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Horror movies
always have iconic moments
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that people remember...
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Forever and ever.
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Either fondly...
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Or with fear.
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Imagery has a great deal to do
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with what people remember
about horror films,
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and also sound.
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Sound is a major component.
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And, you know, with the images,
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you can play it contrapuntally
or with something that
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that doesn't match the image...
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or something that overpowers
the image.
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Turned to blue!
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Or maybe when there's
no sound at all,
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which sometimes
can be even scarier.
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I'm scared to close my eyes.
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I'm scared to open them.
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I'm gonna die out here.
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"The Blair Witch Project"
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changed the way
movies were made forever.
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There's no overstating
the difference
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between before and after
found footage was done.
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My God!
What the fuck is that?
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It had no budget.
It didn't really have sets.
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It didn't really have a script.
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And instead
of apologizing for that,
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it made those its strengths.
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Okay, I got you.
- This is my home.
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Okay.
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Which I am leaving the
comforts of for the weekend
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to explore the Blair Witch.
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All over the place.
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Holy shit.
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Come up here quick!
I need to use the CP!
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Movies didn't look like this
at the time,
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so I assumed if it
was found footage,
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it had to be a real movie,
because who would put out
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a movie that looked like
such a piece of shit
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and call it a real movie?
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So I thought it was real.
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And that made it
so much scarier.
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Woke up this morning,
just, like, two seconds ago,
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and there are piles of rocks
outside of our tent.
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The scary things in
that film are all up here.
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It's the viewer
filling in the blanks.
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There's no jump scares
in there, per se.
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It's just the sense of dread
and discomfort.
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Did you take it?
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No, I didn't take
the fucking map, man.
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Are you fucking serious?
- I'm fucking serious.
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I don't have the map, okay?
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That's the tree we crossed.
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That tree is down.
That's the same one.
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God!
- No.
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The cinematography
and the performance
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of that lead actress are so real
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that you constantly check,
"Is this fake?
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Is this real?
Is this fake?"
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What's that sound?
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Jesus.
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Go!
Fucking go!
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At some point in the story,
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they talk about this kid's put,
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you know, against the wall
as a punishment
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while they were killing
the other one.
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But they don't make
a meal out of it.
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They just mention it,
but it stays with you.
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What he did is he took
the kids down to the basement
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by twos, and he made one
face into the corner.
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Really?
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And then he would
kill the other one.
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He could feel the
eyes watching him.
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That's why he made him face
into the corner like that.
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It's a terrifying story,
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but you don't think there's
gonna be much, you know,
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to do with anything, that it's
just a thing the said.
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And then when it happens
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on that climax
of her running around
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trying to find her friend,
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and then you finally see him--
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I still remember
that terrifying moment
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of just seeing him
and understanding--
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on, like, what,
like, 10 frames?--
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understanding that
if he's up against the wall
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and they said that
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that's what they did while they
kill the other one, then--
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And before you
can process the idea...
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She's hit, and the camera's
on the floor, and it's over.
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Such a brilliant concept.
Great storytelling.
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You get the setup
and the payoff.
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You get the setup-- this is
what the Blair Witch does--
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and you get the payoff,
and you go, "God!
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I know what's happening.
I get it."
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It's really thanks
to an ending like that,
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like "Blair Witch," that
it just exploded the phase
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of found-footage films.
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You look at franchises
like "Paranormal Activity."
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It really came from a movie
like "Blair Witch."
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You gonna write us
a happy ending, Heather?
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Dealing with demons
is not my area.
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I'm very uncomfortable with it.
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And I'll tell you,
quite frankly,
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I sense that there's something
going on in this house.
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"Paranormal Activity"
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is about a couple who fear
their home is haunted,
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and so they set up cameras
throughout the house...
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All right,
we're operational, babe.
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Ooh.
- Sweet.
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To capture what
is happening at night.
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I think I'm gonna have
a very interesting time
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capturing whatever
paranormal phenomena
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is occurring
or is not occurring.
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I kind of think it should
point down the hallway.
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I mean, that's where
we heard its footsteps.
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And, you know, what is
causing these strange instances
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of the main character,
Katie, getting up
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and sleepwalking...
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Clearly being afflicted
by something.
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Whatever it is
that's following me,
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it doesn't feel human.
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That sounds
actually like a demon.
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There are these malevolent,
evil spirits
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that only exist to cause pain.
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What the fuck is that?
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And so the movie
is essentially you
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following these pieces
of footage with them
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and going on their journey.
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The camera's not moving so much.
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It's really about anticipation
and really about empty space
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and when something
is gonna happen.
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And it really worked, and
it really scared people.
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I feel it breathing on me.
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The power of many
"Paranormal Activity" scenes
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for me work in
the sound design as well,
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because you know,
when you hear the low rumble,
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you know something bad is
about to occur.
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I'll never forget
sitting in an audience,
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and you hear, "mmmmmm,"
and everybody goes, "ooh,"
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and they're all anticipating
something to come.
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It's pure
front-of-the-house fun.
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Micah! Micah! Micah! Micah!
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For me, the creepiest scene
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was when Katie's, like,
standing over the bed.
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That scene really just got
under my skin
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in a way that a lot
of horror films don't.
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In this really weird,
kind of sleepwalk-y way,
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she stands next to
the bed looking at him
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for what seems to be hours.
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And it's fast-forwarded through,
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so you don't have to sit
through hours.
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But you're like, "My dear God,
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something is very wrong here."
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I think, for a lot of
people, they were just like,
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"What if I woke up
and saw my loved one
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just standing by the side
of the bed, just watching?"
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It's like, "Who am I living
my life with?
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"Who am I sharing
this world with?
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"And what do I actually know
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about them
at any given moment?"
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Obviously, not
everybody's partner
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is possessed by a demon
at a certain point,
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but, like, there are moments
where you feel like that.
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I'm trying to solve
the problem here.
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I didn't bring that thing
into the house!
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Well, don't do me any--
- You did!
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And you're like, "I don't
know who you are right now.
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Like, we are arguing
not in a nice way."
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You're not in control.
It is in control.
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And if you think
you're in control,
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then you're being an idiot.
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And I think that's
the relatability
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that you kind of get
out of those situations.
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Micah!
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Katie!
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Hey, come on.
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I'll show you where
my dad keeps his gun.
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Come on.
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"The Sixth Sense" is a
really well constructed story.
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I see dead people.
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Beautifully paced,
beautifully timed,
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with a killer-- no punish
intended-- twist ending
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that validates the whole story.
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How does the story end?
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I don't know.
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The entire film
really rests on the shoulders
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of this kid I had never seen,
Haley Joel Osment, who plays
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this kid with so much heart.
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The reason that
movie is so scary
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is that you're afraid for him
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and you're afraid
for his mother.
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Her child is very troubled,
says weird things.
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They used to hang people here.
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Not getting along
with the other kids.
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No! No!
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And to me, that's
kind of the doorway
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into the real-life horror.
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You're a single mother
with a troubled child.
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As a mother, that's already
a horrifying premise.
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Cole, what's wrong?
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God, please tell me.
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And I haven't seen that
movie in such a long time,
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but the scenes
were intense enough
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to stay with you forever.
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The scene when he
goes to the bathroom,
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and it remind you of that fear
of when you were a kid,
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just going
to the bathroom very quickly,
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trying to go back to your bed.
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M. Night does this great thing
with the temperature.
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When the ghost shows up,
it gets colder.
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You can see his breath, so
you know that it's happening.
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Like, the anticipation and
the build-up of that film
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just a master class in horror.
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Mama.
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No.
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Dinner is not ready.
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What are you gonna do?
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You can't hurt me anymore!
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My favorite moment
is when the girl throwing up
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shows up inside his tent.
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It's all about misdirection
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like good jump scares
usually are.
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How do you convince
the whole audience
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the terror is where it's not?
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Usually the audience
knows better,
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and they know, and it's
hard to trick them.
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But in that moment, where-- in
the scene, he looks up,
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and the little clips start
opening up and opening up,
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and you think, clearly,
that thing is outside,
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because otherwise, why
open the things up there?
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And the camera drops, and it's,
like, right in front of you.
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Which makes no sense.
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Why was it opening the clips?
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The only reason
it was doing that
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is just to justify the camera
being up there
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and misleading you
to believe the thing
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was gonna come from the outside.
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Just incredible.
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As terrifying as it is for him--
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'cause he's always scared.
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Do you want to tell me
something?
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He's been scared
through the whole movie.
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But this is the first
time he's scared,
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but he's armed
with knowledge now.
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There's something
that he can actually do
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with this information.
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She wanted to
tell you something.
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It actually means something
in the real world.
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But the real tragedy
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is finding out exactly what
happened, that her mother was
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slowly poisoning her food
the entire time
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because she just
couldn't take the strains
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of that relationship.
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And I think that type
of torment of a child
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just hits everybody
at their core
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because there is this,
like, innocent girl that's
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going through this
horrible situation.
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And you have this other
innocent child that is
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putting that story together.
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You were keeping her sick.
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It's just so
heartbreaking in a way
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that it affects you emotionally,
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and you're then emotionally
connected to that character
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rather than being
scared by the imagery.
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They scare me, too, sometimes.
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I think that's the reason
that movie actually hits
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on another level.
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"Let the Right One In"
was wonderful
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because it was so grounded.
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First, it's shot
so majestically.
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It's shot by a person that
doesn't want to scare you.
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They want you to be
very familiar with the scenes.
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And suddenly, they just blow
your head up with a hammer.
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The proximity of the
camera to the violence
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is really extraordinary
and also really restrained.
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We as the audience watch
at a distance
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in this beautiful freezing
landscape,
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one victim after another being
taken out by this
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not just sympathetic
but sort of, like,
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empathetic young vampire.
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The whole movie to me
is this love affair,
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and these two kids live in
these two different worlds
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of how they see life,
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because he's one species
and she's another,
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and they exist in the same place
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because they like each other.
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And she starts being
protective of him.
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It's one of the things
that made it unique--
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the innocence
of the kids' first love,
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but that first love is a
vampire, and is she a kid?
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There's a very
unique moment there
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where she's, like, licking
the blood from the floor.
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And she looks up,
and she's not a child,
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and she's not a girl.
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What is that?
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The scene that stayed with me
is the scene in the pool.
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That scene was perfect.
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Everybody's having a good time.
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The kids are swimming,
and he's swimming.
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And here comes the guy
that bothers him at school,
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bothers him in the neighborhood.
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Brought his older brother
with him
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and his friends,
too, for revenge.
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He pushes him
down into the water,
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and you see this kid,
he doesn't know what to do,
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and he's just trying
to hold his breath,
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trying to hold his breath.
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All you see is little bits
of bubbles coming out,
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so it's starting to move,
it's starting to move.
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And you're just waiting.
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And it makes these seconds
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last longer and longer
and longer.
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For a director,
it's all about point of view.
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The same scene can be
terrifying from here,
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it'll be hilarious and funny
from over there.
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It's all about knowing exactly
where to put the camera.
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And I think the director
definitely finds
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the only place where you
can put the camera, I guess,
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for that scene
and just makes it unique.
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And then out of nowhere, you
hear these different sounds.
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But you don't know
what they are.
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It's not music.
It's not people splashing.
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And before you know it,
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all these other things
start happening.
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You don't know
what's going on up there,
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but we understand when the
hand that is pulling his hair
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finally drops,
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and we realize it has been
chopped at the elbow.
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And now you know
he's being protected
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by this girl that loves him.
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And not the time
to mess with her guy.
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It's horrific
in the way she's doing it--
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just so animalistic.
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But at the same time,
the passion of it is so human.
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For such a scary movie,
it was suddenly, like,
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the feel-good scene of the movie
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because you were so happy
that she showed up,
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even though she slaughtered
all these kids
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and most of them
were quite innocent.
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It's a beautiful scene in a way.
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What I liked about the latest
"Invisible Man" movie
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is that he's a villain
in this story.
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He's an abusive man.
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And Elizabeth Moss
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finally gets up the courage
to leave him,
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not realizing that he's working
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on this kind of suit that will
make him invisible to people.
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So he starts stalking her,
gaslighting her,
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doing all the horrible things
that abusive people do.
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And nobody believes her.
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Right there. Right there.
There were footprints.
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I saw it.
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You saw-- you saw footprints?
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In the sheets!
I saw it right there!
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And her own sister
doesn't believe her.
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Her sister thinks
that she's losing her mind.
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He's-- he's doing this to me.
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You need some medication.
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And that's
the terror of being a victim.
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If you're a victim
of domestic violence,
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if you're a victim of abuse
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and you go to tell people
what's happened
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and no one believes you,
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they start to
question your sanity,
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that is the ultimate
hell for a victim.
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And what's beautiful
about that film
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and why it's so perfectly
written is it puts all of us
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into her driver's seat.
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This is what he does.
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He makes me feel
like I'm the crazy one.
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Listen to me!
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The restaurant scene
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with Elizabeth Moss
and her sister
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is such a great moment,
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because Leigh is already
creating tension
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because it's these two sisters
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who have just had a falling-out
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and are coming back together.
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And it's Elizabeth Moss
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making, like, one final plea
of, "I need help."
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And then you've got this waiter
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who comes into the moment.
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Hi.
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Hey.
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Hey, guys.
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My name is Taylor, and I will
be taking care of you
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this evening.
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Do you know how
this place works?
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I'm assuming you order
food, then you eat it.
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And so it's all about
creating a level of comfort
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and disarming the audience.
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Leigh does a great job
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of convincing you that
nothing bad is gonna happen.
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Maybe she won't believe her.
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Maybe that's the worst
that's gonna happen.
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Her sister won't believe her
story or something-- big deal.
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You're completely relaxed,
and that's when they get you.
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00:18:00,605 --> 00:18:03,677
Then Leigh introduces
a giant knife to that scene.
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00:18:05,437 --> 00:18:08,337
It's some kind of suit
that Adrian has built,
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and it has cameras,
and it somehow--
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00:18:11,478 --> 00:18:13,273
What?
402
00:18:15,827 --> 00:18:19,624
Then it just happens so fast,
I just was like, "Holy fuck."
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00:18:19,658 --> 00:18:21,978
Like, that scene-- I went back
to see it, like, three times
404
00:18:22,005 --> 00:18:23,973
in the theater just to
watch people's reaction
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00:18:24,007 --> 00:18:25,561
to that scene.
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00:18:25,595 --> 00:18:28,184
People just were, like,
screamed out loud,
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00:18:28,219 --> 00:18:30,497
and it was just, like, silence.
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00:18:30,531 --> 00:18:32,706
One of the all-time shockers
of films
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that I've seen
in my life, actually.
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The best villains in movies,
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you cannot help but admire
how smart the bad guy is,
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00:18:40,852 --> 00:18:42,267
and that's what it does.
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00:18:42,302 --> 00:18:45,201
And usually what that
means is how smart
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the writer
and the directors are,
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because that's what
it does to me when I watch it.
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I was like, "Smart
motherfucker, how he came up
417
00:18:50,827 --> 00:18:52,771
"with that idea and that
concept that he was gonna
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00:18:52,795 --> 00:18:54,383
"kill her and put the knife
in her hand,
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and now she's really fucked."
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My center horror is being
watched and not being known--
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being observed
without my consent.
422
00:19:13,885 --> 00:19:16,336
Watch out. He's looking
through the window.
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00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:20,029
And "Wait Until Dark"
does that to such effect.
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00:19:20,063 --> 00:19:22,687
And it has all of the things
that I love about horror--
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excellent acting, tension,
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00:19:24,620 --> 00:19:27,933
unexpected choices, jump scares,
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00:19:27,968 --> 00:19:31,661
and a plot
that is kind of a romp.
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00:19:31,696 --> 00:19:33,422
It's Audrey Hepburn who's blind.
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00:19:33,456 --> 00:19:35,527
Do I have to be the
world's champion blind lady?
430
00:19:35,562 --> 00:19:36,977
Yes.
431
00:19:37,011 --> 00:19:38,772
She's been left on her own
by her husband,
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00:19:38,806 --> 00:19:40,601
who's gone off
on this wild-goose chase.
433
00:19:40,636 --> 00:19:41,916
Mr. Hendrix
won't wait forever.
434
00:19:41,947 --> 00:19:43,259
Shall we go to work, children?
435
00:19:43,294 --> 00:19:44,340
And these three guys think
436
00:19:44,364 --> 00:19:46,055
that she has a doll
full of heroin,
437
00:19:46,089 --> 00:19:48,057
which she doesn't even know
anything about.
438
00:19:48,091 --> 00:19:49,645
So they're trying to pry it
out of her
439
00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:51,070
by doing all these charades
and things.
440
00:19:51,094 --> 00:19:53,718
What is it you want?
Tell me who you are.
441
00:19:53,752 --> 00:19:56,376
Forgive me for bursting in
on you like this.
442
00:19:56,410 --> 00:19:57,411
Has my father been here?
443
00:19:57,446 --> 00:19:58,619
Once the other shoe drops
444
00:19:58,654 --> 00:20:00,010
and she figures out
what's going on...
445
00:20:00,034 --> 00:20:01,702
He had on the exact
same shoes as his father.
446
00:20:01,726 --> 00:20:02,899
What?
447
00:20:02,934 --> 00:20:04,591
One of them
squeaked a little bit.
448
00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:06,765
Alan Arkin, who
is the nastiest of the bunch,
449
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,560
decides he's gonna
handle it by himself,
450
00:20:08,595 --> 00:20:11,805
and it leads to a really
terrifying final half hour.
451
00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:13,427
No!
452
00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:15,060
It is a different role
for Audrey Hepburn,
453
00:20:15,084 --> 00:20:18,846
where she's not the ingenue and
sort of like the ballerina,
454
00:20:18,881 --> 00:20:22,402
the very fragile lovely lady.
455
00:20:22,436 --> 00:20:24,990
But that's sort
of an iconic horror trope.
456
00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:27,061
They will take
these very fragile women
457
00:20:27,096 --> 00:20:30,064
and beat them and beat them
and beat them and beat them...
458
00:20:30,099 --> 00:20:31,376
No!
459
00:20:31,411 --> 00:20:33,723
Until they become Ripley.
460
00:20:33,758 --> 00:20:35,967
And that is
that feminist undertone
461
00:20:36,001 --> 00:20:38,556
that's always been there
in horror.
462
00:20:38,590 --> 00:20:40,523
So it's very late at night,
so she figures,
463
00:20:40,558 --> 00:20:42,456
well, she knows Alan Arkin's
coming for her,
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00:20:42,491 --> 00:20:43,985
so she winds up
smashing all the lights
465
00:20:44,009 --> 00:20:47,427
in the hall and her apartment,
making everything pitch-black.
466
00:20:47,461 --> 00:20:49,325
And her husband's
a photographer,
467
00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:50,785
so there's this big
thing of chemicals
468
00:20:50,809 --> 00:20:52,328
in the back of the apartment.
469
00:20:52,363 --> 00:20:53,605
So she winds up figuring out
470
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,065
a way to say,
"Are you looking at me?"
471
00:20:55,089 --> 00:20:56,712
Mr. Roat.
472
00:20:56,746 --> 00:20:58,852
Are you looking at me?
- Yes.
473
00:21:01,648 --> 00:21:02,890
And at the end,
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00:21:02,925 --> 00:21:04,685
Audrey Hepburn stabs Alan Arkin.
475
00:21:06,653 --> 00:21:08,389
And she only forgot one light,
and that's the refrigerator.
476
00:21:08,413 --> 00:21:09,804
So you have this one little
light kind of shining
477
00:21:09,828 --> 00:21:12,417
through the apartment, and
she's running to the right,
478
00:21:12,452 --> 00:21:13,763
and Alan Arkin just goes...
479
00:21:15,489 --> 00:21:17,457
And it is, like, still
just a great moment
480
00:21:17,491 --> 00:21:19,611
to get an audience just
to fly up and hit the ceiling.
481
00:21:20,667 --> 00:21:21,875
It's kind of goofy.
482
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:23,463
Like, the camera's
in the wrong angle,
483
00:21:23,497 --> 00:21:25,085
kind of on the side.
484
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,984
Character moving away, someone
jumping from left to right.
485
00:21:28,019 --> 00:21:29,158
It's such a weird thing.
486
00:21:29,192 --> 00:21:30,549
Like, you don't do
that these days.
487
00:21:30,573 --> 00:21:31,574
Like, you would never...
488
00:21:31,609 --> 00:21:33,093
No one in their right mind
489
00:21:33,127 --> 00:21:34,933
would decide that's a good
angle for the jump scare.
490
00:21:34,957 --> 00:21:37,062
For some reason, it's great.
491
00:21:37,097 --> 00:21:38,616
It's not just the jump.
492
00:21:38,650 --> 00:21:40,618
It's the five minutes
leading up to it.
493
00:21:40,652 --> 00:21:43,517
It's the cranking up
and up and up and up.
494
00:21:43,552 --> 00:21:45,899
I think it's a lot more
difficult than people realize.
495
00:21:45,933 --> 00:21:47,808
You can't just have constant
jump scares by themselves.
496
00:21:47,832 --> 00:21:49,592
It doesn't work.
497
00:21:49,627 --> 00:21:51,560
You think
you're watching a story
498
00:21:51,594 --> 00:21:53,734
about a blind girl
dealing with a break-in
499
00:21:53,769 --> 00:21:55,046
in her apartment.
500
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,082
What you're really watching
is a story
501
00:21:57,117 --> 00:21:59,119
about a woman with a disability
502
00:21:59,153 --> 00:22:01,846
who overcomes impossible odds
to survive.
503
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,088
And that, I think,
504
00:22:03,123 --> 00:22:05,436
is what makes horror last
through the ages--
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00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:08,680
is when you get that
combination of storytelling
506
00:22:08,715 --> 00:22:10,855
plus revelation.
507
00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:20,105
"Don't Breathe"
is about this bunch
508
00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,660
of teenagers in Detroit
509
00:22:22,694 --> 00:22:24,834
in a real bad part
of the neighborhood.
510
00:22:24,869 --> 00:22:26,698
And they try
and figure out a way
511
00:22:26,733 --> 00:22:28,907
to get out of there, to get
out of no future, in a way.
512
00:22:28,942 --> 00:22:31,703
As a side job, they rob houses.
513
00:22:31,738 --> 00:22:35,051
1837 Buena Vista Street.
514
00:22:35,086 --> 00:22:38,192
Guy who owns it-- no family,
just him in the house.
515
00:22:38,227 --> 00:22:41,955
This guy is sitting
on at least...
516
00:22:41,989 --> 00:22:44,854
300K.
517
00:22:44,889 --> 00:22:46,960
Boom!
518
00:22:46,994 --> 00:22:48,237
Is he blind?
519
00:22:48,271 --> 00:22:50,688
Lost his sight
in Iraq or something.
520
00:22:50,722 --> 00:22:52,241
We do this tonight.
521
00:22:58,937 --> 00:23:01,733
Who-- who's there?
522
00:23:01,768 --> 00:23:02,917
They think it's an easy target
523
00:23:02,941 --> 00:23:05,185
because the owner
of the house is blind.
524
00:23:05,219 --> 00:23:06,980
Stay right fucking there.
525
00:23:10,224 --> 00:23:12,064
I know what's in there, and
I ain't leaving without it.
526
00:23:12,088 --> 00:23:13,124
You got me?
527
00:23:13,158 --> 00:23:14,884
But little did they know
528
00:23:14,919 --> 00:23:17,024
how many secrets
there was gonna be in there.
529
00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:24,618
Obviously, the blind guys can
be more capable than you think.
530
00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:27,103
But then there's
just a lot more to it.
531
00:23:30,624 --> 00:23:32,799
You're in a house
with a man who cannot see you.
532
00:23:38,943 --> 00:23:41,670
But he is highly skilled
at killing you.
533
00:23:44,086 --> 00:23:48,193
I wanted this blind man
to kick their ass every time.
534
00:23:48,228 --> 00:23:50,610
But as the movie went on,
535
00:23:50,644 --> 00:23:52,612
seeing what he was capable of...
536
00:23:58,031 --> 00:24:00,689
My goodness, what is going on?
537
00:24:00,723 --> 00:24:03,588
Actually, the blind man
is a monster.
538
00:24:03,623 --> 00:24:05,694
The blind man wants--
539
00:24:05,728 --> 00:24:08,213
at first, we think it's just
to punish the girl
540
00:24:08,248 --> 00:24:11,078
that took away his daughter.
541
00:24:11,113 --> 00:24:12,873
She's the one
who killed his daughter.
542
00:24:12,908 --> 00:24:14,634
But then we understand
543
00:24:14,668 --> 00:24:16,532
that basically
he was forcing her
544
00:24:16,567 --> 00:24:18,154
to give back the life she took.
545
00:24:18,189 --> 00:24:21,157
Cindy took my
child away from me.
546
00:24:21,192 --> 00:24:23,228
I thought...
547
00:24:23,263 --> 00:24:25,576
it's only fair...
548
00:24:28,199 --> 00:24:30,857
That she give me a new one.
549
00:24:30,891 --> 00:24:33,860
She was pregnant with my baby.
550
00:24:33,894 --> 00:24:36,690
Now, the turkey baster scene
551
00:24:36,725 --> 00:24:41,212
starts when you realize he's
not gonna give up on his plan.
552
00:24:41,246 --> 00:24:43,870
So but now Rocky,
the main character,
553
00:24:43,904 --> 00:24:46,666
having been the one that
caused the death of Cindy,
554
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,013
now she's gonna have
to take her place.
555
00:24:49,047 --> 00:24:50,773
I'm not a rapist.
556
00:24:52,948 --> 00:24:55,778
I never forced myself on her.
557
00:24:55,813 --> 00:24:57,090
And then he takes out--
558
00:24:57,124 --> 00:24:59,333
You know,
without saying much about it,
559
00:24:59,368 --> 00:25:01,059
you just discover
what's happened
560
00:25:01,094 --> 00:25:04,269
as he takes the turkey baster
and sucks something into it.
561
00:25:04,304 --> 00:25:06,962
And that's when I think most
people start figuring it out.
562
00:25:08,619 --> 00:25:10,621
You can't do this to me.
563
00:25:10,655 --> 00:25:13,037
Not everybody, which I think
is great about some scenes.
564
00:25:13,071 --> 00:25:15,384
It's like, there's two guys
in the audience that gets it.
565
00:25:15,418 --> 00:25:17,189
They go, like, "Whoa, whoa,
whoa, what's happening?"
566
00:25:17,213 --> 00:25:20,113
There's nothing a man
cannot do once he accepts
567
00:25:20,147 --> 00:25:21,735
the fact that there is no God.
568
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,737
And then, like,
five more in the back.
569
00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:25,092
And then the whole
audience start,
570
00:25:25,118 --> 00:25:26,637
like, talking and screaming.
571
00:25:26,671 --> 00:25:28,649
But it's not a jump scare.
It's completely opposite.
572
00:25:28,673 --> 00:25:30,157
It's just, like, this slow wave,
573
00:25:30,192 --> 00:25:32,643
as people start
realizing what's happening.
574
00:25:32,677 --> 00:25:34,127
You'll breed well.
- No.
575
00:25:34,161 --> 00:25:36,163
Get away from me.
576
00:25:36,198 --> 00:25:37,268
No!
577
00:25:37,302 --> 00:25:39,995
Every woman's worst nightmare,
578
00:25:40,029 --> 00:25:43,757
seeing that, all the
way to the pubic hair
579
00:25:43,792 --> 00:25:46,311
floating inside
the turkey baster,
580
00:25:46,346 --> 00:25:48,417
which is quite grotesque.
581
00:25:48,451 --> 00:25:51,282
Yeah, he really got our
attention on that one.
582
00:25:51,316 --> 00:25:54,043
That shot-- bleh!
583
00:25:54,078 --> 00:25:56,011
Bleh!
I can't take it.
584
00:25:56,045 --> 00:25:58,151
It's so gross.
585
00:25:58,185 --> 00:26:00,429
That was one of those moments
586
00:26:00,463 --> 00:26:03,087
where you're like, "Man, really?
587
00:26:03,121 --> 00:26:04,744
"We went there?
588
00:26:04,778 --> 00:26:07,022
Holy crap, I hope this guy gets
his ass kicked."
589
00:26:09,783 --> 00:26:12,441
And then it gets quiet,
and you go, "This is it.
590
00:26:12,475 --> 00:26:14,201
This is how this is gonna go."
591
00:26:14,236 --> 00:26:16,928
And then, thank God,
there's a twist.
592
00:26:20,725 --> 00:26:22,831
Alex, played
by Dylan Minnette, comes back
593
00:26:22,865 --> 00:26:25,661
and save her
right before he can do it.
594
00:26:25,696 --> 00:26:27,328
And then I think
the best part of the scene--
595
00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:29,216
what got the biggest reaction,
596
00:26:29,251 --> 00:26:30,942
which is when Rocky
gets the chance
597
00:26:30,977 --> 00:26:32,875
to get revenge, grabs
the turkey baster,
598
00:26:32,910 --> 00:26:34,335
and shoves it down
the blind man's throat,
599
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,326
and he gags on his own semen.
600
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:36,914
How's that taste?
601
00:26:36,948 --> 00:26:39,226
The first time
we show it to an audience
602
00:26:39,261 --> 00:26:41,746
in a theater, all the ladies
were jumping and screaming,
603
00:26:41,781 --> 00:26:43,230
like, "Yeah!
Fuck, yeah!"
604
00:26:43,265 --> 00:26:44,473
Like, "Let's go."
605
00:26:44,507 --> 00:26:46,717
And all the men were, like...
606
00:26:46,751 --> 00:26:48,995
Like, completely
grossed out by it,
607
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:50,755
which I find hilarious still.
608
00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:03,423
I can't imagine
anything more terrifying
609
00:27:03,457 --> 00:27:07,116
than waking up in a dark,
dirty dungeon
610
00:27:07,151 --> 00:27:10,948
with just a table of tools
next to you--
611
00:27:10,982 --> 00:27:14,192
and not just surgical tools,
like, hardware tools.
612
00:27:14,227 --> 00:27:16,125
You have no idea
what's going on.
613
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,748
You don't know
how you got there.
614
00:27:17,782 --> 00:27:19,163
You're alone.
615
00:27:19,197 --> 00:27:21,130
It doesn't seem like
anyone can hear you scream.
616
00:27:21,165 --> 00:27:23,443
And then a person
617
00:27:23,477 --> 00:27:27,274
in dirty medical gear
and clothing comes in,
618
00:27:27,309 --> 00:27:29,794
and they're not
even acknowledging you,
619
00:27:29,829 --> 00:27:30,899
other than a quick glance.
620
00:27:33,798 --> 00:27:36,145
And he just starts drilling
into parts of the body,
621
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:39,010
intentionally in places
that aren't gonna kill him,
622
00:27:39,045 --> 00:27:43,532
that are just going to
torture him and really hurt.
623
00:27:43,566 --> 00:27:45,983
My God!
624
00:27:46,017 --> 00:27:48,502
The first thing
they do is to drill in his leg.
625
00:27:48,537 --> 00:27:50,228
And you think
you're not gonna see it
626
00:27:50,263 --> 00:27:52,310
because most people will have
never show it at the time.
627
00:27:52,334 --> 00:27:54,336
And then they cut to close-up
of the drill.
628
00:27:56,165 --> 00:28:00,031
And then there's this shot
of when he left the drill,
629
00:28:00,066 --> 00:28:03,172
and you see just flesh
around the drill bit.
630
00:28:03,207 --> 00:28:04,311
It wasn't just blood.
631
00:28:04,346 --> 00:28:06,037
It just left the reminders
of it.
632
00:28:06,072 --> 00:28:08,419
It was gruesome,
realistic, grounded,
633
00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:10,421
and also the whole
concept of the movie
634
00:28:10,455 --> 00:28:11,767
comes together in that scene.
635
00:28:11,802 --> 00:28:13,562
I have money.
I'll fucking pay you--
636
00:28:13,596 --> 00:28:15,357
ten times, two times,
whatever you want.
637
00:28:15,391 --> 00:28:17,048
Pay me?
- Yes.
638
00:28:17,083 --> 00:28:18,774
No one is paying me.
639
00:28:18,809 --> 00:28:21,881
In fact,
I'm the one paying them.
640
00:28:21,915 --> 00:28:24,400
You think that you're
watching a torture-porn film,
641
00:28:24,435 --> 00:28:26,126
but you're really
getting a commentary
642
00:28:26,161 --> 00:28:27,507
on the class system.
643
00:28:27,541 --> 00:28:31,028
And you don't realize
that until weeks later,
644
00:28:31,062 --> 00:28:32,961
and kind of the imagery has
faded away,
645
00:28:32,995 --> 00:28:35,308
that the message
has stayed with you,
646
00:28:35,342 --> 00:28:38,207
this idea that, "There's
nothing you can pay me.
647
00:28:38,242 --> 00:28:39,899
I'm paying to do this."
648
00:28:39,933 --> 00:28:41,221
For 50 grand,
she better be worth it,
649
00:28:41,245 --> 00:28:42,487
know what I mean?
650
00:28:42,522 --> 00:28:44,213
This idea of
money and power and youth.
651
00:28:44,248 --> 00:28:46,595
This is something
you never forget, right?
652
00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:48,355
Right?
653
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:50,495
And those of us
who want to destroy youth
654
00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:54,396
and what we would pay for that
and the dark side of tourism.
655
00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:55,545
Get your own fucking room.
656
00:28:55,569 --> 00:28:57,606
I paid for this.
657
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,437
All of that
heightened MFA thought.
658
00:29:01,472 --> 00:29:05,925
But nothing compares to the
drill going into the muscle.
659
00:29:05,959 --> 00:29:08,962
And both of those things
exist simultaneously.
660
00:29:08,997 --> 00:29:11,413
That's what horror
gives us-- is both.
661
00:29:15,555 --> 00:29:19,524
I feel like something bad
is gonna happen to me.
662
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,010
I feel like something
bad has happened.
663
00:29:22,044 --> 00:29:25,530
It hasn't reached me yet,
but it's on its way.
664
00:29:25,565 --> 00:29:28,430
"Lake Mungo" is one
of the greatest horror movies
665
00:29:28,464 --> 00:29:30,156
ever made, period.
666
00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:33,366
And whenever people ask me
for horror recommendations,
667
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,230
it's the first film I recommend.
668
00:29:35,264 --> 00:29:37,888
Police continue to hold
grave fears
669
00:29:37,922 --> 00:29:39,890
for 16-year-old Alice Palmer,
who disappeared
670
00:29:39,924 --> 00:29:41,270
while picnicking
with her family.
671
00:29:41,305 --> 00:29:45,999
It's shot like a sit-down
interview documentary
672
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,071
about a family whose
daughter drowned,
673
00:29:49,106 --> 00:29:51,073
and then the strange events
674
00:29:51,108 --> 00:29:52,937
that started to happen
in their house
675
00:29:52,972 --> 00:29:55,871
that may or may not be
a haunting.
676
00:29:55,906 --> 00:29:58,080
What was
in the April 28th photograph?
677
00:29:58,115 --> 00:29:59,979
Well...
678
00:30:00,013 --> 00:30:03,948
it would appear that Alice
is standing against the fence.
679
00:30:03,983 --> 00:30:06,951
And what's great is there's
all these different aesthetics.
680
00:30:06,986 --> 00:30:08,988
There's a very classical
documentary aesthetic,
681
00:30:09,022 --> 00:30:10,437
very formal.
682
00:30:10,472 --> 00:30:12,025
Then there's a lot
of re-creation
683
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:13,302
and nature photography,
684
00:30:13,337 --> 00:30:14,510
and that does a great job
685
00:30:14,545 --> 00:30:16,547
at contrasting
the documentary footage,
686
00:30:16,581 --> 00:30:18,376
because it has a stillness
and a weirdness
687
00:30:18,411 --> 00:30:20,240
and a Lynchian quality.
688
00:30:20,275 --> 00:30:23,036
Everything just feels off or
feels not like it should be,
689
00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:24,451
like a disruption.
690
00:30:24,486 --> 00:30:27,316
It felt a little strange
having my mother there
691
00:30:27,351 --> 00:30:29,318
for Alice.
692
00:30:29,353 --> 00:30:32,666
It just didn't feel like
the right order of things.
693
00:30:32,701 --> 00:30:35,083
I think that's what horror
is-- like, a complete disruption
694
00:30:35,117 --> 00:30:37,154
of how you think things
should go.
695
00:30:37,188 --> 00:30:40,467
And we discover
that before her death,
696
00:30:40,502 --> 00:30:42,469
their daughter had gone
on a class trip
697
00:30:42,504 --> 00:30:44,471
with her friends to Lake Mungo,
698
00:30:44,506 --> 00:30:46,232
which is out in the desert,
699
00:30:46,266 --> 00:30:48,372
and she had come back
from that disturbed.
700
00:30:48,406 --> 00:30:51,996
"I was overcome
by this intense sadness.
701
00:30:52,031 --> 00:30:55,517
"Then the sadness
changed to fear.
702
00:30:55,551 --> 00:30:58,313
And that kicked off
the last weeks of her life,
703
00:30:58,347 --> 00:31:00,487
where she was afraid
and depressed
704
00:31:00,522 --> 00:31:02,351
and forlorn and withdrawn.
705
00:31:02,386 --> 00:31:04,491
And so a lot of it's
trying to figure out
706
00:31:04,526 --> 00:31:06,597
what was going on
in her mind and emotionally
707
00:31:06,631 --> 00:31:08,185
that led up to her death?
708
00:31:08,219 --> 00:31:10,981
There are twists and turns
along the way.
709
00:31:11,015 --> 00:31:14,087
What seems like a haunting then
starts to seem like a hoax,
710
00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:15,986
but then starts to seem
like something else.
711
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:17,549
There was a second figure
in the hallway,
712
00:31:17,573 --> 00:31:20,093
and I realized it
was our neighbor.
713
00:31:20,128 --> 00:31:22,613
And then you think
you might be poking
714
00:31:22,647 --> 00:31:25,133
at a murder mystery
involving the neighbor.
715
00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:27,549
And then all of that, though,
716
00:31:27,583 --> 00:31:31,104
is a red herring for what
the story is truly about,
717
00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:33,969
which is a premonition.
718
00:31:34,004 --> 00:31:35,660
It all culminates
719
00:31:35,695 --> 00:31:38,077
in the discovery of a cell phone
720
00:31:38,111 --> 00:31:39,733
that has a video.
721
00:31:39,768 --> 00:31:43,565
They then show you
this phone footage
722
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,739
that she shot while she was
in the desert,
723
00:31:45,774 --> 00:31:48,052
where she thought she saw
someone out there
724
00:31:48,087 --> 00:31:51,228
in the emptiness
and walked toward them.
725
00:31:51,262 --> 00:31:54,748
This single shot on the phone
is, I think,
726
00:31:54,783 --> 00:31:57,372
one of the greatest scares
I've ever seen in a film.
727
00:31:57,406 --> 00:32:01,307
When I saw what
was on the phone,
728
00:32:01,341 --> 00:32:04,724
I physically jumped up off
my couch, and I said, "Nope."
729
00:32:04,758 --> 00:32:06,657
It was a physical reaction
730
00:32:06,691 --> 00:32:10,799
I had to this image that just
was slow-walked into my face.
731
00:32:10,833 --> 00:32:14,734
What she saw out there
in the desert...
732
00:32:14,768 --> 00:32:16,598
was herself.
733
00:32:16,632 --> 00:32:18,714
I recognized the face as
soon as I saw it on the phone.
734
00:32:18,738 --> 00:32:20,326
It was the same face
735
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,501
of the body that
I had identified on the dead.
736
00:32:23,536 --> 00:32:28,644
And she just had this passing
encounter with her own fate.
737
00:32:30,439 --> 00:32:32,200
It's really scary in the moment
738
00:32:32,234 --> 00:32:34,271
but also feels like
a manifestation of the movie
739
00:32:34,305 --> 00:32:36,652
being about, really,
death coming and, you know,
740
00:32:36,687 --> 00:32:38,758
the looming specter
of death always
741
00:32:38,792 --> 00:32:40,587
coming for you or at
you or behind you
742
00:32:40,622 --> 00:32:42,279
and how it will come for you
743
00:32:42,313 --> 00:32:44,246
and then devastate
the people around you.
744
00:32:44,281 --> 00:32:46,352
It's a simple concept,
but you see it
745
00:32:46,386 --> 00:32:49,044
in "It Follows" and
"The Ring" and "Pulse"
746
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:50,770
and all these movies
that seem to be
747
00:32:50,804 --> 00:32:52,737
about just the oncoming
specter of death.
748
00:32:52,772 --> 00:32:56,120
And for some reason,
it never goes out of style.
749
00:32:56,155 --> 00:32:58,709
I think it's one of the best
horror films ever made,
750
00:32:58,743 --> 00:33:02,264
and it was
a huge inspiration on me
751
00:33:02,299 --> 00:33:04,853
in "The Haunting
of Hill House."
752
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:13,758
I started seeing her
when I was a kid.
753
00:33:13,793 --> 00:33:15,795
People who talk
to me about "Hill House"
754
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:18,108
talk to me about two things.
755
00:33:18,142 --> 00:33:20,489
One is the depth
of the family drama,
756
00:33:20,524 --> 00:33:22,215
and two is the Bent-Neck Lady.
757
00:33:24,217 --> 00:33:27,255
Nell, from a young age,
is haunted by this ghost
758
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:28,670
that she calls
the Bent-Neck Lady
759
00:33:28,704 --> 00:33:32,087
It was a bent-neck lady.
760
00:33:32,122 --> 00:33:34,710
And there are different
points in her childhood
761
00:33:34,745 --> 00:33:36,781
where she sees her.
762
00:33:36,816 --> 00:33:40,199
And Nell grows up,
but she always remembers her
763
00:33:40,233 --> 00:33:42,891
and believes that she
wants to ruin her life.
764
00:33:42,925 --> 00:33:46,688
I actually hadn't seen her
since Arthur and I met.
765
00:33:46,722 --> 00:33:49,208
And then she killed him.
766
00:33:51,831 --> 00:33:53,798
The Bent-Neck Lady was an image
767
00:33:53,833 --> 00:33:55,835
I thought worked
really, really well
768
00:33:55,869 --> 00:33:58,562
because it took
the attention off of her face.
769
00:33:58,596 --> 00:34:01,772
She could be instantly
recognizable in silhouette.
770
00:34:01,806 --> 00:34:05,327
And that was critically
important, because at no point
771
00:34:05,362 --> 00:34:07,778
could Nell or the audience
recognize
772
00:34:07,812 --> 00:34:10,470
the Beck-Neck Lady
as who she really was.
773
00:34:13,887 --> 00:34:15,717
And then at the end
of episode five,
774
00:34:15,751 --> 00:34:17,546
we have this beautiful scene
775
00:34:17,581 --> 00:34:19,858
where she goes back
to Hill House,
776
00:34:19,893 --> 00:34:22,586
and we see what
she's imagining in her mind,
777
00:34:22,620 --> 00:34:25,451
which is this gorgeous moment
where she's dancing
778
00:34:25,485 --> 00:34:27,936
through Hill House, and...
779
00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:30,525
she seems to finally have
found some kind of happiness.
780
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,215
And it's really beautiful.
781
00:34:32,251 --> 00:34:34,287
But it's intercut with the fact
782
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:37,358
that it's just this lonely
little figure twirling around
783
00:34:37,394 --> 00:34:40,673
in this completely
dilapidated house.
784
00:34:40,707 --> 00:34:44,159
And she goes up the stairs
of the library,
785
00:34:44,193 --> 00:34:46,436
and she sees her mother,
her dead mom.
786
00:34:46,472 --> 00:34:47,794
And her mother
gives her a necklace
787
00:34:47,818 --> 00:34:49,440
and puts it around her neck.
788
00:34:49,474 --> 00:34:51,201
And we cut to reality,
789
00:34:51,235 --> 00:34:53,410
where she's been putting
a noose around her neck.
790
00:34:53,443 --> 00:34:55,376
And she has this moment
of recognition.
791
00:34:55,412 --> 00:34:56,653
Mommy.
792
00:34:56,689 --> 00:34:58,829
And then she falls.
It's too late.
793
00:35:00,658 --> 00:35:02,695
And as her neck breaks
794
00:35:02,729 --> 00:35:04,283
and she's
on the end of the rope,
795
00:35:04,317 --> 00:35:06,423
she drops through her own past.
796
00:35:07,872 --> 00:35:10,875
The shrapnel of her
death in that moment
797
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:12,912
disburses out in all directions,
798
00:35:12,946 --> 00:35:15,190
including back in time.
799
00:35:15,225 --> 00:35:18,193
And those little pieces
puncture her life.
800
00:35:18,228 --> 00:35:19,712
And all of those moments
801
00:35:19,746 --> 00:35:21,886
where she thought
she had this visitor come in
802
00:35:21,921 --> 00:35:25,718
were really just
that explosion...
803
00:35:25,752 --> 00:35:28,721
reverberating backward,
and it was always just her.
804
00:35:28,755 --> 00:35:32,552
No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no!
805
00:35:32,587 --> 00:35:35,693
At the core of it, you have,
"My God, she never knew."
806
00:35:35,728 --> 00:35:38,800
She screamed so loud,
it hurt my ears.
807
00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:40,560
I was trying to pull
808
00:35:40,595 --> 00:35:43,391
from all of the movies
that I loved,
809
00:35:43,425 --> 00:35:44,909
especially ghost stories.
810
00:35:44,944 --> 00:35:47,015
I absolutely was thinking
811
00:35:47,049 --> 00:35:48,913
about that beautiful twist
in "Lake Mungo"
812
00:35:48,948 --> 00:35:50,605
and in "Don't Look Now,"
813
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,366
but wanting to try to find
a new gear for it,
814
00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:55,472
wanting to try to expand on it.
815
00:35:55,506 --> 00:35:57,853
I really wanted to play
with this idea
816
00:35:57,888 --> 00:36:01,616
that space and time
in a haunted house
817
00:36:01,650 --> 00:36:04,343
don't work the way
we expect them to,
818
00:36:04,377 --> 00:36:06,724
and that the laws of physics
as we understand them
819
00:36:06,759 --> 00:36:09,451
don't apply inside Hill House.
820
00:36:09,486 --> 00:36:11,419
I don't know a lot of people
821
00:36:11,453 --> 00:36:15,354
who would put time travel and
ghost story and family drama
822
00:36:15,388 --> 00:36:17,632
into a blender
and see what happens.
823
00:36:17,666 --> 00:36:19,910
And when it does, you get
this incredible milkshake
824
00:36:19,944 --> 00:36:22,015
of terror.
825
00:36:39,516 --> 00:36:41,966
What I really appreciate
of the opening
826
00:36:42,001 --> 00:36:43,554
of "It: Chapter One"
827
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:46,626
is that it really has
a beautiful sense
828
00:36:46,661 --> 00:36:49,595
of an older film
through the score,
829
00:36:49,629 --> 00:36:51,459
the way it's shot,
830
00:36:51,493 --> 00:36:53,564
the cute relationship
of the two brothers.
831
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:57,085
It does open like you're
gonna watch "The Goonies."
832
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,847
The older sibling
is pretending to have a cough
833
00:37:00,882 --> 00:37:03,367
because he doesn't
really want to go out
834
00:37:03,402 --> 00:37:05,369
with his little brother
and get wet.
835
00:37:05,404 --> 00:37:07,095
I'd come with you
if I weren't...
836
00:37:07,129 --> 00:37:08,786
Dying.
837
00:37:08,821 --> 00:37:10,478
Fine.
838
00:37:10,512 --> 00:37:13,101
So he sends him off
with a lot of love...
839
00:37:13,135 --> 00:37:15,862
Be careful.
840
00:37:15,897 --> 00:37:18,693
But then doesn't see him again.
841
00:37:21,143 --> 00:37:24,354
We shot that
for about five days.
842
00:37:24,388 --> 00:37:28,323
And it was covered
from every angle possible
843
00:37:28,358 --> 00:37:30,325
and every lens possible.
844
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,534
And Andy, I think,
845
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:35,365
ended up with a masterful scene.
846
00:37:40,473 --> 00:37:42,061
Hiya, Georgie.
847
00:37:44,926 --> 00:37:48,343
I'm Pennywise the Dancing Clown.
848
00:37:48,378 --> 00:37:50,103
If someone said to you,
849
00:37:50,138 --> 00:37:52,899
"No, the scare is a clown
in a storm drain,"
850
00:37:52,934 --> 00:37:55,799
you're like,
"I don't get it."
851
00:37:55,833 --> 00:37:58,491
But the second you get
the right filmmaker in there
852
00:37:58,526 --> 00:38:00,113
and the right writer in there,
853
00:38:00,148 --> 00:38:02,806
it becomes this kind of really
beautiful combination
854
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,015
of absurd and terrifying.
855
00:38:05,049 --> 00:38:06,948
What are you doing in the sewer?
856
00:38:06,982 --> 00:38:10,089
A storm blew me away...
857
00:38:10,123 --> 00:38:13,541
blew the whole circus away.
858
00:38:13,575 --> 00:38:15,025
The same creature can be scary,
859
00:38:15,059 --> 00:38:17,993
or it can be laughable,
depending on how you light it
860
00:38:18,028 --> 00:38:21,031
and what angle
of face he's doing,
861
00:38:21,065 --> 00:38:23,585
how the light reflects on them.
862
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:25,863
With Pennywise,
it was very precise.
863
00:38:25,898 --> 00:38:27,382
One of the things,
864
00:38:27,417 --> 00:38:29,557
you know, that gives me
the creeps about eyes
865
00:38:29,591 --> 00:38:30,937
is when they're lit from below.
866
00:38:30,972 --> 00:38:34,493
When the light hits the
lower section of the eyeball,
867
00:38:34,527 --> 00:38:36,529
then you got something
very special.
868
00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:39,014
Pop.
Pop, pop, pop.
869
00:38:39,049 --> 00:38:42,501
Pop, pop.
870
00:38:47,816 --> 00:38:50,750
In that scene,
we present Pennywise as someone
871
00:38:50,785 --> 00:38:53,477
that is unpredictable.
872
00:38:53,512 --> 00:38:55,168
He has these changes of behavior
873
00:38:55,203 --> 00:38:57,101
that are very hard
to understand.
874
00:38:57,136 --> 00:39:00,415
He's mocking the kid.
He's playing the kid.
875
00:39:00,450 --> 00:39:02,590
I should get going now.
876
00:39:02,624 --> 00:39:04,937
Without your boat?
877
00:39:04,971 --> 00:39:06,663
You don't want
to lose it, Georgie.
878
00:39:06,697 --> 00:39:07,836
Bill's gonna kill you.
879
00:39:10,874 --> 00:39:13,117
Here, take it.
880
00:39:26,855 --> 00:39:30,065
But then you see
this little boy's arm-- bleh!
881
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:31,653
Like, you see all this gore.
882
00:39:31,688 --> 00:39:35,761
And I did not expect it
to go that gory.
883
00:39:35,795 --> 00:39:37,808
The world has teeth and can
bite you at any second.
884
00:39:37,832 --> 00:39:40,800
It's so sudden and so unfair
885
00:39:40,835 --> 00:39:43,734
and so plausible
in its absurdity
886
00:39:43,769 --> 00:39:45,218
that it sticks with you.
887
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:47,635
It could have been
a lot bloodier.
888
00:39:47,669 --> 00:39:49,026
It could have been less bloody.
889
00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:52,467
But I think he got
the right balance for it,
890
00:39:52,502 --> 00:39:55,263
and that's why it's iconic.
891
00:39:58,818 --> 00:40:02,063
Billy!
892
00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:17,975
"I Saw the Devil"
893
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:20,530
is just
another fantastic example
894
00:40:20,564 --> 00:40:24,292
of how unapologetic
Korean films are.
895
00:40:25,845 --> 00:40:30,505
Absolutely vicious,
ultraviolent...
896
00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:33,094
one of the best pieces
of revenge cinema of all time.
897
00:40:40,688 --> 00:40:43,035
That opening scene,
it's a make-or-break thing.
898
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:45,037
If you don't make it past
the first 15 minutes,
899
00:40:45,071 --> 00:40:46,877
you're not gonna be able
to take the rest of the movie.
900
00:40:46,901 --> 00:40:49,559
That opening sequence
of the car is really stunning
901
00:40:49,593 --> 00:40:52,113
because of the snow.
902
00:40:52,147 --> 00:40:54,598
There's a great aspect
with the windshield wipers
903
00:40:54,633 --> 00:40:56,911
and what you're gonna see
and what you're not gonna see.
904
00:40:58,706 --> 00:41:01,087
Starting out without
any context of anything,
905
00:41:01,122 --> 00:41:04,608
you are in the story
of this girl...
906
00:41:04,643 --> 00:41:06,576
stuck in the snow...
907
00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:08,578
Without help.
908
00:41:17,932 --> 00:41:20,935
As a woman, that's really scary.
909
00:41:24,179 --> 00:41:26,250
It already sets you up
in a situation
910
00:41:26,285 --> 00:41:28,805
that you believe
every second of it.
911
00:41:47,824 --> 00:41:50,067
It's almost really hard
to describe the scene
912
00:41:50,102 --> 00:41:53,243
because it's painful to watch.
913
00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:56,695
And it's too real.
914
00:41:59,042 --> 00:42:03,391
That opening scene was brutal...
915
00:42:03,425 --> 00:42:06,843
but also the beauty, 'cause,
of course, Korean filmmaking
916
00:42:06,877 --> 00:42:08,638
is always beautiful
at the same time.
917
00:42:08,672 --> 00:42:11,779
Just the dragging
on the snow her body,
918
00:42:11,813 --> 00:42:14,333
and you see the trail of blood
and how much it stands out.
919
00:42:14,367 --> 00:42:16,749
It's visceral.
920
00:42:16,784 --> 00:42:18,337
And it stays with you.
921
00:42:20,753 --> 00:42:22,686
In Kim Jee-woon's style
in general,
922
00:42:22,721 --> 00:42:25,931
there's this tension
between the precision
923
00:42:25,965 --> 00:42:29,624
of the way that he frames
924
00:42:29,659 --> 00:42:31,764
and edits his images...
925
00:42:35,906 --> 00:42:40,739
But the actual content
of them is just madness.
926
00:42:40,773 --> 00:42:43,845
Thinking about that image
of the victim's naked body
927
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,985
in the body bag
across the frame.
928
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:48,056
And we think she might be dead.
929
00:42:48,091 --> 00:42:49,920
But then she jerks.
930
00:42:49,955 --> 00:42:52,233
And, of course, which makes
us all jerk in the audience.
931
00:42:54,856 --> 00:42:56,040
What's also interesting,
I think,
932
00:42:56,064 --> 00:42:59,412
about the actual murder
is that we don't see
933
00:42:59,447 --> 00:43:01,794
the actual moment of death.
934
00:43:10,354 --> 00:43:12,874
It's just last conversation.
935
00:43:12,909 --> 00:43:14,186
The desperate moments
936
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:16,706
of a woman who knows she
is about to die.
937
00:43:24,023 --> 00:43:26,923
Rendered in shot/reverse shot
in these close-ups.
938
00:43:26,957 --> 00:43:30,996
And then ultimately,
drops the knife...
939
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:32,307
cuts to black.
940
00:43:32,342 --> 00:43:33,446
It's one of the few moments
941
00:43:33,481 --> 00:43:34,896
that we don't see
in gory detail.
942
00:43:34,931 --> 00:43:37,692
In that moment,
we're forced to, you know,
943
00:43:37,727 --> 00:43:40,143
radically empathize
with her position.
944
00:43:40,177 --> 00:43:41,834
That's death for you, right?
945
00:43:41,869 --> 00:43:44,250
The lights go out,
and that's it.
946
00:43:54,019 --> 00:43:58,264
We'll tear your soul apart.
947
00:43:59,990 --> 00:44:01,405
There's probably not
a horror fan
948
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,718
in the whole world that
hasn't seen "Hellraiser."
949
00:44:03,753 --> 00:44:07,308
"Hellraiser" was a $1 million
movie from Clive Barker,
950
00:44:07,342 --> 00:44:10,138
a horror novelist who'd
never made a movie before.
951
00:44:10,173 --> 00:44:13,107
And it had some
of the most visceral,
952
00:44:13,141 --> 00:44:16,248
gut-wrenching moments
ever put to film.
953
00:44:16,282 --> 00:44:18,422
A lot of, like, horror films
954
00:44:18,457 --> 00:44:21,149
that combine sex and death
before that
955
00:44:21,184 --> 00:44:23,358
have a puritanical edge,
956
00:44:23,393 --> 00:44:26,189
where it's like, you're
being punished for having sex.
957
00:44:26,223 --> 00:44:28,432
And "Hellraiser" is doing
something different.
958
00:44:28,467 --> 00:44:30,469
It combines all of this imagery
959
00:44:30,503 --> 00:44:33,092
of BDSM into a horror film
960
00:44:33,127 --> 00:44:35,888
and essentially selling you
on this idea that there
961
00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:37,890
are, like, pleasures
of the flesh
962
00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:39,305
that you could never know
963
00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:42,032
unless you have this box
964
00:44:42,067 --> 00:44:44,552
that will open a portal
to another dimension.
965
00:44:44,586 --> 00:44:47,175
Take it.
It's yours.
966
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:49,384
It always was.
967
00:44:49,419 --> 00:44:52,560
You have to figure
Frank first opened that box
968
00:44:52,594 --> 00:44:54,873
because he was bored
by everything
969
00:44:54,907 --> 00:44:56,909
that he had done here on Earth.
970
00:44:56,944 --> 00:45:00,188
Like, he had done every level
of sadomasochistic fetishism
971
00:45:00,223 --> 00:45:02,397
he could come across,
to the point where he's like,
972
00:45:02,432 --> 00:45:05,228
"Well, I wonderful if aliens
can do anything to me."
973
00:45:06,919 --> 00:45:09,888
The body is not a temple
in Clive Barker's mind.
974
00:45:09,922 --> 00:45:11,786
The body is meat.
975
00:45:11,821 --> 00:45:14,375
The flesh only holds
it all together.
976
00:45:14,409 --> 00:45:18,551
And the flesh is ripped
asunder in "Hellraiser."
977
00:45:18,586 --> 00:45:22,176
The Cenobites gave me
an experience beyond limits.
978
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:25,558
Pain and pleasure, indivisible.
979
00:45:25,593 --> 00:45:29,183
There's this moment at the
end of the movie when Frank,
980
00:45:29,217 --> 00:45:31,047
now kind of within
the skin of his brother,
981
00:45:31,081 --> 00:45:33,221
whatever kind of kinky
thrills he was in,
982
00:45:33,256 --> 00:45:35,085
the Faustian pact is
that the Cenobites
983
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,812
are gonna come
and rip you apart.
984
00:45:37,847 --> 00:45:39,883
The Cenobites themselves--
985
00:45:39,918 --> 00:45:42,299
they're obviously kind of,
like, agents of hell
986
00:45:42,334 --> 00:45:45,302
and there to kind of,
like, take people's souls
987
00:45:45,337 --> 00:45:47,063
and damn them for eternity.
988
00:45:47,097 --> 00:45:50,238
But they also don't seem
like the bad guys.
989
00:45:50,273 --> 00:45:53,448
It's almost like
they're the fetish cops.
990
00:45:53,483 --> 00:45:55,278
It's like, "Frank,
you have gone too far.
991
00:45:55,312 --> 00:45:56,900
You must be destroyed."
992
00:45:56,935 --> 00:45:59,006
So they show up
with a lot of hooks.
993
00:46:01,422 --> 00:46:03,355
A lot of hooks.
994
00:46:05,391 --> 00:46:07,600
Frank.
995
00:46:07,635 --> 00:46:08,636
No.
996
00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:10,638
Frank realizes, "Fuck."
997
00:46:10,672 --> 00:46:13,054
"The Cenobites are here.
998
00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:14,607
There's no escaping this."
999
00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:33,212
But the moment that is, like,
that standout,
1000
00:46:33,247 --> 00:46:35,111
memorable moment
of "Hellraiser"...
1001
00:46:35,145 --> 00:46:36,985
Is when he has his
final line, where he says...
1002
00:46:37,009 --> 00:46:40,599
Jesus wept.
1003
00:46:40,633 --> 00:46:43,326
I didn't find out
until much, much later
1004
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,121
that in other countries,
1005
00:46:45,155 --> 00:46:47,882
"Jesus wept" is almost a
colloquial saying
1006
00:46:47,917 --> 00:46:49,332
that's a little sarcastic.
1007
00:46:49,366 --> 00:46:52,507
It kind of means, like,
"brother" or "boy."
1008
00:46:52,542 --> 00:46:56,304
It's almost as if Frank
is kind of digging
1009
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:58,341
what's being done to him in
those final moments,
1010
00:46:58,375 --> 00:47:00,308
and he's, like, "Yeah."
1011
00:47:00,343 --> 00:47:02,345
You only see Frank's face,
1012
00:47:02,379 --> 00:47:04,588
but I would hazard a guess
that Frank is fully erect
1013
00:47:04,623 --> 00:47:06,314
at that point when he dies.
1014
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:08,269
It's like, for him, that's
the perfect way to go.
1015
00:47:12,527 --> 00:47:15,945
BDSM and kink communities
are frequently dismissed
1016
00:47:15,979 --> 00:47:18,913
as just being outside of society
1017
00:47:18,948 --> 00:47:21,260
or outside of sexual norms,
1018
00:47:21,295 --> 00:47:24,401
but are exploring how our bodies
1019
00:47:24,436 --> 00:47:27,301
can be keys to greater
consciousness
1020
00:47:27,335 --> 00:47:29,544
or altered consciousness
in a way.
1021
00:47:29,579 --> 00:47:33,307
And so there's almost this
kind of impish, bratty quality
1022
00:47:33,341 --> 00:47:35,516
of what Clive Barker is doing
1023
00:47:35,550 --> 00:47:37,967
to sort of say,
like, "You think we're freaks.
1024
00:47:38,001 --> 00:47:40,279
"You think we're evil.
You think that we're demons.
1025
00:47:40,314 --> 00:47:42,385
"Then, sure.
Sure.
1026
00:47:42,419 --> 00:47:45,353
"I'll give you that narrative
on a silver platter.
1027
00:47:45,388 --> 00:47:47,252
"And it'll be fun
for you to watch,
1028
00:47:47,286 --> 00:47:50,565
and it'll be fun for us
to see you watch."
1029
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,740
But that transgressive quality
1030
00:47:52,774 --> 00:47:54,466
went over a lot
of people's heads.
1031
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:56,019
Come to Daddy.
1032
00:47:56,054 --> 00:47:58,021
Clive Barker
is telling his audience,
1033
00:47:58,056 --> 00:47:59,505
"If you know, you know."
1034
00:47:59,540 --> 00:48:02,198
And a lot of his audience
does know.
78725
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