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他们从中国南来的时候
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来到马六甲落脚的时候
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也只能够从事捕鱼的生活
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我们吃的鱼的来源
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都是我们兴化同乡所提供的
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因为都是由他们捕回来的
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百多艘的渔船捕回来的
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没办法
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那个在浪里来 浪里去的人
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就是拿命去博就对了
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捕鱼辛苦
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意外什么时候
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会来我们不知道
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唯有自求平安
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马六甲河的波光粼粼
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如一幅悠扬的画卷
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展开时，我们仿佛穿越时光
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漫游在这条古老河流的怀抱中
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这条河水，宛如文明的母亲
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滋润着这片土地
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成就了一段别具风采的历史传承
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同个籍贯的人
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他在同一个行业
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那它都有一种垄断性现象的
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一个出现 当时的垄断
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它不必然是说
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就是也只有这个籍贯的人
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能够做这行生意
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但是你发现说
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怎么都是同一个籍贯的人
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就必然是在这个行业
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它其实有一个道理的
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因为当时候你想一想
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你南下的时候
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那你基本上
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你到人生地不熟的一个地方
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不管是我来到这个陌生的地方
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或者是在当地来跟我接头的
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他基本上都是因为商业的目的才来
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我可不是因为旅游就去了南洋
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我是因为说要在当地讨生活
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他需要的是一个信任
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因为当时候并不像我们现在说的
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劳资双方之间会能够签个合约
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然后合约谈不妥的话
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我们能够把它带上法庭
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所以你可以不信任对方
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但是你相信
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你可以相信我们
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现在的这整个体系
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但是当时候没有
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所以当时候你要建立这样的一种信任
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以便说整个的生产能够进行
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也只有靠一个
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是什么呢
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就是你跟我是不是同路人
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你跟我是不是同一个籍贯
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那我觉得这个
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因为这个籍贯
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那它基本上就成为了信任的契机
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我父亲呢
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中国南来
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我们的家乡
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是在中国莆田埭头镇鹅头村
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那么这个鹅头村是在沿海的地方
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他们来南洋的时候呢
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他们也只能够以海为生
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就是说从事这个捕鱼的生活
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他们从中国南来的时候
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来到马六甲落脚的时候
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也只能够从事捕鱼的生活
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所以
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在这个同乡们互相牵引的那个时代
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所以就把他们从很多的这些同乡
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从莆田的鹅头村里牵引到马六甲
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所以你可以走遍马来西亚32个属会
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里面 从事捕鱼的
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除了砂拉越 沙巴
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有一些 最多的就是在马六甲
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当年的马六甲
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整条马六甲河的河岸
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所停泊的这些船只
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都是我们莆田
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鹅头村的这个渔夫们的船只
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所以可以说是算百的
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百多艘
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你可以想象那个时候
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所以马六甲主要的
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这个鱼的来源
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我们吃的鱼的来源
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都是我们兴化同乡所提供的
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因为都是由他们捕回来的
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百多艘的
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渔船捕回来的 多的是
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那时渔船有百多艘
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那一出海的时候
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整个轰动起来
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整条河都轰动起来
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应该没有错
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是在80年代最活跃
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70年代 80年代很活跃
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那时印尼的鱼很多
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那时鱼也便宜
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坦白讲不像现在吓死人的
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现在讲到Kembung鱼
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以前是穷人吃的
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我也在pasar 那个鱼来 一斤
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那时是算斤
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没有算kg
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一斤一毛钱
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两斤卖毛半
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现在
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你1kg Kembung鱼 你知道多少钱吗
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我常常买
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我知道 1kg 20多块钱
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差一个天跟地
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捕鱼人的生活是辛苦 艰辛的
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通常都没有有趣的事情
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恐怖的事情就很多
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所以在海上作业 不只是面对天灾
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暴风雨 货轮
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最主要的就是印尼的海盗
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和它的那个军舰
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接近60年代的时候
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在印尼 马印对抗的时候
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印尼的一些比较野蛮的
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通常都会侵略这些渔船
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恐吓这些渔船
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就是会把这些渔船上的货品
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那渔网之类都拿走
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因为他们有的是武器
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他们有的是武器
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根据我父亲所说的
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那一带海底的鱼量
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在印尼那一带会比较丰富
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印尼的海军如果抓到你
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碰到你的时候
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你运气不好
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被他碰到的时候
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他可以说你已经越过了邻海
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也可以
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每次遇到印尼的
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海警 海军
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就抓人 扣船
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开枪打死
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我们渔民的也是有
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以前都有发生过
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同乡被打死一个也是有
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反正都是你
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你侵犯它邻海
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他抓你
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开枪 我也是被他们拿机关枪追
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用speedboat来追我们
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我们渔船就四散跑
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像蚂蚁这样四散跑
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看谁运气不好就给他追
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就这样情形
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我本身也被人追过
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没办法
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那个在浪里来浪里去的人
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就是拿命去博就对了
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做每个行业都是一样
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都是有风险
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坦白讲 我们最怕是遇到大风浪罢了
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还有这个海盗
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或者是印尼 白天是海军
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晚上是海盗
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他有枪
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他军装一脱下来就是海盗了
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他军装一穿就是海军
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遇过
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我遇过很多次了
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遇过很多次
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给他追
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我们也跑到笨珍的外海去抓
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也给他追
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不能够在海上
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海上妥协的话
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那么你渔船会整艘 被他连人带船拖到
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印尼的海军基地去
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那么你必须要坐进监牢
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而且你这边要找很大笔的钱
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去把他赎回
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把人赎回来
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那个船是充公
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渔网什么
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全部充公
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如果你人可以回来 已经是很幸运了
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海上有遇到两三次 起大风
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东西完全被吹
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被大风吹掉
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捕鱼辛苦 看到印尼的船出来抓我们
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一方面我们在货船路 怕货船撞到
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马六甲海峡是一条非常繁忙的航道
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渔船也面对到货船的威胁
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如果不小心的话
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那个货轮如果一走过的时候
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整排的那个渔网就不见掉了
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螺旋会把它渔网全部割断
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那个渔网就任由它漂去了
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漂走了 所以你的损失就非常的惨重
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坦白讲他们赚钱也不容易
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你想一下这肩膀顶住
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那个木材
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一天到晚都要推那个 这样
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拿出来推
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我们看了也辛苦
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我们也辛苦
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starting的时候
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没有engine的时候 要会摇橹的
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这样摇出去 摇出海
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那个更冤枉
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都这样熬过来了
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这些问题呢
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每个父母亲都是爱自己的孩子
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他们哪里还会
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再把他们的孩子送上渔船
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就不可能了
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是尽量不可能的
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我们的父母亲
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没有亲口跟你讲过 这样
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悲痛的话
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但是他们用在心灵上的寄托
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什么 拜神
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求神 求神明
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出海前 家里的
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当然是拜一些大伯公
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观音娘娘
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甚至我家里拜的是吕洞宾
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为什么会拜吕洞宾
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就在我们的这个河
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沿河旁边 前面一点 有一间吕洞宾庙
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吕洞宾庙
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渔民的渔船
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全部停泊在这条河岸边
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所以最靠近的神庙就是吕洞宾庙
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每个人要出海的时候
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都去吕洞宾那边上一炷香
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保佑平安才出海
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意外什么时候会来
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我们不知道
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唯有自求平安
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向神明祷告
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自求平安
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我这一趟出海 顺顺利利回来
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渔获有得收获 他们都已经很满足了
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有一个晚上
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某一个晚上
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天气很好的时候
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跟着爸爸出海一次 钓鱼
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真的是捕鱼
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天气也好
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是那种远洋鱼
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不是 哪里有远洋的
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那时候只是比sampan大一点而已
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哈哈哈 我想象台湾那种远洋渔船
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对 对 我们这边的渔船
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那个时代 很小的
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只是比sampan大
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Motorboat
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后来就开始是靠风的
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后来就有一个引擎
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OK 引擎大概也是几马力
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不超过10马力 很小的
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那时候近海捕鱼
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近海的沿海捕鱼
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那么我们用的网是那种pukat hanyut
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那种漂网
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放网下去就等几个小时
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看有没有鱼
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收网 我们就收网 这样而已
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我的体验就是到此为止
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到此为止
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什么年代
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那个时候我们还小
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还在读小学的时候
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那时候我们出海那一次
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是在五屿岛的外面
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不远的地方
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那么马六甲的渔船也是
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它能够出的地方也不大
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因为靠近马六甲海峡
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一到中线
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中线就是游轮路过的
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对 你会被碾过的
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所以很多船呢
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就给那个渔夫拿船撞
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甚至网就完全被拉掉
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很多悲剧
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就很多悲剧的发生
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看不到的
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兴化人他们
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很多时候
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我们现在看到都是spare part 零件
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实际上呢
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很多兴化人
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他在做这个零件销售
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之前 他们早期涉及的是脚车店
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当然也有一些是当苦力了
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但是在马六甲的
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就还有渔民或是跟渔业有关的
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这行业
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目前大概可以知道是
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马六甲的兴安人是有涉及的
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行业 渔业
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所以我们可以看到说
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在马六甲
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1950年之后有出现了这个合作社
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我们叫做兴安渔业合作社
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所以有这样的一个组织出现
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当然这个组织出现
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然后我们看到
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马六甲有渔村
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但是好像没有一个比较集中
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是所有都是兴安人的渔村
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除了马六甲市区的这条马六甲河外
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马六甲的渔民分散在Klebang
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Tanjung Kling、Umbai
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所以这几个地方
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都有马六甲渔民的所在地
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所以呢 我们可以看到说
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兴安人在马六甲呢
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他并没有形成一个
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如果是从事渔业的 全部都集合在一起
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他是比较零散的
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但是就是有这一批兴安人
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除了在这个脚车行业
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零件行业之外呢
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他也有从事捕鱼行业
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或是从事跟鱼有关的这些行业
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我知道
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是我父亲那一代
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有几个
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有几个 我父亲是美郡
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吴美郡
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那时还有很多老一派也过世了
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我知道那时候
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他们有几个也在那边讲
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就提起这个
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成立这个合作社
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不成立合作社也是麻烦的
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现在人这么多 等下像一盘散沙
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这样 倒霉
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有什么事情要找谁
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对吧 那些年以前的合作社呢
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不对
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不是像现在
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这样子
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这边很忙的
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这边收钱 有财富 有什么
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有做账 做大账的
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全部有 楼下也有
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又有卖门市
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我都来买东西
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那时候我没有
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在抓鱼的时候
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我在工作的时候
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我都有来这边买黑油
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买东西 常常有来买
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那时候
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人没有增加
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到现在也没有增加
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就是224位罢了
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224位 其实有很多没有参进来
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但是真正参进来 不止这个数目
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兴化合作社里面 姓吴
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的社员呢 哈哈哈
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成分
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也非常高的
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很多 很多
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所以好像JP也姓吴
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我也是社员
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因为我爸爸是渔夫
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所以我也继承了他的股份
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好像我父亲也转让给我们这样
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要签转让
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转让给孩子
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然后他有在的时候 他签
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我们拿form回去填
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填了 他签名
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讲我现在割给我孩子
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就这样情形
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虽然说捕鱼
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每一个月度有两个季
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一个小流 一个大流
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他们就叫流水 出海捕鱼的
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三五天过后回来
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其他的一个礼拜
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你就是要整理你的渔网这些东西
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船上的东西 可以来填补一些柴油
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冰块之类的
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那么在下一个月 下一个半月的时候
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又再出海捕鱼
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没有 那边渔船一靠岸来讲
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渔货一上来
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他们就标
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投盘就标了
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给那些鱼贩子
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鱼贩子 那时渔船
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你看一下他的渔船
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这个还是镶了新粉的渔船
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你看旧粉的渔船是扩头的
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扩头 这个比较新粉的
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马六甲捕鱼的那个渔网规格呢
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通常都只能够捕的
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是比较浅海地方的鱼
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所以就是马鲛
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西刀鱼
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这些比较多
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在1956年 这些渔夫
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不懂得组织起来
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那也是全马第一个组织
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兴化渔业合作社
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的一个族群 执照
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特别的执照
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我们有一个执照
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可以借贷
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可以吸引credit
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可以借贷这样
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这合作社
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到现在 这个合作社还保存着
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还在 那个是在1956年就成立
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比我们国家还早成立
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那个时候就是渔民
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大家互相照应
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渔夫你就知道
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他们平时也没有存的
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出海的时候买粮食
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冰块什么
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就去跟合作社提供 赊账的
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赊账提供
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那么你去买 回来的渔获
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就由合作社去
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批发卖出去
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那么就扣你那个 你拿的货品
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这些必需品
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成立时候的目的
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是想把同乡团结起来
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那么可以有什么困难
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合作社可以帮忙解决
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有什么比如纠纷
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什么东西
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多多少少 小小的纠纷
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或者是可以帮到渔民
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什么东西
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还有
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就是在 比如这个经济上面的问题
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合作社也可以出手帮忙这样
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它的目的 宗旨是这样的
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团结渔民
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如果有渔民的话
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他的渔网不见了
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或者是被偷
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或者是被轮船割走
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漂走 那么他要补回这个渔网
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一时间拿很多钱出来买那些渔网的话
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可能是一个负担
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那么唯有的
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办法就是向合作社赊账
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合作社 你是合作社的会员
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你可以向合作社寻求购买这个渔网
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但是以赊账的方式
464
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,700
就是说每一次渔获回来扣多少钱
465
00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,000
就是这样慢慢扣而已
466
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,766
这个就是
467
00:16:07,766 --> 00:16:11,500
所以我们的兴化渔业合作社
468
00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:13,600
借贷有限
469
00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,300
合作社 为什么要加这两个借贷
470
00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:18,366
就是说渔民有辛苦
471
00:16:18,366 --> 00:16:19,500
会员有辛苦
472
00:16:19,566 --> 00:16:23,133
可以向合作社寻求贷款
473
00:16:23,133 --> 00:16:25,966
合作社是在这个范围里面呢
474
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:28,200
起到了很广泛的作用
475
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,766
所以合作社来讲
476
00:16:30,966 --> 00:16:34,533
对于渔民来说是一个保障
477
00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:35,733
是一个保障
478
00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:38,133
是一个生活中的小保障
479
00:16:38,133 --> 00:16:40,466
当初我们渔业
480
00:16:40,466 --> 00:16:44,400
合作社还有pasar 有做投盘的生意
481
00:16:44,866 --> 00:16:45,333
投盘的生意
482
00:16:45,333 --> 00:16:47,200
那时印尼的鱼很多
483
00:16:47,566 --> 00:16:49,266
那么有投盘的生意
484
00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,466
还有店面 下面也是有开 有卖一点
485
00:16:53,466 --> 00:16:54,733
好像渔业的东西
486
00:16:54,733 --> 00:16:55,700
渔船的东西
487
00:16:55,700 --> 00:16:56,933
渔网 黑油
488
00:16:56,933 --> 00:16:58,266
什么东西都有
489
00:16:58,366 --> 00:17:00,500
油石也是有 渔船
490
00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:03,300
所要用到的东西都有
491
00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:07,466
也包括在兴安会馆对面那个冰场
492
00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:10,966
生产冰块给渔业
493
00:17:10,966 --> 00:17:12,266
给渔船用的
494
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:13,600
495
00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:17,800
那时在做渣男成立的时候
496
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,066
那时也是自己的很多个老前辈
497
00:17:21,066 --> 00:17:22,166
包括我父亲
498
00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:24,533
很辛劳的
499
00:17:24,566 --> 00:17:27,533
每个都是任劳任怨的
500
00:17:27,533 --> 00:17:28,566
薪水又低
501
00:17:29,533 --> 00:17:32,400
我听讲几十块钱一个月 薪水
502
00:17:33,066 --> 00:17:34,366
当初的钱大
503
00:17:34,533 --> 00:17:35,900
现在钱就小
504
00:17:36,066 --> 00:17:37,900
那么渔业合作社的功能
505
00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:39,800
主要就是提供
506
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,800
好像借贷
507
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,733
因为他们需要很大的冰块
508
00:17:44,733 --> 00:17:47,500
还是什么 保存这个所捕上来
509
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:48,300
这个鲜鱼
510
00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:49,933
因为他们肯定需要捕
511
00:17:49,933 --> 00:17:52,100
几天之后才能够回来
512
00:17:52,466 --> 00:17:53,600
所以他们要保鲜
513
00:17:53,933 --> 00:17:55,866
所以需要这些大块的冰块
514
00:17:55,933 --> 00:17:57,300
还有渔船
515
00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:58,533
万一有
516
00:17:58,733 --> 00:18:00,500
损坏 损失
517
00:18:00,933 --> 00:18:02,300
他们都需要这个
518
00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:04,366
合作社的协助贷款 还是什么
519
00:18:04,366 --> 00:18:06,200
这样 还有他的渔网
520
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,200
有时渔网不见掉了
521
00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:12,566
可能因为割 不小心丢掉
522
00:18:12,566 --> 00:18:13,966
丢失在海上
523
00:18:14,066 --> 00:18:16,166
所以他们要去购买的时候
524
00:18:16,166 --> 00:18:19,600
就通过这个渔业合作社来做
525
00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,600
合作社的这份
526
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,066
为社员所提供的这些服务及工作
527
00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:26,966
有时缺用
528
00:18:26,966 --> 00:18:30,333
渔网 我们不是跟它拿先
529
00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:32,266
才来扣账
530
00:18:32,466 --> 00:18:33,900
我们把鱼收获
531
00:18:34,366 --> 00:18:36,733
交给我们的兴化渔业合作社
532
00:18:37,566 --> 00:18:38,400
去售卖的话
533
00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,133
当然不是
534
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,800
卖鱼不是讲 现在马上就售卖
535
00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,966
就好像pasar你讲 1kg多少钱
536
00:18:44,966 --> 00:18:46,333
不是 因为卖鱼
537
00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:48,333
那个渔获 你拿上岸的时候
538
00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:49,500
拿到pasar去的时候
539
00:18:49,866 --> 00:18:52,133
他们必须要竞标 下标
540
00:18:52,766 --> 00:18:55,333
下标 你这一堆鱼
541
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,000
值得2块钱或者是1块8 每个
542
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000
就喊标
543
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,066
喊了标过后 价高者得
544
00:19:02,733 --> 00:19:05,566
那么我们这些渔民就受惠
545
00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:08,366
因为可以拿到更好的价格
546
00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:11,500
那么这个渔获卖了过后
547
00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:15,933
抽一个8% 给合作社作为经费
548
00:19:16,133 --> 00:19:19,166
合作社就是用这些渔民的收获
549
00:19:19,166 --> 00:19:20,266
渔获的巴仙率
550
00:19:20,266 --> 00:19:24,300
款项来维持整个合作社的运作
551
00:19:33,266 --> 00:19:34,566
要发展马六甲河
552
00:19:34,566 --> 00:19:35,966
要美化马六甲河
553
00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:37,300
就把渔船一赶
554
00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:38,800
赶去海边那边
555
00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:41,000
红绿灯那边一放
556
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,866
我就预感
557
00:19:43,866 --> 00:19:44,600
我讲完了
558
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,466
这个一弄好
559
00:19:46,666 --> 00:19:47,766
渔船回不来了
560
00:19:47,766 --> 00:19:49,733
真的给我们预算得很准
561
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,366
他不给你回来了
562
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,933
但是在赶出之前呢
563
00:19:52,933 --> 00:19:53,466
马六甲河
564
00:19:53,466 --> 00:19:56,900
已经差不多是空荡很多了
565
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,533
所剩无几
566
00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:01,600
因为那个时候已经慢慢的 那个渔船
567
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,200
老一辈的退休了过后
568
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,266
那些渔船有的可以变卖的
569
00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:06,766
就变卖掉了
570
00:20:06,766 --> 00:20:10,200
所以就没有那些年轻人来接手
571
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,566
这些渔船 所以变成整个行业来讲
572
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,100
从那个时候就开始 已经走下坡了
573
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,366
捕鱼的生活已经开始慢慢退出了
574
00:20:21,366 --> 00:20:23,500
马六甲的这个
575
00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:24,400
捕鱼的行业
576
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,300
那么唯一流传下来的
577
00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:28,400
就是马六甲兴安渔业合作社
578
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,933
还保留着在pasar有一个摊位
579
00:20:32,466 --> 00:20:33,766
就是售卖鱼的
580
00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,066
跟印尼鱼商引进这个印尼鱼
581
00:20:36,133 --> 00:20:38,700
再把这个鱼批发给这个二盘商
582
00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:39,900
去售卖这些鱼
583
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:41,366
在马六甲河畔
584
00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,500
曾经喧闹的渔业
585
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:46,000
已随着时代潮流而消逝
586
00:20:46,566 --> 00:20:50,133
河船上渔民的吆喝声再也不见踪影
587
00:20:50,133 --> 00:20:53,700
如今，马六甲随着时代前进
588
00:20:54,266 --> 00:20:56,133
迎来了崭新的篇章
589
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:57,600
继续流淌
590
00:20:58,133 --> 00:21:01,466
拥抱着崭新的使命和历史进程
591
00:21:01,466 --> 00:21:02,866
这是一座城市
592
00:21:02,866 --> 00:21:05,500
在变迁中焕发新的魅力
593
00:21:06,066 --> 00:21:08,200
见证着时代的风起云涌
594
00:21:08,266 --> 00:21:09,300
我们晃过去
595
00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:12,900
你看 我们在小孩子 11、12岁在这边玩耍
596
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,533
到现在我们70多岁的人
597
00:21:16,166 --> 00:21:17,533
所以我们
598
00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:19,766
往事不堪回首就对了
599
00:21:19,933 --> 00:21:21,733
想起以前渔民的时候
600
00:21:21,733 --> 00:21:22,766
真的是很惨
601
00:21:23,133 --> 00:21:25,500
坦白讲 有的起初
602
00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:30,200
听我父亲讲 从中国过来的时候
603
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,900
船费都没有
604
00:21:33,866 --> 00:21:35,533
还要还期
605
00:21:35,766 --> 00:21:37,900
好像我们这边instalment这样子
606
00:21:38,733 --> 00:21:39,733
这样子来弄
607
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,000
达到今天 那时人口也不是很多
608
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,133
到现在目前 人口也相当多了
609
00:21:48,166 --> 00:21:50,566
每个开枝散叶 这样几十年过去了
610
00:21:50,566 --> 00:21:52,133
我们也一般老了
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