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The zombie is absolutely
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all-American horror metaphor.
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They are the monster
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of the 21st century.
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Right now it does seem like
we're in the middle
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of a zombie apocalypse.
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We're getting our chance
to exercise
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our most anti-social emotions.
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You know, that...
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that mob impulse that's like,
"Yeah, kill them all
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and let God sort them out."
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Eventually
they overwhelm you.
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They're not stopping to eat.
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Well, I mean,
unless they're stopping
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- to eat one of you.
- We're all gonna die.
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We all are gonna
get cancer one day.
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We're all gonna get sick.
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It's almost like
an accelerated version of that.
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We don't want zombies
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to come and destroy
all of our friends
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and family and institutions...
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but on some level,
maybe we do.
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Like, on some level
it provides us a chance
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to just dismantle
everything...
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And possibly start over.
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What are humans like
when faced with the end
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of humanity?
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What are they like
when they're faced
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with very few choices
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in... in regards
to how to survive?
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That's the horror
of zombie movies.
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- No!
- It's the wrong impulses
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that come out of people
that are far more terrifying
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than the walking dead.
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I'm Eli Roth.
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The history of horror
is filled with monsters.
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Nightmare figures that tap
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into our deepest fears.
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But our fears,
and our monsters,
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change with the times.
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Right now, it's the time
of the zombie.
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Fast zombies, slow zombies,
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comedy zombies,
teen zombies...
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Whatever their shape,
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zombies are everywhere.
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How did we get here?
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What set off zombie fever?
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As we'll see,
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zombies have been around
for decades.
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But the debut
of "The Walking Dead"
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in 2010 saw them explode
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into popular culture.
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To almost everyone's
surprise, a horror series
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became the most popular show
on television.
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My brother's kids...
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ten years old, five years...
they watch "Walking Dead."
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Kids eight years old
watch "Walking Dead."
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What is it
about "Walking Dead"
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that zombies have become so,
almost normalized
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that kids love it.
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They don't take it seriously.
I think it's amazing.
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- Well...
- "Walking Dead" plays
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- like a family show.
- It's all about
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the characters.
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You can follow
this group of people
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as they struggle to survive
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week after week
after week after week.
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You can see them live,
you can see them die,
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you can see everything
that they go through
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with the zombie apocalypse
set as the backdrop.
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Everybody wants to...
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think that they would be able
to survive
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the zombie apocalypse.
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You figure, "What would I do
to survive?"
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Uh, because that is the crux
of the show,
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ordinary people who
all of a sudden
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are thrust into
an extraordinary situation.
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which always give you
some of the best drama.
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Are you gonna fight
for what you believe in?
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Are you gonna be
the type of person
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that runs away from it?
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You know, there's no status
and... and fame,
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and money, and uh,
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there's none
of that bull.
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The apocalyptic simulation
is really an interesting
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sociological experiment
about, you know,
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who do people become,
and who would I become,
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and what would be okay
if the rules weren't
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the same anymore?
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I want to be a Michonne...
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But I'm probably more of, um...
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I don't know, a Eugene.
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You got a name, ass?
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Eugene.
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They're coming to get you,
Barbara.
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Stop it!
You're acting like a child.
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They're coming for you.
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Look, there comes
one of them now.
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Without George Romero and
"Night of the Living Dead,"
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there would be
no "Walking Dead."
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"Night of the Living Dead"
laid the template
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for every zombie
survival story that followed.
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It's a simple plot...
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six people trapped
in a farmhouse
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surrounded by
the flesh-eating undead...
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but it changed everything.
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You got to see
the boundary pushed
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going from
the 1950s creatures...
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the man in the rubber suit...
to like, graphic viscera.
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- Mm-hmm.
- What was it like seeing it
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pushed farther and farther?
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I can remember just
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sort of wandering into
a screening
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of "Night of the Living Dead."
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The whole place was full
of kids... it was like
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a Saturday matinee...
and they're all, you know,
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yelling and grab-assing around
and throwing
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their popcorn boxes,
and that thing got going
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and they just fell
entirely silent.
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And I was scared, too.
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The first time that you see
something like that,
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you're not prepared
for what you're looking at.
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George Romero
really creates the rules.
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I mean, the whole thing
of, like, if you get bit,
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- you turned into one...
- Yeah.
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Shoot them in the head...
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- That didn't exist before.
- Those rules
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for the modern-day zombie
were created 50 years ago.
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- By George Romero.
- If I were surrounded
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by six or eight
of these things, would I stand
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- a chance with them?
- Well, there's no problem.
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If you had a gun,
shoot 'em in the head.
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That's a sure way to kill 'em.
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If you don't, get yourself
a club or a torch.
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Beat 'em or burn 'em.
They go up pretty easy.
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It almost feels like
the zombie movie...
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there's like a quantum leap
that happens
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where there are
different phases.
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Like the 1930s and '40s,
it was the...
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"I Walked With a Zombie."
It was "White Zombie."
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It was the hypnotist zombie.
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It was a mad scientist
on an island
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that has found a way
to raise the dead
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- and enslave them.
- A lot of zombie films
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were about people
who had been just stripped
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of their identity
and were slaves, almost.
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You know, they could be
workers, or they could just
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sort of shamble and look scary,
but they weren't attacking
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and biting and killing
like they did
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in "Night of the Living Dead."
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Baby...
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Mean, there were things
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that were so transgressive
in that movie.
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The little girl stabs
her mother to death.
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The little kid
killing her mom, that had...
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no one had ever seen
anything like that.
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The first time you see it,
you're just horrified.
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You can't believe
what you're seeing.
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"Night of the Living Dead"
was much more
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of a claustrophobic nightmare
kind of experience,
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"Night of the Living Dead"
is also, uh,
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somewhat facetious,
and it's also...
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it has its
sociopolitical allegory.
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What's important about
"Night of the Living Dead"
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is the fact that the travails
of the people
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locked in that house
are really a microcosm
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of what's going on
in American society
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The tumult of the late 1960s
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is reflected in the fear
and the... the violence
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that... that occur in
and around that house.
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That movie's revolutionary
in many, many ways
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and had profound impact...
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the fact it had
a black lead...
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Which George always said
was not deliberate.
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It was that Duane was
the best actor.
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I don't believe him.
I think it was deliberate.
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With all of us working,
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we can fix this place up
in no time.
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We have everything we need
up here.
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We can take all that stuff
downstairs with us.
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Man, you're really crazy,
you know that?
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Let's say you're a...
a white viewer
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in the late 1960s...
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who has a few prejudices, say,
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and is a little bit worried
that the world is ending
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because of all of the, uh,
racial legislation
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of the '60s...
The Voting Rights Act,
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The Civil Rights Act...
and here's this zombie film
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where the dead
are coming back to life
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and a black man is in charge.
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I don't want anyone's life
on my hands.
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- Is there anything I can do?
- I don't wanna hear any more
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from you, mister.
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If you stay up here,
you take orders from me.
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I will contend that
that might have been
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as frightening to some viewers
as the child eating her mother
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in the basement.
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What we get is potentially
something hopeful, you know,
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with the African-American
protagonist...
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like maybe some new direction
socially...
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but instead it just turns
into vigilante justice
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represented by
a white lynch mob.
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You can imagine the... the shock
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that audiences must have felt
to... to be coaxed
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into identifying
with a black man
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only to have him shot
and then pitchforked
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onto a pile of burning bodies
at the end.
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That's a slap.
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That's a direct slap
to any audience,
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right wing or left wing.
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"The Night
of the Living Dead"
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does not end on any kind
of triumph.
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Your hero is shot by police.
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It's the most upsetting ending
in cinema.
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And then that has continued
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through horror cinema
of actually...
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It doesn't always have
a happy ending.
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I think that's the joy
of horror cinema,
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is that it can, like,
affect you in lots
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- of different ways.
- If George Romero
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had only made
"Night of the Living Dead,"
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he would still be a legend...
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But he didn't stop.
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"Night of the Living Dead"
and its sequels
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changed the course
of film history.
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and inspired the best
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the horror genre has to offer.
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He was such a big influence
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on "Shaun of the Dead."
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We liked this idea
of our film taking place
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within George Romero's
universe.
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"Shaun of the Dead"
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was so well done
that it opened the floodgates
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to, like, everybody to try
and make a zombie movie.
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Today, zombie movies
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and TV shows are everywhere.
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but not so long ago,
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they had virtually
disappeared.
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Edgar Wright's
"Shaun of the Dead"
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helped bring them back
bigger than ever.
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When we thought up the idea
for "Shaun of the Dead,"
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one of the inspirations for it
is because there hadn't been
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a zombie film
for, like, 15 years.
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We always had this theory
that, like, uh,
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John Landis' video
for "Thriller"
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sort of killed off zombies
for the second half
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of the '80s and early '90s.
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So I think what happened was,
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all of a sudden
the zombie genre...
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which traditionally had
probably sort of died out...
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- Yeah.
- A little bit...
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and then all of a sudden
you have all these
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zombie video games
and they're like, ",
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man, people love
shooting zombies."
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It was around, like,
the late 1990s
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when "Resident Evil" came out...
the game.
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So people started
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to take an interest
in the genre again.
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Every now and then,
we see a movie
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that is supposedly horror...
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but yet uses
social commentary brilliantly,
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and the best example
is "Shaun of the Dead."
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You want to know
where Britain was
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at that time, you look at
"Shaun of the Dead."
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In the '90s and the dawn
of the new century,
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we were in a new phase
in Britain...
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and a whole new generation
of Britons were asking:
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"What's next?"
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And they were a little lost.
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Hey, man, listen, um...
oh, top left.
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- Uh-huh.
- I was gonna say...
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- reload.
- I'm on it.
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And it was brilliant.
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What I love about
"Shaun of the Dead"
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is they're not making fun of...
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zombie movies,
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they're making
a funny zombie movie.
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I'm not gonna say,
"If you love her, let her go,"
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and I'm not gonna bombard you
with clichés.
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But what I will say is this...
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It's not the end of the world.
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And they play on
all the tropes...
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Sorry, we're closed.
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I'd been playing
"Resident Evil 3,"
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like, all night.
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My girlfriend at the time
had gone away...
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And I promised her
I wouldn't play video games
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all weekend,
and I did exactly that.
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I remember, vividly,
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playing it until
the sun came up.
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And then walking
across the street
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to the news agent
to get some milk
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to make some tea...
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and I walked across the street,
and it was completely empty
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on a Sunday morning.
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And the shop was
the only thing that was open,
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and in that moment,
I had a thought of thinking,
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"What would it be like if
if zombies were here right now,
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and what would I do?"
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Because we don't really
have guns in the UK,
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How would I defend myself?
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It's just
that little thought
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really sort of started
to inspire the sequence
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where Shaun walks
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to the store and back
hungover.
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So the zombie apocalypse
has started,
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but he's still unaware of it.
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But he does this walk...
it's a long,
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steady cam shot...
and he goes into the shop
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and he doesn't notice...
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little things.
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The bloody handprints
on the wall,
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and he's walking away
from the refrigerator
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and he just slips in blood.
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It's so subtle, but it's...
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It's such a great moment
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because you know...
you as the audience
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know what's coming...
his character doesn't
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know it yet, and it's...
he... he's still out of it.
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- Nelson.
- It's such a simple moment
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but it's one of my favorite
moments in the movie.
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It's wonderful,
the way they show
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the collapse of society.
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Zombies become a symbol
of anarchy,
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and the collapse
of the system,
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and all that protects us.
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Top left!
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- Ah!
- Reload.
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I'm on it.
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We wanted to stay true
to the spirit
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of "Night of the Living Dead"
and "Dawn of the Dead."
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The film is like a valentine
to George Romero
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because we love those movies.
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We're, like, sharing our deep,
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deep love for the subject.
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Right down to its title,
"Shaun of the Dead"
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is a tribute to what
any horror fan will tell you
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is the greatest zombie film
of all time.
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There's no greater
zombie movie
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than "Dawn of the Dead."
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I think "Dawn of the Dead"
is a real masterpiece.
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It's that rare kind
of, like, nightmare world
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which you actually wouldn't...
I mean, maybe this is just me,
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but you wouldn't mind
being in it.
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- No! No!
- George Romero's
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"Night of the Living Dead"
created the modern zombie.
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That was a hard act to follow,
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but the director topped it
with his sequel,
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"Dawn of the Dead."
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"Dawn of the Dead"
was a potent mixture
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of horror, satire,
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and outrageous
special effects.
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It's, uh, basically
a continuation of the...
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of "Night of the Living Dead,"
where zombies are
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taking over the world.
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This was the first depiction
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of a full-scale
zombie apocalypse,
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a nightmare vision
of social collapse
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that became the template
for virtually
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every end-of-the-world story
we see today.
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Once again, Romero used horror
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to comment on American values.
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He is masterfully executing
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all of those horror elements
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in a way that brings it
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right to a social justice
scenario...
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Martinez!
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You've been watching!
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You know we've got
this building surrounded!
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Particularly that opening
when in the ghettos,
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all of the poor
are keeping their loved ones
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hidden away from the rest
of the world,
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because they know that
they will kill them.
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People in this project
are your responsibility.
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In the first 20 minutes,
there's a SWAT team
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- raiding a house...
- Yeah.
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And one
of the police officers
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is unbelievably racist.
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Yeah, come on, Martinez.
Show your greasy little
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Puerto Rican ass
so I can blow it right off.
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And I was like,
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"Why is this guy concerned
with racism?"
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Like, there's zombies
in the building.
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It was unbelievable.
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I was like,
"Aren't there bigger problems?"
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Let's go, let's go!
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That blew my mind as a kid
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because I realized
I was watching
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a political story
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about the race
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and class system in America.
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After showing
society crumbling,
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the film shifts focus
to a small group of survivors
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who take refuge
in a suburban shopping mall.
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I think the great thing
about zombies
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is they are like
a catch-all metaphor
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of the world's ills,
and I think George Romero
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doesn't really get
enough credit as a satirist
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as well as a horror film maker.
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Come on!
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"Dawn of the Dead"
being the most
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kind of savage statement
about the state of consumerism
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in the late '70s.
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The idea of
the mindless hordes
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flock to the big
fancy shopping mall...
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That was very pointed
and very funny.
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What are they doing?
Why do they come here?
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Some kind of instinct.
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Memory of what
they used to do.
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This was an important place
in their lives.
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You can't watch that movie
and not become aware
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of the fact
that this is a story about
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what humans really are:
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grasping, vampiric creatures
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that kind of return endlessly
to their old habits
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because it's
what they're taught.
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I think "Dawn of the Dead"
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should be sold in a box set
with "Easy Rider."
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It should be called
"The Baby Boomers:
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The Beginning and the End."
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Romero has managed
to distill...
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The worst of every generation
into all of his movies.
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You see the baby boomers
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losing their souls.
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What have we done
to ourselves?
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Because what Romero did
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was channel his outrage
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at his generation's
ultimate surrender
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of all their ideals
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- and he put it in a movie.
- So, I mean,
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if you were gonna go out and do
a talky little, uh, drama
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to try to criticize
the consumer society
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that we have here,
you couldn't make
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- $30 million, you know?
- That's for sure.
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So, terrific.
You get a couple of jabs in
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while you're having fun
with the rollercoaster ride
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00:19:23,955 --> 00:19:26,291
which really is the surface.
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00:19:28,752 --> 00:19:31,046
Romero was a man
with a message,
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00:19:31,088 --> 00:19:33,382
but his gleeful embrace
of gore
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made him a horror favorite.
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00:19:35,467 --> 00:19:37,969
"Dawn of the Dead,"
I had never seen that level
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00:19:38,011 --> 00:19:39,221
of a body count in a movie.
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You're, like, watching like,
"Who made this?"
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00:19:50,899 --> 00:19:52,609
- Yeah.
- Like, a maniac?
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00:19:54,778 --> 00:19:57,698
But normally, one movie,
there'd be one kill
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that was amazing,
and it was like
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00:19:59,408 --> 00:20:01,618
every 30 seconds,
each kill was different.
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00:20:02,994 --> 00:20:04,579
- That helicopter blade...
- Yeah.
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00:20:04,621 --> 00:20:06,265
- Pulling it off the head...
- The guy with
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- the giant forehead.
- Which... which if you were...
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00:20:07,916 --> 00:20:09,556
- Exactly.
- By the way, when you're a kid
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you never see that coming.
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You see he staggers out
and his head...
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You never put
two and two together.
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Now you look at it and go,
"Oh, of course, he's gonna
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get his head cut off."
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00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:23,890
Really accomplished
horror directors knew
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00:20:23,932 --> 00:20:26,476
having Tom Savini doing
the make-up special effects
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00:20:26,518 --> 00:20:28,520
that it was gonna
elevate that film.
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00:20:28,562 --> 00:20:31,732
and give them a wider audience
than they ever anticipated.
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00:20:31,773 --> 00:20:33,400
Well, it was Halloween
every day.
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We did that for three months
in a shopping mall.
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00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:38,864
80% of the effects in that
were stuff that
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we came up with.
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We'd go to George and say,
"Hey, how about if we drive
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a screwdriver through...
through the zombies, here."
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00:20:43,952 --> 00:20:46,079
And he'd go, "Okay."
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00:20:46,121 --> 00:20:48,081
So then two hours later
we're making
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retractable screwdrivers
and, you know,
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00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,252
making it bleed inside
a zombie's ear.
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But the scene
that makes you like, wonder,
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"Oh, wow...
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can I even handle this?"
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Is when the zombie
in the project...
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when, uh, his wife...
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He's still alive,
comes to her and...
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00:21:06,433 --> 00:21:07,433
and embraces him.
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00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:09,020
"My baby, my baby."
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00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:10,854
And then she... he just bites...
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just a chunk out
of her shoulder.
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00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:15,484
Carlito...
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It just looks real.
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It just... it just...
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you buy it.
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00:21:21,782 --> 00:21:23,992
If humans had
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shark-like mouths,
that's probably the effect
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00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,663
of what would happen
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if a sharky human bit you.
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It's just an effect
we had never seen before,
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and it draws a line
in the sand.
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"Am I ready
for the rest of this?"
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00:21:39,382 --> 00:21:42,052
George Romero's vision
was so influential
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that for decades,
most screen zombies
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were slow-moving ghouls.
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But in 2002,
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Danny Boyle's
"28 Days Later"
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gave us a zombie
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for the fast-moving
21st century
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and set off a controversy
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that rages to this day.
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- I'm a slow zombie guy.
- I like fast zombies.
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00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:05,116
I'm a card-carrying
slow zombie fan.
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00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:14,125
Imagine waking up in a world
ravaged by a disease
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that turns ordinary people
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into mindless predators
driven to kill.
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00:22:20,257 --> 00:22:22,968
This is the premise
of "28 Days Later,"
507
00:22:23,009 --> 00:22:25,971
director Danny Boyle's
groundbreaking reinvention
508
00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,055
of the zombie film.
509
00:22:32,894 --> 00:22:35,522
Fight! Fight!
510
00:22:35,564 --> 00:22:37,107
"28 Days Later"
511
00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:40,068
is a perfect horror movie
512
00:22:40,110 --> 00:22:42,863
because it's based
on a premise
513
00:22:42,904 --> 00:22:44,906
you can completely believe.
514
00:22:44,948 --> 00:22:46,700
I don't know what it's like
515
00:22:46,741 --> 00:22:48,618
to be bitten by a vampire.
516
00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:50,096
I don't know what it's like
to be threatened
517
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,872
by a werewolf.
518
00:22:53,373 --> 00:22:55,667
But I can imagine
what it's like...
519
00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:58,753
to have a plague spread
like wildfire
520
00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:01,381
because it's just too close
521
00:23:01,423 --> 00:23:03,884
to the headlines
of today's news.
522
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,387
It could happen.
523
00:23:08,805 --> 00:23:10,557
"28 Days Later" came out
524
00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,101
a year after 9/11,
and it includes
525
00:23:13,143 --> 00:23:15,145
these really haunting scenes
526
00:23:15,186 --> 00:23:17,397
of a deserted London...
527
00:23:20,775 --> 00:23:23,904
Missing persons flyers
pasted to bulletin boards
528
00:23:23,945 --> 00:23:26,197
like we saw post 9/11...
529
00:23:28,408 --> 00:23:31,077
It also was able to, uh,
530
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,997
capitalize on a lot of the...
the anxieties
531
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:35,916
and fears of the time.
532
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:39,419
SARS and anthrax
533
00:23:39,461 --> 00:23:42,756
and Mad Cow's Disease,
bird flues...
534
00:23:42,797 --> 00:23:44,799
Father...
535
00:23:44,841 --> 00:23:47,218
Also, Danny Boyle
536
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:48,803
was commenting on, uh,
537
00:23:48,845 --> 00:23:51,139
the rage that he saw
in society.
538
00:23:51,181 --> 00:23:53,308
Road rage,
people fighting on line
539
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:54,684
in the supermarkets...
540
00:23:56,645 --> 00:23:59,564
He envisioned a zombie story
that took advantage
541
00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:02,317
of this psychological virus
542
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,611
that could be unleashed
and have, like,
543
00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,780
a zombie effect on people.
544
00:24:09,199 --> 00:24:10,951
There was one big difference
545
00:24:10,992 --> 00:24:13,328
between George Romero's'
zombies and the infected
546
00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:15,580
in "28 Days Later":
547
00:24:15,622 --> 00:24:17,290
these zombies were fast.
548
00:24:17,332 --> 00:24:20,627
People talked about sort of
the next quantum leap
549
00:24:20,669 --> 00:24:22,796
in zombie movies...
550
00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:26,675
As "28 Days Later"
'cause it had running zombies.
551
00:24:26,716 --> 00:24:28,468
Even though there were
running infected
552
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:30,595
in Umberto Lenzi's
"Nightmare City" from 1980.
553
00:24:35,767 --> 00:24:37,852
I'm a slow zombie guy.
554
00:24:37,894 --> 00:24:39,646
Not that I don't like
555
00:24:39,688 --> 00:24:41,690
- a good fast zombie movie.
- Somebody!
556
00:24:41,731 --> 00:24:43,525
Uh, I loved "28 Days Later."
557
00:24:43,566 --> 00:24:45,026
Yes, I know.
558
00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:47,487
They're not technically dead.
559
00:24:47,529 --> 00:24:49,197
They are rage virus.
560
00:24:49,239 --> 00:24:51,074
I get that.
561
00:24:52,993 --> 00:24:55,328
If I can make a criticism
of running zombies, it's this:
562
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:56,997
It's that running zombies
generally...
563
00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:58,665
there's kind of like
a fitness level.
564
00:24:58,707 --> 00:25:00,709
If you look at the zombies
in "28 Days Later,"
565
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:03,253
they're nearly always, like,
sort of fit.
566
00:25:03,294 --> 00:25:06,131
You know, like they're in
like a sneakers commercial.
567
00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:11,594
When you increase the speed,
the people that lose out
568
00:25:11,636 --> 00:25:14,097
are the old zombies,
and the overweight zombies,
569
00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:16,391
and the little kid zombies,
and I would rather have
570
00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:18,476
a more inclusive range
of zombies.
571
00:25:20,729 --> 00:25:23,815
Zombies that are slow are
infinitely more terrifying.
572
00:25:23,857 --> 00:25:25,209
It's the difference between
getting shot
573
00:25:25,233 --> 00:25:27,819
and getting cancer.
574
00:25:27,861 --> 00:25:30,905
You get killed by, say,
a fast zombie
575
00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:34,325
in the "World War Z" movie
or "28 Days Later,"
576
00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:36,036
you're dead
before you know it.
577
00:25:36,077 --> 00:25:37,954
Happens too fast.
578
00:25:39,873 --> 00:25:41,666
But the slow zombie...
579
00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:43,960
the zombie that gives you
time to think...
580
00:25:44,002 --> 00:25:47,338
allows you to visualize
your own death...
581
00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:53,303
And that is one
of the darker elements
582
00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:55,305
of the human mind.
583
00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:56,890
Fast or slow...
584
00:25:56,931 --> 00:25:58,767
Zombies are usually created
585
00:25:58,808 --> 00:26:01,728
by accidental radiation leaks
or rogue viruses.
586
00:26:03,855 --> 00:26:05,690
But there is another kind
of zombie:
587
00:26:05,732 --> 00:26:08,193
The deliberately
reanimated corpse,
588
00:26:08,234 --> 00:26:09,903
like Frankenstein's monster.
589
00:26:09,944 --> 00:26:12,030
- Alive!
- Created by Mary Shelley
590
00:26:12,072 --> 00:26:15,033
in 1818,
Frankenstein's monster
591
00:26:15,075 --> 00:26:17,827
is the most famous member
of the walking dead.
592
00:26:17,869 --> 00:26:19,579
Frankenstein's monster
593
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:21,581
is a zombie for sure.
594
00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,291
In the novel, he's just a...
595
00:26:23,333 --> 00:26:26,920
a zombie that can talk
way too much.
596
00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:28,630
As a kid,
I really felt connected
597
00:26:28,671 --> 00:26:30,256
to Frankenstein's monster,
not so much
598
00:26:30,298 --> 00:26:31,591
to Frankenstein himself.
599
00:26:31,633 --> 00:26:33,384
I think that goes for a lot
600
00:26:33,426 --> 00:26:35,345
of those
original horror classics.
601
00:26:35,386 --> 00:26:37,472
Those characters
are sort of stand-ins
602
00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:40,141
for people that are
on the fringe of society
603
00:26:40,183 --> 00:26:41,893
or castaways... cast outs.
604
00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:46,397
Boris Karloff's
Frankenstein
605
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:48,233
is still
the definitive version
606
00:26:48,274 --> 00:26:49,818
of this monster.
607
00:26:49,859 --> 00:26:51,528
Its direct descendant
608
00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:54,322
is "H.P. Lovecraft's
Re-Animator."
609
00:26:54,364 --> 00:26:56,241
With "Re-Animator,"
610
00:26:56,282 --> 00:26:59,202
director Stuart Gordon
reimagined the zombie film
611
00:26:59,244 --> 00:27:01,955
as a wildly transgressive
horror comedy.
612
00:27:03,581 --> 00:27:06,000
I remember I went to a...
like a... a bunch of kids
613
00:27:06,042 --> 00:27:08,062
were hanging out at a house
like have... having a party
614
00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:09,754
and they watched
"Breakfast Club,"
615
00:27:09,796 --> 00:27:12,423
and I was never... I had never
been so bored in a movie.
616
00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:14,592
I was just, like, waiting
for something to happen.
617
00:27:14,634 --> 00:27:16,278
- Somebody gets the hot potato.
- Something.
618
00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:17,822
And I was like, "I have
a much better movie."
619
00:27:17,846 --> 00:27:19,115
And I put on "Re-Animator..."
620
00:27:19,139 --> 00:27:20,407
And the whole party
cleared out.
621
00:27:25,103 --> 00:27:27,313
Well, the film
is about medical students
622
00:27:27,355 --> 00:27:29,357
who find a way to bring
the dead back to life.
623
00:27:29,399 --> 00:27:31,192
Particularly,
there's this one genius,
624
00:27:31,234 --> 00:27:34,404
Herbert West...
he's developed a serum which,
625
00:27:34,445 --> 00:27:37,574
when it's injected
into a dead body, revives it.
626
00:27:40,368 --> 00:27:43,121
But the dead
are never very grateful.
627
00:27:45,456 --> 00:27:48,710
What was great about
Stuart Gordon's take on it...
628
00:27:48,751 --> 00:27:50,670
he put a really interesting
sense of humor
629
00:27:50,712 --> 00:27:52,213
in the whole thing.
630
00:27:53,882 --> 00:27:56,134
'Cause you can look
631
00:27:56,176 --> 00:27:57,778
- at "Re-Animator" as a comedy.
- You'll never get credit
632
00:27:57,802 --> 00:27:59,220
for my discovery.
633
00:27:59,262 --> 00:28:00,698
Who's going to believe
a talking head?
634
00:28:00,722 --> 00:28:02,432
Get a job in a sideshow.
635
00:28:02,473 --> 00:28:04,601
"Re-Animator"
was like nothing
636
00:28:04,642 --> 00:28:07,478
I had seen before...
like nothing anyone
637
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,982
had seen before...
and the audacity of it
638
00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:13,067
is what makes it
so powerful.
639
00:28:19,282 --> 00:28:20,909
Boy, that's a sick picture.
640
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:22,994
Really transgressive.
641
00:28:23,036 --> 00:28:25,788
Got a lot of crawling hands
and heads rolling around
642
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:28,750
like bowling balls.
643
00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:30,793
You should not be
censoring yourself.
644
00:28:32,629 --> 00:28:33,814
You know, they'll be doing
everything they can
645
00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:34,964
to censor you.
646
00:28:35,006 --> 00:28:36,591
You should not give them
an inch.
647
00:28:40,261 --> 00:28:42,281
"Re-Animator's" fun.
I don't know what it's about,
648
00:28:42,305 --> 00:28:44,015
like, that... I don't know
that it's about
649
00:28:44,057 --> 00:28:46,351
any big ideas whatsoever,
650
00:28:46,392 --> 00:28:48,436
except that it would be fun
to keep heads alive
651
00:28:48,478 --> 00:28:50,980
- in a basket.
- It's about conquering death.
652
00:28:51,022 --> 00:28:53,274
That's really what it's about.
653
00:28:54,734 --> 00:28:57,153
My father passed away
654
00:28:57,195 --> 00:28:59,405
when I was 14 years old,
655
00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:02,742
and I think that
that was the hook for me.
656
00:29:02,784 --> 00:29:04,494
People always say,
"If you could
657
00:29:04,535 --> 00:29:06,788
bring anybody back's life,
who would it be?"
658
00:29:06,829 --> 00:29:09,540
In my case, it's a...
it's a no-brainer:
659
00:29:09,582 --> 00:29:12,085
It would be my father.
660
00:29:13,753 --> 00:29:16,005
When you look at
most horror movies, I think,
661
00:29:16,047 --> 00:29:18,508
they're about
an impossible dream.
662
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:20,927
In 1985, "Re-Animator"
663
00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:23,346
and Dan O'Bannon's
"Return of the Living Dead"
664
00:29:23,388 --> 00:29:26,057
explored the comic frontiers
of the zombie genre.
665
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,018
Brains!
666
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:31,729
That same year,
the king of the zombies...
667
00:29:31,771 --> 00:29:35,233
George Romero... was crafting
a much darker film,
668
00:29:35,275 --> 00:29:37,318
what he hoped would be
the zombie film
669
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,571
to end all zombie films:
"Day of the Dead."
670
00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:42,615
"Day of the Dead"
was intended
671
00:29:42,657 --> 00:29:45,618
to be George Romero's
$10 million opus.
672
00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:51,666
- No...
- George Romero's
673
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:53,376
first two zombie films
674
00:29:53,418 --> 00:29:54,836
invented a new kind
of monster...
675
00:29:54,877 --> 00:29:56,546
And a new metaphor
676
00:29:56,587 --> 00:29:57,672
for life in America.
677
00:29:57,714 --> 00:30:00,300
One, two, three, go.
678
00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:04,137
By 1985, he was making
679
00:30:04,178 --> 00:30:06,764
what he hoped would be
his ultimate statement,
680
00:30:06,806 --> 00:30:08,933
a zombie film that combined
681
00:30:08,975 --> 00:30:11,019
incredibly realistic
special effects
682
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:12,270
with a powerful message.
683
00:30:15,273 --> 00:30:17,859
The message
of the Reagan era was...
684
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,154
no more war on poverty,
no more war on crime,
685
00:30:21,195 --> 00:30:24,449
no more war
on racial segregation.
686
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:25,742
Uh, screw it.
687
00:30:28,036 --> 00:30:29,412
We've lost.
There's more of them
688
00:30:29,454 --> 00:30:31,205
than there are of us,
so you need to retreat
689
00:30:31,247 --> 00:30:34,542
into your protective enclaves
and husband your resources.
690
00:30:34,584 --> 00:30:36,294
And that's exactly
what our characters do.
691
00:30:36,336 --> 00:30:40,006
- You must listen!
- Listen to this.
692
00:30:46,763 --> 00:30:48,806
In "Day of the Dead," we see
the military rule,
693
00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:51,100
- and that's even scarier.
- I'm running
694
00:30:51,142 --> 00:30:53,227
this monkey farm now,
Frankenstein,
695
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:55,772
and I want to know
what the
696
00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:58,107
you're doing with my time!
697
00:30:58,149 --> 00:31:00,026
A bunch of people
who are trying to do good
698
00:31:00,068 --> 00:31:01,652
and find a cure
are being ruled
699
00:31:01,694 --> 00:31:04,906
by this military presence
that is very aggressive
700
00:31:04,947 --> 00:31:08,242
and will do anything it takes
to preserve itself,
701
00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:09,994
so that's terrifying as well.
702
00:31:11,662 --> 00:31:13,307
The zombies are
in some ways, you know...
703
00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:15,375
the ones who are being
experimented upon...
704
00:31:15,416 --> 00:31:17,919
kind of more sympathetic
than many of the humans.
705
00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:21,589
Rhodes!
706
00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:24,384
In "Dawn of the Dead,"
we're losing.
707
00:31:24,425 --> 00:31:26,177
In "Day of the Dead,"
we've lost.
708
00:31:26,219 --> 00:31:28,971
Most good directors
that really have a grasp
709
00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:30,681
on the medium
can do horror.
710
00:31:30,723 --> 00:31:32,809
- It's not as delicate as humor.
- Mm.
711
00:31:32,850 --> 00:31:34,185
It's not as delicate.
712
00:31:34,227 --> 00:31:35,371
Uh, there are some tricks
of the trade
713
00:31:35,395 --> 00:31:37,146
that you can apply.
714
00:31:37,188 --> 00:31:39,065
Like his other zombie films,
715
00:31:39,107 --> 00:31:41,984
"Day of the Dead" was shot
in Romero's hometown
716
00:31:42,026 --> 00:31:44,278
of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
717
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,614
far outside
of the Hollywood system.
718
00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:49,117
But that's what made...
719
00:31:49,158 --> 00:31:51,202
George Romero...
720
00:31:51,244 --> 00:31:52,912
such a terrific filmmaker,
721
00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:56,332
was that he was a legit,
regional filmmaker,
722
00:31:56,374 --> 00:31:58,960
and what made it special
723
00:31:59,001 --> 00:32:01,546
was the slightly
homemade quality
724
00:32:01,587 --> 00:32:03,339
to the movies.
725
00:32:03,381 --> 00:32:06,426
Everywhere that he would go
in Pittsburgh,
726
00:32:06,467 --> 00:32:08,302
you knew somebody
that was a zombie.
727
00:32:08,344 --> 00:32:10,263
You knew somebody
that was involved
728
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:12,056
with George Romero's movies,
729
00:32:12,098 --> 00:32:13,808
and that's how I got
into the business.
730
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:16,352
Because when "Day of the Dead"
came along,
731
00:32:16,394 --> 00:32:18,813
I had befriended George
732
00:32:18,855 --> 00:32:20,791
because of some mutual
family friends, and he's like,
733
00:32:20,815 --> 00:32:22,126
"Hey, I'm doing a sequel
to 'Dawn of the Dead.'
734
00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:23,818
Do you want a job?"
I'm like...
735
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:25,963
"I was gonna be a doctor,
but this sounds way better."
736
00:32:29,157 --> 00:32:31,534
And this is where
George Romero
737
00:32:31,576 --> 00:32:34,412
and Tom Savini...
arguably their creative peaks
738
00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:37,457
at the same time,
working together.
739
00:32:37,498 --> 00:32:39,500
Special effects artists
like Rick Baker
740
00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:42,253
and Tom Savini were heralded
741
00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:44,464
as, like, kings and icons
of the horror film
742
00:32:44,505 --> 00:32:45,983
because they were creating
special effects
743
00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:47,508
that were out of this world.
744
00:32:47,550 --> 00:32:49,844
Like something
we'd never seen before.
745
00:32:49,886 --> 00:32:52,221
Vietnam was a lesson
in anatomy for me.
746
00:32:52,263 --> 00:32:54,182
I was a combat photographer.
747
00:32:54,223 --> 00:32:55,892
I saw horrible stuff.
748
00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:57,578
In fact, I'm the only
make-up artist, I think,
749
00:32:57,602 --> 00:32:59,770
that has seen the real stuff.
750
00:32:59,812 --> 00:33:01,439
In a movie,
751
00:33:01,481 --> 00:33:04,650
when someone dies
they close their mouth
752
00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,086
and they wanna look pretty
for the camera...
753
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,697
And that just takes me
right out of it,
754
00:33:09,739 --> 00:33:11,800
because that actor doesn't
know how to portray death,
755
00:33:11,824 --> 00:33:14,368
or the director doesn't know
to tell them...
756
00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:16,704
the mouth always goes slack.
757
00:33:18,915 --> 00:33:21,000
My masterpiece
is "Day of the Dead."
758
00:33:25,796 --> 00:33:28,216
There a lot of cool stuff
in, uh... in "Day of the Dead."
759
00:33:29,592 --> 00:33:31,135
We cut the guy's arm off,
you know.
760
00:33:31,177 --> 00:33:32,929
I dug a hole under the guy
761
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:34,805
so his real arm goes
into the hole.
762
00:33:37,016 --> 00:33:38,768
And tearing Taso's head off...
763
00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:43,189
And it's actually
Greg Nicotero's fingers
764
00:33:43,231 --> 00:33:45,191
in the eyeballs
of the fake head,
765
00:33:45,233 --> 00:33:46,609
and we're running cables down
766
00:33:46,651 --> 00:33:48,110
to make the head work,
you know,
767
00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:49,862
so it was effects guys
768
00:33:49,904 --> 00:33:52,323
that were the featured zombies
tearing the head off.
769
00:33:52,365 --> 00:33:53,824
My head comes back
770
00:33:53,866 --> 00:33:55,993
as a zombie head
in "Day of the Dead."
771
00:33:56,035 --> 00:33:58,412
You gotta think about the way
that Tom designed things,
772
00:33:58,454 --> 00:33:59,681
because he approached
everything
773
00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:01,249
like it was a magic trick.
774
00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:03,018
You know, the idea
that you're... you're taking
775
00:34:03,042 --> 00:34:06,045
a special effect
and you're deconstructing it
776
00:34:06,087 --> 00:34:09,090
to the point where it's gotta
be a magic trick that's gonna
777
00:34:09,131 --> 00:34:11,050
- fool the audience.
- The disembowelments
778
00:34:11,092 --> 00:34:12,593
in "Day of the Dead"
are unmatched.
779
00:34:14,762 --> 00:34:16,847
Without a doubt,
and that's why you get into...
780
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:19,892
people who... who watch movies
and get... get offended
781
00:34:19,934 --> 00:34:21,644
by the... the gore,
and you're like,
782
00:34:21,686 --> 00:34:23,896
"Well, you know
it's corn syrup..."
783
00:34:23,938 --> 00:34:25,457
- It's a real presentation.
- Red powered...
784
00:34:25,481 --> 00:34:26,899
red powdered food coloring.
785
00:34:26,941 --> 00:34:28,651
Miller!
786
00:34:28,693 --> 00:34:30,570
Miller!
787
00:34:30,611 --> 00:34:33,990
The special makeup effects
pioneered by Tom Savini
788
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:35,992
and Greg Nicotero
on "Day of the Dead"...
789
00:34:36,033 --> 00:34:37,618
Led directly
790
00:34:37,660 --> 00:34:39,495
to the amazing work
we see today
791
00:34:39,537 --> 00:34:41,956
on "The Walking Dead."
792
00:34:41,998 --> 00:34:44,542
The kind of household
I grew up in was, you know,
793
00:34:44,584 --> 00:34:46,168
"Oh, you can't go see
'Day of the Dead.'
794
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:47,712
That's too... that's too much."
795
00:34:47,753 --> 00:34:50,047
But now you see, uh,
796
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:53,217
the level of gore that we saw
in George Romero's, uh,
797
00:34:53,259 --> 00:34:56,012
"Day of the Dead"
on "Walking Dead" every week,
798
00:34:56,053 --> 00:34:57,555
which is insane to me.
799
00:35:09,358 --> 00:35:11,152
Go to the left!
800
00:35:12,737 --> 00:35:14,739
In the wake
of a zombie apocalypse,
801
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:16,532
a small band of survivors
802
00:35:16,574 --> 00:35:19,160
look for a safe place to live.
803
00:35:19,201 --> 00:35:21,829
The biggest threat they face
aren't zombies,
804
00:35:21,871 --> 00:35:24,040
but other people.
805
00:35:24,081 --> 00:35:26,917
This is the premise
of "The Walking Dead,"
806
00:35:26,959 --> 00:35:29,879
the TV series that brought
realistic horror
807
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,048
to the small screen.
808
00:35:36,427 --> 00:35:38,280
People used to come to me
and say, "Can you make us
809
00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:40,014
a violent TV series?"
810
00:35:40,056 --> 00:35:41,783
And I'd say, "Well,
what makes horror work is you...
811
00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,535
"is you have the threat
of killing your characters,
812
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,103
"and what TV... what makes TV
work is you want to see
813
00:35:46,145 --> 00:35:47,813
- those characters every week..."
- Right.
814
00:35:47,855 --> 00:35:49,458
So you can't have them
almost die, and I could never
815
00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:50,667
- do the violence I wanted to do.
- Yeah, yeah.
816
00:35:50,691 --> 00:35:52,151
- Cut to...
- Here we are.
817
00:35:52,193 --> 00:35:53,944
Greg Nicotero
and "The Walking Dead."
818
00:35:58,115 --> 00:35:59,909
"The Walking Dead" for sure
819
00:35:59,950 --> 00:36:03,079
is the next
cultural milestone
820
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,265
really since "Dawn of the Dead"
and "Night of the Living Dead."
821
00:36:05,289 --> 00:36:07,208
And, you know,
that's really been you.
822
00:36:08,918 --> 00:36:11,837
"Walking Dead"
is basically a Western with...
823
00:36:11,879 --> 00:36:13,839
with the zombie, uh,
apocalypse
824
00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:15,466
set as the backdrop.
825
00:36:15,508 --> 00:36:18,010
If "The Walking Dead"
had to be told
826
00:36:18,052 --> 00:36:20,680
in a 2½ hour time slot,
you'd never be able to do it.
827
00:36:20,721 --> 00:36:22,199
You wouldn't care
about the characters.
828
00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:23,700
You wouldn't really know
who Daryl is...
829
00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:25,226
- Yeah.
- Who... who Rick is.
830
00:36:25,267 --> 00:36:27,186
I'm sorry
this happened to you.
831
00:36:29,105 --> 00:36:31,857
The plight of the survivors
is a dark reflection
832
00:36:31,899 --> 00:36:34,318
of life in America today.
833
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,613
The mortgage crisis of 2008
resulted in more than
834
00:36:37,655 --> 00:36:39,657
3 million people
losing their homes.
835
00:36:39,699 --> 00:36:41,701
Problems with
the housing market...
836
00:36:41,742 --> 00:36:44,412
Since then,
rising housing prices
837
00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:46,497
in the major cities
have forced more people
838
00:36:46,539 --> 00:36:49,083
- to live on the street.
- Global meltdown.
839
00:36:49,125 --> 00:36:51,502
There's a sense
that civilization is fragile.
840
00:36:51,544 --> 00:36:53,170
That any day now,
841
00:36:53,212 --> 00:36:56,298
we could be like Rick,
Daryl, and Carol,
842
00:36:56,340 --> 00:36:57,883
always moving,
843
00:36:57,925 --> 00:37:00,344
surrounded by threats
on every side.
844
00:37:03,264 --> 00:37:04,950
That's what I always loved...
when "Walking Dead" came out,
845
00:37:04,974 --> 00:37:06,910
I would say to people, like,
"If the zombie apocalypse
846
00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:08,686
"were real,
this is the closest thing
847
00:37:08,728 --> 00:37:11,689
"that I've seen to what
that would probably feel like
848
00:37:11,731 --> 00:37:13,315
and be like."
849
00:37:13,357 --> 00:37:16,068
When I first read
that script, I didn't...
850
00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:18,195
you know, I didn't read it
as a zombie thing.
851
00:37:18,237 --> 00:37:20,030
I read it as this guy
lost his family,
852
00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:21,675
and he woke up, and he didn't
know where he was.
853
00:37:21,699 --> 00:37:23,491
And he was gonna do anything
854
00:37:23,492 --> 00:37:25,120
to go find his family,
and that's...
855
00:37:25,161 --> 00:37:27,455
that stuck out on the page
way more than a zombie
856
00:37:27,496 --> 00:37:28,998
here and there, you know?
857
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,499
And everybody
played it like that.
858
00:37:32,251 --> 00:37:34,295
You have to play everything
as real as possible.
859
00:37:36,255 --> 00:37:37,858
There's so many examples
on that show where, like...
860
00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:39,109
You're like, "Oh, my God,
is this gonna work?"
861
00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:40,634
- And the actors...
- No, no, no!
862
00:37:40,676 --> 00:37:42,678
Just pulled it out
and made it perfect.
863
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,014
No!
864
00:37:45,055 --> 00:37:47,683
She was playing with me!
865
00:37:47,725 --> 00:37:50,311
- She wanted a friend!
- She wanted to kill you!
866
00:37:50,352 --> 00:37:52,480
I was gonna lead her away!
867
00:37:52,521 --> 00:37:54,249
- You could have died.
- It's the same thing!
868
00:37:54,273 --> 00:37:56,734
You killed her!
You killed her!
869
00:37:56,776 --> 00:37:58,044
There's a reason
there wasn't really
870
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:00,654
a zombie TV show before.
871
00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:03,908
- Ugh...
- Effects need
872
00:38:03,949 --> 00:38:05,659
to be really good
on a television show
873
00:38:05,701 --> 00:38:08,287
so that people don't fall out
of the reality
874
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:10,664
that you're trying to sell.
875
00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:12,958
The best zombies, I think,
are what Greg is doing
876
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,960
in "The Walking Dead."
The best zombies today.
877
00:38:15,002 --> 00:38:16,837
Uh, and there's a lot
of CGI there, you know,
878
00:38:16,879 --> 00:38:19,924
and necessary,
because the zombies
879
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,759
have been around for so long,
880
00:38:21,801 --> 00:38:25,054
now they're decaying
and rotting, you know?
881
00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:26,931
Just a little more.
882
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:28,891
There's that one famous...
883
00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:30,976
- the "well walker..."
- Stop!
884
00:38:31,018 --> 00:38:32,520
- Come on!
- Where he's just
885
00:38:32,561 --> 00:38:34,188
so waterlogged and bloated
886
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:36,315
that he just sort of, like,
comes apart.
887
00:38:43,948 --> 00:38:45,658
That's one
of the beautiful things
888
00:38:45,699 --> 00:38:48,869
that Greg does, is his team...
889
00:38:48,911 --> 00:38:51,163
you can see the lost person
890
00:38:51,205 --> 00:38:52,832
behind the monster, you know?
891
00:38:52,873 --> 00:38:54,750
That's... that's when
they become scary.
892
00:38:54,792 --> 00:38:57,586
I never get sick of it,
honestly.
893
00:38:57,628 --> 00:38:59,189
They keep... they keep
reinventing the wheel
894
00:38:59,213 --> 00:39:01,423
with the zombies, it's nuts.
895
00:39:03,884 --> 00:39:06,846
Obviously the... the irony is,
who are the walking dead?
896
00:39:06,887 --> 00:39:08,973
Is it the actual zombies
or is the people?
897
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:10,575
- Right, right.
- Uh, what are they willing
898
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:12,226
to do to each other to survive?
899
00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:13,537
- And that's...
- Yeah, at what point
900
00:39:13,561 --> 00:39:15,437
- do you lose your humanity?
- Right.
901
00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:17,982
"Walking Dead" being on
for so long surprises me,
902
00:39:18,023 --> 00:39:21,277
'cause y'all should be dead
by now, man.
903
00:39:23,362 --> 00:39:25,239
You know,
because it doesn't make sense.
904
00:39:25,281 --> 00:39:27,283
To me.
905
00:39:29,201 --> 00:39:31,871
Doesn't it feel like zombies
are cresting now, too?
906
00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:34,206
Yeah, right now it does
seem like we're in the middle
907
00:39:34,248 --> 00:39:36,250
of a zombie apocalypse.
908
00:39:39,003 --> 00:39:40,421
Yeah.
909
00:39:40,462 --> 00:39:42,923
The dumbing down of society.
910
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:47,928
We're all zombies.
911
00:39:51,098 --> 00:39:52,892
Zombies are representative
912
00:39:52,933 --> 00:39:54,894
of... of Alzheimer's...
913
00:39:54,935 --> 00:39:56,478
a just terrifying disease.
914
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,107
And zombies
are representatives of cancer.
915
00:40:00,149 --> 00:40:02,026
To me, what's happened
with the zombie
916
00:40:02,067 --> 00:40:04,320
is now they're representatives
of anarchy
917
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:06,405
and the collapse
of government.
918
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:08,407
The collapse of order.
919
00:40:10,367 --> 00:40:13,454
Zombies are really sort of
a wonderful catch-all metaphor
920
00:40:13,495 --> 00:40:15,372
because they can mean
absolutely anything.
921
00:40:15,414 --> 00:40:17,082
Zombies in 1968
922
00:40:17,124 --> 00:40:19,251
are the breakdown
of American society.
923
00:40:20,753 --> 00:40:23,380
In 2017
with "The Walking Dead..."
924
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:29,929
uh, who knows
what it represents.
925
00:40:35,517 --> 00:40:38,604
One take-away could be
that everything's hopeless...
926
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:44,777
Another take-away could be
that humans
927
00:40:44,818 --> 00:40:48,322
will always persevere
even when...
928
00:40:48,364 --> 00:40:50,240
it seems like there's
no reason to
929
00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:51,909
or that it's impossible to.
930
00:40:55,037 --> 00:40:56,538
Yeah, zombies will never die.
931
00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:58,082
No pun intended.
932
00:41:00,709 --> 00:41:03,337
It's so interesting,
the resurgence of zombies,
933
00:41:03,379 --> 00:41:05,714
and the fact that they kind of
won't ever go away.
934
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:09,593
We'll always be
telling stories.
935
00:41:09,635 --> 00:41:11,595
I think we'll...
we're never gonna lose
936
00:41:11,637 --> 00:41:13,305
our fascination with them.
937
00:41:13,347 --> 00:41:15,015
Half a century ago,
938
00:41:15,057 --> 00:41:17,685
George Romero created
the modern zombie...
939
00:41:17,726 --> 00:41:20,771
America's great contribution
to monster horror.
940
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:25,693
Now, zombie movies are
an international phenomenon.
941
00:41:27,361 --> 00:41:29,738
The zombie plague
has infected the world.
942
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:31,323
As relentless
943
00:41:31,365 --> 00:41:33,158
and unstoppable
944
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,452
as the flesh-eating undead.
945
00:41:42,418 --> 00:41:45,212
We wake them
and we got it all!
70978
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