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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,336 --> 00:00:04,296 SHATNER: Driven by their darkest urges, 2 00:00:04,421 --> 00:00:09,468 sadistic predators stalk their victims 3 00:00:09,593 --> 00:00:14,556 in an effort to satisfy their need to kill. 4 00:00:17,518 --> 00:00:21,063 The horrible deeds done by serial killers 5 00:00:21,188 --> 00:00:22,898 give us a glimpse into the minds 6 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:27,027 of humanity's most disturbed individuals. 7 00:00:27,152 --> 00:00:31,823 But what is it that separates so‐called normal people 8 00:00:31,907 --> 00:00:35,619 from those who have an insatiable desire 9 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:37,621 to take a life? 10 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:39,748 (gasps) 11 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:42,501 That is what we'll try and find out. 12 00:00:45,837 --> 00:00:47,714 â™Ș â™Ș 13 00:01:04,731 --> 00:01:07,609 Detectives with cadaver dogs 14 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:12,197 discover the badly decomposed remains of several women. 15 00:01:12,364 --> 00:01:15,951 They are found stuffed inside industrial barrels, 16 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:20,289 on a farm belonging to John Edward Robinson. 17 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:26,461 In 1993, during the early days of the Internet, 18 00:01:26,587 --> 00:01:29,548 Robinson, under the alias "Slavemaster," 19 00:01:29,673 --> 00:01:34,678 prowled chat rooms in search of potential victims. 20 00:01:34,845 --> 00:01:37,097 He then lured them to his property. 21 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:40,100 As a gruesome consequence for his crimes, 22 00:01:40,183 --> 00:01:44,104 John Edward Robinson received the dubious distinction 23 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:49,818 of being the Internet's first convicted serial killer. 24 00:01:49,943 --> 00:01:53,572 The Internet has really opened up, uh, the opportunities 25 00:01:53,697 --> 00:01:57,284 for serial killers to find, um, victims more easily. 26 00:01:58,660 --> 00:02:00,621 We've had serial killers who have actually 27 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:02,039 a‐attracted victims online 28 00:02:02,205 --> 00:02:03,957 to their homes, where they've killed them. 29 00:02:04,082 --> 00:02:05,500 Across state lines. 30 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:07,961 They've offered work. They've offered sex. 31 00:02:08,086 --> 00:02:09,796 "Come to my home and I'll give you money." 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,673 You know, one has to be very careful on the Internet, 33 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,133 'cause you can be what‐‐ whoever you want to be. 34 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:15,844 And so, serial killers do find victims that way. 35 00:02:21,058 --> 00:02:23,435 ‐(barks) ‐While searching for a missing person 36 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,812 just off Ocean Parkway, in Suffolk County, 37 00:02:25,896 --> 00:02:28,106 a police officer and his dog discover 38 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:31,026 the skeletal remains of a dead woman. 39 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:35,155 Police later find that ten more mutilated bodies 40 00:02:35,238 --> 00:02:37,699 have been disposed of in this area, 41 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:42,037 and all in a similar fashion. 42 00:02:42,204 --> 00:02:44,289 JOE DOMANICK: The Suffolk County police found out 43 00:02:44,373 --> 00:02:46,124 that they had a serial killer in their midst 44 00:02:46,208 --> 00:02:50,128 when they started finding bodies dumped. 45 00:02:50,253 --> 00:02:52,923 And really, the distinguishing thing 46 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:55,092 that we know about these killings 47 00:02:55,175 --> 00:02:57,094 is that the police found out 48 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:58,845 that many of them were prostitutes. 49 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:06,144 SHATNER: As news of these shocking discoveries make headlines, 50 00:03:06,228 --> 00:03:08,146 the unknown murderer becomes known as 51 00:03:08,230 --> 00:03:11,191 the Long Island serial killer. 52 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:14,569 And once the bodies are identified, 53 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:18,240 another eerie coincidence is discovered. 54 00:03:18,365 --> 00:03:21,785 Several of the victims had offered escort services 55 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,621 on the Internet site Craigslist. 56 00:03:24,746 --> 00:03:26,665 HICKEY: Craigslist is another mask. 57 00:03:26,790 --> 00:03:30,252 It's another way to use social media to find victims. 58 00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:33,130 And, uh, it's another tool in their repertoire. 59 00:03:33,255 --> 00:03:36,800 So, in some ways, serial killers today 60 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:39,136 are becoming more sophisticated. 61 00:03:39,219 --> 00:03:42,931 Psychopaths feel a sense of power and control 62 00:03:43,056 --> 00:03:44,182 because they have so many different tools 63 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:47,227 that they can use to create distractions 64 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:49,146 and to create ruses. 65 00:03:50,147 --> 00:03:51,815 Narcissism and control 66 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:54,484 are two of the character traits for serial killers. 67 00:03:54,609 --> 00:03:58,238 Certainly that fits for serial killers 68 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:00,782 who prey on women on the margins. 69 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:05,203 SHATNER: Even though the Suffolk County police have offered 70 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:08,623 a $25,000 reward for information 71 00:04:08,707 --> 00:04:11,752 leading to an arrest in the Long Island murders‐‐ 72 00:04:11,835 --> 00:04:14,212 the largest offered in the county's history‐‐ 73 00:04:14,337 --> 00:04:18,800 to this day, the killer remains at large. 74 00:04:20,844 --> 00:04:24,639 But what compels someone like the Long Island serial killer 75 00:04:24,765 --> 00:04:29,644 or John Edward Robinson to commit cold‐blooded murder 76 00:04:29,811 --> 00:04:31,813 again and again? 77 00:04:31,980 --> 00:04:37,444 What makes an otherwise normal human being a serial killer? 78 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,032 A serial killer is defined as someone who kills 79 00:04:42,157 --> 00:04:43,784 three or more people 80 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:47,287 with an emotional cooling‐off period in between. 81 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:50,832 Whereas a mass murderer 82 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:54,169 will come in and kill three people at the same place. 83 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:57,130 And a spree killer, he will kill, 84 00:04:57,255 --> 00:04:59,049 move onto the next, kill again, 85 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:02,719 move onto the next, but there's no emotional cooling‐off period. 86 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:04,763 A serial killer, it's like 87 00:05:04,846 --> 00:05:07,641 he or she gets a shot of emotional heroin. 88 00:05:07,808 --> 00:05:12,729 SHATNER: The term "serial killer" was first coined in the mid‐1970s 89 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:17,359 by former FBI psychological profiler Robert Ressler. 90 00:05:17,526 --> 00:05:20,904 He picked the word "serial" because police described 91 00:05:21,029 --> 00:05:25,784 these types of murders as being crimes in a series. 92 00:05:27,369 --> 00:05:29,412 Serial killers are repetitive 93 00:05:29,538 --> 00:05:31,873 because there are things that drive them. 94 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,709 There's a fantasy involved with‐with the killing. 95 00:05:34,835 --> 00:05:37,003 This is especially true if we're talking about 96 00:05:37,170 --> 00:05:39,840 sexual predators who are serial killers. 97 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:43,218 JUDY HO: They just don't seem to have their emotions stimulated 98 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:45,846 the way that a normal person's brain would. 99 00:05:45,971 --> 00:05:47,848 They just think about what's gonna feel good right now, 100 00:05:47,973 --> 00:05:50,976 and they don't routinely take other people's feelings 101 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:52,644 into consideration, 102 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:55,021 and engaging in all those analytical consequences 103 00:05:55,146 --> 00:05:56,815 and functions that people think about. 104 00:05:56,982 --> 00:06:01,778 HARVEY ROSENSTOCK: You don't have any kind of conscience at all, 105 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:03,905 whether it's one murder or two murders or three murders. 106 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:07,075 The person who is committing a crime and another crime 107 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,828 and another crime, the only deterrent, 108 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:14,666 the only place where he has some qualms, some regrets, 109 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:16,877 is if, in fact, he does get caught. 110 00:06:17,002 --> 00:06:21,298 VAN ZANDT: The FBI has said there's maybe 50 serial killers 111 00:06:21,423 --> 00:06:24,384 operating in the United States at any one time. 112 00:06:24,509 --> 00:06:27,137 Do we have a lock on who they are? Well, no. 113 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:30,849 They would be under arrest if we did. 114 00:06:30,974 --> 00:06:32,183 We don't know who they are. 115 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:34,811 We can't identify who they are. 116 00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:37,772 We don't know that they're a serial killer 117 00:06:37,856 --> 00:06:41,860 until we find the victims that they've killed. 118 00:06:41,985 --> 00:06:45,488 We also know that when we find them, the big secret 119 00:06:45,614 --> 00:06:51,119 is that we will never be able to rehabilitate them. 120 00:06:51,202 --> 00:06:54,372 SHATNER: If serial killers are so difficult to profile, 121 00:06:54,539 --> 00:06:58,793 and nearly impossible to detect, 122 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,505 is there any way we can ever feel safe? 123 00:07:02,631 --> 00:07:05,133 Perhaps the answers can be found by examining the case 124 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:09,304 of America's very first serial killer, 125 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:13,433 and the sadistic lair that he called 126 00:07:13,516 --> 00:07:15,477 The Murder Castle. 127 00:07:23,026 --> 00:07:26,821 An estimated 27 million people from all over the world flock 128 00:07:26,947 --> 00:07:29,950 to the World's Columbian Exposition, 129 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:34,329 otherwise known as the Chicago World's Fair. 130 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:37,499 It is so named in honor of the 400th anniversary 131 00:07:37,624 --> 00:07:41,127 of Christopher Columbus's landing in the New World. 132 00:07:41,211 --> 00:07:44,756 Having risen from the ashes of the Great Chicago Fire, 133 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:48,093 the city now shines brighter than ever, 134 00:07:48,176 --> 00:07:49,761 illuminating the fairgrounds 135 00:07:49,886 --> 00:07:53,515 with nearly 100,000 electric lamps. 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,934 ‐But... ‐(footsteps echoing) 137 00:07:56,059 --> 00:08:00,188 lurking in the shadows is a sadistic killer... 138 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:05,485 ...Herman Webster Mudgett, 139 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:09,656 better known by his alias H. H. Holmes. 140 00:08:11,992 --> 00:08:14,327 MORRISON: H. H. Holmes was extremely clever. 141 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,329 He was a pharmacist, actually. 142 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:20,500 His home was set up for single women 143 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:24,587 who came to the city to make their way, to get involved, 144 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:29,217 to become part of this wonderful exposition that was going on. 145 00:08:29,342 --> 00:08:34,723 So H. H. Holmes had access to many, many single women... 146 00:08:36,433 --> 00:08:37,934 ...and he murdered them. 147 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:42,731 HICKEY: Holmes had spent a great deal of time 148 00:08:42,856 --> 00:08:45,275 in preparation for his murders. 149 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,569 It wasn't like it was on impulse. 150 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:50,113 There was a lot of control here. 151 00:08:50,196 --> 00:08:52,032 I think that he enjoyed 152 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:54,909 the, uh, power he had over people in general. 153 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:57,454 And the World's Fair really played out well for him. 154 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:59,831 SHATNER: Holmes became rich 155 00:08:59,998 --> 00:09:03,626 as a cunning and charismatic con artist. 156 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:06,171 He swindled several people out of their fortunes, 157 00:09:06,296 --> 00:09:09,507 and used the proceeds to build a one‐of‐a‐kind mansion 158 00:09:09,632 --> 00:09:12,677 which allowed him to pursue his darkest desires. 159 00:09:15,180 --> 00:09:18,975 The macabre edifice would eventually become known 160 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:22,979 as Holmes's Murder Castle. 161 00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:28,568 H.H. Holmes built this phenomenally complex castle 162 00:09:28,693 --> 00:09:32,238 with enough rooms that he could rent rooms to people 163 00:09:32,363 --> 00:09:35,909 who came in for the exposition, mostly single women, 164 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:38,995 and he would go out and advertise this, 165 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,372 bring people in, put them in these rooms 166 00:09:41,539 --> 00:09:44,000 where they felt they were safe. 167 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:48,463 It was almost like the spider to the fly. 168 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:51,466 It was like, "Come and see my mansion, 169 00:09:51,633 --> 00:09:53,927 an elaborate mansion." 170 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:56,554 He had all kinds of odd staircases 171 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,557 ‐and tunnels and chutes and things. ‐(woman screams) 172 00:09:59,682 --> 00:10:03,019 So then he would gas these victims 173 00:10:03,186 --> 00:10:06,064 and then send them down the chute into the basement. 174 00:10:07,690 --> 00:10:10,944 And then torture them, or if they were already dead, 175 00:10:11,069 --> 00:10:14,697 then he could take‐take apart the bodies and‐‐ which he did. 176 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:18,618 SHATNER: On November 17, 1894, 177 00:10:18,701 --> 00:10:21,287 the man known as America's first serial killer 178 00:10:21,371 --> 00:10:23,289 was finally arrested, 179 00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:26,501 but only then did investigators begin to learn the full extent 180 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:30,505 of H. H. Holmes's murderous behavior. 181 00:10:30,672 --> 00:10:34,342 After confessing to the murders of 27 young women, 182 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:38,429 on May 7, 1896, Holmes, 183 00:10:38,513 --> 00:10:42,684 now referred to by the press as "the Devil in the White City" 184 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:45,812 was hanged by the neck until dead. 185 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:53,111 But what led an otherwise normal and unassuming man 186 00:10:53,194 --> 00:10:55,655 to not only commit murders but to construct 187 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:58,825 such an elaborate house of horror? 188 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:04,164 Perhaps the answer can be found by exploring the lair 189 00:11:04,330 --> 00:11:07,000 of yet another serial killer, 190 00:11:07,125 --> 00:11:10,253 one created almost a century later. 191 00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:26,269 SHATNER: Police officers responding to a complaint 192 00:11:26,394 --> 00:11:30,315 arrive at the apartment of a man by the name of Jeffrey Dahmer, 193 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,610 apartment number 213. 194 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:37,906 But what happens next defies explanation. 195 00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:41,451 HICKEY: When the police arrived at his apartment, 196 00:11:41,576 --> 00:11:43,995 they went toward his bedroom, and when they opened the door, 197 00:11:44,078 --> 00:11:46,331 his bedroom was full of body parts. 198 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:51,044 Torsos and heads here and there. 199 00:11:52,420 --> 00:11:55,340 SHATNER: The police made even more shocking discoveries: 200 00:11:55,465 --> 00:11:57,675 a 57‐gallon vat of acid, 201 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,595 photos of grotesquely mangled bodies, 202 00:12:00,678 --> 00:12:02,639 partially eaten organs, 203 00:12:02,764 --> 00:12:06,392 and inside the refrigerator, a human head. 204 00:12:06,517 --> 00:12:10,563 In all, the apartment contained the remains of 11 human victims, 205 00:12:10,688 --> 00:12:14,567 men and boys who police later determined had been murdered, 206 00:12:14,692 --> 00:12:17,779 dismembered and even eaten 207 00:12:17,862 --> 00:12:20,698 by the man who soon became known as 208 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:24,160 the "Milwaukee Monster." 209 00:12:24,244 --> 00:12:26,329 Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer 210 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:31,125 who usually chose his victims, uh, in young men, 211 00:12:31,251 --> 00:12:33,378 usually around their teenage years. 212 00:12:33,503 --> 00:12:38,716 He would usually find a way with drugs or alcohol and sex 213 00:12:38,841 --> 00:12:42,637 to compel victims to come back to his apartment, 214 00:12:42,804 --> 00:12:44,681 where he would murder them. 215 00:12:44,806 --> 00:12:46,307 Many times, he'd cut up the bodies. 216 00:12:46,432 --> 00:12:48,476 He would save pieces of the body in his freezer 217 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:51,020 and his refrigerator. 218 00:12:51,145 --> 00:12:53,147 HICKEY: The stench of a decomposing body 219 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:55,692 is absolutely overwhelming, and yet, 220 00:12:55,817 --> 00:12:57,527 Dahmer became acclimated to it. 221 00:12:57,652 --> 00:13:00,113 His fantasy was‐was 222 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:01,864 to make this table, which he, which he built, 223 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:03,992 and he took the heads of some of his victims 224 00:13:04,117 --> 00:13:06,160 and placed them on the desk, 225 00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:08,246 where he could sit and be surrounded 226 00:13:08,371 --> 00:13:11,374 by all of these skulls of people that he had eaten. 227 00:13:11,541 --> 00:13:13,584 These were his friends; these were people he loved 228 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:15,336 in his own fantasy world. 229 00:13:15,503 --> 00:13:18,506 JUDGE: Mr. Dahmer, you're charged with four counts 230 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:20,216 of first‐degree intentional homicide. 231 00:13:20,341 --> 00:13:23,553 ‐Do you understand that? ‐I understand, Your Honor. 232 00:13:23,678 --> 00:13:27,640 SHATNER: Like H. H. Holmes before him, Jeffrey Dahmer was not content 233 00:13:27,765 --> 00:13:29,600 with the mere taking of human lives. 234 00:13:29,684 --> 00:13:30,852 Instead, he sought to construct 235 00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:33,479 the equivalent of a virtual world‐‐ 236 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:38,318 an alternate reality dedicated to his deviant fixations. 237 00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:43,406 But what causes an otherwise average and unremarkable man 238 00:13:43,531 --> 00:13:47,035 like Jeffrey Dahmer to become a bloodthirsty serial killer? 239 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:50,496 One person who believes he may have 240 00:13:50,621 --> 00:13:52,832 at least a few of the answers 241 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:57,295 is graphic novelist and former Dahmer classmate 242 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:58,963 John Backderf. 243 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:00,465 In 2012, 244 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:04,677 nearly two decades after Dahmer was beaten to death in prison, 245 00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:07,847 Backderf published My Friend Dahmer, 246 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:12,185 a series of illustrated stories that chronicle 247 00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:15,146 the future serial killer's high school years. 248 00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:17,774 BACKDERF: We went to junior high and high school together, 249 00:14:17,899 --> 00:14:22,653 and were friends from age 12 to when we graduated. 250 00:14:22,820 --> 00:14:24,405 He was always a pretty strange dude, 251 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:27,492 kind of an oddball, and he got darker and darker 252 00:14:27,617 --> 00:14:31,245 as our time together went on. 253 00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:33,289 SHATNER: In his depictions of Dahmer, 254 00:14:33,373 --> 00:14:36,209 Backderf sought to reveal the warning signs that were present 255 00:14:36,334 --> 00:14:39,462 in the young, troubled man's demeanor. 256 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:42,465 BACKDERF: When I draw Dahmer, 257 00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:45,676 I try to capture the blank expression, the dead eyes. 258 00:14:45,802 --> 00:14:49,847 I purposely make him look uncomfortable in his own body, 259 00:14:49,972 --> 00:14:51,808 because that's how I remember him. 260 00:14:51,933 --> 00:14:53,851 He was kind of, like, robotic, 261 00:14:54,018 --> 00:14:59,148 like he didn't physically fit in with the rest of humanity, 262 00:14:59,232 --> 00:15:01,609 which, of course, he didn't. 263 00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:03,820 Jeff was very much a blank canvas. 264 00:15:03,945 --> 00:15:05,947 You never knew what was going on 265 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:07,949 behind this blank wall of a face. 266 00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:10,410 And of course, that's something that later became 267 00:15:10,535 --> 00:15:11,869 a very lethal trait, 268 00:15:11,994 --> 00:15:14,747 because his victims had no idea what was coming. 269 00:15:14,872 --> 00:15:17,959 Part of Dahmer's schoolyard legend 270 00:15:18,084 --> 00:15:20,920 was clubhouse, where he kept roadkill 271 00:15:21,045 --> 00:15:23,381 that he found around the neighborhood, small animals. 272 00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:25,341 And he would keep them in pickle jars. 273 00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:27,593 He would actually dissect these roadkill. 274 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:31,389 SHATNER: Was Dahmer's so‐called clubhouse 275 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:34,892 a chilling precursor to apartment number 213, 276 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:36,853 the place where his adolescent fascination 277 00:15:36,978 --> 00:15:39,313 with animal carcasses escalated 278 00:15:39,439 --> 00:15:43,818 into an uncontrollable obsession of dismemberment, 279 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:48,656 necrophilia and, most notoriously, cannibalism? 280 00:15:48,823 --> 00:15:50,783 We try to make sense 281 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:53,619 of something that seems so primitive 282 00:15:53,703 --> 00:15:56,247 and so out of the ordinary. 283 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:58,875 A human being eating another human being? 284 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:00,918 But this is not a human being, 285 00:16:01,043 --> 00:16:04,422 and he doesn't see his victim as a human being. 286 00:16:04,505 --> 00:16:06,257 It's just a piece of meat. 287 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:07,967 BACKDERF: I never felt like I knew Jeff. 288 00:16:08,134 --> 00:16:09,927 I don't think anyone knew him. 289 00:16:10,011 --> 00:16:13,890 I never dreamed that he would commit crimes like this. 290 00:16:15,641 --> 00:16:17,810 How is it that we're so unaware 291 00:16:17,894 --> 00:16:20,146 of the monsters that walk among us? 292 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:23,316 SHATNER: Does Jeffrey Dahmer's childhood 293 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,652 suggest that serial killers develop their dark impulses 294 00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:28,404 early in life? 295 00:16:28,529 --> 00:16:30,781 And if so, then why aren't we able to spot them 296 00:16:30,865 --> 00:16:32,950 before it's too late? 297 00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:45,546 After more than a decade of denials, 298 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:48,090 and mere moments away from his execution, 299 00:16:48,174 --> 00:16:51,052 Ted Bundy confesses to 30 homicides. 300 00:16:52,845 --> 00:16:54,430 (woman screaming) 301 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:58,476 It was a trail of death that spanned many years 302 00:16:58,643 --> 00:17:02,355 and stretched from Washington state to Florida. 303 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,107 I can only liken it to‐‐ after, you know, 304 00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:07,985 I don't want to overdramatize it‐‐ 305 00:17:08,110 --> 00:17:10,780 but to have been possessed 306 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:13,324 by something so awful and so alien, 307 00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:15,993 and then, the next morning, wake up from it. 308 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:22,458 STRAND: He was everything, as the media loved saying, 309 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:26,420 that you would expect a fine young American man to be. 310 00:17:26,504 --> 00:17:28,089 The kind of guy that women would want 311 00:17:28,214 --> 00:17:29,882 to bring home to the parents. 312 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:32,552 JUDGE: You're a bright young man. 313 00:17:32,677 --> 00:17:34,136 You'd have made a good lawyer. 314 00:17:34,262 --> 00:17:35,846 I'd have loved to have you practice in front of me. 315 00:17:35,972 --> 00:17:37,598 But you went another way, partner. 316 00:17:37,682 --> 00:17:41,811 STRAND: And yet here he was, sneaking around Seattle, 317 00:17:41,936 --> 00:17:44,397 with his Volkswagen with the seat removed 318 00:17:44,522 --> 00:17:47,483 so that he could transport bodies. 319 00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:50,653 He was psychopathic. 320 00:17:50,778 --> 00:17:54,407 cleat 321 00:17:54,532 --> 00:17:57,076 and educated young man like Ted Bundy 322 00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:01,163 become a cold‐blooded, psychopathic killer? 323 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:05,084 VAN ZANDT: Serial killers look like any of us; 324 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:07,378 therefore they look like all of us. 325 00:18:07,503 --> 00:18:09,714 There are those individuals that have the ability 326 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:11,966 to wear the mask all the time. 327 00:18:12,049 --> 00:18:13,968 You can never see through that mask 328 00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:16,345 until they want you to see it, 329 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:18,889 and usually that's when you've become a victim. 330 00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:21,100 MORRISON: When we find them, 331 00:18:21,183 --> 00:18:24,937 we can't figure out why they do what they do. 332 00:18:25,021 --> 00:18:28,608 How they're able to commit so many crimes 333 00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:30,651 without being found. 334 00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:34,196 SHATNER: Perhaps an even more shocking example 335 00:18:34,363 --> 00:18:37,950 of how adept serial killers can be at hiding in plain sight 336 00:18:38,034 --> 00:18:40,411 can be found by examining the case of a man 337 00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:43,497 who everyone thought was a selfless veteran 338 00:18:43,623 --> 00:18:47,793 until they found out what he was hiding inside his house. 339 00:18:57,178 --> 00:18:58,596 (siren wailing) 340 00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:00,765 SHATNER: Police arrive at the home of Anthony Sowell 341 00:19:00,848 --> 00:19:04,435 with a warrant to arrest him for an alleged rape. 342 00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:06,270 Before they even enter the house, 343 00:19:06,354 --> 00:19:10,608 they get their first hint of the horror that awaits them inside. 344 00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:13,319 As soon as they open the door of the house, in the first place, 345 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:15,738 there is a... a horrific stench. 346 00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,865 (flies buzzing) 347 00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:19,825 They get up to the third floor, 348 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,495 and the lead officer sees dead bodies. 349 00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:24,914 The bodies were so decomposed 350 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:28,668 that he couldn't even recognize them as human figures. 351 00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:32,421 At that time, the county coroner came out, 352 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:34,799 started taking evidence from the scene. 353 00:19:34,924 --> 00:19:36,676 It was a long night. 354 00:19:36,801 --> 00:19:39,011 SHATNER: In total, investigators recovered the bodies 355 00:19:39,136 --> 00:19:41,472 of 11 women, 356 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:44,392 choked to death by the man who would become known 357 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:46,977 as the Cleveland Strangler. 358 00:19:47,103 --> 00:19:49,146 Sowell committed these murders 359 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,857 over the course of just two years, 360 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:54,151 all without leaving his hometown 361 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:56,987 and without raising the suspicions of the community. 362 00:19:57,113 --> 00:19:58,906 SBERNA: The neighbors were shocked 363 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:01,659 that they were living next door to a serial killer. 364 00:20:01,784 --> 00:20:05,079 He seemed like a charming, helpful, quiet, former Marine. 365 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:08,999 He was named Honor Marine of his boot camp. 366 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:11,502 Was discharged honorably as a sergeant. 367 00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:14,255 Nobody suspected what he was hiding in his house. 368 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:17,591 It was very important for him to be seen as a helper. 369 00:20:17,675 --> 00:20:19,635 There were elderly people in the neighborhood 370 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,179 and single women that he would perform household tasks for‐‐ 371 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,640 mow their lawn, fix their sink. 372 00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:27,601 An individual who tends to be psychopathic 373 00:20:27,727 --> 00:20:30,730 can have very strong connections to the community, 374 00:20:30,855 --> 00:20:34,233 and typically is very difficult to track down, 375 00:20:34,358 --> 00:20:37,278 because it's a very opportunistic crime. 376 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:40,990 A person who takes advantage of a situation on the spot 377 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:42,867 to do something impulsive. 378 00:20:42,992 --> 00:20:46,537 SHATNER: In hindsight, Sowell's efforts to portray himself 379 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:48,664 as an upstanding member of the community 380 00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:51,959 were merely a cover for his evil side. 381 00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:55,087 According to all accounts, he was born into a dark world 382 00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:59,592 of both physical and emotional abuse. 383 00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:02,261 SBERNA: Anthony Sowell was a product of a broken home. 384 00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:04,638 He was raised by his mother and grandmother 385 00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:06,932 in a large house in East Cleveland. 386 00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:09,268 14 people were living in that house. 387 00:21:09,393 --> 00:21:12,313 His mother was physically abusive to the children. 388 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,274 Her favorite targets were Anthony Sowell's nieces. 389 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:18,152 She'd strip them naked, tie them to a banister, 390 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:20,696 then she'd whip them till they were bloody. 391 00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:23,616 From an early age, he associated sex with violence. 392 00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:26,577 As an adult, whipping naked women 393 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:29,747 is exactly the pattern that he recreated. 394 00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:33,793 So from the earliest time that he could possibly remember, 395 00:21:33,876 --> 00:21:38,547 there is no foundation of any kind of real morality. 396 00:21:38,672 --> 00:21:41,008 His mother didn't particularly feel sorry for him. 397 00:21:41,175 --> 00:21:44,094 Why should he feel sorry for somebody else? 398 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,597 SHATNER: In the mid‐1980s, 399 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:49,600 after serving seven years in the Marine Corps, 400 00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,019 Sowell returned to his childhood home in Cleveland 401 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,940 and almost immediately found himself in trouble with the law. 402 00:21:57,233 --> 00:21:59,652 He had some arrests for drinking, 403 00:21:59,819 --> 00:22:01,862 drug use and breaking and enterings. 404 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:05,324 Until 1989. Met a woman. 405 00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:08,285 Brought her home, took her upstairs to the third floor 406 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:09,870 where he said they were gonna party, 407 00:22:09,995 --> 00:22:13,707 and then he raped her violently over a 24‐hour period. 408 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:15,876 ‐(woman screaming) ‐She's able to yell and scream, 409 00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:17,378 get the attention of neighbors. 410 00:22:18,796 --> 00:22:21,590 She testifies against him in court. 411 00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:23,509 He goes away for 15 years. 412 00:22:26,887 --> 00:22:30,140 SHATNER: When he was released from prison in 2005, 413 00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:32,810 Anthony Sowell was not only an ex‐con 414 00:22:32,977 --> 00:22:35,271 but a registered sex offender. 415 00:22:35,354 --> 00:22:39,108 So, how was he able to avoid suspicion 416 00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:42,570 wn bac, 417 00:22:42,695 --> 00:22:45,447 and not once but 11 times? 418 00:22:47,241 --> 00:22:51,453 Anthony Sowell would, uh, charm women with his personality. 419 00:22:51,537 --> 00:22:54,164 There were quite a few people that had drug problems 420 00:22:54,248 --> 00:22:55,332 living in the neighborhood. 421 00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:56,709 Sowell was fairly popular 422 00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:58,335 because he was the man with crack. 423 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:01,964 Sowell's victims were typically African American females 424 00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:05,467 who had drug problems and were transient. 425 00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:08,429 Sowell was a prototypical malignant narcissist, 426 00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:12,349 extremely self‐absorbed to the point of committing murder 427 00:23:12,516 --> 00:23:15,769 to gain whatever he needed to gain. 428 00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:18,439 Many serial killers are very charming, 429 00:23:18,564 --> 00:23:20,649 and that's actually how they get close to their victim, 430 00:23:20,774 --> 00:23:22,484 close enough to actually do the deed. 431 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:25,404 Psychopaths are known to be able to manipulate 432 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:28,073 their social prowess, and many of them actually have 433 00:23:28,198 --> 00:23:30,367 very high emotional intelligence. 434 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:31,660 It's just that they decide when they're gonna 435 00:23:31,744 --> 00:23:32,995 use it and when they're not. 436 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,664 (echoing laughter) 437 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,333 MORRISON: Their first victim, 438 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,376 we don't know why they choose them. 439 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:41,962 We don't know if it's because they're available 440 00:23:42,087 --> 00:23:44,965 or because they've had a thought about this. 441 00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:49,178 Out of all the 50 people that may be in that bar, 442 00:23:49,303 --> 00:23:51,722 why do they choose that one person 443 00:23:51,847 --> 00:23:53,349 that they know will go with them? 444 00:23:53,474 --> 00:23:56,685 Why and how do they know 445 00:23:56,852 --> 00:24:00,105 that that individual will be cooperative? 446 00:24:00,189 --> 00:24:03,108 A lot of people say it's because they're available, 447 00:24:03,192 --> 00:24:06,862 they're not gonna be missed, so forth and so on, 448 00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:09,406 but that's too simple an explanation. 449 00:24:10,699 --> 00:24:13,869 SHATNER: Today, Anthony Sowell resides on death row 450 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:17,581 in Chillicothe Correctional Institution in Ohio. 451 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:20,709 In addition to the 11 murders he was convicted for, 452 00:24:20,834 --> 00:24:22,628 Sowell is believed to have carried out 453 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,421 dozens of rapes and assaults 454 00:24:24,505 --> 00:24:26,966 over a period of more than four decades 455 00:24:27,091 --> 00:24:28,968 before he was stopped. 456 00:24:29,051 --> 00:24:32,179 But did Anthony Sowell become a serial killer 457 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:35,849 because of the abuse he suffered at the hands of his mother? 458 00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:39,144 Or was he, as some experts believe, 459 00:24:39,228 --> 00:24:42,648 simply born bad? 460 00:24:54,535 --> 00:24:56,328 SHATNER: 15‐year‐old Robert Piest 461 00:24:56,412 --> 00:24:58,330 is working the afternoon shift 462 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:01,500 at Nisson Pharmacy when he overhears a customer 463 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:04,795 say that he's looking for help with a remodeling job. 464 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,964 It will pay five dollars an hour, 465 00:25:07,089 --> 00:25:08,465 almost double the pay 466 00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:10,968 that Piest makes at the pharmacy. 467 00:25:11,051 --> 00:25:12,886 At 9:00 p. m., 468 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:15,681 Robert leaves the store to get started 469 00:25:15,848 --> 00:25:19,184 for his new employer: John Wayne Gacy. 470 00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:23,188 VAN ZANDT: John Wayne Gacy ran a construction company. 471 00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:26,692 And he would offer young boys jobs 472 00:25:26,859 --> 00:25:28,485 for his construction company, 473 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:30,487 and, of course, they wanted to get jobs. 474 00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:32,448 HICKEY: He'd say, "You're looking for a job? 475 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:33,991 Come over to my house." 476 00:25:34,116 --> 00:25:35,325 When the victim got there, 477 00:25:35,451 --> 00:25:36,493 he'd say, "By the way, did I ever show you 478 00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:37,745 the old handcuff trick?" 479 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:40,414 So, he'd put him in handcuffs 480 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,124 behind his back, and once that happened, 481 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:43,333 it was over. 482 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,919 ‐(siren wailing) ‐SHATNER: Ten days after 483 00:25:46,003 --> 00:25:47,755 Robert Piest's family reported him missing, 484 00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:51,008 police arrive at John Gacy's home 485 00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:53,969 and uncover a grisly scene. 486 00:25:55,429 --> 00:25:58,474 When law enforcement went into the basement 487 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,476 to investigate, 488 00:26:00,642 --> 00:26:03,854 they found 33 bodies in the basement. 489 00:26:03,979 --> 00:26:07,232 The earth was moving, shaking everywhere 490 00:26:07,357 --> 00:26:09,651 because there were millions of worms in the bodies. 491 00:26:10,861 --> 00:26:12,738 It was one of the most horrific 492 00:26:12,863 --> 00:26:14,782 crime scenes in American history. 493 00:26:14,865 --> 00:26:16,909 KAREN KUZMA: During the daytime, 494 00:26:17,034 --> 00:26:19,870 he led a life of running a business. 495 00:26:20,037 --> 00:26:23,540 And then at night, during a period of years, 496 00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:26,752 he apparently went out and killed these men. 497 00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:30,089 And how often? Nobody knows. 498 00:26:30,214 --> 00:26:32,132 It's still all a mystery. 499 00:26:33,342 --> 00:26:35,969 SHATNER: Between 1972 and 1978, 500 00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:37,805 John Wayne Gacy 501 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:42,184 murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young men. 502 00:26:43,393 --> 00:26:44,853 But perhaps even more disturbing 503 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:47,606 is the fact that often during the murders, 504 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:50,400 Gacy liked to dress up like a circus clown. 505 00:26:50,526 --> 00:26:52,277 It was a character he had created 506 00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:56,490 for fundraising events and children's birthday parties. 507 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:58,826 Gacy's deceptions were so effective 508 00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,494 that he once even had his picture taken 509 00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:01,995 with Rosalynn Carter, 510 00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:05,124 the first lady of the United States. 511 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:09,253 John Gacy was extremely active in his community. 512 00:27:09,336 --> 00:27:11,797 He would give parties, barbecues, 513 00:27:11,922 --> 00:27:14,925 200 people, for all of his neighbors. 514 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,304 SHATNER: But looming beneath Gacy's baby‐faced grin 515 00:27:19,388 --> 00:27:23,183 and child‐friendly persona was a deeply troubled man 516 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:27,271 who was plagued by a toxic mix of childhood trauma 517 00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:29,523 and mental defects. 518 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,359 My dad was a drinker. 519 00:27:33,569 --> 00:27:35,863 John was always criticized by my father. 520 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:38,031 He had a learning disability. 521 00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:39,867 He had problems. They had to take him 522 00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:42,494 and put him in a special school. 523 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,663 My father would always say to him, 524 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:46,999 you know, "You act like a sissy." 525 00:27:47,082 --> 00:27:49,251 You know, "You need to be more of a man." 526 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:54,214 My mom told me that John had been sexually assaulted 527 00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:58,302 when he was around eight or nine years of age. 528 00:27:58,427 --> 00:28:02,264 John never said a word about his abuse or‐or anything. 529 00:28:03,849 --> 00:28:09,146 It's hard for me to fathom that John killed 33 young men. 530 00:28:10,189 --> 00:28:14,234 But my brain tells me he had to have. 531 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,611 (indistinct shouting) 532 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:18,238 SHATNER: On May 10, 1994, 533 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:20,032 an estimated 1,000 people 534 00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:22,451 gathered in the early morning hours 535 00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:25,704 as the man now known as the Killer Clown 536 00:28:25,871 --> 00:28:28,790 was executed by lethal injection. 537 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,044 But in the wake of his death, 538 00:28:32,169 --> 00:28:35,631 one last question had to be considered. 539 00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:39,509 Could John Wayne Gacy's dark impulses 540 00:28:39,635 --> 00:28:42,346 have been genetically hardwired inside him? 541 00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:46,141 KUZMA: I think everybody tries to figure out 542 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:49,061 what type of person is a serial killer. 543 00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:53,607 Is this something that I have to worry about with my children 544 00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,400 or my children's children? 545 00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,069 Is it there in‐in the genes, 546 00:28:57,194 --> 00:29:00,447 or is it something that created a problem? 547 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:04,952 SHATNER: In an effort to find a possible clinical explanation 548 00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:07,621 for Gacy's horrific crimes, 549 00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,082 forensic psychiatrist Dr. Helen Morrison, 550 00:29:10,207 --> 00:29:12,584 who had served as an expert witness at the trial, 551 00:29:12,668 --> 00:29:15,420 made a bold request of the killer's family. 552 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:23,178 MORRISON: When Gacy was going to be executed, 553 00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,473 if we could use the brain for scientific study. 554 00:29:26,598 --> 00:29:28,350 The family agreed. 555 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:32,312 KUZMA: I was really into wanting to know 556 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:35,607 was there something genetically wrong with him. 557 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:37,484 Because, I mean, there's two sisters. 558 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:39,861 Neither one of us have killed anybody. 559 00:29:40,028 --> 00:29:41,488 And we wanted to get some kind of sense 560 00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:43,573 of what happened, what... 561 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:45,826 How did he get this other character in him? 562 00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:50,789 MORRISON: This is the brain of John Wayne Gacy. 563 00:29:50,872 --> 00:29:53,792 This is the first brain that we've been able to get 564 00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:58,588 to look for any potential difference or change 565 00:29:58,714 --> 00:30:01,383 that might make a serial killer. 566 00:30:03,552 --> 00:30:05,971 SHATNER: But could dissecting 567 00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:08,140 the diseased brain of a serial killer 568 00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:11,893 really offer a scientific explanation 569 00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:14,271 for John Wayne Gacy's grotesque crimes? 570 00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:18,108 Helen Morrison hoped for a satisfying answer. 571 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:21,194 MORRISON: Having looked at the slides of the brain, 572 00:30:21,361 --> 00:30:24,906 seeing absolutely nothing abnormal, 573 00:30:25,032 --> 00:30:28,327 now the thought was it's a dead brain. 574 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,329 What is it going to show us 575 00:30:30,412 --> 00:30:33,540 about what's happening in that live brain? 576 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:36,460 We needed a living brain. 577 00:30:36,585 --> 00:30:38,503 We needed to be able to study 578 00:30:38,628 --> 00:30:40,756 the living brain of a serial murderer. 579 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,175 SHATNER: According to Dr. Morrison, 580 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,218 the only way to accurately determine 581 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:47,304 if a serial killer gene does exist 582 00:30:47,471 --> 00:30:50,015 is by studying a living brain. 583 00:30:50,182 --> 00:30:52,642 Many brain scans from psychopaths 584 00:30:52,809 --> 00:30:56,480 show a loss of activity in the limbic system. 585 00:30:56,605 --> 00:31:01,526 But is this proof that a person is predisposed to kill? 586 00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,570 HO: That loss of activity 587 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:05,530 in the limbic system really shows 588 00:31:05,655 --> 00:31:07,657 that they have real difficulties 589 00:31:07,783 --> 00:31:10,327 engaging in empathy as an automatic task. 590 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:13,538 Although we see sort of this evidence 591 00:31:13,663 --> 00:31:15,499 for some hardwiring of psychopaths 592 00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:17,084 in these brain differences, 593 00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:20,337 we also know that nurture plays a huge role. 594 00:31:20,462 --> 00:31:21,755 So, not every single person 595 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,258 who has sort of these psychopathic‐looking brains 596 00:31:25,384 --> 00:31:26,760 actually turn out to be psychopaths 597 00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:28,303 in terms of their actions. 598 00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:30,472 They don't necessarily commit a bunch of crimes. 599 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:33,350 SHATNER: But what if one day in the future, 600 00:31:33,475 --> 00:31:34,643 we are able to determine 601 00:31:34,768 --> 00:31:37,187 that a serial killer gene really does exist? 602 00:31:37,354 --> 00:31:42,109 What would we do with someone who has that particular gene 603 00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:45,445 but hasn't yet committed any crimes? 604 00:31:46,696 --> 00:31:49,199 I think the ethical problems with rewiring the brain 605 00:31:49,366 --> 00:31:51,493 is the issue of the choice of the person. 606 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:53,995 When somebody says that you need to have your brain rewired, 607 00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:55,789 who's making that determination? 608 00:31:55,872 --> 00:31:58,542 And should they be the one to make that call? 609 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:02,629 SHATNER: But even if we do eventually crack the serial killer code 610 00:32:02,754 --> 00:32:05,882 and find out what compels them to kill, 611 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:09,678 we still may be powerless to stop the bloodshed. 612 00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:13,974 Because how do you stop someone before they commit a crime? 613 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:19,187 Unless, of course, they want to be caught in the first place. 614 00:32:23,191 --> 00:32:26,319 It seems most serial killers can't resist 615 00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:28,697 playing cat and mouse with the public. 616 00:32:28,864 --> 00:32:31,158 Penning letters to the police. 617 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:33,326 Leaving clues at the scene of a crime. 618 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:35,078 Even drawing maps 619 00:32:35,203 --> 00:32:38,331 to where the bodies of their victims can be found. 620 00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:41,334 But why? 621 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:44,671 Are they trying to prove how smart they are? 622 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,301 Or are they really desperate to get caught? 623 00:32:50,844 --> 00:32:53,305 â™Ș â™Ș 624 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,141 Perhaps driven by extreme narcissism, 625 00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:58,935 grievance or sinister delusions, 626 00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:01,938 some serial killers are compelled to communicate 627 00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:04,816 with the media and law enforcement. 628 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:07,360 Like the Zodiac Killer, 629 00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:10,864 who sent a total of 21 letters to local newspapers 630 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:14,951 that revealed specific details about his crimes. 631 00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:18,163 Or David Berkowitz, 632 00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:20,874 who antagonized police with handwritten letters 633 00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:23,460 which he signed, "Yours in murder, 634 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,462 Mr. Monster." 635 00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,131 David Berkowitz, 636 00:33:28,256 --> 00:33:31,259 the so‐called Son of Sam killer, 637 00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:35,639 started his murders using a .44 caliber pistol 638 00:33:35,722 --> 00:33:40,435 in New York City at the time the United States was celebrating 639 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,688 its 200‐year anniversary. 640 00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:45,357 I mean, this was a guy who said, 641 00:33:45,524 --> 00:33:47,192 "Look at me, look at me, look at me. 642 00:33:47,317 --> 00:33:50,111 I'm the monster that you're afraid of." 643 00:33:50,237 --> 00:33:53,532 And he wanted credit for his crimes. 644 00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:56,326 SHATNER: But why would a killer 645 00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:58,537 risk being caught by engaging with 646 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:01,790 and even taunting the police? 647 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:04,209 Are they looking to become famous? 648 00:34:04,334 --> 00:34:08,255 Or is there another, more twisted reason? 649 00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:10,966 Dennis Rader, 650 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:16,680 A.K.A. the BTK serial killer out of Wichita, Kansas‐‐ 651 00:34:16,846 --> 00:34:22,394 "BTK" standing for "bind them, torture them, kill them." 652 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:26,815 I mean, this arrogance, this feeling of superiority 653 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:29,317 existed in him to the very end. 654 00:34:29,484 --> 00:34:33,488 And that was the reason he was ultimately caught. 655 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:35,949 Since she lived down the street from me, 656 00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:38,618 I could watch the coming and going quite easily. 657 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:42,706 Oh, I manually strangled her when she started to scream. 658 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:47,586 Dennis Rader, he liked to torture victims, 659 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,963 psychologically and physically torture them. 660 00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:51,715 ‐(heavy breathing) ‐He would stalk victims. 661 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,009 He'd go to their homes. He'd hide in the homes. 662 00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:55,844 When people came home, he would attack them, 663 00:34:55,969 --> 00:34:58,471 tie them up and then torture them, 664 00:34:58,597 --> 00:35:00,932 sometimes telling them, "I might kill you, I might not kill you. 665 00:35:01,016 --> 00:35:03,143 We'll see." 666 00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:04,853 Of course, he was going to kill them. 667 00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:07,522 But he wanted them to suffer. So he's very sadistic that way. 668 00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:12,986 VAN ZANDT: Rader, over a period of 20‐plus years, 669 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:15,739 was believed responsible for about ten murders, 670 00:35:15,864 --> 00:35:19,451 four of which were committed on the very first night. 671 00:35:19,534 --> 00:35:22,829 So here you have someone who committed a mass murder, 672 00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:24,497 and he would've gotten away, 673 00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:27,292 we would've never known who he was, 674 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,878 but he wanted to terrorize that community. 675 00:35:30,003 --> 00:35:31,463 SUSAN PETERS: Good evening. 676 00:35:31,588 --> 00:35:33,923 Tonight, now that we know BTK is back, 677 00:35:34,049 --> 00:35:36,301 the city is anxious and fearful. 678 00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:37,969 A letter sent to The Wichita Eagle is believed 679 00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,347 to be from the serial killer. 680 00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:42,390 Dennis Rader, he stopped killing for a long time. 681 00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,434 For several years, he just stopped killing. 682 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:48,647 And then eventually he realized he was never going to be caught. 683 00:35:48,813 --> 00:35:50,023 At least, in his own thinking. 684 00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:51,650 And so he came back 685 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:54,444 and he started giving out information to law enforcement. 686 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,821 "Well, here's what I'm doing. And I'm still here." 687 00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:59,658 NEWSMAN: The serial killer who terrorized Wichita for years 688 00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:01,826 causes new fears. 689 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:06,164 VAN ZANDT: He starts sending mementos from his crimes 690 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:08,124 to the newspaper, to law enforcement. 691 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:12,671 He sent a computer disk with some memorabilia on it. 692 00:36:12,837 --> 00:36:15,882 The FBI was able to trace that computer disk 693 00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:17,759 back to the church where he was an elder. 694 00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:21,471 They were able to identify Rader as a potential suspect. 695 00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:26,601 And the BTK serial killer was eventually caught. 696 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,937 HICKEY: It was like he wanted to be caught. 697 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,731 He literally gave them enough information 698 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:32,982 where they could track him down. 699 00:36:33,108 --> 00:36:34,526 And that's pretty unusual. 700 00:36:34,651 --> 00:36:40,198 VAN ZANDT: He wanted the reputation of BTK to go on. 701 00:36:40,323 --> 00:36:44,035 And because of that, because of that need within him, 702 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,454 he was eventually identified, arrested 703 00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:48,415 and sent to jail for life. 704 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:51,418 SHATNER: But did the BTK killer 705 00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:54,879 reemerge from the shadows in an effort to become famous 706 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:56,047 or even infamous? 707 00:36:56,172 --> 00:36:58,299 Or was he really trying to be stopped 708 00:36:58,425 --> 00:37:01,678 and then punished for his crimes? 709 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,807 HICKEY: There are some, because of their narcissism, 710 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:07,892 they want to be recognized for their murders. 711 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:09,394 They're in it for the game. 712 00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,104 They will play this all the way through. 713 00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:13,022 They want movies done about them. 714 00:37:13,189 --> 00:37:14,774 They want books written about them. 715 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,025 They want to be interviewed. 716 00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:18,653 Because that's the narcissism in them. 717 00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:21,990 One serial killing leads to another serial killing 718 00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:23,950 that leads to another serial killing. 719 00:37:24,033 --> 00:37:25,994 Because you have your moment of fame, 720 00:37:26,161 --> 00:37:28,538 you go out like a shooting star. 721 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:32,917 NEWSWOMAN: Collecting sports cards is a big American hobby. 722 00:37:33,001 --> 00:37:35,920 But this May, a new collectible series will go on the market: 723 00:37:36,004 --> 00:37:38,047 serial killers and mass murderers. 724 00:37:38,173 --> 00:37:40,091 SHATNER: There are many who believe that, 725 00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:43,928 for some serial killers, the desire to be famous 726 00:37:44,012 --> 00:37:46,806 is equal to their desire to kill. 727 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:49,934 But, if so, why? 728 00:37:50,018 --> 00:37:52,979 Perhaps the answer can be found by using the same method 729 00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:57,817 many serial killers now use to stalk their victims: 730 00:37:57,901 --> 00:37:59,861 the Internet. 731 00:38:03,031 --> 00:38:04,866 SHATNER: The Internet. 732 00:38:05,033 --> 00:38:07,827 For most of us, it is a powerful tool that allows us 733 00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:10,705 to get vast amounts of important information 734 00:38:10,872 --> 00:38:12,665 at the click of a button. 735 00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:18,463 But is it also capable of making serial killing easier 736 00:38:18,588 --> 00:38:23,343 and perhaps safer for the killers than ever before? 737 00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,513 Not necessarily. 738 00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:29,474 For decades, the infamous Golden State Killer, 739 00:38:29,641 --> 00:38:32,685 who committed 13 murders in California 740 00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:34,979 between 1974 and 1986 741 00:38:35,063 --> 00:38:38,733 and was given several menacing names in the press, 742 00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:41,778 baffled investigators. 743 00:38:43,029 --> 00:38:46,699 That is, until April 24, 2018, when authorities charged 744 00:38:46,825 --> 00:38:50,286 72‐year‐old Joseph James DeAngelo 745 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:51,704 with first‐degree murder 746 00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:55,917 and identified him as the Golden State Killer. 747 00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:59,629 And how did they finally crack the case? 748 00:38:59,796 --> 00:39:03,842 An investigator uploaded crime scene DNA to GEDmatch, 749 00:39:03,967 --> 00:39:06,511 a genealogy website that allows people 750 00:39:06,678 --> 00:39:10,473 to compare their genetic information on the Internet. 751 00:39:10,557 --> 00:39:12,767 Authorities were able to connect information found 752 00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:15,979 on the site to one of DeAngelo's family members, 753 00:39:16,062 --> 00:39:22,026 which ultimately led the police to DeAngelo himself. 754 00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:26,656 But does this mean that finding and apprehending serial killers 755 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:28,408 will soon become so efficient 756 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,118 that we will be able to stop them 757 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,704 before they begin their reign of terror? 758 00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:36,124 It's a compelling notion but unlikely. 759 00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:38,334 According to Radford University's 760 00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:40,628 Serial Killer Database, 761 00:39:40,753 --> 00:39:43,840 there have been more than 3,000 confirmed serial killers 762 00:39:44,007 --> 00:39:47,302 in the United States since 1900. 763 00:39:47,427 --> 00:39:48,928 And criminologists believe 764 00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:52,056 that the United States has produced more serial killers 765 00:39:52,181 --> 00:39:55,476 than any other country in the world. 766 00:39:55,602 --> 00:39:57,729 But why? 767 00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:01,399 HICKEY: Any country has the capacity 768 00:40:01,524 --> 00:40:03,526 to produce serial killers. 769 00:40:03,651 --> 00:40:05,486 Uh, but there are some environments, 770 00:40:05,612 --> 00:40:06,988 some cultures, like American culture, 771 00:40:07,071 --> 00:40:11,284 where there's a tremendous fascination with serial killers. 772 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:14,662 Because we all want to be forensics specialists. 773 00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:16,998 We love to watch all these crime movies on television. 774 00:40:17,123 --> 00:40:20,376 And it makes us think about murder in very strange ways. 775 00:40:20,501 --> 00:40:22,587 For most people, it doesn't create killers. 776 00:40:22,712 --> 00:40:26,007 But it does fascinate people. 777 00:40:26,174 --> 00:40:27,467 I do think it's true 778 00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:29,802 that we're overly interested in serial killers 779 00:40:29,928 --> 00:40:32,597 in this culture and that people are fascinated 780 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,807 by these extremes of human emotion. 781 00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:37,727 Whether that contributes to copycat crimes, 782 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:41,022 that is a question that is‐is worth asking. 783 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:46,152 SHATNER: Is it possible that our interest in serial killers 784 00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:49,739 is actually creating new ones? 785 00:40:49,864 --> 00:40:52,492 It's certainly a frightening possibility 786 00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:55,495 but no more disturbing than the enduring mystery 787 00:40:55,620 --> 00:41:01,417 of what causes a person to hunt human beings for sport. 788 00:41:01,501 --> 00:41:02,919 (woman screams) 789 00:41:03,002 --> 00:41:05,922 Although we know a lot about serial killers 790 00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:06,839 in the United States, 791 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,884 there's just a lot about motivation 792 00:41:10,009 --> 00:41:12,804 for human behavior that we don't understand, 793 00:41:12,929 --> 00:41:14,555 that we don't know. 794 00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:16,891 And that's what allows these individuals 795 00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:21,396 to stay out there, stalking, identifying and killing. 796 00:41:23,022 --> 00:41:25,566 HICKEY: There's not one profile that fits serial killers in general. 797 00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:27,068 But, actually, there are different types 798 00:41:27,193 --> 00:41:31,280 of serial killers, based upon their motivations, 799 00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:33,491 uh, and what drives them to kill. 800 00:41:33,658 --> 00:41:36,661 So, why are humans 801 00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:40,540 so endlessly fascinated by serial killers? 802 00:41:40,665 --> 00:41:44,085 Are we afraid that we might become one of their victims? 803 00:41:45,545 --> 00:41:49,507 Or is it something within us that makes us more afraid 804 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:52,677 that we could be serial killers ourselves? 805 00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:54,637 Perhaps that's why we find them so frightening, 806 00:41:54,721 --> 00:41:57,724 so‐so disturbing and so... 807 00:41:57,849 --> 00:41:58,850 unexplained. 65055

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