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I don't know which came first,
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my fear of being in the shower
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with my eyes closed
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or me watching "Psycho."
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I remember leaving the theater
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and being scared to walk
from the theater to my car
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because I was scared
of Ghostface
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and of the world.
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Stand clear!
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It changed who I was.
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Like, I felt my DNA
being unwound
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and then rewound
into something different
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at that exact moment.
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There's something
about a jump scare...
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And if it's well done,
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it affects the entire room.
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That was one
of the moments that--
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honey, please!
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I could not sit through--
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I have goosebumps.
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When we were filming it,
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we had to imagine
what was going on.
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So when I saw it in the theater,
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I was like, my God.
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It was fantastic.
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I think all of us
who work in the industry
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spend all of our time
revisiting these scenes
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that have seared their way
into our imagination
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the first time we ever saw them,
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scenes that you see one time
and you'll never forget.
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We love them.
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We discuss them.
We dissect them.
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We try to understand
what makes them work
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mechanically and logistically.
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But it's something intangible.
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It's something emotional.
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It's nothing you can
kind of cynically recreate.
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The beginning of "It Follows"
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is one of the best intros
to any film.
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She comes tearing
out of her house
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in one direction.
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We witness just sheer terror
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in that young woman.
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Hey, are you okay?
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Yeah.
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Is clearly being pursued
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by something that she senses
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and seems like she can see
but we can't.
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It's completely unknowable.
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It's this completely unknown,
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unknowable thing
that's coming after her.
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From the very
beginning, I was like.
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Total male gaze, you know?
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Why is she running in heels?
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On rewatching it,
I better understand
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why she's running in heels,
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because she's always running.
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That's nothing new
about this running.
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She's, like,
running all the time.
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Sometimes you just have to run
with what you're wearing.
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Then that
little moment on the beach
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where we sort of imagine, like,
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this is the girl
that we're gonna follow
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for the rest of the film.
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Dad? I'm sorry I can be
such a shit to you sometimes.
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She's plaintively
talking to her father.
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I don't know why I do that.
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All these different things,
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that she knows she's gonna die.
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It's the tension of it.
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The setup for it is
just, like, what is going on?
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And you don't find out what
the thing is until much later.
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And then cut
to just that insane image
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of her clearly dead
on the beach.
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You don't see
the gruesome murder,
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but you see the effects of it.
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And you see her
all contorted on the beach,
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and it's like, fuck.
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That's a great setup,
because now,
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you know what this guy's
gonna do to you.
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What these people
that are following you
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are gonna do to you.
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And then the story opens,
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you know, where we
sort of are introduced
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to the main character.
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Then the story unfolds
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in a pace
that we can understand.
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There was just so much dread
in that film.
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It was
a really interesting, smart,
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like, new kind of genre piece
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that I think
will always be on the list
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of films that did something
different with the genre.
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"The Orphanage"
is wildly elegant,
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which is a great tradition
in ghost stories.
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You know, it feels like
a very classical haunter.
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It's so powerful,
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and it's not
your typical horror movie.
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I know a lot
of Americans watch it,
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and they think it's terrifying.
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But at the same time,
it's really beautiful.
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And you're in the environment
where you're isolated.
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You're in an old house.
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There's very little
electricity. It's dark.
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It really can't get better
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than a sack on the head.
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And a child-- a child ghost
with a sack on his head
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is just-- kids are creepy.
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Kids are naturally creepy,
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so ghost kids kind of
take that to a new level.
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And it has this scene
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where Laura, the main character,
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she's looking for her son.
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She's convinced he's
in the orphanage somewhere,
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and she knows there are
these sort of ghost spirits
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of children in the orphanage.
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And she thinks
they can help her.
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So she plays this game,
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and there's something
about a children's game
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that makes it really scary.
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Playing a children's game
with ghosts
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is very scary.
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The game is,
you say one, two, three,
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knock on the wall while
you're looking at the wall,
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and then you turn
to see if anybody's coming
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because the first person
to get to you wins.
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And she looks back,
and there's nothing.
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And then she starts
to do it again,
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and there's a noise behind her.
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And she looks back,
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and the door is opened.
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And then she does it again...
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Turns back,
and there's a ghost child.
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There's a ghost child
behind her.
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Normally, that scene,
she would throw a look,
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and you would cut
to what she's looking,
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and then go back to her face,
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throw a look,
cut to what she's looking,
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but Juan A. does
the right thing,
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which is decide
to stay on one shot
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and just, like, pan.
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Because when that camera
pans in the theater,
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there's no way to stop it.
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It's gonna go
where it's gonna go,
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and you know something
horrific is gonna show up,
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and the kids are gonna be there,
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and it's gonna be terrifying.
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And eventually, she does it,
and then all of a sudden,
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a hand grabs her from behind.
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All done in one shot.
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So brilliant, so scary,
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and just a really great
horror movie scene.
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It's incredible
when something so simple
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can be so good.
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What is he
really doing in Salem's Lot?
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Writing a book, he says.
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I'm writing about a house.
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The Marsten House.
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I think that an evil house
attracts evil men.
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"Salem's Lot,"
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I had my doubts about it
because it was television.
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And very few horror movies
for television in the '70s
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were very good
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because they weren't really made
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by people
who cared about the genre.
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They weren't genre filmmakers.
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In this case,
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they brought in Tobe Hooper.
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Tobe Hooper was coming
off "Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
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and "Eaten Alive,"
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which are gritty,
grindhousey-type movies.
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And he ended up making
this really iconic,
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incredible, haunting,
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beautiful Stephen King
adaptation for "Salem's Lot."
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For me, the most iconic
scene in that miniseries
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was the scene of the boy
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outside the window,
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scratching at the glass,
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trying to convince his friend
to open the window to him
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and let him in.
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The kid wakes up.
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There's a fog behind the window.
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He stands up.
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We can't figure out what it is
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at the beginning.
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And the music
was almost like "Jaws."
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It was a...
โช Dun-dun
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โช Dun-dun dun-dun
dun-dun dun-dun โช
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That was really
getting me all worked up.
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And then he comes forward,
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and it's, like,
this kid in the window.
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I mean, it's an iconic moment.
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Open the window.
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That kid's scratching
at the window.
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"Let me in."
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Let me in.
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It's okay, Mark.
I'm your friend.
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He commands it.
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Don't let that kid in, man.
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I mean, like, how did they
even allow that on television?
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What was beautiful about it
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and made it very otherworldly
and nightmarish,
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is that Tobe shot it
in slow motion
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and in reverse.
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And when it played backwards,
he moving forwards,
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but there's something
very foreign and bizarre
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and mysterious
and scary about it.
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Let me in.
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But the worst thing of all
is the eyes, the lit eyes.
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I still don't know
how they did it
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because it was definitely
not the digital era.
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I don't think they were
optical effects either.
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I suspect that
they were contact lenses,
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that somehow they refracted
the distant light.
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And it's really terrifying.
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No, Mark.
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I just remember not wanting
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to fall asleep near a window
for a while.
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It's
a brilliantly conceived scene.
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It was very simple to do,
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but it took Tobe Hooper
to come up with it.
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Go away.
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The best screen version
of "Dracula"
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is Hammer Film's 1958,
"The Horror of Dracula"
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with Christopher Lee.
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legendary.
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The description
I read about him,
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which was really perfect, was,
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"He's a panther."
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I mean, he is tall, dangerous...
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Scary.
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The very first time we see him,
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he's in this wide shot
at the top of the stairs.
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We can just see his silhouette,
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which is very impressive.
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He's wearing this cape,
and he's so tall.
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And then he comes
down those stairs,
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and every time he's shot,
it's kind of at a low angle,
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so that already--
just the camera-- shows you
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that there's something
a little bit disturbing
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about him.
- Mr. Harker.
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I'm glad
that you've arrived safely.
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But he's so smooth
in the way that he talks,
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and so polite, and so nice.
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Count Dracula.
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I am Dracula,
and I welcome you to my house.
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He has that duality of
he is a very respectable man,
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but he is a monster.
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Please don't distress yourself.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And I always loved that sequence
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where the female vampire
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is trying to seduce
Jonathan Harker.
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In your head, you're going,
okay, this is it.
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He's gonna get bitten.
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And then there's that hiss,
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and you cut
to that magnificent close-up
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of Christopher Lee
with the blood on his face
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and the bloodshot
contact lenses.
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The contrast of going
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from the gentleman
that we met before--
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it's so feral and so raw,
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and there's nothing human
about him.
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When he hisses and he lunges
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and grabs the girl
and throws the girl away,
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and then the girl looks like
this weird, feral cat,
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where she's got
a little bit of blood on her
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and she's ready to pounce.
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And she keeps going at him.
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And Dracula keeps
throwing her away.
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And then when Harker
goes to protect her,
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he starts to choke him.
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It's such a terrifying scene,
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but there's so much going on.
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And he actually
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weirdly saves
Jonathan Harker's life
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by protecting him from her.
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The kids were choking
on their popcorn
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when we saw this 'cause they--
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we just weren't used
to seeing this kind of thing.
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Whenever anybody talked
about horror movies,
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the "Horror of Dracula"
was always the top movie
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for the next, I don't know,
decade, I would say.
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There were sequels,
there were remakes.
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There were
other Dracula movies made,
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but the impact
that that one had,
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partly because
of when it came out
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and partly because of how old
everybody was when they saw it,
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made it into sort of
an instant classic.
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The success of those films
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inspired filmmakers like Bava.
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That inspired
the Italian filmmakers.
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They wanted to emulate
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the success
of Hammer Horror films,
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so they started doing some
of their own horror films,
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and that's how we got
some of Bava's best work.
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"Black Sabbath"
was a multistory movie.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
how do you do?
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Karloff was the host,
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and he had done a whole series
of introductions
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for the Italian version.
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But the one
that everybody remembers
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is the drop of water.
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In this tale by Chekhov,
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"The Drop of Water,"
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we prove that a ghost
doesn't have to be seen
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to be believed.
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It's visually one of the
most beautiful pieces of film
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that I've seen.
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The use of color in it
is just remarkable.
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In "The Drop of Water,"
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a nurse is called late night
because this woman has died,
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and she kind of has go
kind of declare it dead
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and dress the body
for the funeral.
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And she gets there,
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and she pulls back
these massive bed curtains...
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And it is this, like,
hideous face of this old woman
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just making this
absolutely grimacing face.
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It's all teeth and big eyes.
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Still to this day,
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a couple friends of mine and I
talk about that.
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Like, was that a person?
Was it makeup?
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Was it a dummy head?
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The eyes looked so real.
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It scared the hell out of me.
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There was just something
about cutting back to it...
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And it was just looking.
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We see this fly
buzzing around the room.
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And I don't mean like a housefly
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is buzzing around the room;
this thing is like
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a horsefly
that keeps landing on her.
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I mean, ever talks about
how scary the old woman is
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in this sequence,
but seriously, that fly
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was the creepiest part to me.
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It was just gargantuanly huge.
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"The Drop of Water," to me, is
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the most special kind
of supernatural horror.
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It really is about being trapped
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and really the slow dread
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of being confronted
by a living corpse...
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Who wants what they want,
even from beyond the grave.
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I love this sequence,
because usually,
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when you're looking
at kind of horror,
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and especially female actresses
during this time period,
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they stay
very beautiful throughout.
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"Drop of Water,"
actress has just none of that.
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Her hair is messed up,
her makeup's all messed up.
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She is just thrashed
by the end of this.
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I recently showed it
to a niece of mine,
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you know, who was 14 years old.
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And I was thinking, you know,
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is she gonna think
this is as creepy as I do?
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And yeah,
it really did creep her out.
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The eyes, just the staring eyes,
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really bothered her.
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So "Pulse," or "Kairo,"
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is a film essentially
about the Internet
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as this conduit for the dead
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to move into our physical world.
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If you think about
how many people have died
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over all of human history,
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and then all these spirits
have to go somewhere.
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And at some point,
when it became too full,
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they had to spill out
back into our world.
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"Pulse"
takes all of these ghosts
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that are running around
in Japan and puts them--
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you might say, it turns them
into the ghosts in the machine.
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Supernatural forces have
been trying to take us down
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for God knows how long,
but they finally found
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a way to do it, you know, just
with the click of a mouse.
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The way in which these
ghosts make themselves known
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is, as one character puts it,
trapping characters
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in their own loneliness,
or their isolation.
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Operating on multiple levels,
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both the fear of ghosts
and the supernatural
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but then fear
of the technology itself
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and what it's doing to society.
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When I think of iconic moments
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and images from "Pulse,"
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I think black marks on walls.
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It's a character
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who has been trapped
in their loneliness
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and either disappears
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or they will, you know,
actually commit suicide...
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And this black mark will
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sort of indicate
where they killed themselves
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or where they ultimately
gave into their loneliness.
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And I think
it could only be made
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by Kiyoshi Kurosawa,
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who is
the master of slow dread--
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like, the utter king of it.
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Probably the pinnacle of that
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is that long hallway
with the ghost.
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We see a woman ghost
just standing there,
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not doing anything.
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And then she comes
walking to us very slowly.
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Then there's a ghost who moves
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unlike any other ghost
you've ever seen.
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There's this way
in which it's off-kilter
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that adds to this atmosphere
of "this is not of this world."
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And then she seems to fall,
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and it was shot at high speed,
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so that gives
that ethereal sense of movement
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that is terrifying.
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The simplicity of
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this is a thing
that should not be here,
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and it is coming for you,
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and it is moving in a way
that you can't process
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00:21:16,883 --> 00:21:18,470
because you've never seen
anything like that before,
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is really stunning.
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This is a film that, like,
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I can feel
in the pit of my stomach.
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And for some reason,
it's just that absence
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where somebody was there,
they're not there,
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and then sometimes
they come back,
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you know, as an image,
as a ghostly image,
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and then it could leave again--
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there's something about that
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that maybe it speaks to, again,
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00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:45,390
this idea in Japanese horror
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where this corporeal
and the spiritual,
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that line gets blurred.
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You can feel that emptiness
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that is sort
of the metaphysical level
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that Kiyoshi Kurosawa's
working on.
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Is Tamara here?
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No.
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00:22:18,292 --> 00:22:19,532
No, you've got the wrong house.
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00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:21,469
You sure?
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00:22:23,297 --> 00:22:24,666
I've seen so many horror movies,
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00:22:24,690 --> 00:22:26,562
I actually
don't get scared anymore,
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00:22:26,605 --> 00:22:29,086
but "The Strangers"
is extremely effective...
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00:22:31,001 --> 00:22:33,395
Possibly because
I'm not expecting
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somebody in a doll face mask
to show up at my door.
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00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:39,444
The home invasion angle of that
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00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:41,794
has a very realistic edge to it,
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00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:44,406
and they were actually
based on real-life crimes.
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00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:49,280
That kind of just
affects you in a way
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00:22:49,323 --> 00:22:51,978
that, yes, you're home alone,
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there could be somebody
in your house with you,
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and you don't know where
they are or what they're doing.
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00:22:58,898 --> 00:23:00,528
They're just
everywhere in the house,
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00:23:00,552 --> 00:23:03,120
but you don't know
where they are.
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00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,513
And that's really freaky.
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00:23:07,994 --> 00:23:09,518
Liv Tyler's in the kitchen,
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00:23:09,561 --> 00:23:11,476
and then he wanders out
and just stares at her,
447
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,434
and, again, doesn't do anything.
448
00:23:12,477 --> 00:23:13,826
It's that agony of,
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00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:15,175
well, he's not gonna do it now
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00:23:15,219 --> 00:23:16,457
and you're just
gonna have to wait,
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00:23:16,481 --> 00:23:17,641
knowing that it's gonna come.
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00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:23,508
The fact that
the person comes into frame
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00:23:23,532 --> 00:23:25,142
and then slowly goes back out--
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if she saw that person
behind her in that moment,
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that changes
the whole dynamic of the scene
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and what we're actually
experiencing as an audience.
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00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:33,498
James?
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As an audience member,
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now you are a step ahead
of where our characters are
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and what they're experiencing,
what they're living.
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00:23:43,073 --> 00:23:45,249
The tension is now
ratcheted up to a ten.
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It just keeps you on edge
463
00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:50,098
for the entire rest
of the movie.
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Block the door.
Block the door!
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And then you get
to maybe the scariest moment,
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which isn't even
a moment of violence.
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00:24:04,529 --> 00:24:06,226
It's a piece of dialogue, right?
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00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:07,663
It's when she says...
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Why are you doing this to us?
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Because you were home.
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00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,938
It's the one answer
no one ever wants to hear,
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00:24:21,981 --> 00:24:23,113
is "because you were home."
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That's, like,
the one part of the movie
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where no matter what
has happened up until then,
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you now have goosebumps
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00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:34,951
and you are terrified
to your core.
477
00:24:37,214 --> 00:24:39,564
A lot of movies don't have
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the wherewithal
to stick to that.
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00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:43,263
They want to find the "reason,"
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the "backstory,"
or the "mythology."
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00:24:48,834 --> 00:24:50,986
And I think "The Strangers"
really sticking to the idea
482
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that is just random
and cruel and violent
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00:24:53,796 --> 00:24:55,493
hammers home
what's so compelling
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00:24:55,537 --> 00:24:57,818
about home invasion, which
is that it could happen to you.
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00:25:11,204 --> 00:25:12,554
There's a marked difference
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between the horror films
of the '40s
487
00:25:14,033 --> 00:25:15,774
and the horror films
of the '30s:
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it came out
of Universal Studios.
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Out of that bunch,
there were some classics,
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"The Wolf Man" being the one
491
00:25:24,478 --> 00:25:27,177
that immediately leaps to mind.
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00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:29,919
"The Wolf Man"
is one of those situations
493
00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:33,792
where everything just happened
to work out perfectly.
494
00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,533
Well, there's
something very tragic
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about that man.
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00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:39,102
Why does everyone insist
that I'm confused?
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00:25:39,145 --> 00:25:41,191
"The Wolf Man" was
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one of the first horror films
that I ever saw.
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00:25:44,411 --> 00:25:47,197
"The Wolf Man" grabbed me
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and dragged me
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00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:52,245
into the love affair
502
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:54,508
that has continued
to this day with horror.
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00:25:56,467 --> 00:25:59,078
Lon Chaney Jr. was someone
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00:25:59,122 --> 00:26:02,821
that I just felt an instant
empathy towards as a kid,
505
00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:04,475
and I still do as an adult.
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00:26:04,518 --> 00:26:06,235
The performance that he gives
as Larry Talbot
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00:26:06,259 --> 00:26:09,915
is just so vulnerable
and sad and beautiful.
508
00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:14,200
It's interesting when you look
509
00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:15,834
at the transformation
sequence again
510
00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:19,229
from the first "Wolf Man,"
is it happens on the feet.
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00:26:19,272 --> 00:26:21,057
You're aware
of what's about to happen,
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00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,625
and then it tilts down,
and then the feet change.
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00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:28,020
You never see him transform
in the first movie.
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00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:29,979
You see him transform back
at the end.
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00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:34,940
I always was--
and still to this day--
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00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:36,855
fascinated with that makeup
517
00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:38,814
because the makeup changes
from film to film.
518
00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:43,557
The makeup is just insane.
519
00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:47,039
That is the iconic moment to me,
520
00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:48,867
watching Lon Chaney Jr.
521
00:26:48,911 --> 00:26:52,218
transform into the wolf
the first time
522
00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:53,785
and seeing his face
go through that.
523
00:26:57,876 --> 00:27:01,358
The way Talbot turns
into the wolf man,
524
00:27:01,401 --> 00:27:03,708
that shit-- I mean, that--
525
00:27:03,752 --> 00:27:06,537
it's still one of
my favorite cinematic moments,
526
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:09,018
just watching
those layers come on.
527
00:27:15,241 --> 00:27:16,721
The idea that Jack Pierce
528
00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:18,897
had to go into the stage
529
00:27:18,941 --> 00:27:21,639
and all his stuff was probably
right there off-camera,
530
00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,467
and here's the camera,
and he would go in,
531
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:25,382
work a little bit, step away.
532
00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:28,254
It would take six hours
or seven hours
533
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:29,908
to do that transformation.
534
00:27:31,823 --> 00:27:33,975
There have been so many
legendary makeup artists
535
00:27:33,999 --> 00:27:36,741
in the history of cinema
and horror cinema,
536
00:27:36,785 --> 00:27:38,264
but you think about that film
537
00:27:38,308 --> 00:27:40,702
and the way that
it kind of paved a path
538
00:27:40,745 --> 00:27:42,268
for generations to come.
539
00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:07,337
American horror films
in the '30s and '40s,
540
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:10,949
people immediately go
to Universal Studios.
541
00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:16,433
But there was a whole other
horror factory at that time,
542
00:28:16,476 --> 00:28:18,914
in Hollywood, at RKO studios,
543
00:28:18,957 --> 00:28:22,004
under the supervision
of Val Lewton.
544
00:28:22,047 --> 00:28:26,356
He had a series of studio
executives that hated him
545
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,967
because he refused
to do what they wanted.
546
00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:32,101
They gave him "Cat People,"
547
00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,885
and they wanted "The Wolf Man"
with a cat,
548
00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:35,495
which was a terrible idea.
549
00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:39,567
You wake up and go, "My God,
what happened to the yarn?"
550
00:28:43,242 --> 00:28:45,114
But he would,
almost to spite them,
551
00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,899
create these really
brilliant, intelligent,
552
00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:49,596
intellectual,
psychological dramas.
553
00:28:55,211 --> 00:28:56,651
The idea of "Cat People" is that
554
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:58,954
when the heroine is aroused,
she turns into an animal.
555
00:29:05,351 --> 00:29:07,266
That was
a moderately risky premise
556
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:10,182
for a movie in 1942.
557
00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:12,358
And the ads for "Cat People"
are so lurid.
558
00:29:12,402 --> 00:29:14,362
I mean, they've got these
pictures of Simone Simon
559
00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:16,275
with, like,
horrible hands and claws
560
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,451
and drippy stuff coming out
on all the artwork,
561
00:29:18,495 --> 00:29:20,105
none of which is in the movie.
562
00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:29,656
There's a scene in "Cat People"
563
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,160
where the second lead actress,
564
00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:34,380
who is competing
with Simone Simon's husband
565
00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:35,599
for affection
566
00:29:35,642 --> 00:29:37,035
but is very much
on the up and up
567
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,473
and is obviously supposed
to be someone we like,
568
00:29:40,517 --> 00:29:44,477
goes for a swim in
what looks like a YMCA pool.
569
00:29:47,654 --> 00:29:50,005
She hears growling.
570
00:29:50,048 --> 00:29:52,616
She sees something
in the shadows
571
00:29:52,659 --> 00:29:54,574
coming down the stairs,
572
00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:57,055
and that's the only way
in and out of that pool area.
573
00:29:59,928 --> 00:30:01,843
So the only thing
she can think of doing
574
00:30:01,886 --> 00:30:03,540
is jumping
in the middle of the pool,
575
00:30:03,583 --> 00:30:06,064
which puts her
in a vulnerable position
576
00:30:06,108 --> 00:30:08,893
because what if
that creature can swim,
577
00:30:08,937 --> 00:30:11,591
you know, and it jumps in there
and claws your face off?
578
00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:18,120
And there's also a brief glimpse
579
00:30:18,163 --> 00:30:19,904
of what could be a panther.
580
00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:21,645
You're never quite sure
exactly what it is
581
00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:22,689
that you see.
582
00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:26,215
What the audience can imagine
583
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:28,434
can sometimes be scarier
and more terrifying
584
00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:29,783
than what you can show them.
585
00:30:33,613 --> 00:30:35,485
Something's in the dark
that you can't see,
586
00:30:35,528 --> 00:30:36,921
but you know it can see you.
587
00:30:40,664 --> 00:30:42,231
Help!
588
00:30:45,408 --> 00:30:47,366
Help!
589
00:30:47,410 --> 00:30:50,021
Some of the most effective
moments in horror films
590
00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:52,981
are moments where the audience
thinks it's seeing something
591
00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:54,939
or has barely gotten
a glimpse of something
592
00:30:54,983 --> 00:30:56,680
and aren't sure
there's something moving.
593
00:31:00,379 --> 00:31:02,947
But that kind of subtlety
is unfortunately kind of rare
594
00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:04,035
in the genre.
595
00:31:16,482 --> 00:31:18,267
"The Birds" is a monster movie.
596
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:20,965
Hitchcock made a horror movie
a monster movie,
597
00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:24,099
and it's shocking
and horrifying,
598
00:31:24,142 --> 00:31:26,101
particularly in 1963.
599
00:31:28,668 --> 00:31:30,366
Birds diving at children,
600
00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:32,977
so you've got screaming children
601
00:31:33,021 --> 00:31:34,587
being attacked by birds.
602
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,160
What could be
more perfect than that?
603
00:31:41,203 --> 00:31:43,988
Hitchcock went
to visual sequences
604
00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:46,034
again and again and again
in his films.
605
00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:51,300
I think that that's
what made Hitchcock so great.
606
00:31:53,171 --> 00:31:55,043
You'll see Hitchcock films
that don't work,
607
00:31:55,086 --> 00:31:56,696
but you'll very seldom see one
608
00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:00,222
that won't have
some phenomenal shot in it.
609
00:32:00,265 --> 00:32:01,266
Get out! Watch out!
610
00:32:07,707 --> 00:32:09,076
I mean,
I remember the famous scene
611
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:11,885
where Tippy's
in the telephone booth.
612
00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:16,368
And the birds are attacking,
613
00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:19,110
and A happens,
and B happens, and C happens,
614
00:32:19,154 --> 00:32:20,459
and before you know it,
615
00:32:20,503 --> 00:32:22,505
there's this huge,
you know, conflagration
616
00:32:22,548 --> 00:32:24,115
at the gas station.
617
00:32:26,074 --> 00:32:28,772
And then it just pours on
with these bird attacks.
618
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:33,777
Imagine if you were
in a telephone booth
619
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:36,301
surrounded by these birds,
620
00:32:36,345 --> 00:32:37,911
that they're diving at you.
621
00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:42,829
Hitchcock takes you
into a circle of hell
622
00:32:42,873 --> 00:32:45,093
when the whole town is attacked.
623
00:32:49,053 --> 00:32:52,056
And one
of the most memorable scenes
624
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,406
was your watching
through the bird's-eye view.
625
00:32:58,671 --> 00:33:02,197
And you look down to see
this decimated, desolated area.
626
00:33:04,242 --> 00:33:06,766
That is what's called
a visual set piece.
627
00:33:09,595 --> 00:33:11,467
And even though
it's early special effects--
628
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:13,947
obviously they didn't have CGI--
629
00:33:13,991 --> 00:33:14,991
it works.
630
00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:19,779
I think "The Birds"
still holds up today,
631
00:33:19,823 --> 00:33:21,433
and it's scary.
632
00:33:40,931 --> 00:33:42,082
"Mulholland Drive" actually has
633
00:33:42,106 --> 00:33:45,240
one of my favorite taglines.
634
00:33:45,283 --> 00:33:48,330
"A story about love
in the City of Dreams."
635
00:33:48,373 --> 00:33:50,419
Just tells you everything
636
00:33:50,462 --> 00:33:51,982
that you need to know
about that movie.
637
00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:56,990
Living in Los Angeles,
638
00:33:57,034 --> 00:33:58,272
seeing all the people
that live here,
639
00:33:58,296 --> 00:33:59,645
all the characters,
640
00:33:59,689 --> 00:34:02,735
there are so many
cautionary tales like that
641
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:05,956
that you come face-to-face
with all the time.
642
00:34:08,436 --> 00:34:10,307
And he captures it beautifully.
643
00:34:13,789 --> 00:34:16,149
The Winkie's diner scene
at the beginning of the movie,
644
00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:18,447
it doesn't really seem
to have any connection
645
00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:19,796
to the rest of the movie,
646
00:34:19,838 --> 00:34:21,798
but, in a funny way, it does
647
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,278
after you see it
a couple of times.
648
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,539
I just wanted to come here.
649
00:34:26,672 --> 00:34:27,760
To Winkie's?
650
00:34:29,284 --> 00:34:30,633
This Winkie's.
651
00:34:30,675 --> 00:34:31,957
That was the scene
with characters
652
00:34:31,981 --> 00:34:34,157
that we don't know who they are.
653
00:34:34,202 --> 00:34:36,049
And they're in a diner.
We don't know where it is.
654
00:34:36,073 --> 00:34:37,901
Why this Winkie's?
655
00:34:41,731 --> 00:34:43,559
It's kind of embarrassing.
656
00:34:43,602 --> 00:34:45,778
And this all seems like
it's apropos of nothing
657
00:34:45,822 --> 00:34:47,650
and he's talking
about a dream he had...
658
00:34:47,693 --> 00:34:49,521
I had a dream about this place.
659
00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:50,782
Boy.
660
00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:54,526
And that it took place
at the diner
661
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,572
and that they were sitting
across from each other,
662
00:34:56,615 --> 00:34:59,009
talking to each other
like they're doing right now.
663
00:34:59,052 --> 00:35:00,358
There's a man.
664
00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:03,579
In back of this place.
665
00:35:06,625 --> 00:35:08,061
He's the one who's doing it.
666
00:35:08,105 --> 00:35:10,455
And the great thing
about that scene
667
00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:12,718
is the slow burn
that happens before...
668
00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,112
I hope that
I never see that face,
669
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:17,201
ever, outside a dream.
670
00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:19,464
All that conversation
that they have in the diner,
671
00:35:19,508 --> 00:35:21,771
the camera is not static,
672
00:35:21,814 --> 00:35:23,947
and it's not moving
on a dolly or anything.
673
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:26,732
It's just, like,
sort of floating,
674
00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:30,171
up and down and to the sides,
675
00:35:30,214 --> 00:35:32,173
so it already immerses you
676
00:35:32,216 --> 00:35:34,827
in some kind of oneiric state.
677
00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:36,046
Lethargic.
678
00:35:38,657 --> 00:35:40,093
And then they walk out of it,
679
00:35:40,137 --> 00:35:42,661
and something
very special happens,
680
00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:44,837
which is
the camera doesn't stop.
681
00:35:46,839 --> 00:35:48,058
They are walking, of course.
682
00:35:48,101 --> 00:35:49,799
It's justified by them walking.
683
00:35:51,409 --> 00:35:53,281
There's a growing sense
of dread,
684
00:35:53,324 --> 00:35:57,589
and you don't know why
or when it's going to explode.
685
00:35:57,633 --> 00:36:00,940
It's a camera that keeps
moving towards a corner,
686
00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:02,203
and moving, moving forward,
687
00:36:02,246 --> 00:36:04,596
and you know
what's gonna happen.
688
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,337
The worst thing
that a camera can do
689
00:36:06,381 --> 00:36:08,470
is take you to the monster.
690
00:36:09,819 --> 00:36:11,386
And that's exactly what happens.
691
00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,304
And that's it.
Game over.
692
00:36:16,347 --> 00:36:18,195
Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan.
Dan, are you all right?
693
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:20,109
"Mulholland Drive,"
which is just kind of,
694
00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:24,181
you know, moody and creepy
most of the time,
695
00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:26,096
is all of a sudden
696
00:36:26,139 --> 00:36:29,230
the scariest movie
that's ever been made.
697
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:33,538
I feel almost like
that's his statement
698
00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:35,279
on this clichรฉ of,
699
00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:37,150
there's nothing to fear
but fear itself,
700
00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:39,303
and your fears are just that,
and they're just nightmares.
701
00:36:39,327 --> 00:36:42,286
Like, no, sometimes
there's a fucking monster there
702
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:44,114
and you die of fright,
703
00:36:44,157 --> 00:36:47,552
and it's not okay at all.
704
00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:50,033
Silencio.
705
00:36:55,865 --> 00:36:58,650
Hi, I'm Chucky,
706
00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:00,652
and I'm your friend to the end.
707
00:37:00,696 --> 00:37:01,696
Hidey-ho!
708
00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:09,661
"Child's Play"
is a fantastic film.
709
00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:13,317
Nobody believes you
about Chucky.
710
00:37:13,361 --> 00:37:14,927
Unless you start
telling the truth,
711
00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:16,625
they're going
to take you away from me.
712
00:37:18,627 --> 00:37:21,499
I think the moment
that really grabs you
713
00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:22,935
and makes you jump is
714
00:37:22,979 --> 00:37:26,025
when Chucky fully comes online
in front of Mom.
715
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:29,115
Maybe Andy should spend
a couple of days with us.
716
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,292
You have mom
717
00:37:31,335 --> 00:37:35,557
whose kid has now been
whisked away by the officials.
718
00:37:37,428 --> 00:37:42,346
And she comes home distraught,
stressed beyond belief,
719
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:45,131
and you're kind of
tracking her belief system.
720
00:37:46,872 --> 00:37:48,744
And she sets Chucky down,
and she's like,
721
00:37:48,787 --> 00:37:50,789
"Okay,
if I'm gonna believe my kid,
722
00:37:50,833 --> 00:37:53,357
I'm gonna take a whack at this
and try to get Chucky to talk."
723
00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:55,316
Say something, damn it!
724
00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:59,015
Hi! I like to be hugged.
725
00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:03,236
What I love about it is that
726
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,762
she's escalating the tension
with this doll in the moment.
727
00:38:09,808 --> 00:38:14,073
Then she sees that
stupid Good Guy box there,
728
00:38:14,117 --> 00:38:17,033
in the kitchen, and she goes
to throw it away, and...
729
00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,212
The batteries drop out.
730
00:38:22,255 --> 00:38:23,624
The discovery of the batteries
731
00:38:23,648 --> 00:38:26,042
is when things
really become heightened
732
00:38:26,085 --> 00:38:28,436
because now she suspects
something supernatural
733
00:38:28,479 --> 00:38:29,479
is occurring.
734
00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,876
She turns him over, face down,
735
00:38:33,919 --> 00:38:38,315
and she opens the battery box
in the back...
736
00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:40,448
and it's empty.
737
00:38:40,491 --> 00:38:42,319
Hi! I'm Chucky.
738
00:38:42,363 --> 00:38:43,581
Wanna play?
739
00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:50,240
And now the doll
rolls underneath the couch,
740
00:38:50,283 --> 00:38:53,025
which was a very,
very difficult shot to get,
741
00:38:53,069 --> 00:38:55,114
by the way.
742
00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:57,421
It felt like two hours.
I went through hell
743
00:38:57,465 --> 00:38:59,728
trying to get the doll
to fall and roll under.
744
00:39:02,121 --> 00:39:05,168
We put the floor
on an angle like that
745
00:39:05,211 --> 00:39:06,996
and then shot it like this
746
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:08,563
so we could get that moment
747
00:39:08,606 --> 00:39:12,131
when the doll hit
and rolled under the couch.
748
00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:15,091
She drags the doll out.
749
00:39:15,134 --> 00:39:17,006
And she stands up.
750
00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:19,965
And now she's getting
really frustrated.
751
00:39:20,009 --> 00:39:22,359
How is she gonna make this doll
come alive and talk to her?
752
00:39:24,970 --> 00:39:26,319
I said, talk to me, damn it,
753
00:39:26,363 --> 00:39:28,670
or else I'm gonna throw you
in the fire.
754
00:39:28,713 --> 00:39:30,236
You stupid bitch!
755
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,344
You filthy slut!
756
00:39:31,368 --> 00:39:32,543
I'll teach you
757
00:39:32,587 --> 00:39:34,676
to fuck with me!
- No! No!
758
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,329
It's just so bananas, right?
759
00:39:36,373 --> 00:39:37,374
But it's so amazing.
760
00:39:37,418 --> 00:39:39,028
And it's hilarious
761
00:39:39,071 --> 00:39:40,986
to burst into all these curses.
762
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:42,771
No!
763
00:39:44,729 --> 00:39:46,315
Watching that,
I couldn't help think
764
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:49,865
how someone dared
to go for this idea.
765
00:39:49,908 --> 00:39:52,694
Like, a puppet, that
it's just gonna turn diabolic?
766
00:39:52,737 --> 00:39:55,436
But that scene, where really
the whole concept cooks.
767
00:39:57,263 --> 00:39:58,763
I've done so many movies
that seemed like
768
00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:00,223
they were impossible to make.
769
00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:03,487
The question was,
770
00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:06,490
how was I going
to bring the doll alive?
771
00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:07,883
How was I going
772
00:40:07,926 --> 00:40:11,452
to make something
that's about 4-foot tall
773
00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:14,542
seem like it could be murderous?
774
00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:23,507
I had seen
the TV movie of the week
775
00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,857
called "Trilogy of Terror,"
776
00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:28,381
directed by Dan Curtis,
777
00:40:28,425 --> 00:40:31,167
where Karen Black
brings back a Zuni doll.
778
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:33,343
Boy, are you ugly?
779
00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:38,522
And the doll comes alive,
and all of a sudden,
780
00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:40,132
she's trapped in this apartment
781
00:40:40,176 --> 00:40:41,743
with
a foot-and-a-half wooden doll
782
00:40:41,786 --> 00:40:42,826
that's trying to kill her.
783
00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:46,182
What Dan Curtis did,
784
00:40:46,225 --> 00:40:49,446
is he put the camera
on a skateboard.
785
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:52,797
These dynamic shots
of the doll chasing her
786
00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,146
from the doll's point of view.
787
00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:55,887
And then he'd cut to the doll,
788
00:40:55,931 --> 00:40:58,542
and what he'd do is just
shake this dumb wooden doll.
789
00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:02,198
And it was terrifying!
790
00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:05,984
So I knew
791
00:41:06,028 --> 00:41:08,552
when I got into my suspense
and action sequences
792
00:41:08,596 --> 00:41:09,858
with Chucky,
793
00:41:09,901 --> 00:41:12,382
if I'd cut to a point of view,
794
00:41:12,425 --> 00:41:14,210
then I had potential
795
00:41:14,253 --> 00:41:17,518
for a terrifying
action/suspense sequence.
796
00:41:17,561 --> 00:41:18,780
Batter up!
797
00:41:20,216 --> 00:41:21,739
That's why I love it so much.
798
00:41:21,783 --> 00:41:24,133
It just shows so much bravery
from everybody involved
799
00:41:24,176 --> 00:41:26,091
in this concept, in that movie,
800
00:41:26,135 --> 00:41:28,398
from the actor, director,
and everybody on set that day.
801
00:41:28,441 --> 00:41:29,791
They really went for it.
802
00:41:33,446 --> 00:41:34,796
Ugly doll.
803
00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:37,538
Fuck you.
804
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,414
- But Jack...
- What?
805
00:41:44,457 --> 00:41:45,522
Where are we going?
- I don't know.
806
00:41:45,546 --> 00:41:46,459
I'll tell you when we get there.
807
00:41:46,503 --> 00:41:47,722
Okay, 'cause--
808
00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:59,429
I think the scene in
"American Werewolf in London"
809
00:41:59,472 --> 00:42:01,692
that actually is
one of the scariest scenes
810
00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:03,781
is a dream sequence.
811
00:42:03,825 --> 00:42:05,914
You don't really know
it's a dream sequence at first.
812
00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:07,413
Puppetry is an art form, Piggy.
813
00:42:07,437 --> 00:42:08,806
You call that violence art?
814
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:10,309
A wonderful misdirect
815
00:42:10,353 --> 00:42:13,617
because that scene starts
with "The Muppet Show."
816
00:42:13,661 --> 00:42:14,899
It's a good,
aggressive behavior.
817
00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:16,272
Better than my act?
818
00:42:16,315 --> 00:42:18,404
Nothing bad happens
during "The Muppet Show."
819
00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:20,885
"The Muppet Show" isn't scary.
"The Muppet Show" is funny.
820
00:42:20,929 --> 00:42:22,409
Now just...
821
00:42:22,452 --> 00:42:23,821
Your main character,
David Naughton,
822
00:42:23,845 --> 00:42:25,977
is at home with his family,
823
00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:27,346
and it kind of seems
like a normal night,
824
00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:29,372
and he's at the table
doing his homework.
825
00:42:29,415 --> 00:42:30,852
The whole family's here,
826
00:42:30,895 --> 00:42:33,419
and you're kind of thrown off
because you're like,
827
00:42:33,463 --> 00:42:35,378
is this a flashback
or a time jump?
828
00:42:35,421 --> 00:42:37,293
There's our guy.
Here's David.
829
00:42:37,336 --> 00:42:38,816
It's his family.
We haven't met them.
830
00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:40,513
They seem happy.
They can't be.
831
00:42:40,557 --> 00:42:41,732
Something's up.
832
00:42:41,776 --> 00:42:43,168
But "The Muppet Show" is on.
833
00:42:44,735 --> 00:42:47,042
Get the door!
834
00:42:47,085 --> 00:42:48,957
And there's a knock at the door.
835
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,523
I'll get it.
836
00:42:50,567 --> 00:42:52,656
And when the father
goes to the door...
837
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,919
All right, all right.
Hold your horses.
838
00:42:54,963 --> 00:42:55,983
You just don't know
what's behind it.
839
00:42:56,007 --> 00:42:57,574
It's just
this very average door.
840
00:42:58,749 --> 00:43:00,229
All right already!
841
00:43:00,272 --> 00:43:01,685
There's something
about the not knowing
842
00:43:01,709 --> 00:43:03,536
what's on the other side
843
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:04,842
that really gets to me.
844
00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,022
It's these mutated Nazis
845
00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:12,328
with machine guns.
846
00:43:12,371 --> 00:43:14,373
Stop!
847
00:43:14,417 --> 00:43:15,524
There's a moment where, like,
848
00:43:15,548 --> 00:43:17,594
Mom just flies
off the screen entirely.
849
00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:21,748
You see
the children sitting here.
850
00:43:21,772 --> 00:43:22,991
They mow the children down.
851
00:43:26,864 --> 00:43:28,953
It's just, like,
almost needlessly aggressive.
852
00:43:31,782 --> 00:43:33,455
He is
subconsciously working through
853
00:43:33,479 --> 00:43:34,611
what he's about to become.
854
00:43:36,439 --> 00:43:39,660
So, for him,
Nazis represent monsters...
855
00:43:44,055 --> 00:43:46,405
And he is turning
into a monster.
856
00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:48,079
And this the only way
I think his subconscious
857
00:43:48,103 --> 00:43:50,409
can kind of understand
what's happening to him
858
00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:52,344
and this transformation
that's still not there yet
859
00:43:52,368 --> 00:43:53,848
but it's coming.
860
00:43:53,891 --> 00:43:56,328
And it's really poignant.
And it's unique.
861
00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:02,489
And then we snap out of it,
and we're like, thank God.
862
00:44:03,945 --> 00:44:05,555
Hello.
863
00:44:05,598 --> 00:44:08,819
And you see Jenny Agutter
there at the bedside.
864
00:44:08,863 --> 00:44:10,168
That's always comforting.
865
00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:13,215
I've just had a nightmare.
866
00:44:13,258 --> 00:44:15,696
Not to worry.
I have just the thing.
867
00:44:15,739 --> 00:44:17,915
And then she gets up
and pulls the curtain.
868
00:44:20,657 --> 00:44:21,745
Alex!
869
00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:26,184
And then we wake up again.
870
00:44:26,228 --> 00:44:29,797
And then David Naughton
says the one thing
871
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,451
that everyone watching
this movie is thinking,
872
00:44:32,495 --> 00:44:33,626
which is...
873
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:35,759
Holy shit.
874
00:44:35,803 --> 00:44:38,153
And it's just such
a satisfying laugh.
875
00:44:38,196 --> 00:44:40,938
It's the best energy
of, like, horror and comedy,
876
00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:42,679
I think I've ever seen
877
00:44:42,723 --> 00:44:45,116
because the release
is so satisfying.
878
00:44:46,944 --> 00:44:50,643
It was kind of the first
fake-out dream sequence
879
00:44:50,687 --> 00:44:52,776
to be found in horror movies,
880
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:54,125
and that's back in 1981.
881
00:44:57,912 --> 00:45:01,132
Since then, it's been
replicated a number of times,
882
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:03,831
more or less successfully--
usually less--
883
00:45:03,874 --> 00:45:06,616
but nobody expected
that double twist.
884
00:45:08,487 --> 00:45:10,030
I love when a film
does something like that.
885
00:45:10,054 --> 00:45:11,490
I've just had a nightmare.
886
00:45:11,534 --> 00:45:12,990
You can't trust
what happens next.
887
00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,667
You have no idea
888
00:45:14,711 --> 00:45:16,800
if anything you're watching
at any moment
889
00:45:16,844 --> 00:45:19,281
is gonna suddenly be blown out
of the water as a dream
890
00:45:19,324 --> 00:45:22,588
or as a fantasy
or as a hallucination.
891
00:45:22,632 --> 00:45:24,416
It's really fun and unsettling
892
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:25,678
when horror films do that.
893
00:45:25,722 --> 00:45:27,245
Can I have a piece of toast?
894
00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:30,205
Get the fuck outta here, Jack.
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