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We will begin the session now.
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You will remain aware
of everything that goes on.
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Okay.
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We're going to find
an incident in your life
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you have an exact record of.
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Then by sending you through it
at the time it happened,
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we're going to reduce it.
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We will reduce the pain.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Tell me what's happening.
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- Well, these things get all so...
- I joined in 198...
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It was a bunch of young kids,
like I was young...
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We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
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Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
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- I think the first time I saw
- Hubbard, and I was in awe...
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We did, because you thought
we were doing good.
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I mean, so you had
some gratification.
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I felt a tremendous amount
of relief.
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I got the answers for everything
within the religion.
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What are you most afraid of?
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- It was dark.
- 3:00 in the morning,
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there's a knock
on the hotel-room door.
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Stop! I'll say whatever
you want,
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I'll write up anything
that you want.
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I flipped out. I started
punching holes in the walls.
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Things didn't seem quite right.
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And you just feel
so foolish at that point.
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Do you have a secret
you're afraid I'll find out?
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Yes. Yes.
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Go to the beginning
of that incident.
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Okay, all right.
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Tell me about it.
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I was 21 years old,
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living in London, Ontario, Canada.
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I wanted to be
a documentary filmmaker.
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And someone had told me...
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about what they called,
they said, "There's this cult...
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in New York called Scientology,"
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which I'd never heard of.
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"And if you give them
all your money,
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they'll make anything
possible in your life."
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And about six months later,
I was walking down the street.
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This guy was there
selling books.
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And I realized
they were all the same book...
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"Dianetics,"
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which again, I had never heard of.
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He handed me one
and asked me to look at it.
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He was talking. I wasn't
really listening to him.
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I opened the cover and it said...
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stamped on the inside page,
it said "Church of Scientology."
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And I said, "Take me there."
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- All right.
- All right, here we go.
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I'm not a great multitasker.
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You know, and if I feel like doing
something, that's what I do.
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And, uh... I was into this shit,
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and I was becoming an auditor,
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like, I was in Scientology
probably four months,
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and I had done more
than John Travolta had done,
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and he'd been there
for 85 years or some shit.
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My agents called, you know,
"You got an audition."
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"Eh, fuck it, I don't really... "
You know what I mean?
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I was on...
I'm on a spiritual adventure,
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and this was like, "Whoa,
this is an interesting road."
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You know?
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So, uh,
what was the question?
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So tell me, how was it you first
got involved in Scientology?
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Well, I was introduced to it
by some friends.
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I don't know if they said it...
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or if it was just talked about
by others that they had superpowers.
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And I... I was, like,
really young,
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but I thought, "I'd like
to have superpowers!"
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But also I had done
so much...
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political-social work.
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So this really looked like...
that it was a solution...
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to handling a lot
of the world's problems.
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Instead of trying
to handle things en masse,
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you could deal with it
person by person,
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make each person better, and thus
the world would get better and surer.
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Well, thank you very much,
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and welcome
to our Whole New World.
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It's a world where
the operative phrase reads...
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"Exceeding all expectations,
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transcending all parameters,
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extending the boundaries
beyond any boundary,
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not to mention
Godspeed, lightning speed,
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and a quantum leap in sheer
rapidity of progress up the Bridge."
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We're out to make every life
extraordinary.
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And if by chance it ever seems
laborious or a sacrifice,
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then you are looking at the offramps
instead of the highway.
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You are missing
the signpost up ahead,
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the one that reads,
"Next stop, infinity."
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Probably my favorite concept
of Scientology...
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is a world without criminality,
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a world without war,
and a world without insanity.
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And I know of no other group...
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that their goals are that clear.
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Look, I don't...
you name me another philosophy,
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religion, or technology...
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that one of its main goals,
besides the three I mentioned earlier,
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where joy
is the operative concept.
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These are the times now, people.
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Okay? These are the times
we will all remember.
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Were you there?
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What did you do?
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- So what do you say?
Can we clean this place up? - Yeah!
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Okay.
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Because we're counting on you.
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Okay?
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All right?
To LRH!
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Hip-hip... Hooray! Hip-Hip... Hooray!
Hip-Hip... Hooray!
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Scientology is such a subject
of fascination for people.
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How did you get engaged
in the story?
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Well, I've always
been interested in religions...
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and why people believe
one idea rather than another.
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I've studied Jonestown,
radical Islam.
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They're oftentimes
good-hearted people...
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idealistic, but full of a kind
of crushing certainty..
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that eliminates doubt.
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You know, my goal
wasn't to write an expos�e.
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It was simply
to understand Scientology,
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trying to understand
what people get out of it.
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You know, why do they
go into it in the first place?
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I was interested in intelligent
and skeptical people...
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who are drawn
into a belief system...
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and wind up acting
on those beliefs
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in ways they never
thought they would.
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The Church of Scientology
turned out to be...
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two offices
above a Woolworth's store.
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He asked me,
"What's ruining your life?"
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I said, "Oh, I'm in love.
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I'm in love with this woman.
It's impossible.
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I don't know what to do.
I need some help."
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And he said,
"We can help you with that."
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I said, "Really?"
"Yes."
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And I ran home and got her, and I
said, "We have to sign up for this.
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"It sounds really good. It
could save our relationship."
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So we both signed up
the next day to do a course,
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which I think cost $50.
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The thing that absolutely got me
and stayed with me forever...
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was the very first thing I read
when you open the course pack,
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and it said...
I'm paraphrasing...
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"Don't believe any of this.
If it works for you, great.
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If it doesn't, discard it."
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I was troubled by the fact
that they called it a religion,
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but I figured, "Oh, it's some tax scam.
It's fine with me.
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I don't really care about that
as long as it works."
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The first exercise, after you do all
this reading and stuff like that,
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is this thing called O-T-T-R-0,
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which is basically,
you stand... you sit...
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just like this, eyes closed,
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three feet away from somebody
who's doing the same thing,
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and you basically confront them.
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You know?
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And in Scientology lingo,
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I went exterior.
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Exteriorizing
is what they call it.
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You know,
you leave your body.
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So it was a... transcendent
experience for me...
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and that made me go,
"Holy fucking shit.
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This is... wow."
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I was reading books, going to
lectures, and going to things...
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different events at the mission...
at the local Santa Clara Mission.
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And then I knew
I wanted to join the Sea Org
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and get really involved
as soon as I could,
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which would
be right out of high school.
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Sea Org is the most fraternal
order of the organization.
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It's people who really,
really believe in the cause...
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and sign
a billion-year contract,
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which I did when I was...
you know, as soon as I could.
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I left skid marks getting
to that billion-year contract.
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You thought
you were doing something good,
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to have a positive effect
on all of mankind.
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That's what Howard says.
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Everything you do for endless
trillions of years
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depends on what you do here
and now within Scientology.
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I began to ask this question,
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"What is man?"
And I found, oddly enough,
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that nobody could tell me
what man was.
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What did he consist of?
Where was he going?
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What was he doing?
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To really know life,
you've got to be part of life.
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You must get down and look.
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You must get into the nooks
and crannies of existence,
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the... you have to rub elbows...
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with all kinds and types of men...
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before you can finally
establish what he is.
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And you in fact did this?
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Yes, I've slept
with bandits in Mongolia,
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and I've hunted with, uh,
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pygmies in the Philippines.
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Matter of fact, I've studied
21 different primitive races,
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including the white race.
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And my conclusions were...
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that man is a spiritual being...
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that was pulled down
to the material,
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the fleshly interests,
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to an interplay in life
that was, in fact,
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too great for him to confront.
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And I concluded, finally,
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that he needed a hand.
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To understand Scientology,
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you have to understand
the life and mind of its inventor,
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L. Ron Hubbard.
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Hubbard was a prolific writer.
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He actually holds the "Guinness
Book of World Records"...
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for the number of books published.
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More than 1,000.
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Hubbard got his start in the
Depression writing pulp fiction,
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named for
the cheap paper used.
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Writers were paid a penny a word,
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so hey had to write a lot
to make money.
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Hubbard hammered away so fast
on long rolls of butcher paper...
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that he used to drop sweat
on his typewriter.
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Hubbard's career took off when
he began to write for a magazine...
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called "Astounding Science Fiction."
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Along with authors like Isaac
Asimov and Robert Heinlein,
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Hubbard wrote stories
with a sense of mission...
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to get man to the stars.
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He found his true métier
in science fiction.
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And a lot of what Scientology is...
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he had previously written about
in the form of his science fiction.
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He had the ability to fabricate
these amazing tales,
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and he transported those imaginary
stories into his theology.
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After Pearl Harbor, Hubbard
took command of a sub chaser,
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but he was still a man
prone to invention.
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He would write that he sunk
two Japanese subs,
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but, in fact,
just off the coast of Oregon,
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he opened fire on what
turned out to be a log...
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and dropped most of
his depth chargers
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on underwater magnetic rocks.
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When he accidentally shelled
a Mexican island,
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he was relieved of his command.
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After the war,
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Hubbard ended up in Los Angeles...
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where he settled in with a small
group of seekers and visionaries.
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A guy named Jack Parsons,
a fascinating man,
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was one of the founders of the
jet-propulsion laboratory.
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And there's actually a crater
on the moon named after Jack.
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He was a significant
scientific figure,
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but he was also the head honcho
in this black magic cult.
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It was called the O.T.O.,
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or the Ordo Templi Orientis.
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They followed the teachings
of Aleister Crowley,
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a famous sexual magic figure
in England.
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Parsons had a mansion
in Pasadena.
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They would have ceremonies,
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and they were seeking some sort of goddess
figure that he could impregnate...
248
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in order to create the Antichrist.
249
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Hubbard moved in
and became Parsons' assistant.
250
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One night,
this beautiful redhead,
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named Marjorie Cameron
showed up at the door.
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She was perfectly willing
to engage in this sexual ritual...
253
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in order, supposedly,
to produce the Antichrist.
254
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She and Jack
eventually got married.
255
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That happened after Hubbard
ran off with Jack's girlfriend,
256
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Sara Northrup.
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Scientology and Hubbard
would later refuse to acknowledge...
258
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his relationship with Sara.
259
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But we uncovered
Sara's own recollections...
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of her time with Hubbard.
261
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He was 13 years older
than I was.
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I thought
he was a great war hero,
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a captain of a ship that had
been downed in the Pacific.
264
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And he was weeks
on a raft,
265
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and he'd been blinded
by the sun,
266
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and his back
had been broken.
267
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All these things
were complete lies,
268
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but I didn't know it
at the time.
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I believed every word of it.
270
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If only Sara had seen
Hubbard's military records.
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In a 900-page file,
272
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Hubbard's activities are laid
out in extraordinary detail.
273
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Hubbard told people that he had been
blinded and crippled during the war...
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and the practices that would form
the basis of Scientology
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had cured him.
276
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But his records show
that his only wounds
277
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were mild arthritis
and conjunctivitis.
278
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We had this terrible fight,
279
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and he told me he was going
to commit suicide
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if I didn't marry him.
281
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I really believed him,
282
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so we got married.
283
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We spent the winter in that lighthouse
on the lake in the Poconos.
284
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I remember one awful night,
285
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when I was asleep
and he was out typing...
286
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and he hit me
across the side of the head
287
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with a .45...
288
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because I was smiling
in my sleep...
289
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and he said I was thinking
about somebody else.
290
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I got up and left the house,
291
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and walked
on the ice of the lake.
292
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I was terrified.
293
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He always said
that he would kill me...
294
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rather than let me leave him.
295
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The only good thing
I got from Ron...
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was my baby.
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We moved
to Elizabeth, New Jersey,
298
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and he started writing "Dianetics."
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The book was conceived
300
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and he started
working on it in 1950.
301
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He said many times that the
only way to make any real money
302
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was to have a religion.
303
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That's essentially what he was
trying to do with "Dianetics"...
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get a religion where
he could have an income
305
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and the government wouldn't
take it away from him...
306
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in the form of taxes.
307
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"Dianetics" was
an immense success.
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From the moment
it was published in 1950,
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it swept through America and other
countries around the world.
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This book... that's the
background of all of this.
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That's what started
all the trouble.
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We expected this to sell
about 6,000 copies,
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and it hit the top of the bestseller
list of "The New York Times"
314
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and just stayed there,
month in, month out.
315
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It was like
I started an avalanche.
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"Dianeticas, The Modern Science
of Mental Health"
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is considered to be
the fundamental text,
318
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which is the foundation
upon which all else is built.
319
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One of the theories
of "Dianetics"...
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is to discover these things
that are very traumatic
321
00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:12,061
or have been very upsetting
to you,
322
00:17:12,178 --> 00:17:15,063
and if you can observe...
323
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exactly what happened,
324
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the power of that incident
325
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to influence you today...
326
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is removed.
327
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The concept of "Dianetics"...
328
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is that you have
two sides of your mind.
329
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There is the analytical side,
330
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which is a perfect computer.
331
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It remembers everything.
It's flawless.
332
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It never makes a mistake.
333
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And then there's a reactive side.
334
00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:46,143
And this is where
all your neuroses, anxieties,
335
00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:47,428
and fears are stored.
336
00:17:47,544 --> 00:17:50,808
And where do they come from?
They come from engrams.
337
00:17:50,898 --> 00:17:53,597
An engram is like a memory.
338
00:17:53,648 --> 00:17:55,601
A man has an automobile accident.
339
00:17:55,717 --> 00:17:57,351
He has a picture
of an automobile accident.
340
00:17:57,486 --> 00:18:00,855
He has all the sensations of having been
hurt in the automobile accident.
341
00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:02,315
It takes him a long time to recover...
342
00:18:02,339 --> 00:18:03,993
because he's still wearing
the automobile accident.
343
00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:06,569
If you said, "Hey, why don't you take
this automobile accident
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00:18:06,677 --> 00:18:07,694
and throw it away?"
345
00:18:07,718 --> 00:18:11,089
Well, all of a sudden, he recovers
from the automobile accident, naturally,
346
00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:13,581
because the thing that's
keeping it impressed upon him
347
00:18:13,605 --> 00:18:15,912
and his body is his mind.
348
00:18:18,208 --> 00:18:20,839
An auditor is a practitioner
in Scientology.
349
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He listens and he computes.
350
00:18:24,537 --> 00:18:25,841
We have a meter.
351
00:18:25,964 --> 00:18:28,383
A meter simply shows...
352
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where an individual is aberrated.
353
00:18:31,682 --> 00:18:33,887
The E-meter is
a very powerful instrument.
354
00:18:34,469 --> 00:18:36,344
It's one-third of a lie detector.
355
00:18:36,424 --> 00:18:40,455
A lie detector would also measure
your respiration and pulse.
356
00:18:41,294 --> 00:18:42,726
There's two cans...
357
00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:44,636
and there's electrical wires...
358
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carrying an undetectable
amount of current...
359
00:18:46,961 --> 00:18:49,070
into a meter with a needle on it.
360
00:18:49,933 --> 00:18:51,713
According to the Church
of Scientology,
361
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it actually detects
the mass of your thoughts,
362
00:18:55,007 --> 00:18:57,473
although there's no evidence
that thoughts have mass.
363
00:18:57,534 --> 00:19:00,113
The current
passes through your body,
364
00:19:00,214 --> 00:19:03,912
and as your mental mass
increases,
365
00:19:04,082 --> 00:19:07,398
so does the resistance
to the circuit.
366
00:19:07,938 --> 00:19:10,661
So the auditor will ask you a question,
367
00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:13,390
"Tell me about
an upset with your mother."
368
00:19:13,642 --> 00:19:15,344
"What's truly bothering you
about being with, you know,
369
00:19:15,478 --> 00:19:17,480
with your wife's behavior?
What is it?"
370
00:19:17,597 --> 00:19:19,131
"Why are you upset today?"
371
00:19:19,594 --> 00:19:21,234
"Well, I had a fight
with my wife."
372
00:19:21,725 --> 00:19:22,803
"Well, I can see."
373
00:19:23,392 --> 00:19:24,717
"That there...
was that the same thought?"
374
00:19:24,819 --> 00:19:26,381
"Say that again."
375
00:19:26,688 --> 00:19:30,154
And gradually, the needle
will have less response.
376
00:19:30,356 --> 00:19:33,694
And in that manner,
you discharge the emotion.
377
00:19:33,718 --> 00:19:36,651
Then you're asked to go back
to earlier incidents...
378
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that were like that.
379
00:19:39,118 --> 00:19:41,318
And you might say,
"Well, my mother spoke to me
380
00:19:41,419 --> 00:19:43,503
in the same
scolding tone of voice."
381
00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:45,705
And you recount that story,
382
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,823
and eventually
you discharge the emotion.
383
00:19:49,092 --> 00:19:52,162
And that's very much
like Freudian therapy.
384
00:19:52,263 --> 00:19:54,797
But with Scientology,
385
00:19:54,913 --> 00:19:57,111
then they'll ask further.
386
00:19:57,248 --> 00:19:59,589
"Well, that's as far back
as I go."
387
00:20:00,142 --> 00:20:01,685
Well, maybe not.
388
00:20:02,012 --> 00:20:05,940
The auditor might say, "Something
just registered on the meter.
389
00:20:06,057 --> 00:20:07,475
"What was that?"
390
00:20:07,592 --> 00:20:09,843
"I had an image in my mind."
391
00:20:09,944 --> 00:20:11,564
"Well, what was the image?"
392
00:20:11,698 --> 00:20:13,348
"It was a barn."
393
00:20:13,398 --> 00:20:15,745
"Are you inside the barn?
Go back to that image.
394
00:20:15,933 --> 00:20:18,524
"Okay, open the door.
What do you see?"
395
00:20:19,424 --> 00:20:22,786
"Well, it looks like
19th Century France."
396
00:20:25,042 --> 00:20:26,288
You walk outside...
397
00:20:26,457 --> 00:20:29,299
and you see the people dressed
in their costumes,
398
00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:32,729
and the E-meter is
saying this is real.
399
00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:34,661
This is a real memory.
400
00:20:34,801 --> 00:20:37,561
It's just as real as those
other memories that you had.
401
00:20:39,636 --> 00:20:42,589
Beautiful little soft needle,
and everything's good.
402
00:20:42,724 --> 00:20:46,728
Needle's rising, which means
he's getting, you know,
403
00:20:46,845 --> 00:20:49,597
thinking a lot. The needle
just, like, goes "Pfft,"
404
00:20:49,731 --> 00:20:51,683
like a lot of shit blows away.
405
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,602
The theta bop, which is a very quick
little thing like, "doo doo doo,"
406
00:20:55,736 --> 00:20:57,852
which means exteriorization.
407
00:20:59,489 --> 00:21:02,700
When you come out
of an auditing session,
408
00:21:02,814 --> 00:21:05,611
you feel euphoric.
409
00:21:05,746 --> 00:21:09,394
That confessional nature
makes you feel better.
410
00:21:09,418 --> 00:21:11,484
Somebody would say, "Oh, you're
going to have a session."
411
00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:13,952
I would feel better
just hearing that.
412
00:21:14,782 --> 00:21:16,465
Man is asleep.
413
00:21:17,171 --> 00:21:19,071
He is hypnotized.
414
00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:22,339
Now in Scientology,
reverse the process,
415
00:21:22,628 --> 00:21:24,933
and you'll make him
wake up.
416
00:21:25,130 --> 00:21:27,765
Such a man becomes
un-brainwashed, you might say.
417
00:21:27,883 --> 00:21:29,516
He becomes unhypnotized.
418
00:21:29,634 --> 00:21:31,585
This sounds, Mr. Hubbard,
in a sense,
419
00:21:31,686 --> 00:21:35,051
like an extension
of psychology or psychiatry.
420
00:21:35,272 --> 00:21:38,775
Oh, no, psychiatry
has to do with the insane,
421
00:21:38,892 --> 00:21:41,728
and we have nothing to do
with the insane whatsoever.
422
00:21:41,783 --> 00:21:43,785
Is this is a form of psychoanalysis?
423
00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:46,116
No, psychoanalysis,
they lay back and...
424
00:21:46,233 --> 00:21:49,700
Don't associate Scientology
with such people.
425
00:21:49,818 --> 00:21:53,185
That's terrible.
That's bad manners, you know?
426
00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:56,787
When L. Ron Hubbard
first wrote "Dianetics,"
427
00:21:56,909 --> 00:22:00,007
he thought it was a tremendous
psychological breakthrough,
428
00:22:00,629 --> 00:22:03,027
so much so
that he would be recognized.
429
00:22:03,858 --> 00:22:07,662
He wrote letters to the American
Psychological Association.
430
00:22:08,086 --> 00:22:11,403
They couldn't make heads
or tail of his ideas.
431
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,972
To them, it was like
psychological folk art.
432
00:22:15,101 --> 00:22:17,352
For instance,
he would talk about "clear."
433
00:22:17,645 --> 00:22:19,742
That means that the individual has...
434
00:22:20,114 --> 00:22:22,065
erased his reactive mind,
435
00:22:22,264 --> 00:22:24,684
his unconscious mind
is gone...
436
00:22:24,818 --> 00:22:26,986
and he is totally alert
437
00:22:27,104 --> 00:22:28,987
and totally capable.
438
00:22:29,105 --> 00:22:32,184
Once you've taken away
all these traumatic memories...
439
00:22:32,408 --> 00:22:34,658
from this life
and previous ones,
440
00:22:34,808 --> 00:22:36,445
then you are clear.
441
00:22:36,562 --> 00:22:39,280
Someone who had
a perfect memory,
442
00:22:39,397 --> 00:22:41,893
who was never ill.
443
00:22:42,074 --> 00:22:43,328
Your eyesight would be better.
444
00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:46,119
We tested people
before Scientology processing...
445
00:22:46,237 --> 00:22:47,953
and after
Scientology processing,
446
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:50,714
and uniformly found
that their IQ had raised.
447
00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:52,526
We are making such individuals,
448
00:22:52,625 --> 00:22:56,464
we're making them regularly, and
we're making them routinely.
449
00:22:58,548 --> 00:23:01,470
An overt act
is an effort to individuate.
450
00:23:01,494 --> 00:23:03,836
It is a withhold of oneself...
451
00:23:04,137 --> 00:23:06,003
Ron gave lectures everywhere...
452
00:23:06,104 --> 00:23:10,024
for large amounts of money, and
money just started pouring in.
453
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,298
I mean, these people
were paying
454
00:23:12,429 --> 00:23:15,363
$500 apiece in the 1950s...
455
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,364
for training in "Dianetics."
456
00:23:17,481 --> 00:23:20,117
I felt that he was stealing
from people
457
00:23:20,234 --> 00:23:22,370
and that he was
hoodwinking them.
458
00:23:22,487 --> 00:23:25,373
All the business of sitting,
holding hands,
459
00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:28,155
and putting all these false
memories into people's minds.
460
00:23:28,792 --> 00:23:30,831
Then they would finally
come along and say,
461
00:23:30,833 --> 00:23:34,047
"Oh, yes,
I can remember it all."
462
00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:39,845
We were surrounded
by sycophants.
463
00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:44,252
He began to believe
that he was a savior and hero,
464
00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,450
that he really was this God figure.
465
00:23:50,836 --> 00:23:52,814
He was absolutely convinced...
466
00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:56,519
that he had the cure for the
psychological ills of mankind,
467
00:23:56,636 --> 00:24:00,220
and that the only reason that it
wasn't being propagated far and wide
468
00:24:00,336 --> 00:24:04,497
was that the medical profession had
a vested interest in keeping people sick.
469
00:24:05,475 --> 00:24:07,330
I think he was afraid
that some psychiatrists...
470
00:24:07,478 --> 00:24:09,830
would pop him
into an institution.
471
00:24:09,948 --> 00:24:13,948
He degenerated into
a really paranoid,
472
00:24:13,955 --> 00:24:16,902
terrifying person.
473
00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:18,535
Sara threatened
to leave Hubbard...
474
00:24:18,626 --> 00:24:20,338
unless he got psychiatric help.
475
00:24:20,433 --> 00:24:22,885
He responded
by kidnapping their baby
476
00:24:23,257 --> 00:24:25,428
and taking her to Cuba.
477
00:24:25,545 --> 00:24:27,988
He was incapable
of taking care of her,
478
00:24:28,131 --> 00:24:31,137
so he put her in the charge
of a mother and daughter...
479
00:24:31,171 --> 00:24:33,300
who were both
mentally retarded.
480
00:24:33,434 --> 00:24:35,685
And they apparently kept her
in some kind of cage.
481
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,309
He called me and told me
that he had killed her.
482
00:24:40,297 --> 00:24:42,076
He said he had cut her
into little pieces...
483
00:24:42,124 --> 00:24:44,195
and dropped the pieces
in a river,
484
00:24:44,312 --> 00:24:46,313
and it was my fault.
485
00:24:46,447 --> 00:24:49,067
Then he'd call me back and say
that she was still alive.
486
00:24:49,660 --> 00:24:52,452
And this went on
and on and on.
487
00:24:53,157 --> 00:24:55,156
When Hubbard came back
to the U.S.,
488
00:24:55,406 --> 00:24:57,471
Sara persuaded him
to agree to a divorce...
489
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,909
and give her custody
of their daughter.
490
00:25:00,026 --> 00:25:01,019
When I left him,
491
00:25:01,043 --> 00:25:03,103
he cleaned out
all the joint bank accounts,
492
00:25:03,366 --> 00:25:05,593
so that I wouldn't
have any money.
493
00:25:06,632 --> 00:25:09,667
Hubbard soon lost
all his money, too.
494
00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,970
"Dianetics" proved to be a
passing fad, like the hula hoop.
495
00:25:13,087 --> 00:25:15,727
But Hubbard still had
his imagination.
496
00:25:15,757 --> 00:25:17,894
So he repackaged the ideas
of "Dianetics"...
497
00:25:18,043 --> 00:25:20,511
into a religion called Scientology.
498
00:25:22,232 --> 00:25:24,520
Hubbard added more science
and more structure.
499
00:25:24,933 --> 00:25:27,590
Along with the E-meters
came a payment plan.
500
00:25:27,717 --> 00:25:30,178
Every step to "clear"
had a price tag.
501
00:25:31,570 --> 00:25:33,659
How would you describe
your business model?
502
00:25:34,023 --> 00:25:35,481
Rapacious.
503
00:25:37,117 --> 00:25:39,578
It's all about making money.
504
00:25:39,695 --> 00:25:42,567
Hubbard, from the beginning,
knew that...
505
00:25:42,698 --> 00:25:46,016
people would pay for this
counseling at a pretty good clip,
506
00:25:46,134 --> 00:25:50,067
and so he continued to come out
with more and more levels.
507
00:25:50,259 --> 00:25:53,758
The real money was in paying for
these higher and higher courses.
508
00:25:53,875 --> 00:25:55,240
They were getting
into thousands of dollars.
509
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,290
Those prices
kept going up and up.
510
00:25:58,002 --> 00:26:00,880
That's really
where Scientology begins
511
00:26:01,014 --> 00:26:02,966
to create this indoctrination,
512
00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:04,834
is, "It's Hubbard
that came up with that,
513
00:26:04,935 --> 00:26:07,084
only Hubbard, and you have
to be a part of our group...
514
00:26:07,472 --> 00:26:10,680
to get that spiritual satisfaction
you were looking for."
515
00:26:10,793 --> 00:26:12,386
The Hubbard College
of Scientology,
516
00:26:12,398 --> 00:26:16,145
Qualifications Division, Department
of Certifications and Awards
517
00:26:16,262 --> 00:26:18,848
does hereby certify
that Anthony A. Phillips...
518
00:26:18,989 --> 00:26:21,316
has obtained the state of clear.
519
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:26,244
As more members paid for Hubbard's
Bridge to total freedom,
520
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:29,739
the church's coffers swelled with
hundreds of millions of dollars.
521
00:26:29,988 --> 00:26:33,026
From the beginning, Hubbard
tried to shelter that revenue...
522
00:26:33,127 --> 00:26:34,912
from any government taxes.
523
00:26:35,046 --> 00:26:36,998
The founding Church
of Scientology
524
00:26:37,114 --> 00:26:40,364
attempted in 1967 to get
a court determination...
525
00:26:40,374 --> 00:26:42,836
that it was exempt
from federal taxation...
526
00:26:42,953 --> 00:26:46,370
on the basis that it was a
nonprofit religious organization.
527
00:26:46,472 --> 00:26:49,559
A federal court denied the
founding church tax exemption,
528
00:26:49,676 --> 00:26:54,032
saying that some of the church's
earnings from 1955 to 1959...
529
00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:57,982
were used for the personal
benefit of private individuals...
530
00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:00,384
L. Ron Hubbard and family.
531
00:27:00,485 --> 00:27:04,582
"ABC News" has repeatedly requested
interviews with Mr. Hubbard.
532
00:27:04,638 --> 00:27:06,879
We have been told
that he is unavailable.
533
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:26,242
It was very exciting.
534
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,204
It was that heady mix
of emotion and belief,
535
00:27:30,637 --> 00:27:33,848
and it's... you get stuck to it.
536
00:27:33,966 --> 00:27:37,591
It's so strong
that it sticks you like glue,
537
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:40,155
and there's no way
you can get away from it.
538
00:27:41,305 --> 00:27:43,325
I was deeply convinced
539
00:27:43,443 --> 00:27:45,760
that we were going
to save the world.
540
00:27:46,403 --> 00:27:47,751
I considered myself...
541
00:27:48,608 --> 00:27:51,781
tremendously fortunate
to be in that position.
542
00:27:54,035 --> 00:27:56,069
Out of the blue one day,
543
00:27:56,285 --> 00:27:58,321
I received this envelope...
544
00:27:58,456 --> 00:28:01,775
with an invitation
to join the Sea Project.
545
00:28:01,876 --> 00:28:04,060
It was completely confidential.
546
00:28:04,405 --> 00:28:06,390
I wasn't to tell anyone
about it,
547
00:28:07,197 --> 00:28:10,890
and I was so ecstatic.
548
00:28:10,917 --> 00:28:13,187
Here was a chance
to work with Hubbard.
549
00:28:13,752 --> 00:28:15,961
And I signed, "Yes!"
550
00:28:16,052 --> 00:28:20,291
I was on my way to the
greatest adventure in my life.
551
00:28:21,141 --> 00:28:25,000
We had an overnight flight
to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands,
552
00:28:25,703 --> 00:28:28,933
where we found,
at about 6:00 in the morning,
553
00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:32,234
we were taxied down to a dock.
554
00:28:32,352 --> 00:28:34,987
We had to climb up
this rickety ladder,
555
00:28:35,105 --> 00:28:37,273
all the way up to the ship,
556
00:28:37,391 --> 00:28:39,777
and we couldn't believe
this was where we were going.
557
00:28:39,894 --> 00:28:43,114
This ship was a rusty hulk.
558
00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:46,787
I was given a dirty
old jumpsuit to get into,
559
00:28:46,811 --> 00:28:50,393
missing one arm and the other
one was almost half torn off,
560
00:28:50,536 --> 00:28:54,615
and put to work. We had to scrub
the ship and clean out the ship,
561
00:28:54,739 --> 00:28:58,066
which was arduous,
strenuous work,
562
00:28:58,209 --> 00:28:59,962
in the heat.
563
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,180
Hubbard came
to the ship every day,
564
00:29:02,297 --> 00:29:05,434
smoking cigarettes
and surveying his kingdom.
565
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:08,743
After dinner,
he'd come and join us...
566
00:29:09,103 --> 00:29:11,222
on the well deck.
567
00:29:11,356 --> 00:29:13,221
There he was, you know,
right amongst us,
568
00:29:13,356 --> 00:29:15,308
talking to us.
569
00:29:15,425 --> 00:29:19,061
He would be
his most magnificent self...
570
00:29:19,195 --> 00:29:21,448
at those times.
571
00:29:21,565 --> 00:29:25,017
He'd lean back,
he'd look up at the cosmos,
572
00:29:25,351 --> 00:29:27,682
and he'd point out galaxies...
573
00:29:28,766 --> 00:29:30,435
and constellations,
574
00:29:30,459 --> 00:29:33,208
and he'd say, "The Fifth
Invaders are up there,
575
00:29:33,325 --> 00:29:36,128
and this is how they dressed
and this is how they talk.
576
00:29:36,246 --> 00:29:38,747
And see that blip
across the sky over there?"
577
00:29:38,882 --> 00:29:42,699
He'd point it out, and we were
all, "Yes, we see it, we see it."
578
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,052
He'd say, "And that's one
of their space vessels..."
579
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:48,232
And there was the Fourth
Invader force was here.
580
00:29:48,763 --> 00:29:51,258
The Fifth Invader Force
came in.
581
00:29:51,392 --> 00:29:55,528
And the name of this solar
system is Space Station 33.
582
00:29:55,552 --> 00:29:57,416
The Fourth Invader force
had been there...
583
00:29:57,805 --> 00:30:00,266
for God knows how many
skillion years,
584
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,732
had been sitting down...
585
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,102
And we'd sit there, spellbound.
586
00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:07,440
You could hear a pin drop
on that ship.
587
00:30:07,574 --> 00:30:12,160
He had us emotionally
captured and held...
588
00:30:12,278 --> 00:30:15,746
right there in the palm
of his hand where he wanted us.
589
00:30:15,863 --> 00:30:18,031
He had us right there.
590
00:30:20,083 --> 00:30:21,050
In the early '60s...
591
00:30:21,071 --> 00:30:24,370
Hubbard was under investigation
in various countries.
592
00:30:24,487 --> 00:30:27,002
His solution was to take
to the high seas.
593
00:30:27,121 --> 00:30:29,831
He made himself commodore
of a fleet of three ships,
594
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:31,787
a Scientology navy.
595
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,304
To crew the vessels,
he created the Sea Organization.
596
00:30:37,017 --> 00:30:39,234
The members of this so-called Sea Org...
597
00:30:39,334 --> 00:30:41,636
would become
the church's clergy.
598
00:30:41,770 --> 00:30:45,077
They began going from port to port
in the Mediterranean,
599
00:30:45,307 --> 00:30:47,022
show up for a few days,
600
00:30:47,064 --> 00:30:49,651
and then go off, sail off
in some other direction.
601
00:30:49,685 --> 00:30:54,120
And a very enterprising reporter
for Grenada Television in Britain...
602
00:30:54,533 --> 00:30:55,767
tracked him down...
603
00:30:55,867 --> 00:30:57,534
Slate one, take one.
604
00:30:57,651 --> 00:30:59,467
That's one
of the very few instances...
605
00:30:59,518 --> 00:31:02,573
where Hubbard has actually
appeared on camera.
606
00:31:03,658 --> 00:31:07,256
What are you actually doing
on this ship now?
607
00:31:07,795 --> 00:31:10,779
I am studying
ancient civilizations,
608
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,040
trying to find
what happened to them,
609
00:31:14,124 --> 00:31:16,752
finding out why they went...
610
00:31:16,869 --> 00:31:20,455
into a decline, why they died.
611
00:31:21,071 --> 00:31:24,084
Hubbard believed that
he had lived various lives
612
00:31:24,216 --> 00:31:28,480
in the Mediterranean area
as a Fenician prince,
613
00:31:28,598 --> 00:31:30,815
as an Italian prince.
614
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:32,367
As a matter of fact,
it's quite interesting
615
00:31:32,398 --> 00:31:35,467
that exercises can be conducted,
616
00:31:35,568 --> 00:31:38,141
which demonstrate conclusively
that there are memories...
617
00:31:38,228 --> 00:31:40,440
which exist prior to this life.
618
00:31:40,558 --> 00:31:43,910
He had buried treasure
all around the coastline...
619
00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:48,497
and he wanted to go find
all these caches of treasure.
620
00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:51,784
We were all very heated,
very excited about this.
621
00:31:51,901 --> 00:31:54,832
Whatever was
his whim, we did.
622
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:57,218
We would have died
for the old man.
623
00:31:58,257 --> 00:31:59,645
Don't you wake up sometimes...
624
00:31:59,926 --> 00:32:02,511
in the middle of the night
and think to yourself,
625
00:32:02,577 --> 00:32:05,162
"Well, I've been on this ship
with a whole lot
626
00:32:05,186 --> 00:32:07,194
of Scientologists
who believe I'm fantastic."
627
00:32:07,307 --> 00:32:09,266
They don't believe I'm fantastic.
628
00:32:09,384 --> 00:32:14,021
If you saw the number of times
they don't follow my orders...
629
00:32:15,189 --> 00:32:17,842
LRH started to devise...
630
00:32:17,943 --> 00:32:20,779
a system of penalties
or punishments,
631
00:32:20,896 --> 00:32:22,395
or what he called ethics.
632
00:32:22,528 --> 00:32:24,965
And one of the penalties
for the auditors...
633
00:32:25,095 --> 00:32:27,533
making mistakes
in their auditing sessions...
634
00:32:27,652 --> 00:32:29,431
was to be tossed overboard.
635
00:32:29,576 --> 00:32:32,404
"You have done such and such
and such and such,
636
00:32:32,538 --> 00:32:35,040
and we commit your errors
to the deep."
637
00:32:35,157 --> 00:32:38,327
And then just pushed
overboard.
638
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:41,546
30 feet, 35 feet,
639
00:32:59,712 --> 00:33:02,552
Do you ever think that
you might be quite mad?
640
00:33:02,649 --> 00:33:04,678
Oh, yes!
641
00:33:04,984 --> 00:33:08,034
The one man in the world
who never believes he's mad...
642
00:33:08,059 --> 00:33:10,572
is the madman.
643
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:32,501
So we got married a year
and a half after we joined
644
00:33:32,727 --> 00:33:35,268
and moved to California.
I wanted to be a writer,
645
00:33:35,327 --> 00:33:37,779
and my wife,
she was studying Scientology.
646
00:33:37,803 --> 00:33:40,149
We had a baby right away,
and the only people
647
00:33:40,266 --> 00:33:42,252
we knew there were Scientologists.
648
00:33:42,369 --> 00:33:44,888
I was working as a furniture
mover during the day...
649
00:33:45,005 --> 00:33:47,592
and writing spec scripts
at night.
650
00:33:47,709 --> 00:33:50,496
Then on the weekends, I'd be,
you know, doing some auditing.
651
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,886
Can you recall a time
when you were happy?
652
00:33:51,985 --> 00:33:53,428
There was
a social aspect to it too.
653
00:33:53,529 --> 00:33:54,896
You got to hang out
with people.
654
00:33:55,013 --> 00:33:57,932
And there were some interesting
people, nice people.
655
00:33:58,033 --> 00:34:00,777
These are all people who are
looking to improve their life.
656
00:34:22,506 --> 00:34:24,655
While Hubbard was hiding
from public view,
657
00:34:24,672 --> 00:34:27,960
he was very active in directing
the operations of the church,
658
00:34:28,061 --> 00:34:30,095
particularly in Hollywood.
659
00:34:30,212 --> 00:34:32,803
This was just after
the Haight-Ashbury era.
660
00:34:32,827 --> 00:34:35,002
And what Scientology
was selling itself is,
661
00:34:35,383 --> 00:34:37,734
"Get high without drugs."
662
00:34:37,851 --> 00:34:40,895
It was a place where people
went and explored ideas,
663
00:34:41,107 --> 00:34:43,198
and you would often see
famous people...
664
00:34:43,943 --> 00:34:46,819
Leonard Cohen,
members of the Grateful Dead,
665
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:48,863
Rock Hudson.
666
00:34:48,997 --> 00:34:51,531
So they built
the Celebrity Centre.
667
00:34:51,665 --> 00:34:55,085
The idea was to draw in
these famous entertainers
668
00:34:55,251 --> 00:34:57,974
and use them as pitchmen
for the religion.
669
00:34:58,870 --> 00:35:01,090
In an industry like Hollywood,
670
00:35:01,207 --> 00:35:04,794
where stardom is such...
such an illusive quality,
671
00:35:04,912 --> 00:35:09,125
Scientology would offer a route
to maybe feel a little bit more secure.
672
00:35:09,149 --> 00:35:11,966
And when you're trying to break
in, you're also dealing with
673
00:35:12,084 --> 00:35:13,476
relentless rejection.
674
00:35:13,804 --> 00:35:15,603
And something
that helps you stay focused
675
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,190
and feel that
you're improving yourself
676
00:35:18,307 --> 00:35:21,763
and becoming more clear,
you can see the appeal of that.
677
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:26,586
The beliefs and practices
that I have studied in Scientology...
678
00:35:26,697 --> 00:35:29,398
have been invaluable to me.
679
00:35:29,533 --> 00:35:31,484
Have you ever met
Ron Hubbard?
680
00:35:31,618 --> 00:35:35,321
I'd love to. I'd be honored,
because I think he's so brilliant.
681
00:35:39,044 --> 00:35:41,276
So when I worked
at the Celebrity Centre,
682
00:35:41,444 --> 00:35:44,678
I would just, you know,
recruit various people.
683
00:35:44,779 --> 00:35:48,020
Like Priscilla Presley
and of course John Travolta.
684
00:35:48,664 --> 00:35:51,919
Johnny, he came,
he started on course,
685
00:35:52,053 --> 00:35:54,506
and he was so fun
and outrageous.
686
00:35:54,623 --> 00:35:57,775
And he just made a party
wherever he was.
687
00:35:57,892 --> 00:36:00,020
John Travolta
was a young actor
688
00:36:00,177 --> 00:36:02,035
in his very first movie.
689
00:36:03,481 --> 00:36:05,656
He was a troubled young man,
690
00:36:05,724 --> 00:36:07,234
and he was looking for help.
691
00:36:07,351 --> 00:36:11,272
A fellow actor gave him a little
bit of Scientology counseling.
692
00:36:11,406 --> 00:36:13,074
She gave him a copy of "Dianetics,"
693
00:36:13,189 --> 00:36:15,358
and he was transported
by this.
694
00:36:15,475 --> 00:36:16,725
He would go out on his auditions,
695
00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,501
and no matter what he went out for,
he would get it.
696
00:36:21,027 --> 00:36:23,415
A Band-Aid commercial,
right away he booked that.
697
00:36:23,532 --> 00:36:24,916
Now the Army starts you...
698
00:36:25,034 --> 00:36:26,451
He was booking everything,
699
00:36:26,585 --> 00:36:28,862
and then he went up
for a series.
700
00:36:28,872 --> 00:36:30,502
Of course, he books it.
701
00:36:30,526 --> 00:36:32,764
And it's a big series,
"Welcome Back, Kotter."
702
00:36:32,924 --> 00:36:34,592
Up your nose
with a rubber hose!
703
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,597
In the late '70s and early '80s,
704
00:36:38,714 --> 00:36:42,283
John Travolta was
Scientology's biggest star.
705
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,809
Spanky was assigned to be Travolta's
key contact with the church...
706
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:49,821
and she helped out with
producers, fans, and the press.
707
00:36:49,939 --> 00:36:52,707
They became close,
and when Spanky got married,
708
00:36:52,866 --> 00:36:54,695
Travolta was there.
709
00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:57,503
When Johnny first
got into Scientology,
710
00:36:57,747 --> 00:36:59,781
he didn't even believe in
himself that much.
711
00:36:59,899 --> 00:37:02,399
But he got injected
with a lot of confidence,
712
00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:04,612
and then you get
this phobia inducement
713
00:37:04,904 --> 00:37:07,907
that "If I leave, it's all
going to go down the tubes."
714
00:37:08,282 --> 00:37:09,804
When you're in the organization,
715
00:37:10,125 --> 00:37:12,209
all the good
that happens to you
716
00:37:12,326 --> 00:37:13,944
is because of Scientology,
717
00:37:14,045 --> 00:37:17,285
and everything that doesn't,
that isn't good, is your fault.
718
00:37:18,634 --> 00:37:21,919
They sell it all in the beginning
as something quite logical.
719
00:37:21,943 --> 00:37:23,551
Everything makes sense.
720
00:37:24,245 --> 00:37:26,890
And you're going up
what they call the Bridge,
721
00:37:27,007 --> 00:37:29,010
you're dong this auditing,
and this is good.
722
00:37:29,143 --> 00:37:31,310
And the next one,
well, it's not quite as good.
723
00:37:31,346 --> 00:37:33,328
It didn't quite make sense
to you, but...
724
00:37:34,214 --> 00:37:37,295
you know, you've already paid for the
next one, so you'll do that one.
725
00:37:39,068 --> 00:37:41,802
The Bridge, it's a metaphor.
726
00:37:41,903 --> 00:37:44,305
You start here
at the bottom of the Bridge...
727
00:37:44,406 --> 00:37:46,157
and then you go to the top,
so where it is...
728
00:37:46,275 --> 00:37:48,328
it's an awareness scale.
729
00:37:49,086 --> 00:37:51,488
You start down here
and you're not aware of anything,
730
00:37:51,729 --> 00:37:54,164
then you go up here
and you're a lot more aware...
731
00:37:54,281 --> 00:37:56,833
of who you are,
732
00:37:56,951 --> 00:38:01,289
your spirituality,
your relationship to others.
733
00:38:01,406 --> 00:38:04,458
A person is supposed
to become more able...
734
00:38:04,576 --> 00:38:06,209
as they go up the Bridge.
735
00:38:06,344 --> 00:38:10,328
And then there are
the OT levels...
736
00:38:10,429 --> 00:38:12,014
Operating Thetan.
737
00:38:12,132 --> 00:38:14,165
And a thetan is a spiritual being.
738
00:38:14,266 --> 00:38:16,542
That's the soul of the person.
739
00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:18,744
And what level, over time,
did you achieve?
740
00:38:19,262 --> 00:38:22,006
OT eight.
That's the highest there is.
741
00:38:22,107 --> 00:38:24,232
You can't get any higher
than OT eight.
742
00:38:24,307 --> 00:38:26,361
From the beginning,
you hear these stories
743
00:38:26,478 --> 00:38:29,198
people tell of these abilities
they've been able to gain.
744
00:38:29,315 --> 00:38:32,709
It was always talked about, the people
who were OT could read your mind,
745
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:35,445
and they could
move objects at will,
746
00:38:35,571 --> 00:38:39,490
and they could, they were cause over
matter, energy, space, and time,
747
00:38:39,607 --> 00:38:42,080
so it sounded
damn good to me.
748
00:38:42,282 --> 00:38:45,345
I mean, I thought,
"Wow, this is great."
749
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,305
I finally get to OT three,
750
00:38:49,508 --> 00:38:51,167
and they give me
the secret materials,
751
00:38:51,191 --> 00:38:52,359
which I've been hearing about
all this time.
752
00:38:52,507 --> 00:38:54,804
They're handwritten by Hubbard.
753
00:38:54,921 --> 00:38:57,147
You have to keep them
in a locked briefcase,
754
00:38:57,675 --> 00:38:59,474
be very cautious,
because they always said,
755
00:38:59,592 --> 00:39:01,510
"If this gets out,
it's dangerous to people.
756
00:39:01,627 --> 00:39:05,679
It could actually do them harm if
they are not adequately prepared."
757
00:39:06,396 --> 00:39:08,297
And I read it.
758
00:39:09,877 --> 00:39:11,512
And...
759
00:39:11,802 --> 00:39:14,031
it doesn't make any sense.
760
00:39:14,055 --> 00:39:16,960
This gobbled story
that didn't make sense.
761
00:39:16,992 --> 00:39:20,217
I remember for one fleeting second
thinking, "Maybe it's an insanity test.
762
00:39:21,077 --> 00:39:22,843
"Maybe if you believe this,
they kick you out.
763
00:39:22,863 --> 00:39:25,999
You know, maybe that's it."
That, of course, is not the case.
764
00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:29,147
They talk about, you know,
the fact that the earth was created
765
00:39:29,453 --> 00:39:31,706
in such-and-such trillions
of years ago,
766
00:39:31,823 --> 00:39:34,684
and this guy...
Space Guy...
767
00:39:34,816 --> 00:39:37,548
Galactic Overlord...
this was a prison planet,
768
00:39:37,572 --> 00:39:40,511
and people being caught, captured,
769
00:39:40,629 --> 00:39:42,224
and being brought
to planet Earth...
770
00:39:42,416 --> 00:39:45,820
and put them in volcanoes
and blowing them up with A-bombs.
771
00:39:45,844 --> 00:39:47,435
Whoa!
772
00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:49,626
I studied geography
in school.
773
00:39:49,694 --> 00:39:53,126
Those volcanoes didn't exist
75 million years ago.
774
00:39:53,231 --> 00:39:56,232
And we have these lost souls
all over us...
775
00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:58,595
and we have to get rid
of them, and I'm going,
776
00:39:58,696 --> 00:40:02,481
"What... the fuck
are you talking about?
777
00:40:02,564 --> 00:40:05,217
"I mean, I'm down
for the self-help stuff.
778
00:40:05,234 --> 00:40:06,651
I'm down for...
okay, I can be clear.
779
00:40:06,785 --> 00:40:08,910
I can get rid of the negative emotions.
780
00:40:09,069 --> 00:40:10,439
But what the fuck is this?"
781
00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:16,661
When you get to the upper
levels of Scientology,
782
00:40:16,663 --> 00:40:18,970
the creation myth
is explained to you.
783
00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:23,124
The story is that
75 million years ago,
784
00:40:23,426 --> 00:40:25,787
people lived in a world
very much like the world
785
00:40:25,888 --> 00:40:28,423
of America in the 1950s.
786
00:40:28,540 --> 00:40:30,642
People, at that particular
time and space,
787
00:40:30,759 --> 00:40:33,122
were walking around
in clothes which looked...
788
00:40:33,209 --> 00:40:36,845
very remarkably like the clothes
they wear in this very minute.
789
00:40:36,979 --> 00:40:40,429
And the cars they drove
looked exactly the same,
790
00:40:40,566 --> 00:40:43,981
and they walked down streets
that looked like these streets.
791
00:40:44,155 --> 00:40:46,110
It was a very similar world...
792
00:40:46,346 --> 00:40:47,774
and similar problems,
793
00:40:47,891 --> 00:40:50,109
one of which
was overpopulation.
794
00:40:50,243 --> 00:40:52,993
They had elected a fellow
by the name of Xenu...
795
00:40:53,212 --> 00:40:55,014
to the supreme ruler.
796
00:40:55,038 --> 00:40:57,104
There was a tyrannical overlord...
797
00:40:57,128 --> 00:40:59,650
of the galactic confederacy
named Xenu.
798
00:41:00,391 --> 00:41:03,522
In order to resolve this
problem of overpopulation,
799
00:41:03,546 --> 00:41:05,036
he called people in,
800
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:07,206
ostensibly for tax audits,
801
00:41:07,457 --> 00:41:12,691
and had them frozen with injections
of glycol to their heart.
802
00:41:12,764 --> 00:41:15,770
Boxed them up in boxes,
threw 'em into space planes...
803
00:41:15,794 --> 00:41:18,143
DC-8 airplane is the exact copy...
804
00:41:18,351 --> 00:41:21,220
of the space plane
of that day.
805
00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:25,308
They were flown to
the prison planet, Teegeeack.
806
00:41:25,425 --> 00:41:26,809
It's actually the planet Earth...
807
00:41:27,608 --> 00:41:31,667
and these frozen bodies were
then dropped into volcanoes.
808
00:41:31,897 --> 00:41:33,826
And then they set off
hydrogen bombs...
809
00:41:34,064 --> 00:41:35,976
on the top of each volcano.
810
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:38,285
And their disembodied spirits,
811
00:41:38,403 --> 00:41:40,122
these are called thetans,
812
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,808
floated out,
and they were captured...
813
00:41:43,207 --> 00:41:46,243
and forced to sit
in front of movie screens.
814
00:41:46,377 --> 00:41:49,831
With a 3D, super colossal,
motion picture.
815
00:41:49,948 --> 00:41:51,881
They were shown images...
816
00:41:51,998 --> 00:41:54,207
implants,
as Hubbard would have it.
817
00:41:54,231 --> 00:41:55,718
Every man is shown crucified,
818
00:41:55,877 --> 00:41:58,170
so is the psychiatrist
shown crucified.
819
00:41:58,671 --> 00:42:00,305
And that's how he gets away
with what he gets away with.
820
00:42:01,022 --> 00:42:02,553
He electric-shocks people.
821
00:42:03,644 --> 00:42:06,378
And when a child is born,
822
00:42:06,479 --> 00:42:09,764
a thetan will leap inside
the child's body
823
00:42:09,898 --> 00:42:13,217
at that very instant, and it
becomes like the child's soul.
824
00:42:13,319 --> 00:42:16,571
More than one thetan
might crowd into the body...
825
00:42:16,688 --> 00:42:19,391
hundreds,
or thousands, might.
826
00:42:19,492 --> 00:42:21,442
They're the source
of all of our neurosis,
827
00:42:21,577 --> 00:42:22,992
fears, and anxieties.
828
00:42:25,111 --> 00:42:27,061
Then you are on the E-meter,
829
00:42:27,414 --> 00:42:28,446
by yourself, now.
830
00:42:28,581 --> 00:42:29,916
You're soloing.
831
00:42:30,414 --> 00:42:33,220
You're supposed to scan, mentally,
832
00:42:33,454 --> 00:42:35,404
from your top of your head
to your toes,
833
00:42:35,873 --> 00:42:39,909
to see if you can locate
any alien beings.
834
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,417
And when you do,
you tell them to go away.
835
00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:46,849
I kept on trying to audit.
836
00:42:47,017 --> 00:42:51,288
I could not figure out
how I could have
837
00:42:51,387 --> 00:42:54,957
all these spirits of dead
people attached to me,
838
00:42:54,981 --> 00:42:56,453
inside me, on me.
839
00:42:56,475 --> 00:42:58,218
I was clear.
840
00:42:58,526 --> 00:43:00,978
For God's sake, I was clear.
841
00:43:01,111 --> 00:43:03,147
People actually have breakdowns,
842
00:43:03,281 --> 00:43:04,188
you know, nervous breakdowns,
843
00:43:04,355 --> 00:43:07,338
because they spend
so much time thinking...
844
00:43:07,362 --> 00:43:10,018
about being infested
by these creatures.
845
00:43:10,885 --> 00:43:14,407
If you're really believing that,
it can drive you crazy.
846
00:43:26,735 --> 00:43:28,423
Those years of introspection...
847
00:43:28,586 --> 00:43:32,256
eventually led me
to sincerely considering...
848
00:43:32,373 --> 00:43:34,957
that I was so bad,
849
00:43:36,010 --> 00:43:40,538
that I couldn't confront
how bad I was.
850
00:43:40,715 --> 00:43:43,183
I didn't know it at the time,
851
00:43:43,317 --> 00:43:46,566
but a depression set in
that was with me for years,
852
00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:49,652
and the worst thing was that...
853
00:43:49,676 --> 00:43:53,691
LRH kept ordering me
to more auditing.
854
00:43:54,544 --> 00:43:57,177
I had to find swords
that were stuck in me,
855
00:43:57,438 --> 00:43:59,414
hypothetical swords,
856
00:43:59,531 --> 00:44:03,148
imaginary swords that
were causing all this pain.
857
00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:05,589
This auditing went on and on.
858
00:44:05,706 --> 00:44:07,371
It wasn't doing any good.
859
00:44:07,506 --> 00:44:09,823
I should have been left alone.
860
00:44:10,990 --> 00:44:13,354
But everything
that I took offense with,
861
00:44:13,378 --> 00:44:16,421
I rationalized almost immediately.
862
00:44:16,445 --> 00:44:17,326
I had to.
863
00:44:17,554 --> 00:44:21,635
I could not continue
in this game of Scientology
864
00:44:21,751 --> 00:44:25,821
without explaining away
what he was doing.
865
00:44:26,853 --> 00:44:30,209
It got to be a way of believing,
866
00:44:30,393 --> 00:44:35,319
and every one of us
got into that.
867
00:44:35,343 --> 00:44:38,455
It was part
of the mind control.
868
00:44:38,985 --> 00:44:42,237
It was part
of the cultic manipulation.
869
00:44:42,371 --> 00:44:45,572
He was the master
who did it to us,
870
00:44:45,707 --> 00:44:49,364
and we took it on and then
we did it to ourselves.
871
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,411
And I learned from it,
872
00:44:52,579 --> 00:44:54,674
that I would never ever again,
873
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:58,334
you know, go...
do the bidding of a tyrant.
874
00:45:09,588 --> 00:45:11,519
Hubbard questioned
his own sanity...
875
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:15,018
and actually wrote a letter
to the Veteran's Administration
876
00:45:15,134 --> 00:45:16,886
asking for psychiatric help...
877
00:45:16,987 --> 00:45:20,322
that he seems
never to have been given.
878
00:45:20,439 --> 00:45:24,365
I think that his whole
creation of Scientology...
879
00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:26,727
really was a form
of self-therapy.
880
00:45:27,481 --> 00:45:30,327
If he were just a fraud,
then at some point,
881
00:45:30,351 --> 00:45:31,896
he would have
taken the money and run,
882
00:45:31,984 --> 00:45:33,094
but he never did that.
883
00:45:33,166 --> 00:45:36,088
He spent much of his day
on the E-meter,
884
00:45:36,205 --> 00:45:40,299
trying to understand what was going
on inside his own mind.
885
00:45:41,706 --> 00:45:43,710
Hubbard became increasingly paranoid...
886
00:45:43,827 --> 00:45:46,245
that a powerful thetan
had infected his body
887
00:45:46,771 --> 00:45:50,250
and that regular auditing wasn't strong
enough to make it leave.
888
00:45:50,891 --> 00:45:52,719
When Larry Wright
was researching his book,
889
00:45:52,836 --> 00:45:55,642
he videotaped an interview
with a Scientologist
890
00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:58,979
who was asked to help
Hubbard expel the thetan.
891
00:45:59,003 --> 00:46:01,270
He was having, uh, problems...
892
00:46:01,343 --> 00:46:04,312
getting rid of a BT,
body thetan...
893
00:46:04,446 --> 00:46:07,031
so he wanted me
to build a machine,
894
00:46:07,149 --> 00:46:09,566
and basically
blow the thetan away,
895
00:46:09,699 --> 00:46:10,984
just get him out of there.
896
00:46:11,118 --> 00:46:13,621
Blow him out.
And also kill the body.
897
00:46:16,425 --> 00:46:17,941
- Basically, yeah.
- Yeah.
898
00:46:19,492 --> 00:46:21,109
But I didn't want to kill him.
899
00:46:21,227 --> 00:46:23,013
I just wanted to scare him.
900
00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:27,134
So I had read some books
about Nikola Tesla and stuff,
901
00:46:27,251 --> 00:46:29,643
and I figured maybe
buildin' a Tesla coil
902
00:46:29,667 --> 00:46:31,958
would probably be
the best route to go.
903
00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:37,223
I had little electrodes
that you hook it up to the E-meter,
904
00:46:37,265 --> 00:46:38,592
so when he's on the cans,
905
00:46:38,727 --> 00:46:40,569
then, uh, he would
just flip the button,
906
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:42,429
and it would do its thing.
907
00:46:46,899 --> 00:46:49,635
As far as I know.
He blew up my E-meter.
908
00:46:50,229 --> 00:46:51,628
Burned it up.
909
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,427
Scientology really is a journey...
910
00:46:56,776 --> 00:46:59,113
into the mind of L. Ron Hubbard.
911
00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:02,331
And the further you get into it,
912
00:47:02,449 --> 00:47:05,667
the more like L. Ron
Hubbard you become.
913
00:47:13,234 --> 00:47:14,963
Thank you.
914
00:47:16,698 --> 00:47:20,867
In 1980,
LRH moved off the lines,
915
00:47:22,508 --> 00:47:24,046
so that he could
continue his writings...
916
00:47:24,386 --> 00:47:27,472
and researches
without any distractions.
917
00:47:32,364 --> 00:47:34,917
He has now moved on
to his next OT...
918
00:47:35,195 --> 00:47:37,182
level of OT research.
919
00:47:37,731 --> 00:47:40,839
This level is beyond anything
any one of us ever imagined.
920
00:47:41,687 --> 00:47:43,400
This level is in fact done
921
00:47:43,937 --> 00:47:45,661
in an exterior state,
922
00:47:46,789 --> 00:47:50,386
meaning that it is done
completely exterior from the body.
923
00:47:51,675 --> 00:47:53,350
At this level of OT,
924
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:56,143
the body is nothing more
than an impediment...
925
00:47:57,413 --> 00:48:01,011
and encumbrance
to any further gain as an OT.
926
00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:03,934
Thus...
927
00:48:06,219 --> 00:48:08,996
thus, at 2000 hours,
928
00:48:09,445 --> 00:48:13,922
Friday,
the 24th of January, A.D. 36,
929
00:48:14,515 --> 00:48:16,319
L. Ron Hubbard
discarded the body...
930
00:48:16,567 --> 00:48:19,273
he had used in this lifetime
for 74 years,
931
00:48:19,818 --> 00:48:22,714
10 months, and 11 days.
932
00:48:22,855 --> 00:48:25,024
Although you may feel grief,
933
00:48:25,141 --> 00:48:29,550
understand that he did not,
and does not now.
934
00:48:32,628 --> 00:48:35,171
Hubbard died
of a stroke in 1986,
935
00:48:35,501 --> 00:48:38,088
but he left no plan for succession.
936
00:48:38,454 --> 00:48:41,087
The ambitious David Miscavige
stepped forward,
937
00:48:41,414 --> 00:48:43,907
and by bending arms
and making deals,
938
00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:45,575
took control of the church...
939
00:48:45,676 --> 00:48:48,387
and installed a new
generation of lieutenants.
940
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:50,214
We want to make sure...
941
00:48:50,331 --> 00:48:53,718
that all of us end cycle
on this completely,
942
00:48:53,852 --> 00:48:56,885
so we can get on
with the job...
943
00:48:57,002 --> 00:48:58,754
that is ahead of us.
944
00:48:58,855 --> 00:49:02,474
The first time I met
Miscavige was in '83...
945
00:49:02,608 --> 00:49:05,149
he was a guy running back
and forth between Hubbard...
946
00:49:05,953 --> 00:49:08,144
and the property in Hemet in a van...
947
00:49:08,168 --> 00:49:11,149
back and forth,
delivering messages.
948
00:49:11,283 --> 00:49:13,758
Worked my way
through the organization.
949
00:49:13,901 --> 00:49:16,461
Miscavige would
come down to Florida,
950
00:49:16,485 --> 00:49:18,085
where I was running the place...
951
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,243
and we slowly
but surely became friends.
952
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,478
By 2001, I was working
directly for Miscavige.
953
00:49:25,494 --> 00:49:27,775
We'd sit and drink
a bottle of Scotch,
954
00:49:27,799 --> 00:49:29,815
and I'd hear everything
he had to say about the church,
955
00:49:29,933 --> 00:49:32,518
and about the people involved,
from his perspective.
956
00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:35,806
And honestly, it was... it was,
uh, horrifying. It was scary.
957
00:49:36,905 --> 00:49:38,618
In Scientology,
there was a concept...
958
00:49:38,642 --> 00:49:41,625
that 98% of the people
are good and 2% are evil.
959
00:49:41,726 --> 00:49:44,287
Well, he worked very hard
to convince me...
960
00:49:44,379 --> 00:49:45,898
that it was
the other way around.
961
00:49:46,015 --> 00:49:49,184
2.5% were okay and the rest
were very evil and bad.
962
00:49:49,318 --> 00:49:53,013
And somehow, they'd all
been dumped on that base,
963
00:49:53,037 --> 00:49:54,325
so they could be around him.
964
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:56,271
He was...
he was extremely paranoid.
965
00:49:57,132 --> 00:50:00,006
So, Marty, is Miscavige
a true believer?
966
00:50:01,357 --> 00:50:04,134
Uh, yes.
967
00:50:05,747 --> 00:50:07,655
He has to continue to believe,
968
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,271
because if he looks
at it rationally...
969
00:50:09,295 --> 00:50:11,299
and he sees that it
is as I say,
970
00:50:11,637 --> 00:50:13,245
it will destroy him.
971
00:50:13,407 --> 00:50:15,507
You know,
he'll just realize that...
972
00:50:15,625 --> 00:50:19,044
because he's done
a lot worse than I've done.
973
00:50:19,178 --> 00:50:21,930
He's abused people
on a personal level,
974
00:50:22,046 --> 00:50:26,057
um, as a... as a...
That's how he got to the top,
975
00:50:26,652 --> 00:50:28,377
and that's how
he stayed at the top.
976
00:50:29,703 --> 00:50:31,526
At the age of 11,
977
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:34,558
David Miscavige joined
the church with his parents.
978
00:50:34,693 --> 00:50:37,561
As a child, his ambition
caught Hubbard's eye.
979
00:50:37,695 --> 00:50:39,651
So when Hubbard wanted
to become a filmmaker,
980
00:50:39,931 --> 00:50:42,203
Miscavige was
his assistant cameraman.
981
00:50:42,766 --> 00:50:44,322
An auditing prodigy,
982
00:50:44,402 --> 00:50:47,067
he claimed Scientology
cured his asthma.
983
00:50:47,678 --> 00:50:50,459
He became a sort of general
contractor for the church,
984
00:50:50,656 --> 00:50:52,638
and was soon named
action chief,
985
00:50:52,826 --> 00:50:55,409
the man who did whatever
needed doing for a church
986
00:50:55,544 --> 00:50:57,862
that developed a scary reputation...
987
00:50:57,963 --> 00:50:59,663
for attacking its critics.
988
00:50:59,781 --> 00:51:01,383
Scientology has been
in the headlines...
989
00:51:01,501 --> 00:51:02,884
off and on
for 25 years now,
990
00:51:03,001 --> 00:51:05,703
almost since the time
it was founded as a religion.
991
00:51:05,804 --> 00:51:07,844
Scientology's story
is one of a church...
992
00:51:08,057 --> 00:51:10,808
embittered by what
it perceives as harassment.
993
00:51:11,089 --> 00:51:12,066
We're talking about attacks
994
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:14,044
from multi-billion dollar
media conglomerates,
995
00:51:14,145 --> 00:51:17,564
world governments...
real powers of the world.
996
00:51:17,683 --> 00:51:20,001
They take enemies
very seriously.
997
00:51:20,149 --> 00:51:21,985
This comes right out
of Hubbard's own policies
998
00:51:22,102 --> 00:51:25,054
from the '60s, saying, "We never
defend, we always attack."
999
00:51:25,155 --> 00:51:27,073
And they have followed it
ever since.
1000
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:28,525
They call it "fair game"...
1001
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:31,526
and anybody who criticizes
Scientology is fair game.
1002
00:51:31,643 --> 00:51:33,078
Whatever you're told,
1003
00:51:33,195 --> 00:51:34,997
whatever needs to be done,
1004
00:51:35,114 --> 00:51:37,753
if it's against the law,
it doesn't matter.
1005
00:51:38,259 --> 00:51:40,157
The best example is,
in the mid '70s,
1006
00:51:40,181 --> 00:51:43,628
Scientologists were walking in to
these Department of Justice offices...
1007
00:51:43,822 --> 00:51:47,540
and IRS offices and taking
documents out by the yard.
1008
00:51:48,152 --> 00:51:49,823
The FBI raided
the Church of Scientology,
1009
00:51:49,927 --> 00:51:52,222
the largest raid in FBI
history at that time.
1010
00:51:52,246 --> 00:51:54,515
Oh my god. The building
is filled with FBI,
1011
00:51:54,632 --> 00:51:56,298
and they're...
they're taking things.
1012
00:51:56,433 --> 00:51:58,085
It was craziness.
1013
00:51:58,856 --> 00:52:01,075
Clearly, L. Ron Hubbard
was in charge of all of that,
1014
00:52:01,386 --> 00:52:03,623
but he was only named
an unindicted co-conspirator.
1015
00:52:03,740 --> 00:52:05,557
And Mary Sue Hubbard,
Hubbard's wife,
1016
00:52:05,674 --> 00:52:07,852
she went to prison,
10 others went to prison.
1017
00:52:08,946 --> 00:52:11,578
This was where I cut my teeth.
I was in my early 20s,
1018
00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:13,063
Miscavige
was in his early 20s.
1019
00:52:13,183 --> 00:52:14,918
We were taking over
for this group...
1020
00:52:14,951 --> 00:52:17,653
that had created the largest
domestic espionage operation...
1021
00:52:17,787 --> 00:52:19,287
in the history
of the United States.
1022
00:52:19,404 --> 00:52:20,789
They were
breaking into offices,
1023
00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:23,573
framing people. This is the
activities of a church?
1024
00:52:23,691 --> 00:52:25,076
There was a guy who,
uh, you know,
1025
00:52:25,193 --> 00:52:27,127
was a reporter
for "The LA Times,"
1026
00:52:27,244 --> 00:52:28,507
whose dog was poisoned...
1027
00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:30,714
while he was working
on a Scientology story.
1028
00:52:30,831 --> 00:52:32,966
Again and again
while reporting the story,
1029
00:52:33,083 --> 00:52:35,913
we met many former members
who describe Scientology...
1030
00:52:36,003 --> 00:52:39,289
as a dangerous and deeply
paranoid organization.
1031
00:52:39,888 --> 00:52:42,140
They hired private detectives
to harass people.
1032
00:52:42,175 --> 00:52:43,586
I have been sued twice.
1033
00:52:43,592 --> 00:52:44,633
Financial ruin.
1034
00:52:44,675 --> 00:52:46,029
Years of harassment.
1035
00:52:46,061 --> 00:52:47,795
Their homes broken into,
have them beaten.
1036
00:52:47,896 --> 00:52:50,933
We chased her around.
We followed her to the airport.
1037
00:52:51,066 --> 00:52:53,067
Gotten ahold of
personal phone records.
1038
00:52:53,144 --> 00:52:55,252
Slashed their tires,
break their car windows.
1039
00:52:55,413 --> 00:52:58,195
I was locked
in a chicken wire cage.
1040
00:52:58,224 --> 00:53:01,477
Dangerous, horrifying,
terrifying fraud.
1041
00:53:01,742 --> 00:53:03,304
A nightmare.
1042
00:53:03,351 --> 00:53:05,414
Many of their stories
are corroborated...
1043
00:53:05,531 --> 00:53:08,784
in sworn court testimony
by up to a dozen other people.
1044
00:53:08,901 --> 00:53:10,503
Are they all lying?
1045
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:11,449
They sat in a room,
1046
00:53:11,584 --> 00:53:13,153
they figured out
what they were going to say...
1047
00:53:13,254 --> 00:53:16,004
My position,
as the spokesperson,
1048
00:53:16,121 --> 00:53:19,459
was to evade the question,
1049
00:53:19,576 --> 00:53:21,634
or sleaze around some way,
1050
00:53:21,678 --> 00:53:23,636
or give what
was an acceptable answer,
1051
00:53:23,681 --> 00:53:25,700
or something
that I believed at the time.
1052
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,903
Please, welcome Mr. Mike Rinder.
1053
00:53:34,756 --> 00:53:37,025
Because Scientology
is perceived
1054
00:53:37,142 --> 00:53:39,776
and conceived
by Scientologists
1055
00:53:39,893 --> 00:53:43,146
as being the salvation
for mankind,
1056
00:53:43,263 --> 00:53:45,982
you can have people
that lie
1057
00:53:46,099 --> 00:53:48,851
with a very straight face
1058
00:53:48,952 --> 00:53:51,405
if they believe
that what they are doing
1059
00:53:51,539 --> 00:53:54,191
is protecting
the Church of Scientology.
1060
00:53:54,292 --> 00:53:55,458
L. Ron Hubbard says,
1061
00:53:55,576 --> 00:53:57,692
"We do not find critics
of Scientology
1062
00:53:57,792 --> 00:53:59,127
"who do not
have criminal pasts."
1063
00:53:59,244 --> 00:54:01,381
Do you believe that?
Sure.
1064
00:54:01,498 --> 00:54:03,967
People who oppose you
are undoubtedly criminals?
1065
00:54:04,084 --> 00:54:05,419
I believe that, yeah.
1066
00:54:05,553 --> 00:54:07,970
You know, there isn't
and hasn't been
1067
00:54:08,087 --> 00:54:10,673
any effort
which has been taken to,
1068
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:12,555
quote, "silence critics."
1069
00:54:12,672 --> 00:54:14,559
"No, that doesn't happen.
1070
00:54:14,676 --> 00:54:17,173
"Oh, we would never do that."
1071
00:54:17,261 --> 00:54:18,681
But according to many insiders,
1072
00:54:19,022 --> 00:54:21,016
Hubbard was growing
more and more vindictive
1073
00:54:21,133 --> 00:54:22,519
toward those
who stood in his way.
1074
00:54:23,695 --> 00:54:27,264
He created what he called
the Rehabilitation Project Force.
1075
00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:30,190
The RPF was what we called it.
1076
00:54:30,307 --> 00:54:31,525
It was the prison camp,
1077
00:54:31,642 --> 00:54:33,108
where you'd go
for re-indoctrination.
1078
00:54:35,590 --> 00:54:38,260
It was on the 7th floor
of the Hollywood headquarters,
1079
00:54:38,887 --> 00:54:41,230
a confined space
to rehabilitate members...
1080
00:54:41,367 --> 00:54:43,733
who might be harboring
subversive thoughts.
1081
00:54:43,835 --> 00:54:45,921
Spanky was sent to the RPF...
1082
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:47,600
when she objected
to the way the church...
1083
00:54:47,628 --> 00:54:50,208
had denied medical treatment
to her boss.
1084
00:54:50,656 --> 00:54:54,259
I went thinking, of course,
this is a big mistake.
1085
00:54:54,379 --> 00:54:56,847
And then I got there, and
there were like 200 of us.
1086
00:54:56,963 --> 00:54:59,800
So much of the exec strata
of the organization there...
1087
00:54:59,934 --> 00:55:01,803
hit the skids simultaneously.
1088
00:55:02,397 --> 00:55:05,312
RPF stands for
Rehabilitation Project Force.
1089
00:55:05,597 --> 00:55:08,891
It is a program that is exclusively...
1090
00:55:09,008 --> 00:55:11,610
for the benefit
of Sea Organization members.
1091
00:55:11,727 --> 00:55:14,113
If they are stressed out,
1092
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:15,932
if they're not doing well
on their job,
1093
00:55:16,033 --> 00:55:19,356
have them do menial-type work...
1094
00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:22,988
and five hours a day
of auditing...
1095
00:55:23,122 --> 00:55:25,373
and Scientology training.
1096
00:55:25,491 --> 00:55:26,992
It's a fabulous program.
1097
00:55:27,126 --> 00:55:29,586
We were working,
cross my heart,
1098
00:55:30,157 --> 00:55:31,762
30 hours on,
three hours off.
1099
00:55:31,864 --> 00:55:33,374
Doing, like, hard labor,
1100
00:55:33,398 --> 00:55:35,276
like having wire brushes
on windowsills,
1101
00:55:35,384 --> 00:55:37,201
and sanding
and sanding and sanding.
1102
00:55:37,225 --> 00:55:38,628
Breathing paint fumes.
1103
00:55:38,652 --> 00:55:40,709
The regular crew
would eat first,
1104
00:55:40,722 --> 00:55:42,462
and then we'd get
what was left.
1105
00:55:42,696 --> 00:55:43,937
It was kinda like table scraps.
1106
00:55:45,284 --> 00:55:47,204
There was mattresses
out there on the roof,
1107
00:55:47,226 --> 00:55:49,479
and they were wet
and soggy and gross.
1108
00:55:49,731 --> 00:55:51,651
And if you got to sleep
for three hours,
1109
00:55:51,682 --> 00:55:55,068
sometimes you'd just have
to up there and crash out.
1110
00:55:56,653 --> 00:55:59,004
And I had a young child
at that time,
1111
00:55:59,121 --> 00:56:01,629
who was 10 months old
when I went to the RPF.
1112
00:56:01,653 --> 00:56:03,726
She got taken
and put in the Cadet Org,
1113
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:06,077
the organization for the children.
1114
00:56:06,193 --> 00:56:09,476
And then I... I got pregnant
1115
00:56:10,251 --> 00:56:11,832
when I was in the RPF.
1116
00:56:11,950 --> 00:56:15,153
So now I'm sanding walls,
eating table scraps,
1117
00:56:15,254 --> 00:56:19,591
pregnant, and worrying
myself sick about my child.
1118
00:56:20,697 --> 00:56:23,000
In Spanky's time, the children
of Sea Org members...
1119
00:56:23,024 --> 00:56:24,549
were separated from their parents...
1120
00:56:24,573 --> 00:56:26,230
and raised in the Cadet Org...
1121
00:56:26,422 --> 00:56:30,379
to remove all distractions from their
parent's ultimate responsibility,
1122
00:56:30,550 --> 00:56:32,555
to clear the planet.
1123
00:56:32,579 --> 00:56:36,054
Sea Org members were often
pressured to have abortions,
1124
00:56:36,188 --> 00:56:38,340
because the church
viewed "getting children"...
1125
00:56:38,441 --> 00:56:40,841
as an unpractical burden.
1126
00:56:40,942 --> 00:56:44,112
Initially, you're like,
"This is absurd. This is nuts."
1127
00:56:44,312 --> 00:56:46,652
And then you kinda
settle in and go, "Well...
1128
00:56:48,652 --> 00:56:53,810
obviously, I need to deal with
something that I'm not facing.
1129
00:56:54,289 --> 00:56:55,907
So perhaps this is...
1130
00:56:56,041 --> 00:56:57,991
they're doing this
to make me better."
1131
00:57:01,996 --> 00:57:04,580
There are so many
bizarre stories that you...
1132
00:57:04,714 --> 00:57:06,832
just hard to believe stuff.
1133
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:08,972
They asked if I could
arrange a private screening
1134
00:57:08,996 --> 00:57:11,104
of "Saturday Night Fever."
1135
00:57:12,305 --> 00:57:13,973
And I was like, "What?"
1136
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:15,840
I had disappeared
from this man's life.
1137
00:57:15,864 --> 00:57:17,420
I abandoned him...
1138
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:20,364
and now you want me to
arrange a private screening?
1139
00:57:20,388 --> 00:57:21,580
"What are you... "
1140
00:57:21,604 --> 00:57:24,967
I said, "Is there anything else?
Maybe a Beatles reunion?"
1141
00:57:26,517 --> 00:57:28,936
Travolta had been wondering
where Spanky was.
1142
00:57:29,136 --> 00:57:30,613
When she was sent
to the RPF,
1143
00:57:30,637 --> 00:57:33,606
she was not allowed
to contact him or anyone else.
1144
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:35,725
But now,
under the watch of a guard,
1145
00:57:35,826 --> 00:57:38,729
she was permitted
to call Travolta's assistant.
1146
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:42,266
She said we could use John's
personal print of the film,
1147
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:44,772
under one condition,
that you will see John.
1148
00:57:45,508 --> 00:57:46,976
I was so excited.
1149
00:57:47,221 --> 00:57:49,606
I hadn't had dialogue
with him for many months.
1150
00:57:51,726 --> 00:57:53,215
We had the screening
of the film,
1151
00:57:53,561 --> 00:57:54,880
and on the next night...
1152
00:57:54,904 --> 00:57:56,563
I was supposed
to have dinner with Johnny.
1153
00:57:57,331 --> 00:57:58,913
And after the screening,
1154
00:57:59,014 --> 00:58:01,799
I was abruptly told
I wasn't going to see him,
1155
00:58:01,934 --> 00:58:03,883
and I needed
to call and cancel.
1156
00:58:03,907 --> 00:58:07,838
He was truly angry
at me for... for...
1157
00:58:09,135 --> 00:58:12,210
for having allowed this abuse
of myself, you know,
1158
00:58:12,234 --> 00:58:14,949
and for having that...
so little of myself...
1159
00:58:17,231 --> 00:58:20,284
that I would allow
this degree of degradation,
1160
00:58:20,308 --> 00:58:23,269
and, and um... and...
1161
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:25,070
and he was my good friend,
1162
00:58:25,187 --> 00:58:28,490
and I knew that he was
telling me the truth.
1163
00:58:30,518 --> 00:58:33,236
Those words were
such a wakeup call for me.
1164
00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,712
And I went over there,
to the Cadet Org.
1165
00:58:36,214 --> 00:58:38,119
There were so many
sick children in there,
1166
00:58:38,143 --> 00:58:39,911
and my daughter
was very, very ill,
1167
00:58:40,169 --> 00:58:43,351
burning up with fever,
completely neglected,
1168
00:58:44,204 --> 00:58:46,640
in a urine-soaked crib.
1169
00:58:46,757 --> 00:58:49,460
Her eyes were
so filled with mucus,
1170
00:58:49,561 --> 00:58:51,671
they were welded shut.
1171
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:54,428
She had fruit flies
on her body.
1172
00:58:54,482 --> 00:58:58,104
And I just... I couldn't bear it.
1173
00:58:58,128 --> 00:59:00,402
I just went,
"No, mmm-mmm, I'm done."
1174
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:04,140
I mean, I just knew I could
make these choices for me.
1175
00:59:04,241 --> 00:59:06,107
I could decide
to give up my life
1176
00:59:06,225 --> 00:59:08,078
and do this
to help the world,
1177
00:59:08,194 --> 00:59:10,362
but I couldn't make these
choices for my children.
1178
00:59:10,498 --> 00:59:12,532
I just had to get her out.
1179
00:59:15,194 --> 00:59:17,876
I told them that I was having
problems with my pregnancy,
1180
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:19,657
and I needed to use the phone.
1181
00:59:19,737 --> 00:59:21,456
So they sent
a bodyguard with me.
1182
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:25,556
I called one of the few
non-Scientologists I knew,
1183
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:28,424
a wonderful woman who happened
to work for John Travolta.
1184
00:59:28,869 --> 00:59:30,854
I said,
"Meet me at this address."
1185
00:59:30,881 --> 00:59:32,811
I gave her a time
and I hung up.
1186
00:59:32,835 --> 00:59:35,097
I go up to my daughter's room,
and I wrapped her up.
1187
00:59:38,485 --> 00:59:40,477
And there's
that bodyguard with me.
1188
00:59:40,776 --> 00:59:42,764
I said, "Oh, my sister-in-law
is in that car...
1189
00:59:42,893 --> 00:59:45,177
and she's gonna
take the baby to the doctor."
1190
00:59:45,278 --> 00:59:46,611
He said, "Well,
has this been approved?"
1191
00:59:46,729 --> 00:59:49,197
"Of course it was approved!"
1192
00:59:49,315 --> 00:59:51,700
She's in my arms,
and I got in the car.
1193
00:59:51,818 --> 00:59:54,403
My friend,
she just nods her head.
1194
00:59:56,037 --> 00:59:58,239
Boom! With that, I pull my
leg in, shut that door.
1195
00:59:58,373 --> 01:00:00,539
She hits the locks,
and we drive.
1196
01:00:00,656 --> 01:00:02,285
And people
are yelling my name,
1197
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:04,499
saying, "Spanky, no! No!"
1198
01:00:04,523 --> 01:00:06,114
I mean, just freaked out.
1199
01:00:06,415 --> 01:00:08,215
I'm thinkin'
"I'm a dead person,
1200
01:00:08,333 --> 01:00:10,668
something terrible
is gonna happen to me."
1201
01:00:10,802 --> 01:00:12,552
I was just so frightened...
1202
01:00:12,670 --> 01:00:15,754
that they would come
to fetch me up.
1203
01:00:21,175 --> 01:00:22,193
One of the turning points
1204
01:00:22,217 --> 01:00:24,523
in Travolta's relationship
with the church
1205
01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:28,042
is when he understood
what was happening to Spanky,
1206
01:00:28,971 --> 01:00:30,713
he didn't do anything about it.
1207
01:00:30,737 --> 01:00:33,320
I know that
he certainly got exposed
1208
01:00:33,437 --> 01:00:36,589
to the fact that not everything
was on the up and up.
1209
01:00:36,613 --> 01:00:39,263
Why that wasn't sufficient
for him to leave,
1210
01:00:39,287 --> 01:00:40,352
I don't know.
1211
01:00:41,786 --> 01:00:45,812
I often wonder what... what
could possibly keep him there?
1212
01:00:46,166 --> 01:00:47,444
Can you recall an incident
1213
01:00:47,451 --> 01:00:49,493
which occurred when your
mother looked younger?
1214
01:00:50,585 --> 01:00:54,714
An auditor learns to
keep notes contemporaneously
1215
01:00:54,738 --> 01:00:56,990
as he is doing a session,
1216
01:00:57,014 --> 01:01:00,129
about every detail
of the person's life,
1217
01:01:00,213 --> 01:01:02,104
back to birth and beyond.
1218
01:01:02,854 --> 01:01:04,687
If you do the whole program,
1219
01:01:04,711 --> 01:01:07,731
you end up with
up to a file cabinet full
1220
01:01:07,755 --> 01:01:11,442
of pre-clear folders
on notations about your life,
1221
01:01:11,466 --> 01:01:14,024
your thoughts, and your
considerations about your life.
1222
01:01:14,174 --> 01:01:16,476
It's the most intimate detail.
1223
01:01:17,585 --> 01:01:19,744
You're always encouraged,
you're always threatened,
1224
01:01:19,768 --> 01:01:22,963
to disclose more and more and more.
And all of it's recorded.
1225
01:01:24,351 --> 01:01:25,750
All of this material,
1226
01:01:25,819 --> 01:01:28,223
which is represented to you
to be held sacrosanct...
1227
01:01:28,405 --> 01:01:30,855
in fact, any information...
1228
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:33,627
that might do some harm
to the organization,
1229
01:01:33,744 --> 01:01:36,112
gets unclassified automatically...
1230
01:01:36,213 --> 01:01:38,714
and gets reported
to another branch of the church..
1231
01:01:38,832 --> 01:01:40,917
that deals with "ethics."
1232
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:48,560
Travolta was down in Clearwater.
1233
01:01:49,078 --> 01:01:50,344
We'd finished the renovations.
1234
01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:53,477
Every auditing room
had two cameras...
1235
01:01:53,594 --> 01:01:56,798
one on the meter, and one on
the guy getting auditing.
1236
01:01:56,899 --> 01:02:00,244
Miscavige would sit
in this 15x15 room,
1237
01:02:00,268 --> 01:02:02,159
cameras of every session.
1238
01:02:02,183 --> 01:02:03,423
You can flip in between 'em,
1239
01:02:03,571 --> 01:02:05,240
and he was watching
these things.
1240
01:02:05,404 --> 01:02:06,990
And it was
for "training purposes."
1241
01:02:07,107 --> 01:02:08,474
Well, Travolta saw that,
1242
01:02:08,575 --> 01:02:11,707
and he said,
"I will not be videoed."
1243
01:02:11,731 --> 01:02:14,431
So I was there when
they were setting it up,
1244
01:02:14,531 --> 01:02:16,120
and Miscavige was directing it.
1245
01:02:16,399 --> 01:02:18,116
"Get him
into a hotel room,
1246
01:02:18,233 --> 01:02:21,753
hook up secret, private videos."
1247
01:02:23,788 --> 01:02:25,099
There were rumors
1248
01:02:25,123 --> 01:02:26,717
that he was
threatening to leave,
1249
01:02:26,833 --> 01:02:29,929
and another Scientologist
told me that he was delegated
1250
01:02:30,047 --> 01:02:32,590
to create a black PR package,
1251
01:02:33,542 --> 01:02:36,569
all the damaging material
they could use against Travolta,
1252
01:02:36,850 --> 01:02:39,321
which came
from his auditing sessions.
1253
01:02:39,345 --> 01:02:42,026
I know this
because I used to do it...
1254
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:44,939
when I was the head
of the Office of Special Affairs.
1255
01:02:45,726 --> 01:02:47,394
We would put a team of people...
1256
01:02:47,528 --> 01:02:50,647
onto going through
all of these PC folders...
1257
01:02:50,764 --> 01:02:54,400
and finding things
that they believe.
1258
01:02:54,535 --> 01:02:57,486
By exposing them
or threatening to expose them,
1259
01:02:57,887 --> 01:02:59,866
they will cower...
1260
01:03:00,255 --> 01:03:03,516
the person that they're worried
about into silence.
1261
01:03:06,503 --> 01:03:07,501
There is a particular writing
1262
01:03:07,612 --> 01:03:12,335
where Hubbard is training these
Office of Special Affairs people
1263
01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:16,336
on how, when you use
private information
1264
01:03:16,453 --> 01:03:19,722
to control somebody to do
what you want them to do,
1265
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:22,508
and to silence them from speaking
out against Scientology,
1266
01:03:22,626 --> 01:03:25,896
it's really not blackmail, because
you're not asking for money.
1267
01:03:26,013 --> 01:03:27,849
But you're holding
this secret information
1268
01:03:27,966 --> 01:03:30,183
over the person's head
to silence them.
1269
01:03:30,301 --> 01:03:32,383
As far as Travolta
is concerned,
1270
01:03:32,484 --> 01:03:35,719
people say, well, he... there's all
these things that we know about
1271
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:37,572
that have been rumored
in the tabloids.
1272
01:03:37,689 --> 01:03:40,409
But in fact, it's more
of a two-way street.
1273
01:03:40,528 --> 01:03:42,161
You know, he's provided
with an auditor
1274
01:03:42,278 --> 01:03:43,579
whose shoulder
he can cry on,
1275
01:03:43,696 --> 01:03:46,580
but he's also provided with
the muscle of the church,
1276
01:03:46,697 --> 01:03:49,166
in the form of myself
and Mike Rinder.
1277
01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:50,367
On many occasions,
1278
01:03:50,484 --> 01:03:52,503
we were sent out
to get with his publicist,
1279
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:53,704
to get with his lawyer,
1280
01:03:53,821 --> 01:03:56,539
and to help squash
or intimidate these people
1281
01:03:56,656 --> 01:03:58,843
that are making accusations
against him.
1282
01:03:58,961 --> 01:04:00,344
Once that happened,
1283
01:04:00,460 --> 01:04:03,512
I think he was really
the church's captive.
1284
01:04:03,629 --> 01:04:05,298
Mr. John Travolta!
1285
01:04:25,116 --> 01:04:27,602
When they were facing lawsuits
and stuff like that,
1286
01:04:27,702 --> 01:04:28,903
he'd be brought forward,
1287
01:04:29,019 --> 01:04:31,736
and make his testimony about
how great Scientology is.
1288
01:04:31,853 --> 01:04:33,405
He had the opportunity
1289
01:04:33,522 --> 01:04:37,277
to affect the behavior of the
church, and he chose not to.
1290
01:04:39,129 --> 01:04:41,716
Now I've been a Scientologist
for 23 years.
1291
01:04:41,833 --> 01:04:44,084
I've felt like a pioneer
in many... in many ways,
1292
01:04:44,218 --> 01:04:47,635
and I've... I've seen my
efforts come to fruition...
1293
01:04:47,752 --> 01:04:49,621
in various ways.
1294
01:04:49,722 --> 01:04:52,591
I think very few people
can say that.
1295
01:04:52,725 --> 01:04:55,311
I've... I'm part of a...
of a frontier in a way,
1296
01:04:55,429 --> 01:04:58,629
you know, that, that very few
people ever get to be part of.
1297
01:05:33,012 --> 01:05:35,379
Thank you.
1298
01:05:35,513 --> 01:05:37,966
Welcome to church!
1299
01:05:38,084 --> 01:05:41,602
It was the biggest event
in Scientology history,
1300
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:45,055
and of course, Miscavige wanted
to milk it for everything he had.
1301
01:05:45,189 --> 01:05:47,058
It's this
grand, produced thing,
1302
01:05:47,192 --> 01:05:51,528
where it's all a single
person on a gigantic stage,
1303
01:05:51,646 --> 01:05:54,847
all this sort of
Nazi symbolism.
1304
01:05:55,782 --> 01:05:58,684
I clearly recall getting
prepared for the event
1305
01:05:58,785 --> 01:06:00,486
and Miscavige
up in that office,
1306
01:06:00,603 --> 01:06:03,156
you know,
going 18-20 hours a day
1307
01:06:03,273 --> 01:06:06,159
writing this speech,
and thinking to myself,
1308
01:06:06,276 --> 01:06:09,078
"My God, you know?
This is not just
1309
01:06:09,213 --> 01:06:11,746
"a victory celebration,
1310
01:06:11,881 --> 01:06:14,131
"this is a...
this is a coup."
1311
01:06:14,249 --> 01:06:16,667
What we are going
to talk about
1312
01:06:16,784 --> 01:06:20,504
is the war
to end all wars.
1313
01:06:20,638 --> 01:06:23,007
When you are in Scientology,
you are in all the way.
1314
01:06:23,124 --> 01:06:25,426
There's no half in
and half out.
1315
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,479
- A decade into
- Miscavige's leadership,
1316
01:06:28,596 --> 01:06:30,763
a simmering crisis
finally came to a boil.
1317
01:06:30,899 --> 01:06:35,235
For years Hubbard had insisted
that Scientology was a religion
1318
01:06:35,352 --> 01:06:37,320
and should be tax-exempt,
1319
01:06:37,437 --> 01:06:41,058
so he had refused
to pay any taxes.
1320
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:43,610
We were facing a tax bill
1321
01:06:43,744 --> 01:06:47,196
of over a billion dollars,
and the total assets,
1322
01:06:47,313 --> 01:06:50,781
liquid and material,
and property of the church
1323
01:06:50,917 --> 01:06:53,868
was about a quarter of that
at the time, in the '80s.
1324
01:06:54,001 --> 01:06:58,173
And so just from a real
simple accounting basis,
1325
01:06:58,291 --> 01:06:59,540
it was life and death.
1326
01:06:59,657 --> 01:07:01,126
If we don't
get exemption, we die.
1327
01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:03,076
If we get it, we survive.
1328
01:07:03,177 --> 01:07:04,962
As LRH said,
1329
01:07:05,096 --> 01:07:07,630
"One certainly
couldn't contest anyone
1330
01:07:07,764 --> 01:07:10,415
"as holy as the commissioner
of the IRS,
1331
01:07:10,517 --> 01:07:14,971
"whom I believe gives God
his orders." LRH.
1332
01:07:15,105 --> 01:07:16,974
Faced with this crisis,
1333
01:07:17,108 --> 01:07:19,758
David Miscavige
formulated a strategy.
1334
01:07:19,859 --> 01:07:22,811
Think of the nerve
that it takes
1335
01:07:22,946 --> 01:07:25,613
to decide to take on a war
with the IRS.
1336
01:07:25,731 --> 01:07:27,483
The Church of Scientology
1337
01:07:27,617 --> 01:07:29,934
has been crucifying
the federal agency
1338
01:07:30,035 --> 01:07:32,320
for its sins
on a regular basis,
1339
01:07:32,453 --> 01:07:34,405
both in and out of courts.
1340
01:07:34,539 --> 01:07:38,075
Thousands of Scientologists
all filed lawsuits,
1341
01:07:38,193 --> 01:07:39,276
not just against the IRS,
1342
01:07:39,377 --> 01:07:42,163
but against
individual IRS employees.
1343
01:07:42,297 --> 01:07:44,115
2400 total lawsuits,
1344
01:07:44,216 --> 01:07:47,000
all going at the IRS
at one time.
1345
01:07:47,135 --> 01:07:48,751
It was
a litigation nightmare.
1346
01:07:48,868 --> 01:07:51,470
Being Miscavige's
right-hand man,
1347
01:07:51,588 --> 01:07:53,421
I was in charge
of all those efforts.
1348
01:07:53,539 --> 01:07:56,676
We were not only suing them in every
possible jurisdiction there was,
1349
01:07:56,810 --> 01:07:59,596
we were investigating
the IRS for crimes generally,
1350
01:07:59,729 --> 01:08:01,180
or things that would
offend the public.
1351
01:08:01,314 --> 01:08:03,231
...these hearings
into IRS integrity...
1352
01:08:03,350 --> 01:08:04,567
In the late '80s,
1353
01:08:04,684 --> 01:08:06,318
there were hearings
about IRS abuses
1354
01:08:06,435 --> 01:08:07,602
that had nothing to do
with Scientology,
1355
01:08:07,718 --> 01:08:08,769
had nothing to do
with nonprofits,
1356
01:08:08,887 --> 01:08:10,188
had nothing
to do with churches.
1357
01:08:10,321 --> 01:08:12,325
They had to do
with Joe Taxpayer.
1358
01:08:12,442 --> 01:08:15,311
And they we were publishing
these glossy,
1359
01:08:15,412 --> 01:08:16,745
expensive magazines.
1360
01:08:16,862 --> 01:08:19,829
In fact, the exposés
of IRS crimes
1361
01:08:19,946 --> 01:08:22,749
were so hated that possession
of "Freedom" magazine
1362
01:08:22,866 --> 01:08:25,703
was banned by IRS officials
in the IRS building.
1363
01:08:27,954 --> 01:08:32,759
There is going to be a IRS
conference in the Catskills.
1364
01:08:32,876 --> 01:08:35,878
Right?
And so we would send a PI,
1365
01:08:36,013 --> 01:08:37,930
find out which hotel
it's gonna be at,
1366
01:08:38,047 --> 01:08:41,167
get down there during
happy hour, socialize.
1367
01:08:41,268 --> 01:08:44,352
And this guy's tallying
who's drinkin' what.
1368
01:08:44,469 --> 01:08:46,271
And so we go through
Freedom of Information Act
1369
01:08:46,389 --> 01:08:49,556
to find out that the taxpayers
are paying the bar bill,
1370
01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:51,392
and it's so much money.
1371
01:08:51,526 --> 01:08:52,643
And of course, you know,
1372
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,511
in the scheme of things,
it's nothing.
1373
01:08:54,612 --> 01:08:56,397
But from a PR perspective,
it's everything.
1374
01:08:56,530 --> 01:09:00,484
IRS officials told me
to my face
1375
01:09:00,601 --> 01:09:02,952
they weren't interested
in hearing anything
1376
01:09:03,069 --> 01:09:06,873
I had to say
because, and I quote,
1377
01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:09,025
"You are a Scientologist.
1378
01:09:09,127 --> 01:09:12,245
"You are a mindless robot."
1379
01:09:12,379 --> 01:09:16,048
Well, those who know me
can imagine my response.
1380
01:09:18,499 --> 01:09:22,253
It was short,
but certainly made the point.
1381
01:09:24,222 --> 01:09:27,977
A negotiation
began to take place
1382
01:09:28,094 --> 01:09:32,264
between the IRS and the
Church of Scientology.
1383
01:09:32,398 --> 01:09:34,230
How do you define
a religion?
1384
01:09:34,347 --> 01:09:35,849
It's not so easy.
1385
01:09:35,966 --> 01:09:39,986
Why is one body
of thinking a religion
1386
01:09:40,103 --> 01:09:42,490
and another body not?
1387
01:09:42,607 --> 01:09:47,326
The only organization entitled
to make those distinctions
1388
01:09:47,444 --> 01:09:49,362
is the IRS as an agency...
1389
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,664
very poorly equipped
to do that.
1390
01:09:51,781 --> 01:09:53,448
I mean, they're mainly
accountants and lawyers,
1391
01:09:53,582 --> 01:09:55,250
they're not theologians.
1392
01:09:55,368 --> 01:09:57,919
But it's the only opinion
that matters.
1393
01:09:58,036 --> 01:10:01,207
Once the IRS has decided
that you are a religion,
1394
01:10:01,324 --> 01:10:05,377
then you are protected
by the vast protections
1395
01:10:05,511 --> 01:10:08,045
of the First Amendment.
1396
01:10:08,162 --> 01:10:10,931
And, as the saying goes,
1397
01:10:11,048 --> 01:10:14,584
the rest is history.
On October the first, 1993,
1398
01:10:14,685 --> 01:10:17,687
at 8:37 PM
Eastern Standard Time,
1399
01:10:17,804 --> 01:10:20,941
the IRS issued letters
recognizing Scientology
1400
01:10:21,058 --> 01:10:23,059
and every one
of its organizations
1401
01:10:23,176 --> 01:10:26,279
as fully tax-exempt!
The war is over!
1402
01:10:33,285 --> 01:10:35,069
The war ended
1403
01:10:35,186 --> 01:10:37,039
because the IRS surrendered.
1404
01:10:37,156 --> 01:10:39,241
It forgave
the billion-dollar tax bill
1405
01:10:39,358 --> 01:10:42,911
and granted Scientology
its tax exemption.
1406
01:10:43,028 --> 01:10:45,713
Even Hubbard's novels
were declared religious texts,
1407
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:48,915
their sales
exempt from taxes.
1408
01:10:49,032 --> 01:10:51,333
What happened
is that Fred Goldberg,
1409
01:10:51,467 --> 01:10:54,170
who was the IRS commissioner
at that time...
1410
01:10:54,305 --> 01:10:57,058
Miscavige let Goldberg know
that if we could find a way
1411
01:10:57,175 --> 01:10:58,591
to get tax-exempt status,
1412
01:10:58,708 --> 01:11:00,461
all those lawsuits
will go away overnight.
1413
01:11:00,561 --> 01:11:01,928
And as we were going
out the door,
1414
01:11:02,045 --> 01:11:04,297
Fred Goldberg goes,
"Is he serious?"
1415
01:11:04,397 --> 01:11:05,930
And I said, "Yeah."
1416
01:11:06,048 --> 01:11:08,134
And he sort of breathed
this sigh of relief,
1417
01:11:08,235 --> 01:11:10,319
kind of nodded,
and smiled.
1418
01:11:10,436 --> 01:11:13,105
At the Church's
victory party,
1419
01:11:13,222 --> 01:11:15,909
Miscavige projected photos
of the church's executives
1420
01:11:16,026 --> 01:11:19,494
celebrating
with IRS officials.
1421
01:11:19,611 --> 01:11:22,581
It created
this tremendous juggernaut
1422
01:11:22,698 --> 01:11:27,200
of tight conspiracy of the
membership that then existed,
1423
01:11:27,334 --> 01:11:30,589
but what it really did
was enable Miscavige
1424
01:11:30,705 --> 01:11:33,875
to milk every last dime
1425
01:11:34,008 --> 01:11:35,708
out of that core membership.
1426
01:11:35,842 --> 01:11:39,846
I am proud to announce
the discrimination is over.
1427
01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:41,764
Your tax dona...
1428
01:11:41,881 --> 01:11:43,831
deductions on donations
to Scientology
1429
01:11:43,932 --> 01:11:47,386
will no longer be disallowed
by the Internal Revenue Service.
1430
01:11:50,356 --> 01:11:52,725
In the '80s,
while Hubbard was in hiding,
1431
01:11:52,859 --> 01:11:56,361
Scientology was going through
some very severe litigation,
1432
01:11:56,478 --> 01:11:58,229
in particular,
a lawsuit in Oregon,
1433
01:11:58,362 --> 01:11:59,813
and one in Los Angeles.
1434
01:11:59,947 --> 01:12:02,366
One of them did produce
a $30 million judgment.
1435
01:12:02,483 --> 01:12:04,200
This scared Scientology.
1436
01:12:04,317 --> 01:12:06,120
They realized
they were vulnerable.
1437
01:12:06,237 --> 01:12:07,571
And so they
asked Scientologists,
1438
01:12:07,705 --> 01:12:09,822
"Okay, give us
a few thousand dollars.
1439
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:12,075
"You'll get a nice ribbon
or something.
1440
01:12:12,210 --> 01:12:14,193
"You're not gonna get any courses
from it." And this was new,
1441
01:12:14,294 --> 01:12:16,196
the idea that you would
give them money
1442
01:12:16,297 --> 01:12:18,383
just to defend
against lawsuits.
1443
01:12:18,499 --> 01:12:19,716
And that grew and grew.
1444
01:12:19,834 --> 01:12:22,552
Now Scientologists
are constantly
1445
01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:25,887
under intense pressure
just to hand money over.
1446
01:12:26,005 --> 01:12:28,473
They pitch themselves
as being the underdog,
1447
01:12:28,591 --> 01:12:33,095
as being the victim.
And you identify with that.
1448
01:12:33,230 --> 01:12:34,711
But then they start
hitting you up
1449
01:12:34,812 --> 01:12:36,848
for bigger donations, and bigger...
and I got a lot of pressure.
1450
01:12:36,964 --> 01:12:40,100
And I think I donated another
$250,000 to them under pressure.
1451
01:12:40,235 --> 01:12:41,717
They really know
how to do it.
1452
01:12:41,818 --> 01:12:44,104
They really know how to do it, and
he just was after me and after me.
1453
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,358
And they said,
"We're under attack, Paul."
1454
01:12:46,475 --> 01:12:48,492
This one guy who donated
$25 million,
1455
01:12:48,610 --> 01:12:50,894
for no... you know,
just straight donation,
1456
01:12:50,995 --> 01:12:53,329
to this...
to the Scientology war chest.
1457
01:12:56,148 --> 01:12:57,833
Churches are tax-exempt
1458
01:12:57,950 --> 01:13:00,919
because they're supposed
to provide a public good.
1459
01:13:01,036 --> 01:13:03,064
To prove that good
to the IRS,
1460
01:13:03,206 --> 01:13:05,761
churches aren't supposed
to hoard their money.
1461
01:13:05,785 --> 01:13:09,723
They're supposed to spend it
on services for the faithful.
1462
01:13:09,747 --> 01:13:12,936
Under this pretense, the church
had made massive investments...
1463
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,799
in tax-free real estate
all over the world.
1464
01:13:16,379 --> 01:13:17,790
And when it comes
to labor costs,
1465
01:13:18,487 --> 01:13:20,244
they are almost free.
1466
01:13:21,338 --> 01:13:23,698
The max I got paid,
you know,
1467
01:13:23,722 --> 01:13:25,682
on a weekly basis
was 50 bucks,
1468
01:13:26,193 --> 01:13:28,264
um, for 28 years.
1469
01:13:28,288 --> 01:13:30,761
Sea Org workers
take home...
1470
01:13:30,985 --> 01:13:34,898
something between six
and 40 cents an hour.
1471
01:13:35,151 --> 01:13:39,013
So if you've got
very low labor costs,
1472
01:13:39,037 --> 01:13:42,995
no taxes to pay, and wealthy
people giving you donations,
1473
01:13:43,075 --> 01:13:47,998
you can see why Scientology
has amassed huge piles of money.
1474
01:13:48,022 --> 01:13:49,115
How much are they worth?
1475
01:13:49,216 --> 01:13:51,466
This was a bit of a mystery,
but just recently,
1476
01:13:51,583 --> 01:13:55,357
I obtained tax records
that Scientology does have to turn in.
1477
01:13:55,721 --> 01:13:58,379
Three of the main entities
of Scientology,
1478
01:13:58,403 --> 01:13:59,988
and there are 20
or 30 of them,
1479
01:14:00,012 --> 01:14:02,292
but the top three,
just on their own,
1480
01:14:02,394 --> 01:14:05,978
have a book value
of $1.5 billion.
1481
01:14:07,347 --> 01:14:10,628
It's stunning how much money
a nonprofit...
1482
01:14:10,652 --> 01:14:12,018
has been able to amass.
1483
01:14:22,727 --> 01:14:26,615
It is a crime that we've given
them religious recognition
1484
01:14:26,732 --> 01:14:28,316
and that
they can hide behind it.
1485
01:14:28,417 --> 01:14:30,501
Meanwhile, you got
very good people in there,
1486
01:14:30,618 --> 01:14:32,988
and their lives
are being destroyed.
1487
01:14:33,089 --> 01:14:34,923
When I started
this story,
1488
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,292
I stumbled across an FBI
investigation of the church.
1489
01:14:38,409 --> 01:14:41,161
They were investigating
human trafficking.
1490
01:14:41,262 --> 01:14:44,265
It seemed that people were being
confined against their will.
1491
01:14:44,382 --> 01:14:47,800
There were lots of reports of
people being physically abused,
1492
01:14:47,917 --> 01:14:50,969
and the exploitation
of labor and child labor.
1493
01:14:51,086 --> 01:14:55,057
All of these things were
questions that the FBI had.
1494
01:14:55,191 --> 01:14:57,727
While that investigation
was going on,
1495
01:14:57,860 --> 01:15:00,897
a case was being heard
in Colorado...
1496
01:15:01,031 --> 01:15:03,815
the Headleys,
who were suing the church
1497
01:15:03,932 --> 01:15:07,535
for many
of these same violations.
1498
01:15:07,652 --> 01:15:10,206
And the court
ruled in that case
1499
01:15:10,323 --> 01:15:12,824
that these are all
essentially practices
1500
01:15:12,941 --> 01:15:15,994
that are protected
by the religious clause
1501
01:15:16,111 --> 01:15:18,695
of the First Amendment.
1502
01:15:18,796 --> 01:15:20,213
Once that ruling came out,
1503
01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:22,498
the FBI dropped
its investigation.
1504
01:15:22,615 --> 01:15:27,003
I think it was an indication
that the church is protected.
1505
01:15:27,137 --> 01:15:30,390
Before ending cycle
completely on the IRS,
1506
01:15:30,507 --> 01:15:33,058
there is one thing
I do wish to do.
1507
01:15:33,176 --> 01:15:36,211
Sir. Done.
1508
01:16:33,148 --> 01:16:34,781
The "We Stand Tall" thing...
1509
01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:37,568
this again was part
of this whole IRS thing.
1510
01:16:37,685 --> 01:16:40,070
And Miscavige kind of
had this song composed
1511
01:16:40,187 --> 01:16:42,371
by the musician group
they had up at the studio.
1512
01:16:42,488 --> 01:16:44,323
He was trying
to turn this into...
1513
01:16:44,458 --> 01:16:47,210
This was a result of the power
of this movement...
1514
01:16:56,502 --> 01:16:58,420
...which was such bullshit,
1515
01:16:58,537 --> 01:17:01,139
because it was
all about control.
1516
01:17:01,257 --> 01:17:05,126
When he got absolute control,
he went absolutely bonkers.
1517
01:17:18,105 --> 01:17:19,823
You know, most religions
are tax-exempt
1518
01:17:19,940 --> 01:17:21,825
and many have beliefs
and practices
1519
01:17:21,942 --> 01:17:25,079
that in the modern context
would be considered strange.
1520
01:17:25,196 --> 01:17:26,694
Is Scientology any different?
1521
01:17:26,828 --> 01:17:28,030
I mean,
if you go to a Christian
1522
01:17:28,165 --> 01:17:30,949
or a Jew or a Muslim,
and ask them,
1523
01:17:31,066 --> 01:17:32,484
"What do you believe?",
1524
01:17:32,585 --> 01:17:34,120
they can basically describe
1525
01:17:34,237 --> 01:17:37,172
the most important parts
of their religion
1526
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:38,790
in a minute or two.
1527
01:17:38,907 --> 01:17:40,490
Well, what does
a Scientologist believe?
1528
01:17:40,591 --> 01:17:43,260
You need to be in Scientology
for seven or eight years,
1529
01:17:43,377 --> 01:17:45,663
and in for a couple hundred
thousand dollars,
1530
01:17:45,764 --> 01:17:47,715
before you finally
learn this backstory
1531
01:17:47,848 --> 01:17:49,633
of Xenu
the Galactic Overlord.
1532
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:51,554
Now, if you were told that
on day one,
1533
01:17:51,686 --> 01:17:53,553
how many people would join?
1534
01:17:53,688 --> 01:17:55,271
But if they were
upfront about it,
1535
01:17:55,389 --> 01:17:56,890
I'd have more respect
for them.
1536
01:17:57,023 --> 01:17:58,641
But it's that sort of
bait and switch
1537
01:17:58,758 --> 01:18:00,776
that people are told,
"Oh, it's an applied philosophy
1538
01:18:00,894 --> 01:18:02,846
"to help you
with your communication."
1539
01:18:02,947 --> 01:18:04,531
Oh, yeah?
1540
01:18:04,648 --> 01:18:06,848
So why is Tom Cruise
paying 1,000 bucks
1541
01:18:06,949 --> 01:18:10,016
to have invisible aliens
pulled out of his body?
1542
01:18:18,577 --> 01:18:20,295
What happens when
your zone of influence
1543
01:18:20,412 --> 01:18:21,829
is the global stage?
1544
01:18:21,946 --> 01:18:26,299
How much must one do to call
themselves a Scientologist?
1545
01:18:26,416 --> 01:18:29,370
How much so that when their
head hits the pillow,
1546
01:18:29,471 --> 01:18:31,506
they can live
with themselves,
1547
01:18:31,623 --> 01:18:34,259
knowing they did
all they could do?
1548
01:18:34,393 --> 01:18:36,592
That is our final story
this evening.
1549
01:18:36,727 --> 01:18:40,262
It's a story that affects
every Scientologist,
1550
01:18:40,396 --> 01:18:44,483
for all of us are the beneficiaries
of what he presents.
1551
01:18:46,486 --> 01:18:49,106
Tom Cruise was the guy.
1552
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,324
Miscavige and Cruise
had been pretty buddy-buddy,
1553
01:18:53,441 --> 01:18:56,443
way back
to "Days of Thunder."
1554
01:18:56,578 --> 01:19:00,499
He was on the set with him,
he went skydiving with him,
1555
01:19:00,616 --> 01:19:03,868
was hangin' out with him
all the time.
1556
01:19:04,003 --> 01:19:06,570
And that was when
Tom first met Nicole.
1557
01:19:06,670 --> 01:19:09,037
He had really fallen for her.
1558
01:19:09,154 --> 01:19:10,372
They got married,
1559
01:19:10,489 --> 01:19:13,458
and this posed
a dilemma for the church,
1560
01:19:13,593 --> 01:19:14,961
because her father
1561
01:19:15,095 --> 01:19:19,182
is a well-known psychologist
in Australia.
1562
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:21,466
From the church's perspective,
he's the enemy.
1563
01:19:21,601 --> 01:19:23,435
He's a suppressive person.
1564
01:19:23,553 --> 01:19:25,103
How could you ignore me
like this?
1565
01:19:25,221 --> 01:19:26,855
Because Nicole is still
1566
01:19:26,974 --> 01:19:29,442
in a relationship
with her father,
1567
01:19:29,559 --> 01:19:31,759
that makes her dangerous.
1568
01:19:31,860 --> 01:19:35,312
She's a Potential
Trouble Source, PTS.
1569
01:19:35,446 --> 01:19:39,114
And because Tom
is related to her,
1570
01:19:39,232 --> 01:19:42,570
this all causes trouble
from the church's perspective.
1571
01:19:42,704 --> 01:19:44,487
You have to
break that dynamic.
1572
01:19:44,622 --> 01:19:47,607
Nicole... her biggest beef
1573
01:19:47,708 --> 01:19:52,328
was that Tom was becoming
increasingly like Dave.
1574
01:19:52,462 --> 01:19:55,113
She really got him
to drift away from the church,
1575
01:19:55,214 --> 01:19:59,002
and Tom was not really actively
involved in Scientology
1576
01:19:59,136 --> 01:20:02,755
between '92-ish
all the way up until 2001.
1577
01:20:04,222 --> 01:20:07,892
They were away
for more than a year
1578
01:20:08,010 --> 01:20:10,727
shooting "Eyes Wide Shut"
in the UK.
1579
01:20:10,846 --> 01:20:14,682
And Cruise was not in touch
with Miscavige,
1580
01:20:14,816 --> 01:20:17,067
and this
drove Miscavige crazy.
1581
01:20:17,184 --> 01:20:19,804
I was assigned to, um,
get him back in.
1582
01:20:19,905 --> 01:20:23,106
And that was coincident with,
and... and I was to facilitate
1583
01:20:23,223 --> 01:20:25,442
the breakup
with Nicole Kidman.
1584
01:20:25,559 --> 01:20:27,362
And how'd you do that?
1585
01:20:27,494 --> 01:20:29,997
Uh, well,
through a lot of auditing.
1586
01:20:30,114 --> 01:20:33,615
And every session
I ever gave to Tom Cruise...
1587
01:20:33,732 --> 01:20:37,704
and there was dozens upon dozens
of them over a three-year period...
1588
01:20:37,837 --> 01:20:39,487
I had to write
detailed reports
1589
01:20:39,588 --> 01:20:42,008
and send them directly
to David Miscavige.
1590
01:20:42,124 --> 01:20:44,427
I would sit there every night
with our Scotch
1591
01:20:44,544 --> 01:20:46,761
and watch and listen
to Miscavige comment
1592
01:20:46,879 --> 01:20:50,465
about Cruise's sex life,
and what... yeah,
1593
01:20:50,582 --> 01:20:52,301
how perverted he was.
1594
01:20:52,418 --> 01:20:56,003
Why is he gettin'
daily reports on Cruise?
1595
01:20:56,104 --> 01:20:58,522
Miscavige really wanted
to get him back
1596
01:20:58,639 --> 01:21:00,191
into being somebody
that he could use
1597
01:21:00,308 --> 01:21:04,061
to lure people into Scientology
and increase his own status.
1598
01:21:04,195 --> 01:21:06,896
And I was also involved
in the legal team
1599
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:11,868
and actually hiring investigators
to investigate Nicole.
1600
01:21:11,986 --> 01:21:13,536
Men have to stick it in
every place they can,
1601
01:21:13,653 --> 01:21:15,572
but for women...
women, it is just about
1602
01:21:15,707 --> 01:21:17,489
security and commitment...
1603
01:21:17,606 --> 01:21:19,792
Tom wanted to know exactly
who she was talking to,
1604
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:22,628
and so he wanted
to tap her phone.
1605
01:21:22,745 --> 01:21:26,546
If you men only knew.
1606
01:21:26,664 --> 01:21:28,049
When I reported that day
to Miscavige,
1607
01:21:28,167 --> 01:21:31,368
I reported it, like, "I mean,
he wants to tap her phone."
1608
01:21:31,469 --> 01:21:33,671
He said,
"God damn it, get it done."
1609
01:21:33,788 --> 01:21:37,508
And so I arranged, through the
Scientology's consigliere,
1610
01:21:37,625 --> 01:21:40,142
to get
a private investigator
1611
01:21:40,259 --> 01:21:42,729
who physically installed
a wiretap on her home.
1612
01:21:42,847 --> 01:21:44,713
And those tapes
would come in,
1613
01:21:44,814 --> 01:21:48,184
and I forwarded them
to Dave Miscavige.
1614
01:21:48,318 --> 01:21:50,687
The church then turned
its attention
1615
01:21:50,804 --> 01:21:54,989
to their adopted children, to
turn them against their mother
1616
01:21:55,107 --> 01:21:58,076
and make sure
that the custody went to Tom.
1617
01:22:00,496 --> 01:22:04,248
Tommy Davis,
he was my liaison
1618
01:22:04,366 --> 01:22:07,586
who had to do all the things
that are required
1619
01:22:07,703 --> 01:22:09,003
to please Tom Cruise
1620
01:22:09,121 --> 01:22:11,757
while he was being put through
the Scientology hoops by me.
1621
01:22:11,873 --> 01:22:16,293
He also was part of this
whole reeducation program,
1622
01:22:16,426 --> 01:22:19,464
so that they would conclude
that their mother
1623
01:22:19,598 --> 01:22:21,965
was a suppressive person.
1624
01:22:22,098 --> 01:22:24,184
And that was successful.
1625
01:22:24,301 --> 01:22:26,102
It was all going
according to plan.
1626
01:22:26,219 --> 01:22:28,854
And of course,
Miscavige would really
1627
01:22:28,972 --> 01:22:31,640
pump the oxygen into that
little fire, you know.
1628
01:22:31,775 --> 01:22:36,095
Miscavige was brilliant
at flaming people's fears,
1629
01:22:36,196 --> 01:22:38,230
and building up their egos.
1630
01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:42,984
So you were
being audited by Marty
1631
01:22:43,118 --> 01:22:45,120
at the same time
he was auditing Cruise?
1632
01:22:45,237 --> 01:22:47,438
Oh, yeah, yeah, I was...
yeah, Tom Cruise.
1633
01:22:47,539 --> 01:22:49,957
Tom would go in, and I would
go in, and Tom would go in,
1634
01:22:50,074 --> 01:22:52,627
and I would go in,
and so, you know...
1635
01:22:52,744 --> 01:22:55,628
And I had been audited by the
best auditors on the planet.
1636
01:22:55,745 --> 01:22:57,914
The best auditor,
hands down,
1637
01:22:58,031 --> 01:23:00,501
I mean, like...
like kinda Michael Jordan,
1638
01:23:00,635 --> 01:23:03,169
Wayne Gretsky,
kinda auditor is Marty.
1639
01:23:06,924 --> 01:23:08,808
They stole him,
you know?
1640
01:23:08,925 --> 01:23:11,960
Tom thinks he's supposed
to be David Miscavige.
1641
01:23:13,729 --> 01:23:16,314
By 2004, Tom Cruise was the most
gung-ho Scientologist in the world,
1642
01:23:16,432 --> 01:23:18,517
and Miscavige wanted
to recognize him for it.
1643
01:23:18,651 --> 01:23:21,302
He called it
the Freedom Medal of Valor
1644
01:23:21,403 --> 01:23:24,855
and they put together
this 35-minute video.
1645
01:23:24,989 --> 01:23:29,776
IAS Freedom Medal
of Valor winner, Tom Cruise!
1646
01:23:29,893 --> 01:23:32,145
In it, they just
pump up this idea
1647
01:23:32,246 --> 01:23:36,835
that Tom Cruise is the ambassador
of Scientology to the world.
1648
01:23:36,952 --> 01:23:39,537
He's known as
the biggest movie star ever.
1649
01:23:39,670 --> 01:23:41,320
Tom Cruise
travels this world,
1650
01:23:41,421 --> 01:23:43,489
meeting with ministers,
ambassadors,
1651
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:45,090
and the American
State Department,
1652
01:23:45,208 --> 01:23:50,130
advancing LRH technology straight
into the corridors of power.
1653
01:23:50,264 --> 01:23:51,796
It's about
improving conditions.
1654
01:23:51,914 --> 01:23:53,968
It allows you to find out
for yourself.
1655
01:23:54,084 --> 01:23:55,466
There's things
that we can do to help.
1656
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,268
They even did
a calculation,
1657
01:23:57,385 --> 01:23:59,437
where they figured
between his films
1658
01:23:59,554 --> 01:24:01,505
and all the "opinion leaders"
that he had met
1659
01:24:01,606 --> 01:24:03,141
and all the travel
he had done...
1660
01:24:03,258 --> 01:24:06,028
- Tom Cruise has introduced
- LRH technology
1661
01:24:06,145 --> 01:24:09,678
to over one billion people
of Earth.
1662
01:24:09,780 --> 01:24:12,983
No question, he has been
a huge asset to them.
1663
01:24:13,116 --> 01:24:15,684
Which is why the story
of Tom Cruise,
1664
01:24:15,785 --> 01:24:20,824
Scientologist,
has only just begun.
1665
01:24:20,941 --> 01:24:22,858
I think it's a privilege to
call yourself a Scientologist,
1666
01:24:22,959 --> 01:24:24,709
and it's something
that you have to earn.
1667
01:24:24,825 --> 01:24:26,661
Scientology loves to use
this word "end phenomena."
1668
01:24:26,778 --> 01:24:29,547
Every level
has an end phenomena,
1669
01:24:29,665 --> 01:24:30,883
you know, that you attain,
1670
01:24:31,050 --> 01:24:33,918
and Tom Cruise shows that.
1671
01:24:34,052 --> 01:24:36,421
That video with him in the
black turtleneck sweater?
1672
01:24:36,555 --> 01:24:38,223
A scientologist is someone
who can look at the world
1673
01:24:38,341 --> 01:24:40,374
and really see what it is.
1674
01:24:40,475 --> 01:24:43,510
Not only look at it and see
it, but be able to go,
1675
01:24:43,627 --> 01:24:46,763
poof, and be effective,
and do something about it.
1676
01:24:46,930 --> 01:24:49,683
And he's as arrogant
and as untouchable
1677
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,102
as could possibly be.
1678
01:24:51,235 --> 01:24:54,238
At the same time, he looks
like an utter crazy paranoiac.
1679
01:24:56,472 --> 01:25:01,028
And, uh...
I know... you know, she...
1680
01:25:01,145 --> 01:25:04,697
They, said, "So, like
have you met an SP?"
1681
01:25:09,151 --> 01:25:11,869
And I looked at her,
1682
01:25:11,986 --> 01:25:14,839
and I thought, "Oh,
what a beautiful thing,"
1683
01:25:14,956 --> 01:25:17,542
because maybe one day,
it'll be like that.
1684
01:25:17,659 --> 01:25:19,677
You know what I'm saying?
Maybe one day,
1685
01:25:19,794 --> 01:25:22,546
it will be that...
"Wow. SP's?"
1686
01:25:22,663 --> 01:25:24,131
Like, they'll just
read about those
1687
01:25:24,265 --> 01:25:26,082
in the history books,
you know?
1688
01:25:26,183 --> 01:25:27,968
That's where it takes you.
1689
01:25:28,102 --> 01:25:31,605
That's the end phenomena
of the Scientology Bridge.
1690
01:25:31,723 --> 01:25:33,725
All Scientologists
are full of shit.
1691
01:25:33,842 --> 01:25:35,892
You know, they lie.
"Aw, I'm doing great!
1692
01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:37,776
"You gotta get on seven."
1693
01:25:37,893 --> 01:25:39,778
You know,
and they're fucking...
1694
01:25:39,895 --> 01:25:42,196
"I've got a fucking migraine
right now,
1695
01:25:42,315 --> 01:25:45,033
"and I've never
felt so shitty!"
1696
01:25:45,151 --> 01:25:47,436
You know,
that's the fucking life.
1697
01:25:49,871 --> 01:25:52,773
There's nothing
part of the way for me!
1698
01:25:55,026 --> 01:25:56,543
It's just... whoo!
1699
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:58,379
He drank the Kool-Aid.
1700
01:25:58,496 --> 01:26:00,883
And in the eyes of Miscavige,
1701
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,468
Tom Cruise is the perfect
Scientology celebrity.
1702
01:26:05,637 --> 01:26:08,337
And nobody's benefited more
from his membership.
1703
01:26:08,471 --> 01:26:11,006
I mean, the amount
of free Sea Org labor.
1704
01:26:11,140 --> 01:26:14,459
- Sea Org members make
- 40 cents an hour,
1705
01:26:14,561 --> 01:26:16,262
and I don't think
there's any way
1706
01:26:16,379 --> 01:26:18,063
Tom Cruise
is not aware of that.
1707
01:26:18,181 --> 01:26:19,432
The church
has done so much for him.
1708
01:26:19,549 --> 01:26:21,650
They tricked out all his cars
and his motorcycles.
1709
01:26:21,768 --> 01:26:25,104
"Oh, I want a new limo."
"We'll build it for you."
1710
01:26:25,221 --> 01:26:28,240
Decked out Tom Cruise's hangar
in Santa Monica.
1711
01:26:28,358 --> 01:26:32,326
Installed all the audiovisual
stuff in Cruise's home.
1712
01:26:32,443 --> 01:26:34,661
Tom Cruise had expressed
this fantasy
1713
01:26:34,780 --> 01:26:37,999
of wanting to run through a
meadow with Nicole Kidman.
1714
01:26:38,116 --> 01:26:40,334
And so everybody had to work,
and till the soil.
1715
01:26:40,451 --> 01:26:42,619
And then David Miscavige
didn't like it,
1716
01:26:42,787 --> 01:26:45,189
and so the whole thing
had to be ripped up again.
1717
01:26:45,307 --> 01:26:47,506
This was at the Gold facility,
1718
01:26:47,624 --> 01:26:49,175
which is this desert facility,
1719
01:26:49,292 --> 01:26:51,594
where this is all kinds
of great stuff,
1720
01:26:51,711 --> 01:26:53,179
if you're Tom Cruise,
you know?
1721
01:26:53,381 --> 01:26:54,881
Wonderful living quarters
and a gym.
1722
01:26:55,016 --> 01:26:57,551
When Cruise comes up,
everyone's told in advance,
1723
01:26:57,685 --> 01:26:59,501
"You better have
a fucking smile on your face."
1724
01:26:59,602 --> 01:27:01,603
Everyone had to
call Cruise "sir."
1725
01:27:24,542 --> 01:27:27,411
Thank you.
1726
01:27:27,545 --> 01:27:29,379
It's this
side-by-side world.
1727
01:27:29,496 --> 01:27:31,580
There are celebrities
like Cruise and Travolta,
1728
01:27:31,715 --> 01:27:33,082
and then, you know,
there are people
1729
01:27:33,215 --> 01:27:36,386
who tell terrible tales of what
happened to them in the church...
1730
01:27:36,503 --> 01:27:40,922
being imprisoned and really
horrible psychological games.
1731
01:27:43,292 --> 01:27:45,509
Tom was in Spain.
1732
01:27:45,626 --> 01:27:49,765
They were opening up a new
Scientology church in Madrid.
1733
01:27:49,899 --> 01:27:52,434
And he was overheard
to complain
1734
01:27:52,569 --> 01:27:54,403
that he needed
a new girlfriend.
1735
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,405
Soon after that, a young
Scientologist premed student
1736
01:27:58,522 --> 01:28:01,491
named Nazanin Boniadi...
she was told
1737
01:28:01,608 --> 01:28:04,159
that she was going to get
a special assignment.
1738
01:28:04,277 --> 01:28:05,894
...number of transactions
increase...
1739
01:28:05,995 --> 01:28:08,832
Years later, Nazanin became
a successful TV actress
1740
01:28:08,949 --> 01:28:12,252
and she would have a small
part in a Paul Haggis film.
1741
01:28:12,369 --> 01:28:15,170
But at the time, she was a
dedicated young Scientologist
1742
01:28:15,288 --> 01:28:17,239
who believed
in the Church's claims
1743
01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:19,207
for its humanitarian
mission.
1744
01:28:19,324 --> 01:28:21,511
In fact,
she set a monthly record
1745
01:28:21,628 --> 01:28:24,762
for selling books
for the church.
1746
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,248
Nazanin may not speak publicly
about her experiences
1747
01:28:28,349 --> 01:28:31,269
because of an NDA the church
pressured her to sign,
1748
01:28:31,385 --> 01:28:34,588
but I discovered details
from FBI testimony
1749
01:28:34,689 --> 01:28:36,858
regarding her ordeal.
1750
01:28:36,975 --> 01:28:39,393
David Miscavige
assigned Nazanin's case
1751
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:42,028
to a key church official,
Greg Wilhere.
1752
01:28:42,145 --> 01:28:44,196
He put her through
a one-month program
1753
01:28:44,314 --> 01:28:49,068
of on-camera interviews, intensive
auditing, and security checks.
1754
01:28:49,185 --> 01:28:51,288
She was moved
into the Celebrity Center,
1755
01:28:51,405 --> 01:28:54,774
separated from her family, and
certain problems were addressed
1756
01:28:54,875 --> 01:28:56,373
during this period of time.
1757
01:28:56,491 --> 01:28:58,708
One was,
she had a boyfriend.
1758
01:28:58,825 --> 01:29:02,664
She is handed a transcript
of his auditing session,
1759
01:29:02,798 --> 01:29:05,116
in which he admitted
that he had an affair.
1760
01:29:05,217 --> 01:29:07,169
And so she broke up
with him.
1761
01:29:07,303 --> 01:29:09,504
Then Wilhere took her
to an orthodontist
1762
01:29:09,638 --> 01:29:10,754
to have her braces removed.
1763
01:29:10,871 --> 01:29:12,922
At Burberry and other stores
in Beverly Hills,
1764
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:16,625
he bought her $20,000
worth of clothes.
1765
01:29:16,726 --> 01:29:18,980
At the Celebrity Centre,
a man who worked
1766
01:29:19,096 --> 01:29:20,564
for Cruise's hair stylist
1767
01:29:20,681 --> 01:29:23,633
colored Nazanin's hair
to Cruise's liking.
1768
01:29:23,734 --> 01:29:25,651
Nazanin was told
that her makeover
1769
01:29:25,769 --> 01:29:28,519
was a part of the church's
humanitarian mission.
1770
01:29:28,653 --> 01:29:32,973
She had to look her best for
conferences with world leaders.
1771
01:29:35,444 --> 01:29:38,647
Only after she was flown
first class to New York
1772
01:29:38,748 --> 01:29:40,532
did she discover
the actual role
1773
01:29:40,666 --> 01:29:42,867
that the church
wanted her to play.
1774
01:29:43,001 --> 01:29:47,621
She was to be the girlfriend
of Scientology's biggest star.
1775
01:29:49,207 --> 01:29:52,342
Within a month, Nazanin
was living with Cruise.
1776
01:29:52,459 --> 01:29:54,294
While at his house
in Telluride,
1777
01:29:54,411 --> 01:29:55,762
Miscavige came to visit.
1778
01:29:55,879 --> 01:29:57,930
Overcome
by a severe headache,
1779
01:29:58,047 --> 01:30:00,835
Nazanin had a hard time
understanding Miscavige,
1780
01:30:00,951 --> 01:30:02,367
which infuriated him.
1781
01:30:02,485 --> 01:30:04,837
The next day, Cruise,
inches from her face,
1782
01:30:04,938 --> 01:30:07,690
pounded his fist on the table
and screamed at her
1783
01:30:07,808 --> 01:30:09,975
for insulting the head
of the church.
1784
01:30:10,092 --> 01:30:12,344
Two weeks later,
church henchman Tommy Davis
1785
01:30:12,445 --> 01:30:14,897
delivered
the news to Nazanin...
1786
01:30:15,031 --> 01:30:17,399
the relationship with Cruise
was over.
1787
01:30:17,533 --> 01:30:18,734
And they, according to her,
1788
01:30:18,868 --> 01:30:20,952
came to her apartment
with her mom
1789
01:30:21,069 --> 01:30:23,820
and found every photograph
of the two of them together,
1790
01:30:23,937 --> 01:30:26,791
and took them away. Every scrap,
every letter, everything,
1791
01:30:26,908 --> 01:30:29,575
they...
as if it never existed.
1792
01:30:29,709 --> 01:30:31,578
And she was really upset,
1793
01:30:31,712 --> 01:30:34,297
because she had been really
hurt by the whole thing.
1794
01:30:34,416 --> 01:30:36,865
And she made the mistake
of telling her friend,
1795
01:30:36,967 --> 01:30:40,220
who immediately went to tell
someone in the church.
1796
01:30:40,337 --> 01:30:42,704
She agreed
to do punishments,
1797
01:30:42,805 --> 01:30:44,924
like cleaning out
the public bathrooms
1798
01:30:45,059 --> 01:30:48,011
on her hands and knees
with a toothbrush,
1799
01:30:48,127 --> 01:30:52,764
while other people she knew
were stepping over her.
1800
01:30:52,898 --> 01:30:54,765
She did nothing wrong,
other than tell her friend
1801
01:30:54,900 --> 01:30:57,317
that she was heartbroken, and
this is the way she was treated?
1802
01:30:59,353 --> 01:31:02,223
- The church claims that
- Miscavige has no involvement
1803
01:31:02,324 --> 01:31:04,225
in Cruise's personal life
1804
01:31:04,326 --> 01:31:08,277
and that the search for Cruise's
girlfriend never existed.
1805
01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:15,084
I wanna tell you something.
1806
01:31:15,201 --> 01:31:18,754
I have never met
a more competent,
1807
01:31:18,872 --> 01:31:21,790
a more intelligent,
a more tolerant,
1808
01:31:21,924 --> 01:31:24,074
a more compassionate being,
1809
01:31:24,175 --> 01:31:29,298
outside of what
I've experienced from LRH.
1810
01:31:29,432 --> 01:31:32,385
And I've met the leaders
of leaders.
1811
01:31:32,502 --> 01:31:34,468
Okay? I've met them all.
1812
01:31:34,602 --> 01:31:35,919
And so I say to you,
sir, COB,
1813
01:31:36,020 --> 01:31:38,756
we are lucky to have you
and thank you very much.
1814
01:31:40,175 --> 01:31:42,060
While Miscavige
would do anything
1815
01:31:42,194 --> 01:31:44,229
for the Church's
most famous celebrity,
1816
01:31:44,363 --> 01:31:46,145
Miscavige began
to turn against
1817
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,147
the Sea Org's
highest-ranking executives.
1818
01:31:49,282 --> 01:31:52,785
He pretty much had international
management shut down.
1819
01:31:52,903 --> 01:31:55,070
He was into
this deep paranoia thing
1820
01:31:55,187 --> 01:31:56,623
about everybody is
out to get him.
1821
01:31:56,740 --> 01:31:59,658
He very definitely
1822
01:31:59,792 --> 01:32:02,278
wiped out
that organizational pattern
1823
01:32:02,379 --> 01:32:04,631
in order to be able
to have ultimate power.
1824
01:32:04,748 --> 01:32:06,915
In 2004,
1825
01:32:07,032 --> 01:32:09,968
Miscavige ordered the top
officers of the Sea Org
1826
01:32:10,086 --> 01:32:12,254
to the Scientology's
Gold Base
1827
01:32:12,371 --> 01:32:13,804
in southern California.
1828
01:32:13,922 --> 01:32:16,891
He forced them to live in a
pair of double-wide trailers
1829
01:32:17,008 --> 01:32:19,309
that came to be called
"The Hole."
1830
01:32:19,426 --> 01:32:21,312
The doors had bars
put on them,
1831
01:32:21,429 --> 01:32:23,648
the windows all had bars
put on them,
1832
01:32:23,765 --> 01:32:26,067
and there was
one entrance door
1833
01:32:26,184 --> 01:32:29,235
that a security guard
sat at 24 hours a day.
1834
01:32:29,352 --> 01:32:31,321
They had to stay there,
sleep there.
1835
01:32:31,438 --> 01:32:34,740
It stunk and, you know, there
were ants crawling around.
1836
01:32:34,857 --> 01:32:37,026
You'd sleep about an hour
or two hours a night.
1837
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,363
Um, you were
in such a mental state
1838
01:32:39,496 --> 01:32:42,082
that you're very controllable,
very suggestible.
1839
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:44,650
We were told
we needed to come up
1840
01:32:44,751 --> 01:32:47,034
with what
each other's crimes were
1841
01:32:47,168 --> 01:32:48,869
against Miscavige and Hubbard,
1842
01:32:49,004 --> 01:32:50,872
so that we could eventually
get out of the Hole.
1843
01:32:51,006 --> 01:32:53,291
Scientology is really good
1844
01:32:53,408 --> 01:32:55,677
at making you think
that you are a scoundrel.
1845
01:32:55,793 --> 01:32:59,097
"Confess your crimes! Confess your crimes!
What have you done?"
1846
01:32:59,214 --> 01:33:00,214
Fights would break out.
1847
01:33:00,349 --> 01:33:03,051
Miscavige would get me
all riled up.
1848
01:33:03,183 --> 01:33:05,168
And I remember one time,
Mike had done something,
1849
01:33:05,269 --> 01:33:07,021
or not done something,
I don't remember,
1850
01:33:07,138 --> 01:33:08,973
and I was supposed to
go beat him up.
1851
01:33:09,089 --> 01:33:11,223
One executive was made
to mop up
1852
01:33:11,358 --> 01:33:13,141
the bathroom floor
with his tongue.
1853
01:33:13,258 --> 01:33:16,011
Another was put
into a bucket,
1854
01:33:16,112 --> 01:33:18,980
and pummeled by some of the
women, and called a lesbian.
1855
01:33:19,097 --> 01:33:22,034
There was a very powerful
air conditioner,
1856
01:33:22,152 --> 01:33:23,519
which blew straight down,
1857
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:25,620
it was set
on maximum cold,
1858
01:33:25,738 --> 01:33:27,791
and a guy was
made to sit in a chair,
1859
01:33:27,908 --> 01:33:29,456
and had water
poured on his head
1860
01:33:29,574 --> 01:33:32,742
until he literally
turned blue.
1861
01:33:32,877 --> 01:33:34,912
Miscavige slapped me
across the face,
1862
01:33:35,047 --> 01:33:36,699
knocked me on the ground,
kicked me a couple times.
1863
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,966
Flailing fists,
kneeing him in the stomach,
1864
01:33:39,083 --> 01:33:40,467
getting him on the floor.
1865
01:33:40,585 --> 01:33:45,035
And you think, you want
to get up and retaliate,
1866
01:33:45,136 --> 01:33:48,056
but you also think,
"I got 75 other people
1867
01:33:48,174 --> 01:33:52,396
"who are all likely
to tackle me if I did"...
1868
01:33:52,513 --> 01:33:56,150
and then you got
the sheer shock of it.
1869
01:33:56,267 --> 01:33:57,985
Here's the equivalent
of the Pope
1870
01:33:58,101 --> 01:34:00,385
suddenly knocking you
on the ground,
1871
01:34:00,486 --> 01:34:01,987
and you're thinking,
1872
01:34:02,104 --> 01:34:05,740
"I must have
really screwed up."
1873
01:34:07,775 --> 01:34:09,662
It was
a poisonous environment.
1874
01:34:09,780 --> 01:34:11,863
People were
really frightened.
1875
01:34:11,998 --> 01:34:14,364
And this went on for years.
1876
01:34:14,481 --> 01:34:16,533
This isn't a couple of days.
1877
01:34:16,667 --> 01:34:19,067
The nominal president
of the church,
1878
01:34:19,168 --> 01:34:20,419
this man
named Heber Jentszch,
1879
01:34:20,536 --> 01:34:22,088
he was in there
for seven years.
1880
01:34:22,206 --> 01:34:23,673
What is the statement?
1881
01:34:23,791 --> 01:34:25,576
"God helps those
who help themselves."
1882
01:34:25,677 --> 01:34:27,126
Well, in Scientology,
we're engaged
1883
01:34:27,260 --> 01:34:28,845
in helping people
help themselves,
1884
01:34:28,962 --> 01:34:32,932
so they can fully comprehend
and understand God.
1885
01:34:39,856 --> 01:34:41,606
One night,
1886
01:34:41,723 --> 01:34:44,524
Miscavige comes
into the Hole with a boom box.
1887
01:34:44,642 --> 01:34:48,029
He said, "I'm gonna
teach you all a lesson.
1888
01:34:48,146 --> 01:34:50,565
"We're all gonna play
musical chairs."
1889
01:34:50,682 --> 01:34:52,200
And musical chairs
is a Scientology
1890
01:34:52,317 --> 01:34:54,069
administrative term
for when you move people
1891
01:34:54,186 --> 01:34:57,487
from different posts rapidly,
and you create instability.
1892
01:34:57,621 --> 01:34:58,820
They played
the damned music.
1893
01:35:04,078 --> 01:35:05,445
He said,
"We're gonna play it
1894
01:35:05,546 --> 01:35:07,630
to 'Bohemian Rhapsody'
by Queen."
1895
01:35:07,748 --> 01:35:09,215
And he emphasized the line...
1896
01:35:11,334 --> 01:35:13,668
..."nothing matters anymore."
And that's your whole attitude,
1897
01:35:13,802 --> 01:35:15,386
that's where you live,
that's who you are.
1898
01:35:15,503 --> 01:35:16,670
Playing that music,
and stop it,
1899
01:35:16,805 --> 01:35:18,255
and everyone would
have to grab a chair.
1900
01:35:18,372 --> 01:35:20,292
And there's one person
left standing.
1901
01:35:27,984 --> 01:35:29,849
What Miscavige
has warned them
1902
01:35:29,983 --> 01:35:33,102
is that the last person
who remains gets to stay.
1903
01:35:33,219 --> 01:35:34,470
"Everybody else,
you're expelled.
1904
01:35:34,571 --> 01:35:36,190
"You're going to be thrown out
of the Sea Org."
1905
01:35:36,323 --> 01:35:40,777
These people were fighting
to stay in the Hole.
1906
01:35:40,894 --> 01:35:43,814
Throwing people around,
scratching, kicking.
1907
01:35:43,915 --> 01:35:46,783
They're tearing chairs apart,
they're ripping clothing.
1908
01:35:46,899 --> 01:35:48,084
And whatever it took.
1909
01:35:54,123 --> 01:35:57,426
But then nothing happens.
1910
01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:05,766
"Out of the goodness
of my heart, you can stay.
1911
01:36:05,884 --> 01:36:07,968
"But you better come clean.
You better...
1912
01:36:08,085 --> 01:36:10,187
"I better have some good
confessions out of you."
1913
01:36:10,305 --> 01:36:13,858
I... I mean, you...
you know...
1914
01:36:13,975 --> 01:36:17,061
as much as they get into everything
that you ever think or do,
1915
01:36:17,195 --> 01:36:19,612
they never got into my think
on this score,
1916
01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:22,031
that I would never
go to prison.
1917
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:25,200
And so it was inevitable,
when I got... when I...
1918
01:36:25,318 --> 01:36:27,785
he literally created
this prison camp.
1919
01:36:27,903 --> 01:36:31,824
Um, it was inevitable that
I wasn't gonna last there.
1920
01:36:37,380 --> 01:36:40,081
It's embarrassing to have
ever been involved with,
1921
01:36:40,215 --> 01:36:41,667
to think about it.
1922
01:36:41,784 --> 01:36:43,752
"God, I can't even believe
I'm talkin' about it."
1923
01:36:43,886 --> 01:36:45,337
But it was bad.
1924
01:36:48,139 --> 01:36:50,407
- Let's say the FBI
- showed up at the Hole,
1925
01:36:50,525 --> 01:36:52,809
and said, "This is the FBI.
We're lettin' everyone out."
1926
01:36:52,927 --> 01:36:55,479
Do you think everyone would have said,
"Oh, thank God, the FBI's here"?
1927
01:36:55,596 --> 01:36:58,231
No. I think that everybody,
one for one,
1928
01:36:58,349 --> 01:37:00,348
would have gone,
"What do you mean?
1929
01:37:00,465 --> 01:37:02,569
"We... we're doing this
voluntarily.
1930
01:37:02,685 --> 01:37:05,069
"We like living
in these conditions."
1931
01:37:05,187 --> 01:37:06,488
Over the past week,
1932
01:37:06,605 --> 01:37:08,272
we've been reporting on
allegations of physical abuse
1933
01:37:08,407 --> 01:37:09,691
inside
the Church of Scientology.
1934
01:37:09,825 --> 01:37:11,828
We spoke with the ex-wives
of some of the men
1935
01:37:11,946 --> 01:37:13,279
making the claims of abuse.
1936
01:37:13,413 --> 01:37:14,997
I read all of your affidavits.
1937
01:37:15,113 --> 01:37:17,032
Obviously, your ex-husbands
have made charges
1938
01:37:17,149 --> 01:37:18,499
against David Miscavige,
1939
01:37:18,616 --> 01:37:21,251
saying that they have seen
repeated acts of physical violence
1940
01:37:21,369 --> 01:37:22,536
perpetrated by Mr. Miscavige.
1941
01:37:22,653 --> 01:37:24,671
Is... Is any of that true?
1942
01:37:24,789 --> 01:37:27,207
No. No.
Not one ounce of it.
1943
01:37:27,324 --> 01:37:29,876
That's not the character
of Mr. David Miscavige.
1944
01:37:29,993 --> 01:37:33,213
My ex-wife,
Marty Rathbun's ex-wife,
1945
01:37:33,330 --> 01:37:36,933
Tom De Vocht's ex-wife,
that were on "Anderson Cooper,"
1946
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:39,268
they all came out of the Hole!
1947
01:37:39,386 --> 01:37:41,854
They were all sent there
to do that.
1948
01:37:41,972 --> 01:37:44,107
They went back to the Hole!
1949
01:37:44,225 --> 01:37:45,892
It's just ridiculous.
1950
01:37:46,009 --> 01:37:48,394
This line
that my ex-wife said...
1951
01:37:48,511 --> 01:37:51,445
I lived with Mike Rinder
for over 35 years.
1952
01:37:51,562 --> 01:37:53,731
I know every square inch
of Mike Rinder's body.
1953
01:37:53,848 --> 01:37:56,567
She said it because she was
told to say it by Miscavige.
1954
01:37:56,684 --> 01:37:59,703
And the proof of that is,
when Tom De Vocht's ex-wife
1955
01:37:59,821 --> 01:38:03,573
then repeated the same thing
over again...
1956
01:38:03,690 --> 01:38:05,625
I know every inch of him.
1957
01:38:05,742 --> 01:38:07,410
You gotta be kidding me!
1958
01:38:07,527 --> 01:38:08,545
Everything that happens
1959
01:38:08,662 --> 01:38:10,414
from the Church of Scientology
is scripted.
1960
01:38:10,531 --> 01:38:12,466
Don't ever turn
the other cheek and acquiesce,
1961
01:38:12,584 --> 01:38:14,251
hit 'em back.
1962
01:38:14,367 --> 01:38:18,471
Marty Rathbun suddenly went and
leapt on top of Mike Rinder
1963
01:38:18,588 --> 01:38:20,253
and fought him to the ground
1964
01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:22,807
and started choking him
and beating him.
1965
01:38:22,924 --> 01:38:24,810
And nothing seems
to have been done about it.
1966
01:38:24,927 --> 01:38:26,728
Mr. Miscavige was not
at the property at the time.
1967
01:38:26,846 --> 01:38:28,230
Do you not have telephones?
1968
01:38:28,347 --> 01:38:29,766
Of course we have telephones.
1969
01:38:29,883 --> 01:38:32,098
I think you're being quite
rude and quite insulting.
1970
01:38:32,215 --> 01:38:34,301
Here's the bottom line.
Here's the bottom line...
1971
01:38:34,402 --> 01:38:36,854
there is no history
of violence in the church.
1972
01:38:36,987 --> 01:38:39,773
As somebody who ran PR
for the church for a long time,
1973
01:38:39,890 --> 01:38:43,413
do you have any regret for anything
that you did in that capacity?
1974
01:38:43,530 --> 01:38:45,863
Well,
I think the biggest regret
1975
01:38:45,997 --> 01:38:50,332
is when John Sweeney at
"Panorama" was doing his program,
1976
01:38:50,450 --> 01:38:52,703
it was the culmination
of a lot...
1977
01:38:52,836 --> 01:38:55,120
I mean, I'd been
in the Hole for a year.
1978
01:38:55,237 --> 01:38:58,207
And I ended up
being sent to England.
1979
01:38:58,342 --> 01:39:00,792
Hi, Mike. He was
constantly going,
1980
01:39:00,909 --> 01:39:04,296
"Well, why do you have private
investigators following me?"
1981
01:39:04,413 --> 01:39:06,431
I'm like...
That never happened!
1982
01:39:06,548 --> 01:39:07,999
Ever, ever happened!
1983
01:39:08,102 --> 01:39:09,551
And of course there were.
1984
01:39:09,686 --> 01:39:11,352
I was following John Sweeney.
1985
01:39:11,470 --> 01:39:14,056
Oh, there it is.
1986
01:39:14,190 --> 01:39:17,023
Okay, there we are.
1987
01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:18,726
He's got his camera,
1988
01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:20,527
he's standing there
and he's saying,
1989
01:39:20,644 --> 01:39:23,981
"I want a response.
I have credible witnesses.
1990
01:39:24,098 --> 01:39:28,285
"Did David Miscavige
physically assault you?"
1991
01:39:28,402 --> 01:39:29,535
And I said...
1992
01:39:29,652 --> 01:39:34,040
Those allegations
are absolute, utter rubbish.
1993
01:39:34,207 --> 01:39:36,827
Absolute, utter rubbish.
1994
01:39:36,944 --> 01:39:38,712
You have been assaulted
by Miscavige?
1995
01:39:38,828 --> 01:39:41,131
Many times, many times.
1996
01:39:41,248 --> 01:39:44,164
Perhaps more
than anybody else.
1997
01:39:44,281 --> 01:39:48,385
I was now sort of
1998
01:39:48,503 --> 01:39:51,388
at the end of my rope.
1999
01:39:52,925 --> 01:39:56,178
It was a real moment
of clarity for me...
2000
01:39:56,295 --> 01:39:58,545
"I don't want
to be doing this anymore.
2001
01:39:58,646 --> 01:40:00,598
"This is nuts!"
2002
01:40:00,733 --> 01:40:05,319
That was actually the last thing
that I did before I left.
2003
01:40:15,478 --> 01:40:19,447
So I'd been in Scientology
about two and a half years.
2004
01:40:19,581 --> 01:40:21,701
I am kickin' ass.
2005
01:40:21,817 --> 01:40:25,337
I felt like I had gotten out
of the fuckin' trap.
2006
01:40:25,454 --> 01:40:28,039
I didn't have to
have a problem.
2007
01:40:28,174 --> 01:40:30,376
I said,
"I'm done with auditing."
2008
01:40:30,493 --> 01:40:33,345
But they insisted
on gettin' me back,
2009
01:40:33,462 --> 01:40:36,098
and said just, "Believe us,
believe us, believe us."
2010
01:40:36,215 --> 01:40:38,849
I got so fucked up.
2011
01:40:38,967 --> 01:40:41,751
I mean, they... they...
I went insane.
2012
01:40:41,852 --> 01:40:44,804
I was, like,
stuck somewhere
2013
01:40:44,938 --> 01:40:47,605
in a tiny spot
behind my eyeballs,
2014
01:40:47,722 --> 01:40:50,477
looking this way.
2015
01:40:50,611 --> 01:40:53,980
I mean, I... I'd never
experienced anything like it.
2016
01:40:54,114 --> 01:40:56,865
10 fuckin' years!
2017
01:40:57,866 --> 01:41:01,369
I was worse than the day
that I walked in.
2018
01:41:01,486 --> 01:41:04,205
It was by design,
'cause they needed to...
2019
01:41:04,322 --> 01:41:06,207
to keep me in there.
2020
01:41:06,324 --> 01:41:07,910
So basically, they had to
2021
01:41:08,027 --> 01:41:10,577
put a whole new case on me,
so they could run it.
2022
01:41:10,693 --> 01:41:14,132
And they just kept tryin'
to fuckin' keep me stuck in.
2023
01:41:14,249 --> 01:41:15,615
It was crazy!
2024
01:41:15,733 --> 01:41:20,753
So I finally said, "I'm going my way.
You guys go yours."
2025
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:24,641
I was pissed. I was sad.
I was disillusioned.
2026
01:41:24,757 --> 01:41:27,894
And I thought, "Maybe
somebody could interview me,
2027
01:41:28,012 --> 01:41:30,630
"ask me some questions
about Scientology."
2028
01:41:30,731 --> 01:41:34,800
How I got into Scientology,
and why I got out.
2029
01:41:34,901 --> 01:41:36,601
Post this two-hour thing,
2030
01:41:36,718 --> 01:41:39,436
and it was the #1 thing
on YouTube for two days
2031
01:41:39,570 --> 01:41:41,472
before
it "mysteriously" disappeared.
2032
01:41:41,573 --> 01:41:42,691
The best traps...
2033
01:41:42,826 --> 01:41:45,277
you get a guy to just
keep himself in jail.
2034
01:41:45,394 --> 01:41:48,445
Right? And that's
what Scientology does.
2035
01:41:48,562 --> 01:41:50,948
I started getting
all this communication
2036
01:41:51,065 --> 01:41:52,583
because of that video.
2037
01:41:52,699 --> 01:41:55,652
You know,
"You saved my family."
2038
01:41:55,753 --> 01:41:57,621
You know, "You've...
I finally had the courage
2039
01:41:57,738 --> 01:41:59,823
"to leave
after I watched your thing."
2040
01:41:59,924 --> 01:42:04,461
You know? I mean, like,
there's blood and tears.
2041
01:42:04,596 --> 01:42:06,513
And then
I started to find out,
2042
01:42:06,631 --> 01:42:08,830
you know, all the stuff
that was really happening.
2043
01:42:08,931 --> 01:42:10,966
You know, I lost money,
I got fucked,
2044
01:42:11,083 --> 01:42:14,335
but then I found out about
the abuse in the Sea Org.
2045
01:42:14,436 --> 01:42:17,336
And I felt like, "Fuck me,
I gotta do somethin' about it."
2046
01:42:17,437 --> 01:42:20,109
And I finally
tracked down Marty Rathbun.
2047
01:42:20,227 --> 01:42:21,843
Everybody thought
he was dead.
2048
01:42:21,943 --> 01:42:24,311
He was in fuckin' Mexico.
And I went down there,
2049
01:42:24,428 --> 01:42:26,346
and I basically
convinced him to talk.
2050
01:42:26,447 --> 01:42:28,182
And, like,
"We gotta do somethin'."
2051
01:42:28,284 --> 01:42:29,817
And then he started his blog.
2052
01:42:33,937 --> 01:42:35,787
There was
a beating every day.
2053
01:42:35,904 --> 01:42:37,122
And if it wasn't him doin' it,
2054
01:42:37,241 --> 01:42:41,044
it was from him inciting others
to do it to others.
2055
01:42:41,161 --> 01:42:42,879
I think that it's a cult.
2056
01:42:42,996 --> 01:42:45,299
I'm doin' my own thing,
I want to get on with my life.
2057
01:42:45,416 --> 01:42:47,165
I am telling the truth.
2058
01:42:47,282 --> 01:42:49,418
Suddenly I heard
senior members of the church
2059
01:42:49,552 --> 01:42:51,036
were speaking out,
2060
01:42:51,137 --> 01:42:54,673
so I started to look,
and I started to read.
2061
01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:56,675
And then I started
to reach out to people.
2062
01:42:56,792 --> 01:42:59,846
Two of my daughters are gay,
and told me
2063
01:42:59,963 --> 01:43:03,230
how they'd been treated within the church.
I didn't know.
2064
01:43:03,397 --> 01:43:06,066
Paul Haggis's daughters
were openly harassed
2065
01:43:06,234 --> 01:43:08,150
by church members
for being gay.
2066
01:43:08,268 --> 01:43:10,353
Investigating further,
Haggis discovered
2067
01:43:10,471 --> 01:43:13,491
that church doctrine viewed
homosexuality as a disease
2068
01:43:13,608 --> 01:43:16,160
that only Hubbard's teachings
could cure.
2069
01:43:16,278 --> 01:43:18,328
And a California
chapter of Scientology
2070
01:43:18,445 --> 01:43:21,497
had supported a ban
on gay marriage.
2071
01:43:21,614 --> 01:43:23,700
I can't be part
of an organization
2072
01:43:23,817 --> 01:43:27,002
that doesn't support
2073
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,255
human rights for everyone.
2074
01:43:31,674 --> 01:43:34,925
So I sent a letter
to 25 friends in the church
2075
01:43:35,042 --> 01:43:36,678
that I was resigning.
2076
01:43:36,795 --> 01:43:39,129
And I'd hoped
they'd read this letter
2077
01:43:39,263 --> 01:43:43,550
and be horrified
by the things I'd found out.
2078
01:43:47,687 --> 01:43:50,057
A few days later,
I drive home.
2079
01:43:50,174 --> 01:43:52,309
There have to be 10 people
standing in my front yard.
2080
01:43:52,443 --> 01:43:54,696
I recognize them.
They're my friends.
2081
01:43:54,813 --> 01:43:57,597
They said, "Paul, we need
you to tear up this letter.
2082
01:43:57,698 --> 01:43:59,815
"And we need you to get all
the copies and tear them up,
2083
01:43:59,950 --> 01:44:01,785
"and resign quietly."
2084
01:44:01,901 --> 01:44:03,902
I said, "I don't do that."
You know?
2085
01:44:04,019 --> 01:44:05,436
"I'm sorry.
I don't do that."
2086
01:44:05,536 --> 01:44:08,207
I sent a copy
to Marty Rathbun.
2087
01:44:08,325 --> 01:44:10,826
He put it on his blog,
one page on a day,
2088
01:44:10,962 --> 01:44:13,996
and didn't reveal my name
until the Friday.
2089
01:44:14,130 --> 01:44:16,048
Monday morning, I woke up.
2090
01:44:16,166 --> 01:44:20,117
600 of the top newspapers
of the world had it.
2091
01:44:20,217 --> 01:44:22,302
You know,
it was in Bulgaria.
2092
01:44:22,419 --> 01:44:26,257
I mean, it was reprinted
in seven languages.
2093
01:44:26,374 --> 01:44:28,760
I went, "Oh my God,
what have I done?"
2094
01:44:28,877 --> 01:44:32,228
I mean... it did garner
a lot of interest.
2095
01:44:32,346 --> 01:44:33,844
People will judge you,
one way or the other.
2096
01:44:33,980 --> 01:44:37,299
I figured people would
judge me as really stupid.
2097
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,634
But then,
I was really stupid.
2098
01:44:39,735 --> 01:44:44,307
I was a part of this for 30
years before I spoke out.
2099
01:44:44,424 --> 01:44:47,993
I felt deeply ashamed.
2100
01:44:48,110 --> 01:44:51,946
Why didn't I do it earlier?
Why didn't I look earlier?
2101
01:44:54,949 --> 01:44:58,118
People are so indoctrinated,
2102
01:44:58,236 --> 01:45:01,622
and have been in Scientology
a really long, long time.
2103
01:45:01,739 --> 01:45:04,625
Or they've grown up in it, and
they don't know anything else.
2104
01:45:04,741 --> 01:45:09,629
It's so scary to them
to have to start all over,
2105
01:45:09,747 --> 01:45:12,165
and it takes
a really strong person
2106
01:45:12,266 --> 01:45:14,351
to stand up to them
and say no.
2107
01:45:16,102 --> 01:45:18,003
In 2009,
2108
01:45:18,104 --> 01:45:21,690
my son was on staff
at the church.
2109
01:45:21,808 --> 01:45:24,442
And "The Truth Rundown" came
out in the "St. Pete Times,"
2110
01:45:24,559 --> 01:45:27,011
exposing what was going on
2111
01:45:27,112 --> 01:45:31,032
with the beatings,
people in the Hole.
2112
01:45:31,149 --> 01:45:32,567
The church was very mad
at my son,
2113
01:45:32,701 --> 01:45:34,401
because he knew
it was going to happen,
2114
01:45:34,535 --> 01:45:36,319
and he didn't tell them.
2115
01:45:36,436 --> 01:45:38,956
And he didn't tell them
because he had a good friend
2116
01:45:39,073 --> 01:45:41,293
that became friends
with Mike Rinder
2117
01:45:41,410 --> 01:45:43,210
and Marty Rathbun,
2118
01:45:43,327 --> 01:45:46,579
and he believed what they were
saying in "The Truth Rundown."
2119
01:45:48,966 --> 01:45:50,999
The church was threatening,
2120
01:45:51,116 --> 01:45:53,835
that he was gonna get declared
a Suppressive Person
2121
01:45:53,952 --> 01:45:57,255
if he didn't disconnect
from his friend.
2122
01:45:57,389 --> 01:45:59,841
My son, he was raised
a Scientologist,
2123
01:45:59,958 --> 01:46:02,229
you know,
and he'd been on staff.
2124
01:46:02,346 --> 01:46:04,094
He made 30 bucks a week.
2125
01:46:04,228 --> 01:46:05,930
He headed up
their Boy Scout troop.
2126
01:46:06,065 --> 01:46:09,684
He was like this consummate
youth of Scientology.
2127
01:46:09,802 --> 01:46:13,771
The continental justice chief
called him on the phone.
2128
01:46:13,905 --> 01:46:16,224
And it was after that
the declare came down,
2129
01:46:16,325 --> 01:46:18,909
and he was just devastated.
2130
01:46:19,025 --> 01:46:22,829
The church told his friends
everything they could find
2131
01:46:22,946 --> 01:46:26,949
in his PC folder
to ruin his reputation.
2132
01:46:27,084 --> 01:46:29,701
I wrote this petition.
2133
01:46:29,819 --> 01:46:34,507
I tried to put in everything
good that my son had done.
2134
01:46:34,624 --> 01:46:36,092
"Dear Sarah,
Thank you for the letter
2135
01:46:36,210 --> 01:46:39,212
"that you sent regarding the
situation with Nick Lister.
2136
01:46:39,329 --> 01:46:44,249
"I cannot approve that you continue
your connection with Nick."
2137
01:46:44,350 --> 01:46:47,218
No one's gonna tell me when I
can and can't speak to him.
2138
01:46:47,335 --> 01:46:50,353
No one, but me.
2139
01:46:50,471 --> 01:46:53,523
"Your committee of evidence
findings and recommendations
2140
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,359
"recommended you
be labeled suppressive,
2141
01:46:56,477 --> 01:46:59,145
"engaging in malicious
rumor mongering
2142
01:46:59,279 --> 01:47:02,782
"to destroy the authority
or repute of higher officers
2143
01:47:02,900 --> 01:47:06,119
"or the leading names
of Scientology."
2144
01:47:06,236 --> 01:47:08,287
My husband
was charged with that one,
2145
01:47:08,404 --> 01:47:09,906
because he was telling me
2146
01:47:10,023 --> 01:47:12,942
what he read on the Internet
about David Miscavige.
2147
01:47:13,043 --> 01:47:15,328
They say, "Don't go on the
Internet, don't read.
2148
01:47:15,461 --> 01:47:16,745
"Don't go to these sites."
2149
01:47:16,862 --> 01:47:20,281
From the time
that I got in,
2150
01:47:20,382 --> 01:47:24,001
for 30 years, I never read one
critical thing about Scientology.
2151
01:47:24,135 --> 01:47:26,720
When I finally decided
to open my eyes and look,
2152
01:47:26,837 --> 01:47:29,006
I was shocked,
just shocked.
2153
01:47:29,141 --> 01:47:31,126
But if you're a member
of the Church of Scientology,
2154
01:47:31,227 --> 01:47:34,979
and someone in your family,
or a friend, or your spouse,
2155
01:47:35,096 --> 01:47:38,565
is skeptical or critical
of the Church of Scientology,
2156
01:47:38,682 --> 01:47:41,685
you are supposed to disconnect
yourself from that person...
2157
01:47:41,820 --> 01:47:45,322
Tommy Davis, who was the
spokesperson for the church,
2158
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:49,357
he's being asked about
the policy of disconnection.
2159
01:47:49,492 --> 01:47:52,028
Anything that's characterized
as disconnection
2160
01:47:52,162 --> 01:47:54,195
or this kinda thing,
it's just... it's just not true.
2161
01:47:54,329 --> 01:47:56,781
There isn't... I
confronted him about this.
2162
01:47:56,898 --> 01:47:59,834
And I said, "Tommy, I don't need
to search outside to ask for...
2163
01:47:59,952 --> 01:48:02,171
"to check research
and see if other...
2164
01:48:02,288 --> 01:48:04,372
"this has happened to other people.
This happened to my wife.
2165
01:48:04,506 --> 01:48:07,291
"You asked her and me
to disconnect from her parents
2166
01:48:07,408 --> 01:48:09,760
"because of something trivial
they did years ago."
2167
01:48:09,877 --> 01:48:11,762
My wife disconnected from me,
2168
01:48:11,879 --> 01:48:14,847
my daughter,
my son, my brother,
2169
01:48:14,965 --> 01:48:16,850
my sister, my mother,
2170
01:48:16,968 --> 01:48:18,684
all of my nieces
and nephews.
2171
01:48:18,802 --> 01:48:21,185
And that is the only family
that I have.
2172
01:48:21,303 --> 01:48:23,355
You know, you label
these people suppressive
2173
01:48:23,472 --> 01:48:25,474
so that, you know,
everybody automatically...
2174
01:48:25,591 --> 01:48:27,809
they're discredited, and they
must disconnect from them.
2175
01:48:27,926 --> 01:48:30,279
And that's how you keep
people in a bubble.
2176
01:48:30,397 --> 01:48:32,782
And that's what they do.
I mean, my son was declared
2177
01:48:32,900 --> 01:48:34,233
because he wouldn't disconnect
from his friend.
2178
01:48:34,367 --> 01:48:36,284
I was declared,
and my husband was declared
2179
01:48:36,402 --> 01:48:38,234
because we wouldn't
disconnect from my son.
2180
01:48:38,368 --> 01:48:39,987
And now guess what happened?
2181
01:48:40,104 --> 01:48:43,824
Everyone connected to us
just scatters to the wind.
2182
01:48:43,941 --> 01:48:45,992
Through all of this time,
2183
01:48:46,110 --> 01:48:49,297
I have a daughter who's
very much into the church.
2184
01:48:49,414 --> 01:48:52,365
I have a granddaughter
2185
01:48:52,483 --> 01:48:55,836
who's the love of my life,
and who loves her nana.
2186
01:48:55,954 --> 01:48:58,706
I was planning on talking
to my daughter,
2187
01:48:58,823 --> 01:49:01,809
and trying to tell her
what was really happening.
2188
01:49:01,925 --> 01:49:05,360
She hugged me,
she told me she loved me.
2189
01:49:05,478 --> 01:49:08,446
She said, "I have to
disconnect from you."
2190
01:49:13,902 --> 01:49:16,955
So, um...
2191
01:49:22,876 --> 01:49:26,498
I just was concentrating
on smelling her hair
2192
01:49:26,615 --> 01:49:29,299
and seeing the way she felt,
2193
01:49:29,416 --> 01:49:31,968
touching her skin
on my face.
2194
01:49:34,838 --> 01:49:37,640
That's the last time
I saw them.
2195
01:49:42,395 --> 01:49:44,313
It really is the crux
2196
01:49:44,430 --> 01:49:48,433
of how controlling
is any religion
2197
01:49:48,567 --> 01:49:50,767
over its adherents,
2198
01:49:50,901 --> 01:49:53,688
and Scientology
has perfected
2199
01:49:53,805 --> 01:49:57,075
a lot of
techniques of control.
2200
01:49:57,192 --> 01:50:00,729
There is
no logical explanation
2201
01:50:00,830 --> 01:50:04,364
as to why,
other than faith.
2202
01:50:04,499 --> 01:50:06,732
Your future, your eternity,
2203
01:50:06,833 --> 01:50:09,919
all depends on
you going up the Bridge.
2204
01:50:10,038 --> 01:50:13,957
It's scary. It's kinda like
Christianity with hell.
2205
01:50:14,091 --> 01:50:15,958
If they don't have the Bridge,
they can't go free.
2206
01:50:16,092 --> 01:50:19,913
They don't believe
they can get it anywhere else.
2207
01:50:20,014 --> 01:50:21,963
It's like brainwashing.
Really simple.
2208
01:50:22,097 --> 01:50:24,266
I mean,
that's a scary word,
2209
01:50:24,383 --> 01:50:27,185
and it took me a long time
2210
01:50:27,303 --> 01:50:30,274
to come to that conclusion,
that that's what's occurred.
2211
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:32,774
You take on
2212
01:50:32,890 --> 01:50:36,259
a kind of a...
a matrix of thought
2213
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:40,781
that is not your own.
2214
01:50:40,898 --> 01:50:43,768
I think that's how I
and other people got involved
2215
01:50:43,869 --> 01:50:45,818
and stuck through it
for so long.
2216
01:50:45,952 --> 01:50:47,905
Because when you're out,
you look at it,
2217
01:50:48,022 --> 01:50:51,491
and you go, "What the crap
was I thinking," you know?
2218
01:50:51,625 --> 01:50:53,292
It's such a hard thing
when you do wake up.
2219
01:50:53,409 --> 01:50:55,212
You go, "Oh my God."
2220
01:50:55,330 --> 01:50:57,714
Because you have this wave
of regrets.
2221
01:50:57,831 --> 01:51:01,833
I just started to think
that maybe my entire life
2222
01:51:01,966 --> 01:51:03,751
has been a lie.
2223
01:51:03,868 --> 01:51:06,255
You just don't see it
happening to you.
2224
01:51:06,371 --> 01:51:09,257
You justify so much.
2225
01:51:09,374 --> 01:51:13,128
Cults, they prey on people,
suggesting that, you know,
2226
01:51:13,229 --> 01:51:15,062
you should be able
to think for yourself
2227
01:51:15,181 --> 01:51:18,849
and then tell you exactly how
you have to think, or get out.
2228
01:51:18,983 --> 01:51:22,521
And if you get out,
there will be consequences.
2229
01:51:22,655 --> 01:51:24,272
Come on, Marty.
Got anything to say?
2230
01:51:24,389 --> 01:51:26,190
What's your name? Why don't
you answer his question?
2231
01:51:26,324 --> 01:51:29,942
Beat it. I said get off
my property, boy.
2232
01:51:30,059 --> 01:51:32,862
The real sustained campaign
2233
01:51:32,995 --> 01:51:35,148
began in early 2009
2234
01:51:35,249 --> 01:51:38,866
when I spoke to
the "St. Petersburg Times."
2235
01:51:38,999 --> 01:51:42,087
And I'd been hounded
and hunted like wild prey.
2236
01:51:42,205 --> 01:51:45,924
It's a policy of
the Office of Special Affairs
2237
01:51:46,042 --> 01:51:47,842
authored by L. Ron Hubbard.
2238
01:51:47,959 --> 01:51:49,878
When somebody's speaking out
against Scientology,
2239
01:51:50,012 --> 01:51:52,495
investigate to find out
who the instigator is.
2240
01:51:52,596 --> 01:51:54,215
I started getting calls
from the church,
2241
01:51:54,349 --> 01:51:58,769
and they're... they're really,
uh, comin' after me.
2242
01:51:58,886 --> 01:52:00,772
They showed up
at my mother's house.
2243
01:52:00,889 --> 01:52:02,688
The feeling in the pit
of your stomach
2244
01:52:02,806 --> 01:52:04,841
knowing that Scientology's
chief dirty-tricks PI
2245
01:52:04,942 --> 01:52:07,176
was just
on my mother's front step.
2246
01:52:07,277 --> 01:52:09,946
They've tried to destroy me,
there's no question.
2247
01:52:10,064 --> 01:52:12,231
They create
anonymous websites about me,
2248
01:52:12,365 --> 01:52:14,784
and smear me
with a lot of garbage.
2249
01:52:14,901 --> 01:52:17,204
www.whoisTomDevocht.com.
2250
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,022
WhoisPaulHaggis.com.
2251
01:52:19,123 --> 01:52:21,407
"Paul Haggis,
the hypocrite of Hollywood."
2252
01:52:21,541 --> 01:52:25,127
"This guy is a sex pervert,"
or "This guy's a drug dealer."
2253
01:52:25,245 --> 01:52:26,877
In the meantime,
2254
01:52:26,994 --> 01:52:30,914
survey carefully to find out what
he most values and protects.
2255
01:52:31,048 --> 01:52:33,133
Immediately draw up
a three-prong program
2256
01:52:33,251 --> 01:52:35,870
to threaten it effectively.
2257
01:52:35,971 --> 01:52:40,223
I don't value anything
more than Monique.
2258
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:44,228
That's why this campaign
ended up on our doorstep.
2259
01:52:44,345 --> 01:52:46,062
Was she there?
2260
01:52:46,179 --> 01:52:50,066
I knew they had
their goons around.
2261
01:52:50,184 --> 01:52:55,152
And then the guy rolls down in
window and I saw the truck.
2262
01:52:55,271 --> 01:52:57,521
And he starts filming,
and I go,
2263
01:52:57,638 --> 01:52:59,724
"Okay, this is not good."
2264
01:52:59,825 --> 01:53:01,227
What's goin' on?
2265
01:53:01,328 --> 01:53:03,111
Oh, we're just doing
a documentary.
2266
01:53:03,245 --> 01:53:04,363
A documentary?
2267
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,613
Oh, a former
Scientology deal.
2268
01:53:06,747 --> 01:53:08,782
But it would probably be a good
idea if y'all went ahead...
2269
01:53:08,917 --> 01:53:10,334
now that you've gotten
what you need,
2270
01:53:10,452 --> 01:53:11,919
go ahead and leave the area.
Sure.
2271
01:53:12,036 --> 01:53:13,672
Okay?
2272
01:53:13,789 --> 01:53:14,906
I don't know
who these people are.
2273
01:53:15,007 --> 01:53:16,907
I don't know
what they're capable of.
2274
01:53:17,009 --> 01:53:20,244
And now that I have my son...
2275
01:53:20,345 --> 01:53:24,462
I have a little Louisville
Slugger I keep next to me.
2276
01:53:24,596 --> 01:53:28,883
It's been a nonstop onslaught,
for five years.
2277
01:53:29,017 --> 01:53:30,386
- I told you to leave.
- Get out of here.
2278
01:53:30,503 --> 01:53:31,938
Oh no, I'm leaving.
2279
01:53:32,055 --> 01:53:33,389
You can't even defend
yourself on this can you?
2280
01:53:33,506 --> 01:53:34,924
What's your name?
2281
01:53:35,025 --> 01:53:36,393
I gave you my name, Marty.
What's your name?
2282
01:53:36,527 --> 01:53:38,108
Marty, I gave you my name.
2283
01:53:38,225 --> 01:53:41,230
The people on Marty's doorstep
were sent by Scientology
2284
01:53:41,347 --> 01:53:43,764
because the church
had branded Marty a "Squirrel,"
2285
01:53:43,865 --> 01:53:46,284
a term invented by Hubbard
for former members
2286
01:53:46,401 --> 01:53:48,104
who threatened
church teachings.
2287
01:53:48,205 --> 01:53:49,771
David Miscavige had you
come all the way from...
2288
01:53:49,872 --> 01:53:51,073
Marty.
...San Jose.
2289
01:53:52,489 --> 01:53:53,905
- Marty!
- You can't do that.
2290
01:53:54,022 --> 01:53:55,324
- You can't do that, Marty!
- I just did it.
2291
01:53:55,458 --> 01:53:56,442
No, that's my
personal property, Marty.
2292
01:53:56,543 --> 01:53:58,295
Yeah, that's right.
2293
01:53:58,412 --> 01:54:00,130
I got arrested, man.
2294
01:54:00,247 --> 01:54:02,965
I got arrested for grabbing
this guy's glasses.
2295
01:54:03,082 --> 01:54:04,784
I said, "Don't look at her."
You understand that?
2296
01:54:04,885 --> 01:54:06,837
Yeah.
I heard her.
2297
01:54:06,971 --> 01:54:09,339
Of course, the guy had been
stalking Monique for two years.
2298
01:54:09,473 --> 01:54:11,590
He looks
like a leering pervert,
2299
01:54:11,707 --> 01:54:14,260
like Norman Bates
from "Psycho."
2300
01:54:14,377 --> 01:54:17,063
I didn't break his glasses.
2301
01:54:17,181 --> 01:54:20,899
I just removed them
from his... from his face.
2302
01:54:25,069 --> 01:54:28,740
They got it all on videotape
from their surveillance house
2303
01:54:28,857 --> 01:54:31,659
that was filming 24/7, 365,
2304
01:54:31,776 --> 01:54:34,446
for five years,
across the street from us.
2305
01:54:39,932 --> 01:54:42,052
This lawsuit
with Monique Rathbun...
2306
01:54:42,169 --> 01:54:44,421
it's a brilliant
legal strategy.
2307
01:54:44,539 --> 01:54:46,490
If Marty sues,
the church just says,
2308
01:54:46,591 --> 01:54:47,874
"This is
a First Amendment fight.
2309
01:54:48,008 --> 01:54:49,342
"This should not be
in a court of law."
2310
01:54:49,459 --> 01:54:50,926
But Monique
was never in Scientology.
2311
01:54:51,043 --> 01:54:55,713
She's suing David Miscavige
and asking to depose him.
2312
01:54:55,848 --> 01:54:58,933
And Scientology will do anything
to keep him out of that situation.
2313
01:54:59,050 --> 01:55:00,685
And the point is, Judge,
2314
01:55:00,803 --> 01:55:02,889
if you let me
make my presentation,
2315
01:55:03,023 --> 01:55:04,773
on First Amendment law
2316
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:07,341
that comes from the United
States Supreme Court...
2317
01:55:07,442 --> 01:55:09,143
For every court date,
2318
01:55:09,260 --> 01:55:11,980
the church hires a bevy
of high-priced lawyers.
2319
01:55:12,097 --> 01:55:14,981
They are determined to use
every legal trick in the book
2320
01:55:15,098 --> 01:55:17,233
to keep Miscavige
from having to testify
2321
01:55:17,367 --> 01:55:20,905
about church abuses or whether
the religion of Scientology
2322
01:55:21,039 --> 01:55:23,155
is actually operated
like a business,
2323
01:55:23,272 --> 01:55:27,075
controlled by the whims
of a single individual.
2324
01:55:29,079 --> 01:55:31,880
In 2014,
Miscavige celebrated
2325
01:55:31,997 --> 01:55:34,048
the ongoing expansion
of the church,
2326
01:55:34,166 --> 01:55:36,301
but he was hiding
a terrible secret.
2327
01:55:36,419 --> 01:55:37,868
Good evening!
2328
01:55:37,969 --> 01:55:39,921
The church's active
membership has dropped
2329
01:55:40,055 --> 01:55:41,673
to fewer
than 50,000 people,
2330
01:55:41,790 --> 01:55:45,876
yet the financial value
of Scientology is soaring.
2331
01:55:45,977 --> 01:55:47,727
How about we just say,
2332
01:55:47,845 --> 01:55:52,765
2013 is the year
we went stratospheric?
2333
01:55:55,801 --> 01:55:57,771
The church
is making investments
2334
01:55:57,905 --> 01:55:59,773
and buying valuable real
estate all over the world.
2335
01:55:59,907 --> 01:56:03,742
That financial clout gives
Scientology enormous power.
2336
01:56:03,860 --> 01:56:06,061
It's a kind of
tax-free shell company
2337
01:56:06,162 --> 01:56:10,950
growing past $3 billion
in assets.
2338
01:56:18,156 --> 01:56:21,410
The church now
no longer has a public face.
2339
01:56:21,511 --> 01:56:23,710
There's no spokespeople,
2340
01:56:23,828 --> 01:56:25,879
they don't do
media interviews,
2341
01:56:25,997 --> 01:56:28,632
and that suits Miscavige.
2342
01:56:28,766 --> 01:56:30,883
There is nobody
that he is willing
2343
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,754
to have be the face of
Scientology other than himself,
2344
01:56:33,854 --> 01:56:37,275
but he's afraid to
be interviewed by anybody
2345
01:56:37,392 --> 01:56:39,975
for fear that they're
gonna ask him questions
2346
01:56:40,108 --> 01:56:42,395
that he can't answer,
or doesn't want to answer.
2347
01:56:44,344 --> 01:56:46,814
Where are the checks
and balances on his power?
2348
01:56:46,948 --> 01:56:48,148
There is none.
2349
01:56:48,283 --> 01:56:49,935
So there are two things
that could happen.
2350
01:56:50,036 --> 01:56:53,989
One is, the IRS would
reconsider its tax exemption.
2351
01:56:54,123 --> 01:56:58,326
The only other thing is that some
of these celebrity megaphones
2352
01:56:58,459 --> 01:57:00,578
could turn
against the church.
2353
01:57:00,695 --> 01:57:03,913
And Tom Cruise should
be leading that chorus.
2354
01:57:07,969 --> 01:57:10,887
Is there anything
that you look back on,
2355
01:57:11,004 --> 01:57:13,288
in terms of your own career
in the church,
2356
01:57:13,390 --> 01:57:16,124
and think, "Wow,
I wish I hadn't done that?"
2357
01:57:16,225 --> 01:57:19,312
You know, we talked
about karma earlier.
2358
01:57:19,429 --> 01:57:23,932
And, you know, it still happens
that it's like it's just this...
2359
01:57:24,050 --> 01:57:27,969
I constantly get presented
with who I was,
2360
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:30,689
and, you know, and I constantly
don't like what I see,
2361
01:57:30,823 --> 01:57:33,274
and I sort of constantly
keep dying deaths.
2362
01:57:33,391 --> 01:57:35,193
Um, and...
2363
01:57:37,228 --> 01:57:39,312
I don't know how many
more deaths I have left,
2364
01:57:39,413 --> 01:57:42,147
but I... but I...
2365
01:57:42,248 --> 01:57:45,085
but I regret...
2366
01:57:45,202 --> 01:57:48,505
and I'm ashamed of, uh...
2367
01:57:50,007 --> 01:57:52,792
the entire experience,
you know?
2368
01:57:52,909 --> 01:57:55,010
What I take away from it
is that we...
2369
01:57:55,128 --> 01:57:57,963
we lock up a portion
of our own mind.
2370
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:02,268
We... We willingly
put cuffs on.
2371
01:58:02,387 --> 01:58:05,854
We willingly avoid things
2372
01:58:05,972 --> 01:58:08,856
that will...
could cause us pain,
2373
01:58:08,974 --> 01:58:11,642
if we just...
if we looked.
2374
01:58:11,776 --> 01:58:14,061
If we can just
believe something,
2375
01:58:14,195 --> 01:58:16,697
then we don't have to really
think for ourselves, do we?
2376
01:58:16,814 --> 01:58:20,185
And so I can't damn these
people who aren't coming out,
2377
01:58:20,286 --> 01:58:24,371
or who are hiding once they come
out because they're ashamed.
2378
01:58:24,488 --> 01:58:26,372
You know, I...
2379
01:58:26,489 --> 01:58:29,326
I... I feel the same shame.
2380
01:58:29,442 --> 01:58:32,744
And I just... I'm fighting back
2381
01:58:32,878 --> 01:58:37,165
by communicating, you know?
It's a peaceful protest.
2382
01:58:37,282 --> 01:58:41,087
I want the truth to be known,
2383
01:58:41,221 --> 01:58:43,088
and...
2384
01:58:45,007 --> 01:58:46,341
Thank you.
2385
01:58:46,458 --> 01:58:48,077
You're welcome.
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