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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,768 --> 00:00:19,936 We will begin the session now. 2 00:00:20,799 --> 00:00:23,524 You will remain aware of everything that goes on. 3 00:00:23,625 --> 00:00:24,792 Okay. 4 00:00:24,910 --> 00:00:27,090 We're going to find an incident in your life 5 00:00:27,197 --> 00:00:28,528 you have an exact record of. 6 00:00:28,629 --> 00:00:31,831 Then by sending you through it at the time it happened, 7 00:00:32,283 --> 00:00:34,132 we're going to reduce it. 8 00:00:34,417 --> 00:00:36,802 We will reduce the pain. 9 00:00:37,709 --> 00:00:39,769 Go to the beginning of that incident. 10 00:00:39,924 --> 00:00:41,683 Tell me what's happening. 11 00:00:41,790 --> 00:00:44,714 - Well, these things get all so... - I joined in 198... 12 00:00:44,905 --> 00:00:46,843 It was a bunch of young kids, like I was young... 13 00:00:46,928 --> 00:00:50,010 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 14 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:55,379 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 15 00:00:55,486 --> 00:00:58,575 - I think the first time I saw - Hubbard, and I was in awe... 16 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:00,660 We did, because you thought we were doing good. 17 00:01:00,777 --> 00:01:02,699 I mean, so you had some gratification. 18 00:01:02,806 --> 00:01:04,287 I felt a tremendous amount of relief. 19 00:01:04,531 --> 00:01:07,766 I got the answers for everything within the religion. 20 00:01:07,952 --> 00:01:10,196 What are you most afraid of? 21 00:01:10,303 --> 00:01:11,672 - It was dark. - 3:00 in the morning, 22 00:01:11,789 --> 00:01:13,405 there's a knock on the hotel-room door. 23 00:01:13,506 --> 00:01:15,374 Stop! I'll say whatever you want, 24 00:01:15,492 --> 00:01:16,877 I'll write up anything that you want. 25 00:01:16,994 --> 00:01:19,096 I flipped out. I started punching holes in the walls. 26 00:01:19,213 --> 00:01:21,347 Things didn't seem quite right. 27 00:01:21,465 --> 00:01:24,362 And you just feel so foolish at that point. 28 00:01:25,020 --> 00:01:27,794 Do you have a secret you're afraid I'll find out? 29 00:01:27,888 --> 00:01:29,501 Yes. Yes. 30 00:01:31,869 --> 00:01:33,626 Go to the beginning of that incident. 31 00:01:33,733 --> 00:01:35,458 Okay, all right. 32 00:01:36,179 --> 00:01:37,612 Tell me about it. 33 00:01:38,782 --> 00:01:40,713 I was 21 years old, 34 00:01:40,904 --> 00:01:43,313 living in London, Ontario, Canada. 35 00:01:43,538 --> 00:01:45,245 I wanted to be a documentary filmmaker. 36 00:01:45,573 --> 00:01:47,497 And someone had told me... 37 00:01:47,740 --> 00:01:51,251 about what they called, they said, "There's this cult... 38 00:01:51,703 --> 00:01:54,692 in New York called Scientology," 39 00:01:54,967 --> 00:01:55,950 which I'd never heard of. 40 00:01:56,763 --> 00:01:58,753 "And if you give them all your money, 41 00:01:59,039 --> 00:02:01,652 they'll make anything possible in your life." 42 00:02:02,705 --> 00:02:05,226 And about six months later, I was walking down the street. 43 00:02:05,666 --> 00:02:07,792 This guy was there selling books. 44 00:02:07,899 --> 00:02:09,914 And I realized they were all the same book... 45 00:02:10,555 --> 00:02:11,683 "Dianetics," 46 00:02:11,916 --> 00:02:13,996 which again, I had never heard of. 47 00:02:14,103 --> 00:02:17,363 He handed me one and asked me to look at it. 48 00:02:17,798 --> 00:02:19,533 He was talking. I wasn't really listening to him. 49 00:02:19,766 --> 00:02:21,500 I opened the cover and it said... 50 00:02:21,607 --> 00:02:24,572 stamped on the inside page, it said "Church of Scientology." 51 00:02:24,805 --> 00:02:26,913 And I said, "Take me there." 52 00:02:28,565 --> 00:02:30,658 - All right. - All right, here we go. 53 00:02:31,357 --> 00:02:33,521 I'm not a great multitasker. 54 00:02:34,089 --> 00:02:37,458 You know, and if I feel like doing something, that's what I do. 55 00:02:38,098 --> 00:02:41,459 And, uh... I was into this shit, 56 00:02:41,566 --> 00:02:43,742 and I was becoming an auditor, 57 00:02:43,849 --> 00:02:47,024 like, I was in Scientology probably four months, 58 00:02:47,473 --> 00:02:51,992 and I had done more than John Travolta had done, 59 00:02:52,099 --> 00:02:55,998 and he'd been there for 85 years or some shit. 60 00:02:56,391 --> 00:02:58,766 My agents called, you know, "You got an audition." 61 00:02:58,999 --> 00:03:01,435 "Eh, fuck it, I don't really... " You know what I mean? 62 00:03:01,542 --> 00:03:03,543 I was on... I'm on a spiritual adventure, 63 00:03:03,734 --> 00:03:06,275 and this was like, "Whoa, this is an interesting road." 64 00:03:06,424 --> 00:03:08,321 You know? 65 00:03:08,438 --> 00:03:12,394 So, uh, what was the question? 66 00:03:14,242 --> 00:03:17,872 So tell me, how was it you first got involved in Scientology? 67 00:03:18,364 --> 00:03:20,650 Well, I was introduced to it by some friends. 68 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,521 I don't know if they said it... 69 00:03:22,654 --> 00:03:25,803 or if it was just talked about by others that they had superpowers. 70 00:03:25,888 --> 00:03:28,808 And I... I was, like, really young, 71 00:03:28,925 --> 00:03:31,564 but I thought, "I'd like to have superpowers!" 72 00:03:31,671 --> 00:03:35,522 But also I had done so much... 73 00:03:35,765 --> 00:03:36,816 political-social work. 74 00:03:36,934 --> 00:03:40,848 So this really looked like... that it was a solution... 75 00:03:40,955 --> 00:03:42,489 to handling a lot of the world's problems. 76 00:03:42,606 --> 00:03:45,191 Instead of trying to handle things en masse, 77 00:03:45,325 --> 00:03:46,826 you could deal with it person by person, 78 00:03:46,943 --> 00:03:50,991 make each person better, and thus the world would get better and surer. 79 00:04:03,148 --> 00:04:04,732 Well, thank you very much, 80 00:04:04,839 --> 00:04:07,974 and welcome to our Whole New World. 81 00:04:08,081 --> 00:04:10,460 It's a world where the operative phrase reads... 82 00:04:10,567 --> 00:04:12,247 "Exceeding all expectations, 83 00:04:12,551 --> 00:04:14,356 transcending all parameters, 84 00:04:14,585 --> 00:04:17,678 extending the boundaries beyond any boundary, 85 00:04:17,869 --> 00:04:21,450 not to mention Godspeed, lightning speed, 86 00:04:21,683 --> 00:04:25,558 and a quantum leap in sheer rapidity of progress up the Bridge." 87 00:04:29,652 --> 00:04:33,791 We're out to make every life extraordinary. 88 00:04:34,285 --> 00:04:37,180 And if by chance it ever seems laborious or a sacrifice, 89 00:04:38,369 --> 00:04:41,692 then you are looking at the offramps instead of the highway. 90 00:04:42,165 --> 00:04:45,177 You are missing the signpost up ahead, 91 00:04:45,335 --> 00:04:49,939 the one that reads, "Next stop, infinity." 92 00:04:54,738 --> 00:04:57,554 Probably my favorite concept of Scientology... 93 00:04:57,661 --> 00:04:59,780 is a world without criminality, 94 00:05:00,013 --> 00:05:02,902 a world without war, and a world without insanity. 95 00:05:03,516 --> 00:05:06,532 And I know of no other group... 96 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,409 that their goals are that clear. 97 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:14,696 Look, I don't... you name me another philosophy, 98 00:05:14,830 --> 00:05:17,038 religion, or technology... 99 00:05:17,281 --> 00:05:21,669 that one of its main goals, besides the three I mentioned earlier, 100 00:05:21,787 --> 00:05:26,634 where joy is the operative concept. 101 00:05:30,337 --> 00:05:32,799 These are the times now, people. 102 00:05:32,906 --> 00:05:37,135 Okay? These are the times we will all remember. 103 00:05:37,662 --> 00:05:39,358 Were you there? 104 00:05:40,162 --> 00:05:41,501 What did you do? 105 00:05:42,307 --> 00:05:45,566 - So what do you say? Can we clean this place up? - Yeah! 106 00:05:46,227 --> 00:05:47,491 Okay. 107 00:05:48,537 --> 00:05:50,347 Because we're counting on you. 108 00:05:51,541 --> 00:05:52,536 Okay? 109 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:55,059 All right? To LRH! 110 00:05:56,935 --> 00:06:01,097 Hip-hip... Hooray! Hip-Hip... Hooray! Hip-Hip... Hooray! 111 00:06:04,881 --> 00:06:07,633 Scientology is such a subject of fascination for people. 112 00:06:08,437 --> 00:06:10,278 How did you get engaged in the story? 113 00:06:10,452 --> 00:06:12,495 Well, I've always been interested in religions... 114 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,390 and why people believe one idea rather than another. 115 00:06:18,164 --> 00:06:21,215 I've studied Jonestown, radical Islam. 116 00:06:21,322 --> 00:06:24,058 They're oftentimes good-hearted people... 117 00:06:24,165 --> 00:06:28,212 idealistic, but full of a kind of crushing certainty.. 118 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,055 that eliminates doubt. 119 00:06:31,418 --> 00:06:34,746 You know, my goal wasn't to write an expos�e. 120 00:06:35,077 --> 00:06:37,632 It was simply to understand Scientology, 121 00:06:37,739 --> 00:06:40,145 trying to understand what people get out of it. 122 00:06:40,247 --> 00:06:42,739 You know, why do they go into it in the first place? 123 00:06:43,716 --> 00:06:46,440 I was interested in intelligent and skeptical people... 124 00:06:46,547 --> 00:06:48,505 who are drawn into a belief system... 125 00:06:48,623 --> 00:06:50,675 and wind up acting on those beliefs 126 00:06:50,792 --> 00:06:53,294 in ways they never thought they would. 127 00:07:03,807 --> 00:07:05,355 The Church of Scientology turned out to be... 128 00:07:05,462 --> 00:07:07,424 two offices above a Woolworth's store. 129 00:07:08,177 --> 00:07:10,058 He asked me, "What's ruining your life?" 130 00:07:10,527 --> 00:07:12,138 I said, "Oh, I'm in love. 131 00:07:12,245 --> 00:07:13,864 I'm in love with this woman. It's impossible. 132 00:07:13,981 --> 00:07:15,649 I don't know what to do. I need some help." 133 00:07:16,289 --> 00:07:18,555 And he said, "We can help you with that." 134 00:07:18,662 --> 00:07:20,315 I said, "Really?" "Yes." 135 00:07:20,422 --> 00:07:22,939 And I ran home and got her, and I said, "We have to sign up for this. 136 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,792 "It sounds really good. It could save our relationship." 137 00:07:26,873 --> 00:07:29,858 So we both signed up the next day to do a course, 138 00:07:29,965 --> 00:07:31,853 which I think cost $50. 139 00:07:33,246 --> 00:07:35,338 The thing that absolutely got me and stayed with me forever... 140 00:07:35,537 --> 00:07:38,028 was the very first thing I read when you open the course pack, 141 00:07:38,135 --> 00:07:39,693 and it said... I'm paraphrasing... 142 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,704 "Don't believe any of this. If it works for you, great. 143 00:07:43,811 --> 00:07:45,276 If it doesn't, discard it." 144 00:07:46,062 --> 00:07:48,315 I was troubled by the fact that they called it a religion, 145 00:07:48,432 --> 00:07:50,967 but I figured, "Oh, it's some tax scam. It's fine with me. 146 00:07:51,068 --> 00:07:53,520 I don't really care about that as long as it works." 147 00:07:53,654 --> 00:07:57,742 The first exercise, after you do all this reading and stuff like that, 148 00:07:58,581 --> 00:08:01,297 is this thing called O-T-T-R-0, 149 00:08:02,059 --> 00:08:04,324 which is basically, you stand... you sit... 150 00:08:04,582 --> 00:08:06,986 just like this, eyes closed, 151 00:08:08,118 --> 00:08:11,120 three feet away from somebody who's doing the same thing, 152 00:08:11,236 --> 00:08:15,208 and you basically confront them. 153 00:08:16,710 --> 00:08:17,877 You know? 154 00:08:20,618 --> 00:08:22,923 And in Scientology lingo, 155 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,023 I went exterior. 156 00:08:25,130 --> 00:08:27,432 Exteriorizing is what they call it. 157 00:08:27,539 --> 00:08:29,142 You know, you leave your body. 158 00:08:30,225 --> 00:08:35,344 So it was a... transcendent experience for me... 159 00:08:36,269 --> 00:08:38,193 and that made me go, "Holy fucking shit. 160 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:39,982 This is... wow." 161 00:08:40,099 --> 00:08:43,186 I was reading books, going to lectures, and going to things... 162 00:08:43,287 --> 00:08:46,957 different events at the mission... at the local Santa Clara Mission. 163 00:08:47,471 --> 00:08:49,889 And then I knew I wanted to join the Sea Org 164 00:08:49,996 --> 00:08:52,107 and get really involved as soon as I could, 165 00:08:52,214 --> 00:08:53,882 which would be right out of high school. 166 00:08:54,165 --> 00:08:57,678 Sea Org is the most fraternal order of the organization. 167 00:08:57,995 --> 00:09:00,870 It's people who really, really believe in the cause... 168 00:09:00,970 --> 00:09:03,556 and sign a billion-year contract, 169 00:09:04,201 --> 00:09:07,310 which I did when I was... you know, as soon as I could. 170 00:09:07,669 --> 00:09:10,884 I left skid marks getting to that billion-year contract. 171 00:09:11,568 --> 00:09:13,460 You thought you were doing something good, 172 00:09:13,567 --> 00:09:16,991 to have a positive effect on all of mankind. 173 00:09:17,544 --> 00:09:18,555 That's what Howard says. 174 00:09:18,689 --> 00:09:21,324 Everything you do for endless trillions of years 175 00:09:21,442 --> 00:09:24,957 depends on what you do here and now within Scientology. 176 00:09:33,315 --> 00:09:35,190 I began to ask this question, 177 00:09:35,297 --> 00:09:38,549 "What is man?" And I found, oddly enough, 178 00:09:38,656 --> 00:09:40,516 that nobody could tell me what man was. 179 00:09:40,623 --> 00:09:43,729 What did he consist of? Where was he going? 180 00:09:43,836 --> 00:09:46,432 What was he doing? 181 00:09:46,549 --> 00:09:49,215 To really know life, you've got to be part of life. 182 00:09:49,322 --> 00:09:51,058 You must get down and look. 183 00:09:51,165 --> 00:09:54,881 You must get into the nooks and crannies of existence, 184 00:09:55,192 --> 00:09:58,150 the... you have to rub elbows... 185 00:09:58,257 --> 00:10:01,146 with all kinds and types of men... 186 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,700 before you can finally establish what he is. 187 00:10:03,817 --> 00:10:05,534 And you in fact did this? 188 00:10:05,652 --> 00:10:08,571 Yes, I've slept with bandits in Mongolia, 189 00:10:08,705 --> 00:10:12,502 and I've hunted with, uh, 190 00:10:12,793 --> 00:10:14,577 pygmies in the Philippines. 191 00:10:14,694 --> 00:10:20,586 Matter of fact, I've studied 21 different primitive races, 192 00:10:21,765 --> 00:10:23,506 including the white race. 193 00:10:26,258 --> 00:10:27,769 And my conclusions were... 194 00:10:27,876 --> 00:10:31,126 that man is a spiritual being... 195 00:10:31,227 --> 00:10:34,038 that was pulled down to the material, 196 00:10:35,486 --> 00:10:37,053 the fleshly interests, 197 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,016 to an interplay in life that was, in fact, 198 00:10:41,123 --> 00:10:43,323 too great for him to confront. 199 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:45,491 And I concluded, finally, 200 00:10:45,608 --> 00:10:47,527 that he needed a hand. 201 00:10:52,773 --> 00:10:54,111 To understand Scientology, 202 00:10:54,417 --> 00:10:56,839 you have to understand the life and mind of its inventor, 203 00:10:57,114 --> 00:10:58,504 L. Ron Hubbard. 204 00:10:59,370 --> 00:11:01,162 Hubbard was a prolific writer. 205 00:11:01,269 --> 00:11:03,459 He actually holds the "Guinness Book of World Records"... 206 00:11:03,576 --> 00:11:05,160 for the number of books published. 207 00:11:05,261 --> 00:11:06,962 More than 1,000. 208 00:11:07,649 --> 00:11:10,486 Hubbard got his start in the Depression writing pulp fiction, 209 00:11:10,632 --> 00:11:13,007 named for the cheap paper used. 210 00:11:13,470 --> 00:11:15,035 Writers were paid a penny a word, 211 00:11:15,142 --> 00:11:17,238 so hey had to write a lot to make money. 212 00:11:17,566 --> 00:11:21,144 Hubbard hammered away so fast on long rolls of butcher paper... 213 00:11:21,309 --> 00:11:24,207 that he used to drop sweat on his typewriter. 214 00:11:27,870 --> 00:11:30,174 Hubbard's career took off when he began to write for a magazine... 215 00:11:30,281 --> 00:11:32,738 called "Astounding Science Fiction." 216 00:11:32,872 --> 00:11:36,458 Along with authors like Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein, 217 00:11:36,577 --> 00:11:38,627 Hubbard wrote stories with a sense of mission... 218 00:11:39,410 --> 00:11:41,565 to get man to the stars. 219 00:11:45,852 --> 00:11:49,163 He found his true métier in science fiction. 220 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:53,175 And a lot of what Scientology is... 221 00:11:53,292 --> 00:11:57,418 he had previously written about in the form of his science fiction. 222 00:11:58,006 --> 00:12:00,994 He had the ability to fabricate these amazing tales, 223 00:12:01,343 --> 00:12:07,561 and he transported those imaginary stories into his theology. 224 00:12:14,923 --> 00:12:17,695 After Pearl Harbor, Hubbard took command of a sub chaser, 225 00:12:18,149 --> 00:12:20,974 but he was still a man prone to invention. 226 00:12:21,809 --> 00:12:24,010 He would write that he sunk two Japanese subs, 227 00:12:24,340 --> 00:12:26,727 but, in fact, just off the coast of Oregon, 228 00:12:26,834 --> 00:12:29,283 he opened fire on what turned out to be a log... 229 00:12:29,558 --> 00:12:31,457 and dropped most of his depth chargers 230 00:12:31,564 --> 00:12:34,516 on underwater magnetic rocks. 231 00:12:35,168 --> 00:12:37,033 When he accidentally shelled a Mexican island, 232 00:12:37,479 --> 00:12:40,271 he was relieved of his command. 233 00:12:42,314 --> 00:12:43,371 After the war, 234 00:12:43,478 --> 00:12:45,081 Hubbard ended up in Los Angeles... 235 00:12:45,188 --> 00:12:49,263 where he settled in with a small group of seekers and visionaries. 236 00:12:49,364 --> 00:12:52,317 A guy named Jack Parsons, a fascinating man, 237 00:12:52,452 --> 00:12:56,214 was one of the founders of the jet-propulsion laboratory. 238 00:12:56,792 --> 00:12:59,917 And there's actually a crater on the moon named after Jack. 239 00:13:00,024 --> 00:13:02,277 He was a significant scientific figure, 240 00:13:02,384 --> 00:13:06,653 but he was also the head honcho in this black magic cult. 241 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,525 It was called the O.T.O., 242 00:13:09,083 --> 00:13:11,101 or the Ordo Templi Orientis. 243 00:13:11,630 --> 00:13:14,816 They followed the teachings of Aleister Crowley, 244 00:13:15,262 --> 00:13:18,609 a famous sexual magic figure in England. 245 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:22,467 Parsons had a mansion in Pasadena. 246 00:13:22,907 --> 00:13:24,336 They would have ceremonies, 247 00:13:24,443 --> 00:13:28,776 and they were seeking some sort of goddess figure that he could impregnate... 248 00:13:28,883 --> 00:13:31,272 in order to create the Antichrist. 249 00:13:31,826 --> 00:13:35,770 Hubbard moved in and became Parsons' assistant. 250 00:13:37,488 --> 00:13:39,698 One night, this beautiful redhead, 251 00:13:39,815 --> 00:13:42,867 named Marjorie Cameron showed up at the door. 252 00:13:42,983 --> 00:13:46,068 She was perfectly willing to engage in this sexual ritual... 253 00:13:46,211 --> 00:13:49,756 in order, supposedly, to produce the Antichrist. 254 00:13:49,873 --> 00:13:51,960 She and Jack eventually got married. 255 00:13:52,094 --> 00:13:55,346 That happened after Hubbard ran off with Jack's girlfriend, 256 00:13:55,462 --> 00:13:57,214 Sara Northrup. 257 00:13:58,264 --> 00:14:00,969 Scientology and Hubbard would later refuse to acknowledge... 258 00:14:01,186 --> 00:14:02,935 his relationship with Sara. 259 00:14:03,010 --> 00:14:05,555 But we uncovered Sara's own recollections... 260 00:14:05,673 --> 00:14:07,725 of her time with Hubbard. 261 00:14:09,642 --> 00:14:12,159 He was 13 years older than I was. 262 00:14:12,444 --> 00:14:14,445 I thought he was a great war hero, 263 00:14:14,780 --> 00:14:18,098 a captain of a ship that had been downed in the Pacific. 264 00:14:18,367 --> 00:14:20,453 And he was weeks on a raft, 265 00:14:20,653 --> 00:14:22,311 and he'd been blinded by the sun, 266 00:14:22,554 --> 00:14:24,496 and his back had been broken. 267 00:14:24,740 --> 00:14:26,647 All these things were complete lies, 268 00:14:26,874 --> 00:14:29,043 but I didn't know it at the time. 269 00:14:29,161 --> 00:14:31,345 I believed every word of it. 270 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:34,799 If only Sara had seen Hubbard's military records. 271 00:14:34,916 --> 00:14:36,718 In a 900-page file, 272 00:14:36,835 --> 00:14:40,419 Hubbard's activities are laid out in extraordinary detail. 273 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:43,972 Hubbard told people that he had been blinded and crippled during the war... 274 00:14:44,332 --> 00:14:47,139 and the practices that would form the basis of Scientology 275 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,626 had cured him. 276 00:14:48,964 --> 00:14:50,903 But his records show that his only wounds 277 00:14:51,181 --> 00:14:54,116 were mild arthritis and conjunctivitis. 278 00:14:58,376 --> 00:14:59,592 We had this terrible fight, 279 00:15:00,147 --> 00:15:02,974 and he told me he was going to commit suicide 280 00:15:03,075 --> 00:15:04,810 if I didn't marry him. 281 00:15:04,868 --> 00:15:07,027 I really believed him, 282 00:15:07,077 --> 00:15:09,663 so we got married. 283 00:15:11,949 --> 00:15:15,605 We spent the winter in that lighthouse on the lake in the Poconos. 284 00:15:15,953 --> 00:15:17,630 I remember one awful night, 285 00:15:17,695 --> 00:15:20,291 when I was asleep and he was out typing... 286 00:15:20,576 --> 00:15:22,867 and he hit me across the side of the head 287 00:15:22,968 --> 00:15:24,334 with a .45... 288 00:15:24,535 --> 00:15:26,658 because I was smiling in my sleep... 289 00:15:26,996 --> 00:15:29,850 and he said I was thinking about somebody else. 290 00:15:30,177 --> 00:15:32,115 I got up and left the house, 291 00:15:32,419 --> 00:15:34,604 and walked on the ice of the lake. 292 00:15:35,232 --> 00:15:36,436 I was terrified. 293 00:15:36,682 --> 00:15:38,404 He always said that he would kill me... 294 00:15:38,557 --> 00:15:40,942 rather than let me leave him. 295 00:15:44,571 --> 00:15:46,386 The only good thing I got from Ron... 296 00:15:46,983 --> 00:15:49,034 was my baby. 297 00:15:54,741 --> 00:15:56,418 We moved to Elizabeth, New Jersey, 298 00:15:56,574 --> 00:15:58,859 and he started writing "Dianetics." 299 00:15:59,671 --> 00:16:00,593 The book was conceived 300 00:16:00,945 --> 00:16:03,363 and he started working on it in 1950. 301 00:16:04,232 --> 00:16:07,425 He said many times that the only way to make any real money 302 00:16:07,625 --> 00:16:09,337 was to have a religion. 303 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:12,750 That's essentially what he was trying to do with "Dianetics"... 304 00:16:13,485 --> 00:16:15,602 get a religion where he could have an income 305 00:16:16,057 --> 00:16:18,512 and the government wouldn't take it away from him... 306 00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:20,680 in the form of taxes. 307 00:16:24,735 --> 00:16:26,912 "Dianetics" was an immense success. 308 00:16:26,985 --> 00:16:29,668 From the moment it was published in 1950, 309 00:16:29,856 --> 00:16:33,101 it swept through America and other countries around the world. 310 00:16:34,109 --> 00:16:36,921 This book... that's the background of all of this. 311 00:16:36,950 --> 00:16:38,412 That's what started all the trouble. 312 00:16:39,413 --> 00:16:42,459 We expected this to sell about 6,000 copies, 313 00:16:42,614 --> 00:16:45,903 and it hit the top of the bestseller list of "The New York Times" 314 00:16:46,004 --> 00:16:48,494 and just stayed there, month in, month out. 315 00:16:48,673 --> 00:16:51,087 It was like I started an avalanche. 316 00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:53,737 "Dianeticas, The Modern Science of Mental Health" 317 00:16:53,845 --> 00:16:57,891 is considered to be the fundamental text, 318 00:16:57,932 --> 00:17:02,719 which is the foundation upon which all else is built. 319 00:17:04,370 --> 00:17:06,268 One of the theories of "Dianetics"... 320 00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:10,259 is to discover these things that are very traumatic 321 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:12,061 or have been very upsetting to you, 322 00:17:12,178 --> 00:17:15,063 and if you can observe... 323 00:17:15,180 --> 00:17:17,283 exactly what happened, 324 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,966 the power of that incident 325 00:17:20,117 --> 00:17:22,321 to influence you today... 326 00:17:22,456 --> 00:17:24,623 is removed. 327 00:17:25,859 --> 00:17:27,875 The concept of "Dianetics"... 328 00:17:27,993 --> 00:17:30,778 is that you have two sides of your mind. 329 00:17:30,995 --> 00:17:33,162 There is the analytical side, 330 00:17:33,287 --> 00:17:35,381 which is a perfect computer. 331 00:17:35,549 --> 00:17:38,129 It remembers everything. It's flawless. 332 00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:40,116 It never makes a mistake. 333 00:17:40,212 --> 00:17:42,788 And then there's a reactive side. 334 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:46,143 And this is where all your neuroses, anxieties, 335 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:47,428 and fears are stored. 336 00:17:47,544 --> 00:17:50,808 And where do they come from? They come from engrams. 337 00:17:50,898 --> 00:17:53,597 An engram is like a memory. 338 00:17:53,648 --> 00:17:55,601 A man has an automobile accident. 339 00:17:55,717 --> 00:17:57,351 He has a picture of an automobile accident. 340 00:17:57,486 --> 00:18:00,855 He has all the sensations of having been hurt in the automobile accident. 341 00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:02,315 It takes him a long time to recover... 342 00:18:02,339 --> 00:18:03,993 because he's still wearing the automobile accident. 343 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:06,569 If you said, "Hey, why don't you take this automobile accident 344 00:18:06,677 --> 00:18:07,694 and throw it away?" 345 00:18:07,718 --> 00:18:11,089 Well, all of a sudden, he recovers from the automobile accident, naturally, 346 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:13,581 because the thing that's keeping it impressed upon him 347 00:18:13,605 --> 00:18:15,912 and his body is his mind. 348 00:18:18,208 --> 00:18:20,839 An auditor is a practitioner in Scientology. 349 00:18:20,989 --> 00:18:23,768 He listens and he computes. 350 00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:25,841 We have a meter. 351 00:18:25,964 --> 00:18:28,383 A meter simply shows... 352 00:18:28,407 --> 00:18:30,772 where an individual is aberrated. 353 00:18:31,682 --> 00:18:33,887 The E-meter is a very powerful instrument. 354 00:18:34,469 --> 00:18:36,344 It's one-third of a lie detector. 355 00:18:36,424 --> 00:18:40,455 A lie detector would also measure your respiration and pulse. 356 00:18:41,294 --> 00:18:42,726 There's two cans... 357 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:44,636 and there's electrical wires... 358 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:46,937 carrying an undetectable amount of current... 359 00:18:46,961 --> 00:18:49,070 into a meter with a needle on it. 360 00:18:49,933 --> 00:18:51,713 According to the Church of Scientology, 361 00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:54,948 it actually detects the mass of your thoughts, 362 00:18:55,007 --> 00:18:57,473 although there's no evidence that thoughts have mass. 363 00:18:57,534 --> 00:19:00,113 The current passes through your body, 364 00:19:00,214 --> 00:19:03,912 and as your mental mass increases, 365 00:19:04,082 --> 00:19:07,398 so does the resistance to the circuit. 366 00:19:07,938 --> 00:19:10,661 So the auditor will ask you a question, 367 00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:13,390 "Tell me about an upset with your mother." 368 00:19:13,642 --> 00:19:15,344 "What's truly bothering you about being with, you know, 369 00:19:15,478 --> 00:19:17,480 with your wife's behavior? What is it?" 370 00:19:17,597 --> 00:19:19,131 "Why are you upset today?" 371 00:19:19,594 --> 00:19:21,234 "Well, I had a fight with my wife." 372 00:19:21,725 --> 00:19:22,803 "Well, I can see." 373 00:19:23,392 --> 00:19:24,717 "That there... was that the same thought?" 374 00:19:24,819 --> 00:19:26,381 "Say that again." 375 00:19:26,688 --> 00:19:30,154 And gradually, the needle will have less response. 376 00:19:30,356 --> 00:19:33,694 And in that manner, you discharge the emotion. 377 00:19:33,718 --> 00:19:36,651 Then you're asked to go back to earlier incidents... 378 00:19:37,081 --> 00:19:39,000 that were like that. 379 00:19:39,118 --> 00:19:41,318 And you might say, "Well, my mother spoke to me 380 00:19:41,419 --> 00:19:43,503 in the same scolding tone of voice." 381 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:45,705 And you recount that story, 382 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,823 and eventually you discharge the emotion. 383 00:19:49,092 --> 00:19:52,162 And that's very much like Freudian therapy. 384 00:19:52,263 --> 00:19:54,797 But with Scientology, 385 00:19:54,913 --> 00:19:57,111 then they'll ask further. 386 00:19:57,248 --> 00:19:59,589 "Well, that's as far back as I go." 387 00:20:00,142 --> 00:20:01,685 Well, maybe not. 388 00:20:02,012 --> 00:20:05,940 The auditor might say, "Something just registered on the meter. 389 00:20:06,057 --> 00:20:07,475 "What was that?" 390 00:20:07,592 --> 00:20:09,843 "I had an image in my mind." 391 00:20:09,944 --> 00:20:11,564 "Well, what was the image?" 392 00:20:11,698 --> 00:20:13,348 "It was a barn." 393 00:20:13,398 --> 00:20:15,745 "Are you inside the barn? Go back to that image. 394 00:20:15,933 --> 00:20:18,524 "Okay, open the door. What do you see?" 395 00:20:19,424 --> 00:20:22,786 "Well, it looks like 19th Century France." 396 00:20:25,042 --> 00:20:26,288 You walk outside... 397 00:20:26,457 --> 00:20:29,299 and you see the people dressed in their costumes, 398 00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:32,729 and the E-meter is saying this is real. 399 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:34,661 This is a real memory. 400 00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,561 It's just as real as those other memories that you had. 401 00:20:39,636 --> 00:20:42,589 Beautiful little soft needle, and everything's good. 402 00:20:42,724 --> 00:20:46,728 Needle's rising, which means he's getting, you know, 403 00:20:46,845 --> 00:20:49,597 thinking a lot. The needle just, like, goes "Pfft," 404 00:20:49,731 --> 00:20:51,683 like a lot of shit blows away. 405 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,602 The theta bop, which is a very quick little thing like, "doo doo doo," 406 00:20:55,736 --> 00:20:57,852 which means exteriorization. 407 00:20:59,489 --> 00:21:02,700 When you come out of an auditing session, 408 00:21:02,814 --> 00:21:05,611 you feel euphoric. 409 00:21:05,746 --> 00:21:09,394 That confessional nature makes you feel better. 410 00:21:09,418 --> 00:21:11,484 Somebody would say, "Oh, you're going to have a session." 411 00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:13,952 I would feel better just hearing that. 412 00:21:14,782 --> 00:21:16,465 Man is asleep. 413 00:21:17,171 --> 00:21:19,071 He is hypnotized. 414 00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:22,339 Now in Scientology, reverse the process, 415 00:21:22,628 --> 00:21:24,933 and you'll make him wake up. 416 00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:27,765 Such a man becomes un-brainwashed, you might say. 417 00:21:27,883 --> 00:21:29,516 He becomes unhypnotized. 418 00:21:29,634 --> 00:21:31,585 This sounds, Mr. Hubbard, in a sense, 419 00:21:31,686 --> 00:21:35,051 like an extension of psychology or psychiatry. 420 00:21:35,272 --> 00:21:38,775 Oh, no, psychiatry has to do with the insane, 421 00:21:38,892 --> 00:21:41,728 and we have nothing to do with the insane whatsoever. 422 00:21:41,783 --> 00:21:43,785 Is this is a form of psychoanalysis? 423 00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:46,116 No, psychoanalysis, they lay back and... 424 00:21:46,233 --> 00:21:49,700 Don't associate Scientology with such people. 425 00:21:49,818 --> 00:21:53,185 That's terrible. That's bad manners, you know? 426 00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:56,787 When L. Ron Hubbard first wrote "Dianetics," 427 00:21:56,909 --> 00:22:00,007 he thought it was a tremendous psychological breakthrough, 428 00:22:00,629 --> 00:22:03,027 so much so that he would be recognized. 429 00:22:03,858 --> 00:22:07,662 He wrote letters to the American Psychological Association. 430 00:22:08,086 --> 00:22:11,403 They couldn't make heads or tail of his ideas. 431 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,972 To them, it was like psychological folk art. 432 00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:17,352 For instance, he would talk about "clear." 433 00:22:17,645 --> 00:22:19,742 That means that the individual has... 434 00:22:20,114 --> 00:22:22,065 erased his reactive mind, 435 00:22:22,264 --> 00:22:24,684 his unconscious mind is gone... 436 00:22:24,818 --> 00:22:26,986 and he is totally alert 437 00:22:27,104 --> 00:22:28,987 and totally capable. 438 00:22:29,105 --> 00:22:32,184 Once you've taken away all these traumatic memories... 439 00:22:32,408 --> 00:22:34,658 from this life and previous ones, 440 00:22:34,808 --> 00:22:36,445 then you are clear. 441 00:22:36,562 --> 00:22:39,280 Someone who had a perfect memory, 442 00:22:39,397 --> 00:22:41,893 who was never ill. 443 00:22:42,074 --> 00:22:43,328 Your eyesight would be better. 444 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:46,119 We tested people before Scientology processing... 445 00:22:46,237 --> 00:22:47,953 and after Scientology processing, 446 00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:50,714 and uniformly found that their IQ had raised. 447 00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:52,526 We are making such individuals, 448 00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:56,464 we're making them regularly, and we're making them routinely. 449 00:22:58,548 --> 00:23:01,470 An overt act is an effort to individuate. 450 00:23:01,494 --> 00:23:03,836 It is a withhold of oneself... 451 00:23:04,137 --> 00:23:06,003 Ron gave lectures everywhere... 452 00:23:06,104 --> 00:23:10,024 for large amounts of money, and money just started pouring in. 453 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,298 I mean, these people were paying 454 00:23:12,429 --> 00:23:15,363 $500 apiece in the 1950s... 455 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,364 for training in "Dianetics." 456 00:23:17,481 --> 00:23:20,117 I felt that he was stealing from people 457 00:23:20,234 --> 00:23:22,370 and that he was hoodwinking them. 458 00:23:22,487 --> 00:23:25,373 All the business of sitting, holding hands, 459 00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:28,155 and putting all these false memories into people's minds. 460 00:23:28,792 --> 00:23:30,831 Then they would finally come along and say, 461 00:23:30,833 --> 00:23:34,047 "Oh, yes, I can remember it all." 462 00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:39,845 We were surrounded by sycophants. 463 00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:44,252 He began to believe that he was a savior and hero, 464 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,450 that he really was this God figure. 465 00:23:50,836 --> 00:23:52,814 He was absolutely convinced... 466 00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:56,519 that he had the cure for the psychological ills of mankind, 467 00:23:56,636 --> 00:24:00,220 and that the only reason that it wasn't being propagated far and wide 468 00:24:00,336 --> 00:24:04,497 was that the medical profession had a vested interest in keeping people sick. 469 00:24:05,475 --> 00:24:07,330 I think he was afraid that some psychiatrists... 470 00:24:07,478 --> 00:24:09,830 would pop him into an institution. 471 00:24:09,948 --> 00:24:13,948 He degenerated into a really paranoid, 472 00:24:13,955 --> 00:24:16,902 terrifying person. 473 00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:18,535 Sara threatened to leave Hubbard... 474 00:24:18,626 --> 00:24:20,338 unless he got psychiatric help. 475 00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:22,885 He responded by kidnapping their baby 476 00:24:23,257 --> 00:24:25,428 and taking her to Cuba. 477 00:24:25,545 --> 00:24:27,988 He was incapable of taking care of her, 478 00:24:28,131 --> 00:24:31,137 so he put her in the charge of a mother and daughter... 479 00:24:31,171 --> 00:24:33,300 who were both mentally retarded. 480 00:24:33,434 --> 00:24:35,685 And they apparently kept her in some kind of cage. 481 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,309 He called me and told me that he had killed her. 482 00:24:40,297 --> 00:24:42,076 He said he had cut her into little pieces... 483 00:24:42,124 --> 00:24:44,195 and dropped the pieces in a river, 484 00:24:44,312 --> 00:24:46,313 and it was my fault. 485 00:24:46,447 --> 00:24:49,067 Then he'd call me back and say that she was still alive. 486 00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:52,452 And this went on and on and on. 487 00:24:53,157 --> 00:24:55,156 When Hubbard came back to the U.S., 488 00:24:55,406 --> 00:24:57,471 Sara persuaded him to agree to a divorce... 489 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,909 and give her custody of their daughter. 490 00:25:00,026 --> 00:25:01,019 When I left him, 491 00:25:01,043 --> 00:25:03,103 he cleaned out all the joint bank accounts, 492 00:25:03,366 --> 00:25:05,593 so that I wouldn't have any money. 493 00:25:06,632 --> 00:25:09,667 Hubbard soon lost all his money, too. 494 00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,970 "Dianetics" proved to be a passing fad, like the hula hoop. 495 00:25:13,087 --> 00:25:15,727 But Hubbard still had his imagination. 496 00:25:15,757 --> 00:25:17,894 So he repackaged the ideas of "Dianetics"... 497 00:25:18,043 --> 00:25:20,511 into a religion called Scientology. 498 00:25:22,232 --> 00:25:24,520 Hubbard added more science and more structure. 499 00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:27,590 Along with the E-meters came a payment plan. 500 00:25:27,717 --> 00:25:30,178 Every step to "clear" had a price tag. 501 00:25:31,570 --> 00:25:33,659 How would you describe your business model? 502 00:25:34,023 --> 00:25:35,481 Rapacious. 503 00:25:37,117 --> 00:25:39,578 It's all about making money. 504 00:25:39,695 --> 00:25:42,567 Hubbard, from the beginning, knew that... 505 00:25:42,698 --> 00:25:46,016 people would pay for this counseling at a pretty good clip, 506 00:25:46,134 --> 00:25:50,067 and so he continued to come out with more and more levels. 507 00:25:50,259 --> 00:25:53,758 The real money was in paying for these higher and higher courses. 508 00:25:53,875 --> 00:25:55,240 They were getting into thousands of dollars. 509 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,290 Those prices kept going up and up. 510 00:25:58,002 --> 00:26:00,880 That's really where Scientology begins 511 00:26:01,014 --> 00:26:02,966 to create this indoctrination, 512 00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:04,834 is, "It's Hubbard that came up with that, 513 00:26:04,935 --> 00:26:07,084 only Hubbard, and you have to be a part of our group... 514 00:26:07,472 --> 00:26:10,680 to get that spiritual satisfaction you were looking for." 515 00:26:10,793 --> 00:26:12,386 The Hubbard College of Scientology, 516 00:26:12,398 --> 00:26:16,145 Qualifications Division, Department of Certifications and Awards 517 00:26:16,262 --> 00:26:18,848 does hereby certify that Anthony A. Phillips... 518 00:26:18,989 --> 00:26:21,316 has obtained the state of clear. 519 00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:26,244 As more members paid for Hubbard's Bridge to total freedom, 520 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,739 the church's coffers swelled with hundreds of millions of dollars. 521 00:26:29,988 --> 00:26:33,026 From the beginning, Hubbard tried to shelter that revenue... 522 00:26:33,127 --> 00:26:34,912 from any government taxes. 523 00:26:35,046 --> 00:26:36,998 The founding Church of Scientology 524 00:26:37,114 --> 00:26:40,364 attempted in 1967 to get a court determination... 525 00:26:40,374 --> 00:26:42,836 that it was exempt from federal taxation... 526 00:26:42,953 --> 00:26:46,370 on the basis that it was a nonprofit religious organization. 527 00:26:46,472 --> 00:26:49,559 A federal court denied the founding church tax exemption, 528 00:26:49,676 --> 00:26:54,032 saying that some of the church's earnings from 1955 to 1959... 529 00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:57,982 were used for the personal benefit of private individuals... 530 00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:00,384 L. Ron Hubbard and family. 531 00:27:00,485 --> 00:27:04,582 "ABC News" has repeatedly requested interviews with Mr. Hubbard. 532 00:27:04,638 --> 00:27:06,879 We have been told that he is unavailable. 533 00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:26,242 It was very exciting. 534 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,204 It was that heady mix of emotion and belief, 535 00:27:30,637 --> 00:27:33,848 and it's... you get stuck to it. 536 00:27:33,966 --> 00:27:37,591 It's so strong that it sticks you like glue, 537 00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:40,155 and there's no way you can get away from it. 538 00:27:41,305 --> 00:27:43,325 I was deeply convinced 539 00:27:43,443 --> 00:27:45,760 that we were going to save the world. 540 00:27:46,403 --> 00:27:47,751 I considered myself... 541 00:27:48,608 --> 00:27:51,781 tremendously fortunate to be in that position. 542 00:27:54,035 --> 00:27:56,069 Out of the blue one day, 543 00:27:56,285 --> 00:27:58,321 I received this envelope... 544 00:27:58,456 --> 00:28:01,775 with an invitation to join the Sea Project. 545 00:28:01,876 --> 00:28:04,060 It was completely confidential. 546 00:28:04,405 --> 00:28:06,390 I wasn't to tell anyone about it, 547 00:28:07,197 --> 00:28:10,890 and I was so ecstatic. 548 00:28:10,917 --> 00:28:13,187 Here was a chance to work with Hubbard. 549 00:28:13,752 --> 00:28:15,961 And I signed, "Yes!" 550 00:28:16,052 --> 00:28:20,291 I was on my way to the greatest adventure in my life. 551 00:28:21,141 --> 00:28:25,000 We had an overnight flight to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands, 552 00:28:25,703 --> 00:28:28,933 where we found, at about 6:00 in the morning, 553 00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:32,234 we were taxied down to a dock. 554 00:28:32,352 --> 00:28:34,987 We had to climb up this rickety ladder, 555 00:28:35,105 --> 00:28:37,273 all the way up to the ship, 556 00:28:37,391 --> 00:28:39,777 and we couldn't believe this was where we were going. 557 00:28:39,894 --> 00:28:43,114 This ship was a rusty hulk. 558 00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:46,787 I was given a dirty old jumpsuit to get into, 559 00:28:46,811 --> 00:28:50,393 missing one arm and the other one was almost half torn off, 560 00:28:50,536 --> 00:28:54,615 and put to work. We had to scrub the ship and clean out the ship, 561 00:28:54,739 --> 00:28:58,066 which was arduous, strenuous work, 562 00:28:58,209 --> 00:28:59,962 in the heat. 563 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,180 Hubbard came to the ship every day, 564 00:29:02,297 --> 00:29:05,434 smoking cigarettes and surveying his kingdom. 565 00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:08,743 After dinner, he'd come and join us... 566 00:29:09,103 --> 00:29:11,222 on the well deck. 567 00:29:11,356 --> 00:29:13,221 There he was, you know, right amongst us, 568 00:29:13,356 --> 00:29:15,308 talking to us. 569 00:29:15,425 --> 00:29:19,061 He would be his most magnificent self... 570 00:29:19,195 --> 00:29:21,448 at those times. 571 00:29:21,565 --> 00:29:25,017 He'd lean back, he'd look up at the cosmos, 572 00:29:25,351 --> 00:29:27,682 and he'd point out galaxies... 573 00:29:28,766 --> 00:29:30,435 and constellations, 574 00:29:30,459 --> 00:29:33,208 and he'd say, "The Fifth Invaders are up there, 575 00:29:33,325 --> 00:29:36,128 and this is how they dressed and this is how they talk. 576 00:29:36,246 --> 00:29:38,747 And see that blip across the sky over there?" 577 00:29:38,882 --> 00:29:42,699 He'd point it out, and we were all, "Yes, we see it, we see it." 578 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,052 He'd say, "And that's one of their space vessels..." 579 00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:48,232 And there was the Fourth Invader force was here. 580 00:29:48,763 --> 00:29:51,258 The Fifth Invader Force came in. 581 00:29:51,392 --> 00:29:55,528 And the name of this solar system is Space Station 33. 582 00:29:55,552 --> 00:29:57,416 The Fourth Invader force had been there... 583 00:29:57,805 --> 00:30:00,266 for God knows how many skillion years, 584 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,732 had been sitting down... 585 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,102 And we'd sit there, spellbound. 586 00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:07,440 You could hear a pin drop on that ship. 587 00:30:07,574 --> 00:30:12,160 He had us emotionally captured and held... 588 00:30:12,278 --> 00:30:15,746 right there in the palm of his hand where he wanted us. 589 00:30:15,863 --> 00:30:18,031 He had us right there. 590 00:30:20,083 --> 00:30:21,050 In the early '60s... 591 00:30:21,071 --> 00:30:24,370 Hubbard was under investigation in various countries. 592 00:30:24,487 --> 00:30:27,002 His solution was to take to the high seas. 593 00:30:27,121 --> 00:30:29,831 He made himself commodore of a fleet of three ships, 594 00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:31,787 a Scientology navy. 595 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,304 To crew the vessels, he created the Sea Organization. 596 00:30:37,017 --> 00:30:39,234 The members of this so-called Sea Org... 597 00:30:39,334 --> 00:30:41,636 would become the church's clergy. 598 00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:45,077 They began going from port to port in the Mediterranean, 599 00:30:45,307 --> 00:30:47,022 show up for a few days, 600 00:30:47,064 --> 00:30:49,651 and then go off, sail off in some other direction. 601 00:30:49,685 --> 00:30:54,120 And a very enterprising reporter for Grenada Television in Britain... 602 00:30:54,533 --> 00:30:55,767 tracked him down... 603 00:30:55,867 --> 00:30:57,534 Slate one, take one. 604 00:30:57,651 --> 00:30:59,467 That's one of the very few instances... 605 00:30:59,518 --> 00:31:02,573 where Hubbard has actually appeared on camera. 606 00:31:03,658 --> 00:31:07,256 What are you actually doing on this ship now? 607 00:31:07,795 --> 00:31:10,779 I am studying ancient civilizations, 608 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,040 trying to find what happened to them, 609 00:31:14,124 --> 00:31:16,752 finding out why they went... 610 00:31:16,869 --> 00:31:20,455 into a decline, why they died. 611 00:31:21,071 --> 00:31:24,084 Hubbard believed that he had lived various lives 612 00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:28,480 in the Mediterranean area as a Fenician prince, 613 00:31:28,598 --> 00:31:30,815 as an Italian prince. 614 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:32,367 As a matter of fact, it's quite interesting 615 00:31:32,398 --> 00:31:35,467 that exercises can be conducted, 616 00:31:35,568 --> 00:31:38,141 which demonstrate conclusively that there are memories... 617 00:31:38,228 --> 00:31:40,440 which exist prior to this life. 618 00:31:40,558 --> 00:31:43,910 He had buried treasure all around the coastline... 619 00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:48,497 and he wanted to go find all these caches of treasure. 620 00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:51,784 We were all very heated, very excited about this. 621 00:31:51,901 --> 00:31:54,832 Whatever was his whim, we did. 622 00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:57,218 We would have died for the old man. 623 00:31:58,257 --> 00:31:59,645 Don't you wake up sometimes... 624 00:31:59,926 --> 00:32:02,511 in the middle of the night and think to yourself, 625 00:32:02,577 --> 00:32:05,162 "Well, I've been on this ship with a whole lot 626 00:32:05,186 --> 00:32:07,194 of Scientologists who believe I'm fantastic." 627 00:32:07,307 --> 00:32:09,266 They don't believe I'm fantastic. 628 00:32:09,384 --> 00:32:14,021 If you saw the number of times they don't follow my orders... 629 00:32:15,189 --> 00:32:17,842 LRH started to devise... 630 00:32:17,943 --> 00:32:20,779 a system of penalties or punishments, 631 00:32:20,896 --> 00:32:22,395 or what he called ethics. 632 00:32:22,528 --> 00:32:24,965 And one of the penalties for the auditors... 633 00:32:25,095 --> 00:32:27,533 making mistakes in their auditing sessions... 634 00:32:27,652 --> 00:32:29,431 was to be tossed overboard. 635 00:32:29,576 --> 00:32:32,404 "You have done such and such and such and such, 636 00:32:32,538 --> 00:32:35,040 and we commit your errors to the deep." 637 00:32:35,157 --> 00:32:38,327 And then just pushed overboard. 638 00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,546 30 feet, 35 feet, 639 00:32:59,712 --> 00:33:02,552 Do you ever think that you might be quite mad? 640 00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:04,678 Oh, yes! 641 00:33:04,984 --> 00:33:08,034 The one man in the world who never believes he's mad... 642 00:33:08,059 --> 00:33:10,572 is the madman. 643 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:32,501 So we got married a year and a half after we joined 644 00:33:32,727 --> 00:33:35,268 and moved to California. I wanted to be a writer, 645 00:33:35,327 --> 00:33:37,779 and my wife, she was studying Scientology. 646 00:33:37,803 --> 00:33:40,149 We had a baby right away, and the only people 647 00:33:40,266 --> 00:33:42,252 we knew there were Scientologists. 648 00:33:42,369 --> 00:33:44,888 I was working as a furniture mover during the day... 649 00:33:45,005 --> 00:33:47,592 and writing spec scripts at night. 650 00:33:47,709 --> 00:33:50,496 Then on the weekends, I'd be, you know, doing some auditing. 651 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,886 Can you recall a time when you were happy? 652 00:33:51,985 --> 00:33:53,428 There was a social aspect to it too. 653 00:33:53,529 --> 00:33:54,896 You got to hang out with people. 654 00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:57,932 And there were some interesting people, nice people. 655 00:33:58,033 --> 00:34:00,777 These are all people who are looking to improve their life. 656 00:34:22,506 --> 00:34:24,655 While Hubbard was hiding from public view, 657 00:34:24,672 --> 00:34:27,960 he was very active in directing the operations of the church, 658 00:34:28,061 --> 00:34:30,095 particularly in Hollywood. 659 00:34:30,212 --> 00:34:32,803 This was just after the Haight-Ashbury era. 660 00:34:32,827 --> 00:34:35,002 And what Scientology was selling itself is, 661 00:34:35,383 --> 00:34:37,734 "Get high without drugs." 662 00:34:37,851 --> 00:34:40,895 It was a place where people went and explored ideas, 663 00:34:41,107 --> 00:34:43,198 and you would often see famous people... 664 00:34:43,943 --> 00:34:46,819 Leonard Cohen, members of the Grateful Dead, 665 00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:48,863 Rock Hudson. 666 00:34:48,997 --> 00:34:51,531 So they built the Celebrity Centre. 667 00:34:51,665 --> 00:34:55,085 The idea was to draw in these famous entertainers 668 00:34:55,251 --> 00:34:57,974 and use them as pitchmen for the religion. 669 00:34:58,870 --> 00:35:01,090 In an industry like Hollywood, 670 00:35:01,207 --> 00:35:04,794 where stardom is such... such an illusive quality, 671 00:35:04,912 --> 00:35:09,125 Scientology would offer a route to maybe feel a little bit more secure. 672 00:35:09,149 --> 00:35:11,966 And when you're trying to break in, you're also dealing with 673 00:35:12,084 --> 00:35:13,476 relentless rejection. 674 00:35:13,804 --> 00:35:15,603 And something that helps you stay focused 675 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,190 and feel that you're improving yourself 676 00:35:18,307 --> 00:35:21,763 and becoming more clear, you can see the appeal of that. 677 00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:26,586 The beliefs and practices that I have studied in Scientology... 678 00:35:26,697 --> 00:35:29,398 have been invaluable to me. 679 00:35:29,533 --> 00:35:31,484 Have you ever met Ron Hubbard? 680 00:35:31,618 --> 00:35:35,321 I'd love to. I'd be honored, because I think he's so brilliant. 681 00:35:39,044 --> 00:35:41,276 So when I worked at the Celebrity Centre, 682 00:35:41,444 --> 00:35:44,678 I would just, you know, recruit various people. 683 00:35:44,779 --> 00:35:48,020 Like Priscilla Presley and of course John Travolta. 684 00:35:48,664 --> 00:35:51,919 Johnny, he came, he started on course, 685 00:35:52,053 --> 00:35:54,506 and he was so fun and outrageous. 686 00:35:54,623 --> 00:35:57,775 And he just made a party wherever he was. 687 00:35:57,892 --> 00:36:00,020 John Travolta was a young actor 688 00:36:00,177 --> 00:36:02,035 in his very first movie. 689 00:36:03,481 --> 00:36:05,656 He was a troubled young man, 690 00:36:05,724 --> 00:36:07,234 and he was looking for help. 691 00:36:07,351 --> 00:36:11,272 A fellow actor gave him a little bit of Scientology counseling. 692 00:36:11,406 --> 00:36:13,074 She gave him a copy of "Dianetics," 693 00:36:13,189 --> 00:36:15,358 and he was transported by this. 694 00:36:15,475 --> 00:36:16,725 He would go out on his auditions, 695 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,501 and no matter what he went out for, he would get it. 696 00:36:21,027 --> 00:36:23,415 A Band-Aid commercial, right away he booked that. 697 00:36:23,532 --> 00:36:24,916 Now the Army starts you... 698 00:36:25,034 --> 00:36:26,451 He was booking everything, 699 00:36:26,585 --> 00:36:28,862 and then he went up for a series. 700 00:36:28,872 --> 00:36:30,502 Of course, he books it. 701 00:36:30,526 --> 00:36:32,764 And it's a big series, "Welcome Back, Kotter." 702 00:36:32,924 --> 00:36:34,592 Up your nose with a rubber hose! 703 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,597 In the late '70s and early '80s, 704 00:36:38,714 --> 00:36:42,283 John Travolta was Scientology's biggest star. 705 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,809 Spanky was assigned to be Travolta's key contact with the church... 706 00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:49,821 and she helped out with producers, fans, and the press. 707 00:36:49,939 --> 00:36:52,707 They became close, and when Spanky got married, 708 00:36:52,866 --> 00:36:54,695 Travolta was there. 709 00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:57,503 When Johnny first got into Scientology, 710 00:36:57,747 --> 00:36:59,781 he didn't even believe in himself that much. 711 00:36:59,899 --> 00:37:02,399 But he got injected with a lot of confidence, 712 00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:04,612 and then you get this phobia inducement 713 00:37:04,904 --> 00:37:07,907 that "If I leave, it's all going to go down the tubes." 714 00:37:08,282 --> 00:37:09,804 When you're in the organization, 715 00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:12,209 all the good that happens to you 716 00:37:12,326 --> 00:37:13,944 is because of Scientology, 717 00:37:14,045 --> 00:37:17,285 and everything that doesn't, that isn't good, is your fault. 718 00:37:18,634 --> 00:37:21,919 They sell it all in the beginning as something quite logical. 719 00:37:21,943 --> 00:37:23,551 Everything makes sense. 720 00:37:24,245 --> 00:37:26,890 And you're going up what they call the Bridge, 721 00:37:27,007 --> 00:37:29,010 you're dong this auditing, and this is good. 722 00:37:29,143 --> 00:37:31,310 And the next one, well, it's not quite as good. 723 00:37:31,346 --> 00:37:33,328 It didn't quite make sense to you, but... 724 00:37:34,214 --> 00:37:37,295 you know, you've already paid for the next one, so you'll do that one. 725 00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:41,802 The Bridge, it's a metaphor. 726 00:37:41,903 --> 00:37:44,305 You start here at the bottom of the Bridge... 727 00:37:44,406 --> 00:37:46,157 and then you go to the top, so where it is... 728 00:37:46,275 --> 00:37:48,328 it's an awareness scale. 729 00:37:49,086 --> 00:37:51,488 You start down here and you're not aware of anything, 730 00:37:51,729 --> 00:37:54,164 then you go up here and you're a lot more aware... 731 00:37:54,281 --> 00:37:56,833 of who you are, 732 00:37:56,951 --> 00:38:01,289 your spirituality, your relationship to others. 733 00:38:01,406 --> 00:38:04,458 A person is supposed to become more able... 734 00:38:04,576 --> 00:38:06,209 as they go up the Bridge. 735 00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:10,328 And then there are the OT levels... 736 00:38:10,429 --> 00:38:12,014 Operating Thetan. 737 00:38:12,132 --> 00:38:14,165 And a thetan is a spiritual being. 738 00:38:14,266 --> 00:38:16,542 That's the soul of the person. 739 00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:18,744 And what level, over time, did you achieve? 740 00:38:19,262 --> 00:38:22,006 OT eight. That's the highest there is. 741 00:38:22,107 --> 00:38:24,232 You can't get any higher than OT eight. 742 00:38:24,307 --> 00:38:26,361 From the beginning, you hear these stories 743 00:38:26,478 --> 00:38:29,198 people tell of these abilities they've been able to gain. 744 00:38:29,315 --> 00:38:32,709 It was always talked about, the people who were OT could read your mind, 745 00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:35,445 and they could move objects at will, 746 00:38:35,571 --> 00:38:39,490 and they could, they were cause over matter, energy, space, and time, 747 00:38:39,607 --> 00:38:42,080 so it sounded damn good to me. 748 00:38:42,282 --> 00:38:45,345 I mean, I thought, "Wow, this is great." 749 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,305 I finally get to OT three, 750 00:38:49,508 --> 00:38:51,167 and they give me the secret materials, 751 00:38:51,191 --> 00:38:52,359 which I've been hearing about all this time. 752 00:38:52,507 --> 00:38:54,804 They're handwritten by Hubbard. 753 00:38:54,921 --> 00:38:57,147 You have to keep them in a locked briefcase, 754 00:38:57,675 --> 00:38:59,474 be very cautious, because they always said, 755 00:38:59,592 --> 00:39:01,510 "If this gets out, it's dangerous to people. 756 00:39:01,627 --> 00:39:05,679 It could actually do them harm if they are not adequately prepared." 757 00:39:06,396 --> 00:39:08,297 And I read it. 758 00:39:09,877 --> 00:39:11,512 And... 759 00:39:11,802 --> 00:39:14,031 it doesn't make any sense. 760 00:39:14,055 --> 00:39:16,960 This gobbled story that didn't make sense. 761 00:39:16,992 --> 00:39:20,217 I remember for one fleeting second thinking, "Maybe it's an insanity test. 762 00:39:21,077 --> 00:39:22,843 "Maybe if you believe this, they kick you out. 763 00:39:22,863 --> 00:39:25,999 You know, maybe that's it." That, of course, is not the case. 764 00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:29,147 They talk about, you know, the fact that the earth was created 765 00:39:29,453 --> 00:39:31,706 in such-and-such trillions of years ago, 766 00:39:31,823 --> 00:39:34,684 and this guy... Space Guy... 767 00:39:34,816 --> 00:39:37,548 Galactic Overlord... this was a prison planet, 768 00:39:37,572 --> 00:39:40,511 and people being caught, captured, 769 00:39:40,629 --> 00:39:42,224 and being brought to planet Earth... 770 00:39:42,416 --> 00:39:45,820 and put them in volcanoes and blowing them up with A-bombs. 771 00:39:45,844 --> 00:39:47,435 Whoa! 772 00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:49,626 I studied geography in school. 773 00:39:49,694 --> 00:39:53,126 Those volcanoes didn't exist 75 million years ago. 774 00:39:53,231 --> 00:39:56,232 And we have these lost souls all over us... 775 00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:58,595 and we have to get rid of them, and I'm going, 776 00:39:58,696 --> 00:40:02,481 "What... the fuck are you talking about? 777 00:40:02,564 --> 00:40:05,217 "I mean, I'm down for the self-help stuff. 778 00:40:05,234 --> 00:40:06,651 I'm down for... okay, I can be clear. 779 00:40:06,785 --> 00:40:08,910 I can get rid of the negative emotions. 780 00:40:09,069 --> 00:40:10,439 But what the fuck is this?" 781 00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:16,661 When you get to the upper levels of Scientology, 782 00:40:16,663 --> 00:40:18,970 the creation myth is explained to you. 783 00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:23,124 The story is that 75 million years ago, 784 00:40:23,426 --> 00:40:25,787 people lived in a world very much like the world 785 00:40:25,888 --> 00:40:28,423 of America in the 1950s. 786 00:40:28,540 --> 00:40:30,642 People, at that particular time and space, 787 00:40:30,759 --> 00:40:33,122 were walking around in clothes which looked... 788 00:40:33,209 --> 00:40:36,845 very remarkably like the clothes they wear in this very minute. 789 00:40:36,979 --> 00:40:40,429 And the cars they drove looked exactly the same, 790 00:40:40,566 --> 00:40:43,981 and they walked down streets that looked like these streets. 791 00:40:44,155 --> 00:40:46,110 It was a very similar world... 792 00:40:46,346 --> 00:40:47,774 and similar problems, 793 00:40:47,891 --> 00:40:50,109 one of which was overpopulation. 794 00:40:50,243 --> 00:40:52,993 They had elected a fellow by the name of Xenu... 795 00:40:53,212 --> 00:40:55,014 to the supreme ruler. 796 00:40:55,038 --> 00:40:57,104 There was a tyrannical overlord... 797 00:40:57,128 --> 00:40:59,650 of the galactic confederacy named Xenu. 798 00:41:00,391 --> 00:41:03,522 In order to resolve this problem of overpopulation, 799 00:41:03,546 --> 00:41:05,036 he called people in, 800 00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,206 ostensibly for tax audits, 801 00:41:07,457 --> 00:41:12,691 and had them frozen with injections of glycol to their heart. 802 00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:15,770 Boxed them up in boxes, threw 'em into space planes... 803 00:41:15,794 --> 00:41:18,143 DC-8 airplane is the exact copy... 804 00:41:18,351 --> 00:41:21,220 of the space plane of that day. 805 00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:25,308 They were flown to the prison planet, Teegeeack. 806 00:41:25,425 --> 00:41:26,809 It's actually the planet Earth... 807 00:41:27,608 --> 00:41:31,667 and these frozen bodies were then dropped into volcanoes. 808 00:41:31,897 --> 00:41:33,826 And then they set off hydrogen bombs... 809 00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:35,976 on the top of each volcano. 810 00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:38,285 And their disembodied spirits, 811 00:41:38,403 --> 00:41:40,122 these are called thetans, 812 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,808 floated out, and they were captured... 813 00:41:43,207 --> 00:41:46,243 and forced to sit in front of movie screens. 814 00:41:46,377 --> 00:41:49,831 With a 3D, super colossal, motion picture. 815 00:41:49,948 --> 00:41:51,881 They were shown images... 816 00:41:51,998 --> 00:41:54,207 implants, as Hubbard would have it. 817 00:41:54,231 --> 00:41:55,718 Every man is shown crucified, 818 00:41:55,877 --> 00:41:58,170 so is the psychiatrist shown crucified. 819 00:41:58,671 --> 00:42:00,305 And that's how he gets away with what he gets away with. 820 00:42:01,022 --> 00:42:02,553 He electric-shocks people. 821 00:42:03,644 --> 00:42:06,378 And when a child is born, 822 00:42:06,479 --> 00:42:09,764 a thetan will leap inside the child's body 823 00:42:09,898 --> 00:42:13,217 at that very instant, and it becomes like the child's soul. 824 00:42:13,319 --> 00:42:16,571 More than one thetan might crowd into the body... 825 00:42:16,688 --> 00:42:19,391 hundreds, or thousands, might. 826 00:42:19,492 --> 00:42:21,442 They're the source of all of our neurosis, 827 00:42:21,577 --> 00:42:22,992 fears, and anxieties. 828 00:42:25,111 --> 00:42:27,061 Then you are on the E-meter, 829 00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:28,446 by yourself, now. 830 00:42:28,581 --> 00:42:29,916 You're soloing. 831 00:42:30,414 --> 00:42:33,220 You're supposed to scan, mentally, 832 00:42:33,454 --> 00:42:35,404 from your top of your head to your toes, 833 00:42:35,873 --> 00:42:39,909 to see if you can locate any alien beings. 834 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,417 And when you do, you tell them to go away. 835 00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:46,849 I kept on trying to audit. 836 00:42:47,017 --> 00:42:51,288 I could not figure out how I could have 837 00:42:51,387 --> 00:42:54,957 all these spirits of dead people attached to me, 838 00:42:54,981 --> 00:42:56,453 inside me, on me. 839 00:42:56,475 --> 00:42:58,218 I was clear. 840 00:42:58,526 --> 00:43:00,978 For God's sake, I was clear. 841 00:43:01,111 --> 00:43:03,147 People actually have breakdowns, 842 00:43:03,281 --> 00:43:04,188 you know, nervous breakdowns, 843 00:43:04,355 --> 00:43:07,338 because they spend so much time thinking... 844 00:43:07,362 --> 00:43:10,018 about being infested by these creatures. 845 00:43:10,885 --> 00:43:14,407 If you're really believing that, it can drive you crazy. 846 00:43:26,735 --> 00:43:28,423 Those years of introspection... 847 00:43:28,586 --> 00:43:32,256 eventually led me to sincerely considering... 848 00:43:32,373 --> 00:43:34,957 that I was so bad, 849 00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:40,538 that I couldn't confront how bad I was. 850 00:43:40,715 --> 00:43:43,183 I didn't know it at the time, 851 00:43:43,317 --> 00:43:46,566 but a depression set in that was with me for years, 852 00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:49,652 and the worst thing was that... 853 00:43:49,676 --> 00:43:53,691 LRH kept ordering me to more auditing. 854 00:43:54,544 --> 00:43:57,177 I had to find swords that were stuck in me, 855 00:43:57,438 --> 00:43:59,414 hypothetical swords, 856 00:43:59,531 --> 00:44:03,148 imaginary swords that were causing all this pain. 857 00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:05,589 This auditing went on and on. 858 00:44:05,706 --> 00:44:07,371 It wasn't doing any good. 859 00:44:07,506 --> 00:44:09,823 I should have been left alone. 860 00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:13,354 But everything that I took offense with, 861 00:44:13,378 --> 00:44:16,421 I rationalized almost immediately. 862 00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:17,326 I had to. 863 00:44:17,554 --> 00:44:21,635 I could not continue in this game of Scientology 864 00:44:21,751 --> 00:44:25,821 without explaining away what he was doing. 865 00:44:26,853 --> 00:44:30,209 It got to be a way of believing, 866 00:44:30,393 --> 00:44:35,319 and every one of us got into that. 867 00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:38,455 It was part of the mind control. 868 00:44:38,985 --> 00:44:42,237 It was part of the cultic manipulation. 869 00:44:42,371 --> 00:44:45,572 He was the master who did it to us, 870 00:44:45,707 --> 00:44:49,364 and we took it on and then we did it to ourselves. 871 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,411 And I learned from it, 872 00:44:52,579 --> 00:44:54,674 that I would never ever again, 873 00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:58,334 you know, go... do the bidding of a tyrant. 874 00:45:09,588 --> 00:45:11,519 Hubbard questioned his own sanity... 875 00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:15,018 and actually wrote a letter to the Veteran's Administration 876 00:45:15,134 --> 00:45:16,886 asking for psychiatric help... 877 00:45:16,987 --> 00:45:20,322 that he seems never to have been given. 878 00:45:20,439 --> 00:45:24,365 I think that his whole creation of Scientology... 879 00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:26,727 really was a form of self-therapy. 880 00:45:27,481 --> 00:45:30,327 If he were just a fraud, then at some point, 881 00:45:30,351 --> 00:45:31,896 he would have taken the money and run, 882 00:45:31,984 --> 00:45:33,094 but he never did that. 883 00:45:33,166 --> 00:45:36,088 He spent much of his day on the E-meter, 884 00:45:36,205 --> 00:45:40,299 trying to understand what was going on inside his own mind. 885 00:45:41,706 --> 00:45:43,710 Hubbard became increasingly paranoid... 886 00:45:43,827 --> 00:45:46,245 that a powerful thetan had infected his body 887 00:45:46,771 --> 00:45:50,250 and that regular auditing wasn't strong enough to make it leave. 888 00:45:50,891 --> 00:45:52,719 When Larry Wright was researching his book, 889 00:45:52,836 --> 00:45:55,642 he videotaped an interview with a Scientologist 890 00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:58,979 who was asked to help Hubbard expel the thetan. 891 00:45:59,003 --> 00:46:01,270 He was having, uh, problems... 892 00:46:01,343 --> 00:46:04,312 getting rid of a BT, body thetan... 893 00:46:04,446 --> 00:46:07,031 so he wanted me to build a machine, 894 00:46:07,149 --> 00:46:09,566 and basically blow the thetan away, 895 00:46:09,699 --> 00:46:10,984 just get him out of there. 896 00:46:11,118 --> 00:46:13,621 Blow him out. And also kill the body. 897 00:46:16,425 --> 00:46:17,941 - Basically, yeah. - Yeah. 898 00:46:19,492 --> 00:46:21,109 But I didn't want to kill him. 899 00:46:21,227 --> 00:46:23,013 I just wanted to scare him. 900 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:27,134 So I had read some books about Nikola Tesla and stuff, 901 00:46:27,251 --> 00:46:29,643 and I figured maybe buildin' a Tesla coil 902 00:46:29,667 --> 00:46:31,958 would probably be the best route to go. 903 00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:37,223 I had little electrodes that you hook it up to the E-meter, 904 00:46:37,265 --> 00:46:38,592 so when he's on the cans, 905 00:46:38,727 --> 00:46:40,569 then, uh, he would just flip the button, 906 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:42,429 and it would do its thing. 907 00:46:46,899 --> 00:46:49,635 As far as I know. He blew up my E-meter. 908 00:46:50,229 --> 00:46:51,628 Burned it up. 909 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,427 Scientology really is a journey... 910 00:46:56,776 --> 00:46:59,113 into the mind of L. Ron Hubbard. 911 00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:02,331 And the further you get into it, 912 00:47:02,449 --> 00:47:05,667 the more like L. Ron Hubbard you become. 913 00:47:13,234 --> 00:47:14,963 Thank you. 914 00:47:16,698 --> 00:47:20,867 In 1980, LRH moved off the lines, 915 00:47:22,508 --> 00:47:24,046 so that he could continue his writings... 916 00:47:24,386 --> 00:47:27,472 and researches without any distractions. 917 00:47:32,364 --> 00:47:34,917 He has now moved on to his next OT... 918 00:47:35,195 --> 00:47:37,182 level of OT research. 919 00:47:37,731 --> 00:47:40,839 This level is beyond anything any one of us ever imagined. 920 00:47:41,687 --> 00:47:43,400 This level is in fact done 921 00:47:43,937 --> 00:47:45,661 in an exterior state, 922 00:47:46,789 --> 00:47:50,386 meaning that it is done completely exterior from the body. 923 00:47:51,675 --> 00:47:53,350 At this level of OT, 924 00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:56,143 the body is nothing more than an impediment... 925 00:47:57,413 --> 00:48:01,011 and encumbrance to any further gain as an OT. 926 00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:03,934 Thus... 927 00:48:06,219 --> 00:48:08,996 thus, at 2000 hours, 928 00:48:09,445 --> 00:48:13,922 Friday, the 24th of January, A.D. 36, 929 00:48:14,515 --> 00:48:16,319 L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body... 930 00:48:16,567 --> 00:48:19,273 he had used in this lifetime for 74 years, 931 00:48:19,818 --> 00:48:22,714 10 months, and 11 days. 932 00:48:22,855 --> 00:48:25,024 Although you may feel grief, 933 00:48:25,141 --> 00:48:29,550 understand that he did not, and does not now. 934 00:48:32,628 --> 00:48:35,171 Hubbard died of a stroke in 1986, 935 00:48:35,501 --> 00:48:38,088 but he left no plan for succession. 936 00:48:38,454 --> 00:48:41,087 The ambitious David Miscavige stepped forward, 937 00:48:41,414 --> 00:48:43,907 and by bending arms and making deals, 938 00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:45,575 took control of the church... 939 00:48:45,676 --> 00:48:48,387 and installed a new generation of lieutenants. 940 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:50,214 We want to make sure... 941 00:48:50,331 --> 00:48:53,718 that all of us end cycle on this completely, 942 00:48:53,852 --> 00:48:56,885 so we can get on with the job... 943 00:48:57,002 --> 00:48:58,754 that is ahead of us. 944 00:48:58,855 --> 00:49:02,474 The first time I met Miscavige was in '83... 945 00:49:02,608 --> 00:49:05,149 he was a guy running back and forth between Hubbard... 946 00:49:05,953 --> 00:49:08,144 and the property in Hemet in a van... 947 00:49:08,168 --> 00:49:11,149 back and forth, delivering messages. 948 00:49:11,283 --> 00:49:13,758 Worked my way through the organization. 949 00:49:13,901 --> 00:49:16,461 Miscavige would come down to Florida, 950 00:49:16,485 --> 00:49:18,085 where I was running the place... 951 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,243 and we slowly but surely became friends. 952 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,478 By 2001, I was working directly for Miscavige. 953 00:49:25,494 --> 00:49:27,775 We'd sit and drink a bottle of Scotch, 954 00:49:27,799 --> 00:49:29,815 and I'd hear everything he had to say about the church, 955 00:49:29,933 --> 00:49:32,518 and about the people involved, from his perspective. 956 00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:35,806 And honestly, it was... it was, uh, horrifying. It was scary. 957 00:49:36,905 --> 00:49:38,618 In Scientology, there was a concept... 958 00:49:38,642 --> 00:49:41,625 that 98% of the people are good and 2% are evil. 959 00:49:41,726 --> 00:49:44,287 Well, he worked very hard to convince me... 960 00:49:44,379 --> 00:49:45,898 that it was the other way around. 961 00:49:46,015 --> 00:49:49,184 2.5% were okay and the rest were very evil and bad. 962 00:49:49,318 --> 00:49:53,013 And somehow, they'd all been dumped on that base, 963 00:49:53,037 --> 00:49:54,325 so they could be around him. 964 00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:56,271 He was... he was extremely paranoid. 965 00:49:57,132 --> 00:50:00,006 So, Marty, is Miscavige a true believer? 966 00:50:01,357 --> 00:50:04,134 Uh, yes. 967 00:50:05,747 --> 00:50:07,655 He has to continue to believe, 968 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,271 because if he looks at it rationally... 969 00:50:09,295 --> 00:50:11,299 and he sees that it is as I say, 970 00:50:11,637 --> 00:50:13,245 it will destroy him. 971 00:50:13,407 --> 00:50:15,507 You know, he'll just realize that... 972 00:50:15,625 --> 00:50:19,044 because he's done a lot worse than I've done. 973 00:50:19,178 --> 00:50:21,930 He's abused people on a personal level, 974 00:50:22,046 --> 00:50:26,057 um, as a... as a... That's how he got to the top, 975 00:50:26,652 --> 00:50:28,377 and that's how he stayed at the top. 976 00:50:29,703 --> 00:50:31,526 At the age of 11, 977 00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:34,558 David Miscavige joined the church with his parents. 978 00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:37,561 As a child, his ambition caught Hubbard's eye. 979 00:50:37,695 --> 00:50:39,651 So when Hubbard wanted to become a filmmaker, 980 00:50:39,931 --> 00:50:42,203 Miscavige was his assistant cameraman. 981 00:50:42,766 --> 00:50:44,322 An auditing prodigy, 982 00:50:44,402 --> 00:50:47,067 he claimed Scientology cured his asthma. 983 00:50:47,678 --> 00:50:50,459 He became a sort of general contractor for the church, 984 00:50:50,656 --> 00:50:52,638 and was soon named action chief, 985 00:50:52,826 --> 00:50:55,409 the man who did whatever needed doing for a church 986 00:50:55,544 --> 00:50:57,862 that developed a scary reputation... 987 00:50:57,963 --> 00:50:59,663 for attacking its critics. 988 00:50:59,781 --> 00:51:01,383 Scientology has been in the headlines... 989 00:51:01,501 --> 00:51:02,884 off and on for 25 years now, 990 00:51:03,001 --> 00:51:05,703 almost since the time it was founded as a religion. 991 00:51:05,804 --> 00:51:07,844 Scientology's story is one of a church... 992 00:51:08,057 --> 00:51:10,808 embittered by what it perceives as harassment. 993 00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:12,066 We're talking about attacks 994 00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:14,044 from multi-billion dollar media conglomerates, 995 00:51:14,145 --> 00:51:17,564 world governments... real powers of the world. 996 00:51:17,683 --> 00:51:20,001 They take enemies very seriously. 997 00:51:20,149 --> 00:51:21,985 This comes right out of Hubbard's own policies 998 00:51:22,102 --> 00:51:25,054 from the '60s, saying, "We never defend, we always attack." 999 00:51:25,155 --> 00:51:27,073 And they have followed it ever since. 1000 00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:28,525 They call it "fair game"... 1001 00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:31,526 and anybody who criticizes Scientology is fair game. 1002 00:51:31,643 --> 00:51:33,078 Whatever you're told, 1003 00:51:33,195 --> 00:51:34,997 whatever needs to be done, 1004 00:51:35,114 --> 00:51:37,753 if it's against the law, it doesn't matter. 1005 00:51:38,259 --> 00:51:40,157 The best example is, in the mid '70s, 1006 00:51:40,181 --> 00:51:43,628 Scientologists were walking in to these Department of Justice offices... 1007 00:51:43,822 --> 00:51:47,540 and IRS offices and taking documents out by the yard. 1008 00:51:48,152 --> 00:51:49,823 The FBI raided the Church of Scientology, 1009 00:51:49,927 --> 00:51:52,222 the largest raid in FBI history at that time. 1010 00:51:52,246 --> 00:51:54,515 Oh my god. The building is filled with FBI, 1011 00:51:54,632 --> 00:51:56,298 and they're... they're taking things. 1012 00:51:56,433 --> 00:51:58,085 It was craziness. 1013 00:51:58,856 --> 00:52:01,075 Clearly, L. Ron Hubbard was in charge of all of that, 1014 00:52:01,386 --> 00:52:03,623 but he was only named an unindicted co-conspirator. 1015 00:52:03,740 --> 00:52:05,557 And Mary Sue Hubbard, Hubbard's wife, 1016 00:52:05,674 --> 00:52:07,852 she went to prison, 10 others went to prison. 1017 00:52:08,946 --> 00:52:11,578 This was where I cut my teeth. I was in my early 20s, 1018 00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:13,063 Miscavige was in his early 20s. 1019 00:52:13,183 --> 00:52:14,918 We were taking over for this group... 1020 00:52:14,951 --> 00:52:17,653 that had created the largest domestic espionage operation... 1021 00:52:17,787 --> 00:52:19,287 in the history of the United States. 1022 00:52:19,404 --> 00:52:20,789 They were breaking into offices, 1023 00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:23,573 framing people. This is the activities of a church? 1024 00:52:23,691 --> 00:52:25,076 There was a guy who, uh, you know, 1025 00:52:25,193 --> 00:52:27,127 was a reporter for "The LA Times," 1026 00:52:27,244 --> 00:52:28,507 whose dog was poisoned... 1027 00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:30,714 while he was working on a Scientology story. 1028 00:52:30,831 --> 00:52:32,966 Again and again while reporting the story, 1029 00:52:33,083 --> 00:52:35,913 we met many former members who describe Scientology... 1030 00:52:36,003 --> 00:52:39,289 as a dangerous and deeply paranoid organization. 1031 00:52:39,888 --> 00:52:42,140 They hired private detectives to harass people. 1032 00:52:42,175 --> 00:52:43,586 I have been sued twice. 1033 00:52:43,592 --> 00:52:44,633 Financial ruin. 1034 00:52:44,675 --> 00:52:46,029 Years of harassment. 1035 00:52:46,061 --> 00:52:47,795 Their homes broken into, have them beaten. 1036 00:52:47,896 --> 00:52:50,933 We chased her around. We followed her to the airport. 1037 00:52:51,066 --> 00:52:53,067 Gotten ahold of personal phone records. 1038 00:52:53,144 --> 00:52:55,252 Slashed their tires, break their car windows. 1039 00:52:55,413 --> 00:52:58,195 I was locked in a chicken wire cage. 1040 00:52:58,224 --> 00:53:01,477 Dangerous, horrifying, terrifying fraud. 1041 00:53:01,742 --> 00:53:03,304 A nightmare. 1042 00:53:03,351 --> 00:53:05,414 Many of their stories are corroborated... 1043 00:53:05,531 --> 00:53:08,784 in sworn court testimony by up to a dozen other people. 1044 00:53:08,901 --> 00:53:10,503 Are they all lying? 1045 00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:11,449 They sat in a room, 1046 00:53:11,584 --> 00:53:13,153 they figured out what they were going to say... 1047 00:53:13,254 --> 00:53:16,004 My position, as the spokesperson, 1048 00:53:16,121 --> 00:53:19,459 was to evade the question, 1049 00:53:19,576 --> 00:53:21,634 or sleaze around some way, 1050 00:53:21,678 --> 00:53:23,636 or give what was an acceptable answer, 1051 00:53:23,681 --> 00:53:25,700 or something that I believed at the time. 1052 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,903 Please, welcome Mr. Mike Rinder. 1053 00:53:34,756 --> 00:53:37,025 Because Scientology is perceived 1054 00:53:37,142 --> 00:53:39,776 and conceived by Scientologists 1055 00:53:39,893 --> 00:53:43,146 as being the salvation for mankind, 1056 00:53:43,263 --> 00:53:45,982 you can have people that lie 1057 00:53:46,099 --> 00:53:48,851 with a very straight face 1058 00:53:48,952 --> 00:53:51,405 if they believe that what they are doing 1059 00:53:51,539 --> 00:53:54,191 is protecting the Church of Scientology. 1060 00:53:54,292 --> 00:53:55,458 L. Ron Hubbard says, 1061 00:53:55,576 --> 00:53:57,692 "We do not find critics of Scientology 1062 00:53:57,792 --> 00:53:59,127 "who do not have criminal pasts." 1063 00:53:59,244 --> 00:54:01,381 Do you believe that? Sure. 1064 00:54:01,498 --> 00:54:03,967 People who oppose you are undoubtedly criminals? 1065 00:54:04,084 --> 00:54:05,419 I believe that, yeah. 1066 00:54:05,553 --> 00:54:07,970 You know, there isn't and hasn't been 1067 00:54:08,087 --> 00:54:10,673 any effort which has been taken to, 1068 00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:12,555 quote, "silence critics." 1069 00:54:12,672 --> 00:54:14,559 "No, that doesn't happen. 1070 00:54:14,676 --> 00:54:17,173 "Oh, we would never do that." 1071 00:54:17,261 --> 00:54:18,681 But according to many insiders, 1072 00:54:19,022 --> 00:54:21,016 Hubbard was growing more and more vindictive 1073 00:54:21,133 --> 00:54:22,519 toward those who stood in his way. 1074 00:54:23,695 --> 00:54:27,264 He created what he called the Rehabilitation Project Force. 1075 00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:30,190 The RPF was what we called it. 1076 00:54:30,307 --> 00:54:31,525 It was the prison camp, 1077 00:54:31,642 --> 00:54:33,108 where you'd go for re-indoctrination. 1078 00:54:35,590 --> 00:54:38,260 It was on the 7th floor of the Hollywood headquarters, 1079 00:54:38,887 --> 00:54:41,230 a confined space to rehabilitate members... 1080 00:54:41,367 --> 00:54:43,733 who might be harboring subversive thoughts. 1081 00:54:43,835 --> 00:54:45,921 Spanky was sent to the RPF... 1082 00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:47,600 when she objected to the way the church... 1083 00:54:47,628 --> 00:54:50,208 had denied medical treatment to her boss. 1084 00:54:50,656 --> 00:54:54,259 I went thinking, of course, this is a big mistake. 1085 00:54:54,379 --> 00:54:56,847 And then I got there, and there were like 200 of us. 1086 00:54:56,963 --> 00:54:59,800 So much of the exec strata of the organization there... 1087 00:54:59,934 --> 00:55:01,803 hit the skids simultaneously. 1088 00:55:02,397 --> 00:55:05,312 RPF stands for Rehabilitation Project Force. 1089 00:55:05,597 --> 00:55:08,891 It is a program that is exclusively... 1090 00:55:09,008 --> 00:55:11,610 for the benefit of Sea Organization members. 1091 00:55:11,727 --> 00:55:14,113 If they are stressed out, 1092 00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:15,932 if they're not doing well on their job, 1093 00:55:16,033 --> 00:55:19,356 have them do menial-type work... 1094 00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:22,988 and five hours a day of auditing... 1095 00:55:23,122 --> 00:55:25,373 and Scientology training. 1096 00:55:25,491 --> 00:55:26,992 It's a fabulous program. 1097 00:55:27,126 --> 00:55:29,586 We were working, cross my heart, 1098 00:55:30,157 --> 00:55:31,762 30 hours on, three hours off. 1099 00:55:31,864 --> 00:55:33,374 Doing, like, hard labor, 1100 00:55:33,398 --> 00:55:35,276 like having wire brushes on windowsills, 1101 00:55:35,384 --> 00:55:37,201 and sanding and sanding and sanding. 1102 00:55:37,225 --> 00:55:38,628 Breathing paint fumes. 1103 00:55:38,652 --> 00:55:40,709 The regular crew would eat first, 1104 00:55:40,722 --> 00:55:42,462 and then we'd get what was left. 1105 00:55:42,696 --> 00:55:43,937 It was kinda like table scraps. 1106 00:55:45,284 --> 00:55:47,204 There was mattresses out there on the roof, 1107 00:55:47,226 --> 00:55:49,479 and they were wet and soggy and gross. 1108 00:55:49,731 --> 00:55:51,651 And if you got to sleep for three hours, 1109 00:55:51,682 --> 00:55:55,068 sometimes you'd just have to up there and crash out. 1110 00:55:56,653 --> 00:55:59,004 And I had a young child at that time, 1111 00:55:59,121 --> 00:56:01,629 who was 10 months old when I went to the RPF. 1112 00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:03,726 She got taken and put in the Cadet Org, 1113 00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:06,077 the organization for the children. 1114 00:56:06,193 --> 00:56:09,476 And then I... I got pregnant 1115 00:56:10,251 --> 00:56:11,832 when I was in the RPF. 1116 00:56:11,950 --> 00:56:15,153 So now I'm sanding walls, eating table scraps, 1117 00:56:15,254 --> 00:56:19,591 pregnant, and worrying myself sick about my child. 1118 00:56:20,697 --> 00:56:23,000 In Spanky's time, the children of Sea Org members... 1119 00:56:23,024 --> 00:56:24,549 were separated from their parents... 1120 00:56:24,573 --> 00:56:26,230 and raised in the Cadet Org... 1121 00:56:26,422 --> 00:56:30,379 to remove all distractions from their parent's ultimate responsibility, 1122 00:56:30,550 --> 00:56:32,555 to clear the planet. 1123 00:56:32,579 --> 00:56:36,054 Sea Org members were often pressured to have abortions, 1124 00:56:36,188 --> 00:56:38,340 because the church viewed "getting children"... 1125 00:56:38,441 --> 00:56:40,841 as an unpractical burden. 1126 00:56:40,942 --> 00:56:44,112 Initially, you're like, "This is absurd. This is nuts." 1127 00:56:44,312 --> 00:56:46,652 And then you kinda settle in and go, "Well... 1128 00:56:48,652 --> 00:56:53,810 obviously, I need to deal with something that I'm not facing. 1129 00:56:54,289 --> 00:56:55,907 So perhaps this is... 1130 00:56:56,041 --> 00:56:57,991 they're doing this to make me better." 1131 00:57:01,996 --> 00:57:04,580 There are so many bizarre stories that you... 1132 00:57:04,714 --> 00:57:06,832 just hard to believe stuff. 1133 00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:08,972 They asked if I could arrange a private screening 1134 00:57:08,996 --> 00:57:11,104 of "Saturday Night Fever." 1135 00:57:12,305 --> 00:57:13,973 And I was like, "What?" 1136 00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:15,840 I had disappeared from this man's life. 1137 00:57:15,864 --> 00:57:17,420 I abandoned him... 1138 00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:20,364 and now you want me to arrange a private screening? 1139 00:57:20,388 --> 00:57:21,580 "What are you... " 1140 00:57:21,604 --> 00:57:24,967 I said, "Is there anything else? Maybe a Beatles reunion?" 1141 00:57:26,517 --> 00:57:28,936 Travolta had been wondering where Spanky was. 1142 00:57:29,136 --> 00:57:30,613 When she was sent to the RPF, 1143 00:57:30,637 --> 00:57:33,606 she was not allowed to contact him or anyone else. 1144 00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:35,725 But now, under the watch of a guard, 1145 00:57:35,826 --> 00:57:38,729 she was permitted to call Travolta's assistant. 1146 00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:42,266 She said we could use John's personal print of the film, 1147 00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:44,772 under one condition, that you will see John. 1148 00:57:45,508 --> 00:57:46,976 I was so excited. 1149 00:57:47,221 --> 00:57:49,606 I hadn't had dialogue with him for many months. 1150 00:57:51,726 --> 00:57:53,215 We had the screening of the film, 1151 00:57:53,561 --> 00:57:54,880 and on the next night... 1152 00:57:54,904 --> 00:57:56,563 I was supposed to have dinner with Johnny. 1153 00:57:57,331 --> 00:57:58,913 And after the screening, 1154 00:57:59,014 --> 00:58:01,799 I was abruptly told I wasn't going to see him, 1155 00:58:01,934 --> 00:58:03,883 and I needed to call and cancel. 1156 00:58:03,907 --> 00:58:07,838 He was truly angry at me for... for... 1157 00:58:09,135 --> 00:58:12,210 for having allowed this abuse of myself, you know, 1158 00:58:12,234 --> 00:58:14,949 and for having that... so little of myself... 1159 00:58:17,231 --> 00:58:20,284 that I would allow this degree of degradation, 1160 00:58:20,308 --> 00:58:23,269 and, and um... and... 1161 00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:25,070 and he was my good friend, 1162 00:58:25,187 --> 00:58:28,490 and I knew that he was telling me the truth. 1163 00:58:30,518 --> 00:58:33,236 Those words were such a wakeup call for me. 1164 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,712 And I went over there, to the Cadet Org. 1165 00:58:36,214 --> 00:58:38,119 There were so many sick children in there, 1166 00:58:38,143 --> 00:58:39,911 and my daughter was very, very ill, 1167 00:58:40,169 --> 00:58:43,351 burning up with fever, completely neglected, 1168 00:58:44,204 --> 00:58:46,640 in a urine-soaked crib. 1169 00:58:46,757 --> 00:58:49,460 Her eyes were so filled with mucus, 1170 00:58:49,561 --> 00:58:51,671 they were welded shut. 1171 00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:54,428 She had fruit flies on her body. 1172 00:58:54,482 --> 00:58:58,104 And I just... I couldn't bear it. 1173 00:58:58,128 --> 00:59:00,402 I just went, "No, mmm-mmm, I'm done." 1174 00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,140 I mean, I just knew I could make these choices for me. 1175 00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,107 I could decide to give up my life 1176 00:59:06,225 --> 00:59:08,078 and do this to help the world, 1177 00:59:08,194 --> 00:59:10,362 but I couldn't make these choices for my children. 1178 00:59:10,498 --> 00:59:12,532 I just had to get her out. 1179 00:59:15,194 --> 00:59:17,876 I told them that I was having problems with my pregnancy, 1180 00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:19,657 and I needed to use the phone. 1181 00:59:19,737 --> 00:59:21,456 So they sent a bodyguard with me. 1182 00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:25,556 I called one of the few non-Scientologists I knew, 1183 00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:28,424 a wonderful woman who happened to work for John Travolta. 1184 00:59:28,869 --> 00:59:30,854 I said, "Meet me at this address." 1185 00:59:30,881 --> 00:59:32,811 I gave her a time and I hung up. 1186 00:59:32,835 --> 00:59:35,097 I go up to my daughter's room, and I wrapped her up. 1187 00:59:38,485 --> 00:59:40,477 And there's that bodyguard with me. 1188 00:59:40,776 --> 00:59:42,764 I said, "Oh, my sister-in-law is in that car... 1189 00:59:42,893 --> 00:59:45,177 and she's gonna take the baby to the doctor." 1190 00:59:45,278 --> 00:59:46,611 He said, "Well, has this been approved?" 1191 00:59:46,729 --> 00:59:49,197 "Of course it was approved!" 1192 00:59:49,315 --> 00:59:51,700 She's in my arms, and I got in the car. 1193 00:59:51,818 --> 00:59:54,403 My friend, she just nods her head. 1194 00:59:56,037 --> 00:59:58,239 Boom! With that, I pull my leg in, shut that door. 1195 00:59:58,373 --> 01:00:00,539 She hits the locks, and we drive. 1196 01:00:00,656 --> 01:00:02,285 And people are yelling my name, 1197 01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:04,499 saying, "Spanky, no! No!" 1198 01:00:04,523 --> 01:00:06,114 I mean, just freaked out. 1199 01:00:06,415 --> 01:00:08,215 I'm thinkin' "I'm a dead person, 1200 01:00:08,333 --> 01:00:10,668 something terrible is gonna happen to me." 1201 01:00:10,802 --> 01:00:12,552 I was just so frightened... 1202 01:00:12,670 --> 01:00:15,754 that they would come to fetch me up. 1203 01:00:21,175 --> 01:00:22,193 One of the turning points 1204 01:00:22,217 --> 01:00:24,523 in Travolta's relationship with the church 1205 01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:28,042 is when he understood what was happening to Spanky, 1206 01:00:28,971 --> 01:00:30,713 he didn't do anything about it. 1207 01:00:30,737 --> 01:00:33,320 I know that he certainly got exposed 1208 01:00:33,437 --> 01:00:36,589 to the fact that not everything was on the up and up. 1209 01:00:36,613 --> 01:00:39,263 Why that wasn't sufficient for him to leave, 1210 01:00:39,287 --> 01:00:40,352 I don't know. 1211 01:00:41,786 --> 01:00:45,812 I often wonder what... what could possibly keep him there? 1212 01:00:46,166 --> 01:00:47,444 Can you recall an incident 1213 01:00:47,451 --> 01:00:49,493 which occurred when your mother looked younger? 1214 01:00:50,585 --> 01:00:54,714 An auditor learns to keep notes contemporaneously 1215 01:00:54,738 --> 01:00:56,990 as he is doing a session, 1216 01:00:57,014 --> 01:01:00,129 about every detail of the person's life, 1217 01:01:00,213 --> 01:01:02,104 back to birth and beyond. 1218 01:01:02,854 --> 01:01:04,687 If you do the whole program, 1219 01:01:04,711 --> 01:01:07,731 you end up with up to a file cabinet full 1220 01:01:07,755 --> 01:01:11,442 of pre-clear folders on notations about your life, 1221 01:01:11,466 --> 01:01:14,024 your thoughts, and your considerations about your life. 1222 01:01:14,174 --> 01:01:16,476 It's the most intimate detail. 1223 01:01:17,585 --> 01:01:19,744 You're always encouraged, you're always threatened, 1224 01:01:19,768 --> 01:01:22,963 to disclose more and more and more. And all of it's recorded. 1225 01:01:24,351 --> 01:01:25,750 All of this material, 1226 01:01:25,819 --> 01:01:28,223 which is represented to you to be held sacrosanct... 1227 01:01:28,405 --> 01:01:30,855 in fact, any information... 1228 01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:33,627 that might do some harm to the organization, 1229 01:01:33,744 --> 01:01:36,112 gets unclassified automatically... 1230 01:01:36,213 --> 01:01:38,714 and gets reported to another branch of the church.. 1231 01:01:38,832 --> 01:01:40,917 that deals with "ethics." 1232 01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:48,560 Travolta was down in Clearwater. 1233 01:01:49,078 --> 01:01:50,344 We'd finished the renovations. 1234 01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:53,477 Every auditing room had two cameras... 1235 01:01:53,594 --> 01:01:56,798 one on the meter, and one on the guy getting auditing. 1236 01:01:56,899 --> 01:02:00,244 Miscavige would sit in this 15x15 room, 1237 01:02:00,268 --> 01:02:02,159 cameras of every session. 1238 01:02:02,183 --> 01:02:03,423 You can flip in between 'em, 1239 01:02:03,571 --> 01:02:05,240 and he was watching these things. 1240 01:02:05,404 --> 01:02:06,990 And it was for "training purposes." 1241 01:02:07,107 --> 01:02:08,474 Well, Travolta saw that, 1242 01:02:08,575 --> 01:02:11,707 and he said, "I will not be videoed." 1243 01:02:11,731 --> 01:02:14,431 So I was there when they were setting it up, 1244 01:02:14,531 --> 01:02:16,120 and Miscavige was directing it. 1245 01:02:16,399 --> 01:02:18,116 "Get him into a hotel room, 1246 01:02:18,233 --> 01:02:21,753 hook up secret, private videos." 1247 01:02:23,788 --> 01:02:25,099 There were rumors 1248 01:02:25,123 --> 01:02:26,717 that he was threatening to leave, 1249 01:02:26,833 --> 01:02:29,929 and another Scientologist told me that he was delegated 1250 01:02:30,047 --> 01:02:32,590 to create a black PR package, 1251 01:02:33,542 --> 01:02:36,569 all the damaging material they could use against Travolta, 1252 01:02:36,850 --> 01:02:39,321 which came from his auditing sessions. 1253 01:02:39,345 --> 01:02:42,026 I know this because I used to do it... 1254 01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:44,939 when I was the head of the Office of Special Affairs. 1255 01:02:45,726 --> 01:02:47,394 We would put a team of people... 1256 01:02:47,528 --> 01:02:50,647 onto going through all of these PC folders... 1257 01:02:50,764 --> 01:02:54,400 and finding things that they believe. 1258 01:02:54,535 --> 01:02:57,486 By exposing them or threatening to expose them, 1259 01:02:57,887 --> 01:02:59,866 they will cower... 1260 01:03:00,255 --> 01:03:03,516 the person that they're worried about into silence. 1261 01:03:06,503 --> 01:03:07,501 There is a particular writing 1262 01:03:07,612 --> 01:03:12,335 where Hubbard is training these Office of Special Affairs people 1263 01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:16,336 on how, when you use private information 1264 01:03:16,453 --> 01:03:19,722 to control somebody to do what you want them to do, 1265 01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:22,508 and to silence them from speaking out against Scientology, 1266 01:03:22,626 --> 01:03:25,896 it's really not blackmail, because you're not asking for money. 1267 01:03:26,013 --> 01:03:27,849 But you're holding this secret information 1268 01:03:27,966 --> 01:03:30,183 over the person's head to silence them. 1269 01:03:30,301 --> 01:03:32,383 As far as Travolta is concerned, 1270 01:03:32,484 --> 01:03:35,719 people say, well, he... there's all these things that we know about 1271 01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:37,572 that have been rumored in the tabloids. 1272 01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:40,409 But in fact, it's more of a two-way street. 1273 01:03:40,528 --> 01:03:42,161 You know, he's provided with an auditor 1274 01:03:42,278 --> 01:03:43,579 whose shoulder he can cry on, 1275 01:03:43,696 --> 01:03:46,580 but he's also provided with the muscle of the church, 1276 01:03:46,697 --> 01:03:49,166 in the form of myself and Mike Rinder. 1277 01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:50,367 On many occasions, 1278 01:03:50,484 --> 01:03:52,503 we were sent out to get with his publicist, 1279 01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:53,704 to get with his lawyer, 1280 01:03:53,821 --> 01:03:56,539 and to help squash or intimidate these people 1281 01:03:56,656 --> 01:03:58,843 that are making accusations against him. 1282 01:03:58,961 --> 01:04:00,344 Once that happened, 1283 01:04:00,460 --> 01:04:03,512 I think he was really the church's captive. 1284 01:04:03,629 --> 01:04:05,298 Mr. John Travolta! 1285 01:04:25,116 --> 01:04:27,602 When they were facing lawsuits and stuff like that, 1286 01:04:27,702 --> 01:04:28,903 he'd be brought forward, 1287 01:04:29,019 --> 01:04:31,736 and make his testimony about how great Scientology is. 1288 01:04:31,853 --> 01:04:33,405 He had the opportunity 1289 01:04:33,522 --> 01:04:37,277 to affect the behavior of the church, and he chose not to. 1290 01:04:39,129 --> 01:04:41,716 Now I've been a Scientologist for 23 years. 1291 01:04:41,833 --> 01:04:44,084 I've felt like a pioneer in many... in many ways, 1292 01:04:44,218 --> 01:04:47,635 and I've... I've seen my efforts come to fruition... 1293 01:04:47,752 --> 01:04:49,621 in various ways. 1294 01:04:49,722 --> 01:04:52,591 I think very few people can say that. 1295 01:04:52,725 --> 01:04:55,311 I've... I'm part of a... of a frontier in a way, 1296 01:04:55,429 --> 01:04:58,629 you know, that, that very few people ever get to be part of. 1297 01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:35,379 Thank you. 1298 01:05:35,513 --> 01:05:37,966 Welcome to church! 1299 01:05:38,084 --> 01:05:41,602 It was the biggest event in Scientology history, 1300 01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,055 and of course, Miscavige wanted to milk it for everything he had. 1301 01:05:45,189 --> 01:05:47,058 It's this grand, produced thing, 1302 01:05:47,192 --> 01:05:51,528 where it's all a single person on a gigantic stage, 1303 01:05:51,646 --> 01:05:54,847 all this sort of Nazi symbolism. 1304 01:05:55,782 --> 01:05:58,684 I clearly recall getting prepared for the event 1305 01:05:58,785 --> 01:06:00,486 and Miscavige up in that office, 1306 01:06:00,603 --> 01:06:03,156 you know, going 18-20 hours a day 1307 01:06:03,273 --> 01:06:06,159 writing this speech, and thinking to myself, 1308 01:06:06,276 --> 01:06:09,078 "My God, you know? This is not just 1309 01:06:09,213 --> 01:06:11,746 "a victory celebration, 1310 01:06:11,881 --> 01:06:14,131 "this is a... this is a coup." 1311 01:06:14,249 --> 01:06:16,667 What we are going to talk about 1312 01:06:16,784 --> 01:06:20,504 is the war to end all wars. 1313 01:06:20,638 --> 01:06:23,007 When you are in Scientology, you are in all the way. 1314 01:06:23,124 --> 01:06:25,426 There's no half in and half out. 1315 01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,479 - A decade into - Miscavige's leadership, 1316 01:06:28,596 --> 01:06:30,763 a simmering crisis finally came to a boil. 1317 01:06:30,899 --> 01:06:35,235 For years Hubbard had insisted that Scientology was a religion 1318 01:06:35,352 --> 01:06:37,320 and should be tax-exempt, 1319 01:06:37,437 --> 01:06:41,058 so he had refused to pay any taxes. 1320 01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:43,610 We were facing a tax bill 1321 01:06:43,744 --> 01:06:47,196 of over a billion dollars, and the total assets, 1322 01:06:47,313 --> 01:06:50,781 liquid and material, and property of the church 1323 01:06:50,917 --> 01:06:53,868 was about a quarter of that at the time, in the '80s. 1324 01:06:54,001 --> 01:06:58,173 And so just from a real simple accounting basis, 1325 01:06:58,291 --> 01:06:59,540 it was life and death. 1326 01:06:59,657 --> 01:07:01,126 If we don't get exemption, we die. 1327 01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:03,076 If we get it, we survive. 1328 01:07:03,177 --> 01:07:04,962 As LRH said, 1329 01:07:05,096 --> 01:07:07,630 "One certainly couldn't contest anyone 1330 01:07:07,764 --> 01:07:10,415 "as holy as the commissioner of the IRS, 1331 01:07:10,517 --> 01:07:14,971 "whom I believe gives God his orders." LRH. 1332 01:07:15,105 --> 01:07:16,974 Faced with this crisis, 1333 01:07:17,108 --> 01:07:19,758 David Miscavige formulated a strategy. 1334 01:07:19,859 --> 01:07:22,811 Think of the nerve that it takes 1335 01:07:22,946 --> 01:07:25,613 to decide to take on a war with the IRS. 1336 01:07:25,731 --> 01:07:27,483 The Church of Scientology 1337 01:07:27,617 --> 01:07:29,934 has been crucifying the federal agency 1338 01:07:30,035 --> 01:07:32,320 for its sins on a regular basis, 1339 01:07:32,453 --> 01:07:34,405 both in and out of courts. 1340 01:07:34,539 --> 01:07:38,075 Thousands of Scientologists all filed lawsuits, 1341 01:07:38,193 --> 01:07:39,276 not just against the IRS, 1342 01:07:39,377 --> 01:07:42,163 but against individual IRS employees. 1343 01:07:42,297 --> 01:07:44,115 2400 total lawsuits, 1344 01:07:44,216 --> 01:07:47,000 all going at the IRS at one time. 1345 01:07:47,135 --> 01:07:48,751 It was a litigation nightmare. 1346 01:07:48,868 --> 01:07:51,470 Being Miscavige's right-hand man, 1347 01:07:51,588 --> 01:07:53,421 I was in charge of all those efforts. 1348 01:07:53,539 --> 01:07:56,676 We were not only suing them in every possible jurisdiction there was, 1349 01:07:56,810 --> 01:07:59,596 we were investigating the IRS for crimes generally, 1350 01:07:59,729 --> 01:08:01,180 or things that would offend the public. 1351 01:08:01,314 --> 01:08:03,231 ...these hearings into IRS integrity... 1352 01:08:03,350 --> 01:08:04,567 In the late '80s, 1353 01:08:04,684 --> 01:08:06,318 there were hearings about IRS abuses 1354 01:08:06,435 --> 01:08:07,602 that had nothing to do with Scientology, 1355 01:08:07,718 --> 01:08:08,769 had nothing to do with nonprofits, 1356 01:08:08,887 --> 01:08:10,188 had nothing to do with churches. 1357 01:08:10,321 --> 01:08:12,325 They had to do with Joe Taxpayer. 1358 01:08:12,442 --> 01:08:15,311 And they we were publishing these glossy, 1359 01:08:15,412 --> 01:08:16,745 expensive magazines. 1360 01:08:16,862 --> 01:08:19,829 In fact, the exposés of IRS crimes 1361 01:08:19,946 --> 01:08:22,749 were so hated that possession of "Freedom" magazine 1362 01:08:22,866 --> 01:08:25,703 was banned by IRS officials in the IRS building. 1363 01:08:27,954 --> 01:08:32,759 There is going to be a IRS conference in the Catskills. 1364 01:08:32,876 --> 01:08:35,878 Right? And so we would send a PI, 1365 01:08:36,013 --> 01:08:37,930 find out which hotel it's gonna be at, 1366 01:08:38,047 --> 01:08:41,167 get down there during happy hour, socialize. 1367 01:08:41,268 --> 01:08:44,352 And this guy's tallying who's drinkin' what. 1368 01:08:44,469 --> 01:08:46,271 And so we go through Freedom of Information Act 1369 01:08:46,389 --> 01:08:49,556 to find out that the taxpayers are paying the bar bill, 1370 01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:51,392 and it's so much money. 1371 01:08:51,526 --> 01:08:52,643 And of course, you know, 1372 01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,511 in the scheme of things, it's nothing. 1373 01:08:54,612 --> 01:08:56,397 But from a PR perspective, it's everything. 1374 01:08:56,530 --> 01:09:00,484 IRS officials told me to my face 1375 01:09:00,601 --> 01:09:02,952 they weren't interested in hearing anything 1376 01:09:03,069 --> 01:09:06,873 I had to say because, and I quote, 1377 01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:09,025 "You are a Scientologist. 1378 01:09:09,127 --> 01:09:12,245 "You are a mindless robot." 1379 01:09:12,379 --> 01:09:16,048 Well, those who know me can imagine my response. 1380 01:09:18,499 --> 01:09:22,253 It was short, but certainly made the point. 1381 01:09:24,222 --> 01:09:27,977 A negotiation began to take place 1382 01:09:28,094 --> 01:09:32,264 between the IRS and the Church of Scientology. 1383 01:09:32,398 --> 01:09:34,230 How do you define a religion? 1384 01:09:34,347 --> 01:09:35,849 It's not so easy. 1385 01:09:35,966 --> 01:09:39,986 Why is one body of thinking a religion 1386 01:09:40,103 --> 01:09:42,490 and another body not? 1387 01:09:42,607 --> 01:09:47,326 The only organization entitled to make those distinctions 1388 01:09:47,444 --> 01:09:49,362 is the IRS as an agency... 1389 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,664 very poorly equipped to do that. 1390 01:09:51,781 --> 01:09:53,448 I mean, they're mainly accountants and lawyers, 1391 01:09:53,582 --> 01:09:55,250 they're not theologians. 1392 01:09:55,368 --> 01:09:57,919 But it's the only opinion that matters. 1393 01:09:58,036 --> 01:10:01,207 Once the IRS has decided that you are a religion, 1394 01:10:01,324 --> 01:10:05,377 then you are protected by the vast protections 1395 01:10:05,511 --> 01:10:08,045 of the First Amendment. 1396 01:10:08,162 --> 01:10:10,931 And, as the saying goes, 1397 01:10:11,048 --> 01:10:14,584 the rest is history. On October the first, 1993, 1398 01:10:14,685 --> 01:10:17,687 at 8:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 1399 01:10:17,804 --> 01:10:20,941 the IRS issued letters recognizing Scientology 1400 01:10:21,058 --> 01:10:23,059 and every one of its organizations 1401 01:10:23,176 --> 01:10:26,279 as fully tax-exempt! The war is over! 1402 01:10:33,285 --> 01:10:35,069 The war ended 1403 01:10:35,186 --> 01:10:37,039 because the IRS surrendered. 1404 01:10:37,156 --> 01:10:39,241 It forgave the billion-dollar tax bill 1405 01:10:39,358 --> 01:10:42,911 and granted Scientology its tax exemption. 1406 01:10:43,028 --> 01:10:45,713 Even Hubbard's novels were declared religious texts, 1407 01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:48,915 their sales exempt from taxes. 1408 01:10:49,032 --> 01:10:51,333 What happened is that Fred Goldberg, 1409 01:10:51,467 --> 01:10:54,170 who was the IRS commissioner at that time... 1410 01:10:54,305 --> 01:10:57,058 Miscavige let Goldberg know that if we could find a way 1411 01:10:57,175 --> 01:10:58,591 to get tax-exempt status, 1412 01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:00,461 all those lawsuits will go away overnight. 1413 01:11:00,561 --> 01:11:01,928 And as we were going out the door, 1414 01:11:02,045 --> 01:11:04,297 Fred Goldberg goes, "Is he serious?" 1415 01:11:04,397 --> 01:11:05,930 And I said, "Yeah." 1416 01:11:06,048 --> 01:11:08,134 And he sort of breathed this sigh of relief, 1417 01:11:08,235 --> 01:11:10,319 kind of nodded, and smiled. 1418 01:11:10,436 --> 01:11:13,105 At the Church's victory party, 1419 01:11:13,222 --> 01:11:15,909 Miscavige projected photos of the church's executives 1420 01:11:16,026 --> 01:11:19,494 celebrating with IRS officials. 1421 01:11:19,611 --> 01:11:22,581 It created this tremendous juggernaut 1422 01:11:22,698 --> 01:11:27,200 of tight conspiracy of the membership that then existed, 1423 01:11:27,334 --> 01:11:30,589 but what it really did was enable Miscavige 1424 01:11:30,705 --> 01:11:33,875 to milk every last dime 1425 01:11:34,008 --> 01:11:35,708 out of that core membership. 1426 01:11:35,842 --> 01:11:39,846 I am proud to announce the discrimination is over. 1427 01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:41,764 Your tax dona... 1428 01:11:41,881 --> 01:11:43,831 deductions on donations to Scientology 1429 01:11:43,932 --> 01:11:47,386 will no longer be disallowed by the Internal Revenue Service. 1430 01:11:50,356 --> 01:11:52,725 In the '80s, while Hubbard was in hiding, 1431 01:11:52,859 --> 01:11:56,361 Scientology was going through some very severe litigation, 1432 01:11:56,478 --> 01:11:58,229 in particular, a lawsuit in Oregon, 1433 01:11:58,362 --> 01:11:59,813 and one in Los Angeles. 1434 01:11:59,947 --> 01:12:02,366 One of them did produce a $30 million judgment. 1435 01:12:02,483 --> 01:12:04,200 This scared Scientology. 1436 01:12:04,317 --> 01:12:06,120 They realized they were vulnerable. 1437 01:12:06,237 --> 01:12:07,571 And so they asked Scientologists, 1438 01:12:07,705 --> 01:12:09,822 "Okay, give us a few thousand dollars. 1439 01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:12,075 "You'll get a nice ribbon or something. 1440 01:12:12,210 --> 01:12:14,193 "You're not gonna get any courses from it." And this was new, 1441 01:12:14,294 --> 01:12:16,196 the idea that you would give them money 1442 01:12:16,297 --> 01:12:18,383 just to defend against lawsuits. 1443 01:12:18,499 --> 01:12:19,716 And that grew and grew. 1444 01:12:19,834 --> 01:12:22,552 Now Scientologists are constantly 1445 01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:25,887 under intense pressure just to hand money over. 1446 01:12:26,005 --> 01:12:28,473 They pitch themselves as being the underdog, 1447 01:12:28,591 --> 01:12:33,095 as being the victim. And you identify with that. 1448 01:12:33,230 --> 01:12:34,711 But then they start hitting you up 1449 01:12:34,812 --> 01:12:36,848 for bigger donations, and bigger... and I got a lot of pressure. 1450 01:12:36,964 --> 01:12:40,100 And I think I donated another $250,000 to them under pressure. 1451 01:12:40,235 --> 01:12:41,717 They really know how to do it. 1452 01:12:41,818 --> 01:12:44,104 They really know how to do it, and he just was after me and after me. 1453 01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,358 And they said, "We're under attack, Paul." 1454 01:12:46,475 --> 01:12:48,492 This one guy who donated $25 million, 1455 01:12:48,610 --> 01:12:50,894 for no... you know, just straight donation, 1456 01:12:50,995 --> 01:12:53,329 to this... to the Scientology war chest. 1457 01:12:56,148 --> 01:12:57,833 Churches are tax-exempt 1458 01:12:57,950 --> 01:13:00,919 because they're supposed to provide a public good. 1459 01:13:01,036 --> 01:13:03,064 To prove that good to the IRS, 1460 01:13:03,206 --> 01:13:05,761 churches aren't supposed to hoard their money. 1461 01:13:05,785 --> 01:13:09,723 They're supposed to spend it on services for the faithful. 1462 01:13:09,747 --> 01:13:12,936 Under this pretense, the church had made massive investments... 1463 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,799 in tax-free real estate all over the world. 1464 01:13:16,379 --> 01:13:17,790 And when it comes to labor costs, 1465 01:13:18,487 --> 01:13:20,244 they are almost free. 1466 01:13:21,338 --> 01:13:23,698 The max I got paid, you know, 1467 01:13:23,722 --> 01:13:25,682 on a weekly basis was 50 bucks, 1468 01:13:26,193 --> 01:13:28,264 um, for 28 years. 1469 01:13:28,288 --> 01:13:30,761 Sea Org workers take home... 1470 01:13:30,985 --> 01:13:34,898 something between six and 40 cents an hour. 1471 01:13:35,151 --> 01:13:39,013 So if you've got very low labor costs, 1472 01:13:39,037 --> 01:13:42,995 no taxes to pay, and wealthy people giving you donations, 1473 01:13:43,075 --> 01:13:47,998 you can see why Scientology has amassed huge piles of money. 1474 01:13:48,022 --> 01:13:49,115 How much are they worth? 1475 01:13:49,216 --> 01:13:51,466 This was a bit of a mystery, but just recently, 1476 01:13:51,583 --> 01:13:55,357 I obtained tax records that Scientology does have to turn in. 1477 01:13:55,721 --> 01:13:58,379 Three of the main entities of Scientology, 1478 01:13:58,403 --> 01:13:59,988 and there are 20 or 30 of them, 1479 01:14:00,012 --> 01:14:02,292 but the top three, just on their own, 1480 01:14:02,394 --> 01:14:05,978 have a book value of $1.5 billion. 1481 01:14:07,347 --> 01:14:10,628 It's stunning how much money a nonprofit... 1482 01:14:10,652 --> 01:14:12,018 has been able to amass. 1483 01:14:22,727 --> 01:14:26,615 It is a crime that we've given them religious recognition 1484 01:14:26,732 --> 01:14:28,316 and that they can hide behind it. 1485 01:14:28,417 --> 01:14:30,501 Meanwhile, you got very good people in there, 1486 01:14:30,618 --> 01:14:32,988 and their lives are being destroyed. 1487 01:14:33,089 --> 01:14:34,923 When I started this story, 1488 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,292 I stumbled across an FBI investigation of the church. 1489 01:14:38,409 --> 01:14:41,161 They were investigating human trafficking. 1490 01:14:41,262 --> 01:14:44,265 It seemed that people were being confined against their will. 1491 01:14:44,382 --> 01:14:47,800 There were lots of reports of people being physically abused, 1492 01:14:47,917 --> 01:14:50,969 and the exploitation of labor and child labor. 1493 01:14:51,086 --> 01:14:55,057 All of these things were questions that the FBI had. 1494 01:14:55,191 --> 01:14:57,727 While that investigation was going on, 1495 01:14:57,860 --> 01:15:00,897 a case was being heard in Colorado... 1496 01:15:01,031 --> 01:15:03,815 the Headleys, who were suing the church 1497 01:15:03,932 --> 01:15:07,535 for many of these same violations. 1498 01:15:07,652 --> 01:15:10,206 And the court ruled in that case 1499 01:15:10,323 --> 01:15:12,824 that these are all essentially practices 1500 01:15:12,941 --> 01:15:15,994 that are protected by the religious clause 1501 01:15:16,111 --> 01:15:18,695 of the First Amendment. 1502 01:15:18,796 --> 01:15:20,213 Once that ruling came out, 1503 01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:22,498 the FBI dropped its investigation. 1504 01:15:22,615 --> 01:15:27,003 I think it was an indication that the church is protected. 1505 01:15:27,137 --> 01:15:30,390 Before ending cycle completely on the IRS, 1506 01:15:30,507 --> 01:15:33,058 there is one thing I do wish to do. 1507 01:15:33,176 --> 01:15:36,211 Sir. Done. 1508 01:16:33,148 --> 01:16:34,781 The "We Stand Tall" thing... 1509 01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:37,568 this again was part of this whole IRS thing. 1510 01:16:37,685 --> 01:16:40,070 And Miscavige kind of had this song composed 1511 01:16:40,187 --> 01:16:42,371 by the musician group they had up at the studio. 1512 01:16:42,488 --> 01:16:44,323 He was trying to turn this into... 1513 01:16:44,458 --> 01:16:47,210 This was a result of the power of this movement... 1514 01:16:56,502 --> 01:16:58,420 ...which was such bullshit, 1515 01:16:58,537 --> 01:17:01,139 because it was all about control. 1516 01:17:01,257 --> 01:17:05,126 When he got absolute control, he went absolutely bonkers. 1517 01:17:18,105 --> 01:17:19,823 You know, most religions are tax-exempt 1518 01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:21,825 and many have beliefs and practices 1519 01:17:21,942 --> 01:17:25,079 that in the modern context would be considered strange. 1520 01:17:25,196 --> 01:17:26,694 Is Scientology any different? 1521 01:17:26,828 --> 01:17:28,030 I mean, if you go to a Christian 1522 01:17:28,165 --> 01:17:30,949 or a Jew or a Muslim, and ask them, 1523 01:17:31,066 --> 01:17:32,484 "What do you believe?", 1524 01:17:32,585 --> 01:17:34,120 they can basically describe 1525 01:17:34,237 --> 01:17:37,172 the most important parts of their religion 1526 01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:38,790 in a minute or two. 1527 01:17:38,907 --> 01:17:40,490 Well, what does a Scientologist believe? 1528 01:17:40,591 --> 01:17:43,260 You need to be in Scientology for seven or eight years, 1529 01:17:43,377 --> 01:17:45,663 and in for a couple hundred thousand dollars, 1530 01:17:45,764 --> 01:17:47,715 before you finally learn this backstory 1531 01:17:47,848 --> 01:17:49,633 of Xenu the Galactic Overlord. 1532 01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:51,554 Now, if you were told that on day one, 1533 01:17:51,686 --> 01:17:53,553 how many people would join? 1534 01:17:53,688 --> 01:17:55,271 But if they were upfront about it, 1535 01:17:55,389 --> 01:17:56,890 I'd have more respect for them. 1536 01:17:57,023 --> 01:17:58,641 But it's that sort of bait and switch 1537 01:17:58,758 --> 01:18:00,776 that people are told, "Oh, it's an applied philosophy 1538 01:18:00,894 --> 01:18:02,846 "to help you with your communication." 1539 01:18:02,947 --> 01:18:04,531 Oh, yeah? 1540 01:18:04,648 --> 01:18:06,848 So why is Tom Cruise paying 1,000 bucks 1541 01:18:06,949 --> 01:18:10,016 to have invisible aliens pulled out of his body? 1542 01:18:18,577 --> 01:18:20,295 What happens when your zone of influence 1543 01:18:20,412 --> 01:18:21,829 is the global stage? 1544 01:18:21,946 --> 01:18:26,299 How much must one do to call themselves a Scientologist? 1545 01:18:26,416 --> 01:18:29,370 How much so that when their head hits the pillow, 1546 01:18:29,471 --> 01:18:31,506 they can live with themselves, 1547 01:18:31,623 --> 01:18:34,259 knowing they did all they could do? 1548 01:18:34,393 --> 01:18:36,592 That is our final story this evening. 1549 01:18:36,727 --> 01:18:40,262 It's a story that affects every Scientologist, 1550 01:18:40,396 --> 01:18:44,483 for all of us are the beneficiaries of what he presents. 1551 01:18:46,486 --> 01:18:49,106 Tom Cruise was the guy. 1552 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,324 Miscavige and Cruise had been pretty buddy-buddy, 1553 01:18:53,441 --> 01:18:56,443 way back to "Days of Thunder." 1554 01:18:56,578 --> 01:19:00,499 He was on the set with him, he went skydiving with him, 1555 01:19:00,616 --> 01:19:03,868 was hangin' out with him all the time. 1556 01:19:04,003 --> 01:19:06,570 And that was when Tom first met Nicole. 1557 01:19:06,670 --> 01:19:09,037 He had really fallen for her. 1558 01:19:09,154 --> 01:19:10,372 They got married, 1559 01:19:10,489 --> 01:19:13,458 and this posed a dilemma for the church, 1560 01:19:13,593 --> 01:19:14,961 because her father 1561 01:19:15,095 --> 01:19:19,182 is a well-known psychologist in Australia. 1562 01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:21,466 From the church's perspective, he's the enemy. 1563 01:19:21,601 --> 01:19:23,435 He's a suppressive person. 1564 01:19:23,553 --> 01:19:25,103 How could you ignore me like this? 1565 01:19:25,221 --> 01:19:26,855 Because Nicole is still 1566 01:19:26,974 --> 01:19:29,442 in a relationship with her father, 1567 01:19:29,559 --> 01:19:31,759 that makes her dangerous. 1568 01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:35,312 She's a Potential Trouble Source, PTS. 1569 01:19:35,446 --> 01:19:39,114 And because Tom is related to her, 1570 01:19:39,232 --> 01:19:42,570 this all causes trouble from the church's perspective. 1571 01:19:42,704 --> 01:19:44,487 You have to break that dynamic. 1572 01:19:44,622 --> 01:19:47,607 Nicole... her biggest beef 1573 01:19:47,708 --> 01:19:52,328 was that Tom was becoming increasingly like Dave. 1574 01:19:52,462 --> 01:19:55,113 She really got him to drift away from the church, 1575 01:19:55,214 --> 01:19:59,002 and Tom was not really actively involved in Scientology 1576 01:19:59,136 --> 01:20:02,755 between '92-ish all the way up until 2001. 1577 01:20:04,222 --> 01:20:07,892 They were away for more than a year 1578 01:20:08,010 --> 01:20:10,727 shooting "Eyes Wide Shut" in the UK. 1579 01:20:10,846 --> 01:20:14,682 And Cruise was not in touch with Miscavige, 1580 01:20:14,816 --> 01:20:17,067 and this drove Miscavige crazy. 1581 01:20:17,184 --> 01:20:19,804 I was assigned to, um, get him back in. 1582 01:20:19,905 --> 01:20:23,106 And that was coincident with, and... and I was to facilitate 1583 01:20:23,223 --> 01:20:25,442 the breakup with Nicole Kidman. 1584 01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:27,362 And how'd you do that? 1585 01:20:27,494 --> 01:20:29,997 Uh, well, through a lot of auditing. 1586 01:20:30,114 --> 01:20:33,615 And every session I ever gave to Tom Cruise... 1587 01:20:33,732 --> 01:20:37,704 and there was dozens upon dozens of them over a three-year period... 1588 01:20:37,837 --> 01:20:39,487 I had to write detailed reports 1589 01:20:39,588 --> 01:20:42,008 and send them directly to David Miscavige. 1590 01:20:42,124 --> 01:20:44,427 I would sit there every night with our Scotch 1591 01:20:44,544 --> 01:20:46,761 and watch and listen to Miscavige comment 1592 01:20:46,879 --> 01:20:50,465 about Cruise's sex life, and what... yeah, 1593 01:20:50,582 --> 01:20:52,301 how perverted he was. 1594 01:20:52,418 --> 01:20:56,003 Why is he gettin' daily reports on Cruise? 1595 01:20:56,104 --> 01:20:58,522 Miscavige really wanted to get him back 1596 01:20:58,639 --> 01:21:00,191 into being somebody that he could use 1597 01:21:00,308 --> 01:21:04,061 to lure people into Scientology and increase his own status. 1598 01:21:04,195 --> 01:21:06,896 And I was also involved in the legal team 1599 01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:11,868 and actually hiring investigators to investigate Nicole. 1600 01:21:11,986 --> 01:21:13,536 Men have to stick it in every place they can, 1601 01:21:13,653 --> 01:21:15,572 but for women... women, it is just about 1602 01:21:15,707 --> 01:21:17,489 security and commitment... 1603 01:21:17,606 --> 01:21:19,792 Tom wanted to know exactly who she was talking to, 1604 01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:22,628 and so he wanted to tap her phone. 1605 01:21:22,745 --> 01:21:26,546 If you men only knew. 1606 01:21:26,664 --> 01:21:28,049 When I reported that day to Miscavige, 1607 01:21:28,167 --> 01:21:31,368 I reported it, like, "I mean, he wants to tap her phone." 1608 01:21:31,469 --> 01:21:33,671 He said, "God damn it, get it done." 1609 01:21:33,788 --> 01:21:37,508 And so I arranged, through the Scientology's consigliere, 1610 01:21:37,625 --> 01:21:40,142 to get a private investigator 1611 01:21:40,259 --> 01:21:42,729 who physically installed a wiretap on her home. 1612 01:21:42,847 --> 01:21:44,713 And those tapes would come in, 1613 01:21:44,814 --> 01:21:48,184 and I forwarded them to Dave Miscavige. 1614 01:21:48,318 --> 01:21:50,687 The church then turned its attention 1615 01:21:50,804 --> 01:21:54,989 to their adopted children, to turn them against their mother 1616 01:21:55,107 --> 01:21:58,076 and make sure that the custody went to Tom. 1617 01:22:00,496 --> 01:22:04,248 Tommy Davis, he was my liaison 1618 01:22:04,366 --> 01:22:07,586 who had to do all the things that are required 1619 01:22:07,703 --> 01:22:09,003 to please Tom Cruise 1620 01:22:09,121 --> 01:22:11,757 while he was being put through the Scientology hoops by me. 1621 01:22:11,873 --> 01:22:16,293 He also was part of this whole reeducation program, 1622 01:22:16,426 --> 01:22:19,464 so that they would conclude that their mother 1623 01:22:19,598 --> 01:22:21,965 was a suppressive person. 1624 01:22:22,098 --> 01:22:24,184 And that was successful. 1625 01:22:24,301 --> 01:22:26,102 It was all going according to plan. 1626 01:22:26,219 --> 01:22:28,854 And of course, Miscavige would really 1627 01:22:28,972 --> 01:22:31,640 pump the oxygen into that little fire, you know. 1628 01:22:31,775 --> 01:22:36,095 Miscavige was brilliant at flaming people's fears, 1629 01:22:36,196 --> 01:22:38,230 and building up their egos. 1630 01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:42,984 So you were being audited by Marty 1631 01:22:43,118 --> 01:22:45,120 at the same time he was auditing Cruise? 1632 01:22:45,237 --> 01:22:47,438 Oh, yeah, yeah, I was... yeah, Tom Cruise. 1633 01:22:47,539 --> 01:22:49,957 Tom would go in, and I would go in, and Tom would go in, 1634 01:22:50,074 --> 01:22:52,627 and I would go in, and so, you know... 1635 01:22:52,744 --> 01:22:55,628 And I had been audited by the best auditors on the planet. 1636 01:22:55,745 --> 01:22:57,914 The best auditor, hands down, 1637 01:22:58,031 --> 01:23:00,501 I mean, like... like kinda Michael Jordan, 1638 01:23:00,635 --> 01:23:03,169 Wayne Gretsky, kinda auditor is Marty. 1639 01:23:06,924 --> 01:23:08,808 They stole him, you know? 1640 01:23:08,925 --> 01:23:11,960 Tom thinks he's supposed to be David Miscavige. 1641 01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:16,314 By 2004, Tom Cruise was the most gung-ho Scientologist in the world, 1642 01:23:16,432 --> 01:23:18,517 and Miscavige wanted to recognize him for it. 1643 01:23:18,651 --> 01:23:21,302 He called it the Freedom Medal of Valor 1644 01:23:21,403 --> 01:23:24,855 and they put together this 35-minute video. 1645 01:23:24,989 --> 01:23:29,776 IAS Freedom Medal of Valor winner, Tom Cruise! 1646 01:23:29,893 --> 01:23:32,145 In it, they just pump up this idea 1647 01:23:32,246 --> 01:23:36,835 that Tom Cruise is the ambassador of Scientology to the world. 1648 01:23:36,952 --> 01:23:39,537 He's known as the biggest movie star ever. 1649 01:23:39,670 --> 01:23:41,320 Tom Cruise travels this world, 1650 01:23:41,421 --> 01:23:43,489 meeting with ministers, ambassadors, 1651 01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:45,090 and the American State Department, 1652 01:23:45,208 --> 01:23:50,130 advancing LRH technology straight into the corridors of power. 1653 01:23:50,264 --> 01:23:51,796 It's about improving conditions. 1654 01:23:51,914 --> 01:23:53,968 It allows you to find out for yourself. 1655 01:23:54,084 --> 01:23:55,466 There's things that we can do to help. 1656 01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,268 They even did a calculation, 1657 01:23:57,385 --> 01:23:59,437 where they figured between his films 1658 01:23:59,554 --> 01:24:01,505 and all the "opinion leaders" that he had met 1659 01:24:01,606 --> 01:24:03,141 and all the travel he had done... 1660 01:24:03,258 --> 01:24:06,028 - Tom Cruise has introduced - LRH technology 1661 01:24:06,145 --> 01:24:09,678 to over one billion people of Earth. 1662 01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:12,983 No question, he has been a huge asset to them. 1663 01:24:13,116 --> 01:24:15,684 Which is why the story of Tom Cruise, 1664 01:24:15,785 --> 01:24:20,824 Scientologist, has only just begun. 1665 01:24:20,941 --> 01:24:22,858 I think it's a privilege to call yourself a Scientologist, 1666 01:24:22,959 --> 01:24:24,709 and it's something that you have to earn. 1667 01:24:24,825 --> 01:24:26,661 Scientology loves to use this word "end phenomena." 1668 01:24:26,778 --> 01:24:29,547 Every level has an end phenomena, 1669 01:24:29,665 --> 01:24:30,883 you know, that you attain, 1670 01:24:31,050 --> 01:24:33,918 and Tom Cruise shows that. 1671 01:24:34,052 --> 01:24:36,421 That video with him in the black turtleneck sweater? 1672 01:24:36,555 --> 01:24:38,223 A scientologist is someone who can look at the world 1673 01:24:38,341 --> 01:24:40,374 and really see what it is. 1674 01:24:40,475 --> 01:24:43,510 Not only look at it and see it, but be able to go, 1675 01:24:43,627 --> 01:24:46,763 poof, and be effective, and do something about it. 1676 01:24:46,930 --> 01:24:49,683 And he's as arrogant and as untouchable 1677 01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,102 as could possibly be. 1678 01:24:51,235 --> 01:24:54,238 At the same time, he looks like an utter crazy paranoiac. 1679 01:24:56,472 --> 01:25:01,028 And, uh... I know... you know, she... 1680 01:25:01,145 --> 01:25:04,697 They, said, "So, like have you met an SP?" 1681 01:25:09,151 --> 01:25:11,869 And I looked at her, 1682 01:25:11,986 --> 01:25:14,839 and I thought, "Oh, what a beautiful thing," 1683 01:25:14,956 --> 01:25:17,542 because maybe one day, it'll be like that. 1684 01:25:17,659 --> 01:25:19,677 You know what I'm saying? Maybe one day, 1685 01:25:19,794 --> 01:25:22,546 it will be that... "Wow. SP's?" 1686 01:25:22,663 --> 01:25:24,131 Like, they'll just read about those 1687 01:25:24,265 --> 01:25:26,082 in the history books, you know? 1688 01:25:26,183 --> 01:25:27,968 That's where it takes you. 1689 01:25:28,102 --> 01:25:31,605 That's the end phenomena of the Scientology Bridge. 1690 01:25:31,723 --> 01:25:33,725 All Scientologists are full of shit. 1691 01:25:33,842 --> 01:25:35,892 You know, they lie. "Aw, I'm doing great! 1692 01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:37,776 "You gotta get on seven." 1693 01:25:37,893 --> 01:25:39,778 You know, and they're fucking... 1694 01:25:39,895 --> 01:25:42,196 "I've got a fucking migraine right now, 1695 01:25:42,315 --> 01:25:45,033 "and I've never felt so shitty!" 1696 01:25:45,151 --> 01:25:47,436 You know, that's the fucking life. 1697 01:25:49,871 --> 01:25:52,773 There's nothing part of the way for me! 1698 01:25:55,026 --> 01:25:56,543 It's just... whoo! 1699 01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:58,379 He drank the Kool-Aid. 1700 01:25:58,496 --> 01:26:00,883 And in the eyes of Miscavige, 1701 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,468 Tom Cruise is the perfect Scientology celebrity. 1702 01:26:05,637 --> 01:26:08,337 And nobody's benefited more from his membership. 1703 01:26:08,471 --> 01:26:11,006 I mean, the amount of free Sea Org labor. 1704 01:26:11,140 --> 01:26:14,459 - Sea Org members make - 40 cents an hour, 1705 01:26:14,561 --> 01:26:16,262 and I don't think there's any way 1706 01:26:16,379 --> 01:26:18,063 Tom Cruise is not aware of that. 1707 01:26:18,181 --> 01:26:19,432 The church has done so much for him. 1708 01:26:19,549 --> 01:26:21,650 They tricked out all his cars and his motorcycles. 1709 01:26:21,768 --> 01:26:25,104 "Oh, I want a new limo." "We'll build it for you." 1710 01:26:25,221 --> 01:26:28,240 Decked out Tom Cruise's hangar in Santa Monica. 1711 01:26:28,358 --> 01:26:32,326 Installed all the audiovisual stuff in Cruise's home. 1712 01:26:32,443 --> 01:26:34,661 Tom Cruise had expressed this fantasy 1713 01:26:34,780 --> 01:26:37,999 of wanting to run through a meadow with Nicole Kidman. 1714 01:26:38,116 --> 01:26:40,334 And so everybody had to work, and till the soil. 1715 01:26:40,451 --> 01:26:42,619 And then David Miscavige didn't like it, 1716 01:26:42,787 --> 01:26:45,189 and so the whole thing had to be ripped up again. 1717 01:26:45,307 --> 01:26:47,506 This was at the Gold facility, 1718 01:26:47,624 --> 01:26:49,175 which is this desert facility, 1719 01:26:49,292 --> 01:26:51,594 where this is all kinds of great stuff, 1720 01:26:51,711 --> 01:26:53,179 if you're Tom Cruise, you know? 1721 01:26:53,381 --> 01:26:54,881 Wonderful living quarters and a gym. 1722 01:26:55,016 --> 01:26:57,551 When Cruise comes up, everyone's told in advance, 1723 01:26:57,685 --> 01:26:59,501 "You better have a fucking smile on your face." 1724 01:26:59,602 --> 01:27:01,603 Everyone had to call Cruise "sir." 1725 01:27:24,542 --> 01:27:27,411 Thank you. 1726 01:27:27,545 --> 01:27:29,379 It's this side-by-side world. 1727 01:27:29,496 --> 01:27:31,580 There are celebrities like Cruise and Travolta, 1728 01:27:31,715 --> 01:27:33,082 and then, you know, there are people 1729 01:27:33,215 --> 01:27:36,386 who tell terrible tales of what happened to them in the church... 1730 01:27:36,503 --> 01:27:40,922 being imprisoned and really horrible psychological games. 1731 01:27:43,292 --> 01:27:45,509 Tom was in Spain. 1732 01:27:45,626 --> 01:27:49,765 They were opening up a new Scientology church in Madrid. 1733 01:27:49,899 --> 01:27:52,434 And he was overheard to complain 1734 01:27:52,569 --> 01:27:54,403 that he needed a new girlfriend. 1735 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,405 Soon after that, a young Scientologist premed student 1736 01:27:58,522 --> 01:28:01,491 named Nazanin Boniadi... she was told 1737 01:28:01,608 --> 01:28:04,159 that she was going to get a special assignment. 1738 01:28:04,277 --> 01:28:05,894 ...number of transactions increase... 1739 01:28:05,995 --> 01:28:08,832 Years later, Nazanin became a successful TV actress 1740 01:28:08,949 --> 01:28:12,252 and she would have a small part in a Paul Haggis film. 1741 01:28:12,369 --> 01:28:15,170 But at the time, she was a dedicated young Scientologist 1742 01:28:15,288 --> 01:28:17,239 who believed in the Church's claims 1743 01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:19,207 for its humanitarian mission. 1744 01:28:19,324 --> 01:28:21,511 In fact, she set a monthly record 1745 01:28:21,628 --> 01:28:24,762 for selling books for the church. 1746 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,248 Nazanin may not speak publicly about her experiences 1747 01:28:28,349 --> 01:28:31,269 because of an NDA the church pressured her to sign, 1748 01:28:31,385 --> 01:28:34,588 but I discovered details from FBI testimony 1749 01:28:34,689 --> 01:28:36,858 regarding her ordeal. 1750 01:28:36,975 --> 01:28:39,393 David Miscavige assigned Nazanin's case 1751 01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:42,028 to a key church official, Greg Wilhere. 1752 01:28:42,145 --> 01:28:44,196 He put her through a one-month program 1753 01:28:44,314 --> 01:28:49,068 of on-camera interviews, intensive auditing, and security checks. 1754 01:28:49,185 --> 01:28:51,288 She was moved into the Celebrity Center, 1755 01:28:51,405 --> 01:28:54,774 separated from her family, and certain problems were addressed 1756 01:28:54,875 --> 01:28:56,373 during this period of time. 1757 01:28:56,491 --> 01:28:58,708 One was, she had a boyfriend. 1758 01:28:58,825 --> 01:29:02,664 She is handed a transcript of his auditing session, 1759 01:29:02,798 --> 01:29:05,116 in which he admitted that he had an affair. 1760 01:29:05,217 --> 01:29:07,169 And so she broke up with him. 1761 01:29:07,303 --> 01:29:09,504 Then Wilhere took her to an orthodontist 1762 01:29:09,638 --> 01:29:10,754 to have her braces removed. 1763 01:29:10,871 --> 01:29:12,922 At Burberry and other stores in Beverly Hills, 1764 01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:16,625 he bought her $20,000 worth of clothes. 1765 01:29:16,726 --> 01:29:18,980 At the Celebrity Centre, a man who worked 1766 01:29:19,096 --> 01:29:20,564 for Cruise's hair stylist 1767 01:29:20,681 --> 01:29:23,633 colored Nazanin's hair to Cruise's liking. 1768 01:29:23,734 --> 01:29:25,651 Nazanin was told that her makeover 1769 01:29:25,769 --> 01:29:28,519 was a part of the church's humanitarian mission. 1770 01:29:28,653 --> 01:29:32,973 She had to look her best for conferences with world leaders. 1771 01:29:35,444 --> 01:29:38,647 Only after she was flown first class to New York 1772 01:29:38,748 --> 01:29:40,532 did she discover the actual role 1773 01:29:40,666 --> 01:29:42,867 that the church wanted her to play. 1774 01:29:43,001 --> 01:29:47,621 She was to be the girlfriend of Scientology's biggest star. 1775 01:29:49,207 --> 01:29:52,342 Within a month, Nazanin was living with Cruise. 1776 01:29:52,459 --> 01:29:54,294 While at his house in Telluride, 1777 01:29:54,411 --> 01:29:55,762 Miscavige came to visit. 1778 01:29:55,879 --> 01:29:57,930 Overcome by a severe headache, 1779 01:29:58,047 --> 01:30:00,835 Nazanin had a hard time understanding Miscavige, 1780 01:30:00,951 --> 01:30:02,367 which infuriated him. 1781 01:30:02,485 --> 01:30:04,837 The next day, Cruise, inches from her face, 1782 01:30:04,938 --> 01:30:07,690 pounded his fist on the table and screamed at her 1783 01:30:07,808 --> 01:30:09,975 for insulting the head of the church. 1784 01:30:10,092 --> 01:30:12,344 Two weeks later, church henchman Tommy Davis 1785 01:30:12,445 --> 01:30:14,897 delivered the news to Nazanin... 1786 01:30:15,031 --> 01:30:17,399 the relationship with Cruise was over. 1787 01:30:17,533 --> 01:30:18,734 And they, according to her, 1788 01:30:18,868 --> 01:30:20,952 came to her apartment with her mom 1789 01:30:21,069 --> 01:30:23,820 and found every photograph of the two of them together, 1790 01:30:23,937 --> 01:30:26,791 and took them away. Every scrap, every letter, everything, 1791 01:30:26,908 --> 01:30:29,575 they... as if it never existed. 1792 01:30:29,709 --> 01:30:31,578 And she was really upset, 1793 01:30:31,712 --> 01:30:34,297 because she had been really hurt by the whole thing. 1794 01:30:34,416 --> 01:30:36,865 And she made the mistake of telling her friend, 1795 01:30:36,967 --> 01:30:40,220 who immediately went to tell someone in the church. 1796 01:30:40,337 --> 01:30:42,704 She agreed to do punishments, 1797 01:30:42,805 --> 01:30:44,924 like cleaning out the public bathrooms 1798 01:30:45,059 --> 01:30:48,011 on her hands and knees with a toothbrush, 1799 01:30:48,127 --> 01:30:52,764 while other people she knew were stepping over her. 1800 01:30:52,898 --> 01:30:54,765 She did nothing wrong, other than tell her friend 1801 01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:57,317 that she was heartbroken, and this is the way she was treated? 1802 01:30:59,353 --> 01:31:02,223 - The church claims that - Miscavige has no involvement 1803 01:31:02,324 --> 01:31:04,225 in Cruise's personal life 1804 01:31:04,326 --> 01:31:08,277 and that the search for Cruise's girlfriend never existed. 1805 01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:15,084 I wanna tell you something. 1806 01:31:15,201 --> 01:31:18,754 I have never met a more competent, 1807 01:31:18,872 --> 01:31:21,790 a more intelligent, a more tolerant, 1808 01:31:21,924 --> 01:31:24,074 a more compassionate being, 1809 01:31:24,175 --> 01:31:29,298 outside of what I've experienced from LRH. 1810 01:31:29,432 --> 01:31:32,385 And I've met the leaders of leaders. 1811 01:31:32,502 --> 01:31:34,468 Okay? I've met them all. 1812 01:31:34,602 --> 01:31:35,919 And so I say to you, sir, COB, 1813 01:31:36,020 --> 01:31:38,756 we are lucky to have you and thank you very much. 1814 01:31:40,175 --> 01:31:42,060 While Miscavige would do anything 1815 01:31:42,194 --> 01:31:44,229 for the Church's most famous celebrity, 1816 01:31:44,363 --> 01:31:46,145 Miscavige began to turn against 1817 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,147 the Sea Org's highest-ranking executives. 1818 01:31:49,282 --> 01:31:52,785 He pretty much had international management shut down. 1819 01:31:52,903 --> 01:31:55,070 He was into this deep paranoia thing 1820 01:31:55,187 --> 01:31:56,623 about everybody is out to get him. 1821 01:31:56,740 --> 01:31:59,658 He very definitely 1822 01:31:59,792 --> 01:32:02,278 wiped out that organizational pattern 1823 01:32:02,379 --> 01:32:04,631 in order to be able to have ultimate power. 1824 01:32:04,748 --> 01:32:06,915 In 2004, 1825 01:32:07,032 --> 01:32:09,968 Miscavige ordered the top officers of the Sea Org 1826 01:32:10,086 --> 01:32:12,254 to the Scientology's Gold Base 1827 01:32:12,371 --> 01:32:13,804 in southern California. 1828 01:32:13,922 --> 01:32:16,891 He forced them to live in a pair of double-wide trailers 1829 01:32:17,008 --> 01:32:19,309 that came to be called "The Hole." 1830 01:32:19,426 --> 01:32:21,312 The doors had bars put on them, 1831 01:32:21,429 --> 01:32:23,648 the windows all had bars put on them, 1832 01:32:23,765 --> 01:32:26,067 and there was one entrance door 1833 01:32:26,184 --> 01:32:29,235 that a security guard sat at 24 hours a day. 1834 01:32:29,352 --> 01:32:31,321 They had to stay there, sleep there. 1835 01:32:31,438 --> 01:32:34,740 It stunk and, you know, there were ants crawling around. 1836 01:32:34,857 --> 01:32:37,026 You'd sleep about an hour or two hours a night. 1837 01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,363 Um, you were in such a mental state 1838 01:32:39,496 --> 01:32:42,082 that you're very controllable, very suggestible. 1839 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,650 We were told we needed to come up 1840 01:32:44,751 --> 01:32:47,034 with what each other's crimes were 1841 01:32:47,168 --> 01:32:48,869 against Miscavige and Hubbard, 1842 01:32:49,004 --> 01:32:50,872 so that we could eventually get out of the Hole. 1843 01:32:51,006 --> 01:32:53,291 Scientology is really good 1844 01:32:53,408 --> 01:32:55,677 at making you think that you are a scoundrel. 1845 01:32:55,793 --> 01:32:59,097 "Confess your crimes! Confess your crimes! What have you done?" 1846 01:32:59,214 --> 01:33:00,214 Fights would break out. 1847 01:33:00,349 --> 01:33:03,051 Miscavige would get me all riled up. 1848 01:33:03,183 --> 01:33:05,168 And I remember one time, Mike had done something, 1849 01:33:05,269 --> 01:33:07,021 or not done something, I don't remember, 1850 01:33:07,138 --> 01:33:08,973 and I was supposed to go beat him up. 1851 01:33:09,089 --> 01:33:11,223 One executive was made to mop up 1852 01:33:11,358 --> 01:33:13,141 the bathroom floor with his tongue. 1853 01:33:13,258 --> 01:33:16,011 Another was put into a bucket, 1854 01:33:16,112 --> 01:33:18,980 and pummeled by some of the women, and called a lesbian. 1855 01:33:19,097 --> 01:33:22,034 There was a very powerful air conditioner, 1856 01:33:22,152 --> 01:33:23,519 which blew straight down, 1857 01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:25,620 it was set on maximum cold, 1858 01:33:25,738 --> 01:33:27,791 and a guy was made to sit in a chair, 1859 01:33:27,908 --> 01:33:29,456 and had water poured on his head 1860 01:33:29,574 --> 01:33:32,742 until he literally turned blue. 1861 01:33:32,877 --> 01:33:34,912 Miscavige slapped me across the face, 1862 01:33:35,047 --> 01:33:36,699 knocked me on the ground, kicked me a couple times. 1863 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,966 Flailing fists, kneeing him in the stomach, 1864 01:33:39,083 --> 01:33:40,467 getting him on the floor. 1865 01:33:40,585 --> 01:33:45,035 And you think, you want to get up and retaliate, 1866 01:33:45,136 --> 01:33:48,056 but you also think, "I got 75 other people 1867 01:33:48,174 --> 01:33:52,396 "who are all likely to tackle me if I did"... 1868 01:33:52,513 --> 01:33:56,150 and then you got the sheer shock of it. 1869 01:33:56,267 --> 01:33:57,985 Here's the equivalent of the Pope 1870 01:33:58,101 --> 01:34:00,385 suddenly knocking you on the ground, 1871 01:34:00,486 --> 01:34:01,987 and you're thinking, 1872 01:34:02,104 --> 01:34:05,740 "I must have really screwed up." 1873 01:34:07,775 --> 01:34:09,662 It was a poisonous environment. 1874 01:34:09,780 --> 01:34:11,863 People were really frightened. 1875 01:34:11,998 --> 01:34:14,364 And this went on for years. 1876 01:34:14,481 --> 01:34:16,533 This isn't a couple of days. 1877 01:34:16,667 --> 01:34:19,067 The nominal president of the church, 1878 01:34:19,168 --> 01:34:20,419 this man named Heber Jentszch, 1879 01:34:20,536 --> 01:34:22,088 he was in there for seven years. 1880 01:34:22,206 --> 01:34:23,673 What is the statement? 1881 01:34:23,791 --> 01:34:25,576 "God helps those who help themselves." 1882 01:34:25,677 --> 01:34:27,126 Well, in Scientology, we're engaged 1883 01:34:27,260 --> 01:34:28,845 in helping people help themselves, 1884 01:34:28,962 --> 01:34:32,932 so they can fully comprehend and understand God. 1885 01:34:39,856 --> 01:34:41,606 One night, 1886 01:34:41,723 --> 01:34:44,524 Miscavige comes into the Hole with a boom box. 1887 01:34:44,642 --> 01:34:48,029 He said, "I'm gonna teach you all a lesson. 1888 01:34:48,146 --> 01:34:50,565 "We're all gonna play musical chairs." 1889 01:34:50,682 --> 01:34:52,200 And musical chairs is a Scientology 1890 01:34:52,317 --> 01:34:54,069 administrative term for when you move people 1891 01:34:54,186 --> 01:34:57,487 from different posts rapidly, and you create instability. 1892 01:34:57,621 --> 01:34:58,820 They played the damned music. 1893 01:35:04,078 --> 01:35:05,445 He said, "We're gonna play it 1894 01:35:05,546 --> 01:35:07,630 to 'Bohemian Rhapsody' by Queen." 1895 01:35:07,748 --> 01:35:09,215 And he emphasized the line... 1896 01:35:11,334 --> 01:35:13,668 ..."nothing matters anymore." And that's your whole attitude, 1897 01:35:13,802 --> 01:35:15,386 that's where you live, that's who you are. 1898 01:35:15,503 --> 01:35:16,670 Playing that music, and stop it, 1899 01:35:16,805 --> 01:35:18,255 and everyone would have to grab a chair. 1900 01:35:18,372 --> 01:35:20,292 And there's one person left standing. 1901 01:35:27,984 --> 01:35:29,849 What Miscavige has warned them 1902 01:35:29,983 --> 01:35:33,102 is that the last person who remains gets to stay. 1903 01:35:33,219 --> 01:35:34,470 "Everybody else, you're expelled. 1904 01:35:34,571 --> 01:35:36,190 "You're going to be thrown out of the Sea Org." 1905 01:35:36,323 --> 01:35:40,777 These people were fighting to stay in the Hole. 1906 01:35:40,894 --> 01:35:43,814 Throwing people around, scratching, kicking. 1907 01:35:43,915 --> 01:35:46,783 They're tearing chairs apart, they're ripping clothing. 1908 01:35:46,899 --> 01:35:48,084 And whatever it took. 1909 01:35:54,123 --> 01:35:57,426 But then nothing happens. 1910 01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:05,766 "Out of the goodness of my heart, you can stay. 1911 01:36:05,884 --> 01:36:07,968 "But you better come clean. You better... 1912 01:36:08,085 --> 01:36:10,187 "I better have some good confessions out of you." 1913 01:36:10,305 --> 01:36:13,858 I... I mean, you... you know... 1914 01:36:13,975 --> 01:36:17,061 as much as they get into everything that you ever think or do, 1915 01:36:17,195 --> 01:36:19,612 they never got into my think on this score, 1916 01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:22,031 that I would never go to prison. 1917 01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:25,200 And so it was inevitable, when I got... when I... 1918 01:36:25,318 --> 01:36:27,785 he literally created this prison camp. 1919 01:36:27,903 --> 01:36:31,824 Um, it was inevitable that I wasn't gonna last there. 1920 01:36:37,380 --> 01:36:40,081 It's embarrassing to have ever been involved with, 1921 01:36:40,215 --> 01:36:41,667 to think about it. 1922 01:36:41,784 --> 01:36:43,752 "God, I can't even believe I'm talkin' about it." 1923 01:36:43,886 --> 01:36:45,337 But it was bad. 1924 01:36:48,139 --> 01:36:50,407 - Let's say the FBI - showed up at the Hole, 1925 01:36:50,525 --> 01:36:52,809 and said, "This is the FBI. We're lettin' everyone out." 1926 01:36:52,927 --> 01:36:55,479 Do you think everyone would have said, "Oh, thank God, the FBI's here"? 1927 01:36:55,596 --> 01:36:58,231 No. I think that everybody, one for one, 1928 01:36:58,349 --> 01:37:00,348 would have gone, "What do you mean? 1929 01:37:00,465 --> 01:37:02,569 "We... we're doing this voluntarily. 1930 01:37:02,685 --> 01:37:05,069 "We like living in these conditions." 1931 01:37:05,187 --> 01:37:06,488 Over the past week, 1932 01:37:06,605 --> 01:37:08,272 we've been reporting on allegations of physical abuse 1933 01:37:08,407 --> 01:37:09,691 inside the Church of Scientology. 1934 01:37:09,825 --> 01:37:11,828 We spoke with the ex-wives of some of the men 1935 01:37:11,946 --> 01:37:13,279 making the claims of abuse. 1936 01:37:13,413 --> 01:37:14,997 I read all of your affidavits. 1937 01:37:15,113 --> 01:37:17,032 Obviously, your ex-husbands have made charges 1938 01:37:17,149 --> 01:37:18,499 against David Miscavige, 1939 01:37:18,616 --> 01:37:21,251 saying that they have seen repeated acts of physical violence 1940 01:37:21,369 --> 01:37:22,536 perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige. 1941 01:37:22,653 --> 01:37:24,671 Is... Is any of that true? 1942 01:37:24,789 --> 01:37:27,207 No. No. Not one ounce of it. 1943 01:37:27,324 --> 01:37:29,876 That's not the character of Mr. David Miscavige. 1944 01:37:29,993 --> 01:37:33,213 My ex-wife, Marty Rathbun's ex-wife, 1945 01:37:33,330 --> 01:37:36,933 Tom De Vocht's ex-wife, that were on "Anderson Cooper," 1946 01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:39,268 they all came out of the Hole! 1947 01:37:39,386 --> 01:37:41,854 They were all sent there to do that. 1948 01:37:41,972 --> 01:37:44,107 They went back to the Hole! 1949 01:37:44,225 --> 01:37:45,892 It's just ridiculous. 1950 01:37:46,009 --> 01:37:48,394 This line that my ex-wife said... 1951 01:37:48,511 --> 01:37:51,445 I lived with Mike Rinder for over 35 years. 1952 01:37:51,562 --> 01:37:53,731 I know every square inch of Mike Rinder's body. 1953 01:37:53,848 --> 01:37:56,567 She said it because she was told to say it by Miscavige. 1954 01:37:56,684 --> 01:37:59,703 And the proof of that is, when Tom De Vocht's ex-wife 1955 01:37:59,821 --> 01:38:03,573 then repeated the same thing over again... 1956 01:38:03,690 --> 01:38:05,625 I know every inch of him. 1957 01:38:05,742 --> 01:38:07,410 You gotta be kidding me! 1958 01:38:07,527 --> 01:38:08,545 Everything that happens 1959 01:38:08,662 --> 01:38:10,414 from the Church of Scientology is scripted. 1960 01:38:10,531 --> 01:38:12,466 Don't ever turn the other cheek and acquiesce, 1961 01:38:12,584 --> 01:38:14,251 hit 'em back. 1962 01:38:14,367 --> 01:38:18,471 Marty Rathbun suddenly went and leapt on top of Mike Rinder 1963 01:38:18,588 --> 01:38:20,253 and fought him to the ground 1964 01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:22,807 and started choking him and beating him. 1965 01:38:22,924 --> 01:38:24,810 And nothing seems to have been done about it. 1966 01:38:24,927 --> 01:38:26,728 Mr. Miscavige was not at the property at the time. 1967 01:38:26,846 --> 01:38:28,230 Do you not have telephones? 1968 01:38:28,347 --> 01:38:29,766 Of course we have telephones. 1969 01:38:29,883 --> 01:38:32,098 I think you're being quite rude and quite insulting. 1970 01:38:32,215 --> 01:38:34,301 Here's the bottom line. Here's the bottom line... 1971 01:38:34,402 --> 01:38:36,854 there is no history of violence in the church. 1972 01:38:36,987 --> 01:38:39,773 As somebody who ran PR for the church for a long time, 1973 01:38:39,890 --> 01:38:43,413 do you have any regret for anything that you did in that capacity? 1974 01:38:43,530 --> 01:38:45,863 Well, I think the biggest regret 1975 01:38:45,997 --> 01:38:50,332 is when John Sweeney at "Panorama" was doing his program, 1976 01:38:50,450 --> 01:38:52,703 it was the culmination of a lot... 1977 01:38:52,836 --> 01:38:55,120 I mean, I'd been in the Hole for a year. 1978 01:38:55,237 --> 01:38:58,207 And I ended up being sent to England. 1979 01:38:58,342 --> 01:39:00,792 Hi, Mike. He was constantly going, 1980 01:39:00,909 --> 01:39:04,296 "Well, why do you have private investigators following me?" 1981 01:39:04,413 --> 01:39:06,431 I'm like... That never happened! 1982 01:39:06,548 --> 01:39:07,999 Ever, ever happened! 1983 01:39:08,102 --> 01:39:09,551 And of course there were. 1984 01:39:09,686 --> 01:39:11,352 I was following John Sweeney. 1985 01:39:11,470 --> 01:39:14,056 Oh, there it is. 1986 01:39:14,190 --> 01:39:17,023 Okay, there we are. 1987 01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:18,726 He's got his camera, 1988 01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:20,527 he's standing there and he's saying, 1989 01:39:20,644 --> 01:39:23,981 "I want a response. I have credible witnesses. 1990 01:39:24,098 --> 01:39:28,285 "Did David Miscavige physically assault you?" 1991 01:39:28,402 --> 01:39:29,535 And I said... 1992 01:39:29,652 --> 01:39:34,040 Those allegations are absolute, utter rubbish. 1993 01:39:34,207 --> 01:39:36,827 Absolute, utter rubbish. 1994 01:39:36,944 --> 01:39:38,712 You have been assaulted by Miscavige? 1995 01:39:38,828 --> 01:39:41,131 Many times, many times. 1996 01:39:41,248 --> 01:39:44,164 Perhaps more than anybody else. 1997 01:39:44,281 --> 01:39:48,385 I was now sort of 1998 01:39:48,503 --> 01:39:51,388 at the end of my rope. 1999 01:39:52,925 --> 01:39:56,178 It was a real moment of clarity for me... 2000 01:39:56,295 --> 01:39:58,545 "I don't want to be doing this anymore. 2001 01:39:58,646 --> 01:40:00,598 "This is nuts!" 2002 01:40:00,733 --> 01:40:05,319 That was actually the last thing that I did before I left. 2003 01:40:15,478 --> 01:40:19,447 So I'd been in Scientology about two and a half years. 2004 01:40:19,581 --> 01:40:21,701 I am kickin' ass. 2005 01:40:21,817 --> 01:40:25,337 I felt like I had gotten out of the fuckin' trap. 2006 01:40:25,454 --> 01:40:28,039 I didn't have to have a problem. 2007 01:40:28,174 --> 01:40:30,376 I said, "I'm done with auditing." 2008 01:40:30,493 --> 01:40:33,345 But they insisted on gettin' me back, 2009 01:40:33,462 --> 01:40:36,098 and said just, "Believe us, believe us, believe us." 2010 01:40:36,215 --> 01:40:38,849 I got so fucked up. 2011 01:40:38,967 --> 01:40:41,751 I mean, they... they... I went insane. 2012 01:40:41,852 --> 01:40:44,804 I was, like, stuck somewhere 2013 01:40:44,938 --> 01:40:47,605 in a tiny spot behind my eyeballs, 2014 01:40:47,722 --> 01:40:50,477 looking this way. 2015 01:40:50,611 --> 01:40:53,980 I mean, I... I'd never experienced anything like it. 2016 01:40:54,114 --> 01:40:56,865 10 fuckin' years! 2017 01:40:57,866 --> 01:41:01,369 I was worse than the day that I walked in. 2018 01:41:01,486 --> 01:41:04,205 It was by design, 'cause they needed to... 2019 01:41:04,322 --> 01:41:06,207 to keep me in there. 2020 01:41:06,324 --> 01:41:07,910 So basically, they had to 2021 01:41:08,027 --> 01:41:10,577 put a whole new case on me, so they could run it. 2022 01:41:10,693 --> 01:41:14,132 And they just kept tryin' to fuckin' keep me stuck in. 2023 01:41:14,249 --> 01:41:15,615 It was crazy! 2024 01:41:15,733 --> 01:41:20,753 So I finally said, "I'm going my way. You guys go yours." 2025 01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:24,641 I was pissed. I was sad. I was disillusioned. 2026 01:41:24,757 --> 01:41:27,894 And I thought, "Maybe somebody could interview me, 2027 01:41:28,012 --> 01:41:30,630 "ask me some questions about Scientology." 2028 01:41:30,731 --> 01:41:34,800 How I got into Scientology, and why I got out. 2029 01:41:34,901 --> 01:41:36,601 Post this two-hour thing, 2030 01:41:36,718 --> 01:41:39,436 and it was the #1 thing on YouTube for two days 2031 01:41:39,570 --> 01:41:41,472 before it "mysteriously" disappeared. 2032 01:41:41,573 --> 01:41:42,691 The best traps... 2033 01:41:42,826 --> 01:41:45,277 you get a guy to just keep himself in jail. 2034 01:41:45,394 --> 01:41:48,445 Right? And that's what Scientology does. 2035 01:41:48,562 --> 01:41:50,948 I started getting all this communication 2036 01:41:51,065 --> 01:41:52,583 because of that video. 2037 01:41:52,699 --> 01:41:55,652 You know, "You saved my family." 2038 01:41:55,753 --> 01:41:57,621 You know, "You've... I finally had the courage 2039 01:41:57,738 --> 01:41:59,823 "to leave after I watched your thing." 2040 01:41:59,924 --> 01:42:04,461 You know? I mean, like, there's blood and tears. 2041 01:42:04,596 --> 01:42:06,513 And then I started to find out, 2042 01:42:06,631 --> 01:42:08,830 you know, all the stuff that was really happening. 2043 01:42:08,931 --> 01:42:10,966 You know, I lost money, I got fucked, 2044 01:42:11,083 --> 01:42:14,335 but then I found out about the abuse in the Sea Org. 2045 01:42:14,436 --> 01:42:17,336 And I felt like, "Fuck me, I gotta do somethin' about it." 2046 01:42:17,437 --> 01:42:20,109 And I finally tracked down Marty Rathbun. 2047 01:42:20,227 --> 01:42:21,843 Everybody thought he was dead. 2048 01:42:21,943 --> 01:42:24,311 He was in fuckin' Mexico. And I went down there, 2049 01:42:24,428 --> 01:42:26,346 and I basically convinced him to talk. 2050 01:42:26,447 --> 01:42:28,182 And, like, "We gotta do somethin'." 2051 01:42:28,284 --> 01:42:29,817 And then he started his blog. 2052 01:42:33,937 --> 01:42:35,787 There was a beating every day. 2053 01:42:35,904 --> 01:42:37,122 And if it wasn't him doin' it, 2054 01:42:37,241 --> 01:42:41,044 it was from him inciting others to do it to others. 2055 01:42:41,161 --> 01:42:42,879 I think that it's a cult. 2056 01:42:42,996 --> 01:42:45,299 I'm doin' my own thing, I want to get on with my life. 2057 01:42:45,416 --> 01:42:47,165 I am telling the truth. 2058 01:42:47,282 --> 01:42:49,418 Suddenly I heard senior members of the church 2059 01:42:49,552 --> 01:42:51,036 were speaking out, 2060 01:42:51,137 --> 01:42:54,673 so I started to look, and I started to read. 2061 01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:56,675 And then I started to reach out to people. 2062 01:42:56,792 --> 01:42:59,846 Two of my daughters are gay, and told me 2063 01:42:59,963 --> 01:43:03,230 how they'd been treated within the church. I didn't know. 2064 01:43:03,397 --> 01:43:06,066 Paul Haggis's daughters were openly harassed 2065 01:43:06,234 --> 01:43:08,150 by church members for being gay. 2066 01:43:08,268 --> 01:43:10,353 Investigating further, Haggis discovered 2067 01:43:10,471 --> 01:43:13,491 that church doctrine viewed homosexuality as a disease 2068 01:43:13,608 --> 01:43:16,160 that only Hubbard's teachings could cure. 2069 01:43:16,278 --> 01:43:18,328 And a California chapter of Scientology 2070 01:43:18,445 --> 01:43:21,497 had supported a ban on gay marriage. 2071 01:43:21,614 --> 01:43:23,700 I can't be part of an organization 2072 01:43:23,817 --> 01:43:27,002 that doesn't support 2073 01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,255 human rights for everyone. 2074 01:43:31,674 --> 01:43:34,925 So I sent a letter to 25 friends in the church 2075 01:43:35,042 --> 01:43:36,678 that I was resigning. 2076 01:43:36,795 --> 01:43:39,129 And I'd hoped they'd read this letter 2077 01:43:39,263 --> 01:43:43,550 and be horrified by the things I'd found out. 2078 01:43:47,687 --> 01:43:50,057 A few days later, I drive home. 2079 01:43:50,174 --> 01:43:52,309 There have to be 10 people standing in my front yard. 2080 01:43:52,443 --> 01:43:54,696 I recognize them. They're my friends. 2081 01:43:54,813 --> 01:43:57,597 They said, "Paul, we need you to tear up this letter. 2082 01:43:57,698 --> 01:43:59,815 "And we need you to get all the copies and tear them up, 2083 01:43:59,950 --> 01:44:01,785 "and resign quietly." 2084 01:44:01,901 --> 01:44:03,902 I said, "I don't do that." You know? 2085 01:44:04,019 --> 01:44:05,436 "I'm sorry. I don't do that." 2086 01:44:05,536 --> 01:44:08,207 I sent a copy to Marty Rathbun. 2087 01:44:08,325 --> 01:44:10,826 He put it on his blog, one page on a day, 2088 01:44:10,962 --> 01:44:13,996 and didn't reveal my name until the Friday. 2089 01:44:14,130 --> 01:44:16,048 Monday morning, I woke up. 2090 01:44:16,166 --> 01:44:20,117 600 of the top newspapers of the world had it. 2091 01:44:20,217 --> 01:44:22,302 You know, it was in Bulgaria. 2092 01:44:22,419 --> 01:44:26,257 I mean, it was reprinted in seven languages. 2093 01:44:26,374 --> 01:44:28,760 I went, "Oh my God, what have I done?" 2094 01:44:28,877 --> 01:44:32,228 I mean... it did garner a lot of interest. 2095 01:44:32,346 --> 01:44:33,844 People will judge you, one way or the other. 2096 01:44:33,980 --> 01:44:37,299 I figured people would judge me as really stupid. 2097 01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,634 But then, I was really stupid. 2098 01:44:39,735 --> 01:44:44,307 I was a part of this for 30 years before I spoke out. 2099 01:44:44,424 --> 01:44:47,993 I felt deeply ashamed. 2100 01:44:48,110 --> 01:44:51,946 Why didn't I do it earlier? Why didn't I look earlier? 2101 01:44:54,949 --> 01:44:58,118 People are so indoctrinated, 2102 01:44:58,236 --> 01:45:01,622 and have been in Scientology a really long, long time. 2103 01:45:01,739 --> 01:45:04,625 Or they've grown up in it, and they don't know anything else. 2104 01:45:04,741 --> 01:45:09,629 It's so scary to them to have to start all over, 2105 01:45:09,747 --> 01:45:12,165 and it takes a really strong person 2106 01:45:12,266 --> 01:45:14,351 to stand up to them and say no. 2107 01:45:16,102 --> 01:45:18,003 In 2009, 2108 01:45:18,104 --> 01:45:21,690 my son was on staff at the church. 2109 01:45:21,808 --> 01:45:24,442 And "The Truth Rundown" came out in the "St. Pete Times," 2110 01:45:24,559 --> 01:45:27,011 exposing what was going on 2111 01:45:27,112 --> 01:45:31,032 with the beatings, people in the Hole. 2112 01:45:31,149 --> 01:45:32,567 The church was very mad at my son, 2113 01:45:32,701 --> 01:45:34,401 because he knew it was going to happen, 2114 01:45:34,535 --> 01:45:36,319 and he didn't tell them. 2115 01:45:36,436 --> 01:45:38,956 And he didn't tell them because he had a good friend 2116 01:45:39,073 --> 01:45:41,293 that became friends with Mike Rinder 2117 01:45:41,410 --> 01:45:43,210 and Marty Rathbun, 2118 01:45:43,327 --> 01:45:46,579 and he believed what they were saying in "The Truth Rundown." 2119 01:45:48,966 --> 01:45:50,999 The church was threatening, 2120 01:45:51,116 --> 01:45:53,835 that he was gonna get declared a Suppressive Person 2121 01:45:53,952 --> 01:45:57,255 if he didn't disconnect from his friend. 2122 01:45:57,389 --> 01:45:59,841 My son, he was raised a Scientologist, 2123 01:45:59,958 --> 01:46:02,229 you know, and he'd been on staff. 2124 01:46:02,346 --> 01:46:04,094 He made 30 bucks a week. 2125 01:46:04,228 --> 01:46:05,930 He headed up their Boy Scout troop. 2126 01:46:06,065 --> 01:46:09,684 He was like this consummate youth of Scientology. 2127 01:46:09,802 --> 01:46:13,771 The continental justice chief called him on the phone. 2128 01:46:13,905 --> 01:46:16,224 And it was after that the declare came down, 2129 01:46:16,325 --> 01:46:18,909 and he was just devastated. 2130 01:46:19,025 --> 01:46:22,829 The church told his friends everything they could find 2131 01:46:22,946 --> 01:46:26,949 in his PC folder to ruin his reputation. 2132 01:46:27,084 --> 01:46:29,701 I wrote this petition. 2133 01:46:29,819 --> 01:46:34,507 I tried to put in everything good that my son had done. 2134 01:46:34,624 --> 01:46:36,092 "Dear Sarah, Thank you for the letter 2135 01:46:36,210 --> 01:46:39,212 "that you sent regarding the situation with Nick Lister. 2136 01:46:39,329 --> 01:46:44,249 "I cannot approve that you continue your connection with Nick." 2137 01:46:44,350 --> 01:46:47,218 No one's gonna tell me when I can and can't speak to him. 2138 01:46:47,335 --> 01:46:50,353 No one, but me. 2139 01:46:50,471 --> 01:46:53,523 "Your committee of evidence findings and recommendations 2140 01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,359 "recommended you be labeled suppressive, 2141 01:46:56,477 --> 01:46:59,145 "engaging in malicious rumor mongering 2142 01:46:59,279 --> 01:47:02,782 "to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers 2143 01:47:02,900 --> 01:47:06,119 "or the leading names of Scientology." 2144 01:47:06,236 --> 01:47:08,287 My husband was charged with that one, 2145 01:47:08,404 --> 01:47:09,906 because he was telling me 2146 01:47:10,023 --> 01:47:12,942 what he read on the Internet about David Miscavige. 2147 01:47:13,043 --> 01:47:15,328 They say, "Don't go on the Internet, don't read. 2148 01:47:15,461 --> 01:47:16,745 "Don't go to these sites." 2149 01:47:16,862 --> 01:47:20,281 From the time that I got in, 2150 01:47:20,382 --> 01:47:24,001 for 30 years, I never read one critical thing about Scientology. 2151 01:47:24,135 --> 01:47:26,720 When I finally decided to open my eyes and look, 2152 01:47:26,837 --> 01:47:29,006 I was shocked, just shocked. 2153 01:47:29,141 --> 01:47:31,126 But if you're a member of the Church of Scientology, 2154 01:47:31,227 --> 01:47:34,979 and someone in your family, or a friend, or your spouse, 2155 01:47:35,096 --> 01:47:38,565 is skeptical or critical of the Church of Scientology, 2156 01:47:38,682 --> 01:47:41,685 you are supposed to disconnect yourself from that person... 2157 01:47:41,820 --> 01:47:45,322 Tommy Davis, who was the spokesperson for the church, 2158 01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,357 he's being asked about the policy of disconnection. 2159 01:47:49,492 --> 01:47:52,028 Anything that's characterized as disconnection 2160 01:47:52,162 --> 01:47:54,195 or this kinda thing, it's just... it's just not true. 2161 01:47:54,329 --> 01:47:56,781 There isn't... I confronted him about this. 2162 01:47:56,898 --> 01:47:59,834 And I said, "Tommy, I don't need to search outside to ask for... 2163 01:47:59,952 --> 01:48:02,171 "to check research and see if other... 2164 01:48:02,288 --> 01:48:04,372 "this has happened to other people. This happened to my wife. 2165 01:48:04,506 --> 01:48:07,291 "You asked her and me to disconnect from her parents 2166 01:48:07,408 --> 01:48:09,760 "because of something trivial they did years ago." 2167 01:48:09,877 --> 01:48:11,762 My wife disconnected from me, 2168 01:48:11,879 --> 01:48:14,847 my daughter, my son, my brother, 2169 01:48:14,965 --> 01:48:16,850 my sister, my mother, 2170 01:48:16,968 --> 01:48:18,684 all of my nieces and nephews. 2171 01:48:18,802 --> 01:48:21,185 And that is the only family that I have. 2172 01:48:21,303 --> 01:48:23,355 You know, you label these people suppressive 2173 01:48:23,472 --> 01:48:25,474 so that, you know, everybody automatically... 2174 01:48:25,591 --> 01:48:27,809 they're discredited, and they must disconnect from them. 2175 01:48:27,926 --> 01:48:30,279 And that's how you keep people in a bubble. 2176 01:48:30,397 --> 01:48:32,782 And that's what they do. I mean, my son was declared 2177 01:48:32,900 --> 01:48:34,233 because he wouldn't disconnect from his friend. 2178 01:48:34,367 --> 01:48:36,284 I was declared, and my husband was declared 2179 01:48:36,402 --> 01:48:38,234 because we wouldn't disconnect from my son. 2180 01:48:38,368 --> 01:48:39,987 And now guess what happened? 2181 01:48:40,104 --> 01:48:43,824 Everyone connected to us just scatters to the wind. 2182 01:48:43,941 --> 01:48:45,992 Through all of this time, 2183 01:48:46,110 --> 01:48:49,297 I have a daughter who's very much into the church. 2184 01:48:49,414 --> 01:48:52,365 I have a granddaughter 2185 01:48:52,483 --> 01:48:55,836 who's the love of my life, and who loves her nana. 2186 01:48:55,954 --> 01:48:58,706 I was planning on talking to my daughter, 2187 01:48:58,823 --> 01:49:01,809 and trying to tell her what was really happening. 2188 01:49:01,925 --> 01:49:05,360 She hugged me, she told me she loved me. 2189 01:49:05,478 --> 01:49:08,446 She said, "I have to disconnect from you." 2190 01:49:13,902 --> 01:49:16,955 So, um... 2191 01:49:22,876 --> 01:49:26,498 I just was concentrating on smelling her hair 2192 01:49:26,615 --> 01:49:29,299 and seeing the way she felt, 2193 01:49:29,416 --> 01:49:31,968 touching her skin on my face. 2194 01:49:34,838 --> 01:49:37,640 That's the last time I saw them. 2195 01:49:42,395 --> 01:49:44,313 It really is the crux 2196 01:49:44,430 --> 01:49:48,433 of how controlling is any religion 2197 01:49:48,567 --> 01:49:50,767 over its adherents, 2198 01:49:50,901 --> 01:49:53,688 and Scientology has perfected 2199 01:49:53,805 --> 01:49:57,075 a lot of techniques of control. 2200 01:49:57,192 --> 01:50:00,729 There is no logical explanation 2201 01:50:00,830 --> 01:50:04,364 as to why, other than faith. 2202 01:50:04,499 --> 01:50:06,732 Your future, your eternity, 2203 01:50:06,833 --> 01:50:09,919 all depends on you going up the Bridge. 2204 01:50:10,038 --> 01:50:13,957 It's scary. It's kinda like Christianity with hell. 2205 01:50:14,091 --> 01:50:15,958 If they don't have the Bridge, they can't go free. 2206 01:50:16,092 --> 01:50:19,913 They don't believe they can get it anywhere else. 2207 01:50:20,014 --> 01:50:21,963 It's like brainwashing. Really simple. 2208 01:50:22,097 --> 01:50:24,266 I mean, that's a scary word, 2209 01:50:24,383 --> 01:50:27,185 and it took me a long time 2210 01:50:27,303 --> 01:50:30,274 to come to that conclusion, that that's what's occurred. 2211 01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:32,774 You take on 2212 01:50:32,890 --> 01:50:36,259 a kind of a... a matrix of thought 2213 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:40,781 that is not your own. 2214 01:50:40,898 --> 01:50:43,768 I think that's how I and other people got involved 2215 01:50:43,869 --> 01:50:45,818 and stuck through it for so long. 2216 01:50:45,952 --> 01:50:47,905 Because when you're out, you look at it, 2217 01:50:48,022 --> 01:50:51,491 and you go, "What the crap was I thinking," you know? 2218 01:50:51,625 --> 01:50:53,292 It's such a hard thing when you do wake up. 2219 01:50:53,409 --> 01:50:55,212 You go, "Oh my God." 2220 01:50:55,330 --> 01:50:57,714 Because you have this wave of regrets. 2221 01:50:57,831 --> 01:51:01,833 I just started to think that maybe my entire life 2222 01:51:01,966 --> 01:51:03,751 has been a lie. 2223 01:51:03,868 --> 01:51:06,255 You just don't see it happening to you. 2224 01:51:06,371 --> 01:51:09,257 You justify so much. 2225 01:51:09,374 --> 01:51:13,128 Cults, they prey on people, suggesting that, you know, 2226 01:51:13,229 --> 01:51:15,062 you should be able to think for yourself 2227 01:51:15,181 --> 01:51:18,849 and then tell you exactly how you have to think, or get out. 2228 01:51:18,983 --> 01:51:22,521 And if you get out, there will be consequences. 2229 01:51:22,655 --> 01:51:24,272 Come on, Marty. Got anything to say? 2230 01:51:24,389 --> 01:51:26,190 What's your name? Why don't you answer his question? 2231 01:51:26,324 --> 01:51:29,942 Beat it. I said get off my property, boy. 2232 01:51:30,059 --> 01:51:32,862 The real sustained campaign 2233 01:51:32,995 --> 01:51:35,148 began in early 2009 2234 01:51:35,249 --> 01:51:38,866 when I spoke to the "St. Petersburg Times." 2235 01:51:38,999 --> 01:51:42,087 And I'd been hounded and hunted like wild prey. 2236 01:51:42,205 --> 01:51:45,924 It's a policy of the Office of Special Affairs 2237 01:51:46,042 --> 01:51:47,842 authored by L. Ron Hubbard. 2238 01:51:47,959 --> 01:51:49,878 When somebody's speaking out against Scientology, 2239 01:51:50,012 --> 01:51:52,495 investigate to find out who the instigator is. 2240 01:51:52,596 --> 01:51:54,215 I started getting calls from the church, 2241 01:51:54,349 --> 01:51:58,769 and they're... they're really, uh, comin' after me. 2242 01:51:58,886 --> 01:52:00,772 They showed up at my mother's house. 2243 01:52:00,889 --> 01:52:02,688 The feeling in the pit of your stomach 2244 01:52:02,806 --> 01:52:04,841 knowing that Scientology's chief dirty-tricks PI 2245 01:52:04,942 --> 01:52:07,176 was just on my mother's front step. 2246 01:52:07,277 --> 01:52:09,946 They've tried to destroy me, there's no question. 2247 01:52:10,064 --> 01:52:12,231 They create anonymous websites about me, 2248 01:52:12,365 --> 01:52:14,784 and smear me with a lot of garbage. 2249 01:52:14,901 --> 01:52:17,204 www.whoisTomDevocht.com. 2250 01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,022 WhoisPaulHaggis.com. 2251 01:52:19,123 --> 01:52:21,407 "Paul Haggis, the hypocrite of Hollywood." 2252 01:52:21,541 --> 01:52:25,127 "This guy is a sex pervert," or "This guy's a drug dealer." 2253 01:52:25,245 --> 01:52:26,877 In the meantime, 2254 01:52:26,994 --> 01:52:30,914 survey carefully to find out what he most values and protects. 2255 01:52:31,048 --> 01:52:33,133 Immediately draw up a three-prong program 2256 01:52:33,251 --> 01:52:35,870 to threaten it effectively. 2257 01:52:35,971 --> 01:52:40,223 I don't value anything more than Monique. 2258 01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:44,228 That's why this campaign ended up on our doorstep. 2259 01:52:44,345 --> 01:52:46,062 Was she there? 2260 01:52:46,179 --> 01:52:50,066 I knew they had their goons around. 2261 01:52:50,184 --> 01:52:55,152 And then the guy rolls down in window and I saw the truck. 2262 01:52:55,271 --> 01:52:57,521 And he starts filming, and I go, 2263 01:52:57,638 --> 01:52:59,724 "Okay, this is not good." 2264 01:52:59,825 --> 01:53:01,227 What's goin' on? 2265 01:53:01,328 --> 01:53:03,111 Oh, we're just doing a documentary. 2266 01:53:03,245 --> 01:53:04,363 A documentary? 2267 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,613 Oh, a former Scientology deal. 2268 01:53:06,747 --> 01:53:08,782 But it would probably be a good idea if y'all went ahead... 2269 01:53:08,917 --> 01:53:10,334 now that you've gotten what you need, 2270 01:53:10,452 --> 01:53:11,919 go ahead and leave the area. Sure. 2271 01:53:12,036 --> 01:53:13,672 Okay? 2272 01:53:13,789 --> 01:53:14,906 I don't know who these people are. 2273 01:53:15,007 --> 01:53:16,907 I don't know what they're capable of. 2274 01:53:17,009 --> 01:53:20,244 And now that I have my son... 2275 01:53:20,345 --> 01:53:24,462 I have a little Louisville Slugger I keep next to me. 2276 01:53:24,596 --> 01:53:28,883 It's been a nonstop onslaught, for five years. 2277 01:53:29,017 --> 01:53:30,386 - I told you to leave. - Get out of here. 2278 01:53:30,503 --> 01:53:31,938 Oh no, I'm leaving. 2279 01:53:32,055 --> 01:53:33,389 You can't even defend yourself on this can you? 2280 01:53:33,506 --> 01:53:34,924 What's your name? 2281 01:53:35,025 --> 01:53:36,393 I gave you my name, Marty. What's your name? 2282 01:53:36,527 --> 01:53:38,108 Marty, I gave you my name. 2283 01:53:38,225 --> 01:53:41,230 The people on Marty's doorstep were sent by Scientology 2284 01:53:41,347 --> 01:53:43,764 because the church had branded Marty a "Squirrel," 2285 01:53:43,865 --> 01:53:46,284 a term invented by Hubbard for former members 2286 01:53:46,401 --> 01:53:48,104 who threatened church teachings. 2287 01:53:48,205 --> 01:53:49,771 David Miscavige had you come all the way from... 2288 01:53:49,872 --> 01:53:51,073 Marty. ...San Jose. 2289 01:53:52,489 --> 01:53:53,905 - Marty! - You can't do that. 2290 01:53:54,022 --> 01:53:55,324 - You can't do that, Marty! - I just did it. 2291 01:53:55,458 --> 01:53:56,442 No, that's my personal property, Marty. 2292 01:53:56,543 --> 01:53:58,295 Yeah, that's right. 2293 01:53:58,412 --> 01:54:00,130 I got arrested, man. 2294 01:54:00,247 --> 01:54:02,965 I got arrested for grabbing this guy's glasses. 2295 01:54:03,082 --> 01:54:04,784 I said, "Don't look at her." You understand that? 2296 01:54:04,885 --> 01:54:06,837 Yeah. I heard her. 2297 01:54:06,971 --> 01:54:09,339 Of course, the guy had been stalking Monique for two years. 2298 01:54:09,473 --> 01:54:11,590 He looks like a leering pervert, 2299 01:54:11,707 --> 01:54:14,260 like Norman Bates from "Psycho." 2300 01:54:14,377 --> 01:54:17,063 I didn't break his glasses. 2301 01:54:17,181 --> 01:54:20,899 I just removed them from his... from his face. 2302 01:54:25,069 --> 01:54:28,740 They got it all on videotape from their surveillance house 2303 01:54:28,857 --> 01:54:31,659 that was filming 24/7, 365, 2304 01:54:31,776 --> 01:54:34,446 for five years, across the street from us. 2305 01:54:39,932 --> 01:54:42,052 This lawsuit with Monique Rathbun... 2306 01:54:42,169 --> 01:54:44,421 it's a brilliant legal strategy. 2307 01:54:44,539 --> 01:54:46,490 If Marty sues, the church just says, 2308 01:54:46,591 --> 01:54:47,874 "This is a First Amendment fight. 2309 01:54:48,008 --> 01:54:49,342 "This should not be in a court of law." 2310 01:54:49,459 --> 01:54:50,926 But Monique was never in Scientology. 2311 01:54:51,043 --> 01:54:55,713 She's suing David Miscavige and asking to depose him. 2312 01:54:55,848 --> 01:54:58,933 And Scientology will do anything to keep him out of that situation. 2313 01:54:59,050 --> 01:55:00,685 And the point is, Judge, 2314 01:55:00,803 --> 01:55:02,889 if you let me make my presentation, 2315 01:55:03,023 --> 01:55:04,773 on First Amendment law 2316 01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:07,341 that comes from the United States Supreme Court... 2317 01:55:07,442 --> 01:55:09,143 For every court date, 2318 01:55:09,260 --> 01:55:11,980 the church hires a bevy of high-priced lawyers. 2319 01:55:12,097 --> 01:55:14,981 They are determined to use every legal trick in the book 2320 01:55:15,098 --> 01:55:17,233 to keep Miscavige from having to testify 2321 01:55:17,367 --> 01:55:20,905 about church abuses or whether the religion of Scientology 2322 01:55:21,039 --> 01:55:23,155 is actually operated like a business, 2323 01:55:23,272 --> 01:55:27,075 controlled by the whims of a single individual. 2324 01:55:29,079 --> 01:55:31,880 In 2014, Miscavige celebrated 2325 01:55:31,997 --> 01:55:34,048 the ongoing expansion of the church, 2326 01:55:34,166 --> 01:55:36,301 but he was hiding a terrible secret. 2327 01:55:36,419 --> 01:55:37,868 Good evening! 2328 01:55:37,969 --> 01:55:39,921 The church's active membership has dropped 2329 01:55:40,055 --> 01:55:41,673 to fewer than 50,000 people, 2330 01:55:41,790 --> 01:55:45,876 yet the financial value of Scientology is soaring. 2331 01:55:45,977 --> 01:55:47,727 How about we just say, 2332 01:55:47,845 --> 01:55:52,765 2013 is the year we went stratospheric? 2333 01:55:55,801 --> 01:55:57,771 The church is making investments 2334 01:55:57,905 --> 01:55:59,773 and buying valuable real estate all over the world. 2335 01:55:59,907 --> 01:56:03,742 That financial clout gives Scientology enormous power. 2336 01:56:03,860 --> 01:56:06,061 It's a kind of tax-free shell company 2337 01:56:06,162 --> 01:56:10,950 growing past $3 billion in assets. 2338 01:56:18,156 --> 01:56:21,410 The church now no longer has a public face. 2339 01:56:21,511 --> 01:56:23,710 There's no spokespeople, 2340 01:56:23,828 --> 01:56:25,879 they don't do media interviews, 2341 01:56:25,997 --> 01:56:28,632 and that suits Miscavige. 2342 01:56:28,766 --> 01:56:30,883 There is nobody that he is willing 2343 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,754 to have be the face of Scientology other than himself, 2344 01:56:33,854 --> 01:56:37,275 but he's afraid to be interviewed by anybody 2345 01:56:37,392 --> 01:56:39,975 for fear that they're gonna ask him questions 2346 01:56:40,108 --> 01:56:42,395 that he can't answer, or doesn't want to answer. 2347 01:56:44,344 --> 01:56:46,814 Where are the checks and balances on his power? 2348 01:56:46,948 --> 01:56:48,148 There is none. 2349 01:56:48,283 --> 01:56:49,935 So there are two things that could happen. 2350 01:56:50,036 --> 01:56:53,989 One is, the IRS would reconsider its tax exemption. 2351 01:56:54,123 --> 01:56:58,326 The only other thing is that some of these celebrity megaphones 2352 01:56:58,459 --> 01:57:00,578 could turn against the church. 2353 01:57:00,695 --> 01:57:03,913 And Tom Cruise should be leading that chorus. 2354 01:57:07,969 --> 01:57:10,887 Is there anything that you look back on, 2355 01:57:11,004 --> 01:57:13,288 in terms of your own career in the church, 2356 01:57:13,390 --> 01:57:16,124 and think, "Wow, I wish I hadn't done that?" 2357 01:57:16,225 --> 01:57:19,312 You know, we talked about karma earlier. 2358 01:57:19,429 --> 01:57:23,932 And, you know, it still happens that it's like it's just this... 2359 01:57:24,050 --> 01:57:27,969 I constantly get presented with who I was, 2360 01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:30,689 and, you know, and I constantly don't like what I see, 2361 01:57:30,823 --> 01:57:33,274 and I sort of constantly keep dying deaths. 2362 01:57:33,391 --> 01:57:35,193 Um, and... 2363 01:57:37,228 --> 01:57:39,312 I don't know how many more deaths I have left, 2364 01:57:39,413 --> 01:57:42,147 but I... but I... 2365 01:57:42,248 --> 01:57:45,085 but I regret... 2366 01:57:45,202 --> 01:57:48,505 and I'm ashamed of, uh... 2367 01:57:50,007 --> 01:57:52,792 the entire experience, you know? 2368 01:57:52,909 --> 01:57:55,010 What I take away from it is that we... 2369 01:57:55,128 --> 01:57:57,963 we lock up a portion of our own mind. 2370 01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:02,268 We... We willingly put cuffs on. 2371 01:58:02,387 --> 01:58:05,854 We willingly avoid things 2372 01:58:05,972 --> 01:58:08,856 that will... could cause us pain, 2373 01:58:08,974 --> 01:58:11,642 if we just... if we looked. 2374 01:58:11,776 --> 01:58:14,061 If we can just believe something, 2375 01:58:14,195 --> 01:58:16,697 then we don't have to really think for ourselves, do we? 2376 01:58:16,814 --> 01:58:20,185 And so I can't damn these people who aren't coming out, 2377 01:58:20,286 --> 01:58:24,371 or who are hiding once they come out because they're ashamed. 2378 01:58:24,488 --> 01:58:26,372 You know, I... 2379 01:58:26,489 --> 01:58:29,326 I... I feel the same shame. 2380 01:58:29,442 --> 01:58:32,744 And I just... I'm fighting back 2381 01:58:32,878 --> 01:58:37,165 by communicating, you know? It's a peaceful protest. 2382 01:58:37,282 --> 01:58:41,087 I want the truth to be known, 2383 01:58:41,221 --> 01:58:43,088 and... 2384 01:58:45,007 --> 01:58:46,341 Thank you. 2385 01:58:46,458 --> 01:58:48,077 You're welcome. 190500

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