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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,731 --> 00:00:32,566 We have one last pre-trial, 2 00:00:32,599 --> 00:00:35,235 where I'll try to suppress your statement. 3 00:00:35,268 --> 00:00:36,803 Scott, if I'm unsuccessful -- 4 00:00:36,837 --> 00:00:38,238 No, no, no. 5 00:00:38,271 --> 00:00:41,241 Now, I'm not taking manslaughter, bobby. 6 00:00:41,274 --> 00:00:43,276 Please don't ask me that again! 7 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,552 I'm sorry, man. It's just getting to me. 8 00:00:51,585 --> 00:00:55,188 Okay. You understand the risks? 9 00:00:55,221 --> 00:00:56,657 I do. 10 00:00:56,690 --> 00:01:00,226 So, what? We go in the morning... 11 00:01:00,260 --> 00:01:02,596 we argue the motion, trial starts after lunch. 12 00:01:02,629 --> 00:01:04,598 Eugene will be with me. 13 00:01:04,631 --> 00:01:05,732 Okay. 14 00:01:07,333 --> 00:01:09,435 Hey, man, I keep having this -- 15 00:01:09,469 --> 00:01:11,838 the dream where everybody wakes up 16 00:01:11,872 --> 00:01:13,707 and comes to their senses. 17 00:01:15,709 --> 00:01:17,611 Karen's even in it. 18 00:01:18,645 --> 00:01:20,380 And she's not dead. 19 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:22,583 We have a solid shot 20 00:01:22,616 --> 00:01:25,485 if we can shut down this videotape. 21 00:01:29,355 --> 00:01:31,692 Oh, here you go. 22 00:01:31,725 --> 00:01:33,426 See this? 23 00:01:33,459 --> 00:01:35,161 Fiji. 24 00:01:35,195 --> 00:01:37,531 That's where I'm going 25 00:01:37,564 --> 00:01:39,800 when I walk out of that courthouse. 26 00:01:39,833 --> 00:01:41,668 I'm going right to a travel agent. 27 00:01:41,702 --> 00:01:45,706 In 10 days, I'll be sitting on that beach. 28 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:51,878 Look at me, Scott. 29 00:01:53,647 --> 00:01:56,216 Look at me. 30 00:01:58,284 --> 00:02:01,321 If that videotape is admitted, 31 00:02:01,354 --> 00:02:04,691 I believe you will be convicted... 32 00:02:04,725 --> 00:02:08,161 probably of second-degree murder. 33 00:02:08,194 --> 00:02:11,632 Now, that carries a life sentence. 34 00:02:14,835 --> 00:02:19,172 You will not be going to Fiji. 35 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,643 Do you get that? 36 00:02:28,448 --> 00:02:30,283 ♪ (theme) 37 00:03:26,607 --> 00:03:28,509 They're inside. 38 00:03:28,542 --> 00:03:30,744 Okay. 39 00:03:30,777 --> 00:03:34,648 This thing was built to bring children joy... 40 00:03:34,681 --> 00:03:36,650 and it's toxic. 41 00:03:36,683 --> 00:03:37,918 Come on. 42 00:03:41,321 --> 00:03:43,356 The fact that they called for the meeting -- 43 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:44,658 that they're coming to us -- 44 00:03:44,691 --> 00:03:45,759 it's a very good sign. 45 00:03:45,792 --> 00:03:47,628 How much? 46 00:03:47,661 --> 00:03:49,763 We have no idea. 47 00:03:49,796 --> 00:03:51,998 Nothing is good enough for what they did to our kids. 48 00:03:52,032 --> 00:03:53,466 Of course not, 49 00:03:53,499 --> 00:03:55,368 but you have to remember if we go to trial, 50 00:03:55,401 --> 00:03:57,003 we will want your son to take the stand 51 00:03:57,037 --> 00:03:58,371 and talk about his seizures, 52 00:03:58,404 --> 00:03:59,673 we'll need your daughter 53 00:03:59,706 --> 00:04:01,007 to talk about her motor problems, 54 00:04:01,041 --> 00:04:02,843 and your youngest son 55 00:04:02,876 --> 00:04:05,045 may have to discuss his learning disabilities 56 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:07,480 and the humiliation that he suffered. 57 00:04:07,514 --> 00:04:09,516 We've talked to them, Ellenor. They're ready. 58 00:04:09,550 --> 00:04:13,520 The number Ellenor and I think is reasonable 59 00:04:13,554 --> 00:04:15,656 is $160,000 per child. 60 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:17,490 It seems low. 61 00:04:17,524 --> 00:04:19,693 Of course, nothing can make up 62 00:04:19,726 --> 00:04:21,494 for your children's injuries, 63 00:04:21,528 --> 00:04:23,530 but the present-day value of that 64 00:04:23,564 --> 00:04:26,800 is probably around $240,000 if you figure in an appeal 65 00:04:26,833 --> 00:04:30,871 and, given our problems proving liability, 66 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:33,039 that would be an excellent settlement. 67 00:04:33,073 --> 00:04:35,509 We're not sure we can get that, 68 00:04:35,542 --> 00:04:37,277 but that's our number. 69 00:04:47,988 --> 00:04:50,090 What, you think I killed her? 70 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:51,792 What are you -- crazy? 71 00:04:51,825 --> 00:04:54,628 HELEN: I don't think you intended to kill her, 72 00:04:54,661 --> 00:04:55,696 I really don't. 73 00:04:55,729 --> 00:04:56,797 So what are you saying? 74 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:58,565 LARSON: Mr. Wallace, 75 00:04:58,599 --> 00:05:02,002 things will go much better for you if you cooperate. 76 00:05:02,035 --> 00:05:04,571 We think you had an argument. 77 00:05:04,605 --> 00:05:07,708 You hit her, maybe by accident. 78 00:05:07,741 --> 00:05:09,375 She was unconscious. 79 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:11,712 You were afraid of how it might look. 80 00:05:11,745 --> 00:05:13,547 You put her in the car 81 00:05:13,580 --> 00:05:16,817 to make it look like a suicide. 82 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:19,753 That's what happened, isn't it? 83 00:05:32,432 --> 00:05:34,400 My client was in shock 84 00:05:34,434 --> 00:05:36,603 at the time of this interrogation. 85 00:05:36,637 --> 00:05:38,038 He had just found his wife dead 86 00:05:38,071 --> 00:05:39,873 less than an hour before this. 87 00:05:39,906 --> 00:05:40,874 First of all, he was read his rights. 88 00:05:40,907 --> 00:05:42,375 It isn't about that. 89 00:05:42,408 --> 00:05:44,110 He was suffering severe traumatic distress. 90 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:45,779 He wasn't fully processing 91 00:05:45,812 --> 00:05:47,480 all the stuff being thrown at him here, 92 00:05:47,514 --> 00:05:49,850 and that tape makes it look like 93 00:05:49,883 --> 00:05:52,118 he was acquiescing to something when he wasn't. 94 00:05:52,152 --> 00:05:53,554 He was just under shock. 95 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:54,921 You can certainly argue that, counsel. 96 00:05:54,955 --> 00:05:56,523 Your honor, 97 00:05:56,557 --> 00:05:58,491 if the jury sees that tape, the prejudice alone -- 98 00:05:58,525 --> 00:05:59,760 he certainly had the presence of mind 99 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:01,127 to give us a nice coherent 100 00:06:01,161 --> 00:06:03,129 exculpatory version of the events. 101 00:06:03,163 --> 00:06:04,531 He gave you the truth. 102 00:06:04,565 --> 00:06:05,866 All right. 103 00:06:05,899 --> 00:06:08,134 I'll allow the videotape 104 00:06:08,168 --> 00:06:10,504 for impeachment purposes only. 105 00:06:10,537 --> 00:06:12,606 Your honor, that will effectively 106 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:13,674 prevent my client from testifying. 107 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,576 It does no such thing. 108 00:06:15,609 --> 00:06:18,512 It only means if he testifies, he does so with some risk of -- 109 00:06:18,545 --> 00:06:19,880 I object to this! 110 00:06:19,913 --> 00:06:22,448 Your objection is noted. The ruling is final. 111 00:06:22,482 --> 00:06:23,917 (gavel pounds) 112 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:28,822 Offer's still good. 113 00:06:28,855 --> 00:06:30,824 No, thanks. 114 00:06:36,563 --> 00:06:38,932 If you take the stand, the tape comes in, 115 00:06:38,965 --> 00:06:40,200 and I don't know how we win this 116 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:42,569 without you getting in that chair. 117 00:06:42,603 --> 00:06:44,070 I can explain that tape. 118 00:06:44,104 --> 00:06:46,673 I-it was like you said. I was in shock. 119 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:49,142 Now, I can convince the jury of that. 120 00:06:49,175 --> 00:06:53,079 I'm going to recommend manslaughter one last time. 121 00:06:53,113 --> 00:06:56,416 No. 122 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,955 I have one other idea. 123 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:05,225 A polygraph? 124 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:06,927 I'm willing to box him. 125 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,929 If we both stipulate to the admissibility, 126 00:07:08,962 --> 00:07:11,497 the judge will allow us to introduce the results. 127 00:07:11,532 --> 00:07:13,867 Bobby, do I have the word "dope" stamped on my forehead, 128 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:16,503 or is it just that you know me? 129 00:07:16,537 --> 00:07:18,204 Obviously, if you've come to us 130 00:07:18,238 --> 00:07:20,040 asking that we give your client a lie detector, 131 00:07:20,073 --> 00:07:22,108 you've already given him one and he passed. 132 00:07:22,142 --> 00:07:23,577 We've given him five, 133 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:25,145 with four different technicians, 134 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:26,780 and he's passed every one. 135 00:07:26,813 --> 00:07:28,515 He took it five times? 136 00:07:28,549 --> 00:07:30,584 And passed every one. 137 00:07:30,617 --> 00:07:32,586 Suppose he fails ours. 138 00:07:32,619 --> 00:07:33,954 You willing to stipulate to admissibility? 139 00:07:33,987 --> 00:07:35,822 Right now. 140 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,895 This man is innocent. 141 00:07:46,099 --> 00:07:48,635 I've never done this before. 142 00:07:48,669 --> 00:07:49,770 Done what? 143 00:07:49,803 --> 00:07:51,905 Traded on our personal relationship. 144 00:07:51,938 --> 00:07:53,540 Helen, we know each other. 145 00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:55,542 I have never asked for a favor 146 00:07:55,576 --> 00:07:57,878 on the basis of our friendship. 147 00:07:57,911 --> 00:07:59,145 I'm doing it here, 148 00:07:59,179 --> 00:08:01,181 and I've earned it one time, Helen. 149 00:08:01,214 --> 00:08:04,150 I've earned it. 150 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:06,720 Now, you trust the accuracy of lie detectors, 151 00:08:06,753 --> 00:08:10,891 give him one. If he passes... 152 00:08:10,924 --> 00:08:12,225 kick it. 153 00:08:17,030 --> 00:08:19,733 You want to run that by me again? 154 00:08:19,766 --> 00:08:21,635 Our case is circumstantial. 155 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:25,105 Evidently, he has passed a polygraph over and over. 156 00:08:25,138 --> 00:08:27,040 His lawyer is willing to box him 157 00:08:27,073 --> 00:08:28,642 with our own polygraph. 158 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:30,276 Helen, the trial starts in two hours. 159 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:32,012 I realize that, Kate. 160 00:08:32,045 --> 00:08:34,114 And you want to, what -- 161 00:08:34,147 --> 00:08:35,782 put out a release saying, "oops"? 162 00:08:35,816 --> 00:08:37,784 If this man did not commit the crime, 163 00:08:37,818 --> 00:08:39,786 I'm not going to secure a conviction 164 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:42,188 simply to avoid a public relations nightmare. 165 00:08:42,222 --> 00:08:43,323 I just... 166 00:08:43,356 --> 00:08:45,025 Look, I saw that interrogation. 167 00:08:45,058 --> 00:08:48,161 Maybe he was disoriented like he says. 168 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:49,696 You've got motive. 169 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:52,132 There's forensics, the whack on the head. 170 00:08:52,165 --> 00:08:53,867 They were heard fighting. 171 00:08:53,900 --> 00:08:57,070 Nobody described the woman as remotely suicidal. 172 00:08:57,103 --> 00:08:59,039 The man did it. 173 00:08:59,072 --> 00:09:01,307 I don't care if he passed 50 polygraphs. 174 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:02,676 I'm not so sure. 175 00:09:02,709 --> 00:09:04,611 Well, let me make it easy for you. 176 00:09:04,645 --> 00:09:08,214 You're prosecuting this case. 177 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:15,822 I think it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway -- 178 00:09:15,856 --> 00:09:18,224 this offer in no way admits to any liability 179 00:09:18,258 --> 00:09:20,827 on the part of the environmental protection agency. 180 00:09:20,861 --> 00:09:23,263 We realize that. What's the number? 181 00:09:23,296 --> 00:09:26,299 $20,000. 182 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:29,269 $20,000? 183 00:09:29,302 --> 00:09:30,804 Apiece. 184 00:09:30,837 --> 00:09:32,338 Times 3, that's $60,000. 185 00:09:32,372 --> 00:09:34,107 MAN #2: More than the case is worth. 186 00:09:34,140 --> 00:09:35,909 And we're only offering it 187 00:09:35,942 --> 00:09:37,978 to avoid the publicity that this hearing might generate. 188 00:09:38,011 --> 00:09:41,281 We have children with severe learning disabilities. 189 00:09:41,314 --> 00:09:42,716 Motor skills -- 190 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:44,651 look, even if that thing is toxic, 191 00:09:44,685 --> 00:09:46,653 the government didn't manufacture it. 192 00:09:46,687 --> 00:09:48,989 Yes, that's been your argument, but you lost the 12-B-6, 193 00:09:49,022 --> 00:09:50,857 you lost the federal tort claims act -- 194 00:09:50,891 --> 00:09:54,294 I don't think we'll lose at summary judgment. 195 00:09:54,327 --> 00:09:56,296 You represented on the phone on Monday 196 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:58,264 and then again this morning 197 00:09:58,298 --> 00:10:00,266 that a serious offer was coming in. 198 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:02,268 The figure represents the maximum authorized 199 00:10:02,302 --> 00:10:03,737 by the agency, so -- 200 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:05,872 Then why are we talking? 201 00:10:05,906 --> 00:10:07,874 Because we have faith that logic eventually seeps 202 00:10:07,908 --> 00:10:09,710 into even the most hardheaded of craniums. 203 00:10:09,743 --> 00:10:10,811 Get out! 204 00:10:10,844 --> 00:10:11,912 You're obligated to take the offer 205 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:13,379 to your clients, Miss Frutt. 206 00:10:13,413 --> 00:10:16,316 However much your firm might end up out of pocket. 207 00:10:16,349 --> 00:10:20,921 Ethically, you are required to present this offer to the plaintiffs. 208 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:26,426 Thank you, Mr. Meyers. 209 00:10:26,459 --> 00:10:29,796 Our clients are low-income parents 210 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:33,033 whose children have lifelong handicaps 211 00:10:33,066 --> 00:10:36,670 due, in part, to the agency you represent. 212 00:10:36,703 --> 00:10:40,073 You have the indecency to come in here and tell us 213 00:10:40,106 --> 00:10:43,076 that their injuries are worth only $20,000, 214 00:10:43,109 --> 00:10:45,245 and then to add to that insult, 215 00:10:45,278 --> 00:10:50,250 you are lecturing me on ethics? 216 00:10:50,283 --> 00:10:54,020 Get the hell out of here before I throw you out. 217 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:11,838 You're tilting at the wrong windmill this time. 218 00:11:11,872 --> 00:11:14,875 You haven't seen us tilt yet. 219 00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:40,033 How you doing? 220 00:11:42,402 --> 00:11:44,370 I just went into the bathroom 221 00:11:44,404 --> 00:11:45,939 and threw up. 222 00:11:48,408 --> 00:11:51,111 We got to tell the clients. 223 00:11:51,144 --> 00:11:53,780 We should go there again. 224 00:11:56,316 --> 00:11:59,319 You can't beat yourself up, Ellenor. 225 00:11:59,352 --> 00:12:02,422 It's a miracle you got it this far. 226 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:06,927 $20,000. 227 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,030 What a miracle. 228 00:12:10,063 --> 00:12:12,065 LINDSAY: We should go. 229 00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:23,409 When I arrived, 230 00:12:23,443 --> 00:12:26,412 the defendant was sitting right out on the driveway. 231 00:12:26,446 --> 00:12:28,214 He seemed very despondent. 232 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:31,417 Inside the garage, we found the victim 233 00:12:31,451 --> 00:12:34,320 facedown on the floor next to the vehicle, 234 00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:36,957 bleeding slightly from the back of the head. 235 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:38,058 She was dead? 236 00:12:38,091 --> 00:12:39,425 Yes. 237 00:12:39,459 --> 00:12:41,795 There was a garden hose taped to the exhaust pipe 238 00:12:41,828 --> 00:12:43,897 leading to the rear passenger-side window. 239 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:47,333 It appeared to be a suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning. 240 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:49,803 Did you run prints on the garden hose? 241 00:12:49,836 --> 00:12:53,439 We found prints matching the victim and the defendant. 242 00:12:53,473 --> 00:12:56,142 BOBBY: You said Mr. Wallace seemed despondent. 243 00:12:56,176 --> 00:12:58,411 Could he have possibly been in shock? 244 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:01,414 -Possibly. -Did my client tell you that he pulled the hose out of the car? 245 00:13:01,447 --> 00:13:04,350 -Yes. He did. -And that he pulled his wife from the vehicle? 246 00:13:04,384 --> 00:13:06,319 He said that, yes. 247 00:13:06,352 --> 00:13:08,889 I was walking my dog at 9:30 248 00:13:08,922 --> 00:13:10,824 and I heard him screaming at his wife 249 00:13:10,857 --> 00:13:12,158 from inside the house. 250 00:13:12,192 --> 00:13:13,994 Are you sure you heard Scott Wallace? 251 00:13:14,027 --> 00:13:15,461 I'm 100% sure. He's my neighbor. 252 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:17,898 I know what his voice sounds like. 253 00:13:17,931 --> 00:13:20,834 And I was about 20 feet from his front door. 254 00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:23,604 He and Jill were both yelling at each other. 255 00:13:23,637 --> 00:13:25,471 Do you know what about? 256 00:13:25,506 --> 00:13:29,009 No, but I found out later she was planning to leave him. 257 00:13:29,042 --> 00:13:30,076 Objection. 258 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:31,177 Sustained. 259 00:13:31,211 --> 00:13:33,346 You're sure this was around 9:30? 260 00:13:33,379 --> 00:13:37,183 Positive. That's when I walk my dog every night. 261 00:13:37,217 --> 00:13:38,619 One last thing. 262 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:41,354 You said you could recognize the defendant's voice. 263 00:13:41,387 --> 00:13:43,857 You could recognize his screaming voice? 264 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:45,025 Yes. 265 00:13:45,058 --> 00:13:46,627 You heard him scream before? 266 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:48,461 Many times. 267 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:49,930 He and his wife 268 00:13:49,963 --> 00:13:51,464 had a lot of nasty screaming fights. 269 00:13:51,497 --> 00:13:54,100 Once we even called the police. 270 00:13:54,134 --> 00:13:56,002 You called the police that night? 271 00:13:56,036 --> 00:13:57,370 No. 272 00:13:57,403 --> 00:14:00,273 -You hear any signs of violence? -No. 273 00:14:00,306 --> 00:14:02,576 In fact, you heard nothing that caused you any sense of alarm. 274 00:14:02,609 --> 00:14:04,410 Well, I -- 275 00:14:04,444 --> 00:14:07,648 you didn't feel the need to intervene. 276 00:14:07,681 --> 00:14:09,482 No. 277 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:13,119 There were shed skin cells on the victim's head, neck. 278 00:14:13,153 --> 00:14:16,089 DNA analysis revealed an exact genetic match. 279 00:14:16,122 --> 00:14:17,123 With who? 280 00:14:17,157 --> 00:14:18,191 The defendant. 281 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:20,160 We also analyzed a skin fragment 282 00:14:20,193 --> 00:14:22,162 found under the defendant's fingernail. 283 00:14:22,195 --> 00:14:23,964 Were you able to identify it? 284 00:14:23,997 --> 00:14:25,966 It was a genetic match to the victim. 285 00:14:25,999 --> 00:14:28,669 If my client were trying to resuscitate the victim, 286 00:14:28,702 --> 00:14:30,671 it's possible that shed skin cells 287 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:33,974 could get on the victim's head and neck, right, doctor? 288 00:14:34,007 --> 00:14:35,441 That's possible, yes. 289 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:38,144 And while trying to save her, it's possible that 290 00:14:38,178 --> 00:14:40,080 a piece of her skin could get under his fingernail, right? 291 00:14:40,113 --> 00:14:42,082 That might be less likely. 292 00:14:42,115 --> 00:14:44,150 I'm asking you, is it possible? 293 00:14:44,184 --> 00:14:45,919 Of course. 294 00:14:45,952 --> 00:14:48,021 And all this DNA evidence we're talking about -- 295 00:14:48,054 --> 00:14:49,690 it could have come as a direct result 296 00:14:49,723 --> 00:14:51,525 of my client's efforts to save his wife, 297 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:52,926 isn't that right, doctor? 298 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,160 That's not what I think happened. 299 00:14:54,194 --> 00:14:55,428 But it's possible. 300 00:14:55,461 --> 00:14:59,299 Yes...it is. 301 00:14:59,332 --> 00:15:00,567 Thank you. 302 00:15:07,508 --> 00:15:09,209 I can't believe it. 303 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:11,277 We were just as shocked as you are. 304 00:15:11,311 --> 00:15:14,280 I thought it was going to be a substantial offer. 305 00:15:14,314 --> 00:15:16,016 Didn't they tell you that? 306 00:15:16,049 --> 00:15:19,285 They intimated that we would be very happy, yes. 307 00:15:19,319 --> 00:15:23,023 Our suspicion is they did that to lull us a little, 308 00:15:23,056 --> 00:15:25,058 thinking if we were expecting settlement, 309 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:27,327 we really wouldn't prepare that hard for their motion. 310 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,062 Were they right? 311 00:15:29,095 --> 00:15:31,965 Absolutely not. We're very ready. 312 00:15:31,998 --> 00:15:35,401 After what they did to our children... 313 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:37,137 The hearing's tomorrow. 314 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:40,406 If we win, we think their numbers will come up. 315 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,209 I have to be honest and say 316 00:15:43,243 --> 00:15:48,148 that I am very disappointed with the two of you. 317 00:15:48,181 --> 00:15:51,217 We had a few people tell us that we should have never hired you, 318 00:15:51,251 --> 00:15:54,254 that you didn't have the resources to -- 319 00:15:54,287 --> 00:15:55,656 but we liked you. 320 00:15:58,391 --> 00:16:01,061 Well, right now I feel deceived. 321 00:16:01,094 --> 00:16:03,997 I feel like you promised things 322 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:06,332 to get the case, 323 00:16:06,366 --> 00:16:09,636 things which you obviously can't deliver. 324 00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:17,077 Can I respond to that? 325 00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:19,546 When we took this case, 326 00:16:19,580 --> 00:16:21,114 we thought we would be suing 327 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:23,016 the manufacturer of that play gym. 328 00:16:23,049 --> 00:16:25,385 That was a much stronger case. 329 00:16:25,418 --> 00:16:27,353 Then, when we discovered both that company 330 00:16:27,387 --> 00:16:29,623 and the chemical company no longer existed, 331 00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,257 your case was basically over 332 00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:34,194 until Ellenor came up with the idea to sue the E. P. A. 333 00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:35,596 She beat them in the motion to dismiss, 334 00:16:35,629 --> 00:16:37,463 she got through the administration level, 335 00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:39,265 earning the right to keep going. 336 00:16:39,299 --> 00:16:40,801 I'm sure there are other firms out there 337 00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:42,669 that could have gotten it this far, 338 00:16:42,703 --> 00:16:44,638 but the reality is they wouldn't have tried. 339 00:16:44,671 --> 00:16:46,540 Most lawyers would have dropped this case 340 00:16:46,573 --> 00:16:48,374 as soon as they found the manufacturer 341 00:16:48,408 --> 00:16:49,576 to be nonexistent. 342 00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:51,377 But Ellenor -- and me with her -- 343 00:16:51,411 --> 00:16:55,115 kept going out of commitment to you. 344 00:16:55,148 --> 00:16:57,417 Maybe we failed... 345 00:16:57,450 --> 00:16:59,653 but I take exception to the suggestion 346 00:16:59,686 --> 00:17:03,223 that it was a mistake to hire us. 347 00:17:03,256 --> 00:17:08,061 We're just...disappointed. 348 00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:09,696 That's all. 349 00:17:10,697 --> 00:17:13,133 We all are. 350 00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:16,670 Let's just do our best at summary judgment, 351 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:21,107 and hopefully we'll survive to get this to a jury. 352 00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,786 The cause of death was monoxide poisoning. 353 00:17:32,819 --> 00:17:35,689 What about the bleeding from the back of her head? 354 00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:37,357 That contusion was the result 355 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:39,092 of being struck with a blunt object. 356 00:17:39,125 --> 00:17:40,594 You said blunt instrument. 357 00:17:40,627 --> 00:17:43,363 Could that instrument be a cement floor? 358 00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,365 If she fell on the garage floor, 359 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:47,367 hitting the back of her head, 360 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,636 could that have caused the trauma we're talking about? 361 00:17:49,670 --> 00:17:52,172 A fracture like that couldn't have happened 362 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:54,174 by someone simply falling down. 363 00:17:54,207 --> 00:17:57,210 If my client discovered his wife in the car, 364 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:59,379 he grabbed her, pulled her out, 365 00:17:59,412 --> 00:18:01,648 and as he was pulling her out, 366 00:18:01,682 --> 00:18:03,650 her head crashed onto the floor -- 367 00:18:03,684 --> 00:18:06,186 -Objection. -Overruled. 368 00:18:06,219 --> 00:18:08,454 Doctor, if my client discovered his wife 369 00:18:08,488 --> 00:18:10,724 in the car unconscious, pulled her out, 370 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,726 causing her head to hit the floor, 371 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,728 could that have caused the fracture 372 00:18:14,761 --> 00:18:16,362 we're talking about? 373 00:18:16,396 --> 00:18:18,464 It's a possibility, but I -- 374 00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:20,801 Thank you, doctor. That's all. 375 00:18:22,703 --> 00:18:24,170 Ms. Gamble. 376 00:18:26,239 --> 00:18:28,208 The Commonwealth calls Kyle Barrett. 377 00:18:28,241 --> 00:18:30,210 This seems like a good time 378 00:18:30,243 --> 00:18:31,645 to call it a day. 379 00:18:31,678 --> 00:18:34,581 We'll begin with Mr. Barrett in the morning. 380 00:18:34,615 --> 00:18:37,584 (gallery murmuring) 381 00:18:37,618 --> 00:18:40,621 Get Mr. Barrett to my office now. 382 00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:45,325 He's going to walk? 383 00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:47,493 -I'm not saying that, but -- -But what? 384 00:18:47,528 --> 00:18:50,263 He killed my sister. Don't tell me now that he's -- 385 00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:52,866 Mr. Barrett, as we have explained from the start, 386 00:18:52,899 --> 00:18:54,601 our case is hugely circumstantial. 387 00:18:54,635 --> 00:18:56,703 We had hoped to be able to introduce 388 00:18:56,737 --> 00:18:58,705 the videotape interrogation. 389 00:18:58,739 --> 00:18:59,873 And you can't? 390 00:18:59,906 --> 00:19:01,775 Not unless we get him on the stand. 391 00:19:01,808 --> 00:19:03,343 This will only happen 392 00:19:03,376 --> 00:19:05,345 if his lawyers think he's losing, 393 00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:07,614 which I'm sure they don't think right now. 394 00:19:07,648 --> 00:19:09,716 The case has gone pretty well for them. 395 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:12,519 The only witness that we have left 396 00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:15,722 that can put them in the necessary hole is you. 397 00:19:15,756 --> 00:19:18,258 Which means when we ask you, 398 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:19,893 "Did your sister seem suicidal?" 399 00:19:19,926 --> 00:19:21,895 a response of "I didn't think so" 400 00:19:21,928 --> 00:19:23,630 isn't going to do it. 401 00:19:23,664 --> 00:19:25,832 Also, to the extent that you talk about anything 402 00:19:25,866 --> 00:19:27,834 your sister told you, that's hearsay. 403 00:19:27,868 --> 00:19:29,469 But under the law, 404 00:19:29,503 --> 00:19:31,471 one of the ways around the hearsay rule 405 00:19:31,505 --> 00:19:33,473 is an exception called the state of mind. 406 00:19:33,507 --> 00:19:34,708 Richard -- 407 00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,710 Basically, if you can say 408 00:19:36,743 --> 00:19:39,212 she wanted to start a new life -- 409 00:19:39,245 --> 00:19:40,547 Richard. 410 00:19:40,581 --> 00:19:43,216 Mr. Barrett, we certainly don't mean 411 00:19:43,249 --> 00:19:45,285 to put words in your mouth, 412 00:19:45,318 --> 00:19:47,554 nor would it be permissible for us to do so. 413 00:19:47,588 --> 00:19:49,455 But you need to realize 414 00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:51,558 unless you do damage, 415 00:19:51,592 --> 00:19:55,662 Scott Wallace probably won't testify, 416 00:19:55,696 --> 00:19:58,765 in which case he could in fact go free. 417 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,836 You knew your sister, sir. 418 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:05,672 If she was planning to start a new life, 419 00:20:05,706 --> 00:20:07,974 if she was in a positive place, 420 00:20:08,008 --> 00:20:09,342 there is no way 421 00:20:09,375 --> 00:20:11,945 she would ever take her own life, 422 00:20:11,978 --> 00:20:13,580 not in any circumstance, 423 00:20:13,614 --> 00:20:15,481 certainly not in this situation, 424 00:20:15,516 --> 00:20:17,851 where she was looking forward to starting over. 425 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:19,419 She was murdered. 426 00:20:19,452 --> 00:20:20,854 If you know it -- 427 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:22,956 she did not commit suicide -- 428 00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:25,291 you absolutely know it. 429 00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:31,031 I got it. 430 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:33,299 We'll see you in there. 431 00:20:42,375 --> 00:20:43,710 First you tell him 432 00:20:43,744 --> 00:20:45,712 how to beat the hearsay rule, 433 00:20:45,746 --> 00:20:48,715 then you practically supply his testimony. 434 00:20:48,749 --> 00:20:50,851 Helen, I'm just preparing our witness. 435 00:20:50,884 --> 00:20:52,485 I explain the law, 436 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:53,887 tell him what's relevant and what to emphasize. 437 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,822 I do it, you do it. 438 00:20:55,856 --> 00:20:58,291 And besides, you said it yourself. 439 00:20:58,324 --> 00:21:00,360 This witness is all we have 440 00:21:00,393 --> 00:21:02,629 to get Scott Wallace in that chair. 441 00:21:02,663 --> 00:21:05,599 Be glad I coached him. 442 00:21:13,607 --> 00:21:15,308 I have to testify. 443 00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:17,310 I've explained this, Scott. 444 00:21:17,343 --> 00:21:19,780 If you get up there, they can put in the video. 445 00:21:19,813 --> 00:21:21,014 But if I don't tell my side -- 446 00:21:21,047 --> 00:21:22,448 We've backdoored your story. 447 00:21:22,482 --> 00:21:24,651 The jury knows your version of the events. 448 00:21:24,685 --> 00:21:26,352 Listen to me. 449 00:21:26,386 --> 00:21:28,522 Now, I know I have the right not to testify, 450 00:21:28,555 --> 00:21:32,025 but I also know that juries draw inferences sometimes 451 00:21:32,058 --> 00:21:33,794 about defendants who don't. 452 00:21:33,827 --> 00:21:35,529 Now, I'm a credible witness. 453 00:21:35,562 --> 00:21:37,063 I can explain that videotape, 454 00:21:37,097 --> 00:21:39,966 and the jury can see me as a person. 455 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,969 It's a bad idea. 456 00:21:43,003 --> 00:21:45,939 Trust me. 457 00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:55,549 Um, Ms. Frutt. 458 00:21:55,582 --> 00:21:57,918 Can you excuse me for one second? 459 00:22:02,856 --> 00:22:05,491 All right. $32,500. 460 00:22:05,526 --> 00:22:07,728 -Rejected. -Aren't you going to make that -- 461 00:22:07,761 --> 00:22:09,730 We don't need to present that to our clients. 462 00:22:09,763 --> 00:22:11,565 And if your intent with that insulting lowball 463 00:22:11,598 --> 00:22:13,567 is to inflame me before we go in to argue, 464 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,001 it's not going to work. 465 00:22:15,035 --> 00:22:16,837 You seem a model of restraint. 466 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:18,739 You know something, Mr. Meyers? 467 00:22:18,772 --> 00:22:20,841 I have a thing about smug. 468 00:22:20,874 --> 00:22:22,576 I don't like smug. 469 00:22:22,609 --> 00:22:25,946 I know how you people work. You hustle in clients -- 470 00:22:25,979 --> 00:22:28,114 -All right, all right, John. -No, no, Mitchell. 471 00:22:28,148 --> 00:22:29,783 The courts are clogged by bottom-feeders like you 472 00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:31,585 who sue without bothering to even consult the law. 473 00:22:31,618 --> 00:22:33,654 We consulted the law, trust me. 474 00:22:33,687 --> 00:22:36,056 And don't think for a second that after we're through here 475 00:22:36,089 --> 00:22:39,059 we won't go after you for abuse of process. 476 00:22:39,092 --> 00:22:41,127 MITCHELL: Let's not let our tempers prevail here. 477 00:22:41,161 --> 00:22:42,629 Come on. 478 00:22:48,902 --> 00:22:50,871 Things just got worse. 479 00:22:50,904 --> 00:22:52,806 Judge Gilmore got appendicitis. 480 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,041 The case was transferred to Judge Aldrich. 481 00:22:55,075 --> 00:22:56,142 What? 482 00:22:56,176 --> 00:22:57,944 Judge Aldrich is sitting? 483 00:22:57,978 --> 00:23:00,514 -I'm afraid so. -Oh, great. 484 00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:02,516 He'll kick this before we even get through the door. 485 00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:04,050 Let's just go for it. 486 00:23:04,084 --> 00:23:07,153 There's nothing else we can do at this point. 487 00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:09,790 She was both excited and terrified. 488 00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:11,992 Excited and terrified of what, sir? 489 00:23:12,025 --> 00:23:14,995 Well, excited to be starting a new life, 490 00:23:15,028 --> 00:23:16,997 at being single again. 491 00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:18,532 Objection. This is all hearsay. 492 00:23:18,565 --> 00:23:19,900 State-of-mind exception. 493 00:23:19,933 --> 00:23:21,702 -Whose state of mind? -The victim's. 494 00:23:21,735 --> 00:23:23,169 Oh, come on. 495 00:23:23,203 --> 00:23:24,738 Judge, they're aruging that she killed herself. 496 00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:26,607 The fact that she told her brother 497 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,075 she wanted to live directly rebuts that. 498 00:23:29,109 --> 00:23:31,545 I'm going to allow it. The objection is overruled. 499 00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:33,179 You said your sister looked forward 500 00:23:33,213 --> 00:23:35,749 to meeting a man she could love. 501 00:23:35,782 --> 00:23:37,984 Yes. She was planning on telling Scott 502 00:23:38,018 --> 00:23:40,020 that she wanted a divorce. 503 00:23:40,053 --> 00:23:42,589 And why was she so terrified, if you know? 504 00:23:42,623 --> 00:23:44,490 She was afraid of Scott's temper. 505 00:23:44,525 --> 00:23:46,560 -She told you this? -Yes. 506 00:23:46,593 --> 00:23:48,662 She at one point wanted me to be with her 507 00:23:48,695 --> 00:23:49,930 when she told him. 508 00:23:49,963 --> 00:23:51,565 Why was that? 509 00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:53,767 She was afraid that he might try to harm her. 510 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,835 -Objection. -Objection. 511 00:23:54,868 --> 00:23:57,037 I'll allow it. 512 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:58,939 Did your sister say anything else, sir? 513 00:23:58,972 --> 00:24:00,941 She said that if she turned up missing, 514 00:24:00,974 --> 00:24:02,943 or if I didn't hear from her, 515 00:24:02,976 --> 00:24:04,945 that I should call the police, 516 00:24:04,978 --> 00:24:07,047 because Scott probably did something to her. 517 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,148 Objection! 518 00:24:08,181 --> 00:24:10,183 Overruled. 519 00:24:16,256 --> 00:24:18,692 Mr. Barrett, you've heard speculation 520 00:24:18,725 --> 00:24:20,961 that maybe your sister took her life. 521 00:24:20,994 --> 00:24:22,596 That's ridiculous. 522 00:24:22,629 --> 00:24:23,897 Why, sir? 523 00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:26,066 My sister and I talked every day. 524 00:24:26,099 --> 00:24:27,868 We were extremely close. 525 00:24:27,901 --> 00:24:29,603 She hid nothing from me. 526 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:31,605 If she was in so much as a bad mood, 527 00:24:31,638 --> 00:24:33,039 I would see it. 528 00:24:33,073 --> 00:24:35,976 She was not depressed, she was not despondent, 529 00:24:36,009 --> 00:24:38,144 she had no mental deficiencies, 530 00:24:38,178 --> 00:24:41,147 and the idea that she took her own life 531 00:24:41,181 --> 00:24:43,817 is absolutely preposterous. 532 00:24:46,186 --> 00:24:48,188 I have nothing further. 533 00:24:56,196 --> 00:24:58,532 Mr. Barrett, you think my client 534 00:24:58,565 --> 00:25:00,667 killed your sister, don't you? 535 00:25:00,701 --> 00:25:01,802 -Objection. -Goes to bias. 536 00:25:01,835 --> 00:25:03,269 I'll allow it. 537 00:25:03,303 --> 00:25:04,771 You think he did it? 538 00:25:04,805 --> 00:25:06,172 I know he did it. 539 00:25:06,206 --> 00:25:08,108 And if you think this man killed your sister, 540 00:25:08,141 --> 00:25:10,110 you'd want him to go to jail, wouldn't you? 541 00:25:10,143 --> 00:25:11,912 In fact, if you had the opportunity 542 00:25:11,945 --> 00:25:13,747 to help put this man in jail, 543 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:15,582 you'd probably jump at it, wouldn't you? 544 00:25:15,616 --> 00:25:17,551 What are you suggesting, counsel? 545 00:25:17,584 --> 00:25:19,653 Well, I'm suggesting you'd do anything to put the man 546 00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,922 you think killed your sister behind bars. 547 00:25:21,955 --> 00:25:24,224 You'd even get up in that witness chair and lie. 548 00:25:24,257 --> 00:25:26,192 -HELEN: Objection! -I never lied. 549 00:25:26,226 --> 00:25:28,028 Well, I have your statement to the police right here, 550 00:25:28,061 --> 00:25:29,963 taken the night your sister died, 551 00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:32,766 and you didn't say anything about her telling you, 552 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,768 "If I disappear, call the police." 553 00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:37,037 You didn't say anything about her telling you 554 00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:39,873 she was afraid of being harmed, did you, Mr. Barrett? 555 00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:41,007 I believe I did. 556 00:25:41,041 --> 00:25:43,777 Where is it? 557 00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:46,046 Here's your statement. Where is it? 558 00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:49,149 Maybe the officer didn't write it down, but I -- 559 00:25:49,182 --> 00:25:50,684 Didn't write it down? 560 00:25:50,717 --> 00:25:52,686 The officer forgot to write that down? 561 00:25:52,719 --> 00:25:55,188 Look, I have always maintained 562 00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:57,257 that your client killed my sister. 563 00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:58,859 Yes, you've always maintained it. 564 00:25:58,892 --> 00:26:00,727 It has always been your opinion, 565 00:26:00,761 --> 00:26:02,262 but this is the first we're hearing of any facts, 566 00:26:02,295 --> 00:26:04,965 any statements like, "He'll try to harm me." 567 00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:06,700 This is the first we're hearing of this 568 00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:07,801 because you just decided to make those statements up, 569 00:26:07,834 --> 00:26:09,269 didn't you, Mr. Barrett? 570 00:26:09,302 --> 00:26:11,004 -HELEN: Objection! -Overruled. 571 00:26:11,037 --> 00:26:12,973 You want to put that man away so bad 572 00:26:13,006 --> 00:26:14,641 that you got up here and lied to get the job done. 573 00:26:14,675 --> 00:26:16,276 -HELEN: Objection! -All right, Mr. Young. 574 00:26:16,309 --> 00:26:18,244 You say your sister wasn't depressed, 575 00:26:18,278 --> 00:26:20,080 she had no mental deficiencies. 576 00:26:20,113 --> 00:26:22,148 Didn't my client share with you 577 00:26:22,182 --> 00:26:25,118 his concern that your sister had huge mood swings, 578 00:26:25,151 --> 00:26:26,720 that she might even need medication? 579 00:26:26,753 --> 00:26:28,288 -Hearsay! -Overruled. 580 00:26:28,321 --> 00:26:30,724 Didn't he come to you once seeking your help 581 00:26:30,757 --> 00:26:33,727 as her brother to convince her to get treatment? 582 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,995 Absolutely not. 583 00:26:35,028 --> 00:26:36,830 -You're a liar. -Objection! 584 00:26:36,863 --> 00:26:37,831 -Mr. Young! -You're under oath here, Mr. Barrett. 585 00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:38,965 Objection! 586 00:26:38,999 --> 00:26:40,266 Sustained. 587 00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:44,104 Mr. Young, don't make me warn you again. 588 00:26:44,137 --> 00:26:46,840 You say your sister wanted you 589 00:26:46,873 --> 00:26:50,176 to come with her that night, but you didn't. 590 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:53,013 Because I didn't think he would really kill her. 591 00:26:53,046 --> 00:26:54,280 I was wrong. 592 00:26:54,314 --> 00:26:56,382 What did you do that night, Mr. Barrett? 593 00:26:56,416 --> 00:26:58,284 I'm in a weekly card game. 594 00:27:00,153 --> 00:27:01,855 Your sister told you 595 00:27:01,888 --> 00:27:03,857 she was afraid for her life, 596 00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:05,859 but you couldn't help her 597 00:27:05,892 --> 00:27:08,328 because you had a poker game? 598 00:27:15,335 --> 00:27:17,337 I think I got it. 599 00:27:21,808 --> 00:27:22,976 Ms. Gamble. 600 00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:24,878 The Commonwealth rests, your honor. 601 00:27:24,911 --> 00:27:26,246 Mr. Donnell? 602 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,315 One second, your honor. 603 00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:30,817 What do you think? 604 00:27:30,851 --> 00:27:32,352 Right now we still have a chance, 605 00:27:32,385 --> 00:27:34,220 but if that videotape comes in -- 606 00:27:34,254 --> 00:27:35,889 Scott, it's still our opinion that you don't testify. 607 00:27:35,922 --> 00:27:37,691 It would open the door on the tape. 608 00:27:37,724 --> 00:27:40,260 But, Bobby, he is lying. Now, I can -- 609 00:27:40,293 --> 00:27:42,328 -Eugene crossed him pretty good, I think. -Yeah, I want to testify. 610 00:27:42,362 --> 00:27:44,164 -I can't let you. -Bobby, I -- 611 00:27:44,197 --> 00:27:46,366 -Scott, if you get up there, we'll lose. -Bobby -- 612 00:27:46,399 --> 00:27:49,069 The defense rests, your honor. 613 00:27:49,102 --> 00:27:51,404 (gallery murmuring) 614 00:27:59,179 --> 00:28:02,448 What's happening here is obvious. 615 00:28:02,482 --> 00:28:05,351 The manufacturer here of the playground equipment 616 00:28:05,385 --> 00:28:08,354 that caused these alleged injuries to the children 617 00:28:08,388 --> 00:28:10,190 has gone out of business, 618 00:28:10,223 --> 00:28:12,759 leaving the parents with nobody to sue, 619 00:28:12,793 --> 00:28:17,230 so they file a claim against the E. P. A. 620 00:28:17,263 --> 00:28:20,200 The plaintiffs have cited no persuasive case law, 621 00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:21,835 state or federal, 622 00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:24,838 that would allow for a United States agency 623 00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:27,841 to be sued for the conduct of a private business. 624 00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:29,309 And, your honor, 625 00:28:29,342 --> 00:28:33,313 let's consider the logic of what they're asking for. 626 00:28:33,346 --> 00:28:35,849 Since these injuries were caused 627 00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:38,218 by environmental factors, they're suing 628 00:28:38,251 --> 00:28:41,221 the Environmental Protection Agency. 629 00:28:41,254 --> 00:28:44,858 Under that theory, since we have an F. D. A., 630 00:28:44,891 --> 00:28:47,060 you could hold the government liable 631 00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:49,796 for any harm caused by a drug manufacturer. 632 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:51,497 Since we have an F. A. A., 633 00:28:51,532 --> 00:28:54,801 you could sue the government for every plane crash. 634 00:28:54,835 --> 00:28:57,871 I understand that we live in a litigious society, 635 00:28:57,904 --> 00:29:00,874 but the idea of suing the federal government 636 00:29:00,907 --> 00:29:02,242 for the actions 637 00:29:02,275 --> 00:29:04,244 of any regulated private industry -- 638 00:29:04,277 --> 00:29:05,879 that's ludicrous. 639 00:29:05,912 --> 00:29:08,148 As a matter of law, 640 00:29:08,181 --> 00:29:10,183 this claim is untenable, 641 00:29:10,216 --> 00:29:12,418 and accordingly, the government's motion 642 00:29:12,452 --> 00:29:15,388 for summary judgment should be granted. 643 00:29:21,562 --> 00:29:23,296 We are not suggesting 644 00:29:23,329 --> 00:29:26,266 that the government be held liable for air disasters 645 00:29:26,299 --> 00:29:28,301 simply because there's an F. A. A., 646 00:29:28,334 --> 00:29:31,905 nor are we saying that the E. P. A. should pay damages 647 00:29:31,938 --> 00:29:34,541 every time there's an environmental crisis. 648 00:29:34,575 --> 00:29:37,177 We're saying, in this situation, 649 00:29:37,210 --> 00:29:39,312 three children got hurt -- 650 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:41,181 very hurt -- 651 00:29:41,214 --> 00:29:43,550 because the Environmental Protection Agency 652 00:29:43,584 --> 00:29:45,919 didn't do its job. 653 00:29:45,952 --> 00:29:48,555 So you are alleging the kids got hurt 654 00:29:48,589 --> 00:29:50,924 by toxic playground equipment? 655 00:29:50,957 --> 00:29:52,292 Yes. 656 00:29:52,325 --> 00:29:55,028 There is a preservative, which is also a pesticide, 657 00:29:55,061 --> 00:29:57,197 known as chromated copper arsenic -- CCA. 658 00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:59,866 It's used to pressure-treat wood, and it's found 659 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,202 in decks and playground equipment everywhere -- 660 00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:04,505 And I mean everywhere. 661 00:30:04,538 --> 00:30:08,909 With age, this pesticide leaches into the dirt, 662 00:30:08,942 --> 00:30:10,577 which is what happened in my clients' yard, 663 00:30:10,611 --> 00:30:12,946 where their children played every day. 664 00:30:12,979 --> 00:30:15,348 But why should the E. P. A. Be held liable? 665 00:30:15,381 --> 00:30:17,317 They didn't make that playground equipment. 666 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:19,485 Our argument is that the E. P. A. knew 667 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,487 about the dangers of this pesticide. 668 00:30:21,522 --> 00:30:24,090 They've known about it for almost 30 years, 669 00:30:24,124 --> 00:30:26,226 and yet they have continued to let 670 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:29,229 the wood preservers use the stuff. 671 00:30:29,262 --> 00:30:30,263 This is a complete lie. 672 00:30:30,296 --> 00:30:31,598 -Would you shut up? -Counsel. 673 00:30:31,632 --> 00:30:32,599 He's arguing the merits. 674 00:30:32,633 --> 00:30:35,101 Let me deal with him. 675 00:30:35,135 --> 00:30:38,004 The basis of your claim 676 00:30:38,038 --> 00:30:41,007 is that the E.P.A. knew of these dangers. 677 00:30:41,041 --> 00:30:42,909 Our claim is that 678 00:30:42,943 --> 00:30:46,513 when a governmental agency knows of a toxic condition 679 00:30:46,547 --> 00:30:48,515 that causes developmental problems 680 00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:51,017 in the nervous system of children -- 681 00:30:51,051 --> 00:30:55,155 when a governmental agency knows of a toxic chemical 682 00:30:55,188 --> 00:30:57,023 that is being regularly used 683 00:30:57,057 --> 00:30:58,525 to make playground equipment -- 684 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,262 when that governmental agency does nothing to stop it, 685 00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:04,898 then, yes, that agency is blameworthy, 686 00:31:04,931 --> 00:31:08,535 and, yes, that agency should incur some liability. 687 00:31:08,569 --> 00:31:13,006 Ms. Frutt, first, I can do without the tone. 688 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,375 Second, we could complain every day 689 00:31:15,408 --> 00:31:17,277 about the government not doing enough. 690 00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:19,546 We can't prevent every disaster. You know that. 691 00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:22,482 Yes, but this disaster was preventable. 692 00:31:22,516 --> 00:31:24,484 As are most automobile casualties, too. 693 00:31:24,518 --> 00:31:26,119 The government could mandate 694 00:31:26,152 --> 00:31:28,054 that every car be built like a tank. 695 00:31:28,088 --> 00:31:29,523 They could legislate that 696 00:31:29,556 --> 00:31:31,592 every airline passenger be equipped with a parachute. 697 00:31:31,625 --> 00:31:34,160 There are lots of things the government could do 698 00:31:34,194 --> 00:31:35,562 to make things safer, 699 00:31:35,596 --> 00:31:37,397 but there are economic realities. 700 00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:39,165 I understand that, 701 00:31:39,199 --> 00:31:41,568 and if the economics of fixing a problem 702 00:31:41,602 --> 00:31:43,169 is prohibitive, fine, 703 00:31:43,203 --> 00:31:46,172 but how about simply informing the public 704 00:31:46,206 --> 00:31:47,508 that a problem exists? 705 00:31:47,541 --> 00:31:51,512 They know there is a chemical that causes harm. 706 00:31:51,545 --> 00:31:53,514 How about simply alerting the public? 707 00:31:53,547 --> 00:31:55,516 Would that be too much of a burden 708 00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:57,518 on the federal government? 709 00:31:57,551 --> 00:32:00,587 Maybe not. My question is, do they have a duty to? 710 00:32:00,621 --> 00:32:04,057 Our position is that they have a duty to make known 711 00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:06,326 all toxic, dangerous conditions 712 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:07,994 that they know of. 713 00:32:08,028 --> 00:32:11,064 The E. P. A. is still sitting on this information. 714 00:32:11,097 --> 00:32:13,333 That chemical is still leaching 715 00:32:13,366 --> 00:32:15,168 into the dirt at playgrounds, 716 00:32:15,201 --> 00:32:17,270 children are playing in that dirt, 717 00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:20,073 and the E. P. A. still isn't informing people. 718 00:32:20,106 --> 00:32:23,076 Why? Because the wood manufacturers 719 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:25,712 have lobbied congress to get the E. P. A. to back off, 720 00:32:25,746 --> 00:32:28,715 and the only reason why I know about this problem 721 00:32:28,749 --> 00:32:31,451 is because of three sick children 722 00:32:31,484 --> 00:32:34,220 whose parents hired me. 723 00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:47,200 Closing? 724 00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:50,537 Yeah. 725 00:32:56,142 --> 00:32:59,479 If a client wants to testify, it's his right. 726 00:32:59,513 --> 00:33:01,047 He's not seeing straight. 727 00:33:01,081 --> 00:33:03,149 The guy is talking about Fiji. 728 00:33:03,183 --> 00:33:06,319 He's competent, he wanted to testify, and you prevented it. 729 00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:08,421 And what would the result be of that videotape? 730 00:33:08,454 --> 00:33:12,325 He's competent. His decision was to testify. 731 00:33:12,358 --> 00:33:15,428 And you sat silent. 732 00:33:20,534 --> 00:33:23,269 So we're both guilty. 733 00:33:54,467 --> 00:33:57,170 -He lied, Richard. -We don't know that. 734 00:33:57,203 --> 00:33:58,772 -Helen. -Of course we do. 735 00:33:58,805 --> 00:34:00,607 Oh, come on. The stuff about his sister being afraid 736 00:34:00,641 --> 00:34:02,543 or "call the police" -- where did that -- 737 00:34:02,576 --> 00:34:04,511 We don't know that it's untrue. 738 00:34:04,545 --> 00:34:06,212 I know what you said to him, how you coached him to be -- 739 00:34:06,246 --> 00:34:07,614 Hey, Helen -- 740 00:34:07,648 --> 00:34:09,783 The man committed perjury, Richard. We both know it. 741 00:34:09,816 --> 00:34:12,519 That testimony could convict. 742 00:34:12,553 --> 00:34:14,254 Even if he did perjure himself, 743 00:34:14,287 --> 00:34:16,156 all we have is suspicion. 744 00:34:16,189 --> 00:34:18,158 Yes, we're both technically covered. 745 00:34:18,191 --> 00:34:19,526 That doesn't solve it. 746 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,528 We could have an innocent man here 747 00:34:21,562 --> 00:34:24,164 who could end up serving a life sentence 748 00:34:24,197 --> 00:34:26,399 based on lies which we put into evidence. 749 00:34:26,432 --> 00:34:28,535 First of all, he's not innocent. 750 00:34:28,569 --> 00:34:29,770 I think he is -- 751 00:34:29,803 --> 00:34:32,338 Your opinion isn't relevant. 752 00:34:32,372 --> 00:34:35,141 Second, there's nothing we can do about it now. 753 00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:37,143 The witness said what he said. 754 00:34:37,177 --> 00:34:39,513 For all we know, it could be true. 755 00:34:39,546 --> 00:34:44,450 So, we just do our job and argue the case, period. 756 00:34:45,852 --> 00:34:47,821 Oh, I suppose you'll never be able 757 00:34:47,854 --> 00:34:49,656 to live with yourself now. 758 00:34:49,690 --> 00:34:51,257 Actually, I was thinking 759 00:34:51,291 --> 00:34:54,460 how I'd never be able to live with you. 760 00:34:54,494 --> 00:34:56,897 If you can't bring yourself to close, 761 00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:58,799 just say the word. 762 00:34:58,832 --> 00:35:00,433 The word here is 763 00:35:00,466 --> 00:35:02,435 the most damaging prosecution witness 764 00:35:02,468 --> 00:35:04,805 just concocted a bunch of big, fat lies. 765 00:35:04,838 --> 00:35:06,807 Now, look, I can't prove it, 766 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,876 but I know it, and so do you. 767 00:35:17,684 --> 00:35:19,586 WOMAN: All rise. 768 00:35:22,422 --> 00:35:24,525 Be seated. 769 00:35:29,763 --> 00:35:32,566 It seems strained that the government, 770 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:35,669 by creating an agency to watchdog private industries, 771 00:35:35,702 --> 00:35:37,403 could thereby become liable 772 00:35:37,437 --> 00:35:40,340 for the conduct of those industries. 773 00:35:40,373 --> 00:35:43,777 I am further troubled by the reality 774 00:35:43,810 --> 00:35:45,846 that it's the taxpayers who pay these judgments, 775 00:35:45,879 --> 00:35:47,413 should there be any. 776 00:35:47,447 --> 00:35:50,517 True, the Environmental Protection Agency 777 00:35:50,551 --> 00:35:53,319 is mandated to regulate pesticides, 778 00:35:53,353 --> 00:35:56,623 but to say that the E.P.A. knew of a leaching problem 779 00:35:56,657 --> 00:35:59,325 and failed either to correct it or to warn about it 780 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,828 makes them negligent to the point 781 00:36:01,862 --> 00:36:03,897 where they should assume responsibility 782 00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:08,702 is a hard leap for me to make as a juror. 783 00:36:09,836 --> 00:36:11,872 But it is, in fact, 784 00:36:11,905 --> 00:36:15,375 a question a jury should be deciding, not a judge. 785 00:36:15,408 --> 00:36:17,711 Defense motion for summary judgment is denied. 786 00:36:17,744 --> 00:36:21,414 Trial date is set for next tuesday. 787 00:36:21,447 --> 00:36:23,283 Adjourned. 788 00:36:23,316 --> 00:36:25,886 (gavel pounds) 789 00:36:25,919 --> 00:36:29,289 (gallery chattering) 790 00:36:29,322 --> 00:36:30,891 What happened? 791 00:36:30,924 --> 00:36:34,260 We won the motion. 792 00:36:34,294 --> 00:36:37,363 That's what happened. We're still alive. 793 00:36:37,397 --> 00:36:40,901 I don't believe it. I mean, I do, but I don't. 794 00:36:40,934 --> 00:36:42,569 Oh, my god. 795 00:36:42,603 --> 00:36:45,471 Okay, um, okay, we've got a lot of work to do 796 00:36:45,506 --> 00:36:46,807 on our damage claim, 797 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,742 and the trial is set for next week, 798 00:36:48,775 --> 00:36:50,577 so we've got to get together tonight. 799 00:36:50,611 --> 00:36:52,478 7:00 in our office. 800 00:36:52,513 --> 00:36:54,447 Ms. Frutt, can we talk? 801 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,849 No. 802 00:36:55,882 --> 00:36:59,620 You have anything else to say, you say it to a jury. 803 00:37:00,775 --> 00:37:05,755 Mr. Jamison, nobody wants a long trial here. 804 00:37:05,792 --> 00:37:11,765 After eight months, that's what you say to me? 805 00:37:11,798 --> 00:37:16,637 Go to hell. Take your friend. 806 00:37:22,643 --> 00:37:26,780 They have no case. 807 00:37:26,813 --> 00:37:29,683 They find my client's prints on the garden hose. 808 00:37:29,716 --> 00:37:32,819 Yes, because he yanked it out of the car. 809 00:37:32,853 --> 00:37:36,289 They find his prints and DNA on the victim. 810 00:37:36,322 --> 00:37:39,693 Yes, because he tried to revive her. 811 00:37:39,726 --> 00:37:42,428 There was a fracture on the back of her head. 812 00:37:42,462 --> 00:37:46,499 Yes, because Scott Wallace pulled her out of the car, 813 00:37:46,533 --> 00:37:49,402 causing her head to hit the cement floor. 814 00:37:49,435 --> 00:37:50,804 And seeing how anemic 815 00:37:50,837 --> 00:37:53,073 the case is against Scott Wallace, 816 00:37:53,106 --> 00:37:55,341 the man he believed killed his sister, 817 00:37:55,375 --> 00:37:58,979 Kyle Barrett took the stand and lied. 818 00:37:59,012 --> 00:38:01,982 He testified his sister was afraid Scott would harm her. 819 00:38:02,015 --> 00:38:05,819 Well, Kyle Barrett never told the police that -- never. 820 00:38:05,852 --> 00:38:07,654 He just made it up. 821 00:38:07,688 --> 00:38:09,656 It was a desperate lie 822 00:38:09,690 --> 00:38:11,658 that cannot be corroborated by anyone, 823 00:38:11,692 --> 00:38:14,094 and it's with that lie alone that the prosecution 824 00:38:14,127 --> 00:38:16,563 is trying to convict an innocent man. 825 00:38:16,597 --> 00:38:20,767 "My sister was afraid he'd harm her." 826 00:38:20,801 --> 00:38:24,571 "If I disappear, Scott did something." 827 00:38:24,605 --> 00:38:27,508 and he goes off to play poker? 828 00:38:28,942 --> 00:38:32,378 The reason Kyle Barrett made up these lies 829 00:38:32,412 --> 00:38:36,750 is because sitting in this room listening to the evidence, 830 00:38:36,783 --> 00:38:40,754 he recognized what you have to recognize. 831 00:38:42,556 --> 00:38:47,474 The prosecution has no case. 832 00:38:53,634 --> 00:38:58,038 A woman announces to her husband that she's going to leave him. 833 00:38:58,071 --> 00:39:01,608 They're heard in a screaming argument, 834 00:39:01,642 --> 00:39:06,146 and she suddenly turns up dead. 835 00:39:06,179 --> 00:39:09,449 We're supposed to think suicide? 836 00:39:09,482 --> 00:39:12,519 Is there anybody who knew her 837 00:39:12,553 --> 00:39:15,622 to describe her as suicidal 838 00:39:15,656 --> 00:39:17,824 or even depressed, for that matter? 839 00:39:17,858 --> 00:39:19,960 Does it make sense 840 00:39:19,993 --> 00:39:23,163 as she decides to move forward with life, 841 00:39:23,196 --> 00:39:26,166 she then decides to end it? 842 00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:29,836 As for the brother's testimony being a lie, 843 00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:31,972 where's the evidence of that? 844 00:39:32,005 --> 00:39:35,108 Did defense call anybody to contradict him? 845 00:39:37,511 --> 00:39:40,914 Let's all use a little common sense, shall we? 846 00:39:40,947 --> 00:39:44,918 A woman tries to leave her husband. 847 00:39:44,951 --> 00:39:47,654 She ends up dead in the house, 848 00:39:47,688 --> 00:39:51,658 a whack to the back of the head, 849 00:39:51,692 --> 00:39:53,860 no witnesses. 850 00:39:55,862 --> 00:39:59,766 Figure it out. 851 00:40:06,973 --> 00:40:09,776 Every day they need to be there? 852 00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:12,478 Yes. Our case is your children, 853 00:40:12,513 --> 00:40:15,549 and we want the jury to see their faces every single day, 854 00:40:15,582 --> 00:40:17,117 even during the doctors' testimony. 855 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:19,953 They can do it. We've certainly prepared them. 856 00:40:19,986 --> 00:40:22,055 The defendants have already brought a motion 857 00:40:22,088 --> 00:40:24,691 to bifurcate the trial, which we are opposing, 858 00:40:24,725 --> 00:40:27,127 which means we really should get to work. 859 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,129 So we will be in constant contact 860 00:40:29,162 --> 00:40:30,764 as we draw closer. 861 00:40:30,797 --> 00:40:32,699 Okay. 862 00:40:32,733 --> 00:40:36,469 Ms. Frutt. 863 00:40:38,004 --> 00:40:40,974 I apologize for what I said before. 864 00:40:41,007 --> 00:40:42,976 You don't have to. 865 00:40:43,009 --> 00:40:45,612 Yes, I do. 866 00:40:45,646 --> 00:40:48,515 I know how hard both of you have worked, 867 00:40:48,549 --> 00:40:51,618 and as I watched you in the court, 868 00:40:51,652 --> 00:40:54,621 well... 869 00:40:54,655 --> 00:40:57,223 I felt ashamed for doubting you. 870 00:41:00,661 --> 00:41:03,597 That was something. 871 00:41:04,931 --> 00:41:07,133 Thank you. 872 00:41:42,603 --> 00:41:44,538 Will the defendant please rise? 873 00:41:47,007 --> 00:41:50,744 Mr. Foreman, the jury has reached a unanimous verdict? 874 00:41:50,777 --> 00:41:52,312 We have, your honor. 875 00:41:52,345 --> 00:41:54,748 What say you? 876 00:41:54,781 --> 00:41:56,282 Commonwealth vs Scott Wallace 877 00:41:56,316 --> 00:41:58,752 on the charge of murder in the first degree -- 878 00:41:58,785 --> 00:42:02,322 we find the defendant Scott Wallace guilty. 879 00:42:02,355 --> 00:42:04,791 JUDGE WOLFE: Members of the jury, 880 00:42:04,825 --> 00:42:07,861 this completes your service. 881 00:42:07,894 --> 00:42:11,798 You are dismissed with the thanks of the court. 882 00:42:11,832 --> 00:42:14,200 Defense moves to set aside the verdict 883 00:42:14,234 --> 00:42:16,336 or for a new trial. 884 00:42:16,369 --> 00:42:18,338 You can file those motions later. 885 00:42:18,371 --> 00:42:21,074 Security will take the defendant into custody. 886 00:42:21,107 --> 00:42:23,309 We're adjourned. (bangs gavel) 887 00:42:23,343 --> 00:42:26,580 We've got some grounds. 888 00:42:26,613 --> 00:42:28,615 The ruling to allow your statement, we-- 889 00:42:28,649 --> 00:42:30,984 We've got some grounds. We'll appeal. 890 00:42:31,017 --> 00:42:33,219 Okay, okay, okay. 891 00:42:33,253 --> 00:42:35,255 Where are they taking me? 892 00:42:35,288 --> 00:42:37,057 They're transferring you to Cedars. 893 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:38,659 Oh. 894 00:42:38,692 --> 00:42:42,128 We have grounds, Scott. We'll appeal. 895 00:42:42,162 --> 00:42:45,098 Okay. I'll be okay. 896 00:42:48,234 --> 00:42:51,171 Mr. Donnell. 897 00:42:51,204 --> 00:42:53,173 MAN: Mr. Bay, can I get a comment? 898 00:42:53,206 --> 00:42:57,077 Mr. Bay, would you comment? 899 00:43:06,252 --> 00:43:07,688 Will you appeal? 900 00:43:07,721 --> 00:43:09,723 Yes, we will appeal. 901 00:43:32,312 --> 00:43:34,881 ♪ (theme) 902 00:43:57,871 --> 00:43:59,272 You stinker! 65650

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