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We will begin the session now.
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You will remain aware
of everything that goes on.
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Okay.
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We're going to find
an incident in your life
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you have
an exact record of.
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Then by sending you through it
at the time it happened,
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we're going
to reduce it.
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We will reduce the pain.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Tell me what's happening.
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Well, these things
get all so...
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I joined in 198--
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It was a bunch of young kids,
like I was young...
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We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
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Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
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- I think the first time I saw
- Hubbard, and I was in awe...
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We did, because you thought
we were doing good.
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I mean, so you had
some gratification.
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I felt a tremendous amount
of relief.
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I got the answers
for everything
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within the religion.
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What are you most afraid of?
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- It was dark.
- 3:00 in the morning,
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there's a knock
on the hotel-room door.
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Stop! I'll say whatever
you want,
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I'll write up anything
that you want.
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I flipped out. I started
punching holes in the walls.
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Things didn't seem quite right.
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And you just feel
so foolish at that point.
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Do you have a secret
you're afraid I'll find out?
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Yes. Yes.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Okay, all right.
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Tell me about it.
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I was 21 years old,
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living in London,
Ontario, Canada.
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I wanted to be
a documentary filmmaker.
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And someone had told me
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about what they called--
They said, "There's this cult
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"in New York
called Scientology,"
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which I'd never heard of.
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"And if you give them
all your money,
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"they'll make anything
possible in your life."
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And about six months later,
I was walking down the street.
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This guy was there
selling books.
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And I realized
they were all the same book--
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"Dianetics,"
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which again,
I had never heard of.
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He handed me one
and asked me to look at it.
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He was talking. I wasn't
really listening to him.
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I opened the cover
and it said--
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stamped on the inside page,
it said "Church of Scientology."
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And I said,
"Take me there."
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- All right.
- All right, here we go.
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I'm not a great multitasker.
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You know, and if I feel like doing
something, that's what I do.
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And, uh,
I was into this shit,
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and I was becoming
an auditor.
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Like, I was in Scientology
probably four months,
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and I had done more
than John Travolta had done,
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and he'd been there
for 85 years or some shit.
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My agents called, you know,
"You got an audition."
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"Eh, fuck it, I don't really--"
You know what I mean?
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I was on--
I'm on a spiritual adventure,
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and this was like, "Whoa,
this is an interesting road."
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You know?
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So, uh,
what was the question?
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So tell me, how was it you first
got involved in Scientology?
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Well, I was introduced to it
by some friends.
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I don't know if they said it
or if it was just talked about
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by others that
they had super powers.
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And I-- I was, like,
really young,
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but I thought, "I'd like
to have super powers!"
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But also I had done
so much...
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political-social work.
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So this really looked like--
that it was a solution
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to handling a lot
of the world's problems.
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Instead of trying
to handle things en masse,
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you could deal with it
person by person,
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make each person better, and thus the
world would get better and surer.
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Well, thank you very much,
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and welcome
to our Whole New World.
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It's a world where
the operative phrase reads...
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"Exceeding all expectations,
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"transcending all parameters,
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"extending the boundaries
beyond any boundary,
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"not to mention
Godspeed, lightning speed,
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"and a quantum leap in sheer
rapidity of progress up the Bridge."
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We're out to make every life
extraordinary.
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And if by chance it ever seems
laborious or a sacrifice,
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then you are looking at the
offramps instead of the highway.
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You are missing
the signpost up ahead,
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the one that reads,
"Next stop, infinity."
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Probably my favorite concept
of Scientology
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is a world
without criminality,
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a world without war,
and a world without insanity.
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And I know
of no other group
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that their goals
are that clear.
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Look, I don't--
you name me another philosophy,
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religion, or technology
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that one of its main goals-- besides
the three I mentioned earlier--
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where joy
is the operative concept.
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These are
the times now, people.
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Okay? These are the times
we will all remember.
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Were you there?
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What did you do?
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So what do you say?
Can we clean this place up?
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Yeah!
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Okay.
Because we're counting on you.
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Okay?
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All right?
To LRH!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Hip-hip--
Hooray!
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Scientology is such a subject
of fascination for people.
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How did you get engaged
in the story?
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Well, I've always
been interested in religions
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and why people believe
one idea rather than another.
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I've studied Jonestown,
radical Islam.
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They're oftentimes
good-hearted people--
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idealistic, but full of
a kind of crushing certainty
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that eliminates doubt.
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You know, my goal
wasn't to write an exposรฉ.
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It was simply
to understand Scientology,
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trying to understand
what people get out of it.
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You know, why do they
go into it in the first place?
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I was interested in intelligent
and skeptical people
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who are drawn
into a belief system
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and wind up acting
on those beliefs
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in ways they never
thought they would.
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The Church of Scientology
turned out to be
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two offices
above a Woolworth's store.
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He asked me,
"What's ruining your life?"
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I said,
"Oh, I'm in love.
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"I'm in love with this woman.
It's impossible.
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"I don't know what to do.
I need some help."
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And he said,
"We can help you with that."
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I said, "Really?"
"Yes."
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And I ran home and got her, and I
said, "We have to sign up for this.
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"It sounds really good. It
could save our relationship."
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So we both signed up
the next day to do a course,
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which I think cost $50.
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The thing that
absolutely got me
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and stayed with me forever
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was the very first thing I read
when you open the course pack,
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and it said--
I'm paraphrasing--
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"Don't believe any of this.
If it works for you, great.
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"If it doesn't, discard it."
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I was troubled by the fact
that they called it a religion,
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but I figured, "Oh, it's some tax scam.
It's fine with me.
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"I don't really care about that
as long as it works."
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The first exercise, after you do all
this reading and stuff like that,
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is this thing called
O-T-T-R-0,
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which is basically,
you stand-- you sit
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just like this,
eyes closed,
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three feet away from somebody
who's doing the same thing,
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and you basically
confront them.
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You know?
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And in Scientology lingo,
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I went exterior.
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Exteriorizing
is what they call it.
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You know,
you leave your body.
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So it was a... transcendent
experience for me.,
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and that made me go,
"Holy fucking shit,
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"this is-- wow."
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I was reading books, going to
lectures, and going to things--
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different events at the mission--
at the local Santa Clara Mission.
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And then I knew
I wanted to join the Sea Org
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and get really involved
as soon as I could,
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which would
be right out of high school.
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Sea Org is the most fraternal
order of the organization.
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It's people who really,
really believe in the cause
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and sign
a billion-year contract,
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which I did when I was--
you know, as soon as I could.
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I left skid marks getting
to that billion-year contract.
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You thought
you were doing something good,
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to have a positive effect
on all of mankind.
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That's what Howard says.
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Everything you do for endless
trillions of years
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depends on what you do here
and now within Scientology.
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I began to ask this question,
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"What is man?"
And I found, oddly enough,
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that nobody could tell me
what man was.
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What did he consist of?
Where was he going?
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What was he doing?
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To really know life,
you've got to be part of life.
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You must get down and look.
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You must get into the nooks
and crannies of existence,
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the-- you have to rub elbows
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with all kinds
and types of men
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before you can finally
establish what he is.
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And you in fact did this?
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Yes, I've slept
with bandits in Mongolia,
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and I've hunted
with, uh,
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pygmies in the Philippines.
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Matter of fact, I've studied
21 different primitive races,
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including the white race.
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And my conclusions were
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that man is
a spiritual being
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that was pulled down
to the material,
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the fleshly interests,
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to an interplay in life
that was, in fact,
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too great for him
to confront.
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And I concluded, finally,
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that he needed a hand.
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To understand Scientology,
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you have to understand the
life and mind of its inventor,
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L. Ron Hubbard.
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Hubbard was
a prolific writer.
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He actually holds the "Guinness
Book of World Records"
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for the number of books
published--
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more than 1,000.
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Hubbard got his start in the
Depression writing pulp fiction,
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named for
the cheap paper used.
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Writers were paid
a penny a word,
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so hey had to write a lot
to make money.
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Hubbard hammered away
so fast
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on long rolls
of butcher paper
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that he used to drop sweat
on his typewriter.
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Hubbard's career took off when
he began to write for a magazine
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called "Astounding
Science Fiction."
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Along with authors like Isaac
Asimov and Robert Heinlein,
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Hubbard wrote stories
with a sense of mission--
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to get man to the stars.
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He found his true mรฉtier
in science fiction.
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And a lot of
what Scientology is
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he had previously written about
in the form
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of his science fiction.
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He had the ability to fabricate
these amazing tales,
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and he transported
those imaginary stories
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into his theology.
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After Pearl Harbor, Hubbard
took command of a sub chaser,
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but he was still a man
prone to invention.
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He would write that he sunk
two Japanese subs,
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but, in fact,
just off the coast of Oregon,
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he opened fire on what
turned out to be a log
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and dropped most of
his depth chargers
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on underwater
magnetic rocks.
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When he accidentally shelled
a Mexican island,
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he was relieved
of his command.
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After the war,
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Hubbard ended up
in Los Angeles
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where he settled in with a small
group of seekers and visionaries.
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A guy named Jack Parsons,
a fascinating man,
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was one of the founders of the
jet-propulsion laboratory.
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And there's actually a crater
on the moon named after Jack.
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He was a significant
scientific figure,
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but he was also
the head honcho
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in this black magic cult.
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It was called the O.T.O.,
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or the Ordo Templi Orientis.
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They followed the teachings
of Aleister Crowley,
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a famous sexual magic figure
in England.
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Parsons had a mansion
in Pasadena.
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They would have ceremonies,
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and they were seeking
some sort of goddess figure
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that he could impregnate
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in order to create
the Antichrist.
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Hubbard moved in
and became Parsons' assistant.
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One night,
this beautiful redhead
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named Marjorie Cameron
showed up at the door.
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She was perfectly willing to
engage in this sexual ritual
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in order, supposedly,
to produce the Antichrist.
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She and Jack
eventually got married.
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That happened after Hubbard
ran off with Jack's girlfriend,
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Sara Northrup.
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Scientology
and Hubbard
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would later refuse
to acknowledge
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his relationship
with Sara.
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But we uncovered
Sara's own recollections
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of her time with Hubbard.
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He was 13 years older
than I was.
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I thought
he was a great war hero,
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a captain of a ship that had
been downed in the Pacific.
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And he was weeks
on a raft,
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and he'd been blinded
by the sun,
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and his back
had been broken.
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All these things
were complete lies,
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but I didn't know it
at the time.
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I believed
every word of it.
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- If only Sara had seen
- Hubbard's military records.
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In a 900-page file,
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Hubbard's activities are laid
out in extraordinary detail.
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Hubbard told people that he
had been blinded and crippled
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during the war, and the
practices that would form
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the basis of Scientology
had cured him.
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But his records show
that his only wounds
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were mild arthritis
and conjunctivitis.
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We had this terrible fight,
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and he told me he was going
to commit suicide
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if I didn't marry him.
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I really believed him,
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so we got married.
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We spent the winter in that lighthouse
on the lake in the Poconos.
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I remember one awful night,
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when I was asleep
and he was out typing...
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and he hit me
across the side of the head
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with a .45...
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because I was smiling
in my sleep,
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and he said I was thinking
about somebody else.
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I got up,
left the house,
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and walked
on the ice of the lake.
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I was terrified.
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He always said
that he would kill me
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rather than
let me leave him.
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The only good thing
I got from Ron
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was my baby.
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We moved
to Elizabeth, New Jersey,
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and he started
writing "Dianetics."
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The book was conceived
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and he started
working on it in 1950.
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He said many times that the
only way to make any real money
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was to have a religion.
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That's essentially what he was
trying to do with "Dianetics" --
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get a religion where
he could have an income
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and the government wouldn't
take it away from him
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in the form of taxes.
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"Dianetics" was
an immense success.
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From the moment
it was published in 1950,
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it swept through America and other
countries around the world.
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This book-- that's the
background of all of this.
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That's what started
all the trouble.
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We expected this to sell
about 6,000 copies,
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and it hit the top of the bestseller
list of "The New York Times"
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and just stayed there,
month in, month out.
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It was like
I started an avalanche.
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The Modern Science
of Mental Health"
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is considered to be
the fundamental text,
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which is the foundation
upon which all else is built.
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One of the theories
of "Dianetics"
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is to discover these things
that are very traumatic
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or have been very upsetting
to you,
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and if you can observe
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exactly what happened,
335
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the power of that incident
336
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to influence you today
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is removed.
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The concept of "Dianetics"
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is that you have
two sides of your mind.
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There is the analytical side,
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which is a perfect computer.
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It remembers everything.
It's flawless.
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It never makes a mistake.
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And then there's
a reactive side.
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And this is where
all your neuroses, anxieties,
346
00:17:34,181 --> 00:17:35,432
and fears are stored.
347
00:17:35,466 --> 00:17:38,801
And where do they come from?
They come from engrams.
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An engram
is like a memory.
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A man has
an automobile accident.
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He has a picture
of an automobile accident.
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He has all the sensations
of having been hurt
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in the automobile accident. It
takes him a long time to recover,
353
00:17:50,331 --> 00:17:52,332
because he's still wearing
the automobile accident.
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If you said,
"Hey, why don't you take
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"this automobile accident
and throw it away?"
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Well, all of a sudden,
he recovers
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from the automobile accident,
naturally,
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because the thing that's
keeping it impressed upon him
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and his body
is his mind.
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00:18:06,297 --> 00:18:09,132
An auditor is a practitioner
in Scientology.
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He listens
and he computes.
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We have a meter.
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A meter simply shows
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where an individual
is aberrated.
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00:18:19,009 --> 00:18:22,228
The E-meter is
a very powerful instrument.
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00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,647
It's one-third
of a lie detector.
367
00:18:24,681 --> 00:18:28,684
A lie detector would also measure
your respiration and pulse.
368
00:18:28,702 --> 00:18:31,204
There's two cans
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00:18:31,238 --> 00:18:32,789
and there's electrical wires
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00:18:32,823 --> 00:18:34,991
carrying an undetectable
amount of current
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into a meter
with a needle on it.
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According to the Church
of Scientology,
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it actually detects
the mass of your thoughts,
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00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,635
although there's no evidence
that thoughts have mass.
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The current
passes through your body,
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00:18:48,055 --> 00:18:52,058
and as your mental mass
increases,
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00:18:52,092 --> 00:18:55,311
so does the resistance
to the circuit.
378
00:18:55,346 --> 00:18:59,098
So the auditor will
ask you a question,
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00:18:59,150 --> 00:19:01,434
"Tell me about
an upset with your mother."
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00:19:01,485 --> 00:19:03,269
"What's truly bothering you
about being with, you know,
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00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,405
"with your wife's behavior?
What is it?"
382
00:19:05,439 --> 00:19:07,056
"Why are you upset today?"
383
00:19:07,074 --> 00:19:09,659
"Well, I had a fight
with my wife."
384
00:19:09,693 --> 00:19:11,411
"Well, I can see."
385
00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:13,329
"That there--
was that the same thought?"
386
00:19:13,364 --> 00:19:14,497
"Say that again."
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00:19:14,532 --> 00:19:18,334
And gradually, the needle
will have less response.
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00:19:18,369 --> 00:19:21,454
And in that manner,
you discharge the emotion.
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00:19:21,505 --> 00:19:24,907
Then you're asked to go back
to earlier incidents
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that were like that.
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And you might say,
"Well, my mother spoke to me
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00:19:29,263 --> 00:19:31,431
"in the same
scolding tone of voice."
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00:19:31,465 --> 00:19:33,633
And you recount that story,
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and eventually,
you discharge the emotion.
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00:19:36,937 --> 00:19:40,089
And that's very much
like Freudian therapy.
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00:19:40,107 --> 00:19:42,725
But with Scientology,
397
00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,061
then they'll ask further.
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00:19:45,095 --> 00:19:48,064
"Well, that's as far back
as I go."
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00:19:48,115 --> 00:19:49,616
Well, maybe not.
400
00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:53,870
The auditor might say, "Something
just registered on the meter.
401
00:19:53,904 --> 00:19:55,405
"What was that?"
402
00:19:55,439 --> 00:19:57,773
"I had an image
in my mind."
403
00:19:57,791 --> 00:19:59,492
"Well, what was the image?"
404
00:19:59,543 --> 00:20:01,211
"It was a barn."
405
00:20:01,245 --> 00:20:03,746
"Are you inside the barn?
Go back to that image.
406
00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:06,633
"Okay, open the door.
What do you see?"
407
00:20:06,667 --> 00:20:10,720
"Well, it looks like
19th Century France."
408
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:15,258
You walk outside
and you see
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00:20:15,292 --> 00:20:17,927
the people dressed
in their costumes,
410
00:20:18,012 --> 00:20:20,980
and the E-meter is
saying this is real.
411
00:20:21,015 --> 00:20:22,632
This is a real memory.
412
00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:26,269
It's just as real as those
other memories that you had.
413
00:20:27,821 --> 00:20:30,523
Beautiful little soft needle,
and everything's good.
414
00:20:30,574 --> 00:20:34,661
Needle's rising, which means
he's getting, you know,
415
00:20:34,695 --> 00:20:37,530
thinking a lot. The needle
just, like, goes "pfft,"
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00:20:37,581 --> 00:20:39,616
like a lot of shit
blows away.
417
00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:43,536
The theta bop, which is a very quick
little thing like, "doo doo doo,"
418
00:20:43,587 --> 00:20:45,788
which means
exteriorization.
419
00:20:47,341 --> 00:20:50,927
When you come out
of an auditing session,
420
00:20:50,961 --> 00:20:53,546
you feel euphoric.
421
00:20:53,597 --> 00:20:57,183
That confessional nature
makes you feel better.
422
00:20:57,218 --> 00:20:59,886
Somebody would say, "Oh, you're
going to have a session."
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00:20:59,937 --> 00:21:01,888
I would feel better
just hearing that.
424
00:21:01,939 --> 00:21:05,007
Man is asleep.
425
00:21:05,025 --> 00:21:07,176
He is hypnotized.
426
00:21:07,194 --> 00:21:10,446
Now in Scientology,
reverse the process,
427
00:21:10,481 --> 00:21:12,949
and you'll make him
wake up.
428
00:21:12,983 --> 00:21:15,702
Such a man becomes
un-brainwashed, you might say.
429
00:21:15,736 --> 00:21:17,453
He becomes unhypnotized.
430
00:21:17,488 --> 00:21:19,522
This sounds, Mr. Hubbard,
in a sense,
431
00:21:19,540 --> 00:21:23,076
like an extension of
psychology or psychiatry.
432
00:21:23,127 --> 00:21:26,713
Oh, no, psychiatry
has to do with the insane,
433
00:21:26,747 --> 00:21:29,666
and we have nothing to do
with the insane whatsoever.
434
00:21:29,717 --> 00:21:31,968
Is this is a form
of psychoanalysis?
435
00:21:32,002 --> 00:21:34,053
No, psychoanalysis,
they lay back and--
436
00:21:34,088 --> 00:21:37,640
Don't associate Scientology
with such people.
437
00:21:37,675 --> 00:21:41,060
That's terrible.
That's bad manners, you know?
438
00:21:41,095 --> 00:21:44,731
When L. Ron Hubbard
first wrote "Dianetics,"
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00:21:44,765 --> 00:21:48,434
he thought it was a tremendous
psychological breakthrough,
440
00:21:48,485 --> 00:21:50,853
so much so
that he would be recognized.
441
00:21:50,887 --> 00:21:55,908
He wrote letters to the American
Psychological Association.
442
00:21:55,943 --> 00:21:59,729
They couldn't make heads
or tail of his ideas.
443
00:21:59,747 --> 00:22:01,914
To them, it was like
psychological folk art.
444
00:22:01,949 --> 00:22:05,451
For instance,
he would talk about "clear."
445
00:22:05,502 --> 00:22:08,121
That means that
the individual
446
00:22:08,172 --> 00:22:10,256
has erased
his reactive mind--
447
00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:12,625
his unconscious mind
is gone--
448
00:22:12,676 --> 00:22:14,927
and he is totally alert
449
00:22:14,962 --> 00:22:16,929
and totally capable.
450
00:22:16,964 --> 00:22:20,249
Once you've taken away
all these traumatic memories,
451
00:22:20,267 --> 00:22:22,885
from this life
and previous ones,
452
00:22:22,919 --> 00:22:24,387
then you are clear.
453
00:22:24,421 --> 00:22:27,223
Someone who had
a perfect memory,
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00:22:27,257 --> 00:22:30,109
who was never ill.
455
00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:31,861
Your eyesight
would be better.
456
00:22:31,895 --> 00:22:34,063
We tested people
before Scientology processing
457
00:22:34,097 --> 00:22:35,898
and after
Scientology processing,
458
00:22:35,932 --> 00:22:38,618
and uniformly found
that their IQ had raised.
459
00:22:38,652 --> 00:22:40,703
We are making
such individuals,
460
00:22:40,738 --> 00:22:44,407
we're making them regularly, and
we're making them routinely.
461
00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,212
An overt act
is an effort to individuate.
462
00:22:49,246 --> 00:22:51,964
It is a withhold
of oneself...
463
00:22:51,999 --> 00:22:53,949
Ron gave lectures
everywhere
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00:22:53,967 --> 00:22:57,970
for large amounts of money, and
money just started pouring in.
465
00:22:58,005 --> 00:23:00,256
I mean, these people
were paying
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00:23:00,290 --> 00:23:03,309
$500 apiece
in the 1950s
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00:23:03,343 --> 00:23:05,311
for training
in "Dianetics."
468
00:23:05,345 --> 00:23:08,064
I felt that he was stealing
from people
469
00:23:08,098 --> 00:23:10,316
and that he was
hoodwinking them.
470
00:23:10,350 --> 00:23:13,319
All the business of sitting,
holding hands,
471
00:23:13,353 --> 00:23:16,639
and putting all these false
memories into people's minds...
472
00:23:16,657 --> 00:23:19,025
then they would finally
come along and say,
473
00:23:19,076 --> 00:23:21,994
"Oh, yes,
I can remember it all."
474
00:23:25,949 --> 00:23:28,818
We were surrounded
by sycophants.
475
00:23:28,836 --> 00:23:32,672
He began to believe
that he was a savior and hero,
476
00:23:32,706 --> 00:23:36,175
that he really was
this God figure.
477
00:23:38,995 --> 00:23:40,763
He was absolutely convinced
478
00:23:40,798 --> 00:23:44,467
that he had the cure for the
psychological ills of mankind,
479
00:23:44,501 --> 00:23:48,171
and that the only reason that it
wasn't being propagated far and wide
480
00:23:48,205 --> 00:23:50,840
was that the medical profession
had a vested interest
481
00:23:50,858 --> 00:23:53,309
in keeping people sick.
482
00:23:53,343 --> 00:23:55,311
I think he was afraid
that some psychiatrists
483
00:23:55,345 --> 00:23:57,780
would pop him
into an institution.
484
00:23:57,815 --> 00:24:02,068
He degenerated into
a really paranoid,
485
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,854
terrifying person.
486
00:24:04,872 --> 00:24:06,906
Sara threatened
to leave Hubbard
487
00:24:06,957 --> 00:24:08,541
unless he got
psychiatric help.
488
00:24:08,575 --> 00:24:11,360
He responded
by kidnapping their baby
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00:24:11,378 --> 00:24:13,379
and taking her to Cuba.
490
00:24:13,413 --> 00:24:15,965
He was incapable
of taking care of her,
491
00:24:15,999 --> 00:24:19,135
so he put her in the charge
of a mother and daughter
492
00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:21,254
who were both
mentally retarded.
493
00:24:21,305 --> 00:24:23,639
And they apparently kept her
in some kind of cage.
494
00:24:23,674 --> 00:24:27,643
He called me and told me
that he had killed her.
495
00:24:27,678 --> 00:24:30,379
He said he had cut her
into little pieces
496
00:24:30,414 --> 00:24:32,148
and dropped the pieces
in a river,
497
00:24:32,182 --> 00:24:34,267
and it was my fault.
498
00:24:34,318 --> 00:24:37,270
Then he'd call me back and say
that she was still alive.
499
00:24:37,321 --> 00:24:40,406
And this went on
and on and on.
500
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,242
When Hubbard came back
to the U.S.,
501
00:24:43,277 --> 00:24:45,578
Sara persuaded him
to agree to a divorce
502
00:24:45,612 --> 00:24:47,864
and give her custody
of their daughter.
503
00:24:47,898 --> 00:24:49,832
When I left him,
he cleaned out
504
00:24:49,867 --> 00:24:51,284
all the joint bank accounts
505
00:24:51,335 --> 00:24:54,420
so that I wouldn't
have any money.
506
00:24:54,505 --> 00:24:57,623
Hubbard soon lost
all his money, too.
507
00:24:57,674 --> 00:25:00,927
"Dianetics" proved to be a
passing fad, like the hula hoop.
508
00:25:00,961 --> 00:25:03,596
But Hubbard still had
his imagination.
509
00:25:03,631 --> 00:25:05,882
So he repackaged the ideas
of "Dianetics"
510
00:25:05,916 --> 00:25:08,467
into a religion
called Scientology.
511
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:12,772
Hubbard added more science
and more structure.
512
00:25:12,806 --> 00:25:15,558
Along with the E-meters
came a payment plan.
513
00:25:15,592 --> 00:25:19,395
Every step to "clear"
had a price tag.
514
00:25:19,446 --> 00:25:21,864
How would you describe
your business model?
515
00:25:21,899 --> 00:25:25,151
Rapacious.
516
00:25:25,202 --> 00:25:27,537
It's all about making money.
517
00:25:27,571 --> 00:25:30,540
Hubbard, from the beginning,
knew that
518
00:25:30,574 --> 00:25:33,976
people would pay for this
counseling at a pretty good clip,
519
00:25:34,011 --> 00:25:37,797
and so he continued to come out
with more and more levels.
520
00:25:37,831 --> 00:25:41,717
The real money was in paying for
these higher and higher courses.
521
00:25:41,752 --> 00:25:43,753
They were getting
into thousands of dollars.
522
00:25:43,787 --> 00:25:46,055
Those prices
kept going up and up.
523
00:25:46,089 --> 00:25:48,841
That's really
where Scientology begins
524
00:25:48,892 --> 00:25:50,927
to create
this indoctrination,
525
00:25:50,961 --> 00:25:52,795
is, "It's Hubbard
that came up with that,
526
00:25:52,813 --> 00:25:55,314
"only Hubbard, and you have
to be a part of our group
527
00:25:55,349 --> 00:25:58,768
"to get that spiritual satisfaction
you were looking for."
528
00:25:58,819 --> 00:26:00,636
The Hubbard College
of Scientology,
529
00:26:00,654 --> 00:26:04,106
Qualifications Division, Department
of Certifications and Awards
530
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:06,976
does hereby certify
that Anthony A. Phillips
531
00:26:06,994 --> 00:26:09,278
has obtained
the state of clear.
532
00:26:11,198 --> 00:26:14,417
As more members paid for Hubbard's
Bridge to total freedom,
533
00:26:14,451 --> 00:26:18,037
the church's coffers swelled with
hundreds of millions of dollars.
534
00:26:18,121 --> 00:26:20,990
From the beginning, Hubbard
tried to shelter that revenue
535
00:26:21,008 --> 00:26:22,875
from any government taxes.
536
00:26:22,926 --> 00:26:24,961
The founding Church
of Scientology
537
00:26:24,995 --> 00:26:28,431
attempted in 1967 to get
a court determination
538
00:26:28,465 --> 00:26:30,800
that it was exempt
from federal taxation
539
00:26:30,834 --> 00:26:34,336
on the basis that it was a
nonprofit religious organization.
540
00:26:34,354 --> 00:26:37,523
A federal court denied the
founding church tax exemption,
541
00:26:37,557 --> 00:26:42,011
saying that some of the church's
earnings from 1955 to 1959
542
00:26:42,029 --> 00:26:45,948
were used for the personal
benefit of private individuals--
543
00:26:45,983 --> 00:26:48,350
L. Ron Hubbard
and family.
544
00:26:48,368 --> 00:26:52,488
"ABC News" has repeatedly requested
interviews with Mr. Hubbard.
545
00:26:52,522 --> 00:26:54,991
We have been told
that he is unavailable.
546
00:27:11,608 --> 00:27:14,210
It was very exciting.
547
00:27:14,244 --> 00:27:18,597
It was that heady mix
of emotion and belief,
548
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:21,817
and it's--
you get stuck to it.
549
00:27:21,852 --> 00:27:25,855
It's so strong
that it sticks you like glue,
550
00:27:25,889 --> 00:27:28,124
and there's no way
you can get away from it.
551
00:27:29,192 --> 00:27:31,293
I was deeply convinced
552
00:27:31,328 --> 00:27:33,729
that we were going
to save the world.
553
00:27:33,764 --> 00:27:38,284
I considered myself
tremendously fortunate
554
00:27:38,335 --> 00:27:40,369
to be in that position.
555
00:27:41,922 --> 00:27:44,406
Out of the blue one day,
556
00:27:44,424 --> 00:27:46,292
I received this envelope
557
00:27:46,343 --> 00:27:49,745
with an invitation
to join the Sea Project.
558
00:27:49,763 --> 00:27:52,281
It was completely
confidential.
559
00:27:52,315 --> 00:27:55,051
I wasn't to tell anyone
about it,
560
00:27:55,085 --> 00:27:58,771
and I was so ecstatic.
561
00:27:58,805 --> 00:28:01,607
Here was a chance
to work with Hubbard.
562
00:28:01,641 --> 00:28:04,143
And I signed, "Yes!"
563
00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:08,263
I was on my way to the
greatest adventure in my life.
564
00:28:08,281 --> 00:28:13,152
We had an overnight flight to Las
Palmas in the Canary Islands,
565
00:28:13,203 --> 00:28:16,906
where we found,
at about 6:00 in the morning,
566
00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:20,209
we were taxied
down to a dock.
567
00:28:20,244 --> 00:28:22,962
We had to climb up
this rickety ladder,
568
00:28:22,996 --> 00:28:25,247
all the way up
to the ship,
569
00:28:25,281 --> 00:28:27,750
and we couldn't believe
this was where we were going.
570
00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:31,087
This ship
was a rusty hulk.
571
00:28:31,121 --> 00:28:34,590
I was given a dirty
old jumpsuit to get into,
572
00:28:34,624 --> 00:28:38,394
missing one arm and the other
one was almost half torn off,
573
00:28:38,428 --> 00:28:42,598
and put to work. We had to scrub
the ship and clean out the ship,
574
00:28:42,632 --> 00:28:46,235
which was arduous,
strenuous work,
575
00:28:46,269 --> 00:28:47,937
in the heat.
576
00:28:47,971 --> 00:28:50,156
Hubbard came
to the ship every day,
577
00:28:50,190 --> 00:28:54,276
smoking cigarettes
and surveying his kingdom.
578
00:28:54,327 --> 00:28:56,979
After dinner,
he'd come and join us
579
00:28:56,997 --> 00:28:59,198
on the well deck.
580
00:28:59,249 --> 00:29:01,483
There he was, you know,
right amongst us,
581
00:29:01,501 --> 00:29:03,285
talking to us.
582
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:07,039
He would be
his most magnificent self
583
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:09,425
at those times.
584
00:29:09,459 --> 00:29:12,995
He'd lean back,
he'd look up at the cosmos,
585
00:29:13,013 --> 00:29:16,382
and he'd point out galaxies
586
00:29:16,433 --> 00:29:18,267
and constellations,
587
00:29:18,301 --> 00:29:21,187
and he'd say, "The Fifth
Invaders are up there,
588
00:29:21,221 --> 00:29:24,106
"and this is how they dressed
and this is how they talk.
589
00:29:24,141 --> 00:29:26,725
"And see that blip
across the sky over there?"
590
00:29:26,777 --> 00:29:30,679
He'd point it out, and we were
all, "Yes, we see it, we see it."
591
00:29:30,697 --> 00:29:33,032
He'd say, "And that's one
of their space vessels..."
592
00:29:33,066 --> 00:29:36,518
- And there was-- the Fourth
- Invader force was here.
593
00:29:36,536 --> 00:29:39,238
The Fifth Invader Force
came in.
594
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:43,242
And the name of this solar
system is Space Station 33.
595
00:29:43,293 --> 00:29:45,961
The Fourth Invader force
had been there
596
00:29:45,996 --> 00:29:48,247
for God knows how many
skillion years,
597
00:29:48,298 --> 00:29:49,715
had been sitting down...
598
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,084
...and we'd sit there,
spellbound.
599
00:29:52,135 --> 00:29:55,421
You could hear a pin drop
on that ship.
600
00:29:55,472 --> 00:30:00,142
He had us emotionally
captured and held
601
00:30:00,177 --> 00:30:03,729
right there in the palm of
his hand where he wanted us.
602
00:30:03,763 --> 00:30:06,015
He had us right there.
603
00:30:07,984 --> 00:30:09,652
In the early '60s,
604
00:30:09,686 --> 00:30:12,354
Hubbard was under investigation
in various countries.
605
00:30:12,388 --> 00:30:15,324
His solution was to take
to the high seas.
606
00:30:15,358 --> 00:30:18,494
He made himself commodore
of a fleet of three ships,
607
00:30:18,528 --> 00:30:20,429
a Scientology navy.
608
00:30:21,748 --> 00:30:23,249
To crew the vessels,
609
00:30:23,283 --> 00:30:24,900
he created
the Sea Organization.
610
00:30:24,918 --> 00:30:27,203
The members of
this so-called Sea Org
611
00:30:27,237 --> 00:30:29,622
would become
the church's clergy.
612
00:30:29,673 --> 00:30:32,374
They began going
from port to port
613
00:30:32,408 --> 00:30:35,294
in the Mediterranean,
show up for a few days,
614
00:30:35,345 --> 00:30:37,763
and then go off-- sail off
in some other direction.
615
00:30:37,797 --> 00:30:40,249
And a very enterprising
reporter
616
00:30:40,267 --> 00:30:42,417
for Grenada Television
in Britain
617
00:30:42,435 --> 00:30:43,752
tracked him down...
618
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:45,521
Slate one,
take one.
619
00:30:45,555 --> 00:30:47,556
That's one
of the very few instances
620
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:50,559
where Hubbard has actually
appeared on camera.
621
00:30:51,728 --> 00:30:53,779
What are you actually doing
622
00:30:53,813 --> 00:30:55,648
on this ship now?
623
00:30:55,699 --> 00:30:58,767
I am studying
ancient civilizations,
624
00:30:58,785 --> 00:31:02,204
trying to find
what happened to them,
625
00:31:02,239 --> 00:31:04,740
finding out
why they went...
626
00:31:04,774 --> 00:31:08,443
into a decline,
why they died.
627
00:31:08,461 --> 00:31:12,464
Hubbard believed that
he had lived various lives
628
00:31:12,499 --> 00:31:16,468
in the Mediterranean area
as a Venetian prince,
629
00:31:16,503 --> 00:31:18,804
as an Italian prince.
630
00:31:18,838 --> 00:31:20,673
As a matter of fact,
it's quite interesting
631
00:31:20,724 --> 00:31:23,458
that exercises
can be conducted,
632
00:31:23,476 --> 00:31:26,312
which demonstrate conclusively
that there are memories
633
00:31:26,346 --> 00:31:28,430
which exist prior
to this life.
634
00:31:28,465 --> 00:31:31,901
He had buried treasure
all around the coastline,
635
00:31:31,935 --> 00:31:36,488
and he wanted to go find
all these caches of treasure.
636
00:31:36,523 --> 00:31:39,775
We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
637
00:31:39,809 --> 00:31:43,145
Whatever was
his whim, we did.
638
00:31:43,179 --> 00:31:45,114
We would have died
for the old man.
639
00:31:46,416 --> 00:31:47,816
Don't you wake up
sometimes
640
00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:50,452
in the middle of the night
and think to yourself,
641
00:31:50,486 --> 00:31:52,788
"Well, I've been on this ship
with a whole lot
642
00:31:52,822 --> 00:31:55,324
"of Scientologists
who believe I'm fantastic..."
643
00:31:55,342 --> 00:31:57,259
They don't believe
I'm fantastic.
644
00:31:57,294 --> 00:32:02,014
If you saw the number of times
they don't follow my orders...
645
00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:05,834
LRH started to devise
646
00:32:05,852 --> 00:32:08,771
a system of penalties
or punishments
647
00:32:08,805 --> 00:32:10,389
or what he called ethics.
648
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,309
And one of the penalties
for the auditors
649
00:32:13,343 --> 00:32:15,527
making mistakes
in their auditing sessions
650
00:32:15,562 --> 00:32:17,730
was to be tossed
overboard.
651
00:32:17,781 --> 00:32:20,399
"You have done such and such
and such and such,
652
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:23,035
"and we commit your errors
to the deep."
653
00:32:23,069 --> 00:32:26,322
And then just pushed
overboard.
654
00:32:26,373 --> 00:32:29,541
30 feet, 35 feet,
655
00:32:47,177 --> 00:32:50,545
Do you ever think that
you might be quite mad?
656
00:32:50,563 --> 00:32:52,881
Oh, yes!
657
00:32:52,899 --> 00:32:56,318
The one man in the world
who never believes he's mad
658
00:32:56,353 --> 00:32:58,570
is the madman.
659
00:33:17,607 --> 00:33:20,609
So we got married a year
and a half after we joined
660
00:33:20,643 --> 00:33:23,212
and moved to California.
I wanted to be a writer,
661
00:33:23,246 --> 00:33:25,614
and my wife--
she was studying Scientology.
662
00:33:25,648 --> 00:33:28,150
We had a baby right away,
and the only people
663
00:33:28,184 --> 00:33:30,252
we knew there
were Scientologists.
664
00:33:30,286 --> 00:33:32,888
I was working as a furniture
mover during the day
665
00:33:32,922 --> 00:33:35,591
and writing spec scripts
at night.
666
00:33:35,625 --> 00:33:38,260
Then on the weekends, I'd be,
you know, doing some auditing.
667
00:33:38,278 --> 00:33:40,062
Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
668
00:33:40,113 --> 00:33:41,430
There was
a social aspect to it too.
669
00:33:41,448 --> 00:33:42,898
You got to hang out
with people.
670
00:33:42,932 --> 00:33:45,934
And there were some interesting
people, nice people.
671
00:33:45,952 --> 00:33:47,953
These are all people who are
looking to improve their life.
672
00:34:10,427 --> 00:34:12,895
While Hubbard was hiding
from public view,
673
00:34:12,929 --> 00:34:15,964
he was very active in directing
the operations of the church,
674
00:34:15,982 --> 00:34:18,100
particularly
in Hollywood.
675
00:34:18,134 --> 00:34:20,602
This was just after
the Haight-Ashbury era.
676
00:34:20,636 --> 00:34:23,272
And what Scientology
was selling itself is,
677
00:34:23,306 --> 00:34:25,741
"Get high
without drugs."
678
00:34:25,775 --> 00:34:28,994
It was a place where people
went and explored ideas,
679
00:34:29,028 --> 00:34:31,830
and you would often see
famous people--
680
00:34:31,865 --> 00:34:35,117
Leonard Cohen,
members of the Grateful Dead,
681
00:34:35,151 --> 00:34:36,869
Rock Hudson.
682
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,538
So they built
the Celebrity Centre.
683
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:43,158
The idea was to draw in
these famous entertainers
684
00:34:43,176 --> 00:34:47,262
and use them as pitchmen
for the religion.
685
00:34:47,297 --> 00:34:49,098
In an industry
like Hollywood,
686
00:34:49,132 --> 00:34:52,801
where stardom is such--
such an illusive quality,
687
00:34:52,836 --> 00:34:56,872
Scientology would offer a route to
maybe feel a little bit more secure.
688
00:34:56,906 --> 00:34:59,975
And when you're trying to break
in, you're also dealing with
689
00:35:00,009 --> 00:35:01,693
relentless rejection.
690
00:35:01,728 --> 00:35:03,612
And something
that helps you stay focused
691
00:35:03,646 --> 00:35:06,198
and feel that
you're improving yourself
692
00:35:06,232 --> 00:35:09,735
and becoming more clear,
you can see the appeal of that.
693
00:35:09,786 --> 00:35:14,573
The beliefs and practices that
I have studied in Scientology
694
00:35:14,624 --> 00:35:17,409
have been invaluable to me.
695
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,495
Have you ever met
Ron Hubbard?
696
00:35:19,546 --> 00:35:23,332
I'd love to. I'd be honored,
because I think he's so brilliant.
697
00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:29,338
So when I worked
at the Celebrity Centre,
698
00:35:29,372 --> 00:35:32,674
I would just, you know,
recruit various people.
699
00:35:32,708 --> 00:35:36,812
Like Priscilla Presley
and of course John Travolta.
700
00:35:36,846 --> 00:35:39,932
Johnny-- he came,
he started on course,
701
00:35:39,983 --> 00:35:42,518
and he was so fun
and outrageous.
702
00:35:42,552 --> 00:35:45,787
And he just made a party
wherever he was.
703
00:35:45,822 --> 00:35:48,073
John Travolta
was a young actor
704
00:35:48,107 --> 00:35:51,393
in his very first movie.
705
00:35:51,411 --> 00:35:53,745
He was a troubled young man,
706
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:55,247
and he was looking
for help.
707
00:35:55,281 --> 00:35:59,284
A fellow actor gave him a little
bit of Scientology counseling.
708
00:35:59,335 --> 00:36:01,086
She gave him a copy
of "Dianetics,"
709
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,372
and he was transported
by this.
710
00:36:03,406 --> 00:36:04,739
He would go out
on his auditions,
711
00:36:04,757 --> 00:36:06,241
and no matter
what he went out for,
712
00:36:06,259 --> 00:36:09,094
he would get it.
713
00:36:09,128 --> 00:36:11,430
A Band-Aid commercial,
right away he booked that.
714
00:36:11,464 --> 00:36:12,931
Now the Army starts you...
715
00:36:12,966 --> 00:36:14,466
He was booking everything,
716
00:36:14,517 --> 00:36:16,768
and then he went up
for a series.
717
00:36:16,803 --> 00:36:18,270
Of course, he books it.
718
00:36:18,304 --> 00:36:20,806
And it's a big series--
"Welcome Back, Kotter."
719
00:36:20,857 --> 00:36:22,608
Up your nose
with a rubber hose!
720
00:36:24,611 --> 00:36:26,612
In the late '70s
and early '80s,
721
00:36:26,646 --> 00:36:30,299
John Travolta was
Scientology's biggest star.
722
00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:34,203
Spanky was assigned to be Travolta's
key contact with the church,
723
00:36:34,237 --> 00:36:37,839
and she helped out with
producers, fans, and the press.
724
00:36:37,874 --> 00:36:40,976
They became close,
and when Spanky got married,
725
00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:42,711
Travolta was there.
726
00:36:42,745 --> 00:36:45,647
When Johnny first
got into Scientology,
727
00:36:45,682 --> 00:36:47,799
he didn't even believe in
himself that much.
728
00:36:47,834 --> 00:36:50,385
But he got injected
with a lot of confidence,
729
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:52,804
and then you get
this phobia inducement
730
00:36:52,839 --> 00:36:55,924
that "If I leave, it's all
going to go down the tubes."
731
00:36:55,958 --> 00:36:58,010
When you're in
the organization,
732
00:36:58,061 --> 00:37:00,229
all the good
that happens to you
733
00:37:00,263 --> 00:37:01,963
is because of Scientology,
734
00:37:01,981 --> 00:37:05,017
and everything that doesn't,
that isn't good, is your fault.
735
00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:09,804
They sell it all in the beginning
as something quite logical.
736
00:37:09,822 --> 00:37:12,441
Everything makes sense.
737
00:37:12,475 --> 00:37:14,910
And you're going up
what they call the Bridge,
738
00:37:14,944 --> 00:37:17,029
you're dong this auditing,
and this is good.
739
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,248
And the next one,
well, it's not quite as good.
740
00:37:19,282 --> 00:37:22,117
It didn't quite make sense
to you, but...
741
00:37:22,151 --> 00:37:24,953
you know, you've already paid for the
next one, so you'll do that one.
742
00:37:27,006 --> 00:37:29,824
The Bridge--
it's a metaphor.
743
00:37:29,842 --> 00:37:32,327
You start here
at the bottom of the Bridge
744
00:37:32,345 --> 00:37:34,179
and then you go to the top,
so where it is--
745
00:37:34,213 --> 00:37:36,348
it's an awareness scale.
746
00:37:36,382 --> 00:37:39,635
You start down here and
you're not aware of anything,
747
00:37:39,669 --> 00:37:42,187
then you go up here
and you're a lot more aware
748
00:37:42,221 --> 00:37:44,856
of who you are,
749
00:37:44,891 --> 00:37:49,311
your spirituality,
your relationship to others.
750
00:37:49,345 --> 00:37:52,481
A person is supposed to
become more able
751
00:37:52,515 --> 00:37:54,232
as they go up the Bridge.
752
00:37:54,284 --> 00:37:58,353
And then there are
the OT levels--
753
00:37:58,371 --> 00:38:00,038
Operating Thetan.
754
00:38:00,073 --> 00:38:02,190
And a thetan
is a spiritual being.
755
00:38:02,208 --> 00:38:04,693
That's the soul
of the person.
756
00:38:04,711 --> 00:38:07,329
And what level, over time,
did you achieve?
757
00:38:07,363 --> 00:38:10,031
OT eight.
That's the highest there is.
758
00:38:10,049 --> 00:38:12,551
You can't get any higher
than OT eight.
759
00:38:12,585 --> 00:38:14,386
From the beginning,
you hear these stories
760
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:17,222
people tell of these abilities
they've been able to gain.
761
00:38:17,256 --> 00:38:20,875
It was always talked about, the people
who were OT could read your mind,
762
00:38:20,893 --> 00:38:23,478
and they could
move objects at will,
763
00:38:23,513 --> 00:38:27,516
and they could-- they were cause over
matter, energy, space, and time,
764
00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:30,402
so it sounded
damn good to me.
765
00:38:30,436 --> 00:38:32,887
I mean, I thought,
"Wow, this is great."
766
00:38:32,905 --> 00:38:37,109
I finally get to OT three,
767
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,077
and they give me
the secret materials,
768
00:38:39,112 --> 00:38:40,779
which I've been hearing about
all this time.
769
00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:42,831
They're handwritten
by Hubbard.
770
00:38:42,865 --> 00:38:45,417
You have to keep them
in a locked briefcase,
771
00:38:45,451 --> 00:38:47,502
be very cautious,
because they always said,
772
00:38:47,537 --> 00:38:49,538
"If this gets out,
it's dangerous to people.
773
00:38:49,572 --> 00:38:53,709
"It could actually do them harm if
they are not adequately prepared."
774
00:38:55,011 --> 00:38:57,412
And I read it.
775
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:59,715
And...
776
00:38:59,749 --> 00:39:01,933
it doesn't make any sense.
777
00:39:01,968 --> 00:39:04,886
This gobbled story
that didn't make sense.
778
00:39:04,937 --> 00:39:08,974
I remember for one fleeting second
thinking, "Maybe it's an insanity test.
779
00:39:09,025 --> 00:39:10,776
"Maybe if you believe this,
they kick you out.
780
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:14,029
"You know, maybe that's it." That,
of course, is not the case.
781
00:39:14,063 --> 00:39:17,366
They talk about, you know, the
fact that the earth was created
782
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,735
in such-and-such trillions
of years ago,
783
00:39:19,769 --> 00:39:22,988
and this guy--
Space Guy--
784
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,791
Galactic Overlord--
this was a prison planet,
785
00:39:25,825 --> 00:39:28,543
and people being
caught, captured,
786
00:39:28,578 --> 00:39:30,245
and being brought
to planet Earth...
787
00:39:30,279 --> 00:39:33,665
And put them in volcanoes and
blowing them up with A-bombs.
788
00:39:33,716 --> 00:39:35,467
Whoa!
789
00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:37,952
I studied geography
in school.
790
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:41,289
Those volcanoes didn't exist
75 million years ago.
791
00:39:41,307 --> 00:39:44,459
And we have these lost souls
all over us
792
00:39:44,477 --> 00:39:46,628
and we have to get rid
of them, and I'm going,
793
00:39:46,646 --> 00:39:50,515
"What... the fuck
are you talking about?
794
00:39:50,566 --> 00:39:53,151
"I mean, I'm down
for the self-help stuff.
795
00:39:53,186 --> 00:39:54,686
"I'm down for--
okay, I can be clear.
796
00:39:54,737 --> 00:39:57,239
"I can get rid of
the negative emotions.
797
00:39:57,273 --> 00:39:58,473
"But what the fuck is this?"
798
00:40:01,661 --> 00:40:04,579
When you get to the upper
levels of Scientology,
799
00:40:04,614 --> 00:40:06,665
the creation myth
is explained to you.
800
00:40:06,699 --> 00:40:11,203
The story is that
75 million years ago,
801
00:40:11,254 --> 00:40:13,822
people lived in a world
very much like the world
802
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,458
of America
in the 1950s.
803
00:40:16,492 --> 00:40:18,677
People, at that particular
time and space,
804
00:40:18,711 --> 00:40:21,129
were walking around
in clothes which looked
805
00:40:21,163 --> 00:40:24,883
very remarkably like the clothes
they wear in this very minute.
806
00:40:24,934 --> 00:40:28,503
And the cars they drove
looked exactly the same,
807
00:40:28,521 --> 00:40:32,057
and they walked down streets
that looked like these streets.
808
00:40:32,108 --> 00:40:34,476
It was a very similar world
809
00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:35,811
and similar problems,
810
00:40:35,845 --> 00:40:38,146
one of which
was overpopulation.
811
00:40:38,197 --> 00:40:39,898
They had elected a fellow
812
00:40:39,949 --> 00:40:42,851
by the name of Xenu
to the supreme ruler.
813
00:40:42,869 --> 00:40:44,953
There was a tyrannical overlord
814
00:40:44,987 --> 00:40:47,689
of the galactic confederacy
named Xenu.
815
00:40:47,707 --> 00:40:51,409
In order to resolve this
problem of overpopulation,
816
00:40:51,461 --> 00:40:52,878
he called people in,
817
00:40:52,912 --> 00:40:55,380
ostensibly for tax audits,
818
00:40:55,414 --> 00:40:58,667
and had them frozen
with injections
819
00:40:58,701 --> 00:41:00,702
of glycol to their heart.
820
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,338
Boxed them up in boxes,
threw 'em into space planes--
821
00:41:03,372 --> 00:41:06,258
DC-8 airplane
is the exact copy
822
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:09,261
of the space plane
of that day.
823
00:41:09,312 --> 00:41:13,348
They were flown to
the prison planet, Teegeeack--
824
00:41:13,382 --> 00:41:14,850
it's actually
the planet Earth--
825
00:41:14,884 --> 00:41:19,771
and these frozen bodies were
then dropped into volcanoes.
826
00:41:19,856 --> 00:41:21,990
And then they set off
hydrogen bombs
827
00:41:22,024 --> 00:41:24,025
on the top of each volcano.
828
00:41:24,059 --> 00:41:26,328
And their
disembodied spirits--
829
00:41:26,362 --> 00:41:28,163
these are called thetans--
830
00:41:28,197 --> 00:41:31,116
floated out,
and they were captured
831
00:41:31,167 --> 00:41:34,286
and forced to sit
in front of movie screens.
832
00:41:34,337 --> 00:41:37,873
with a 3D, super colossal,
motion picture.
833
00:41:37,907 --> 00:41:39,925
They were shown images--
834
00:41:39,959 --> 00:41:42,210
implants,
as Hubbard would have it.
835
00:41:42,261 --> 00:41:43,929
Every man is shown crucified,
836
00:41:43,963 --> 00:41:46,598
so is the psychiatrist
shown crucified.
837
00:41:46,632 --> 00:41:48,350
And that's how he gets away
with what he gets away with.
838
00:41:48,384 --> 00:41:51,553
He electric-shocks people.
839
00:41:51,605 --> 00:41:54,422
And when a child is born,
840
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,809
a thetan will leap inside
the child's body
841
00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:01,262
at that very instant, and it
becomes like the child's soul.
842
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,616
More than one thetan
might crowd into the body--
843
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:07,435
hundreds,
or thousands, might.
844
00:42:07,453 --> 00:42:09,487
They're the source
of all of our neurosis,
845
00:42:09,539 --> 00:42:11,039
fears, and anxieties.
846
00:42:13,075 --> 00:42:15,109
Then you are
on the E-meter,
847
00:42:15,127 --> 00:42:16,494
by yourself, now.
848
00:42:16,546 --> 00:42:17,963
You're soloing.
849
00:42:17,997 --> 00:42:21,383
You're supposed
to scan, mentally,
850
00:42:21,417 --> 00:42:23,802
from your top of your head
to your toes,
851
00:42:23,836 --> 00:42:27,889
to see if you can locate
any alien beings.
852
00:42:27,924 --> 00:42:31,292
And when you do,
you tell them to go away.
853
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:34,963
I kept on trying to audit.
854
00:42:34,981 --> 00:42:39,317
I could not figure out
how I could have
855
00:42:39,352 --> 00:42:42,571
all these spirits of dead
people attached to me,
856
00:42:42,605 --> 00:42:44,406
inside me, on me.
857
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,474
I was clear.
858
00:42:46,492 --> 00:42:49,027
For God's sake,
I was clear.
859
00:42:49,078 --> 00:42:51,196
People actually
have breakdowns,
860
00:42:51,247 --> 00:42:52,664
you know,
nervous breakdowns,
861
00:42:52,698 --> 00:42:55,200
because they spend
so much time thinking
862
00:42:55,251 --> 00:42:58,253
about being infested
by these creatures.
863
00:42:58,287 --> 00:43:02,457
If you're really believing
that, it can drive you crazy.
864
00:43:13,769 --> 00:43:16,521
Those years of introspection
865
00:43:16,555 --> 00:43:20,308
eventually led me
to sincerely considering
866
00:43:20,342 --> 00:43:24,112
that I was so bad,
867
00:43:24,146 --> 00:43:28,650
that I couldn't confront
how bad I was.
868
00:43:28,684 --> 00:43:31,236
I didn't know it
at the time,
869
00:43:31,287 --> 00:43:34,489
but a depression set in
that was with me for years,
870
00:43:34,523 --> 00:43:37,542
and the worst thing was
871
00:43:37,576 --> 00:43:41,746
that LRH kept ordering me
to more auditing.
872
00:43:41,797 --> 00:43:45,333
I had to find swords
that were stuck in me--
873
00:43:45,367 --> 00:43:47,469
hypothetical swords,
874
00:43:47,503 --> 00:43:50,705
imaginary swords that
were causing all this pain.
875
00:43:50,723 --> 00:43:53,642
This auditing
went on and on.
876
00:43:53,676 --> 00:43:55,427
It wasn't doing any good.
877
00:43:55,478 --> 00:43:57,879
I should have been
left alone.
878
00:43:57,897 --> 00:44:01,232
But everything
that I took offense with,
879
00:44:01,267 --> 00:44:03,985
I rationalized
almost immediately.
880
00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:05,787
I had to.
881
00:44:05,821 --> 00:44:09,691
I could not continue
in this game of Scientology
882
00:44:09,725 --> 00:44:13,778
without explaining away
what he was doing.
883
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:18,333
It got to be
a way of believing,
884
00:44:18,367 --> 00:44:22,587
and every one of us
got into that.
885
00:44:22,621 --> 00:44:26,591
It was part
of the mind control.
886
00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:30,295
It was part of
the cultic manipulation.
887
00:44:30,346 --> 00:44:33,631
He was the master
who did it to us,
888
00:44:33,683 --> 00:44:37,852
and we took it on and then
we did it to ourselves.
889
00:44:37,887 --> 00:44:40,522
And I learned from it,
890
00:44:40,556 --> 00:44:43,725
that I would
never ever again,
891
00:44:43,776 --> 00:44:46,394
you know, go--
do the bidding of a tyrant.
892
00:44:56,605 --> 00:44:59,974
Hubbard questioned
his own sanity
893
00:45:00,009 --> 00:45:03,078
and actually wrote a letter
to the Veteran's Administration
894
00:45:03,112 --> 00:45:04,946
asking for psychiatric help
895
00:45:04,964 --> 00:45:08,383
that he seems
never to have been given.
896
00:45:08,417 --> 00:45:12,470
I think that his whole
creation of Scientology
897
00:45:12,505 --> 00:45:14,789
really was a form
of self-therapy.
898
00:45:14,807 --> 00:45:17,976
If he were just a fraud,
then at some point,
899
00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:19,928
he would have
taken the money and run,
900
00:45:19,962 --> 00:45:21,346
but he never did that.
901
00:45:21,397 --> 00:45:24,149
He spent much of his day
on the E-meter,
902
00:45:24,183 --> 00:45:26,300
trying to understand
what was going on
903
00:45:26,318 --> 00:45:28,136
inside his own mind.
904
00:45:29,855 --> 00:45:31,773
Hubbard became
increasingly paranoid
905
00:45:31,807 --> 00:45:34,308
that a powerful thetan
had infected his body
906
00:45:34,326 --> 00:45:36,277
and that regular auditing
907
00:45:36,311 --> 00:45:39,030
wasn't strong enough
to make it leave.
908
00:45:39,081 --> 00:45:40,782
When Larry Wright
was researching his book,
909
00:45:40,816 --> 00:45:43,451
he videotaped an interview
with a Scientologist
910
00:45:43,485 --> 00:45:46,838
who was asked to help
Hubbard expel the thetan.
911
00:45:46,872 --> 00:45:49,290
He was having,
uh, problems
912
00:45:49,324 --> 00:45:52,377
getting rid of a BT--
body thetan--
913
00:45:52,428 --> 00:45:55,096
so he wanted me
to build a machine,
914
00:45:55,131 --> 00:45:57,632
and basically
blow the thetan away,
915
00:45:57,683 --> 00:45:59,050
just get him out of there.
916
00:45:59,101 --> 00:46:01,686
Blow him out.
And also kill the body.
917
00:46:04,056 --> 00:46:06,007
Basically, yeah.
Yeah.
918
00:46:07,476 --> 00:46:09,177
But I didn't
want to kill him.
919
00:46:09,211 --> 00:46:11,079
I just wanted
to scare him.
920
00:46:11,113 --> 00:46:15,200
So I had read some books
about Nikola Tesla and stuff,
921
00:46:15,234 --> 00:46:17,535
and I figured maybe
buildin' a Tesla coil
922
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:20,288
would probably be
the best route to go.
923
00:46:21,957 --> 00:46:23,658
I had little electrodes
924
00:46:23,692 --> 00:46:25,577
that you hook it up
to the E-meter,
925
00:46:25,628 --> 00:46:26,694
so when he's on the cans,
926
00:46:26,712 --> 00:46:28,830
then, uh, he would
just flip the button,
927
00:46:28,864 --> 00:46:32,033
and it would do its thing.
928
00:46:35,221 --> 00:46:37,705
As far as I know.
He blew up my E-meter.
929
00:46:37,723 --> 00:46:39,390
Burned it up.
930
00:46:42,061 --> 00:46:44,729
Scientology
really is a journey
931
00:46:44,763 --> 00:46:47,182
into the mind
of L. Ron Hubbard.
932
00:46:47,216 --> 00:46:50,401
And the further
you get into it,
933
00:46:50,436 --> 00:46:53,738
the more like L. Ron
Hubbard you become.
934
00:47:00,830 --> 00:47:04,365
Thank you.
935
00:47:04,416 --> 00:47:09,170
In 1980,
LRH moved off the lines
936
00:47:09,205 --> 00:47:12,340
so that he could
continue his writings
937
00:47:12,374 --> 00:47:15,543
and researches
without any distractions.
938
00:47:18,130 --> 00:47:23,134
He has now moved on
to his next OT--
939
00:47:23,185 --> 00:47:25,687
level of OT research.
940
00:47:25,721 --> 00:47:29,090
This level is beyond anything
any one of us ever imagined.
941
00:47:29,108 --> 00:47:31,893
This level is in fact done
942
00:47:31,927 --> 00:47:34,762
in an exterior state,
943
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:37,198
meaning that it is done
completely exterior
944
00:47:37,233 --> 00:47:39,200
from the body.
945
00:47:39,235 --> 00:47:42,103
At this level of OT,
946
00:47:42,121 --> 00:47:43,571
the body is nothing more
947
00:47:43,605 --> 00:47:46,274
than an impediment
and encumbrance
948
00:47:46,292 --> 00:47:49,160
to any further gain
as an OT.
949
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:53,081
Thus...
950
00:47:54,466 --> 00:47:57,451
thus, at 2000 hours,
951
00:47:57,469 --> 00:48:00,722
Friday,
the 24th of January,
952
00:48:00,756 --> 00:48:02,473
A.D. 36,
953
00:48:02,508 --> 00:48:04,509
L. Ron Hubbard
discarded the body
954
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,678
he had used
in this lifetime
955
00:48:06,729 --> 00:48:10,815
for 74 years,
10 months, and 11 days.
956
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:13,101
Although you may feel grief,
957
00:48:13,135 --> 00:48:16,938
understand that he did not,
and does not now.
958
00:48:19,775 --> 00:48:23,477
Hubbard died
of a stroke in 1986,
959
00:48:23,495 --> 00:48:26,414
but he left no plan
for succession.
960
00:48:26,448 --> 00:48:29,167
The ambitious David Miscavige
stepped forward,
961
00:48:29,201 --> 00:48:31,986
and by bending arms
and making deals,
962
00:48:32,004 --> 00:48:33,654
took control of the church
963
00:48:33,672 --> 00:48:36,591
and installed a new
generation of lieutenants.
964
00:48:36,625 --> 00:48:38,293
We want to make sure
965
00:48:38,327 --> 00:48:41,796
that all of us end cycle
on this completely,
966
00:48:41,847 --> 00:48:44,966
so we can get on
with the job
967
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,834
that is ahead of us.
968
00:48:46,852 --> 00:48:50,555
- The first time I met
- Miscavige was in '83.
969
00:48:50,606 --> 00:48:52,390
He was a guy
running back and forth
970
00:48:52,441 --> 00:48:55,860
between Hubbard and the
property in Hemet in a van--
971
00:48:55,894 --> 00:48:59,230
back and forth,
delivering messages.
972
00:48:59,281 --> 00:49:01,866
Worked my way
through the organization.
973
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,402
Miscavige would
come down to Florida,
974
00:49:04,453 --> 00:49:06,204
where I was
running the place,
975
00:49:06,238 --> 00:49:09,324
and we slowly
but surely became friends.
976
00:49:09,358 --> 00:49:12,560
By 2001, I was working
directly for Miscavige.
977
00:49:13,495 --> 00:49:15,630
We'd sit and drink
a bottle of Scotch,
978
00:49:15,664 --> 00:49:17,899
and I'd hear everything he
had to say about the church,
979
00:49:17,933 --> 00:49:20,601
and about the people involved,
from his perspective.
980
00:49:20,636 --> 00:49:23,888
And honestly, it was-- it was,
uh, horrifying. It was scary.
981
00:49:23,922 --> 00:49:26,540
In Scientology,
there was a concept
982
00:49:26,558 --> 00:49:29,710
that 98% of the people
are good and 2% are evil.
983
00:49:29,728 --> 00:49:32,347
Well, he worked very hard
to convince me
984
00:49:32,381 --> 00:49:33,982
that it was
the other way around.
985
00:49:34,016 --> 00:49:37,268
2.5% were okay and the rest
were very evil and bad.
986
00:49:37,319 --> 00:49:40,571
And somehow, they'd all
been dumped on that base
987
00:49:40,606 --> 00:49:42,240
so they could be around him.
988
00:49:42,274 --> 00:49:44,442
He was--
he was extremely paranoid.
989
00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:48,246
So, Marty, is Miscavige
a true believer?
990
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:48,824
Uh, yes.
991
00:49:53,068 --> 00:49:55,336
He has to
continue to believe,
992
00:49:55,371 --> 00:49:57,138
because if he looks
at it rationally
993
00:49:57,172 --> 00:49:59,607
and he sees that it
is as I say,
994
00:49:59,641 --> 00:50:01,376
it will destroy him.
995
00:50:01,410 --> 00:50:03,594
You know,
he'll just realize that--
996
00:50:03,629 --> 00:50:07,131
because he's done
a lot worse than I've done.
997
00:50:07,182 --> 00:50:10,018
He's abused people
on a personal level,
998
00:50:10,052 --> 00:50:13,938
um, as a-- as a--
That's how he got to the top,
999
00:50:13,972 --> 00:50:16,974
and that's how
he stayed at the top.
1000
00:50:17,026 --> 00:50:19,394
At the age of 11,
1001
00:50:19,428 --> 00:50:22,647
David Miscavige joined the
church with his parents.
1002
00:50:22,698 --> 00:50:25,650
As a child, his ambition
caught Hubbard's eye.
1003
00:50:25,701 --> 00:50:27,902
So when Hubbard wanted
to become a filmmaker,
1004
00:50:27,936 --> 00:50:30,738
Miscavige was
his assistant cameraman.
1005
00:50:30,772 --> 00:50:32,373
An auditing prodigy,
1006
00:50:32,408 --> 00:50:34,842
he claimed Scientology
cured his asthma.
1007
00:50:34,877 --> 00:50:38,629
He became a sort of general
contractor for the church,
1008
00:50:38,664 --> 00:50:40,798
and was soon named
action chief--
1009
00:50:40,834 --> 00:50:43,501
the man who did whatever
needed doing for a church
1010
00:50:43,552 --> 00:50:45,953
that developed
a scary reputation
1011
00:50:45,971 --> 00:50:47,755
for attacking its critics.
1012
00:50:47,789 --> 00:50:49,474
Scientology has been
in the headlines
1013
00:50:49,508 --> 00:50:50,975
off and on
for 25 years now,
1014
00:50:51,009 --> 00:50:53,794
almost since the time
it was founded as a religion.
1015
00:50:53,812 --> 00:50:56,013
Scientology's story
is one of a church
1016
00:50:56,065 --> 00:50:58,900
embittered by what
it perceives as harassment.
1017
00:50:58,934 --> 00:51:00,234
We're talking about attacks
1018
00:51:00,269 --> 00:51:02,136
from multi-billion dollar
media conglomerates,
1019
00:51:02,154 --> 00:51:05,656
world governments--
real powers of the world.
1020
00:51:05,691 --> 00:51:08,359
They take enemies
very seriously.
1021
00:51:08,410 --> 00:51:10,078
This comes right out
of Hubbard's own policies
1022
00:51:10,112 --> 00:51:13,147
from the '60s, saying, "We never
defend, we always attack."
1023
00:51:13,165 --> 00:51:15,166
And they have followed it
ever since.
1024
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,484
They call it "fair game,"
1025
00:51:16,502 --> 00:51:19,620
and anybody who criticizes
Scientology is fair game.
1026
00:51:19,654 --> 00:51:21,172
Whatever you're told,
1027
00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:23,091
whatever needs to be done,
1028
00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:25,626
if it's against the law,
it doesn't matter.
1029
00:51:25,677 --> 00:51:28,012
The best example is,
in the mid '70s,
1030
00:51:28,046 --> 00:51:31,799
Scientologists were walking in to
these Department of Justice offices
1031
00:51:31,833 --> 00:51:35,636
and IRS offices and taking
documents out by the yard.
1032
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:37,889
The FBI raided
the Church of Scientology--
1033
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:40,108
the largest raid in FBI
history at that time.
1034
00:51:40,142 --> 00:51:42,610
Oh my god. The building
is filled with FBI,
1035
00:51:42,644 --> 00:51:44,395
and they're--
they're taking things.
1036
00:51:44,446 --> 00:51:46,180
It was craziness.
1037
00:51:46,198 --> 00:51:49,617
Clearly, L. Ron Hubbard
was in charge of all of that,
1038
00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:51,719
but he was only named
an unindicted co-conspirator.
1039
00:51:51,753 --> 00:51:53,654
And Mary Sue Hubbard,
Hubbard's wife,
1040
00:51:53,688 --> 00:51:56,908
she went to prison,
10 others went to prison.
1041
00:51:56,959 --> 00:51:59,460
This was where I cut my teeth.
I was in my early 20s,
1042
00:51:59,495 --> 00:52:01,162
Miscavige
was in his early 20s.
1043
00:52:01,196 --> 00:52:02,914
We were taking over
for this group
1044
00:52:02,965 --> 00:52:05,750
that had created the largest
domestic espionage operation
1045
00:52:05,801 --> 00:52:07,385
in the history
of the United States.
1046
00:52:07,419 --> 00:52:08,886
They were
breaking into offices,
1047
00:52:08,921 --> 00:52:11,672
framing people. This is the
activities of a church?
1048
00:52:11,706 --> 00:52:13,174
There was a guy who,
uh, you know,
1049
00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:15,226
was a reporter
for "The LA Times,"
1050
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:16,561
whose dog was poisoned
1051
00:52:16,595 --> 00:52:18,813
while he was working
on a Scientology story.
1052
00:52:18,847 --> 00:52:21,065
Again and again
while reporting the story,
1053
00:52:21,099 --> 00:52:23,985
we met many former members
who describe Scientology
1054
00:52:24,019 --> 00:52:27,388
as a dangerous and deeply
paranoid organization.
1055
00:52:27,406 --> 00:52:30,158
They hired private detectives
to harass people.
1056
00:52:30,192 --> 00:52:31,576
I have been sued twice.
1057
00:52:31,610 --> 00:52:32,827
Financial ruin.
1058
00:52:32,861 --> 00:52:34,028
Years of harassment.
1059
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,896
Their homes broken into,
have them beaten.
1060
00:52:35,914 --> 00:52:39,033
We chased her around. We
followed her to the airport.
1061
00:52:39,084 --> 00:52:41,419
Gotten ahold of
personal phone records.
1062
00:52:41,453 --> 00:52:43,838
Slashed their tires,
break their car windows.
1063
00:52:43,872 --> 00:52:46,207
I was locked
in a chicken wire cage.
1064
00:52:46,241 --> 00:52:49,710
Dangerous, horrifying,
terrifying fraud.
1065
00:52:49,761 --> 00:52:51,546
A nightmare.
1066
00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:53,514
Many of their stories
are corroborated
1067
00:52:53,549 --> 00:52:56,884
in sworn court testimony
by up to a dozen other people.
1068
00:52:56,918 --> 00:52:58,603
Are they all lying?
1069
00:52:58,637 --> 00:52:59,804
They sat in a room,
1070
00:52:59,855 --> 00:53:01,255
they figured out
what they were going to say...
1071
00:53:01,273 --> 00:53:04,108
My position,
as the spokesperson,
1072
00:53:04,142 --> 00:53:07,562
was to evade
the question,
1073
00:53:07,596 --> 00:53:09,647
or sleaze around some way,
1074
00:53:09,698 --> 00:53:11,649
or give what
was an acceptable answer,
1075
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:13,784
or something
that I believed at the time.
1076
00:53:13,819 --> 00:53:15,736
Please welcome
Mr. Mike Rinder.
1077
00:53:22,777 --> 00:53:25,129
Because Scientology
is perceived
1078
00:53:25,163 --> 00:53:27,882
and conceived
by Scientologists
1079
00:53:27,916 --> 00:53:31,252
as being the salvation
for mankind,
1080
00:53:31,286 --> 00:53:34,088
you can have people
that lie
1081
00:53:34,122 --> 00:53:36,957
with a very straight face
1082
00:53:36,975 --> 00:53:39,510
if they believe
that what they are doing
1083
00:53:39,561 --> 00:53:42,296
is protecting
the Church of Scientology.
1084
00:53:42,314 --> 00:53:43,564
L. Ron Hubbard says,
1085
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,799
"We do not find critics
of Scientology
1086
00:53:45,817 --> 00:53:47,235
"who do not
have criminal pasts."
1087
00:53:47,269 --> 00:53:49,487
Do you believe that?
Sure.
1088
00:53:49,521 --> 00:53:52,073
People who oppose you
are undoubtedly criminals?
1089
00:53:52,107 --> 00:53:53,524
I believe that, yeah.
1090
00:53:53,575 --> 00:53:56,077
You know, there isn't
and hasn't been
1091
00:53:56,111 --> 00:53:58,779
any effort
which has been taken to,
1092
00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:00,665
quote,
"silence critics."
1093
00:54:00,699 --> 00:54:02,667
"No, that doesn't happen.
1094
00:54:02,701 --> 00:54:05,202
"Oh, we would never do that."
1095
00:54:05,287 --> 00:54:07,204
But according
to many insiders,
1096
00:54:07,256 --> 00:54:09,123
Hubbard was growing
more and more vindictive
1097
00:54:09,157 --> 00:54:10,625
toward those
who stood in his way.
1098
00:54:10,659 --> 00:54:15,546
He created what he called the
Rehabilitation Project Force.
1099
00:54:15,597 --> 00:54:18,299
The RPF was
what we called it.
1100
00:54:18,333 --> 00:54:19,634
It was the prison camp,
1101
00:54:19,668 --> 00:54:21,218
where you'd go
for re-indoctrination.
1102
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:24,138
It was on the 7th floor
1103
00:54:24,172 --> 00:54:26,190
of the Hollywood
headquarters,
1104
00:54:26,224 --> 00:54:29,360
a confined space
to rehabilitate members
1105
00:54:29,394 --> 00:54:31,845
who might be harboring
subversive thoughts.
1106
00:54:31,863 --> 00:54:34,031
Spanky was sent to the RPF
1107
00:54:34,066 --> 00:54:35,900
when she objected
to the way the church
1108
00:54:35,951 --> 00:54:38,319
had denied medical treatment
to her boss.
1109
00:54:38,353 --> 00:54:40,738
I went thinking, of course,
1110
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:42,373
this is a big mistake.
1111
00:54:42,407 --> 00:54:44,959
And then I got there, and
there were like 200 of us.
1112
00:54:44,993 --> 00:54:47,912
So much of the exec strata
of the organization there
1113
00:54:47,963 --> 00:54:49,914
hit the skids
simultaneously.
1114
00:54:49,965 --> 00:54:53,668
- RPF stands for
- Rehabilitation Project Force.
1115
00:54:53,752 --> 00:54:57,004
It is a program
that is exclusively
1116
00:54:57,038 --> 00:54:59,724
for the benefit
of Sea Organization members.
1117
00:54:59,758 --> 00:55:02,226
If they are stressed out,
1118
00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:04,044
if they're not doing well
on their job,
1119
00:55:04,062 --> 00:55:07,315
have them do
menial-type work,
1120
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:11,102
and five hours a day
of auditing
1121
00:55:11,153 --> 00:55:13,487
and Scientology training.
1122
00:55:13,522 --> 00:55:15,106
It's a fabulous program.
1123
00:55:15,157 --> 00:55:17,575
We were working--
cross my heart--
1124
00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:19,860
30 hours on,
three hours off.
1125
00:55:19,894 --> 00:55:21,228
Doing, like, hard labor,
1126
00:55:21,246 --> 00:55:23,397
like having wire brushes
on windowsills,
1127
00:55:23,415 --> 00:55:25,166
and sanding
and sanding and sanding.
1128
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,534
Breathing paint fumes.
1129
00:55:26,568 --> 00:55:28,736
The regular crew
would eat first,
1130
00:55:28,754 --> 00:55:30,538
and then we'd get
what was left.
1131
00:55:30,572 --> 00:55:32,423
It was kinda
like table scraps.
1132
00:55:32,457 --> 00:55:35,242
There was mattresses
out there on the roof,
1133
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:37,745
and they were wet
and soggy and gross.
1134
00:55:37,763 --> 00:55:39,680
And if you got to sleep
for three hours,
1135
00:55:39,715 --> 00:55:43,184
sometimes you'd just have to
up there and crash out.
1136
00:55:44,686 --> 00:55:47,121
And I had a young child
at that time,
1137
00:55:47,155 --> 00:55:49,490
who was 10 months old
when I went to the RPF.
1138
00:55:49,524 --> 00:55:51,392
She got taken
and put in the Cadet Org,
1139
00:55:51,426 --> 00:55:54,195
the organization
for the children.
1140
00:55:54,229 --> 00:55:57,982
And then I--
I got pregnant
1141
00:55:58,033 --> 00:55:59,950
when I was in the RPF.
1142
00:55:59,985 --> 00:56:03,270
So now I'm sanding walls,
eating table scraps,
1143
00:56:03,288 --> 00:56:07,708
pregnant, and worrying
myself sick about my child.
1144
00:56:07,743 --> 00:56:10,044
In Spanky's time,
the children
1145
00:56:10,078 --> 00:56:12,046
of Sea Org members
were separated
1146
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,131
from their parents
and raised in the Cadet Org
1147
00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:16,000
to remove all distractions
1148
00:56:16,051 --> 00:56:18,552
from their parent's
ultimate responsibility,
1149
00:56:18,587 --> 00:56:20,554
to clear the planet.
1150
00:56:20,589 --> 00:56:24,175
Sea Org members were often
pressured to have abortions,
1151
00:56:24,226 --> 00:56:26,460
because the church
viewed "getting children"
1152
00:56:26,478 --> 00:56:28,962
as an unpractical burden.
1153
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:31,148
- Initially, you're like,
- "This is absurd.
1154
00:56:31,183 --> 00:56:32,316
"This is nuts."
1155
00:56:32,350 --> 00:56:36,103
And then you kinda
settle in and go, "Well...
1156
00:56:36,137 --> 00:56:40,641
"obviously, I need
to deal with something
1157
00:56:40,659 --> 00:56:42,309
"that I'm not facing.
1158
00:56:42,327 --> 00:56:44,028
"So perhaps this is--
1159
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,113
"they're doing this
to make me better."
1160
00:56:50,035 --> 00:56:52,703
There are so many
bizarre stories that you--
1161
00:56:52,754 --> 00:56:54,955
just hard
to believe stuff.
1162
00:56:54,989 --> 00:56:56,990
They asked if I could
arrange a private screening
1163
00:56:57,008 --> 00:56:58,375
of "Saturday Night Fever."
1164
00:57:00,345 --> 00:57:02,096
And I was like, "What?"
1165
00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:03,831
"I had disappeared
from this man's life.
1166
00:57:03,849 --> 00:57:05,549
"I abandoned him,
1167
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,001
"and now you want me to
arrange a private screening?
1168
00:57:08,019 --> 00:57:09,386
"What are you--"
1169
00:57:09,438 --> 00:57:12,172
I said, "Is there anything else?
Maybe a Beatles reunion?"
1170
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,144
Travolta had been wondering
where Spanky was.
1171
00:57:17,178 --> 00:57:18,529
When she was sent
to the RPF,
1172
00:57:18,563 --> 00:57:21,732
she was not allowed to
contact him or anyone else.
1173
00:57:21,783 --> 00:57:23,851
But now,
under the watch of a guard,
1174
00:57:23,869 --> 00:57:26,854
she was permitted
to call Travolta's assistant.
1175
00:57:26,872 --> 00:57:30,190
She said we could use John's
personal print of the film,
1176
00:57:30,208 --> 00:57:32,960
under one condition--
that you will see John.
1177
00:57:32,994 --> 00:57:34,912
I was so excited.
1178
00:57:34,963 --> 00:57:38,699
I hadn't had dialogue
with him for many months.
1179
00:57:38,717 --> 00:57:41,085
We had the screening
of the film,
1180
00:57:41,136 --> 00:57:42,553
and on the next night,
1181
00:57:42,587 --> 00:57:45,339
I was supposed
to have dinner with Johnny.
1182
00:57:45,373 --> 00:57:47,040
And after
the screening,
1183
00:57:47,058 --> 00:57:49,927
I was abruptly told
I wasn't going to see him,
1184
00:57:49,978 --> 00:57:51,846
and I needed
to call and cancel.
1185
00:57:51,897 --> 00:57:56,717
He was truly angry
at me for-- for--
1186
00:57:56,735 --> 00:57:59,820
for having allowed this abuse
of myself, you know,
1187
00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:03,491
and for having that--
so little of myself...
1188
00:58:05,277 --> 00:58:08,245
that I would allow
this degree of degradation,
1189
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,398
and, and um--
and--
1190
00:58:11,416 --> 00:58:13,200
And he was my good friend,
1191
00:58:13,234 --> 00:58:16,620
and I knew that he was
telling me the truth.
1192
00:58:16,671 --> 00:58:21,041
Those words were
such a wakeup call for me.
1193
00:58:21,075 --> 00:58:24,244
And I went over there,
to the Cadet Org.
1194
00:58:24,262 --> 00:58:25,963
There were so many
sick children in there,
1195
00:58:26,047 --> 00:58:28,182
and my daughter
was very, very ill--
1196
00:58:28,216 --> 00:58:32,219
burning up with fever,
completely neglected,
1197
00:58:32,253 --> 00:58:34,772
in a urine-soaked crib.
1198
00:58:34,806 --> 00:58:37,591
Her eyes were
so filled with mucus,
1199
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:39,944
they were welded shut.
1200
00:58:39,978 --> 00:58:42,479
She had fruit flies
on her body.
1201
00:58:42,531 --> 00:58:45,933
And I just--
I couldn't bear it.
1202
00:58:45,951 --> 00:58:48,536
I just went,
"No, mmm-mmm, I'm done."
1203
00:58:48,570 --> 00:58:52,272
I mean, I just knew I could
make these choices for me.
1204
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:54,241
I could decide
to give up my life
1205
00:58:54,275 --> 00:58:56,210
and do this
to help the world,
1206
00:58:56,244 --> 00:58:58,495
but I couldn't make these
choices for my children.
1207
00:58:58,547 --> 00:59:00,664
I just had to get her out.
1208
00:59:02,617 --> 00:59:05,719
I told them that I was having
problems with my pregnancy,
1209
00:59:05,754 --> 00:59:07,755
and I needed
to use the phone,
1210
00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:09,590
so they sent
a bodyguard with me.
1211
00:59:09,624 --> 00:59:13,510
I called one of the few
non-Scientologists I knew,
1212
00:59:13,562 --> 00:59:16,313
a wonderful woman who happened
to work for John Travolta.
1213
00:59:16,348 --> 00:59:18,899
I said,
"Meet me at this address."
1214
00:59:18,934 --> 00:59:20,734
I gave her a time
and I hung up.
1215
00:59:20,769 --> 00:59:23,737
I go up to my daughter's room,
and I wrapped her up.
1216
00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:28,776
And there's
that bodyguard with me.
1217
00:59:28,827 --> 00:59:30,911
I said, "Oh, my sister-in-law
is in that car
1218
00:59:30,946 --> 00:59:33,313
"and she's gonna
take the baby to the doctor."
1219
00:59:33,331 --> 00:59:34,748
He said, "Well,
has this been approved?"
1220
00:59:34,783 --> 00:59:37,334
"Of course
it was approved!"
1221
00:59:37,369 --> 00:59:39,837
She's in my arms,
and I got in the car.
1222
00:59:39,872 --> 00:59:42,539
My friend,
she just nods her head.
1223
00:59:44,092 --> 00:59:46,377
Boom! With that, I pull my
leg in, shut that door.
1224
00:59:46,428 --> 00:59:48,679
She hits the locks,
and we drive.
1225
00:59:48,713 --> 00:59:50,297
And people
are yelling my name,
1226
00:59:50,331 --> 00:59:52,349
saying, "Spanky, no! No!"
1227
00:59:52,384 --> 00:59:54,435
I mean, just freaked out.
1228
00:59:54,469 --> 00:59:56,353
I'm thinkin'
"I'm a dead person,
1229
00:59:56,388 --> 00:59:58,806
"something terrible
is gonna happen to me."
1230
00:59:58,857 --> 01:00:00,691
I was just so frightened
1231
01:00:00,725 --> 01:00:03,894
that they would come
to fetch me up.
1232
01:00:08,917 --> 01:00:10,150
One of the turning points
1233
01:00:10,185 --> 01:00:12,553
in Travolta's relationship
with the church
1234
01:00:12,587 --> 01:00:16,206
is when he understood
what was happening to Spanky,
1235
01:00:16,241 --> 01:00:18,692
he didn't
do anything about it.
1236
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:21,462
I know that
he certainly got exposed
1237
01:00:21,496 --> 01:00:24,465
to the fact that not everything
was on the up and up.
1238
01:00:24,499 --> 01:00:27,134
Why that wasn't sufficient
for him to leave,
1239
01:00:27,168 --> 01:00:29,253
I don't know.
1240
01:00:29,304 --> 01:00:34,207
I often wonder what-- what
could possibly keep him there?
1241
01:00:34,225 --> 01:00:35,476
Can you recall an incident
1242
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:37,745
which occurred when your
mother looked younger?
1243
01:00:37,779 --> 01:00:42,433
An auditor learns to
keep notes contemporaneously
1244
01:00:42,484 --> 01:00:44,818
as he is doing a session,
1245
01:00:44,853 --> 01:00:48,238
about every detail
of the person's life,
1246
01:00:48,273 --> 01:00:50,157
back to birth and beyond.
1247
01:00:50,191 --> 01:00:52,660
If you do the whole program,
1248
01:00:52,694 --> 01:00:55,228
you end up with
up to a file cabinet full
1249
01:00:55,246 --> 01:00:59,166
of pre-clear folders
on notations about your life,
1250
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,202
your thoughts, and your
considerations about your life.
1251
01:01:02,236 --> 01:01:04,621
It's the most
intimate detail.
1252
01:01:04,673 --> 01:01:07,424
You're always encouraged,
you're always threatened,
1253
01:01:07,459 --> 01:01:12,379
to disclose more and more and more.
And all of it's recorded.
1254
01:01:12,413 --> 01:01:13,847
All of this material,
1255
01:01:13,882 --> 01:01:16,433
which is represented to you
to be held sacrosanct--
1256
01:01:16,468 --> 01:01:19,019
in fact, any information
1257
01:01:19,054 --> 01:01:21,772
that might do some harm
to the organization,
1258
01:01:21,806 --> 01:01:24,257
gets unclassified
automatically
1259
01:01:24,275 --> 01:01:26,860
and gets reported to another
branch of the church
1260
01:01:26,895 --> 01:01:29,063
that deals with "ethics."
1261
01:01:34,369 --> 01:01:36,937
Travolta was down
in Clearwater.
1262
01:01:36,955 --> 01:01:39,289
We'd finished
the renovations.
1263
01:01:39,324 --> 01:01:41,625
Every auditing room
had two cameras--
1264
01:01:41,659 --> 01:01:44,945
one on the meter, and one on
the guy getting auditing.
1265
01:01:44,963 --> 01:01:48,132
Miscavige would sit
in this 15x15 room,
1266
01:01:48,166 --> 01:01:50,134
cameras of every session.
1267
01:01:50,168 --> 01:01:51,618
You can flip in between 'em,
1268
01:01:51,636 --> 01:01:53,587
and he was watching
these things.
1269
01:01:53,638 --> 01:01:55,139
And it was
for "training purposes."
1270
01:01:55,173 --> 01:01:56,623
Well, Travolta saw that,
1271
01:01:56,641 --> 01:01:59,560
and he said,
"I will not be videoed."
1272
01:01:59,594 --> 01:02:02,563
So I was there when
they were setting it up,
1273
01:02:02,597 --> 01:02:04,431
and Miscavige
was directing it.
1274
01:02:04,465 --> 01:02:06,266
"Get him
into a hotel room,
1275
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,903
"hook up secret,
private videos."
1276
01:02:10,972 --> 01:02:13,140
There were rumors
1277
01:02:13,158 --> 01:02:15,159
that he was
threatening to leave,
1278
01:02:15,193 --> 01:02:18,078
and another Scientologist
told me that he was delegated
1279
01:02:18,113 --> 01:02:22,533
to create a black PR package--
all the damaging material
1280
01:02:22,584 --> 01:02:24,868
they could use
against Travolta,
1281
01:02:24,919 --> 01:02:27,171
which came
from his auditing sessions.
1282
01:02:27,205 --> 01:02:29,873
I know this
because I used to do it
1283
01:02:29,924 --> 01:02:33,761
when I was the head of the
Office of Special Affairs.
1284
01:02:33,795 --> 01:02:35,546
We would
put a team of people
1285
01:02:35,597 --> 01:02:38,799
onto going through
all of these PC folders
1286
01:02:38,833 --> 01:02:42,553
and finding things
that they believe.
1287
01:02:42,604 --> 01:02:45,639
By exposing them
or threatening to expose them,
1288
01:02:45,673 --> 01:02:49,276
they will cower the person
1289
01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:52,813
that they're worried about
into silence.
1290
01:02:54,182 --> 01:02:55,649
There is a particular writing
1291
01:02:55,683 --> 01:03:00,287
where Hubbard is training these
Office of Special Affairs people
1292
01:03:00,321 --> 01:03:04,491
on how, when you use
private information
1293
01:03:04,525 --> 01:03:07,878
to control somebody to do
what you want them to do,
1294
01:03:07,912 --> 01:03:10,664
and to silence them from speaking
out against Scientology,
1295
01:03:10,698 --> 01:03:14,051
it's really not blackmail, because
you're not asking for money.
1296
01:03:14,085 --> 01:03:16,003
But you're holding
this secret information
1297
01:03:16,037 --> 01:03:18,338
over the person's head
to silence them.
1298
01:03:18,372 --> 01:03:20,540
As far as Travolta
is concerned,
1299
01:03:20,558 --> 01:03:23,877
people say, well, he-- there's all
these things that we know about
1300
01:03:23,895 --> 01:03:25,729
that have been rumored
in the tabloids.
1301
01:03:25,763 --> 01:03:28,565
But in fact, it's more
of a two-way street.
1302
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,317
You know, he's provided
with an auditor
1303
01:03:30,351 --> 01:03:31,735
whose shoulder
he can cry on,
1304
01:03:31,769 --> 01:03:34,738
but he's also provided with
the muscle of the church,
1305
01:03:34,772 --> 01:03:37,324
in the form of myself
and Mike Rinder.
1306
01:03:37,358 --> 01:03:38,525
On many occasions,
1307
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,661
we were sent out
to get with his publicist,
1308
01:03:40,695 --> 01:03:41,862
to get with his lawyer,
1309
01:03:41,896 --> 01:03:44,698
and to help squash
or intimidate these people
1310
01:03:44,732 --> 01:03:47,000
that are making accusations
against him.
1311
01:03:47,035 --> 01:03:48,502
Once that happened,
1312
01:03:48,536 --> 01:03:51,672
I think he was really
the church's captive.
1313
01:03:51,706 --> 01:03:53,457
Mr. John Travolta!
1314
01:04:13,194 --> 01:04:15,762
When they were facing lawsuits
and stuff like that,
1315
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:17,064
he'd be brought forward,
1316
01:04:17,098 --> 01:04:19,900
and make his testimony about
how great Scientology is.
1317
01:04:19,934 --> 01:04:21,568
He had the opportunity
1318
01:04:21,602 --> 01:04:25,438
to affect the behavior of the
church, and he chose not to.
1319
01:04:27,208 --> 01:04:29,877
Now I've been a Scientologist
for 23 years.
1320
01:04:29,911 --> 01:04:32,246
I've felt like a pioneer
in many-- in many ways,
1321
01:04:32,297 --> 01:04:35,799
and I've-- I've seen my
efforts come to fruition...
1322
01:04:35,833 --> 01:04:37,784
in various ways.
1323
01:04:37,802 --> 01:04:40,754
I think very few people
can say that.
1324
01:04:40,805 --> 01:04:43,473
I've-- I'm part of a--
of a frontier in a way,
1325
01:04:43,508 --> 01:04:46,793
you know, that, that very few
people ever get to be part of.
1326
01:05:21,095 --> 01:05:23,547
Thank you.
1327
01:05:23,598 --> 01:05:26,133
Welcome to church!
1328
01:05:26,167 --> 01:05:29,770
It was the biggest event
in Scientology history,
1329
01:05:29,804 --> 01:05:33,223
and of course, Miscavige wanted
to milk it for everything he had.
1330
01:05:33,274 --> 01:05:35,225
It's this
grand, produced thing,
1331
01:05:35,276 --> 01:05:39,696
where it's all a single
person on a gigantic stage,
1332
01:05:39,731 --> 01:05:43,016
all this sort of
Nazi symbolism.
1333
01:05:43,868 --> 01:05:46,853
I clearly recall getting
prepared for the event
1334
01:05:46,871 --> 01:05:48,655
and Miscavige
up in that office,
1335
01:05:48,689 --> 01:05:51,325
you know,
going 18-20 hours a day
1336
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:54,328
writing this speech,
and thinking to myself,
1337
01:05:54,362 --> 01:05:57,247
"My God, you know?
This is not just
1338
01:05:57,298 --> 01:05:59,916
"a victory celebration,
1339
01:05:59,968 --> 01:06:02,302
"this is a--
this is a coup."
1340
01:06:02,337 --> 01:06:04,838
What we are going
to talk about
1341
01:06:04,872 --> 01:06:08,675
is the war
to end all wars.
1342
01:06:08,726 --> 01:06:11,178
When you are in Scientology,
you are in all the way.
1343
01:06:11,212 --> 01:06:13,597
There's no half in
and half out.
1344
01:06:13,648 --> 01:06:16,650
- A decade into
- Miscavige's leadership,
1345
01:06:16,684 --> 01:06:18,935
a simmering crisis
finally came to a boil.
1346
01:06:18,987 --> 01:06:23,407
For years Hubbard had insisted
that Scientology was a religion
1347
01:06:23,441 --> 01:06:25,492
and should be tax-exempt,
1348
01:06:25,526 --> 01:06:29,229
so he had refused
to pay any taxes.
1349
01:06:29,247 --> 01:06:31,782
We were facing a tax bill
1350
01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:35,369
of over a billion dollars,
and the total assets,
1351
01:06:35,403 --> 01:06:38,955
liquid and material,
and property of the church
1352
01:06:39,007 --> 01:06:42,042
was about a quarter of that
at the time, in the '80s.
1353
01:06:42,093 --> 01:06:46,346
And so just from a real
simple accounting basis,
1354
01:06:46,381 --> 01:06:47,714
it was life and death.
1355
01:06:47,748 --> 01:06:49,299
If we don't
get exemption, we die.
1356
01:06:49,350 --> 01:06:51,251
If we get it, we survive.
1357
01:06:51,269 --> 01:06:53,136
As LRH said,
1358
01:06:53,187 --> 01:06:55,806
"One certainly
couldn't contest anyone
1359
01:06:55,857 --> 01:06:58,591
"as holy as the commissioner
of the IRS,
1360
01:06:58,609 --> 01:07:03,146
"whom I believe gives God
his orders." LRH.
1361
01:07:03,197 --> 01:07:05,148
Faced with this crisis,
1362
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,934
David Miscavige
formulated a strategy.
1363
01:07:07,952 --> 01:07:10,987
Think of the nerve
that it takes
1364
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,790
to decide to take on a war
with the IRS.
1365
01:07:13,825 --> 01:07:15,659
The Church of Scientology
1366
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:18,111
has been crucifying
the federal agency
1367
01:07:18,129 --> 01:07:20,497
for its sins
on a regular basis,
1368
01:07:20,548 --> 01:07:22,582
both in and out of courts.
1369
01:07:22,633 --> 01:07:26,253
Thousands of Scientologists
all filed lawsuits,
1370
01:07:26,287 --> 01:07:27,454
not just against the IRS,
1371
01:07:27,472 --> 01:07:30,340
but against
individual IRS employees.
1372
01:07:30,391 --> 01:07:32,292
2400 total lawsuits,
1373
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:35,178
all going at the IRS
at one time.
1374
01:07:35,229 --> 01:07:36,930
It was
a litigation nightmare.
1375
01:07:36,964 --> 01:07:39,649
Being Miscavige's
right-hand man,
1376
01:07:39,684 --> 01:07:41,601
I was in charge
of all those efforts.
1377
01:07:41,635 --> 01:07:44,855
We were not only suing them in every
possible jurisdiction there was,
1378
01:07:44,906 --> 01:07:47,774
we were investigating
the IRS for crimes generally,
1379
01:07:47,825 --> 01:07:49,359
or things that would
offend the public.
1380
01:07:49,410 --> 01:07:51,411
...these hearings
into IRS integrity...
1381
01:07:51,446 --> 01:07:52,746
In the late '80s,
1382
01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:54,498
there were hearings
about IRS abuses
1383
01:07:54,532 --> 01:07:55,782
that had nothing to do
with Scientology,
1384
01:07:55,816 --> 01:07:56,950
had nothing to do
with nonprofits,
1385
01:07:56,984 --> 01:07:58,368
had nothing
to do with churches.
1386
01:07:58,419 --> 01:08:00,504
They had to do
with Joe Taxpayer.
1387
01:08:00,538 --> 01:08:03,490
And they we were publishing
these glossy,
1388
01:08:03,508 --> 01:08:04,925
expensive magazines.
1389
01:08:04,959 --> 01:08:08,011
In fact, the exposรฉs
of IRS crimes
1390
01:08:08,045 --> 01:08:10,931
were so hated that possession
of "Freedom" magazine
1391
01:08:10,965 --> 01:08:13,884
was banned by IRS officials
in the IRS building.
1392
01:08:16,053 --> 01:08:20,941
There is going to be a IRS
conference in the Catskills.
1393
01:08:20,975 --> 01:08:24,060
Right?
And so we would send a PI,
1394
01:08:24,112 --> 01:08:26,113
find out which hotel
it's gonna be at,
1395
01:08:26,147 --> 01:08:29,349
get down there during
happy hour, socialize.
1396
01:08:29,367 --> 01:08:32,536
And this guy's tallying
who's drinkin' what.
1397
01:08:32,570 --> 01:08:34,454
And so we go through
Freedom of Information Act
1398
01:08:34,489 --> 01:08:37,741
to find out that the taxpayers
are paying the bar bill,
1399
01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:39,576
and it's so much money.
1400
01:08:39,627 --> 01:08:40,827
And of course, you know,
1401
01:08:40,861 --> 01:08:42,695
in the scheme of things,
it's nothing.
1402
01:08:42,713 --> 01:08:44,581
But from a PR perspective,
it's everything.
1403
01:08:44,632 --> 01:08:48,668
IRS officials told me
to my face
1404
01:08:48,702 --> 01:08:51,138
they weren't interested
in hearing anything
1405
01:08:51,172 --> 01:08:55,058
I had to say
because, and I quote,
1406
01:08:55,092 --> 01:08:57,210
"You are a Scientologist.
1407
01:08:57,229 --> 01:09:00,430
"You are a mindless robot."
1408
01:09:00,481 --> 01:09:04,234
Well, those who know me
can imagine my response.
1409
01:09:06,604 --> 01:09:10,440
It was short,
but certainly made the point.
1410
01:09:12,326 --> 01:09:16,163
A negotiation
began to take place
1411
01:09:16,197 --> 01:09:20,450
between the IRS and the
Church of Scientology.
1412
01:09:20,501 --> 01:09:22,419
How do you define
a religion?
1413
01:09:22,453 --> 01:09:24,037
It's not so easy.
1414
01:09:24,071 --> 01:09:28,175
Why is one body
of thinking a religion
1415
01:09:28,209 --> 01:09:30,677
and another body not?
1416
01:09:30,711 --> 01:09:35,515
The only organization entitled
to make those distinctions
1417
01:09:35,550 --> 01:09:37,551
is the IRS as an agency--
1418
01:09:37,585 --> 01:09:39,853
very poorly equipped
to do that.
1419
01:09:39,887 --> 01:09:41,638
I mean, they're mainly
accountants and lawyers,
1420
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:43,440
they're not theologians.
1421
01:09:43,474 --> 01:09:46,109
But it's the only opinion
that matters.
1422
01:09:46,143 --> 01:09:49,396
Once the IRS has decided
that you are a religion,
1423
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:53,567
then you are protected
by the vast protections
1424
01:09:53,618 --> 01:09:56,236
of the First Amendment.
1425
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:59,122
And, as the saying goes,
1426
01:09:59,156 --> 01:10:02,775
the rest is history.
On October the first, 1993,
1427
01:10:02,793 --> 01:10:05,879
at 8:37 PM
Eastern Standard Time,
1428
01:10:05,913 --> 01:10:09,132
the IRS issued letters
recognizing Scientology
1429
01:10:09,166 --> 01:10:11,251
and every one
of its organizations
1430
01:10:11,285 --> 01:10:14,471
as fully tax-exempt!
The war is over!
1431
01:10:21,395 --> 01:10:23,263
The war ended
1432
01:10:23,297 --> 01:10:25,232
because the IRS surrendered.
1433
01:10:25,266 --> 01:10:27,434
It forgave
the billion-dollar tax bill
1434
01:10:27,468 --> 01:10:31,104
and granted Scientology
its tax exemption.
1435
01:10:31,138 --> 01:10:33,907
Even Hubbard's novels
were declared religious texts,
1436
01:10:33,941 --> 01:10:37,110
their sales
exempt from taxes.
1437
01:10:37,144 --> 01:10:39,529
What happened
is that Fred Goldberg,
1438
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:42,365
who was the IRS commissioner
at that time--
1439
01:10:42,416 --> 01:10:45,252
Miscavige let Goldberg know
that if we could find a way
1440
01:10:45,286 --> 01:10:46,786
to get tax-exempt status,
1441
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:48,655
all those lawsuits
will go away overnight.
1442
01:10:48,673 --> 01:10:50,123
And as we were going
out the door,
1443
01:10:50,157 --> 01:10:52,492
Fred Goldberg goes,
"Is he serious?"
1444
01:10:52,510 --> 01:10:54,127
And I said, "Yeah."
1445
01:10:54,161 --> 01:10:56,329
And he sort of breathed
this sigh of relief,
1446
01:10:56,347 --> 01:10:58,515
kind of nodded,
and smiled.
1447
01:10:58,549 --> 01:11:01,301
At the Church's
victory party,
1448
01:11:01,335 --> 01:11:04,104
Miscavige projected photos
of the church's executives
1449
01:11:04,138 --> 01:11:07,691
celebrating
with IRS officials.
1450
01:11:07,725 --> 01:11:10,777
It created
this tremendous juggernaut
1451
01:11:10,811 --> 01:11:15,398
of tight conspiracy of the
membership that then existed,
1452
01:11:15,449 --> 01:11:18,785
but what it really did
was enable Miscavige
1453
01:11:18,819 --> 01:11:22,072
to milk every last dime
1454
01:11:22,123 --> 01:11:23,907
out of that core membership.
1455
01:11:23,958 --> 01:11:28,044
I am proud to announce
the discrimination is over.
1456
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:29,963
Your tax dona--
1457
01:11:29,997 --> 01:11:32,031
deductions on donations
to Scientology
1458
01:11:32,049 --> 01:11:35,585
will no longer be disallowed
by the Internal Revenue Service.
1459
01:11:38,472 --> 01:11:40,924
In the '80s,
while Hubbard was in hiding,
1460
01:11:40,975 --> 01:11:44,561
Scientology was going through
some very severe litigation,
1461
01:11:44,595 --> 01:11:46,429
in particular,
a lawsuit in Oregon,
1462
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,014
and one in Los Angeles.
1463
01:11:48,065 --> 01:11:50,567
One of them did produce
a $30 million judgment.
1464
01:11:50,601 --> 01:11:52,402
This scared Scientology.
1465
01:11:52,436 --> 01:11:54,321
They realized
they were vulnerable.
1466
01:11:54,355 --> 01:11:55,772
And so they
asked Scientologists,
1467
01:11:55,823 --> 01:11:58,024
"Okay, give us
a few thousand dollars.
1468
01:11:58,058 --> 01:12:00,276
"You'll get a nice ribbon
or something.
1469
01:12:00,328 --> 01:12:02,395
"You're not gonna get any courses
from it." And this was new,
1470
01:12:02,413 --> 01:12:04,397
the idea that you would
give them money
1471
01:12:04,415 --> 01:12:06,583
just to defend
against lawsuits.
1472
01:12:06,617 --> 01:12:07,917
And that grew and grew.
1473
01:12:07,952 --> 01:12:10,754
Now Scientologists
are constantly
1474
01:12:10,788 --> 01:12:14,090
under intense pressure
just to hand money over.
1475
01:12:14,125 --> 01:12:16,676
They pitch themselves
as being the underdog,
1476
01:12:16,711 --> 01:12:21,297
as being the victim.
And you identify with that.
1477
01:12:21,349 --> 01:12:22,915
But then they start
hitting you up
1478
01:12:22,933 --> 01:12:25,051
for bigger donations, and bigger--
and I got a lot of pressure.
1479
01:12:25,085 --> 01:12:28,304
And I think I donated another
$250,000 to them under pressure.
1480
01:12:28,356 --> 01:12:29,922
They really know
how to do it.
1481
01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:32,308
They really know how to do it, and
he just was after me and after me.
1482
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,561
And they said,
"We're under attack, Paul."
1483
01:12:34,595 --> 01:12:36,696
This one guy who donated
$25 million,
1484
01:12:36,731 --> 01:12:39,098
for no-- you know,
just straight donation,
1485
01:12:39,116 --> 01:12:41,534
to this--
to the Scientology war chest.
1486
01:12:44,271 --> 01:12:46,039
Churches are tax-exempt
1487
01:12:46,073 --> 01:12:49,125
because they're supposed
to provide a public good.
1488
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,294
To prove that good
to the IRS,
1489
01:12:51,328 --> 01:12:53,747
churches aren't supposed
to hoard their money.
1490
01:12:53,781 --> 01:12:57,751
They're supposed to spend it
on services for the faithful.
1491
01:12:57,785 --> 01:13:00,920
Under this pretense, the church
had made massive investments
1492
01:13:00,971 --> 01:13:03,006
in tax-free real estate
all over the world.
1493
01:13:03,057 --> 01:13:05,725
And when it comes
to labor costs,
1494
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,429
they are almost free.
1495
01:13:09,463 --> 01:13:11,514
The max I got paid,
you know,
1496
01:13:11,565 --> 01:13:14,300
on a weekly basis
was 50 bucks,
1497
01:13:14,318 --> 01:13:16,269
um, for 28 years.
1498
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,639
Sea Org workers
take home something
1499
01:13:19,657 --> 01:13:23,243
between six and 40 cents
an hour.
1500
01:13:23,277 --> 01:13:26,979
So if you've got
very low labor costs,
1501
01:13:26,997 --> 01:13:31,167
no taxes to pay, and wealthy
people giving you donations,
1502
01:13:31,202 --> 01:13:35,839
you can see why Scientology has
amassed huge piles of money.
1503
01:13:35,873 --> 01:13:37,323
How much are they worth?
1504
01:13:37,341 --> 01:13:39,676
This was a bit of a mystery,
but just recently,
1505
01:13:39,710 --> 01:13:41,994
I obtained tax records
that Scientology
1506
01:13:42,012 --> 01:13:43,830
does have to turn in.
1507
01:13:43,848 --> 01:13:46,332
Three of the main entities
of Scientology--
1508
01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:48,017
and there are 20
or 30 of them--
1509
01:13:48,052 --> 01:13:50,503
but the top three,
just on their own,
1510
01:13:50,521 --> 01:13:54,190
have a book value
of $1.5 billion.
1511
01:13:55,476 --> 01:13:58,645
It's stunning how much money
a nonprofit
1512
01:13:58,679 --> 01:14:00,230
has been able to amass.
1513
01:14:10,858 --> 01:14:14,828
It is a crime that we've given
them religious recognition
1514
01:14:14,862 --> 01:14:16,529
and that
they can hide behind it.
1515
01:14:16,547 --> 01:14:18,715
Meanwhile, you got
very good people in there,
1516
01:14:18,749 --> 01:14:21,200
and their lives
are being destroyed.
1517
01:14:21,218 --> 01:14:23,136
When I started
this story,
1518
01:14:23,170 --> 01:14:26,506
I stumbled across an FBI
investigation of the church.
1519
01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:29,375
They were investigating
human trafficking.
1520
01:14:29,393 --> 01:14:32,479
It seemed that people were being
confined against their will.
1521
01:14:32,513 --> 01:14:36,015
There were lots of reports of
people being physically abused,
1522
01:14:36,049 --> 01:14:39,185
and the exploitation
of labor and child labor.
1523
01:14:39,219 --> 01:14:43,273
All of these things were
questions that the FBI had.
1524
01:14:43,324 --> 01:14:45,942
While that investigation
was going on,
1525
01:14:45,993 --> 01:14:49,112
a case was being heard
in Colorado--
1526
01:14:49,163 --> 01:14:52,031
the Headleys,
who were suing the church
1527
01:14:52,065 --> 01:14:55,752
for many
of these same violations.
1528
01:14:55,786 --> 01:14:58,421
And the court
ruled in that case
1529
01:14:58,455 --> 01:15:01,040
that these are all
essentially practices
1530
01:15:01,074 --> 01:15:04,210
that are protected
by the religious clause
1531
01:15:04,244 --> 01:15:06,913
of the First Amendment.
1532
01:15:06,931 --> 01:15:08,431
Once that ruling came out,
1533
01:15:08,465 --> 01:15:10,717
the FBI dropped
its investigation.
1534
01:15:10,751 --> 01:15:15,221
I think it was an indication
that the church is protected.
1535
01:15:15,272 --> 01:15:18,608
Before ending cycle
completely on the IRS,
1536
01:15:18,642 --> 01:15:21,277
there is one thing
I do wish to do.
1537
01:15:21,312 --> 01:15:24,430
Sir. Done.
1538
01:16:21,288 --> 01:16:23,006
The "We Stand Tall" thing--
1539
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,792
this again was part
of this whole IRS thing.
1540
01:16:25,826 --> 01:16:28,294
And Miscavige kind of
had this song composed
1541
01:16:28,328 --> 01:16:30,597
by the musician group
they had up at the studio.
1542
01:16:30,631 --> 01:16:32,548
He was trying
to turn this into--
1543
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,435
This was a result of the power
of this movement...
1544
01:16:44,645 --> 01:16:46,646
...which was such bullshit,
1545
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,365
because it was
all about control.
1546
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,352
When he got absolute control,
he went absolutely bonkers.
1547
01:17:06,250 --> 01:17:08,051
You know, most religions
are tax-exempt
1548
01:17:08,085 --> 01:17:10,053
and many have beliefs
and practices
1549
01:17:10,087 --> 01:17:13,306
that in the modern context
would be considered strange.
1550
01:17:13,340 --> 01:17:14,924
Is Scientology any different?
1551
01:17:14,975 --> 01:17:16,259
I mean,
if you go to a Christian
1552
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:19,178
or a Jew or a Muslim,
and ask them,
1553
01:17:19,212 --> 01:17:20,713
"What do you believe?",
1554
01:17:20,731 --> 01:17:22,348
they can basically describe
1555
01:17:22,382 --> 01:17:25,401
the most important parts
of their religion
1556
01:17:25,436 --> 01:17:27,020
in a minute or two.
1557
01:17:27,054 --> 01:17:28,721
Well, what does
a Scientologist believe?
1558
01:17:28,739 --> 01:17:31,491
You need to be in Scientology
for seven or eight years,
1559
01:17:31,525 --> 01:17:33,893
and in for a couple hundred
thousand dollars,
1560
01:17:33,911 --> 01:17:35,945
before you finally
learn this backstory
1561
01:17:35,996 --> 01:17:37,864
of Xenu
the Galactic Overlord.
1562
01:17:37,898 --> 01:17:39,782
Now, if you were told that
on day one,
1563
01:17:39,833 --> 01:17:41,784
how many people would join?
1564
01:17:41,835 --> 01:17:43,503
But if they were
upfront about it,
1565
01:17:43,537 --> 01:17:45,121
I'd have more respect
for them.
1566
01:17:45,172 --> 01:17:46,873
But it's that sort of
bait and switch
1567
01:17:46,907 --> 01:17:49,008
that people are told,
"Oh, it's an applied philosophy
1568
01:17:49,043 --> 01:17:51,077
"to help you
with your communication."
1569
01:17:51,095 --> 01:17:52,762
Oh, yeah?
1570
01:17:52,796 --> 01:17:55,081
So why is Tom Cruise
paying 1,000 bucks
1571
01:17:55,099 --> 01:17:58,250
to have invisible aliens
pulled out of his body?
1572
01:18:06,727 --> 01:18:08,528
What happens when
your zone of influence
1573
01:18:08,562 --> 01:18:10,063
is the global stage?
1574
01:18:10,097 --> 01:18:14,534
How much must one do to call
themselves a Scientologist?
1575
01:18:14,568 --> 01:18:17,603
How much so that when their
head hits the pillow,
1576
01:18:17,621 --> 01:18:19,739
they can live
with themselves,
1577
01:18:19,773 --> 01:18:22,492
knowing they did
all they could do?
1578
01:18:22,543 --> 01:18:24,827
That is our final story
this evening.
1579
01:18:24,878 --> 01:18:28,498
It's a story that affects
every Scientologist,
1580
01:18:28,549 --> 01:18:32,719
for all of us are the beneficiaries
of what he presents.
1581
01:18:34,638 --> 01:18:37,340
Tom Cruise was the guy.
1582
01:18:37,391 --> 01:18:41,561
Miscavige and Cruise
had been pretty buddy-buddy,
1583
01:18:41,595 --> 01:18:44,680
way back
to "Days of Thunder."
1584
01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:48,735
He was on the set with him,
he went skydiving with him,
1585
01:18:48,769 --> 01:18:52,105
was hangin' out with him
all the time.
1586
01:18:52,156 --> 01:18:54,807
And that was when
Tom first met Nicole.
1587
01:18:54,825 --> 01:18:57,276
He had really fallen for her.
1588
01:18:57,310 --> 01:18:58,611
They got married,
1589
01:18:58,645 --> 01:19:01,697
and this posed
a dilemma for the church,
1590
01:19:01,749 --> 01:19:03,199
because her father
1591
01:19:03,250 --> 01:19:07,420
is a well-known psychologist
in Australia.
1592
01:19:07,454 --> 01:19:09,705
From the church's perspective,
he's the enemy.
1593
01:19:09,757 --> 01:19:11,674
He's a suppressive person.
1594
01:19:11,708 --> 01:19:13,342
How could you ignore me
like this?
1595
01:19:13,377 --> 01:19:15,094
Because Nicole is still
1596
01:19:15,129 --> 01:19:17,680
in a relationship
with her father,
1597
01:19:17,714 --> 01:19:19,999
that makes her dangerous.
1598
01:19:20,017 --> 01:19:23,553
She's a Potential
Trouble Source, PTS.
1599
01:19:23,604 --> 01:19:27,356
And because Tom
is related to her,
1600
01:19:27,391 --> 01:19:30,810
this all causes trouble
from the church's perspective.
1601
01:19:30,861 --> 01:19:32,728
You have to
break that dynamic.
1602
01:19:32,780 --> 01:19:35,848
Nicole-- her biggest beef
1603
01:19:35,866 --> 01:19:40,570
was that Tom was becoming
increasingly like Dave.
1604
01:19:40,621 --> 01:19:43,355
She really got him
to drift away from the church,
1605
01:19:43,373 --> 01:19:47,243
and Tom was not really actively
involved in Scientology
1606
01:19:47,294 --> 01:19:50,997
between '92-ish
all the way up until 2001.
1607
01:19:52,382 --> 01:19:56,135
They were away
for more than a year
1608
01:19:56,170 --> 01:19:58,971
shooting "Eyes Wide Shut"
in the UK.
1609
01:19:59,006 --> 01:20:02,925
And Cruise was not in touch
with Miscavige,
1610
01:20:02,976 --> 01:20:05,311
and this
drove Miscavige crazy.
1611
01:20:05,345 --> 01:20:08,047
I was assigned to, um,
get him back in.
1612
01:20:08,065 --> 01:20:11,350
And that was coincident with,
and-- and I was to facilitate
1613
01:20:11,384 --> 01:20:13,686
the breakup
with Nicole Kidman.
1614
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,605
And how'd you do that?
1615
01:20:15,656 --> 01:20:18,241
Uh, well,
through a lot of auditing.
1616
01:20:18,275 --> 01:20:21,861
And every session
I ever gave to Tom Cruise--
1617
01:20:21,895 --> 01:20:25,948
and there was dozens upon dozens
of them over a three-year period--
1618
01:20:25,999 --> 01:20:27,733
I had to write
detailed reports
1619
01:20:27,751 --> 01:20:30,253
and send them directly
to David Miscavige.
1620
01:20:30,287 --> 01:20:32,672
I would sit there every night
with our Scotch
1621
01:20:32,706 --> 01:20:35,007
and watch and listen
to Miscavige comment
1622
01:20:35,042 --> 01:20:38,711
about Cruise's sex life,
and what-- yeah,
1623
01:20:38,745 --> 01:20:40,546
how perverted he was.
1624
01:20:40,580 --> 01:20:44,250
Why is he gettin'
daily reports on Cruise?
1625
01:20:44,268 --> 01:20:46,769
Miscavige really wanted
to get him back
1626
01:20:46,803 --> 01:20:48,437
into being somebody
that he could use
1627
01:20:48,472 --> 01:20:52,308
to lure people into Scientology
and increase his own status.
1628
01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:55,144
And I was also involved
in the legal team
1629
01:20:55,195 --> 01:21:00,116
and actually hiring investigators
to investigate Nicole.
1630
01:21:00,151 --> 01:21:01,784
Men have to stick it in
every place they can,
1631
01:21:01,818 --> 01:21:03,819
but for women--
women, it is just about
1632
01:21:03,871 --> 01:21:05,738
security and commitment--
1633
01:21:05,772 --> 01:21:08,040
Tom wanted to know exactly
who she was talking to,
1634
01:21:08,075 --> 01:21:10,877
and so he wanted
to tap her phone.
1635
01:21:10,911 --> 01:21:14,797
If you men only knew.
1636
01:21:14,831 --> 01:21:16,299
When I reported that day
to Miscavige,
1637
01:21:16,334 --> 01:21:19,618
I reported it, like, "I mean,
he wants to tap her phone."
1638
01:21:19,636 --> 01:21:21,921
He said,
"God damn it, get it done."
1639
01:21:21,955 --> 01:21:25,758
And so I arranged, through the
Scientology's consigliere,
1640
01:21:25,792 --> 01:21:28,394
to get
a private investigator
1641
01:21:28,428 --> 01:21:30,980
who physically installed
a wiretap on her home.
1642
01:21:31,014 --> 01:21:32,965
And those tapes
would come in,
1643
01:21:32,983 --> 01:21:36,435
and I forwarded them
to Dave Miscavige.
1644
01:21:36,486 --> 01:21:38,938
The church then turned
its attention
1645
01:21:38,972 --> 01:21:43,242
to their adopted children, to
turn them against their mother
1646
01:21:43,277 --> 01:21:46,329
and make sure
that the custody went to Tom.
1647
01:21:48,665 --> 01:21:52,501
Tommy Davis,
he was my liaison
1648
01:21:52,536 --> 01:21:55,838
who had to do all the things
that are required
1649
01:21:55,872 --> 01:21:57,256
to please Tom Cruise
1650
01:21:57,291 --> 01:22:00,009
while he was being put through
the Scientology hoops by me.
1651
01:22:00,043 --> 01:22:04,547
He also was part of this
whole reeducation program,
1652
01:22:04,598 --> 01:22:07,717
so that they would conclude
that their mother
1653
01:22:07,768 --> 01:22:10,219
was a suppressive person.
1654
01:22:10,270 --> 01:22:12,438
And that was successful.
1655
01:22:12,472 --> 01:22:14,357
It was all going
according to plan.
1656
01:22:14,391 --> 01:22:17,109
And of course,
Miscavige would really
1657
01:22:17,144 --> 01:22:19,895
pump the oxygen into that
little fire, you know.
1658
01:22:19,947 --> 01:22:24,350
Miscavige was brilliant
at flaming people's fears,
1659
01:22:24,368 --> 01:22:26,485
and building up their egos.
1660
01:22:28,572 --> 01:22:31,240
So you were
being audited by Marty
1661
01:22:31,291 --> 01:22:33,376
at the same time
he was auditing Cruise?
1662
01:22:33,410 --> 01:22:35,694
Oh, yeah, yeah, I was--
yeah, Tom Cruise.
1663
01:22:35,712 --> 01:22:38,214
Tom would go in, and I would
go in, and Tom would go in,
1664
01:22:38,248 --> 01:22:40,883
and I would go in,
and so, you know...
1665
01:22:40,917 --> 01:22:43,886
And I had been audited by the
best auditors on the planet.
1666
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,172
The best auditor,
hands down,
1667
01:22:46,206 --> 01:22:48,758
I mean, like--
like kinda Michael Jordan,
1668
01:22:48,809 --> 01:22:51,427
Wayne Gretsky,
kinda auditor is Marty.
1669
01:22:55,098 --> 01:22:57,066
They stole him,
you know?
1670
01:22:57,100 --> 01:23:00,219
Tom thinks he's supposed
to be David Miscavige.
1671
01:23:01,905 --> 01:23:04,573
By 2004, Tom Cruise was the most
gung-ho Scientologist in the world,
1672
01:23:04,608 --> 01:23:06,776
and Miscavige wanted
to recognize him for it.
1673
01:23:06,827 --> 01:23:09,561
He called it
the Freedom Medal of Valor
1674
01:23:09,579 --> 01:23:13,115
and they put together
this 35-minute video.
1675
01:23:13,166 --> 01:23:18,037
IAS Freedom Medal
of Valor winner, Tom Cruise!
1676
01:23:18,071 --> 01:23:20,406
In it, they just
pump up this idea
1677
01:23:20,424 --> 01:23:25,094
that Tom Cruise is the ambassador
of Scientology to the world.
1678
01:23:25,128 --> 01:23:27,797
He's known as
the biggest movie star ever.
1679
01:23:27,848 --> 01:23:29,581
Tom Cruise
travels this world,
1680
01:23:29,599 --> 01:23:31,750
meeting with ministers,
ambassadors,
1681
01:23:31,768 --> 01:23:33,352
and the American
State Department,
1682
01:23:33,387 --> 01:23:38,391
advancing LRH technology straight
into the corridors of power.
1683
01:23:38,442 --> 01:23:40,059
It's about
improving conditions.
1684
01:23:40,093 --> 01:23:42,228
It allows you to find out
for yourself.
1685
01:23:42,262 --> 01:23:43,729
There's things
that we can do to help.
1686
01:23:43,780 --> 01:23:45,531
They even did
a calculation,
1687
01:23:45,565 --> 01:23:47,700
where they figured
between his films
1688
01:23:47,734 --> 01:23:49,768
and all the "opinion leaders"
that he had met
1689
01:23:49,786 --> 01:23:51,404
and all the travel
he had done...
1690
01:23:51,438 --> 01:23:54,290
- Tom Cruise has introduced
- LRH technology
1691
01:23:54,324 --> 01:23:57,943
to over one billion people
of Earth.
1692
01:23:57,961 --> 01:24:01,247
No question, he has been
a huge asset to them.
1693
01:24:01,298 --> 01:24:03,949
Which is why the story
of Tom Cruise,
1694
01:24:03,967 --> 01:24:09,088
Scientologist,
has only just begun.
1695
01:24:09,122 --> 01:24:11,123
I think it's a privilege to
call yourself a Scientologist,
1696
01:24:11,141 --> 01:24:12,975
and it's something
that you have to earn.
1697
01:24:13,009 --> 01:24:14,927
Scientology loves to use
this word "end phenomena."
1698
01:24:14,961 --> 01:24:17,813
Every level
has an end phenomena,
1699
01:24:17,848 --> 01:24:19,148
you know, that you attain,
1700
01:24:19,232 --> 01:24:22,184
and Tom Cruise shows that.
1701
01:24:22,235 --> 01:24:24,687
That video with him in the
black turtleneck sweater?
1702
01:24:24,738 --> 01:24:26,489
A scientologist is someone
who can look at the world
1703
01:24:26,523 --> 01:24:28,640
and really see what it is.
1704
01:24:28,658 --> 01:24:31,777
Not only look at it and see
it, but be able to go,
1705
01:24:31,811 --> 01:24:35,030
poof, and be effective,
and do something about it.
1706
01:24:35,115 --> 01:24:37,950
And he's as arrogant
and as untouchable
1707
01:24:37,984 --> 01:24:39,368
as could possibly be.
1708
01:24:39,419 --> 01:24:42,505
At the same time, he looks
like an utter crazy paranoiac.
1709
01:24:44,657 --> 01:24:49,295
And, uh...
I know-- you know, she...
1710
01:24:49,329 --> 01:24:52,965
They, said, "So, like
have you met an SP?"
1711
01:24:57,337 --> 01:25:00,139
And I looked at her,
1712
01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:03,109
and I thought, "Oh,
what a beautiful thing,"
1713
01:25:03,143 --> 01:25:05,811
because maybe one day,
it'll be like that.
1714
01:25:05,845 --> 01:25:07,947
You know what I'm saying?
Maybe one day,
1715
01:25:07,981 --> 01:25:10,816
it will be that--
"Wow. SP's?"
1716
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:12,401
Like, they'll just
read about those
1717
01:25:12,452 --> 01:25:14,353
in the history books,
you know?
1718
01:25:14,371 --> 01:25:16,238
That's where it takes you.
1719
01:25:16,289 --> 01:25:19,875
That's the end phenomena
of the Scientology Bridge.
1720
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:21,994
All Scientologists
are full of shit.
1721
01:25:22,028 --> 01:25:24,163
You know, they lie.
"Aw, I'm doing great!
1722
01:25:24,197 --> 01:25:26,048
"You gotta get on seven."
1723
01:25:26,082 --> 01:25:28,050
You know,
and they're fucking--
1724
01:25:28,084 --> 01:25:30,469
"I've got a fucking migraine
right now,
1725
01:25:30,504 --> 01:25:33,305
"and I've never
felt so shitty!"
1726
01:25:33,340 --> 01:25:35,707
You know,
that's the fucking life.
1727
01:25:38,061 --> 01:25:41,046
There's nothing
part of the way for me!
1728
01:25:43,216 --> 01:25:44,817
It's just-- whoo!
1729
01:25:44,851 --> 01:25:46,652
He drank the Kool-Aid.
1730
01:25:46,686 --> 01:25:49,155
And in the eyes of Miscavige,
1731
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:53,742
Tom Cruise is the perfect
Scientology celebrity.
1732
01:25:53,827 --> 01:25:56,612
And nobody's benefited more
from his membership.
1733
01:25:56,663 --> 01:25:59,281
I mean, the amount
of free Sea Org labor.
1734
01:25:59,332 --> 01:26:02,734
- Sea Org members make
- 40 cents an hour,
1735
01:26:02,753 --> 01:26:04,537
and I don't think
there's any way
1736
01:26:04,571 --> 01:26:06,338
Tom Cruise
is not aware of that.
1737
01:26:06,373 --> 01:26:07,706
The church
has done so much for him.
1738
01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:09,925
They tricked out all his cars
and his motorcycles.
1739
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,379
"Oh, I want a new limo."
"We'll build it for you."
1740
01:26:13,413 --> 01:26:16,515
Decked out Tom Cruise's hangar
in Santa Monica.
1741
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:20,603
Installed all the audiovisual
stuff in Cruise's home.
1742
01:26:20,637 --> 01:26:22,938
Tom Cruise had expressed
this fantasy
1743
01:26:22,974 --> 01:26:26,275
of wanting to run through a
meadow with Nicole Kidman.
1744
01:26:26,309 --> 01:26:28,611
And so everybody had to work,
and till the soil.
1745
01:26:28,645 --> 01:26:30,896
And then David Miscavige
didn't like it,
1746
01:26:30,981 --> 01:26:33,465
and so the whole thing
had to be ripped up again.
1747
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:35,784
This was at the Gold facility,
1748
01:26:35,819 --> 01:26:37,453
which is this desert facility,
1749
01:26:37,487 --> 01:26:39,872
where this is all kinds
of great stuff,
1750
01:26:39,906 --> 01:26:41,457
if you're Tom Cruise,
you know?
1751
01:26:41,575 --> 01:26:43,158
Wonderful living quarters
and a gym.
1752
01:26:43,210 --> 01:26:45,828
When Cruise comes up,
everyone's told in advance,
1753
01:26:45,879 --> 01:26:47,779
"You better have
a fucking smile on your face."
1754
01:26:47,797 --> 01:26:49,882
Everyone had to
call Cruise "sir."
1755
01:27:12,739 --> 01:27:15,691
Thank you.
1756
01:27:15,742 --> 01:27:17,660
It's this
side-by-side world.
1757
01:27:17,694 --> 01:27:19,862
There are celebrities
like Cruise and Travolta,
1758
01:27:19,913 --> 01:27:21,363
and then, you know,
there are people
1759
01:27:21,414 --> 01:27:24,667
who tell terrible tales of what
happened to them in the church--
1760
01:27:24,701 --> 01:27:29,204
being imprisoned and really
horrible psychological games.
1761
01:27:31,491 --> 01:27:33,792
Tom was in Spain.
1762
01:27:33,826 --> 01:27:38,047
They were opening up a new
Scientology church in Madrid.
1763
01:27:38,098 --> 01:27:40,716
And he was overheard
to complain
1764
01:27:40,767 --> 01:27:42,685
that he needed
a new girlfriend.
1765
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:46,689
Soon after that, a young
Scientologist premed student
1766
01:27:46,723 --> 01:27:49,775
named Nazanin Boniadi--
she was told
1767
01:27:49,809 --> 01:27:52,444
that she was going to get
a special assignment.
1768
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,179
...number of transactions
increase...
1769
01:27:54,197 --> 01:27:57,116
Years later, Nazanin became
a successful TV actress
1770
01:27:57,150 --> 01:28:00,536
and she would have a small
part in a Paul Haggis film.
1771
01:28:00,570 --> 01:28:03,455
But at the time, she was a
dedicated young Scientologist
1772
01:28:03,490 --> 01:28:05,524
who believed
in the Church's claims
1773
01:28:05,542 --> 01:28:07,493
for its humanitarian
mission.
1774
01:28:07,527 --> 01:28:09,795
In fact,
she set a monthly record
1775
01:28:09,829 --> 01:28:13,048
for selling books
for the church.
1776
01:28:13,083 --> 01:28:16,535
Nazanin may not speak publicly
about her experiences
1777
01:28:16,553 --> 01:28:19,555
because of an NDA the church
pressured her to sign,
1778
01:28:19,589 --> 01:28:22,874
but I discovered details
from FBI testimony
1779
01:28:22,892 --> 01:28:25,144
regarding her ordeal.
1780
01:28:25,178 --> 01:28:27,680
David Miscavige
assigned Nazanin's case
1781
01:28:27,714 --> 01:28:30,316
to a key church official,
Greg Wilhere.
1782
01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:32,484
He put her through
a one-month program
1783
01:28:32,519 --> 01:28:37,356
of on-camera interviews, intensive
auditing, and security checks.
1784
01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:39,575
She was moved
into the Celebrity Center,
1785
01:28:39,609 --> 01:28:43,061
separated from her family, and
certain problems were addressed
1786
01:28:43,079 --> 01:28:44,663
during this period of time.
1787
01:28:44,698 --> 01:28:46,999
One was,
she had a boyfriend.
1788
01:28:47,033 --> 01:28:50,953
She is handed a transcript
of his auditing session,
1789
01:28:51,004 --> 01:28:53,405
in which he admitted
that he had an affair.
1790
01:28:53,423 --> 01:28:55,457
And so she broke up
with him.
1791
01:28:55,508 --> 01:28:57,793
Then Wilhere took her
to an orthodontist
1792
01:28:57,844 --> 01:28:59,044
to have her braces removed.
1793
01:28:59,078 --> 01:29:01,213
At Burberry and other stores
in Beverly Hills,
1794
01:29:01,247 --> 01:29:04,916
he bought her $20,000
worth of clothes.
1795
01:29:04,934 --> 01:29:07,269
At the Celebrity Centre,
a man who worked
1796
01:29:07,303 --> 01:29:08,854
for Cruise's hair stylist
1797
01:29:08,888 --> 01:29:11,923
colored Nazanin's hair
to Cruise's liking.
1798
01:29:11,941 --> 01:29:13,942
Nazanin was told
that her makeover
1799
01:29:13,977 --> 01:29:16,812
was a part of the church's
humanitarian mission.
1800
01:29:16,863 --> 01:29:21,266
She had to look her best for
conferences with world leaders.
1801
01:29:23,653 --> 01:29:26,938
Only after she was flown
first class to New York
1802
01:29:26,956 --> 01:29:28,824
did she discover
the actual role
1803
01:29:28,875 --> 01:29:31,160
that the church
wanted her to play.
1804
01:29:31,211 --> 01:29:35,914
She was to be the girlfriend
of Scientology's biggest star.
1805
01:29:37,417 --> 01:29:40,636
Within a month, Nazanin
was living with Cruise.
1806
01:29:40,670 --> 01:29:42,588
While at his house
in Telluride,
1807
01:29:42,622 --> 01:29:44,056
Miscavige came to visit.
1808
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:46,225
Overcome
by a severe headache,
1809
01:29:46,259 --> 01:29:49,128
Nazanin had a hard time
understanding Miscavige,
1810
01:29:49,162 --> 01:29:50,662
which infuriated him.
1811
01:29:50,697 --> 01:29:53,131
The next day, Cruise,
inches from her face,
1812
01:29:53,149 --> 01:29:55,984
pounded his fist on the table
and screamed at her
1813
01:29:56,019 --> 01:29:58,270
for insulting the head
of the church.
1814
01:29:58,304 --> 01:30:00,639
Two weeks later,
church henchman Tommy Davis
1815
01:30:00,657 --> 01:30:03,192
delivered
the news to Nazanin--
1816
01:30:03,243 --> 01:30:05,694
the relationship with Cruise
was over.
1817
01:30:05,745 --> 01:30:07,029
And they, according to her,
1818
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,248
came to her apartment
with her mom
1819
01:30:09,282 --> 01:30:12,117
and found every photograph
of the two of them together,
1820
01:30:12,151 --> 01:30:15,087
and took them away. Every scrap,
every letter, everything,
1821
01:30:15,121 --> 01:30:17,873
they...
as if it never existed.
1822
01:30:17,924 --> 01:30:19,875
And she was really upset,
1823
01:30:19,926 --> 01:30:22,594
because she had been really
hurt by the whole thing.
1824
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:25,163
And she made the mistake
of telling her friend,
1825
01:30:25,181 --> 01:30:28,517
who immediately went to tell
someone in the church.
1826
01:30:28,551 --> 01:30:31,002
She agreed
to do punishments,
1827
01:30:31,020 --> 01:30:33,222
like cleaning out
the public bathrooms
1828
01:30:33,273 --> 01:30:36,308
on her hands and knees
with a toothbrush,
1829
01:30:36,342 --> 01:30:41,063
while other people she knew
were stepping over her.
1830
01:30:41,114 --> 01:30:43,065
She did nothing wrong,
other than tell her friend
1831
01:30:43,116 --> 01:30:45,617
that she was heartbroken, and
this is the way she was treated?
1832
01:30:47,570 --> 01:30:50,522
- The church claims that
- Miscavige has no involvement
1833
01:30:50,540 --> 01:30:52,524
in Cruise's personal life
1834
01:30:52,542 --> 01:30:56,578
and that the search for Cruise's
girlfriend never existed.
1835
01:30:59,466 --> 01:31:03,385
I wanna tell you something.
1836
01:31:03,419 --> 01:31:07,055
I have never met
a more competent,
1837
01:31:07,090 --> 01:31:10,092
a more intelligent,
a more tolerant,
1838
01:31:10,143 --> 01:31:12,377
a more compassionate being,
1839
01:31:12,395 --> 01:31:17,599
outside of what
I've experienced from LRH.
1840
01:31:17,650 --> 01:31:20,686
And I've met the leaders
of leaders.
1841
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,771
Okay? I've met them all.
1842
01:31:22,822 --> 01:31:24,222
And so I say to you,
sir, COB,
1843
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,058
we are lucky to have you
and thank you very much.
1844
01:31:28,394 --> 01:31:30,362
While Miscavige
would do anything
1845
01:31:30,413 --> 01:31:32,531
for the Church's
most famous celebrity,
1846
01:31:32,582 --> 01:31:34,449
Miscavige began
to turn against
1847
01:31:34,501 --> 01:31:37,452
the Sea Org's
highest-ranking executives.
1848
01:31:37,504 --> 01:31:41,089
He pretty much had international
management shut down.
1849
01:31:41,124 --> 01:31:43,375
He was into
this deep paranoia thing
1850
01:31:43,409 --> 01:31:44,927
about everybody is
out to get him.
1851
01:31:44,961 --> 01:31:47,963
He very definitely
1852
01:31:48,014 --> 01:31:50,582
wiped out
that organizational pattern
1853
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,935
in order to be able
to have ultimate power.
1854
01:31:52,969 --> 01:31:55,220
In 2004,
1855
01:31:55,254 --> 01:31:58,273
Miscavige ordered the top
officers of the Sea Org
1856
01:31:58,308 --> 01:32:00,559
to the Scientology's
Gold Base
1857
01:32:00,593 --> 01:32:02,110
in southern California.
1858
01:32:02,145 --> 01:32:05,197
He forced them to live in a
pair of double-wide trailers
1859
01:32:05,231 --> 01:32:07,616
that came to be called
"The Hole."
1860
01:32:07,650 --> 01:32:09,618
The doors had bars
put on them,
1861
01:32:09,652 --> 01:32:11,954
the windows all had bars
put on them,
1862
01:32:11,988 --> 01:32:14,373
and there was
one entrance door
1863
01:32:14,407 --> 01:32:17,543
that a security guard
sat at 24 hours a day.
1864
01:32:17,577 --> 01:32:19,628
They had to stay there,
sleep there.
1865
01:32:19,662 --> 01:32:23,048
It stunk and, you know, there
were ants crawling around.
1866
01:32:23,082 --> 01:32:25,334
You'd sleep about an hour
or two hours a night.
1867
01:32:25,385 --> 01:32:27,669
Um, you were
in such a mental state
1868
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,389
that you're very controllable,
very suggestible.
1869
01:32:30,423 --> 01:32:32,958
We were told
we needed to come up
1870
01:32:32,976 --> 01:32:35,344
with what
each other's crimes were
1871
01:32:35,395 --> 01:32:37,179
against Miscavige and Hubbard,
1872
01:32:37,230 --> 01:32:39,181
so that we could eventually
get out of the Hole.
1873
01:32:39,232 --> 01:32:41,600
Scientology is really good
1874
01:32:41,634 --> 01:32:43,986
at making you think
that you are a scoundrel.
1875
01:32:44,020 --> 01:32:47,406
"Confess your crimes! Confess your crimes!
What have you done?"
1876
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:48,523
Fights would break out.
1877
01:32:48,575 --> 01:32:51,360
Miscavige would get me
all riled up.
1878
01:32:51,411 --> 01:32:53,478
And I remember one time,
Mike had done something,
1879
01:32:53,496 --> 01:32:55,330
or not done something,
I don't remember,
1880
01:32:55,365 --> 01:32:57,282
and I was supposed to
go beat him up.
1881
01:32:57,316 --> 01:32:59,534
One executive was made
to mop up
1882
01:32:59,586 --> 01:33:01,453
the bathroom floor
with his tongue.
1883
01:33:01,487 --> 01:33:04,322
Another was put
into a bucket,
1884
01:33:04,340 --> 01:33:07,292
and pummeled by some of the
women, and called a lesbian.
1885
01:33:07,326 --> 01:33:10,345
There was a very powerful
air conditioner,
1886
01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:11,830
which blew straight down,
1887
01:33:11,848 --> 01:33:13,932
it was set
on maximum cold,
1888
01:33:13,967 --> 01:33:16,101
and a guy was
made to sit in a chair,
1889
01:33:16,135 --> 01:33:17,769
and had water
poured on his head
1890
01:33:17,804 --> 01:33:21,056
until he literally
turned blue.
1891
01:33:21,107 --> 01:33:23,225
Miscavige slapped me
across the face,
1892
01:33:23,276 --> 01:33:25,010
knocked me on the ground,
kicked me a couple times.
1893
01:33:25,028 --> 01:33:27,279
Flailing fists,
kneeing him in the stomach,
1894
01:33:27,313 --> 01:33:28,780
getting him on the floor.
1895
01:33:28,815 --> 01:33:33,351
And you think, you want
to get up and retaliate,
1896
01:33:33,369 --> 01:33:36,371
but you also think,
"I got 75 other people
1897
01:33:36,406 --> 01:33:40,709
"who are all likely
to tackle me if I did"...
1898
01:33:40,743 --> 01:33:44,463
and then you got
the sheer shock of it.
1899
01:33:44,497 --> 01:33:46,298
Here's the equivalent
of the Pope
1900
01:33:46,332 --> 01:33:48,700
suddenly knocking you
on the ground,
1901
01:33:48,718 --> 01:33:50,302
and you're thinking,
1902
01:33:50,336 --> 01:33:54,056
"I must have
really screwed up."
1903
01:33:56,009 --> 01:33:57,976
It was
a poisonous environment.
1904
01:33:58,011 --> 01:34:00,178
People were
really frightened.
1905
01:34:00,230 --> 01:34:02,681
And this went on for years.
1906
01:34:02,715 --> 01:34:04,850
This isn't a couple of days.
1907
01:34:04,901 --> 01:34:07,385
The nominal president
of the church,
1908
01:34:07,403 --> 01:34:08,737
this man
named Heber Jentszch,
1909
01:34:08,771 --> 01:34:10,405
he was in there
for seven years.
1910
01:34:10,440 --> 01:34:11,990
What is the statement?
1911
01:34:12,025 --> 01:34:13,892
"God helps those
who help themselves."
1912
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:15,444
Well, in Scientology,
we're engaged
1913
01:34:15,495 --> 01:34:17,162
in helping people
help themselves,
1914
01:34:17,196 --> 01:34:21,249
so they can fully comprehend
and understand God.
1915
01:34:28,091 --> 01:34:29,925
One night,
1916
01:34:29,959 --> 01:34:32,844
Miscavige comes
into the Hole with a boom box.
1917
01:34:32,879 --> 01:34:36,348
He said, "I'm gonna
teach you all a lesson.
1918
01:34:36,382 --> 01:34:38,884
"We're all gonna play
musical chairs."
1919
01:34:38,918 --> 01:34:40,519
And musical chairs
is a Scientology
1920
01:34:40,553 --> 01:34:42,387
administrative term
for when you move people
1921
01:34:42,421 --> 01:34:45,807
from different posts rapidly,
and you create instability.
1922
01:34:45,858 --> 01:34:47,142
They played
the damned music.
1923
01:34:52,315 --> 01:34:53,765
He said,
"We're gonna play it
1924
01:34:53,783 --> 01:34:55,951
to 'Bohemian Rhapsody'
by Queen."
1925
01:34:55,986 --> 01:34:57,536
And he emphasized the line...
1926
01:34:59,572 --> 01:35:01,990
..."nothing matters anymore."
And that's your whole attitude,
1927
01:35:02,041 --> 01:35:03,709
that's where you live,
that's who you are.
1928
01:35:03,743 --> 01:35:04,993
Playing that music,
and stop it,
1929
01:35:05,044 --> 01:35:06,578
and everyone would
have to grab a chair.
1930
01:35:06,612 --> 01:35:08,613
And there's one person
left standing.
1931
01:35:16,222 --> 01:35:18,173
What Miscavige
has warned them
1932
01:35:18,224 --> 01:35:21,426
is that the last person
who remains gets to stay.
1933
01:35:21,460 --> 01:35:22,794
"Everybody else,
you're expelled.
1934
01:35:22,812 --> 01:35:24,513
"You're going to be thrown out
of the Sea Org."
1935
01:35:24,564 --> 01:35:29,101
These people were fighting
to stay in the Hole.
1936
01:35:29,135 --> 01:35:32,137
Throwing people around,
scratching, kicking.
1937
01:35:32,155 --> 01:35:35,107
They're tearing chairs apart,
they're ripping clothing.
1938
01:35:35,141 --> 01:35:36,408
And whatever it took.
1939
01:35:42,365 --> 01:35:45,751
But then nothing happens.
1940
01:35:50,823 --> 01:35:54,092
"Out of the goodness
of my heart, you can stay.
1941
01:35:54,127 --> 01:35:56,294
"But you better come clean.
You better--
1942
01:35:56,328 --> 01:35:58,513
"I better have some good
confessions out of you."
1943
01:35:58,548 --> 01:36:02,184
I-- I mean, you--
you know...
1944
01:36:02,218 --> 01:36:05,387
as much as they get into everything
that you ever think or do,
1945
01:36:05,438 --> 01:36:07,939
they never got into my think
on this score,
1946
01:36:07,974 --> 01:36:10,358
that I would never
go to prison.
1947
01:36:10,393 --> 01:36:13,528
And so it was inevitable,
when I got-- when I--
1948
01:36:13,563 --> 01:36:16,114
he literally created
this prison camp.
1949
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:20,152
Um, it was inevitable that
I wasn't gonna last there.
1950
01:36:25,625 --> 01:36:28,410
It's embarrassing to have
ever been involved with,
1951
01:36:28,461 --> 01:36:29,995
to think about it.
1952
01:36:30,029 --> 01:36:32,080
"God, I can't even believe
I'm talkin' about it."
1953
01:36:32,131 --> 01:36:33,665
But it was bad.
1954
01:36:36,385 --> 01:36:38,737
- Let's say the FBI
- showed up at the Hole,
1955
01:36:38,771 --> 01:36:41,139
and said, "This is the FBI.
We're lettin' everyone out."
1956
01:36:41,174 --> 01:36:43,809
Do you think everyone would have said,
"Oh, thank God, the FBI's here"?
1957
01:36:43,843 --> 01:36:46,561
No. I think that everybody,
one for one,
1958
01:36:46,596 --> 01:36:48,680
would have gone,
"What do you mean?
1959
01:36:48,714 --> 01:36:50,899
"We-- we're doing this
voluntarily.
1960
01:36:50,933 --> 01:36:53,401
"We like living
in these conditions."
1961
01:36:53,436 --> 01:36:54,820
Over the past week,
1962
01:36:54,854 --> 01:36:56,605
we've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse
1963
01:36:56,656 --> 01:36:58,023
inside
the Church of Scientology.
1964
01:36:58,074 --> 01:37:00,158
We spoke with the ex-wives
of some of the men
1965
01:37:00,193 --> 01:37:01,610
making the claims of abuse.
1966
01:37:01,661 --> 01:37:03,328
I read all of your affidavits.
1967
01:37:03,362 --> 01:37:05,363
Obviously, your ex-husbands
have made charges
1968
01:37:05,397 --> 01:37:06,832
against David Miscavige,
1969
01:37:06,866 --> 01:37:09,584
saying that they have seen
repeated acts of physical violence
1970
01:37:09,619 --> 01:37:10,869
perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige.
1971
01:37:10,903 --> 01:37:13,004
Is-- Is any of that true?
1972
01:37:13,039 --> 01:37:15,540
No. No.
Not one ounce of it.
1973
01:37:15,574 --> 01:37:18,210
That's not the character
of Mr. David Miscavige.
1974
01:37:18,244 --> 01:37:21,546
My ex-wife,
Marty Rathbun's ex-wife,
1975
01:37:21,580 --> 01:37:25,267
Tom De Vocht's ex-wife,
that were on "Anderson Cooper,"
1976
01:37:25,351 --> 01:37:27,602
they all came out of the Hole!
1977
01:37:27,637 --> 01:37:30,188
They were all sent there
to do that.
1978
01:37:30,223 --> 01:37:32,440
They went back to the Hole!
1979
01:37:32,475 --> 01:37:34,226
It's just ridiculous.
1980
01:37:34,260 --> 01:37:36,728
This line
that my ex-wife said...
1981
01:37:36,762 --> 01:37:39,781
I lived with Mike Rinder
for over 35 years.
1982
01:37:39,815 --> 01:37:42,067
I know every square inch
of Mike Rinder's body.
1983
01:37:42,101 --> 01:37:44,903
She said it because she was
told to say it by Miscavige.
1984
01:37:44,937 --> 01:37:48,039
And the proof of that is,
when Tom De Vocht's ex-wife
1985
01:37:48,074 --> 01:37:51,910
then repeated the same thing
over again...
1986
01:37:51,944 --> 01:37:53,962
I know every inch of him.
1987
01:37:53,996 --> 01:37:55,747
You gotta be kidding me!
1988
01:37:55,781 --> 01:37:56,882
Everything that happens
1989
01:37:56,916 --> 01:37:58,750
from the Church of Scientology
is scripted.
1990
01:37:58,784 --> 01:38:00,802
Don't ever turn
the other cheek and acquiesce,
1991
01:38:00,837 --> 01:38:02,587
hit 'em back.
1992
01:38:02,621 --> 01:38:06,808
Marty Rathbun suddenly went and
leapt on top of Mike Rinder
1993
01:38:06,842 --> 01:38:08,593
and fought him to the ground
1994
01:38:08,627 --> 01:38:11,146
and started choking him
and beating him.
1995
01:38:11,180 --> 01:38:13,148
And nothing seems
to have been done about it.
1996
01:38:13,182 --> 01:38:15,066
Mr. Miscavige was not
at the property at the time.
1997
01:38:15,101 --> 01:38:16,568
Do you not have telephones?
1998
01:38:16,602 --> 01:38:18,103
Of course we have telephones.
1999
01:38:18,137 --> 01:38:20,438
I think you're being quite
rude and quite insulting.
2000
01:38:20,472 --> 01:38:22,640
Here's the bottom line.
Here's the bottom line--
2001
01:38:22,658 --> 01:38:25,193
there is no history
of violence in the church.
2002
01:38:25,244 --> 01:38:28,113
As somebody who ran PR
for the church for a long time,
2003
01:38:28,147 --> 01:38:31,750
do you have any regret for anything
that you did in that capacity?
2004
01:38:31,784 --> 01:38:34,202
Well,
I think the biggest regret
2005
01:38:34,253 --> 01:38:38,673
is when John Sweeney at
"Panorama" was doing his program,
2006
01:38:38,708 --> 01:38:41,042
it was the culmination
of a lot--
2007
01:38:41,093 --> 01:38:43,461
I mean, I'd been
in the Hole for a year.
2008
01:38:43,495 --> 01:38:46,548
And I ended up
being sent to England.
2009
01:38:46,599 --> 01:38:49,134
Hi, Mike. He was
constantly going,
2010
01:38:49,168 --> 01:38:52,637
"Well, why do you have private
investigators following me?"
2011
01:38:52,671 --> 01:38:54,773
I'm like...
That never happened!
2012
01:38:54,807 --> 01:38:56,341
Ever, ever happened!
2013
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:57,892
And of course there were.
2014
01:38:57,944 --> 01:38:59,694
I was following John Sweeney.
2015
01:38:59,729 --> 01:39:02,397
Oh, there it is.
2016
01:39:02,448 --> 01:39:05,367
Okay, there we are.
2017
01:39:05,401 --> 01:39:07,068
He's got his camera,
2018
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:08,870
he's standing there
and he's saying,
2019
01:39:08,904 --> 01:39:12,324
"I want a response.
I have credible witnesses.
2020
01:39:12,358 --> 01:39:16,628
"Did David Miscavige
physically assault you?"
2021
01:39:16,662 --> 01:39:17,879
And I said...
2022
01:39:17,913 --> 01:39:22,384
Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.
2023
01:39:22,468 --> 01:39:25,170
Absolute, utter rubbish.
2024
01:39:25,204 --> 01:39:27,055
You have been assaulted
by Miscavige?
2025
01:39:27,089 --> 01:39:29,474
Many times, many times.
2026
01:39:29,508 --> 01:39:32,510
Perhaps more
than anybody else.
2027
01:39:32,544 --> 01:39:36,731
I was now sort of
2028
01:39:36,766 --> 01:39:39,734
at the end of my rope.
2029
01:39:41,187 --> 01:39:44,522
It was a real moment
of clarity for me--
2030
01:39:44,556 --> 01:39:46,891
"I don't want
to be doing this anymore.
2031
01:39:46,909 --> 01:39:48,943
"This is nuts!"
2032
01:39:48,995 --> 01:39:53,665
That was actually the last thing
that I did before I left.
2033
01:40:03,742 --> 01:40:07,796
So I'd been in Scientology
about two and a half years.
2034
01:40:07,847 --> 01:40:10,048
I am kickin' ass.
2035
01:40:10,082 --> 01:40:13,685
I felt like I had gotten out
of the fuckin' trap.
2036
01:40:13,719 --> 01:40:16,388
I didn't have to
have a problem.
2037
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,723
I said,
"I'm done with auditing."
2038
01:40:18,757 --> 01:40:21,693
But they insisted
on gettin' me back,
2039
01:40:21,727 --> 01:40:24,446
and said just, "Believe us,
believe us, believe us."
2040
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:27,198
I got so fucked up.
2041
01:40:27,233 --> 01:40:30,101
I mean, they-- they--
I went insane.
2042
01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:33,154
I was, like,
stuck somewhere
2043
01:40:33,205 --> 01:40:35,957
in a tiny spot
behind my eyeballs,
2044
01:40:35,991 --> 01:40:38,827
looking this way.
2045
01:40:38,878 --> 01:40:42,330
I mean, I-- I'd never
experienced anything like it.
2046
01:40:42,381 --> 01:40:45,216
10 fuckin' years!
2047
01:40:46,135 --> 01:40:49,721
I was worse than the day
that I walked in.
2048
01:40:49,755 --> 01:40:52,557
It was by design,
'cause they needed to--
2049
01:40:52,591 --> 01:40:54,559
to keep me in there.
2050
01:40:54,593 --> 01:40:56,261
So basically, they had to
2051
01:40:56,295 --> 01:40:58,930
put a whole new case on me,
so they could run it.
2052
01:40:58,964 --> 01:41:02,484
And they just kept tryin'
to fuckin' keep me stuck in.
2053
01:41:02,518 --> 01:41:03,968
It was crazy!
2054
01:41:04,003 --> 01:41:09,107
So I finally said, "I'm going my way.
You guys go yours."
2055
01:41:09,141 --> 01:41:12,994
I was pissed. I was sad.
I was disillusioned.
2056
01:41:13,028 --> 01:41:16,247
And I thought, "Maybe
somebody could interview me,
2057
01:41:16,282 --> 01:41:18,983
"ask me some questions
about Scientology."
2058
01:41:19,001 --> 01:41:23,154
How I got into Scientology,
and why I got out.
2059
01:41:23,172 --> 01:41:24,956
Post this two-hour thing,
2060
01:41:24,990 --> 01:41:27,792
and it was the #1 thing
on YouTube for two days
2061
01:41:27,843 --> 01:41:29,827
before
it "mysteriously" disappeared.
2062
01:41:29,845 --> 01:41:31,045
The best traps--
2063
01:41:31,097 --> 01:41:33,631
you get a guy to just
keep himself in jail.
2064
01:41:33,665 --> 01:41:36,801
Right? And that's
what Scientology does.
2065
01:41:36,835 --> 01:41:39,304
I started getting
all this communication
2066
01:41:39,338 --> 01:41:40,939
because of that video.
2067
01:41:40,973 --> 01:41:44,008
You know,
"You saved my family."
2068
01:41:44,026 --> 01:41:45,977
You know, "You've--
I finally had the courage
2069
01:41:46,011 --> 01:41:48,179
"to leave
after I watched your thing."
2070
01:41:48,197 --> 01:41:52,817
You know? I mean, like,
there's blood and tears.
2071
01:41:52,869 --> 01:41:54,869
And then
I started to find out,
2072
01:41:54,904 --> 01:41:57,188
you know, all the stuff
that was really happening.
2073
01:41:57,206 --> 01:41:59,324
You know, I lost money,
I got fucked,
2074
01:41:59,358 --> 01:42:02,693
but then I found out about
the abuse in the Sea Org.
2075
01:42:02,711 --> 01:42:05,696
And I felt like, "Fuck me,
I gotta do somethin' about it."
2076
01:42:05,714 --> 01:42:08,466
And I finally
tracked down Marty Rathbun.
2077
01:42:08,501 --> 01:42:10,201
Everybody thought
he was dead.
2078
01:42:10,219 --> 01:42:12,670
He was in fuckin' Mexico.
And I went down there,
2079
01:42:12,704 --> 01:42:14,705
and I basically
convinced him to talk.
2080
01:42:14,723 --> 01:42:16,541
And, like,
"We gotta do somethin'."
2081
01:42:16,559 --> 01:42:18,176
And then he started his blog.
2082
01:42:22,214 --> 01:42:24,149
There was
a beating every day.
2083
01:42:24,183 --> 01:42:25,483
And if it wasn't him doin' it,
2084
01:42:25,518 --> 01:42:29,404
it was from him inciting others
to do it to others.
2085
01:42:29,438 --> 01:42:31,239
I think that it's a cult.
2086
01:42:31,273 --> 01:42:33,658
I'm doin' my own thing,
I want to get on with my life.
2087
01:42:33,692 --> 01:42:35,527
I am telling the truth.
2088
01:42:35,561 --> 01:42:37,779
Suddenly I heard
senior members of the church
2089
01:42:37,830 --> 01:42:39,397
were speaking out,
2090
01:42:39,415 --> 01:42:43,034
so I started to look,
and I started to read.
2091
01:42:43,068 --> 01:42:45,036
And then I started
to reach out to people.
2092
01:42:45,070 --> 01:42:48,206
Two of my daughters are gay,
and told me
2093
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,593
how they'd been treated within the church.
I didn't know.
2094
01:42:51,677 --> 01:42:54,429
Paul Haggis's daughters
were openly harassed
2095
01:42:54,513 --> 01:42:56,514
by church members
for being gay.
2096
01:42:56,549 --> 01:42:58,716
Investigating further,
Haggis discovered
2097
01:42:58,750 --> 01:43:01,853
that church doctrine viewed
homosexuality as a disease
2098
01:43:01,887 --> 01:43:04,522
that only Hubbard's teachings
could cure.
2099
01:43:04,557 --> 01:43:06,691
And a California
chapter of Scientology
2100
01:43:06,725 --> 01:43:09,861
had supported a ban
on gay marriage.
2101
01:43:09,895 --> 01:43:12,063
I can't be part
of an organization
2102
01:43:12,097 --> 01:43:15,366
that doesn't support
2103
01:43:15,401 --> 01:43:17,619
human rights for everyone.
2104
01:43:19,955 --> 01:43:23,291
So I sent a letter
to 25 friends in the church
2105
01:43:23,325 --> 01:43:25,043
that I was resigning.
2106
01:43:25,077 --> 01:43:27,495
And I'd hoped
they'd read this letter
2107
01:43:27,546 --> 01:43:31,916
and be horrified
by the things I'd found out.
2108
01:43:35,971 --> 01:43:38,423
A few days later,
I drive home.
2109
01:43:38,457 --> 01:43:40,675
There have to be 10 people
standing in my front yard.
2110
01:43:40,726 --> 01:43:43,061
I recognize them.
They're my friends.
2111
01:43:43,095 --> 01:43:45,963
They said, "Paul, we need
you to tear up this letter.
2112
01:43:45,981 --> 01:43:48,182
"And we need you to get all
the copies and tear them up,
2113
01:43:48,234 --> 01:43:50,151
"and resign quietly."
2114
01:43:50,185 --> 01:43:52,270
I said, "I don't do that."
You know?
2115
01:43:52,304 --> 01:43:53,804
"I'm sorry.
I don't do that."
2116
01:43:53,822 --> 01:43:56,574
I sent a copy
to Marty Rathbun.
2117
01:43:56,609 --> 01:43:59,193
He put it on his blog,
one page on a day,
2118
01:43:59,245 --> 01:44:02,363
and didn't reveal my name
until the Friday.
2119
01:44:02,414 --> 01:44:04,415
Monday morning, I woke up.
2120
01:44:04,450 --> 01:44:08,486
600 of the top newspapers
of the world had it.
2121
01:44:08,504 --> 01:44:10,672
You know,
it was in Bulgaria.
2122
01:44:10,706 --> 01:44:14,626
I mean, it was reprinted
in seven languages.
2123
01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:17,128
I went, "Oh my God,
what have I done?"
2124
01:44:17,162 --> 01:44:20,598
I mean-- it did garner
a lot of interest.
2125
01:44:20,633 --> 01:44:22,216
People will judge you,
one way or the other.
2126
01:44:22,268 --> 01:44:25,670
I figured people would
judge me as really stupid.
2127
01:44:25,688 --> 01:44:28,005
But then,
I was really stupid.
2128
01:44:28,023 --> 01:44:32,677
I was a part of this for 30
years before I spoke out.
2129
01:44:32,711 --> 01:44:36,364
I felt deeply ashamed.
2130
01:44:36,398 --> 01:44:40,318
Why didn't I do it earlier?
Why didn't I look earlier?
2131
01:44:43,238 --> 01:44:46,491
People are so indoctrinated,
2132
01:44:46,525 --> 01:44:49,994
and have been in Scientology
a really long, long time.
2133
01:44:50,028 --> 01:44:52,997
Or they've grown up in it, and
they don't know anything else.
2134
01:44:53,031 --> 01:44:58,002
It's so scary to them
to have to start all over,
2135
01:44:58,036 --> 01:45:00,538
and it takes
a really strong person
2136
01:45:00,556 --> 01:45:02,724
to stand up to them
and say no.
2137
01:45:04,393 --> 01:45:06,377
In 2009,
2138
01:45:06,395 --> 01:45:10,064
my son was on staff
at the church.
2139
01:45:10,099 --> 01:45:12,817
And "The Truth Rundown" came
out in the "St. Pete Times,"
2140
01:45:12,851 --> 01:45:15,386
exposing what was going on
2141
01:45:15,404 --> 01:45:19,407
with the beatings,
people in the Hole.
2142
01:45:19,441 --> 01:45:20,942
The church was very mad
at my son,
2143
01:45:20,993 --> 01:45:22,777
because he knew
it was going to happen,
2144
01:45:22,828 --> 01:45:24,696
and he didn't tell them.
2145
01:45:24,730 --> 01:45:27,332
And he didn't tell them
because he had a good friend
2146
01:45:27,366 --> 01:45:29,667
that became friends
with Mike Rinder
2147
01:45:29,702 --> 01:45:31,586
and Marty Rathbun,
2148
01:45:31,620 --> 01:45:34,956
and he believed what they were
saying in "The Truth Rundown."
2149
01:45:37,259 --> 01:45:39,377
The church was threatening,
2150
01:45:39,411 --> 01:45:42,213
that he was gonna get declared
a Suppressive Person
2151
01:45:42,247 --> 01:45:45,633
if he didn't disconnect
from his friend.
2152
01:45:45,684 --> 01:45:48,219
My son, he was raised
a Scientologist,
2153
01:45:48,253 --> 01:45:50,605
you know,
and he'd been on staff.
2154
01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:52,473
He made 30 bucks a week.
2155
01:45:52,524 --> 01:45:54,308
He headed up
their Boy Scout troop.
2156
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,062
He was like this consummate
youth of Scientology.
2157
01:45:58,096 --> 01:46:02,150
The continental justice chief
called him on the phone.
2158
01:46:02,201 --> 01:46:04,602
And it was after that
the declare came down,
2159
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:07,288
and he was just devastated.
2160
01:46:07,322 --> 01:46:11,209
The church told his friends
everything they could find
2161
01:46:11,243 --> 01:46:15,329
in his PC folder
to ruin his reputation.
2162
01:46:15,381 --> 01:46:18,082
I wrote this petition.
2163
01:46:18,116 --> 01:46:22,887
I tried to put in everything
good that my son had done.
2164
01:46:22,921 --> 01:46:24,472
"Dear Sarah,
Thank you for the letter
2165
01:46:24,506 --> 01:46:27,592
"that you sent regarding the
situation with Nick Lister.
2166
01:46:27,626 --> 01:46:32,630
"I cannot approve that you continue
your connection with Nick."
2167
01:46:32,648 --> 01:46:35,600
No one's gonna tell me when I
can and can't speak to him.
2168
01:46:35,634 --> 01:46:38,736
No one, but me.
2169
01:46:38,771 --> 01:46:41,906
"Your committee of evidence
findings and recommendations
2170
01:46:41,940 --> 01:46:44,742
"recommended you
be labeled suppressive,
2171
01:46:44,777 --> 01:46:47,528
"engaging in malicious
rumor mongering
2172
01:46:47,579 --> 01:46:51,165
"to destroy the authority
or repute of higher officers
2173
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,502
"or the leading names
of Scientology."
2174
01:46:54,536 --> 01:46:56,671
My husband
was charged with that one,
2175
01:46:56,705 --> 01:46:58,289
because he was telling me
2176
01:46:58,323 --> 01:47:01,325
what he read on the Internet
about David Miscavige.
2177
01:47:01,343 --> 01:47:03,711
They say, "Don't go on the
Internet, don't read.
2178
01:47:03,762 --> 01:47:05,129
"Don't go to these sites."
2179
01:47:05,163 --> 01:47:08,666
From the time
that I got in,
2180
01:47:08,684 --> 01:47:12,386
for 30 years, I never read one
critical thing about Scientology.
2181
01:47:12,438 --> 01:47:15,106
When I finally decided
to open my eyes and look,
2182
01:47:15,140 --> 01:47:17,391
I was shocked,
just shocked.
2183
01:47:17,443 --> 01:47:19,510
But if you're a member
of the Church of Scientology,
2184
01:47:19,528 --> 01:47:23,364
and someone in your family,
or a friend, or your spouse,
2185
01:47:23,398 --> 01:47:26,951
is skeptical or critical
of the Church of Scientology,
2186
01:47:26,985 --> 01:47:30,071
you are supposed to disconnect
yourself from that person...
2187
01:47:30,122 --> 01:47:33,708
Tommy Davis, who was the
spokesperson for the church,
2188
01:47:33,742 --> 01:47:37,745
he's being asked about
the policy of disconnection.
2189
01:47:37,796 --> 01:47:40,414
Anything that's characterized
as disconnection
2190
01:47:40,466 --> 01:47:42,583
or this kinda thing,
it's just-- it's just not true.
2191
01:47:42,634 --> 01:47:45,169
There isn't... I
confronted him about this.
2192
01:47:45,203 --> 01:47:48,222
And I said, "Tommy, I don't need
to search outside to ask for--
2193
01:47:48,257 --> 01:47:50,558
"to check research
and see if other--
2194
01:47:50,592 --> 01:47:52,760
"this has happened to other people.
This happened to my wife.
2195
01:47:52,811 --> 01:47:55,680
"You asked her and me
to disconnect from her parents
2196
01:47:55,714 --> 01:47:58,149
"because of something trivial
they did years ago."
2197
01:47:58,183 --> 01:48:00,151
My wife disconnected from me,
2198
01:48:00,185 --> 01:48:03,237
my daughter,
my son, my brother,
2199
01:48:03,272 --> 01:48:05,239
my sister, my mother,
2200
01:48:05,274 --> 01:48:07,074
all of my nieces
and nephews.
2201
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:09,577
And that is the only family
that I have.
2202
01:48:09,611 --> 01:48:11,746
You know, you label
these people suppressive
2203
01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:13,865
so that, you know,
everybody automatically--
2204
01:48:13,899 --> 01:48:16,200
they're discredited, and they
must disconnect from them.
2205
01:48:16,234 --> 01:48:18,669
And that's how you keep
people in a bubble.
2206
01:48:18,704 --> 01:48:21,172
And that's what they do.
I mean, my son was declared
2207
01:48:21,206 --> 01:48:22,623
because he wouldn't disconnect
from his friend.
2208
01:48:22,674 --> 01:48:24,675
I was declared,
and my husband was declared
2209
01:48:24,710 --> 01:48:26,627
because we wouldn't
disconnect from my son.
2210
01:48:26,678 --> 01:48:28,379
And now guess what happened?
2211
01:48:28,413 --> 01:48:32,216
Everyone connected to us
just scatters to the wind.
2212
01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:34,385
Through all of this time,
2213
01:48:34,419 --> 01:48:37,688
I have a daughter who's
very much into the church.
2214
01:48:37,723 --> 01:48:40,758
I have a granddaughter
2215
01:48:40,792 --> 01:48:44,228
who's the love of my life,
and who loves her nana.
2216
01:48:44,263 --> 01:48:47,098
I was planning on talking
to my daughter,
2217
01:48:47,132 --> 01:48:50,201
and trying to tell her
what was really happening.
2218
01:48:50,235 --> 01:48:53,754
She hugged me,
she told me she loved me.
2219
01:48:53,789 --> 01:48:56,841
She said, "I have to
disconnect from you."
2220
01:49:02,214 --> 01:49:05,349
So, um...
2221
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:14,892
I just was concentrating
on smelling her hair
2222
01:49:14,926 --> 01:49:17,695
and seeing the way she felt,
2223
01:49:17,729 --> 01:49:20,364
touching her skin
on my face.
2224
01:49:23,151 --> 01:49:26,037
That's the last time
I saw them.
2225
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:32,710
It really is the crux
2226
01:49:32,744 --> 01:49:36,831
of how controlling
is any religion
2227
01:49:36,882 --> 01:49:39,166
over its adherents,
2228
01:49:39,217 --> 01:49:42,086
and Scientology
has perfected
2229
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,473
a lot of
techniques of control.
2230
01:49:45,507 --> 01:49:49,126
There is
no logical explanation
2231
01:49:49,144 --> 01:49:52,763
as to why,
other than faith.
2232
01:49:52,814 --> 01:49:55,132
Your future, your eternity,
2233
01:49:55,150 --> 01:49:58,319
all depends on
you going up the Bridge.
2234
01:49:58,353 --> 01:50:02,356
It's scary. It's kinda like
Christianity with hell.
2235
01:50:02,407 --> 01:50:04,358
If they don't have the Bridge,
they can't go free.
2236
01:50:04,409 --> 01:50:08,312
They don't believe
they can get it anywhere else.
2237
01:50:08,330 --> 01:50:10,364
It's like brainwashing.
Really simple.
2238
01:50:10,415 --> 01:50:12,667
I mean,
that's a scary word,
2239
01:50:12,701 --> 01:50:15,586
and it took me a long time
2240
01:50:15,621 --> 01:50:18,673
to come to that conclusion,
that that's what's occurred.
2241
01:50:18,707 --> 01:50:21,175
You take on
2242
01:50:21,209 --> 01:50:24,662
a kind of a--
a matrix of thought
2243
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:29,183
that is not your own.
2244
01:50:29,217 --> 01:50:32,169
I think that's how I
and other people got involved
2245
01:50:32,187 --> 01:50:34,221
and stuck through it
for so long.
2246
01:50:34,272 --> 01:50:36,307
Because when you're out,
you look at it,
2247
01:50:36,341 --> 01:50:39,894
and you go, "What the crap
was I thinking," you know?
2248
01:50:39,945 --> 01:50:41,696
It's such a hard thing
when you do wake up.
2249
01:50:41,730 --> 01:50:43,614
You go, "Oh my God."
2250
01:50:43,649 --> 01:50:46,117
Because you have this wave
of regrets.
2251
01:50:46,151 --> 01:50:50,237
I just started to think
that maybe my entire life
2252
01:50:50,288 --> 01:50:52,156
has been a lie.
2253
01:50:52,190 --> 01:50:54,659
You just don't see it
happening to you.
2254
01:50:54,693 --> 01:50:57,662
You justify so much.
2255
01:50:57,696 --> 01:51:01,532
Cults, they prey on people,
suggesting that, you know,
2256
01:51:01,550 --> 01:51:03,467
you should be able
to think for yourself
2257
01:51:03,502 --> 01:51:07,254
and then tell you exactly how
you have to think, or get out.
2258
01:51:07,305 --> 01:51:10,925
And if you get out,
there will be consequences.
2259
01:51:10,976 --> 01:51:12,677
Come on, Marty.
Got anything to say?
2260
01:51:12,711 --> 01:51:14,595
What's your name? Why don't
you answer his question?
2261
01:51:14,646 --> 01:51:18,349
Beat it. I said get off
my property, boy.
2262
01:51:18,383 --> 01:51:21,268
The real sustained campaign
2263
01:51:21,319 --> 01:51:23,554
began in early 2009
2264
01:51:23,572 --> 01:51:27,274
when I spoke to
the "St. Petersburg Times."
2265
01:51:27,325 --> 01:51:30,494
And I'd been hounded
and hunted like wild prey.
2266
01:51:30,529 --> 01:51:34,331
It's a policy of
the Office of Special Affairs
2267
01:51:34,366 --> 01:51:36,250
authored by L. Ron Hubbard.
2268
01:51:36,284 --> 01:51:38,285
When somebody's speaking out
against Scientology,
2269
01:51:38,336 --> 01:51:40,904
investigate to find out
who the instigator is.
2270
01:51:40,922 --> 01:51:42,623
I started getting calls
from the church,
2271
01:51:42,674 --> 01:51:47,178
and they're-- they're really,
uh, comin' after me.
2272
01:51:47,212 --> 01:51:49,180
They showed up
at my mother's house.
2273
01:51:49,214 --> 01:51:51,098
The feeling in the pit
of your stomach
2274
01:51:51,133 --> 01:51:53,250
knowing that Scientology's
chief dirty-tricks PI
2275
01:51:53,268 --> 01:51:55,586
was just
on my mother's front step.
2276
01:51:55,604 --> 01:51:58,355
They've tried to destroy me,
there's no question.
2277
01:51:58,390 --> 01:52:00,641
They create
anonymous websites about me,
2278
01:52:00,692 --> 01:52:03,194
and smear me
with a lot of garbage.
2279
01:52:03,228 --> 01:52:05,613
www.whoisTomDevocht.com.
2280
01:52:05,647 --> 01:52:07,431
WhoisPaulHaggis.com.
2281
01:52:07,449 --> 01:52:09,817
"Paul Haggis,
the hypocrite of Hollywood."
2282
01:52:09,868 --> 01:52:13,537
"This guy is a sex pervert,"
or "This guy's a drug dealer."
2283
01:52:13,572 --> 01:52:15,289
In the meantime,
2284
01:52:15,323 --> 01:52:19,326
survey carefully to find out what
he most values and protects.
2285
01:52:19,377 --> 01:52:21,545
Immediately draw up
a three-prong program
2286
01:52:21,580 --> 01:52:24,281
to threaten it effectively.
2287
01:52:24,299 --> 01:52:28,636
I don't value anything
more than Monique.
2288
01:52:28,670 --> 01:52:32,640
That's why this campaign
ended up on our doorstep.
2289
01:52:32,674 --> 01:52:34,475
Was she there?
2290
01:52:34,509 --> 01:52:38,479
I knew they had
their goons around.
2291
01:52:38,513 --> 01:52:43,567
And then the guy rolls down in
window and I saw the truck.
2292
01:52:43,602 --> 01:52:45,936
And he starts filming,
and I go,
2293
01:52:45,970 --> 01:52:48,138
"Okay, this is not good."
2294
01:52:48,156 --> 01:52:49,640
What's goin' on?
2295
01:52:49,658 --> 01:52:51,525
Oh, we're just doing
a documentary.
2296
01:52:51,576 --> 01:52:52,777
A documentary?
2297
01:52:52,811 --> 01:52:55,029
Oh, a former
Scientology deal.
2298
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:57,198
But it would probably be a good
idea if y'all went ahead--
2299
01:52:57,249 --> 01:52:58,749
now that you've gotten
what you need,
2300
01:52:58,784 --> 01:53:00,334
go ahead and leave the area.
Sure.
2301
01:53:00,368 --> 01:53:02,086
Okay?
2302
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:03,320
I don't know
who these people are.
2303
01:53:03,338 --> 01:53:05,322
I don't know
what they're capable of.
2304
01:53:05,340 --> 01:53:08,659
And now that I have my son...
2305
01:53:08,677 --> 01:53:12,880
I have a little Louisville
Slugger I keep next to me.
2306
01:53:12,931 --> 01:53:17,301
It's been a nonstop onslaught,
for five years.
2307
01:53:17,352 --> 01:53:18,803
- I told you to leave.
- Get out of here.
2308
01:53:18,837 --> 01:53:20,354
Oh no, I'm leaving.
2309
01:53:20,388 --> 01:53:21,806
You can't even defend
yourself on this can you?
2310
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,340
What's your name?
2311
01:53:23,358 --> 01:53:24,809
I gave you my name, Marty.
What's your name?
2312
01:53:24,860 --> 01:53:26,527
Marty, I gave you my name.
2313
01:53:26,561 --> 01:53:29,647
The people on Marty's doorstep
were sent by Scientology
2314
01:53:29,681 --> 01:53:32,182
because the church
had branded Marty a "Squirrel,"
2315
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,702
a term invented by Hubbard
for former members
2316
01:53:34,736 --> 01:53:36,520
who threatened
church teachings.
2317
01:53:36,538 --> 01:53:38,188
David Miscavige had you
come all the way from...
2318
01:53:38,206 --> 01:53:39,490
Marty.
...San Jose.
2319
01:53:40,826 --> 01:53:42,326
- Marty!
- You can't do that.
2320
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:43,744
- You can't do that, Marty!
- I just did it.
2321
01:53:43,795 --> 01:53:44,862
No, that's my
personal property, Marty.
2322
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,714
Yeah, that's right.
2323
01:53:46,748 --> 01:53:48,549
I got arrested, man.
2324
01:53:48,583 --> 01:53:51,385
I got arrested for grabbing
this guy's glasses.
2325
01:53:51,419 --> 01:53:53,203
I said, "Don't look at her."
You understand that?
2326
01:53:53,221 --> 01:53:55,256
Yeah.
I heard her.
2327
01:53:55,307 --> 01:53:57,758
Of course, the guy had been
stalking Monique for two years.
2328
01:53:57,809 --> 01:54:00,010
He looks
like a leering pervert,
2329
01:54:00,044 --> 01:54:02,680
like Norman Bates
from "Psycho."
2330
01:54:02,714 --> 01:54:05,482
I didn't break his glasses.
2331
01:54:05,517 --> 01:54:09,320
I just removed them
from his-- from his face.
2332
01:54:13,408 --> 01:54:17,161
They got it all on videotape
from their surveillance house
2333
01:54:17,195 --> 01:54:20,080
that was filming 24/7, 365,
2334
01:54:20,115 --> 01:54:22,867
for five years,
across the street from us.
2335
01:54:28,273 --> 01:54:30,474
This lawsuit
with Monique Rathbun--
2336
01:54:30,508 --> 01:54:32,843
it's a brilliant
legal strategy.
2337
01:54:32,878 --> 01:54:34,912
If Marty sues,
the church just says,
2338
01:54:34,930 --> 01:54:36,297
"This is
a First Amendment fight.
2339
01:54:36,348 --> 01:54:37,765
"This should not be
in a court of law."
2340
01:54:37,799 --> 01:54:39,350
But Monique
was never in Scientology.
2341
01:54:39,384 --> 01:54:44,138
She's suing David Miscavige
and asking to depose him.
2342
01:54:44,189 --> 01:54:47,358
And Scientology will do anything
to keep him out of that situation.
2343
01:54:47,392 --> 01:54:49,109
And the point is, Judge,
2344
01:54:49,144 --> 01:54:51,312
if you let me
make my presentation,
2345
01:54:51,363 --> 01:54:53,197
on First Amendment law
2346
01:54:53,231 --> 01:54:55,766
that comes from the United
States Supreme Court...
2347
01:54:55,784 --> 01:54:57,568
For every court date,
2348
01:54:57,602 --> 01:55:00,404
the church hires a bevy
of high-priced lawyers.
2349
01:55:00,438 --> 01:55:03,407
They are determined to use
every legal trick in the book
2350
01:55:03,441 --> 01:55:05,659
to keep Miscavige
from having to testify
2351
01:55:05,710 --> 01:55:09,330
about church abuses or whether
the religion of Scientology
2352
01:55:09,381 --> 01:55:11,582
is actually operated
like a business,
2353
01:55:11,616 --> 01:55:15,502
controlled by the whims
of a single individual.
2354
01:55:17,422 --> 01:55:20,307
In 2014,
Miscavige celebrated
2355
01:55:20,342 --> 01:55:22,476
the ongoing expansion
of the church,
2356
01:55:22,510 --> 01:55:24,728
but he was hiding
a terrible secret.
2357
01:55:24,763 --> 01:55:26,296
Good evening!
2358
01:55:26,314 --> 01:55:28,349
The church's active
membership has dropped
2359
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,100
to fewer
than 50,000 people,
2360
01:55:30,134 --> 01:55:34,304
yet the financial value
of Scientology is soaring.
2361
01:55:34,322 --> 01:55:36,156
How about we just say,
2362
01:55:36,191 --> 01:55:41,195
2013 is the year
we went stratospheric?
2363
01:55:44,148 --> 01:55:46,200
The church
is making investments
2364
01:55:46,251 --> 01:55:48,202
and buying valuable real
estate all over the world.
2365
01:55:48,253 --> 01:55:52,172
That financial clout gives
Scientology enormous power.
2366
01:55:52,207 --> 01:55:54,491
It's a kind of
tax-free shell company
2367
01:55:54,509 --> 01:55:59,380
growing past $3 billion
in assets.
2368
01:56:06,504 --> 01:56:09,840
The church now
no longer has a public face.
2369
01:56:09,858 --> 01:56:12,142
There's no spokespeople,
2370
01:56:12,177 --> 01:56:14,311
they don't do
media interviews,
2371
01:56:14,346 --> 01:56:17,064
and that suits Miscavige.
2372
01:56:17,115 --> 01:56:19,316
There is nobody
that he is willing
2373
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:22,185
to have be the face of
Scientology other than himself,
2374
01:56:22,203 --> 01:56:25,706
but he's afraid to
be interviewed by anybody
2375
01:56:25,740 --> 01:56:28,409
for fear that they're
gonna ask him questions
2376
01:56:28,460 --> 01:56:30,828
that he can't answer,
or doesn't want to answer.
2377
01:56:32,697 --> 01:56:35,249
Where are the checks
and balances on his power?
2378
01:56:35,300 --> 01:56:36,583
There is none.
2379
01:56:36,634 --> 01:56:38,368
So there are two things
that could happen.
2380
01:56:38,386 --> 01:56:42,423
One is, the IRS would
reconsider its tax exemption.
2381
01:56:42,474 --> 01:56:46,760
The only other thing is that some
of these celebrity megaphones
2382
01:56:46,811 --> 01:56:49,013
could turn
against the church.
2383
01:56:49,047 --> 01:56:52,349
And Tom Cruise should
be leading that chorus.
2384
01:56:56,321 --> 01:56:59,323
Is there anything
that you look back on,
2385
01:56:59,357 --> 01:57:01,725
in terms of your own career
in the church,
2386
01:57:01,743 --> 01:57:04,561
and think, "Wow,
I wish I hadn't done that?"
2387
01:57:04,579 --> 01:57:07,748
You know, we talked
about karma earlier.
2388
01:57:07,782 --> 01:57:12,369
And, you know, it still happens
that it's like it's just this--
2389
01:57:12,403 --> 01:57:16,406
I constantly get presented
with who I was,
2390
01:57:16,424 --> 01:57:19,126
and, you know, and I constantly
don't like what I see,
2391
01:57:19,177 --> 01:57:21,712
and I sort of constantly
keep dying deaths.
2392
01:57:21,746 --> 01:57:23,630
Um, and--
2393
01:57:25,583 --> 01:57:27,751
I don't know how many
more deaths I have left,
2394
01:57:27,769 --> 01:57:30,587
but I-- but I--
2395
01:57:30,605 --> 01:57:33,524
but I regret
2396
01:57:33,558 --> 01:57:36,944
and I'm ashamed of, uh...
2397
01:57:38,363 --> 01:57:41,231
the entire experience,
you know?
2398
01:57:41,265 --> 01:57:43,450
What I take away from it
is that we--
2399
01:57:43,485 --> 01:57:46,403
we lock up a portion
of our own mind.
2400
01:57:46,437 --> 01:57:50,707
We-- We willingly
put cuffs on.
2401
01:57:50,742 --> 01:57:54,294
We willingly avoid things
2402
01:57:54,329 --> 01:57:57,297
that will--
could cause us pain,
2403
01:57:57,332 --> 01:58:00,084
if we just--
if we looked.
2404
01:58:00,135 --> 01:58:02,503
If we can just
believe something,
2405
01:58:02,554 --> 01:58:05,139
then we don't have to really
think for ourselves, do we?
2406
01:58:05,173 --> 01:58:08,625
And so I can't damn these
people who aren't coming out,
2407
01:58:08,643 --> 01:58:12,813
or who are hiding once they come
out because they're ashamed.
2408
01:58:12,847 --> 01:58:14,815
You know, I--
2409
01:58:14,849 --> 01:58:17,768
I-- I feel the same shame.
2410
01:58:17,802 --> 01:58:21,188
And I just--
I'm fighting back
2411
01:58:21,239 --> 01:58:25,609
by communicating, you know?
It's a peaceful protest.
2412
01:58:25,643 --> 01:58:29,530
I want the truth to be known,
2413
01:58:29,581 --> 01:58:31,532
and...
2414
01:58:33,368 --> 01:58:34,785
Thank you.
2415
01:58:34,819 --> 01:58:36,520
You're welcome.
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