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SOLDIER:
Fire!
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WILLIAM SHATNER:
Eerie recollections...
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of someone else's memories.
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Two people who share one mind.
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And people who have been able
to see their own bodies
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while at the point of death.
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What happens to us after we die?
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Do our memories
or our personalitiesââ
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everything that makes us
who we areââ
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does it all just... disappear?
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Or do we have a consciousness,
aâa soul...
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that lives on?
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Well, that is what
we'll try and find out.
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âȘ âȘ
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(wind whistling)
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SHATNER:
Lynchburg, Virginia.
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November 10, 2008.
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Accomplished neurosurgeon,
Dr. Eben Alexander,
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is rushed to the hospital
after suffering
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from severe back spasms
and headaches.
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After performing a spinal tap,
doctors discover that
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his spine and brain are swollen
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with a thick,
pusâfilled liquidââ
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the sign of a deadly
meningitis infection.
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Shortly afterward,
Dr. Alexander slips into a coma.
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His brain begins shutting down.
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My brain was being overrun
by an extremely primitive,
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aggressive bacterial infection.
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One that is almost
uniformly fatal.
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Some of the fundamental
brain stem reflexes were absent.
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My pupils weren't responding.
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My neocortex was
horribly damaged.
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People just don't come back
from this kind of meningitis.
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My doctors called
my family together,
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and they felt that there was
no chance for recovery.
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SHATNER:
As a surgeon, Dr. Alexander
helped save the lives
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of countless others.
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Now he lies helpless,
at the mercy
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of the killer bacteria
that is whittling
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his brain function
down to nothing.
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But then,
something remarkable happens.
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I was in very deep coma.
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My brain was fully inflamed
from this.
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All eight lobes were involved.
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Uh, there was really
no place in my brain
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for any kind of
conscious experience to happen.
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SHATNER:
After clinging to life
by the barest of threads,
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Dr. Alexander eventually makes
an extraordinary recoveryââ
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one that baffles his physicians.
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But perhaps even more baffling
is the inexplicable array
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of sensations that Dr. Alexander
believes he experienced
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while in a coma.
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I was rescued by this
slowly spinning white light
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that came packaged
with a perfect musical melody.
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I felt a sensation
of going through a tunnel,
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being lifted up
out of space and time,
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and that opened up
into this rich ultraâreal valley
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that I call the Gateway Valley.
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It was an incredible,
beautiful scene,
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and yet, the most
profound mystery.
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SHATNER:
Did Dr. Alexander experience
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a hallucination?
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Or was he really given a glimpse
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into a life beyond
the one we know?
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A life beyond death?
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If true,
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the idea is almost
too incredible to comprehend.
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But consider this: Dr. Alexander
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is just one of millions who,
at the point of death,
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claim to have taken the same,
virtually identical journeyââ
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a journey which is
collectively referred to
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as a nearâdeath experience.
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GREGORY SHUSHAN:
A nearâdeath experience is when
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somebody dies clinically,
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and they come back to life
and describe having had
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strange experiences,
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such as traveling
through darkness,
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emerging into another realm,
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meeting deceased relatives
or a being of light,
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traveling back to the body,
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often being told to go back to
the body by this being of light.
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Raymond Moody was really
the pioneering figure
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in the scientific study
of nearâdeath experiences,
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who wrote a book called
Life After Life.
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Before Moody came along,
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you had descriptions
of these accounts,
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but nobody called it
a nearâdeath experience.
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In the United States,
about 800 people a day
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report that they're having
nearâdeath experiences.
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And if you think about that
over the course of years
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and across the whole world,
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that's probably
millions of people,
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which makes me think that
this is a real phenomenon.
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People are really
experiencing this.
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They're not making it up.
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Before my coma, I fully bought
into the, uh, teachings,
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uh, that the physical world
is all that exists.
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That's kind of the conventional
scientific model.
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But when I first opened my eyes
in that ICU bed,
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my brain was absolutely wrecked,
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and all I remembered
was where I'd been,
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that extraordinary
spiritual journey deep in coma.
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That's why nearâdeath
experiencers
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come back to this world
and realize
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that we are eternal
spiritual beings
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and that our physical body
is only a vessel
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that serves our soul
in transition
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through this phase
of our journey.
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SHATNER:
The soul?
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The intangible essence of who we
are that lives on after we die?
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If the nearâdeath experiences
reported by millions
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have, in fact, really happened
as described,
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then could this be proof
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that the soul actually exists,
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and that there really is
some form of life
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beyond death?
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The concept of the soul
is one of the deepest,
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most farâreaching questions
in all of science,
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and for that matter,
in all of human history.
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Throughout history,
poets, philosophers have tried
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to single out what is the soul,
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what is the essence
of what makes us human?
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It speaks to our yearning
for more time.
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To go beyond
the short amount of time
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that's been given us
as human beings.
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If you look to questions
about the soul,
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you see that these really speak
to our fears, our desires,
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what we want most
and what matters most.
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SHATNER:
Not surprisingly,
not everyone's convinced
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that the soul really exists.
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As far as many in the scientific
community are concerned,
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it is little more
than a concept brought about
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by wishful thinking.
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KAKU:
There is a theory
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that says that people
who are prone
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to have these nearâdeath
experiences are also prone
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to have lots of dream activity
during REM sleep.
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Maybe they were hallucinating,
or some people think that, aha,
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maybe that could explain
nearâdeath experience.
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I would maintain,
along with virtually everybody
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who is engaged in the study
of nearâdeath experiences,
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that these are not aberrations,
these are not hallucinations.
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How is it possible
that people are having
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such rich conscious experiences
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when the brain itself
is not functioning?
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There's a case report
in September 2018
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in the Journal of Nervous
and Mental Disease on my case,
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and it makes it clear to anyone
in the medical profession
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that I was deathly ill and that
my brain was terribly devastated
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by this infection
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and should not have been able
to produce
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any kind of consciousness.
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From my point of view,
death of the physical body
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is not the end of the
conscious awareness.
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Nearâdeath experiences
are showing us,
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in no uncertain fashion,
that we are souls
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living in a spiritual universe
and that all the major factors
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involved in the events
of our lives
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have to do with that
soul journey
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and with that spiritual nature.
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SHATNER:
Consciousness in the absence
of brain activity?
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According to mainstream
scientists,
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such a thing is not possible.
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But what if they're
missing the target?
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Perhaps the answer can be found
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by investigating
further evidence that,
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not only does a soul exist,
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but it might actually be
transplanted
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from one body to another.
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SHATNER:
Atlanta, Georgia.
December 1992.
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17âyearâold Amy Tippins
is having difficulty breathing.
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Suspecting that she has
some form of pneumonia,
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she makes an appointment
with her family doctor.
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But the actual diagnosis
she receives is,
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in a word, shocking.
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TIPPINS:
My senior year of high school,
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I started developing
what I thought was pneumonia,
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and then when they went in
to do some further testing,
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they realized
I didn't have pneumonia,
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it was actually a tumor
pushing on my diaphragm
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and making it much harder
for me to breathe,
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and I was in full liver failure.
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They said, "She'll," you know,
"she needs to have a transplant
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or she'll hemorrhage to death."
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SHATNER:
With time running out,
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Amy received her new liver
and survived.
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But in the months
following her transplant,
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she found herself exhibiting
interests and abilities
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that were, not only new to her,
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but also surprising.
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TIPPINS:
Not long after surgery,
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some things about myself and
some of my traits had changed.
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Within a couple of years
of my transplant,
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I really started
to love projects,
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like replacing flooring
on my own.
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I never saw flooring
being put in.
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I never saw anything
like that being done.
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What I discovered
is it was actually fun
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to work with my hands.
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Just kind of go,
"Huh, that's interesting."
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SHATNER:
Of course,
it isn't surprising that people
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who have had lifesaving
transplant operations
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often report experiencing
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âa new outlook on life.
â(heart beating)
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But new interests?
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New personality traits?
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Is it possible that Amy Tippins
was getting these
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from somewhere else?
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I knew my donor was a male,
I knew he was 47
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and that he had been killed in a
car wreck in Columbus, Georgia.
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So I went to the library
and I started
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looking up obituaries
from that time.
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And I kind of backed
into his obituary,
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and backed into figuring out
who he was.
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What I discovered
is he was a police officer.
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He was 47 and his name was Mike.
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His sister told me that he did a
lot of his own home renovation.
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He also liked
to work with his hands.
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He liked to do projects.
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When I found out who my donor
was, it made a lot more sense
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on why some things about myself
and some of my traits
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had changed after transplant.
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SHATNER:
Personality traits and even
recreational interests
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coming from
a transplanted organ?
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Is such a bizarre notion
even scientifically possible?
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I've had clients
come to the office
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who've had organ transplants
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who are baffled
by what they experience,
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and some did have memories
that were foreign to them.
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And then somehow or other found
out what the person was like
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whose organ that they now have,
and it matches.
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It's unusual, and I don't have
an explanation for it.
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MISHLOVE:
They very often report not only
the memories of the donor
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but sometimes the behavioral
patterns of the donor.
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It certainly suggests
that memory
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andâand even behavior patterns
can be embedded
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in these organs in ways
that science has no clue.
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GARY SCHWARTZ:
After looking at all the cases
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that we had access to,
I developed a theory about how
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if the brain can learn,
then other organs
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like the heart or the lungs
or the liver could learn.
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We analyzed ten
of the best cases
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where theââ it was clear
that the individual
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had these kinds
of personality changes,
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and it was only later that
they then met family members.
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(indistinct radio chatter)
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One case in particular
was of a young boy
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who had been killed
in a driveâby shooting,
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and his heart was donated
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to a foundry worker
who was 47 years old.
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What happened was he developed
a passion for classical music.
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And then he subsequently
ended up meeting the mother
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of this young boy, and he
learned that this young man
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was taking
classical violin lessons
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and literally was shot as he was
leaving his music lessons.
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From my point of view,
it simply goes to show
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that as much as we want
to pretend that things
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like mind and consciousness
and personality
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are all stuck in the brain,
um, they're really not.
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SHATNER:
Could our memories,
our identities,
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even our consciousness, be
stored in not just our brains,
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but within each and every part
of our bodies?
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If that's true, could these
traits also be inherited,
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just like the color of our eyes
or the size of our ears?
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According to a groundbreaking
study conducted
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at the Icahn School of Medicine
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at Mount Sinai Hospital
in New York City,
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the answer might just be
a resounding yes.
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About 25 years ago, we began
studying the adult children
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of Holocaust survivors.
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And what we learned
was that Holocaust offspring
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were more likely
to have been diagnosed
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with mood and anxiety disorders.
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And we were able to observe
epigenetic changes
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on, actually, two small segments
of two stressârelated genes,
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which really captured
our attention.
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Then you start to wonder
why a child of a trauma survivor
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would have such a change
on their DNA.
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Is there a way that information
somehow stays with us,
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maybe in our germ cells,
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maybe in other places, and then
somehow, they are passed?
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SCHWARTZ:
The findings about
the crossâgenerational
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parent transfer from Holocaust
survivors to their children,
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is evidence that the, uh,
the body itself
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is a much more exquisite system
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for storing energy information
about our lives.
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And that that information
could not only be transferred
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in the case
of an organ transplant,
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but it also could be transferred
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and continued
across generations.
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KINSELLA:
Studies like this are suggesting
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that we really don't know
how mind, how memory,
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how experience work, we don't
know how that resonates
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with us in body.
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HAWKES:
I think it's very clear
that there's something
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about us as beings
that's beyond the brain,
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and people have
used the word soul or spirit.
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It's one of those very curious
and unexplained mysteries
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of who are we
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and what comes
and goes with our bodies,
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our cells, our organs.
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His DNA is still
in my bloodstream,
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and they say
that DNA carries memories.
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To this day, I still continue to
find out information about him.
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I'd go, "Huh, that's interesting
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in how it relates to me."
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Can transplanted organs
really contain
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some part of
the donor's identity?
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Conventional medicine believes
the notion is farâfetched.
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So how do you explain
what we just saw?
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Is our life experience encoded
not just in our brain
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but throughout our entire body?
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Perhaps the answer
can be found by examining
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whether such a connection exists
between two people
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who are physically identical
in every way.
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Twins.
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SHATNER:
Los Angeles, California.
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March 2004.
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Linda Jamison is out
for a romantic evening
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when she becomes struck
by a strange
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and overpowering sensation.
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Something in her tells her that
her identical twin sister Terry
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is in mortal danger.
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LINDA:
While I was on a date
with a guy,
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in the middle of the dinner,
I said, "Oh, my gosh,
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"I... I have this
horrible feeling.
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"I have to get home
to see if Terry's okay,
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'cause I don't feel she's okay."
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And when I went home,
I went up to our apartment,
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and Terry was lying in bed,
unable to speak or hear.
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And, I mean,
it was so terrifying.
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It was kind of like a weird
virus that had taken me over...
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âIt was a virus.
â...like, very quickly.
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(siren wailing)
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And she got me to the ER just
in time and they said, "Wow,
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you could have died."
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SHATNER:
Faced with what could have been
a fatal viral infection,
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Terry was saved
in the nick of time.
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But was Linda's belief
that her sister was in danger
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merely a coincidence,
or was it something more?
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Twins share more than genes.
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They've shared
an intrauterine environment.
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They've shared a set
of early experiences together.
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They have been there with each
other through early attachments
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and early developmental
milestones.
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So the idea that twins feel
really connected to each other
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is not very surprising.
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LINDA:
It's a weird thing
to describe to singletons,
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but we've always had
that mysterious bond,
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that special bond twins have
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where they can feel
each other's pain
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or they can determine
what's gonna happen next
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âwith the other twin.
âWe're just always intuiting
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what the other wants
or what the other twin needs
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or, you know,
helping each other constantly.
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SHATNER:
Twins,
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each one constantly in sync
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with what the other
wants or needs?
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It is often said that the bond
between twins is so strong,
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they can actually read
each other's minds.
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But is that just an expression,
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or could it be true?
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Studies that were done
in Copenhagen and in London
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took monozygotic pairsââ
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so really, really twins,
absolute identical DNAââ
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isolated them, and then,
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for one of them, uh,
was subjected
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to different kinds of shocks.
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The distant twin was wired up
with polygraph equipment.
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So these were designed to see
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what was happening
in the distant twin.
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But one shock would have been
literally an electric shock,
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another would be that, at a time
that they didn't know,
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somebody behind them would drop
a whole bunch of plates,
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make a big racket.
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So they found roughly
eight to ten percent
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of the twins that were tested
showed that there was
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some kind of a correlation
between one person
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getting a shock and the other
person responding.
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30% of twins report a telepathic
connection with their twin,
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and it is because they're
sharing a similar genetic code
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on some level,
but on another level,
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they're also connected
on a soul level
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that allows them to stay
in this telepathic communication
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at all times.
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But we also called it
"twin tuition,"
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because there was no word
to describe that weird,
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you know, mysterious feeling
where your twin is suffering
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somewhere, and you pick up on it
somehow and even feel
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the physical pain
that that twin is feeling.
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It's very eerie.
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(heart beating)
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SHATNER:
Despite the claims
of Linda and Terry Jamison,
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and thousands more like them,
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skeptics often argue
that what is interpreted
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as a psychic connection
between twins
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is merely a misinterpretation
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of the fondness
they have for each other.
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But if identical twins
really do share
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an inexplicable attachment,
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then perhaps evidence
of this link can be found
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in cases of twins who have
remarkable similarities,
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even though
they were raised separately.
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00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:02,571
So I've been working with twins
raised apart for many years.
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And we find that identical twins
do show many traits in common,
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even after years of separation.
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00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:13,332
So for example, the Jim twins,
Jim Lewis and Jim Springer,
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00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:16,377
grew up in Ohio
about 30 or 40 miles apart.
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00:22:16,377 --> 00:22:19,547
And they had a long list
of similarities.
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For one thing, they both had
woodworking benches
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00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:26,178
in their houses;
they both loved to do woodwork.
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They both had dogs named Toy,
and they both had older sons
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that they named James Allen.
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Both of them worked partâtime
as sheriffs,
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00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:38,357
both drove light blue
Chevrolets, and they both
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00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:40,901
used to vacation
on the same threeâblock strip
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of beach in Florida.
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We don't know the reason
for that, but the point is
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that when you see these
similarities repeated
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in identical twins raised apart,
and not in fraternals,
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00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:54,206
it creates a whole new set
of hypotheses
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00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,833
that you can begin to explore.
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TERRY:
Whether people want to look
at the evidence,
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that's up to them.
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00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:04,884
And we're not trying to convince
anyone, but it's a weird thing.
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00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:07,052
It's like we're two wings
of a bird.
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00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:10,389
We believe that we were
bifurcatedââ
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a bifurcated soulââ which means
one soul with two bodies.
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SHATNER:
If one soul can be shared
between two people,
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as Linda and Terry Jamison
believe, could it also explain
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00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:28,949
how twins appear to communicate
with each other telepathically?
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And if so, does this
shared consciousness
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simply go away
after one of them dies?
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Perhaps the answer can be found
by hearing the story of a man
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who believes his soul
doesn't just serve one body...
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00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,677
...but several.
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SHATNER:
Sharpsburg, Maryland.
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May 1991.
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00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:02,483
Connecticut fire chief,
Jeffrey Keene,
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is on a road trip with his wife
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00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:07,821
when suddenly he feels
a strange urge
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00:24:07,821 --> 00:24:10,449
to make a detour.
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00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:13,160
My wife and I, uh,
like to go antique hunting,
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00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,454
and we had been
through Pennsylvania
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00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,665
and headed down into Maryland.
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We were very near where
the Battle of Antietam
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had been fought,
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and I was always impressed
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00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,802
with the bravery of the men
that fought in the Civil War.
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It strikes a chord in you.
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So I asked my wife
if it was okay if we, uh,
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take a little side trip
to go see the battlefield.
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SOLDIER:
Fire!
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SHATNER:
On September 17, 1862,
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Union forces cornered
Confederate troops
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near Antietam Creek
as they attempted an incursion
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00:24:52,282 --> 00:24:53,492
into Maryland.
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It was the first major battle
of the Civil War
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to take place on Union soil.
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All told, almost
125,000 soldiers took part
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00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:12,594
in the fighting.
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And by day's end,
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the battlefield
was soaked with the blood
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of more than 22,000 souls.
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Now, nearly 130 years later,
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00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:35,492
Jeffrey Keene and his wife
arrived at the battlefield,
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hoping to experience
a bit of this history.
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But while visiting the site,
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00:25:41,707 --> 00:25:46,128
Jeffrey had
a very different experience,
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one that would prove to be
far more personal
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than he could ever
have imagined.
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KEENE:
Well, we went to the
battlefield, and all of a sudden
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I couldn't breathe.
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I started crying, uh,
I had burning tears
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00:26:05,022 --> 00:26:06,940
running down my cheek,
I didn't know what was going on.
476
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:10,944
And, uh, I literally crawled up
to the side of the road
477
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and, uh, got myself together,
went back to the car.
478
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:19,328
On the, uh, way home, we stopped
at a gift store, and, uh,
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there was a magazine there.
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The whole magazine
was done on Antietam.
481
00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:30,089
And when we got home,
I was reading through,
482
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and came across
a fullâfigure picture
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00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:34,134
of General John B. Gordon.
484
00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:36,428
He was a colonel at the battle,
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00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:39,306
and he'd been wounded
five times, but heâhe survived.
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And I looked at the face,
and I told people
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I know the face very well.
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I shave it every morning.
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SHATNER:
Jeffrey Keene.
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00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:55,864
Confederate General
John B. Gordon.
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The resemblance is,
in a word, uncanny.
492
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,704
So much so that Jeffrey began
to wonder...
493
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,211
...could the strange reaction
he experienced
494
00:27:09,211 --> 00:27:10,462
while visiting Antietam
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00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:15,717
be some sort of emotional echo?
496
00:27:15,717 --> 00:27:19,096
A connection that suggests
that Jeffrey Keene
497
00:27:19,096 --> 00:27:24,643
is actually
John B. Gordon reincarnated?
498
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,981
Reincarnation is the process
that allows your soul
499
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:31,650
to take on a new life,
a new body.
500
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:35,529
In other words, you are born
in a human body,
501
00:27:35,529 --> 00:27:38,782
you finish that cycle,
you are deceased, then you
502
00:27:38,782 --> 00:27:43,579
continue to recycle that soul
from one body to the next while
503
00:27:43,579 --> 00:27:46,331
being within
the same Earth plane.
504
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:48,500
KEENE:
A lot of people say to me,
505
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,878
"Why don't I remember
lifetimes?"
506
00:27:50,878 --> 00:27:53,005
I say, "You do, you just
don't realize that you do."
507
00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:56,174
There'll be haunting songs,
508
00:27:56,174 --> 00:28:00,679
a desire to go to certain
places, countries and things.
509
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,515
The furniture that you use
to decorate your house,
510
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,059
your hobbies, the clothes
you wear, and so on.
511
00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:12,190
SHATNER:
Can departed souls
really pass into new bodies?
512
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,526
And if so,
what evidence might there be
513
00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:18,196
to support
such an incredible claim?
514
00:28:18,196 --> 00:28:22,367
According to Jeffrey Keene,
there are signs
515
00:28:22,367 --> 00:28:27,039
that can be found once you know
where to look for them.
516
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,875
KEENE:
In Antietam,
where Gordon was wounded,
517
00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:33,795
he described that he had been
shot through the right calf,
518
00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:36,048
higher up on the same leg,
519
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:38,550
and the left arm.
520
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,386
So I had a pretty good picture
of where he'd been wounded.
521
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:44,139
Now, on my right leg,
522
00:28:44,139 --> 00:28:48,393
I have, uh, I guess you would
call them varicose veins.
523
00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:53,190
I only have them in two places:
on my right calf,
524
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:54,942
higher up on the same leg.
525
00:28:54,942 --> 00:28:58,612
My left arm,
I had a blood clot removed
526
00:28:58,612 --> 00:29:00,781
when I was in my 20s.
527
00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:02,574
It seems to me that, uh,
528
00:29:02,574 --> 00:29:05,619
could have been one of the
places Gordon had been wounded.
529
00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:08,080
But you use
the word "coincidence,"
530
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,916
it can apply in some cases,
531
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:13,752
uh, but there are
small coincidences
532
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:16,088
and then there's
big coincidences.
533
00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:17,589
What I have is evidence.
534
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,174
I have very strong evidence.
535
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:23,929
SHATNER:
Are Jeffrey Keene's scars
536
00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:27,224
evidence that our souls are
recycled back into this world
537
00:29:27,224 --> 00:29:29,142
after we die?
538
00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:32,604
According to some researchers,
the answer is yes.
539
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,273
And they argue
that further proof can be found
540
00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:38,276
not only in physical scars...
541
00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:41,238
but also in mental ones.
542
00:29:42,823 --> 00:29:44,950
There's been
substantial research done
543
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:47,494
at the University of Virginia
with children,
544
00:29:47,494 --> 00:29:49,830
showing that a subset
of these children
545
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:52,457
remember times
before they were born
546
00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:55,627
that are then confirmed
by historical records.
547
00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:59,339
And those data are
very consistent with the idea
548
00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:01,633
that reincarnation
is a real phenomenon.
549
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,469
COREY:
The reason why it is significant
550
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:07,347
to study children,
it is because their memories
551
00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:09,975
are still freshââ
they haven't been
552
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,310
on the Earth
for a very long time, so...
553
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:15,731
they still have that remembrance
of the past life
554
00:30:15,731 --> 00:30:18,150
very vividly in their mind.
555
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:22,237
For example, one of the most
famous reincarnation stories
556
00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:25,198
is that of Shanti Devi.
557
00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:28,702
Shanti, since the age of four,
kept telling her parents
558
00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:31,830
that she came from another town
called Mathura.
559
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,707
After being interviewed
by her teachers,
560
00:30:33,707 --> 00:30:38,170
she gives them the name of
her husband, who was still alive
561
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:41,214
and lived in Mathura
at that time.
562
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:44,551
They end up locating
a merchant in Mathura
563
00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:49,222
whose wife had died ten days
after giving birth to their son.
564
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:51,975
Shanti recognizes him and says,
565
00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:54,686
"This is my husband,
Kedar Nath."
566
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:58,690
She even says that he neglected
to carry out the promises
567
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:01,568
that he made on her deathbed.
568
00:31:01,568 --> 00:31:04,654
KINSELLA:
Ultimately, Mahatma Gandhi
set up a commission
569
00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:07,407
to determine whether or not
this story was accurate,
570
00:31:07,407 --> 00:31:10,410
and the committee members
decided that this was, in fact,
571
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:12,537
proof of reincarnation.
572
00:31:12,537 --> 00:31:15,207
KEENE:
I don't think anybody
should be forced
573
00:31:15,207 --> 00:31:16,708
to believe anything.
574
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:18,627
But I know it's true to me.
575
00:31:18,627 --> 00:31:20,962
You have to make up
your own mind.
576
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:23,548
All I ask is
you keep an open mind.
577
00:31:25,092 --> 00:31:28,303
If our souls can,
in fact, be recycled,
578
00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:31,223
I hope mine doesn't get put
in the shredder.
579
00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:33,225
But if, as many believe,
580
00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:38,480
we're locked in a neverâending
cycle of life and rebirth,
581
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,399
what happens when that cycle
gets interrupted
582
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:44,903
and we're literally
brought back from the dead?
583
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,739
Perhaps the answer
can be found by meeting people
584
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:49,741
who not only returned,
585
00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,244
but have come back
586
00:31:52,244 --> 00:31:55,330
with extraordinary abilities.
587
00:31:59,376 --> 00:32:01,837
SHATNER:
Seattle, Washington.
588
00:32:01,837 --> 00:32:05,132
December 1976.
589
00:32:05,132 --> 00:32:07,926
Research biologist,
Joyce Hawkes,
590
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:10,887
is spending
a quiet Saturday at home.
591
00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:14,015
But on this particular day,
592
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:16,726
something happens
that will alter
593
00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:19,187
the course of her entire life.
594
00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:22,399
(whirring)
595
00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,151
HAWKES:
I was vacuuming
596
00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:28,446
right in front of my fireplace,
and up on the ledge
597
00:32:28,446 --> 00:32:33,618
on the fireplace was a large,
beautiful leaded glass window
598
00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:36,121
that I'd purchased
in an antique store.
599
00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:40,959
All of a sudden, this leaded
glass window is coming at me.
600
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,296
And I like, "Ah,"
boom and it hits me.
601
00:32:44,296 --> 00:32:47,757
And all I remember then
is just, all of a sudden,
602
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:50,468
in front of me
was a long, dark tunnel,
603
00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:53,471
and at the end
was this bright light.
604
00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:55,307
And I was drawn to it.
605
00:32:55,307 --> 00:32:58,977
Then I passed through
the entrance to the light
606
00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:02,606
and I was in a place
of rolling hills
607
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:06,193
and beautiful color.
608
00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,325
And then, bang, I'm back,
609
00:33:13,325 --> 00:33:17,829
all of a sudden,
on the floor in my living room.
610
00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:21,625
SHATNER:
In the months after her
nearâdeath experience,
611
00:33:21,625 --> 00:33:23,460
Joyce hoped
to return to normalcy
612
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:26,713
and resume her scientific work
in the lab.
613
00:33:26,713 --> 00:33:29,507
But she soon realized that,
after her brush
614
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:33,678
with the afterlife,
nothing would be the same.
615
00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:36,348
Because Joyce
now had the ability
616
00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:40,852
to see things
that no one else could.
617
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,855
What I noticed is I could see
inside people's bodies,
618
00:33:43,855 --> 00:33:45,523
I could read their bodies.
619
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:48,193
And there are times
when I actually can look
620
00:33:48,193 --> 00:33:51,363
into people's bodies
and see something going on
621
00:33:51,363 --> 00:33:53,657
that hasn't been diagnosed.
622
00:33:53,657 --> 00:33:56,868
I resigned my position
at the lab
623
00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,830
and I started seeing individuals
in the basement of my house.
624
00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:04,918
One time, a woman came to me
and was on the treatment table
625
00:34:04,918 --> 00:34:09,089
and, all of a sudden,
her abdomen opened up
626
00:34:09,089 --> 00:34:12,717
and I saw a small tumor
in a very precise location.
627
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:15,887
And I said, "Please go to your
doctor and have it checked out."
628
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:18,556
She had to have surgery,
and it saved her
629
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:22,811
from having a very serious kind
of uterine cancer.
630
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,398
KINSELLA:
In the case of
nearâdeath experiences,
631
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:30,694
a number of people report
developing heightened intuition,
632
00:34:30,694 --> 00:34:33,154
gaining some kind
of psychic ability.
633
00:34:33,154 --> 00:34:36,574
They report manifestations of
the paranormal that seem to be
634
00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:39,786
much more common after
these kinds of experiences.
635
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:43,248
MISHLOVE:
A materialistic scientist
would say, "How can that be?
636
00:34:43,248 --> 00:34:45,250
These things
don't exist at all,"
637
00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:49,170
but, in fact, they're reported
hundreds and hundreds of times.
638
00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:54,801
HAWKES:
There's something
beyond the neurons,
639
00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:57,762
the astrocytes, the glial cells,
in our brain
640
00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,973
going "jun, jun, jun, jun."
641
00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:04,269
Something beyond that
which we have awareness of.
642
00:35:06,104 --> 00:35:09,316
SHATNER:
The power to see through flesh
643
00:35:09,316 --> 00:35:13,278
and diagnose ailments
might seem preposterous.
644
00:35:13,278 --> 00:35:15,947
But could it be true?
645
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:18,617
Is it possible that when
Joyce Hawkes nearly died,
646
00:35:18,617 --> 00:35:24,623
she came back with psychic
abilities that defy explanation?
647
00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:27,250
Perhaps the answers can be found
by examining cases
648
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:32,422
in which people claim to
not only see someone's ailment,
649
00:35:32,422 --> 00:35:34,382
but also heal it.
650
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:37,427
Richmond, Virginia.
651
00:35:37,427 --> 00:35:40,305
September 5, 2005.
652
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:42,474
David Schwartz goes
to the hospital to be treated
653
00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:46,936
for what he believes
is a nagging ear infection.
654
00:35:46,936 --> 00:35:51,608
But in fact,
his illness is much, much worse.
655
00:35:51,608 --> 00:35:54,069
DAVID SCHWARTZ:
I checked myself
into the emergency room.
656
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:55,945
That was Monday afternoon.
657
00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:59,699
And by Tuesday afternoon,
I was in a coma.
658
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,951
My kidneys were shut down,
659
00:36:01,951 --> 00:36:05,372
all of my organs were failing
and the blood flow was lost
660
00:36:05,372 --> 00:36:09,292
in my brain stem as well, which
would have meant brain death.
661
00:36:09,292 --> 00:36:12,504
They told my mom
and my dad that,
662
00:36:12,504 --> 00:36:15,340
really, that I had a limited
amount of time left.
663
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:19,511
SHATNER:
With their son facing certain
death due to kidney failure,
664
00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:22,013
David's parents
were willing to try anything
665
00:36:22,013 --> 00:36:24,015
that might help him.
666
00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:28,019
So they reached out to
Scarlett Heinbuch, a woman who,
667
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:31,690
after having a nearâdeath
experience in childhood,
668
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:36,820
claimed to be gifted
with incredible healing powers.
669
00:36:36,820 --> 00:36:38,655
SCARLETT HEINBUCH:
When I walked
in David's hospital room
670
00:36:38,655 --> 00:36:40,532
for the first time,
I knew he was near death.
671
00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:42,951
He was unconscious
and I took his hand
672
00:36:42,951 --> 00:36:46,204
and I'm standing right by his
bedside when, all of a sudden,
673
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,873
I was out of my body,
in another realm.
674
00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:52,252
And he was hovering there
and there was soul connection
675
00:36:52,252 --> 00:36:55,046
and I felt him
with every fiber of my being,
676
00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:58,842
and he made a decision
at that point to come back.
677
00:37:01,344 --> 00:37:03,888
SCHWARTZ:
When I first awoke
and saw Scarlett,
678
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,558
I had the sense
that I knew who she was,
679
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,393
and I knew everything about her.
680
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:12,188
HEINBUCH:
David looked up at me
and, all of a sudden,
681
00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,400
the next thing I was aware of
was that I was
682
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,861
seeing four beings.
683
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:20,655
They were tall
and they were colored blue.
684
00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:24,701
I saw them manifesting
a set of kidneys, if you will.
685
00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:28,663
I saw the kidneys
being dropped into his body.
686
00:37:28,663 --> 00:37:32,876
David's recovery after that was
so stunning that the doctors
687
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:36,421
and nurses at this hospital
called him "miracle boy."
688
00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,423
SCHWARTZ:
When I came out of the coma,
689
00:37:38,423 --> 00:37:40,633
it was absolutely
because we had an experience.
690
00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:42,886
I don't know
what happened there,
691
00:37:42,886 --> 00:37:45,430
but I do know that it happened,
692
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:47,390
because the doctors told me that
they didn't have an explanation
693
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:50,101
as to why I was making
the recovery that I was making.
694
00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:55,899
SHATNER:
Today, David Schwartz has
two fully functioning kidneys,
695
00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:58,860
and both he and
Scarlett Heinbuch have no doubt
696
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,154
in their minds that it was
the powerful connection
697
00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:05,700
between their souls
that saved David's life.
698
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:10,455
Are stories like those of Joyce
Hawkes and Scarlett Heinbuch
699
00:38:10,455 --> 00:38:13,625
evidence that the soul is real,
700
00:38:13,625 --> 00:38:15,460
and can actually
become empowered
701
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:19,631
with strange
and otherworldly abilities?
702
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:22,926
According to people who study
nearâdeath experiences,
703
00:38:22,926 --> 00:38:26,554
the answer is a profound yes.
704
00:38:26,554 --> 00:38:31,643
And they also insist that these
tales of strange coincidences
705
00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:35,647
and psychic connections are
really meant to assure us
706
00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:38,525
that we are all
very much connected,
707
00:38:38,525 --> 00:38:43,404
and not only in the ways
we've been taught to imagine.
708
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:53,665
SHATNER:
Everything that lives
must also eventually die.
709
00:38:53,665 --> 00:38:58,503
And yet, for people who believe
they've touched or been touched
710
00:38:58,503 --> 00:39:01,714
by what they refer to
as the other side,
711
00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:04,342
death is not an ending,
712
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,971
but a gateway
toward a new beginning.
713
00:39:07,971 --> 00:39:11,683
They live with a certainty that
the rest of us will never have.
714
00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:15,562
That is, until we die.
715
00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:17,564
(siren wails)
716
00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:20,400
KINSELLA:
I think nearâdeath experiences
and related phenomena
717
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,905
are so fascinating,
frustrating and mysterious
718
00:39:25,905 --> 00:39:29,701
because the footprints they
leave behind are very muddied.
719
00:39:29,701 --> 00:39:33,413
And what I mean by that is there
seems to be enough proof,
720
00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:37,625
enough anecdotal evidence,
to where if people really want
721
00:39:37,625 --> 00:39:40,420
to believe these stories, they
want to believe this phenomena,
722
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:41,880
they certainly can.
723
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,425
But for those that are
absolutely certain
724
00:39:45,425 --> 00:39:50,054
that these experiences are,
by and large, byproducts
725
00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:55,101
of naturalistic phenomena,
like, maybe biological stress,
726
00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:58,104
then there certainly is not
enough compelling evidence
727
00:39:58,104 --> 00:40:02,275
that would be able
toâto shift them over.
728
00:40:02,275 --> 00:40:06,279
HAWKES:
I've heard that
nearâdeath experiences
729
00:40:06,279 --> 00:40:10,867
are really some kind of vision
or sleep experience.
730
00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:13,703
For myself, I know it wasn't,
because I know
731
00:40:13,703 --> 00:40:18,541
what my dreams were like, and
this was so different than that.
732
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:22,754
It's far beyond a dream state,
or a state
733
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:25,298
where there's no oxygen
to the brain
734
00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:29,594
and you have some kind
of weird thing that lasts.
735
00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:32,305
Now, before my coma, I thought,
well, it's just a hallucination.
736
00:40:32,305 --> 00:40:33,932
It's a trick of the dying brain.
737
00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:38,436
So, in many ways,
it was very refreshing to me
738
00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:40,438
as I came out
of this experience,
739
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,565
andâand especially
in those months after my coma.
740
00:40:42,565 --> 00:40:45,526
I came to realize that there are
a number of scientists,
741
00:40:45,526 --> 00:40:48,821
literally hundreds of scientists
around the world,
742
00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:50,323
who have been
studying these problems
743
00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:52,700
very diligently for decades,
744
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:56,788
and they're actually making
tremendous progress.
745
00:40:56,788 --> 00:41:00,875
BERLIN:
It's that there might be
energies, forces,
746
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:02,627
things that
we haven't yet discovered
747
00:41:02,627 --> 00:41:05,588
that we may never discover.
748
00:41:05,588 --> 00:41:08,383
And however you want
to fill in that gap,
749
00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:12,845
whether it's mysticism,
spirituality, religion,
750
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:16,933
I think that's left
to each individual person.
751
00:41:22,313 --> 00:41:25,984
SHATNER:
Nearâdeath experiences,
752
00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:29,112
the psychic connections
between identical twins
753
00:41:29,112 --> 00:41:32,991
and tales of reincarnation.
754
00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:36,577
Are these all evidence
that there really is a soul?
755
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,038
Or is it that we're all
so desperate to believe
756
00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:41,207
in our own immortality
757
00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:44,252
that we look for evidence
to reassure ourselves
758
00:41:44,252 --> 00:41:48,172
that death is not really
the end?
759
00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:51,968
Well, when that day comes,
760
00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:55,930
we will not only learn
the truth, but also the answers
761
00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:58,307
to all the other mysteries
that are, until then,
762
00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:00,560
The UnXplained.
763
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,187
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