
649
00:32:03,524 --> 00:32:05,258
Governor Cellucci
was at the police station?
650
00:32:05,291 --> 00:32:07,528
And he'd score
big points with the president
651
00:32:07,561 --> 00:32:08,995
by executing me.
652
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:12,332
So when you decided
to confess this crime
653
00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:13,700
to Ms. Gamble...
654
00:32:13,734 --> 00:32:16,703
I thought I had to
in order to save my life.
655
00:32:16,737 --> 00:32:19,706
If I didn't tell her
what she wanted to hear,
656
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:21,708
I was dead.
657
00:32:21,742 --> 00:32:24,711
Thank you, sir.
658
00:32:27,714 --> 00:32:30,984
Ms. Gamble told you
there were witnesses
659
00:32:31,017 --> 00:32:33,153
who saw you
get in the car?
660
00:32:33,186 --> 00:32:35,088
Yes.
661
00:32:35,121 --> 00:32:37,457
Witnesses who saw you
drive off, dragging the wife?
662
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:39,192
Yes.
663
00:32:39,225 --> 00:32:40,994
Did you know right then
664
00:32:41,027 --> 00:32:42,128
that she was lying
to you, sir,
665
00:32:42,162 --> 00:32:45,265
or did you find out later?
666
00:32:45,298 --> 00:32:47,233
I found out later.
667
00:32:47,267 --> 00:32:49,302
So you were afraid
668
00:32:49,335 --> 00:32:51,705
people really did
see you commit the crime?
669
00:32:51,738 --> 00:32:53,306
Yes, I was.
670
00:32:53,339 --> 00:32:55,308
And you believed
671
00:32:55,341 --> 00:32:57,744
Massachusetts was about
to pass the death penalty?
672
00:32:57,778 --> 00:32:59,646
Yes.
673
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,582
And you believed
Governor Cellucci
674
00:33:01,615 --> 00:33:03,650
personally came down
to the police station
675
00:33:03,684 --> 00:33:05,485
to see
that you were executed?
676
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,688
She told me he was friends
with George W. Bush.
677
00:33:07,721 --> 00:33:09,590
That's right.
678
00:33:09,623 --> 00:33:12,593
I did tell him he could get
the death penalty, yes.
679
00:33:12,626 --> 00:33:14,494
And Governor Cellucci.
680
00:33:14,528 --> 00:33:16,563
Well, I don't know
whether he bought that.
681
00:33:16,597 --> 00:33:18,231
What seemed to make
an impression
682
00:33:18,264 --> 00:33:20,200
was the idea
that we had witnesses.
683
00:33:20,233 --> 00:33:22,636
How did that
make an impression?
684
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:24,404
I told him he was seen
getting into the car
685
00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:25,739
dragging the woman.
686
00:33:25,772 --> 00:33:29,242
I also said the driver
of the pickup made him.
687
00:33:29,275 --> 00:33:31,077
When I told him that,
his face dropped.
688
00:33:31,111 --> 00:33:32,513
He knew he was facing
a conviction.
689
00:33:32,546 --> 00:33:35,081
-Objection.
-In my opinion.
690
00:33:35,115 --> 00:33:38,351
What else
did you say to him?
691
00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:40,220
That was pretty much it.
692
00:33:40,253 --> 00:33:43,223
I mainly tried to sympathize
as best as I could
693
00:33:43,256 --> 00:33:46,159
so he would believe me
when I promised to help him.
694
00:33:46,192 --> 00:33:49,129
And did you plan
on helping him, Ms. Gamble?
695
00:33:49,162 --> 00:33:50,797
No.
696
00:33:50,831 --> 00:33:53,634
You're the only person who had
the opportunity to observe
697
00:33:53,667 --> 00:33:56,603
what it was that persuaded
Mr. Larson to confess.
698
00:33:56,637 --> 00:33:58,539
That's correct.
699
00:33:58,572 --> 00:34:00,140
In your opinion,
700
00:34:00,173 --> 00:34:02,342
what did persuade him?
701
00:34:02,375 --> 00:34:05,612
Basically, it seemed
he knew he was caught,
702
00:34:05,646 --> 00:34:09,082
and his only shot for leniency
was to cooperate.
703
00:34:09,115 --> 00:34:11,317
Thank you, Ms. Gamble.
704
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,289
That's what
convinced him, huh?
705
00:34:16,322 --> 00:34:17,824
That he was caught.
706
00:34:17,858 --> 00:34:19,392
In my opinion.
707
00:34:19,425 --> 00:34:21,562
Your opinion.
In a way,
708
00:34:21,595 --> 00:34:23,830
we kind of have to take
your word on that, don't we?
709
00:34:23,864 --> 00:34:26,700
Ms. Gamble, the night
my client was arrested
710
00:34:26,733 --> 00:34:29,335
we had a conversation
in the precinct,
711
00:34:29,369 --> 00:34:31,404
a conversation
where you promised
712
00:34:31,437 --> 00:34:33,373
not to question my client.
Correct?
713
00:34:33,406 --> 00:34:34,575
Yes.
714
00:34:34,608 --> 00:34:36,543
You gave me your word.
Isn't that right?
715
00:34:36,577 --> 00:34:38,244
Yes.
716
00:34:38,278 --> 00:34:39,646
And after waiting for me
to leave, you nonetheless
717
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,715
continued to question him.
718
00:34:41,748 --> 00:34:43,650
Yes, but to be clear,
that is a legal tactic
719
00:34:43,684 --> 00:34:46,887
authorized by the United
States Supreme Court.
720
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,822
Is it a legal tactic
to lie here today?
721
00:34:48,855 --> 00:34:51,291
Objection. This hearing isn't
about what Ms. Gamble
722
00:34:51,324 --> 00:34:52,458
told Mr. Berluti.
723
00:34:52,492 --> 00:34:54,494
Ms. Gamble
is giving testimony
724
00:34:54,528 --> 00:34:56,530
that puts her credibility
in issue.
725
00:34:56,563 --> 00:34:58,832
The fact that she lied
to counsel
726
00:34:58,865 --> 00:35:00,366
goes to her credibility,
727
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,735
her reputation
for truthfulness.
728
00:35:01,768 --> 00:35:03,570
I'll allow it.
729
00:35:03,604 --> 00:35:05,506
You lied to me,
didn't you, Helen?
730
00:35:05,539 --> 00:35:07,240
Objection
to the informality.
731
00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:08,775
The informality is
because we're friends.
732
00:35:08,809 --> 00:35:10,410
Are we not friends,
Helen?
733
00:35:10,443 --> 00:35:11,845
I don't know, Jimmy.
Are we?
734
00:35:11,878 --> 00:35:13,514
You lied to a friend --
735
00:35:13,547 --> 00:35:16,382
-Objection.
-JUDGE: All right, Mr. Berluti.
736
00:35:16,416 --> 00:35:18,418
After you left
that interview room to see me,
737
00:35:18,451 --> 00:35:20,153
and you went back in,
738
00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:22,623
you told Mr. Larson
that you went out
739
00:35:22,656 --> 00:35:25,826
-to see Governor Cellucci,
didn't you?
-Yes.
740
00:35:25,859 --> 00:35:27,928
And did you tell him Governor
Cellucci witnessed the crime?
741
00:35:27,961 --> 00:35:29,495
No.
742
00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:31,565
You told him Governor Cellucci
had an interest
743
00:35:31,598 --> 00:35:35,168
in seeing Mr. Larson
put to death, didn't you?
744
00:35:35,201 --> 00:35:36,703
I intimated that, yes.
745
00:35:36,737 --> 00:35:38,539
And it was shortly after that
746
00:35:38,572 --> 00:35:40,607
Mr. Larson gave you
this confession, wasn't it?
747
00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:42,242
That was the timing of it,
748
00:35:42,275 --> 00:35:44,444
not necessarily
the reason for it.
749
00:35:44,477 --> 00:35:46,680
I guess we have
your word on that.
750
00:35:46,713 --> 00:35:48,649
SANDERS:
Objection.
751
00:35:49,716 --> 00:35:51,284
Nothing further.
752
00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:54,287
JUDGE: Mr. Sanders?
753
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,456
Nothing else, your honor.
754
00:35:56,489 --> 00:35:58,424
All right,
the witness may step down.
755
00:35:58,458 --> 00:36:00,894
Does the defense
have anything else?
756
00:36:00,927 --> 00:36:03,263
I'd like to make
a closing statement, your honor.
757
00:36:03,296 --> 00:36:04,665
I'll hear you.
758
00:36:12,405 --> 00:36:15,709
She told him he would die.
759
00:36:15,742 --> 00:36:18,378
Clearly, the intent was
to scare him,
760
00:36:18,411 --> 00:36:19,445
to put him in fear
for his life,
761
00:36:19,479 --> 00:36:20,814
and it worked.
762
00:36:20,847 --> 00:36:23,617
But when you put a gun
to somebody's head,
763
00:36:23,650 --> 00:36:26,486
and effectively, that's exactly
what Helen Gamble did,
764
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,455
you can't call the resulting
behavior voluntary.
765
00:36:29,489 --> 00:36:31,424
The coercion here
was blatant,
766
00:36:31,457 --> 00:36:32,926
it was egregious,
767
00:36:32,959 --> 00:36:35,596
and it is illegal
under our constitution --
768
00:36:35,629 --> 00:36:37,397
The federal one.
769
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:39,600
Now, the United States
Supreme Court has spoken
770
00:36:39,633 --> 00:36:42,335
on this, and they've done so
unequivocally, your honor.
771
00:36:42,368 --> 00:36:46,472
Confessions are not admissible
if they are not voluntary.
772
00:36:46,507 --> 00:36:47,874
She told him,
773
00:36:47,908 --> 00:36:51,011
"You will die
if you don't confess."
774
00:36:51,044 --> 00:36:55,749
Mr. Larson made this confession
to save his life.
775
00:36:55,782 --> 00:36:58,552
It was involuntary,
it was coercion,
776
00:36:58,585 --> 00:37:00,286
and as a matter of law,
777
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,388
it is unconstitutional.
778
00:37:10,296 --> 00:37:15,035
Mr. Larson was given
his Miranda rights.
779
00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,370
He could have stayed
in that room
780
00:37:17,403 --> 00:37:19,372
and remained silent,
and there would have been
781
00:37:19,405 --> 00:37:21,908
nothing Ms. Gamble
or anybody else could have done
782
00:37:21,942 --> 00:37:23,510
to make him talk.
783
00:37:23,544 --> 00:37:25,712
Once he started talking,
784
00:37:25,746 --> 00:37:28,281
Ms. Gamble had every right --
in fact, she had a duty --
785
00:37:28,314 --> 00:37:29,550
to interrogate him.
786
00:37:29,583 --> 00:37:31,451
Once you start talking
to the police,
787
00:37:31,484 --> 00:37:33,554
they have the right
to talk back, to question,
788
00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:36,623
and, yes, to interrogate.
789
00:37:36,657 --> 00:37:38,525
Every interrogation,
your honor,
790
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:40,561
almost every one of them,
791
00:37:40,594 --> 00:37:42,896
the police interrogator
threatens the suspect
792
00:37:42,929 --> 00:37:44,798
with the sanctions
of the law --
793
00:37:44,831 --> 00:37:47,534
Cooperate, or you'll be
punished more severely.
794
00:37:47,568 --> 00:37:50,904
That's an interrogational tactic
employed by every detective.
795
00:37:50,937 --> 00:37:54,741
And Helen Gamble threatened
Eddie Larson that way,
796
00:37:54,775 --> 00:37:57,811
said he would be punished
to the full effect of the law,
797
00:37:57,844 --> 00:37:59,746
that being
the death penalty.
798
00:37:59,780 --> 00:38:01,615
Yes, except that Massachusetts
799
00:38:01,648 --> 00:38:03,083
doesn't have
capital punishment.
800
00:38:03,116 --> 00:38:05,451
No, they don't, but that
goes to trickery, your honor.
801
00:38:05,485 --> 00:38:07,387
Yes, she tricked him.
Yes, she lied,
802
00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:10,390
but there is no constitutional
prohibition against that.
803
00:38:10,423 --> 00:38:14,661
We are allowed to lie
to suspects if we have to.
804
00:38:14,695 --> 00:38:17,931
The kind of threat
Mr. Young speaks of,
805
00:38:17,964 --> 00:38:19,933
the kind banned
by the supreme court --
806
00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:22,503
that goes to the threat
of physical force
807
00:38:22,536 --> 00:38:24,505
or the threat of lawlessness.
808
00:38:24,538 --> 00:38:26,507
Nowhere ever
does the court say
809
00:38:26,540 --> 00:38:28,509
that a police interrogation
810
00:38:28,542 --> 00:38:31,411
can't threaten
aggressive prosecution,
811
00:38:31,444 --> 00:38:35,348
and that is all
Helen Gamble did.
812
00:38:35,381 --> 00:38:37,584
Now, finally your honor,
813
00:38:37,618 --> 00:38:39,686
let us remember
the underlying concern
814
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,688
the court had about coercion.
815
00:38:41,722 --> 00:38:44,090
The worry was,
an innocent man
816
00:38:44,124 --> 00:38:48,061
might confess to something
he didn't do.
817
00:38:48,094 --> 00:38:50,897
Now, that concern clearly
isn't in play here.
818
00:38:50,931 --> 00:38:53,366
Mr. Larson dragged
that woman to death.
819
00:38:53,399 --> 00:38:56,069
He said as much.
820
00:38:56,102 --> 00:38:58,739
Now, that may not be
technically relevant
821
00:38:58,772 --> 00:39:01,441
for the purpose
of this hearing,
822
00:39:01,474 --> 00:39:05,111
but I think your honor
might consider it for texture.
823
00:39:05,145 --> 00:39:07,581
Every case...
824
00:39:07,614 --> 00:39:10,116
has a context.
825
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:13,486
A woman is dead,
826
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,724
and we're not here
asking you for a conviction,
827
00:39:17,758 --> 00:39:23,630
but at least give us a trial.
828
00:39:34,675 --> 00:39:37,744
Do you think he'll take
a long time to decide?
829
00:39:37,778 --> 00:39:39,746
Well, he asked us
to stick around.
830
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:41,882
That tells me
it'll be quick.
831
00:39:43,216 --> 00:39:45,018
What do you think?
832
00:39:45,051 --> 00:39:46,920
I don't know, Karen.
833
00:39:46,953 --> 00:39:49,523
I think the confession
was coerced,
834
00:39:49,556 --> 00:39:53,760
but no judge likes to put
a guilty man back out there.
835
00:39:55,061 --> 00:39:59,833
I just don't want him
to lose his whole life.
836
00:40:01,802 --> 00:40:03,537
Here comes Eugene.
837
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:09,543
They still don't want
to deal.
838
00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:12,713
It's in the judge's hands,
Karen.
839
00:40:14,848 --> 00:40:16,216
Thank you, Ms. Gamble.
840
00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:18,051
I know how hard
you've tried here.
841
00:40:18,084 --> 00:40:22,556
Listen, I may have made
a mistake with the confession.
842
00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:25,091
If so, um...
843
00:40:36,703 --> 00:40:39,873
BAILIFF: All rise.
844
00:40:51,952 --> 00:40:56,089
The problem in making
these determinations,
845
00:40:56,122 --> 00:40:59,092
the test is mainly objective.
846
00:40:59,125 --> 00:41:00,927
It has to be.
847
00:41:00,961 --> 00:41:05,265
Constitutional rights
can't be customized
848
00:41:05,298 --> 00:41:08,735
depending on the intelligence
of the suspect.
849
00:41:08,769 --> 00:41:12,205
We apply
a reasonable man test.
850
00:41:12,238 --> 00:41:15,041
Here, the reasonable man
851
00:41:15,075 --> 00:41:17,143
quite likely
wouldn't have felt coerced
852
00:41:17,177 --> 00:41:19,780
by Ms. Gamble's conduct.
853
00:41:19,813 --> 00:41:22,783
The reasonable man quite likely
wouldn't have thought
854
00:41:22,816 --> 00:41:25,051
that governor Cellucci
was waiting in the wings
855
00:41:25,085 --> 00:41:26,753
or that the death penalty
856
00:41:26,787 --> 00:41:28,755
was about to pass
into legislation,
857
00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:31,792
but the test has
858
00:41:31,825 --> 00:41:34,628
a modicum of subjectivity.
859
00:41:34,661 --> 00:41:36,863
Most criminals are stupid.
860
00:41:36,897 --> 00:41:39,966
While I'm loath to start
giving them special protection
861
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,035
for the very lapses of judgment
862
00:41:42,068 --> 00:41:44,037
which factor
into their decisions
863
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:46,740
to commit crimes
in the first place,
864
00:41:46,773 --> 00:41:49,543
the bottom line is
we have to decide
865
00:41:49,576 --> 00:41:52,045
on a case-by-case basis.
866
00:41:52,078 --> 00:41:56,149
Was the confession
made voluntarily?
867
00:41:56,182 --> 00:41:58,719
To really know,
we would have to get
868
00:41:58,752 --> 00:42:00,821
inside Mr. Larson's
roomy skull,
869
00:42:00,854 --> 00:42:02,923
which we really can't do.
870
00:42:02,956 --> 00:42:05,926
Based on what I've heard
in this room,
871
00:42:05,959 --> 00:42:09,229
I feel Mr. Larson
was in fact...
872
00:42:09,262 --> 00:42:10,931
coerced,
873
00:42:10,964 --> 00:42:14,635
and I'm suppressing
the confession.
874
00:42:14,668 --> 00:42:16,737
I therefore also
dismiss the case
875
00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:19,072
without prejudice,
876
00:42:19,105 --> 00:42:20,974
and the defendant
is free to go.
877
00:42:30,350 --> 00:42:32,185
Again...
878
00:42:32,218 --> 00:42:34,320
thank you.
879
00:42:36,189 --> 00:42:38,024
Will I be arrested
anymore?
880
00:42:38,058 --> 00:42:40,060
I don't think so.
881
00:42:46,833 --> 00:42:48,368
Set?
882
00:42:48,401 --> 00:42:50,604
Yeah.
883
00:42:55,942 --> 00:42:57,310
We'll see you.
884
00:42:57,343 --> 00:42:59,245
Okay, thanks.
885
00:43:43,189 --> 00:43:46,226
♪ (theme)
886
00:44:07,247 --> 00:44:09,115
You stinker!
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