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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,084 --> 00:00:08,519 We will begin the session now. 2 00:00:08,553 --> 00:00:11,922 You will remain aware of everything that goes on. 3 00:00:11,940 --> 00:00:13,190 Okay. 4 00:00:13,225 --> 00:00:15,142 We're going to find an incident in your life 5 00:00:15,193 --> 00:00:16,927 you have an exact record of. 6 00:00:16,945 --> 00:00:20,398 Then by sending you through it at the time it happened, 7 00:00:20,432 --> 00:00:22,700 we're going to reduce it. 8 00:00:22,734 --> 00:00:25,202 We will reduce the pain. 9 00:00:25,237 --> 00:00:28,205 Go to the beginning of that incident. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,740 Tell me what's happening. 11 00:00:29,791 --> 00:00:31,325 Well, these things get all so... 12 00:00:31,376 --> 00:00:32,743 I joined in 198-- 13 00:00:32,777 --> 00:00:34,829 It was a bunch of young kids, like I was young... 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,332 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 15 00:00:40,635 --> 00:00:43,421 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 16 00:00:43,455 --> 00:00:46,974 - I think the first time I saw - Hubbard, and I was in awe... 17 00:00:47,008 --> 00:00:49,060 We did, because you thought we were doing good. 18 00:00:49,094 --> 00:00:50,761 I mean, so you had some gratification. 19 00:00:50,795 --> 00:00:52,813 I felt a tremendous amount of relief. 20 00:00:52,848 --> 00:00:54,932 I got the answers for everything 21 00:00:54,966 --> 00:00:56,233 within the religion. 22 00:00:56,268 --> 00:00:58,102 What are you most afraid of? 23 00:00:58,136 --> 00:01:00,071 - It was dark. - 3:00 in the morning, 24 00:01:00,105 --> 00:01:01,805 there's a knock on the hotel-room door. 25 00:01:01,823 --> 00:01:03,774 Stop! I'll say whatever you want, 26 00:01:03,808 --> 00:01:05,276 I'll write up anything that you want. 27 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:07,495 I flipped out. I started punching holes in the walls. 28 00:01:07,529 --> 00:01:09,747 Things didn't seem quite right. 29 00:01:09,781 --> 00:01:13,317 And you just feel so foolish at that point. 30 00:01:13,335 --> 00:01:16,170 Do you have a secret you're afraid I'll find out? 31 00:01:16,204 --> 00:01:17,671 Yes. Yes. 32 00:01:19,624 --> 00:01:21,425 Go to the beginning of that incident. 33 00:01:21,460 --> 00:01:24,462 Okay, all right. 34 00:01:24,496 --> 00:01:25,996 Tell me about it. 35 00:01:26,014 --> 00:01:29,016 I was 21 years old, 36 00:01:29,050 --> 00:01:31,719 living in London, Ontario, Canada. 37 00:01:31,770 --> 00:01:33,854 I wanted to be a documentary filmmaker. 38 00:01:33,889 --> 00:01:36,023 And someone had told me 39 00:01:36,057 --> 00:01:39,443 about what they called-- They said, "There's this cult 40 00:01:39,478 --> 00:01:42,947 "in New York called Scientology," 41 00:01:42,981 --> 00:01:44,348 which I'd never heard of. 42 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:47,184 "And if you give them all your money, 43 00:01:47,202 --> 00:01:49,887 "they'll make anything possible in your life." 44 00:01:51,022 --> 00:01:53,457 And about six months later, I was walking down the street. 45 00:01:53,492 --> 00:01:56,026 This guy was there selling books. 46 00:01:56,061 --> 00:01:58,062 And I realized they were all the same book-- 47 00:01:58,096 --> 00:01:59,863 "Dianetics," 48 00:01:59,881 --> 00:02:02,333 which again, I had never heard of. 49 00:02:02,367 --> 00:02:05,636 He handed me one and asked me to look at it. 50 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:07,721 He was talking. I wasn't really listening to him. 51 00:02:07,756 --> 00:02:09,924 I opened the cover and it said-- 52 00:02:09,975 --> 00:02:13,043 stamped on the inside page, it said "Church of Scientology." 53 00:02:13,061 --> 00:02:16,680 And I said, "Take me there." 54 00:02:16,714 --> 00:02:18,849 - All right. - All right, here we go. 55 00:02:18,883 --> 00:02:21,852 I'm not a great multitasker. 56 00:02:21,903 --> 00:02:25,573 You know, and if I feel like doing something, that's what I do. 57 00:02:25,607 --> 00:02:29,527 And, uh, I was into this shit, 58 00:02:29,561 --> 00:02:31,779 and I was becoming an auditor. 59 00:02:31,863 --> 00:02:35,332 Like, I was in Scientology probably four months, 60 00:02:35,367 --> 00:02:39,753 and I had done more than John Travolta had done, 61 00:02:39,788 --> 00:02:43,641 and he'd been there for 85 years or some shit. 62 00:02:44,709 --> 00:02:46,911 My agents called, you know, "You got an audition." 63 00:02:46,945 --> 00:02:49,547 "Eh, fuck it, I don't really--" You know what I mean? 64 00:02:49,581 --> 00:02:51,582 I was on-- I'm on a spiritual adventure, 65 00:02:51,616 --> 00:02:54,685 and this was like, "Whoa, this is an interesting road." 66 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:56,720 You know? 67 00:02:56,754 --> 00:03:01,308 So, uh, what was the question? 68 00:03:01,359 --> 00:03:05,946 So tell me, how was it you first got involved in Scientology? 69 00:03:05,981 --> 00:03:08,899 Well, I was introduced to it by some friends. 70 00:03:08,950 --> 00:03:11,952 I don't know if they said it or if it was just talked about 71 00:03:11,987 --> 00:03:14,154 by others that they had super powers. 72 00:03:14,206 --> 00:03:17,208 And I-- I was, like, really young, 73 00:03:17,242 --> 00:03:19,793 but I thought, "I'd like to have super powers!" 74 00:03:19,828 --> 00:03:24,048 But also I had done so much... 75 00:03:24,082 --> 00:03:25,216 political-social work. 76 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:28,886 So this really looked like-- that it was a solution 77 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:30,888 to handling a lot of the world's problems. 78 00:03:30,922 --> 00:03:33,591 Instead of trying to handle things en masse, 79 00:03:33,642 --> 00:03:35,226 you could deal with it person by person, 80 00:03:35,260 --> 00:03:39,430 make each person better, and thus the world would get better and surer. 81 00:03:51,192 --> 00:03:52,809 Well, thank you very much, 82 00:03:52,827 --> 00:03:55,979 and welcome to our Whole New World. 83 00:03:55,997 --> 00:03:58,815 It's a world where the operative phrase reads... 84 00:03:58,833 --> 00:04:01,001 "Exceeding all expectations, 85 00:04:01,036 --> 00:04:03,120 "transcending all parameters, 86 00:04:03,154 --> 00:04:06,090 "extending the boundaries beyond any boundary, 87 00:04:06,124 --> 00:04:09,710 "not to mention Godspeed, lightning speed, 88 00:04:09,761 --> 00:04:13,330 "and a quantum leap in sheer rapidity of progress up the Bridge." 89 00:04:17,736 --> 00:04:21,405 We're out to make every life extraordinary. 90 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:25,509 And if by chance it ever seems laborious or a sacrifice, 91 00:04:25,527 --> 00:04:30,230 then you are looking at the offramps instead of the highway. 92 00:04:30,282 --> 00:04:33,617 You are missing the signpost up ahead, 93 00:04:33,652 --> 00:04:37,788 the one that reads, "Next stop, infinity." 94 00:04:41,576 --> 00:04:45,713 Probably my favorite concept of Scientology 95 00:04:45,747 --> 00:04:48,048 is a world without criminality, 96 00:04:48,083 --> 00:04:51,302 a world without war, and a world without insanity. 97 00:04:51,336 --> 00:04:54,638 And I know of no other group 98 00:04:54,673 --> 00:04:57,591 that their goals are that clear. 99 00:04:57,642 --> 00:05:03,097 Look, I don't-- you name me another philosophy, 100 00:05:03,148 --> 00:05:05,566 religion, or technology 101 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,070 that one of its main goals-- besides the three I mentioned earlier-- 102 00:05:10,105 --> 00:05:14,391 where joy is the operative concept. 103 00:05:18,446 --> 00:05:20,914 These are the times now, people. 104 00:05:20,949 --> 00:05:25,536 Okay? These are the times we will all remember. 105 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:27,371 Were you there? 106 00:05:27,405 --> 00:05:29,590 What did you do? 107 00:05:30,458 --> 00:05:32,176 So what do you say? Can we clean this place up? 108 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:34,511 Yeah! 109 00:05:34,546 --> 00:05:37,681 Okay. Because we're counting on you. 110 00:05:37,716 --> 00:05:40,601 Okay? 111 00:05:40,635 --> 00:05:42,853 All right? To LRH! 112 00:05:44,806 --> 00:05:46,089 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 113 00:05:46,107 --> 00:05:47,391 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 114 00:05:47,425 --> 00:05:49,226 Hip-hip-- Hooray! 115 00:05:53,031 --> 00:05:56,033 Scientology is such a subject of fascination for people. 116 00:05:56,067 --> 00:05:58,736 How did you get engaged in the story? 117 00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:00,988 Well, I've always been interested in religions 118 00:06:01,039 --> 00:06:04,792 and why people believe one idea rather than another. 119 00:06:04,826 --> 00:06:09,346 I've studied Jonestown, radical Islam. 120 00:06:09,381 --> 00:06:12,149 They're oftentimes good-hearted people-- 121 00:06:12,183 --> 00:06:16,620 idealistic, but full of a kind of crushing certainty 122 00:06:16,638 --> 00:06:19,456 that eliminates doubt. 123 00:06:19,474 --> 00:06:23,343 You know, my goal wasn't to write an exposรฉ. 124 00:06:23,395 --> 00:06:25,979 It was simply to understand Scientology, 125 00:06:26,014 --> 00:06:28,515 trying to understand what people get out of it. 126 00:06:28,566 --> 00:06:30,634 You know, why do they go into it in the first place? 127 00:06:30,652 --> 00:06:34,488 I was interested in intelligent and skeptical people 128 00:06:34,522 --> 00:06:36,907 who are drawn into a belief system 129 00:06:36,941 --> 00:06:39,076 and wind up acting on those beliefs 130 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:41,695 in ways they never thought they would. 131 00:06:51,506 --> 00:06:53,624 The Church of Scientology turned out to be 132 00:06:53,658 --> 00:06:55,826 two offices above a Woolworth's store. 133 00:06:55,844 --> 00:06:58,512 He asked me, "What's ruining your life?" 134 00:06:58,596 --> 00:07:00,330 I said, "Oh, I'm in love. 135 00:07:00,348 --> 00:07:02,266 "I'm in love with this woman. It's impossible. 136 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:04,051 "I don't know what to do. I need some help." 137 00:07:04,102 --> 00:07:06,687 And he said, "We can help you with that." 138 00:07:06,721 --> 00:07:08,355 I said, "Really?" "Yes." 139 00:07:08,389 --> 00:07:11,341 And I ran home and got her, and I said, "We have to sign up for this. 140 00:07:11,359 --> 00:07:14,194 "It sounds really good. It could save our relationship." 141 00:07:14,229 --> 00:07:17,815 So we both signed up the next day to do a course, 142 00:07:17,849 --> 00:07:20,484 which I think cost $50. 143 00:07:20,518 --> 00:07:22,352 The thing that absolutely got me 144 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:23,821 and stayed with me forever 145 00:07:23,855 --> 00:07:25,906 was the very first thing I read when you open the course pack, 146 00:07:25,957 --> 00:07:27,991 and it said-- I'm paraphrasing-- 147 00:07:28,025 --> 00:07:31,862 "Don't believe any of this. If it works for you, great. 148 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,364 "If it doesn't, discard it." 149 00:07:34,382 --> 00:07:36,717 I was troubled by the fact that they called it a religion, 150 00:07:36,751 --> 00:07:39,369 but I figured, "Oh, it's some tax scam. It's fine with me. 151 00:07:39,387 --> 00:07:41,922 "I don't really care about that as long as it works." 152 00:07:41,973 --> 00:07:46,143 The first exercise, after you do all this reading and stuff like that, 153 00:07:46,177 --> 00:07:49,429 is this thing called O-T-T-R-0, 154 00:07:49,481 --> 00:07:52,883 which is basically, you stand-- you sit 155 00:07:52,901 --> 00:07:56,403 just like this, eyes closed, 156 00:07:56,437 --> 00:07:59,523 three feet away from somebody who's doing the same thing, 157 00:07:59,557 --> 00:08:03,610 and you basically confront them. 158 00:08:05,029 --> 00:08:06,280 You know? 159 00:08:06,331 --> 00:08:11,084 And in Scientology lingo, 160 00:08:11,119 --> 00:08:13,069 I went exterior. 161 00:08:13,087 --> 00:08:15,572 Exteriorizing is what they call it. 162 00:08:15,590 --> 00:08:18,509 You know, you leave your body. 163 00:08:18,543 --> 00:08:23,747 So it was a... transcendent experience for me., 164 00:08:23,765 --> 00:08:26,266 and that made me go, "Holy fucking shit, 165 00:08:26,301 --> 00:08:28,385 "this is-- wow." 166 00:08:28,419 --> 00:08:31,588 I was reading books, going to lectures, and going to things-- 167 00:08:31,606 --> 00:08:35,359 different events at the mission-- at the local Santa Clara Mission. 168 00:08:35,393 --> 00:08:38,094 And then I knew I wanted to join the Sea Org 169 00:08:38,112 --> 00:08:39,980 and get really involved as soon as I could, 170 00:08:40,031 --> 00:08:42,399 which would be right out of high school. 171 00:08:42,483 --> 00:08:45,953 Sea Org is the most fraternal order of the organization. 172 00:08:45,987 --> 00:08:49,272 It's people who really, really believe in the cause 173 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:51,959 and sign a billion-year contract, 174 00:08:51,993 --> 00:08:55,629 which I did when I was-- you know, as soon as I could. 175 00:08:55,663 --> 00:08:58,715 I left skid marks getting to that billion-year contract. 176 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,451 You thought you were doing something good, 177 00:09:01,469 --> 00:09:05,505 to have a positive effect on all of mankind. 178 00:09:05,557 --> 00:09:06,957 That's what Howard says. 179 00:09:07,008 --> 00:09:09,726 Everything you do for endless trillions of years 180 00:09:09,761 --> 00:09:13,096 depends on what you do here and now within Scientology. 181 00:09:21,305 --> 00:09:23,306 I began to ask this question, 182 00:09:23,324 --> 00:09:26,443 "What is man?" And I found, oddly enough, 183 00:09:26,477 --> 00:09:28,695 that nobody could tell me what man was. 184 00:09:28,746 --> 00:09:31,815 What did he consist of? Where was he going? 185 00:09:31,833 --> 00:09:34,835 What was he doing? 186 00:09:34,869 --> 00:09:37,487 To really know life, you've got to be part of life. 187 00:09:37,505 --> 00:09:39,006 You must get down and look. 188 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,493 You must get into the nooks and crannies of existence, 189 00:09:43,511 --> 00:09:46,430 the-- you have to rub elbows 190 00:09:46,464 --> 00:09:49,549 with all kinds and types of men 191 00:09:49,601 --> 00:09:52,102 before you can finally establish what he is. 192 00:09:52,136 --> 00:09:53,937 And you in fact did this? 193 00:09:53,972 --> 00:09:56,974 Yes, I've slept with bandits in Mongolia, 194 00:09:57,025 --> 00:10:00,894 and I've hunted with, uh, 195 00:10:00,945 --> 00:10:02,980 pygmies in the Philippines. 196 00:10:03,014 --> 00:10:08,852 Matter of fact, I've studied 21 different primitive races, 197 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:11,788 including the white race. 198 00:10:11,823 --> 00:10:16,026 And my conclusions were 199 00:10:16,060 --> 00:10:19,529 that man is a spiritual being 200 00:10:19,547 --> 00:10:22,499 that was pulled down to the material, 201 00:10:22,533 --> 00:10:25,201 the fleshly interests, 202 00:10:25,219 --> 00:10:29,372 to an interplay in life that was, in fact, 203 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:31,591 too great for him to confront. 204 00:10:31,643 --> 00:10:33,894 And I concluded, finally, 205 00:10:33,928 --> 00:10:35,929 that he needed a hand. 206 00:10:40,652 --> 00:10:42,719 To understand Scientology, 207 00:10:42,737 --> 00:10:45,355 you have to understand the life and mind of its inventor, 208 00:10:45,389 --> 00:10:46,907 L. Ron Hubbard. 209 00:10:46,941 --> 00:10:49,443 Hubbard was a prolific writer. 210 00:10:49,494 --> 00:10:51,862 He actually holds the "Guinness Book of World Records" 211 00:10:51,896 --> 00:10:53,563 for the number of books published-- 212 00:10:53,581 --> 00:10:55,365 more than 1,000. 213 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:58,919 Hubbard got his start in the Depression writing pulp fiction, 214 00:10:58,953 --> 00:11:00,787 named for the cheap paper used. 215 00:11:00,838 --> 00:11:02,923 Writers were paid a penny a word, 216 00:11:02,957 --> 00:11:05,742 so hey had to write a lot to make money. 217 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,761 Hubbard hammered away so fast 218 00:11:07,795 --> 00:11:09,596 on long rolls of butcher paper 219 00:11:09,630 --> 00:11:12,248 that he used to drop sweat on his typewriter. 220 00:11:15,419 --> 00:11:18,355 Hubbard's career took off when he began to write for a magazine 221 00:11:18,389 --> 00:11:21,141 called "Astounding Science Fiction." 222 00:11:21,192 --> 00:11:24,861 Along with authors like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein, 223 00:11:24,896 --> 00:11:27,030 Hubbard wrote stories with a sense of mission-- 224 00:11:27,065 --> 00:11:30,033 to get man to the stars. 225 00:11:33,654 --> 00:11:38,125 He found his true mรฉtier in science fiction. 226 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:41,578 And a lot of what Scientology is 227 00:11:41,612 --> 00:11:44,214 he had previously written about in the form 228 00:11:44,248 --> 00:11:46,083 of his science fiction. 229 00:11:46,117 --> 00:11:49,136 He had the ability to fabricate these amazing tales, 230 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:53,807 and he transported those imaginary stories 231 00:11:53,841 --> 00:11:56,476 into his theology. 232 00:12:02,650 --> 00:12:06,436 After Pearl Harbor, Hubbard took command of a sub chaser, 233 00:12:06,470 --> 00:12:09,272 but he was still a man prone to invention. 234 00:12:09,306 --> 00:12:12,642 He would write that he sunk two Japanese subs, 235 00:12:12,660 --> 00:12:14,945 but, in fact, just off the coast of Oregon, 236 00:12:14,979 --> 00:12:17,647 he opened fire on what turned out to be a log 237 00:12:17,665 --> 00:12:19,666 and dropped most of his depth chargers 238 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:22,919 on underwater magnetic rocks. 239 00:12:22,954 --> 00:12:25,488 When he accidentally shelled a Mexican island, 240 00:12:25,506 --> 00:12:28,675 he was relieved of his command. 241 00:12:30,428 --> 00:12:31,661 After the war, 242 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,213 Hubbard ended up in Los Angeles 243 00:12:33,264 --> 00:12:37,667 where he settled in with a small group of seekers and visionaries. 244 00:12:37,685 --> 00:12:40,720 A guy named Jack Parsons, a fascinating man, 245 00:12:40,772 --> 00:12:44,274 was one of the founders of the jet-propulsion laboratory. 246 00:12:44,308 --> 00:12:47,778 And there's actually a crater on the moon named after Jack. 247 00:12:47,812 --> 00:12:50,647 He was a significant scientific figure, 248 00:12:50,681 --> 00:12:52,949 but he was also the head honcho 249 00:12:52,984 --> 00:12:54,317 in this black magic cult. 250 00:12:54,351 --> 00:12:56,853 It was called the O.T.O., 251 00:12:56,871 --> 00:12:59,355 or the Ordo Templi Orientis. 252 00:12:59,373 --> 00:13:03,076 They followed the teachings of Aleister Crowley, 253 00:13:03,127 --> 00:13:07,330 a famous sexual magic figure in England. 254 00:13:07,364 --> 00:13:10,667 Parsons had a mansion in Pasadena. 255 00:13:10,718 --> 00:13:12,552 They would have ceremonies, 256 00:13:12,587 --> 00:13:15,255 and they were seeking some sort of goddess figure 257 00:13:15,306 --> 00:13:17,040 that he could impregnate 258 00:13:17,058 --> 00:13:19,676 in order to create the Antichrist. 259 00:13:19,727 --> 00:13:24,431 Hubbard moved in and became Parsons' assistant. 260 00:13:25,516 --> 00:13:27,684 One night, this beautiful redhead 261 00:13:27,718 --> 00:13:30,854 named Marjorie Cameron showed up at the door. 262 00:13:30,888 --> 00:13:34,274 She was perfectly willing to engage in this sexual ritual 263 00:13:34,325 --> 00:13:37,744 in order, supposedly, to produce the Antichrist. 264 00:13:37,778 --> 00:13:39,946 She and Jack eventually got married. 265 00:13:39,997 --> 00:13:43,333 That happened after Hubbard ran off with Jack's girlfriend, 266 00:13:43,367 --> 00:13:45,202 Sara Northrup. 267 00:13:46,337 --> 00:13:47,537 Scientology and Hubbard 268 00:13:47,571 --> 00:13:49,072 would later refuse to acknowledge 269 00:13:49,090 --> 00:13:51,091 his relationship with Sara. 270 00:13:51,125 --> 00:13:53,543 But we uncovered Sara's own recollections 271 00:13:53,577 --> 00:13:55,712 of her time with Hubbard. 272 00:13:57,548 --> 00:14:00,317 He was 13 years older than I was. 273 00:14:00,351 --> 00:14:02,602 I thought he was a great war hero, 274 00:14:02,687 --> 00:14:06,256 a captain of a ship that had been downed in the Pacific. 275 00:14:06,274 --> 00:14:08,525 And he was weeks on a raft, 276 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,427 and he'd been blinded by the sun, 277 00:14:10,461 --> 00:14:12,612 and his back had been broken. 278 00:14:12,647 --> 00:14:14,764 All these things were complete lies, 279 00:14:14,782 --> 00:14:17,033 but I didn't know it at the time. 280 00:14:17,068 --> 00:14:19,336 I believed every word of it. 281 00:14:19,370 --> 00:14:22,789 - If only Sara had seen - Hubbard's military records. 282 00:14:22,823 --> 00:14:24,708 In a 900-page file, 283 00:14:24,742 --> 00:14:28,411 Hubbard's activities are laid out in extraordinary detail. 284 00:14:28,445 --> 00:14:31,114 Hubbard told people that he had been blinded and crippled 285 00:14:31,132 --> 00:14:33,583 during the war, and the practices that would form 286 00:14:33,617 --> 00:14:36,786 the basis of Scientology had cured him. 287 00:14:36,804 --> 00:14:39,055 But his records show that his only wounds 288 00:14:39,090 --> 00:14:42,225 were mild arthritis and conjunctivitis. 289 00:14:45,796 --> 00:14:48,231 We had this terrible fight, 290 00:14:48,266 --> 00:14:50,967 and he told me he was going to commit suicide 291 00:14:50,985 --> 00:14:52,969 if I didn't marry him. 292 00:14:52,987 --> 00:14:55,188 I really believed him, 293 00:14:55,239 --> 00:14:57,657 so we got married. 294 00:14:59,860 --> 00:15:03,830 We spent the winter in that lighthouse on the lake in the Poconos. 295 00:15:03,864 --> 00:15:05,782 I remember one awful night, 296 00:15:05,816 --> 00:15:08,285 when I was asleep and he was out typing... 297 00:15:08,319 --> 00:15:10,987 and he hit me across the side of the head 298 00:15:11,005 --> 00:15:12,622 with a .45... 299 00:15:12,656 --> 00:15:15,125 because I was smiling in my sleep, 300 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:17,844 and he said I was thinking about somebody else. 301 00:15:17,878 --> 00:15:20,297 I got up, left the house, 302 00:15:20,331 --> 00:15:22,599 and walked on the ice of the lake. 303 00:15:22,633 --> 00:15:24,801 I was terrified. 304 00:15:24,835 --> 00:15:26,603 He always said that he would kill me 305 00:15:26,637 --> 00:15:28,939 rather than let me leave him. 306 00:15:31,943 --> 00:15:34,778 The only good thing I got from Ron 307 00:15:34,812 --> 00:15:37,030 was my baby. 308 00:15:42,653 --> 00:15:44,454 We moved to Elizabeth, New Jersey, 309 00:15:44,488 --> 00:15:46,856 and he started writing "Dianetics." 310 00:15:46,874 --> 00:15:48,992 The book was conceived 311 00:15:49,026 --> 00:15:51,361 and he started working on it in 1950. 312 00:15:51,379 --> 00:15:55,715 He said many times that the only way to make any real money 313 00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:57,334 was to have a religion. 314 00:15:57,368 --> 00:16:00,887 That's essentially what he was trying to do with "Dianetics" -- 315 00:16:00,921 --> 00:16:04,090 get a religion where he could have an income 316 00:16:04,141 --> 00:16:06,509 and the government wouldn't take it away from him 317 00:16:06,543 --> 00:16:08,678 in the form of taxes. 318 00:16:12,650 --> 00:16:14,884 "Dianetics" was an immense success. 319 00:16:14,902 --> 00:16:17,737 From the moment it was published in 1950, 320 00:16:17,772 --> 00:16:21,992 it swept through America and other countries around the world. 321 00:16:22,026 --> 00:16:25,111 This book-- that's the background of all of this. 322 00:16:25,162 --> 00:16:26,413 That's what started all the trouble. 323 00:16:26,447 --> 00:16:30,834 We expected this to sell about 6,000 copies, 324 00:16:30,868 --> 00:16:33,903 and it hit the top of the bestseller list of "The New York Times" 325 00:16:33,921 --> 00:16:36,539 and just stayed there, month in, month out. 326 00:16:36,590 --> 00:16:38,741 It was like I started an avalanche. 327 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:41,744 The Modern Science of Mental Health" 328 00:16:41,762 --> 00:16:45,799 is considered to be the fundamental text, 329 00:16:45,850 --> 00:16:50,487 which is the foundation upon which all else is built. 330 00:16:52,289 --> 00:16:54,557 One of the theories of "Dianetics" 331 00:16:54,592 --> 00:16:58,261 is to discover these things that are very traumatic 332 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:00,063 or have been very upsetting to you, 333 00:17:00,097 --> 00:17:03,066 and if you can observe 334 00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:05,285 exactly what happened, 335 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,271 the power of that incident 336 00:17:08,289 --> 00:17:10,323 to influence you today 337 00:17:10,374 --> 00:17:12,625 is removed. 338 00:17:13,777 --> 00:17:15,879 The concept of "Dianetics" 339 00:17:15,913 --> 00:17:18,882 is that you have two sides of your mind. 340 00:17:18,916 --> 00:17:21,384 There is the analytical side, 341 00:17:21,419 --> 00:17:23,720 which is a perfect computer. 342 00:17:23,754 --> 00:17:26,289 It remembers everything. It's flawless. 343 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:28,308 It never makes a mistake. 344 00:17:28,342 --> 00:17:30,793 And then there's a reactive side. 345 00:17:30,811 --> 00:17:34,147 And this is where all your neuroses, anxieties, 346 00:17:34,181 --> 00:17:35,432 and fears are stored. 347 00:17:35,466 --> 00:17:38,801 And where do they come from? They come from engrams. 348 00:17:38,819 --> 00:17:42,021 An engram is like a memory. 349 00:17:42,073 --> 00:17:43,940 A man has an automobile accident. 350 00:17:43,974 --> 00:17:45,692 He has a picture of an automobile accident. 351 00:17:45,743 --> 00:17:47,643 He has all the sensations of having been hurt 352 00:17:47,661 --> 00:17:50,313 in the automobile accident. It takes him a long time to recover, 353 00:17:50,331 --> 00:17:52,332 because he's still wearing the automobile accident. 354 00:17:52,366 --> 00:17:53,583 If you said, "Hey, why don't you take 355 00:17:53,617 --> 00:17:55,785 "this automobile accident and throw it away?" 356 00:17:55,819 --> 00:17:57,337 Well, all of a sudden, he recovers 357 00:17:57,371 --> 00:17:59,372 from the automobile accident, naturally, 358 00:17:59,423 --> 00:18:01,674 because the thing that's keeping it impressed upon him 359 00:18:01,709 --> 00:18:04,127 and his body is his mind. 360 00:18:06,297 --> 00:18:09,132 An auditor is a practitioner in Scientology. 361 00:18:09,183 --> 00:18:11,834 He listens and he computes. 362 00:18:11,852 --> 00:18:14,187 We have a meter. 363 00:18:14,221 --> 00:18:16,506 A meter simply shows 364 00:18:16,524 --> 00:18:18,975 where an individual is aberrated. 365 00:18:19,009 --> 00:18:22,228 The E-meter is a very powerful instrument. 366 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,647 It's one-third of a lie detector. 367 00:18:24,681 --> 00:18:28,684 A lie detector would also measure your respiration and pulse. 368 00:18:28,702 --> 00:18:31,204 There's two cans 369 00:18:31,238 --> 00:18:32,789 and there's electrical wires 370 00:18:32,823 --> 00:18:34,991 carrying an undetectable amount of current 371 00:18:35,025 --> 00:18:37,410 into a meter with a needle on it. 372 00:18:37,461 --> 00:18:39,996 According to the Church of Scientology, 373 00:18:40,030 --> 00:18:43,166 it actually detects the mass of your thoughts, 374 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,635 although there's no evidence that thoughts have mass. 375 00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:48,037 The current passes through your body, 376 00:18:48,055 --> 00:18:52,058 and as your mental mass increases, 377 00:18:52,092 --> 00:18:55,311 so does the resistance to the circuit. 378 00:18:55,346 --> 00:18:59,098 So the auditor will ask you a question, 379 00:18:59,150 --> 00:19:01,434 "Tell me about an upset with your mother." 380 00:19:01,485 --> 00:19:03,269 "What's truly bothering you about being with, you know, 381 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,405 "with your wife's behavior? What is it?" 382 00:19:05,439 --> 00:19:07,056 "Why are you upset today?" 383 00:19:07,074 --> 00:19:09,659 "Well, I had a fight with my wife." 384 00:19:09,693 --> 00:19:11,411 "Well, I can see." 385 00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:13,329 "That there-- was that the same thought?" 386 00:19:13,364 --> 00:19:14,497 "Say that again." 387 00:19:14,532 --> 00:19:18,334 And gradually, the needle will have less response. 388 00:19:18,369 --> 00:19:21,454 And in that manner, you discharge the emotion. 389 00:19:21,505 --> 00:19:24,907 Then you're asked to go back to earlier incidents 390 00:19:24,925 --> 00:19:26,926 that were like that. 391 00:19:26,961 --> 00:19:29,245 And you might say, "Well, my mother spoke to me 392 00:19:29,263 --> 00:19:31,431 "in the same scolding tone of voice." 393 00:19:31,465 --> 00:19:33,633 And you recount that story, 394 00:19:33,684 --> 00:19:36,919 and eventually, you discharge the emotion. 395 00:19:36,937 --> 00:19:40,089 And that's very much like Freudian therapy. 396 00:19:40,107 --> 00:19:42,725 But with Scientology, 397 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,061 then they'll ask further. 398 00:19:45,095 --> 00:19:48,064 "Well, that's as far back as I go." 399 00:19:48,115 --> 00:19:49,616 Well, maybe not. 400 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:53,870 The auditor might say, "Something just registered on the meter. 401 00:19:53,904 --> 00:19:55,405 "What was that?" 402 00:19:55,439 --> 00:19:57,773 "I had an image in my mind." 403 00:19:57,791 --> 00:19:59,492 "Well, what was the image?" 404 00:19:59,543 --> 00:20:01,211 "It was a barn." 405 00:20:01,245 --> 00:20:03,746 "Are you inside the barn? Go back to that image. 406 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:06,633 "Okay, open the door. What do you see?" 407 00:20:06,667 --> 00:20:10,720 "Well, it looks like 19th Century France." 408 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:15,258 You walk outside and you see 409 00:20:15,292 --> 00:20:17,927 the people dressed in their costumes, 410 00:20:18,012 --> 00:20:20,980 and the E-meter is saying this is real. 411 00:20:21,015 --> 00:20:22,632 This is a real memory. 412 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:26,269 It's just as real as those other memories that you had. 413 00:20:27,821 --> 00:20:30,523 Beautiful little soft needle, and everything's good. 414 00:20:30,574 --> 00:20:34,661 Needle's rising, which means he's getting, you know, 415 00:20:34,695 --> 00:20:37,530 thinking a lot. The needle just, like, goes "pfft," 416 00:20:37,581 --> 00:20:39,616 like a lot of shit blows away. 417 00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:43,536 The theta bop, which is a very quick little thing like, "doo doo doo," 418 00:20:43,587 --> 00:20:45,788 which means exteriorization. 419 00:20:47,341 --> 00:20:50,927 When you come out of an auditing session, 420 00:20:50,961 --> 00:20:53,546 you feel euphoric. 421 00:20:53,597 --> 00:20:57,183 That confessional nature makes you feel better. 422 00:20:57,218 --> 00:20:59,886 Somebody would say, "Oh, you're going to have a session." 423 00:20:59,937 --> 00:21:01,888 I would feel better just hearing that. 424 00:21:01,939 --> 00:21:05,007 Man is asleep. 425 00:21:05,025 --> 00:21:07,176 He is hypnotized. 426 00:21:07,194 --> 00:21:10,446 Now in Scientology, reverse the process, 427 00:21:10,481 --> 00:21:12,949 and you'll make him wake up. 428 00:21:12,983 --> 00:21:15,702 Such a man becomes un-brainwashed, you might say. 429 00:21:15,736 --> 00:21:17,453 He becomes unhypnotized. 430 00:21:17,488 --> 00:21:19,522 This sounds, Mr. Hubbard, in a sense, 431 00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:23,076 like an extension of psychology or psychiatry. 432 00:21:23,127 --> 00:21:26,713 Oh, no, psychiatry has to do with the insane, 433 00:21:26,747 --> 00:21:29,666 and we have nothing to do with the insane whatsoever. 434 00:21:29,717 --> 00:21:31,968 Is this is a form of psychoanalysis? 435 00:21:32,002 --> 00:21:34,053 No, psychoanalysis, they lay back and-- 436 00:21:34,088 --> 00:21:37,640 Don't associate Scientology with such people. 437 00:21:37,675 --> 00:21:41,060 That's terrible. That's bad manners, you know? 438 00:21:41,095 --> 00:21:44,731 When L. Ron Hubbard first wrote "Dianetics," 439 00:21:44,765 --> 00:21:48,434 he thought it was a tremendous psychological breakthrough, 440 00:21:48,485 --> 00:21:50,853 so much so that he would be recognized. 441 00:21:50,887 --> 00:21:55,908 He wrote letters to the American Psychological Association. 442 00:21:55,943 --> 00:21:59,729 They couldn't make heads or tail of his ideas. 443 00:21:59,747 --> 00:22:01,914 To them, it was like psychological folk art. 444 00:22:01,949 --> 00:22:05,451 For instance, he would talk about "clear." 445 00:22:05,502 --> 00:22:08,121 That means that the individual 446 00:22:08,172 --> 00:22:10,256 has erased his reactive mind-- 447 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:12,625 his unconscious mind is gone-- 448 00:22:12,676 --> 00:22:14,927 and he is totally alert 449 00:22:14,962 --> 00:22:16,929 and totally capable. 450 00:22:16,964 --> 00:22:20,249 Once you've taken away all these traumatic memories, 451 00:22:20,267 --> 00:22:22,885 from this life and previous ones, 452 00:22:22,919 --> 00:22:24,387 then you are clear. 453 00:22:24,421 --> 00:22:27,223 Someone who had a perfect memory, 454 00:22:27,257 --> 00:22:30,109 who was never ill. 455 00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:31,861 Your eyesight would be better. 456 00:22:31,895 --> 00:22:34,063 We tested people before Scientology processing 457 00:22:34,097 --> 00:22:35,898 and after Scientology processing, 458 00:22:35,932 --> 00:22:38,618 and uniformly found that their IQ had raised. 459 00:22:38,652 --> 00:22:40,703 We are making such individuals, 460 00:22:40,738 --> 00:22:44,407 we're making them regularly, and we're making them routinely. 461 00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,212 An overt act is an effort to individuate. 462 00:22:49,246 --> 00:22:51,964 It is a withhold of oneself... 463 00:22:51,999 --> 00:22:53,949 Ron gave lectures everywhere 464 00:22:53,967 --> 00:22:57,970 for large amounts of money, and money just started pouring in. 465 00:22:58,005 --> 00:23:00,256 I mean, these people were paying 466 00:23:00,290 --> 00:23:03,309 $500 apiece in the 1950s 467 00:23:03,343 --> 00:23:05,311 for training in "Dianetics." 468 00:23:05,345 --> 00:23:08,064 I felt that he was stealing from people 469 00:23:08,098 --> 00:23:10,316 and that he was hoodwinking them. 470 00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:13,319 All the business of sitting, holding hands, 471 00:23:13,353 --> 00:23:16,639 and putting all these false memories into people's minds... 472 00:23:16,657 --> 00:23:19,025 then they would finally come along and say, 473 00:23:19,076 --> 00:23:21,994 "Oh, yes, I can remember it all." 474 00:23:25,949 --> 00:23:28,818 We were surrounded by sycophants. 475 00:23:28,836 --> 00:23:32,672 He began to believe that he was a savior and hero, 476 00:23:32,706 --> 00:23:36,175 that he really was this God figure. 477 00:23:38,995 --> 00:23:40,763 He was absolutely convinced 478 00:23:40,798 --> 00:23:44,467 that he had the cure for the psychological ills of mankind, 479 00:23:44,501 --> 00:23:48,171 and that the only reason that it wasn't being propagated far and wide 480 00:23:48,205 --> 00:23:50,840 was that the medical profession had a vested interest 481 00:23:50,858 --> 00:23:53,309 in keeping people sick. 482 00:23:53,343 --> 00:23:55,311 I think he was afraid that some psychiatrists 483 00:23:55,345 --> 00:23:57,780 would pop him into an institution. 484 00:23:57,815 --> 00:24:02,068 He degenerated into a really paranoid, 485 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,854 terrifying person. 486 00:24:04,872 --> 00:24:06,906 Sara threatened to leave Hubbard 487 00:24:06,957 --> 00:24:08,541 unless he got psychiatric help. 488 00:24:08,575 --> 00:24:11,360 He responded by kidnapping their baby 489 00:24:11,378 --> 00:24:13,379 and taking her to Cuba. 490 00:24:13,413 --> 00:24:15,965 He was incapable of taking care of her, 491 00:24:15,999 --> 00:24:19,135 so he put her in the charge of a mother and daughter 492 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:21,254 who were both mentally retarded. 493 00:24:21,305 --> 00:24:23,639 And they apparently kept her in some kind of cage. 494 00:24:23,674 --> 00:24:27,643 He called me and told me that he had killed her. 495 00:24:27,678 --> 00:24:30,379 He said he had cut her into little pieces 496 00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:32,148 and dropped the pieces in a river, 497 00:24:32,182 --> 00:24:34,267 and it was my fault. 498 00:24:34,318 --> 00:24:37,270 Then he'd call me back and say that she was still alive. 499 00:24:37,321 --> 00:24:40,406 And this went on and on and on. 500 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,242 When Hubbard came back to the U.S., 501 00:24:43,277 --> 00:24:45,578 Sara persuaded him to agree to a divorce 502 00:24:45,612 --> 00:24:47,864 and give her custody of their daughter. 503 00:24:47,898 --> 00:24:49,832 When I left him, he cleaned out 504 00:24:49,867 --> 00:24:51,284 all the joint bank accounts 505 00:24:51,335 --> 00:24:54,420 so that I wouldn't have any money. 506 00:24:54,505 --> 00:24:57,623 Hubbard soon lost all his money, too. 507 00:24:57,674 --> 00:25:00,927 "Dianetics" proved to be a passing fad, like the hula hoop. 508 00:25:00,961 --> 00:25:03,596 But Hubbard still had his imagination. 509 00:25:03,631 --> 00:25:05,882 So he repackaged the ideas of "Dianetics" 510 00:25:05,916 --> 00:25:08,467 into a religion called Scientology. 511 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:12,772 Hubbard added more science and more structure. 512 00:25:12,806 --> 00:25:15,558 Along with the E-meters came a payment plan. 513 00:25:15,592 --> 00:25:19,395 Every step to "clear" had a price tag. 514 00:25:19,446 --> 00:25:21,864 How would you describe your business model? 515 00:25:21,899 --> 00:25:25,151 Rapacious. 516 00:25:25,202 --> 00:25:27,537 It's all about making money. 517 00:25:27,571 --> 00:25:30,540 Hubbard, from the beginning, knew that 518 00:25:30,574 --> 00:25:33,976 people would pay for this counseling at a pretty good clip, 519 00:25:34,011 --> 00:25:37,797 and so he continued to come out with more and more levels. 520 00:25:37,831 --> 00:25:41,717 The real money was in paying for these higher and higher courses. 521 00:25:41,752 --> 00:25:43,753 They were getting into thousands of dollars. 522 00:25:43,787 --> 00:25:46,055 Those prices kept going up and up. 523 00:25:46,089 --> 00:25:48,841 That's really where Scientology begins 524 00:25:48,892 --> 00:25:50,927 to create this indoctrination, 525 00:25:50,961 --> 00:25:52,795 is, "It's Hubbard that came up with that, 526 00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:55,314 "only Hubbard, and you have to be a part of our group 527 00:25:55,349 --> 00:25:58,768 "to get that spiritual satisfaction you were looking for." 528 00:25:58,819 --> 00:26:00,636 The Hubbard College of Scientology, 529 00:26:00,654 --> 00:26:04,106 Qualifications Division, Department of Certifications and Awards 530 00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:06,976 does hereby certify that Anthony A. Phillips 531 00:26:06,994 --> 00:26:09,278 has obtained the state of clear. 532 00:26:11,198 --> 00:26:14,417 As more members paid for Hubbard's Bridge to total freedom, 533 00:26:14,451 --> 00:26:18,037 the church's coffers swelled with hundreds of millions of dollars. 534 00:26:18,121 --> 00:26:20,990 From the beginning, Hubbard tried to shelter that revenue 535 00:26:21,008 --> 00:26:22,875 from any government taxes. 536 00:26:22,926 --> 00:26:24,961 The founding Church of Scientology 537 00:26:24,995 --> 00:26:28,431 attempted in 1967 to get a court determination 538 00:26:28,465 --> 00:26:30,800 that it was exempt from federal taxation 539 00:26:30,834 --> 00:26:34,336 on the basis that it was a nonprofit religious organization. 540 00:26:34,354 --> 00:26:37,523 A federal court denied the founding church tax exemption, 541 00:26:37,557 --> 00:26:42,011 saying that some of the church's earnings from 1955 to 1959 542 00:26:42,029 --> 00:26:45,948 were used for the personal benefit of private individuals-- 543 00:26:45,983 --> 00:26:48,350 L. Ron Hubbard and family. 544 00:26:48,368 --> 00:26:52,488 "ABC News" has repeatedly requested interviews with Mr. Hubbard. 545 00:26:52,522 --> 00:26:54,991 We have been told that he is unavailable. 546 00:27:11,608 --> 00:27:14,210 It was very exciting. 547 00:27:14,244 --> 00:27:18,597 It was that heady mix of emotion and belief, 548 00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:21,817 and it's-- you get stuck to it. 549 00:27:21,852 --> 00:27:25,855 It's so strong that it sticks you like glue, 550 00:27:25,889 --> 00:27:28,124 and there's no way you can get away from it. 551 00:27:29,192 --> 00:27:31,293 I was deeply convinced 552 00:27:31,328 --> 00:27:33,729 that we were going to save the world. 553 00:27:33,764 --> 00:27:38,284 I considered myself tremendously fortunate 554 00:27:38,335 --> 00:27:40,369 to be in that position. 555 00:27:41,922 --> 00:27:44,406 Out of the blue one day, 556 00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:46,292 I received this envelope 557 00:27:46,343 --> 00:27:49,745 with an invitation to join the Sea Project. 558 00:27:49,763 --> 00:27:52,281 It was completely confidential. 559 00:27:52,315 --> 00:27:55,051 I wasn't to tell anyone about it, 560 00:27:55,085 --> 00:27:58,771 and I was so ecstatic. 561 00:27:58,805 --> 00:28:01,607 Here was a chance to work with Hubbard. 562 00:28:01,641 --> 00:28:04,143 And I signed, "Yes!" 563 00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:08,263 I was on my way to the greatest adventure in my life. 564 00:28:08,281 --> 00:28:13,152 We had an overnight flight to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands, 565 00:28:13,203 --> 00:28:16,906 where we found, at about 6:00 in the morning, 566 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:20,209 we were taxied down to a dock. 567 00:28:20,244 --> 00:28:22,962 We had to climb up this rickety ladder, 568 00:28:22,996 --> 00:28:25,247 all the way up to the ship, 569 00:28:25,281 --> 00:28:27,750 and we couldn't believe this was where we were going. 570 00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:31,087 This ship was a rusty hulk. 571 00:28:31,121 --> 00:28:34,590 I was given a dirty old jumpsuit to get into, 572 00:28:34,624 --> 00:28:38,394 missing one arm and the other one was almost half torn off, 573 00:28:38,428 --> 00:28:42,598 and put to work. We had to scrub the ship and clean out the ship, 574 00:28:42,632 --> 00:28:46,235 which was arduous, strenuous work, 575 00:28:46,269 --> 00:28:47,937 in the heat. 576 00:28:47,971 --> 00:28:50,156 Hubbard came to the ship every day, 577 00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:54,276 smoking cigarettes and surveying his kingdom. 578 00:28:54,327 --> 00:28:56,979 After dinner, he'd come and join us 579 00:28:56,997 --> 00:28:59,198 on the well deck. 580 00:28:59,249 --> 00:29:01,483 There he was, you know, right amongst us, 581 00:29:01,501 --> 00:29:03,285 talking to us. 582 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,039 He would be his most magnificent self 583 00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:09,425 at those times. 584 00:29:09,459 --> 00:29:12,995 He'd lean back, he'd look up at the cosmos, 585 00:29:13,013 --> 00:29:16,382 and he'd point out galaxies 586 00:29:16,433 --> 00:29:18,267 and constellations, 587 00:29:18,301 --> 00:29:21,187 and he'd say, "The Fifth Invaders are up there, 588 00:29:21,221 --> 00:29:24,106 "and this is how they dressed and this is how they talk. 589 00:29:24,141 --> 00:29:26,725 "And see that blip across the sky over there?" 590 00:29:26,777 --> 00:29:30,679 He'd point it out, and we were all, "Yes, we see it, we see it." 591 00:29:30,697 --> 00:29:33,032 He'd say, "And that's one of their space vessels..." 592 00:29:33,066 --> 00:29:36,518 - And there was-- the Fourth - Invader force was here. 593 00:29:36,536 --> 00:29:39,238 The Fifth Invader Force came in. 594 00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:43,242 And the name of this solar system is Space Station 33. 595 00:29:43,293 --> 00:29:45,961 The Fourth Invader force had been there 596 00:29:45,996 --> 00:29:48,247 for God knows how many skillion years, 597 00:29:48,298 --> 00:29:49,715 had been sitting down... 598 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,084 ...and we'd sit there, spellbound. 599 00:29:52,135 --> 00:29:55,421 You could hear a pin drop on that ship. 600 00:29:55,472 --> 00:30:00,142 He had us emotionally captured and held 601 00:30:00,177 --> 00:30:03,729 right there in the palm of his hand where he wanted us. 602 00:30:03,763 --> 00:30:06,015 He had us right there. 603 00:30:07,984 --> 00:30:09,652 In the early '60s, 604 00:30:09,686 --> 00:30:12,354 Hubbard was under investigation in various countries. 605 00:30:12,388 --> 00:30:15,324 His solution was to take to the high seas. 606 00:30:15,358 --> 00:30:18,494 He made himself commodore of a fleet of three ships, 607 00:30:18,528 --> 00:30:20,429 a Scientology navy. 608 00:30:21,748 --> 00:30:23,249 To crew the vessels, 609 00:30:23,283 --> 00:30:24,900 he created the Sea Organization. 610 00:30:24,918 --> 00:30:27,203 The members of this so-called Sea Org 611 00:30:27,237 --> 00:30:29,622 would become the church's clergy. 612 00:30:29,673 --> 00:30:32,374 They began going from port to port 613 00:30:32,408 --> 00:30:35,294 in the Mediterranean, show up for a few days, 614 00:30:35,345 --> 00:30:37,763 and then go off-- sail off in some other direction. 615 00:30:37,797 --> 00:30:40,249 And a very enterprising reporter 616 00:30:40,267 --> 00:30:42,417 for Grenada Television in Britain 617 00:30:42,435 --> 00:30:43,752 tracked him down... 618 00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:45,521 Slate one, take one. 619 00:30:45,555 --> 00:30:47,556 That's one of the very few instances 620 00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:50,559 where Hubbard has actually appeared on camera. 621 00:30:51,728 --> 00:30:53,779 What are you actually doing 622 00:30:53,813 --> 00:30:55,648 on this ship now? 623 00:30:55,699 --> 00:30:58,767 I am studying ancient civilizations, 624 00:30:58,785 --> 00:31:02,204 trying to find what happened to them, 625 00:31:02,239 --> 00:31:04,740 finding out why they went... 626 00:31:04,774 --> 00:31:08,443 into a decline, why they died. 627 00:31:08,461 --> 00:31:12,464 Hubbard believed that he had lived various lives 628 00:31:12,499 --> 00:31:16,468 in the Mediterranean area as a Venetian prince, 629 00:31:16,503 --> 00:31:18,804 as an Italian prince. 630 00:31:18,838 --> 00:31:20,673 As a matter of fact, it's quite interesting 631 00:31:20,724 --> 00:31:23,458 that exercises can be conducted, 632 00:31:23,476 --> 00:31:26,312 which demonstrate conclusively that there are memories 633 00:31:26,346 --> 00:31:28,430 which exist prior to this life. 634 00:31:28,465 --> 00:31:31,901 He had buried treasure all around the coastline, 635 00:31:31,935 --> 00:31:36,488 and he wanted to go find all these caches of treasure. 636 00:31:36,523 --> 00:31:39,775 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 637 00:31:39,809 --> 00:31:43,145 Whatever was his whim, we did. 638 00:31:43,179 --> 00:31:45,114 We would have died for the old man. 639 00:31:46,416 --> 00:31:47,816 Don't you wake up sometimes 640 00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:50,452 in the middle of the night and think to yourself, 641 00:31:50,486 --> 00:31:52,788 "Well, I've been on this ship with a whole lot 642 00:31:52,822 --> 00:31:55,324 "of Scientologists who believe I'm fantastic..." 643 00:31:55,342 --> 00:31:57,259 They don't believe I'm fantastic. 644 00:31:57,294 --> 00:32:02,014 If you saw the number of times they don't follow my orders... 645 00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:05,834 LRH started to devise 646 00:32:05,852 --> 00:32:08,771 a system of penalties or punishments 647 00:32:08,805 --> 00:32:10,389 or what he called ethics. 648 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,309 And one of the penalties for the auditors 649 00:32:13,343 --> 00:32:15,527 making mistakes in their auditing sessions 650 00:32:15,562 --> 00:32:17,730 was to be tossed overboard. 651 00:32:17,781 --> 00:32:20,399 "You have done such and such and such and such, 652 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:23,035 "and we commit your errors to the deep." 653 00:32:23,069 --> 00:32:26,322 And then just pushed overboard. 654 00:32:26,373 --> 00:32:29,541 30 feet, 35 feet, 655 00:32:47,177 --> 00:32:50,545 Do you ever think that you might be quite mad? 656 00:32:50,563 --> 00:32:52,881 Oh, yes! 657 00:32:52,899 --> 00:32:56,318 The one man in the world who never believes he's mad 658 00:32:56,353 --> 00:32:58,570 is the madman. 659 00:33:17,607 --> 00:33:20,609 So we got married a year and a half after we joined 660 00:33:20,643 --> 00:33:23,212 and moved to California. I wanted to be a writer, 661 00:33:23,246 --> 00:33:25,614 and my wife-- she was studying Scientology. 662 00:33:25,648 --> 00:33:28,150 We had a baby right away, and the only people 663 00:33:28,184 --> 00:33:30,252 we knew there were Scientologists. 664 00:33:30,286 --> 00:33:32,888 I was working as a furniture mover during the day 665 00:33:32,922 --> 00:33:35,591 and writing spec scripts at night. 666 00:33:35,625 --> 00:33:38,260 Then on the weekends, I'd be, you know, doing some auditing. 667 00:33:38,278 --> 00:33:40,062 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 668 00:33:40,113 --> 00:33:41,430 There was a social aspect to it too. 669 00:33:41,448 --> 00:33:42,898 You got to hang out with people. 670 00:33:42,932 --> 00:33:45,934 And there were some interesting people, nice people. 671 00:33:45,952 --> 00:33:47,953 These are all people who are looking to improve their life. 672 00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:12,895 While Hubbard was hiding from public view, 673 00:34:12,929 --> 00:34:15,964 he was very active in directing the operations of the church, 674 00:34:15,982 --> 00:34:18,100 particularly in Hollywood. 675 00:34:18,134 --> 00:34:20,602 This was just after the Haight-Ashbury era. 676 00:34:20,636 --> 00:34:23,272 And what Scientology was selling itself is, 677 00:34:23,306 --> 00:34:25,741 "Get high without drugs." 678 00:34:25,775 --> 00:34:28,994 It was a place where people went and explored ideas, 679 00:34:29,028 --> 00:34:31,830 and you would often see famous people-- 680 00:34:31,865 --> 00:34:35,117 Leonard Cohen, members of the Grateful Dead, 681 00:34:35,151 --> 00:34:36,869 Rock Hudson. 682 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,538 So they built the Celebrity Centre. 683 00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:43,158 The idea was to draw in these famous entertainers 684 00:34:43,176 --> 00:34:47,262 and use them as pitchmen for the religion. 685 00:34:47,297 --> 00:34:49,098 In an industry like Hollywood, 686 00:34:49,132 --> 00:34:52,801 where stardom is such-- such an illusive quality, 687 00:34:52,836 --> 00:34:56,872 Scientology would offer a route to maybe feel a little bit more secure. 688 00:34:56,906 --> 00:34:59,975 And when you're trying to break in, you're also dealing with 689 00:35:00,009 --> 00:35:01,693 relentless rejection. 690 00:35:01,728 --> 00:35:03,612 And something that helps you stay focused 691 00:35:03,646 --> 00:35:06,198 and feel that you're improving yourself 692 00:35:06,232 --> 00:35:09,735 and becoming more clear, you can see the appeal of that. 693 00:35:09,786 --> 00:35:14,573 The beliefs and practices that I have studied in Scientology 694 00:35:14,624 --> 00:35:17,409 have been invaluable to me. 695 00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,495 Have you ever met Ron Hubbard? 696 00:35:19,546 --> 00:35:23,332 I'd love to. I'd be honored, because I think he's so brilliant. 697 00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:29,338 So when I worked at the Celebrity Centre, 698 00:35:29,372 --> 00:35:32,674 I would just, you know, recruit various people. 699 00:35:32,708 --> 00:35:36,812 Like Priscilla Presley and of course John Travolta. 700 00:35:36,846 --> 00:35:39,932 Johnny-- he came, he started on course, 701 00:35:39,983 --> 00:35:42,518 and he was so fun and outrageous. 702 00:35:42,552 --> 00:35:45,787 And he just made a party wherever he was. 703 00:35:45,822 --> 00:35:48,073 John Travolta was a young actor 704 00:35:48,107 --> 00:35:51,393 in his very first movie. 705 00:35:51,411 --> 00:35:53,745 He was a troubled young man, 706 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:55,247 and he was looking for help. 707 00:35:55,281 --> 00:35:59,284 A fellow actor gave him a little bit of Scientology counseling. 708 00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:01,086 She gave him a copy of "Dianetics," 709 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,372 and he was transported by this. 710 00:36:03,406 --> 00:36:04,739 He would go out on his auditions, 711 00:36:04,757 --> 00:36:06,241 and no matter what he went out for, 712 00:36:06,259 --> 00:36:09,094 he would get it. 713 00:36:09,128 --> 00:36:11,430 A Band-Aid commercial, right away he booked that. 714 00:36:11,464 --> 00:36:12,931 Now the Army starts you... 715 00:36:12,966 --> 00:36:14,466 He was booking everything, 716 00:36:14,517 --> 00:36:16,768 and then he went up for a series. 717 00:36:16,803 --> 00:36:18,270 Of course, he books it. 718 00:36:18,304 --> 00:36:20,806 And it's a big series-- "Welcome Back, Kotter." 719 00:36:20,857 --> 00:36:22,608 Up your nose with a rubber hose! 720 00:36:24,611 --> 00:36:26,612 In the late '70s and early '80s, 721 00:36:26,646 --> 00:36:30,299 John Travolta was Scientology's biggest star. 722 00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:34,203 Spanky was assigned to be Travolta's key contact with the church, 723 00:36:34,237 --> 00:36:37,839 and she helped out with producers, fans, and the press. 724 00:36:37,874 --> 00:36:40,976 They became close, and when Spanky got married, 725 00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:42,711 Travolta was there. 726 00:36:42,745 --> 00:36:45,647 When Johnny first got into Scientology, 727 00:36:45,682 --> 00:36:47,799 he didn't even believe in himself that much. 728 00:36:47,834 --> 00:36:50,385 But he got injected with a lot of confidence, 729 00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:52,804 and then you get this phobia inducement 730 00:36:52,839 --> 00:36:55,924 that "If I leave, it's all going to go down the tubes." 731 00:36:55,958 --> 00:36:58,010 When you're in the organization, 732 00:36:58,061 --> 00:37:00,229 all the good that happens to you 733 00:37:00,263 --> 00:37:01,963 is because of Scientology, 734 00:37:01,981 --> 00:37:05,017 and everything that doesn't, that isn't good, is your fault. 735 00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:09,804 They sell it all in the beginning as something quite logical. 736 00:37:09,822 --> 00:37:12,441 Everything makes sense. 737 00:37:12,475 --> 00:37:14,910 And you're going up what they call the Bridge, 738 00:37:14,944 --> 00:37:17,029 you're dong this auditing, and this is good. 739 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,248 And the next one, well, it's not quite as good. 740 00:37:19,282 --> 00:37:22,117 It didn't quite make sense to you, but... 741 00:37:22,151 --> 00:37:24,953 you know, you've already paid for the next one, so you'll do that one. 742 00:37:27,006 --> 00:37:29,824 The Bridge-- it's a metaphor. 743 00:37:29,842 --> 00:37:32,327 You start here at the bottom of the Bridge 744 00:37:32,345 --> 00:37:34,179 and then you go to the top, so where it is-- 745 00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,348 it's an awareness scale. 746 00:37:36,382 --> 00:37:39,635 You start down here and you're not aware of anything, 747 00:37:39,669 --> 00:37:42,187 then you go up here and you're a lot more aware 748 00:37:42,221 --> 00:37:44,856 of who you are, 749 00:37:44,891 --> 00:37:49,311 your spirituality, your relationship to others. 750 00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:52,481 A person is supposed to become more able 751 00:37:52,515 --> 00:37:54,232 as they go up the Bridge. 752 00:37:54,284 --> 00:37:58,353 And then there are the OT levels-- 753 00:37:58,371 --> 00:38:00,038 Operating Thetan. 754 00:38:00,073 --> 00:38:02,190 And a thetan is a spiritual being. 755 00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:04,693 That's the soul of the person. 756 00:38:04,711 --> 00:38:07,329 And what level, over time, did you achieve? 757 00:38:07,363 --> 00:38:10,031 OT eight. That's the highest there is. 758 00:38:10,049 --> 00:38:12,551 You can't get any higher than OT eight. 759 00:38:12,585 --> 00:38:14,386 From the beginning, you hear these stories 760 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:17,222 people tell of these abilities they've been able to gain. 761 00:38:17,256 --> 00:38:20,875 It was always talked about, the people who were OT could read your mind, 762 00:38:20,893 --> 00:38:23,478 and they could move objects at will, 763 00:38:23,513 --> 00:38:27,516 and they could-- they were cause over matter, energy, space, and time, 764 00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:30,402 so it sounded damn good to me. 765 00:38:30,436 --> 00:38:32,887 I mean, I thought, "Wow, this is great." 766 00:38:32,905 --> 00:38:37,109 I finally get to OT three, 767 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,077 and they give me the secret materials, 768 00:38:39,112 --> 00:38:40,779 which I've been hearing about all this time. 769 00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:42,831 They're handwritten by Hubbard. 770 00:38:42,865 --> 00:38:45,417 You have to keep them in a locked briefcase, 771 00:38:45,451 --> 00:38:47,502 be very cautious, because they always said, 772 00:38:47,537 --> 00:38:49,538 "If this gets out, it's dangerous to people. 773 00:38:49,572 --> 00:38:53,709 "It could actually do them harm if they are not adequately prepared." 774 00:38:55,011 --> 00:38:57,412 And I read it. 775 00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:59,715 And... 776 00:38:59,749 --> 00:39:01,933 it doesn't make any sense. 777 00:39:01,968 --> 00:39:04,886 This gobbled story that didn't make sense. 778 00:39:04,937 --> 00:39:08,974 I remember for one fleeting second thinking, "Maybe it's an insanity test. 779 00:39:09,025 --> 00:39:10,776 "Maybe if you believe this, they kick you out. 780 00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:14,029 "You know, maybe that's it." That, of course, is not the case. 781 00:39:14,063 --> 00:39:17,366 They talk about, you know, the fact that the earth was created 782 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,735 in such-and-such trillions of years ago, 783 00:39:19,769 --> 00:39:22,988 and this guy-- Space Guy-- 784 00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,791 Galactic Overlord-- this was a prison planet, 785 00:39:25,825 --> 00:39:28,543 and people being caught, captured, 786 00:39:28,578 --> 00:39:30,245 and being brought to planet Earth... 787 00:39:30,279 --> 00:39:33,665 And put them in volcanoes and blowing them up with A-bombs. 788 00:39:33,716 --> 00:39:35,467 Whoa! 789 00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:37,952 I studied geography in school. 790 00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:41,289 Those volcanoes didn't exist 75 million years ago. 791 00:39:41,307 --> 00:39:44,459 And we have these lost souls all over us 792 00:39:44,477 --> 00:39:46,628 and we have to get rid of them, and I'm going, 793 00:39:46,646 --> 00:39:50,515 "What... the fuck are you talking about? 794 00:39:50,566 --> 00:39:53,151 "I mean, I'm down for the self-help stuff. 795 00:39:53,186 --> 00:39:54,686 "I'm down for-- okay, I can be clear. 796 00:39:54,737 --> 00:39:57,239 "I can get rid of the negative emotions. 797 00:39:57,273 --> 00:39:58,473 "But what the fuck is this?" 798 00:40:01,661 --> 00:40:04,579 When you get to the upper levels of Scientology, 799 00:40:04,614 --> 00:40:06,665 the creation myth is explained to you. 800 00:40:06,699 --> 00:40:11,203 The story is that 75 million years ago, 801 00:40:11,254 --> 00:40:13,822 people lived in a world very much like the world 802 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,458 of America in the 1950s. 803 00:40:16,492 --> 00:40:18,677 People, at that particular time and space, 804 00:40:18,711 --> 00:40:21,129 were walking around in clothes which looked 805 00:40:21,163 --> 00:40:24,883 very remarkably like the clothes they wear in this very minute. 806 00:40:24,934 --> 00:40:28,503 And the cars they drove looked exactly the same, 807 00:40:28,521 --> 00:40:32,057 and they walked down streets that looked like these streets. 808 00:40:32,108 --> 00:40:34,476 It was a very similar world 809 00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:35,811 and similar problems, 810 00:40:35,845 --> 00:40:38,146 one of which was overpopulation. 811 00:40:38,197 --> 00:40:39,898 They had elected a fellow 812 00:40:39,949 --> 00:40:42,851 by the name of Xenu to the supreme ruler. 813 00:40:42,869 --> 00:40:44,953 There was a tyrannical overlord 814 00:40:44,987 --> 00:40:47,689 of the galactic confederacy named Xenu. 815 00:40:47,707 --> 00:40:51,409 In order to resolve this problem of overpopulation, 816 00:40:51,461 --> 00:40:52,878 he called people in, 817 00:40:52,912 --> 00:40:55,380 ostensibly for tax audits, 818 00:40:55,414 --> 00:40:58,667 and had them frozen with injections 819 00:40:58,701 --> 00:41:00,702 of glycol to their heart. 820 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,338 Boxed them up in boxes, threw 'em into space planes-- 821 00:41:03,372 --> 00:41:06,258 DC-8 airplane is the exact copy 822 00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:09,261 of the space plane of that day. 823 00:41:09,312 --> 00:41:13,348 They were flown to the prison planet, Teegeeack-- 824 00:41:13,382 --> 00:41:14,850 it's actually the planet Earth-- 825 00:41:14,884 --> 00:41:19,771 and these frozen bodies were then dropped into volcanoes. 826 00:41:19,856 --> 00:41:21,990 And then they set off hydrogen bombs 827 00:41:22,024 --> 00:41:24,025 on the top of each volcano. 828 00:41:24,059 --> 00:41:26,328 And their disembodied spirits-- 829 00:41:26,362 --> 00:41:28,163 these are called thetans-- 830 00:41:28,197 --> 00:41:31,116 floated out, and they were captured 831 00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:34,286 and forced to sit in front of movie screens. 832 00:41:34,337 --> 00:41:37,873 with a 3D, super colossal, motion picture. 833 00:41:37,907 --> 00:41:39,925 They were shown images-- 834 00:41:39,959 --> 00:41:42,210 implants, as Hubbard would have it. 835 00:41:42,261 --> 00:41:43,929 Every man is shown crucified, 836 00:41:43,963 --> 00:41:46,598 so is the psychiatrist shown crucified. 837 00:41:46,632 --> 00:41:48,350 And that's how he gets away with what he gets away with. 838 00:41:48,384 --> 00:41:51,553 He electric-shocks people. 839 00:41:51,605 --> 00:41:54,422 And when a child is born, 840 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,809 a thetan will leap inside the child's body 841 00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:01,262 at that very instant, and it becomes like the child's soul. 842 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,616 More than one thetan might crowd into the body-- 843 00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:07,435 hundreds, or thousands, might. 844 00:42:07,453 --> 00:42:09,487 They're the source of all of our neurosis, 845 00:42:09,539 --> 00:42:11,039 fears, and anxieties. 846 00:42:13,075 --> 00:42:15,109 Then you are on the E-meter, 847 00:42:15,127 --> 00:42:16,494 by yourself, now. 848 00:42:16,546 --> 00:42:17,963 You're soloing. 849 00:42:17,997 --> 00:42:21,383 You're supposed to scan, mentally, 850 00:42:21,417 --> 00:42:23,802 from your top of your head to your toes, 851 00:42:23,836 --> 00:42:27,889 to see if you can locate any alien beings. 852 00:42:27,924 --> 00:42:31,292 And when you do, you tell them to go away. 853 00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:34,963 I kept on trying to audit. 854 00:42:34,981 --> 00:42:39,317 I could not figure out how I could have 855 00:42:39,352 --> 00:42:42,571 all these spirits of dead people attached to me, 856 00:42:42,605 --> 00:42:44,406 inside me, on me. 857 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,474 I was clear. 858 00:42:46,492 --> 00:42:49,027 For God's sake, I was clear. 859 00:42:49,078 --> 00:42:51,196 People actually have breakdowns, 860 00:42:51,247 --> 00:42:52,664 you know, nervous breakdowns, 861 00:42:52,698 --> 00:42:55,200 because they spend so much time thinking 862 00:42:55,251 --> 00:42:58,253 about being infested by these creatures. 863 00:42:58,287 --> 00:43:02,457 If you're really believing that, it can drive you crazy. 864 00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:16,521 Those years of introspection 865 00:43:16,555 --> 00:43:20,308 eventually led me to sincerely considering 866 00:43:20,342 --> 00:43:24,112 that I was so bad, 867 00:43:24,146 --> 00:43:28,650 that I couldn't confront how bad I was. 868 00:43:28,684 --> 00:43:31,236 I didn't know it at the time, 869 00:43:31,287 --> 00:43:34,489 but a depression set in that was with me for years, 870 00:43:34,523 --> 00:43:37,542 and the worst thing was 871 00:43:37,576 --> 00:43:41,746 that LRH kept ordering me to more auditing. 872 00:43:41,797 --> 00:43:45,333 I had to find swords that were stuck in me-- 873 00:43:45,367 --> 00:43:47,469 hypothetical swords, 874 00:43:47,503 --> 00:43:50,705 imaginary swords that were causing all this pain. 875 00:43:50,723 --> 00:43:53,642 This auditing went on and on. 876 00:43:53,676 --> 00:43:55,427 It wasn't doing any good. 877 00:43:55,478 --> 00:43:57,879 I should have been left alone. 878 00:43:57,897 --> 00:44:01,232 But everything that I took offense with, 879 00:44:01,267 --> 00:44:03,985 I rationalized almost immediately. 880 00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:05,787 I had to. 881 00:44:05,821 --> 00:44:09,691 I could not continue in this game of Scientology 882 00:44:09,725 --> 00:44:13,778 without explaining away what he was doing. 883 00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:18,333 It got to be a way of believing, 884 00:44:18,367 --> 00:44:22,587 and every one of us got into that. 885 00:44:22,621 --> 00:44:26,591 It was part of the mind control. 886 00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:30,295 It was part of the cultic manipulation. 887 00:44:30,346 --> 00:44:33,631 He was the master who did it to us, 888 00:44:33,683 --> 00:44:37,852 and we took it on and then we did it to ourselves. 889 00:44:37,887 --> 00:44:40,522 And I learned from it, 890 00:44:40,556 --> 00:44:43,725 that I would never ever again, 891 00:44:43,776 --> 00:44:46,394 you know, go-- do the bidding of a tyrant. 892 00:44:56,605 --> 00:44:59,974 Hubbard questioned his own sanity 893 00:45:00,009 --> 00:45:03,078 and actually wrote a letter to the Veteran's Administration 894 00:45:03,112 --> 00:45:04,946 asking for psychiatric help 895 00:45:04,964 --> 00:45:08,383 that he seems never to have been given. 896 00:45:08,417 --> 00:45:12,470 I think that his whole creation of Scientology 897 00:45:12,505 --> 00:45:14,789 really was a form of self-therapy. 898 00:45:14,807 --> 00:45:17,976 If he were just a fraud, then at some point, 899 00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:19,928 he would have taken the money and run, 900 00:45:19,962 --> 00:45:21,346 but he never did that. 901 00:45:21,397 --> 00:45:24,149 He spent much of his day on the E-meter, 902 00:45:24,183 --> 00:45:26,300 trying to understand what was going on 903 00:45:26,318 --> 00:45:28,136 inside his own mind. 904 00:45:29,855 --> 00:45:31,773 Hubbard became increasingly paranoid 905 00:45:31,807 --> 00:45:34,308 that a powerful thetan had infected his body 906 00:45:34,326 --> 00:45:36,277 and that regular auditing 907 00:45:36,311 --> 00:45:39,030 wasn't strong enough to make it leave. 908 00:45:39,081 --> 00:45:40,782 When Larry Wright was researching his book, 909 00:45:40,816 --> 00:45:43,451 he videotaped an interview with a Scientologist 910 00:45:43,485 --> 00:45:46,838 who was asked to help Hubbard expel the thetan. 911 00:45:46,872 --> 00:45:49,290 He was having, uh, problems 912 00:45:49,324 --> 00:45:52,377 getting rid of a BT-- body thetan-- 913 00:45:52,428 --> 00:45:55,096 so he wanted me to build a machine, 914 00:45:55,131 --> 00:45:57,632 and basically blow the thetan away, 915 00:45:57,683 --> 00:45:59,050 just get him out of there. 916 00:45:59,101 --> 00:46:01,686 Blow him out. And also kill the body. 917 00:46:04,056 --> 00:46:06,007 Basically, yeah. Yeah. 918 00:46:07,476 --> 00:46:09,177 But I didn't want to kill him. 919 00:46:09,211 --> 00:46:11,079 I just wanted to scare him. 920 00:46:11,113 --> 00:46:15,200 So I had read some books about Nikola Tesla and stuff, 921 00:46:15,234 --> 00:46:17,535 and I figured maybe buildin' a Tesla coil 922 00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:20,288 would probably be the best route to go. 923 00:46:21,957 --> 00:46:23,658 I had little electrodes 924 00:46:23,692 --> 00:46:25,577 that you hook it up to the E-meter, 925 00:46:25,628 --> 00:46:26,694 so when he's on the cans, 926 00:46:26,712 --> 00:46:28,830 then, uh, he would just flip the button, 927 00:46:28,864 --> 00:46:32,033 and it would do its thing. 928 00:46:35,221 --> 00:46:37,705 As far as I know. He blew up my E-meter. 929 00:46:37,723 --> 00:46:39,390 Burned it up. 930 00:46:42,061 --> 00:46:44,729 Scientology really is a journey 931 00:46:44,763 --> 00:46:47,182 into the mind of L. Ron Hubbard. 932 00:46:47,216 --> 00:46:50,401 And the further you get into it, 933 00:46:50,436 --> 00:46:53,738 the more like L. Ron Hubbard you become. 934 00:47:00,830 --> 00:47:04,365 Thank you. 935 00:47:04,416 --> 00:47:09,170 In 1980, LRH moved off the lines 936 00:47:09,205 --> 00:47:12,340 so that he could continue his writings 937 00:47:12,374 --> 00:47:15,543 and researches without any distractions. 938 00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:23,134 He has now moved on to his next OT-- 939 00:47:23,185 --> 00:47:25,687 level of OT research. 940 00:47:25,721 --> 00:47:29,090 This level is beyond anything any one of us ever imagined. 941 00:47:29,108 --> 00:47:31,893 This level is in fact done 942 00:47:31,927 --> 00:47:34,762 in an exterior state, 943 00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:37,198 meaning that it is done completely exterior 944 00:47:37,233 --> 00:47:39,200 from the body. 945 00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:42,103 At this level of OT, 946 00:47:42,121 --> 00:47:43,571 the body is nothing more 947 00:47:43,605 --> 00:47:46,274 than an impediment and encumbrance 948 00:47:46,292 --> 00:47:49,160 to any further gain as an OT. 949 00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:53,081 Thus... 950 00:47:54,466 --> 00:47:57,451 thus, at 2000 hours, 951 00:47:57,469 --> 00:48:00,722 Friday, the 24th of January, 952 00:48:00,756 --> 00:48:02,473 A.D. 36, 953 00:48:02,508 --> 00:48:04,509 L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body 954 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,678 he had used in this lifetime 955 00:48:06,729 --> 00:48:10,815 for 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. 956 00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:13,101 Although you may feel grief, 957 00:48:13,135 --> 00:48:16,938 understand that he did not, and does not now. 958 00:48:19,775 --> 00:48:23,477 Hubbard died of a stroke in 1986, 959 00:48:23,495 --> 00:48:26,414 but he left no plan for succession. 960 00:48:26,448 --> 00:48:29,167 The ambitious David Miscavige stepped forward, 961 00:48:29,201 --> 00:48:31,986 and by bending arms and making deals, 962 00:48:32,004 --> 00:48:33,654 took control of the church 963 00:48:33,672 --> 00:48:36,591 and installed a new generation of lieutenants. 964 00:48:36,625 --> 00:48:38,293 We want to make sure 965 00:48:38,327 --> 00:48:41,796 that all of us end cycle on this completely, 966 00:48:41,847 --> 00:48:44,966 so we can get on with the job 967 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,834 that is ahead of us. 968 00:48:46,852 --> 00:48:50,555 - The first time I met - Miscavige was in '83. 969 00:48:50,606 --> 00:48:52,390 He was a guy running back and forth 970 00:48:52,441 --> 00:48:55,860 between Hubbard and the property in Hemet in a van-- 971 00:48:55,894 --> 00:48:59,230 back and forth, delivering messages. 972 00:48:59,281 --> 00:49:01,866 Worked my way through the organization. 973 00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,402 Miscavige would come down to Florida, 974 00:49:04,453 --> 00:49:06,204 where I was running the place, 975 00:49:06,238 --> 00:49:09,324 and we slowly but surely became friends. 976 00:49:09,358 --> 00:49:12,560 By 2001, I was working directly for Miscavige. 977 00:49:13,495 --> 00:49:15,630 We'd sit and drink a bottle of Scotch, 978 00:49:15,664 --> 00:49:17,899 and I'd hear everything he had to say about the church, 979 00:49:17,933 --> 00:49:20,601 and about the people involved, from his perspective. 980 00:49:20,636 --> 00:49:23,888 And honestly, it was-- it was, uh, horrifying. It was scary. 981 00:49:23,922 --> 00:49:26,540 In Scientology, there was a concept 982 00:49:26,558 --> 00:49:29,710 that 98% of the people are good and 2% are evil. 983 00:49:29,728 --> 00:49:32,347 Well, he worked very hard to convince me 984 00:49:32,381 --> 00:49:33,982 that it was the other way around. 985 00:49:34,016 --> 00:49:37,268 2.5% were okay and the rest were very evil and bad. 986 00:49:37,319 --> 00:49:40,571 And somehow, they'd all been dumped on that base 987 00:49:40,606 --> 00:49:42,240 so they could be around him. 988 00:49:42,274 --> 00:49:44,442 He was-- he was extremely paranoid. 989 00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:48,246 So, Marty, is Miscavige a true believer? 990 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:48,824 Uh, yes. 991 00:49:53,068 --> 00:49:55,336 He has to continue to believe, 992 00:49:55,371 --> 00:49:57,138 because if he looks at it rationally 993 00:49:57,172 --> 00:49:59,607 and he sees that it is as I say, 994 00:49:59,641 --> 00:50:01,376 it will destroy him. 995 00:50:01,410 --> 00:50:03,594 You know, he'll just realize that-- 996 00:50:03,629 --> 00:50:07,131 because he's done a lot worse than I've done. 997 00:50:07,182 --> 00:50:10,018 He's abused people on a personal level, 998 00:50:10,052 --> 00:50:13,938 um, as a-- as a-- That's how he got to the top, 999 00:50:13,972 --> 00:50:16,974 and that's how he stayed at the top. 1000 00:50:17,026 --> 00:50:19,394 At the age of 11, 1001 00:50:19,428 --> 00:50:22,647 David Miscavige joined the church with his parents. 1002 00:50:22,698 --> 00:50:25,650 As a child, his ambition caught Hubbard's eye. 1003 00:50:25,701 --> 00:50:27,902 So when Hubbard wanted to become a filmmaker, 1004 00:50:27,936 --> 00:50:30,738 Miscavige was his assistant cameraman. 1005 00:50:30,772 --> 00:50:32,373 An auditing prodigy, 1006 00:50:32,408 --> 00:50:34,842 he claimed Scientology cured his asthma. 1007 00:50:34,877 --> 00:50:38,629 He became a sort of general contractor for the church, 1008 00:50:38,664 --> 00:50:40,798 and was soon named action chief-- 1009 00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:43,501 the man who did whatever needed doing for a church 1010 00:50:43,552 --> 00:50:45,953 that developed a scary reputation 1011 00:50:45,971 --> 00:50:47,755 for attacking its critics. 1012 00:50:47,789 --> 00:50:49,474 Scientology has been in the headlines 1013 00:50:49,508 --> 00:50:50,975 off and on for 25 years now, 1014 00:50:51,009 --> 00:50:53,794 almost since the time it was founded as a religion. 1015 00:50:53,812 --> 00:50:56,013 Scientology's story is one of a church 1016 00:50:56,065 --> 00:50:58,900 embittered by what it perceives as harassment. 1017 00:50:58,934 --> 00:51:00,234 We're talking about attacks 1018 00:51:00,269 --> 00:51:02,136 from multi-billion dollar media conglomerates, 1019 00:51:02,154 --> 00:51:05,656 world governments-- real powers of the world. 1020 00:51:05,691 --> 00:51:08,359 They take enemies very seriously. 1021 00:51:08,410 --> 00:51:10,078 This comes right out of Hubbard's own policies 1022 00:51:10,112 --> 00:51:13,147 from the '60s, saying, "We never defend, we always attack." 1023 00:51:13,165 --> 00:51:15,166 And they have followed it ever since. 1024 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,484 They call it "fair game," 1025 00:51:16,502 --> 00:51:19,620 and anybody who criticizes Scientology is fair game. 1026 00:51:19,654 --> 00:51:21,172 Whatever you're told, 1027 00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:23,091 whatever needs to be done, 1028 00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:25,626 if it's against the law, it doesn't matter. 1029 00:51:25,677 --> 00:51:28,012 The best example is, in the mid '70s, 1030 00:51:28,046 --> 00:51:31,799 Scientologists were walking in to these Department of Justice offices 1031 00:51:31,833 --> 00:51:35,636 and IRS offices and taking documents out by the yard. 1032 00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:37,889 The FBI raided the Church of Scientology-- 1033 00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:40,108 the largest raid in FBI history at that time. 1034 00:51:40,142 --> 00:51:42,610 Oh my god. The building is filled with FBI, 1035 00:51:42,644 --> 00:51:44,395 and they're-- they're taking things. 1036 00:51:44,446 --> 00:51:46,180 It was craziness. 1037 00:51:46,198 --> 00:51:49,617 Clearly, L. Ron Hubbard was in charge of all of that, 1038 00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:51,719 but he was only named an unindicted co-conspirator. 1039 00:51:51,753 --> 00:51:53,654 And Mary Sue Hubbard, Hubbard's wife, 1040 00:51:53,688 --> 00:51:56,908 she went to prison, 10 others went to prison. 1041 00:51:56,959 --> 00:51:59,460 This was where I cut my teeth. I was in my early 20s, 1042 00:51:59,495 --> 00:52:01,162 Miscavige was in his early 20s. 1043 00:52:01,196 --> 00:52:02,914 We were taking over for this group 1044 00:52:02,965 --> 00:52:05,750 that had created the largest domestic espionage operation 1045 00:52:05,801 --> 00:52:07,385 in the history of the United States. 1046 00:52:07,419 --> 00:52:08,886 They were breaking into offices, 1047 00:52:08,921 --> 00:52:11,672 framing people. This is the activities of a church? 1048 00:52:11,706 --> 00:52:13,174 There was a guy who, uh, you know, 1049 00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:15,226 was a reporter for "The LA Times," 1050 00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:16,561 whose dog was poisoned 1051 00:52:16,595 --> 00:52:18,813 while he was working on a Scientology story. 1052 00:52:18,847 --> 00:52:21,065 Again and again while reporting the story, 1053 00:52:21,099 --> 00:52:23,985 we met many former members who describe Scientology 1054 00:52:24,019 --> 00:52:27,388 as a dangerous and deeply paranoid organization. 1055 00:52:27,406 --> 00:52:30,158 They hired private detectives to harass people. 1056 00:52:30,192 --> 00:52:31,576 I have been sued twice. 1057 00:52:31,610 --> 00:52:32,827 Financial ruin. 1058 00:52:32,861 --> 00:52:34,028 Years of harassment. 1059 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,896 Their homes broken into, have them beaten. 1060 00:52:35,914 --> 00:52:39,033 We chased her around. We followed her to the airport. 1061 00:52:39,084 --> 00:52:41,419 Gotten ahold of personal phone records. 1062 00:52:41,453 --> 00:52:43,838 Slashed their tires, break their car windows. 1063 00:52:43,872 --> 00:52:46,207 I was locked in a chicken wire cage. 1064 00:52:46,241 --> 00:52:49,710 Dangerous, horrifying, terrifying fraud. 1065 00:52:49,761 --> 00:52:51,546 A nightmare. 1066 00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:53,514 Many of their stories are corroborated 1067 00:52:53,549 --> 00:52:56,884 in sworn court testimony by up to a dozen other people. 1068 00:52:56,918 --> 00:52:58,603 Are they all lying? 1069 00:52:58,637 --> 00:52:59,804 They sat in a room, 1070 00:52:59,855 --> 00:53:01,255 they figured out what they were going to say... 1071 00:53:01,273 --> 00:53:04,108 My position, as the spokesperson, 1072 00:53:04,142 --> 00:53:07,562 was to evade the question, 1073 00:53:07,596 --> 00:53:09,647 or sleaze around some way, 1074 00:53:09,698 --> 00:53:11,649 or give what was an acceptable answer, 1075 00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:13,784 or something that I believed at the time. 1076 00:53:13,819 --> 00:53:15,736 Please welcome Mr. Mike Rinder. 1077 00:53:22,777 --> 00:53:25,129 Because Scientology is perceived 1078 00:53:25,163 --> 00:53:27,882 and conceived by Scientologists 1079 00:53:27,916 --> 00:53:31,252 as being the salvation for mankind, 1080 00:53:31,286 --> 00:53:34,088 you can have people that lie 1081 00:53:34,122 --> 00:53:36,957 with a very straight face 1082 00:53:36,975 --> 00:53:39,510 if they believe that what they are doing 1083 00:53:39,561 --> 00:53:42,296 is protecting the Church of Scientology. 1084 00:53:42,314 --> 00:53:43,564 L. Ron Hubbard says, 1085 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,799 "We do not find critics of Scientology 1086 00:53:45,817 --> 00:53:47,235 "who do not have criminal pasts." 1087 00:53:47,269 --> 00:53:49,487 Do you believe that? Sure. 1088 00:53:49,521 --> 00:53:52,073 People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals? 1089 00:53:52,107 --> 00:53:53,524 I believe that, yeah. 1090 00:53:53,575 --> 00:53:56,077 You know, there isn't and hasn't been 1091 00:53:56,111 --> 00:53:58,779 any effort which has been taken to, 1092 00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:00,665 quote, "silence critics." 1093 00:54:00,699 --> 00:54:02,667 "No, that doesn't happen. 1094 00:54:02,701 --> 00:54:05,202 "Oh, we would never do that." 1095 00:54:05,287 --> 00:54:07,204 But according to many insiders, 1096 00:54:07,256 --> 00:54:09,123 Hubbard was growing more and more vindictive 1097 00:54:09,157 --> 00:54:10,625 toward those who stood in his way. 1098 00:54:10,659 --> 00:54:15,546 He created what he called the Rehabilitation Project Force. 1099 00:54:15,597 --> 00:54:18,299 The RPF was what we called it. 1100 00:54:18,333 --> 00:54:19,634 It was the prison camp, 1101 00:54:19,668 --> 00:54:21,218 where you'd go for re-indoctrination. 1102 00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:24,138 It was on the 7th floor 1103 00:54:24,172 --> 00:54:26,190 of the Hollywood headquarters, 1104 00:54:26,224 --> 00:54:29,360 a confined space to rehabilitate members 1105 00:54:29,394 --> 00:54:31,845 who might be harboring subversive thoughts. 1106 00:54:31,863 --> 00:54:34,031 Spanky was sent to the RPF 1107 00:54:34,066 --> 00:54:35,900 when she objected to the way the church 1108 00:54:35,951 --> 00:54:38,319 had denied medical treatment to her boss. 1109 00:54:38,353 --> 00:54:40,738 I went thinking, of course, 1110 00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:42,373 this is a big mistake. 1111 00:54:42,407 --> 00:54:44,959 And then I got there, and there were like 200 of us. 1112 00:54:44,993 --> 00:54:47,912 So much of the exec strata of the organization there 1113 00:54:47,963 --> 00:54:49,914 hit the skids simultaneously. 1114 00:54:49,965 --> 00:54:53,668 - RPF stands for - Rehabilitation Project Force. 1115 00:54:53,752 --> 00:54:57,004 It is a program that is exclusively 1116 00:54:57,038 --> 00:54:59,724 for the benefit of Sea Organization members. 1117 00:54:59,758 --> 00:55:02,226 If they are stressed out, 1118 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:04,044 if they're not doing well on their job, 1119 00:55:04,062 --> 00:55:07,315 have them do menial-type work, 1120 00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:11,102 and five hours a day of auditing 1121 00:55:11,153 --> 00:55:13,487 and Scientology training. 1122 00:55:13,522 --> 00:55:15,106 It's a fabulous program. 1123 00:55:15,157 --> 00:55:17,575 We were working-- cross my heart-- 1124 00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:19,860 30 hours on, three hours off. 1125 00:55:19,894 --> 00:55:21,228 Doing, like, hard labor, 1126 00:55:21,246 --> 00:55:23,397 like having wire brushes on windowsills, 1127 00:55:23,415 --> 00:55:25,166 and sanding and sanding and sanding. 1128 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,534 Breathing paint fumes. 1129 00:55:26,568 --> 00:55:28,736 The regular crew would eat first, 1130 00:55:28,754 --> 00:55:30,538 and then we'd get what was left. 1131 00:55:30,572 --> 00:55:32,423 It was kinda like table scraps. 1132 00:55:32,457 --> 00:55:35,242 There was mattresses out there on the roof, 1133 00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:37,745 and they were wet and soggy and gross. 1134 00:55:37,763 --> 00:55:39,680 And if you got to sleep for three hours, 1135 00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:43,184 sometimes you'd just have to up there and crash out. 1136 00:55:44,686 --> 00:55:47,121 And I had a young child at that time, 1137 00:55:47,155 --> 00:55:49,490 who was 10 months old when I went to the RPF. 1138 00:55:49,524 --> 00:55:51,392 She got taken and put in the Cadet Org, 1139 00:55:51,426 --> 00:55:54,195 the organization for the children. 1140 00:55:54,229 --> 00:55:57,982 And then I-- I got pregnant 1141 00:55:58,033 --> 00:55:59,950 when I was in the RPF. 1142 00:55:59,985 --> 00:56:03,270 So now I'm sanding walls, eating table scraps, 1143 00:56:03,288 --> 00:56:07,708 pregnant, and worrying myself sick about my child. 1144 00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:10,044 In Spanky's time, the children 1145 00:56:10,078 --> 00:56:12,046 of Sea Org members were separated 1146 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,131 from their parents and raised in the Cadet Org 1147 00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:16,000 to remove all distractions 1148 00:56:16,051 --> 00:56:18,552 from their parent's ultimate responsibility, 1149 00:56:18,587 --> 00:56:20,554 to clear the planet. 1150 00:56:20,589 --> 00:56:24,175 Sea Org members were often pressured to have abortions, 1151 00:56:24,226 --> 00:56:26,460 because the church viewed "getting children" 1152 00:56:26,478 --> 00:56:28,962 as an unpractical burden. 1153 00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:31,148 - Initially, you're like, - "This is absurd. 1154 00:56:31,183 --> 00:56:32,316 "This is nuts." 1155 00:56:32,350 --> 00:56:36,103 And then you kinda settle in and go, "Well... 1156 00:56:36,137 --> 00:56:40,641 "obviously, I need to deal with something 1157 00:56:40,659 --> 00:56:42,309 "that I'm not facing. 1158 00:56:42,327 --> 00:56:44,028 "So perhaps this is-- 1159 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,113 "they're doing this to make me better." 1160 00:56:50,035 --> 00:56:52,703 There are so many bizarre stories that you-- 1161 00:56:52,754 --> 00:56:54,955 just hard to believe stuff. 1162 00:56:54,989 --> 00:56:56,990 They asked if I could arrange a private screening 1163 00:56:57,008 --> 00:56:58,375 of "Saturday Night Fever." 1164 00:57:00,345 --> 00:57:02,096 And I was like, "What?" 1165 00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:03,831 "I had disappeared from this man's life. 1166 00:57:03,849 --> 00:57:05,549 "I abandoned him, 1167 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,001 "and now you want me to arrange a private screening? 1168 00:57:08,019 --> 00:57:09,386 "What are you--" 1169 00:57:09,438 --> 00:57:12,172 I said, "Is there anything else? Maybe a Beatles reunion?" 1170 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,144 Travolta had been wondering where Spanky was. 1171 00:57:17,178 --> 00:57:18,529 When she was sent to the RPF, 1172 00:57:18,563 --> 00:57:21,732 she was not allowed to contact him or anyone else. 1173 00:57:21,783 --> 00:57:23,851 But now, under the watch of a guard, 1174 00:57:23,869 --> 00:57:26,854 she was permitted to call Travolta's assistant. 1175 00:57:26,872 --> 00:57:30,190 She said we could use John's personal print of the film, 1176 00:57:30,208 --> 00:57:32,960 under one condition-- that you will see John. 1177 00:57:32,994 --> 00:57:34,912 I was so excited. 1178 00:57:34,963 --> 00:57:38,699 I hadn't had dialogue with him for many months. 1179 00:57:38,717 --> 00:57:41,085 We had the screening of the film, 1180 00:57:41,136 --> 00:57:42,553 and on the next night, 1181 00:57:42,587 --> 00:57:45,339 I was supposed to have dinner with Johnny. 1182 00:57:45,373 --> 00:57:47,040 And after the screening, 1183 00:57:47,058 --> 00:57:49,927 I was abruptly told I wasn't going to see him, 1184 00:57:49,978 --> 00:57:51,846 and I needed to call and cancel. 1185 00:57:51,897 --> 00:57:56,717 He was truly angry at me for-- for-- 1186 00:57:56,735 --> 00:57:59,820 for having allowed this abuse of myself, you know, 1187 00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:03,491 and for having that-- so little of myself... 1188 00:58:05,277 --> 00:58:08,245 that I would allow this degree of degradation, 1189 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,398 and, and um-- and-- 1190 00:58:11,416 --> 00:58:13,200 And he was my good friend, 1191 00:58:13,234 --> 00:58:16,620 and I knew that he was telling me the truth. 1192 00:58:16,671 --> 00:58:21,041 Those words were such a wakeup call for me. 1193 00:58:21,075 --> 00:58:24,244 And I went over there, to the Cadet Org. 1194 00:58:24,262 --> 00:58:25,963 There were so many sick children in there, 1195 00:58:26,047 --> 00:58:28,182 and my daughter was very, very ill-- 1196 00:58:28,216 --> 00:58:32,219 burning up with fever, completely neglected, 1197 00:58:32,253 --> 00:58:34,772 in a urine-soaked crib. 1198 00:58:34,806 --> 00:58:37,591 Her eyes were so filled with mucus, 1199 00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:39,944 they were welded shut. 1200 00:58:39,978 --> 00:58:42,479 She had fruit flies on her body. 1201 00:58:42,531 --> 00:58:45,933 And I just-- I couldn't bear it. 1202 00:58:45,951 --> 00:58:48,536 I just went, "No, mmm-mmm, I'm done." 1203 00:58:48,570 --> 00:58:52,272 I mean, I just knew I could make these choices for me. 1204 00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:54,241 I could decide to give up my life 1205 00:58:54,275 --> 00:58:56,210 and do this to help the world, 1206 00:58:56,244 --> 00:58:58,495 but I couldn't make these choices for my children. 1207 00:58:58,547 --> 00:59:00,664 I just had to get her out. 1208 00:59:02,617 --> 00:59:05,719 I told them that I was having problems with my pregnancy, 1209 00:59:05,754 --> 00:59:07,755 and I needed to use the phone, 1210 00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:09,590 so they sent a bodyguard with me. 1211 00:59:09,624 --> 00:59:13,510 I called one of the few non-Scientologists I knew, 1212 00:59:13,562 --> 00:59:16,313 a wonderful woman who happened to work for John Travolta. 1213 00:59:16,348 --> 00:59:18,899 I said, "Meet me at this address." 1214 00:59:18,934 --> 00:59:20,734 I gave her a time and I hung up. 1215 00:59:20,769 --> 00:59:23,737 I go up to my daughter's room, and I wrapped her up. 1216 00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:28,776 And there's that bodyguard with me. 1217 00:59:28,827 --> 00:59:30,911 I said, "Oh, my sister-in-law is in that car 1218 00:59:30,946 --> 00:59:33,313 "and she's gonna take the baby to the doctor." 1219 00:59:33,331 --> 00:59:34,748 He said, "Well, has this been approved?" 1220 00:59:34,783 --> 00:59:37,334 "Of course it was approved!" 1221 00:59:37,369 --> 00:59:39,837 She's in my arms, and I got in the car. 1222 00:59:39,872 --> 00:59:42,539 My friend, she just nods her head. 1223 00:59:44,092 --> 00:59:46,377 Boom! With that, I pull my leg in, shut that door. 1224 00:59:46,428 --> 00:59:48,679 She hits the locks, and we drive. 1225 00:59:48,713 --> 00:59:50,297 And people are yelling my name, 1226 00:59:50,331 --> 00:59:52,349 saying, "Spanky, no! No!" 1227 00:59:52,384 --> 00:59:54,435 I mean, just freaked out. 1228 00:59:54,469 --> 00:59:56,353 I'm thinkin' "I'm a dead person, 1229 00:59:56,388 --> 00:59:58,806 "something terrible is gonna happen to me." 1230 00:59:58,857 --> 01:00:00,691 I was just so frightened 1231 01:00:00,725 --> 01:00:03,894 that they would come to fetch me up. 1232 01:00:08,917 --> 01:00:10,150 One of the turning points 1233 01:00:10,185 --> 01:00:12,553 in Travolta's relationship with the church 1234 01:00:12,587 --> 01:00:16,206 is when he understood what was happening to Spanky, 1235 01:00:16,241 --> 01:00:18,692 he didn't do anything about it. 1236 01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:21,462 I know that he certainly got exposed 1237 01:00:21,496 --> 01:00:24,465 to the fact that not everything was on the up and up. 1238 01:00:24,499 --> 01:00:27,134 Why that wasn't sufficient for him to leave, 1239 01:00:27,168 --> 01:00:29,253 I don't know. 1240 01:00:29,304 --> 01:00:34,207 I often wonder what-- what could possibly keep him there? 1241 01:00:34,225 --> 01:00:35,476 Can you recall an incident 1242 01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:37,745 which occurred when your mother looked younger? 1243 01:00:37,779 --> 01:00:42,433 An auditor learns to keep notes contemporaneously 1244 01:00:42,484 --> 01:00:44,818 as he is doing a session, 1245 01:00:44,853 --> 01:00:48,238 about every detail of the person's life, 1246 01:00:48,273 --> 01:00:50,157 back to birth and beyond. 1247 01:00:50,191 --> 01:00:52,660 If you do the whole program, 1248 01:00:52,694 --> 01:00:55,228 you end up with up to a file cabinet full 1249 01:00:55,246 --> 01:00:59,166 of pre-clear folders on notations about your life, 1250 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,202 your thoughts, and your considerations about your life. 1251 01:01:02,236 --> 01:01:04,621 It's the most intimate detail. 1252 01:01:04,673 --> 01:01:07,424 You're always encouraged, you're always threatened, 1253 01:01:07,459 --> 01:01:12,379 to disclose more and more and more. And all of it's recorded. 1254 01:01:12,413 --> 01:01:13,847 All of this material, 1255 01:01:13,882 --> 01:01:16,433 which is represented to you to be held sacrosanct-- 1256 01:01:16,468 --> 01:01:19,019 in fact, any information 1257 01:01:19,054 --> 01:01:21,772 that might do some harm to the organization, 1258 01:01:21,806 --> 01:01:24,257 gets unclassified automatically 1259 01:01:24,275 --> 01:01:26,860 and gets reported to another branch of the church 1260 01:01:26,895 --> 01:01:29,063 that deals with "ethics." 1261 01:01:34,369 --> 01:01:36,937 Travolta was down in Clearwater. 1262 01:01:36,955 --> 01:01:39,289 We'd finished the renovations. 1263 01:01:39,324 --> 01:01:41,625 Every auditing room had two cameras-- 1264 01:01:41,659 --> 01:01:44,945 one on the meter, and one on the guy getting auditing. 1265 01:01:44,963 --> 01:01:48,132 Miscavige would sit in this 15x15 room, 1266 01:01:48,166 --> 01:01:50,134 cameras of every session. 1267 01:01:50,168 --> 01:01:51,618 You can flip in between 'em, 1268 01:01:51,636 --> 01:01:53,587 and he was watching these things. 1269 01:01:53,638 --> 01:01:55,139 And it was for "training purposes." 1270 01:01:55,173 --> 01:01:56,623 Well, Travolta saw that, 1271 01:01:56,641 --> 01:01:59,560 and he said, "I will not be videoed." 1272 01:01:59,594 --> 01:02:02,563 So I was there when they were setting it up, 1273 01:02:02,597 --> 01:02:04,431 and Miscavige was directing it. 1274 01:02:04,465 --> 01:02:06,266 "Get him into a hotel room, 1275 01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,903 "hook up secret, private videos." 1276 01:02:10,972 --> 01:02:13,140 There were rumors 1277 01:02:13,158 --> 01:02:15,159 that he was threatening to leave, 1278 01:02:15,193 --> 01:02:18,078 and another Scientologist told me that he was delegated 1279 01:02:18,113 --> 01:02:22,533 to create a black PR package-- all the damaging material 1280 01:02:22,584 --> 01:02:24,868 they could use against Travolta, 1281 01:02:24,919 --> 01:02:27,171 which came from his auditing sessions. 1282 01:02:27,205 --> 01:02:29,873 I know this because I used to do it 1283 01:02:29,924 --> 01:02:33,761 when I was the head of the Office of Special Affairs. 1284 01:02:33,795 --> 01:02:35,546 We would put a team of people 1285 01:02:35,597 --> 01:02:38,799 onto going through all of these PC folders 1286 01:02:38,833 --> 01:02:42,553 and finding things that they believe. 1287 01:02:42,604 --> 01:02:45,639 By exposing them or threatening to expose them, 1288 01:02:45,673 --> 01:02:49,276 they will cower the person 1289 01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:52,813 that they're worried about into silence. 1290 01:02:54,182 --> 01:02:55,649 There is a particular writing 1291 01:02:55,683 --> 01:03:00,287 where Hubbard is training these Office of Special Affairs people 1292 01:03:00,321 --> 01:03:04,491 on how, when you use private information 1293 01:03:04,525 --> 01:03:07,878 to control somebody to do what you want them to do, 1294 01:03:07,912 --> 01:03:10,664 and to silence them from speaking out against Scientology, 1295 01:03:10,698 --> 01:03:14,051 it's really not blackmail, because you're not asking for money. 1296 01:03:14,085 --> 01:03:16,003 But you're holding this secret information 1297 01:03:16,037 --> 01:03:18,338 over the person's head to silence them. 1298 01:03:18,372 --> 01:03:20,540 As far as Travolta is concerned, 1299 01:03:20,558 --> 01:03:23,877 people say, well, he-- there's all these things that we know about 1300 01:03:23,895 --> 01:03:25,729 that have been rumored in the tabloids. 1301 01:03:25,763 --> 01:03:28,565 But in fact, it's more of a two-way street. 1302 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,317 You know, he's provided with an auditor 1303 01:03:30,351 --> 01:03:31,735 whose shoulder he can cry on, 1304 01:03:31,769 --> 01:03:34,738 but he's also provided with the muscle of the church, 1305 01:03:34,772 --> 01:03:37,324 in the form of myself and Mike Rinder. 1306 01:03:37,358 --> 01:03:38,525 On many occasions, 1307 01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,661 we were sent out to get with his publicist, 1308 01:03:40,695 --> 01:03:41,862 to get with his lawyer, 1309 01:03:41,896 --> 01:03:44,698 and to help squash or intimidate these people 1310 01:03:44,732 --> 01:03:47,000 that are making accusations against him. 1311 01:03:47,035 --> 01:03:48,502 Once that happened, 1312 01:03:48,536 --> 01:03:51,672 I think he was really the church's captive. 1313 01:03:51,706 --> 01:03:53,457 Mr. John Travolta! 1314 01:04:13,194 --> 01:04:15,762 When they were facing lawsuits and stuff like that, 1315 01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:17,064 he'd be brought forward, 1316 01:04:17,098 --> 01:04:19,900 and make his testimony about how great Scientology is. 1317 01:04:19,934 --> 01:04:21,568 He had the opportunity 1318 01:04:21,602 --> 01:04:25,438 to affect the behavior of the church, and he chose not to. 1319 01:04:27,208 --> 01:04:29,877 Now I've been a Scientologist for 23 years. 1320 01:04:29,911 --> 01:04:32,246 I've felt like a pioneer in many-- in many ways, 1321 01:04:32,297 --> 01:04:35,799 and I've-- I've seen my efforts come to fruition... 1322 01:04:35,833 --> 01:04:37,784 in various ways. 1323 01:04:37,802 --> 01:04:40,754 I think very few people can say that. 1324 01:04:40,805 --> 01:04:43,473 I've-- I'm part of a-- of a frontier in a way, 1325 01:04:43,508 --> 01:04:46,793 you know, that, that very few people ever get to be part of. 1326 01:05:21,095 --> 01:05:23,547 Thank you. 1327 01:05:23,598 --> 01:05:26,133 Welcome to church! 1328 01:05:26,167 --> 01:05:29,770 It was the biggest event in Scientology history, 1329 01:05:29,804 --> 01:05:33,223 and of course, Miscavige wanted to milk it for everything he had. 1330 01:05:33,274 --> 01:05:35,225 It's this grand, produced thing, 1331 01:05:35,276 --> 01:05:39,696 where it's all a single person on a gigantic stage, 1332 01:05:39,731 --> 01:05:43,016 all this sort of Nazi symbolism. 1333 01:05:43,868 --> 01:05:46,853 I clearly recall getting prepared for the event 1334 01:05:46,871 --> 01:05:48,655 and Miscavige up in that office, 1335 01:05:48,689 --> 01:05:51,325 you know, going 18-20 hours a day 1336 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:54,328 writing this speech, and thinking to myself, 1337 01:05:54,362 --> 01:05:57,247 "My God, you know? This is not just 1338 01:05:57,298 --> 01:05:59,916 "a victory celebration, 1339 01:05:59,968 --> 01:06:02,302 "this is a-- this is a coup." 1340 01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:04,838 What we are going to talk about 1341 01:06:04,872 --> 01:06:08,675 is the war to end all wars. 1342 01:06:08,726 --> 01:06:11,178 When you are in Scientology, you are in all the way. 1343 01:06:11,212 --> 01:06:13,597 There's no half in and half out. 1344 01:06:13,648 --> 01:06:16,650 - A decade into - Miscavige's leadership, 1345 01:06:16,684 --> 01:06:18,935 a simmering crisis finally came to a boil. 1346 01:06:18,987 --> 01:06:23,407 For years Hubbard had insisted that Scientology was a religion 1347 01:06:23,441 --> 01:06:25,492 and should be tax-exempt, 1348 01:06:25,526 --> 01:06:29,229 so he had refused to pay any taxes. 1349 01:06:29,247 --> 01:06:31,782 We were facing a tax bill 1350 01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:35,369 of over a billion dollars, and the total assets, 1351 01:06:35,403 --> 01:06:38,955 liquid and material, and property of the church 1352 01:06:39,007 --> 01:06:42,042 was about a quarter of that at the time, in the '80s. 1353 01:06:42,093 --> 01:06:46,346 And so just from a real simple accounting basis, 1354 01:06:46,381 --> 01:06:47,714 it was life and death. 1355 01:06:47,748 --> 01:06:49,299 If we don't get exemption, we die. 1356 01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:51,251 If we get it, we survive. 1357 01:06:51,269 --> 01:06:53,136 As LRH said, 1358 01:06:53,187 --> 01:06:55,806 "One certainly couldn't contest anyone 1359 01:06:55,857 --> 01:06:58,591 "as holy as the commissioner of the IRS, 1360 01:06:58,609 --> 01:07:03,146 "whom I believe gives God his orders." LRH. 1361 01:07:03,197 --> 01:07:05,148 Faced with this crisis, 1362 01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,934 David Miscavige formulated a strategy. 1363 01:07:07,952 --> 01:07:10,987 Think of the nerve that it takes 1364 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,790 to decide to take on a war with the IRS. 1365 01:07:13,825 --> 01:07:15,659 The Church of Scientology 1366 01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:18,111 has been crucifying the federal agency 1367 01:07:18,129 --> 01:07:20,497 for its sins on a regular basis, 1368 01:07:20,548 --> 01:07:22,582 both in and out of courts. 1369 01:07:22,633 --> 01:07:26,253 Thousands of Scientologists all filed lawsuits, 1370 01:07:26,287 --> 01:07:27,454 not just against the IRS, 1371 01:07:27,472 --> 01:07:30,340 but against individual IRS employees. 1372 01:07:30,391 --> 01:07:32,292 2400 total lawsuits, 1373 01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:35,178 all going at the IRS at one time. 1374 01:07:35,229 --> 01:07:36,930 It was a litigation nightmare. 1375 01:07:36,964 --> 01:07:39,649 Being Miscavige's right-hand man, 1376 01:07:39,684 --> 01:07:41,601 I was in charge of all those efforts. 1377 01:07:41,635 --> 01:07:44,855 We were not only suing them in every possible jurisdiction there was, 1378 01:07:44,906 --> 01:07:47,774 we were investigating the IRS for crimes generally, 1379 01:07:47,825 --> 01:07:49,359 or things that would offend the public. 1380 01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:51,411 ...these hearings into IRS integrity... 1381 01:07:51,446 --> 01:07:52,746 In the late '80s, 1382 01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:54,498 there were hearings about IRS abuses 1383 01:07:54,532 --> 01:07:55,782 that had nothing to do with Scientology, 1384 01:07:55,816 --> 01:07:56,950 had nothing to do with nonprofits, 1385 01:07:56,984 --> 01:07:58,368 had nothing to do with churches. 1386 01:07:58,419 --> 01:08:00,504 They had to do with Joe Taxpayer. 1387 01:08:00,538 --> 01:08:03,490 And they we were publishing these glossy, 1388 01:08:03,508 --> 01:08:04,925 expensive magazines. 1389 01:08:04,959 --> 01:08:08,011 In fact, the exposรฉs of IRS crimes 1390 01:08:08,045 --> 01:08:10,931 were so hated that possession of "Freedom" magazine 1391 01:08:10,965 --> 01:08:13,884 was banned by IRS officials in the IRS building. 1392 01:08:16,053 --> 01:08:20,941 There is going to be a IRS conference in the Catskills. 1393 01:08:20,975 --> 01:08:24,060 Right? And so we would send a PI, 1394 01:08:24,112 --> 01:08:26,113 find out which hotel it's gonna be at, 1395 01:08:26,147 --> 01:08:29,349 get down there during happy hour, socialize. 1396 01:08:29,367 --> 01:08:32,536 And this guy's tallying who's drinkin' what. 1397 01:08:32,570 --> 01:08:34,454 And so we go through Freedom of Information Act 1398 01:08:34,489 --> 01:08:37,741 to find out that the taxpayers are paying the bar bill, 1399 01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:39,576 and it's so much money. 1400 01:08:39,627 --> 01:08:40,827 And of course, you know, 1401 01:08:40,861 --> 01:08:42,695 in the scheme of things, it's nothing. 1402 01:08:42,713 --> 01:08:44,581 But from a PR perspective, it's everything. 1403 01:08:44,632 --> 01:08:48,668 IRS officials told me to my face 1404 01:08:48,702 --> 01:08:51,138 they weren't interested in hearing anything 1405 01:08:51,172 --> 01:08:55,058 I had to say because, and I quote, 1406 01:08:55,092 --> 01:08:57,210 "You are a Scientologist. 1407 01:08:57,229 --> 01:09:00,430 "You are a mindless robot." 1408 01:09:00,481 --> 01:09:04,234 Well, those who know me can imagine my response. 1409 01:09:06,604 --> 01:09:10,440 It was short, but certainly made the point. 1410 01:09:12,326 --> 01:09:16,163 A negotiation began to take place 1411 01:09:16,197 --> 01:09:20,450 between the IRS and the Church of Scientology. 1412 01:09:20,501 --> 01:09:22,419 How do you define a religion? 1413 01:09:22,453 --> 01:09:24,037 It's not so easy. 1414 01:09:24,071 --> 01:09:28,175 Why is one body of thinking a religion 1415 01:09:28,209 --> 01:09:30,677 and another body not? 1416 01:09:30,711 --> 01:09:35,515 The only organization entitled to make those distinctions 1417 01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:37,551 is the IRS as an agency-- 1418 01:09:37,585 --> 01:09:39,853 very poorly equipped to do that. 1419 01:09:39,887 --> 01:09:41,638 I mean, they're mainly accountants and lawyers, 1420 01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:43,440 they're not theologians. 1421 01:09:43,474 --> 01:09:46,109 But it's the only opinion that matters. 1422 01:09:46,143 --> 01:09:49,396 Once the IRS has decided that you are a religion, 1423 01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:53,567 then you are protected by the vast protections 1424 01:09:53,618 --> 01:09:56,236 of the First Amendment. 1425 01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:59,122 And, as the saying goes, 1426 01:09:59,156 --> 01:10:02,775 the rest is history. On October the first, 1993, 1427 01:10:02,793 --> 01:10:05,879 at 8:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 1428 01:10:05,913 --> 01:10:09,132 the IRS issued letters recognizing Scientology 1429 01:10:09,166 --> 01:10:11,251 and every one of its organizations 1430 01:10:11,285 --> 01:10:14,471 as fully tax-exempt! The war is over! 1431 01:10:21,395 --> 01:10:23,263 The war ended 1432 01:10:23,297 --> 01:10:25,232 because the IRS surrendered. 1433 01:10:25,266 --> 01:10:27,434 It forgave the billion-dollar tax bill 1434 01:10:27,468 --> 01:10:31,104 and granted Scientology its tax exemption. 1435 01:10:31,138 --> 01:10:33,907 Even Hubbard's novels were declared religious texts, 1436 01:10:33,941 --> 01:10:37,110 their sales exempt from taxes. 1437 01:10:37,144 --> 01:10:39,529 What happened is that Fred Goldberg, 1438 01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:42,365 who was the IRS commissioner at that time-- 1439 01:10:42,416 --> 01:10:45,252 Miscavige let Goldberg know that if we could find a way 1440 01:10:45,286 --> 01:10:46,786 to get tax-exempt status, 1441 01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:48,655 all those lawsuits will go away overnight. 1442 01:10:48,673 --> 01:10:50,123 And as we were going out the door, 1443 01:10:50,157 --> 01:10:52,492 Fred Goldberg goes, "Is he serious?" 1444 01:10:52,510 --> 01:10:54,127 And I said, "Yeah." 1445 01:10:54,161 --> 01:10:56,329 And he sort of breathed this sigh of relief, 1446 01:10:56,347 --> 01:10:58,515 kind of nodded, and smiled. 1447 01:10:58,549 --> 01:11:01,301 At the Church's victory party, 1448 01:11:01,335 --> 01:11:04,104 Miscavige projected photos of the church's executives 1449 01:11:04,138 --> 01:11:07,691 celebrating with IRS officials. 1450 01:11:07,725 --> 01:11:10,777 It created this tremendous juggernaut 1451 01:11:10,811 --> 01:11:15,398 of tight conspiracy of the membership that then existed, 1452 01:11:15,449 --> 01:11:18,785 but what it really did was enable Miscavige 1453 01:11:18,819 --> 01:11:22,072 to milk every last dime 1454 01:11:22,123 --> 01:11:23,907 out of that core membership. 1455 01:11:23,958 --> 01:11:28,044 I am proud to announce the discrimination is over. 1456 01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:29,963 Your tax dona-- 1457 01:11:29,997 --> 01:11:32,031 deductions on donations to Scientology 1458 01:11:32,049 --> 01:11:35,585 will no longer be disallowed by the Internal Revenue Service. 1459 01:11:38,472 --> 01:11:40,924 In the '80s, while Hubbard was in hiding, 1460 01:11:40,975 --> 01:11:44,561 Scientology was going through some very severe litigation, 1461 01:11:44,595 --> 01:11:46,429 in particular, a lawsuit in Oregon, 1462 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,014 and one in Los Angeles. 1463 01:11:48,065 --> 01:11:50,567 One of them did produce a $30 million judgment. 1464 01:11:50,601 --> 01:11:52,402 This scared Scientology. 1465 01:11:52,436 --> 01:11:54,321 They realized they were vulnerable. 1466 01:11:54,355 --> 01:11:55,772 And so they asked Scientologists, 1467 01:11:55,823 --> 01:11:58,024 "Okay, give us a few thousand dollars. 1468 01:11:58,058 --> 01:12:00,276 "You'll get a nice ribbon or something. 1469 01:12:00,328 --> 01:12:02,395 "You're not gonna get any courses from it." And this was new, 1470 01:12:02,413 --> 01:12:04,397 the idea that you would give them money 1471 01:12:04,415 --> 01:12:06,583 just to defend against lawsuits. 1472 01:12:06,617 --> 01:12:07,917 And that grew and grew. 1473 01:12:07,952 --> 01:12:10,754 Now Scientologists are constantly 1474 01:12:10,788 --> 01:12:14,090 under intense pressure just to hand money over. 1475 01:12:14,125 --> 01:12:16,676 They pitch themselves as being the underdog, 1476 01:12:16,711 --> 01:12:21,297 as being the victim. And you identify with that. 1477 01:12:21,349 --> 01:12:22,915 But then they start hitting you up 1478 01:12:22,933 --> 01:12:25,051 for bigger donations, and bigger-- and I got a lot of pressure. 1479 01:12:25,085 --> 01:12:28,304 And I think I donated another $250,000 to them under pressure. 1480 01:12:28,356 --> 01:12:29,922 They really know how to do it. 1481 01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:32,308 They really know how to do it, and he just was after me and after me. 1482 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,561 And they said, "We're under attack, Paul." 1483 01:12:34,595 --> 01:12:36,696 This one guy who donated $25 million, 1484 01:12:36,731 --> 01:12:39,098 for no-- you know, just straight donation, 1485 01:12:39,116 --> 01:12:41,534 to this-- to the Scientology war chest. 1486 01:12:44,271 --> 01:12:46,039 Churches are tax-exempt 1487 01:12:46,073 --> 01:12:49,125 because they're supposed to provide a public good. 1488 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,294 To prove that good to the IRS, 1489 01:12:51,328 --> 01:12:53,747 churches aren't supposed to hoard their money. 1490 01:12:53,781 --> 01:12:57,751 They're supposed to spend it on services for the faithful. 1491 01:12:57,785 --> 01:13:00,920 Under this pretense, the church had made massive investments 1492 01:13:00,971 --> 01:13:03,006 in tax-free real estate all over the world. 1493 01:13:03,057 --> 01:13:05,725 And when it comes to labor costs, 1494 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,429 they are almost free. 1495 01:13:09,463 --> 01:13:11,514 The max I got paid, you know, 1496 01:13:11,565 --> 01:13:14,300 on a weekly basis was 50 bucks, 1497 01:13:14,318 --> 01:13:16,269 um, for 28 years. 1498 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,639 Sea Org workers take home something 1499 01:13:19,657 --> 01:13:23,243 between six and 40 cents an hour. 1500 01:13:23,277 --> 01:13:26,979 So if you've got very low labor costs, 1501 01:13:26,997 --> 01:13:31,167 no taxes to pay, and wealthy people giving you donations, 1502 01:13:31,202 --> 01:13:35,839 you can see why Scientology has amassed huge piles of money. 1503 01:13:35,873 --> 01:13:37,323 How much are they worth? 1504 01:13:37,341 --> 01:13:39,676 This was a bit of a mystery, but just recently, 1505 01:13:39,710 --> 01:13:41,994 I obtained tax records that Scientology 1506 01:13:42,012 --> 01:13:43,830 does have to turn in. 1507 01:13:43,848 --> 01:13:46,332 Three of the main entities of Scientology-- 1508 01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:48,017 and there are 20 or 30 of them-- 1509 01:13:48,052 --> 01:13:50,503 but the top three, just on their own, 1510 01:13:50,521 --> 01:13:54,190 have a book value of $1.5 billion. 1511 01:13:55,476 --> 01:13:58,645 It's stunning how much money a nonprofit 1512 01:13:58,679 --> 01:14:00,230 has been able to amass. 1513 01:14:10,858 --> 01:14:14,828 It is a crime that we've given them religious recognition 1514 01:14:14,862 --> 01:14:16,529 and that they can hide behind it. 1515 01:14:16,547 --> 01:14:18,715 Meanwhile, you got very good people in there, 1516 01:14:18,749 --> 01:14:21,200 and their lives are being destroyed. 1517 01:14:21,218 --> 01:14:23,136 When I started this story, 1518 01:14:23,170 --> 01:14:26,506 I stumbled across an FBI investigation of the church. 1519 01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:29,375 They were investigating human trafficking. 1520 01:14:29,393 --> 01:14:32,479 It seemed that people were being confined against their will. 1521 01:14:32,513 --> 01:14:36,015 There were lots of reports of people being physically abused, 1522 01:14:36,049 --> 01:14:39,185 and the exploitation of labor and child labor. 1523 01:14:39,219 --> 01:14:43,273 All of these things were questions that the FBI had. 1524 01:14:43,324 --> 01:14:45,942 While that investigation was going on, 1525 01:14:45,993 --> 01:14:49,112 a case was being heard in Colorado-- 1526 01:14:49,163 --> 01:14:52,031 the Headleys, who were suing the church 1527 01:14:52,065 --> 01:14:55,752 for many of these same violations. 1528 01:14:55,786 --> 01:14:58,421 And the court ruled in that case 1529 01:14:58,455 --> 01:15:01,040 that these are all essentially practices 1530 01:15:01,074 --> 01:15:04,210 that are protected by the religious clause 1531 01:15:04,244 --> 01:15:06,913 of the First Amendment. 1532 01:15:06,931 --> 01:15:08,431 Once that ruling came out, 1533 01:15:08,465 --> 01:15:10,717 the FBI dropped its investigation. 1534 01:15:10,751 --> 01:15:15,221 I think it was an indication that the church is protected. 1535 01:15:15,272 --> 01:15:18,608 Before ending cycle completely on the IRS, 1536 01:15:18,642 --> 01:15:21,277 there is one thing I do wish to do. 1537 01:15:21,312 --> 01:15:24,430 Sir. Done. 1538 01:16:21,288 --> 01:16:23,006 The "We Stand Tall" thing-- 1539 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,792 this again was part of this whole IRS thing. 1540 01:16:25,826 --> 01:16:28,294 And Miscavige kind of had this song composed 1541 01:16:28,328 --> 01:16:30,597 by the musician group they had up at the studio. 1542 01:16:30,631 --> 01:16:32,548 He was trying to turn this into-- 1543 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,435 This was a result of the power of this movement... 1544 01:16:44,645 --> 01:16:46,646 ...which was such bullshit, 1545 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,365 because it was all about control. 1546 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,352 When he got absolute control, he went absolutely bonkers. 1547 01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:08,051 You know, most religions are tax-exempt 1548 01:17:08,085 --> 01:17:10,053 and many have beliefs and practices 1549 01:17:10,087 --> 01:17:13,306 that in the modern context would be considered strange. 1550 01:17:13,340 --> 01:17:14,924 Is Scientology any different? 1551 01:17:14,975 --> 01:17:16,259 I mean, if you go to a Christian 1552 01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:19,178 or a Jew or a Muslim, and ask them, 1553 01:17:19,212 --> 01:17:20,713 "What do you believe?", 1554 01:17:20,731 --> 01:17:22,348 they can basically describe 1555 01:17:22,382 --> 01:17:25,401 the most important parts of their religion 1556 01:17:25,436 --> 01:17:27,020 in a minute or two. 1557 01:17:27,054 --> 01:17:28,721 Well, what does a Scientologist believe? 1558 01:17:28,739 --> 01:17:31,491 You need to be in Scientology for seven or eight years, 1559 01:17:31,525 --> 01:17:33,893 and in for a couple hundred thousand dollars, 1560 01:17:33,911 --> 01:17:35,945 before you finally learn this backstory 1561 01:17:35,996 --> 01:17:37,864 of Xenu the Galactic Overlord. 1562 01:17:37,898 --> 01:17:39,782 Now, if you were told that on day one, 1563 01:17:39,833 --> 01:17:41,784 how many people would join? 1564 01:17:41,835 --> 01:17:43,503 But if they were upfront about it, 1565 01:17:43,537 --> 01:17:45,121 I'd have more respect for them. 1566 01:17:45,172 --> 01:17:46,873 But it's that sort of bait and switch 1567 01:17:46,907 --> 01:17:49,008 that people are told, "Oh, it's an applied philosophy 1568 01:17:49,043 --> 01:17:51,077 "to help you with your communication." 1569 01:17:51,095 --> 01:17:52,762 Oh, yeah? 1570 01:17:52,796 --> 01:17:55,081 So why is Tom Cruise paying 1,000 bucks 1571 01:17:55,099 --> 01:17:58,250 to have invisible aliens pulled out of his body? 1572 01:18:06,727 --> 01:18:08,528 What happens when your zone of influence 1573 01:18:08,562 --> 01:18:10,063 is the global stage? 1574 01:18:10,097 --> 01:18:14,534 How much must one do to call themselves a Scientologist? 1575 01:18:14,568 --> 01:18:17,603 How much so that when their head hits the pillow, 1576 01:18:17,621 --> 01:18:19,739 they can live with themselves, 1577 01:18:19,773 --> 01:18:22,492 knowing they did all they could do? 1578 01:18:22,543 --> 01:18:24,827 That is our final story this evening. 1579 01:18:24,878 --> 01:18:28,498 It's a story that affects every Scientologist, 1580 01:18:28,549 --> 01:18:32,719 for all of us are the beneficiaries of what he presents. 1581 01:18:34,638 --> 01:18:37,340 Tom Cruise was the guy. 1582 01:18:37,391 --> 01:18:41,561 Miscavige and Cruise had been pretty buddy-buddy, 1583 01:18:41,595 --> 01:18:44,680 way back to "Days of Thunder." 1584 01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:48,735 He was on the set with him, he went skydiving with him, 1585 01:18:48,769 --> 01:18:52,105 was hangin' out with him all the time. 1586 01:18:52,156 --> 01:18:54,807 And that was when Tom first met Nicole. 1587 01:18:54,825 --> 01:18:57,276 He had really fallen for her. 1588 01:18:57,310 --> 01:18:58,611 They got married, 1589 01:18:58,645 --> 01:19:01,697 and this posed a dilemma for the church, 1590 01:19:01,749 --> 01:19:03,199 because her father 1591 01:19:03,250 --> 01:19:07,420 is a well-known psychologist in Australia. 1592 01:19:07,454 --> 01:19:09,705 From the church's perspective, he's the enemy. 1593 01:19:09,757 --> 01:19:11,674 He's a suppressive person. 1594 01:19:11,708 --> 01:19:13,342 How could you ignore me like this? 1595 01:19:13,377 --> 01:19:15,094 Because Nicole is still 1596 01:19:15,129 --> 01:19:17,680 in a relationship with her father, 1597 01:19:17,714 --> 01:19:19,999 that makes her dangerous. 1598 01:19:20,017 --> 01:19:23,553 She's a Potential Trouble Source, PTS. 1599 01:19:23,604 --> 01:19:27,356 And because Tom is related to her, 1600 01:19:27,391 --> 01:19:30,810 this all causes trouble from the church's perspective. 1601 01:19:30,861 --> 01:19:32,728 You have to break that dynamic. 1602 01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:35,848 Nicole-- her biggest beef 1603 01:19:35,866 --> 01:19:40,570 was that Tom was becoming increasingly like Dave. 1604 01:19:40,621 --> 01:19:43,355 She really got him to drift away from the church, 1605 01:19:43,373 --> 01:19:47,243 and Tom was not really actively involved in Scientology 1606 01:19:47,294 --> 01:19:50,997 between '92-ish all the way up until 2001. 1607 01:19:52,382 --> 01:19:56,135 They were away for more than a year 1608 01:19:56,170 --> 01:19:58,971 shooting "Eyes Wide Shut" in the UK. 1609 01:19:59,006 --> 01:20:02,925 And Cruise was not in touch with Miscavige, 1610 01:20:02,976 --> 01:20:05,311 and this drove Miscavige crazy. 1611 01:20:05,345 --> 01:20:08,047 I was assigned to, um, get him back in. 1612 01:20:08,065 --> 01:20:11,350 And that was coincident with, and-- and I was to facilitate 1613 01:20:11,384 --> 01:20:13,686 the breakup with Nicole Kidman. 1614 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,605 And how'd you do that? 1615 01:20:15,656 --> 01:20:18,241 Uh, well, through a lot of auditing. 1616 01:20:18,275 --> 01:20:21,861 And every session I ever gave to Tom Cruise-- 1617 01:20:21,895 --> 01:20:25,948 and there was dozens upon dozens of them over a three-year period-- 1618 01:20:25,999 --> 01:20:27,733 I had to write detailed reports 1619 01:20:27,751 --> 01:20:30,253 and send them directly to David Miscavige. 1620 01:20:30,287 --> 01:20:32,672 I would sit there every night with our Scotch 1621 01:20:32,706 --> 01:20:35,007 and watch and listen to Miscavige comment 1622 01:20:35,042 --> 01:20:38,711 about Cruise's sex life, and what-- yeah, 1623 01:20:38,745 --> 01:20:40,546 how perverted he was. 1624 01:20:40,580 --> 01:20:44,250 Why is he gettin' daily reports on Cruise? 1625 01:20:44,268 --> 01:20:46,769 Miscavige really wanted to get him back 1626 01:20:46,803 --> 01:20:48,437 into being somebody that he could use 1627 01:20:48,472 --> 01:20:52,308 to lure people into Scientology and increase his own status. 1628 01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:55,144 And I was also involved in the legal team 1629 01:20:55,195 --> 01:21:00,116 and actually hiring investigators to investigate Nicole. 1630 01:21:00,151 --> 01:21:01,784 Men have to stick it in every place they can, 1631 01:21:01,818 --> 01:21:03,819 but for women-- women, it is just about 1632 01:21:03,871 --> 01:21:05,738 security and commitment-- 1633 01:21:05,772 --> 01:21:08,040 Tom wanted to know exactly who she was talking to, 1634 01:21:08,075 --> 01:21:10,877 and so he wanted to tap her phone. 1635 01:21:10,911 --> 01:21:14,797 If you men only knew. 1636 01:21:14,831 --> 01:21:16,299 When I reported that day to Miscavige, 1637 01:21:16,334 --> 01:21:19,618 I reported it, like, "I mean, he wants to tap her phone." 1638 01:21:19,636 --> 01:21:21,921 He said, "God damn it, get it done." 1639 01:21:21,955 --> 01:21:25,758 And so I arranged, through the Scientology's consigliere, 1640 01:21:25,792 --> 01:21:28,394 to get a private investigator 1641 01:21:28,428 --> 01:21:30,980 who physically installed a wiretap on her home. 1642 01:21:31,014 --> 01:21:32,965 And those tapes would come in, 1643 01:21:32,983 --> 01:21:36,435 and I forwarded them to Dave Miscavige. 1644 01:21:36,486 --> 01:21:38,938 The church then turned its attention 1645 01:21:38,972 --> 01:21:43,242 to their adopted children, to turn them against their mother 1646 01:21:43,277 --> 01:21:46,329 and make sure that the custody went to Tom. 1647 01:21:48,665 --> 01:21:52,501 Tommy Davis, he was my liaison 1648 01:21:52,536 --> 01:21:55,838 who had to do all the things that are required 1649 01:21:55,872 --> 01:21:57,256 to please Tom Cruise 1650 01:21:57,291 --> 01:22:00,009 while he was being put through the Scientology hoops by me. 1651 01:22:00,043 --> 01:22:04,547 He also was part of this whole reeducation program, 1652 01:22:04,598 --> 01:22:07,717 so that they would conclude that their mother 1653 01:22:07,768 --> 01:22:10,219 was a suppressive person. 1654 01:22:10,270 --> 01:22:12,438 And that was successful. 1655 01:22:12,472 --> 01:22:14,357 It was all going according to plan. 1656 01:22:14,391 --> 01:22:17,109 And of course, Miscavige would really 1657 01:22:17,144 --> 01:22:19,895 pump the oxygen into that little fire, you know. 1658 01:22:19,947 --> 01:22:24,350 Miscavige was brilliant at flaming people's fears, 1659 01:22:24,368 --> 01:22:26,485 and building up their egos. 1660 01:22:28,572 --> 01:22:31,240 So you were being audited by Marty 1661 01:22:31,291 --> 01:22:33,376 at the same time he was auditing Cruise? 1662 01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:35,694 Oh, yeah, yeah, I was-- yeah, Tom Cruise. 1663 01:22:35,712 --> 01:22:38,214 Tom would go in, and I would go in, and Tom would go in, 1664 01:22:38,248 --> 01:22:40,883 and I would go in, and so, you know... 1665 01:22:40,917 --> 01:22:43,886 And I had been audited by the best auditors on the planet. 1666 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,172 The best auditor, hands down, 1667 01:22:46,206 --> 01:22:48,758 I mean, like-- like kinda Michael Jordan, 1668 01:22:48,809 --> 01:22:51,427 Wayne Gretsky, kinda auditor is Marty. 1669 01:22:55,098 --> 01:22:57,066 They stole him, you know? 1670 01:22:57,100 --> 01:23:00,219 Tom thinks he's supposed to be David Miscavige. 1671 01:23:01,905 --> 01:23:04,573 By 2004, Tom Cruise was the most gung-ho Scientologist in the world, 1672 01:23:04,608 --> 01:23:06,776 and Miscavige wanted to recognize him for it. 1673 01:23:06,827 --> 01:23:09,561 He called it the Freedom Medal of Valor 1674 01:23:09,579 --> 01:23:13,115 and they put together this 35-minute video. 1675 01:23:13,166 --> 01:23:18,037 IAS Freedom Medal of Valor winner, Tom Cruise! 1676 01:23:18,071 --> 01:23:20,406 In it, they just pump up this idea 1677 01:23:20,424 --> 01:23:25,094 that Tom Cruise is the ambassador of Scientology to the world. 1678 01:23:25,128 --> 01:23:27,797 He's known as the biggest movie star ever. 1679 01:23:27,848 --> 01:23:29,581 Tom Cruise travels this world, 1680 01:23:29,599 --> 01:23:31,750 meeting with ministers, ambassadors, 1681 01:23:31,768 --> 01:23:33,352 and the American State Department, 1682 01:23:33,387 --> 01:23:38,391 advancing LRH technology straight into the corridors of power. 1683 01:23:38,442 --> 01:23:40,059 It's about improving conditions. 1684 01:23:40,093 --> 01:23:42,228 It allows you to find out for yourself. 1685 01:23:42,262 --> 01:23:43,729 There's things that we can do to help. 1686 01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:45,531 They even did a calculation, 1687 01:23:45,565 --> 01:23:47,700 where they figured between his films 1688 01:23:47,734 --> 01:23:49,768 and all the "opinion leaders" that he had met 1689 01:23:49,786 --> 01:23:51,404 and all the travel he had done... 1690 01:23:51,438 --> 01:23:54,290 - Tom Cruise has introduced - LRH technology 1691 01:23:54,324 --> 01:23:57,943 to over one billion people of Earth. 1692 01:23:57,961 --> 01:24:01,247 No question, he has been a huge asset to them. 1693 01:24:01,298 --> 01:24:03,949 Which is why the story of Tom Cruise, 1694 01:24:03,967 --> 01:24:09,088 Scientologist, has only just begun. 1695 01:24:09,122 --> 01:24:11,123 I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist, 1696 01:24:11,141 --> 01:24:12,975 and it's something that you have to earn. 1697 01:24:13,009 --> 01:24:14,927 Scientology loves to use this word "end phenomena." 1698 01:24:14,961 --> 01:24:17,813 Every level has an end phenomena, 1699 01:24:17,848 --> 01:24:19,148 you know, that you attain, 1700 01:24:19,232 --> 01:24:22,184 and Tom Cruise shows that. 1701 01:24:22,235 --> 01:24:24,687 That video with him in the black turtleneck sweater? 1702 01:24:24,738 --> 01:24:26,489 A scientologist is someone who can look at the world 1703 01:24:26,523 --> 01:24:28,640 and really see what it is. 1704 01:24:28,658 --> 01:24:31,777 Not only look at it and see it, but be able to go, 1705 01:24:31,811 --> 01:24:35,030 poof, and be effective, and do something about it. 1706 01:24:35,115 --> 01:24:37,950 And he's as arrogant and as untouchable 1707 01:24:37,984 --> 01:24:39,368 as could possibly be. 1708 01:24:39,419 --> 01:24:42,505 At the same time, he looks like an utter crazy paranoiac. 1709 01:24:44,657 --> 01:24:49,295 And, uh... I know-- you know, she... 1710 01:24:49,329 --> 01:24:52,965 They, said, "So, like have you met an SP?" 1711 01:24:57,337 --> 01:25:00,139 And I looked at her, 1712 01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:03,109 and I thought, "Oh, what a beautiful thing," 1713 01:25:03,143 --> 01:25:05,811 because maybe one day, it'll be like that. 1714 01:25:05,845 --> 01:25:07,947 You know what I'm saying? Maybe one day, 1715 01:25:07,981 --> 01:25:10,816 it will be that-- "Wow. SP's?" 1716 01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:12,401 Like, they'll just read about those 1717 01:25:12,452 --> 01:25:14,353 in the history books, you know? 1718 01:25:14,371 --> 01:25:16,238 That's where it takes you. 1719 01:25:16,289 --> 01:25:19,875 That's the end phenomena of the Scientology Bridge. 1720 01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:21,994 All Scientologists are full of shit. 1721 01:25:22,028 --> 01:25:24,163 You know, they lie. "Aw, I'm doing great! 1722 01:25:24,197 --> 01:25:26,048 "You gotta get on seven." 1723 01:25:26,082 --> 01:25:28,050 You know, and they're fucking-- 1724 01:25:28,084 --> 01:25:30,469 "I've got a fucking migraine right now, 1725 01:25:30,504 --> 01:25:33,305 "and I've never felt so shitty!" 1726 01:25:33,340 --> 01:25:35,707 You know, that's the fucking life. 1727 01:25:38,061 --> 01:25:41,046 There's nothing part of the way for me! 1728 01:25:43,216 --> 01:25:44,817 It's just-- whoo! 1729 01:25:44,851 --> 01:25:46,652 He drank the Kool-Aid. 1730 01:25:46,686 --> 01:25:49,155 And in the eyes of Miscavige, 1731 01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:53,742 Tom Cruise is the perfect Scientology celebrity. 1732 01:25:53,827 --> 01:25:56,612 And nobody's benefited more from his membership. 1733 01:25:56,663 --> 01:25:59,281 I mean, the amount of free Sea Org labor. 1734 01:25:59,332 --> 01:26:02,734 - Sea Org members make - 40 cents an hour, 1735 01:26:02,753 --> 01:26:04,537 and I don't think there's any way 1736 01:26:04,571 --> 01:26:06,338 Tom Cruise is not aware of that. 1737 01:26:06,373 --> 01:26:07,706 The church has done so much for him. 1738 01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:09,925 They tricked out all his cars and his motorcycles. 1739 01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,379 "Oh, I want a new limo." "We'll build it for you." 1740 01:26:13,413 --> 01:26:16,515 Decked out Tom Cruise's hangar in Santa Monica. 1741 01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:20,603 Installed all the audiovisual stuff in Cruise's home. 1742 01:26:20,637 --> 01:26:22,938 Tom Cruise had expressed this fantasy 1743 01:26:22,974 --> 01:26:26,275 of wanting to run through a meadow with Nicole Kidman. 1744 01:26:26,309 --> 01:26:28,611 And so everybody had to work, and till the soil. 1745 01:26:28,645 --> 01:26:30,896 And then David Miscavige didn't like it, 1746 01:26:30,981 --> 01:26:33,465 and so the whole thing had to be ripped up again. 1747 01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:35,784 This was at the Gold facility, 1748 01:26:35,819 --> 01:26:37,453 which is this desert facility, 1749 01:26:37,487 --> 01:26:39,872 where this is all kinds of great stuff, 1750 01:26:39,906 --> 01:26:41,457 if you're Tom Cruise, you know? 1751 01:26:41,575 --> 01:26:43,158 Wonderful living quarters and a gym. 1752 01:26:43,210 --> 01:26:45,828 When Cruise comes up, everyone's told in advance, 1753 01:26:45,879 --> 01:26:47,779 "You better have a fucking smile on your face." 1754 01:26:47,797 --> 01:26:49,882 Everyone had to call Cruise "sir." 1755 01:27:12,739 --> 01:27:15,691 Thank you. 1756 01:27:15,742 --> 01:27:17,660 It's this side-by-side world. 1757 01:27:17,694 --> 01:27:19,862 There are celebrities like Cruise and Travolta, 1758 01:27:19,913 --> 01:27:21,363 and then, you know, there are people 1759 01:27:21,414 --> 01:27:24,667 who tell terrible tales of what happened to them in the church-- 1760 01:27:24,701 --> 01:27:29,204 being imprisoned and really horrible psychological games. 1761 01:27:31,491 --> 01:27:33,792 Tom was in Spain. 1762 01:27:33,826 --> 01:27:38,047 They were opening up a new Scientology church in Madrid. 1763 01:27:38,098 --> 01:27:40,716 And he was overheard to complain 1764 01:27:40,767 --> 01:27:42,685 that he needed a new girlfriend. 1765 01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:46,689 Soon after that, a young Scientologist premed student 1766 01:27:46,723 --> 01:27:49,775 named Nazanin Boniadi-- she was told 1767 01:27:49,809 --> 01:27:52,444 that she was going to get a special assignment. 1768 01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,179 ...number of transactions increase... 1769 01:27:54,197 --> 01:27:57,116 Years later, Nazanin became a successful TV actress 1770 01:27:57,150 --> 01:28:00,536 and she would have a small part in a Paul Haggis film. 1771 01:28:00,570 --> 01:28:03,455 But at the time, she was a dedicated young Scientologist 1772 01:28:03,490 --> 01:28:05,524 who believed in the Church's claims 1773 01:28:05,542 --> 01:28:07,493 for its humanitarian mission. 1774 01:28:07,527 --> 01:28:09,795 In fact, she set a monthly record 1775 01:28:09,829 --> 01:28:13,048 for selling books for the church. 1776 01:28:13,083 --> 01:28:16,535 Nazanin may not speak publicly about her experiences 1777 01:28:16,553 --> 01:28:19,555 because of an NDA the church pressured her to sign, 1778 01:28:19,589 --> 01:28:22,874 but I discovered details from FBI testimony 1779 01:28:22,892 --> 01:28:25,144 regarding her ordeal. 1780 01:28:25,178 --> 01:28:27,680 David Miscavige assigned Nazanin's case 1781 01:28:27,714 --> 01:28:30,316 to a key church official, Greg Wilhere. 1782 01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:32,484 He put her through a one-month program 1783 01:28:32,519 --> 01:28:37,356 of on-camera interviews, intensive auditing, and security checks. 1784 01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:39,575 She was moved into the Celebrity Center, 1785 01:28:39,609 --> 01:28:43,061 separated from her family, and certain problems were addressed 1786 01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:44,663 during this period of time. 1787 01:28:44,698 --> 01:28:46,999 One was, she had a boyfriend. 1788 01:28:47,033 --> 01:28:50,953 She is handed a transcript of his auditing session, 1789 01:28:51,004 --> 01:28:53,405 in which he admitted that he had an affair. 1790 01:28:53,423 --> 01:28:55,457 And so she broke up with him. 1791 01:28:55,508 --> 01:28:57,793 Then Wilhere took her to an orthodontist 1792 01:28:57,844 --> 01:28:59,044 to have her braces removed. 1793 01:28:59,078 --> 01:29:01,213 At Burberry and other stores in Beverly Hills, 1794 01:29:01,247 --> 01:29:04,916 he bought her $20,000 worth of clothes. 1795 01:29:04,934 --> 01:29:07,269 At the Celebrity Centre, a man who worked 1796 01:29:07,303 --> 01:29:08,854 for Cruise's hair stylist 1797 01:29:08,888 --> 01:29:11,923 colored Nazanin's hair to Cruise's liking. 1798 01:29:11,941 --> 01:29:13,942 Nazanin was told that her makeover 1799 01:29:13,977 --> 01:29:16,812 was a part of the church's humanitarian mission. 1800 01:29:16,863 --> 01:29:21,266 She had to look her best for conferences with world leaders. 1801 01:29:23,653 --> 01:29:26,938 Only after she was flown first class to New York 1802 01:29:26,956 --> 01:29:28,824 did she discover the actual role 1803 01:29:28,875 --> 01:29:31,160 that the church wanted her to play. 1804 01:29:31,211 --> 01:29:35,914 She was to be the girlfriend of Scientology's biggest star. 1805 01:29:37,417 --> 01:29:40,636 Within a month, Nazanin was living with Cruise. 1806 01:29:40,670 --> 01:29:42,588 While at his house in Telluride, 1807 01:29:42,622 --> 01:29:44,056 Miscavige came to visit. 1808 01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:46,225 Overcome by a severe headache, 1809 01:29:46,259 --> 01:29:49,128 Nazanin had a hard time understanding Miscavige, 1810 01:29:49,162 --> 01:29:50,662 which infuriated him. 1811 01:29:50,697 --> 01:29:53,131 The next day, Cruise, inches from her face, 1812 01:29:53,149 --> 01:29:55,984 pounded his fist on the table and screamed at her 1813 01:29:56,019 --> 01:29:58,270 for insulting the head of the church. 1814 01:29:58,304 --> 01:30:00,639 Two weeks later, church henchman Tommy Davis 1815 01:30:00,657 --> 01:30:03,192 delivered the news to Nazanin-- 1816 01:30:03,243 --> 01:30:05,694 the relationship with Cruise was over. 1817 01:30:05,745 --> 01:30:07,029 And they, according to her, 1818 01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,248 came to her apartment with her mom 1819 01:30:09,282 --> 01:30:12,117 and found every photograph of the two of them together, 1820 01:30:12,151 --> 01:30:15,087 and took them away. Every scrap, every letter, everything, 1821 01:30:15,121 --> 01:30:17,873 they... as if it never existed. 1822 01:30:17,924 --> 01:30:19,875 And she was really upset, 1823 01:30:19,926 --> 01:30:22,594 because she had been really hurt by the whole thing. 1824 01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:25,163 And she made the mistake of telling her friend, 1825 01:30:25,181 --> 01:30:28,517 who immediately went to tell someone in the church. 1826 01:30:28,551 --> 01:30:31,002 She agreed to do punishments, 1827 01:30:31,020 --> 01:30:33,222 like cleaning out the public bathrooms 1828 01:30:33,273 --> 01:30:36,308 on her hands and knees with a toothbrush, 1829 01:30:36,342 --> 01:30:41,063 while other people she knew were stepping over her. 1830 01:30:41,114 --> 01:30:43,065 She did nothing wrong, other than tell her friend 1831 01:30:43,116 --> 01:30:45,617 that she was heartbroken, and this is the way she was treated? 1832 01:30:47,570 --> 01:30:50,522 - The church claims that - Miscavige has no involvement 1833 01:30:50,540 --> 01:30:52,524 in Cruise's personal life 1834 01:30:52,542 --> 01:30:56,578 and that the search for Cruise's girlfriend never existed. 1835 01:30:59,466 --> 01:31:03,385 I wanna tell you something. 1836 01:31:03,419 --> 01:31:07,055 I have never met a more competent, 1837 01:31:07,090 --> 01:31:10,092 a more intelligent, a more tolerant, 1838 01:31:10,143 --> 01:31:12,377 a more compassionate being, 1839 01:31:12,395 --> 01:31:17,599 outside of what I've experienced from LRH. 1840 01:31:17,650 --> 01:31:20,686 And I've met the leaders of leaders. 1841 01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,771 Okay? I've met them all. 1842 01:31:22,822 --> 01:31:24,222 And so I say to you, sir, COB, 1843 01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,058 we are lucky to have you and thank you very much. 1844 01:31:28,394 --> 01:31:30,362 While Miscavige would do anything 1845 01:31:30,413 --> 01:31:32,531 for the Church's most famous celebrity, 1846 01:31:32,582 --> 01:31:34,449 Miscavige began to turn against 1847 01:31:34,501 --> 01:31:37,452 the Sea Org's highest-ranking executives. 1848 01:31:37,504 --> 01:31:41,089 He pretty much had international management shut down. 1849 01:31:41,124 --> 01:31:43,375 He was into this deep paranoia thing 1850 01:31:43,409 --> 01:31:44,927 about everybody is out to get him. 1851 01:31:44,961 --> 01:31:47,963 He very definitely 1852 01:31:48,014 --> 01:31:50,582 wiped out that organizational pattern 1853 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,935 in order to be able to have ultimate power. 1854 01:31:52,969 --> 01:31:55,220 In 2004, 1855 01:31:55,254 --> 01:31:58,273 Miscavige ordered the top officers of the Sea Org 1856 01:31:58,308 --> 01:32:00,559 to the Scientology's Gold Base 1857 01:32:00,593 --> 01:32:02,110 in southern California. 1858 01:32:02,145 --> 01:32:05,197 He forced them to live in a pair of double-wide trailers 1859 01:32:05,231 --> 01:32:07,616 that came to be called "The Hole." 1860 01:32:07,650 --> 01:32:09,618 The doors had bars put on them, 1861 01:32:09,652 --> 01:32:11,954 the windows all had bars put on them, 1862 01:32:11,988 --> 01:32:14,373 and there was one entrance door 1863 01:32:14,407 --> 01:32:17,543 that a security guard sat at 24 hours a day. 1864 01:32:17,577 --> 01:32:19,628 They had to stay there, sleep there. 1865 01:32:19,662 --> 01:32:23,048 It stunk and, you know, there were ants crawling around. 1866 01:32:23,082 --> 01:32:25,334 You'd sleep about an hour or two hours a night. 1867 01:32:25,385 --> 01:32:27,669 Um, you were in such a mental state 1868 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,389 that you're very controllable, very suggestible. 1869 01:32:30,423 --> 01:32:32,958 We were told we needed to come up 1870 01:32:32,976 --> 01:32:35,344 with what each other's crimes were 1871 01:32:35,395 --> 01:32:37,179 against Miscavige and Hubbard, 1872 01:32:37,230 --> 01:32:39,181 so that we could eventually get out of the Hole. 1873 01:32:39,232 --> 01:32:41,600 Scientology is really good 1874 01:32:41,634 --> 01:32:43,986 at making you think that you are a scoundrel. 1875 01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:47,406 "Confess your crimes! Confess your crimes! What have you done?" 1876 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:48,523 Fights would break out. 1877 01:32:48,575 --> 01:32:51,360 Miscavige would get me all riled up. 1878 01:32:51,411 --> 01:32:53,478 And I remember one time, Mike had done something, 1879 01:32:53,496 --> 01:32:55,330 or not done something, I don't remember, 1880 01:32:55,365 --> 01:32:57,282 and I was supposed to go beat him up. 1881 01:32:57,316 --> 01:32:59,534 One executive was made to mop up 1882 01:32:59,586 --> 01:33:01,453 the bathroom floor with his tongue. 1883 01:33:01,487 --> 01:33:04,322 Another was put into a bucket, 1884 01:33:04,340 --> 01:33:07,292 and pummeled by some of the women, and called a lesbian. 1885 01:33:07,326 --> 01:33:10,345 There was a very powerful air conditioner, 1886 01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:11,830 which blew straight down, 1887 01:33:11,848 --> 01:33:13,932 it was set on maximum cold, 1888 01:33:13,967 --> 01:33:16,101 and a guy was made to sit in a chair, 1889 01:33:16,135 --> 01:33:17,769 and had water poured on his head 1890 01:33:17,804 --> 01:33:21,056 until he literally turned blue. 1891 01:33:21,107 --> 01:33:23,225 Miscavige slapped me across the face, 1892 01:33:23,276 --> 01:33:25,010 knocked me on the ground, kicked me a couple times. 1893 01:33:25,028 --> 01:33:27,279 Flailing fists, kneeing him in the stomach, 1894 01:33:27,313 --> 01:33:28,780 getting him on the floor. 1895 01:33:28,815 --> 01:33:33,351 And you think, you want to get up and retaliate, 1896 01:33:33,369 --> 01:33:36,371 but you also think, "I got 75 other people 1897 01:33:36,406 --> 01:33:40,709 "who are all likely to tackle me if I did"... 1898 01:33:40,743 --> 01:33:44,463 and then you got the sheer shock of it. 1899 01:33:44,497 --> 01:33:46,298 Here's the equivalent of the Pope 1900 01:33:46,332 --> 01:33:48,700 suddenly knocking you on the ground, 1901 01:33:48,718 --> 01:33:50,302 and you're thinking, 1902 01:33:50,336 --> 01:33:54,056 "I must have really screwed up." 1903 01:33:56,009 --> 01:33:57,976 It was a poisonous environment. 1904 01:33:58,011 --> 01:34:00,178 People were really frightened. 1905 01:34:00,230 --> 01:34:02,681 And this went on for years. 1906 01:34:02,715 --> 01:34:04,850 This isn't a couple of days. 1907 01:34:04,901 --> 01:34:07,385 The nominal president of the church, 1908 01:34:07,403 --> 01:34:08,737 this man named Heber Jentszch, 1909 01:34:08,771 --> 01:34:10,405 he was in there for seven years. 1910 01:34:10,440 --> 01:34:11,990 What is the statement? 1911 01:34:12,025 --> 01:34:13,892 "God helps those who help themselves." 1912 01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:15,444 Well, in Scientology, we're engaged 1913 01:34:15,495 --> 01:34:17,162 in helping people help themselves, 1914 01:34:17,196 --> 01:34:21,249 so they can fully comprehend and understand God. 1915 01:34:28,091 --> 01:34:29,925 One night, 1916 01:34:29,959 --> 01:34:32,844 Miscavige comes into the Hole with a boom box. 1917 01:34:32,879 --> 01:34:36,348 He said, "I'm gonna teach you all a lesson. 1918 01:34:36,382 --> 01:34:38,884 "We're all gonna play musical chairs." 1919 01:34:38,918 --> 01:34:40,519 And musical chairs is a Scientology 1920 01:34:40,553 --> 01:34:42,387 administrative term for when you move people 1921 01:34:42,421 --> 01:34:45,807 from different posts rapidly, and you create instability. 1922 01:34:45,858 --> 01:34:47,142 They played the damned music. 1923 01:34:52,315 --> 01:34:53,765 He said, "We're gonna play it 1924 01:34:53,783 --> 01:34:55,951 to 'Bohemian Rhapsody' by Queen." 1925 01:34:55,986 --> 01:34:57,536 And he emphasized the line... 1926 01:34:59,572 --> 01:35:01,990 ..."nothing matters anymore." And that's your whole attitude, 1927 01:35:02,041 --> 01:35:03,709 that's where you live, that's who you are. 1928 01:35:03,743 --> 01:35:04,993 Playing that music, and stop it, 1929 01:35:05,044 --> 01:35:06,578 and everyone would have to grab a chair. 1930 01:35:06,612 --> 01:35:08,613 And there's one person left standing. 1931 01:35:16,222 --> 01:35:18,173 What Miscavige has warned them 1932 01:35:18,224 --> 01:35:21,426 is that the last person who remains gets to stay. 1933 01:35:21,460 --> 01:35:22,794 "Everybody else, you're expelled. 1934 01:35:22,812 --> 01:35:24,513 "You're going to be thrown out of the Sea Org." 1935 01:35:24,564 --> 01:35:29,101 These people were fighting to stay in the Hole. 1936 01:35:29,135 --> 01:35:32,137 Throwing people around, scratching, kicking. 1937 01:35:32,155 --> 01:35:35,107 They're tearing chairs apart, they're ripping clothing. 1938 01:35:35,141 --> 01:35:36,408 And whatever it took. 1939 01:35:42,365 --> 01:35:45,751 But then nothing happens. 1940 01:35:50,823 --> 01:35:54,092 "Out of the goodness of my heart, you can stay. 1941 01:35:54,127 --> 01:35:56,294 "But you better come clean. You better-- 1942 01:35:56,328 --> 01:35:58,513 "I better have some good confessions out of you." 1943 01:35:58,548 --> 01:36:02,184 I-- I mean, you-- you know... 1944 01:36:02,218 --> 01:36:05,387 as much as they get into everything that you ever think or do, 1945 01:36:05,438 --> 01:36:07,939 they never got into my think on this score, 1946 01:36:07,974 --> 01:36:10,358 that I would never go to prison. 1947 01:36:10,393 --> 01:36:13,528 And so it was inevitable, when I got-- when I-- 1948 01:36:13,563 --> 01:36:16,114 he literally created this prison camp. 1949 01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:20,152 Um, it was inevitable that I wasn't gonna last there. 1950 01:36:25,625 --> 01:36:28,410 It's embarrassing to have ever been involved with, 1951 01:36:28,461 --> 01:36:29,995 to think about it. 1952 01:36:30,029 --> 01:36:32,080 "God, I can't even believe I'm talkin' about it." 1953 01:36:32,131 --> 01:36:33,665 But it was bad. 1954 01:36:36,385 --> 01:36:38,737 - Let's say the FBI - showed up at the Hole, 1955 01:36:38,771 --> 01:36:41,139 and said, "This is the FBI. We're lettin' everyone out." 1956 01:36:41,174 --> 01:36:43,809 Do you think everyone would have said, "Oh, thank God, the FBI's here"? 1957 01:36:43,843 --> 01:36:46,561 No. I think that everybody, one for one, 1958 01:36:46,596 --> 01:36:48,680 would have gone, "What do you mean? 1959 01:36:48,714 --> 01:36:50,899 "We-- we're doing this voluntarily. 1960 01:36:50,933 --> 01:36:53,401 "We like living in these conditions." 1961 01:36:53,436 --> 01:36:54,820 Over the past week, 1962 01:36:54,854 --> 01:36:56,605 we've been reporting on allegations of physical abuse 1963 01:36:56,656 --> 01:36:58,023 inside the Church of Scientology. 1964 01:36:58,074 --> 01:37:00,158 We spoke with the ex-wives of some of the men 1965 01:37:00,193 --> 01:37:01,610 making the claims of abuse. 1966 01:37:01,661 --> 01:37:03,328 I read all of your affidavits. 1967 01:37:03,362 --> 01:37:05,363 Obviously, your ex-husbands have made charges 1968 01:37:05,397 --> 01:37:06,832 against David Miscavige, 1969 01:37:06,866 --> 01:37:09,584 saying that they have seen repeated acts of physical violence 1970 01:37:09,619 --> 01:37:10,869 perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige. 1971 01:37:10,903 --> 01:37:13,004 Is-- Is any of that true? 1972 01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:15,540 No. No. Not one ounce of it. 1973 01:37:15,574 --> 01:37:18,210 That's not the character of Mr. David Miscavige. 1974 01:37:18,244 --> 01:37:21,546 My ex-wife, Marty Rathbun's ex-wife, 1975 01:37:21,580 --> 01:37:25,267 Tom De Vocht's ex-wife, that were on "Anderson Cooper," 1976 01:37:25,351 --> 01:37:27,602 they all came out of the Hole! 1977 01:37:27,637 --> 01:37:30,188 They were all sent there to do that. 1978 01:37:30,223 --> 01:37:32,440 They went back to the Hole! 1979 01:37:32,475 --> 01:37:34,226 It's just ridiculous. 1980 01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:36,728 This line that my ex-wife said... 1981 01:37:36,762 --> 01:37:39,781 I lived with Mike Rinder for over 35 years. 1982 01:37:39,815 --> 01:37:42,067 I know every square inch of Mike Rinder's body. 1983 01:37:42,101 --> 01:37:44,903 She said it because she was told to say it by Miscavige. 1984 01:37:44,937 --> 01:37:48,039 And the proof of that is, when Tom De Vocht's ex-wife 1985 01:37:48,074 --> 01:37:51,910 then repeated the same thing over again... 1986 01:37:51,944 --> 01:37:53,962 I know every inch of him. 1987 01:37:53,996 --> 01:37:55,747 You gotta be kidding me! 1988 01:37:55,781 --> 01:37:56,882 Everything that happens 1989 01:37:56,916 --> 01:37:58,750 from the Church of Scientology is scripted. 1990 01:37:58,784 --> 01:38:00,802 Don't ever turn the other cheek and acquiesce, 1991 01:38:00,837 --> 01:38:02,587 hit 'em back. 1992 01:38:02,621 --> 01:38:06,808 Marty Rathbun suddenly went and leapt on top of Mike Rinder 1993 01:38:06,842 --> 01:38:08,593 and fought him to the ground 1994 01:38:08,627 --> 01:38:11,146 and started choking him and beating him. 1995 01:38:11,180 --> 01:38:13,148 And nothing seems to have been done about it. 1996 01:38:13,182 --> 01:38:15,066 Mr. Miscavige was not at the property at the time. 1997 01:38:15,101 --> 01:38:16,568 Do you not have telephones? 1998 01:38:16,602 --> 01:38:18,103 Of course we have telephones. 1999 01:38:18,137 --> 01:38:20,438 I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. 2000 01:38:20,472 --> 01:38:22,640 Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line-- 2001 01:38:22,658 --> 01:38:25,193 there is no history of violence in the church. 2002 01:38:25,244 --> 01:38:28,113 As somebody who ran PR for the church for a long time, 2003 01:38:28,147 --> 01:38:31,750 do you have any regret for anything that you did in that capacity? 2004 01:38:31,784 --> 01:38:34,202 Well, I think the biggest regret 2005 01:38:34,253 --> 01:38:38,673 is when John Sweeney at "Panorama" was doing his program, 2006 01:38:38,708 --> 01:38:41,042 it was the culmination of a lot-- 2007 01:38:41,093 --> 01:38:43,461 I mean, I'd been in the Hole for a year. 2008 01:38:43,495 --> 01:38:46,548 And I ended up being sent to England. 2009 01:38:46,599 --> 01:38:49,134 Hi, Mike. He was constantly going, 2010 01:38:49,168 --> 01:38:52,637 "Well, why do you have private investigators following me?" 2011 01:38:52,671 --> 01:38:54,773 I'm like... That never happened! 2012 01:38:54,807 --> 01:38:56,341 Ever, ever happened! 2013 01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:57,892 And of course there were. 2014 01:38:57,944 --> 01:38:59,694 I was following John Sweeney. 2015 01:38:59,729 --> 01:39:02,397 Oh, there it is. 2016 01:39:02,448 --> 01:39:05,367 Okay, there we are. 2017 01:39:05,401 --> 01:39:07,068 He's got his camera, 2018 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:08,870 he's standing there and he's saying, 2019 01:39:08,904 --> 01:39:12,324 "I want a response. I have credible witnesses. 2020 01:39:12,358 --> 01:39:16,628 "Did David Miscavige physically assault you?" 2021 01:39:16,662 --> 01:39:17,879 And I said... 2022 01:39:17,913 --> 01:39:22,384 Those allegations are absolute, utter rubbish. 2023 01:39:22,468 --> 01:39:25,170 Absolute, utter rubbish. 2024 01:39:25,204 --> 01:39:27,055 You have been assaulted by Miscavige? 2025 01:39:27,089 --> 01:39:29,474 Many times, many times. 2026 01:39:29,508 --> 01:39:32,510 Perhaps more than anybody else. 2027 01:39:32,544 --> 01:39:36,731 I was now sort of 2028 01:39:36,766 --> 01:39:39,734 at the end of my rope. 2029 01:39:41,187 --> 01:39:44,522 It was a real moment of clarity for me-- 2030 01:39:44,556 --> 01:39:46,891 "I don't want to be doing this anymore. 2031 01:39:46,909 --> 01:39:48,943 "This is nuts!" 2032 01:39:48,995 --> 01:39:53,665 That was actually the last thing that I did before I left. 2033 01:40:03,742 --> 01:40:07,796 So I'd been in Scientology about two and a half years. 2034 01:40:07,847 --> 01:40:10,048 I am kickin' ass. 2035 01:40:10,082 --> 01:40:13,685 I felt like I had gotten out of the fuckin' trap. 2036 01:40:13,719 --> 01:40:16,388 I didn't have to have a problem. 2037 01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,723 I said, "I'm done with auditing." 2038 01:40:18,757 --> 01:40:21,693 But they insisted on gettin' me back, 2039 01:40:21,727 --> 01:40:24,446 and said just, "Believe us, believe us, believe us." 2040 01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:27,198 I got so fucked up. 2041 01:40:27,233 --> 01:40:30,101 I mean, they-- they-- I went insane. 2042 01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:33,154 I was, like, stuck somewhere 2043 01:40:33,205 --> 01:40:35,957 in a tiny spot behind my eyeballs, 2044 01:40:35,991 --> 01:40:38,827 looking this way. 2045 01:40:38,878 --> 01:40:42,330 I mean, I-- I'd never experienced anything like it. 2046 01:40:42,381 --> 01:40:45,216 10 fuckin' years! 2047 01:40:46,135 --> 01:40:49,721 I was worse than the day that I walked in. 2048 01:40:49,755 --> 01:40:52,557 It was by design, 'cause they needed to-- 2049 01:40:52,591 --> 01:40:54,559 to keep me in there. 2050 01:40:54,593 --> 01:40:56,261 So basically, they had to 2051 01:40:56,295 --> 01:40:58,930 put a whole new case on me, so they could run it. 2052 01:40:58,964 --> 01:41:02,484 And they just kept tryin' to fuckin' keep me stuck in. 2053 01:41:02,518 --> 01:41:03,968 It was crazy! 2054 01:41:04,003 --> 01:41:09,107 So I finally said, "I'm going my way. You guys go yours." 2055 01:41:09,141 --> 01:41:12,994 I was pissed. I was sad. I was disillusioned. 2056 01:41:13,028 --> 01:41:16,247 And I thought, "Maybe somebody could interview me, 2057 01:41:16,282 --> 01:41:18,983 "ask me some questions about Scientology." 2058 01:41:19,001 --> 01:41:23,154 How I got into Scientology, and why I got out. 2059 01:41:23,172 --> 01:41:24,956 Post this two-hour thing, 2060 01:41:24,990 --> 01:41:27,792 and it was the #1 thing on YouTube for two days 2061 01:41:27,843 --> 01:41:29,827 before it "mysteriously" disappeared. 2062 01:41:29,845 --> 01:41:31,045 The best traps-- 2063 01:41:31,097 --> 01:41:33,631 you get a guy to just keep himself in jail. 2064 01:41:33,665 --> 01:41:36,801 Right? And that's what Scientology does. 2065 01:41:36,835 --> 01:41:39,304 I started getting all this communication 2066 01:41:39,338 --> 01:41:40,939 because of that video. 2067 01:41:40,973 --> 01:41:44,008 You know, "You saved my family." 2068 01:41:44,026 --> 01:41:45,977 You know, "You've-- I finally had the courage 2069 01:41:46,011 --> 01:41:48,179 "to leave after I watched your thing." 2070 01:41:48,197 --> 01:41:52,817 You know? I mean, like, there's blood and tears. 2071 01:41:52,869 --> 01:41:54,869 And then I started to find out, 2072 01:41:54,904 --> 01:41:57,188 you know, all the stuff that was really happening. 2073 01:41:57,206 --> 01:41:59,324 You know, I lost money, I got fucked, 2074 01:41:59,358 --> 01:42:02,693 but then I found out about the abuse in the Sea Org. 2075 01:42:02,711 --> 01:42:05,696 And I felt like, "Fuck me, I gotta do somethin' about it." 2076 01:42:05,714 --> 01:42:08,466 And I finally tracked down Marty Rathbun. 2077 01:42:08,501 --> 01:42:10,201 Everybody thought he was dead. 2078 01:42:10,219 --> 01:42:12,670 He was in fuckin' Mexico. And I went down there, 2079 01:42:12,704 --> 01:42:14,705 and I basically convinced him to talk. 2080 01:42:14,723 --> 01:42:16,541 And, like, "We gotta do somethin'." 2081 01:42:16,559 --> 01:42:18,176 And then he started his blog. 2082 01:42:22,214 --> 01:42:24,149 There was a beating every day. 2083 01:42:24,183 --> 01:42:25,483 And if it wasn't him doin' it, 2084 01:42:25,518 --> 01:42:29,404 it was from him inciting others to do it to others. 2085 01:42:29,438 --> 01:42:31,239 I think that it's a cult. 2086 01:42:31,273 --> 01:42:33,658 I'm doin' my own thing, I want to get on with my life. 2087 01:42:33,692 --> 01:42:35,527 I am telling the truth. 2088 01:42:35,561 --> 01:42:37,779 Suddenly I heard senior members of the church 2089 01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:39,397 were speaking out, 2090 01:42:39,415 --> 01:42:43,034 so I started to look, and I started to read. 2091 01:42:43,068 --> 01:42:45,036 And then I started to reach out to people. 2092 01:42:45,070 --> 01:42:48,206 Two of my daughters are gay, and told me 2093 01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,593 how they'd been treated within the church. I didn't know. 2094 01:42:51,677 --> 01:42:54,429 Paul Haggis's daughters were openly harassed 2095 01:42:54,513 --> 01:42:56,514 by church members for being gay. 2096 01:42:56,549 --> 01:42:58,716 Investigating further, Haggis discovered 2097 01:42:58,750 --> 01:43:01,853 that church doctrine viewed homosexuality as a disease 2098 01:43:01,887 --> 01:43:04,522 that only Hubbard's teachings could cure. 2099 01:43:04,557 --> 01:43:06,691 And a California chapter of Scientology 2100 01:43:06,725 --> 01:43:09,861 had supported a ban on gay marriage. 2101 01:43:09,895 --> 01:43:12,063 I can't be part of an organization 2102 01:43:12,097 --> 01:43:15,366 that doesn't support 2103 01:43:15,401 --> 01:43:17,619 human rights for everyone. 2104 01:43:19,955 --> 01:43:23,291 So I sent a letter to 25 friends in the church 2105 01:43:23,325 --> 01:43:25,043 that I was resigning. 2106 01:43:25,077 --> 01:43:27,495 And I'd hoped they'd read this letter 2107 01:43:27,546 --> 01:43:31,916 and be horrified by the things I'd found out. 2108 01:43:35,971 --> 01:43:38,423 A few days later, I drive home. 2109 01:43:38,457 --> 01:43:40,675 There have to be 10 people standing in my front yard. 2110 01:43:40,726 --> 01:43:43,061 I recognize them. They're my friends. 2111 01:43:43,095 --> 01:43:45,963 They said, "Paul, we need you to tear up this letter. 2112 01:43:45,981 --> 01:43:48,182 "And we need you to get all the copies and tear them up, 2113 01:43:48,234 --> 01:43:50,151 "and resign quietly." 2114 01:43:50,185 --> 01:43:52,270 I said, "I don't do that." You know? 2115 01:43:52,304 --> 01:43:53,804 "I'm sorry. I don't do that." 2116 01:43:53,822 --> 01:43:56,574 I sent a copy to Marty Rathbun. 2117 01:43:56,609 --> 01:43:59,193 He put it on his blog, one page on a day, 2118 01:43:59,245 --> 01:44:02,363 and didn't reveal my name until the Friday. 2119 01:44:02,414 --> 01:44:04,415 Monday morning, I woke up. 2120 01:44:04,450 --> 01:44:08,486 600 of the top newspapers of the world had it. 2121 01:44:08,504 --> 01:44:10,672 You know, it was in Bulgaria. 2122 01:44:10,706 --> 01:44:14,626 I mean, it was reprinted in seven languages. 2123 01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:17,128 I went, "Oh my God, what have I done?" 2124 01:44:17,162 --> 01:44:20,598 I mean-- it did garner a lot of interest. 2125 01:44:20,633 --> 01:44:22,216 People will judge you, one way or the other. 2126 01:44:22,268 --> 01:44:25,670 I figured people would judge me as really stupid. 2127 01:44:25,688 --> 01:44:28,005 But then, I was really stupid. 2128 01:44:28,023 --> 01:44:32,677 I was a part of this for 30 years before I spoke out. 2129 01:44:32,711 --> 01:44:36,364 I felt deeply ashamed. 2130 01:44:36,398 --> 01:44:40,318 Why didn't I do it earlier? Why didn't I look earlier? 2131 01:44:43,238 --> 01:44:46,491 People are so indoctrinated, 2132 01:44:46,525 --> 01:44:49,994 and have been in Scientology a really long, long time. 2133 01:44:50,028 --> 01:44:52,997 Or they've grown up in it, and they don't know anything else. 2134 01:44:53,031 --> 01:44:58,002 It's so scary to them to have to start all over, 2135 01:44:58,036 --> 01:45:00,538 and it takes a really strong person 2136 01:45:00,556 --> 01:45:02,724 to stand up to them and say no. 2137 01:45:04,393 --> 01:45:06,377 In 2009, 2138 01:45:06,395 --> 01:45:10,064 my son was on staff at the church. 2139 01:45:10,099 --> 01:45:12,817 And "The Truth Rundown" came out in the "St. Pete Times," 2140 01:45:12,851 --> 01:45:15,386 exposing what was going on 2141 01:45:15,404 --> 01:45:19,407 with the beatings, people in the Hole. 2142 01:45:19,441 --> 01:45:20,942 The church was very mad at my son, 2143 01:45:20,993 --> 01:45:22,777 because he knew it was going to happen, 2144 01:45:22,828 --> 01:45:24,696 and he didn't tell them. 2145 01:45:24,730 --> 01:45:27,332 And he didn't tell them because he had a good friend 2146 01:45:27,366 --> 01:45:29,667 that became friends with Mike Rinder 2147 01:45:29,702 --> 01:45:31,586 and Marty Rathbun, 2148 01:45:31,620 --> 01:45:34,956 and he believed what they were saying in "The Truth Rundown." 2149 01:45:37,259 --> 01:45:39,377 The church was threatening, 2150 01:45:39,411 --> 01:45:42,213 that he was gonna get declared a Suppressive Person 2151 01:45:42,247 --> 01:45:45,633 if he didn't disconnect from his friend. 2152 01:45:45,684 --> 01:45:48,219 My son, he was raised a Scientologist, 2153 01:45:48,253 --> 01:45:50,605 you know, and he'd been on staff. 2154 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:52,473 He made 30 bucks a week. 2155 01:45:52,524 --> 01:45:54,308 He headed up their Boy Scout troop. 2156 01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,062 He was like this consummate youth of Scientology. 2157 01:45:58,096 --> 01:46:02,150 The continental justice chief called him on the phone. 2158 01:46:02,201 --> 01:46:04,602 And it was after that the declare came down, 2159 01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:07,288 and he was just devastated. 2160 01:46:07,322 --> 01:46:11,209 The church told his friends everything they could find 2161 01:46:11,243 --> 01:46:15,329 in his PC folder to ruin his reputation. 2162 01:46:15,381 --> 01:46:18,082 I wrote this petition. 2163 01:46:18,116 --> 01:46:22,887 I tried to put in everything good that my son had done. 2164 01:46:22,921 --> 01:46:24,472 "Dear Sarah, Thank you for the letter 2165 01:46:24,506 --> 01:46:27,592 "that you sent regarding the situation with Nick Lister. 2166 01:46:27,626 --> 01:46:32,630 "I cannot approve that you continue your connection with Nick." 2167 01:46:32,648 --> 01:46:35,600 No one's gonna tell me when I can and can't speak to him. 2168 01:46:35,634 --> 01:46:38,736 No one, but me. 2169 01:46:38,771 --> 01:46:41,906 "Your committee of evidence findings and recommendations 2170 01:46:41,940 --> 01:46:44,742 "recommended you be labeled suppressive, 2171 01:46:44,777 --> 01:46:47,528 "engaging in malicious rumor mongering 2172 01:46:47,579 --> 01:46:51,165 "to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers 2173 01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,502 "or the leading names of Scientology." 2174 01:46:54,536 --> 01:46:56,671 My husband was charged with that one, 2175 01:46:56,705 --> 01:46:58,289 because he was telling me 2176 01:46:58,323 --> 01:47:01,325 what he read on the Internet about David Miscavige. 2177 01:47:01,343 --> 01:47:03,711 They say, "Don't go on the Internet, don't read. 2178 01:47:03,762 --> 01:47:05,129 "Don't go to these sites." 2179 01:47:05,163 --> 01:47:08,666 From the time that I got in, 2180 01:47:08,684 --> 01:47:12,386 for 30 years, I never read one critical thing about Scientology. 2181 01:47:12,438 --> 01:47:15,106 When I finally decided to open my eyes and look, 2182 01:47:15,140 --> 01:47:17,391 I was shocked, just shocked. 2183 01:47:17,443 --> 01:47:19,510 But if you're a member of the Church of Scientology, 2184 01:47:19,528 --> 01:47:23,364 and someone in your family, or a friend, or your spouse, 2185 01:47:23,398 --> 01:47:26,951 is skeptical or critical of the Church of Scientology, 2186 01:47:26,985 --> 01:47:30,071 you are supposed to disconnect yourself from that person... 2187 01:47:30,122 --> 01:47:33,708 Tommy Davis, who was the spokesperson for the church, 2188 01:47:33,742 --> 01:47:37,745 he's being asked about the policy of disconnection. 2189 01:47:37,796 --> 01:47:40,414 Anything that's characterized as disconnection 2190 01:47:40,466 --> 01:47:42,583 or this kinda thing, it's just-- it's just not true. 2191 01:47:42,634 --> 01:47:45,169 There isn't... I confronted him about this. 2192 01:47:45,203 --> 01:47:48,222 And I said, "Tommy, I don't need to search outside to ask for-- 2193 01:47:48,257 --> 01:47:50,558 "to check research and see if other-- 2194 01:47:50,592 --> 01:47:52,760 "this has happened to other people. This happened to my wife. 2195 01:47:52,811 --> 01:47:55,680 "You asked her and me to disconnect from her parents 2196 01:47:55,714 --> 01:47:58,149 "because of something trivial they did years ago." 2197 01:47:58,183 --> 01:48:00,151 My wife disconnected from me, 2198 01:48:00,185 --> 01:48:03,237 my daughter, my son, my brother, 2199 01:48:03,272 --> 01:48:05,239 my sister, my mother, 2200 01:48:05,274 --> 01:48:07,074 all of my nieces and nephews. 2201 01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:09,577 And that is the only family that I have. 2202 01:48:09,611 --> 01:48:11,746 You know, you label these people suppressive 2203 01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:13,865 so that, you know, everybody automatically-- 2204 01:48:13,899 --> 01:48:16,200 they're discredited, and they must disconnect from them. 2205 01:48:16,234 --> 01:48:18,669 And that's how you keep people in a bubble. 2206 01:48:18,704 --> 01:48:21,172 And that's what they do. I mean, my son was declared 2207 01:48:21,206 --> 01:48:22,623 because he wouldn't disconnect from his friend. 2208 01:48:22,674 --> 01:48:24,675 I was declared, and my husband was declared 2209 01:48:24,710 --> 01:48:26,627 because we wouldn't disconnect from my son. 2210 01:48:26,678 --> 01:48:28,379 And now guess what happened? 2211 01:48:28,413 --> 01:48:32,216 Everyone connected to us just scatters to the wind. 2212 01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:34,385 Through all of this time, 2213 01:48:34,419 --> 01:48:37,688 I have a daughter who's very much into the church. 2214 01:48:37,723 --> 01:48:40,758 I have a granddaughter 2215 01:48:40,792 --> 01:48:44,228 who's the love of my life, and who loves her nana. 2216 01:48:44,263 --> 01:48:47,098 I was planning on talking to my daughter, 2217 01:48:47,132 --> 01:48:50,201 and trying to tell her what was really happening. 2218 01:48:50,235 --> 01:48:53,754 She hugged me, she told me she loved me. 2219 01:48:53,789 --> 01:48:56,841 She said, "I have to disconnect from you." 2220 01:49:02,214 --> 01:49:05,349 So, um... 2221 01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:14,892 I just was concentrating on smelling her hair 2222 01:49:14,926 --> 01:49:17,695 and seeing the way she felt, 2223 01:49:17,729 --> 01:49:20,364 touching her skin on my face. 2224 01:49:23,151 --> 01:49:26,037 That's the last time I saw them. 2225 01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:32,710 It really is the crux 2226 01:49:32,744 --> 01:49:36,831 of how controlling is any religion 2227 01:49:36,882 --> 01:49:39,166 over its adherents, 2228 01:49:39,217 --> 01:49:42,086 and Scientology has perfected 2229 01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,473 a lot of techniques of control. 2230 01:49:45,507 --> 01:49:49,126 There is no logical explanation 2231 01:49:49,144 --> 01:49:52,763 as to why, other than faith. 2232 01:49:52,814 --> 01:49:55,132 Your future, your eternity, 2233 01:49:55,150 --> 01:49:58,319 all depends on you going up the Bridge. 2234 01:49:58,353 --> 01:50:02,356 It's scary. It's kinda like Christianity with hell. 2235 01:50:02,407 --> 01:50:04,358 If they don't have the Bridge, they can't go free. 2236 01:50:04,409 --> 01:50:08,312 They don't believe they can get it anywhere else. 2237 01:50:08,330 --> 01:50:10,364 It's like brainwashing. Really simple. 2238 01:50:10,415 --> 01:50:12,667 I mean, that's a scary word, 2239 01:50:12,701 --> 01:50:15,586 and it took me a long time 2240 01:50:15,621 --> 01:50:18,673 to come to that conclusion, that that's what's occurred. 2241 01:50:18,707 --> 01:50:21,175 You take on 2242 01:50:21,209 --> 01:50:24,662 a kind of a-- a matrix of thought 2243 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:29,183 that is not your own. 2244 01:50:29,217 --> 01:50:32,169 I think that's how I and other people got involved 2245 01:50:32,187 --> 01:50:34,221 and stuck through it for so long. 2246 01:50:34,272 --> 01:50:36,307 Because when you're out, you look at it, 2247 01:50:36,341 --> 01:50:39,894 and you go, "What the crap was I thinking," you know? 2248 01:50:39,945 --> 01:50:41,696 It's such a hard thing when you do wake up. 2249 01:50:41,730 --> 01:50:43,614 You go, "Oh my God." 2250 01:50:43,649 --> 01:50:46,117 Because you have this wave of regrets. 2251 01:50:46,151 --> 01:50:50,237 I just started to think that maybe my entire life 2252 01:50:50,288 --> 01:50:52,156 has been a lie. 2253 01:50:52,190 --> 01:50:54,659 You just don't see it happening to you. 2254 01:50:54,693 --> 01:50:57,662 You justify so much. 2255 01:50:57,696 --> 01:51:01,532 Cults, they prey on people, suggesting that, you know, 2256 01:51:01,550 --> 01:51:03,467 you should be able to think for yourself 2257 01:51:03,502 --> 01:51:07,254 and then tell you exactly how you have to think, or get out. 2258 01:51:07,305 --> 01:51:10,925 And if you get out, there will be consequences. 2259 01:51:10,976 --> 01:51:12,677 Come on, Marty. Got anything to say? 2260 01:51:12,711 --> 01:51:14,595 What's your name? Why don't you answer his question? 2261 01:51:14,646 --> 01:51:18,349 Beat it. I said get off my property, boy. 2262 01:51:18,383 --> 01:51:21,268 The real sustained campaign 2263 01:51:21,319 --> 01:51:23,554 began in early 2009 2264 01:51:23,572 --> 01:51:27,274 when I spoke to the "St. Petersburg Times." 2265 01:51:27,325 --> 01:51:30,494 And I'd been hounded and hunted like wild prey. 2266 01:51:30,529 --> 01:51:34,331 It's a policy of the Office of Special Affairs 2267 01:51:34,366 --> 01:51:36,250 authored by L. Ron Hubbard. 2268 01:51:36,284 --> 01:51:38,285 When somebody's speaking out against Scientology, 2269 01:51:38,336 --> 01:51:40,904 investigate to find out who the instigator is. 2270 01:51:40,922 --> 01:51:42,623 I started getting calls from the church, 2271 01:51:42,674 --> 01:51:47,178 and they're-- they're really, uh, comin' after me. 2272 01:51:47,212 --> 01:51:49,180 They showed up at my mother's house. 2273 01:51:49,214 --> 01:51:51,098 The feeling in the pit of your stomach 2274 01:51:51,133 --> 01:51:53,250 knowing that Scientology's chief dirty-tricks PI 2275 01:51:53,268 --> 01:51:55,586 was just on my mother's front step. 2276 01:51:55,604 --> 01:51:58,355 They've tried to destroy me, there's no question. 2277 01:51:58,390 --> 01:52:00,641 They create anonymous websites about me, 2278 01:52:00,692 --> 01:52:03,194 and smear me with a lot of garbage. 2279 01:52:03,228 --> 01:52:05,613 www.whoisTomDevocht.com. 2280 01:52:05,647 --> 01:52:07,431 WhoisPaulHaggis.com. 2281 01:52:07,449 --> 01:52:09,817 "Paul Haggis, the hypocrite of Hollywood." 2282 01:52:09,868 --> 01:52:13,537 "This guy is a sex pervert," or "This guy's a drug dealer." 2283 01:52:13,572 --> 01:52:15,289 In the meantime, 2284 01:52:15,323 --> 01:52:19,326 survey carefully to find out what he most values and protects. 2285 01:52:19,377 --> 01:52:21,545 Immediately draw up a three-prong program 2286 01:52:21,580 --> 01:52:24,281 to threaten it effectively. 2287 01:52:24,299 --> 01:52:28,636 I don't value anything more than Monique. 2288 01:52:28,670 --> 01:52:32,640 That's why this campaign ended up on our doorstep. 2289 01:52:32,674 --> 01:52:34,475 Was she there? 2290 01:52:34,509 --> 01:52:38,479 I knew they had their goons around. 2291 01:52:38,513 --> 01:52:43,567 And then the guy rolls down in window and I saw the truck. 2292 01:52:43,602 --> 01:52:45,936 And he starts filming, and I go, 2293 01:52:45,970 --> 01:52:48,138 "Okay, this is not good." 2294 01:52:48,156 --> 01:52:49,640 What's goin' on? 2295 01:52:49,658 --> 01:52:51,525 Oh, we're just doing a documentary. 2296 01:52:51,576 --> 01:52:52,777 A documentary? 2297 01:52:52,811 --> 01:52:55,029 Oh, a former Scientology deal. 2298 01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,198 But it would probably be a good idea if y'all went ahead-- 2299 01:52:57,249 --> 01:52:58,749 now that you've gotten what you need, 2300 01:52:58,784 --> 01:53:00,334 go ahead and leave the area. Sure. 2301 01:53:00,368 --> 01:53:02,086 Okay? 2302 01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:03,320 I don't know who these people are. 2303 01:53:03,338 --> 01:53:05,322 I don't know what they're capable of. 2304 01:53:05,340 --> 01:53:08,659 And now that I have my son... 2305 01:53:08,677 --> 01:53:12,880 I have a little Louisville Slugger I keep next to me. 2306 01:53:12,931 --> 01:53:17,301 It's been a nonstop onslaught, for five years. 2307 01:53:17,352 --> 01:53:18,803 - I told you to leave. - Get out of here. 2308 01:53:18,837 --> 01:53:20,354 Oh no, I'm leaving. 2309 01:53:20,388 --> 01:53:21,806 You can't even defend yourself on this can you? 2310 01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,340 What's your name? 2311 01:53:23,358 --> 01:53:24,809 I gave you my name, Marty. What's your name? 2312 01:53:24,860 --> 01:53:26,527 Marty, I gave you my name. 2313 01:53:26,561 --> 01:53:29,647 The people on Marty's doorstep were sent by Scientology 2314 01:53:29,681 --> 01:53:32,182 because the church had branded Marty a "Squirrel," 2315 01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,702 a term invented by Hubbard for former members 2316 01:53:34,736 --> 01:53:36,520 who threatened church teachings. 2317 01:53:36,538 --> 01:53:38,188 David Miscavige had you come all the way from... 2318 01:53:38,206 --> 01:53:39,490 Marty. ...San Jose. 2319 01:53:40,826 --> 01:53:42,326 - Marty! - You can't do that. 2320 01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:43,744 - You can't do that, Marty! - I just did it. 2321 01:53:43,795 --> 01:53:44,862 No, that's my personal property, Marty. 2322 01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,714 Yeah, that's right. 2323 01:53:46,748 --> 01:53:48,549 I got arrested, man. 2324 01:53:48,583 --> 01:53:51,385 I got arrested for grabbing this guy's glasses. 2325 01:53:51,419 --> 01:53:53,203 I said, "Don't look at her." You understand that? 2326 01:53:53,221 --> 01:53:55,256 Yeah. I heard her. 2327 01:53:55,307 --> 01:53:57,758 Of course, the guy had been stalking Monique for two years. 2328 01:53:57,809 --> 01:54:00,010 He looks like a leering pervert, 2329 01:54:00,044 --> 01:54:02,680 like Norman Bates from "Psycho." 2330 01:54:02,714 --> 01:54:05,482 I didn't break his glasses. 2331 01:54:05,517 --> 01:54:09,320 I just removed them from his-- from his face. 2332 01:54:13,408 --> 01:54:17,161 They got it all on videotape from their surveillance house 2333 01:54:17,195 --> 01:54:20,080 that was filming 24/7, 365, 2334 01:54:20,115 --> 01:54:22,867 for five years, across the street from us. 2335 01:54:28,273 --> 01:54:30,474 This lawsuit with Monique Rathbun-- 2336 01:54:30,508 --> 01:54:32,843 it's a brilliant legal strategy. 2337 01:54:32,878 --> 01:54:34,912 If Marty sues, the church just says, 2338 01:54:34,930 --> 01:54:36,297 "This is a First Amendment fight. 2339 01:54:36,348 --> 01:54:37,765 "This should not be in a court of law." 2340 01:54:37,799 --> 01:54:39,350 But Monique was never in Scientology. 2341 01:54:39,384 --> 01:54:44,138 She's suing David Miscavige and asking to depose him. 2342 01:54:44,189 --> 01:54:47,358 And Scientology will do anything to keep him out of that situation. 2343 01:54:47,392 --> 01:54:49,109 And the point is, Judge, 2344 01:54:49,144 --> 01:54:51,312 if you let me make my presentation, 2345 01:54:51,363 --> 01:54:53,197 on First Amendment law 2346 01:54:53,231 --> 01:54:55,766 that comes from the United States Supreme Court... 2347 01:54:55,784 --> 01:54:57,568 For every court date, 2348 01:54:57,602 --> 01:55:00,404 the church hires a bevy of high-priced lawyers. 2349 01:55:00,438 --> 01:55:03,407 They are determined to use every legal trick in the book 2350 01:55:03,441 --> 01:55:05,659 to keep Miscavige from having to testify 2351 01:55:05,710 --> 01:55:09,330 about church abuses or whether the religion of Scientology 2352 01:55:09,381 --> 01:55:11,582 is actually operated like a business, 2353 01:55:11,616 --> 01:55:15,502 controlled by the whims of a single individual. 2354 01:55:17,422 --> 01:55:20,307 In 2014, Miscavige celebrated 2355 01:55:20,342 --> 01:55:22,476 the ongoing expansion of the church, 2356 01:55:22,510 --> 01:55:24,728 but he was hiding a terrible secret. 2357 01:55:24,763 --> 01:55:26,296 Good evening! 2358 01:55:26,314 --> 01:55:28,349 The church's active membership has dropped 2359 01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,100 to fewer than 50,000 people, 2360 01:55:30,134 --> 01:55:34,304 yet the financial value of Scientology is soaring. 2361 01:55:34,322 --> 01:55:36,156 How about we just say, 2362 01:55:36,191 --> 01:55:41,195 2013 is the year we went stratospheric? 2363 01:55:44,148 --> 01:55:46,200 The church is making investments 2364 01:55:46,251 --> 01:55:48,202 and buying valuable real estate all over the world. 2365 01:55:48,253 --> 01:55:52,172 That financial clout gives Scientology enormous power. 2366 01:55:52,207 --> 01:55:54,491 It's a kind of tax-free shell company 2367 01:55:54,509 --> 01:55:59,380 growing past $3 billion in assets. 2368 01:56:06,504 --> 01:56:09,840 The church now no longer has a public face. 2369 01:56:09,858 --> 01:56:12,142 There's no spokespeople, 2370 01:56:12,177 --> 01:56:14,311 they don't do media interviews, 2371 01:56:14,346 --> 01:56:17,064 and that suits Miscavige. 2372 01:56:17,115 --> 01:56:19,316 There is nobody that he is willing 2373 01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:22,185 to have be the face of Scientology other than himself, 2374 01:56:22,203 --> 01:56:25,706 but he's afraid to be interviewed by anybody 2375 01:56:25,740 --> 01:56:28,409 for fear that they're gonna ask him questions 2376 01:56:28,460 --> 01:56:30,828 that he can't answer, or doesn't want to answer. 2377 01:56:32,697 --> 01:56:35,249 Where are the checks and balances on his power? 2378 01:56:35,300 --> 01:56:36,583 There is none. 2379 01:56:36,634 --> 01:56:38,368 So there are two things that could happen. 2380 01:56:38,386 --> 01:56:42,423 One is, the IRS would reconsider its tax exemption. 2381 01:56:42,474 --> 01:56:46,760 The only other thing is that some of these celebrity megaphones 2382 01:56:46,811 --> 01:56:49,013 could turn against the church. 2383 01:56:49,047 --> 01:56:52,349 And Tom Cruise should be leading that chorus. 2384 01:56:56,321 --> 01:56:59,323 Is there anything that you look back on, 2385 01:56:59,357 --> 01:57:01,725 in terms of your own career in the church, 2386 01:57:01,743 --> 01:57:04,561 and think, "Wow, I wish I hadn't done that?" 2387 01:57:04,579 --> 01:57:07,748 You know, we talked about karma earlier. 2388 01:57:07,782 --> 01:57:12,369 And, you know, it still happens that it's like it's just this-- 2389 01:57:12,403 --> 01:57:16,406 I constantly get presented with who I was, 2390 01:57:16,424 --> 01:57:19,126 and, you know, and I constantly don't like what I see, 2391 01:57:19,177 --> 01:57:21,712 and I sort of constantly keep dying deaths. 2392 01:57:21,746 --> 01:57:23,630 Um, and-- 2393 01:57:25,583 --> 01:57:27,751 I don't know how many more deaths I have left, 2394 01:57:27,769 --> 01:57:30,587 but I-- but I-- 2395 01:57:30,605 --> 01:57:33,524 but I regret 2396 01:57:33,558 --> 01:57:36,944 and I'm ashamed of, uh... 2397 01:57:38,363 --> 01:57:41,231 the entire experience, you know? 2398 01:57:41,265 --> 01:57:43,450 What I take away from it is that we-- 2399 01:57:43,485 --> 01:57:46,403 we lock up a portion of our own mind. 2400 01:57:46,437 --> 01:57:50,707 We-- We willingly put cuffs on. 2401 01:57:50,742 --> 01:57:54,294 We willingly avoid things 2402 01:57:54,329 --> 01:57:57,297 that will-- could cause us pain, 2403 01:57:57,332 --> 01:58:00,084 if we just-- if we looked. 2404 01:58:00,135 --> 01:58:02,503 If we can just believe something, 2405 01:58:02,554 --> 01:58:05,139 then we don't have to really think for ourselves, do we? 2406 01:58:05,173 --> 01:58:08,625 And so I can't damn these people who aren't coming out, 2407 01:58:08,643 --> 01:58:12,813 or who are hiding once they come out because they're ashamed. 2408 01:58:12,847 --> 01:58:14,815 You know, I-- 2409 01:58:14,849 --> 01:58:17,768 I-- I feel the same shame. 2410 01:58:17,802 --> 01:58:21,188 And I just-- I'm fighting back 2411 01:58:21,239 --> 01:58:25,609 by communicating, you know? It's a peaceful protest. 2412 01:58:25,643 --> 01:58:29,530 I want the truth to be known, 2413 01:58:29,581 --> 01:58:31,532 and... 2414 01:58:33,368 --> 01:58:34,785 Thank you. 2415 01:58:34,819 --> 01:58:36,520 You're welcome. 200406

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