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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,436 --> 00:00:05,504 ¶ ¶ 2 00:00:10,578 --> 00:00:11,078 ¶ ¶ 3 00:00:27,862 --> 00:00:29,561 Where is everybody going? 4 00:00:29,563 --> 00:00:31,196 To the refreshment center. 5 00:00:31,198 --> 00:00:34,466 It's everybody's favorite spot for delicious, tasty food, 6 00:00:34,468 --> 00:00:36,468 from a snack to a full meal. 7 00:00:36,470 --> 00:00:40,172 Plus all the extras, including gum, ice cream, candy. 8 00:00:40,174 --> 00:00:43,208 Make your evening at this drive-in even more enjoyable. 9 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:45,010 The refreshment stand has everything 10 00:00:45,012 --> 00:00:46,945 to make your visit here a pleasant one. 11 00:00:46,947 --> 00:00:49,648 Why not get something now? 12 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:52,785 This contains 70,000 feet of film, 13 00:00:52,787 --> 00:00:57,256 reduced to the most terrifying 90 minutes every made. 14 00:00:57,258 --> 00:01:00,292 We were giving the audience what they wanted to see. 15 00:01:00,294 --> 00:01:02,227 The most grotesque creations 16 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:05,531 we ever dared to show you on screen! 17 00:01:05,533 --> 00:01:06,899 We did not have stars, 18 00:01:06,901 --> 00:01:08,934 so we had to exploit the subject matter. 19 00:01:08,936 --> 00:01:11,937 A tremendous social revolution is taking place. 20 00:01:11,939 --> 00:01:15,307 Here, for the first time, is the story of that change. 21 00:01:15,309 --> 00:01:17,509 And I fully accept the statement 22 00:01:17,511 --> 00:01:19,845 we were making exploitation films. 23 00:01:19,847 --> 00:01:21,914 Exploitation really is about ballyhoo. 24 00:01:21,916 --> 00:01:23,315 It's about marketing. 25 00:01:23,317 --> 00:01:24,917 I have here the upchuck cup, 26 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:26,652 a little item passed out by the management 27 00:01:26,654 --> 00:01:29,855 to remind you that if you can't take the current double bill 28 00:01:29,857 --> 00:01:31,957 of horror films called frenzy of blood, 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,492 that you'd better not come. 30 00:01:33,494 --> 00:01:34,927 So in exploitation films, 31 00:01:34,929 --> 00:01:36,228 if you're selling sex, 32 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:38,564 it's "the girls with the biggest breasts, 33 00:01:38,566 --> 00:01:42,101 "and the most beautiful teeth, and the most luscious thighs, 34 00:01:42,103 --> 00:01:45,704 and you can have them, if you come to this theater!" 35 00:01:45,706 --> 00:01:47,673 You know, I mean, that's what they're saying. 36 00:01:47,675 --> 00:01:48,874 It's sort of like, 37 00:01:48,876 --> 00:01:51,643 "never before have you seen material 38 00:01:51,645 --> 00:01:53,912 so ripe for masturbation!" 39 00:01:53,914 --> 00:01:55,447 A titillating motion picture 40 00:01:55,449 --> 00:01:59,384 of a young girl looking for fun and kicks. 41 00:01:59,386 --> 00:02:00,719 The truth is, 42 00:02:00,721 --> 00:02:04,490 exploitation implies lower budget and second run. 43 00:02:04,492 --> 00:02:06,291 One of the things about low-budget is 44 00:02:06,293 --> 00:02:08,894 you go where it's cheapest to make movies, 45 00:02:08,896 --> 00:02:12,664 and that is really where the Philippines come in. 46 00:02:12,666 --> 00:02:13,765 You've got jungles, 47 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:15,634 you've got girls who you can exploit. 48 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:18,170 You've got everything, and you get it cheap. 49 00:02:18,172 --> 00:02:20,439 So many of these exploitation films made there 50 00:02:20,441 --> 00:02:24,376 were made for the United States, Australia, and Europe. 51 00:02:24,378 --> 00:02:30,249 These were Western-style Roger corman tits and ass movies, 52 00:02:30,251 --> 00:02:35,888 marcos said, "come on down. I'll give you the army." 53 00:02:35,890 --> 00:02:38,824 ¶ Let's go ¶ 54 00:02:38,826 --> 00:02:42,294 ¶ where the action is ¶ 55 00:02:42,296 --> 00:02:45,697 ¶ come on, let's go ¶ 56 00:02:45,699 --> 00:02:49,501 ¶ where the action is ¶ 57 00:02:49,503 --> 00:02:52,504 ¶ I said one one, two two ¶ 58 00:02:52,506 --> 00:02:54,373 ¶ three, four, five ¶ 59 00:02:54,375 --> 00:02:55,541 ¶ come on, everybody, ¶ 60 00:02:55,543 --> 00:02:58,143 ¶ let me know you're alive ¶ 61 00:02:58,145 --> 00:02:59,611 ¶ seven, six, five, four ¶ 62 00:02:59,613 --> 00:03:01,580 ¶ three, two, one ¶ 63 00:03:01,582 --> 00:03:04,216 ¶ don't stop dancin' if you're having fun ¶ 64 00:03:04,218 --> 00:03:07,319 ¶ let's go ¶ 65 00:03:07,321 --> 00:03:10,923 ¶ where the action is ¶ 66 00:03:10,925 --> 00:03:13,959 ¶ come on, let's go ¶ 67 00:03:13,961 --> 00:03:18,564 ¶ where the action is ¶ 68 00:03:18,566 --> 00:03:21,099 ¶ let's go ¶ 69 00:03:21,101 --> 00:03:23,302 American movies that were shot in the Philippines 70 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:26,004 in the '60s and '70s and through to the '80s 71 00:03:26,006 --> 00:03:28,440 were basically low-budget drive-in movies. 72 00:03:28,442 --> 00:03:30,642 American companies would come into the Philippines 73 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:31,843 and use it as a backdrop. 74 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:33,645 They weren't sold as Filipino movies. 75 00:03:33,647 --> 00:03:36,048 They were sold as jungle action movies, 76 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:37,649 and the fact that they were shot in the Philippines 77 00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:38,884 was kind of secondary. 78 00:03:38,886 --> 00:03:41,320 And you'd think, "are they Mexican? 79 00:03:41,322 --> 00:03:42,955 What are they?" 80 00:03:42,957 --> 00:03:45,390 Because they weren't Chinese, they weren't Japanese. 81 00:03:45,392 --> 00:03:47,459 And the Philippines appealed in several ways. 82 00:03:47,461 --> 00:03:49,194 First, it was inexpensive. 83 00:03:49,196 --> 00:03:51,663 The cost of labor was so affordable. 84 00:03:51,665 --> 00:03:54,733 We could hire filipinos for about 5 bucks a day. 85 00:03:54,735 --> 00:03:58,370 They had an amazing movie industry. 86 00:03:58,372 --> 00:04:00,205 They had studios, 87 00:04:00,207 --> 00:04:03,041 they had all the camera equipment that we needed. 88 00:04:03,043 --> 00:04:05,110 We shot with a Mitchell that was so old 89 00:04:05,112 --> 00:04:07,813 the serial number on it was, like, six. 90 00:04:07,815 --> 00:04:10,916 They had stunt people, 91 00:04:10,918 --> 00:04:13,785 they had special effects, demolition people. 92 00:04:13,787 --> 00:04:15,053 They used to say, 93 00:04:15,055 --> 00:04:16,788 "when you're hiring a pyrotechnics crew, 94 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:18,123 just check their fingers. 95 00:04:18,125 --> 00:04:20,459 Just make sure they've got all their fingers." 96 00:04:20,461 --> 00:04:21,860 It's probably a good sign. 97 00:04:21,862 --> 00:04:24,830 Antiamericanism was rampant all over the world, 98 00:04:24,832 --> 00:04:26,698 and we had liberated the Philippines 99 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:28,400 from Japanese occupation, 100 00:04:28,402 --> 00:04:29,935 so the Philippines was a place 101 00:04:29,937 --> 00:04:32,838 that still really appreciated American culture. 102 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:34,506 That was very significant, I think. 103 00:04:34,508 --> 00:04:36,441 The Philippines was the wild east 104 00:04:36,443 --> 00:04:38,610 as opposed to the wild west. 105 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:40,312 There was kind of a lawlessness 106 00:04:40,314 --> 00:04:41,680 about the whole thing. 107 00:04:41,682 --> 00:04:44,549 You were aware that this was a gun-happy, 108 00:04:44,551 --> 00:04:47,085 very dangerous society. 109 00:04:47,087 --> 00:04:50,889 The makeup man had a .45. 110 00:04:50,891 --> 00:04:53,392 The airline policy was that, you know, 111 00:04:53,394 --> 00:04:56,595 you won't have your guns on your person while we were in the air. 112 00:04:56,597 --> 00:05:00,299 So they were collecting the passengers' handguns. 113 00:05:00,301 --> 00:05:02,234 And you're thinking to yourself, I mean, 114 00:05:02,236 --> 00:05:05,103 "is something going to break out? 115 00:05:05,105 --> 00:05:08,507 Why is everyone armed? 116 00:05:08,509 --> 00:05:10,075 Somebody had a gunfight in the lobby 117 00:05:10,077 --> 00:05:12,010 while some of my people were there, 118 00:05:12,012 --> 00:05:15,314 but that apparently those things were kind of common. 119 00:05:15,316 --> 00:05:17,549 Human life was cheap, film was cheap. 120 00:05:17,551 --> 00:05:19,518 It was a great place to make a picture. 121 00:05:26,794 --> 00:05:31,563 The period of the b movies in the '70s, '80s, 122 00:05:31,565 --> 00:05:34,599 maybe starting even from the late '60s, you know, 123 00:05:34,601 --> 00:05:38,704 is one of the sadly obscure periods in philippine cinema. 124 00:05:38,706 --> 00:05:40,939 Eddie romero is definitely the guy that created 125 00:05:40,941 --> 00:05:43,842 this kind of Filipino exploitation movie genre. 126 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:46,511 I'm not exactly a pioneer in that area. 127 00:05:46,513 --> 00:05:50,382 Although probably the first Filipino who entered that film. 128 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:52,551 He began writing at a very, very early age 129 00:05:52,553 --> 00:05:54,419 and he came to the attention of Gerry de Leon. 130 00:05:54,421 --> 00:05:56,922 Gerry was considered one of the best directors 131 00:05:56,924 --> 00:05:58,990 we had in the Philippines. 132 00:05:58,992 --> 00:06:01,093 Gerry de Leon was the master, 133 00:06:01,095 --> 00:06:03,829 Eddie romero was the faithful, and, you know, 134 00:06:03,831 --> 00:06:05,297 very gifted apprentice. 135 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:07,866 And from there I am quite sure, you know, 136 00:06:07,868 --> 00:06:10,068 the collaboration started to happen. 137 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:12,270 It started with an American g.I. 138 00:06:12,272 --> 00:06:14,840 Who had been stationed in the Philippines 139 00:06:14,842 --> 00:06:16,108 and he stayed on. 140 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:18,176 He loved living there. His name was Kane Lynn. 141 00:06:18,178 --> 00:06:20,011 We got to talking, and he wanted to know 142 00:06:20,013 --> 00:06:24,683 if we could get together on production in the Philippines. 143 00:06:24,685 --> 00:06:26,818 It was just the perfect set of conditions 144 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:28,353 to start something like this, 145 00:06:28,355 --> 00:06:31,323 and to his credit, Eddie romero seized it. 146 00:06:31,325 --> 00:06:34,693 Kane Lynn, Eddie romero, and irwin pizor's company, 147 00:06:34,695 --> 00:06:36,228 hemisphere pictures, 148 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:39,631 was the first company to make real American co-productions 149 00:06:39,633 --> 00:06:41,833 in the Philippines. 150 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:45,270 They were making war films like raiders of Leyte Gulf, 151 00:06:45,272 --> 00:06:46,471 the walls of hell. 152 00:06:46,473 --> 00:06:48,807 Will the American agent reveal the plans 153 00:06:48,809 --> 00:06:52,477 for general MacArthur's return to the Philippines? 154 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:54,312 The war films were not popular here, 155 00:06:54,314 --> 00:06:55,614 and they could barely sell them. 156 00:06:55,616 --> 00:06:56,915 I said, look, 157 00:06:56,917 --> 00:06:58,517 I think you ought to get involved with horror films. 158 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,218 Forget about these war films. 159 00:07:00,220 --> 00:07:02,554 Well, Kane said, "I have an old horror picture." 160 00:07:02,556 --> 00:07:03,989 I saw it, and I was knocked out. 161 00:07:03,991 --> 00:07:05,657 I said, "it's a great movie." 162 00:07:05,659 --> 00:07:09,628 Terror is a man was a spin on the island of doctor Moreau. 163 00:07:09,630 --> 00:07:12,197 He knew that the forbidden secrets he uncovered 164 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:15,600 were against the laws of nature. 165 00:07:15,602 --> 00:07:17,135 It's a not very subtle one, 166 00:07:17,137 --> 00:07:20,806 but what de Leon brings to it is sort of visceral feeling 167 00:07:20,808 --> 00:07:23,909 of the pain that this creature that's being created 168 00:07:23,911 --> 00:07:25,744 out of animals feels. 169 00:07:25,746 --> 00:07:27,712 These shots were always striking. 170 00:07:27,714 --> 00:07:29,648 The way they were lit, the way they were framed, 171 00:07:29,650 --> 00:07:32,050 the way they were composed. 172 00:07:32,052 --> 00:07:33,919 Although it's just an exploitation movie, 173 00:07:33,921 --> 00:07:35,554 exploitation subject, 174 00:07:35,556 --> 00:07:37,656 you really do feel something for this poor creature 175 00:07:37,658 --> 00:07:40,192 that's midway between man and monster. 176 00:07:40,194 --> 00:07:44,296 Hemisphere put a gimmick in where this bell goes off... 177 00:07:44,298 --> 00:07:46,164 A special warning bell has been installed 178 00:07:46,166 --> 00:07:47,799 to protect the faint-hearted. 179 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:48,900 When the bell rings, 180 00:07:48,902 --> 00:07:50,802 we suggest they close their eyes 181 00:07:50,804 --> 00:07:52,838 and not open them until it rings again. 182 00:07:54,908 --> 00:07:57,008 And God knows where they picked up that footage. 183 00:07:57,010 --> 00:07:59,478 It does look like someone cutting into meat. 184 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,913 I said to Eddie, "it looked very realistic." 185 00:08:01,915 --> 00:08:06,918 He said, "oh, we shaved a pig and then cut into him." 186 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,822 Kane Lynn changed the title to blood creature, 187 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:12,157 and it went through the roof, 188 00:08:12,159 --> 00:08:14,459 and they realized horror pictures were the answer. 189 00:08:14,461 --> 00:08:16,595 We learned especially in the small towns 190 00:08:16,597 --> 00:08:18,630 of the United States, 191 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:20,999 horror films were practically a staple. 192 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:23,768 Visit one of the most mysterious corners of the world, 193 00:08:23,770 --> 00:08:26,838 where unbelievably cruel, barbaric customs 194 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,707 are still practiced. 195 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:29,875 The blood island series 196 00:08:29,877 --> 00:08:32,010 were really just American drive-in movies 197 00:08:32,012 --> 00:08:34,579 with a bit of action, the suggestion of a bit of sex, 198 00:08:34,581 --> 00:08:36,248 some horror happening somewhere, 199 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:41,119 the weird rubber-faced monster coming at you. 200 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:43,755 What sold the blood island movies to American audiences 201 00:08:43,757 --> 00:08:46,291 was the blood, breasts, and beasts. 202 00:08:46,293 --> 00:08:47,392 The three "b" s. 203 00:08:47,394 --> 00:08:49,160 The kind of elements people wanted 204 00:08:49,162 --> 00:08:50,962 that went to the drive-ins. 205 00:08:50,964 --> 00:08:53,164 They went in the car with a girlfriend to make out, 206 00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:56,434 and every now and then they'd hear a scream, look up, 207 00:08:56,436 --> 00:08:58,537 and they'd see something kind of lurid happening, 208 00:08:58,539 --> 00:09:00,272 and then they'd go back to their snogging. 209 00:09:00,274 --> 00:09:02,374 And I think that's how these movies are structured. 210 00:09:02,376 --> 00:09:03,808 If you went to see a film called brides of blood, 211 00:09:03,810 --> 00:09:05,343 and you came out complaining about, you know, 212 00:09:05,345 --> 00:09:06,845 the fact that it was a cheesy movie 213 00:09:06,847 --> 00:09:09,114 with some naked Filipino girls being eaten by a monster, 214 00:09:09,116 --> 00:09:11,082 I mean, who would have listened to you, you know? 215 00:09:11,084 --> 00:09:12,384 What did you expect? 216 00:09:12,386 --> 00:09:15,554 It seems that some living organisms on this island 217 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:18,723 are undergoing drastic mutations. 218 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:20,125 There were kind of good invention of stories 219 00:09:20,127 --> 00:09:21,793 to begin with. 220 00:09:21,795 --> 00:09:24,129 Gerry and I tried to flesh them out a little more, 221 00:09:24,131 --> 00:09:25,764 but that was very limited 222 00:09:25,766 --> 00:09:28,233 on account of the nature of the market. 223 00:09:28,235 --> 00:09:30,201 So as simple of characterization as we can. 224 00:09:30,203 --> 00:09:34,906 It's create a situation that's very tense, 225 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:37,208 make sure that people don't have too much dialogue to say, 226 00:09:37,210 --> 00:09:39,077 because these probably weren't great actors 227 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,012 and they might get it wrong. 228 00:09:41,014 --> 00:09:43,348 Better go away now. 229 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:46,051 You are making me uncomfortable again. 230 00:09:46,053 --> 00:09:48,587 John Ashley was kind of a teen heartthrob 231 00:09:48,589 --> 00:09:50,589 throughout the mid to late '50s. 232 00:09:50,591 --> 00:09:53,825 A romantic idol among people who didn't know any better. 233 00:09:53,827 --> 00:09:56,761 Married to Deborah walley, they divorced. 234 00:09:56,763 --> 00:09:59,898 His way of getting over the divorce in the late '60s 235 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:01,366 was to take a job in the Philippines 236 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:03,168 doing brides of blood. 237 00:10:03,170 --> 00:10:04,636 It was exotic for him. 238 00:10:04,638 --> 00:10:05,804 He loved the people. 239 00:10:05,806 --> 00:10:07,105 He loved the excitement. 240 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:10,108 Well you've got to admit, he's got style. 241 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:11,242 John was a lover, you know? 242 00:10:11,244 --> 00:10:15,080 He had quite a few escapades here. 243 00:10:15,082 --> 00:10:16,481 I had a shirt made for him, 244 00:10:16,483 --> 00:10:21,953 and all his girlfriends were embroidered on the shirt. 245 00:10:21,955 --> 00:10:23,855 A lot of embroidery. 246 00:10:23,857 --> 00:10:25,757 Ashley ended up becoming a producer 247 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:28,893 on his own there with Eddie romero. 248 00:10:28,895 --> 00:10:30,428 He was a charming person. 249 00:10:30,430 --> 00:10:32,731 He was very easy to get along with. 250 00:10:32,733 --> 00:10:34,099 He had great sensitivity 251 00:10:34,101 --> 00:10:36,935 for the personalities of other people. 252 00:10:36,937 --> 00:10:38,303 He was a good friend. 253 00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:39,671 Kane came to me 254 00:10:39,673 --> 00:10:41,840 'cause I was doing their advertising and marketing, 255 00:10:41,842 --> 00:10:43,942 and he said, "brides of blood. 256 00:10:43,944 --> 00:10:45,477 "We want to have marketing. 257 00:10:45,479 --> 00:10:47,812 We've got wedding and engagement rings." 258 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:49,981 Female patrons who showed up to see the movie 259 00:10:49,983 --> 00:10:51,716 got cheap plastic wedding rings 260 00:10:51,718 --> 00:10:54,352 because apparently they were marrying a monster in the film. 261 00:10:54,354 --> 00:10:59,524 Genuine synthetic wedding and engagement set free. 262 00:10:59,526 --> 00:11:01,026 And I had the catchline: 263 00:11:01,028 --> 00:11:05,430 "Here comes the bride with a non-human creature by her side!" 264 00:11:05,432 --> 00:11:07,399 And then mad doctor of blood island 265 00:11:07,401 --> 00:11:10,568 had green blood that was handed out to everyone. 266 00:11:10,570 --> 00:11:14,205 I invented this idea of the oath of green blood. 267 00:11:14,207 --> 00:11:17,208 You had to take it before you could see the movie. 268 00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:20,078 I join the order of green blood with an open mind, 269 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,747 and through this liquid's powers am now prepared to safely view 270 00:11:22,749 --> 00:11:27,018 the unnatural green-blooded ones without fear of contamination. 271 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:30,422 The green blood potion has been known to passionately affect 272 00:11:30,424 --> 00:11:32,390 some people after drinking it. 273 00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:33,725 I said, "well, look, 274 00:11:33,727 --> 00:11:35,627 before we give these out, I should test it." 275 00:11:35,629 --> 00:11:36,795 Well, I took it, 276 00:11:36,797 --> 00:11:39,164 I had a stomach ache the whole night. 277 00:11:39,166 --> 00:11:41,266 The mad doctor of blood island, 278 00:11:41,268 --> 00:11:45,003 with his supernatural beings, 279 00:11:45,005 --> 00:11:49,340 caught up in the rampage of gory brutality. 280 00:11:49,342 --> 00:11:51,009 I thought mad doctor of blood island 281 00:11:51,011 --> 00:11:53,344 was the best of the three blood island pictures. 282 00:11:53,346 --> 00:11:55,113 There's at least one scene 283 00:11:55,115 --> 00:11:57,515 where someone's intestines are ripped out 284 00:11:57,517 --> 00:11:59,718 in glorious detail. 285 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,220 The monster in that film is particularly awful. 286 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:04,222 It looks like papier-mache. 287 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,392 There's a tendency to overuse zooming the zoom lens, 288 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:11,730 and I haven't found anybody that likes it except myself. 289 00:12:11,732 --> 00:12:14,566 There were really no rules as to what kind of films 290 00:12:14,568 --> 00:12:16,735 they were making and what they could get away with, 291 00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:19,170 so I think they were testing the boundaries. 292 00:12:19,172 --> 00:12:21,973 I know they came close to pushing the envelope. 293 00:12:21,975 --> 00:12:24,976 A lot of what they did became the standard 294 00:12:24,978 --> 00:12:27,912 for low, low-budget horror films. 295 00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:31,783 The mpaa, the ratings board, didn't see these films. 296 00:12:31,785 --> 00:12:33,118 They could care less. 297 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,552 So little kids were going to see 298 00:12:34,554 --> 00:12:39,023 monsters raping women staked to poles. 299 00:12:39,025 --> 00:12:41,593 Beast of blood was the third film, 300 00:12:41,595 --> 00:12:44,062 and it was the least horrific of the three. 301 00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:45,964 In the world of the gruesome and grotesque, 302 00:12:45,966 --> 00:12:48,233 comes your most horrifying meeting 303 00:12:48,235 --> 00:12:51,369 with nerve-chilling fear. 304 00:12:51,371 --> 00:12:52,604 It had a lot of nudity 305 00:12:52,606 --> 00:12:55,340 that Celeste yarnall did in one scene. 306 00:12:55,342 --> 00:12:58,409 That was supposed to never be seen by anyone 307 00:12:58,411 --> 00:13:00,378 other than the Japanese market, 308 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:02,981 which for me at the time seemed so far away. 309 00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:06,117 Of course now, with DVDs, it's all over the world, 310 00:13:06,119 --> 00:13:08,253 and I'm, "did I do that?" 311 00:13:08,255 --> 00:13:10,221 I guess I did. 312 00:13:10,223 --> 00:13:12,190 You'll see an orgy of bloody terror, 313 00:13:12,192 --> 00:13:15,059 as a mad fiend transplants human heads. 314 00:13:15,061 --> 00:13:16,427 Good morning, don Ramon. 315 00:13:16,429 --> 00:13:17,762 I hope you slept well? 316 00:13:17,764 --> 00:13:20,498 The head can talk to doctor lorca. 317 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:26,404 The day may come soon, lorca. 318 00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:29,474 Hence the famous line, "lorca," 319 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:31,643 because that head is going to get lorca 320 00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:35,013 if it's the last thing he does. 321 00:13:35,015 --> 00:13:38,183 The conditions were incredibly primitive on that picture. 322 00:13:38,185 --> 00:13:41,119 They went back and back into the jungle. 323 00:13:41,121 --> 00:13:43,288 I had just found out that I was pregnant, 324 00:13:43,290 --> 00:13:47,158 and I tried to confide in them that some of these things 325 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,427 were going to be a little bit rough on me. 326 00:13:52,632 --> 00:13:58,336 I'm supposed to drop down and be enveloped by quicksand. 327 00:13:58,338 --> 00:14:02,240 Well the head stuntman had a rifle over his shoulder, 328 00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:04,809 and when he leaned over to pull me out, 329 00:14:04,811 --> 00:14:07,245 the rifle swung over his shoulder 330 00:14:07,247 --> 00:14:10,415 and split open my face. 331 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:11,983 That picture made a fortune. 332 00:14:11,985 --> 00:14:13,251 They found this formula, 333 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:14,752 and they stepped it up. 334 00:14:14,754 --> 00:14:18,323 They brought it up to a new level of extremity 335 00:14:18,325 --> 00:14:19,958 and it worked in their favor. 336 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,359 I did well, 337 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,795 but I get a little tired of them after a while. 338 00:14:23,797 --> 00:14:25,864 I think everyone's affection for those movies 339 00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:28,900 is based in dollars. 340 00:14:28,902 --> 00:14:31,369 Sam sherman, the guy who urged hemisphere 341 00:14:31,371 --> 00:14:32,871 to get into making horror films, 342 00:14:32,873 --> 00:14:34,973 ultimately lost patience with them, 343 00:14:34,975 --> 00:14:37,575 because they did make horror films. 344 00:14:37,577 --> 00:14:40,645 They just kept making the same one over and over again. 345 00:14:40,647 --> 00:14:42,947 Eddie romero was planning a picture 346 00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:44,916 called the beast of the yellow night 347 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:46,618 as a follow up to beast of blood, 348 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:49,921 and it was a very complex, faustian story. 349 00:14:49,923 --> 00:14:53,892 He suffers the cruelest curse ever placed upon mortal man 350 00:14:53,894 --> 00:14:55,827 by the host of darkness, 351 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:57,395 condemned to stalk the night 352 00:14:57,397 --> 00:15:00,064 with an insatiable lust for living flesh. 353 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:01,299 It was wild. 354 00:15:01,301 --> 00:15:03,334 But I felt it was too far out 355 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:04,869 for this kind of a market. 356 00:15:04,871 --> 00:15:07,906 Why do you think I keep bringing you back like this? 357 00:15:07,908 --> 00:15:09,507 To awaken the latent evil 358 00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:11,676 in the people that I come in contact with. 359 00:15:11,678 --> 00:15:14,078 I felt that for that type of film, 360 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,482 the characters were more fully developed, more believable. 361 00:15:17,484 --> 00:15:20,285 Whatever else you might be, you are still a man. 362 00:15:20,287 --> 00:15:21,619 It didn't do as well. 363 00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:23,254 When the film was released in the uk, 364 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:25,089 the reels were put the wrong way round, 365 00:15:25,091 --> 00:15:27,392 and when I told Eddie this, you know, he just laughed, 366 00:15:27,394 --> 00:15:28,793 and he said, "did anyone notice?" 367 00:15:28,795 --> 00:15:30,528 And I said, "no, it probably made the film better." 368 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:32,330 It ended up going to Roger corman, 369 00:15:32,332 --> 00:15:34,899 and Roger corman was kind of stuck with it. 370 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:36,067 He didn't really like it. 371 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:46,778 It was such a twist of fate, really, 372 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:49,714 that Roger corman came to the scene. 373 00:15:49,716 --> 00:15:52,850 John Ashley recommended coming to the Philippines 374 00:15:52,852 --> 00:15:54,652 and said, "you have carte blanche there. 375 00:15:54,654 --> 00:15:55,987 You can do whatever you want." 376 00:15:55,989 --> 00:15:57,422 Roger corman wasn't like. 377 00:15:57,424 --> 00:15:59,190 Kane Lynn or John Ashley. 378 00:15:59,192 --> 00:16:01,125 He had no love of the Philippines. 379 00:16:01,127 --> 00:16:04,095 This was just a money-making opportunity for him. 380 00:16:04,097 --> 00:16:07,265 I first visited the Philippines in 1970, 381 00:16:07,267 --> 00:16:09,867 which was the year I started new world pictures. 382 00:16:09,869 --> 00:16:11,336 New world and Roger corman 383 00:16:11,338 --> 00:16:15,306 were really the experts in genre films. 384 00:16:15,308 --> 00:16:17,809 But in any film I've ever worked on with Roger, 385 00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:20,144 there's three main elements that he's looking for, 386 00:16:20,146 --> 00:16:21,813 one is humor, 387 00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:23,982 which he considers tremendously important. 388 00:16:23,984 --> 00:16:28,186 Grand theft auto is a love story... 389 00:16:28,188 --> 00:16:29,253 With cars. 390 00:16:29,255 --> 00:16:31,522 Another is action, 391 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:36,361 Which he considers very important. 392 00:16:36,363 --> 00:16:38,463 And another is sex, which he considers important, 393 00:16:38,465 --> 00:16:40,598 but not quite as important as the other two elements, 394 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,733 I don't think. 395 00:16:41,735 --> 00:16:43,134 This clinic deals specifically 396 00:16:43,136 --> 00:16:45,903 in sexual problems. 397 00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:47,839 What's the matter? Having trouble? 398 00:16:47,841 --> 00:16:49,841 Cinema was really changing, 399 00:16:49,843 --> 00:16:51,809 and it was becoming r-rated, 400 00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:53,344 and these were low-budget movies, 401 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:56,080 moving away from the studio films. 402 00:16:56,082 --> 00:16:57,982 In fact, if you look from today's perspective 403 00:16:57,984 --> 00:17:00,485 at 1970s exploitation pictures, 404 00:17:00,487 --> 00:17:02,387 they look like they were made on another planet. 405 00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:04,022 The basic elements of them are things 406 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:05,690 that you couldn't put in movies today 407 00:17:05,692 --> 00:17:06,824 and get away with. 408 00:17:06,826 --> 00:17:07,892 And these pictures always played 409 00:17:07,894 --> 00:17:09,293 at drive-ins, 410 00:17:09,295 --> 00:17:11,529 where huge screens can be seen for Miles around 411 00:17:11,531 --> 00:17:13,264 by cars driving back and forth, 412 00:17:13,266 --> 00:17:16,334 and the images in these pictures are astonishing. 413 00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:18,569 The new world company built their success 414 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:21,139 on women's exploitation. 415 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:22,840 It's the candy striper's job 416 00:17:22,842 --> 00:17:26,577 to make the patients' stay in the hospital more pleasant. 417 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:29,447 This is not what we mean by pleasant. 418 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:31,983 It was pleasant, wasn't it? 419 00:17:31,985 --> 00:17:34,886 Our first film was a picture we made in the United States 420 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,821 called the student nurses, 421 00:17:36,823 --> 00:17:39,157 which turned out to be a major success. 422 00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:40,591 The student nurses. 423 00:17:40,593 --> 00:17:42,994 Once you've met them, you'll never forget them. 424 00:17:42,996 --> 00:17:44,996 New world did a lot of nurse pictures. 425 00:17:44,998 --> 00:17:47,265 Roger was just turning them out as fast as he could, 426 00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:49,767 making five, six pictures a year. 427 00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:51,335 Student nurses, student teachers, 428 00:17:51,337 --> 00:17:53,204 and then what else could we have? 429 00:17:53,206 --> 00:17:55,406 How about young female prisoners? 430 00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:58,042 There have always been women in prison. 431 00:17:58,044 --> 00:17:59,343 There's always been bad girls 432 00:17:59,345 --> 00:18:02,246 in juvie hall or the dormitory films. 433 00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:04,248 The difference between the films is really only, 434 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:07,118 how tawdry are we going to get? 435 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,586 By the time we started, 436 00:18:08,588 --> 00:18:10,521 you could do a lot that was just absolutely unheard of, 437 00:18:10,523 --> 00:18:13,091 so that really made the difference, I think. 438 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:14,992 So what have you got in the Philippines? 439 00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:16,327 Jungle. 440 00:18:16,329 --> 00:18:17,695 The big doll house was originally written 441 00:18:17,697 --> 00:18:19,130 for the United States, 442 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:21,065 but after I saw the Philippines, 443 00:18:21,067 --> 00:18:25,203 I thought, we could easily switch this to a tropical prison 444 00:18:25,205 --> 00:18:28,840 and I could make a bigger picture for less money. 445 00:18:28,842 --> 00:18:31,175 The prison films focused always on beautiful women 446 00:18:31,177 --> 00:18:34,846 who were imprisoned rightly or wrongly 447 00:18:34,848 --> 00:18:36,981 and fought their way out. 448 00:18:36,983 --> 00:18:38,850 This way you'll only get killed. 449 00:18:38,852 --> 00:18:40,751 Not if we get out of here fast. 450 00:18:43,323 --> 00:18:46,691 Women in cages and in boxes and confined. 451 00:18:46,693 --> 00:18:48,426 We hear in one of the movies 452 00:18:48,428 --> 00:18:51,496 that the women are only allowed two showers a week, 453 00:18:51,498 --> 00:18:57,268 but we as the lucky viewers get to see both showers. 454 00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:59,971 You've got to have "t" and "a" and then a little torture. 455 00:18:59,973 --> 00:19:02,406 The person being tortured on the wheel 456 00:19:02,408 --> 00:19:05,376 or having fire beneath them, and they're all screaming, 457 00:19:05,378 --> 00:19:07,111 and the next scene they're fine. 458 00:19:07,113 --> 00:19:09,580 As far as incorporating all those elements, 459 00:19:09,582 --> 00:19:11,115 you had to have at least one per reel. 460 00:19:11,117 --> 00:19:14,685 I just imagine the screenwriters just saying, 461 00:19:14,687 --> 00:19:16,154 "okay, I've done three pages. 462 00:19:16,156 --> 00:19:17,221 Nobody's been tortured." 463 00:19:19,492 --> 00:19:21,092 And they just write that in. 464 00:19:21,094 --> 00:19:22,160 Strip. 465 00:19:22,162 --> 00:19:23,194 Torture. 466 00:19:23,196 --> 00:19:24,262 Women, 467 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:25,563 guarded by barbed wire and guns 468 00:19:25,565 --> 00:19:26,831 in a tropical hell. 469 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,933 They call it the big doll house. 470 00:19:28,935 --> 00:19:30,835 Big doll house set the tempo 471 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:33,871 for almost every woman in prison, 472 00:19:33,873 --> 00:19:36,908 woman in jeopardy situation that came after it. 473 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:40,278 Prerequisite girl fights and dunking heads in toilets. 474 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,746 That was pretty humiliating. 475 00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:42,980 I mean, they did it. 476 00:19:45,518 --> 00:19:48,586 They took my head and put it in the toilet. 477 00:19:48,588 --> 00:19:51,155 I read the script and I thought it was just, just awful. 478 00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:52,290 I said, "oh, my God. 479 00:19:52,292 --> 00:19:53,858 What am I going to do with this?" 480 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:56,460 Jack was aware that people were willing to see women 481 00:19:56,462 --> 00:19:59,230 in these incredibly tense conditions, 482 00:19:59,232 --> 00:20:00,932 all being thrown together, 483 00:20:00,934 --> 00:20:02,400 what were the pressures that were going to build 484 00:20:02,402 --> 00:20:03,768 among these women? 485 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:07,371 Green, scared, and pretty. 486 00:20:07,373 --> 00:20:09,840 And they're not wearing very much, 487 00:20:09,842 --> 00:20:11,742 and there's gonna be lesbianism. 488 00:20:11,744 --> 00:20:14,679 You can bed down over here where I can take care of you. 489 00:20:14,681 --> 00:20:16,714 And there's gonna be cockroach races. 490 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:18,216 That's it, go boys! 491 00:20:18,218 --> 00:20:20,084 The filipinos got these huge cockroaches 492 00:20:20,086 --> 00:20:22,987 that they were able to catch very easily. 493 00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:24,589 There were plenty of them around. 494 00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:25,790 Come on, baby! 495 00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:28,059 All of these elements that ended up making 496 00:20:28,061 --> 00:20:32,029 for what he knew was gonna be a sensationally entertaining film. 497 00:20:32,031 --> 00:20:34,298 Judy brown strapped to a table naked, 498 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:36,400 and then being menaced by a live cobra 499 00:20:36,402 --> 00:20:39,203 on some kind of contraption like the pit and the pendulum. 500 00:20:39,205 --> 00:20:40,871 Silly, huh? Ridiculous. 501 00:20:40,873 --> 00:20:42,673 Totally ridiculous. 502 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:45,509 There was a sheet of glass involved there. 503 00:20:45,511 --> 00:20:47,178 I'm a bit claustrophobic. 504 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:50,948 Being enclosed in, that was what scared me more. 505 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:52,116 And I was topless. 506 00:20:52,118 --> 00:20:53,551 Yeah. 507 00:20:53,553 --> 00:20:56,988 All these girls were ready to take on new experiences. 508 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:58,389 They wanted to get their careers going, 509 00:20:58,391 --> 00:20:59,590 and they wanted to be up on the screen, 510 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,727 and if it involved cobras, okay. 511 00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:05,062 Meet the girls of the big doll house. 512 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:07,999 Well, you don't look like a hardened criminal to me. 513 00:21:08,001 --> 00:21:09,734 They're young, they're beautiful, 514 00:21:09,736 --> 00:21:13,104 and they're killers. 515 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:15,973 There were no big stars who came out of those pictures 516 00:21:15,975 --> 00:21:17,842 and went on to huge movies. 517 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:18,876 That wasn't the case. 518 00:21:18,878 --> 00:21:19,910 No shit! 519 00:21:19,912 --> 00:21:21,379 Pam is the exception, 520 00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:24,849 because Pam is basically Jack hill's discovery. 521 00:21:24,851 --> 00:21:27,018 Even though she had virtually no experience 522 00:21:27,020 --> 00:21:29,086 and no training that I was aware of, 523 00:21:29,088 --> 00:21:31,522 I just felt she was a natural. 524 00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:33,858 And she went over there, and she learned to act. 525 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:35,493 They gave me the actor's studio, 526 00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:37,495 the actor's workshop, 527 00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:38,763 the myth that they gave me 528 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:40,765 all these great books on stanislavsky, right? 529 00:21:40,767 --> 00:21:43,134 So I'm learning this profound work, 530 00:21:43,136 --> 00:21:46,404 and I'm going to do a Roger corman 531 00:21:46,406 --> 00:21:48,873 booties-in-the-jungle movie. 532 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:49,907 So I said, "I'm gonna do it. 533 00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:51,342 "I don't care if it's a b movie. 534 00:21:51,344 --> 00:21:53,744 I'm goin' in there, and I'm gonna kill ya!" 535 00:21:53,746 --> 00:21:56,947 She had an intensity, obvious good looks, 536 00:21:56,949 --> 00:22:00,651 extremely large breasts, and she was smart. 537 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:01,786 She probably still is smart. 538 00:22:01,788 --> 00:22:03,154 You don't get dumb. 539 00:22:03,156 --> 00:22:05,690 And I think all of that shone through. 540 00:22:05,692 --> 00:22:07,725 Who you can talk into to going to the Philippines... 541 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:08,993 That was the trick. 542 00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,195 My agent said, "don't you do this movie!" 543 00:22:11,197 --> 00:22:12,663 I don't think a Hollywood starlet 544 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:14,098 would be very happy there. 545 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,233 It's so humid and so hot. 546 00:22:16,235 --> 00:22:18,402 I remember I got heatstroke. 547 00:22:18,404 --> 00:22:21,639 I don't remember ever having dressing rooms or honey wagons. 548 00:22:21,641 --> 00:22:23,474 My dressing room was a cave, 549 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:27,345 and guess what else that cave was used for? 550 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:29,680 The men's latrine. 551 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:32,216 It was just horrible. 552 00:22:32,218 --> 00:22:35,386 We would immediately get a call from the agent, 553 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:39,290 saying that they were living in some rat infested jungle hut. 554 00:22:39,292 --> 00:22:44,962 I saw a rat carrying a kitten through the window. 555 00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:47,932 I wonder if everybody in this place lives like this. 556 00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:49,600 And you would have to say to the agent, 557 00:22:49,602 --> 00:22:51,001 "well, you know, 558 00:22:51,003 --> 00:22:53,537 "it really is the best of those jungle huts down there, 559 00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:54,905 "you know? 560 00:22:54,907 --> 00:22:56,474 They're really out there in the middle of nowhere." 561 00:22:56,476 --> 00:22:57,742 The bugs were enormous. 562 00:22:57,744 --> 00:23:00,378 Bugs the size of birds that were flying around. 563 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,413 I can remember eating a salad, 564 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:04,715 and roaches were climbing out of my salad. 565 00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:09,420 I don't recall that there was any health or safety on set, 566 00:23:09,422 --> 00:23:12,089 off set, whatsoever. 567 00:23:12,091 --> 00:23:15,926 We were using military-trained attack dogs. 568 00:23:15,928 --> 00:23:19,330 The director of photography went in with his light meter 569 00:23:19,332 --> 00:23:24,068 to get a reading on the dog, and the dog ate it. 570 00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:26,036 You just want to do the scene, 571 00:23:26,038 --> 00:23:28,906 and you want to do it properly, and get out. 572 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:30,341 There was always a rumor 573 00:23:30,343 --> 00:23:34,745 that there was one girl who didn't come back, 574 00:23:34,747 --> 00:23:36,313 and it was circulated around the actresses, 575 00:23:36,315 --> 00:23:39,183 and they were all afraid to go because of this supposed girl 576 00:23:39,185 --> 00:23:40,918 who had vanished in the Philippines 577 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,186 and never came back. 578 00:23:42,188 --> 00:23:43,220 Roberta Collins. 579 00:23:43,222 --> 00:23:44,755 She was in the first couple. 580 00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:46,290 Action, big mouth. 581 00:23:46,292 --> 00:23:47,892 She was like a favorite for directors 582 00:23:47,894 --> 00:23:49,026 of this kind of film. 583 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,195 She had just a remarkable personality. 584 00:23:51,197 --> 00:23:54,999 Get it up or I'll cut it off. 585 00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:56,934 The audience just exploded with that line, 586 00:23:56,936 --> 00:24:01,839 and that was one that I wrote myself, actually. 587 00:24:01,841 --> 00:24:05,910 I don't know if I should be proud or ashamed of that. 588 00:24:05,912 --> 00:24:08,012 In my family, there was a lot of outrage 589 00:24:08,014 --> 00:24:09,513 about the big doll house. 590 00:24:09,515 --> 00:24:11,015 "What have you been doing, Jane? 591 00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:12,783 What kind of movies are these?" 592 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:14,285 I didn't like the film. 593 00:24:14,287 --> 00:24:18,489 I thought it had gone a little bit too far 594 00:24:18,491 --> 00:24:20,591 with the sex and the violence. 595 00:24:20,593 --> 00:24:23,561 It was the most profitable independent picture 596 00:24:23,563 --> 00:24:25,196 ever made up to that time. 597 00:24:25,198 --> 00:24:26,697 It was just a huge, huge hit. 598 00:24:26,699 --> 00:24:28,833 The film cost about $100,000 599 00:24:28,835 --> 00:24:32,603 and grossed something like $4 million. 600 00:24:32,605 --> 00:24:33,904 When I saw the grosses, 601 00:24:33,906 --> 00:24:38,342 I have to admit, my scruples faded away, 602 00:24:38,344 --> 00:24:40,277 and I said, "let's make another one." 603 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:41,712 Women in cages. 604 00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:43,881 The sensational new motion picture 605 00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:46,283 that rips the veil off the dirtiest racket 606 00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:49,353 ever conceived by the minds of vicious men. 607 00:24:49,355 --> 00:24:51,121 The market was flooded immediately, 608 00:24:51,123 --> 00:24:53,424 essentially flooded by us. 609 00:24:53,426 --> 00:24:55,726 Women in cages was Gerry de Leon's 610 00:24:55,728 --> 00:24:58,529 last American-funded film. 611 00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,197 It's a beautifully shot film, 612 00:25:00,199 --> 00:25:04,435 but very lackluster in the performances and the plotting. 613 00:25:04,437 --> 00:25:06,303 If you liked the title, women in cages, 614 00:25:06,305 --> 00:25:07,571 you're gonna like this movie, 615 00:25:07,573 --> 00:25:08,806 because you know what it's got? 616 00:25:08,808 --> 00:25:10,107 Women in cages. 617 00:25:10,109 --> 00:25:12,576 So, you know, it's truth in advertising. 618 00:25:12,578 --> 00:25:14,345 The next film that I did in the Philippines 619 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:15,746 was the big bird cage, 620 00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:17,982 which I did almost as a spoof 621 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:19,650 on women in prison pictures. 622 00:25:19,652 --> 00:25:22,086 I felt to just do another one wouldn't work, 623 00:25:22,088 --> 00:25:26,123 so I kind of made fun of the whole genre. 624 00:25:26,125 --> 00:25:29,159 Nothing like that ever happens to me. 625 00:25:29,161 --> 00:25:33,564 Jack was trying to appeal to what the audience responded to, 626 00:25:33,566 --> 00:25:34,598 and we were surprised 627 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,734 at how much the audience liked the humor. 628 00:25:36,736 --> 00:25:38,369 The big bird cage, 629 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:42,406 a strange and brutal world of men who are only half-men... 630 00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:45,009 Don't play coy with me, tootsie. 631 00:25:45,011 --> 00:25:48,612 You don't have anything I'd be interested in anyway. 632 00:25:48,614 --> 00:25:51,782 And women who are more than all woman. 633 00:25:51,784 --> 00:25:53,918 I told you I was cut it off 634 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,653 if you try to pull that shit on me! 635 00:25:55,655 --> 00:26:00,357 But still including the kind of ingredients that you need. 636 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,060 Being hung up by your hair in the sun, 637 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,129 that always seemed to me a bit extreme. 638 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:07,164 The fact is, if you really have a lot of hair, 639 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,332 it's not that big a deal, 640 00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:11,101 that that can support your weight. 641 00:26:11,103 --> 00:26:13,404 I just liked the combination 642 00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:15,673 of sid and Pam grier working together, 643 00:26:15,675 --> 00:26:19,343 so I starred them as a team in the big bird cage. 644 00:26:19,345 --> 00:26:22,680 Say, when are we gonna have that revolution anyway? 645 00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:24,848 Pretty soon, pretty soon. 646 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:26,717 Sid haig is a lazy revolutionary 647 00:26:26,719 --> 00:26:28,419 who gets this wonderful idea 648 00:26:28,421 --> 00:26:30,888 of breaking the women out of this women's prison 649 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:33,490 in order to help get the revolution started. 650 00:26:33,492 --> 00:26:35,025 Worst plan in the history of movies. 651 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:42,366 Everybody gets killed, 652 00:26:42,368 --> 00:26:44,435 and it's supposed to be a happy ending. 653 00:26:44,437 --> 00:26:48,205 The big bird cage did not do as well as the big doll house 654 00:26:48,207 --> 00:26:51,442 and maybe the fact that we played it a little bit too much 655 00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:52,977 for the humor hurt it. 656 00:26:52,979 --> 00:26:55,980 A lot of the pictures had no really redeeming factors 657 00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:58,115 as far as the stories were concerned. 658 00:26:58,117 --> 00:27:00,150 They were very bizarre, to say the last. 659 00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:03,854 I remember one film we made called night of the cobra woman. 660 00:27:03,856 --> 00:27:06,724 I was getting tired of the woman in prison concept, 661 00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:09,026 so we started to move into science fiction. 662 00:27:09,028 --> 00:27:14,031 How much longer must I remain in this ridiculous human form? 663 00:27:14,033 --> 00:27:17,334 It featured a woman who was part cobra. 664 00:27:17,336 --> 00:27:19,803 Plunging her fangs into warm flesh, 665 00:27:19,805 --> 00:27:23,107 she sucks the life from the bodies of men. 666 00:27:23,109 --> 00:27:27,811 She's a woman who has sex with men and extends her life, 667 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:29,580 but when they wake up, 668 00:27:29,582 --> 00:27:33,050 they're like 90 years old, and then they die. 669 00:27:33,052 --> 00:27:35,953 Marlene Clark had some sort of snake skin, 670 00:27:35,955 --> 00:27:39,423 and I remember a scene where she just peeled it off her body. 671 00:27:39,425 --> 00:27:41,792 It was a very strange movie. 672 00:27:41,794 --> 00:27:45,896 Only the cobra could satisfy her unearthly desires. 673 00:27:45,898 --> 00:27:47,998 If there's an underlying theme, 674 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,534 then it would be, be careful of women. 675 00:27:50,536 --> 00:27:51,769 They're snakes. 676 00:27:51,771 --> 00:27:53,504 They'll suck the life out of you. 677 00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:55,572 I'll suck the years out of your body. 678 00:27:55,574 --> 00:27:59,543 It was only way I can be a human and a woman again. 679 00:27:59,545 --> 00:28:03,147 It was filmed in slitherama, with a hiss. 680 00:28:03,149 --> 00:28:05,482 I came up with that, slitherama. 681 00:28:05,484 --> 00:28:07,651 One of the things that made these films noteworthy 682 00:28:07,653 --> 00:28:09,820 was the fact that very few people 683 00:28:09,822 --> 00:28:12,189 were making films with women leads. 684 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:15,259 Roger treated women in film really as heroes... 685 00:28:17,096 --> 00:28:18,829 And that was a departure. 686 00:28:18,831 --> 00:28:20,230 Moviegoers were not used to 687 00:28:20,232 --> 00:28:24,201 seeing women doing action at all. 688 00:28:24,203 --> 00:28:26,570 And even if they were little mousy girls at the beginning, 689 00:28:26,572 --> 00:28:28,338 by the end, they're toting two machine guns 690 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:29,740 and shooting down scads of guys. 691 00:28:32,111 --> 00:28:34,878 Female guerrillas. 692 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,082 Machete maiden action. 693 00:28:38,084 --> 00:28:40,284 You not only had a female heroine, 694 00:28:40,286 --> 00:28:42,753 but you also had a female being abused. 695 00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:44,455 So you got both sides of the coin, 696 00:28:44,457 --> 00:28:46,890 and you appealed to the male audience, 697 00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:50,194 and you appealed to any dates they may have had to bring, 698 00:28:50,196 --> 00:28:51,628 which I suspect were not many. 699 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:55,699 Is this how you get your kicks? 700 00:28:55,701 --> 00:28:59,470 There are a lot of filmmakers who are responsible filmmakers, 701 00:28:59,472 --> 00:29:03,173 but sometimes what's fun are the irresponsible filmmakers 702 00:29:03,175 --> 00:29:07,077 who later say, "well of course, I was doing this." 703 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,247 They were about women being abused at the beginning, 704 00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:13,984 but then taking over and having revenge. 705 00:29:13,986 --> 00:29:16,320 I think that was very helpful overall 706 00:29:16,322 --> 00:29:19,223 in terms of women establishing themselves on the screen 707 00:29:19,225 --> 00:29:25,229 as powerful figures and being empowered as women. 708 00:29:25,231 --> 00:29:29,299 Women really related to that, and began to love us as heroes. 709 00:29:32,838 --> 00:29:37,841 You hear people talking about the crassest, most exploitative, 710 00:29:37,843 --> 00:29:45,182 sexist, racist films as liberating, and intelligent, 711 00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:48,018 and I'm thinking, "what are they smok... 712 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:49,319 I mean, you know, "what?" 713 00:29:49,321 --> 00:29:51,321 You can't rape me. 714 00:29:51,323 --> 00:29:53,657 I like sex. 715 00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:56,293 Feminism and women taking their power 716 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,262 was worldwide at that time, 717 00:29:58,264 --> 00:30:02,900 so taking off our tops was kind of a powerful thing to do. 718 00:30:02,902 --> 00:30:05,803 It was, to a certain extent, liberating. 719 00:30:05,805 --> 00:30:08,138 Look, I can do this, I can still be an actress, 720 00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:10,974 and I can still be respectable. 721 00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:12,776 It's an interesting mixture of feminism, 722 00:30:12,778 --> 00:30:15,712 because there we were, being exploited in a certain way, 723 00:30:15,714 --> 00:30:17,381 and at the same time, 724 00:30:17,383 --> 00:30:19,283 we were showing that we were powerful women. 725 00:30:19,285 --> 00:30:20,717 They took control, 726 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:22,653 but they'll show you their tits. 727 00:30:22,655 --> 00:30:24,955 All those films in the Philippines, 728 00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:28,091 ten beautiful women, naked every single time. 729 00:30:28,093 --> 00:30:30,060 Hundreds... I mean hundreds... 730 00:30:30,062 --> 00:30:33,096 of beautiful little girls, just running around bare-assed. 731 00:30:33,098 --> 00:30:34,598 And all the only guy is you. 732 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,866 That's right. 733 00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:37,701 I don't buy that feminist stuff. 734 00:30:37,703 --> 00:30:38,969 What you're talking about is a tit shop, 735 00:30:38,971 --> 00:30:40,037 pure and simple. 736 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:41,471 Feminism with aggressive women 737 00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:44,708 was not going to be palatable in the mass market 738 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:46,410 without tits and ass. 739 00:30:46,412 --> 00:30:48,412 Buenos dias, senoritas! 740 00:30:48,414 --> 00:30:51,782 Somehow we had to do that in order to get to the next step. 741 00:30:51,784 --> 00:30:53,717 I didn't feel badly about it. 742 00:30:53,719 --> 00:30:55,385 I saw it as a path. 743 00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:59,223 Are we not taking this a little too seriously? 744 00:30:59,225 --> 00:31:01,024 Intellectualizing this? 745 00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:03,160 This is not a film about the human condition. 746 00:31:03,162 --> 00:31:05,095 This is a film about tits and ass. 747 00:31:05,097 --> 00:31:07,431 A lot of filmmakers deal with people all the time 748 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:08,765 where someone says, 749 00:31:08,767 --> 00:31:12,035 "in your film, when the, you know, 750 00:31:12,037 --> 00:31:15,973 "mutant woman gave birth to the mulatto monster 751 00:31:15,975 --> 00:31:18,876 "who tore the head off the Nazi, 752 00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:25,182 "weren't you talking about the exploitation of colored peoples 753 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:29,620 around the world and their ultimate triumph?" 754 00:31:29,622 --> 00:31:31,989 And they'll go, 755 00:31:31,991 --> 00:31:34,391 "yes, I was," 756 00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:35,759 and inside they're thinking, 757 00:31:35,761 --> 00:31:38,662 "what the fuck are they talking about?" 758 00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:49,172 The revolutionary spirit of young people in the '60s 759 00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:52,209 continued into the early '70s, 760 00:31:52,211 --> 00:31:54,177 so with a number of these films, 761 00:31:54,179 --> 00:31:58,048 we had a rebel, revolutionary spirit to them. 762 00:31:58,050 --> 00:31:59,316 The revolution is at hand. 763 00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:00,517 The time has come. 764 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,085 A lot of pictures with rebels, 765 00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:04,988 a lot of pictures with corrupt regimes being overthrown. 766 00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:06,790 It was very easy for our directors 767 00:32:06,792 --> 00:32:09,092 to get the political content in 768 00:32:09,094 --> 00:32:11,962 because I told them I wanted the political content. 769 00:32:11,964 --> 00:32:14,064 In his mind, it was kind of a moral balance 770 00:32:14,066 --> 00:32:17,301 between the exploitable ingredients that he needed 771 00:32:17,303 --> 00:32:18,902 to sell it, 772 00:32:18,904 --> 00:32:21,438 and giving him a feeling that there was some importance to it. 773 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,607 And I bought that completely myself. 774 00:32:23,609 --> 00:32:25,509 If you look at Jonathan demme's the hot box, 775 00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:27,444 that's overtly political. 776 00:32:27,446 --> 00:32:29,179 The hot box. 777 00:32:29,181 --> 00:32:30,714 Four American nurses 778 00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:34,084 snatched from their work in a foreign hospital. 779 00:32:34,086 --> 00:32:37,921 We abduct nurses to provide healing and medicine 780 00:32:37,923 --> 00:32:40,457 to our guerrilla army. 781 00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:42,960 We were doing the whole thing that Roger likes. 782 00:32:42,962 --> 00:32:45,729 You know, "oh, no, don't take us!" 783 00:32:45,731 --> 00:32:48,165 You will do what you are told to do! 784 00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:50,934 If not, you will all be shot. 785 00:32:50,936 --> 00:32:53,403 I played a character in the film called bunny, 786 00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:55,872 and bunny was the one who always got hysterical. 787 00:32:55,874 --> 00:32:57,574 I hope some day you're on a date, 788 00:32:57,576 --> 00:33:00,811 and then some maniacs come along and shoot your dates 789 00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:04,081 and drag you into the jungle and then attack you 790 00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:05,782 and then not even tell you why! 791 00:33:05,784 --> 00:33:06,984 She wasn't very deep, 792 00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:09,019 but she really said it like it was. 793 00:33:09,021 --> 00:33:11,521 We escaped only to discover 794 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:13,290 that the military was actually the brutes. 795 00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:19,696 Soiled, spoiled and violated, 796 00:33:19,698 --> 00:33:22,199 they wouldn't take it lying down. 797 00:33:22,201 --> 00:33:24,801 It was the girls learning firsthand 798 00:33:24,803 --> 00:33:28,939 what the efforts of the revolutionaries were about. 799 00:33:28,941 --> 00:33:31,641 You get tired of seeing your sisters assaulted, 800 00:33:31,643 --> 00:33:34,978 your families abused, paying a fine week after week 801 00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:36,747 for trying to sell what you grow. 802 00:33:36,749 --> 00:33:42,853 The original title was called rx prescription revolution. 803 00:33:42,855 --> 00:33:44,454 One day I get a call from Roger corman, 804 00:33:44,456 --> 00:33:47,157 and Roger says, "Margaret." 805 00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:49,059 "Hi, Roger." 806 00:33:49,061 --> 00:33:51,428 "I just want you to know that the title, 807 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:57,200 prescription revolution, is now the hot box. 808 00:33:57,202 --> 00:33:59,202 His sense of it was that we didn't have 809 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:01,438 that iconic moment. 810 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,175 He said, we're going to shoot that scene of the hot box. 811 00:34:05,177 --> 00:34:09,613 Plunged into the fiery depths of the hot box... 812 00:34:09,615 --> 00:34:13,383 They had some guy kind of spraying us down with hoses. 813 00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:18,055 A tropical torture chamber where anything can happen. 814 00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:19,589 And we were standing in the corner, 815 00:34:19,591 --> 00:34:20,991 freaking and screaming, 816 00:34:20,993 --> 00:34:23,260 and now the movie was the hot box. 817 00:34:23,262 --> 00:34:24,895 The girls were treated in a way 818 00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:27,631 that was somewhat titillating for that kind of audience, 819 00:34:27,633 --> 00:34:29,099 and I was really dismayed 820 00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:32,169 that the purity of what we thought we were going after 821 00:34:32,171 --> 00:34:34,971 was really kind of undermined. 822 00:34:34,973 --> 00:34:37,240 One of the great ironies of the Filipino pictures 823 00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:39,910 is you have these movies being made about revolution 824 00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:43,747 against essentially fascist dictatorship 825 00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:46,750 in a fascist dictatorship. 826 00:34:46,752 --> 00:34:48,752 1972, all right? 827 00:34:48,754 --> 00:34:51,088 That's when all the TV stations just stopped, 828 00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:54,124 and then suddenly there was that face. 829 00:34:54,126 --> 00:34:57,227 I have signed proclamation number 1081, 830 00:34:57,229 --> 00:35:00,997 placing the entire Philippines under martial law. 831 00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:04,501 Marcos declared martial law, and he called all the shots. 832 00:35:04,503 --> 00:35:06,803 He was the ultimate leader. 833 00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:08,839 Martial law means military power, 834 00:35:08,841 --> 00:35:11,141 and he, as commander in chief, 835 00:35:11,143 --> 00:35:13,543 was in absolute control of this country. 836 00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:14,778 There were checkpoints, 837 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:16,379 militia with the guns and the whole thing. 838 00:35:16,381 --> 00:35:18,415 And they were on every corner. 839 00:35:18,417 --> 00:35:21,284 You had to be inside at a certain time in the evening. 840 00:35:21,286 --> 00:35:23,019 And if you were in a club, and it was midnight, 841 00:35:23,021 --> 00:35:24,521 the owner of the club just went over 842 00:35:24,523 --> 00:35:25,922 and put the lock on the door, 843 00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:28,658 and you had to stay and party all night 844 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:29,926 till 6:00 in the morning. 845 00:35:29,928 --> 00:35:31,128 Okay. 846 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:33,763 And if you went outside after curfew, 847 00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:35,332 they would put you in jail, 848 00:35:35,334 --> 00:35:37,534 and you would end up picking up trash along the streets 849 00:35:37,536 --> 00:35:38,802 the next day. 850 00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:40,737 When they declared martial law, 851 00:35:40,739 --> 00:35:42,839 we were supposed to go into some town square. 852 00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:46,409 All unlicensed firearms now in your possession 853 00:35:46,411 --> 00:35:50,313 should be turned over to the Philippines constabulary. 854 00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:52,382 After that time, you know, anybody with a gun, 855 00:35:52,384 --> 00:35:54,151 it was a serious offence. 856 00:35:54,153 --> 00:35:57,487 Brutality was absolutely a reality in this country. 857 00:35:57,489 --> 00:36:00,524 They'd stop somebody because he was kind of shady looking, 858 00:36:00,526 --> 00:36:02,692 and "oh, there's a butterfly knife. 859 00:36:02,694 --> 00:36:04,060 Big offence. 860 00:36:04,062 --> 00:36:05,929 And they shot him right there on the spot. 861 00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:07,364 Life was like... 862 00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:08,932 You'd get snuffed out just like that. 863 00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:11,334 State control was almost absolute. 864 00:36:11,336 --> 00:36:13,737 And media definitely had no escape 865 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:16,072 from this kind of governance. 866 00:36:16,074 --> 00:36:18,008 Artists of all kinds who were subversive 867 00:36:18,010 --> 00:36:20,310 were afraid to voice any kind of opinion 868 00:36:20,312 --> 00:36:22,779 because they would disappear or end up in the prisons. 869 00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:25,415 Print, radio, television, 870 00:36:25,417 --> 00:36:27,717 and, of course, the movie industry 871 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,586 were all under the control of the state 872 00:36:29,588 --> 00:36:32,022 through its various instrumentalities, 873 00:36:32,024 --> 00:36:34,191 such as, for example, the censorship board. 874 00:36:34,193 --> 00:36:36,693 The only problem there with censorship is 875 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:40,430 if you do a film that deals with subversion. 876 00:36:40,432 --> 00:36:41,865 In the big doll house, 877 00:36:41,867 --> 00:36:44,668 pat woodell's character has that one line... 878 00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:46,503 Before you can do anything in here, 879 00:36:46,505 --> 00:36:48,805 a lot has to be changed out there. 880 00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:50,507 If that were made in a philippine movie, 881 00:36:50,509 --> 00:36:52,008 that would be stricken out, 882 00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:53,710 and then you'd never hear from the director again. 883 00:36:53,712 --> 00:36:54,911 You're under arrest. 884 00:36:54,913 --> 00:36:57,280 Somebody's determining exactly what kind 885 00:36:57,282 --> 00:36:59,349 of entertainment we're going to have, 886 00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:01,618 but the American movies were just out there. 887 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:04,788 So, you are the representatives of the people. 888 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:09,793 They're liberators, and we are the oppressors. 889 00:37:09,795 --> 00:37:12,429 Almost censorship was not in place. 890 00:37:12,431 --> 00:37:14,731 I don't think they had any jurisdiction over us. 891 00:37:14,733 --> 00:37:18,435 They had no idea what we were doing on a day-to-day basis. 892 00:37:18,437 --> 00:37:19,703 They didn't read the script. 893 00:37:21,106 --> 00:37:23,073 To a certain point, that was kind of liberating 894 00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:24,808 for some of the Filipino directors 895 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:29,179 who engaged in the production of films for export. 896 00:37:29,181 --> 00:37:31,181 If you're making an exploitation picture, 897 00:37:31,183 --> 00:37:34,017 you actually can get away with a lot more subversive stuff, 898 00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:38,188 or really powerful statements because nobody's looking. 899 00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:39,623 One of the reasons that we were able 900 00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:42,292 to get away with films with a revolutionary theme 901 00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:45,495 was the fact that we didn't really say in all the films 902 00:37:45,497 --> 00:37:47,364 they were in the Philippines. 903 00:37:47,366 --> 00:37:48,832 Well I shouldn't even be here. 904 00:37:48,834 --> 00:37:52,002 My trial was a real joke. 905 00:37:52,004 --> 00:37:54,904 Those fucking banana Republic cops. 906 00:37:54,906 --> 00:37:57,507 And I don't think marcos would look at a character 907 00:37:57,509 --> 00:38:00,944 such as the commandant in big bird cage 908 00:38:00,946 --> 00:38:02,979 and equate himself to that. 909 00:38:04,383 --> 00:38:07,651 After that, the almost desperate need 910 00:38:07,653 --> 00:38:10,987 for the dictatorship to attract business 911 00:38:10,989 --> 00:38:12,088 into this country. 912 00:38:12,090 --> 00:38:13,690 We were trying to explain production 913 00:38:13,692 --> 00:38:15,058 to president marcos, 914 00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:16,993 and we were talking about the various aspects, 915 00:38:16,995 --> 00:38:19,696 and the subject came up about below-the-line costs, 916 00:38:19,698 --> 00:38:22,932 right, in which he got a rather puzzled expression on his face 917 00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:26,703 and said, "can you explain about this below-the-line? 918 00:38:26,705 --> 00:38:29,773 Is that something like under the table?" 919 00:38:29,775 --> 00:38:32,575 We got all the cooperation in the world from the Philippines 920 00:38:32,577 --> 00:38:33,777 because we paid 'em. 921 00:38:33,779 --> 00:38:34,944 Almost anything we needed, 922 00:38:34,946 --> 00:38:36,680 marcos was very open to giving us. 923 00:38:36,682 --> 00:38:40,183 I asked the army to supply me with three helicopter gunships 924 00:38:40,185 --> 00:38:41,918 to be there at 9:00 in the morning, 925 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,955 and the captain in charge said, "I apologies for being late, 926 00:38:45,957 --> 00:38:50,894 "but we were 100 Miles north strafing and bombing rebels. 927 00:38:50,896 --> 00:38:53,129 We will now change to blank ammunition." 928 00:38:53,131 --> 00:38:55,231 "Excellent idea," I thought. 929 00:38:55,233 --> 00:38:59,402 The army was very willing to stage the battle scenes for us. 930 00:39:01,707 --> 00:39:03,606 And that actually was important, 931 00:39:03,608 --> 00:39:06,376 because although we started with the women in prison pictures, 932 00:39:06,378 --> 00:39:09,379 we very quickly moved to action films. 933 00:39:09,381 --> 00:39:12,349 Black mama, white mama, 934 00:39:12,351 --> 00:39:15,018 from a hellhole of twisted passions, 935 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:17,620 to an inferno of flaming death. 936 00:39:17,622 --> 00:39:21,191 When Roger called me to invite me to do black mama, white mama, 937 00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:22,559 he said, "I want you to know 938 00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:25,295 it's the female version of the defiant ones. 939 00:39:25,297 --> 00:39:27,597 Chains of hate kept them bound together. 940 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,966 Two women, totally different purposes. 941 00:39:29,968 --> 00:39:31,468 A terrorist and a hooker. 942 00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:34,070 You two should have lots to talk about. 943 00:39:34,072 --> 00:39:35,305 Out for themselves, 944 00:39:35,307 --> 00:39:38,308 but in the end, finally bonded together. 945 00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:40,410 Pam dragged me through the jungle, 946 00:39:40,412 --> 00:39:41,711 and I dragged her, 947 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:43,346 and then I got raped while she was on 948 00:39:43,348 --> 00:39:45,582 the other end of the... 949 00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:51,154 Pam grier was amazing on all of these shoots 950 00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:53,690 because she was up for almost anything. 951 00:39:53,692 --> 00:39:57,093 There I am, hooked with handcuffs together with her, 952 00:39:57,095 --> 00:39:59,496 and if Eddie asked her to jump off a cliff, 953 00:39:59,498 --> 00:40:03,700 she would have gladly done it and taken me with her. 954 00:40:03,702 --> 00:40:06,002 Some of it was an exaggeration, 955 00:40:06,004 --> 00:40:07,370 but we got along very well. 956 00:40:07,372 --> 00:40:08,605 I liked Pam very much. 957 00:40:08,607 --> 00:40:09,672 What's that? 958 00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:12,609 It's a charm bracelet. 959 00:40:12,611 --> 00:40:15,745 The later Eddie romero movies, woman hunt,for example, 960 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:19,416 was a lot sleazier in terms of the way the times had changed. 961 00:40:19,418 --> 00:40:21,484 Audiences were expecting more. 962 00:40:21,486 --> 00:40:23,253 They certainly offered a more extreme meal 963 00:40:23,255 --> 00:40:24,821 than the early ones had. 964 00:40:24,823 --> 00:40:27,257 Pig, ready for the butcher. 965 00:40:27,259 --> 00:40:30,093 Come, join the woman hunters. 966 00:40:30,095 --> 00:40:33,263 Set your sights on the tastiest game. 967 00:40:33,265 --> 00:40:35,365 Pretty basic formulas. 968 00:40:35,367 --> 00:40:38,334 Women being kidnapped and sold into slavery. 969 00:40:38,336 --> 00:40:41,037 They haul us in there in a cage through the jungle, 970 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:42,338 and they turn us over 971 00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:44,908 to this lesbian, black widow kind of woman... 972 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:46,643 You like to put on a beard when you do it? 973 00:40:46,645 --> 00:40:48,278 Do you dress up like Tarzan, 974 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,746 or do you pretend you're a woman? 975 00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:51,714 Who has her way with us. 976 00:40:51,716 --> 00:40:54,350 Another incredible bevy of beautiful women 977 00:40:54,352 --> 00:40:55,919 who were being hunted down 978 00:40:55,921 --> 00:40:59,522 by these wealthy, industrialist, perverted guys. 979 00:40:59,524 --> 00:41:01,057 We're all pigs. 980 00:41:01,059 --> 00:41:02,559 We're all gonna be slaughtered. 981 00:41:02,561 --> 00:41:05,061 Roger liked that theme where they were the game, 982 00:41:05,063 --> 00:41:06,563 the naked prey, 983 00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:09,065 and literally, having to flee for their lives, 984 00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:10,500 and having to fight the hunter 985 00:41:10,502 --> 00:41:12,936 was a unique way in which to present 986 00:41:12,938 --> 00:41:15,205 a new women-in-jeopardy theme. 987 00:41:15,207 --> 00:41:16,406 Hello, lover. 988 00:41:19,744 --> 00:41:21,244 In the Filipino films, 989 00:41:21,246 --> 00:41:25,014 the best ones are the ones that are trying to do it for real, 990 00:41:25,016 --> 00:41:28,017 are trying to make a good movie. 991 00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:31,087 Failing miserably, but trying. 992 00:41:31,089 --> 00:41:32,589 I would look at making a "b" picture 993 00:41:32,591 --> 00:41:35,091 for a "b" audience with "b" elements, 994 00:41:35,093 --> 00:41:36,693 but not Eddie romero. 995 00:41:36,695 --> 00:41:39,329 Every picture to him was an "a" picture 996 00:41:39,331 --> 00:41:42,432 that had complexity of story. 997 00:41:42,434 --> 00:41:43,800 I wanted to make the characters 998 00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:45,835 and the stories more believable. 999 00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:48,238 My own wife, my closest colleague. 1000 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:49,339 You never understood. 1001 00:41:49,341 --> 00:41:50,607 You never understood! 1002 00:41:50,609 --> 00:41:52,709 Eddie was doing a film with Roger 1003 00:41:52,711 --> 00:41:54,277 called the twilight people. 1004 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:57,514 We had all these characters that were half-human, half-beast, 1005 00:41:57,516 --> 00:41:59,582 and one of the characters was the bat man. 1006 00:41:59,584 --> 00:42:02,051 Eddie sent Roger a long script rewrite 1007 00:42:02,053 --> 00:42:04,554 on how he wanted these characters to interreact 1008 00:42:04,556 --> 00:42:06,356 and so on and develop their stories, 1009 00:42:06,358 --> 00:42:08,558 and Roger sent back a very terse telegram 1010 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,961 which says, "Eddie, just make the goddamn bat fly." 1011 00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:16,399 "You make the bat fly, and we're in business." 1012 00:42:22,274 --> 00:42:24,474 Nobody could really take any of those things that seriously, 1013 00:42:24,476 --> 00:42:26,910 let's face it. 1014 00:42:28,179 --> 00:42:30,079 So it's a take off, 1015 00:42:30,081 --> 00:42:32,415 but it wasn't meant to be amusing. 1016 00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:34,017 You gotta play it straight. 1017 00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:37,220 I would hate to do a film without any trace of humor. 1018 00:42:37,222 --> 00:42:39,822 I don't think there were many spots 1019 00:42:39,824 --> 00:42:41,925 where you'd break out and really laugh 1020 00:42:41,927 --> 00:42:44,661 unless it was really the poor little bat man, 1021 00:42:44,663 --> 00:42:46,629 trying to fly. 1022 00:42:46,631 --> 00:42:48,932 When they decided that there was a limited return 1023 00:42:48,934 --> 00:42:51,267 that you could get from pictures that were r, 1024 00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:52,969 then they said, "okay, we'll make some pgs. 1025 00:42:52,971 --> 00:42:54,304 We'll make some fantasy pictures." 1026 00:42:54,306 --> 00:42:58,808 A movie about Atlantis with fish monsters. 1027 00:42:58,810 --> 00:43:00,043 They were odd-looking creatures, 1028 00:43:00,045 --> 00:43:01,344 except for Leigh Christian, 1029 00:43:01,346 --> 00:43:03,580 who was a terrific-looking creature. 1030 00:43:03,582 --> 00:43:06,082 And also John Wayne's son as the star. 1031 00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:07,383 What's the pitch? 1032 00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:08,952 Ashley assured me that they were going to attempt 1033 00:43:08,954 --> 00:43:10,853 to do something on a higher level, 1034 00:43:10,855 --> 00:43:12,722 certainly a pg level. 1035 00:43:12,724 --> 00:43:15,925 A primeval priestess leads a people from a kingdom 1036 00:43:15,927 --> 00:43:20,430 beneath the sea to a blazing battleground above. 1037 00:43:21,466 --> 00:43:23,633 Beyond Atlantis. 1038 00:43:23,635 --> 00:43:25,268 That's almost always the kiss of death, 1039 00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:26,302 because people who don't know how to make 1040 00:43:26,304 --> 00:43:27,937 fantasy pictures for families 1041 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:30,873 end up making fantasy pictures that don't work for families. 1042 00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:32,275 Cannibal fish. 1043 00:43:32,277 --> 00:43:36,813 - We need a rope. - I got one. 1044 00:43:36,815 --> 00:43:39,983 My father and I kept this hybrid society going 1045 00:43:39,985 --> 00:43:43,319 by having me mate with humans. 1046 00:43:43,321 --> 00:43:46,889 It is your destiny to mate with an outsider, 1047 00:43:46,891 --> 00:43:48,524 not to love him. 1048 00:43:48,526 --> 00:43:51,060 It was, like, highly improbable. 1049 00:43:51,062 --> 00:43:52,762 You had to suspend disbelief 1050 00:43:52,764 --> 00:43:54,497 along the way for all of this stuff. 1051 00:43:54,499 --> 00:43:56,165 I wasn't very happy with the script. 1052 00:43:56,167 --> 00:43:58,234 We tried to do what we could with it. 1053 00:43:58,236 --> 00:44:01,704 I kind of, like, got the idea that people cared about it. 1054 00:44:01,706 --> 00:44:04,340 I'm given a script, and I do what I'm told, 1055 00:44:04,342 --> 00:44:11,614 and I collect my pay check and go home. 1056 00:44:11,616 --> 00:44:14,317 Eddie romero got the idea that the scenes 1057 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:17,754 that I did with Pam grier were incredibly sexy. 1058 00:44:17,756 --> 00:44:19,088 Perverted but sexy. 1059 00:44:19,090 --> 00:44:20,456 And so he thought that, 1060 00:44:20,458 --> 00:44:24,327 "God, it would be great if we had him with two girls. 1061 00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:27,296 That's gotta be twice as sexy, right?" 1062 00:44:27,298 --> 00:44:31,034 Then we did savage sisters, and I had four women. 1063 00:44:31,036 --> 00:44:33,202 Come on, girls. Line up for your present! 1064 00:44:33,204 --> 00:44:35,104 "Oh, God. This is totally nuts." 1065 00:44:35,106 --> 00:44:38,141 But I wound up the whole deal by shooting all four. 1066 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680 Ha ha! 1067 00:44:43,682 --> 00:44:45,615 You needed only one bullet last time. 1068 00:44:45,617 --> 00:44:48,117 Stinkin' bitches wouldn't stand still! 1069 00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:49,485 Straighten your tie. 1070 00:44:49,487 --> 00:44:51,154 Shine your shoes. 1071 00:44:51,156 --> 00:44:52,555 Company's coming. 1072 00:44:52,557 --> 00:44:56,225 Three little maids from the toughest school of justice, 1073 00:44:56,227 --> 00:44:57,760 with plenty of ammunition 1074 00:44:57,762 --> 00:45:00,329 stacked in just the right places. 1075 00:45:00,331 --> 00:45:02,632 You couldn't possibly take it seriously. 1076 00:45:02,634 --> 00:45:06,536 It was really a cartoon. 1077 00:45:06,538 --> 00:45:07,737 It was full of sex. 1078 00:45:07,739 --> 00:45:10,807 I'm a dog. 1079 00:45:10,809 --> 00:45:13,409 What kind? 1080 00:45:13,411 --> 00:45:15,411 A whipped dog. 1081 00:45:15,413 --> 00:45:16,446 Money. 1082 00:45:16,448 --> 00:45:17,747 Greenback salad. 1083 00:45:17,749 --> 00:45:18,748 My favorite dish. 1084 00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:20,083 Killings. 1085 00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:22,652 I guess this is where we blow your stinking heads off! 1086 00:45:23,688 --> 00:45:25,188 Anything you can think of. 1087 00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:26,689 I enjoyed doing that. 1088 00:45:26,691 --> 00:45:29,625 But there were limits to what I could do with the material. 1089 00:45:29,627 --> 00:45:31,728 You look kind of sexy, all tied up like that. 1090 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:33,563 Well, I used to think I'd let all of you pee in my face 1091 00:45:33,565 --> 00:45:36,199 just to see where it came from, but, hell, not anymore. 1092 00:45:36,201 --> 00:45:38,234 I don't know if I want to become so descriptive 1093 00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:40,136 of what I had to do in the movie, 1094 00:45:40,138 --> 00:45:41,904 but if you could just take your imagination 1095 00:45:41,906 --> 00:45:44,273 of a little part of a man's body 1096 00:45:44,275 --> 00:45:46,743 and have a good time with it and tear it off. 1097 00:45:48,546 --> 00:45:51,314 Things were a little tense, but I think it came off alright. 1098 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,082 To say I'm proud of the movie? 1099 00:45:53,084 --> 00:45:54,317 No. 1100 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:55,785 These are not really the kind of films 1101 00:45:55,787 --> 00:45:57,687 that I've been longing to make. 1102 00:45:57,689 --> 00:45:59,222 They were the films that I had to make 1103 00:45:59,224 --> 00:46:02,091 considering what the market had to offer 1104 00:46:02,093 --> 00:46:05,094 and what the market wanted. 1105 00:46:05,096 --> 00:46:07,230 Eddie's a very honorable man, 1106 00:46:07,232 --> 00:46:09,365 and whatever he did, he always gave it his best shot, 1107 00:46:09,367 --> 00:46:12,635 and sometimes it didn't live up to his hopes and expectations, 1108 00:46:12,637 --> 00:46:14,036 but what else is new? 1109 00:46:14,038 --> 00:46:16,005 He wasn't proud of the films 1110 00:46:16,007 --> 00:46:18,107 and pretty much disavowed them late in his career. 1111 00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:19,408 I was always tired, 1112 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:23,746 but I felt, you know, I had little choice. 1113 00:46:23,748 --> 00:46:27,884 He's now national artist for cinema and a grand old man, 1114 00:46:27,886 --> 00:46:29,252 which is pretty amazing for a guy 1115 00:46:29,254 --> 00:46:32,622 who started with terror is a man. 1116 00:46:40,031 --> 00:46:42,431 Cirio Santiago was kind of the next generation 1117 00:46:42,433 --> 00:46:44,867 of filmmakers after Eddie romero. 1118 00:46:44,869 --> 00:46:46,736 They saw what Eddie had done and they thought, 1119 00:46:46,738 --> 00:46:48,070 "well, we can have some of that." 1120 00:46:48,072 --> 00:46:50,773 Here comes this Maverick director, cirio, 1121 00:46:50,775 --> 00:46:55,611 who saw in the Filipino films that they produced, you know, 1122 00:46:55,613 --> 00:46:59,582 something that was not Hollywood enough. 1123 00:46:59,584 --> 00:47:02,451 He was making philippine films when I met him, 1124 00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:06,155 and then he made the transition to working with me. 1125 00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:08,758 He asked me if I wanted to direct for this market. 1126 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,827 I said, "yeah, I would direct for free." 1127 00:47:10,829 --> 00:47:13,095 He said, "well, I'll pay you $3,000." 1128 00:47:13,097 --> 00:47:16,132 The first film cirio directed for me was savage. 1129 00:47:16,134 --> 00:47:17,200 Savage! 1130 00:47:17,202 --> 00:47:18,701 That's his name. 1131 00:47:18,703 --> 00:47:20,203 The biggest dude with the baddest gun. 1132 00:47:20,205 --> 00:47:21,437 He's more than a man. 1133 00:47:21,439 --> 00:47:23,139 He's a death machine. 1134 00:47:23,141 --> 00:47:25,074 Now they found his new hero. 1135 00:47:25,076 --> 00:47:26,843 This savage, they call him. 1136 00:47:26,845 --> 00:47:29,745 I had grown tired of the women-in-prison genre, 1137 00:47:29,747 --> 00:47:33,516 and I felt this black soldier of fortune action film 1138 00:47:33,518 --> 00:47:35,218 might do well. 1139 00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:38,120 Let's do something to excite the imagination of the people. 1140 00:47:38,122 --> 00:47:40,022 Something dramatic. 1141 00:47:40,024 --> 00:47:41,924 It'll be dramatic, all right. 1142 00:47:44,162 --> 00:47:46,295 That was a time when black films 1143 00:47:46,297 --> 00:47:49,332 were very special in drive-ins. 1144 00:47:49,334 --> 00:47:50,633 They were very big. 1145 00:47:50,635 --> 00:47:51,868 Stronger than slaughter, 1146 00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:53,369 slicker than shaft, 1147 00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:57,173 more super high than super fly. 1148 00:47:57,175 --> 00:47:58,774 Savage! 1149 00:47:58,776 --> 00:48:00,176 Cirio was a good director, 1150 00:48:00,178 --> 00:48:03,779 and he got the army to come in for the big scenes. 1151 00:48:03,781 --> 00:48:05,748 Fire, all units! 1152 00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:08,885 So we really had a fairly big-looking film 1153 00:48:08,887 --> 00:48:10,519 for a small amount of money. 1154 00:48:10,521 --> 00:48:13,456 Savage is still a pretty shitty movie. 1155 00:48:13,458 --> 00:48:15,424 That's what you call an understatement. 1156 00:48:15,426 --> 00:48:19,061 Tnt Jackson, black bombshell with a short fuse. 1157 00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:21,464 The basic idea behind tnt Jackson 1158 00:48:21,466 --> 00:48:24,834 was to combine the black exploitation concept 1159 00:48:24,836 --> 00:48:26,569 with kung fu. 1160 00:48:26,571 --> 00:48:32,141 You want it black, you got it black. 1161 00:48:32,143 --> 00:48:34,944 Roger called me up one day and said we had a script. 1162 00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:35,978 I had read the theme. 1163 00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:37,647 It didn't seem to read right. 1164 00:48:37,649 --> 00:48:39,348 So he said, "well, you rewrite it." 1165 00:48:39,350 --> 00:48:40,983 It was started by dick, 1166 00:48:40,985 --> 00:48:42,551 and he got, I think, $500. 1167 00:48:42,553 --> 00:48:43,920 Roger said, 1168 00:48:43,922 --> 00:48:45,655 "well aren't you going to write any more?" 1169 00:48:45,657 --> 00:48:47,890 I said, "I'm finished." 1170 00:48:47,892 --> 00:48:52,495 And he said, "I wanted to get my money's worth." 1171 00:48:52,497 --> 00:48:53,863 I heard him talk. 1172 00:48:53,865 --> 00:48:55,331 He said, for $500, what do you want, 1173 00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:56,532 gone with the wind? 1174 00:48:56,534 --> 00:48:58,701 I know very little about kung fu. 1175 00:48:58,703 --> 00:49:00,870 The idea is to get as much as you can 1176 00:49:00,872 --> 00:49:03,472 on film at that time, so you write a good sentence. 1177 00:49:03,474 --> 00:49:08,311 You write, "the battle begins. 1178 00:49:08,313 --> 00:49:11,113 That can be, you know, months of shooting. 1179 00:49:11,115 --> 00:49:14,817 You got it covered in one sentence. 1180 00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:17,119 It was fast and furious. 1181 00:49:18,156 --> 00:49:19,455 It starred Jeannie bell. 1182 00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:22,992 The name is Diana Jackson. 1183 00:49:22,994 --> 00:49:24,293 Damn. 1184 00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:25,962 Tnt to you. 1185 00:49:25,964 --> 00:49:27,663 She was an unknown, so I said, 1186 00:49:27,665 --> 00:49:30,299 "we've got to publicize Jeannie bell." 1187 00:49:30,301 --> 00:49:31,434 My wife at the time, Sylvia, 1188 00:49:31,436 --> 00:49:34,270 came up with the idea of a fake award. 1189 00:49:34,272 --> 00:49:36,973 The first annual ebony fist award 1190 00:49:36,975 --> 00:49:40,977 as the greatest black kung fu fighter in the world. 1191 00:49:40,979 --> 00:49:42,345 She was a two-time winner. 1192 00:49:42,347 --> 00:49:44,146 She was a two-time winner, exactly. 1193 00:49:44,148 --> 00:49:46,749 Jon davison, who was the head of our publicity, 1194 00:49:46,751 --> 00:49:50,219 came up with a great catchline: "Tnt Jackson..." 1195 00:49:50,221 --> 00:49:53,689 "She'll put you in traction." 1196 00:49:53,691 --> 00:49:57,326 With that dynamite bod, she's a jet-black hit squad. 1197 00:49:57,328 --> 00:49:59,395 You'd better treat her fine, or she'll shatter your spine. 1198 00:49:59,397 --> 00:50:01,097 You'll know you've been kissed by her ebony fist 1199 00:50:01,099 --> 00:50:03,699 when the blood from her face stains your diamond necklace. 1200 00:50:03,701 --> 00:50:05,835 That may have only been used in the TV spots. 1201 00:50:05,837 --> 00:50:07,803 She's a one-mama massacre squad. 1202 00:50:07,805 --> 00:50:10,773 This was one of those movies that was not, shall we say, 1203 00:50:10,775 --> 00:50:14,510 in the forefront of the great... even Filipino movies, 1204 00:50:14,512 --> 00:50:16,846 and we had to do a lot of faking in the trailer. 1205 00:50:16,848 --> 00:50:20,149 We just decided to make up a whole subplot about heroin. 1206 00:50:20,151 --> 00:50:22,651 Undercover out to blast a killer army 1207 00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:25,354 that's poisoning the people with deadly China white. 1208 00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:27,656 Deadly China white in black Chinatown 1209 00:50:27,658 --> 00:50:29,492 where the red dragon rules. 1210 00:50:29,494 --> 00:50:30,659 Black Chinatown, 1211 00:50:30,661 --> 00:50:33,329 where flesh is cheap and life is cheaper, 1212 00:50:33,331 --> 00:50:35,264 and the red dragon rules. 1213 00:50:35,266 --> 00:50:38,034 Films like savage! And tnt Jackson 1214 00:50:38,036 --> 00:50:42,772 did bring a different look to the black exploitation films. 1215 00:50:42,774 --> 00:50:44,740 They took it out of the United States of America 1216 00:50:44,742 --> 00:50:47,076 to do black filmmaking, and as a matter of fact, 1217 00:50:47,078 --> 00:50:49,979 you wouldn't think of that in the Philippines. 1218 00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:53,449 Black actors in a new environment. 1219 00:50:53,451 --> 00:50:55,918 It definitely opened up the business. 1220 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,586 Still want to go home? 1221 00:50:57,588 --> 00:51:00,523 Where's home? 1222 00:51:00,525 --> 00:51:02,925 Yeah, I know what you mean. 1223 00:51:02,927 --> 00:51:05,928 I think we've found our turf. 1224 00:51:12,136 --> 00:51:15,171 Once cirio started producing and directing, 1225 00:51:15,173 --> 00:51:16,705 I mean, all bets were off 1226 00:51:16,707 --> 00:51:20,509 in terms of product being, you know, halfway decent. 1227 00:51:20,511 --> 00:51:22,378 They were usually out of focus. 1228 00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:24,713 The sound quality was sometimes terrible. 1229 00:51:24,715 --> 00:51:26,582 There were all sorts of scratches, 1230 00:51:26,584 --> 00:51:27,883 there was gouges, 1231 00:51:27,885 --> 00:51:29,585 and you'd occasionally see, you know, 1232 00:51:29,587 --> 00:51:32,388 could be claw marks from rodents. 1233 00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:33,589 Roll it! 1234 00:51:33,591 --> 00:51:36,559 Roger would just get madder and madder 1235 00:51:36,561 --> 00:51:38,527 during the course of the screenings. 1236 00:51:38,529 --> 00:51:43,299 "I mean, really... we're really screwed this time." 1237 00:51:43,301 --> 00:51:45,201 And they basically needed to be doctored. 1238 00:51:45,203 --> 00:51:47,336 They needed new scenes shot. 1239 00:51:47,338 --> 00:51:50,506 And Roger almost always wants you to add another chase 1240 00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:52,708 or at least another explosion. 1241 00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:55,978 You could hear him screaming at cirio through the walls. 1242 00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:58,848 "You really screwed me, cirio!" 1243 00:51:58,850 --> 00:52:03,419 Break the sex barrier with the stewardesses of fly me. 1244 00:52:03,421 --> 00:52:05,154 Rated r. 1245 00:52:05,156 --> 00:52:08,691 I wasn't supposed to be a karate-kicking stewardess, 1246 00:52:08,693 --> 00:52:10,493 but when we got back to the states, 1247 00:52:10,495 --> 00:52:12,928 they decided that it needed a little bit more punch. 1248 00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:15,498 Fly me,which was another terrible picture, 1249 00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:19,902 had Jonathan demme direct three days at the yamishiro. 1250 00:52:19,904 --> 00:52:22,538 They got David carradine to come in for the day 1251 00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:25,774 and he taught me karate and kung fu in 11/2 hour, 1252 00:52:25,776 --> 00:52:29,478 and then I just beat people up. 1253 00:52:31,149 --> 00:52:32,781 I kicked the shit out of a lot of people, 1254 00:52:32,783 --> 00:52:34,717 is really what I meant to say. 1255 00:52:38,623 --> 00:52:40,055 As the pictures went on, 1256 00:52:40,057 --> 00:52:42,458 they became a little more threadbare, 1257 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:44,059 and when cover girl models rolled around, 1258 00:52:44,061 --> 00:52:47,930 it was pretty much the nadir of the period. 1259 00:52:47,932 --> 00:52:51,767 Authentic oriental crap is what it is. 1260 00:52:51,769 --> 00:52:52,801 But what it did have is 1261 00:52:52,803 --> 00:52:54,003 it did have a lot of dresses, 1262 00:52:54,005 --> 00:52:55,738 because they were supposed to be fashion models, 1263 00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:57,973 and we said they're always overexposed, 1264 00:52:57,975 --> 00:52:59,508 but they're never under-developed. 1265 00:52:59,510 --> 00:53:00,643 Very important. 1266 00:53:00,645 --> 00:53:02,478 This is mark "f stop" Fitzgerald. 1267 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,146 If his camera could talk, 1268 00:53:04,148 --> 00:53:07,016 he'd be in jail for statutory rape. 1269 00:53:07,018 --> 00:53:08,984 It's one of the best trailers we made. 1270 00:53:08,986 --> 00:53:10,719 It doesn't reflect the movie at all. 1271 00:53:10,721 --> 00:53:12,188 At some point, someone is running 1272 00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:13,956 and fires a gun in the air, 1273 00:53:13,958 --> 00:53:15,057 and you cut to a helicopter. 1274 00:53:15,059 --> 00:53:16,258 Now that's the picture 1275 00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:17,593 where the exploding helicopter came from, 1276 00:53:17,595 --> 00:53:20,429 and we learned that any time anybody fired a gun, 1277 00:53:20,431 --> 00:53:22,264 if you cut to the exploding helicopter, 1278 00:53:22,266 --> 00:53:23,466 it looked like they blew it up. 1279 00:53:23,467 --> 00:53:25,634 So later, when we found even, you know, 1280 00:53:25,636 --> 00:53:28,671 less attractive movies were coming our way, 1281 00:53:28,673 --> 00:53:32,174 we've always had the exploding helicopter in our drawer. 1282 00:53:32,176 --> 00:53:35,010 They pinned her a criminal in Jackson county jail. 1283 00:53:35,012 --> 00:53:37,413 As a viewer, you would see new world trailers and go, 1284 00:53:37,415 --> 00:53:40,216 wasn't that explosion in eat my dust? 1285 00:53:40,218 --> 00:53:41,750 So I used to look at these things and say, 1286 00:53:41,752 --> 00:53:43,185 "these are brilliant." 1287 00:53:43,187 --> 00:53:45,788 In some cases, the trailers are better than the films. 1288 00:53:45,790 --> 00:53:47,256 Steve carver did a lot of trailers 1289 00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:49,725 for Roger before he moved on to directing for Roger, 1290 00:53:49,727 --> 00:53:52,595 and he came up with some of the more memorable catchphrases, 1291 00:53:52,597 --> 00:53:54,496 one of which was... 1292 00:53:54,498 --> 00:53:56,498 They wanted love... 1293 00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,634 "He gave them terror and death." 1294 00:53:58,636 --> 00:54:00,736 We did push the limits whenever possible. 1295 00:54:00,738 --> 00:54:05,274 On or off duty, they always come when you call. 1296 00:54:05,276 --> 00:54:07,076 There were a lot of tricks that I employed, 1297 00:54:07,078 --> 00:54:09,044 learning from Roger, of course. 1298 00:54:09,046 --> 00:54:12,014 How to distract the rating people. 1299 00:54:12,016 --> 00:54:13,215 Wow! 1300 00:54:13,217 --> 00:54:14,984 If something was coming up on the trailer, 1301 00:54:14,986 --> 00:54:16,552 all I had to do was say something, 1302 00:54:16,554 --> 00:54:18,254 they'd turn their heads and miss it. 1303 00:54:18,256 --> 00:54:21,290 Learn the bare facts from the summer school teachers. 1304 00:54:21,292 --> 00:54:24,059 And that's how we got a lot of that stuff by. 1305 00:54:24,061 --> 00:54:27,162 Jon davison bet Roger corman that he could make 1306 00:54:27,164 --> 00:54:28,631 the lowest-budget picture 1307 00:54:28,633 --> 00:54:30,332 they had ever made at new world at that time. 1308 00:54:30,334 --> 00:54:32,701 Welcome to miracle pictures, 1309 00:54:32,703 --> 00:54:34,336 where they make a picture a week, 1310 00:54:34,338 --> 00:54:37,673 and if it's a good picture it's a miracle. 1311 00:54:37,675 --> 00:54:39,141 I said, "what is the film?" 1312 00:54:39,143 --> 00:54:41,143 They said, it's going to be Hollywood boulevard, 1313 00:54:41,145 --> 00:54:43,312 and it will be a parody 1314 00:54:43,314 --> 00:54:46,949 of a low-budget motion picture production company. 1315 00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:49,118 Girls, I've called you all here 1316 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,420 to offer you a glorious opportunity. 1317 00:54:51,422 --> 00:54:52,755 Look out. 1318 00:54:52,757 --> 00:54:54,590 It is machete maidens of mora tao. 1319 00:54:54,592 --> 00:54:56,191 Miracle pictures' new super spectacle 1320 00:54:56,193 --> 00:54:57,626 shot entirely in the Philippines! 1321 00:54:57,628 --> 00:54:58,861 We were making fun of something 1322 00:54:58,863 --> 00:55:00,195 that we knew very well. 1323 00:55:00,197 --> 00:55:03,032 We did this under the guise of a movie making plot, 1324 00:55:03,034 --> 00:55:04,600 and the girls go to the Philippines, 1325 00:55:04,602 --> 00:55:06,302 and they shoot filipinos out of trees. 1326 00:55:06,304 --> 00:55:09,038 But the filipinos falling down are from another picture. 1327 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,875 But we went out to Malibu and shot the starlets 1328 00:55:12,877 --> 00:55:14,910 with machine guns firing away. 1329 00:55:14,912 --> 00:55:16,011 Go! 1330 00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:17,980 Go! I want action! 1331 00:55:17,982 --> 00:55:19,114 There's a scene where they try 1332 00:55:19,116 --> 00:55:21,383 to get Mary woronov to meet some dogs, 1333 00:55:21,385 --> 00:55:23,686 and it's just because we had this shot of this Filipino guy 1334 00:55:23,688 --> 00:55:25,120 holding these vicious dogs. 1335 00:55:25,122 --> 00:55:31,126 So we just shot a scene that was the other angle. 1336 00:55:31,128 --> 00:55:32,394 That whole movie doesn't exist 1337 00:55:32,396 --> 00:55:34,730 except for the existing material. 1338 00:55:34,732 --> 00:55:36,031 Why is there a cut to that pig? 1339 00:55:36,033 --> 00:55:37,566 Well, 'cause the pig was in the Philippines 1340 00:55:37,568 --> 00:55:40,369 and we were here, and it was a free pig. 1341 00:55:40,371 --> 00:55:41,737 Ten days. Two units, two days. 1342 00:55:41,739 --> 00:55:43,238 No waiting. Two units, no waiting. 1343 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:44,807 Two directors, no waiting. 1344 00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:47,476 Roger said it was the best ten-day picture of the decade. 1345 00:55:47,478 --> 00:55:49,044 It did reflect the spirit of new world, 1346 00:55:49,046 --> 00:55:50,579 as a matter of fact. 1347 00:55:50,581 --> 00:55:52,581 A number of directors who had started with us 1348 00:55:52,583 --> 00:55:56,518 and moved on came back to play roles in the picture. 1349 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,622 Paul bartel came back as a totally pretentious director 1350 00:56:00,624 --> 00:56:04,626 of a low-budget nonsense picture. 1351 00:56:04,628 --> 00:56:06,128 You tell the writer, p.G., 1352 00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:09,064 that we have taken his empty, flaccid, stupid little story 1353 00:56:09,066 --> 00:56:12,401 and firmed it up into a pulsating, penetrating, 1354 00:56:12,403 --> 00:56:17,005 thrusting, unflinching look into the future. 1355 00:56:17,007 --> 00:56:18,207 Now, when you look back at it, 1356 00:56:18,209 --> 00:56:19,475 it's kind of a documentary 1357 00:56:19,477 --> 00:56:21,477 of how new world pictures were really made. 1358 00:56:21,479 --> 00:56:23,879 If you wanted a job with Roger corman, 1359 00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:26,415 he would, like, give you a broom. 1360 00:56:26,417 --> 00:56:31,320 And if you did a really good job sweeping up, he would say, 1361 00:56:31,322 --> 00:56:34,490 "would you like to be assistant editor on this film?" 1362 00:56:34,492 --> 00:56:37,526 And if you did a really poor job sweeping up, 1363 00:56:37,528 --> 00:56:40,095 you know, you just stayed sweeping. 1364 00:56:40,097 --> 00:56:43,399 It was an absolutely terrific place to be a young editor 1365 00:56:43,401 --> 00:56:46,869 or young director or somebody who wanted to direct. 1366 00:56:46,871 --> 00:56:49,705 I would say that this is maybe the finest moment 1367 00:56:49,707 --> 00:56:54,510 in my motion picture career. 1368 00:56:54,512 --> 00:56:57,679 I respect and I admire Roger corman, 1369 00:56:57,681 --> 00:56:59,615 but he is so full of shit. 1370 00:56:59,617 --> 00:57:01,116 He's about money. 1371 00:57:01,118 --> 00:57:04,753 Roger's about money, and because he's about money, 1372 00:57:04,755 --> 00:57:08,357 he has given many, many people their breaks, which means, 1373 00:57:08,359 --> 00:57:11,727 "I'm going to let you break your ass 1374 00:57:11,729 --> 00:57:13,629 "and work so hard for me, 1375 00:57:13,631 --> 00:57:16,365 "not pay you, make millions, 1376 00:57:16,367 --> 00:57:18,500 but you'll have made a movie." 1377 00:57:18,502 --> 00:57:19,802 And believe it or not, 1378 00:57:19,804 --> 00:57:22,104 that's not a bad deal for a lot of people. 1379 00:57:22,106 --> 00:57:24,606 And you look at all the people who started with corman. 1380 00:57:24,608 --> 00:57:26,909 But you don't hear Bobby de niro saying, 1381 00:57:26,911 --> 00:57:28,977 "Roger gave me my start." 1382 00:57:28,979 --> 00:57:31,680 He says, "that fucker still owes me money." 1383 00:57:31,682 --> 00:57:32,881 Roger loves films. 1384 00:57:32,883 --> 00:57:35,250 You know, Roger loves, in his own way. 1385 00:57:35,252 --> 00:57:37,219 As he says there's only three ways to make films: 1386 00:57:37,221 --> 00:57:39,154 The right way, the wrong way, the corman way. 1387 00:57:39,156 --> 00:57:42,257 You shoot the beginning, the end, and the action. 1388 00:57:44,395 --> 00:57:45,627 And the sex. 1389 00:57:45,629 --> 00:57:47,463 "We want frontal nudity from the waist up, 1390 00:57:47,465 --> 00:57:48,664 "total nudity from behind, 1391 00:57:48,666 --> 00:57:50,899 no pubic hair, go to work." 1392 00:57:50,901 --> 00:57:53,869 Everything else, all the dialogue scenes 1393 00:57:53,871 --> 00:57:57,306 and all of the developmental scenes of the characters, 1394 00:57:57,308 --> 00:57:59,641 those are left up to the editing, 1395 00:57:59,643 --> 00:58:01,510 and you shoot them very sparsely. 1396 00:58:01,512 --> 00:58:03,078 Go to your cameraman and say, 1397 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,280 "how long to make it excellent? 1398 00:58:05,282 --> 00:58:06,849 How long to make it good? 1399 00:58:06,851 --> 00:58:07,950 And how long to get an image?" 1400 00:58:07,952 --> 00:58:11,587 And then get the image. 1401 00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:12,921 It's nonsense. 1402 00:58:12,923 --> 00:58:15,390 I mean, I have no idea how these stories come up. 1403 00:58:23,067 --> 00:58:25,100 From the start of the partnership with Roger, 1404 00:58:25,102 --> 00:58:27,703 cirio was able to also produce and direct 1405 00:58:27,705 --> 00:58:29,538 for other film companies. 1406 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:31,306 Ebony, ivory, and jade: 1407 00:58:31,308 --> 00:58:34,877 Three foxy mamas with a thousand ways to kill. 1408 00:58:34,879 --> 00:58:38,347 In ebony, ivory, and jade, I play ebony, 1409 00:58:38,349 --> 00:58:43,118 and I'm a track star and my rival, ivory, 1410 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,353 and my best friend, jade, 1411 00:58:44,355 --> 00:58:48,690 get kidnapped by some terrorists. 1412 00:58:48,692 --> 00:58:49,992 What the hell is this? 1413 00:58:49,994 --> 00:58:53,395 If you say one word, you die. 1414 00:58:55,299 --> 00:58:59,601 And we have to karate chop our way to freedom. 1415 00:58:59,603 --> 00:59:02,437 These sisters got soul they can't control. 1416 00:59:02,439 --> 00:59:03,472 There's action. 1417 00:59:05,276 --> 00:59:06,642 Pretty girls. 1418 00:59:06,644 --> 00:59:08,210 I'm ready for my close up, Cecil b. De Mille. 1419 00:59:08,212 --> 00:59:09,645 Kind of campy dialogue. 1420 00:59:09,647 --> 00:59:11,380 Oh, stop talking like a martyr's ass. 1421 00:59:11,382 --> 00:59:13,749 All you're trying to be is another black martyr. 1422 00:59:13,751 --> 00:59:14,983 With exploitation movies, 1423 00:59:14,985 --> 00:59:16,618 dialogue and acting is always the problem. 1424 00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:24,620 You want the film to move fast so you have a lot of action. 1425 00:59:25,796 --> 00:59:27,296 Whatever you do, don't fall down, 1426 00:59:27,298 --> 00:59:29,298 because if cirio wants to cut you out of the picture, 1427 00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:31,800 all he has to do is cut to a guy firing a gun, 1428 00:59:31,802 --> 00:59:34,102 and you're out, and you're home, you're gone. 1429 00:59:34,104 --> 00:59:36,738 He was trying to do... do the American films 1430 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:38,974 within a limited budget and limited time. 1431 00:59:38,976 --> 00:59:41,777 He understood that kind of exploitation template 1432 00:59:41,779 --> 00:59:43,512 with the humor. 1433 00:59:43,514 --> 00:59:46,014 We got mosquitoes, we've got ants, 1434 00:59:46,016 --> 00:59:48,650 we've got no can opener. 1435 00:59:50,087 --> 00:59:51,720 Dinner is served. 1436 00:59:51,722 --> 00:59:52,788 That's what I wanted to do. 1437 00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:53,855 This is fun. 1438 00:59:53,857 --> 00:59:55,290 Don't take me seriously. 1439 00:59:55,292 --> 00:59:57,059 The muthers to me, you know, 1440 00:59:57,061 --> 00:59:58,160 it was what it was. 1441 00:59:58,162 --> 01:00:02,664 Sexual exploitation in the jungle. 1442 01:00:02,666 --> 01:00:05,033 Just like every other snake I ever met: 1443 01:00:05,035 --> 01:00:07,502 Can't leave my tits alone. 1444 01:00:07,504 --> 01:00:10,038 And the storyline was... 1445 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,641 We were two black female pirates. 1446 01:00:12,643 --> 01:00:14,476 The lead pirate, Jeannie bell, 1447 01:00:14,478 --> 01:00:16,612 her sister has disappeared. 1448 01:00:16,614 --> 01:00:17,879 Do you have any idea where she went? 1449 01:00:17,881 --> 01:00:19,681 When little Sandra gets out of camp, 1450 01:00:19,683 --> 01:00:21,416 she doesn't leave her itinerary. 1451 01:00:21,418 --> 01:00:23,218 We get into the plantations 1452 01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:26,588 so we can take her out, and she gets killed. 1453 01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:29,257 Then we have to find a way to get out ourselves. 1454 01:00:29,259 --> 01:00:31,660 Didn't you know? There's no way out. 1455 01:00:31,662 --> 01:00:32,794 There's my way. 1456 01:00:37,935 --> 01:00:40,836 It's one of the few movies, I know for decades, 1457 01:00:40,838 --> 01:00:44,506 where four black actresses play the lead. 1458 01:00:46,043 --> 01:00:49,478 One of the things that we all had hoped for in Hollywood 1459 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,913 was the opportunity to get into a script 1460 01:00:51,915 --> 01:00:54,016 where it didn't really matter what color you were. 1461 01:00:54,018 --> 01:00:57,819 We're not trying to be black or against the white woman. 1462 01:00:59,323 --> 01:01:02,391 Just out there, wanting to get our freedom. 1463 01:01:02,393 --> 01:01:04,626 And it has nothing to do with what color you are. 1464 01:01:04,628 --> 01:01:08,030 It has to do with survival. 1465 01:01:08,032 --> 01:01:11,099 The only other parts that were available for me were hookers 1466 01:01:11,101 --> 01:01:13,902 so I'd rather beat 'em up than be beat up. 1467 01:01:22,780 --> 01:01:25,681 Firecracker was an idea of cirio's. 1468 01:01:25,683 --> 01:01:28,250 Tnt Jackson had been so successful, 1469 01:01:28,252 --> 01:01:30,452 he felt we should make a similar film, 1470 01:01:30,454 --> 01:01:32,921 but make it with a white girl. 1471 01:01:32,923 --> 01:01:34,523 See Jillian kesner, 1472 01:01:34,525 --> 01:01:37,225 grand prize winner at the black belt Olympics. 1473 01:01:37,227 --> 01:01:40,062 She'll mix seduction with destruction. 1474 01:01:40,064 --> 01:01:41,563 She was a real trooper. 1475 01:01:41,565 --> 01:01:44,199 She didn't know that much about martial arts at the time, 1476 01:01:44,201 --> 01:01:47,436 but she really studied hard and went full bore. 1477 01:01:55,045 --> 01:01:56,645 The final showdown was interesting. 1478 01:01:56,647 --> 01:01:59,815 They said, "okay, we have these collapsible sticks, 1479 01:01:59,817 --> 01:02:02,050 "and she's gonna jump up and come down, 1480 01:02:02,052 --> 01:02:03,652 "and gently push them on your eyes, 1481 01:02:03,654 --> 01:02:05,854 "and they will collapse into themselves 1482 01:02:05,856 --> 01:02:07,823 and maybe some blood squirt out." 1483 01:02:07,825 --> 01:02:11,293 And I'm like, "really? Let me see them." 1484 01:02:11,295 --> 01:02:13,328 And they, like, showed me on a dummy, 1485 01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:14,596 and of course they stuck, 1486 01:02:14,598 --> 01:02:16,631 and the guy's jamming them down. 1487 01:02:16,633 --> 01:02:18,900 I said, "you know, I don't think I want Jillian 1488 01:02:18,902 --> 01:02:20,368 to push those down on my eyes." 1489 01:02:20,370 --> 01:02:23,105 So of course they used a mannequin at that point. 1490 01:02:23,107 --> 01:02:24,740 In the end, when they showed that sequence, 1491 01:02:24,742 --> 01:02:27,776 and she jumped up and, you know, my eyes squirted out, 1492 01:02:27,778 --> 01:02:30,378 my mum literally almost had a heart attack. 1493 01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:32,347 At that point she jumped out of her chair 1494 01:02:32,349 --> 01:02:34,015 and was like, "oh, my God!" 1495 01:02:34,017 --> 01:02:35,584 Firecracker. 1496 01:02:35,586 --> 01:02:38,220 The screen's first erotic kung fu classic. 1497 01:02:38,222 --> 01:02:39,588 Cirio lived a dream. 1498 01:02:39,590 --> 01:02:42,290 He basically, you know, worked on a film 1499 01:02:42,292 --> 01:02:44,826 every day of his adult life. 1500 01:02:44,828 --> 01:02:47,662 American films, I did about close to 40. 1501 01:02:47,664 --> 01:02:51,366 Filipino films I made about 63. 1502 01:02:51,368 --> 01:02:52,768 More than a hundred. 1503 01:02:52,770 --> 01:02:55,070 He had diplomatic immunity for a number of years 1504 01:02:55,072 --> 01:02:56,505 which was a good thing, 1505 01:02:56,507 --> 01:02:58,573 considering the pictures he made. 1506 01:02:58,575 --> 01:02:59,641 Vampire. 1507 01:02:59,643 --> 01:03:01,409 We are all vampires. 1508 01:03:01,411 --> 01:03:03,578 We're all dead. 1509 01:03:03,580 --> 01:03:05,480 And we are like you very much. 1510 01:03:05,482 --> 01:03:06,648 Vampire hookers. 1511 01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:08,116 Yeah, it was awful. 1512 01:03:08,118 --> 01:03:11,119 Coffins are for being laid to rest, not for being laid. 1513 01:03:11,121 --> 01:03:12,487 The catchline was 1514 01:03:12,489 --> 01:03:14,389 "blood ain't the only thing they suck." 1515 01:03:14,391 --> 01:03:15,891 Imagine that. 1516 01:03:15,893 --> 01:03:18,460 I used to tell his cast and their crew, 1517 01:03:18,462 --> 01:03:21,463 "don't think that we're making a "b" movie. 1518 01:03:21,465 --> 01:03:24,432 Think that we're making the best movie we can make." 1519 01:03:24,434 --> 01:03:25,801 Cirio was a pioneer. 1520 01:03:25,803 --> 01:03:27,035 Now we're having a hard time 1521 01:03:27,037 --> 01:03:28,703 getting into the international market, 1522 01:03:28,705 --> 01:03:29,905 but he was there ahead, 1523 01:03:29,907 --> 01:03:32,874 and although he denied they were done here, 1524 01:03:32,876 --> 01:03:36,912 I think he was still proudly Filipino. 1525 01:03:42,352 --> 01:03:44,820 Bobby Suarez was a guy who'd worked for rank, 1526 01:03:44,822 --> 01:03:46,855 in the English film producer and distributor. 1527 01:03:46,857 --> 01:03:48,690 The big difference between cirio and Bobby 1528 01:03:48,692 --> 01:03:50,525 was cirio was personally unflappable, 1529 01:03:50,527 --> 01:03:52,961 but Bobby was like a spark. 1530 01:03:52,963 --> 01:03:54,329 He did the whole film 1531 01:03:54,331 --> 01:03:56,698 with a cocked .45 automatic in his belt, 1532 01:03:56,700 --> 01:03:59,901 and every now and then he'd just shoot at something. 1533 01:03:59,903 --> 01:04:02,904 It kept everybody really nervous, and in line. 1534 01:04:02,906 --> 01:04:04,372 Nobody gave him any lip. 1535 01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:06,374 He's very proud of the fact that he was a Filipino 1536 01:04:06,376 --> 01:04:07,475 and he had this opportunity 1537 01:04:07,477 --> 01:04:09,945 to make a little noise for the country 1538 01:04:09,947 --> 01:04:11,546 as far as his films were concerned. 1539 01:04:11,548 --> 01:04:14,149 He was a salesman as well as a film producer, 1540 01:04:14,151 --> 01:04:16,017 so as he's making his movies, 1541 01:04:16,019 --> 01:04:18,153 he's thinking what is commercial and what will sell, 1542 01:04:18,155 --> 01:04:21,256 what is needed in the Western world. 1543 01:04:21,258 --> 01:04:22,858 The plots always got very confusing. 1544 01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:24,059 What's going on? 1545 01:04:24,061 --> 01:04:25,727 I never really knew who the bad guys were. 1546 01:04:25,729 --> 01:04:27,162 Who? Where? 1547 01:04:27,164 --> 01:04:29,164 I didn't really understand what they were doing, 1548 01:04:29,166 --> 01:04:30,866 but they were bad, so I killed 'em. 1549 01:04:34,638 --> 01:04:37,105 I figured no one's ever gonna see this. 1550 01:04:37,107 --> 01:04:38,874 Money was always scarce. 1551 01:04:38,876 --> 01:04:40,208 We had car chases, 1552 01:04:40,210 --> 01:04:42,110 and because they ended up wrecking the cars, 1553 01:04:42,112 --> 01:04:43,678 they didn't want to get a really good car. 1554 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,081 And they'd do flat out 35 Miles an hour. 1555 01:04:46,083 --> 01:04:49,885 I remember doing one car chase, and traffic's passing us by, 1556 01:04:49,887 --> 01:04:52,220 and we were supposed to be speeding along. 1557 01:04:52,222 --> 01:04:53,955 The breakthrough movie for Bobby Suarez 1558 01:04:53,957 --> 01:04:56,658 was Cleopatra wong. 1559 01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:57,993 She's a fighter. 1560 01:04:57,995 --> 01:05:01,396 She's a mean machine. 1561 01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:04,933 It's about a syndicate that took over a nunnery. 1562 01:05:04,935 --> 01:05:07,602 They actually capture the nuns. 1563 01:05:07,604 --> 01:05:09,271 Don't tell me that nuns in this country 1564 01:05:09,273 --> 01:05:10,739 sport automatic rifles 1565 01:05:10,741 --> 01:05:12,374 underneath their monastic uniforms. 1566 01:05:12,376 --> 01:05:14,643 Like all exploitation movies, it's got these scenes 1567 01:05:14,645 --> 01:05:18,380 in it that stick in your brain. 1568 01:05:19,917 --> 01:05:22,350 The finale, where the convent was blown up, 1569 01:05:22,352 --> 01:05:25,420 there were so many guys dressed up as nuns 1570 01:05:25,422 --> 01:05:27,889 and they never seemed to die, you know. 1571 01:05:27,891 --> 01:05:29,391 They keep on coming, 1572 01:05:29,393 --> 01:05:31,159 and those scenes were all in slo-mo. 1573 01:05:31,161 --> 01:05:33,061 And you kind of think, "well, if all of the film 1574 01:05:33,063 --> 01:05:34,596 "was as powerful as that, 1575 01:05:34,598 --> 01:05:36,831 then it would be some kind of a masterpiece." 1576 01:05:36,833 --> 01:05:38,400 When Bobby was making it, 1577 01:05:38,402 --> 01:05:41,136 he didn't think that guys dressed up as nuns were funny. 1578 01:05:41,138 --> 01:05:44,739 It was a very serious movie. 1579 01:05:44,741 --> 01:05:46,875 He was always trying to build the franchise, 1580 01:05:46,877 --> 01:05:48,877 and he wanted to do the series of films 1581 01:05:48,879 --> 01:05:50,211 using the same characters. 1582 01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:52,113 That's why he made dynamite Johnson. 1583 01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:53,515 That's the bionic boy part 2. 1584 01:05:53,517 --> 01:05:56,051 Still very similar to Cleopatra wong. 1585 01:05:56,053 --> 01:05:59,254 They have this group of Nazi obsessed people 1586 01:05:59,256 --> 01:06:01,957 that took over a whole mining camp. 1587 01:06:01,959 --> 01:06:03,391 I was doctor hiss... 1588 01:06:03,393 --> 01:06:06,628 By this time Tuesday, Hong Kong will be no more. 1589 01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:08,463 This scientist who had come up with this plan 1590 01:06:08,465 --> 01:06:11,633 to have a laser that was going to blow up anything we wanted. 1591 01:06:14,571 --> 01:06:18,440 The mine was guarded at night by a metal dragon. 1592 01:06:28,518 --> 01:06:30,518 Well I don't know if it was made out of cardboard, 1593 01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,821 but it was certainly made out of something flimsy 1594 01:06:32,823 --> 01:06:34,289 that was about all we could afford. 1595 01:06:34,291 --> 01:06:36,057 But, you know, Bobby had run out of money by that point. 1596 01:06:36,059 --> 01:06:38,927 That dragon has got twin cannons for eyes, 1597 01:06:38,929 --> 01:06:41,596 it has got the machine gun at its tail, 1598 01:06:41,598 --> 01:06:42,864 and when the mouth opened, 1599 01:06:42,866 --> 01:06:44,299 it breathes fire. 1600 01:06:44,301 --> 01:06:46,768 The person who was inside working the flame thrower, 1601 01:06:46,770 --> 01:06:48,503 the thing backfired and he got burnt, 1602 01:06:48,505 --> 01:06:51,039 and everyone was running out of the dragon. 1603 01:06:51,041 --> 01:06:52,507 It was hilarious. 1604 01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:54,609 He would kind of make whatever he thought 1605 01:06:54,611 --> 01:06:56,678 he could get someone to put up the money for. 1606 01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,880 All Bobby needed was a film title, 1607 01:06:58,882 --> 01:07:01,216 a good-sounding film title. 1608 01:07:01,218 --> 01:07:02,517 Wrote something down. 1609 01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:05,920 He said, "this will be my next film." 1610 01:07:05,922 --> 01:07:08,156 And I looked at it, and it said, 1611 01:07:08,158 --> 01:07:12,694 the one armed executioner 1612 01:07:12,696 --> 01:07:14,362 I said, "okay." 1613 01:07:14,364 --> 01:07:15,397 I said, "what's it about?" 1614 01:07:15,399 --> 01:07:16,498 He said, "doesn't matter. 1615 01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:17,532 "It's the title. 1616 01:07:17,534 --> 01:07:18,867 That's what gets 'em in." 1617 01:07:18,869 --> 01:07:22,303 Haunted by the memory of a love that refuses to die, 1618 01:07:22,305 --> 01:07:25,840 he ruthlessly seeks revenge. 1619 01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:58,706 I'm going to get every last one of them. 1620 01:07:58,708 --> 01:08:01,943 So help me God. 1621 01:08:08,718 --> 01:08:10,985 Bobby Suarez was kind of dragged out of retirement 1622 01:08:10,987 --> 01:08:12,921 by suddenly realizing or hearing 1623 01:08:12,923 --> 01:08:16,724 that Quentin Tarantino was a big fan of some of his movies. 1624 01:08:16,726 --> 01:08:18,560 He started to dust off some old scripts 1625 01:08:18,562 --> 01:08:20,195 and send 'em round to all and sundry, 1626 01:08:20,197 --> 01:08:22,030 and they were pretty much remakes 1627 01:08:22,032 --> 01:08:25,166 of Cleopatra wong and bionic boy. 1628 01:08:25,168 --> 01:08:26,768 Bobby was like p.T. Barnum. 1629 01:08:26,770 --> 01:08:28,136 Everything was larger than life 1630 01:08:28,138 --> 01:08:29,671 as far as his films were concerned, 1631 01:08:29,673 --> 01:08:31,406 and, I mean, they were what they were. 1632 01:08:31,408 --> 01:08:33,441 They were okay for what they were, 1633 01:08:33,443 --> 01:08:35,443 but I mean, they weren't exactly blockbusters, 1634 01:08:35,445 --> 01:08:38,613 even though in his mind, they might have been. 1635 01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:40,782 I don't think he realized that time had moved on, 1636 01:08:40,784 --> 01:08:42,917 and these movies were being looked at 1637 01:08:42,919 --> 01:08:45,320 with a kind of nostalgic glow. 1638 01:08:45,322 --> 01:08:46,955 God bless him for his vision, you know. 1639 01:08:46,957 --> 01:08:49,324 He wanted to do something better than what was being done, 1640 01:08:49,326 --> 01:08:52,494 and he gave it a shot and to a great extent, he did. 1641 01:09:00,036 --> 01:09:02,103 Here come the losers, 1642 01:09:02,105 --> 01:09:03,638 killers by instinct, 1643 01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,875 mercenaries by profession. 1644 01:09:06,877 --> 01:09:10,712 The losers was about five hells angels in Cambodia, 1645 01:09:10,714 --> 01:09:12,280 rescuing a CIA agent, 1646 01:09:12,282 --> 01:09:14,749 taking on the whole Chinese army. 1647 01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:19,621 The plan was to blow a big hole in the fence. 1648 01:09:19,623 --> 01:09:22,090 We got there too fast, 1649 01:09:22,092 --> 01:09:23,591 and I would have been blown up. 1650 01:09:23,593 --> 01:09:25,627 It's too late to stop. 1651 01:09:25,629 --> 01:09:26,861 Oh, my God! 1652 01:09:26,863 --> 01:09:29,597 I headed the front wheel to hit this post, 1653 01:09:29,599 --> 01:09:31,466 and I hit it dead on. 1654 01:09:31,468 --> 01:09:35,370 The bike was in the air, and it landed on top of me. 1655 01:09:35,372 --> 01:09:38,373 Safety issues were pretty crazy. 1656 01:09:38,375 --> 01:09:40,241 Health and safety takes money. 1657 01:09:40,243 --> 01:09:41,809 I sustained a lot of injuries. 1658 01:09:41,811 --> 01:09:44,612 They make me hang from a helicopter 100 feet up 1659 01:09:44,614 --> 01:09:46,347 without any safety nets. 1660 01:09:46,349 --> 01:09:49,617 I almost fell during the second take. 1661 01:09:49,619 --> 01:09:51,186 Bobby said, "do you mind rolling out 1662 01:09:51,188 --> 01:09:52,587 of the car at 35 Miles an hour?" 1663 01:09:52,589 --> 01:09:55,623 I said "yeah. Yeah, I mind doing that." 1664 01:09:55,625 --> 01:09:57,759 The fights, it was no holds barred. 1665 01:09:57,761 --> 01:09:59,294 Bobby calls me over. 1666 01:09:59,296 --> 01:10:02,130 He says, "Chris, doesn't look you're hitting them." 1667 01:10:02,132 --> 01:10:03,765 I said, "you mean really hitting them?" 1668 01:10:03,767 --> 01:10:05,700 He said "yes." 1669 01:10:05,702 --> 01:10:08,736 I said, "well, I'm not." 1670 01:10:08,738 --> 01:10:10,471 "That's what they're paid for. 1671 01:10:10,473 --> 01:10:12,607 "Hit them! 1672 01:10:12,609 --> 01:10:16,010 Hit them!" 1673 01:10:16,012 --> 01:10:19,013 One of the hoodlums really punched me here. 1674 01:10:19,015 --> 01:10:20,815 My appendix burst out. 1675 01:10:20,817 --> 01:10:24,185 Some guys there are nuts. 1676 01:10:24,187 --> 01:10:25,420 They drive off cliffs, 1677 01:10:25,422 --> 01:10:27,155 they'd jump off the cliff themselves. 1678 01:10:27,157 --> 01:10:29,224 They would just cross themselves and jump. 1679 01:10:29,226 --> 01:10:31,559 The people they would get to do the stunts, 1680 01:10:31,561 --> 01:10:33,962 they would regard as breakables. 1681 01:10:33,964 --> 01:10:34,996 I said, "I tell you what. 1682 01:10:34,998 --> 01:10:36,731 Bring me about 20 cardboard boxes 1683 01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:38,600 and two twin bed mattresses. 1684 01:10:38,602 --> 01:10:40,435 They did, and I set up a little fall pad. 1685 01:10:40,437 --> 01:10:42,971 It was like, "oh, my God! 1686 01:10:42,973 --> 01:10:45,006 "We can drop an actor out of a three-story window 1687 01:10:45,008 --> 01:10:46,174 "and not kill him! 1688 01:10:46,176 --> 01:10:47,475 This is great!" 1689 01:10:47,477 --> 01:10:49,544 Here we have fire suits that protect them, 1690 01:10:49,546 --> 01:10:52,513 and there, they just put some fuel on a guy and lit him up, 1691 01:10:52,515 --> 01:10:54,482 and when he got hot, he jumped in the water. 1692 01:10:54,484 --> 01:10:56,584 If somebody got injured to the point 1693 01:10:56,586 --> 01:10:58,286 where they just couldn't work anymore, 1694 01:10:58,288 --> 01:11:00,989 they'd just stuff a five peso note in his pocket 1695 01:11:00,991 --> 01:11:02,590 and send him home. 1696 01:11:02,592 --> 01:11:04,826 There were a couple of times in the films with Bobby 1697 01:11:04,828 --> 01:11:06,661 where I'd throw a guy through a window. 1698 01:11:06,663 --> 01:11:08,596 It was a glass window. 1699 01:11:08,598 --> 01:11:09,998 They didn't know what candy glass was. 1700 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,833 So when an American goes through a window, they go, 1701 01:11:11,835 --> 01:11:13,601 "oh, well, we can do that." 1702 01:11:13,603 --> 01:11:14,802 There was this tower. 1703 01:11:14,804 --> 01:11:16,704 It was supposed to be hit by a truck. 1704 01:11:16,706 --> 01:11:18,606 The guard was supposed to jump first, 1705 01:11:18,608 --> 01:11:21,342 but he panicked; He hung on. 1706 01:11:21,344 --> 01:11:22,543 He was killed. 1707 01:11:22,545 --> 01:11:24,479 In a country where the rich rule 1708 01:11:24,481 --> 01:11:26,581 and the poor are shit, 1709 01:11:26,583 --> 01:11:29,851 you can get away with that kind of thing. 1710 01:11:29,853 --> 01:11:32,954 They would take risks because this is the big American movie. 1711 01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:34,555 You don't want to look back and say, 1712 01:11:34,557 --> 01:11:37,058 "well, that was exploiting..." 1713 01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:39,961 But they were paid their salary. 1714 01:11:39,963 --> 01:11:41,362 We employed many, many filipinos. 1715 01:11:41,364 --> 01:11:42,497 Hundreds and hundreds. 1716 01:11:42,499 --> 01:11:44,065 You could hire thousands of them 1717 01:11:44,067 --> 01:11:45,800 if you needed thousands of them, 1718 01:11:45,802 --> 01:11:49,003 and all they had to really do was put on black pajamas 1719 01:11:49,005 --> 01:11:52,607 and charge up the hill with their ak-47 bad guy guns, 1720 01:11:52,609 --> 01:11:54,509 and if they were close to an explosion, 1721 01:11:54,511 --> 01:11:56,511 they were supposed to flop over and play dead, 1722 01:11:56,513 --> 01:11:58,413 so anybody can do that. 1723 01:11:58,415 --> 01:12:00,581 I mean, it didn't take a rocket scientist. 1724 01:12:00,583 --> 01:12:01,816 Apocalypse now,of course, 1725 01:12:01,818 --> 01:12:03,251 was without a doubt, 1726 01:12:03,253 --> 01:12:05,853 the biggest production that ever came into the Philippines. 1727 01:12:05,855 --> 01:12:08,289 My film is not about Vietnam. 1728 01:12:08,291 --> 01:12:09,624 It is Vietnam. 1729 01:12:09,626 --> 01:12:12,527 It's what it was really like. 1730 01:12:12,529 --> 01:12:19,300 Coppola was able to use helicopters, tanks, whatever. 1731 01:12:19,302 --> 01:12:21,536 Marcos gave us just a blanket okay 1732 01:12:21,538 --> 01:12:24,839 and then it filtered down to military men. 1733 01:12:24,841 --> 01:12:26,341 Marcos didn't make any promises. 1734 01:12:26,343 --> 01:12:28,476 You know, he complained that he couldn't get ahold 1735 01:12:28,478 --> 01:12:32,747 of any helicopters because coppola was using all of them. 1736 01:12:32,749 --> 01:12:34,215 The philippine commander would say, 1737 01:12:34,217 --> 01:12:37,085 "well, the helicopters are sick today, 1738 01:12:37,087 --> 01:12:38,953 but if we had a certain amount of money, 1739 01:12:38,955 --> 01:12:41,322 we could make them well. 1740 01:12:41,324 --> 01:12:44,325 There was always these islamic rebels in the South. 1741 01:12:44,327 --> 01:12:47,695 The military would use it all for the time for an excuse. 1742 01:12:47,697 --> 01:12:51,165 The real war took precedent over the fake war. 1743 01:12:51,167 --> 01:12:53,201 The philippine government... the fucking helicopters, 1744 01:12:53,203 --> 01:12:55,069 they take away whatever they feel like 1745 01:12:55,071 --> 01:12:56,738 and they've done it three times already. 1746 01:12:56,740 --> 01:12:58,439 It was a crazy shoot. 1747 01:12:58,441 --> 01:13:00,375 That's not news. 1748 01:13:00,377 --> 01:13:03,311 Every time things were smooth and were running right, 1749 01:13:03,313 --> 01:13:07,582 all of a sudden, something disastrous would happen. 1750 01:13:07,584 --> 01:13:09,117 Marty sheen's heart attack, 1751 01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:10,551 marlon Brando arriving 1752 01:13:10,553 --> 01:13:12,687 100 pounds more than we expected. 1753 01:13:12,689 --> 01:13:14,088 The typhoon. 1754 01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:16,758 The roofs of major houses were corrugated metal, 1755 01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,259 and those sheets would fly off, 1756 01:13:18,261 --> 01:13:21,829 and it was like a guillotine that could decapitate you. 1757 01:13:21,831 --> 01:13:24,999 When it cleared, it was just this kind of war zone. 1758 01:13:25,001 --> 01:13:27,735 As they say, shit happens. 1759 01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:30,138 I think Francis was absolutely brilliant on that movie. 1760 01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:32,974 It's amazing what he got under those circumstances. 1761 01:13:32,976 --> 01:13:34,675 He expected to get everything he needed, 1762 01:13:34,677 --> 01:13:37,979 and sometimes... very often... he expected too much. 1763 01:13:37,981 --> 01:13:42,617 It was a little bit insane towards the end. 1764 01:13:47,056 --> 01:13:48,656 There's the scene where they come in, 1765 01:13:48,658 --> 01:13:50,658 and there's all these bodies are hanging from the trees, 1766 01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:52,427 and they were using real bodies. 1767 01:13:52,429 --> 01:13:54,362 Somebody said they were in in the refrigerator 1768 01:13:54,364 --> 01:13:56,964 in the art department next to the beer. 1769 01:13:56,966 --> 01:13:59,467 My lips are sealed. 1770 01:13:59,469 --> 01:14:01,869 My buddy told me, "come on, check this shit out." 1771 01:14:01,871 --> 01:14:03,171 Whoa. 1772 01:14:03,173 --> 01:14:07,008 But I never... I never saw that. 1773 01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:09,811 You're in the asshole of the world, captain! 1774 01:14:09,813 --> 01:14:11,546 You're just thinking, "can we get through this? 1775 01:14:11,548 --> 01:14:13,347 "Can we get through this day? Can we get through this week? 1776 01:14:13,349 --> 01:14:15,316 When will we ever get out of here?" 1777 01:14:15,318 --> 01:14:17,285 There was no calendar, so you never felt 1778 01:14:17,287 --> 01:14:20,421 you were progressing or achieving. 1779 01:14:20,423 --> 01:14:23,291 We would refer to it as apocalypse never. 1780 01:14:23,293 --> 01:14:26,727 The good thing, a wonderful, great movie came out of it. 1781 01:14:26,729 --> 01:14:28,129 It defied fate. 1782 01:14:28,131 --> 01:14:29,597 It should have failed, right? 1783 01:14:29,599 --> 01:14:32,433 To relive it, I can't put it on here and watch it. 1784 01:14:32,435 --> 01:14:34,535 You couldn't pay me. 1785 01:14:34,537 --> 01:14:39,106 It was Francis Ford coppola's big fantasy, is what it was. 1786 01:14:39,108 --> 01:14:40,374 You had playgirl bunnies 1787 01:14:40,376 --> 01:14:42,276 and people falling out of helicopters 1788 01:14:42,278 --> 01:14:45,413 and guys smoking dope and taking drugs. 1789 01:14:45,415 --> 01:14:46,581 It was a joke, 1790 01:14:46,583 --> 01:14:48,382 and I don't know one Vietnam veteran 1791 01:14:48,384 --> 01:14:51,652 that really could watch that movie and enjoy it. 1792 01:14:51,654 --> 01:14:53,387 It just made us look like simpletons, 1793 01:14:53,389 --> 01:14:55,923 made us look like a bunch of total idiots. 1794 01:14:55,925 --> 01:14:59,193 That was nothing like Vietnam. 1795 01:15:00,663 --> 01:15:02,497 They were opulent. They overspent. 1796 01:15:02,499 --> 01:15:03,865 They spoiled people for a while 1797 01:15:03,867 --> 01:15:05,233 and then they went away 1798 01:15:05,235 --> 01:15:07,935 and everything eventually got back to normal again. 1799 01:15:07,937 --> 01:15:11,072 Marcos and imelda saw that it might create 1800 01:15:11,074 --> 01:15:14,175 a feeling around the world of serenity and security 1801 01:15:14,177 --> 01:15:17,578 and kind of make it a little more enticing for tourism. 1802 01:15:17,580 --> 01:15:21,015 Imelda marcos was in love with actors and movies 1803 01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:23,684 and really wanted to promote that side of her country. 1804 01:15:23,686 --> 01:15:26,787 I said to him, "what is my role as first lady?" 1805 01:15:26,789 --> 01:15:30,691 And he said, "as president, I'll be the father of the country. 1806 01:15:30,693 --> 01:15:32,793 "I'll establish a strong house. 1807 01:15:32,795 --> 01:15:34,662 And you make it a home." 1808 01:15:34,664 --> 01:15:36,664 So I said, "I'll build the cultural center 1809 01:15:36,666 --> 01:15:41,102 of the Philippines to be the sanctuary of the Filipino soul 1810 01:15:41,104 --> 01:15:43,804 and the monument to the Filipino spirit. 1811 01:15:43,806 --> 01:15:47,542 She did a great deal to expand the potential of Filipino films. 1812 01:15:47,544 --> 01:15:48,643 She was the one who started 1813 01:15:48,645 --> 01:15:51,078 the manila international film festival. 1814 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,548 The dream was supposed to have the current of the orient, 1815 01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:55,816 you know, the current of Asia here. 1816 01:15:55,818 --> 01:15:58,452 And so they built the modern-day Parthenon. 1817 01:15:58,454 --> 01:16:00,454 In a rush to finish building, 1818 01:16:00,456 --> 01:16:02,790 a whole floor collapsed on workers. 1819 01:16:02,792 --> 01:16:04,258 And the story is that imelda said, 1820 01:16:04,260 --> 01:16:05,993 "well, look, you know, we haven't got time 1821 01:16:05,995 --> 01:16:07,395 "to dig 'em out and restart again, 1822 01:16:07,397 --> 01:16:09,830 "so let the concrete dry and just slice the limbs off 1823 01:16:09,832 --> 01:16:11,198 and then cover over it." 1824 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,169 In that pantheon of the cinematic arts, 1825 01:16:15,171 --> 01:16:17,738 it's also a burying ground. 1826 01:16:17,740 --> 01:16:19,340 Which is a big lie. 1827 01:16:19,342 --> 01:16:21,409 Cleaned up every piece of debris, 1828 01:16:21,411 --> 01:16:25,680 and we did not stop until we got each and every one of them 1829 01:16:25,682 --> 01:16:29,650 and each and every one's family was compensated. 1830 01:16:29,652 --> 01:16:31,018 When it was finished, 1831 01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:34,155 her dream of putting up the festival became a reality. 1832 01:16:34,157 --> 01:16:35,823 All the big producers were there. 1833 01:16:35,825 --> 01:16:38,359 The thing that most of them seemed to be interested in 1834 01:16:38,361 --> 01:16:40,528 was this character called weng-weng. 1835 01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:43,564 Brace yourselves for the acclaimed international star 1836 01:16:43,566 --> 01:16:46,300 of the Hollywood, cannes, and manila film festivals, 1837 01:16:46,302 --> 01:16:47,635 weng-weng. 1838 01:16:47,637 --> 01:16:48,703 Who the hell are you? 1839 01:16:48,705 --> 01:16:50,237 Check it out. 1840 01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:52,940 He's a midget, but he's proportioned. 1841 01:16:52,942 --> 01:16:56,410 And he turned out to be this 31/2-foot secret agent guy. 1842 01:17:01,985 --> 01:17:04,552 They used him as a decoy during raids. 1843 01:17:04,554 --> 01:17:07,121 He could infiltrate a small opening, 1844 01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:10,157 they'd shove him in, open the doors, you know. 1845 01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,526 He made a whole series of films, as we discover now. 1846 01:17:12,528 --> 01:17:14,261 This is agent 00, 1847 01:17:14,263 --> 01:17:17,098 and he will stop at nothing to get his man 1848 01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:21,369 in for y'ur height only. 1849 01:17:21,371 --> 01:17:23,804 Lo and behold, to everyone's surprise, 1850 01:17:23,806 --> 01:17:26,507 this film became the darling of the market. 1851 01:17:26,509 --> 01:17:28,142 You're such a little guy, though. 1852 01:17:28,144 --> 01:17:29,243 Very petite, like a potato. 1853 01:17:29,245 --> 01:17:30,745 Yeah, let's go. 1854 01:17:30,747 --> 01:17:32,413 I can see why it may have been considered 1855 01:17:32,415 --> 01:17:34,882 a bit embarrassing, really. 1856 01:17:34,884 --> 01:17:37,785 All of the things that you get in James Bond movies, 1857 01:17:37,787 --> 01:17:39,987 you know, the karate scenes, the flying jet packs, 1858 01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:42,690 the daring escapes, and getting the girl, 1859 01:17:42,692 --> 01:17:44,191 they're all in the weng-weng movies. 1860 01:17:48,598 --> 01:17:51,632 He could parachute using an umbrella. 1861 01:17:56,973 --> 01:18:00,007 One of the people behind the promotion of weng-weng 1862 01:18:00,009 --> 01:18:01,375 was dick Randall, 1863 01:18:01,377 --> 01:18:04,111 and one of his specialties was dubbing of movies. 1864 01:18:04,113 --> 01:18:06,914 But he had a very peculiar sense of humor did dick, 1865 01:18:06,916 --> 01:18:08,482 so when he got the chance to dub 1866 01:18:08,484 --> 01:18:10,418 this weng-weng movie into English, 1867 01:18:10,420 --> 01:18:11,852 he really went to town. 1868 01:18:11,854 --> 01:18:15,589 You know, sex is like Tequila. 1869 01:18:15,591 --> 01:18:17,792 Take one sip, and you're a goner. 1870 01:18:17,794 --> 01:18:19,060 Shall we get it on? 1871 01:18:19,062 --> 01:18:20,594 Yes, darling. Bare your bod. 1872 01:18:20,596 --> 01:18:22,797 My husband just adored weng-weng. 1873 01:18:22,799 --> 01:18:25,866 And he'd sit on his lap, and dick'd get all excited. 1874 01:18:25,868 --> 01:18:28,803 "Oh, oh, weng-weng's wonderful. 1875 01:18:28,805 --> 01:18:30,271 We have to... 1876 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,080 You know, you're making me fall for you. 1877 01:18:39,082 --> 01:18:41,315 He had his own style. 1878 01:18:41,317 --> 01:18:43,684 He could be funny. 1879 01:18:43,686 --> 01:18:45,586 If you find that sort of thing funny, you know, 1880 01:18:45,588 --> 01:18:47,722 you will be able to watch that film with pleasure 1881 01:18:47,724 --> 01:18:48,889 for the rest of your life. 1882 01:18:48,891 --> 01:18:50,057 If you don't get it, 1883 01:18:50,059 --> 01:18:53,060 you're gonna just not get it at all. 1884 01:18:53,062 --> 01:18:54,929 Oh, my little head. 1885 01:18:54,931 --> 01:18:56,097 I didn't understand it. 1886 01:18:56,099 --> 01:19:00,534 I'd look at it and say, "oh, my God." 1887 01:19:00,536 --> 01:19:02,503 He was really a parody, 1888 01:19:02,505 --> 01:19:05,005 and we are all just laughing at it, 1889 01:19:05,007 --> 01:19:06,807 not laughing for ourselves, 1890 01:19:06,809 --> 01:19:08,542 but laughing for America. 1891 01:19:08,544 --> 01:19:11,078 But I think it's a revenge of third world filmmakers 1892 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,647 to be able to take these kinds of popular genres 1893 01:19:13,649 --> 01:19:15,716 from Hollywood and slightly subvert them 1894 01:19:15,718 --> 01:19:17,985 and then send them back out again and just say, 1895 01:19:17,987 --> 01:19:20,821 "well look what we've done, and a big raspberry to you." 1896 01:19:20,823 --> 01:19:22,823 "Hey, take this." 1897 01:19:22,825 --> 01:19:24,325 We shrunk the goon. 1898 01:19:24,327 --> 01:19:25,726 It makes perfect sense. 1899 01:19:25,728 --> 01:19:28,062 This is exactly what filipinos do. 1900 01:19:28,064 --> 01:19:32,399 We transform our pain into ridicule. 1901 01:19:32,401 --> 01:19:33,801 Did Hollywood use us, 1902 01:19:33,803 --> 01:19:36,403 or did we really make a breakthrough in Hollywood... 1903 01:19:36,405 --> 01:19:38,439 at the margins as it may be... 1904 01:19:38,441 --> 01:19:41,208 and use this for our own cultural agenda? 1905 01:19:41,210 --> 01:19:44,411 Why the rest of the world got it, I will never know. 1906 01:20:03,299 --> 01:20:07,501 The audience was changing a little bit in the late 1970s. 1907 01:20:07,503 --> 01:20:08,936 People started thinking, 1908 01:20:08,938 --> 01:20:10,971 "oh, I'm paying the same amount of money for this 1909 01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:13,040 as I am to see star wars, and this isn't nearly as good." 1910 01:20:13,042 --> 01:20:14,975 What Spielberg and Lucas did, 1911 01:20:14,977 --> 01:20:18,179 their big influence was to take exploitation films 1912 01:20:18,181 --> 01:20:20,147 which had always been "b" -budget 1913 01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:23,484 and now make them "a" -budget pictures. 1914 01:20:23,486 --> 01:20:25,786 The biggest of that type of film was jaws, 1915 01:20:25,788 --> 01:20:27,855 and when it came out, Vincent canby, 1916 01:20:27,857 --> 01:20:30,491 the main critic for the New York times, 1917 01:20:30,493 --> 01:20:33,994 said, "what is jaws but a big Roger corman film?" 1918 01:20:33,996 --> 01:20:35,763 What he didn't say was, 1919 01:20:35,765 --> 01:20:37,498 "it was not only bigger than mine, 1920 01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,600 it was better than mine." 1921 01:20:39,602 --> 01:20:43,337 And when I saw jaws, I thought, "I'm in trouble, 1922 01:20:43,339 --> 01:20:46,340 and my compatriots are in trouble. 1923 01:20:46,342 --> 01:20:50,244 I made piranha for Roger, and it was an unexpected hit, 1924 01:20:50,246 --> 01:20:53,147 and, of course, I was asked back to do another film. 1925 01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:56,250 I was asked to do a picture called humanoids from the deep, 1926 01:20:56,252 --> 01:20:59,186 which was another American version of piranha. 1927 01:20:59,188 --> 01:21:00,921 Humanoids from the deep. 1928 01:21:00,923 --> 01:21:03,023 Later on, he did a picture called up from the depths, 1929 01:21:03,025 --> 01:21:05,793 which was the Filipino rip off version. 1930 01:21:05,795 --> 01:21:09,830 Beneath these waves lies a horror beyond imagining, 1931 01:21:09,832 --> 01:21:12,066 hungry for human flesh, 1932 01:21:12,068 --> 01:21:15,102 and it's coming up from the depths. 1933 01:21:31,721 --> 01:21:33,520 I sent Chuck griffiths, 1934 01:21:33,522 --> 01:21:34,822 who was a good writer/director, 1935 01:21:34,824 --> 01:21:36,624 had done many films for us, 1936 01:21:36,626 --> 01:21:37,858 to the Philippines. 1937 01:21:37,860 --> 01:21:40,160 Chuck was dealing very often with dreck 1938 01:21:40,162 --> 01:21:42,830 and so he was sent off to do up from the depths, 1939 01:21:42,832 --> 01:21:45,266 and the only way he felt that he could do justice to it 1940 01:21:45,268 --> 01:21:46,233 was to make fun of it. 1941 01:21:46,235 --> 01:21:47,401 I'll kill it! 1942 01:21:47,403 --> 01:21:48,769 I'll kill it! 1943 01:21:48,771 --> 01:21:50,204 No, you fool. 1944 01:21:50,206 --> 01:21:52,573 It's out there! There are people out there! 1945 01:21:52,575 --> 01:21:55,709 And the producer, being cirio Santiago, 1946 01:21:55,711 --> 01:21:58,846 wanted to make it a scary, more serious film. 1947 01:21:58,848 --> 01:22:00,281 The sun's in my eyes. 1948 01:22:00,283 --> 01:22:03,083 So it actually becomes somewhat of a dilemma, 1949 01:22:03,085 --> 01:22:06,887 because you have kind of two films going on simultaneously, 1950 01:22:06,889 --> 01:22:10,324 and, you know, what is it, you know? 1951 01:22:10,326 --> 01:22:12,259 Roger didn't mind you making fun of the movie, 1952 01:22:12,261 --> 01:22:15,496 but he really didn't like it if the movie wasn't as advertised. 1953 01:22:15,498 --> 01:22:17,431 A living tidal wave of terror is rising, 1954 01:22:17,433 --> 01:22:19,767 clawing, 1955 01:22:19,769 --> 01:22:22,770 eating its way up from the depths. 1956 01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:25,839 The creature they built was a little bit crude. 1957 01:22:28,177 --> 01:22:32,446 It wasn't as good as it should have been. 1958 01:22:32,448 --> 01:22:34,982 Chris walas made an underwater monster 1959 01:22:34,984 --> 01:22:36,884 that was supposed to be propelled by a diver 1960 01:22:36,886 --> 01:22:38,285 who was holding it in front of him. 1961 01:22:38,287 --> 01:22:40,087 But the front half was so heavy 1962 01:22:40,089 --> 01:22:42,289 that when you would start to shoot it, 1963 01:22:42,291 --> 01:22:43,991 it would just dip down like this. 1964 01:22:53,469 --> 01:22:58,205 You got it! 1965 01:22:58,207 --> 01:22:59,707 Jimmy! 1966 01:22:59,709 --> 01:23:03,410 Anything that mimicked a large-budget film like jaws, 1967 01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:05,479 if Roger's version were to come out, 1968 01:23:05,481 --> 01:23:07,748 it would be panned automatically. 1969 01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:09,249 The critics were a big problem 1970 01:23:09,251 --> 01:23:12,052 and I think critics change audiences. 1971 01:23:12,054 --> 01:23:14,788 I felt maybe we had made too many films 1972 01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:17,324 in too short a period of time in the Philippines, 1973 01:23:17,326 --> 01:23:20,394 so we concentrated on coming back home 1974 01:23:20,396 --> 01:23:22,396 and shooting in America. 1975 01:23:22,398 --> 01:23:25,099 Fewer and fewer marketplaces were available to him. 1976 01:23:25,101 --> 01:23:27,434 The drive-ins were starting to close. 1977 01:23:27,436 --> 01:23:29,503 The grindhouses are starting to disappear. 1978 01:23:29,505 --> 01:23:32,072 The big-budget films were starting to dominate, 1979 01:23:32,074 --> 01:23:34,908 so we had to adjust to that. 1980 01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:38,178 And Roger still continued making pictures into the '80s, 1981 01:23:38,180 --> 01:23:42,783 but the places to play them became limited, 1982 01:23:42,785 --> 01:23:46,220 and they started to go directly to vhs. 1983 01:23:46,222 --> 01:23:48,188 But that's life. 1984 01:23:48,190 --> 01:23:49,890 I think we lost that 1985 01:23:49,892 --> 01:23:53,527 because it's nice to have your films shown in a theater, 1986 01:23:53,529 --> 01:23:55,129 enjoyed by people. 1987 01:23:55,131 --> 01:23:57,398 Sometimes it would be difficult to promote 1988 01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,733 the Philippines as a safe filmmaking site 1989 01:23:59,735 --> 01:24:01,235 because of the security problems. 1990 01:24:01,237 --> 01:24:03,670 In the South, you have the Muslim militants, 1991 01:24:03,672 --> 01:24:05,639 who are in constant uprising, 1992 01:24:05,641 --> 01:24:07,674 and they're always shooting people and kidnapping people 1993 01:24:07,676 --> 01:24:09,176 and blowing things up. 1994 01:24:09,178 --> 01:24:11,612 Banditry was not a problem when I was shooting there, 1995 01:24:11,614 --> 01:24:14,048 but a little later on when things deteriorated, 1996 01:24:14,050 --> 01:24:15,582 it was dangerous to go out on the road. 1997 01:24:15,584 --> 01:24:17,451 People in the condo area there, 1998 01:24:17,453 --> 01:24:19,253 they could kill for a bottle of beer. 1999 01:24:19,255 --> 01:24:22,322 I put my kids in a little montessori school, 2000 01:24:22,324 --> 01:24:24,191 and there were guys with sub-machine guns 2001 01:24:24,193 --> 01:24:26,794 guarding every entrance to prevent kidnapping. 2002 01:24:26,796 --> 01:24:30,064 The political climate, I think, just went a little crazy. 2003 01:24:30,066 --> 01:24:31,799 Filmmakers just finally got to the point 2004 01:24:31,801 --> 01:24:33,734 where they were afraid to go over, 2005 01:24:33,736 --> 01:24:36,270 and if even they weren't afraid to go over 2006 01:24:36,272 --> 01:24:38,272 and shoot their movie there, 2007 01:24:38,274 --> 01:24:40,207 the insurance companies wouldn't bond us. 2008 01:24:40,209 --> 01:24:43,710 That was basically the start of the end of filmmaking 2009 01:24:43,712 --> 01:24:45,345 in the philippine islands. 2010 01:24:45,347 --> 01:24:47,714 That is a time in filmmaking 2011 01:24:47,716 --> 01:24:50,484 that will probably never happen again, ever. 2012 01:24:50,486 --> 01:24:52,753 And I'm not saying that time was better than this time, 2013 01:24:52,755 --> 01:24:55,689 although it may have been. 2014 01:25:28,090 --> 01:25:30,157 I look back at it now, 2015 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:33,694 and really do think of it sort of as the good old days, 2016 01:25:33,696 --> 01:25:34,895 'cause we were having fun. 2017 01:25:34,897 --> 01:25:36,663 It felt raw over there. 2018 01:25:36,665 --> 01:25:39,433 That's what I liked a lot about it. 2019 01:25:39,435 --> 01:25:42,302 It wasn't anything that was polished, 2020 01:25:42,304 --> 01:25:46,707 made to appear to be anything more than what it was. 2021 01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:48,108 It was an amazing time. 2022 01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:51,011 Exciting, fun, creative. 2023 01:25:51,013 --> 01:25:53,013 We did have an audience for these movies, 2024 01:25:53,015 --> 01:25:56,049 which helped the studios go, "aha! 2025 01:25:56,051 --> 01:25:59,286 I think I'll have another female action lead," 2026 01:25:59,288 --> 01:26:01,855 which is good. Very good. 2027 01:26:01,857 --> 01:26:05,959 They're silly and in a way primitive, 2028 01:26:05,961 --> 01:26:10,364 but also very engaging and visceral. 2029 01:26:10,366 --> 01:26:13,567 I think the salaciousness of them and the sexiness 2030 01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:16,136 is so trivial by today's standards 2031 01:26:16,138 --> 01:26:17,738 that you can really look at these films 2032 01:26:17,740 --> 01:26:20,374 and you can say, "gee, these are really fun." 2033 01:26:20,376 --> 01:26:22,442 They all did well, and they excited us, 2034 01:26:22,444 --> 01:26:25,512 and they were the ultimate guilty pleasures. 2035 01:26:25,514 --> 01:26:27,748 You know, you can look back on these things and think, 2036 01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:30,417 "oh, it was sleazy," or, "it was this or it was that," 2037 01:26:30,419 --> 01:26:31,485 but it really wasn't. 2038 01:26:31,487 --> 01:26:33,453 It was really revolutionary. 2039 01:26:33,455 --> 01:26:36,623 To have one of those great "b" movies in the Philippines 2040 01:26:36,625 --> 01:26:38,659 under your belt, that's not so bad. 2041 01:26:38,661 --> 01:26:40,861 For me, it's always an exciting time 2042 01:26:40,863 --> 01:26:42,796 to be making films. 2043 01:26:42,798 --> 01:26:45,199 The first time savage!Was shown in Hollywood boulevard, 2044 01:26:45,201 --> 01:26:47,634 I was there for one hour looking at the marquee. 2045 01:26:47,636 --> 01:26:50,971 The stories that take place on the film set, 2046 01:26:50,973 --> 01:26:54,241 ten times better than any of the movies, any of the movies. 2047 01:26:54,243 --> 01:26:56,376 I've worked on too many films where people are like, 2048 01:26:56,378 --> 01:26:58,679 "we're losing the light! Jesus Christ! 2049 01:26:58,681 --> 01:27:00,847 "Oh, shoot into the... just shoot this. 2050 01:27:00,849 --> 01:27:02,683 Okay, and run over there, blow that up"! 2051 01:27:02,685 --> 01:27:03,850 Action sequence!" 2052 01:27:03,852 --> 01:27:05,319 Okay, shit! 2053 01:27:05,321 --> 01:27:07,654 And this isn't coherent, we'll put it in anyway. 2054 01:27:07,656 --> 01:27:09,122 And later people are going, 2055 01:27:09,124 --> 01:27:11,124 "the brilliant direction of somebody somebody, 2056 01:27:11,126 --> 01:27:13,360 you know..." 2057 01:27:13,362 --> 01:27:16,630 I've worked on too many movies to buy into this stuff. 2058 01:27:16,632 --> 01:27:17,731 I don't know. 2059 01:27:17,733 --> 01:27:19,266 Where do these statements come from? 2060 01:27:19,268 --> 01:27:22,402 This is one of the weirdest interviews I've ever had. 2061 01:27:22,404 --> 01:27:25,305 As you leave the theatre, folks, please be careful. 2062 01:27:25,307 --> 01:27:28,875 Don't let this happen to your car. 2063 01:27:28,877 --> 01:27:31,645 If you should accidentally pull a speaker loose, 2064 01:27:31,647 --> 01:27:35,048 please turn it in at our snack bar or box office. 2065 01:27:35,050 --> 01:27:36,850 Thanks.160654

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