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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:09,140 --> 00:01:12,677 (blowing whistle) 2 00:01:27,992 --> 00:01:32,396 STUART HERRINGTON: As we began to contemplate evacuation, 3 00:01:32,396 --> 00:01:35,766 the question, the burning question was, 4 00:01:35,766 --> 00:01:37,501 "Who goes, 5 00:01:37,501 --> 00:01:39,370 and who gets left behind?" 6 00:01:53,017 --> 00:01:55,920 I borrowed a truck 7 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,056 and I basically sent the signal to my folks, 8 00:01:59,056 --> 00:02:02,126 and this meant a group of South Vietnamese majors, 9 00:02:02,126 --> 00:02:05,296 lieutenant colonels, colonels and their families 10 00:02:05,296 --> 00:02:09,266 to muster at an address in downtown Saigon. 11 00:02:09,266 --> 00:02:13,371 I drove down there, they loaded up onto the truck, 12 00:02:13,371 --> 00:02:18,342 and I drove them to the airbase. 13 00:02:18,342 --> 00:02:20,544 And I had told them, "When you hear three thumps, 14 00:02:20,544 --> 00:02:23,147 "that means hold the babies' mouths. 15 00:02:23,147 --> 00:02:26,817 "Don't breathe, don't talk, don't make any noise 16 00:02:26,817 --> 00:02:29,253 because we're going through the gatepost." 17 00:02:29,253 --> 00:02:31,489 I saluted in uniform 18 00:02:31,489 --> 00:02:35,159 as a captain of the United States Army. 19 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:36,827 The guard waved me through, 20 00:02:36,827 --> 00:02:39,163 and I drove straight out to the flight line 21 00:02:39,163 --> 00:02:43,034 to an aircraft that was awaiting. 22 00:02:43,034 --> 00:02:47,338 One Vietnamese colonel that was putting his family on the plane, 23 00:02:47,338 --> 00:02:52,376 he had wanted to stay in Vietnam to defend the country. 24 00:02:52,376 --> 00:02:56,614 And this full colonel had, like, eight kids and a wife. 25 00:02:56,614 --> 00:02:59,950 And he was in tears, the family... 26 00:03:04,755 --> 00:03:07,291 The family were in tears, 27 00:03:07,291 --> 00:03:11,195 and I said to him, "Get on the plane. 28 00:03:11,195 --> 00:03:13,931 "Just... go. 29 00:03:13,931 --> 00:03:14,932 Go." 30 00:03:17,802 --> 00:03:22,740 It was a terrible, terrible, terrible moral dilemma 31 00:03:22,740 --> 00:03:24,408 for everybody. 32 00:03:35,019 --> 00:03:39,657 We today have concluded an agreement to end the war 33 00:03:39,657 --> 00:03:42,059 and bring peace with honor in Vietnam. 34 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,104 NIXON: We have adopted a plan for the complete withdrawal 35 00:03:53,104 --> 00:03:56,841 of all U.S. combat ground forces. 36 00:03:56,841 --> 00:04:00,077 We are finally bringing American men home. 37 00:04:02,747 --> 00:04:07,218 HENRY KISSINGER: We who made the agreement 38 00:04:07,218 --> 00:04:09,653 thought that it would be the beginning 39 00:04:09,653 --> 00:04:11,655 not of peace in the American sense, 40 00:04:11,655 --> 00:04:14,892 but the beginning of a period of coexistence 41 00:04:14,892 --> 00:04:21,132 which might evolve as it did in Korea into two states. 42 00:04:21,132 --> 00:04:24,935 Reconciliation between North and South Vietnam 43 00:04:24,935 --> 00:04:27,805 we knew would be extremely difficult. 44 00:04:27,805 --> 00:04:31,776 But I was hopeful. 45 00:04:33,978 --> 00:04:36,480 HERRINGTON: Because of the Paris Agreement, 46 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,250 American soldiers were going home. 47 00:04:40,551 --> 00:04:43,454 But I was on my way back to Vietnam. 48 00:04:47,725 --> 00:04:49,260 I was assigned to Saigon 49 00:04:49,260 --> 00:04:52,229 in the first week of August 1973, 50 00:04:52,229 --> 00:04:54,565 so about six months after the ceasefire. 51 00:05:04,875 --> 00:05:07,511 I would say that between the State Department people 52 00:05:07,511 --> 00:05:09,647 and CIA people, 53 00:05:09,647 --> 00:05:12,516 the contractors who were there to maintain infrastructure, 54 00:05:12,516 --> 00:05:13,784 maintain aircraft, 55 00:05:13,784 --> 00:05:16,520 as well as people like me, 56 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,891 we had 5,000 to 7,000 Americans in country. 57 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:27,331 A lot of the guys had Vietnamese girlfriends and wives, 58 00:05:27,331 --> 00:05:31,068 in many cases with children. 59 00:05:31,068 --> 00:05:35,673 In general, things were eerily calm 60 00:05:35,673 --> 00:05:40,411 and in many ways normal in Saigon. 61 00:05:40,411 --> 00:05:42,913 My sense was that we were gonna be there, 62 00:05:42,913 --> 00:05:46,083 you know, pretty much for a long time to come. 63 00:05:48,052 --> 00:05:52,356 I was assigned to the American embassy in Saigon. 64 00:05:52,356 --> 00:05:55,159 I was in charge 65 00:05:55,159 --> 00:05:59,597 of the 84 Marine security guards that were there, 66 00:05:59,597 --> 00:06:01,265 making sure that they kept up 67 00:06:01,265 --> 00:06:02,800 with their physical fitness training. 68 00:06:04,535 --> 00:06:08,305 We were there to protect American lives 69 00:06:08,305 --> 00:06:10,774 as well as American property. 70 00:06:10,774 --> 00:06:12,643 It was just a day-to-day job. 71 00:06:14,645 --> 00:06:21,218 FRANK SNEPP: The Ambassador there was a guy named Graham Martin, 72 00:06:21,218 --> 00:06:23,754 a North Carolinian, just as I was. 73 00:06:23,754 --> 00:06:26,590 He spoke with a slow Southern drawl. 74 00:06:26,590 --> 00:06:28,192 He was a great gentleman. 75 00:06:28,192 --> 00:06:31,795 He was a cold warrior in the old stripe. 76 00:06:31,795 --> 00:06:36,200 He'd lost an adopted son in Vietnam to combat. 77 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,204 And he was not gonna give up South Vietnam to the Communists. 78 00:06:40,204 --> 00:06:44,208 He was determined to keep U.S. aid 79 00:06:44,208 --> 00:06:46,043 flowing into Saigon. 80 00:06:48,946 --> 00:06:52,249 When the ceasefire occurred in 1973, 81 00:06:52,249 --> 00:06:55,319 everybody toasted it with Bloody Marys 82 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:57,121 in the U.S. embassy. 83 00:06:57,121 --> 00:06:59,323 It was a grand party. 84 00:06:59,323 --> 00:07:02,693 We thought peace was at hand. 85 00:07:02,693 --> 00:07:07,798 But the Paris Peace Accord was a masterpiece of ambiguity. 86 00:07:11,635 --> 00:07:14,004 HERRINGTON: In order to get President Thieu and the South Vietnamese 87 00:07:14,004 --> 00:07:16,006 to go along with the Paris Agreement, 88 00:07:16,006 --> 00:07:18,342 President Nixon pulled out all the stops, 89 00:07:18,342 --> 00:07:20,911 and in a letter to President Thieu, 90 00:07:20,911 --> 00:07:23,580 he promised that if the North Vietnamese 91 00:07:23,580 --> 00:07:25,616 were to substantially violate 92 00:07:25,616 --> 00:07:27,685 the terms of the Paris Agreement, 93 00:07:27,685 --> 00:07:31,255 the United States would respond with full force. 94 00:07:31,255 --> 00:07:35,626 In other words, reenter the war. 95 00:07:35,626 --> 00:07:40,264 SNEPP: The North Vietnamese viewed Nixon as a madman. 96 00:07:40,264 --> 00:07:44,168 They were terrified of him. 97 00:07:44,168 --> 00:07:47,871 They believed that Nixon, if necessary, 98 00:07:47,871 --> 00:07:49,940 would bring back American air power. 99 00:07:49,940 --> 00:07:56,080 But in August 1974, he was gone. 100 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,351 Nixon resigned because of Watergate. 101 00:08:00,351 --> 00:08:03,754 And overnight, everything changed. 102 00:08:03,754 --> 00:08:10,594 Hanoi suddenly saw the road to Saigon as being open. 103 00:08:10,594 --> 00:08:12,363 (cheering) 104 00:08:21,271 --> 00:08:22,873 (gunfire) 105 00:08:27,211 --> 00:08:28,779 (explosion) 106 00:08:31,749 --> 00:08:35,719 (gunfire) 107 00:08:35,719 --> 00:08:36,854 (explosion) 108 00:08:39,857 --> 00:08:42,393 HERRINGTON: The South Vietnamese population 109 00:08:42,393 --> 00:08:46,296 had ample reason to fear the Vietnamese Communists. 110 00:08:46,296 --> 00:08:50,000 The Communist conduct throughout the course of the war 111 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,437 had been violent and unforgiving. 112 00:08:53,437 --> 00:08:55,406 For example, when the city of Hue 113 00:08:55,406 --> 00:08:57,708 was taken over by the North Vietnamese, 114 00:08:57,708 --> 00:09:00,411 several thousand people on a long blacklist 115 00:09:00,411 --> 00:09:01,812 were rounded up-- 116 00:09:01,812 --> 00:09:04,181 Schoolteachers, government civil servants, 117 00:09:04,181 --> 00:09:06,350 people who were known anti-Communists-- 118 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:09,186 And they were executed, 119 00:09:09,186 --> 00:09:11,188 in some cases even buried alive. 120 00:09:11,188 --> 00:09:15,726 (crying) 121 00:09:15,726 --> 00:09:18,529 So panic was but a millimeter away. 122 00:09:23,067 --> 00:09:26,670 WALTER CRONKITE: Hundreds of thousands of refugees 123 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:28,872 are in a blind rush to flee even further 124 00:09:28,872 --> 00:09:31,008 from the rapidly advancing Communists. 125 00:09:31,008 --> 00:09:32,342 Bruce Dunning reports. 126 00:09:32,342 --> 00:09:36,680 BRUCE DUNNING: President Thieu broadcast a strong appeal 127 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:38,882 to the soldiers and the people of Da Nang, 128 00:09:38,882 --> 00:09:41,518 urging them to stay and fight. 129 00:09:58,969 --> 00:10:00,737 As the enemy approaches, the panic has swept 130 00:10:00,737 --> 00:10:02,973 from the coastal city's crowded backstreets and pagodas 131 00:10:02,973 --> 00:10:04,708 onto runways at the airport. 132 00:10:04,708 --> 00:10:06,677 REPORTER: Our plane is surrounded here. 133 00:10:06,677 --> 00:10:09,646 I don't know how the hell we're gonna get out. 134 00:10:09,646 --> 00:10:11,181 We're racing down the runway, 135 00:10:11,181 --> 00:10:13,851 leaving behind hundreds and thousands of people. 136 00:10:15,853 --> 00:10:18,021 Another dozen of them running along, 137 00:10:18,021 --> 00:10:20,124 grabbing at the air stair. 138 00:10:20,124 --> 00:10:23,293 We're pulling them on as fast as we can. 139 00:10:23,293 --> 00:10:25,829 There's a sea of humanity jamming on. 140 00:10:25,829 --> 00:10:28,932 Impossible to stop the crowd. 141 00:10:28,932 --> 00:10:30,567 We're pulling away. 142 00:10:30,567 --> 00:10:31,835 We're leaving them behind. 143 00:10:31,835 --> 00:10:33,070 We're pulling up with the... 144 00:10:33,070 --> 00:10:35,172 People are falling off the air stairs! 145 00:10:35,172 --> 00:10:37,741 The plane is taking off. 146 00:10:37,741 --> 00:10:41,378 HERRINGTON: It was every man for himself. 147 00:10:41,378 --> 00:10:44,348 So you saw the World Airways flight 148 00:10:44,348 --> 00:10:48,952 being mobbed by South Vietnamese soldiers. 149 00:10:48,952 --> 00:10:53,724 You saw ships with thousands of refugees, 150 00:10:53,724 --> 00:10:56,126 including lots of soldiers. 151 00:10:56,126 --> 00:10:57,861 You saw out-of-control panic. 152 00:11:00,097 --> 00:11:02,900 Basically any boats, trucks, airplanes, 153 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:06,270 or anything going south 154 00:11:06,270 --> 00:11:09,573 were besieged by people wanting to get on board. 155 00:11:12,943 --> 00:11:17,281 SNEPP: The Americans were gone, 156 00:11:17,281 --> 00:11:20,851 and as a result, the house of cards began to collapse. 157 00:11:24,521 --> 00:11:29,359 The North Vietnamese decided to escalate, 158 00:11:29,359 --> 00:11:32,296 escalate, escalate, escalate at every turn 159 00:11:32,296 --> 00:11:34,364 to see if the United States would react. 160 00:11:39,970 --> 00:11:44,308 RON NESSEN: In April of '75, I was with President Gerald Ford, 161 00:11:44,308 --> 00:11:47,878 and we were flying across the country on Air Force One 162 00:11:47,878 --> 00:11:50,647 when one of the airplane's crew 163 00:11:50,647 --> 00:11:52,883 comes and hands me a note, 164 00:11:52,883 --> 00:11:55,252 and it says, "Da Nang has fallen." 165 00:11:55,252 --> 00:11:59,423 Ford was bombarded by questions from the press 166 00:11:59,423 --> 00:12:02,859 after he got off Air Force One. 167 00:12:02,859 --> 00:12:05,629 Around 150,000 to 175,000 168 00:12:05,629 --> 00:12:10,267 well-trained North Vietnamese regular forces 169 00:12:10,267 --> 00:12:12,269 in violation of the Paris Peace Accords 170 00:12:12,269 --> 00:12:14,805 moved into South Vietnam. 171 00:12:14,805 --> 00:12:18,508 We have objected to that violation. 172 00:12:18,508 --> 00:12:24,514 It's a tragedy unbelievable in its ramifications. 173 00:12:24,514 --> 00:12:29,820 SNEPP: We are now in a crisis. 174 00:12:29,820 --> 00:12:31,822 We had a wave of humanity: 175 00:12:31,822 --> 00:12:39,363 500,000 refugees rolling, rolling south towards Saigon, 176 00:12:39,363 --> 00:12:46,069 and 160,000 North Vietnamese troops moving right behind them. 177 00:12:49,673 --> 00:12:53,410 I had become so concerned, 178 00:12:53,410 --> 00:12:56,079 I decided to pull our best Vietnamese agents in 179 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:57,748 out of the woodwork 180 00:12:57,748 --> 00:13:00,317 to try to see what they could tell us 181 00:13:00,317 --> 00:13:04,254 about Communist planning, which obviously was rapidly evolving. 182 00:13:04,254 --> 00:13:08,258 On the 8th of April, 183 00:13:08,258 --> 00:13:11,328 I met with one of our best agents, 184 00:13:11,328 --> 00:13:14,831 who said, "The Communists are gonna drive on Saigon. 185 00:13:14,831 --> 00:13:17,301 They're gonna be in there by Ho Chi Minh's birthday," 186 00:13:17,301 --> 00:13:21,438 which was May 19th, literally a month away. 187 00:13:21,438 --> 00:13:23,707 Communist forces in South Vietnam, 188 00:13:23,707 --> 00:13:26,510 already solidly in control of 11 provinces, 189 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:29,946 began working on yet another one today: Binh Dinh. 190 00:13:29,946 --> 00:13:32,916 (explosions) 191 00:13:32,916 --> 00:13:35,185 (gunfire) 192 00:13:38,955 --> 00:13:41,124 KIEM DO: 193 00:14:14,091 --> 00:14:16,159 HERRINGTON: I kept a map every day 194 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:19,162 on the progress of the North Vietnamese onslaught. 195 00:14:19,162 --> 00:14:21,198 By the 5th of April, 196 00:14:21,198 --> 00:14:24,968 the North Vietnamese had 15, even 16 divisions 197 00:14:24,968 --> 00:14:27,003 heading in the direction of Saigon. 198 00:14:27,003 --> 00:14:29,172 They were bringing SA-2 missiles down 199 00:14:29,172 --> 00:14:34,111 to provide anti-aircraft cover for their forces. 200 00:14:34,111 --> 00:14:35,612 There were people who were saying, 201 00:14:35,612 --> 00:14:38,148 "Look, we've gotta do some heavy, heavy planning here 202 00:14:38,148 --> 00:14:39,816 "because depending on how this goes, 203 00:14:39,816 --> 00:14:43,253 and it doesn't look good now, we may all have to evacuate." 204 00:14:43,253 --> 00:14:45,789 And Ambassador Martin 205 00:14:45,789 --> 00:14:48,125 wouldn't tolerate or countenance such thought. 206 00:14:48,125 --> 00:14:49,559 That was defeatism. 207 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:51,561 That was poisonous to the prospects 208 00:14:51,561 --> 00:14:55,132 of the people we're here to help. 209 00:14:55,132 --> 00:15:00,437 But people could see what was going on 210 00:15:00,437 --> 00:15:05,776 and they started leaving, especially the Americans. 211 00:15:05,776 --> 00:15:07,077 I'm leaving Vietnam. 212 00:15:07,077 --> 00:15:08,145 Why? 213 00:15:08,145 --> 00:15:09,846 I'm kind of scared, to be honest with you. 214 00:15:09,846 --> 00:15:11,715 To be perfectly honest with you, I'm really scared. 215 00:15:11,715 --> 00:15:14,818 I think the situation's a lot worse than we know about. 216 00:15:16,987 --> 00:15:21,625 SNEPP: There was always a standing evacuation plan in the embassy. 217 00:15:21,625 --> 00:15:24,027 It held that in an emergency, 218 00:15:24,027 --> 00:15:26,496 all Americans still in the country, 219 00:15:26,496 --> 00:15:31,067 about 6,000 people, would be evacuated 220 00:15:31,067 --> 00:15:37,307 and that no South Vietnamese would be evacuated with them. 221 00:15:39,876 --> 00:15:42,212 BINH PHO: I was a student. 222 00:15:42,212 --> 00:15:43,947 The school's not closing, 223 00:15:43,947 --> 00:15:46,183 but it seemed like nobody's interested in school anymore. 224 00:15:46,183 --> 00:15:49,419 You can't stay here. 225 00:15:49,419 --> 00:15:51,321 You can't live with the Communists, 226 00:15:51,321 --> 00:15:55,625 especially if you have a connection with the Americans. 227 00:15:55,625 --> 00:15:58,328 Then you really gotta get out. 228 00:16:02,966 --> 00:16:07,304 HERRINGTON: If we really made up a list of endangered South Vietnamese, 229 00:16:07,304 --> 00:16:12,943 the ones who really worked closely with us during the war, 230 00:16:12,943 --> 00:16:16,079 this number could be 150,000,200,000. 231 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:20,617 Including their families, many more than that. 232 00:16:20,617 --> 00:16:22,953 But the idea of talking about an evacuation 233 00:16:22,953 --> 00:16:26,823 and of planning for an evacuation of Americans, 234 00:16:26,823 --> 00:16:29,593 let alone an evacuation of Vietnamese, 235 00:16:29,593 --> 00:16:33,797 was still anathema in the embassy. 236 00:16:33,797 --> 00:16:36,166 If you mean, "Is South Vietnam 237 00:16:36,166 --> 00:16:39,536 on the imminent verge of collapse?" 238 00:16:39,536 --> 00:16:42,639 I think the answer is quite definitely no. 239 00:16:42,639 --> 00:16:46,910 STEVE HASTY: We were dealing with an ambassador 240 00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:50,881 who was just convinced that somehow, 241 00:16:50,881 --> 00:16:53,817 he was going to be able to pull this out 242 00:16:53,817 --> 00:16:56,586 and that there wouldn't have to be an evacuation 243 00:16:56,586 --> 00:16:58,655 and therefore, there wouldn't have to be a concern 244 00:16:58,655 --> 00:17:01,191 about evacuating South Vietnamese. 245 00:17:03,860 --> 00:17:09,332 GERALD FORD: The situation in South Vietnam has reached a critical phase 246 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:13,803 requiring immediate and positive decisions by this government. 247 00:17:13,803 --> 00:17:17,641 There are tens of thousands 248 00:17:17,641 --> 00:17:21,745 of South Vietnamese employees of the United States government, 249 00:17:21,745 --> 00:17:24,381 of news agencies, 250 00:17:24,381 --> 00:17:28,451 of contractors and businesses for many years 251 00:17:28,451 --> 00:17:33,156 whose lives, with their dependents, 252 00:17:33,156 --> 00:17:37,794 are in very grave peril. 253 00:17:37,794 --> 00:17:41,831 I'm therefore asking the Congress 254 00:17:41,831 --> 00:17:45,468 to appropriate without delay $722 million 255 00:17:45,468 --> 00:17:50,040 for emergency military assistance for South Vietnam. 256 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,777 If the very worst were to happen, 257 00:17:53,777 --> 00:17:59,816 at least allow the orderly evacuation of Americans 258 00:17:59,816 --> 00:18:05,855 and endangered South Vietnamese to places of safety. 259 00:18:05,855 --> 00:18:08,658 There was no way in 1975 260 00:18:08,658 --> 00:18:10,760 that the Congress was going to vote any money 261 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,830 to go to the aid of South Vietnam. 262 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:16,800 We had pulled out our troops in 1973 263 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,704 and public opinion at that point shifted. 264 00:18:20,704 --> 00:18:24,774 The people of the United States, having seen Watergate, 265 00:18:24,774 --> 00:18:27,877 having seen the deception of the generals, 266 00:18:27,877 --> 00:18:32,482 weren't about to give any help in Southeast Asia. 267 00:18:32,482 --> 00:18:36,019 And you know, Kissinger knew this. 268 00:18:36,019 --> 00:18:39,689 We knew we were not going to get the $722 million. 269 00:18:39,689 --> 00:18:43,760 By that time it made no big difference, 270 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,163 but President Ford said 271 00:18:47,163 --> 00:18:50,100 he owed it to Vietnam to make a request. 272 00:18:50,100 --> 00:18:54,070 We've sent, so to speak, battleship after battleship 273 00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:58,041 and bomber after bomber and 500,000 and more men 274 00:18:58,041 --> 00:19:01,711 and billions and billions of dollars. 275 00:19:01,711 --> 00:19:04,581 If billions and billions didn't do 276 00:19:04,581 --> 00:19:07,350 at a time when we had all our men there, 277 00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:10,353 how can $722 million save the day? 278 00:19:13,523 --> 00:19:17,360 HERRINGTON: This is the way my map looked in mid-April. 279 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:21,398 The North Vietnamese just rolled down the coast. 280 00:19:21,398 --> 00:19:25,135 Saigon was clearly threatened. 281 00:19:25,135 --> 00:19:27,971 The situation was urgent. 282 00:19:27,971 --> 00:19:29,272 Urgent understates it. 283 00:19:31,441 --> 00:19:36,546 SNEPP: At this time, Ambassador Martin had been back in Washington 284 00:19:36,546 --> 00:19:39,249 trying to persuade Congress to vote additional aid. 285 00:19:39,249 --> 00:19:42,385 REPORTER: Do you have anything to say on your arrival? 286 00:19:42,385 --> 00:19:44,587 He has no statement to make. 287 00:19:44,587 --> 00:19:48,158 SNEPP: He came back to Saigon, 288 00:19:48,158 --> 00:19:50,293 and my boss, the CIA station chief, said, 289 00:19:50,293 --> 00:19:52,762 "Go down and tell the old man what's happening." 290 00:19:52,762 --> 00:19:55,098 I went and I said, "Mr. Ambassador, 291 00:19:55,098 --> 00:19:59,202 "half of the South Vietnamese Army has disintegrated. 292 00:19:59,202 --> 00:20:01,371 "We're in grave trouble. 293 00:20:01,371 --> 00:20:04,040 "Please, sir, plan for an evacuation. 294 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,876 "At least allow us to begin putting together 295 00:20:06,876 --> 00:20:09,579 lists of South Vietnamese we should rescue." 296 00:20:09,579 --> 00:20:14,150 And he said, "No, Frank. 297 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:16,619 "It's not so bleak. 298 00:20:16,619 --> 00:20:21,491 And I won't have this negative talk." 299 00:20:21,491 --> 00:20:24,594 Young officers in the embassy 300 00:20:24,594 --> 00:20:28,765 began to mobilize a black operation, 301 00:20:28,765 --> 00:20:34,704 meaning a makeshift underground railway evacuation 302 00:20:34,704 --> 00:20:37,741 using outgoing cargo aircraft 303 00:20:37,741 --> 00:20:42,946 that would be totally below the radar of the Ambassador. 304 00:20:42,946 --> 00:20:45,081 HERRINGTON: People like myself and others 305 00:20:45,081 --> 00:20:49,219 took the bull by the horns and organized an evacuation. 306 00:20:49,219 --> 00:20:52,088 In my case, that meant friends of mine 307 00:20:52,088 --> 00:20:56,159 who were senior officers in the South Vietnamese military. 308 00:20:56,159 --> 00:21:01,197 As the North Vietnamese came closer and closer to Saigon, 309 00:21:01,197 --> 00:21:04,234 these people were dead men walking. 310 00:21:07,537 --> 00:21:09,305 I had arranged a signal 311 00:21:09,305 --> 00:21:11,174 with my intelligence community friends 312 00:21:11,174 --> 00:21:13,376 that if I said, "I'm having a barbecue," 313 00:21:13,376 --> 00:21:16,045 that meant come to a certain pre-designated place 314 00:21:16,045 --> 00:21:18,481 and bring your families and only bring one suitcase 315 00:21:18,481 --> 00:21:20,650 because we're going to have a party. 316 00:21:20,650 --> 00:21:22,685 But it was understood the party meant 317 00:21:22,685 --> 00:21:24,287 I was going to get them out. 318 00:21:27,423 --> 00:21:31,194 Black Ops were essentially violating the rules-- 319 00:21:31,194 --> 00:21:33,062 In this case meaning, 320 00:21:33,062 --> 00:21:36,266 you're not allowed to bring out Vietnamese military people 321 00:21:36,266 --> 00:21:40,570 who were under obligation to stand and fight. 322 00:21:40,570 --> 00:21:43,773 We were fully expecting if we got caught doing this 323 00:21:43,773 --> 00:21:45,475 that we would be run out of country. 324 00:21:45,475 --> 00:21:47,544 End of career, do not pass go. 325 00:21:47,544 --> 00:21:52,916 But sometimes there's an issue not of legal and illegal, 326 00:21:52,916 --> 00:21:54,784 but right or wrong. 327 00:21:56,586 --> 00:22:00,824 SNEPP: The deputy defense attachรฉ moved out Vietnamese personnel 328 00:22:00,824 --> 00:22:05,795 and their families to Clark Air Base in the Philippines 329 00:22:05,795 --> 00:22:07,497 without any approval whatsoever, 330 00:22:07,497 --> 00:22:09,465 without any immigration papers, anything-- 331 00:22:09,465 --> 00:22:12,035 Passports, you name it. 332 00:22:12,035 --> 00:22:14,804 And when they began showing up in the Philippines, 333 00:22:14,804 --> 00:22:17,207 Martin hit the roof and fired him! 334 00:22:17,207 --> 00:22:21,945 But that didn't stop other State Department people 335 00:22:21,945 --> 00:22:26,649 who had Vietnamese friends and family members. 336 00:22:26,649 --> 00:22:30,353 They continued to organize these makeshift airlifts. 337 00:22:41,497 --> 00:22:44,267 TERRY McNAMARA: That April, I was in Can Tho, 338 00:22:44,267 --> 00:22:47,470 which was about 100 miles from Saigon. 339 00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:49,172 And we were getting reports 340 00:22:49,172 --> 00:22:52,775 of this town falling and that province falling and so on. 341 00:22:52,775 --> 00:22:56,713 And then we were attacked. 342 00:22:56,713 --> 00:23:01,818 Sergeant Hasty came by to give me a report on the damage. 343 00:23:01,818 --> 00:23:05,889 Can Tho came under pretty intense artillery bombardment. 344 00:23:05,889 --> 00:23:08,791 The North Vietnamese had overrun 345 00:23:08,791 --> 00:23:13,263 some South Vietnamese artillery batteries 346 00:23:13,263 --> 00:23:21,170 and managed to turn those around and shell the center of Can Tho. 347 00:23:21,170 --> 00:23:25,475 We knew that the situation was bad. 348 00:23:25,475 --> 00:23:31,214 We could see that the South Vietnamese Army was eroding. 349 00:23:31,214 --> 00:23:33,683 Supplies had been cut off 350 00:23:33,683 --> 00:23:36,853 and you could see the armaments dwindling. 351 00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:44,861 McNAMARA: We were, under the terms of the Paris Agreement, 352 00:23:44,861 --> 00:23:48,831 committed to resupplying the South Vietnamese. 353 00:23:48,831 --> 00:23:51,734 They lacked simple things, like barbed wire 354 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,003 and bags for sand bags. 355 00:23:54,003 --> 00:23:56,272 (artillery fire) 356 00:23:56,272 --> 00:23:59,876 They were rationing their artillery shells 357 00:23:59,876 --> 00:24:02,512 because they were running out. 358 00:24:02,512 --> 00:24:04,781 The military support, the material support, 359 00:24:04,781 --> 00:24:06,816 was not coming. 360 00:24:06,816 --> 00:24:11,854 HENRY KISSINGER: When President Ford went before the Congress, 361 00:24:11,854 --> 00:24:17,026 he had two major concerns. 362 00:24:17,026 --> 00:24:23,933 The first was to save as many people as we could. 363 00:24:23,933 --> 00:24:26,536 He cared for the human beings involved; 364 00:24:26,536 --> 00:24:28,604 they were not just pawns 365 00:24:28,604 --> 00:24:33,509 that once they had lost their military power were abandoned. 366 00:24:33,509 --> 00:24:38,581 The second was the honor of America, 367 00:24:38,581 --> 00:24:45,088 that we would not be seen at the final agony of South Vietnam 368 00:24:45,088 --> 00:24:48,658 as having stabbed it in the back. 369 00:24:53,196 --> 00:24:56,332 RON NESSEN: Congress wouldn't pass it. 370 00:24:56,332 --> 00:24:58,768 They said, "No more. 371 00:24:58,768 --> 00:25:03,906 No more troops, no more money, no more aid to the Vietnamese." 372 00:25:03,906 --> 00:25:11,814 Well, I had to go into President Ford's office to tell him. 373 00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:15,051 I had never heard Ford use a curse word 374 00:25:15,051 --> 00:25:16,953 in all the time I'd known him. 375 00:25:16,953 --> 00:25:21,457 But when I showed him this story, he said, 376 00:25:21,457 --> 00:25:23,326 "Those sons of bitches." 377 00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:43,079 I think there were a total of 50 ships that were there. 378 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:45,081 I mean, it wasn't just us; it was a whole bunch of ships. 379 00:25:45,081 --> 00:25:50,653 We were standing by for the evacuation of Americans. 380 00:25:53,756 --> 00:25:56,092 I was a terrible letter writer. 381 00:25:56,092 --> 00:25:58,694 I would write one letter for my wife's ten letters, 382 00:25:58,694 --> 00:26:00,329 and she didn't like that, so she said, 383 00:26:00,329 --> 00:26:02,331 "We're going to exchange tapes." 384 00:26:02,331 --> 00:26:04,400 So I would run into my stateroom, 385 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,502 turn the tape recorder on for a couple of minutes 386 00:26:06,502 --> 00:26:07,870 and tell her what's happening. 387 00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:10,173 DOYLE (on tape): I really don't know where to start. 388 00:26:10,173 --> 00:26:14,010 It's been such an unusual couple days for us. 389 00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:18,948 We went with the rest of this huge task force of ours 390 00:26:18,948 --> 00:26:23,252 up into about, oh, 20 miles off the coast, 391 00:26:23,252 --> 00:26:24,587 basically east of Saigon. 392 00:26:29,025 --> 00:26:33,896 As most Navy operations are, it was very carefully planned. 393 00:26:33,896 --> 00:26:35,498 We planned it to death. 394 00:26:38,067 --> 00:26:41,571 The chain of command, as I understood it 395 00:26:41,571 --> 00:26:44,006 as a captain of the United States Marine Corps, 396 00:26:44,006 --> 00:26:46,909 and I think I got it right, 397 00:26:46,909 --> 00:26:49,278 is that for any evacuation, 398 00:26:49,278 --> 00:26:51,781 that decision is the Ambassador's decision. 399 00:26:51,781 --> 00:26:57,653 Graham Martin is the responsible guy. 400 00:26:57,653 --> 00:26:59,322 But the military is responsible 401 00:26:59,322 --> 00:27:00,890 for giving him all kinds of plans. 402 00:27:00,890 --> 00:27:04,927 And this is how we got into the four options. 403 00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:07,930 The first option was 404 00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:11,134 you would take commercial ships right up the Saigon River 405 00:27:11,134 --> 00:27:13,569 to a couple blocks from the embassy. 406 00:27:13,569 --> 00:27:15,071 You would load whoever you wanted 407 00:27:15,071 --> 00:27:21,277 to bring out on these ships and you'd be done with it. 408 00:27:21,277 --> 00:27:23,012 The second option was, you know, 409 00:27:23,012 --> 00:27:27,116 United and Continental and Flying Tiger Airlines 410 00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:29,852 were still using Tan Son Nhut Air Force Base at the time, 411 00:27:29,852 --> 00:27:32,155 and you could've brought anybody you wanted out 412 00:27:32,155 --> 00:27:36,025 by commercial aviation. 413 00:27:36,025 --> 00:27:38,794 The third option was military fixed-wing aviation-- 414 00:27:38,794 --> 00:27:42,398 The C5As, the C-141s, which carry a lot of people. 415 00:27:42,398 --> 00:27:45,201 You could've brought them out of Tan Son Nhut on those. 416 00:27:48,304 --> 00:27:51,040 The very last option, the very last option, 417 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,875 was helicopters off the carriers 418 00:27:52,875 --> 00:27:55,077 in the Tan Son Nhut Air Force Base. 419 00:27:55,077 --> 00:27:58,714 We had 75 Marine Corps helicopters out there. 420 00:27:58,714 --> 00:28:00,049 The helicopter option, 421 00:28:00,049 --> 00:28:01,984 that was absolutely the last resort. 422 00:28:01,984 --> 00:28:03,519 You know, they don't go very fast, 423 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,454 they don't carry that many people. 424 00:28:05,454 --> 00:28:07,290 That was if everything else failed. 425 00:28:18,167 --> 00:28:23,606 RICHARD ARMITAGE: I got into Vietnam late on the 24th of April, 1975. 426 00:28:23,606 --> 00:28:29,145 Saigon was full of rumor, of false stories, 427 00:28:29,145 --> 00:28:31,714 whether we were going to have a last attempt 428 00:28:31,714 --> 00:28:34,650 to draw a line across the country, 429 00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:37,420 that Saigon and the south would remain a free republic, 430 00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:38,654 all of these things, 431 00:28:38,654 --> 00:28:40,189 and it was all churning all around. 432 00:28:40,189 --> 00:28:44,160 The fighting was close to Saigon 433 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,698 but hadn't shown up in the streets of Saigon. 434 00:28:48,698 --> 00:28:50,900 I served as a naval officer 435 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,436 in three and a half tours in Vietnam, 436 00:28:53,436 --> 00:28:55,905 two of those years as a Special Forces advisor 437 00:28:55,905 --> 00:29:00,409 with a 20-boat River Division, all Vietnamese. 438 00:29:00,409 --> 00:29:04,213 I could tell jokes and hear jokes in Vietnamese. 439 00:29:04,213 --> 00:29:06,082 And once you start off like that, 440 00:29:06,082 --> 00:29:11,220 you eventually end up being able to dream in Vietnamese. 441 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:16,158 In 1975, my mission was to remove or destroy 442 00:29:16,158 --> 00:29:18,461 as many ships, swift boats, 443 00:29:18,461 --> 00:29:22,598 anything that I considered to be a benefit to the enemy. 444 00:29:22,598 --> 00:29:25,501 I met with Captain Do Kiem, 445 00:29:25,501 --> 00:29:29,005 who was the operations officer of the Vietnamese Navy. 446 00:29:45,988 --> 00:29:48,424 ARMITAGE: The plan was to sail 447 00:29:48,424 --> 00:29:51,527 all the large ships of the South Vietnamese Navy 448 00:29:51,527 --> 00:29:54,797 down the Saigon River to the sea 449 00:29:54,797 --> 00:29:58,901 and rendezvous at Con Son Island. 450 00:29:58,901 --> 00:30:01,937 We had to keep this secret. 451 00:30:01,937 --> 00:30:05,508 If word got out, it would have had an effect 452 00:30:05,508 --> 00:30:07,243 on the morale of the people in the street. 453 00:30:13,382 --> 00:30:17,353 JOE McBRIDE: We knew that there were roughly 5,000 Americans 454 00:30:17,353 --> 00:30:20,256 still in the country. 455 00:30:20,256 --> 00:30:24,560 Many of them had Vietnamese wives, mistresses, whatever. 456 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,863 Just hadn't left. 457 00:30:27,863 --> 00:30:29,999 And they were basically letting us know, 458 00:30:29,999 --> 00:30:32,668 "We're not leaving without our families." 459 00:30:32,668 --> 00:30:37,373 Finally, we were given authority by the Ambassador 460 00:30:37,373 --> 00:30:41,043 to bypass the immigration laws 461 00:30:41,043 --> 00:30:43,713 and send these Vietnamese out of the country. 462 00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:48,484 So then we started an operation 463 00:30:48,484 --> 00:30:52,455 basically to get out the Americans 464 00:30:52,455 --> 00:30:54,290 and their Vietnamese dependents. 465 00:30:59,328 --> 00:31:00,963 SNEPP: It was not an official evacuation. 466 00:31:00,963 --> 00:31:05,568 We still had no organized plan 467 00:31:05,568 --> 00:31:09,872 for evacuating high-risk South Vietnamese 468 00:31:09,872 --> 00:31:11,407 because we had an ambassador 469 00:31:11,407 --> 00:31:13,275 who was making up his mind on the wing. 470 00:31:13,275 --> 00:31:15,578 GARRICK UTLEY: The President also asked Congress 471 00:31:15,578 --> 00:31:17,513 for authorization to use American troops here 472 00:31:17,513 --> 00:31:18,848 to evacuate Americans 473 00:31:18,848 --> 00:31:20,449 and Vietnamese who worked for Americans. 474 00:31:20,449 --> 00:31:21,984 If it were necessary. 475 00:31:21,984 --> 00:31:23,552 Do you have plans for that? 476 00:31:23,552 --> 00:31:26,389 Well, of course, every embassy in the world has plans for it. 477 00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:28,124 Do you think it will be necessary? 478 00:31:28,124 --> 00:31:31,394 That again, you see, is a judgment 479 00:31:31,394 --> 00:31:36,298 that I can't possibly make at this time. 480 00:31:36,298 --> 00:31:39,301 We have been reducing the population here 481 00:31:39,301 --> 00:31:41,437 as measure of prudency 482 00:31:41,437 --> 00:31:43,506 and will take measures to reduce it further 483 00:31:43,506 --> 00:31:46,742 as a question of prudence. 484 00:31:46,742 --> 00:31:50,079 The Ambassador was extremely skittish, 485 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:54,049 and I guess understandably so, about talking about evacuation, 486 00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:56,352 about sending signals that an evacuation 487 00:31:56,352 --> 00:31:59,355 was being planned or even executed. 488 00:31:59,355 --> 00:32:02,992 He feared it would trigger a panic. 489 00:32:06,862 --> 00:32:09,331 BINH PHO: It time to get out. 490 00:32:09,331 --> 00:32:14,437 And in Saigon at that time, it was like, "Who do you know?" 491 00:32:14,437 --> 00:32:16,272 The the key word would be "connection." 492 00:32:18,474 --> 00:32:22,344 There's a lot of people, they try to get their money 493 00:32:22,344 --> 00:32:24,780 because if the people have money, 494 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:28,851 maybe they will find a connection to get out. 495 00:32:28,851 --> 00:32:31,487 You know, and so, "You want to go? 496 00:32:31,487 --> 00:32:33,422 Give me this kind of money." 497 00:32:33,422 --> 00:32:36,325 One guy said to me, 498 00:32:36,325 --> 00:32:38,594 "Your family, tell them to come to the boat dock. 499 00:32:38,594 --> 00:32:40,729 I'll be waiting for them." 500 00:32:40,729 --> 00:32:44,667 Of course they took the money, but they never got us. 501 00:32:47,837 --> 00:32:52,007 DAM PHAM: There was chaos in Saigon at that time. 502 00:32:52,007 --> 00:32:57,880 Everybody was looking for ways to get out as soon as possible. 503 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,350 Of course, the Americans we worked with 504 00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:04,086 had a plan in place for us. 505 00:33:04,086 --> 00:33:09,425 They told us to get to the meeting place, 506 00:33:09,425 --> 00:33:16,832 which was a safe house near the American embassy, 507 00:33:16,832 --> 00:33:20,703 and to wait for buses to come to pick us up. 508 00:33:29,979 --> 00:33:31,580 If we were gonna get people out, 509 00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:33,249 we were gonna have to make it happen 510 00:33:33,249 --> 00:33:36,218 and deliver the Vietnamese to the big airplanes 511 00:33:36,218 --> 00:33:39,989 in some form or fashion. 512 00:33:39,989 --> 00:33:41,824 And the only way we could do that 513 00:33:41,824 --> 00:33:45,361 was keeping the airport open as long as we could. 514 00:34:01,510 --> 00:34:05,614 HERRINGTON: Ambassador Martin still hoped that somehow, 515 00:34:05,614 --> 00:34:09,518 this thing would not end with the North Vietnamese 516 00:34:09,518 --> 00:34:14,790 humiliating the United States by attacking Saigon. 517 00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:19,695 But it seemed like the North Vietnamese had other ideas. 518 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,502 (explosions) 519 00:34:31,106 --> 00:34:34,910 (explosions) 520 00:34:42,151 --> 00:34:45,321 What may be the final battle of Saigon has begun. 521 00:34:45,321 --> 00:34:48,190 Communist ground forces have started moving in 522 00:34:48,190 --> 00:34:50,392 on Saigon's Tan Son Nhut Airport. 523 00:34:50,392 --> 00:34:53,028 REPORTER: Rockets exploded all over the base, 524 00:34:53,028 --> 00:34:55,998 touching off three major fires. 525 00:34:57,533 --> 00:34:59,969 HERRINGTON: The air base was under continuous artillery fire. 526 00:34:59,969 --> 00:35:02,037 I felt the rounds. 527 00:35:02,037 --> 00:35:04,673 They were so close, 528 00:35:04,673 --> 00:35:08,177 the shrapnel was plinking against the fence behind us. 529 00:35:08,177 --> 00:35:13,716 It was abundantly clear that it was a whole new ball game. 530 00:35:19,955 --> 00:35:22,958 JUAN VALDEZ: We never expected any trouble out there. 531 00:35:22,958 --> 00:35:27,296 And then, of course, fear a little bit set in 532 00:35:27,296 --> 00:35:30,499 because now we knew that it really meant business, you know? 533 00:35:30,499 --> 00:35:34,236 Were they gonna continue shelling Tan Son Nhut? 534 00:35:34,236 --> 00:35:38,140 They had given us a warning, you know? 535 00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:39,875 "Get out." 536 00:35:42,578 --> 00:35:46,482 HERRINGTON: As the sun came up, General Smith, 537 00:35:46,482 --> 00:35:49,585 who was our defense attachรฉ out at Tan Son Nhut, 538 00:35:49,585 --> 00:35:51,720 contacted the Ambassador and said, 539 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,389 "The plan to use the fixed-wing 540 00:35:53,389 --> 00:35:54,990 "to get a few thousand people out today 541 00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:57,226 "isn't gonna work. 542 00:35:57,226 --> 00:36:00,963 "And we need to consider that this is it. 543 00:36:00,963 --> 00:36:02,364 "Option 4: 544 00:36:02,364 --> 00:36:06,001 a heavy-lift helicopter evacuation." 545 00:36:06,001 --> 00:36:10,773 And Ambassador Martin wouldn't hear of it. 546 00:36:10,773 --> 00:36:12,374 He said, "I want to come out there. 547 00:36:12,374 --> 00:36:14,309 I want to see it," and which he did. 548 00:36:14,309 --> 00:36:16,211 He got in a sedan. 549 00:36:16,211 --> 00:36:17,980 He didn't lack for guts. 550 00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:21,684 There were still rounds coming in-- 551 00:36:21,684 --> 00:36:24,219 Sporadic, but there was still artillery fire. 552 00:36:26,789 --> 00:36:29,858 And he could see that the main runway 553 00:36:29,858 --> 00:36:33,862 was full of craters from North Vietnamese artillery. 554 00:36:33,862 --> 00:36:36,732 And it was understood that General Smith 555 00:36:36,732 --> 00:36:41,236 was not being premature with the recommendation for Option 4. 556 00:36:44,373 --> 00:36:48,444 McBRIDE: Ambassador Martin's concern very clearly up to now 557 00:36:48,444 --> 00:36:52,081 was that once we started an official evacuation, 558 00:36:52,081 --> 00:36:57,586 it's pretty obvious that the game is over. 559 00:36:57,586 --> 00:36:59,755 You've got to remember, this is an ambassador 560 00:36:59,755 --> 00:37:05,094 who had lost his only son in combat in Vietnam. 561 00:37:05,094 --> 00:37:09,398 One becomes pretty invested in that country. 562 00:37:09,398 --> 00:37:12,234 He had been holding out hope 563 00:37:12,234 --> 00:37:16,939 that some kind of third-party solution could be worked out 564 00:37:16,939 --> 00:37:20,309 so that South Vietnam could continue 565 00:37:20,309 --> 00:37:24,913 with some form of independence or autonomy. 566 00:37:24,913 --> 00:37:27,316 And he was being encouraged 567 00:37:27,316 --> 00:37:30,919 to think that this might be possible. 568 00:37:30,919 --> 00:37:33,589 But the morning of the 29th, 569 00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:38,227 he came to accept the fact that that wasn't going to happen. 570 00:37:42,231 --> 00:37:44,366 And I picked up the phone 571 00:37:44,366 --> 00:37:49,138 and told Secretary Kissinger to inform the President 572 00:37:49,138 --> 00:37:52,574 that I had decided we would have to go to Option 4. 573 00:37:55,077 --> 00:37:59,381 HENRY KISSINGER: When I tell President Ford the airport is being shelled 574 00:37:59,381 --> 00:38:03,485 and that it's now time to pull the plug, 575 00:38:03,485 --> 00:38:06,655 he keeps coming back time and again, 576 00:38:06,655 --> 00:38:09,191 "You really think we have to do it?" 577 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,164 That's how heartbreaking it was for him. 578 00:38:15,164 --> 00:38:21,670 He finally reluctantly gave the go-ahead 579 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:24,072 for the final evacuation. 580 00:38:27,276 --> 00:38:31,680 RADIO DJ: This is the American Forces Vietnam Network. 581 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,684 SNEPP: The prearranged signal for the evacuation 582 00:38:35,684 --> 00:38:39,121 was broadcast on American radio in Saigon. 583 00:38:39,121 --> 00:38:41,089 The message was, 584 00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:44,459 "The temperature is 105 and rising," 585 00:38:44,459 --> 00:38:49,131 and then Bing Crosby's "White Christmas." 586 00:38:49,131 --> 00:38:52,634 And sure enough, about 10:00 in the morning, 587 00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:55,270 I believe, on the 29th, 588 00:38:55,270 --> 00:39:00,142 there was Bing Crosby on the airwaves. 589 00:39:00,142 --> 00:39:09,551 CROSBY: " I'm dreaming of a white Christmas" 590 00:39:09,551 --> 00:39:19,828 "Just like the ones I used to know" 591 00:39:19,828 --> 00:39:30,572 "Where the treetops glisten and children listen" 592 00:39:30,572 --> 00:39:37,913 "To hear sleigh bells in the snow..." 593 00:39:37,913 --> 00:39:40,148 HERRINGTON: That morning, Ambassador Martin 594 00:39:40,148 --> 00:39:43,719 received a message that said within 24 hours, 595 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,889 the U.S. presence in Vietnam had to be closed out, 596 00:39:46,889 --> 00:39:50,025 meaning we had to be gone. 597 00:39:50,025 --> 00:39:53,662 It was obvious that there was the need 598 00:39:53,662 --> 00:39:57,532 for a hasty plan to be developed 599 00:39:57,532 --> 00:40:01,670 for a helicopter airlift out of the embassy to the fleet. 600 00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:05,707 And we had less than 24 hours to pull it off. 601 00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:09,244 McBRIDE: That morning, there must have been, I would guess, 602 00:40:09,244 --> 00:40:14,249 at least 10,000 people literally ringing the embassy. 603 00:40:14,249 --> 00:40:18,587 The embassy compound was the size of a city block. 604 00:40:18,587 --> 00:40:20,155 It was big. 605 00:40:20,155 --> 00:40:25,594 And all sides of it were filled 200,300 feet back. 606 00:40:25,594 --> 00:40:29,531 Fortunately, people were by and large very controlled. 607 00:40:29,531 --> 00:40:33,001 They were very patient. 608 00:40:33,001 --> 00:40:37,172 They were just hoping desperately to get in. 609 00:40:37,172 --> 00:40:40,609 PHO: It's like the whole of Saigon 610 00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:44,446 want to get inside the American embassy. 611 00:40:44,446 --> 00:40:47,482 So you have to know somebody, you know? 612 00:40:47,482 --> 00:40:51,653 If you're like me, I find my friend 613 00:40:51,653 --> 00:40:56,325 and got a little paper to ensure us to get in. 614 00:40:56,325 --> 00:40:59,127 So several of us went to the embassy. 615 00:40:59,127 --> 00:41:01,263 Then my friend, he showed the paper to the guard, 616 00:41:01,263 --> 00:41:04,499 and he's just kind of pointing at each one of us, 617 00:41:04,499 --> 00:41:08,070 and we, one by one, could go inside of the embassy. 618 00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:12,541 When I first got in, I feel so good. 619 00:41:12,541 --> 00:41:16,511 "I'm in America-- I'm almost there." 620 00:41:16,511 --> 00:41:19,648 They have a courtyard and a swimming pool, 621 00:41:19,648 --> 00:41:23,251 and we mostly gather around the swimming pool. 622 00:41:23,251 --> 00:41:28,256 And 1,000 people there, and they just keep coming in. 623 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,665 SNEPP: That morning, CIA choppers began picking up evacuees 624 00:41:36,665 --> 00:41:39,401 off the roofs of buildings around the city 625 00:41:39,401 --> 00:41:42,270 and bringing them to the embassy. 626 00:41:44,906 --> 00:41:49,411 There was an old pilot named O.B. Harnage. 627 00:41:49,411 --> 00:41:53,615 He was blind in one eye and lame in one leg. 628 00:41:53,615 --> 00:41:58,854 And I said, "Harnage, we got people at 6 Gia Long. 629 00:41:58,854 --> 00:42:02,624 You gotta go pick them up." 630 00:42:02,624 --> 00:42:09,231 It was the deputy CIA station chief's apartment building. 631 00:42:09,231 --> 00:42:13,068 There were a number of very high-risk Vietnamese, 632 00:42:13,068 --> 00:42:16,271 including the defense minister of South Vietnam, 633 00:42:16,271 --> 00:42:19,541 all waiting to be rescued. 634 00:42:19,541 --> 00:42:23,612 As they climbed up the ladder to the roof, 635 00:42:23,612 --> 00:42:27,349 a photographer took that famous photograph. 636 00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:30,552 Many people thought that was the U.S. embassy. 637 00:42:30,552 --> 00:42:32,187 It wasn't. 638 00:42:32,187 --> 00:42:36,124 But it indicated to what extent chaos had descended 639 00:42:36,124 --> 00:42:38,627 on this entire operation. 640 00:42:44,299 --> 00:42:45,967 HERRINGTON: Inside the embassy, 641 00:42:45,967 --> 00:42:49,805 everywhere we looked was teeming with Vietnamese. 642 00:42:49,805 --> 00:42:52,474 We counted them, and the total number 643 00:42:52,474 --> 00:42:55,944 was about 2,800. 644 00:42:55,944 --> 00:42:58,747 There was no hiding it that somehow, 645 00:42:58,747 --> 00:43:01,216 people had to have let these people into the embassy. 646 00:43:01,216 --> 00:43:03,385 Was it, you know, 647 00:43:03,385 --> 00:43:06,455 Marine security guards who kind of looked the other way? 648 00:43:06,455 --> 00:43:09,224 Was it American employees in the embassy 649 00:43:09,224 --> 00:43:11,927 who were doing kind of what we did with black ops 650 00:43:11,927 --> 00:43:14,729 and taking care of their own? 651 00:43:14,729 --> 00:43:17,132 We never got to the bottom of that 652 00:43:17,132 --> 00:43:21,236 and frankly, we never pursued it. 653 00:43:21,236 --> 00:43:22,771 One of the Marines said to me, 654 00:43:22,771 --> 00:43:24,272 "You know, we should take out the tailor." 655 00:43:24,272 --> 00:43:29,211 There was a tailor who made all our civilian clothes. 656 00:43:29,211 --> 00:43:31,079 So I said, 657 00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,014 "Why don't we take out the cook too?" 658 00:43:33,014 --> 00:43:34,950 He said, "Well, you should take out the cook too, 659 00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:36,284 "and all the other cooks. 660 00:43:36,284 --> 00:43:37,786 "They should get out. 661 00:43:37,786 --> 00:43:39,988 They had business with Americans." 662 00:43:39,988 --> 00:43:41,990 So they took the bread truck 663 00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:45,460 and they rounded up the tailor, the cooks and the dishwashers, 664 00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:47,562 a few others and their families, 665 00:43:47,562 --> 00:43:51,566 and drove them into the embassy compound. 666 00:43:56,438 --> 00:43:59,407 SNEPP: There was in the parking lot of the embassy 667 00:43:59,407 --> 00:44:02,010 a great tamarind tree, 668 00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:04,980 which the Ambassador had often referred to 669 00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:10,385 as "steadfast as the American commitment in Vietnam." 670 00:44:10,385 --> 00:44:12,754 The CIA station chief that last morning said, 671 00:44:12,754 --> 00:44:14,956 "Mr. Ambassador, we have to cut this tree down." 672 00:44:17,926 --> 00:44:21,930 VALDEZ: You could not land any large helicopters on the parking lot 673 00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:26,501 unless the tree and all the shrubbery was all gone. 674 00:44:26,501 --> 00:44:30,972 The Ambassador had resisted us cutting that tree 675 00:44:30,972 --> 00:44:35,277 because he did not want anybody to be alerted 676 00:44:35,277 --> 00:44:37,779 that we were doing any sort of evacuation 677 00:44:37,779 --> 00:44:39,447 or were going to do any sort of evacuation. 678 00:44:43,018 --> 00:44:45,720 SULLIVAN: He was upset. 679 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:49,925 But finally he succumbed, you know, to just common sense 680 00:44:49,925 --> 00:44:51,793 and gave up his, uh... 681 00:44:51,793 --> 00:44:53,662 I guess you could call it a dream. 682 00:44:53,662 --> 00:44:55,864 And we cut it down. 683 00:44:55,864 --> 00:44:57,732 (chainsaws buzzing) 684 00:45:01,002 --> 00:45:03,738 SNEPP: He had also, for the past few days, 685 00:45:03,738 --> 00:45:06,942 prevented us from burning classified documents 686 00:45:06,942 --> 00:45:10,245 for fear that it would panic the South Vietnamese. 687 00:45:10,245 --> 00:45:13,181 So that morning of the 29th, 688 00:45:13,181 --> 00:45:17,285 we had thousands of pages of classified documents 689 00:45:17,285 --> 00:45:21,990 we had failed to destroy beforehand. 690 00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:25,227 Our next job was just looking at that classified document idea 691 00:45:25,227 --> 00:45:26,828 and getting rid of that. 692 00:45:26,828 --> 00:45:29,431 So we went to every office 693 00:45:29,431 --> 00:45:31,933 and told them to start pulling stuff, 694 00:45:31,933 --> 00:45:35,604 and piles and piles of paper began coming out. 695 00:45:35,604 --> 00:45:38,173 And we began shredding. 696 00:45:43,812 --> 00:45:48,617 There was a small building where we handled the pay 697 00:45:48,617 --> 00:45:52,687 for the Vietnamese who worked for the embassy. 698 00:45:52,687 --> 00:45:54,489 And in this building, 699 00:45:54,489 --> 00:45:57,392 there was over $1 million in U.S. currency. 700 00:45:57,392 --> 00:46:02,063 So we had to send a message to the Navy, 701 00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:03,698 who sent it to the Treasury Department, 702 00:46:03,698 --> 00:46:05,333 who came back and said, "Destroy it." 703 00:46:05,333 --> 00:46:10,872 So I assigned a few Marines to get rid of the money. 704 00:46:10,872 --> 00:46:14,042 And I said, "Oh, by the way, we're gonna lock you in there." 705 00:46:14,042 --> 00:46:16,478 It took them eight hours to burn a million dollars. 706 00:46:18,813 --> 00:46:21,283 ARMITAGE: That morning, 707 00:46:21,283 --> 00:46:25,320 fear and desperation were the order of the day. 708 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,855 But I had a job to do, 709 00:46:26,855 --> 00:46:29,157 and it was an important job to do, I thought, 710 00:46:29,157 --> 00:46:32,761 to deny the enemy the South Vietnamese Naval ships. 711 00:46:59,154 --> 00:47:01,156 ARMITAGE: We had expected, frankly, 712 00:47:01,156 --> 00:47:03,792 a longer time period to get ready. 713 00:47:03,792 --> 00:47:06,861 We had been told by people in our intelligence community 714 00:47:06,861 --> 00:47:08,897 that we might have as long as the 4th of May, 715 00:47:08,897 --> 00:47:13,368 but the North Vietnamese were closing in quite tightly, 716 00:47:13,368 --> 00:47:16,338 and clearly it was time to send the signal to leave. 717 00:47:41,996 --> 00:47:44,799 ARMITAGE: I knew this, 718 00:47:44,799 --> 00:47:46,935 but I didn't know how many civilians 719 00:47:46,935 --> 00:47:48,470 were gonna be on board. 720 00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:50,505 I had no idea. 721 00:47:52,374 --> 00:47:54,242 KIEM DO: 722 00:48:33,214 --> 00:48:36,751 GERALD BERRY: I was the first one into the embassy. 723 00:48:36,751 --> 00:48:39,187 And my only mission at this time, 724 00:48:39,187 --> 00:48:41,322 this is early in the afternoon, was to bring the Ambassador out. 725 00:48:41,322 --> 00:48:45,393 It was actually a mission that was called "Embassy Snatch." 726 00:48:45,393 --> 00:48:48,530 I was just supposed to get the Ambassador. 727 00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:50,698 I land and I said to the people, 728 00:48:50,698 --> 00:48:54,169 I said, "I'm here to get the Ambassador." 729 00:48:54,169 --> 00:48:56,371 Well, not quite. 730 00:48:56,371 --> 00:49:01,142 SNEPP: The Ambassador refused to leave until he could get 731 00:49:01,142 --> 00:49:06,047 as many Vietnamese on as many choppers as possible. 732 00:49:06,047 --> 00:49:10,351 The evacuation of Vietnamese happened 733 00:49:10,351 --> 00:49:13,955 because Graham Martin wanted it to happen. 734 00:49:24,432 --> 00:49:29,204 BERRY: So they loaded some Vietnamese onto my helicopter 735 00:49:29,204 --> 00:49:31,039 and because I'm supposed to have the Ambassador on board, 736 00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:32,707 we go right to the command ship, the USS Blue Ridge. 737 00:49:35,944 --> 00:49:39,481 We land on the Blue Ridge, General Carey comes out, 738 00:49:39,481 --> 00:49:41,316 wants to know where the Ambassador is. 739 00:49:41,316 --> 00:49:43,117 I said, "Well, he didn't get on." 740 00:49:43,117 --> 00:49:44,986 I mean, I don't know who I'm supposed to tell, 741 00:49:44,986 --> 00:49:46,888 but I told everybody I was supposed to get the Ambassador 742 00:49:46,888 --> 00:49:48,256 but the Ambassador didn't get on. 743 00:49:48,256 --> 00:49:50,124 So that starts the lift. 744 00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:57,198 Like I say, we had 75 Marine Corps helicopters. 745 00:49:57,198 --> 00:50:00,101 You and your wingman would fly into the embassy, 746 00:50:00,101 --> 00:50:03,104 get your passengers loaded, 747 00:50:03,104 --> 00:50:06,007 and fly back out to the ships. 748 00:50:14,482 --> 00:50:17,252 It was a little over an hour back and forth. 749 00:50:32,066 --> 00:50:34,736 PAUL JACOBS: On the USS Kirk, our mission was 750 00:50:34,736 --> 00:50:36,571 to protect the helicopters moving 751 00:50:36,571 --> 00:50:38,740 from the embassy out to the aircraft carriers 752 00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:40,775 and back and forth. 753 00:50:40,775 --> 00:50:42,644 We were very close to the action. 754 00:50:45,847 --> 00:50:48,249 HUGH DOYLE: You could stand there on the deck 755 00:50:48,249 --> 00:50:51,319 and you could watch it all happening. 756 00:50:51,319 --> 00:50:53,988 We thought that the USS Kirk was just going to be 757 00:50:53,988 --> 00:50:57,292 an observer to this whole thing 758 00:50:57,292 --> 00:50:58,626 and when all of a sudden 759 00:50:58,626 --> 00:51:01,095 on radar we started seeing these little blips 760 00:51:01,095 --> 00:51:03,598 coming out from the shore. 761 00:51:03,598 --> 00:51:05,867 MAN: I really don't know where to start. 762 00:51:05,867 --> 00:51:08,136 We looked up at the horizon and all you could see 763 00:51:08,136 --> 00:51:11,906 were helicopters all heading toward us. 764 00:51:11,906 --> 00:51:14,242 DOYLE: These were not Marine Corps helicopters. 765 00:51:14,242 --> 00:51:17,245 They were small helicopters, the little Hueys, 766 00:51:17,245 --> 00:51:21,015 which were never part of the evacuation plan. 767 00:51:21,015 --> 00:51:23,518 But they were flying over top of us. 768 00:51:23,518 --> 00:51:24,552 We were watching them fly 769 00:51:24,552 --> 00:51:27,155 over top over and over and over again. 770 00:51:30,491 --> 00:51:34,362 JACOBS: We viewed them as enemy until we could verify who it was. 771 00:51:36,664 --> 00:51:39,000 Then we realized that these 772 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,171 were South Vietnamese trying to escape. 773 00:51:43,171 --> 00:51:44,606 I figured if we could save one, 774 00:51:44,606 --> 00:51:47,709 at least we'd save 15, 20 people. 775 00:51:47,709 --> 00:51:52,580 They were packed in there like sardines. 776 00:51:52,580 --> 00:51:54,716 So I made the decision. 777 00:51:54,716 --> 00:51:57,952 Land the helicopter. 778 00:51:57,952 --> 00:52:00,722 DOYLE: One of our sailors could speak rudimentary Vietnamese. 779 00:52:00,722 --> 00:52:03,925 So we put him on the radio and he started broadcasting. 780 00:52:03,925 --> 00:52:05,693 "This is ship 1087. 781 00:52:05,693 --> 00:52:09,497 Land here." 782 00:52:09,497 --> 00:52:12,166 So, we got his attention. 783 00:52:12,166 --> 00:52:15,770 He came flying over and landed on our flight deck. 784 00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:18,773 And it turned out that the pilot, he was the pilot 785 00:52:18,773 --> 00:52:22,410 for the deputy chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 786 00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:24,579 Real high up. 787 00:52:24,579 --> 00:52:27,882 And he had the general with him, who was a two-star general, 788 00:52:27,882 --> 00:52:31,552 and the two-star general's nephew, three women, 789 00:52:31,552 --> 00:52:33,955 and about four children. 790 00:52:33,955 --> 00:52:37,158 It was a big deal for us. 791 00:52:37,158 --> 00:52:39,193 When it landed, we got everything off. 792 00:52:39,193 --> 00:52:41,129 And I looked up because there were five, six, 793 00:52:41,129 --> 00:52:44,699 seven stacked up ready to land. 794 00:52:44,699 --> 00:52:47,935 DOYLE: Turned out all throughout the southern part of Vietnam 795 00:52:47,935 --> 00:52:52,240 there were South Vietnamese Army and Air Force installations 796 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,475 with one or two or three or four helicopters. 797 00:52:54,475 --> 00:52:57,378 And those helicopters were flyable. 798 00:52:57,378 --> 00:52:59,514 Their pilots were there. 799 00:52:59,514 --> 00:53:02,583 And when they realized that the evacuation was happening 800 00:53:02,583 --> 00:53:04,852 and they weren't going to be part of it, they said, 801 00:53:04,852 --> 00:53:07,488 "Oh yeah, we are." 802 00:53:07,488 --> 00:53:10,958 JACOBS: These young Vietnamese pilots would go to their homes, 803 00:53:10,958 --> 00:53:14,395 land right in their front yards, pick up their families 804 00:53:14,395 --> 00:53:16,698 and anybody else, and head out to sea, 805 00:53:16,698 --> 00:53:18,499 hoping they can rendezvous with a ship. 806 00:53:18,499 --> 00:53:22,203 Well, we're one of the first ships they saw. 807 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,642 DOYLE: Our flight deck will only take 808 00:53:27,642 --> 00:53:29,610 one helicopter at a time landing. 809 00:53:29,610 --> 00:53:31,112 There are no wheels on them. 810 00:53:31,112 --> 00:53:32,613 They just have skids. 811 00:53:32,613 --> 00:53:34,882 We couldn't think of what else to do and these other planes 812 00:53:34,882 --> 00:53:36,617 were looking for a place to land 813 00:53:36,617 --> 00:53:39,854 so we just physically pushed them. 814 00:53:39,854 --> 00:53:42,190 Of course, this was a big old helicopter, thousands of pounds, 815 00:53:42,190 --> 00:53:44,859 so we had to figure out how to get it 15 feet over 816 00:53:44,859 --> 00:53:46,594 to the edge of the flight deck. 817 00:53:50,665 --> 00:53:52,266 You don't have time to think about what you did, 818 00:53:52,266 --> 00:53:53,267 you just had to do it. 819 00:53:54,535 --> 00:53:57,872 So, we open up our flight deck and they begin to land, 820 00:53:57,872 --> 00:54:01,342 one right after the other. 821 00:54:01,342 --> 00:54:04,278 Some of them were shot at, holes in them. 822 00:54:07,515 --> 00:54:10,518 DOYLE: Most of the Vietnamese who came out, I'm talking 823 00:54:10,518 --> 00:54:14,055 about the flight crews, they were heavily armed, 824 00:54:14,055 --> 00:54:16,624 all with side arms, some with M-16 rifles. 825 00:54:16,624 --> 00:54:20,061 They had no idea what was going to happen so they came out 826 00:54:20,061 --> 00:54:22,897 ready for anything, really. 827 00:54:22,897 --> 00:54:25,767 So we had to disarm them. 828 00:54:30,304 --> 00:54:32,473 None of them had ever landed on a ship before. 829 00:54:32,473 --> 00:54:33,941 They were Vietnamese Air Force. 830 00:54:33,941 --> 00:54:36,778 Everybody had a gun and we took all the guns away from them. 831 00:54:36,778 --> 00:54:39,080 Then about five minutes later another one came in and landed. 832 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,250 And we pushed his airplane over the side. 833 00:54:45,052 --> 00:54:47,388 That was the second one. 834 00:54:47,388 --> 00:54:50,158 I helped push that one over, too. 835 00:54:50,158 --> 00:54:51,726 Then the third plane came in. 836 00:54:51,726 --> 00:54:53,027 It landed also. 837 00:54:53,027 --> 00:54:54,529 We pushed it over the side. 838 00:54:54,529 --> 00:54:57,799 So meanwhile, we've thrown three helicopters in the water so far. 839 00:54:57,799 --> 00:54:59,167 This is incredible. 840 00:54:59,167 --> 00:55:01,803 I know you probably don't believe any of this, 841 00:55:01,803 --> 00:55:02,970 but it's all true. 842 00:55:16,818 --> 00:55:18,753 HERRINGTON: By late afternoon, 843 00:55:18,753 --> 00:55:21,756 the chopper flow at the embassy really started. 844 00:55:25,126 --> 00:55:26,694 And each time a bird came in, 845 00:55:26,694 --> 00:55:28,796 here would go another 40, 50 people. 846 00:55:28,796 --> 00:55:33,634 But did the right mix of people get out? 847 00:55:35,369 --> 00:55:37,738 You know, who says that these were the people 848 00:55:37,738 --> 00:55:40,107 who either deserved or should have gone out? 849 00:55:40,107 --> 00:55:43,978 At the embassy a lot of the people who got out 850 00:55:43,978 --> 00:55:47,014 happened to be good wall jumpers. 851 00:55:49,283 --> 00:55:52,486 VALDEZ: The choppers started coming in at ten-minute intervals. 852 00:55:52,486 --> 00:55:53,821 One would land on the roof 853 00:55:53,821 --> 00:55:57,258 and one would land on the parking lot. 854 00:55:57,258 --> 00:55:59,894 They would put all the Vietnamese in groups, 855 00:55:59,894 --> 00:56:02,096 they would search them, and if they had any weapons 856 00:56:02,096 --> 00:56:05,600 all those weapons were thrown into the swimming pool. 857 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,203 And as soon as the chopper would land they would be brought 858 00:56:09,203 --> 00:56:13,808 into the restricted area where a couple of the Marines 859 00:56:13,808 --> 00:56:15,977 would escort them into the aircraft. 860 00:56:19,547 --> 00:56:24,652 Then they would raise the ramp up and take off. 861 00:56:29,457 --> 00:56:31,692 BINH PHO: I remember I talked to my friend 862 00:56:31,692 --> 00:56:33,761 and he said, "Oh, it's our turn now. 863 00:56:33,761 --> 00:56:34,896 We're almost there." 864 00:56:34,896 --> 00:56:36,297 You know, so we're all excited. 865 00:56:38,466 --> 00:56:40,334 And I remember very distinctively that every time 866 00:56:40,334 --> 00:56:42,470 the helicopter coming down it just blew us away. 867 00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:43,938 We have to kind of duck down 868 00:56:43,938 --> 00:56:46,807 to fight with the wind of the chopper. 869 00:56:53,147 --> 00:56:56,317 HERRINGTON: Three of the choppers that came in each landed a platoon 870 00:56:56,317 --> 00:56:58,886 of 40 Marines from the task force. 871 00:56:58,886 --> 00:57:01,856 And they had to be brought in because we didn't have enough 872 00:57:01,856 --> 00:57:06,060 Marines in the embassy security guard to secure the walls. 873 00:57:11,299 --> 00:57:15,503 PHAM: I went with my wife to the embassy. 874 00:57:17,071 --> 00:57:23,277 A lot of people, they clenched to the top of the wall, 875 00:57:23,277 --> 00:57:24,478 but they couldn't get in. 876 00:57:34,188 --> 00:57:38,659 HERRINGTON: Each gate was besieged like that, 877 00:57:38,659 --> 00:57:43,230 although the side gate was the principal place where they came. 878 00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:46,100 People holding letters saying, 879 00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:47,668 you know, "I worked for the Americans. 880 00:57:47,668 --> 00:57:48,703 Please let me in." 881 00:57:52,673 --> 00:57:56,677 Journalists were arriving and counting on being recognized 882 00:57:56,677 --> 00:57:58,546 to be let in by the Marines. 883 00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:12,126 There was a sea of people 884 00:58:12,126 --> 00:58:16,530 wanting to get out by helicopters. 885 00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:22,970 But, well, they looked up at the helicopters leaving 886 00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:26,974 and I could see their eyes. 887 00:58:26,974 --> 00:58:28,843 Desperate eyes. 888 00:58:40,054 --> 00:58:42,023 MIKI NGUYEN: My dad flew a Chinook helicopter 889 00:58:42,023 --> 00:58:45,393 in the South Vietnamese Air Force. 890 00:58:45,393 --> 00:58:49,296 He had been waiting for orders but his captain had, 891 00:58:49,296 --> 00:58:52,099 you know, basically just left. 892 00:58:52,099 --> 00:58:54,935 So he and some other pilots 893 00:58:54,935 --> 00:58:58,806 picked out the best Chinooks and took off. 894 00:59:03,477 --> 00:59:06,347 He said it was the Wild West at this point. 895 00:59:09,116 --> 00:59:12,520 Just you and your horse and you just do what you had to do 896 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,122 to survive and take care of your family. 897 00:59:15,122 --> 00:59:18,259 He had given my mom a heads-up 898 00:59:18,259 --> 00:59:23,364 that if she did hear a Chinook coming, to get ready. 899 00:59:23,364 --> 00:59:26,333 I was six and a half years old. 900 00:59:26,333 --> 00:59:28,202 I can still hear the rumbling, 901 00:59:28,202 --> 00:59:32,406 a very, you know, familiar rumbling of a Chinook. 902 00:59:32,406 --> 00:59:34,442 When you hear the Chinook coming, you know it's coming. 903 00:59:34,442 --> 00:59:35,543 I knew my dad was coming. 904 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,649 In Saigon, during my childhood, 905 00:59:41,649 --> 00:59:46,520 it was like, say, living in the middle of busy L.A. 906 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:51,258 So, there's really not a big area to land the Chinook. 907 00:59:51,258 --> 00:59:57,798 So he came in and landed in a play field. 908 00:59:57,798 --> 01:00:01,635 Caused a lot of wind, caused a lot of commotion. 909 01:00:01,635 --> 01:00:04,705 My mom grabbed my little sister, 910 01:00:04,705 --> 01:00:07,007 who was about six months at that time, 911 01:00:07,007 --> 01:00:08,909 and I have a little brother who was 912 01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:11,779 about three or four years old, and myself. 913 01:00:11,779 --> 01:00:18,252 We quickly ran into the Chinook and we all flew off 914 01:00:18,252 --> 01:00:22,123 out into the Pacific Ocean. 915 01:00:24,158 --> 01:00:27,661 My dad was afraid for not having enough fuel, 916 01:00:27,661 --> 01:00:30,865 afraid for a lot of things. 917 01:00:30,865 --> 01:00:33,234 He was just flying blind. 918 01:00:33,234 --> 01:00:36,103 And then he saw a ship out there. 919 01:00:38,405 --> 01:00:41,408 DOYLE: In the middle of the day, after we had taken 920 01:00:41,408 --> 01:00:43,878 those first helicopters aboard, 921 01:00:43,878 --> 01:00:47,114 this huge helicopter called a Chinook, 922 01:00:47,114 --> 01:00:49,917 it came out and tried to land on the ship. 923 01:00:49,917 --> 01:00:52,686 And oh, we almost... the thing almost crashed on board our ship. 924 01:00:52,686 --> 01:00:54,688 JACOBS: This big Chinook showed up. 925 01:00:54,688 --> 01:00:58,459 There's no way he could land 926 01:00:58,459 --> 01:01:00,027 on Kirk without impacting the ship. 927 01:01:00,027 --> 01:01:04,131 He would have killed everybody on this helicopter plus my crew. 928 01:01:04,131 --> 01:01:07,434 DOYLE: It was way too big to land. 929 01:01:07,434 --> 01:01:11,138 We thought that the helicopter would just fly away. 930 01:01:11,138 --> 01:01:14,575 But as the ship was moving forward probably four, five, 931 01:01:14,575 --> 01:01:17,411 six knots, something like that, the pilot communicated 932 01:01:17,411 --> 01:01:19,880 that he was running low on fuel. 933 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,751 JACOBS: He opened up the port side of the helicopter and he hovered 934 01:01:23,751 --> 01:01:25,986 across the stern of the Kirk. 935 01:01:25,986 --> 01:01:29,423 Then, all of a sudden, here comes a human. 936 01:01:31,492 --> 01:01:34,228 NGUYEN: One by one, we jump out. 937 01:01:34,228 --> 01:01:36,230 I jumped out, my brother jumped out. 938 01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:42,836 My mom was holding my sister, obviously very scared. 939 01:01:42,836 --> 01:01:48,342 And she just, you know, just trustingly, just with one hand, 940 01:01:48,342 --> 01:01:52,079 with her right hand, holding on with her left to brace herself, 941 01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:56,584 you know, just dropped my baby sister. 942 01:01:56,584 --> 01:01:59,720 DOYLE: One fella is standing there and he said he looked up 943 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,189 and he saw this big bundle of stuff come flying out 944 01:02:02,189 --> 01:02:03,724 and it was a baby. 945 01:02:03,724 --> 01:02:04,959 It was the one-year-old baby. 946 01:02:07,995 --> 01:02:12,333 And then the mother jumped out and he caught her, too. 947 01:02:12,333 --> 01:02:17,471 Then the pilot flew out on our starboard, right side. 948 01:02:17,471 --> 01:02:22,610 He hovered with his wheels in and out of the water. 949 01:02:22,610 --> 01:02:24,678 He hovered there for like ten minutes and we couldn't 950 01:02:24,678 --> 01:02:26,380 figure out what he was doing and it turned out 951 01:02:26,380 --> 01:02:28,549 what he was doing was taking his flight suit off. 952 01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:32,920 Here's a man flying a twin rotor helicopter by himself, 953 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,590 and at the same time he's taking off a flight suit. 954 01:02:36,590 --> 01:02:38,659 How you do it, I've talked to helicopter pilots 955 01:02:38,659 --> 01:02:41,228 and they can't figure out how he did that, you know, how... 956 01:02:41,228 --> 01:02:43,364 like a Houdini, trying to get out of this thing. 957 01:02:43,364 --> 01:02:46,433 And finally, he made the helicopter roll to the right 958 01:02:46,433 --> 01:02:51,238 as he stepped out the door on the left. 959 01:02:51,238 --> 01:02:55,009 (loud crash) 960 01:02:55,009 --> 01:02:58,112 NGUYEN: Just thunderous loud noise. 961 01:02:58,112 --> 01:03:03,884 The shrapnel is just blowing up. 962 01:03:03,884 --> 01:03:05,185 And suddenly just quiet. 963 01:03:08,622 --> 01:03:09,890 And he pops up. 964 01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:11,225 And he's alive. 965 01:03:11,225 --> 01:03:14,194 (applause) 966 01:03:14,194 --> 01:03:16,664 DOYLE: And he swam away. 967 01:03:16,664 --> 01:03:18,365 And the helicopter was only about 20 feet from him 968 01:03:18,365 --> 01:03:19,967 when it hit the water; it was amazing. 969 01:03:19,967 --> 01:03:22,770 (cheers and applause) 970 01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:24,238 We went out and picked him up. 971 01:03:24,238 --> 01:03:25,873 He was none, no worse for the wear. 972 01:03:25,873 --> 01:03:27,875 He was a little bit wet. 973 01:03:27,875 --> 01:03:31,145 Only one unfortunate thing is he had some small bars of gold, 974 01:03:31,145 --> 01:03:33,047 which was all his worldly possessions, 975 01:03:33,047 --> 01:03:36,450 that were in his shirt pocket and it sank. 976 01:03:36,450 --> 01:03:37,851 So he lost everything. 977 01:03:37,851 --> 01:03:39,520 He didn't own a thing but his underwear 978 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,323 when he finally came aboard the ship. 979 01:03:42,323 --> 01:03:46,293 He was a tremendous pilot. 980 01:03:46,293 --> 01:03:49,997 The guy was just so cool and calm. 981 01:03:49,997 --> 01:03:55,202 We've so far taken a total of 17 helicopters. 982 01:03:55,202 --> 01:03:58,472 We ended up with 157 people aboard this ship. 983 01:04:05,746 --> 01:04:08,082 JACOBS: And that crew was very special. 984 01:04:08,082 --> 01:04:11,118 They went, they took their money, went to the Navy exchange 985 01:04:11,118 --> 01:04:14,555 and commissary, bought all the clothes and food they could get, 986 01:04:14,555 --> 01:04:17,691 took it up and gave it to the refugees they had befriended. 987 01:04:17,691 --> 01:04:20,561 They were unbelievable. 988 01:04:22,696 --> 01:04:26,200 DOYLE: We laid mats and all kinds of blankets and stuff out 989 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,735 on the deck for the babies. 990 01:04:27,735 --> 01:04:29,636 And there were all kinds of... there were infants 991 01:04:29,636 --> 01:04:31,839 and children and women, 992 01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:35,008 and oh, it was a scene I'll never forget. 993 01:04:37,444 --> 01:04:38,946 NGUYEN: We were happy. 994 01:04:38,946 --> 01:04:42,116 My mom was just, you know, wow. 995 01:04:42,116 --> 01:04:44,451 Symbolically, it was like, you know, the first step 996 01:04:44,451 --> 01:04:48,822 onto not American soil, but American freedom. 997 01:05:37,938 --> 01:05:39,339 BERRY: When we started the evacuation 998 01:05:39,339 --> 01:05:41,842 we were very, very excited about it. 999 01:05:41,842 --> 01:05:44,611 Then your next emotion probably was 1000 01:05:44,611 --> 01:05:47,981 just determined to get this job done and get these people out. 1001 01:05:50,784 --> 01:05:53,687 And then, later as it went on you became fatigued 1002 01:05:53,687 --> 01:05:56,890 and frustrated that you could never make a dent in the amount 1003 01:05:56,890 --> 01:06:00,394 of people that were coming out of the embassy. 1004 01:06:02,996 --> 01:06:05,065 You'd ask questions like, was the crowd getting any smaller? 1005 01:06:05,065 --> 01:06:07,267 "When are we going to finish this?" you know. 1006 01:06:07,267 --> 01:06:08,735 And they'd say, 1007 01:06:08,735 --> 01:06:10,637 "You know, we're under orders from the Ambassador. 1008 01:06:10,637 --> 01:06:13,440 We're doing the best we can." 1009 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,808 HERRINGTON: Carrier pilots were saying, 1010 01:06:14,808 --> 01:06:18,679 look, it's an uncontrollable sea of people 1011 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:21,949 and Ambassador Martin has lost his objectivity, 1012 01:06:21,949 --> 01:06:24,051 that Ambassador Martin is trying to evacuate 1013 01:06:24,051 --> 01:06:26,320 all of Saigon through the U.S. embassy. 1014 01:06:28,755 --> 01:06:32,626 But he was doing his best under terrible circumstances. 1015 01:06:36,129 --> 01:06:38,031 JOSEPH McBRIDE: Ambassador Martin was dragging out the evacuation 1016 01:06:38,031 --> 01:06:39,700 as long as he could 1017 01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:43,504 to get as many South Vietnamese out as possible. 1018 01:06:43,504 --> 01:06:47,541 Each helicopter took about 40 people. 1019 01:06:48,842 --> 01:06:52,045 He knew that once the Americans were gone, 1020 01:06:52,045 --> 01:06:54,915 the evacuation would be over. 1021 01:06:57,184 --> 01:07:02,022 So they just put one or two Americans on each one. 1022 01:07:09,730 --> 01:07:13,133 You're very tired and you're not seeing an end to this thing. 1023 01:07:13,133 --> 01:07:14,868 So I got the word out, 1024 01:07:14,868 --> 01:07:18,705 "You know, we could use some help out here. 1025 01:07:18,705 --> 01:07:20,474 We only have 75 helicopters." 1026 01:07:20,474 --> 01:07:23,911 And the word comes back, "No. 1027 01:07:23,911 --> 01:07:26,146 No, Marine pilots don't get tired." 1028 01:07:33,086 --> 01:07:36,423 Back at the embassy under the Ambassador's direction, 1029 01:07:36,423 --> 01:07:39,560 we, of course, were taking advantage 1030 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,030 of the presence of the aircraft to evacuate threatened folks. 1031 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,004 But there were other independent efforts to get people out. 1032 01:07:53,173 --> 01:07:57,511 McBRIDE: Several of us at the embassy agreed that we would drive vans 1033 01:07:57,511 --> 01:08:01,381 down to the docks on the Saigon River. 1034 01:08:03,917 --> 01:08:08,288 I had an assigned assembly point in the middle of Saigon, 1035 01:08:08,288 --> 01:08:12,626 and I crammed about 15 people into a nine-person van 1036 01:08:12,626 --> 01:08:15,796 and then drove through the streets of Saigon 1037 01:08:15,796 --> 01:08:22,436 through various checkpoints down to the docks. 1038 01:08:25,005 --> 01:08:26,807 People would get out 1039 01:08:26,807 --> 01:08:30,510 and go running for these commercial boats and get on. 1040 01:08:32,045 --> 01:08:35,949 I made a number of runs and there'd just be more 1041 01:08:35,949 --> 01:08:38,018 and more and more people. 1042 01:08:47,628 --> 01:08:49,763 Finally, as the sun was going down, 1043 01:08:49,763 --> 01:08:51,965 we were running out of light. 1044 01:08:51,965 --> 01:08:56,670 Man came up to me. 1045 01:08:56,670 --> 01:09:01,575 I turned to him and said, "This is my last load. 1046 01:09:01,575 --> 01:09:03,577 I, you know, I can't take anymore." 1047 01:09:03,577 --> 01:09:05,078 I said, "Well, get your family." 1048 01:09:05,078 --> 01:09:06,313 And he said, "Can't do it. 1049 01:09:06,313 --> 01:09:07,748 "My family's too big. 1050 01:09:07,748 --> 01:09:10,617 My family's too big." 1051 01:09:13,854 --> 01:09:18,992 And he just shook my hand and said, "Thanks for trying," 1052 01:09:18,992 --> 01:09:20,360 and walked away. 1053 01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:26,700 So I came back to the embassy and parked the van. 1054 01:09:26,700 --> 01:09:30,570 It was already getting well into twilight. 1055 01:09:30,570 --> 01:09:32,372 Got my way through the crowd. 1056 01:09:32,372 --> 01:09:33,940 It was a big crowd. 1057 01:09:38,311 --> 01:09:40,480 I had nothing more I could do. 1058 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:44,217 So I went to get on the helicopter 1059 01:09:44,217 --> 01:09:47,788 and Ambassador Martin pulled me out of line and he said, 1060 01:09:47,788 --> 01:09:49,589 "I know what you've been doing. 1061 01:09:49,589 --> 01:09:50,991 "I know you've been out there. 1062 01:09:50,991 --> 01:09:52,259 "We've been talking. 1063 01:09:52,259 --> 01:09:54,261 I want to thank you." 1064 01:09:54,261 --> 01:09:57,097 I thought that was a kind gesture. 1065 01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:02,436 By that time it was definitely dark. 1066 01:10:02,436 --> 01:10:06,773 The lights of the... of the helicopter inside 1067 01:10:06,773 --> 01:10:09,710 radiated very clearly. 1068 01:10:09,710 --> 01:10:12,112 I sat down, looked around. 1069 01:10:12,112 --> 01:10:15,615 I was one of maybe two or three Americans. 1070 01:10:15,615 --> 01:10:18,985 The rest were all Vietnamese. 1071 01:10:18,985 --> 01:10:21,855 And we flew out. 1072 01:10:24,458 --> 01:10:26,893 PHO: It was very dark. 1073 01:10:26,893 --> 01:10:28,261 I remember that. 1074 01:10:28,261 --> 01:10:30,597 And people started to elbow each other and try to get 1075 01:10:30,597 --> 01:10:33,400 in the front line. 1076 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,902 And that's when the Captain Herrington started 1077 01:10:35,902 --> 01:10:38,205 speaking to us in Vietnamese. 1078 01:10:38,205 --> 01:10:40,107 (speaking Vietnamese) 1079 01:10:40,107 --> 01:10:42,342 "Nobody is going to be left behind." 1080 01:10:42,342 --> 01:10:45,712 (speaking Vietnamese) 1081 01:10:45,712 --> 01:10:50,083 PHO: And then he said, "When you are in American embassy, 1082 01:10:50,083 --> 01:10:52,152 "you are in American soil. 1083 01:10:52,152 --> 01:10:55,188 "I promise, me and my soldier will be the last one 1084 01:10:55,188 --> 01:10:56,757 leave the embassy." 1085 01:10:56,757 --> 01:11:00,494 So after that announcement everybody feel relaxed. 1086 01:11:00,494 --> 01:11:02,529 Literally, we totally relaxed. 1087 01:11:02,529 --> 01:11:03,997 We have nothing to worry about. 1088 01:11:03,997 --> 01:11:05,732 Yeah. 1089 01:11:08,268 --> 01:11:10,003 HENRY KISSINGER: We were told 1090 01:11:10,003 --> 01:11:14,441 that the North Vietnamese tanks were coming very close. 1091 01:11:14,441 --> 01:11:16,910 So we asked, we in the White House, asked 1092 01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:22,616 the Defense Department how many South Vietnamese were left. 1093 01:11:22,616 --> 01:11:26,553 "Left" meant inside the embassy compound. 1094 01:11:26,553 --> 01:11:29,022 And then we calculated how many helicopters 1095 01:11:29,022 --> 01:11:33,160 it would take to get them out. 1096 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:39,699 We told Martin that he had to be on the last helicopter. 1097 01:11:39,699 --> 01:11:41,968 HERRINGTON: All I know is that in Washington 1098 01:11:41,968 --> 01:11:44,137 there was confusion about the numbers on the ground. 1099 01:11:46,673 --> 01:11:51,645 At 1:00 a.m. there were 1,100 people left to evacuate. 1100 01:11:51,645 --> 01:11:53,346 After we'd had a flurry of choppers 1101 01:11:53,346 --> 01:11:55,549 and cleaned out more than half of them 1102 01:11:55,549 --> 01:11:58,084 and there were 420 people left, 1103 01:11:58,084 --> 01:12:00,821 we received an order from Washington 1104 01:12:00,821 --> 01:12:02,856 that the lift was over 1105 01:12:02,856 --> 01:12:05,725 other than the extraction of the remaining Americans. 1106 01:12:07,761 --> 01:12:09,629 BERRY: About 4:00 in the morning, 4:30, 1107 01:12:09,629 --> 01:12:12,098 I land on the USS Blue Ridge again. 1108 01:12:12,098 --> 01:12:16,469 So, General Carey comes out, gives me an apple 1109 01:12:16,469 --> 01:12:18,538 and a cup of coffee or something and says, 1110 01:12:18,538 --> 01:12:20,140 "We're under orders from the President. 1111 01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:22,676 You got to get the Ambassador out." 1112 01:12:22,676 --> 01:12:24,544 So we fly in. 1113 01:12:24,544 --> 01:12:28,481 I land on the roof exactly at 4:50 in the morning and I said, 1114 01:12:28,481 --> 01:12:34,020 "I'm not leaving until the Ambassador's on board." 1115 01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:37,023 VALDEZ: One of the Marines lowered the flag, folded it up 1116 01:12:37,023 --> 01:12:40,093 and escorted the Ambassador up to the landing zone 1117 01:12:40,093 --> 01:12:41,461 up on top of the embassy 1118 01:12:41,461 --> 01:12:44,464 and he gave him the flag 1119 01:12:44,464 --> 01:12:47,067 and, uh, that was it. 1120 01:12:50,136 --> 01:12:52,739 HERRINGTON: Major Kean came to Colonel Madison, said, "No more. 1121 01:12:52,739 --> 01:12:54,741 Only Americans from this point on." 1122 01:12:54,741 --> 01:12:57,844 And Madison said, "The hell you say. 1123 01:12:57,844 --> 01:12:59,813 We've got these people over here." 1124 01:12:59,813 --> 01:13:03,817 And Kean said, "Sir, not going to happen. 1125 01:13:03,817 --> 01:13:06,486 It's a presidential order." 1126 01:13:06,486 --> 01:13:08,822 And Madison said, "I'll take this up with the Ambassador." 1127 01:13:08,822 --> 01:13:10,624 He was very hot under the collar. 1128 01:13:10,624 --> 01:13:15,495 And Kean said, "You can't, that's him," 1129 01:13:15,495 --> 01:13:19,232 and pointed to the CH-46 that was just flying away. 1130 01:13:25,171 --> 01:13:29,276 BERRY: So the Ambassador's on board. 1131 01:13:29,276 --> 01:13:30,644 And out we go. 1132 01:13:35,649 --> 01:13:38,451 We land on the Blue Ridge. 1133 01:13:38,451 --> 01:13:42,822 15 or 20, maybe 25 people get off with the Ambassador 1134 01:13:42,822 --> 01:13:44,691 and that was the end of it. 1135 01:13:46,826 --> 01:13:49,529 I flew 18.3 hours straight through. 1136 01:13:49,529 --> 01:13:53,867 Graham Martin looked very tired, extremely haggard. 1137 01:13:53,867 --> 01:13:57,103 I mean, he looked like... I'm sure the pressure was immense. 1138 01:13:57,103 --> 01:13:59,973 REPORTER: And at what time were you to cease evacuation? 1139 01:13:59,973 --> 01:14:02,142 Cease evacuation? 1140 01:14:02,142 --> 01:14:05,111 BERRY: We could still be flying if we hadn't gotten the Ambassador out 1141 01:14:05,111 --> 01:14:10,417 because he refused to stop the lift. 1142 01:14:10,417 --> 01:14:11,451 I think about 3:00. 1143 01:14:11,451 --> 01:14:12,719 REPORTER: 3:00 in the morning? 1144 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,087 No, 3:45. 1145 01:14:19,693 --> 01:14:24,197 HERRINGTON: Colonel Madison says to me, "We're screwed. 1146 01:14:24,197 --> 01:14:26,833 "Stu, you stay down here in the parking lot 1147 01:14:26,833 --> 01:14:29,769 and keep these 420 people warm"-- 1148 01:14:29,769 --> 01:14:33,206 meaning if they see us all leave at the same time 1149 01:14:33,206 --> 01:14:37,210 they'll panic-- "and then make your way to the roof. 1150 01:14:37,210 --> 01:14:39,079 We gotta go." 1151 01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:43,350 And he was very angry and very disappointed. 1152 01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:47,487 So they disappeared into the embassy. 1153 01:14:47,487 --> 01:14:49,222 And I went to where the remaining Vietnamese 1154 01:14:49,222 --> 01:14:51,725 who were waiting and told them... 1155 01:14:51,725 --> 01:14:55,695 (speaking Vietnamese) 1156 01:14:55,695 --> 01:15:03,503 "Big helicopters about to come," and waited a few minutes. 1157 01:15:03,503 --> 01:15:07,073 Then I saw a chopper take off and I thought, 1158 01:15:07,073 --> 01:15:10,677 "Shit, was I supposed to be on that one?" 1159 01:15:10,677 --> 01:15:13,213 So, I looked at the Vietnamese and I said... 1160 01:15:13,213 --> 01:15:14,714 (speaking Vietnamese) 1161 01:15:14,714 --> 01:15:17,450 "I got to take a leak." 1162 01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:20,887 And I left into the shadows. 1163 01:15:20,887 --> 01:15:23,690 I made my way around in a circuitous route 1164 01:15:23,690 --> 01:15:25,759 and went into the embassy. 1165 01:15:27,761 --> 01:15:33,600 I thought about how this really, really was wrong. 1166 01:15:35,201 --> 01:15:38,138 I thought maybe I should just say, "I'm not leaving 1167 01:15:38,138 --> 01:15:41,741 till they go, because I promised them." 1168 01:15:41,741 --> 01:15:44,177 And then I said, "Don't be a fool. 1169 01:15:44,177 --> 01:15:45,712 "Maybe they've started shooting down helicopters 1170 01:15:45,712 --> 01:15:46,913 "for all you know. 1171 01:15:46,913 --> 01:15:50,050 "You're not going to get anybody else out. 1172 01:15:50,050 --> 01:15:52,685 "It's a presidential order. 1173 01:15:52,685 --> 01:15:55,688 This decision has been made." 1174 01:15:55,688 --> 01:16:01,027 So, I got to the roof and a CH-46 alighted on the rooftop, 1175 01:16:01,027 --> 01:16:06,199 put its ramp down and we got on board. 1176 01:16:10,136 --> 01:16:13,239 As it took off, the door was open. 1177 01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,075 And down in the parking lot 1178 01:16:15,075 --> 01:16:17,177 I could see the group of 420 of them. 1179 01:16:17,177 --> 01:16:19,179 They were right were we had left them marshaled 1180 01:16:19,179 --> 01:16:22,682 on this little patch of grass. 1181 01:16:22,682 --> 01:16:25,752 I felt absolutely awful. 1182 01:16:25,752 --> 01:16:31,958 It was just so... serious and deep a betrayal. 1183 01:16:45,638 --> 01:16:48,608 JACOBS: Later that night I was quite surprised that I got 1184 01:16:48,608 --> 01:16:50,176 a call to "Come alongside the flagship. 1185 01:16:50,176 --> 01:16:53,113 The Admiral wants to speak to you." 1186 01:16:53,113 --> 01:16:57,684 My first reaction, as any CO, is, "What did we do?" 1187 01:16:57,684 --> 01:17:03,123 Not realizing we had been picked for a special mission. 1188 01:17:03,123 --> 01:17:05,925 DOYLE: We were supposed to pick up this person. 1189 01:17:05,925 --> 01:17:09,162 He was 30 years old, came aboard, civilian clothes. 1190 01:17:09,162 --> 01:17:11,464 And the Captain was just told 1191 01:17:11,464 --> 01:17:16,503 to take his direction from this guy. 1192 01:17:16,503 --> 01:17:20,473 RICHARD ARMITAGE: I went aboard the Kirk and met with Captain Paul Jacobs. 1193 01:17:20,473 --> 01:17:22,909 And the first thing he said to me is, 1194 01:17:22,909 --> 01:17:25,945 "Young man, I'm not accustomed 1195 01:17:25,945 --> 01:17:28,414 "to strange civilians coming aboard my ship armed 1196 01:17:28,414 --> 01:17:30,016 in the middle of the night." 1197 01:17:30,016 --> 01:17:32,318 And I said, "Captain, I assure you, neither am I." 1198 01:17:32,318 --> 01:17:35,889 JACOBS: He smelled like a Naval officer, you know. 1199 01:17:35,889 --> 01:17:37,524 You know, one officer can smell another one. 1200 01:17:37,524 --> 01:17:39,425 So, I looked him up in the blue book. 1201 01:17:39,425 --> 01:17:42,061 He's a graduate of the Naval Academy. 1202 01:17:42,061 --> 01:17:43,863 So from that point on we were fine. 1203 01:17:43,863 --> 01:17:45,131 "What do you want to do?" 1204 01:17:45,131 --> 01:17:47,834 And we worked together as a team. 1205 01:17:51,237 --> 01:17:54,707 ARMITAGE: We steamed down to Con Son Island and we could see 1206 01:17:54,707 --> 01:17:58,845 on the radar display that there were a lot of blips. 1207 01:17:58,845 --> 01:18:01,447 And I remember dawn breaking and the sun coming up, 1208 01:18:01,447 --> 01:18:05,385 and seeing what I had seen as a radar display in person. 1209 01:18:07,687 --> 01:18:11,090 There were dozens of ships. 1210 01:18:11,090 --> 01:18:15,962 And not just Vietnamese naval ships, 1211 01:18:15,962 --> 01:18:19,199 but also civilian ships. 1212 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:23,069 And they were all totally crammed with people. 1213 01:18:26,639 --> 01:18:30,343 JACOBS: There are no words to describe 1214 01:18:30,343 --> 01:18:33,413 what a ship looks like that holds 200 1215 01:18:33,413 --> 01:18:35,815 and it's got 2,000 on it. 1216 01:18:35,815 --> 01:18:41,421 I don't think anybody really understood the magnitude of it 1217 01:18:41,421 --> 01:18:44,557 until we looked at what we got in front of us. 1218 01:18:46,226 --> 01:18:48,328 It looked like something out of Exodus. 1219 01:18:50,496 --> 01:18:55,902 Our mission was to help the ships into international waters. 1220 01:18:55,902 --> 01:19:00,173 But now they had all these people. 1221 01:19:00,173 --> 01:19:04,110 My reaction is, "How the hell are we going to do this?" 1222 01:19:06,412 --> 01:19:09,782 Most of the Vietnamese Navy ships were dead in the water, 1223 01:19:09,782 --> 01:19:15,221 some were anchored, some were just adrift. 1224 01:19:15,221 --> 01:19:17,323 So, we sent over our engineering, technical people 1225 01:19:17,323 --> 01:19:23,296 to see what we could do to help them and get them underway. 1226 01:19:23,296 --> 01:19:29,702 ARMITAGE: We had worked a plan out to sail the ships to the Philippines. 1227 01:19:29,702 --> 01:19:34,741 And the Kirk was going to escort them. 1228 01:19:34,741 --> 01:19:36,743 But the fact that they're going to be crammed 1229 01:19:36,743 --> 01:19:38,711 with an unknown number of civilians 1230 01:19:38,711 --> 01:19:41,381 was somewhat problematic. 1231 01:19:41,381 --> 01:19:44,117 The U.S. government already had a refugee problem 1232 01:19:44,117 --> 01:19:46,152 with the U.S. Naval ships. 1233 01:19:46,152 --> 01:19:49,555 This was another 30,000 or more people to deal with. 1234 01:19:49,555 --> 01:19:53,259 JACOBS: We were up all night talking about it. 1235 01:19:53,259 --> 01:19:55,828 And I'm convinced that if we sent them back or took them back 1236 01:19:55,828 --> 01:19:57,063 they would have killed them all. 1237 01:19:57,063 --> 01:20:02,368 And Armitage decided to bring them. 1238 01:20:02,368 --> 01:20:06,339 And he didn't get permission from Washington to do that. 1239 01:20:06,339 --> 01:20:10,109 ARMITAGE: I thought it was a lot easier to beg forgiveness 1240 01:20:10,109 --> 01:20:12,078 than to get permission. 1241 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,616 So the decision was made. 1242 01:20:16,616 --> 01:20:18,685 And they all went with us. 1243 01:20:46,145 --> 01:20:49,549 MIKE SULLIVAN: We had finally got out the last of the refugees 1244 01:20:49,549 --> 01:20:51,384 that we could get out. 1245 01:20:51,384 --> 01:20:54,253 Now we had to evacuate the Marines. 1246 01:20:56,856 --> 01:21:01,627 They were all inside the embassy building except for us. 1247 01:21:01,627 --> 01:21:05,398 I was still on the embassy grounds with two of my sergeants 1248 01:21:05,398 --> 01:21:07,400 and I said, "You two stay right with me. 1249 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,801 Don't leave my side." 1250 01:21:08,801 --> 01:21:12,638 We slowly walked backwards to the embassy door 1251 01:21:12,638 --> 01:21:15,541 and a couple of Vietnamese came towards me. 1252 01:21:15,541 --> 01:21:17,477 I said, "We have no more helicopters. 1253 01:21:17,477 --> 01:21:18,478 "That's it. 1254 01:21:18,478 --> 01:21:19,812 "I'm sorry. 1255 01:21:19,812 --> 01:21:22,148 We cannot take you." 1256 01:21:22,148 --> 01:21:23,850 And they began to argue with me. 1257 01:21:23,850 --> 01:21:25,618 They spoke good English, too. 1258 01:21:25,618 --> 01:21:27,387 "We can ride in your helicopter." 1259 01:21:27,387 --> 01:21:31,557 I said, "I'm sorry, no more." 1260 01:21:31,557 --> 01:21:34,894 So we spun around and slammed these huge doors, 1261 01:21:34,894 --> 01:21:38,297 and we locked it from behind. 1262 01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:46,439 PHO: I kind of fall asleep off and on, 1263 01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,642 but what gets me woke up is the noise. 1264 01:21:49,642 --> 01:21:51,411 It's a different noise. 1265 01:21:51,411 --> 01:21:54,080 So I kind of look up. 1266 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,783 And the first thing in my sight was 1267 01:21:56,783 --> 01:22:02,989 I didn't see that soldier there anymore on that wall. 1268 01:22:02,989 --> 01:22:06,826 There were people throwing blankets or jackets 1269 01:22:06,826 --> 01:22:08,428 and materials over the barbed wire 1270 01:22:08,428 --> 01:22:12,298 so they can climb over the wire to come in. 1271 01:22:12,298 --> 01:22:15,768 It was like, "Where are the soldiers?" 1272 01:22:15,768 --> 01:22:19,405 SULLIVAN: We were going up the stairs. 1273 01:22:19,405 --> 01:22:22,842 Below me I could hear feet running on the stairway. 1274 01:22:22,842 --> 01:22:26,379 When we got to the roof, Master Sergeant Valdez was there. 1275 01:22:26,379 --> 01:22:28,281 He says, "We got everybody?" 1276 01:22:28,281 --> 01:22:29,782 "Yeah." 1277 01:22:29,782 --> 01:22:33,586 I said, "Man, there's somebody chasing me up those stairs." 1278 01:22:33,586 --> 01:22:37,390 VALDEZ: There were wall lockers up on the roof 1279 01:22:37,390 --> 01:22:41,194 and those big fire extinguishers with wheels so we tilted 1280 01:22:41,194 --> 01:22:43,663 all those wall lockers and the fire extinguishers, 1281 01:22:43,663 --> 01:22:46,799 put them against the door. 1282 01:22:46,799 --> 01:22:49,635 There was a little window there that we could see them in there, 1283 01:22:49,635 --> 01:22:54,874 all the Vietnamese trying to get to the roof. 1284 01:22:54,874 --> 01:22:59,579 The Marines started going out as choppers came in. 1285 01:22:59,579 --> 01:23:04,750 Then all of a sudden choppers all cease. 1286 01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:07,186 There was 11 of us still left there. 1287 01:23:13,125 --> 01:23:16,762 The briefing was delayed until the evacuation was completed 1288 01:23:16,762 --> 01:23:19,098 and the last helicopters are now in the air. 1289 01:23:19,098 --> 01:23:22,735 The President commends the personnel of the armed forces 1290 01:23:22,735 --> 01:23:26,072 who accomplished it, as well as Ambassador Graham Martin 1291 01:23:26,072 --> 01:23:28,975 and the staff of his mission who served so well 1292 01:23:28,975 --> 01:23:31,744 under difficult conditions. 1293 01:23:31,744 --> 01:23:35,014 KISSINGER: We were told that Martin had left on the last helicopter 1294 01:23:35,014 --> 01:23:37,884 and that the evacuation had ended. 1295 01:23:37,884 --> 01:23:42,989 I'm confident that every American who wanted to come out 1296 01:23:42,989 --> 01:23:44,690 is out. 1297 01:23:44,690 --> 01:23:47,660 KISSINGER: So we held a briefing. 1298 01:23:47,660 --> 01:23:49,762 Well, turned out not to be the last helicopter 1299 01:23:49,762 --> 01:23:53,833 because there was another horrendous screw-up. 1300 01:23:53,833 --> 01:23:58,037 VALDEZ: There were no helicopters. 1301 01:23:58,037 --> 01:24:01,274 You know, we were just kind of sitting down around 1302 01:24:01,274 --> 01:24:03,042 looking at each other, 1303 01:24:03,042 --> 01:24:05,478 wondering, you know, what's going to happen here, 1304 01:24:05,478 --> 01:24:09,048 you know, whether they truly had forgotten about us. 1305 01:24:09,048 --> 01:24:14,887 SULLIVAN: So I got on my radio and I began saying, "U.S. Navy, U.S. Navy, 1306 01:24:14,887 --> 01:24:18,491 American embassy, request extraction immediate." 1307 01:24:18,491 --> 01:24:20,359 And I repeated this over and over and over. 1308 01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:25,364 The only option we had was sit on the stupid roof 1309 01:24:25,364 --> 01:24:27,199 like a sitting duck. 1310 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:30,002 And I kept thinking, "Where are the North Vietnamese?" 1311 01:24:32,972 --> 01:24:35,875 VALDEZ: About 7:45 in the morning you could start seeing 1312 01:24:35,875 --> 01:24:39,946 North Vietnamese coming down the road. 1313 01:24:39,946 --> 01:24:42,214 My thoughts were, "What's to keep them from bombing 1314 01:24:42,214 --> 01:24:44,917 the top of the embassy roof and blowing us off," you know? 1315 01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:49,522 SULLIVAN: A tank is going to take one shot. 1316 01:24:49,522 --> 01:24:52,024 If it hits the building, you're gone. 1317 01:24:55,194 --> 01:24:57,663 So I didn't like the idea of being up there, 1318 01:24:57,663 --> 01:25:02,234 but where else are you going to go? 1319 01:25:02,234 --> 01:25:07,039 Finally I looked out and I saw a black dot. 1320 01:25:07,039 --> 01:25:09,241 When that chopper landed, I told the Marines, 1321 01:25:09,241 --> 01:25:12,612 "Go. Get in." 1322 01:25:12,612 --> 01:25:16,649 I was the last one out. 1323 01:25:16,649 --> 01:25:20,853 And as I was putting my foot on the ramp, I fell down, 1324 01:25:20,853 --> 01:25:24,757 and I'm just hanging on and the ramp's going up. 1325 01:25:24,757 --> 01:25:26,225 SULLIVAN: The ramp is closing 1326 01:25:26,225 --> 01:25:29,662 and I did what I was trained in my first tour-- count. 1327 01:25:29,662 --> 01:25:32,898 So I went, "One, two, three, four, five, six... ten. 1328 01:25:32,898 --> 01:25:34,133 "Ten? 1329 01:25:34,133 --> 01:25:36,235 "One, two, three, four, five, six... ten. 1330 01:25:36,235 --> 01:25:37,637 Ten." 1331 01:25:37,637 --> 01:25:41,474 And I looked at the crew chief and I said, "Put it down." 1332 01:25:41,474 --> 01:25:43,342 I knew I was missing one man. 1333 01:25:43,342 --> 01:25:45,378 I remember looking at the ramp 1334 01:25:45,378 --> 01:25:47,880 and two hands were over the top of it. 1335 01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,181 (chuckles) 1336 01:25:49,181 --> 01:25:50,916 So the Marines just kind of grabbed me 1337 01:25:50,916 --> 01:25:52,785 and then just pulled me in. 1338 01:25:55,988 --> 01:26:01,827 SULLIVAN: We left, by my watch, at 7:58 Saigon time. 1339 01:26:01,827 --> 01:26:04,697 And we were the last 11. 1340 01:26:10,503 --> 01:26:14,940 JIM LAURIE: My cameraman, Neil Davis, and I decided to stay. 1341 01:26:17,977 --> 01:26:20,780 We saw the last helicopter leave from the roof. 1342 01:26:22,281 --> 01:26:25,518 We then tried to scramble into the embassy ourselves. 1343 01:26:25,518 --> 01:26:26,986 Neil got to the roof. 1344 01:26:26,986 --> 01:26:28,721 I did not. 1345 01:26:28,721 --> 01:26:30,656 And he saw dozens of Vietnamese 1346 01:26:30,656 --> 01:26:34,760 just sitting on the helicopter pad on the roof of the embassy, 1347 01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,130 waiting, wanting to get out. 1348 01:26:38,130 --> 01:26:41,000 And of course no more helicopters were going to come. 1349 01:26:44,770 --> 01:26:46,739 PHO: I didn't join them. 1350 01:26:46,739 --> 01:26:50,576 I actually... scared. 1351 01:26:50,576 --> 01:26:53,312 If the Communists come in, 1352 01:26:53,312 --> 01:26:55,181 the last thing we want them to see us 1353 01:26:55,181 --> 01:26:57,183 is in the American embassy. 1354 01:26:57,183 --> 01:26:58,084 So we get out. 1355 01:27:02,021 --> 01:27:05,157 LAURIE: People were coming in and out of the buildings. 1356 01:27:05,157 --> 01:27:09,028 Literally, anything that could not be fastened down 1357 01:27:09,028 --> 01:27:12,765 or was not fastened down was being taken away. 1358 01:27:12,765 --> 01:27:15,267 Any souvenirs from the Ambassador's office 1359 01:27:15,267 --> 01:27:16,769 were taken away. 1360 01:27:16,769 --> 01:27:19,839 Almost brick by brick the embassy was being dismantled. 1361 01:27:19,839 --> 01:27:22,174 It was ordinary looting. 1362 01:27:22,174 --> 01:27:26,746 But more than that, I think it was just frustration and anger 1363 01:27:26,746 --> 01:27:31,050 and an opportunity to get back, perhaps, at the Americans 1364 01:27:31,050 --> 01:27:33,819 because in the view of many in that crowd that day, 1365 01:27:33,819 --> 01:27:36,689 we had deserted them. 1366 01:27:43,996 --> 01:27:46,532 NBC news correspondent Jim Laurie 1367 01:27:46,532 --> 01:27:49,635 is one of the few Americans still left in Saigon, 1368 01:27:49,635 --> 01:27:53,172 in the city when President Duong Van Minh went on the radio 1369 01:27:53,172 --> 01:27:55,374 and told the Viet Cong 1370 01:27:55,374 --> 01:27:57,543 that his country would surrender unconditionally 1371 01:27:57,543 --> 01:28:01,213 and that he had told its army to lay down its arms. 1372 01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:02,915 Here from Saigon radio hookup 1373 01:28:02,915 --> 01:28:05,117 is Laurie's report on the surrender. 1374 01:28:05,117 --> 01:28:09,188 LAURIE: In the words of General Minh, "We are here to hand over 1375 01:28:09,188 --> 01:28:14,360 the power of government to you in order to avoid bloodshed." 1376 01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,297 It is a unilateral ceasefire and an unconditional surrender. 1377 01:28:18,297 --> 01:28:22,168 The 30-year war in South Vietnam is at last over. 1378 01:28:46,759 --> 01:28:50,362 The first thing I did was to destroy my documents, 1379 01:28:50,362 --> 01:28:55,968 my badges, just keeping the civilian ID. 1380 01:28:55,968 --> 01:29:01,106 And then I went around Saigon to see what happened. 1381 01:29:33,572 --> 01:29:40,946 I saw a lot of South Vietnamese soldiers in underwear. 1382 01:29:40,946 --> 01:29:47,052 They took off all their military clothes, boots, 1383 01:29:47,052 --> 01:29:49,355 and they threw them away. 1384 01:29:57,429 --> 01:30:02,167 And I thought, well, what would happen to them? 1385 01:30:05,137 --> 01:30:07,406 And to me, to myself. 1386 01:30:07,406 --> 01:30:09,141 Right. 1387 01:30:12,711 --> 01:30:19,051 I thought of my friends who were killed in action and I thought, 1388 01:30:19,051 --> 01:30:22,922 "Well, is this what we fought for?" 1389 01:30:25,624 --> 01:30:30,329 "Is this what the Americans came for?" 1390 01:30:34,033 --> 01:30:37,136 And I didn't have the answer. 1391 01:30:43,309 --> 01:30:48,781 SNEPP: I have wrestled with this ever since. 1392 01:30:48,781 --> 01:30:53,052 I realized that I had become 1393 01:30:53,052 --> 01:30:56,255 the quintessential American in Vietnam. 1394 01:30:56,255 --> 01:31:00,225 I had all these causes, all these big things I was doing. 1395 01:31:00,225 --> 01:31:02,361 I was trying to get the truth back to Washington. 1396 01:31:02,361 --> 01:31:06,065 I was talking to agents, trying to persuade the Ambassador, 1397 01:31:06,065 --> 01:31:10,970 and I forgot that what was at stake were human lives. 1398 01:31:16,008 --> 01:31:20,980 PHO: For years after that, I hear that sound in my head, 1399 01:31:20,980 --> 01:31:24,016 that sound like, "Tchk-tchk-tchk-tchk-tchk." 1400 01:31:24,016 --> 01:31:26,118 In the middle of the night I just jump up. 1401 01:31:26,118 --> 01:31:27,786 I thought the helicopter come pick me up. 1402 01:31:30,522 --> 01:31:32,758 I called it "dream in the wind." 1403 01:31:36,028 --> 01:31:39,531 Later we found out the big fleet is out there. 1404 01:31:39,531 --> 01:31:41,533 You can just take a boat and go there. 1405 01:31:41,533 --> 01:31:44,436 They take everybody. 1406 01:31:44,436 --> 01:31:47,306 If you can get out there, you're on board. 1407 01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:53,245 And I just didn't know that. 1408 01:31:53,245 --> 01:31:55,914 You know, so... 1409 01:32:08,394 --> 01:32:10,996 JACOBS: As we approached the Philippines with our refugees, 1410 01:32:10,996 --> 01:32:13,499 there was a big problem. 1411 01:32:13,499 --> 01:32:15,300 They wouldn't let us in. 1412 01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:18,237 And the reason they wouldn't let us in is 1413 01:32:18,237 --> 01:32:19,838 because the government there had recognized 1414 01:32:19,838 --> 01:32:22,041 the new regime in Vietnam 1415 01:32:22,041 --> 01:32:24,910 and these Navy ships we were escorting, 1416 01:32:24,910 --> 01:32:29,014 they were all flying South Vietnamese flags. 1417 01:32:29,014 --> 01:32:33,185 And the solution was to reflag all these ships 1418 01:32:33,185 --> 01:32:36,655 as American ships. 1419 01:32:36,655 --> 01:32:37,990 (Kiem Do speaking Vietnamese) 1420 01:32:55,641 --> 01:32:59,745 (singing in Vietnamese) 1421 01:33:28,974 --> 01:33:33,445 JACOBS: They lowered their Vietnamese flag, people crying. 1422 01:33:33,445 --> 01:33:35,747 It was very emotional for them to lose their country, 1423 01:33:35,747 --> 01:33:37,149 their flag, their ship. 1424 01:33:37,149 --> 01:33:41,086 Everything was gone. 1425 01:33:41,086 --> 01:33:42,888 And then we raised the American flag. 1426 01:33:42,888 --> 01:33:46,191 We tried to do that with as much dignity as we could. 1427 01:33:57,536 --> 01:33:59,805 HERRINGTON: There were thousands and thousands of Americans 1428 01:33:59,805 --> 01:34:04,776 who served in Vietnam who were sitting at home heartbroken 1429 01:34:04,776 --> 01:34:08,914 at watching this whole thing come to naught. 1430 01:34:13,018 --> 01:34:17,422 The end of April of 1975 was... 1431 01:34:17,422 --> 01:34:21,360 the whole Vietnam involvement in microcosm-- 1432 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,296 Promises made in good faith, promises broken; 1433 01:34:24,296 --> 01:34:30,469 people being hurt because we didn't get our act together. 1434 01:34:30,469 --> 01:34:31,803 You know, the whole Vietnam War 1435 01:34:31,803 --> 01:34:35,340 is a story that kind of sounds like that. 1436 01:34:35,340 --> 01:34:39,878 But on the other hand, sometimes there are moments 1437 01:34:39,878 --> 01:34:43,081 when good people have to rise to the occasion 1438 01:34:43,081 --> 01:34:45,651 and do the things that need to be done. 1439 01:34:45,651 --> 01:34:50,189 And in Saigon, there was no shortage of people like that. 115933

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