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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,543 --> 00:00:03,128 SOLDIER: Fire! 2 00:00:03,128 --> 00:00:06,882 WILLIAM SHATNER: Eerie recollections... 3 00:00:06,882 --> 00:00:09,676 of someone else's memories. 4 00:00:09,676 --> 00:00:13,972 Two people who share one mind. 5 00:00:13,972 --> 00:00:17,851 And people who have been able to see their own bodies 6 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:19,853 while at the point of death. 7 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:29,029 What happens to us after we die? 8 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:32,574 Do our memories or our personalities‐‐ 9 00:00:32,574 --> 00:00:35,369 everything that makes us who we are‐‐ 10 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:39,998 does it all just... disappear? 11 00:00:39,998 --> 00:00:44,294 Or do we have a consciousness, a‐a soul... 12 00:00:44,294 --> 00:00:46,797 that lives on? 13 00:00:46,797 --> 00:00:51,551 Well, that is what we'll try and find out. 14 00:00:51,551 --> 00:00:53,553 â™Ș â™Ș 15 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:07,734 (wind whistling) 16 00:01:07,734 --> 00:01:09,444 SHATNER: Lynchburg, Virginia. 17 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:11,905 November 10, 2008. 18 00:01:11,905 --> 00:01:15,993 Accomplished neurosurgeon, Dr. Eben Alexander, 19 00:01:15,993 --> 00:01:18,912 is rushed to the hospital after suffering 20 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:21,873 from severe back spasms and headaches. 21 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:26,587 After performing a spinal tap, doctors discover that 22 00:01:26,587 --> 00:01:28,714 his spine and brain are swollen 23 00:01:28,714 --> 00:01:31,300 with a thick, pus‐filled liquid‐‐ 24 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:34,720 the sign of a deadly meningitis infection. 25 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,891 Shortly afterward, Dr. Alexander slips into a coma. 26 00:01:39,891 --> 00:01:43,979 His brain begins shutting down. 27 00:01:43,979 --> 00:01:47,441 My brain was being overrun by an extremely primitive, 28 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:49,860 aggressive bacterial infection. 29 00:01:51,570 --> 00:01:54,406 One that is almost uniformly fatal. 30 00:01:54,406 --> 00:01:58,452 Some of the fundamental brain stem reflexes were absent. 31 00:01:58,452 --> 00:02:00,704 My pupils weren't responding. 32 00:02:00,704 --> 00:02:03,290 My neocortex was horribly damaged. 33 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:07,461 People just don't come back from this kind of meningitis. 34 00:02:07,461 --> 00:02:10,672 My doctors called my family together, 35 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:13,342 and they felt that there was no chance for recovery. 36 00:02:15,469 --> 00:02:18,639 SHATNER: As a surgeon, Dr. Alexander helped save the lives 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,265 of countless others. 38 00:02:20,265 --> 00:02:23,977 Now he lies helpless, at the mercy 39 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:26,313 of the killer bacteria that is whittling 40 00:02:26,313 --> 00:02:28,649 his brain function down to nothing. 41 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:32,027 But then, something remarkable happens. 42 00:02:34,488 --> 00:02:35,989 I was in very deep coma. 43 00:02:35,989 --> 00:02:38,325 My brain was fully inflamed from this. 44 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:40,243 All eight lobes were involved. 45 00:02:40,243 --> 00:02:42,621 Uh, there was really no place in my brain 46 00:02:42,621 --> 00:02:45,248 for any kind of conscious experience to happen. 47 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,836 SHATNER: After clinging to life by the barest of threads, 48 00:02:49,836 --> 00:02:54,007 Dr. Alexander eventually makes an extraordinary recovery‐‐ 49 00:02:54,007 --> 00:02:57,969 one that baffles his physicians. 50 00:02:59,971 --> 00:03:04,726 But perhaps even more baffling is the inexplicable array 51 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:09,523 of sensations that Dr. Alexander believes he experienced 52 00:03:09,523 --> 00:03:12,192 while in a coma. 53 00:03:12,192 --> 00:03:15,195 I was rescued by this slowly spinning white light 54 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:18,073 that came packaged with a perfect musical melody. 55 00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:24,705 I felt a sensation of going through a tunnel, 56 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:27,833 being lifted up out of space and time, 57 00:03:27,833 --> 00:03:31,378 and that opened up into this rich ultra‐real valley 58 00:03:31,378 --> 00:03:33,046 that I call the Gateway Valley. 59 00:03:33,046 --> 00:03:35,841 It was an incredible, beautiful scene, 60 00:03:35,841 --> 00:03:38,427 and yet, the most profound mystery. 61 00:03:38,427 --> 00:03:42,264 SHATNER: Did Dr. Alexander experience 62 00:03:42,264 --> 00:03:44,724 a hallucination? 63 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:47,436 Or was he really given a glimpse 64 00:03:47,436 --> 00:03:49,396 into a life beyond the one we know? 65 00:03:49,396 --> 00:03:52,858 A life beyond death? 66 00:03:52,858 --> 00:03:54,067 If true, 67 00:03:54,067 --> 00:03:57,696 the idea is almost too incredible to comprehend. 68 00:03:57,696 --> 00:04:01,616 But consider this: Dr. Alexander 69 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:05,078 is just one of millions who, at the point of death, 70 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:10,125 claim to have taken the same, virtually identical journey‐‐ 71 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:14,045 a journey which is collectively referred to 72 00:04:14,045 --> 00:04:18,925 as a near‐death experience. 73 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:20,969 GREGORY SHUSHAN: A near‐death experience is when 74 00:04:20,969 --> 00:04:22,596 somebody dies clinically, 75 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:25,599 and they come back to life and describe having had 76 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,017 strange experiences, 77 00:04:27,017 --> 00:04:29,728 such as traveling through darkness, 78 00:04:29,728 --> 00:04:31,938 emerging into another realm, 79 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:35,776 meeting deceased relatives or a being of light, 80 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,194 traveling back to the body, 81 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:40,572 often being told to go back to the body by this being of light. 82 00:04:40,572 --> 00:04:43,784 Raymond Moody was really the pioneering figure 83 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:46,536 in the scientific study of near‐death experiences, 84 00:04:46,536 --> 00:04:48,789 who wrote a book called Life After Life. 85 00:04:48,789 --> 00:04:50,081 Before Moody came along, 86 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:51,875 you had descriptions of these accounts, 87 00:04:51,875 --> 00:04:55,086 but nobody called it a near‐death experience. 88 00:04:55,086 --> 00:04:58,965 In the United States, about 800 people a day 89 00:04:58,965 --> 00:05:01,510 report that they're having near‐death experiences. 90 00:05:01,510 --> 00:05:05,263 And if you think about that over the course of years 91 00:05:05,263 --> 00:05:07,432 and across the whole world, 92 00:05:07,432 --> 00:05:09,351 that's probably millions of people, 93 00:05:09,351 --> 00:05:11,853 which makes me think that this is a real phenomenon. 94 00:05:11,853 --> 00:05:13,897 People are really experiencing this. 95 00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:16,566 They're not making it up. 96 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:21,655 Before my coma, I fully bought into the, uh, teachings, 97 00:05:21,655 --> 00:05:23,824 uh, that the physical world is all that exists. 98 00:05:23,824 --> 00:05:26,159 That's kind of the conventional scientific model. 99 00:05:26,159 --> 00:05:30,664 But when I first opened my eyes in that ICU bed, 100 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:33,375 my brain was absolutely wrecked, 101 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:36,086 and all I remembered was where I'd been, 102 00:05:36,086 --> 00:05:38,964 that extraordinary spiritual journey deep in coma. 103 00:05:38,964 --> 00:05:41,341 That's why near‐death experiencers 104 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:43,635 come back to this world and realize 105 00:05:43,635 --> 00:05:46,012 that we are eternal spiritual beings 106 00:05:46,012 --> 00:05:48,807 and that our physical body is only a vessel 107 00:05:48,807 --> 00:05:51,226 that serves our soul in transition 108 00:05:51,226 --> 00:05:52,811 through this phase of our journey. 109 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:56,815 SHATNER: The soul? 110 00:05:56,815 --> 00:06:01,152 The intangible essence of who we are that lives on after we die? 111 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:06,074 If the near‐death experiences reported by millions 112 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:09,703 have, in fact, really happened as described, 113 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:12,205 then could this be proof 114 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:15,709 that the soul actually exists, 115 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:19,421 and that there really is some form of life 116 00:06:19,421 --> 00:06:22,048 beyond death? 117 00:06:22,048 --> 00:06:25,218 The concept of the soul is one of the deepest, 118 00:06:25,218 --> 00:06:28,680 most far‐reaching questions in all of science, 119 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,932 and for that matter, in all of human history. 120 00:06:30,932 --> 00:06:35,061 Throughout history, poets, philosophers have tried 121 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:37,439 to single out what is the soul, 122 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:40,734 what is the essence of what makes us human? 123 00:06:40,734 --> 00:06:43,570 It speaks to our yearning for more time. 124 00:06:43,570 --> 00:06:45,697 To go beyond the short amount of time 125 00:06:45,697 --> 00:06:49,576 that's been given us as human beings. 126 00:06:49,576 --> 00:06:52,412 If you look to questions about the soul, 127 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:56,082 you see that these really speak to our fears, our desires, 128 00:06:56,082 --> 00:06:58,877 what we want most and what matters most. 129 00:07:01,921 --> 00:07:05,050 SHATNER: Not surprisingly, not everyone's convinced 130 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:07,761 that the soul really exists. 131 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:10,889 As far as many in the scientific community are concerned, 132 00:07:10,889 --> 00:07:13,558 it is little more than a concept brought about 133 00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:16,061 by wishful thinking. 134 00:07:16,061 --> 00:07:17,437 KAKU: There is a theory 135 00:07:17,437 --> 00:07:19,606 that says that people who are prone 136 00:07:19,606 --> 00:07:23,276 to have these near‐death experiences are also prone 137 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:28,031 to have lots of dream activity during REM sleep. 138 00:07:28,031 --> 00:07:31,910 Maybe they were hallucinating, or some people think that, aha, 139 00:07:31,910 --> 00:07:36,247 maybe that could explain near‐death experience. 140 00:07:36,247 --> 00:07:39,918 I would maintain, along with virtually everybody 141 00:07:39,918 --> 00:07:43,713 who is engaged in the study of near‐death experiences, 142 00:07:43,713 --> 00:07:47,884 that these are not aberrations, these are not hallucinations. 143 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:50,136 How is it possible that people are having 144 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:53,390 such rich conscious experiences 145 00:07:53,390 --> 00:07:56,810 when the brain itself is not functioning? 146 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,646 There's a case report in September 2018 147 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:02,982 in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease on my case, 148 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:06,403 and it makes it clear to anyone in the medical profession 149 00:08:06,403 --> 00:08:11,074 that I was deathly ill and that my brain was terribly devastated 150 00:08:11,074 --> 00:08:12,492 by this infection 151 00:08:12,492 --> 00:08:14,244 and should not have been able to produce 152 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:15,829 any kind of consciousness. 153 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:18,248 From my point of view, death of the physical body 154 00:08:18,248 --> 00:08:21,960 is not the end of the conscious awareness. 155 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,504 Near‐death experiences are showing us, 156 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,549 in no uncertain fashion, that we are souls 157 00:08:27,549 --> 00:08:31,302 living in a spiritual universe and that all the major factors 158 00:08:31,302 --> 00:08:34,222 involved in the events of our lives 159 00:08:34,222 --> 00:08:36,683 have to do with that soul journey 160 00:08:36,683 --> 00:08:38,351 and with that spiritual nature. 161 00:08:40,353 --> 00:08:44,983 SHATNER: Consciousness in the absence of brain activity? 162 00:08:44,983 --> 00:08:46,818 According to mainstream scientists, 163 00:08:46,818 --> 00:08:49,029 such a thing is not possible. 164 00:08:49,029 --> 00:08:52,532 But what if they're missing the target? 165 00:08:52,532 --> 00:08:55,326 Perhaps the answer can be found 166 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:57,996 by investigating further evidence that, 167 00:08:57,996 --> 00:09:00,832 not only does a soul exist, 168 00:09:00,832 --> 00:09:04,377 but it might actually be transplanted 169 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:07,380 from one body to another. 170 00:09:15,472 --> 00:09:19,059 SHATNER: Atlanta, Georgia. December 1992. 171 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:23,938 17‐year‐old Amy Tippins is having difficulty breathing. 172 00:09:23,938 --> 00:09:26,566 Suspecting that she has some form of pneumonia, 173 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,235 she makes an appointment with her family doctor. 174 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:33,406 But the actual diagnosis she receives is, 175 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:36,618 in a word, shocking. 176 00:09:36,618 --> 00:09:38,286 TIPPINS: My senior year of high school, 177 00:09:38,286 --> 00:09:41,915 I started developing what I thought was pneumonia, 178 00:09:41,915 --> 00:09:44,125 and then when they went in to do some further testing, 179 00:09:44,125 --> 00:09:45,418 they realized I didn't have pneumonia, 180 00:09:45,418 --> 00:09:47,629 it was actually a tumor pushing on my diaphragm 181 00:09:47,629 --> 00:09:49,589 and making it much harder for me to breathe, 182 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:52,717 and I was in full liver failure. 183 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:55,762 They said, "She'll," you know, "she needs to have a transplant 184 00:09:55,762 --> 00:09:57,138 or she'll hemorrhage to death." 185 00:09:57,138 --> 00:09:59,265 SHATNER: With time running out, 186 00:09:59,265 --> 00:10:04,104 Amy received her new liver and survived. 187 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:07,440 But in the months following her transplant, 188 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,485 she found herself exhibiting interests and abilities 189 00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:12,612 that were, not only new to her, 190 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:15,782 but also surprising. 191 00:10:15,782 --> 00:10:17,450 TIPPINS: Not long after surgery, 192 00:10:17,450 --> 00:10:19,994 some things about myself and some of my traits had changed. 193 00:10:19,994 --> 00:10:22,664 Within a couple of years of my transplant, 194 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:24,207 I really started to love projects, 195 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:27,127 like replacing flooring on my own. 196 00:10:27,127 --> 00:10:29,003 I never saw flooring being put in. 197 00:10:29,003 --> 00:10:31,339 I never saw anything like that being done. 198 00:10:31,339 --> 00:10:33,007 What I discovered is it was actually fun 199 00:10:33,007 --> 00:10:34,801 to work with my hands. 200 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:36,594 Just kind of go, "Huh, that's interesting." 201 00:10:36,594 --> 00:10:40,014 SHATNER: Of course, it isn't surprising that people 202 00:10:40,014 --> 00:10:43,059 who have had lifesaving transplant operations 203 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:45,478 often report experiencing 204 00:10:45,478 --> 00:10:48,148 ‐a new outlook on life. ‐(heart beating) 205 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:51,025 But new interests? 206 00:10:51,025 --> 00:10:54,154 New personality traits? 207 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:58,158 Is it possible that Amy Tippins was getting these 208 00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:01,703 from somewhere else? 209 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:04,622 I knew my donor was a male, I knew he was 47 210 00:11:04,622 --> 00:11:10,170 and that he had been killed in a car wreck in Columbus, Georgia. 211 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,172 So I went to the library and I started 212 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:13,882 looking up obituaries from that time. 213 00:11:13,882 --> 00:11:17,177 And I kind of backed into his obituary, 214 00:11:17,177 --> 00:11:19,679 and backed into figuring out who he was. 215 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,682 What I discovered is he was a police officer. 216 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:25,727 He was 47 and his name was Mike. 217 00:11:25,727 --> 00:11:29,189 His sister told me that he did a lot of his own home renovation. 218 00:11:29,189 --> 00:11:31,900 He also liked to work with his hands. 219 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:34,402 He liked to do projects. 220 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:37,363 When I found out who my donor was, it made a lot more sense 221 00:11:37,363 --> 00:11:40,200 on why some things about myself and some of my traits 222 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,076 had changed after transplant. 223 00:11:42,076 --> 00:11:46,873 SHATNER: Personality traits and even recreational interests 224 00:11:46,873 --> 00:11:49,334 coming from a transplanted organ? 225 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:54,756 Is such a bizarre notion even scientifically possible? 226 00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:58,384 I've had clients come to the office 227 00:11:58,384 --> 00:12:01,054 who've had organ transplants 228 00:12:01,054 --> 00:12:04,265 who are baffled by what they experience, 229 00:12:04,265 --> 00:12:07,518 and some did have memories that were foreign to them. 230 00:12:07,518 --> 00:12:12,565 And then somehow or other found out what the person was like 231 00:12:12,565 --> 00:12:16,861 whose organ that they now have, and it matches. 232 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:21,908 It's unusual, and I don't have an explanation for it. 233 00:12:21,908 --> 00:12:26,871 MISHLOVE: They very often report not only the memories of the donor 234 00:12:26,871 --> 00:12:30,333 but sometimes the behavioral patterns of the donor. 235 00:12:30,333 --> 00:12:32,919 It certainly suggests that memory 236 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:36,631 and‐and even behavior patterns can be embedded 237 00:12:36,631 --> 00:12:42,095 in these organs in ways that science has no clue. 238 00:12:42,095 --> 00:12:43,846 GARY SCHWARTZ: After looking at all the cases 239 00:12:43,846 --> 00:12:49,102 that we had access to, I developed a theory about how 240 00:12:49,102 --> 00:12:51,104 if the brain can learn, then other organs 241 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:54,732 like the heart or the lungs or the liver could learn. 242 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:58,611 We analyzed ten of the best cases 243 00:12:58,611 --> 00:13:02,448 where the‐‐ it was clear that the individual 244 00:13:02,448 --> 00:13:04,784 had these kinds of personality changes, 245 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:09,831 and it was only later that they then met family members. 246 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:11,457 (indistinct radio chatter) 247 00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:14,627 One case in particular was of a young boy 248 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:20,717 who had been killed in a drive‐by shooting, 249 00:13:20,717 --> 00:13:22,885 and his heart was donated 250 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:26,472 to a foundry worker who was 47 years old. 251 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:31,185 What happened was he developed a passion for classical music. 252 00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:35,857 And then he subsequently ended up meeting the mother 253 00:13:35,857 --> 00:13:40,528 of this young boy, and he learned that this young man 254 00:13:40,528 --> 00:13:43,990 was taking classical violin lessons 255 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:49,328 and literally was shot as he was leaving his music lessons. 256 00:13:49,328 --> 00:13:51,831 From my point of view, it simply goes to show 257 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:54,500 that as much as we want to pretend that things 258 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,378 like mind and consciousness and personality 259 00:13:57,378 --> 00:14:01,174 are all stuck in the brain, um, they're really not. 260 00:14:02,508 --> 00:14:05,344 SHATNER: Could our memories, our identities, 261 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:10,767 even our consciousness, be stored in not just our brains, 262 00:14:10,767 --> 00:14:15,229 but within each and every part of our bodies? 263 00:14:15,229 --> 00:14:19,692 If that's true, could these traits also be inherited, 264 00:14:19,692 --> 00:14:24,530 just like the color of our eyes or the size of our ears? 265 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:26,574 According to a groundbreaking study conducted 266 00:14:26,574 --> 00:14:28,576 at the Icahn School of Medicine 267 00:14:28,576 --> 00:14:31,913 at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City, 268 00:14:31,913 --> 00:14:37,210 the answer might just be a resounding yes. 269 00:14:37,210 --> 00:14:41,130 About 25 years ago, we began studying the adult children 270 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:42,757 of Holocaust survivors. 271 00:14:42,757 --> 00:14:47,220 And what we learned was that Holocaust offspring 272 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:49,597 were more likely to have been diagnosed 273 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:52,391 with mood and anxiety disorders. 274 00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:55,103 And we were able to observe epigenetic changes 275 00:14:55,103 --> 00:14:59,732 on, actually, two small segments of two stress‐related genes, 276 00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:02,068 which really captured our attention. 277 00:15:02,068 --> 00:15:07,740 Then you start to wonder why a child of a trauma survivor 278 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:10,910 would have such a change on their DNA. 279 00:15:10,910 --> 00:15:17,125 Is there a way that information somehow stays with us, 280 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:19,252 maybe in our germ cells, 281 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:24,507 maybe in other places, and then somehow, they are passed? 282 00:15:24,507 --> 00:15:29,303 SCHWARTZ: The findings about the cross‐generational 283 00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:33,432 parent transfer from Holocaust survivors to their children, 284 00:15:33,432 --> 00:15:37,145 is evidence that the, uh, the body itself 285 00:15:37,145 --> 00:15:40,439 is a much more exquisite system 286 00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:45,111 for storing energy information about our lives. 287 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:48,489 And that that information could not only be transferred 288 00:15:48,489 --> 00:15:51,117 in the case of an organ transplant, 289 00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:53,119 but it also could be transferred 290 00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:57,290 and continued across generations. 291 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:59,458 KINSELLA: Studies like this are suggesting 292 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:02,128 that we really don't know how mind, how memory, 293 00:16:02,128 --> 00:16:04,922 how experience work, we don't know how that resonates 294 00:16:04,922 --> 00:16:07,466 with us in body. 295 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:10,553 HAWKES: I think it's very clear that there's something 296 00:16:10,553 --> 00:16:14,473 about us as beings that's beyond the brain, 297 00:16:14,473 --> 00:16:18,811 and people have used the word soul or spirit. 298 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:23,399 It's one of those very curious and unexplained mysteries 299 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:25,651 of who are we 300 00:16:25,651 --> 00:16:29,322 and what comes and goes with our bodies, 301 00:16:29,322 --> 00:16:32,575 our cells, our organs. 302 00:16:32,575 --> 00:16:34,202 His DNA is still in my bloodstream, 303 00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:37,246 and they say that DNA carries memories. 304 00:16:37,246 --> 00:16:40,499 To this day, I still continue to find out information about him. 305 00:16:40,499 --> 00:16:42,501 I'd go, "Huh, that's interesting 306 00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:44,921 in how it relates to me." 307 00:16:48,341 --> 00:16:50,843 Can transplanted organs really contain 308 00:16:50,843 --> 00:16:53,346 some part of the donor's identity? 309 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:57,516 Conventional medicine believes the notion is far‐fetched. 310 00:16:57,516 --> 00:17:02,897 So how do you explain what we just saw? 311 00:17:02,897 --> 00:17:06,734 Is our life experience encoded not just in our brain 312 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:11,739 but throughout our entire body? 313 00:17:11,739 --> 00:17:14,408 Perhaps the answer can be found by examining 314 00:17:14,408 --> 00:17:18,246 whether such a connection exists between two people 315 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:21,249 who are physically identical in every way. 316 00:17:21,249 --> 00:17:23,709 Twins. 317 00:17:27,421 --> 00:17:30,550 SHATNER: Los Angeles, California. 318 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:33,636 March 2004. 319 00:17:33,636 --> 00:17:37,098 Linda Jamison is out for a romantic evening 320 00:17:37,098 --> 00:17:39,475 when she becomes struck by a strange 321 00:17:39,475 --> 00:17:42,478 and overpowering sensation. 322 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:47,775 Something in her tells her that her identical twin sister Terry 323 00:17:47,775 --> 00:17:49,652 is in mortal danger. 324 00:17:49,652 --> 00:17:53,155 LINDA: While I was on a date with a guy, 325 00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:54,949 in the middle of the dinner, I said, "Oh, my gosh, 326 00:17:54,949 --> 00:17:56,742 "I... I have this horrible feeling. 327 00:17:56,742 --> 00:18:00,746 "I have to get home to see if Terry's okay, 328 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,624 'cause I don't feel she's okay." 329 00:18:08,629 --> 00:18:12,049 And when I went home, I went up to our apartment, 330 00:18:12,049 --> 00:18:16,596 and Terry was lying in bed, unable to speak or hear. 331 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,557 And, I mean, it was so terrifying. 332 00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:21,475 It was kind of like a weird virus that had taken me over... 333 00:18:21,475 --> 00:18:22,685 ‐It was a virus. ‐...like, very quickly. 334 00:18:22,685 --> 00:18:25,271 (siren wailing) 335 00:18:25,271 --> 00:18:27,481 And she got me to the ER just in time and they said, "Wow, 336 00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:29,442 you could have died." 337 00:18:31,193 --> 00:18:34,614 SHATNER: Faced with what could have been a fatal viral infection, 338 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:38,159 Terry was saved in the nick of time. 339 00:18:38,159 --> 00:18:41,621 But was Linda's belief that her sister was in danger 340 00:18:41,621 --> 00:18:47,209 merely a coincidence, or was it something more? 341 00:18:47,209 --> 00:18:48,836 Twins share more than genes. 342 00:18:48,836 --> 00:18:50,796 They've shared an intrauterine environment. 343 00:18:50,796 --> 00:18:53,716 They've shared a set of early experiences together. 344 00:18:53,716 --> 00:18:57,470 They have been there with each other through early attachments 345 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,472 and early developmental milestones. 346 00:18:59,472 --> 00:19:02,600 So the idea that twins feel really connected to each other 347 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,810 is not very surprising. 348 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:07,688 LINDA: It's a weird thing to describe to singletons, 349 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:10,983 but we've always had that mysterious bond, 350 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,985 that special bond twins have 351 00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:14,820 where they can feel each other's pain 352 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:17,281 or they can determine what's gonna happen next 353 00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:20,201 ‐with the other twin. ‐We're just always intuiting 354 00:19:20,201 --> 00:19:23,496 what the other wants or what the other twin needs 355 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:26,248 or, you know, helping each other constantly. 356 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,168 SHATNER: Twins, 357 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:32,046 each one constantly in sync 358 00:19:32,046 --> 00:19:35,675 with what the other wants or needs? 359 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:39,220 It is often said that the bond between twins is so strong, 360 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:42,098 they can actually read each other's minds. 361 00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:47,019 But is that just an expression, 362 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:51,190 or could it be true? 363 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,567 Studies that were done in Copenhagen and in London 364 00:19:53,567 --> 00:19:56,529 took monozygotic pairs‐‐ 365 00:19:56,529 --> 00:20:01,909 so really, really twins, absolute identical DNA‐‐ 366 00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:05,204 isolated them, and then, 367 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,081 for one of them, uh, was subjected 368 00:20:07,081 --> 00:20:08,874 to different kinds of shocks. 369 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:12,420 The distant twin was wired up with polygraph equipment. 370 00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:14,714 So these were designed to see 371 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:16,716 what was happening in the distant twin. 372 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:20,010 But one shock would have been literally an electric shock, 373 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,388 another would be that, at a time that they didn't know, 374 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:24,640 somebody behind them would drop a whole bunch of plates, 375 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,809 make a big racket. 376 00:20:26,809 --> 00:20:29,812 So they found roughly eight to ten percent 377 00:20:29,812 --> 00:20:31,897 of the twins that were tested showed that there was 378 00:20:31,897 --> 00:20:34,608 some kind of a correlation between one person 379 00:20:34,608 --> 00:20:36,902 getting a shock and the other person responding. 380 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:46,328 30% of twins report a telepathic connection with their twin, 381 00:20:46,328 --> 00:20:50,249 and it is because they're sharing a similar genetic code 382 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:52,960 on some level, but on another level, 383 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,755 they're also connected on a soul level 384 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:59,216 that allows them to stay in this telepathic communication 385 00:20:59,216 --> 00:21:01,469 at all times. 386 00:21:01,469 --> 00:21:04,263 But we also called it "twin tuition," 387 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:06,766 because there was no word to describe that weird, 388 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:10,436 you know, mysterious feeling where your twin is suffering 389 00:21:10,436 --> 00:21:14,148 somewhere, and you pick up on it somehow and even feel 390 00:21:14,148 --> 00:21:17,610 the physical pain that that twin is feeling. 391 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:19,111 It's very eerie. 392 00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:22,281 (heart beating) 393 00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,825 SHATNER: Despite the claims of Linda and Terry Jamison, 394 00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:27,036 and thousands more like them, 395 00:21:27,036 --> 00:21:30,498 skeptics often argue that what is interpreted 396 00:21:30,498 --> 00:21:33,501 as a psychic connection between twins 397 00:21:33,501 --> 00:21:36,045 is merely a misinterpretation 398 00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:38,047 of the fondness they have for each other. 399 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:42,968 But if identical twins really do share 400 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,638 an inexplicable attachment, 401 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:50,142 then perhaps evidence of this link can be found 402 00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:53,395 in cases of twins who have remarkable similarities, 403 00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:57,107 even though they were raised separately. 404 00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:02,571 So I've been working with twins raised apart for many years. 405 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:07,493 And we find that identical twins do show many traits in common, 406 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:09,495 even after years of separation. 407 00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:13,332 So for example, the Jim twins, Jim Lewis and Jim Springer, 408 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,377 grew up in Ohio about 30 or 40 miles apart. 409 00:22:16,377 --> 00:22:19,547 And they had a long list of similarities. 410 00:22:19,547 --> 00:22:22,675 For one thing, they both had woodworking benches 411 00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:26,178 in their houses; they both loved to do woodwork. 412 00:22:26,178 --> 00:22:31,016 They both had dogs named Toy, and they both had older sons 413 00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:32,893 that they named James Allen. 414 00:22:32,893 --> 00:22:35,688 Both of them worked part‐time as sheriffs, 415 00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:38,357 both drove light blue Chevrolets, and they both 416 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,901 used to vacation on the same three‐block strip 417 00:22:40,901 --> 00:22:42,862 of beach in Florida. 418 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:45,072 We don't know the reason for that, but the point is 419 00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:47,741 that when you see these similarities repeated 420 00:22:47,741 --> 00:22:51,036 in identical twins raised apart, and not in fraternals, 421 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:54,206 it creates a whole new set of hypotheses 422 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,833 that you can begin to explore. 423 00:22:55,833 --> 00:22:58,878 TERRY: Whether people want to look at the evidence, 424 00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:00,337 that's up to them. 425 00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:04,884 And we're not trying to convince anyone, but it's a weird thing. 426 00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:07,052 It's like we're two wings of a bird. 427 00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:10,389 We believe that we were bifurcated‐‐ 428 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:14,977 a bifurcated soul‐‐ which means one soul with two bodies. 429 00:23:18,147 --> 00:23:21,066 SHATNER: If one soul can be shared between two people, 430 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:24,653 as Linda and Terry Jamison believe, could it also explain 431 00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:28,949 how twins appear to communicate with each other telepathically? 432 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,411 And if so, does this shared consciousness 433 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:35,247 simply go away after one of them dies? 434 00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:41,253 Perhaps the answer can be found by hearing the story of a man 435 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:45,382 who believes his soul doesn't just serve one body... 436 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,677 ...but several. 437 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,186 SHATNER: Sharpsburg, Maryland. 438 00:23:57,186 --> 00:23:59,104 May 1991. 439 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:02,483 Connecticut fire chief, Jeffrey Keene, 440 00:24:02,483 --> 00:24:04,109 is on a road trip with his wife 441 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:07,821 when suddenly he feels a strange urge 442 00:24:07,821 --> 00:24:10,449 to make a detour. 443 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:13,160 My wife and I, uh, like to go antique hunting, 444 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,454 and we had been through Pennsylvania 445 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,665 and headed down into Maryland. 446 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,127 We were very near where the Battle of Antietam 447 00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:24,380 had been fought, 448 00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:26,840 and I was always impressed 449 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,802 with the bravery of the men that fought in the Civil War. 450 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:31,428 It strikes a chord in you. 451 00:24:32,888 --> 00:24:35,349 So I asked my wife if it was okay if we, uh, 452 00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:37,977 take a little side trip to go see the battlefield. 453 00:24:37,977 --> 00:24:39,561 SOLDIER: Fire! 454 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:46,276 SHATNER: On September 17, 1862, 455 00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:49,321 Union forces cornered Confederate troops 456 00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:52,282 near Antietam Creek as they attempted an incursion 457 00:24:52,282 --> 00:24:53,492 into Maryland. 458 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:00,833 It was the first major battle of the Civil War 459 00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:02,418 to take place on Union soil. 460 00:25:08,632 --> 00:25:11,385 All told, almost 125,000 soldiers took part 461 00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:12,594 in the fighting. 462 00:25:15,097 --> 00:25:16,473 And by day's end, 463 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:20,394 the battlefield was soaked with the blood 464 00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:24,148 of more than 22,000 souls. 465 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:31,196 Now, nearly 130 years later, 466 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:35,492 Jeffrey Keene and his wife arrived at the battlefield, 467 00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:38,537 hoping to experience a bit of this history. 468 00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:41,707 But while visiting the site, 469 00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:46,128 Jeffrey had a very different experience, 470 00:25:46,128 --> 00:25:50,007 one that would prove to be far more personal 471 00:25:50,007 --> 00:25:53,177 than he could ever have imagined. 472 00:25:55,637 --> 00:25:59,391 KEENE: Well, we went to the battlefield, and all of a sudden 473 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:00,851 I couldn't breathe. 474 00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:05,022 I started crying, uh, I had burning tears 475 00:26:05,022 --> 00:26:06,940 running down my cheek, I didn't know what was going on. 476 00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:10,944 And, uh, I literally crawled up to the side of the road 477 00:26:10,944 --> 00:26:14,573 and, uh, got myself together, went back to the car. 478 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:19,328 On the, uh, way home, we stopped at a gift store, and, uh, 479 00:26:19,328 --> 00:26:20,829 there was a magazine there. 480 00:26:24,208 --> 00:26:26,251 The whole magazine was done on Antietam. 481 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:30,089 And when we got home, I was reading through, 482 00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:31,965 and came across a full‐figure picture 483 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:34,134 of General John B. Gordon. 484 00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:36,428 He was a colonel at the battle, 485 00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:39,306 and he'd been wounded five times, but he‐he survived. 486 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:44,436 And I looked at the face, and I told people 487 00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:47,439 I know the face very well. 488 00:26:47,439 --> 00:26:49,191 I shave it every morning. 489 00:26:49,191 --> 00:26:52,778 SHATNER: Jeffrey Keene. 490 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:55,864 Confederate General John B. Gordon. 491 00:26:55,864 --> 00:27:00,119 The resemblance is, in a word, uncanny. 492 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,704 So much so that Jeffrey began to wonder... 493 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,211 ...could the strange reaction he experienced 494 00:27:09,211 --> 00:27:10,462 while visiting Antietam 495 00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:15,717 be some sort of emotional echo? 496 00:27:15,717 --> 00:27:19,096 A connection that suggests that Jeffrey Keene 497 00:27:19,096 --> 00:27:24,643 is actually John B. Gordon reincarnated? 498 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,981 Reincarnation is the process that allows your soul 499 00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:31,650 to take on a new life, a new body. 500 00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:35,529 In other words, you are born in a human body, 501 00:27:35,529 --> 00:27:38,782 you finish that cycle, you are deceased, then you 502 00:27:38,782 --> 00:27:43,579 continue to recycle that soul from one body to the next while 503 00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:46,331 being within the same Earth plane. 504 00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,500 KEENE: A lot of people say to me, 505 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,878 "Why don't I remember lifetimes?" 506 00:27:50,878 --> 00:27:53,005 I say, "You do, you just don't realize that you do." 507 00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:56,174 There'll be haunting songs, 508 00:27:56,174 --> 00:28:00,679 a desire to go to certain places, countries and things. 509 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,515 The furniture that you use to decorate your house, 510 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,059 your hobbies, the clothes you wear, and so on. 511 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:12,190 SHATNER: Can departed souls really pass into new bodies? 512 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,526 And if so, what evidence might there be 513 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:18,196 to support such an incredible claim? 514 00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:22,367 According to Jeffrey Keene, there are signs 515 00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:27,039 that can be found once you know where to look for them. 516 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,875 KEENE: In Antietam, where Gordon was wounded, 517 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:33,795 he described that he had been shot through the right calf, 518 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:36,048 higher up on the same leg, 519 00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:38,550 and the left arm. 520 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,386 So I had a pretty good picture of where he'd been wounded. 521 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:44,139 Now, on my right leg, 522 00:28:44,139 --> 00:28:48,393 I have, uh, I guess you would call them varicose veins. 523 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:53,190 I only have them in two places: on my right calf, 524 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:54,942 higher up on the same leg. 525 00:28:54,942 --> 00:28:58,612 My left arm, I had a blood clot removed 526 00:28:58,612 --> 00:29:00,781 when I was in my 20s. 527 00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:02,574 It seems to me that, uh, 528 00:29:02,574 --> 00:29:05,619 could have been one of the places Gordon had been wounded. 529 00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:08,080 But you use the word "coincidence," 530 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,916 it can apply in some cases, 531 00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:13,752 uh, but there are small coincidences 532 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,088 and then there's big coincidences. 533 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:17,589 What I have is evidence. 534 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,174 I have very strong evidence. 535 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:23,929 SHATNER: Are Jeffrey Keene's scars 536 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:27,224 evidence that our souls are recycled back into this world 537 00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:29,142 after we die? 538 00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:32,604 According to some researchers, the answer is yes. 539 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,273 And they argue that further proof can be found 540 00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:38,276 not only in physical scars... 541 00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:41,238 but also in mental ones. 542 00:29:42,823 --> 00:29:44,950 There's been substantial research done 543 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:47,494 at the University of Virginia with children, 544 00:29:47,494 --> 00:29:49,830 showing that a subset of these children 545 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:52,457 remember times before they were born 546 00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:55,627 that are then confirmed by historical records. 547 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:59,339 And those data are very consistent with the idea 548 00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:01,633 that reincarnation is a real phenomenon. 549 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,469 COREY: The reason why it is significant 550 00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:07,347 to study children, it is because their memories 551 00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:09,975 are still fresh‐‐ they haven't been 552 00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,310 on the Earth for a very long time, so... 553 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:15,731 they still have that remembrance of the past life 554 00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:18,150 very vividly in their mind. 555 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:22,237 For example, one of the most famous reincarnation stories 556 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:25,198 is that of Shanti Devi. 557 00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:28,702 Shanti, since the age of four, kept telling her parents 558 00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:31,830 that she came from another town called Mathura. 559 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,707 After being interviewed by her teachers, 560 00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:38,170 she gives them the name of her husband, who was still alive 561 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:41,214 and lived in Mathura at that time. 562 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:44,551 They end up locating a merchant in Mathura 563 00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:49,222 whose wife had died ten days after giving birth to their son. 564 00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:51,975 Shanti recognizes him and says, 565 00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:54,686 "This is my husband, Kedar Nath." 566 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,690 She even says that he neglected to carry out the promises 567 00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,568 that he made on her deathbed. 568 00:31:01,568 --> 00:31:04,654 KINSELLA: Ultimately, Mahatma Gandhi set up a commission 569 00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:07,407 to determine whether or not this story was accurate, 570 00:31:07,407 --> 00:31:10,410 and the committee members decided that this was, in fact, 571 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:12,537 proof of reincarnation. 572 00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:15,207 KEENE: I don't think anybody should be forced 573 00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:16,708 to believe anything. 574 00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:18,627 But I know it's true to me. 575 00:31:18,627 --> 00:31:20,962 You have to make up your own mind. 576 00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:23,548 All I ask is you keep an open mind. 577 00:31:25,092 --> 00:31:28,303 If our souls can, in fact, be recycled, 578 00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:31,223 I hope mine doesn't get put in the shredder. 579 00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:33,225 But if, as many believe, 580 00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:38,480 we're locked in a never‐ending cycle of life and rebirth, 581 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,399 what happens when that cycle gets interrupted 582 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:44,903 and we're literally brought back from the dead? 583 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,739 Perhaps the answer can be found by meeting people 584 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:49,741 who not only returned, 585 00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,244 but have come back 586 00:31:52,244 --> 00:31:55,330 with extraordinary abilities. 587 00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:01,837 SHATNER: Seattle, Washington. 588 00:32:01,837 --> 00:32:05,132 December 1976. 589 00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:07,926 Research biologist, Joyce Hawkes, 590 00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:10,887 is spending a quiet Saturday at home. 591 00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:14,015 But on this particular day, 592 00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:16,726 something happens that will alter 593 00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:19,187 the course of her entire life. 594 00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:22,399 (whirring) 595 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,151 HAWKES: I was vacuuming 596 00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:28,446 right in front of my fireplace, and up on the ledge 597 00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:33,618 on the fireplace was a large, beautiful leaded glass window 598 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:36,121 that I'd purchased in an antique store. 599 00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:40,959 All of a sudden, this leaded glass window is coming at me. 600 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,296 And I like, "Ah," boom and it hits me. 601 00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:47,757 And all I remember then is just, all of a sudden, 602 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:50,468 in front of me was a long, dark tunnel, 603 00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:53,471 and at the end was this bright light. 604 00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:55,307 And I was drawn to it. 605 00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:58,977 Then I passed through the entrance to the light 606 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:02,606 and I was in a place of rolling hills 607 00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:06,193 and beautiful color. 608 00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,325 And then, bang, I'm back, 609 00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:17,829 all of a sudden, on the floor in my living room. 610 00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:21,625 SHATNER: In the months after her near‐death experience, 611 00:33:21,625 --> 00:33:23,460 Joyce hoped to return to normalcy 612 00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:26,713 and resume her scientific work in the lab. 613 00:33:26,713 --> 00:33:29,507 But she soon realized that, after her brush 614 00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:33,678 with the afterlife, nothing would be the same. 615 00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:36,348 Because Joyce now had the ability 616 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:40,852 to see things that no one else could. 617 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,855 What I noticed is I could see inside people's bodies, 618 00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:45,523 I could read their bodies. 619 00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:48,193 And there are times when I actually can look 620 00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:51,363 into people's bodies and see something going on 621 00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:53,657 that hasn't been diagnosed. 622 00:33:53,657 --> 00:33:56,868 I resigned my position at the lab 623 00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,830 and I started seeing individuals in the basement of my house. 624 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:04,918 One time, a woman came to me and was on the treatment table 625 00:34:04,918 --> 00:34:09,089 and, all of a sudden, her abdomen opened up 626 00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:12,717 and I saw a small tumor in a very precise location. 627 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:15,887 And I said, "Please go to your doctor and have it checked out." 628 00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:18,556 She had to have surgery, and it saved her 629 00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:22,811 from having a very serious kind of uterine cancer. 630 00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,398 KINSELLA: In the case of near‐death experiences, 631 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:30,694 a number of people report developing heightened intuition, 632 00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:33,154 gaining some kind of psychic ability. 633 00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:36,574 They report manifestations of the paranormal that seem to be 634 00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:39,786 much more common after these kinds of experiences. 635 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:43,248 MISHLOVE: A materialistic scientist would say, "How can that be? 636 00:34:43,248 --> 00:34:45,250 These things don't exist at all," 637 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:49,170 but, in fact, they're reported hundreds and hundreds of times. 638 00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:54,801 HAWKES: There's something beyond the neurons, 639 00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:57,762 the astrocytes, the glial cells, in our brain 640 00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,973 going "jun, jun, jun, jun." 641 00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:04,269 Something beyond that which we have awareness of. 642 00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:09,316 SHATNER: The power to see through flesh 643 00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:13,278 and diagnose ailments might seem preposterous. 644 00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,947 But could it be true? 645 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:18,617 Is it possible that when Joyce Hawkes nearly died, 646 00:35:18,617 --> 00:35:24,623 she came back with psychic abilities that defy explanation? 647 00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:27,250 Perhaps the answers can be found by examining cases 648 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:32,422 in which people claim to not only see someone's ailment, 649 00:35:32,422 --> 00:35:34,382 but also heal it. 650 00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:37,427 Richmond, Virginia. 651 00:35:37,427 --> 00:35:40,305 September 5, 2005. 652 00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:42,474 David Schwartz goes to the hospital to be treated 653 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:46,936 for what he believes is a nagging ear infection. 654 00:35:46,936 --> 00:35:51,608 But in fact, his illness is much, much worse. 655 00:35:51,608 --> 00:35:54,069 DAVID SCHWARTZ: I checked myself into the emergency room. 656 00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:55,945 That was Monday afternoon. 657 00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:59,699 And by Tuesday afternoon, I was in a coma. 658 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,951 My kidneys were shut down, 659 00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:05,372 all of my organs were failing and the blood flow was lost 660 00:36:05,372 --> 00:36:09,292 in my brain stem as well, which would have meant brain death. 661 00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:12,504 They told my mom and my dad that, 662 00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:15,340 really, that I had a limited amount of time left. 663 00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:19,511 SHATNER: With their son facing certain death due to kidney failure, 664 00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:22,013 David's parents were willing to try anything 665 00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:24,015 that might help him. 666 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:28,019 So they reached out to Scarlett Heinbuch, a woman who, 667 00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:31,690 after having a near‐death experience in childhood, 668 00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:36,820 claimed to be gifted with incredible healing powers. 669 00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:38,655 SCARLETT HEINBUCH: When I walked in David's hospital room 670 00:36:38,655 --> 00:36:40,532 for the first time, I knew he was near death. 671 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:42,951 He was unconscious and I took his hand 672 00:36:42,951 --> 00:36:46,204 and I'm standing right by his bedside when, all of a sudden, 673 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,873 I was out of my body, in another realm. 674 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:52,252 And he was hovering there and there was soul connection 675 00:36:52,252 --> 00:36:55,046 and I felt him with every fiber of my being, 676 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:58,842 and he made a decision at that point to come back. 677 00:37:01,344 --> 00:37:03,888 SCHWARTZ: When I first awoke and saw Scarlett, 678 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,558 I had the sense that I knew who she was, 679 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,393 and I knew everything about her. 680 00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:12,188 HEINBUCH: David looked up at me and, all of a sudden, 681 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,400 the next thing I was aware of was that I was 682 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,861 seeing four beings. 683 00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:20,655 They were tall and they were colored blue. 684 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:24,701 I saw them manifesting a set of kidneys, if you will. 685 00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:28,663 I saw the kidneys being dropped into his body. 686 00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:32,876 David's recovery after that was so stunning that the doctors 687 00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:36,421 and nurses at this hospital called him "miracle boy." 688 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,423 SCHWARTZ: When I came out of the coma, 689 00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:40,633 it was absolutely because we had an experience. 690 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:42,886 I don't know what happened there, 691 00:37:42,886 --> 00:37:45,430 but I do know that it happened, 692 00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:47,390 because the doctors told me that they didn't have an explanation 693 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:50,101 as to why I was making the recovery that I was making. 694 00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:55,899 SHATNER: Today, David Schwartz has two fully functioning kidneys, 695 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:58,860 and both he and Scarlett Heinbuch have no doubt 696 00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,154 in their minds that it was the powerful connection 697 00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:05,700 between their souls that saved David's life. 698 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:10,455 Are stories like those of Joyce Hawkes and Scarlett Heinbuch 699 00:38:10,455 --> 00:38:13,625 evidence that the soul is real, 700 00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:15,460 and can actually become empowered 701 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:19,631 with strange and otherworldly abilities? 702 00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:22,926 According to people who study near‐death experiences, 703 00:38:22,926 --> 00:38:26,554 the answer is a profound yes. 704 00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:31,643 And they also insist that these tales of strange coincidences 705 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:35,647 and psychic connections are really meant to assure us 706 00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:38,525 that we are all very much connected, 707 00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:43,404 and not only in the ways we've been taught to imagine. 708 00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:53,665 SHATNER: Everything that lives must also eventually die. 709 00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:58,503 And yet, for people who believe they've touched or been touched 710 00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:01,714 by what they refer to as the other side, 711 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:04,342 death is not an ending, 712 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,971 but a gateway toward a new beginning. 713 00:39:07,971 --> 00:39:11,683 They live with a certainty that the rest of us will never have. 714 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:15,562 That is, until we die. 715 00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:17,564 (siren wails) 716 00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:20,400 KINSELLA: I think near‐death experiences and related phenomena 717 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,905 are so fascinating, frustrating and mysterious 718 00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:29,701 because the footprints they leave behind are very muddied. 719 00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:33,413 And what I mean by that is there seems to be enough proof, 720 00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:37,625 enough anecdotal evidence, to where if people really want 721 00:39:37,625 --> 00:39:40,420 to believe these stories, they want to believe this phenomena, 722 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:41,880 they certainly can. 723 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,425 But for those that are absolutely certain 724 00:39:45,425 --> 00:39:50,054 that these experiences are, by and large, byproducts 725 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:55,101 of naturalistic phenomena, like, maybe biological stress, 726 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:58,104 then there certainly is not enough compelling evidence 727 00:39:58,104 --> 00:40:02,275 that would be able to‐to shift them over. 728 00:40:02,275 --> 00:40:06,279 HAWKES: I've heard that near‐death experiences 729 00:40:06,279 --> 00:40:10,867 are really some kind of vision or sleep experience. 730 00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:13,703 For myself, I know it wasn't, because I know 731 00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:18,541 what my dreams were like, and this was so different than that. 732 00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:22,754 It's far beyond a dream state, or a state 733 00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:25,298 where there's no oxygen to the brain 734 00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:29,594 and you have some kind of weird thing that lasts. 735 00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:32,305 Now, before my coma, I thought, well, it's just a hallucination. 736 00:40:32,305 --> 00:40:33,932 It's a trick of the dying brain. 737 00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:38,436 So, in many ways, it was very refreshing to me 738 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:40,438 as I came out of this experience, 739 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,565 and‐and especially in those months after my coma. 740 00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:45,526 I came to realize that there are a number of scientists, 741 00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:48,821 literally hundreds of scientists around the world, 742 00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:50,323 who have been studying these problems 743 00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:52,700 very diligently for decades, 744 00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,788 and they're actually making tremendous progress. 745 00:40:56,788 --> 00:41:00,875 BERLIN: It's that there might be energies, forces, 746 00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:02,627 things that we haven't yet discovered 747 00:41:02,627 --> 00:41:05,588 that we may never discover. 748 00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:08,383 And however you want to fill in that gap, 749 00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:12,845 whether it's mysticism, spirituality, religion, 750 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,933 I think that's left to each individual person. 751 00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:25,984 SHATNER: Near‐death experiences, 752 00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:29,112 the psychic connections between identical twins 753 00:41:29,112 --> 00:41:32,991 and tales of reincarnation. 754 00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:36,577 Are these all evidence that there really is a soul? 755 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,038 Or is it that we're all so desperate to believe 756 00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,207 in our own immortality 757 00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:44,252 that we look for evidence to reassure ourselves 758 00:41:44,252 --> 00:41:48,172 that death is not really the end? 759 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:51,968 Well, when that day comes, 760 00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:55,930 we will not only learn the truth, but also the answers 761 00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:58,307 to all the other mysteries that are, until then, 762 00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:00,560 The UnXplained. 763 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,187 CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY A+E NETWORKS 62368

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