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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,307 --> 00:00:10,611 Hi, I'm looking for... her. 2 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:11,745 Lindsay. 3 00:00:11,778 --> 00:00:13,580 Jeannie? Hey. 4 00:00:13,614 --> 00:00:14,581 Hi. 5 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:16,349 (chuckles) How are you? 6 00:00:16,382 --> 00:00:18,685 I'm fine. I see I don't have to ask what's new. 7 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:20,153 Yeah, about five months. 8 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:21,487 I knew her when she was a virgin. 9 00:00:21,522 --> 00:00:23,123 LINDSAY: Funny. 10 00:00:23,156 --> 00:00:24,791 Listen, you got two seconds? I'm on a major clock. 11 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:26,392 Sure. 12 00:00:26,426 --> 00:00:29,395 You must be a witch. I have been meaning to call you. 13 00:00:29,429 --> 00:00:30,797 Yeah, yeah. 14 00:00:30,831 --> 00:00:33,233 Thanks for inviting me to the wedding, by the way. 15 00:00:33,266 --> 00:00:35,235 -Eloped. -Right. 16 00:00:35,268 --> 00:00:37,638 Listen-- William Hinks. 17 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:41,407 I've been treating him. 18 00:00:41,441 --> 00:00:43,143 The William Hinks? 19 00:00:43,176 --> 00:00:44,511 Yes. 20 00:00:44,545 --> 00:00:46,513 Did he start killing people 21 00:00:46,547 --> 00:00:48,515 after you began treating him, or... 22 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:49,816 That's cute. 23 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:54,154 (sighs) I don't think he did it. 24 00:00:54,187 --> 00:00:56,356 What do you mean, you don't think he did it? He confessed. 25 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:58,525 I think he fabricated that confession. 26 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:00,393 He made up that he killed nine people? 27 00:01:00,426 --> 00:01:01,394 Yes. 28 00:01:01,427 --> 00:01:02,529 And fooled the police? 29 00:01:02,563 --> 00:01:03,730 It's complicated. 30 00:01:03,764 --> 00:01:05,666 Listen, as you probably know, 31 00:01:05,699 --> 00:01:07,634 the trial starts in two days. 32 00:01:07,668 --> 00:01:09,670 He just fired his attorney. 33 00:01:09,703 --> 00:01:11,371 The judge, I'm told, 34 00:01:11,404 --> 00:01:13,206 is not likely to grant him much of a continuance. 35 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:17,310 He'll probably assign a public defender, and... 36 00:01:17,343 --> 00:01:20,313 Lindsay, would you consider doing it? 37 00:01:20,346 --> 00:01:22,649 Defending William Hinks? 38 00:01:22,683 --> 00:01:25,652 You've become this big star. I read about you now. 39 00:01:25,686 --> 00:01:29,155 I don't do serial killers, Jeannie. 40 00:01:29,189 --> 00:01:32,526 Lindsay, I believe the man didn't do it. 41 00:01:32,559 --> 00:01:34,427 Yes, he says he did, 42 00:01:34,460 --> 00:01:36,429 but as good as you are at what you do, 43 00:01:36,462 --> 00:01:38,431 I am just as good at what I do, 44 00:01:38,464 --> 00:01:40,701 and I'm telling you, I have become 45 00:01:40,734 --> 00:01:43,169 more and more convinced he's delusional. 46 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:45,438 William Hinks is not the serial killer 47 00:01:45,471 --> 00:01:46,840 who murdered those women, 48 00:01:46,873 --> 00:01:49,810 and right now he needs a good lawyer. 49 00:01:52,579 --> 00:01:55,582 ♪ (theme) 50 00:02:45,231 --> 00:02:46,767 BOBBY: I don't think you should take it. 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,369 My first instinct was not to, but she says he's innocent. 52 00:02:49,402 --> 00:02:50,737 I don't know, Lindsay. 53 00:02:50,771 --> 00:02:52,272 How do you start such a monster of a trial 54 00:02:52,305 --> 00:02:53,574 on two days' notice? 55 00:02:53,607 --> 00:02:55,375 The defense is fully developed. 56 00:02:55,408 --> 00:02:56,910 John Moore was the lawyer. He's good. 57 00:02:56,943 --> 00:02:58,579 Stephen Banks was the lawyer before that, 58 00:02:58,612 --> 00:03:00,781 and he's excellent. 59 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:02,683 What happened to them? 60 00:03:02,716 --> 00:03:04,350 Well, he fired them. 61 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:06,252 According to Jeannie, when they confronted Hinks 62 00:03:06,286 --> 00:03:07,821 about his possibly being delusional, 63 00:03:07,854 --> 00:03:09,690 he fired them. 64 00:03:09,723 --> 00:03:12,258 The man can't face the idea that maybe he's not the killer. 65 00:03:12,292 --> 00:03:13,794 In which case how do you defend him? 66 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:15,729 And why would you even want to? 67 00:03:15,762 --> 00:03:17,698 I'd be going up against Roland Hill, for one thing. 68 00:03:17,731 --> 00:03:19,465 How often does any lawyer get the chance 69 00:03:19,499 --> 00:03:20,767 to go up against him? 70 00:03:20,801 --> 00:03:23,269 Not very often, but if I were going to do it, 71 00:03:23,303 --> 00:03:24,905 I certainly wouldn't want a client 72 00:03:24,938 --> 00:03:26,472 who insists he's guilty. 73 00:03:26,507 --> 00:03:28,274 You people supposedly defend underdogs. 74 00:03:28,308 --> 00:03:29,643 I've got one here. 75 00:03:29,676 --> 00:03:31,912 He's ill, and unless we help him, 76 00:03:31,945 --> 00:03:33,880 he's going to destroy his life. 77 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:37,718 I want to do it, Bobby, but I will need backup. 78 00:03:37,751 --> 00:03:39,352 I can do it. 79 00:03:39,385 --> 00:03:40,987 -I was first. I got dibs. -You were not first. 80 00:03:41,021 --> 00:03:42,623 BOBBY: All right. 81 00:03:42,656 --> 00:03:46,259 -Lindsay, you sure? -Yes. 82 00:03:46,292 --> 00:03:49,262 (sighs) Jimmy, you second chair. 83 00:03:49,295 --> 00:03:50,396 That's not fair. 84 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:52,933 Thank you. Thanks. 85 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:58,539 He's really a docile man. 86 00:03:58,572 --> 00:04:00,807 Just misunderstood. 87 00:04:00,841 --> 00:04:03,644 Do we need a guard in the room? 88 00:04:03,677 --> 00:04:07,614 It's your call. You'll lose privilege. 89 00:04:09,683 --> 00:04:12,919 I think we can take him. 90 00:04:12,953 --> 00:04:14,855 Okay. 91 00:04:23,764 --> 00:04:25,732 William, this is Lindsay Dole, 92 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:27,668 the lawyer I was telling you about, 93 00:04:27,701 --> 00:04:30,003 and this is Jimmy Berluti, also with the same firm. 94 00:04:30,036 --> 00:04:32,573 My pleasure. 95 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:35,509 I guess "thank you" is in order. 96 00:04:35,542 --> 00:04:39,045 Mr. Hinks, we continued the trial until next week, 97 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,047 which means you may get transferred 98 00:04:41,081 --> 00:04:42,749 back to Cedar Junction. 99 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:44,785 They don't like keeping maximum security prisoners 100 00:04:44,818 --> 00:04:46,352 in lockup for too long. 101 00:04:46,386 --> 00:04:47,954 What we're going to do first 102 00:04:47,988 --> 00:04:50,356 is go over the confessions and the evidence, 103 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:52,492 and then we'll get back together and talk. 104 00:04:52,526 --> 00:04:54,628 What is there to talk about? 105 00:04:56,062 --> 00:04:58,031 Well, Dr. Reynolds tells me 106 00:04:58,064 --> 00:05:01,367 it's your preference to plead insanity. 107 00:05:01,401 --> 00:05:04,437 You realize if we win on that, you don't go free. 108 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,339 Yes, I realize that. 109 00:05:06,372 --> 00:05:08,775 If we could possibly get a straight not guilty-- 110 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:10,511 No. 111 00:05:10,544 --> 00:05:14,347 I did it, Ms. Dole. 112 00:05:14,380 --> 00:05:16,783 At least with insanity, I can perhaps be sent 113 00:05:16,817 --> 00:05:19,352 to a place where they'll help me get better. 114 00:05:19,385 --> 00:05:20,787 Even if that's true, 115 00:05:20,821 --> 00:05:23,757 you won't be getting out. 116 00:05:26,126 --> 00:05:28,094 The closest diagnosis I can make 117 00:05:28,128 --> 00:05:30,096 is that he has delusions, 118 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:32,398 symptomatic of schizophrenia, probably paranoid. 119 00:05:32,432 --> 00:05:34,568 Not only does he believe he committed these crimes, 120 00:05:34,601 --> 00:05:36,837 the idea of others not believing it 121 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:38,972 is, for some reason, repugnant to him. 122 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:40,841 But if he didn't do them, 123 00:05:40,874 --> 00:05:43,109 he sure gave them a lot of details. 124 00:05:43,143 --> 00:05:45,579 Almost all the information he provided in his confession 125 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:47,047 was accessible. 126 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,049 There's a whole internet site set up on this killer. 127 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:50,817 A lot of these facts are available 128 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:52,519 to the general public. 129 00:05:52,553 --> 00:05:54,454 Jeannie, tell me why you think he didn't do it. 130 00:05:54,487 --> 00:05:56,690 For one thing, he's got a lot of holes in his story. 131 00:05:56,723 --> 00:05:58,992 I also don't get any sense of anger in him. 132 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:01,528 I don't see the necessary capacity for violence. 133 00:06:01,562 --> 00:06:03,063 He's a quiet little accountant 134 00:06:03,096 --> 00:06:04,731 who never leaves his house. 135 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,633 It's always the quiet ones. 136 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:08,535 I also put him under hypnosis. 137 00:06:08,569 --> 00:06:10,837 There, he told a very different story. 138 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:12,072 Which was? 139 00:06:12,105 --> 00:06:14,074 Basically, that he didn't do it-- 140 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:15,976 that he wishes he did it. 141 00:06:16,009 --> 00:06:17,544 They found him 142 00:06:17,578 --> 00:06:19,980 near the scene of his last victim. 143 00:06:20,013 --> 00:06:21,982 He said he has a police radio. 144 00:06:22,015 --> 00:06:23,850 According to his story under hypnosis, 145 00:06:23,884 --> 00:06:26,452 he heard of the crime, he managed to go there, 146 00:06:26,486 --> 00:06:27,954 get into a neighboring cellar, 147 00:06:27,988 --> 00:06:29,455 and let himself be discovered there. 148 00:06:29,489 --> 00:06:31,124 The police are pretty good 149 00:06:31,157 --> 00:06:32,993 about sniffing out false confessions. 150 00:06:33,026 --> 00:06:35,696 He is extremely smart-- borderline genius. 151 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:37,698 He also passed the polygraph, 152 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:40,166 which he would if he were delusional. 153 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,469 Any chance he could have been faking with the hypnosis? 154 00:06:43,504 --> 00:06:45,005 That's what I thought at first, 155 00:06:45,038 --> 00:06:46,873 but I don't believe it now. 156 00:06:46,907 --> 00:06:48,975 Either way, Jeannie, if he convinced the police 157 00:06:49,009 --> 00:06:51,512 with his confession, including an FBI profiler, 158 00:06:51,545 --> 00:06:52,879 he'll likely fool a jury. 159 00:06:52,913 --> 00:06:56,016 He didn't necessarily fool the FBI profiler. 160 00:06:57,518 --> 00:06:59,986 What? 161 00:07:00,020 --> 00:07:01,487 I was suspicious. 162 00:07:01,522 --> 00:07:03,724 There were certain facts he should have had 163 00:07:03,757 --> 00:07:05,892 if he were the real killer, and he didn't. 164 00:07:05,926 --> 00:07:07,460 Such as? 165 00:07:07,493 --> 00:07:09,730 Times of death. He could only approximate. 166 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:11,464 A killer that precise, 167 00:07:11,497 --> 00:07:13,567 I'd have thought he'd be clear on time. 168 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,802 Positions of the bodies, also the fingernails. 169 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:17,470 What about the fingernails? 170 00:07:17,504 --> 00:07:19,573 Well, you saw that he pulled them off all of his victims. 171 00:07:19,606 --> 00:07:21,074 And? 172 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:22,609 He actually didn't. 173 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:24,244 The police planted that disinformation 174 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:25,712 for the very reason 175 00:07:25,746 --> 00:07:27,548 to trip up any false confessions. 176 00:07:27,581 --> 00:07:29,015 Hinks has maintained 177 00:07:29,049 --> 00:07:31,552 that he pulled the nails out of all of his victims, 178 00:07:31,585 --> 00:07:33,253 just as reported in the papers. 179 00:07:33,286 --> 00:07:35,021 If you've checked discovery, 180 00:07:35,055 --> 00:07:37,724 you now know that the nails of the fifth victim 181 00:07:37,758 --> 00:07:39,092 were never removed. 182 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:41,494 That's something the real killer should know. 183 00:07:41,528 --> 00:07:45,098 But you signed off on this being the guy. 184 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:48,001 Because he did have a lot of very specific details. 185 00:07:48,034 --> 00:07:50,837 He was found near the scene of the last one, 186 00:07:50,871 --> 00:07:52,739 and when they searched his apartment, 187 00:07:52,773 --> 00:07:54,174 they found voluminous clippings, 188 00:07:54,207 --> 00:07:55,842 internet printouts, whatever, 189 00:07:55,876 --> 00:07:57,844 on each and every previous killing. 190 00:07:57,878 --> 00:07:59,846 But he could have collected that stuff 191 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:01,181 to learn about the murders. 192 00:08:01,214 --> 00:08:03,183 Or he was the murderer 193 00:08:03,216 --> 00:08:05,185 and he liked to read about himself, 194 00:08:05,218 --> 00:08:07,754 which is pretty typical of serial killers. 195 00:08:07,788 --> 00:08:09,790 One more thing-- 196 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,191 the killings stopped 197 00:08:11,224 --> 00:08:13,894 as soon as William Hinks was in custody. 198 00:08:15,629 --> 00:08:17,531 So you think he's it? 199 00:08:17,564 --> 00:08:19,800 I think he's probably the one. 200 00:08:19,833 --> 00:08:21,868 But maybe not. 201 00:08:21,902 --> 00:08:24,805 Maybe not. 202 00:08:29,109 --> 00:08:30,711 How do we defend him? 203 00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:32,813 If we plead not guilty, he'll fire us. 204 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:35,048 Which, more than anything else, is telling me he didn't do it. 205 00:08:35,081 --> 00:08:36,683 How do you figure? 206 00:08:36,717 --> 00:08:38,318 Well, a guilty man would want to get an acquittal 207 00:08:38,351 --> 00:08:40,253 if he could, don't you think? 208 00:08:40,286 --> 00:08:42,022 A man obsessed with having the world think he's guilty, 209 00:08:42,055 --> 00:08:43,557 on the other hand... 210 00:08:43,590 --> 00:08:45,959 Isn't it possible it could be both, 211 00:08:45,992 --> 00:08:47,994 guilty and wanting everyone to know it? 212 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:50,531 Possible, but I just don't see it that way. 213 00:08:51,998 --> 00:08:54,234 Maybe we just stick with insanity. 214 00:08:54,267 --> 00:08:56,803 Who knows? Maybe we could win that way. 215 00:08:56,837 --> 00:08:58,905 But we don't believe he did it, Jimmy. 216 00:08:58,939 --> 00:09:00,674 We can't argue he was insane at the time he did it 217 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:02,609 if we know he didn't do it. 218 00:09:02,643 --> 00:09:06,046 We don't know it, Lindsay. We don't know anything. 219 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:08,782 Could you ever go to a judge and get an order 220 00:09:08,815 --> 00:09:10,984 that he has to plead not guilty? 221 00:09:11,017 --> 00:09:13,620 I've never heard of that happening. 222 00:09:13,654 --> 00:09:16,623 Everybody wants it to be him, Lindsay, 223 00:09:16,657 --> 00:09:18,625 because they're afraid, 224 00:09:18,659 --> 00:09:22,896 and he wants it to be him, but it's not him. 225 00:09:37,043 --> 00:09:38,612 I don't understand. 226 00:09:38,645 --> 00:09:40,280 Are you arguing insanity or not? 227 00:09:40,313 --> 00:09:42,282 Mr. Hinks, this is extremely complicated. 228 00:09:42,315 --> 00:09:44,751 You're just going to have to trust me. 229 00:09:44,785 --> 00:09:45,986 Can you do that? 230 00:09:46,019 --> 00:09:47,721 No, I can't, Ms. Dole. 231 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:49,355 My future is at stake-- my life. 232 00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:51,191 I've known you less than a week. 233 00:09:51,224 --> 00:09:52,659 William, you trust me, don't you? 234 00:09:52,693 --> 00:09:54,360 Please don't handle me. 235 00:09:54,394 --> 00:09:56,630 I'm not some anonymous little man to be handled. 236 00:09:56,663 --> 00:09:58,765 The plan is to keep you out of prison, 237 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:00,667 but it may involve you having to hear 238 00:10:00,701 --> 00:10:02,168 some things in court you don't want to hear. 239 00:10:02,202 --> 00:10:04,905 It could also mean you having to testify, 240 00:10:04,938 --> 00:10:06,840 so be prepared for that. 241 00:10:06,873 --> 00:10:09,242 Testify? 242 00:10:12,212 --> 00:10:15,215 Your only chance at this point is to trust her, William. 243 00:10:24,090 --> 00:10:27,694 Are we going with insanity or not, Ms. Dole? 244 00:10:27,728 --> 00:10:30,330 Yes. 245 00:10:30,363 --> 00:10:33,399 We're going with insanity. 246 00:10:36,903 --> 00:10:39,139 All right. 247 00:10:39,172 --> 00:10:41,307 Insanity. 248 00:10:51,451 --> 00:10:54,420 WILLIAM: I always chose to drop the weapon at the scene, 249 00:10:54,454 --> 00:10:56,422 relieving myself of the worry 250 00:10:56,456 --> 00:10:58,992 of it ever being found in my possession. 251 00:10:59,025 --> 00:11:01,427 The gloves I would either burn 252 00:11:01,461 --> 00:11:03,897 or dispose of at the right opportunity. 253 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:05,165 MAN: Why the fingernails? 254 00:11:05,198 --> 00:11:08,068 WILLIAM: Souvenir, I suppose. 255 00:11:08,101 --> 00:11:10,070 A fingernail is easier to remove 256 00:11:10,103 --> 00:11:12,338 than one might expect. 257 00:11:12,372 --> 00:11:16,342 Less bloody as well. 258 00:11:16,376 --> 00:11:18,912 How many times we got to watch it? 259 00:11:18,945 --> 00:11:20,914 Until we've memorized every word. 260 00:11:20,947 --> 00:11:23,416 This confession is their whole case. 261 00:11:23,449 --> 00:11:26,052 I would have probably removed all 10 262 00:11:26,086 --> 00:11:28,321 except for the time consumption. 263 00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:30,891 It takes patience to extract the fingernail 264 00:11:30,924 --> 00:11:33,326 without damaging it. 265 00:11:33,359 --> 00:11:36,329 I liked them in mint condition, of course, 266 00:11:36,362 --> 00:11:39,900 and it's difficult not to rush 267 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:43,469 when you have a dissected carcass in the room. 268 00:11:43,504 --> 00:11:46,106 It can make you jumpy. 269 00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:53,947 We will introduce more of this tape 270 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:56,449 during the trial, 271 00:11:56,482 --> 00:11:59,119 but the footage that you just saw 272 00:11:59,152 --> 00:12:01,121 will be introduced as evidence 273 00:12:01,154 --> 00:12:05,125 of the defendant's clarity during his confession-- 274 00:12:05,158 --> 00:12:10,864 his precision, his careful choice of words. 275 00:12:10,897 --> 00:12:14,134 He had just committed a murder and dismemberment 276 00:12:14,167 --> 00:12:17,403 three hours before this interview. 277 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:21,975 This was a man in control, 278 00:12:22,008 --> 00:12:25,145 a man who understood the nature and the quality 279 00:12:25,178 --> 00:12:28,782 of the horrific acts he had committed. 280 00:12:28,815 --> 00:12:30,851 The evidence will show 281 00:12:30,884 --> 00:12:32,886 that these crimes were carried out 282 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:37,423 with detailed precision, with thorough premeditation. 283 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:41,427 The evidence will reveal cold-blooded murder-- 284 00:12:41,461 --> 00:12:43,997 executions, if you will-- 285 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:50,070 committed by a man who knew exactly what he was doing. 286 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,191 William Hinks is insane. 287 00:13:24,337 --> 00:13:26,306 All nine victims had dogs. 288 00:13:26,339 --> 00:13:29,576 Mr. Hinks met all of them in various parks and streets 289 00:13:29,610 --> 00:13:31,177 while walking his dog. 290 00:13:31,211 --> 00:13:33,446 And you learned this how, detective? 291 00:13:33,479 --> 00:13:35,315 From his confession. 292 00:13:35,348 --> 00:13:37,317 Then he would telephone them, 293 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:39,920 always from a public phone booth, 294 00:13:39,953 --> 00:13:42,322 make a date or a plan to see them, 295 00:13:42,355 --> 00:13:45,491 be let into their homes, and he'd kill them. 296 00:13:45,526 --> 00:13:48,061 From your experience, did these killings appear 297 00:13:48,094 --> 00:13:50,330 to be acts of uncontrolled behavior? 298 00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:51,632 No. 299 00:13:51,665 --> 00:13:53,099 Why is that, sir? 300 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,901 First of all, they were meticulous. 301 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:56,269 Other than the mutilations, 302 00:13:56,302 --> 00:13:58,171 which, of course, were bloody, 303 00:13:58,204 --> 00:14:00,073 there was never any evidence. 304 00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:02,509 No fingerprints, no DNA. 305 00:14:02,543 --> 00:14:04,244 The weapon was always carefully placed 306 00:14:04,277 --> 00:14:05,546 next to the torso. 307 00:14:05,579 --> 00:14:08,081 The first wound was always fatal. 308 00:14:08,114 --> 00:14:09,516 How could you tell that? 309 00:14:09,550 --> 00:14:12,085 There was never a sign of a struggle. 310 00:14:12,118 --> 00:14:15,556 Plus, the coroner's report would always confirm this. 311 00:14:15,589 --> 00:14:17,558 Is it your testimony, sir, 312 00:14:17,591 --> 00:14:20,026 that a killer acting outside of conscious control 313 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:22,295 could never act in a meticulous manner? 314 00:14:22,328 --> 00:14:23,564 It's not the norm. 315 00:14:23,597 --> 00:14:25,031 Is it possible? 316 00:14:25,065 --> 00:14:27,000 It's possible, but-- 317 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:29,035 Thank you. You've answered the question. 318 00:14:29,069 --> 00:14:31,538 Actually, I didn't, counsel. I'd like to complete it. 319 00:14:31,572 --> 00:14:33,473 It was a yes or no question. 320 00:14:33,507 --> 00:14:36,309 But it was evidently not a yes or no answer, your honor. 321 00:14:36,342 --> 00:14:39,045 The witness may complete his response. 322 00:14:39,079 --> 00:14:41,481 If the last victim hadn't hit that silent alarm, 323 00:14:41,515 --> 00:14:43,383 if we hadn't found the defendant 324 00:14:43,416 --> 00:14:46,186 in that basement, he'd still be out there. 325 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:48,622 We called these murders the immaculate dissections 326 00:14:48,655 --> 00:14:51,191 because the scenes were free of evidence. 327 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:52,626 I mean clean. 328 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,928 That takes planning-- skill. 329 00:14:54,961 --> 00:14:57,330 He didn't just know what he was doing, 330 00:14:57,363 --> 00:14:59,933 he knew how to do it perfectly. 331 00:14:59,966 --> 00:15:01,401 Are you finished now? 332 00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:02,703 Yes. 333 00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:05,071 Thank you, detective. Nothing further. 334 00:15:11,211 --> 00:15:12,579 JUDGE: Mr. Hill? 335 00:15:12,613 --> 00:15:14,414 Prosecution rests, your honor, 336 00:15:14,447 --> 00:15:17,083 saving our psychiatric evidence for rebuttal. 337 00:15:17,117 --> 00:15:19,285 The witness may step down. 338 00:15:21,187 --> 00:15:24,224 The defense calls Dr. Jean Reynolds. 339 00:15:25,659 --> 00:15:27,193 All set? 340 00:15:27,227 --> 00:15:28,194 I think. 341 00:15:28,228 --> 00:15:29,630 Watch yourself. 342 00:15:29,663 --> 00:15:31,698 Don't worry. 343 00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:36,537 Could you state your name and occupation for the record? 344 00:15:36,570 --> 00:15:39,372 Jean Reynolds. I'm a criminal psychologist. 345 00:15:39,405 --> 00:15:41,007 Could you briefly describe 346 00:15:41,041 --> 00:15:42,743 what you mean by criminal psychologist? 347 00:15:42,776 --> 00:15:44,745 It's basically how it sounds. 348 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:46,379 I've spent 10 years 349 00:15:46,412 --> 00:15:48,214 treating patients charged with violent crimes, 350 00:15:48,248 --> 00:15:50,216 as well as studying behavioral patterns 351 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:51,652 of repeat offenders, 352 00:15:51,685 --> 00:15:53,654 including the patterns of serial killers. 353 00:15:53,687 --> 00:15:55,656 Dr. Reynolds, did you have opportunity 354 00:15:55,689 --> 00:15:57,724 to treat my client Mr. William Hinks? 355 00:15:57,758 --> 00:16:00,493 -I did. -Did you have opportunity to discuss with my client 356 00:16:00,527 --> 00:16:02,128 the crimes which he is currently 357 00:16:02,162 --> 00:16:03,664 being charged with in this trial? 358 00:16:03,697 --> 00:16:06,499 -I did. -Did you form any medical conclusion 359 00:16:06,533 --> 00:16:07,534 as a result of this treatment? 360 00:16:07,568 --> 00:16:09,335 Yes. 361 00:16:09,369 --> 00:16:11,371 Could you please state that opinion for the court? 362 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:14,107 I do not believe Mr. Hinks killed those women. 363 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:17,177 (gallery murmuring) 364 00:16:18,712 --> 00:16:22,082 He did not commit the crimes? 365 00:16:22,115 --> 00:16:24,751 My opinion is Mr. Hinks is suffering from delusions 366 00:16:24,785 --> 00:16:27,020 secondary to schizophrenia. 367 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:29,089 Basically, he thinks he killed those women. 368 00:16:29,122 --> 00:16:31,024 He did not. 369 00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:33,193 And on what do you base this opinion? 370 00:16:33,226 --> 00:16:36,062 On 30 hours of treatment with Mr. Hinks, 371 00:16:36,096 --> 00:16:39,633 as well as 10 years of practical and academic experience. 372 00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:42,636 I also placed Mr. Hinks under hypnosis 373 00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,772 where he told me he did not kill those women. 374 00:16:45,806 --> 00:16:47,373 Objection. Hearsay. 375 00:16:47,407 --> 00:16:49,510 Under hypnosis, the reliability of-- 376 00:16:49,543 --> 00:16:52,513 There is no hypnosis exception to the hearsay rule. 377 00:16:52,546 --> 00:16:54,380 Your honor, I would like a sidebar. 378 00:16:54,414 --> 00:16:56,182 Mr. Hinks, please sit down. 379 00:16:56,216 --> 00:16:58,118 I seek to discharge counsel. 380 00:16:58,151 --> 00:16:59,620 She is soliciting false testimony from this witness. 381 00:16:59,653 --> 00:17:01,354 Mr. Hinks, I asked you to sit down. 382 00:17:01,387 --> 00:17:03,356 She doesn't represent my interest, 383 00:17:03,389 --> 00:17:05,726 nor does she represent the truth. 384 00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:08,662 I ask that she be removed. 385 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:10,697 Mr. Hinks, take your seat now. 386 00:17:16,770 --> 00:17:19,740 I am very confused here. 387 00:17:19,773 --> 00:17:22,375 You entered a plea of not guilty 388 00:17:22,408 --> 00:17:23,844 by reason of insanity. 389 00:17:23,877 --> 00:17:25,445 Defense seeks to change that plea 390 00:17:25,478 --> 00:17:27,080 to a straight not guilty. 391 00:17:27,113 --> 00:17:30,116 Mr. Hinks never killed those women at all. 392 00:17:30,150 --> 00:17:32,085 This is a lie, your honor! 393 00:17:32,118 --> 00:17:34,454 Security, take Mr. Hinks into custody. 394 00:17:34,487 --> 00:17:37,658 I will see counsel in chambers now. 395 00:17:45,431 --> 00:17:47,400 What the hell's going on? 396 00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:49,503 He didn't commit the crimes. 397 00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:50,837 Wait a second. 398 00:17:50,871 --> 00:17:52,405 It was your intent all along to argue this? 399 00:17:52,438 --> 00:17:53,674 Yes. 400 00:17:53,707 --> 00:17:56,376 You committed a fraud on the court, counsel. 401 00:17:56,409 --> 00:17:58,579 You filed an affirmative defense of insanity. 402 00:17:58,612 --> 00:18:01,381 -We had to. -You had to? 403 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:02,482 Yes. 404 00:18:02,516 --> 00:18:05,185 We had to keep it from our client. 405 00:18:05,218 --> 00:18:07,788 That necessitated keeping it from the court. 406 00:18:07,821 --> 00:18:10,456 You kept your strategy from your client? 407 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:12,726 Your honor, he's delusional. He not only thinks he did it, 408 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:16,162 he wants others to think he did it, which precluded-- 409 00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:18,331 Then you should have had him declared incompetent to stand trial. 410 00:18:18,364 --> 00:18:20,333 He would have passed the competency test easily 411 00:18:20,366 --> 00:18:21,868 and we'd be right back in court. 412 00:18:21,902 --> 00:18:23,770 You do not commit a fraud on the court 413 00:18:23,804 --> 00:18:25,506 or the district attorney. 414 00:18:25,539 --> 00:18:26,807 These circumstances warranted us-- 415 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,174 No, they did not, counsel. 416 00:18:28,208 --> 00:18:29,510 Yes, they did, your honor. 417 00:18:29,543 --> 00:18:31,678 With all due respect, William Hinks was prepared 418 00:18:31,712 --> 00:18:35,248 to let himself be convicted for a crime he didn't commit. 419 00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:36,817 That's a bigger fraud-- 420 00:18:36,850 --> 00:18:39,886 a fraud that leaves the real killer still out there. 421 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,188 And how do we know that this isn't a trick? 422 00:18:42,222 --> 00:18:44,625 If the defendant has not agreed to the change of plea, 423 00:18:44,658 --> 00:18:46,627 he has an automatic grounds for a new trial. 424 00:18:46,660 --> 00:18:48,261 This isn't a trick. 425 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:50,363 You have my word as an officer of the court. 426 00:18:50,396 --> 00:18:51,898 That doesn't solve it. 427 00:18:51,932 --> 00:18:54,234 You cannot change the plea without the client's consent. 428 00:18:54,267 --> 00:18:56,503 The man has fired two previous attorneys 429 00:18:56,537 --> 00:18:58,404 who wanted to prove his innocence 430 00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:00,674 because he doesn't want to be innocent. 431 00:19:00,707 --> 00:19:02,442 We had to keep him in the dark, 432 00:19:02,475 --> 00:19:04,845 and that meant keeping the court in the dark. 433 00:19:04,878 --> 00:19:07,313 And if he loses, his next lawyer 434 00:19:07,347 --> 00:19:09,683 will be in here arguing your incompetency for-- 435 00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:12,418 Look, this is an unusual thing here. 436 00:19:12,452 --> 00:19:15,689 We got a defendant whose sickness prevents him 437 00:19:15,722 --> 00:19:17,791 from wanting to be found innocent. 438 00:19:17,824 --> 00:19:19,960 If we had pled straight not guilty, 439 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:21,695 he would have fired us 440 00:19:21,728 --> 00:19:23,964 like he fired the two guys before us. 441 00:19:23,997 --> 00:19:26,867 He would have went out and eventually found a lawyer 442 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:29,870 to tell his lie, and as I said, in our minds, 443 00:19:29,903 --> 00:19:32,573 that would have been the biggest fraud. 444 00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:38,411 Who the hell do you think you are? 445 00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:39,780 I'm your doctor, William. 446 00:19:39,813 --> 00:19:41,815 No, you're not. Do you get that? 447 00:19:41,848 --> 00:19:42,949 No, you are not. You are all discharged. 448 00:19:42,983 --> 00:19:44,484 That can't happen. 449 00:19:44,518 --> 00:19:46,887 The judge has ordered us to stay on. 450 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,462 William, you're ill. 451 00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:59,800 You think you committed those crimes. 452 00:19:59,833 --> 00:20:01,234 Under hypnosis, 453 00:20:01,267 --> 00:20:02,736 you admitted to me you didn't. 454 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:04,738 Maybe I was lying under hypnosis. 455 00:20:04,771 --> 00:20:07,007 You think about that? 456 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,009 Maybe I was in denial. 457 00:20:09,042 --> 00:20:11,645 For God's sake, I killed nine women. 458 00:20:11,678 --> 00:20:13,914 I can't be in denial? 459 00:20:13,947 --> 00:20:16,583 William, all I care about for this discussion 460 00:20:16,617 --> 00:20:18,919 is keeping you out of prison. 461 00:20:18,952 --> 00:20:20,921 Why, so I can get mental treatment 462 00:20:20,954 --> 00:20:23,289 for my disorder? Is that the secret plan? 463 00:20:28,328 --> 00:20:30,864 -I'm testifying. -We don't think that's-- 464 00:20:30,897 --> 00:20:32,032 I have a right to testify, Ms. Dole. 465 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:34,034 If I'm competent to stand trial, 466 00:20:34,067 --> 00:20:36,036 I'm competent to make this decision. 467 00:20:36,069 --> 00:20:38,605 I will be getting into that witness chair. 468 00:20:38,639 --> 00:20:42,042 You cannot prevent that. 469 00:20:42,075 --> 00:20:44,911 I'm testifying. 470 00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:03,964 And while under hypnosis, 471 00:21:03,997 --> 00:21:05,899 what did he say about the basement? 472 00:21:05,932 --> 00:21:08,535 That he'd heard about the crime on his police radio, 473 00:21:08,569 --> 00:21:10,904 together with the suspicion that it was this same killer, 474 00:21:10,937 --> 00:21:12,472 and went to the scene. 475 00:21:12,506 --> 00:21:14,440 Police were all over it, 476 00:21:14,474 --> 00:21:17,343 so he broke into the basement two houses away. 477 00:21:17,377 --> 00:21:18,912 I renew my hearsay objection. 478 00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:21,014 This is all being asserted as the truth. 479 00:21:21,047 --> 00:21:23,917 Mr. Hill, your objection is noted and overruled. 480 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:27,353 Did he say why he went into that basement? 481 00:21:27,387 --> 00:21:29,623 No. I can only guess, on some level, 482 00:21:29,656 --> 00:21:31,391 he wanted to be caught. 483 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:32,793 Dr. Reynolds, 484 00:21:32,826 --> 00:21:34,595 aside from what he told you under hypnosis, 485 00:21:34,628 --> 00:21:36,362 do you have any other reason 486 00:21:36,396 --> 00:21:38,331 to believe he did not commit these crimes? 487 00:21:38,364 --> 00:21:39,733 Well, as I said, 488 00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:42,335 I've studied the patterns of serial killers. 489 00:21:42,368 --> 00:21:45,338 These people often have some displaced anger. 490 00:21:45,371 --> 00:21:48,341 I didn't find Mr. Hinks to have a lot of anger, 491 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:49,375 if any. 492 00:21:49,409 --> 00:21:50,877 He's seen these killings 493 00:21:50,911 --> 00:21:53,446 on the front pages of our newspapers, 494 00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:55,448 and he's somehow convinced himself 495 00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:57,751 he is the object of all these headlines. 496 00:21:57,784 --> 00:22:00,921 Ever know a patient to fake being under hypnosis? 497 00:22:00,954 --> 00:22:02,689 I don't think Mr. Hinks was faking-- 498 00:22:02,723 --> 00:22:04,591 My question was, ever know a patient 499 00:22:04,625 --> 00:22:06,893 to fake being under hypnosis? 500 00:22:06,927 --> 00:22:08,829 Yes. 501 00:22:08,862 --> 00:22:11,464 And if this patient suffered from a delusion, doctor, 502 00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:14,000 wouldn't he suffer from the same delusion 503 00:22:14,034 --> 00:22:15,669 under hypnosis? 504 00:22:15,702 --> 00:22:18,038 Yes, usually the delusion would persist under hypnosis. 505 00:22:18,071 --> 00:22:19,773 Didn't that make you suspicious? 506 00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:21,642 I was extremely suspicious, but-- 507 00:22:21,675 --> 00:22:24,010 What is the I. Q. of Mr. Hinks, if you know? 508 00:22:24,044 --> 00:22:26,012 It's high. 509 00:22:26,046 --> 00:22:27,781 And is it your testimony, then, 510 00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:29,783 that you make no room for the possibility 511 00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:31,685 that he faked being under hypnosis 512 00:22:31,718 --> 00:22:33,754 to tell his little tale of innocence? 513 00:22:33,787 --> 00:22:36,389 I not only considered it, Mr. Hill, 514 00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:39,392 I at first suspected it, but when he kept insisting 515 00:22:39,425 --> 00:22:41,762 that his lawyers not declare him to be innocent, 516 00:22:41,795 --> 00:22:43,396 when he fired lawyers 517 00:22:43,429 --> 00:22:45,398 for endeavoring to prove his innocence, 518 00:22:45,431 --> 00:22:47,701 I knew then he couldn't be faking. 519 00:22:47,734 --> 00:22:49,636 Well, she's simply wrong. 520 00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:51,037 What more can I tell you? 521 00:22:51,071 --> 00:22:53,039 Dr. Gale, did you consider 522 00:22:53,073 --> 00:22:54,641 that this could be a false confession? 523 00:22:54,675 --> 00:22:56,610 It's one of the first things that we look for, 524 00:22:56,643 --> 00:22:57,978 but in Mr. Hinks' case, 525 00:22:58,011 --> 00:23:00,514 I determined his confession to be genuine. 526 00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:02,783 And on what did you base this opinion, sir? 527 00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:04,685 I've been a clinical and forensic psychologist 528 00:23:04,718 --> 00:23:06,486 for 33 years now. That's what I do. 529 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,421 And contrary to Dr. Reynolds' findings, 530 00:23:08,454 --> 00:23:11,958 I consider Mr. Hinks to be consumed with rage. 531 00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:15,061 He lived alone with his mother growing up. 532 00:23:15,095 --> 00:23:16,797 Though not physically abusive, 533 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:18,765 she was emotionally punishing. 534 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:21,201 The gruesome acts committed here-- 535 00:23:21,234 --> 00:23:23,069 the dissection of the bodies-- 536 00:23:23,103 --> 00:23:24,938 these are acts of hatred. 537 00:23:24,971 --> 00:23:27,473 These murders are very much about punishment. 538 00:23:27,508 --> 00:23:29,843 Dr. Gale, I'm going to play for you 539 00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:31,978 a portion of his confession. 540 00:23:32,012 --> 00:23:34,615 If I could have figured out a way 541 00:23:34,648 --> 00:23:38,652 to dismember them alive, I would have done so, 542 00:23:38,685 --> 00:23:43,890 but fear of getting caught was a deterrent there. 543 00:23:43,924 --> 00:23:46,059 Still... 544 00:23:46,092 --> 00:23:49,796 I would have so loved to have extended that look of pain 545 00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:51,898 in their faces-- 546 00:23:51,932 --> 00:23:54,535 that look of horror. 547 00:23:54,568 --> 00:23:56,537 It's a thing of beauty-- 548 00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:58,905 the look on the face of a woman 549 00:23:58,939 --> 00:24:01,908 who knows she's about to die. 550 00:24:01,942 --> 00:24:04,645 They write in the papers, why do they do it? 551 00:24:04,678 --> 00:24:07,648 Why do these killers do it over and over and over? 552 00:24:07,681 --> 00:24:10,551 It's that look. 553 00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:13,754 MAN: You think you'll kill again? 554 00:24:13,787 --> 00:24:16,189 Oh, yes. 555 00:24:16,222 --> 00:24:21,662 I'll get out of this. You just watch. 556 00:24:21,695 --> 00:24:25,231 And I'll know the joy of that look again. 557 00:24:29,135 --> 00:24:31,672 Even if Hinks 558 00:24:31,705 --> 00:24:35,041 were to somehow learn all about those crimes 559 00:24:35,075 --> 00:24:38,712 to the point of being able to fool law enforcement, 560 00:24:38,745 --> 00:24:40,881 and that's an extremely unlikely if, 561 00:24:40,914 --> 00:24:44,885 you cannot fake a psychosis like that. 562 00:24:44,918 --> 00:24:46,252 Sitting at that table 563 00:24:46,286 --> 00:24:49,189 is the man who mutilated those women. 564 00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:59,533 Well, you got your wish, William. 565 00:24:59,566 --> 00:25:02,235 After watching that last footage, 566 00:25:02,268 --> 00:25:04,805 I'm sure everyone thinks you did it, 567 00:25:04,838 --> 00:25:06,206 including the jury. 568 00:25:06,239 --> 00:25:08,208 Other than lying to me, 569 00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:09,610 you've tried an excellent case. 570 00:25:11,912 --> 00:25:14,915 You should both feel good about yourselves. 571 00:25:14,948 --> 00:25:19,219 Do you truly appreciate where you'll be going? 572 00:25:19,252 --> 00:25:21,788 In this life or the next? 573 00:25:21,822 --> 00:25:23,790 This one. 574 00:25:23,824 --> 00:25:26,159 I'm talking about the maximum security hell, 575 00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:28,795 where prisoners have special feelings 576 00:25:28,829 --> 00:25:31,331 for men who mutilate women. 577 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:36,336 Well, it's my turn now, I suppose. 578 00:25:36,369 --> 00:25:39,940 I still would like to testify. 579 00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:41,975 I don't see the harm at this point. 580 00:25:42,008 --> 00:25:43,309 What else is left? 581 00:25:43,343 --> 00:25:45,579 Not much. We've got an expert on tire tracks 582 00:25:45,612 --> 00:25:48,214 that could place his car maybe in some of the areas. 583 00:25:48,248 --> 00:25:50,183 It's nothing. 584 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:51,585 They'll establish he has no alibi. 585 00:25:51,618 --> 00:25:53,587 Big deal-- he says that himself. 586 00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:55,088 We're almost done. 587 00:25:55,121 --> 00:25:56,857 Are you winning or losing? 588 00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:59,259 Well, that depends on the goal, Eugene. 589 00:25:59,292 --> 00:26:01,862 I think he's looking at a conviction, 590 00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:04,731 but to the client, that seems to be a victory. 591 00:26:04,765 --> 00:26:07,834 And why does he want to testify, exactly? 592 00:26:07,868 --> 00:26:10,203 Because if my soul is to be offered 593 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:11,838 any chance at redemption, 594 00:26:11,872 --> 00:26:13,840 I must make a full confession. 595 00:26:13,874 --> 00:26:16,843 LINDSAY: And God would like you to do that under oath? 596 00:26:16,877 --> 00:26:20,681 God would like me to be open and notorious with my evil. 597 00:26:20,714 --> 00:26:21,948 Yes. 598 00:26:21,982 --> 00:26:24,785 What did you do with the gloves? 599 00:26:24,818 --> 00:26:26,620 I'm sorry? 600 00:26:26,653 --> 00:26:28,288 The killer always wore latex gloves 601 00:26:28,321 --> 00:26:30,223 to avoid leaving prints or oils behind. 602 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:32,358 On the night you were caught, the gloves were never found. 603 00:26:32,392 --> 00:26:34,895 -What did you do with them? -As I told the police, 604 00:26:34,928 --> 00:26:37,263 I have no actual memory of how I disposed of them. 605 00:26:37,297 --> 00:26:39,265 And again, as I told the police, 606 00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:40,667 if I were to guess, 607 00:26:40,701 --> 00:26:42,035 I threw them in the fire and burnt them. 608 00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:43,870 Actually, you didn't make that guess 609 00:26:43,904 --> 00:26:45,872 in your confession, you made it much later 610 00:26:45,906 --> 00:26:48,208 after it was reported that there was a fire burning. 611 00:26:48,241 --> 00:26:50,143 The police found no residue of the gloves 612 00:26:50,176 --> 00:26:52,112 in the fireplace. Did you know that? 613 00:26:52,145 --> 00:26:54,047 Is it possible nobody could find the gloves 614 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,016 because the real killer took them? 615 00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:58,284 I am the real killer, Ms. Dole. 616 00:26:58,318 --> 00:26:59,753 How come you didn't know 617 00:26:59,786 --> 00:27:01,387 the second victim had cancer? 618 00:27:01,421 --> 00:27:02,422 Something which was never released to the media, 619 00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:04,124 coincidentally, 620 00:27:04,157 --> 00:27:06,159 something you didn't know when you confessed. 621 00:27:06,192 --> 00:27:08,294 I didn't give them physicals, counsel. 622 00:27:08,328 --> 00:27:10,396 I just removed their heads. 623 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:12,766 This one's head had a wig on it. 624 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,168 You decapitated her but didn't know she had a wig? 625 00:27:15,201 --> 00:27:17,070 Even the sickest of criminals 626 00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:19,706 knows not to mess with a woman's hair. 627 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:22,142 What a clever answer. 628 00:27:22,175 --> 00:27:24,711 Women have a thing about their nails, too. 629 00:27:24,745 --> 00:27:26,179 You messed with them. 630 00:27:26,212 --> 00:27:28,815 Actually, I never so much as scraped a nail. 631 00:27:28,849 --> 00:27:31,718 I removed them in perfect condition. 632 00:27:31,752 --> 00:27:33,086 What happened to them? 633 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,355 I beg your pardon? 634 00:27:35,388 --> 00:27:37,791 You said in your confession you took them as souvenirs. 635 00:27:37,824 --> 00:27:39,225 People keep souvenirs. What did you do with them? 636 00:27:39,259 --> 00:27:40,894 That I won't tell. 637 00:27:40,927 --> 00:27:43,463 Come on, Mr. Hinks, this is confession time. 638 00:27:43,496 --> 00:27:45,832 We're trying to redeem a soul here. 639 00:27:45,866 --> 00:27:47,467 What'd you do with the fingernails? 640 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:51,204 There are some things I will take to my grave, that's one. 641 00:27:51,237 --> 00:27:53,473 You don't know where they are because you never took them. 642 00:27:53,507 --> 00:27:54,775 I did. 643 00:27:54,808 --> 00:27:56,242 All of them? Every victim? 644 00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:58,078 Every victim. 645 00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:00,346 What about the fingernails on the last victim, 646 00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:02,916 Mr. Hinks? They went the way of the gloves? 647 00:28:05,118 --> 00:28:09,089 I swallowed them. 648 00:28:11,091 --> 00:28:13,326 What about the fifth victim, Mr. Hinks? 649 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,361 Angela Barton-- you remember her? 650 00:28:15,395 --> 00:28:19,766 Pretty, quick-tempered, lost her head easily. 651 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,003 Clever again. Did you remove her fingernails? 652 00:28:23,036 --> 00:28:26,106 One by one-- made difficult because she bit them. 653 00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:28,742 You didn't take her nails, Mr. Hinks, 654 00:28:28,775 --> 00:28:30,276 not Angela Barton's. 655 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:33,379 The police conceal information for the purpose 656 00:28:33,413 --> 00:28:35,381 of flushing out phony confessions. 657 00:28:35,415 --> 00:28:37,283 In your confession, 658 00:28:37,317 --> 00:28:39,385 you talked about removing Ms. Barton's nails 659 00:28:39,419 --> 00:28:41,922 before you incised the hands. 660 00:28:41,955 --> 00:28:44,024 The thing is, Mr. Hinks, when you go to trial, 661 00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:46,026 the prosecution has to hand over 662 00:28:46,059 --> 00:28:47,427 all exculpatory evidence, 663 00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:49,429 even the stuff the police concealed, 664 00:28:49,462 --> 00:28:51,431 and what I've now learned-- 665 00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:54,034 the nails of Angela Barton were never removed. 666 00:28:54,067 --> 00:28:56,036 It was reported that they were, 667 00:28:56,069 --> 00:28:58,071 so you confessed to doing it. 668 00:28:58,104 --> 00:29:02,075 So I forgot. 669 00:29:02,108 --> 00:29:05,078 It was four victims ago. They blend. 670 00:29:05,111 --> 00:29:07,247 You forgot. You forgot a lot of things, Mr. Hinks. 671 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,183 You could never remember the colors of carpets, 672 00:29:10,216 --> 00:29:12,185 the layouts of rooms, the types of drapes... 673 00:29:12,218 --> 00:29:14,054 I was killing people. You think I was going 674 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:15,455 to take time out to notice fabric? 675 00:29:15,488 --> 00:29:16,823 This killer noticed everything. 676 00:29:16,857 --> 00:29:18,391 He was meticulous. 677 00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:20,927 Please don't talk about me as if I were not in the room. 678 00:29:20,961 --> 00:29:22,829 What about the tenth victim? 679 00:29:26,132 --> 00:29:28,101 There were nine. 680 00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,103 Nine reported. There was a tenth, 681 00:29:30,136 --> 00:29:32,372 never confirmed to be one of the serial victims 682 00:29:32,405 --> 00:29:34,908 because she died by a gunshot wound. 683 00:29:34,941 --> 00:29:37,077 -Objection. -Overruled. 684 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:38,512 Her fingernails were also pulled out, 685 00:29:38,545 --> 00:29:40,981 limbs and head amputated-- your work, Mr. Hinks? 686 00:29:41,014 --> 00:29:42,382 Objection! 687 00:29:42,415 --> 00:29:43,917 Ask that counsel not interrupt or steer the witness. 688 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:45,952 Mr. Hill, you will sit and remain quiet. 689 00:29:45,986 --> 00:29:47,387 Your work, Mr. Hinks, 690 00:29:47,420 --> 00:29:49,489 or another killer who likes fingernails? 691 00:29:52,258 --> 00:29:55,228 I didn't think the police knew about that one. 692 00:29:55,261 --> 00:29:57,197 So it was your work? 693 00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:03,469 Your work, Mr. Hinks? 694 00:30:06,106 --> 00:30:07,440 Yes. 695 00:30:07,473 --> 00:30:10,476 Funny. I made it up. 696 00:30:12,378 --> 00:30:14,347 You're a fraud. 697 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:16,082 You've never hurt anybody. 698 00:30:16,116 --> 00:30:18,184 I killed those people. 699 00:30:18,218 --> 00:30:19,419 No, you didn't. 700 00:30:19,452 --> 00:30:21,588 I killed those people, Ms. Dole. 701 00:30:21,622 --> 00:30:23,456 Your doctor's discovered you're delusional. 702 00:30:23,489 --> 00:30:25,358 You're just an anonymous little man-- 703 00:30:25,391 --> 00:30:27,894 I killed those women as quickly and surely 704 00:30:27,928 --> 00:30:29,362 as I would kill you. 705 00:30:29,395 --> 00:30:30,363 Mr. Hinks. 706 00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:31,998 I did it! 707 00:30:32,032 --> 00:30:34,200 I'm famous. 708 00:30:34,234 --> 00:30:36,537 You see my pictures in the papers 709 00:30:36,570 --> 00:30:38,104 because I did it! 710 00:30:38,138 --> 00:30:40,206 Mr. Hinks, you will lower your voice. 711 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,543 This is mine! 712 00:30:42,576 --> 00:30:44,377 I-I killed them, 713 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:47,247 and you can't take it away. 714 00:30:49,282 --> 00:30:52,519 You can't. 715 00:30:58,525 --> 00:31:00,561 You can't. 716 00:31:08,669 --> 00:31:11,638 Okay, Mr. Hinks. 717 00:31:11,672 --> 00:31:13,574 You win. 718 00:31:33,426 --> 00:31:34,961 Forgive me, Mr. Hinks. 719 00:31:34,995 --> 00:31:37,230 I was just trying to decide 720 00:31:37,263 --> 00:31:39,232 whose performance was better here-- 721 00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:40,333 yours or Ms. Dole's. 722 00:31:40,366 --> 00:31:41,367 Objection. 723 00:31:41,401 --> 00:31:43,369 Sustained. 724 00:31:44,671 --> 00:31:47,674 I have nothing for Mr. Hinks. 725 00:31:59,085 --> 00:32:02,956 I think maybe we've won. 726 00:32:02,989 --> 00:32:05,225 It's not over. 727 00:32:05,258 --> 00:32:07,393 You haven't heard him close. 728 00:32:18,071 --> 00:32:19,740 LINDSAY: No physical evidence, 729 00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:21,441 no witnesses-- 730 00:32:21,474 --> 00:32:24,010 just a confession from a paranoid schizophrenic man 731 00:32:24,044 --> 00:32:26,012 suffering from delusions, 732 00:32:26,046 --> 00:32:30,383 a man desperate to believe he's something he's not. 733 00:32:30,416 --> 00:32:32,553 You heard his treating psychologist. 734 00:32:32,586 --> 00:32:35,121 You saw him in that witness chair. 735 00:32:35,155 --> 00:32:36,657 He's ill, 736 00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:40,661 but he's not the sick man who committed those crimes. 737 00:32:40,694 --> 00:32:42,663 For this so-called confession, 738 00:32:42,696 --> 00:32:44,665 he was armed only with information 739 00:32:44,698 --> 00:32:46,667 that had been published somewhere, 740 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:49,402 stuff that he'd cut out, downloaded, printed, 741 00:32:49,435 --> 00:32:51,404 plastered all over his walls. 742 00:32:51,437 --> 00:32:53,607 The things that weren't public information 743 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,176 like the fingernails still being on the fifth victim-- 744 00:32:56,209 --> 00:32:58,244 oh, he somehow forgot that. 745 00:32:58,278 --> 00:33:02,082 Mr. Hinks, as part of his illness, 746 00:33:02,115 --> 00:33:06,252 is desperate to believe he's the one. 747 00:33:06,286 --> 00:33:08,522 The prosecution, as a result of public pressure, 748 00:33:08,555 --> 00:33:11,457 is desperate to believe he's the one. 749 00:33:11,491 --> 00:33:14,060 I think on some level we all are, 750 00:33:14,094 --> 00:33:16,062 because we want this sick person, 751 00:33:16,096 --> 00:33:18,532 whoever he is, off the street. 752 00:33:18,565 --> 00:33:24,370 But if we really, truly want this killer captured, 753 00:33:24,404 --> 00:33:26,807 we better send the message to the police 754 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,810 that they'd better keep looking, 755 00:33:29,843 --> 00:33:34,214 because it's not William Hinks. 756 00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:59,172 I have never been on a case where the defense pled insanity 757 00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:01,575 only to then, in the middle of trial, 758 00:34:01,608 --> 00:34:04,578 suddenly declare that he didn't do it at all, 759 00:34:04,611 --> 00:34:06,580 and then to follow that, 760 00:34:06,613 --> 00:34:09,850 with the defendant taking the stand to say that he did. 761 00:34:09,883 --> 00:34:11,652 Sounds crazy, 762 00:34:11,685 --> 00:34:14,387 but it isn't crazy, ladies and gentlemen. 763 00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:18,692 It's brilliant and very carefully orchestrated. 764 00:34:18,725 --> 00:34:23,429 We're dealing with a sick, dark, but brilliant chess player, 765 00:34:23,463 --> 00:34:26,332 a man who met eight women-- eight different women-- 766 00:34:26,366 --> 00:34:28,334 got admitted to their homes, 767 00:34:28,368 --> 00:34:31,171 murdered them, leaving virtually no evidence-- 768 00:34:31,204 --> 00:34:34,708 not a hair, not a bead of sweat, nothing. 769 00:34:34,741 --> 00:34:37,277 Then he met his ninth victim, 770 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:39,279 and though she let him in 771 00:34:39,312 --> 00:34:42,248 like the eight others had before her, 772 00:34:42,282 --> 00:34:46,352 she was also able to set off a silent alarm. 773 00:34:46,386 --> 00:34:49,623 Mr. Hinks still was able to commit the murder 774 00:34:49,656 --> 00:34:52,292 and do his immaculate clean-up, 775 00:34:52,325 --> 00:34:55,361 but when it came time to leave, the police were coming, 776 00:34:55,395 --> 00:34:58,198 and this time he had to take flight, 777 00:34:58,231 --> 00:35:01,735 to seek cover in a neighboring basement, 778 00:35:01,768 --> 00:35:04,437 and this time he was caught. 779 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:07,641 He knew the police would search his apartment 780 00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:10,376 and find those clippings and those web site printouts. 781 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:12,813 He knew that he could offer no alibis 782 00:35:12,846 --> 00:35:14,815 for those eight other killings. 783 00:35:14,848 --> 00:35:17,584 He knew that the police would know 784 00:35:17,618 --> 00:35:19,553 they had the right guy. 785 00:35:19,586 --> 00:35:21,555 Well, to get out of this now, 786 00:35:21,588 --> 00:35:24,858 Mr. Hinks would have to be at his most ingenious, wouldn't he? 787 00:35:24,891 --> 00:35:26,860 So he gives a confession, 788 00:35:26,893 --> 00:35:28,862 careful to provide most details, 789 00:35:28,895 --> 00:35:31,765 but also careful to leave out a few, 790 00:35:31,798 --> 00:35:33,767 and then, while under the pretense 791 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,369 of being hypnotized while being treated, 792 00:35:36,402 --> 00:35:41,274 he tells a different story-- a story of innocence, 793 00:35:41,307 --> 00:35:44,277 and he hopes that this therapist will become his pawn. 794 00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:48,782 Well, Dr. Reynolds is no pushover. 795 00:35:48,815 --> 00:35:50,450 She's a gifted psychologist, 796 00:35:50,483 --> 00:35:52,786 one likely capable of detecting a sham, 797 00:35:52,819 --> 00:35:55,355 and though he had her mostly convinced, 798 00:35:55,388 --> 00:35:57,357 he knew that she remained doubtful. 799 00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:59,292 According to her own testimony, 800 00:35:59,325 --> 00:36:01,928 it was only after Mr. Hinks fired his previous attorneys 801 00:36:01,962 --> 00:36:07,734 that she finally decided he was not faking his delusions. 802 00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:11,471 He got her, and he needed her. 803 00:36:11,505 --> 00:36:14,207 You see, to have any chance of an acquittal, 804 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,579 Mr. Hinks needed this therapist to sell you, 805 00:36:18,612 --> 00:36:20,847 and in order to keep her convinced enough, 806 00:36:20,881 --> 00:36:23,416 he had to keep insisting that he did it, 807 00:36:23,449 --> 00:36:25,418 and he had to keep insisting 808 00:36:25,451 --> 00:36:27,420 that his lawyers not say otherwise, 809 00:36:27,453 --> 00:36:31,592 all the while needing a lawyer who would say otherwise, 810 00:36:31,625 --> 00:36:34,628 over his feigned protests. 811 00:36:36,697 --> 00:36:39,866 Enter Ms. Dole, pawn number two. 812 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:44,337 Mr. Hinks needed an attorney 813 00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:46,707 who would find a way to plead not guilty, 814 00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:49,510 in spite of being told not to. 815 00:36:49,543 --> 00:36:51,878 Sound complicated? You bet. 816 00:36:51,912 --> 00:36:54,247 Hard to pull off? Absolutely. 817 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,783 Far-fetched? Maybe. 818 00:36:56,817 --> 00:37:00,787 But let's consider what he's pulled off before. 819 00:37:00,821 --> 00:37:04,525 Not many people can commit eight murders 820 00:37:04,558 --> 00:37:06,727 without leaving a single clue. 821 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,463 He did, then he met his ninth, 822 00:37:10,496 --> 00:37:11,898 and we got him. 823 00:37:11,932 --> 00:37:15,368 We finally got him, 824 00:37:15,401 --> 00:37:17,538 and in order to get off, 825 00:37:17,571 --> 00:37:21,307 he would have to come up with something masterful. 826 00:37:22,943 --> 00:37:25,411 He did. 827 00:37:25,445 --> 00:37:28,048 You want to give him an Academy Award 828 00:37:28,081 --> 00:37:30,684 for his wrenching performance on the witness stand, 829 00:37:30,717 --> 00:37:34,054 you do it, but don't you dare give him an acquittal. 830 00:37:34,087 --> 00:37:35,756 Don't you dare. 831 00:37:35,789 --> 00:37:39,893 You don't want him out there looking for number 10. 832 00:38:10,356 --> 00:38:12,358 How long? 833 00:38:12,392 --> 00:38:15,596 I expect this one to take a while. 834 00:38:15,629 --> 00:38:17,330 It's close. 835 00:38:18,498 --> 00:38:21,702 His closing was good, wasn't it? 836 00:38:21,735 --> 00:38:23,570 Extremely. 837 00:38:27,574 --> 00:38:30,677 He kind of sold me. 838 00:38:59,940 --> 00:39:03,777 Did you know I planned to yank the insanity plea 839 00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:05,111 and go straight not guilty? 840 00:39:05,145 --> 00:39:07,113 I had a pretty good idea. 841 00:39:08,915 --> 00:39:11,484 When you wouldn't tell me the strategy, 842 00:39:11,518 --> 00:39:13,486 and you said I might be testifying, 843 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,856 I figured that's what you were planning. 844 00:39:15,889 --> 00:39:19,693 What if I hadn't? Wasn't that sort of a risk? 845 00:39:19,726 --> 00:39:21,695 Considering my plight, Ms. Dole, 846 00:39:21,728 --> 00:39:24,097 I was in a position to take risks. 847 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:26,867 Besides, I was poised to suffer a mental breakdown 848 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,602 and at least secure a mistrial 849 00:39:28,635 --> 00:39:29,803 if you stuck with insanity. 850 00:39:29,836 --> 00:39:32,405 Why didn't you just let me talk you 851 00:39:32,438 --> 00:39:33,974 into going not guilty over your objection? 852 00:39:34,007 --> 00:39:35,876 Because Dr. Reynolds was measuring me 853 00:39:35,909 --> 00:39:38,779 every single step along the way. 854 00:39:38,812 --> 00:39:41,114 I had to cling to my delusions. 855 00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:44,117 Without her completely sold, I didn't stand a chance, 856 00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:46,152 and what perhaps she didn't tell you-- 857 00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:48,722 she wasn't completely sure. She thought I was innocent, 858 00:39:48,755 --> 00:39:51,124 but her medical conclusions were far more precarious 859 00:39:51,157 --> 00:39:53,126 than she ever let on. 860 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,128 I couldn't risk losing her. 861 00:39:55,161 --> 00:39:58,532 Okay, why not feign improvement? 862 00:39:58,565 --> 00:40:00,867 Take medication, then you could have just testified 863 00:40:00,901 --> 00:40:02,803 and said, "I thought I killed them, 864 00:40:02,836 --> 00:40:03,837 but now I know I didn't." 865 00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:05,438 Far too self-serving. 866 00:40:05,471 --> 00:40:07,440 When you murder nine people, 867 00:40:07,473 --> 00:40:09,843 the jury is not looking for a reason 868 00:40:09,876 --> 00:40:11,444 to let you go. 869 00:40:11,477 --> 00:40:14,447 Things have to be perfect. 870 00:40:17,984 --> 00:40:20,587 If you get off, 871 00:40:20,621 --> 00:40:22,623 you're going to kill again? 872 00:40:24,157 --> 00:40:26,727 Mr. Berluti, 873 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,129 if I tell you I'm about to kill again, 874 00:40:29,162 --> 00:40:31,598 you don't have to honor privilege, 875 00:40:31,632 --> 00:40:35,869 and you can repeat everything I'm telling you now, 876 00:40:35,902 --> 00:40:37,738 but nice try. 877 00:40:37,771 --> 00:40:41,975 So things went just as you planned in there. 878 00:40:42,008 --> 00:40:43,610 I certainly didn't plan 879 00:40:43,644 --> 00:40:46,547 for Mr. Hill to be so good in his closing. 880 00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:51,918 If he convinced you, I hardly feel overconfident. 881 00:40:51,952 --> 00:40:55,188 What about the latex gloves on the last victim? 882 00:40:55,221 --> 00:40:58,024 Burned in the fireplace. 883 00:40:58,058 --> 00:41:01,027 The police are shoddy. 884 00:41:01,061 --> 00:41:02,996 (knock on door) 885 00:41:03,029 --> 00:41:06,600 Verdict. 886 00:41:23,316 --> 00:41:25,652 JUDGE WHITE: All right. 887 00:41:25,686 --> 00:41:27,588 Mr. Hinks, will you please rise? 888 00:41:27,621 --> 00:41:30,056 Madame foreperson, the jury has a final verdict? 889 00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:32,659 We do, your honor. 890 00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:33,894 What say you? 891 00:41:33,927 --> 00:41:36,162 Commonwealth vs. William Hinks-- 892 00:41:36,196 --> 00:41:38,665 counts one through nine 893 00:41:38,699 --> 00:41:40,901 of murder in the first degree, 894 00:41:40,934 --> 00:41:42,903 we find the defendant William Hinks... 895 00:41:42,936 --> 00:41:44,838 not guilty. 896 00:41:44,871 --> 00:41:48,008 (gallery reacts loudly) 897 00:41:48,041 --> 00:41:49,776 JUDGE WHITE: All right. 898 00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:52,746 Members of the jury, your service here is completed. 899 00:41:52,779 --> 00:41:56,917 Mr. Hinks, you have been declared not guilty. 900 00:41:56,950 --> 00:42:00,220 You are free to go. This court is adjourned. 901 00:42:00,253 --> 00:42:03,557 (bangs gavel) 902 00:42:08,762 --> 00:42:11,331 I might go out the back way. 903 00:42:11,364 --> 00:42:13,567 Yes. Thank you. 904 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,068 Thank you both. 905 00:42:15,101 --> 00:42:16,937 MAN: Mr. Hinks, about the fingernails, sir? 906 00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:18,805 JIMMY: Can you keep them back, please? 907 00:42:18,839 --> 00:42:20,807 -Unbelievable. -Yeah. 908 00:42:20,841 --> 00:42:22,275 Thank you, Dr. Reynolds. 909 00:42:22,308 --> 00:42:24,811 I suppose your heart was in the right place. 910 00:42:24,845 --> 00:42:27,247 Yeah. Listen, William, this gets you out, 911 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,850 but you still need treatment. 912 00:42:29,883 --> 00:42:31,852 Will you let me help you? 913 00:42:31,885 --> 00:42:35,255 Let me think about that, all right? 914 00:42:35,288 --> 00:42:37,824 You really need to get help. 915 00:42:37,858 --> 00:42:41,294 I'll call you. 916 00:42:46,366 --> 00:42:49,302 You did it, Lindsay. 917 00:42:49,335 --> 00:42:51,237 Incredible. 918 00:42:51,271 --> 00:42:53,640 Were you really sure he was innocent? 919 00:42:53,674 --> 00:42:56,910 Was I sure? No. 920 00:42:56,943 --> 00:42:59,646 I'll probably never be 100% sure. 921 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,314 He knew that. 922 00:43:01,347 --> 00:43:03,016 Sorry? 923 00:43:05,218 --> 00:43:06,787 Nothing. 924 00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:08,622 Well, he's not out of the woods 925 00:43:08,655 --> 00:43:09,990 unless he gets treatment. 926 00:43:10,023 --> 00:43:12,058 Let him go, Jeannie. 927 00:43:12,092 --> 00:43:13,794 He's ill, Lindsay. 928 00:43:13,827 --> 00:43:16,897 Everything doesn't just end with a trial, sorry to say. 929 00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:18,665 Especially this one. 930 00:43:18,699 --> 00:43:21,101 Let him go. 931 00:43:39,786 --> 00:43:42,155 ♪ (theme) 932 00:44:05,411 --> 00:44:06,880 You stinker! 68345

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