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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,567 --> 00:00:47,762 I don't know which came first, 2 00:00:47,786 --> 00:00:49,396 my fear of being in the shower 3 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,397 with my eyes closed 4 00:00:50,441 --> 00:00:52,269 or me watching "Psycho." 5 00:00:54,184 --> 00:00:56,055 I remember leaving the theater 6 00:00:56,099 --> 00:00:59,145 and being scared to walk from the theater to my car 7 00:00:59,189 --> 00:01:01,626 because I was scared of Ghostface 8 00:01:01,669 --> 00:01:03,715 and of the world. 9 00:01:03,758 --> 00:01:06,674 Stand clear! 10 00:01:06,718 --> 00:01:08,546 It changed who I was. 11 00:01:08,588 --> 00:01:11,026 Like, I felt my DNA being unwound 12 00:01:11,070 --> 00:01:13,899 and then rewound into something different 13 00:01:13,942 --> 00:01:15,640 at that exact moment. 14 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:19,165 There's something about a jump scare... 15 00:01:21,298 --> 00:01:22,734 And if it's well done, 16 00:01:22,777 --> 00:01:25,215 it affects the entire room. 17 00:01:28,218 --> 00:01:29,412 That was one of the moments that-- 18 00:01:29,436 --> 00:01:31,090 honey, please! 19 00:01:31,134 --> 00:01:33,179 I could not sit through-- 20 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:34,223 I have goosebumps. 21 00:01:37,966 --> 00:01:39,316 When we were filming it, 22 00:01:39,359 --> 00:01:41,709 we had to imagine what was going on. 23 00:01:43,842 --> 00:01:46,105 So when I saw it in the theater, 24 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:48,238 I was like, my God. 25 00:01:48,281 --> 00:01:49,717 It was fantastic. 26 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,677 I think all of us who work in the industry 27 00:01:53,721 --> 00:01:57,594 spend all of our time revisiting these scenes 28 00:01:57,638 --> 00:01:59,901 that have seared their way into our imagination 29 00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:01,338 the first time we ever saw them, 30 00:02:01,381 --> 00:02:03,403 scenes that you see one time and you'll never forget. 31 00:02:03,427 --> 00:02:06,169 We love them. 32 00:02:06,212 --> 00:02:08,432 We discuss them. We dissect them. 33 00:02:08,474 --> 00:02:10,347 We try to understand what makes them work 34 00:02:10,390 --> 00:02:12,305 mechanically and logistically. 35 00:02:17,571 --> 00:02:19,225 But it's something intangible. 36 00:02:19,269 --> 00:02:20,792 It's something emotional. 37 00:02:20,835 --> 00:02:23,621 It's nothing you can kind of cynically recreate. 38 00:02:32,456 --> 00:02:33,979 The beginning of "It Follows" 39 00:02:34,021 --> 00:02:37,287 is one of the best intros to any film. 40 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:39,376 She comes tearing out of her house 41 00:02:39,419 --> 00:02:40,507 in one direction. 42 00:02:40,551 --> 00:02:43,815 We witness just sheer terror 43 00:02:43,858 --> 00:02:45,512 in that young woman. 44 00:02:45,556 --> 00:02:48,602 Hey, are you okay? 45 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:50,561 Yeah. 46 00:02:50,604 --> 00:02:52,040 Is clearly being pursued 47 00:02:52,084 --> 00:02:54,434 by something that she senses 48 00:02:54,478 --> 00:02:57,089 and seems like she can see but we can't. 49 00:02:57,132 --> 00:02:58,569 It's completely unknowable. 50 00:02:58,612 --> 00:03:00,266 It's this completely unknown, 51 00:03:00,310 --> 00:03:01,963 unknowable thing that's coming after her. 52 00:03:05,706 --> 00:03:08,318 From the very beginning, I was like. 53 00:03:08,361 --> 00:03:10,842 Total male gaze, you know? 54 00:03:10,885 --> 00:03:12,235 Why is she running in heels? 55 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:16,021 On rewatching it, I better understand 56 00:03:16,064 --> 00:03:17,370 why she's running in heels, 57 00:03:17,414 --> 00:03:19,677 because she's always running. 58 00:03:22,245 --> 00:03:24,377 That's nothing new about this running. 59 00:03:24,421 --> 00:03:26,466 She's, like, running all the time. 60 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:28,709 Sometimes you just have to run with what you're wearing. 61 00:03:33,299 --> 00:03:35,823 Then that little moment on the beach 62 00:03:35,867 --> 00:03:37,172 where we sort of imagine, like, 63 00:03:37,216 --> 00:03:38,957 this is the girl that we're gonna follow 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,872 for the rest of the film. 65 00:03:41,916 --> 00:03:45,311 Dad? I'm sorry I can be such a shit to you sometimes. 66 00:03:45,355 --> 00:03:47,661 She's plaintively talking to her father. 67 00:03:47,705 --> 00:03:50,055 I don't know why I do that. 68 00:03:50,098 --> 00:03:51,274 All these different things, 69 00:03:51,317 --> 00:03:53,101 that she knows she's gonna die. 70 00:03:53,145 --> 00:03:54,625 It's the tension of it. 71 00:03:54,668 --> 00:03:56,588 The setup for it is just, like, what is going on? 72 00:03:56,627 --> 00:03:58,908 And you don't find out what the thing is until much later. 73 00:04:03,068 --> 00:04:07,333 And then cut to just that insane image 74 00:04:07,377 --> 00:04:10,684 of her clearly dead on the beach. 75 00:04:10,728 --> 00:04:12,817 You don't see the gruesome murder, 76 00:04:12,860 --> 00:04:14,688 but you see the effects of it. 77 00:04:14,732 --> 00:04:16,274 And you see her all contorted on the beach, 78 00:04:16,298 --> 00:04:18,649 and it's like, fuck. 79 00:04:18,692 --> 00:04:20,477 That's a great setup, because now, 80 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,567 you know what this guy's gonna do to you. 81 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:25,351 What these people that are following you 82 00:04:25,395 --> 00:04:26,874 are gonna do to you. 83 00:04:29,877 --> 00:04:31,575 And then the story opens, 84 00:04:31,618 --> 00:04:33,117 you know, where we sort of are introduced 85 00:04:33,141 --> 00:04:35,143 to the main character. 86 00:04:35,187 --> 00:04:36,449 Then the story unfolds 87 00:04:36,493 --> 00:04:38,016 in a pace that we can understand. 88 00:04:41,454 --> 00:04:43,171 There was just so much dread in that film. 89 00:04:43,195 --> 00:04:44,936 It was a really interesting, smart, 90 00:04:44,979 --> 00:04:46,590 like, new kind of genre piece 91 00:04:46,633 --> 00:04:49,375 that I think will always be on the list 92 00:04:49,419 --> 00:04:52,204 of films that did something different with the genre. 93 00:05:02,736 --> 00:05:06,261 "The Orphanage" is wildly elegant, 94 00:05:06,305 --> 00:05:08,133 which is a great tradition in ghost stories. 95 00:05:10,004 --> 00:05:12,398 You know, it feels like a very classical haunter. 96 00:05:13,660 --> 00:05:15,227 It's so powerful, 97 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:18,491 and it's not your typical horror movie. 98 00:05:18,535 --> 00:05:20,058 I know a lot of Americans watch it, 99 00:05:20,101 --> 00:05:22,495 and they think it's terrifying. 100 00:05:24,628 --> 00:05:26,586 But at the same time, it's really beautiful. 101 00:05:29,241 --> 00:05:32,157 And you're in the environment where you're isolated. 102 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,898 You're in an old house. 103 00:05:33,941 --> 00:05:36,553 There's very little electricity. It's dark. 104 00:05:41,732 --> 00:05:42,601 It really can't get better 105 00:05:42,646 --> 00:05:44,387 than a sack on the head. 106 00:05:47,215 --> 00:05:49,479 And a child-- a child ghost with a sack on his head 107 00:05:49,522 --> 00:05:50,480 is just-- kids are creepy. 108 00:05:50,523 --> 00:05:51,872 Kids are naturally creepy, 109 00:05:51,916 --> 00:05:54,353 so ghost kids kind of take that to a new level. 110 00:05:57,008 --> 00:05:59,619 And it has this scene 111 00:05:59,663 --> 00:06:00,943 where Laura, the main character, 112 00:06:00,968 --> 00:06:02,840 she's looking for her son. 113 00:06:02,883 --> 00:06:06,626 She's convinced he's in the orphanage somewhere, 114 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:09,586 and she knows there are these sort of ghost spirits 115 00:06:09,629 --> 00:06:11,892 of children in the orphanage. 116 00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:15,635 And she thinks they can help her. 117 00:06:24,601 --> 00:06:25,993 So she plays this game, 118 00:06:26,037 --> 00:06:29,910 and there's something about a children's game 119 00:06:29,954 --> 00:06:32,043 that makes it really scary. 120 00:06:34,872 --> 00:06:37,004 Playing a children's game with ghosts 121 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:39,616 is very scary. 122 00:06:39,659 --> 00:06:41,966 The game is, you say one, two, three, 123 00:06:42,009 --> 00:06:44,142 knock on the wall while you're looking at the wall, 124 00:06:44,185 --> 00:06:46,666 and then you turn to see if anybody's coming 125 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:48,886 because the first person to get to you wins. 126 00:06:55,849 --> 00:06:57,649 And she looks back, and there's nothing. 127 00:06:57,677 --> 00:06:59,200 And then she starts to do it again, 128 00:06:59,244 --> 00:07:00,506 and there's a noise behind her. 129 00:07:00,550 --> 00:07:01,681 And she looks back, 130 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:02,856 and the door is opened. 131 00:07:10,995 --> 00:07:12,475 And then she does it again... 132 00:07:16,914 --> 00:07:20,483 Turns back, and there's a ghost child. 133 00:07:20,526 --> 00:07:21,806 There's a ghost child behind her. 134 00:07:25,531 --> 00:07:27,664 Normally, that scene, she would throw a look, 135 00:07:27,707 --> 00:07:28,771 and you would cut to what she's looking, 136 00:07:28,795 --> 00:07:30,536 and then go back to her face, 137 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:32,843 throw a look, cut to what she's looking, 138 00:07:32,886 --> 00:07:34,497 but Juan A. does the right thing, 139 00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:36,194 which is decide to stay on one shot 140 00:07:36,237 --> 00:07:37,412 and just, like, pan. 141 00:07:39,980 --> 00:07:41,741 Because when that camera pans in the theater, 142 00:07:41,765 --> 00:07:43,114 there's no way to stop it. 143 00:07:43,157 --> 00:07:44,985 It's gonna go where it's gonna go, 144 00:07:45,029 --> 00:07:47,031 and you know something horrific is gonna show up, 145 00:07:47,074 --> 00:07:48,095 and the kids are gonna be there, 146 00:07:48,119 --> 00:07:49,381 and it's gonna be terrifying. 147 00:07:50,904 --> 00:07:53,428 And eventually, she does it, and then all of a sudden, 148 00:07:53,472 --> 00:07:56,562 a hand grabs her from behind. 149 00:08:02,612 --> 00:08:03,961 All done in one shot. 150 00:08:04,004 --> 00:08:06,964 So brilliant, so scary, 151 00:08:07,007 --> 00:08:10,315 and just a really great horror movie scene. 152 00:08:12,622 --> 00:08:14,077 It's incredible when something so simple 153 00:08:14,101 --> 00:08:15,101 can be so good. 154 00:08:24,416 --> 00:08:26,723 What is he really doing in Salem's Lot? 155 00:08:26,766 --> 00:08:27,961 Writing a book, he says. 156 00:08:30,291 --> 00:08:33,294 I'm writing about a house. 157 00:08:33,337 --> 00:08:34,818 The Marsten House. 158 00:08:35,948 --> 00:08:40,954 I think that an evil house attracts evil men. 159 00:08:44,262 --> 00:08:45,742 "Salem's Lot," 160 00:08:45,785 --> 00:08:49,180 I had my doubts about it because it was television. 161 00:08:49,223 --> 00:08:54,359 And very few horror movies for television in the '70s 162 00:08:54,402 --> 00:08:55,665 were very good 163 00:08:55,708 --> 00:08:57,057 because they weren't really made 164 00:08:57,101 --> 00:08:59,364 by people who cared about the genre. 165 00:08:59,407 --> 00:09:00,607 They weren't genre filmmakers. 166 00:09:03,498 --> 00:09:05,544 In this case, 167 00:09:05,588 --> 00:09:07,764 they brought in Tobe Hooper. 168 00:09:08,765 --> 00:09:11,289 Tobe Hooper was coming off "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" 169 00:09:11,332 --> 00:09:12,551 and "Eaten Alive," 170 00:09:12,595 --> 00:09:14,422 which are gritty, grindhousey-type movies. 171 00:09:17,687 --> 00:09:19,732 And he ended up making this really iconic, 172 00:09:19,776 --> 00:09:21,516 incredible, haunting, 173 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,128 beautiful Stephen King adaptation for "Salem's Lot." 174 00:09:26,086 --> 00:09:29,046 For me, the most iconic scene in that miniseries 175 00:09:29,089 --> 00:09:30,961 was the scene of the boy 176 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:32,919 outside the window, 177 00:09:32,963 --> 00:09:35,400 scratching at the glass, 178 00:09:35,443 --> 00:09:38,359 trying to convince his friend to open the window to him 179 00:09:38,403 --> 00:09:39,403 and let him in. 180 00:09:41,232 --> 00:09:42,494 The kid wakes up. 181 00:09:42,537 --> 00:09:44,148 There's a fog behind the window. 182 00:09:44,191 --> 00:09:45,236 He stands up. 183 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,064 We can't figure out what it is 184 00:09:47,107 --> 00:09:48,108 at the beginning. 185 00:09:50,545 --> 00:09:52,983 And the music was almost like "Jaws." 186 00:09:53,026 --> 00:09:54,375 It was a... โ™ช Dun-dun 187 00:09:54,419 --> 00:09:56,813 โ™ช Dun-dun dun-dun dun-dun dun-dun โ™ช 188 00:09:56,856 --> 00:09:58,510 That was really getting me all worked up. 189 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,472 And then he comes forward, 190 00:10:04,516 --> 00:10:06,474 and it's, like, this kid in the window. 191 00:10:06,518 --> 00:10:07,867 I mean, it's an iconic moment. 192 00:10:09,477 --> 00:10:12,350 Open the window. 193 00:10:12,393 --> 00:10:13,719 That kid's scratching at the window. 194 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:15,483 "Let me in." 195 00:10:15,527 --> 00:10:16,789 Let me in. 196 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:19,226 It's okay, Mark. I'm your friend. 197 00:10:19,270 --> 00:10:21,054 He commands it. 198 00:10:21,098 --> 00:10:22,882 Don't let that kid in, man. 199 00:10:22,926 --> 00:10:25,166 I mean, like, how did they even allow that on television? 200 00:10:26,494 --> 00:10:28,409 What was beautiful about it 201 00:10:28,453 --> 00:10:31,717 and made it very otherworldly and nightmarish, 202 00:10:31,761 --> 00:10:33,893 is that Tobe shot it in slow motion 203 00:10:33,937 --> 00:10:35,939 and in reverse. 204 00:10:35,982 --> 00:10:39,377 And when it played backwards, he moving forwards, 205 00:10:39,420 --> 00:10:42,423 but there's something very foreign and bizarre 206 00:10:42,467 --> 00:10:44,643 and mysterious and scary about it. 207 00:10:46,036 --> 00:10:47,690 Let me in. 208 00:10:47,733 --> 00:10:50,736 But the worst thing of all is the eyes, the lit eyes. 209 00:10:50,780 --> 00:10:52,956 I still don't know how they did it 210 00:10:52,999 --> 00:10:55,915 because it was definitely not the digital era. 211 00:10:55,958 --> 00:10:59,092 I don't think they were optical effects either. 212 00:10:59,136 --> 00:11:01,529 I suspect that they were contact lenses, 213 00:11:01,573 --> 00:11:04,707 that somehow they refracted the distant light. 214 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:06,404 And it's really terrifying. 215 00:11:06,447 --> 00:11:08,362 No, Mark. 216 00:11:08,406 --> 00:11:10,103 I just remember not wanting 217 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:12,845 to fall asleep near a window for a while. 218 00:11:16,631 --> 00:11:18,895 It's a brilliantly conceived scene. 219 00:11:18,938 --> 00:11:20,635 It was very simple to do, 220 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,029 but it took Tobe Hooper to come up with it. 221 00:11:24,291 --> 00:11:25,292 Go away. 222 00:11:34,475 --> 00:11:38,262 The best screen version of "Dracula" 223 00:11:38,305 --> 00:11:43,310 is Hammer Film's 1958, "The Horror of Dracula" 224 00:11:43,354 --> 00:11:44,442 with Christopher Lee. 225 00:11:45,835 --> 00:11:47,967 legendary. 226 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:51,754 The description I read about him, 227 00:11:51,797 --> 00:11:53,016 which was really perfect, was, 228 00:11:53,059 --> 00:11:55,583 "He's a panther." 229 00:11:55,627 --> 00:11:58,978 I mean, he is tall, dangerous... 230 00:12:00,937 --> 00:12:01,981 Scary. 231 00:12:06,681 --> 00:12:08,137 The very first time we see him, 232 00:12:08,161 --> 00:12:10,511 he's in this wide shot at the top of the stairs. 233 00:12:10,555 --> 00:12:11,817 We can just see his silhouette, 234 00:12:11,861 --> 00:12:13,079 which is very impressive. 235 00:12:13,123 --> 00:12:14,733 He's wearing this cape, and he's so tall. 236 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:18,302 And then he comes down those stairs, 237 00:12:18,345 --> 00:12:20,695 and every time he's shot, it's kind of at a low angle, 238 00:12:20,739 --> 00:12:22,499 so that already-- just the camera-- shows you 239 00:12:22,523 --> 00:12:24,110 that there's something a little bit disturbing 240 00:12:24,134 --> 00:12:26,701 about him. - Mr. Harker. 241 00:12:26,745 --> 00:12:29,182 I'm glad that you've arrived safely. 242 00:12:29,226 --> 00:12:31,576 But he's so smooth in the way that he talks, 243 00:12:31,619 --> 00:12:33,099 and so polite, and so nice. 244 00:12:33,143 --> 00:12:34,884 Count Dracula. 245 00:12:34,927 --> 00:12:37,321 I am Dracula, and I welcome you to my house. 246 00:12:37,364 --> 00:12:40,890 He has that duality of he is a very respectable man, 247 00:12:40,933 --> 00:12:42,108 but he is a monster. 248 00:12:42,152 --> 00:12:43,675 Please don't distress yourself. 249 00:12:47,592 --> 00:12:49,159 Thank you. 250 00:12:49,202 --> 00:12:50,682 Thank you. 251 00:12:50,725 --> 00:12:51,877 And I always loved that sequence 252 00:12:51,901 --> 00:12:53,076 where the female vampire 253 00:12:53,119 --> 00:12:56,035 is trying to seduce Jonathan Harker. 254 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:05,740 In your head, you're going, okay, this is it. 255 00:13:05,784 --> 00:13:07,394 He's gonna get bitten. 256 00:13:12,356 --> 00:13:14,358 And then there's that hiss, 257 00:13:14,401 --> 00:13:17,752 and you cut to that magnificent close-up 258 00:13:17,796 --> 00:13:20,103 of Christopher Lee with the blood on his face 259 00:13:20,146 --> 00:13:22,496 and the bloodshot contact lenses. 260 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:24,716 The contrast of going 261 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,981 from the gentleman that we met before-- 262 00:13:29,025 --> 00:13:32,376 it's so feral and so raw, 263 00:13:32,419 --> 00:13:35,553 and there's nothing human about him. 264 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,688 When he hisses and he lunges 265 00:13:40,732 --> 00:13:43,082 and grabs the girl and throws the girl away, 266 00:13:43,126 --> 00:13:46,825 and then the girl looks like this weird, feral cat, 267 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:48,871 where she's got a little bit of blood on her 268 00:13:48,914 --> 00:13:50,089 and she's ready to pounce. 269 00:13:52,091 --> 00:13:53,745 And she keeps going at him. 270 00:13:53,788 --> 00:13:57,227 And Dracula keeps throwing her away. 271 00:13:57,270 --> 00:13:59,272 And then when Harker goes to protect her, 272 00:13:59,316 --> 00:14:00,447 he starts to choke him. 273 00:14:04,277 --> 00:14:06,845 It's such a terrifying scene, 274 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:09,587 but there's so much going on. 275 00:14:12,677 --> 00:14:15,201 And he actually 276 00:14:15,245 --> 00:14:18,944 weirdly saves Jonathan Harker's life 277 00:14:18,988 --> 00:14:21,816 by protecting him from her. 278 00:14:23,993 --> 00:14:25,448 The kids were choking on their popcorn 279 00:14:25,472 --> 00:14:26,952 when we saw this 'cause they-- 280 00:14:26,996 --> 00:14:28,956 we just weren't used to seeing this kind of thing. 281 00:14:30,695 --> 00:14:33,306 Whenever anybody talked about horror movies, 282 00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:35,482 the "Horror of Dracula" was always the top movie 283 00:14:35,526 --> 00:14:38,616 for the next, I don't know, decade, I would say. 284 00:14:38,659 --> 00:14:40,183 There were sequels, there were remakes. 285 00:14:40,226 --> 00:14:41,749 There were other Dracula movies made, 286 00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:44,448 but the impact that that one had, 287 00:14:44,491 --> 00:14:46,145 partly because of when it came out 288 00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:49,409 and partly because of how old everybody was when they saw it, 289 00:14:49,453 --> 00:14:52,021 made it into sort of an instant classic. 290 00:14:55,372 --> 00:14:57,026 The success of those films 291 00:14:57,069 --> 00:14:59,593 inspired filmmakers like Bava. 292 00:14:59,637 --> 00:15:01,077 That inspired the Italian filmmakers. 293 00:15:03,249 --> 00:15:04,816 They wanted to emulate 294 00:15:04,859 --> 00:15:06,949 the success of Hammer Horror films, 295 00:15:06,992 --> 00:15:10,561 so they started doing some of their own horror films, 296 00:15:10,604 --> 00:15:13,607 and that's how we got some of Bava's best work. 297 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:24,270 "Black Sabbath" was a multistory movie. 298 00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:27,534 Ladies and gentlemen, how do you do? 299 00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:28,971 Karloff was the host, 300 00:15:29,014 --> 00:15:31,190 and he had done a whole series of introductions 301 00:15:31,234 --> 00:15:33,366 for the Italian version. 302 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:34,933 But the one that everybody remembers 303 00:15:34,977 --> 00:15:36,717 is the drop of water. 304 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:40,112 In this tale by Chekhov, 305 00:15:40,156 --> 00:15:43,942 "The Drop of Water," 306 00:15:43,986 --> 00:15:48,033 we prove that a ghost doesn't have to be seen 307 00:15:48,077 --> 00:15:49,295 to be believed. 308 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:55,171 It's visually one of the most beautiful pieces of film 309 00:15:55,214 --> 00:15:56,346 that I've seen. 310 00:16:00,393 --> 00:16:02,613 The use of color in it is just remarkable. 311 00:16:04,180 --> 00:16:06,573 In "The Drop of Water," 312 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:10,403 a nurse is called late night because this woman has died, 313 00:16:10,447 --> 00:16:13,058 and she kind of has go kind of declare it dead 314 00:16:13,102 --> 00:16:15,060 and dress the body for the funeral. 315 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:16,757 And she gets there, 316 00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:19,891 and she pulls back these massive bed curtains... 317 00:16:21,197 --> 00:16:25,462 And it is this, like, hideous face of this old woman 318 00:16:25,505 --> 00:16:28,030 just making this absolutely grimacing face. 319 00:16:28,073 --> 00:16:30,206 It's all teeth and big eyes. 320 00:16:32,208 --> 00:16:33,774 Still to this day, 321 00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:36,081 a couple friends of mine and I talk about that. 322 00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:38,518 Like, was that a person? Was it makeup? 323 00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:40,042 Was it a dummy head? 324 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:44,829 The eyes looked so real. 325 00:16:44,872 --> 00:16:47,005 It scared the hell out of me. 326 00:16:48,006 --> 00:16:51,096 There was just something about cutting back to it... 327 00:16:53,751 --> 00:16:57,407 And it was just looking. 328 00:16:57,450 --> 00:17:00,105 We see this fly buzzing around the room. 329 00:17:00,149 --> 00:17:01,933 And I don't mean like a housefly 330 00:17:01,976 --> 00:17:03,302 is buzzing around the room; this thing is like 331 00:17:03,326 --> 00:17:06,242 a horsefly that keeps landing on her. 332 00:17:06,285 --> 00:17:08,983 I mean, ever talks about how scary the old woman is 333 00:17:09,026 --> 00:17:11,073 in this sequence, but seriously, that fly 334 00:17:11,116 --> 00:17:12,223 was the creepiest part to me. 335 00:17:12,247 --> 00:17:13,901 It was just gargantuanly huge. 336 00:17:18,296 --> 00:17:19,820 "The Drop of Water," to me, is 337 00:17:19,863 --> 00:17:21,233 the most special kind of supernatural horror. 338 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:22,954 It really is about being trapped 339 00:17:22,997 --> 00:17:25,696 and really the slow dread 340 00:17:25,738 --> 00:17:28,002 of being confronted by a living corpse... 341 00:17:31,005 --> 00:17:33,085 Who wants what they want, even from beyond the grave. 342 00:17:34,052 --> 00:17:36,054 I love this sequence, because usually, 343 00:17:36,098 --> 00:17:38,274 when you're looking at kind of horror, 344 00:17:38,317 --> 00:17:41,190 and especially female actresses during this time period, 345 00:17:41,233 --> 00:17:43,322 they stay very beautiful throughout. 346 00:17:43,366 --> 00:17:46,891 "Drop of Water," actress has just none of that. 347 00:17:49,415 --> 00:17:51,983 Her hair is messed up, her makeup's all messed up. 348 00:17:52,026 --> 00:17:54,159 She is just thrashed by the end of this. 349 00:17:58,294 --> 00:18:00,774 I recently showed it to a niece of mine, 350 00:18:00,818 --> 00:18:02,863 you know, who was 14 years old. 351 00:18:02,907 --> 00:18:05,170 And I was thinking, you know, 352 00:18:05,214 --> 00:18:07,564 is she gonna think this is as creepy as I do? 353 00:18:07,607 --> 00:18:09,261 And yeah, it really did creep her out. 354 00:18:11,524 --> 00:18:14,440 The eyes, just the staring eyes, 355 00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:15,659 really bothered her. 356 00:18:28,454 --> 00:18:31,544 So "Pulse," or "Kairo," 357 00:18:31,588 --> 00:18:34,243 is a film essentially about the Internet 358 00:18:34,286 --> 00:18:37,724 as this conduit for the dead 359 00:18:37,768 --> 00:18:40,205 to move into our physical world. 360 00:18:46,472 --> 00:18:48,866 If you think about how many people have died 361 00:18:48,909 --> 00:18:51,085 over all of human history, 362 00:18:51,129 --> 00:18:53,087 and then all these spirits have to go somewhere. 363 00:18:53,131 --> 00:18:55,655 And at some point, when it became too full, 364 00:18:55,699 --> 00:18:57,701 they had to spill out back into our world. 365 00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:01,681 "Pulse" takes all of these ghosts 366 00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:03,291 that are running around in Japan and puts them-- 367 00:19:03,315 --> 00:19:05,675 you might say, it turns them into the ghosts in the machine. 368 00:19:06,449 --> 00:19:08,296 Supernatural forces have been trying to take us down 369 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,120 for God knows how long, but they finally found 370 00:19:10,148 --> 00:19:12,388 a way to do it, you know, just with the click of a mouse. 371 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:21,464 The way in which these ghosts make themselves known 372 00:19:21,507 --> 00:19:24,380 is, as one character puts it, trapping characters 373 00:19:24,423 --> 00:19:26,730 in their own loneliness, or their isolation. 374 00:19:30,473 --> 00:19:31,952 Operating on multiple levels, 375 00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:34,303 both the fear of ghosts and the supernatural 376 00:19:34,346 --> 00:19:35,869 but then fear of the technology itself 377 00:19:35,913 --> 00:19:37,567 and what it's doing to society. 378 00:19:42,702 --> 00:19:44,487 When I think of iconic moments 379 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:45,705 and images from "Pulse," 380 00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:48,665 I think black marks on walls. 381 00:19:50,014 --> 00:19:51,450 It's a character 382 00:19:51,494 --> 00:19:54,018 who has been trapped in their loneliness 383 00:19:54,061 --> 00:19:55,802 and either disappears 384 00:19:55,846 --> 00:19:58,327 or they will, you know, actually commit suicide... 385 00:20:00,329 --> 00:20:02,200 And this black mark will 386 00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:04,420 sort of indicate where they killed themselves 387 00:20:04,463 --> 00:20:07,858 or where they ultimately gave into their loneliness. 388 00:20:07,901 --> 00:20:09,642 And I think it could only be made 389 00:20:09,686 --> 00:20:11,035 by Kiyoshi Kurosawa, 390 00:20:11,078 --> 00:20:13,080 who is the master of slow dread-- 391 00:20:13,124 --> 00:20:15,605 like, the utter king of it. 392 00:20:18,085 --> 00:20:19,913 Probably the pinnacle of that 393 00:20:19,957 --> 00:20:21,915 is that long hallway with the ghost. 394 00:20:26,355 --> 00:20:29,836 We see a woman ghost just standing there, 395 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,490 not doing anything. 396 00:20:31,534 --> 00:20:33,884 And then she comes walking to us very slowly. 397 00:20:36,582 --> 00:20:38,038 Then there's a ghost who moves 398 00:20:38,062 --> 00:20:41,326 unlike any other ghost you've ever seen. 399 00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:43,546 There's this way in which it's off-kilter 400 00:20:43,589 --> 00:20:46,940 that adds to this atmosphere of "this is not of this world." 401 00:20:49,378 --> 00:20:51,467 And then she seems to fall, 402 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:55,166 and it was shot at high speed, 403 00:20:55,209 --> 00:21:00,345 so that gives that ethereal sense of movement 404 00:21:00,389 --> 00:21:01,477 that is terrifying. 405 00:21:09,702 --> 00:21:11,487 The simplicity of 406 00:21:11,530 --> 00:21:13,358 this is a thing that should not be here, 407 00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:15,055 and it is coming for you, 408 00:21:15,099 --> 00:21:16,859 and it is moving in a way that you can't process 409 00:21:16,883 --> 00:21:18,470 because you've never seen anything like that before, 410 00:21:18,494 --> 00:21:19,494 is really stunning. 411 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:26,632 This is a film that, like, 412 00:21:26,676 --> 00:21:28,547 I can feel in the pit of my stomach. 413 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:33,073 And for some reason, it's just that absence 414 00:21:33,117 --> 00:21:35,859 where somebody was there, they're not there, 415 00:21:35,902 --> 00:21:37,184 and then sometimes they come back, 416 00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:38,490 you know, as an image, as a ghostly image, 417 00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:40,603 and then it could leave again-- 418 00:21:40,646 --> 00:21:42,039 there's something about that 419 00:21:42,082 --> 00:21:43,321 that maybe it speaks to, again, 420 00:21:43,345 --> 00:21:45,390 this idea in Japanese horror 421 00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:48,306 where this corporeal and the spiritual, 422 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:49,525 that line gets blurred. 423 00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:57,315 You can feel that emptiness 424 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,230 that is sort of the metaphysical level 425 00:21:59,273 --> 00:22:01,145 that Kiyoshi Kurosawa's working on. 426 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:16,943 Is Tamara here? 427 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:18,249 No. 428 00:22:18,292 --> 00:22:19,532 No, you've got the wrong house. 429 00:22:20,469 --> 00:22:21,469 You sure? 430 00:22:23,297 --> 00:22:24,666 I've seen so many horror movies, 431 00:22:24,690 --> 00:22:26,562 I actually don't get scared anymore, 432 00:22:26,605 --> 00:22:29,086 but "The Strangers" is extremely effective... 433 00:22:31,001 --> 00:22:33,395 Possibly because I'm not expecting 434 00:22:33,438 --> 00:22:35,438 somebody in a doll face mask to show up at my door. 435 00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:39,444 The home invasion angle of that 436 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:41,794 has a very realistic edge to it, 437 00:22:41,838 --> 00:22:44,406 and they were actually based on real-life crimes. 438 00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:49,280 That kind of just affects you in a way 439 00:22:49,323 --> 00:22:51,978 that, yes, you're home alone, 440 00:22:52,022 --> 00:22:53,862 there could be somebody in your house with you, 441 00:22:53,893 --> 00:22:56,156 and you don't know where they are or what they're doing. 442 00:22:58,898 --> 00:23:00,528 They're just everywhere in the house, 443 00:23:00,552 --> 00:23:03,120 but you don't know where they are. 444 00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,513 And that's really freaky. 445 00:23:07,994 --> 00:23:09,518 Liv Tyler's in the kitchen, 446 00:23:09,561 --> 00:23:11,476 and then he wanders out and just stares at her, 447 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,434 and, again, doesn't do anything. 448 00:23:12,477 --> 00:23:13,826 It's that agony of, 449 00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:15,175 well, he's not gonna do it now 450 00:23:15,219 --> 00:23:16,457 and you're just gonna have to wait, 451 00:23:16,481 --> 00:23:17,641 knowing that it's gonna come. 452 00:23:21,878 --> 00:23:23,508 The fact that the person comes into frame 453 00:23:23,532 --> 00:23:25,142 and then slowly goes back out-- 454 00:23:25,185 --> 00:23:28,362 if she saw that person behind her in that moment, 455 00:23:28,406 --> 00:23:30,036 that changes the whole dynamic of the scene 456 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:32,279 and what we're actually experiencing as an audience. 457 00:23:32,323 --> 00:23:33,498 James? 458 00:23:33,542 --> 00:23:35,195 As an audience member, 459 00:23:35,239 --> 00:23:38,155 now you are a step ahead of where our characters are 460 00:23:38,198 --> 00:23:40,198 and what they're experiencing, what they're living. 461 00:23:43,073 --> 00:23:45,249 The tension is now ratcheted up to a ten. 462 00:23:47,077 --> 00:23:48,774 It just keeps you on edge 463 00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:50,098 for the entire rest of the movie. 464 00:23:54,998 --> 00:23:56,521 Block the door. Block the door! 465 00:23:56,565 --> 00:23:58,064 And then you get to maybe the scariest moment, 466 00:23:58,088 --> 00:23:59,698 which isn't even a moment of violence. 467 00:24:04,529 --> 00:24:06,226 It's a piece of dialogue, right? 468 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:07,663 It's when she says... 469 00:24:07,706 --> 00:24:09,839 Why are you doing this to us? 470 00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:14,104 Because you were home. 471 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,938 It's the one answer no one ever wants to hear, 472 00:24:21,981 --> 00:24:23,113 is "because you were home." 473 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:27,247 That's, like, the one part of the movie 474 00:24:27,291 --> 00:24:29,772 where no matter what has happened up until then, 475 00:24:29,815 --> 00:24:32,165 you now have goosebumps 476 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:34,951 and you are terrified to your core. 477 00:24:37,214 --> 00:24:39,564 A lot of movies don't have 478 00:24:39,608 --> 00:24:41,566 the wherewithal to stick to that. 479 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:43,263 They want to find the "reason," 480 00:24:43,307 --> 00:24:44,743 the "backstory," or the "mythology." 481 00:24:48,834 --> 00:24:50,986 And I think "The Strangers" really sticking to the idea 482 00:24:51,010 --> 00:24:53,752 that is just random and cruel and violent 483 00:24:53,796 --> 00:24:55,493 hammers home what's so compelling 484 00:24:55,537 --> 00:24:57,818 about home invasion, which is that it could happen to you. 485 00:25:11,204 --> 00:25:12,554 There's a marked difference 486 00:25:12,597 --> 00:25:13,997 between the horror films of the '40s 487 00:25:14,033 --> 00:25:15,774 and the horror films of the '30s: 488 00:25:15,818 --> 00:25:17,471 it came out of Universal Studios. 489 00:25:19,996 --> 00:25:22,694 Out of that bunch, there were some classics, 490 00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:24,435 "The Wolf Man" being the one 491 00:25:24,478 --> 00:25:27,177 that immediately leaps to mind. 492 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:29,919 "The Wolf Man" is one of those situations 493 00:25:29,962 --> 00:25:33,792 where everything just happened to work out perfectly. 494 00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,533 Well, there's something very tragic 495 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:36,969 about that man. 496 00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:39,102 Why does everyone insist that I'm confused? 497 00:25:39,145 --> 00:25:41,191 "The Wolf Man" was 498 00:25:41,234 --> 00:25:44,368 one of the first horror films that I ever saw. 499 00:25:44,411 --> 00:25:47,197 "The Wolf Man" grabbed me 500 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,721 and dragged me 501 00:25:49,765 --> 00:25:52,245 into the love affair 502 00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:54,508 that has continued to this day with horror. 503 00:25:56,467 --> 00:25:59,078 Lon Chaney Jr. was someone 504 00:25:59,122 --> 00:26:02,821 that I just felt an instant empathy towards as a kid, 505 00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:04,475 and I still do as an adult. 506 00:26:04,518 --> 00:26:06,235 The performance that he gives as Larry Talbot 507 00:26:06,259 --> 00:26:09,915 is just so vulnerable and sad and beautiful. 508 00:26:13,049 --> 00:26:14,200 It's interesting when you look 509 00:26:14,224 --> 00:26:15,834 at the transformation sequence again 510 00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:19,229 from the first "Wolf Man," is it happens on the feet. 511 00:26:19,272 --> 00:26:21,057 You're aware of what's about to happen, 512 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,625 and then it tilts down, and then the feet change. 513 00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:28,020 You never see him transform in the first movie. 514 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:29,979 You see him transform back at the end. 515 00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:34,940 I always was-- and still to this day-- 516 00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:36,855 fascinated with that makeup 517 00:26:36,899 --> 00:26:38,814 because the makeup changes from film to film. 518 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:43,557 The makeup is just insane. 519 00:26:45,647 --> 00:26:47,039 That is the iconic moment to me, 520 00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:48,867 watching Lon Chaney Jr. 521 00:26:48,911 --> 00:26:52,218 transform into the wolf the first time 522 00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:53,785 and seeing his face go through that. 523 00:26:57,876 --> 00:27:01,358 The way Talbot turns into the wolf man, 524 00:27:01,401 --> 00:27:03,708 that shit-- I mean, that-- 525 00:27:03,752 --> 00:27:06,537 it's still one of my favorite cinematic moments, 526 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:09,018 just watching those layers come on. 527 00:27:15,241 --> 00:27:16,721 The idea that Jack Pierce 528 00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:18,897 had to go into the stage 529 00:27:18,941 --> 00:27:21,639 and all his stuff was probably right there off-camera, 530 00:27:21,683 --> 00:27:23,467 and here's the camera, and he would go in, 531 00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:25,382 work a little bit, step away. 532 00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:28,254 It would take six hours or seven hours 533 00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:29,908 to do that transformation. 534 00:27:31,823 --> 00:27:33,975 There have been so many legendary makeup artists 535 00:27:33,999 --> 00:27:36,741 in the history of cinema and horror cinema, 536 00:27:36,785 --> 00:27:38,264 but you think about that film 537 00:27:38,308 --> 00:27:40,702 and the way that it kind of paved a path 538 00:27:40,745 --> 00:27:42,268 for generations to come. 539 00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:07,337 American horror films in the '30s and '40s, 540 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:10,949 people immediately go to Universal Studios. 541 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:16,433 But there was a whole other horror factory at that time, 542 00:28:16,476 --> 00:28:18,914 in Hollywood, at RKO studios, 543 00:28:18,957 --> 00:28:22,004 under the supervision of Val Lewton. 544 00:28:22,047 --> 00:28:26,356 He had a series of studio executives that hated him 545 00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:28,967 because he refused to do what they wanted. 546 00:28:30,621 --> 00:28:32,101 They gave him "Cat People," 547 00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,885 and they wanted "The Wolf Man" with a cat, 548 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:35,495 which was a terrible idea. 549 00:28:37,367 --> 00:28:39,567 You wake up and go, "My God, what happened to the yarn?" 550 00:28:43,242 --> 00:28:45,114 But he would, almost to spite them, 551 00:28:45,157 --> 00:28:47,899 create these really brilliant, intelligent, 552 00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:49,596 intellectual, psychological dramas. 553 00:28:55,211 --> 00:28:56,651 The idea of "Cat People" is that 554 00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:58,954 when the heroine is aroused, she turns into an animal. 555 00:29:05,351 --> 00:29:07,266 That was a moderately risky premise 556 00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:10,182 for a movie in 1942. 557 00:29:10,226 --> 00:29:12,358 And the ads for "Cat People" are so lurid. 558 00:29:12,402 --> 00:29:14,362 I mean, they've got these pictures of Simone Simon 559 00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:16,275 with, like, horrible hands and claws 560 00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,451 and drippy stuff coming out on all the artwork, 561 00:29:18,495 --> 00:29:20,105 none of which is in the movie. 562 00:29:28,418 --> 00:29:29,656 There's a scene in "Cat People" 563 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,160 where the second lead actress, 564 00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:34,380 who is competing with Simone Simon's husband 565 00:29:34,424 --> 00:29:35,599 for affection 566 00:29:35,642 --> 00:29:37,035 but is very much on the up and up 567 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,473 and is obviously supposed to be someone we like, 568 00:29:40,517 --> 00:29:44,477 goes for a swim in what looks like a YMCA pool. 569 00:29:47,654 --> 00:29:50,005 She hears growling. 570 00:29:50,048 --> 00:29:52,616 She sees something in the shadows 571 00:29:52,659 --> 00:29:54,574 coming down the stairs, 572 00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:57,055 and that's the only way in and out of that pool area. 573 00:29:59,928 --> 00:30:01,843 So the only thing she can think of doing 574 00:30:01,886 --> 00:30:03,540 is jumping in the middle of the pool, 575 00:30:03,583 --> 00:30:06,064 which puts her in a vulnerable position 576 00:30:06,108 --> 00:30:08,893 because what if that creature can swim, 577 00:30:08,937 --> 00:30:11,591 you know, and it jumps in there and claws your face off? 578 00:30:14,725 --> 00:30:18,120 And there's also a brief glimpse 579 00:30:18,163 --> 00:30:19,904 of what could be a panther. 580 00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:21,645 You're never quite sure exactly what it is 581 00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:22,689 that you see. 582 00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:26,215 What the audience can imagine 583 00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:28,434 can sometimes be scarier and more terrifying 584 00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:29,783 than what you can show them. 585 00:30:33,613 --> 00:30:35,485 Something's in the dark that you can't see, 586 00:30:35,528 --> 00:30:36,921 but you know it can see you. 587 00:30:40,664 --> 00:30:42,231 Help! 588 00:30:45,408 --> 00:30:47,366 Help! 589 00:30:47,410 --> 00:30:50,021 Some of the most effective moments in horror films 590 00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:52,981 are moments where the audience thinks it's seeing something 591 00:30:53,024 --> 00:30:54,939 or has barely gotten a glimpse of something 592 00:30:54,983 --> 00:30:56,680 and aren't sure there's something moving. 593 00:31:00,379 --> 00:31:02,947 But that kind of subtlety is unfortunately kind of rare 594 00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:04,035 in the genre. 595 00:31:16,482 --> 00:31:18,267 "The Birds" is a monster movie. 596 00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:20,965 Hitchcock made a horror movie a monster movie, 597 00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:24,099 and it's shocking and horrifying, 598 00:31:24,142 --> 00:31:26,101 particularly in 1963. 599 00:31:28,668 --> 00:31:30,366 Birds diving at children, 600 00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:32,977 so you've got screaming children 601 00:31:33,021 --> 00:31:34,587 being attacked by birds. 602 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,160 What could be more perfect than that? 603 00:31:41,203 --> 00:31:43,988 Hitchcock went to visual sequences 604 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:46,034 again and again and again in his films. 605 00:31:49,037 --> 00:31:51,300 I think that that's what made Hitchcock so great. 606 00:31:53,171 --> 00:31:55,043 You'll see Hitchcock films that don't work, 607 00:31:55,086 --> 00:31:56,696 but you'll very seldom see one 608 00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:00,222 that won't have some phenomenal shot in it. 609 00:32:00,265 --> 00:32:01,266 Get out! Watch out! 610 00:32:07,707 --> 00:32:09,076 I mean, I remember the famous scene 611 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:11,885 where Tippy's in the telephone booth. 612 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:16,368 And the birds are attacking, 613 00:32:16,412 --> 00:32:19,110 and A happens, and B happens, and C happens, 614 00:32:19,154 --> 00:32:20,459 and before you know it, 615 00:32:20,503 --> 00:32:22,505 there's this huge, you know, conflagration 616 00:32:22,548 --> 00:32:24,115 at the gas station. 617 00:32:26,074 --> 00:32:28,772 And then it just pours on with these bird attacks. 618 00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:33,777 Imagine if you were in a telephone booth 619 00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:36,301 surrounded by these birds, 620 00:32:36,345 --> 00:32:37,911 that they're diving at you. 621 00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:42,829 Hitchcock takes you into a circle of hell 622 00:32:42,873 --> 00:32:45,093 when the whole town is attacked. 623 00:32:49,053 --> 00:32:52,056 And one of the most memorable scenes 624 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,406 was your watching through the bird's-eye view. 625 00:32:58,671 --> 00:33:02,197 And you look down to see this decimated, desolated area. 626 00:33:04,242 --> 00:33:06,766 That is what's called a visual set piece. 627 00:33:09,595 --> 00:33:11,467 And even though it's early special effects-- 628 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:13,947 obviously they didn't have CGI-- 629 00:33:13,991 --> 00:33:14,991 it works. 630 00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:19,779 I think "The Birds" still holds up today, 631 00:33:19,823 --> 00:33:21,433 and it's scary. 632 00:33:40,931 --> 00:33:42,082 "Mulholland Drive" actually has 633 00:33:42,106 --> 00:33:45,240 one of my favorite taglines. 634 00:33:45,283 --> 00:33:48,330 "A story about love in the City of Dreams." 635 00:33:48,373 --> 00:33:50,419 Just tells you everything 636 00:33:50,462 --> 00:33:51,982 that you need to know about that movie. 637 00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:56,990 Living in Los Angeles, 638 00:33:57,034 --> 00:33:58,272 seeing all the people that live here, 639 00:33:58,296 --> 00:33:59,645 all the characters, 640 00:33:59,689 --> 00:34:02,735 there are so many cautionary tales like that 641 00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:05,956 that you come face-to-face with all the time. 642 00:34:08,436 --> 00:34:10,307 And he captures it beautifully. 643 00:34:13,789 --> 00:34:16,149 The Winkie's diner scene at the beginning of the movie, 644 00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:18,447 it doesn't really seem to have any connection 645 00:34:18,490 --> 00:34:19,796 to the rest of the movie, 646 00:34:19,838 --> 00:34:21,798 but, in a funny way, it does 647 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,278 after you see it a couple of times. 648 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,539 I just wanted to come here. 649 00:34:26,672 --> 00:34:27,760 To Winkie's? 650 00:34:29,284 --> 00:34:30,633 This Winkie's. 651 00:34:30,675 --> 00:34:31,957 That was the scene with characters 652 00:34:31,981 --> 00:34:34,157 that we don't know who they are. 653 00:34:34,202 --> 00:34:36,049 And they're in a diner. We don't know where it is. 654 00:34:36,073 --> 00:34:37,901 Why this Winkie's? 655 00:34:41,731 --> 00:34:43,559 It's kind of embarrassing. 656 00:34:43,602 --> 00:34:45,778 And this all seems like it's apropos of nothing 657 00:34:45,822 --> 00:34:47,650 and he's talking about a dream he had... 658 00:34:47,693 --> 00:34:49,521 I had a dream about this place. 659 00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:50,782 Boy. 660 00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:54,526 And that it took place at the diner 661 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,572 and that they were sitting across from each other, 662 00:34:56,615 --> 00:34:59,009 talking to each other like they're doing right now. 663 00:34:59,052 --> 00:35:00,358 There's a man. 664 00:35:02,099 --> 00:35:03,579 In back of this place. 665 00:35:06,625 --> 00:35:08,061 He's the one who's doing it. 666 00:35:08,105 --> 00:35:10,455 And the great thing about that scene 667 00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:12,718 is the slow burn that happens before... 668 00:35:12,762 --> 00:35:15,112 I hope that I never see that face, 669 00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:17,201 ever, outside a dream. 670 00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:19,464 All that conversation that they have in the diner, 671 00:35:19,508 --> 00:35:21,771 the camera is not static, 672 00:35:21,814 --> 00:35:23,947 and it's not moving on a dolly or anything. 673 00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:26,732 It's just, like, sort of floating, 674 00:35:26,776 --> 00:35:30,171 up and down and to the sides, 675 00:35:30,214 --> 00:35:32,173 so it already immerses you 676 00:35:32,216 --> 00:35:34,827 in some kind of oneiric state. 677 00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:36,046 Lethargic. 678 00:35:38,657 --> 00:35:40,093 And then they walk out of it, 679 00:35:40,137 --> 00:35:42,661 and something very special happens, 680 00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:44,837 which is the camera doesn't stop. 681 00:35:46,839 --> 00:35:48,058 They are walking, of course. 682 00:35:48,101 --> 00:35:49,799 It's justified by them walking. 683 00:35:51,409 --> 00:35:53,281 There's a growing sense of dread, 684 00:35:53,324 --> 00:35:57,589 and you don't know why or when it's going to explode. 685 00:35:57,633 --> 00:36:00,940 It's a camera that keeps moving towards a corner, 686 00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:02,203 and moving, moving forward, 687 00:36:02,246 --> 00:36:04,596 and you know what's gonna happen. 688 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,337 The worst thing that a camera can do 689 00:36:06,381 --> 00:36:08,470 is take you to the monster. 690 00:36:09,819 --> 00:36:11,386 And that's exactly what happens. 691 00:36:14,606 --> 00:36:16,304 And that's it. Game over. 692 00:36:16,347 --> 00:36:18,195 Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. Dan, are you all right? 693 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:20,109 "Mulholland Drive," which is just kind of, 694 00:36:20,133 --> 00:36:24,181 you know, moody and creepy most of the time, 695 00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:26,096 is all of a sudden 696 00:36:26,139 --> 00:36:29,230 the scariest movie that's ever been made. 697 00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:33,538 I feel almost like that's his statement 698 00:36:33,582 --> 00:36:35,279 on this clichรฉ of, 699 00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:37,150 there's nothing to fear but fear itself, 700 00:36:37,194 --> 00:36:39,303 and your fears are just that, and they're just nightmares. 701 00:36:39,327 --> 00:36:42,286 Like, no, sometimes there's a fucking monster there 702 00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:44,114 and you die of fright, 703 00:36:44,157 --> 00:36:47,552 and it's not okay at all. 704 00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:50,033 Silencio. 705 00:36:55,865 --> 00:36:58,650 Hi, I'm Chucky, 706 00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:00,652 and I'm your friend to the end. 707 00:37:00,696 --> 00:37:01,696 Hidey-ho! 708 00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:09,661 "Child's Play" is a fantastic film. 709 00:37:09,705 --> 00:37:13,317 Nobody believes you about Chucky. 710 00:37:13,361 --> 00:37:14,927 Unless you start telling the truth, 711 00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:16,625 they're going to take you away from me. 712 00:37:18,627 --> 00:37:21,499 I think the moment that really grabs you 713 00:37:21,543 --> 00:37:22,935 and makes you jump is 714 00:37:22,979 --> 00:37:26,025 when Chucky fully comes online in front of Mom. 715 00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:29,115 Maybe Andy should spend a couple of days with us. 716 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,292 You have mom 717 00:37:31,335 --> 00:37:35,557 whose kid has now been whisked away by the officials. 718 00:37:37,428 --> 00:37:42,346 And she comes home distraught, stressed beyond belief, 719 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:45,131 and you're kind of tracking her belief system. 720 00:37:46,872 --> 00:37:48,744 And she sets Chucky down, and she's like, 721 00:37:48,787 --> 00:37:50,789 "Okay, if I'm gonna believe my kid, 722 00:37:50,833 --> 00:37:53,357 I'm gonna take a whack at this and try to get Chucky to talk." 723 00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:55,316 Say something, damn it! 724 00:37:56,578 --> 00:37:59,015 Hi! I like to be hugged. 725 00:38:00,669 --> 00:38:03,236 What I love about it is that 726 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,762 she's escalating the tension with this doll in the moment. 727 00:38:09,808 --> 00:38:14,073 Then she sees that stupid Good Guy box there, 728 00:38:14,117 --> 00:38:17,033 in the kitchen, and she goes to throw it away, and... 729 00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,212 The batteries drop out. 730 00:38:22,255 --> 00:38:23,624 The discovery of the batteries 731 00:38:23,648 --> 00:38:26,042 is when things really become heightened 732 00:38:26,085 --> 00:38:28,436 because now she suspects something supernatural 733 00:38:28,479 --> 00:38:29,479 is occurring. 734 00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,876 She turns him over, face down, 735 00:38:33,919 --> 00:38:38,315 and she opens the battery box in the back... 736 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:40,448 and it's empty. 737 00:38:40,491 --> 00:38:42,319 Hi! I'm Chucky. 738 00:38:42,363 --> 00:38:43,581 Wanna play? 739 00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:50,240 And now the doll rolls underneath the couch, 740 00:38:50,283 --> 00:38:53,025 which was a very, very difficult shot to get, 741 00:38:53,069 --> 00:38:55,114 by the way. 742 00:38:55,158 --> 00:38:57,421 It felt like two hours. I went through hell 743 00:38:57,465 --> 00:38:59,728 trying to get the doll to fall and roll under. 744 00:39:02,121 --> 00:39:05,168 We put the floor on an angle like that 745 00:39:05,211 --> 00:39:06,996 and then shot it like this 746 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:08,563 so we could get that moment 747 00:39:08,606 --> 00:39:12,131 when the doll hit and rolled under the couch. 748 00:39:12,175 --> 00:39:15,091 She drags the doll out. 749 00:39:15,134 --> 00:39:17,006 And she stands up. 750 00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:19,965 And now she's getting really frustrated. 751 00:39:20,009 --> 00:39:22,359 How is she gonna make this doll come alive and talk to her? 752 00:39:24,970 --> 00:39:26,319 I said, talk to me, damn it, 753 00:39:26,363 --> 00:39:28,670 or else I'm gonna throw you in the fire. 754 00:39:28,713 --> 00:39:30,236 You stupid bitch! 755 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,344 You filthy slut! 756 00:39:31,368 --> 00:39:32,543 I'll teach you 757 00:39:32,587 --> 00:39:34,676 to fuck with me! - No! No! 758 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,329 It's just so bananas, right? 759 00:39:36,373 --> 00:39:37,374 But it's so amazing. 760 00:39:37,418 --> 00:39:39,028 And it's hilarious 761 00:39:39,071 --> 00:39:40,986 to burst into all these curses. 762 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:42,771 No! 763 00:39:44,729 --> 00:39:46,315 Watching that, I couldn't help think 764 00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:49,865 how someone dared to go for this idea. 765 00:39:49,908 --> 00:39:52,694 Like, a puppet, that it's just gonna turn diabolic? 766 00:39:52,737 --> 00:39:55,436 But that scene, where really the whole concept cooks. 767 00:39:57,263 --> 00:39:58,763 I've done so many movies that seemed like 768 00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:00,223 they were impossible to make. 769 00:40:01,833 --> 00:40:03,487 The question was, 770 00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:06,490 how was I going to bring the doll alive? 771 00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:07,883 How was I going 772 00:40:07,926 --> 00:40:11,452 to make something that's about 4-foot tall 773 00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:14,542 seem like it could be murderous? 774 00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:23,507 I had seen the TV movie of the week 775 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,857 called "Trilogy of Terror," 776 00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:28,381 directed by Dan Curtis, 777 00:40:28,425 --> 00:40:31,167 where Karen Black brings back a Zuni doll. 778 00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:33,343 Boy, are you ugly? 779 00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:38,522 And the doll comes alive, and all of a sudden, 780 00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:40,132 she's trapped in this apartment 781 00:40:40,176 --> 00:40:41,743 with a foot-and-a-half wooden doll 782 00:40:41,786 --> 00:40:42,826 that's trying to kill her. 783 00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:46,182 What Dan Curtis did, 784 00:40:46,225 --> 00:40:49,446 is he put the camera on a skateboard. 785 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:52,797 These dynamic shots of the doll chasing her 786 00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,146 from the doll's point of view. 787 00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:55,887 And then he'd cut to the doll, 788 00:40:55,931 --> 00:40:58,542 and what he'd do is just shake this dumb wooden doll. 789 00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:02,198 And it was terrifying! 790 00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:05,984 So I knew 791 00:41:06,028 --> 00:41:08,552 when I got into my suspense and action sequences 792 00:41:08,596 --> 00:41:09,858 with Chucky, 793 00:41:09,901 --> 00:41:12,382 if I'd cut to a point of view, 794 00:41:12,425 --> 00:41:14,210 then I had potential 795 00:41:14,253 --> 00:41:17,518 for a terrifying action/suspense sequence. 796 00:41:17,561 --> 00:41:18,780 Batter up! 797 00:41:20,216 --> 00:41:21,739 That's why I love it so much. 798 00:41:21,783 --> 00:41:24,133 It just shows so much bravery from everybody involved 799 00:41:24,176 --> 00:41:26,091 in this concept, in that movie, 800 00:41:26,135 --> 00:41:28,398 from the actor, director, and everybody on set that day. 801 00:41:28,441 --> 00:41:29,791 They really went for it. 802 00:41:33,446 --> 00:41:34,796 Ugly doll. 803 00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:37,538 Fuck you. 804 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,414 - But Jack... - What? 805 00:41:44,457 --> 00:41:45,522 Where are we going? - I don't know. 806 00:41:45,546 --> 00:41:46,459 I'll tell you when we get there. 807 00:41:46,503 --> 00:41:47,722 Okay, 'cause-- 808 00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:59,429 I think the scene in "American Werewolf in London" 809 00:41:59,472 --> 00:42:01,692 that actually is one of the scariest scenes 810 00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:03,781 is a dream sequence. 811 00:42:03,825 --> 00:42:05,914 You don't really know it's a dream sequence at first. 812 00:42:05,957 --> 00:42:07,413 Puppetry is an art form, Piggy. 813 00:42:07,437 --> 00:42:08,806 You call that violence art? 814 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:10,309 A wonderful misdirect 815 00:42:10,353 --> 00:42:13,617 because that scene starts with "The Muppet Show." 816 00:42:13,661 --> 00:42:14,899 It's a good, aggressive behavior. 817 00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:16,272 Better than my act? 818 00:42:16,315 --> 00:42:18,404 Nothing bad happens during "The Muppet Show." 819 00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:20,885 "The Muppet Show" isn't scary. "The Muppet Show" is funny. 820 00:42:20,929 --> 00:42:22,409 Now just... 821 00:42:22,452 --> 00:42:23,821 Your main character, David Naughton, 822 00:42:23,845 --> 00:42:25,977 is at home with his family, 823 00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:27,346 and it kind of seems like a normal night, 824 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:29,372 and he's at the table doing his homework. 825 00:42:29,415 --> 00:42:30,852 The whole family's here, 826 00:42:30,895 --> 00:42:33,419 and you're kind of thrown off because you're like, 827 00:42:33,463 --> 00:42:35,378 is this a flashback or a time jump? 828 00:42:35,421 --> 00:42:37,293 There's our guy. Here's David. 829 00:42:37,336 --> 00:42:38,816 It's his family. We haven't met them. 830 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:40,513 They seem happy. They can't be. 831 00:42:40,557 --> 00:42:41,732 Something's up. 832 00:42:41,776 --> 00:42:43,168 But "The Muppet Show" is on. 833 00:42:44,735 --> 00:42:47,042 Get the door! 834 00:42:47,085 --> 00:42:48,957 And there's a knock at the door. 835 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,523 I'll get it. 836 00:42:50,567 --> 00:42:52,656 And when the father goes to the door... 837 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,919 All right, all right. Hold your horses. 838 00:42:54,963 --> 00:42:55,983 You just don't know what's behind it. 839 00:42:56,007 --> 00:42:57,574 It's just this very average door. 840 00:42:58,749 --> 00:43:00,229 All right already! 841 00:43:00,272 --> 00:43:01,685 There's something about the not knowing 842 00:43:01,709 --> 00:43:03,536 what's on the other side 843 00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:04,842 that really gets to me. 844 00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,022 It's these mutated Nazis 845 00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:12,328 with machine guns. 846 00:43:12,371 --> 00:43:14,373 Stop! 847 00:43:14,417 --> 00:43:15,524 There's a moment where, like, 848 00:43:15,548 --> 00:43:17,594 Mom just flies off the screen entirely. 849 00:43:20,641 --> 00:43:21,748 You see the children sitting here. 850 00:43:21,772 --> 00:43:22,991 They mow the children down. 851 00:43:26,864 --> 00:43:28,953 It's just, like, almost needlessly aggressive. 852 00:43:31,782 --> 00:43:33,455 He is subconsciously working through 853 00:43:33,479 --> 00:43:34,611 what he's about to become. 854 00:43:36,439 --> 00:43:39,660 So, for him, Nazis represent monsters... 855 00:43:44,055 --> 00:43:46,405 And he is turning into a monster. 856 00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:48,079 And this the only way I think his subconscious 857 00:43:48,103 --> 00:43:50,409 can kind of understand what's happening to him 858 00:43:50,453 --> 00:43:52,344 and this transformation that's still not there yet 859 00:43:52,368 --> 00:43:53,848 but it's coming. 860 00:43:53,891 --> 00:43:56,328 And it's really poignant. And it's unique. 861 00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:02,489 And then we snap out of it, and we're like, thank God. 862 00:44:03,945 --> 00:44:05,555 Hello. 863 00:44:05,598 --> 00:44:08,819 And you see Jenny Agutter there at the bedside. 864 00:44:08,863 --> 00:44:10,168 That's always comforting. 865 00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:13,215 I've just had a nightmare. 866 00:44:13,258 --> 00:44:15,696 Not to worry. I have just the thing. 867 00:44:15,739 --> 00:44:17,915 And then she gets up and pulls the curtain. 868 00:44:20,657 --> 00:44:21,745 Alex! 869 00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:26,184 And then we wake up again. 870 00:44:26,228 --> 00:44:29,797 And then David Naughton says the one thing 871 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,451 that everyone watching this movie is thinking, 872 00:44:32,495 --> 00:44:33,626 which is... 873 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:35,759 Holy shit. 874 00:44:35,803 --> 00:44:38,153 And it's just such a satisfying laugh. 875 00:44:38,196 --> 00:44:40,938 It's the best energy of, like, horror and comedy, 876 00:44:40,982 --> 00:44:42,679 I think I've ever seen 877 00:44:42,723 --> 00:44:45,116 because the release is so satisfying. 878 00:44:46,944 --> 00:44:50,643 It was kind of the first fake-out dream sequence 879 00:44:50,687 --> 00:44:52,776 to be found in horror movies, 880 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:54,125 and that's back in 1981. 881 00:44:57,912 --> 00:45:01,132 Since then, it's been replicated a number of times, 882 00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:03,831 more or less successfully-- usually less-- 883 00:45:03,874 --> 00:45:06,616 but nobody expected that double twist. 884 00:45:08,487 --> 00:45:10,030 I love when a film does something like that. 885 00:45:10,054 --> 00:45:11,490 I've just had a nightmare. 886 00:45:11,534 --> 00:45:12,990 You can't trust what happens next. 887 00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,667 You have no idea 888 00:45:14,711 --> 00:45:16,800 if anything you're watching at any moment 889 00:45:16,844 --> 00:45:19,281 is gonna suddenly be blown out of the water as a dream 890 00:45:19,324 --> 00:45:22,588 or as a fantasy or as a hallucination. 891 00:45:22,632 --> 00:45:24,416 It's really fun and unsettling 892 00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:25,678 when horror films do that. 893 00:45:25,722 --> 00:45:27,245 Can I have a piece of toast? 894 00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:30,205 Get the fuck outta here, Jack. 66208

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