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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,160 (ominous music) 2 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,920 (birds chirping) 3 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,000 (sirens wailing in distance) 4 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,320 (Derrik) So, this is one of the important junctions 5 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,360 of the CBD Central area and this is the Albany Road underpass. 6 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,520 A connection, basically, to go into the city 7 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,920 and into Summerstrand, Humewood Beach area. 8 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,840 And then obviously going left into 9 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,880 the more industrial area, North End. 10 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,360 One important thing just while I'm sitting here thinking, is that 11 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,040 with the Noordhoek rapist case, where Alison was attacked, 12 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,960 after they took her car, 13 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,840 Frans du Toit then parked the car under this exact overpass, 14 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,160 um, so we couldn't pick it up with a chopper. 15 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,000 I think we spent about a day and a half flying all over here 16 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,840 looking for her vehicle, 17 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,240 while she was in hospital fighting for her life. 18 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,680 (Brett) In 1994, at the end of the year, a terrible crime, 19 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,400 awful crime, took place in Port Elizabeth where a young woman, 20 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Alison, was abducted in the central area of PE, 21 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,000 and taken out to Schoenmakerskop, 22 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,160 which is along a deserted road, 23 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,840 along-- along the coastline 24 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,040 where she was literally butchered by two satanists, 25 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,440 and her throat slit from ear to ear, 26 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,000 and she was disembowelled. 27 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,760 It was an incredible story of survival. 28 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,920 I was actually the first reporter to interview her 29 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:31,120 and I actually saw her in hospital about a week after the attack. 30 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:37,280 It was a story that only became a huge story 31 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,400 because there were details which emerged 32 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,280 which I think, don't emerge in so many other stories 33 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,360 where victims are simply forgotten 34 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,960 because they don't have voices any longer, 35 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,920 or because their families-- they don't have families 36 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:58,920 or because their families don't want to speak about it. 37 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,920 Stewart Wilken's crimes, 38 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,800 looking with hindsight today 39 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,840 would seem under-reported, and indeed, they were. 40 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,800 And one has to wonder why. 41 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,720 And I think it's this very fact, that without the information 42 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:22,360 as opposed to the Alison story, some victims do just vanish. 43 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,840 Wilken's victims were street children. 44 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Some of them weren't even identified, 45 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,800 even by the time he went to trial and was convicted. 46 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,680 And of course, others were prostitutes, 47 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,600 with either distant relatives or possibly no relatives at all. 48 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,560 (ominous music) 49 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,720 So, 50 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,640 this brings us to one of Wilken's last murders, 51 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,640 or latest murders before we were able to arrest him and finally 52 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,520 take him off the streets. 53 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,560 Yeah, it started at the Red Lion again which was 54 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,560 quite a favoured hunting ground of his. 55 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,640 (pop music) 56 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,640 (ominous music) 57 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,720 (Gérard) Stewart approaches a sex worker, 26-year old, young lady. 58 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,120 And he actually says that he was very-- he had a very high sex drive 59 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,120 'cause his wife hadn't had sex with him for eight months. 60 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,520 (ominous music) 61 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,480 (Gérard) He then leads her to a bridge, 62 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:42,080 off Albany Road near a railway line and he said he was blind from lust. 63 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,720 (ominous music) 64 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,440 (gasping/choking) 65 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,800 (Derrik) He grabs Katriena Claasen, strangles her to death, 66 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,560 throws her lifeless body on the ground 67 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,800 and then repeatedly has sex with the dead body. 68 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Before fleeing the scene, he puts her up against a concrete wall 69 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,040 and points her arm to a sign which says, 70 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,000 (camera shutter clicking) 71 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,160 (Derrik) So, this case was really important to me 72 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,880 because it was one of-- Well, the only case 73 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,960 besides his-- his missing daughter that I had insight into, 74 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,920 before he was ever caught. 75 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,800 We didn't make the connection at that time 76 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,840 between him and his missing daughter or any of the other cases, 77 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,920 because they were so far and wide, you know. 78 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,600 We didn't really-- We hadn't really put them together. 79 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,000 I think it was one of our big failures. 80 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,160 We weren't talking to each other about these things 81 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,960 and to be honest, I think because the victimology of the 82 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,360 people were street children, prostitutes... 83 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,800 You know, if you had pressure from families and those kind of things 84 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,760 you would be looking out those ones. 85 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,880 And yeah, and then eventually he would confirm that-- 86 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,560 that this was one of his killings. 87 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,080 (dramatic music) 88 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,960 ♪ Beware of the wolves my baby ♪ 89 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,600 ♪ They're spying for love ♪ ♪ From the porch tonight ♪ 90 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,400 ♪ And as the light begins to dim ♪ ♪ They'll start the skinning ♪ 91 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,160 ♪ Of your innocent body ♪ ♪ Naked in the night ♪ 92 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,080 ♪ So come and shine your light ♪ 93 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:18,560 ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 94 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,920 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 95 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,480 ♪ Shine your light ♪ 96 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,760 (Alwyn) Somewhere during 1996 I received a 97 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,840 Legal Aid Board instruction to represent a person 98 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,080 by the name of Stewart Wilken, on a sodomy charge. 99 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,240 So, I went down to court, met the client. 100 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,680 He was still in custody at that stage. 101 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,960 I did a bail application on his behalf. Got him out on bail. 102 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,520 Once the investigation in the case was completed 103 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,800 I secured a copy of the police docket and I noted that 104 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,960 the allegation was that he sodomised one of the children 105 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,520 of the lady with whom he was with at that stage. 106 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,440 (ominous music) 107 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,200 (Sergius) My earliest memories of my family is like, 108 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,680 not good actually, at all. 109 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,600 I remember like, my father being abusive towards my mother. 110 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,040 My mother never wanted us to be alone with him. 111 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,400 He would just take me like, "Come, let's go for a walk.", whatever. 112 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,640 Sometimes he won't even say anything, 113 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,480 he'll just take me on my hand like... 114 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,080 I mean, I trusted the guy, he's my father. 115 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,840 He took me from her, went to go rape me in the bush 116 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,240 brought me back, and life just carried on as if nothing happened, 117 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,360 after I told my mother what he did to me. 118 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,160 (dramatic music) 119 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,920 Well, what happened is, we prepared for trial. 120 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,800 I sat down, I consulted with Stewart Wilken, 121 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,360 who denied any knowledge of the allegations against him at the time. 122 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,520 And it was at the second appearance on trial 123 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,320 that the matter was withdrawn against Stewart Wilken. 124 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,440 The complainant was his stepson and the mother of the complainant, 125 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,520 approached the prosecutor and the matter was withdrawn. 126 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,880 Unbeknown to me at the time 127 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,280 the fact that the case against Stewart Wilken was postponed 128 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,360 for trial and the time lapse between the postponement 129 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,760 and the actual trial date 130 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,560 would lead to a build-up of emotions in Stewart Wilken. 131 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:56,960 (tense music) 132 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,320 (Boetie Boer) Fuck! Fuck! 133 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,760 (Alwyn) It would lead up to such a build-up of emotions, 134 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,320 that he had to relieve himself from the stress. 135 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,920 So, on the date that the case was withdrawn against him, 136 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,960 another child went missing. 137 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,840 (dramatic music) 138 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,920 (Ursula) This is the statement of Ellen Bakers, 139 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,520 this is Henry Bakers' mother. 140 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Ellen came across as a very caring mother, 141 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,600 different to any of the other women that Stewart was involved with. 142 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,360 (sinister music) 143 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,680 (dramatic music) 144 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 (Ursula) On 22nd January 1997, 145 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,840 this is the first day of school of the year, Henry comes from school. 146 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,280 He normally goes home or to his grandmother. 147 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,120 So that afternoon, he went to his grandmother. 148 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,440 At a stage, he said that he wanted to go home. 149 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,720 His uncle, David, was supposed to walk with him. 150 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,160 But he just didn't feel like going. 151 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,600 (Ursula) Henry decided that he's gonna go on his own. 152 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,360 At that period, Stewart came to the grandmother's house. 153 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 He was a friend of the family, nothing out of the ordinary. 154 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,480 (Ursula) Everybody knew him. He was always around the kids. 155 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,480 So for them, it was nothing when he offered to walk with Henry. 156 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,480 (ominous music) 157 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,160 (Derrik) Wilken would claim, that during this walk 158 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,080 Henry asked him to explain to him how to have sex 159 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,320 as a young girl at school had come with a proposition 160 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,200 and he had no idea how this took place. 161 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,120 Wilken then offered to show him how to have sex. 162 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,600 Wilken then claims he led Bakers to the Green Belt, 163 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,120 an area around Algoa Park. 164 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,400 And told the boy he was now gonna teach him how to have sex 165 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,720 in the same way he'd been taught as a young boy. 166 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,680 (tense music) 167 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,400 (Derrik) Bakers fought back and said no, he wouldn't do it 168 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,480 and then told Wilken, he would report this to his mother 169 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,240 if Stewart continued to have sex with him. 170 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:18,400 At that point, Stewart throttled him to death. 171 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,600 He would also then cover the body up, 172 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,880 remove his clothes place them in another place 173 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,640 and then repeatedly return to this body and commit necrophilia, 174 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,440 up until his arrest. 175 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,040 It's this case which brought Wilken to book. 176 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,480 Wilken had committed the ultimate betrayal. 177 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,440 The community that had taken him in, and where he had found refuge 178 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,160 was now betrayed by the person that they'd helped 179 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,560 and protected all this time. 180 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,160 (Veronica over radio) Good morning. This is Veronica Fourie, 181 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,880 with news just in. 182 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,720 A shocking discovery as Stewart Wilken, also known as Boetie Boer, 183 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,560 has been detained after confessing to multiple murders 184 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,720 spanning nearly a decade. 185 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,800 He was brought in for questioning with regards to a missing child 186 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,600 and later in the day confessed to more than 10 murders 187 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,360 including that of his own daughter, Wuané, 188 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:18,320 whose bones were discovered last year, 189 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,000 behind the old Elizabeth Hotel. 190 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,560 (Anchor) A Port Elizabeth fisherman, arrested for the murder 191 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,360 of his 11-year old daughter 192 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,360 is to be charged with eight more counts of murder. 193 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:31,720 (Veronica) Wilken faces multiple charges of rape and murder 194 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,600 and will appear in the Port Elizabeth High Court, next week. 195 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,680 (sinister music) 196 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,240 (Derrik) Now it's about gathering evidence, 197 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,040 but I think even more important than gathering evidence 198 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,000 at that point-- There's a mother sitting at home. 199 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,560 A family sitting at home, without a body. 200 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,640 So for me, the most important thing was to get Bakers' body back. 201 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,760 So I said to him, well listen, you know, 202 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,880 I don't know where the boy is, you know. 203 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,400 You know, you told me you loved his mother 204 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,440 and you were involved with his mother, 205 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,920 and you care so for the family. 206 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,080 Surely you would-- 207 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,240 Surely, you want to let them have some closure, you know? 208 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,800 And he's like, "I'll go and show you where the body is." 209 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,840 Police methodology, to be in line with law 210 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,880 I'm not allowed to go with, on the pointing-outs. 211 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,160 So we call an officer, 212 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,320 who's got nothing to do with the investigation 213 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,920 no insights into the case, and we ask him to go with. 214 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,040 On that same night, Colonel Fanus Rautenbach arrived at the office 215 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,520 He would then have to go through the formal process 216 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,680 with Wilken and the lawyer where he warns him of his rights. 217 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,520 (eerie music) 218 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,440 (Allon) I was the forensic videographer on standby 219 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,800 at the time with the Boetie Boer case. 220 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,240 I was stationed at the local criminal records center 221 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,320 in Port Elizabeth based in Mount Road. 222 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,160 I started there in 1991, 223 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,720 and received training as a photographer, 224 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,960 fingerprint expert, videographer, 225 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,920 and accident scene reconstruction. 226 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,000 I'd heard the guys talking about Boetie Boer 227 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,920 but I didn't really put things together 228 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,920 until I was called to video the pointing out. 229 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,760 (Allon) And as I was listening to the story, 230 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,720 I realised what sort of person this was. 231 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,160 And what was so ironic, was the lack of emotion. 232 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,520 There was absolutely no emotion in his voice or his face. 233 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,240 It was actually quite shocking. 234 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,640 I'd never come across a person like that. 235 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,360 (Derrik) Videos are taken, and photos are taken of his body 236 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,360 to show that we haven't tortured or abused him. 237 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,000 (dramatic music) 238 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,840 (Derrik) One strange request at the time was 239 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,160 said he wanted me to go with. So, that's highly irregular. 240 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,680 He believed he could talk to me. 241 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,840 -(car engine starting) -(ominous music) 242 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,960 (Derrik) So, on this particular pointing out, we visited two sites. 243 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,280 The first site he showed Colonel Rautenbach was the freshest victim. 244 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240 The body of Henry Bakers, who had been missing for about-- 245 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,480 At that time, I think about nine days. 246 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,280 (ominous music) 247 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,960 (camera shutter clicking) 248 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,400 (Derrik) What we found there was ghastly. 249 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,960 I mean, the remains of Bakers-- He was maggot-infested... 250 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,280 Later information pointed out to us 251 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,200 that Stewart had been at that body that morning. 252 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,680 And actually, before he went to sea, actually had sex 253 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,840 with that maggot-infested body. 254 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,960 Jeez, people, I vomited. 255 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,080 I'm not, I'm not joking, it was horrendous. 256 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,800 And I mean, just the thought, it just-- 257 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,880 It just defies any form of logic or humanity. 258 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,240 (Allon) Here now you can see, the insects on the body of a... 259 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,480 (Derrik) We were in a very, very, tight spot at that point 260 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,200 because the body was in a very bad state of decomposition. 261 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,880 And because of the breakdown of DNA in young children 262 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,680 we were unable to determine whether or not it was Bakers' body. 263 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,240 (Allon) We then left, and if I'm not mistaken, 264 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,680 we went towards the Hotel Elizabeth, in Summerstrand, Humewood. 265 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,480 (Inspector Gouws) Right. 266 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,960 (Allon) And we went from the parking area behind the hotel, 267 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,160 we walked towards Happy Valley, and that was quite a walk. 268 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,320 I had to carry the camera by its handle 269 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,040 um, because it was through bushes and over trees and that. 270 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,440 (tense music) 271 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,520 (Allon) And we came to a spot where there was like a board, 272 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,920 or a cardboard or something, and he scratched around, and 273 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,160 Capt-- Major Rautenbach asked him what was he looking for 274 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,880 and he said, that he'd buried his daughter there. 275 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,280 (Allon) Okay. 276 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,600 (ominous music) 277 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320 (camera shutter clicking) 278 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,560 (Allon) Time is now 23:31. Cut this recording. 279 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,400 (Derrik) We still had quite a lot of facts we didn't know, 280 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,120 like we hadn't recovered Wuané's clothing, his daughter's clothing. 281 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,760 We didn't have Bakers' clothing at that point. 282 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,560 So, children's DNA doesn't stay long after they die in the body. 283 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,160 So we knew from the Wuané case, we didn't really have DNA. 284 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,320 We basically had his word. He then said, 285 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,560 "Oh well, call my lawyer, because if I have to leave it to you, 286 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,400 you'll be here forever. So, I'll go and show you." 287 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,040 (Sidney) So in early March 1997 288 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,240 I got a call from Sergeant Norsworthy, and he wanted to know 289 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,360 if I was available the next day to do a pointing out parade. 290 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,720 And he informed me that Mr Alwyn Griebenow 291 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,160 was the attorney that was dealing with the matter 292 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,680 and that I would also find him there. 293 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,680 (Alwyn) When he went to show the police the remains of his daughter, 294 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,520 the nearer he came to the spot where it was 295 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,600 he became like, yeah, I don't wanna say he became like an animal 296 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,400 but he became like, aggressive, and panted, 297 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,760 and the police battled to keep up with him 298 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,600 as he was approaching the place. 299 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,800 And he was digging in the sand, looking for her remains. 300 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,400 And it wasn't there where he said he left it the last time. 301 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,800 And he'd move around and he was agitated. 302 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320 It seemed as if he thought that somebody has been here 303 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,760 somebody has found the remains. 304 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,080 It's as if he wanted to claim that, 305 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,040 "It's mine. Nobody else is allowed to touch it." 306 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,040 That was something that came across quite disturbing at the time. 307 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,880 (Derrik) At this point in time, we visited Henry's mom, Ellen Bakers 308 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,920 at her house in Algoa Park. 309 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,840 Up until that time, even though the belief was there 310 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,440 that the body we had was well Henry Bakers' 311 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,600 I'm always believing that family hope that it's not the child 312 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,880 or that there would one day be a knock at the door 313 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,080 and the boy would be returning home. 314 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,880 (Ursula) I still remember that I climbed out first 315 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440 and I had to take the clothes from the back. 316 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,520 Ellen was standing in the door. 317 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,120 While we walked in, she saw the clothes in my hands. 318 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,480 (Ellen) He's not here! 319 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240 (Ursula) And when I got to the door 320 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240 I still remember her falling down on that floor 321 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,400 and she started crying and saying, 322 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,960 "Why? You promised you're gonna bring him back." 323 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,840 That was the hardest part. 324 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,560 Don't touch me! 325 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,840 (Ursula) Seeing that mother break down in front of me 326 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,920 and I couldn't bring her child back. 327 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,440 -I'm so sorry. -My Henry's not here! 328 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,400 (Ellen) He's not here! 329 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,160 (Ursula) I was young when I made promises that I couldn't keep. 330 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080 You promised. 331 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,560 (melancholic music) 332 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,640 He's not here. 333 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320 (Ursula) Ellen's life changed dramatically 334 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,240 because of this experience. She never had any other children. 335 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,600 She went into a relationship that was also toxic. 336 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,960 Um, she drank a lot. 337 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,240 She ended up in the hospital five years back 338 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320 because of her abusive husband, 339 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,440 and because of her injuries, and she passed away. 340 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,360 I think that she blamed herself 341 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,280 because she let him, into their lives. 342 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,080 And he took the only child that she ever had. 343 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,680 (Leon) A confession alone is not sufficient. 344 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360 Um, you can confess to something, but we have to prove that 345 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,200 that something actually happened. 346 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040 So with any confession 347 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,840 you have to prove the elements of the offense. 348 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,640 But Wilken did not name the names of his victims. 349 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,960 It would have been easier if he would have said 350 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,360 that this victim he knew, but they were all unknown to him. 351 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,040 In fact, I think three of the murders 352 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,760 until today we don't know the victim's identities. 353 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,160 (Derrik) So most cases are solved proactively 354 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,280 and you're hunting a killer with a profile. 355 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,120 Our case was a bit different, because 356 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,240 it had all basically been done. 357 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,720 We were now trying to retrospectively find the cases 358 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,840 that he was talking about, from a statement. 359 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,360 (Leon) It was challenging at the time. 360 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,760 It was long before the digital stage 361 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,520 so we had to go and physically spend time in the dusty archives. 362 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,080 And the first thing that you would normally do 363 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,920 is look at the photographs. 364 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,880 (Derrik) We would eventually sit down with Stewart with 365 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,920 post-mortem photos and show him the faces of the victims. 366 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,960 And he was able to identify all the cases we had 367 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,960 one for one for one, back as far as 1990. 368 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,680 So one thing that was clear to me is that 369 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,320 his memory of who he had killed, 370 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,720 these pictures are engraved on his mind very, very clearly 371 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,200 without any doubt, as to whose were his. 372 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,360 So he clearly knows who he murdered. 373 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,280 (Alwyn) Now, the big thing is it wasn't the same person 374 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,560 that I represented prior in the sodomy case. 375 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,800 Now all of a sudden he's confessed, he's guilty. 376 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,160 He's not guilty of one or two, he's guilty of a lot of murders. 377 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,280 And you as attorney, realise you've got a problem. 378 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,000 And it was at that stage that I realised that 379 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,560 it's gonna be very important to see what the outcome is 380 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,160 of the 30-day detention period 381 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,920 that he's gonna have during his mental observation. 382 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,960 His referral for mental observation was to Valkenberg in Cape Town. 383 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,040 And it was requested that Professor Zabouw 384 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,000 who is an expert in the field, deal with him at that stage. 385 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,840 It's an in-depth observation period, 386 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,800 where tests are done and consultations are held. 387 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,200 It was important to have that report available 388 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,720 in order to determine what the approach would be 389 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,200 at the end of the day. 390 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,080 Whether there would be a possibility of a plea of insanity. 391 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,560 (Prof Zabouw) Does it still continue? 392 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,120 Are you still being traumatised? By which people? 393 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,440 (Alwyn) Upon receiving the report and perusing the report 394 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,400 it became clear that the panel found that Stewart Wilken, 395 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,400 at the time of committing the offenses 396 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,680 was able to distinguish between right and wrong. 397 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,720 And he was also able to act in accordance therewith. 398 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,840 I did not know whether 399 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,560 Professor Zabouw had all the detail at the time 400 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,440 and whether the panel had all the detail at the time 401 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,520 when coming to this conclusion. 402 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,800 So I requested the Legal Aid Board to make funds available 403 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,480 in order to go see Professor Zabouw. 404 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,120 So, a meeting was set up and I went up to Cape Town 405 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,040 to go see Professor Zabouw. 406 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080 (Prof Zabouw) It's in the report. Trust me. 407 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,040 (Alwyn) And what became very clear during this meeting 408 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,440 was that this is the position. 409 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840 This matter needs to go to court. 410 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,000 The court needs to make a finding. 411 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,680 And I realised at the time that... 412 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,560 What are the chances of coming to a different conclusion? 413 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,920 A different conclusion would be that 414 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,800 he could not distinguish between right and wrong 415 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,080 or that he could, but he couldn't act in accordance therewith. 416 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,520 Which would have the effect, that he cannot stand trial 417 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,640 which would have the effect that he would be declared 418 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,200 a State's President's patient, 419 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,840 which would have the effect that he would be 420 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:11,720 out of an institution in a couple of years, 421 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,320 back on the street. 422 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,320 (film camera whirring) 423 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,680 (Alwyn) And if released back onto the street, 424 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,080 what would the consequences be? 425 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,240 Who would then take responsibility for these consequences? 426 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,400 So, 427 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,960 it dawned on me that there couldn't be any other decision. 428 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,320 (eerie music) 429 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,080 (Alwyn) Right through the trial, Stewart Wilken would 430 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080 very, very seldom show any remorse. 431 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,200 He sat in court. He listened to the evidence. 432 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,120 Ice cold. Except for two occasions. 433 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,880 The first occasion was when they produced his daughter's skull. 434 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,800 (Alwyn) Boetie became very emotional. 435 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,640 To such an extent that the court had to adjourn. 436 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,000 And the second time was, after sentencing was passed, 437 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,560 and he realised what he was in for. 438 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,520 It was as if someone 439 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640 shook him and he awoke for the first time, 440 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,920 realising the consequences of what he has done, 441 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,080 and realising the punishment that he's receiving. 442 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,560 It now affected him, as the victim, 443 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,640 and why is he, as the victim, being punished so severely? 444 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,440 (Alwyn) Whether he lived in hope of something better than life 445 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,720 as far as sentencing is concerned, might be so. 446 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,960 But when he broke down, it was all about "me", 447 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,360 and nothing about the victims. 448 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,320 (Derrik) For Stewart, I think it was-- it was a shock, 449 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,000 because I think his reality-- 450 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,960 and I remember when we put him in the car 451 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,400 and we were driving him back to St Albans prison, him saying to me, 452 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,200 "Jis, Derrik, this judge is fucking mad. How does he expect me to live 453 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,440 for 175 years before I come out on parole. 454 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,000 He's out of his fucking mind." And I was like, 455 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,440 "Stewart, I don't think he wants you ever to come out, my friend. 456 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,240 Have you worked that out?" So I think it was quite a shock for him. 457 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,320 (dramatic music) 458 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,200 February the 24th, 1998, a year after his arrest. 459 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480 The headline says it all, 460 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,480 "You deserve to hang.", in quotes. 461 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,240 "Serial killer Boetie Boer is given seven life sentences." 462 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,520 33-year-old Stewart Wilken was found guilty of murdering four women 463 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,520 and three children, including his own daughter. 464 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,880 He also ate one of his victim's body parts. 465 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,040 He was found guilty of two sodomy charges as well. 466 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,080 Judge Chris Jansen said he would have sentenced Wilken to death 467 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,800 if capital punishment was not outlawed... 468 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,840 The sentence was good, because the guy didn't show any remorse. 469 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080 So I feel the sentence was good. 470 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,880 (Lulama singing in foreign language) 471 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,520 (ominous music) 472 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,200 (Brett) It's 25 years now, that Stewart Wilken has been in jail. 473 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960 And a story that appeared in the Weekend Post 474 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:03,120 elicited quite a huge public response online 475 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,920 with regard to his crimes and whether he deserves parole. 476 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,760 It is a polarising issue. 477 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,800 Should he be allowed parole after 25 years? 478 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,360 Should he be forgiven? Should he be released? 479 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:23,360 He said himself at the sentencing that he wanted to go to jail 480 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,640 because he wanted to one day be released 481 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,720 and live life as a normal person. 482 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:32,640 The big question is, can Stewart Wilken ever be a normal person? 483 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,320 (Gérard) I don't know if a case like this really changes society. 484 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,760 It had a big impact on a lot of people. 485 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,640 But I think its bizarre and unusual nature, 486 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,440 makes it also very easy for people to say, "Well, that's an outlier. 487 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560 That won't ever happen again." 488 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,680 Why do we need to worry about these kind of people?" 489 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,720 Because, will we ever have a Stewart Wilken again? 490 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,320 And we haven't really, before him or after him, had someone like him. 491 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,840 So, I see it more from the policing perspective. 492 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,720 How does it make us better at catching these individuals sooner? 493 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,000 And that's the whole point of going down to speak to him. 494 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,160 What can we learn, 495 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,600 to try and make sure the number of people he's going to kill 496 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,480 is reduced as far as possible, to save victims lives? 497 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,520 (Gérard) So, there at the end of the, sort of time that 498 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,920 I spent interviewing him, essentially what he said he wants, 499 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,960 once he gets out of prison, or if he gets out of prison, 500 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,400 is to really just go and be with, who was then his wife 501 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,600 and just spend time with grandchildren, 502 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,800 and play with them and be a granddad which 503 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880 you know, is unrealistic on so many levels. 504 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,400 (dramatic music) 505 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,680 When people ask me, who is my father 506 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,400 I tell them "Boetie Boer" is my father. 507 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,240 My feelings towards my father are not hatred. 508 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:13,400 I do care for him, because he is my father after all, 509 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,680 and he is a human being. 510 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,840 After my father went to prison 511 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,720 I faced many difficulties in my life growing up. 512 00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,560 Getting out of Helenvale, getting to a better place 513 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,480 there was no one to help us at all. 514 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,800 I've seen my father 515 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,760 for the five years back, when he came back from Mangaung. 516 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,080 I only heard his voice and only spoke to him through letters, 517 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,000 but not face to face. 518 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,440 So, it was really emotional and I can't even explain how it felt, 519 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,200 seeing my father for the first time after so many years. 520 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,520 (Sergius) Whenever I speak to him on the phone or go visit him 521 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,360 immediately he'll burst into tears and start apologising over and over 522 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,520 repeatedly saying sorry for what he did to me, sorry for what he did. 523 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,040 Every single time when he sees me or speaks to me. 524 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,280 I can't actually explain the feeling. 525 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,160 I actually feel sorry for the guy, being honest. 526 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,320 Being honest I feel sorry for him. 527 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,760 But in a way it's like, I told him, 528 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,200 look I forgave you but I actually didn't. 529 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,120 I'm just putting his mind at ease, "Look here, I forgave you," but 530 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,080 how can I forgive a person that killed my sister? 531 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,800 That almost killed me, and raped me and, 532 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,600 did what he did to all those innocent people also. 533 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,280 I mean, my whole life could have been so much different 534 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,920 if he didn't do what he do. 535 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,520 I don't think he'll ever change. 536 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,880 I think he can manipulate people into thinking that he will change 537 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,600 but I don't think he will change. Never ever. 538 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,680 Since he recently applied for parole, the community threaten us. 539 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,240 "When your father come out, we'll come burn down your house." 540 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:00,760 That's gonna happen. We're gonna be in harms way. 541 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,840 People's gonna hurt us to get to him. 542 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,240 Even me. If he gets out, before he does anything to my sister 543 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,760 I'll most probably do something to him. 544 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,560 I'll hurt him before he hurts my sister, or he hurts me. 545 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,160 (melancholic music) 546 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,120 (melancholic music) 547 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:16,240 (Sonnika-Lee) Little by little, the anger started to go away. 548 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,440 At the end of the day, I had to give everything to the Lord. 549 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,560 And the Lord say you have to let go of the past. 550 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,120 You have to forgive to be able to move forward in life. 551 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,440 If you do not forgive, 552 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,440 you will never be able to move forward in life. 553 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,440 You will be stuck on one place forever. 554 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,560 (Derrik) It seems funny now, thinking back to-- 555 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,440 It's a lifetime since we did this. 556 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,280 Drawn into the thought that 25 to life is 557 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,560 basically what South Africa gives offenders 558 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,560 and there's a possibility Stewart would be eligible for parole 559 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,800 one of these days. I think that creates a huge amount of fear in me 560 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,440 in the sense that I know from the training he'll never stop killing. 561 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,440 Unfortunately, the sad realities of serial killers is 562 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,040 we don't have a cure for them yet. 563 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,240 Maybe one day that'll change and 564 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,160 we'll be able to release them into society, 565 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,160 but until such time, that should never happen. 566 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,840 We owe it to the families of the victims to make sure 567 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,880 Stewart never gets the opportunity to do this again. 568 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,600 (ominous music) 48258

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