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(Gérard) Majority of serial murderers
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commit their first murder
at the age of 29.
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So by '89, '90, Stewart
would have been about 25, 26.
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So,
his starting point isn't surprising.
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But why at that point did he suddenly
decide to go over into murder?
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There probably is some trigger, which
we might not ever know what it is
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and he might not even know
what the trigger is.
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If you want to harm people,
you first have to dehumanize them.
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And that's the first
step towards making it easy
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to do something to these people
if they're not human.
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(plastic bags rustling)
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(Gérard) But the substances often
become something that
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removes your inhibitions.
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Making it easier for you
to engage in this behaviour
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that your thoughts that
have been festering underneath.
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Now we get to this point in 1990
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where he ultimately
targets his first murder victim.
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(camera shutter clicking)
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(Gérard) But in this case,
his first victim is a young boy.
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Why he targets a young boy
instead of perhaps
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adult women which
he describes as whores?
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We're not quite sure.
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(Boetie Boer) Hey.
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(coughing/choking)
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♪ Beware of the wolves my baby ♪
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♪ They're spying for love ♪
♪ From the porch tonight ♪
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♪ And as the light begins to dim ♪
♪ They'll start the skinning ♪
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♪ Of your innocent body ♪
♪ Naked in the night ♪
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♪ So come and shine your light ♪
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♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
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♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
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♪ Shine your light ♪
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(Veronica) Good morning.
This is Veronica Fourie,
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with the news at nine.
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The body of a 15-year-old African boy
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was discovered on the Cillié High
School grounds this morning.
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Police officers on the scene say that
the boy was raped,
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and strangled to death.
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There are currently no witnesses,
and the police ask that
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anyone with information to please
contact the Mount Road station.
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(cars hooting)
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(Brett) In the mid-century,
Port Elizabeth
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was an industrial city on the rise.
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And because there were all these
motor manufacturing plants
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and that's why it earned the moniker
of Detroit of South Africa.
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It was very prosperous.
People came to PE to get a job
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because you knew you could find a job
in the motor manufacturing industry.
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So, PE was a blue-collar city,
but a prosperous one.
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And one that was on the rise.
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And where people were, you know,
generally earned a good living.
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They could put food on their table.
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They could put a roof
over their heads.
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And of course, that was the PE
of the 1960s, shall we say.
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And that started to change,
naturally in the 80s
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when international pressure
forced the American car companies
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to-- to withdraw from South Africa.
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So PE, unfortunately,
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went through a real turmoil
in terms of its social fabric.
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When the economy started to decline
there was a definite shift
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in terms of where people were living.
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And these people were
all part of various industries.
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(Derrik) I think we were
quite a close community.
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I always liked to joke and say
it was small enough
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so you knew everyone's business
but big enough
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so you could run away
from the sheriff if you owed money.
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(Derrik) So, in my time growing up,
Sydenham and North End
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were like the industrial workers.
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There were some really
good people living there.
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People worked hard,
and they lived hard as well.
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But there were also
the struggling lower class
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that were almost integrated,
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or in between the people that
were like, doing okay.
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You know, so, we found a lot
of people living off the bread line.
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a lot of drug abuse,
a lot of alcohol abuse.
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I used to call it the
"mom-hits-dad" kind of environments.
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(Brett) The areas like Sydenham and
North End had an interesting make-up.
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Because you there had your
not-so-well-off white people.
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It was the sort of "grey area"
of residential Port Elizabeth
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where anyone could
live quite cheaply.
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Stewart Wilken grew up in those
northern parts of Port Elizabeth.
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There was a lot of domestic violence
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obviously aggravated by
poor living conditions
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among some families, not all,
but among some families.
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And probably abuse. Physical abuse,
and even sexual abuse.
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So, you put a child like
that into a family situation
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where there is maybe
domestic violence,
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maybe there is financial pressure
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and there is already (stammering)
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a foundation for problems.
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And a child growing up like that
who already lacks social skills
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would easily fall prey to--
to that environment.
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(Gérard) If we look at what
we know about Stewart Wilken
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there is kind of like,
almost this dark hole
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where we have to try and
piece together Wilken's history
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from what he tells us, which you
know, how accurate is that or not?
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From statements that were
taken at the time by for example,
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his later adopted mother
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to try and piece together the
background of Stewart Wilken.
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(Gérard) What seems to be
the consensus is that
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he was born in Boksburg,
in November 1964.
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He already had an older sister,
Emma, at the time.
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Then at some point,
the mother and her partner relocate
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to Port Elizabeth.
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And it's here, in Port Elizabeth
where Stewart Wilken and his sister
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are allegedly abandoned
and literally found
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by the first home that takes them in,
in a telephone booth.
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(children moaning/crying)
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(Helper) Let's go home.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
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(Gérard) So he's found in
the telephone booth
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actually by the helper.
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And she's obviously very
concerned about these little kids.
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She knows that her employer,
the Du Plessis'
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have had other kids
in a foster capacity.
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And were getting grants from the
government to look after these kids.
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(ominous music)
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(Helper) It was getting dark,
and I thought maybe
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I could bring them here.
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(tape cassette player stopping)
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(Gérard) And according to Stewart,
the Du Plessis' aren't motivated
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by the altruistic need to help
children who have been abandoned.
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They're motivated by their financial
grants that they're getting
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from the government
for looking after foster kids.
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So it's not a happy life.
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(Gérard) The Du Plessis' would
go away for the weekend
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fishing with other kids,
and Stewart would be left at home.
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And there wouldn't be food.
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The maid would go
next door to actually
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sort of try and get
food from Mrs Wilken.
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(Young Stewart crying)
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(dog barking)
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(dog barking)
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(dog yelping/whimpering)
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(Gérard) And that ultimately
led to the neighbour,
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Petronella Wilken,
essentially reporting the Du Plessis'
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for their abuse
towards young Stewart.
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And she then kind of took him over
and I believe eventually adopted him.
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(ominous music)
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(scratching/scraping)
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(dramatic music)
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(film projector whirring)
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(indistinct chatter)
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(Gérard) So, what we start to see,
is how these events
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that he's describing,
play out later on in his life
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and how they stick with him.
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Now, whether they are
an accurate representation
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of those events or not,
we don't know.
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But what we do know,
is that for him
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they stuck in his mind,
and as I said in some way,
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influenced his behaviour later on.
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(Gérard) So at one point we see him
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sort of being slotted into
Sunday school.
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That kind of was very,
very common in those days
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and most of us
didn't appreciate being forced
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to go to Sunday school on a Sunday.
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But in that environment
where he's been taught
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that God's there to help you,
Jesus loves you,
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if you have a problem, pray.
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(tape cassette player stopping)
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-(police station buzzing)
-(sirens wailing in distance)
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(dramatic organ music)
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(Gérard) And according to
his own statement
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he ends up actually
being abused by the deacon
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who ultimately
ends up sodomising him.
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And he calls out to Jesus to help him
and God and Jesus don't help him.
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(dramatic music)
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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We have him now continuing, in
what we refer to as primary school.
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But things aren't going well.
He's not doing well academically,
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obviously behaviourally
things aren't going well.
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But of course,
as you get older in a way,
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your problematic behaviour
becomes more serious.
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And he eventually gets sent off
to what we call an industrial school
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which is perhaps a glamorous term
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for a school where
problematic kids are sent.
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And essentially, you're now
with all the other problematic kids.
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And the teachers
are obviously teachers
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who are dealing with problematic
children and perhaps not necessarily
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in the most psychological,
in-tuned ways.
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You might even say that some of
those teachers went to these schools
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because they had certain,
perhaps, even sadistic tendencies.
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In a way it's a great environment
if you want to abuse kids
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because A, you have
a potential victim population
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that are problematic kids
that people don't believe
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because they're problematic children.
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So whose side are you gonna take?
The teacher,
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or the kid,
who we know has behavioural problems
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who's had lots of accusations before,
accusing the teacher
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of doing something wrong, sexually,
or otherwise, towards them?
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What are we going to do with you,
Wilken?
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I said, do you think you're special?
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(dramatic music)
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(Gérard) None of the times,
when he's describing his time there
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does he ever really mention friends.
So he's literally by himself.
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He doesn't have a family out there
that's visiting him, supporting him
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in the way perhaps, he needed
to be visited and supported.
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And where does he go to?
You know, he can't even turn to God
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because already he's
been felt rejected by God.
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And once you've been rejected
by both of those categories
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it's like who else is left
but yourself?
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There's actually
a very interesting statement
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which comes out later on,
that he says,
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"I then realised I had to be my
own mother, and father and family.
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That real sense of, it's me,
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and perhaps in a very selfish way,
I'm going to look out for myself.
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(tense music)
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(Derrik) Most persons
with deviant behaviours
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in the early 80's, late 70's,
would go to the Defence Force
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where the hope was that the
discipline and the tough programming,
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would get the kid right.
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(Derrik) Obviously for Wilken,
he finds it horrendous.
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The discipline,
which he really struggles with
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that intense training,
the breaking down
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that goes with you know,
your military training
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to get you into a fighting soldier.
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He never really is able to function
in that kind of an environment.
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(Gérard) I think at that
point in his life,
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any form of authority,
was an abuse of authority.
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Because the church had abused him,
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the school environment
had abused him,
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the legal system hadn't helped him.
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So I can imagine that
he's primed to react negatively
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to anybody in authority, bullying
him, and telling him what to do.
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(Derrik) I recall him telling
us he ends up in Detention Barracks,
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DB as it was known in the old days,
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where he basically just wants to die,
he doesn't want to live anymore.
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You know,
the guy must have been feeling
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he doesn't belong on this planet.
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(melancholy music)
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(Gérard) And of course,
he's found by fellow servicemen.
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(Gérard) And his life is saved.
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And of course, the huge irony
is that wasn't a turning point
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where he kind of
got his life on track.
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Nothing really changed in
terms of his viewpoint
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but the greatest perhaps irony is
that if he hadn't survived that
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we wouldn't have sat
with what we have here today
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with 12, possibly more people
having been murdered by his hand.
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My name is Doctor Giada Del Fabbro.
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I'm a clinical forensic psychologist.
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I do therapy work,
but I also do a lot of
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psycho-legal work,
criminal evaluations,
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in terms of you know,
understanding criminal psychology.
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I'd come back from the UK
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where I'd studied a Master's
in Forensic Psychology.
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So I contacted Gérard,
who had then recently taken over
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from Micki Pistorius at the
Investigative Psychology Unit
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and he mentored me, really.
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I think in terms
of the serial murderers
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and, you know, the way that
they commit their crimes.
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What, consistently,
across these individuals
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there's a deep sense of inadequacy
powerlessness, vulnerability.
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But that is, you know,
their whole make-up is structured
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to avoid engaging
with any of those feelings.
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Serial murderers might be trying
to reclaim that original decision
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around life or death
that they had no control over.
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And yet, you know,
ended up with a life
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that was really painful and cruel.
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(Gérard) And I guess it's this
total rejection of society
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because I guess he felt,
what has society offered me so far?
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What has authority offered me so far?
Nothing.
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(Boetie Boer coughing)
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(Gérard) So,
we have now a young Wilken
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who's not really
doing much with his life.
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But eventually one day
at the Sydenham Hotel
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he meets a young woman
by the name of Lynn.
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(pop music over speakers)
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(indistinct chatter)
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(Gérard) And thereafter starts the
relationship between the two of them,
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which would go on for
a number of years.
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(Ursula) This is the
initial statement
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that we took from Anthea Lynn Loots.
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The procedure with her was quite
long. She's not very educated.
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It's a woman that
didn't look after herself.
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I couldn't understand what.--
why would Stewart even
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have such an obsession about her.
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She was rough.
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Her speaking terms was rough.
She didn't play around with words.
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I think Anthea actually knew
that Stewart was busy...
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with prostitutes.
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She let him go away for months and
she was too glad when he was gone.
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(Gérard) She describes incidences
of verbal aggression,
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physical aggression.
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Of him strangling her,
holding her down, etc.
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Sometimes forcing himself upon her.
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(Gérard) Substances now
are playing a larger role.
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Alcohol and other types of substances
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and essentially the wheels
start to fall off the bus.
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(Derrik) He starts to really use
more drugs, he's drinking heavily,
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and then his sexual appetite
changes as well.
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He turns to sodomy.
Although he's not killing her,
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he's basically testing
the grounds for...
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for sexual, how can I say,
sexual violence.
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And this-- and it leads to a point
where she no longer can tolerate it.
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So she gets him to book himself
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into the Elizabeth Donkin
Mental Institution
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where we don't know exactly
what the diagnosis was
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but we were told,
he's diagnosed as being a psychopath
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with a potentially split personality.
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(Gérard) Now, the problem with a
diagnosis such as being diagnosed,
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as being a psychopath
is it's not a treatable condition.
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So, you can't keep someone
in a hospital for it.
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It's what we call
a personality disorder.
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It's kind of like
the core of who you are
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and how you see the world
and how you interact with the world.
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You might see the world differently
and as a psychopath typically does.
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They feel that, they don't really
have much feelings for other people
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so it becomes a very
self-centred type of lifestyle.
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You do what you want to
do when you feel like doing it.
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You don't learn from your mistakes,
you don't change.
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So, as shocking as it may sound
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obviously in light of
what he did later on
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they wouldn't have kept
him in a psychiatric hospital
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for the psychopath issues.
They would have treated him
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for maybe the depression
that's also maybe there,
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or the other treatable issues.
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But once those treatable issues
are resolved, or in remission
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he would have been discharged
back into the community.
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(ominous music)
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(Derrik) So,
this is where it all starts.
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Murder number one.
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The terrible thing about
this poor boy was he was placed in
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reformatory for housebreaking.
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He decides,
because of the harsh conditions
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to run away and live on the streets.
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He's outside, he's living on his own.
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Mom last sees him in December of '89.
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And in February of 1990,
Wilken takes him.
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(Boetie Boer) It's okay,
keep going, keep going.
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I'll get you food items, okay?
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(Gérard) He describes, in Afrikaans,
how he met the young boy
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in the area of Sidwell, and he took
him to the Cillié High School.
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(ominous music)
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Sh...
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-(Boetie Boer groaning)
-(boy choking)
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(Derrik) He's a street child.
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He's brought to a place
where Wilken detests.
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The society,
the institution of school
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a place that's hurt him
and broken him.
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It's been coming for a while,
it's built up,
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it's those urges inside of him. He's
been trying to suppress them, maybe.
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In 1990, a caretaker
arriving for a normal day's work
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came to this exact spot.
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Found this young boy strangled
set out spread-eagled,
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legs apart, completely naked.
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(camera shutter clicking)
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Wilken's killing spree...
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Everything he would later do
and murder, starts here.
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What stands out for
me about this street boy
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is the fact that he was able to be
identified, by name, by his mother.
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Which shows that there were family
ties, there was a bond.
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But in the other cases,
the other children,
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we weren't able to identify them,
or know who they were.
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(Ursula) I attended the Cillié High
School during the 80s, and...
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the one morning I
actually saw a child's body
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while I was going up the steps.
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The one thing
I could remember very well
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was that I thought the child's
bones-- legs was broken open,
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and I couldn't understand what
monster must have done that.
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And I think that's
where I made a decision
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that one day I will go to the police.
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(tape cassette player stopping)
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(Gérard) Then the next victim is
a black female,
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about 25 year old, female,
and he meets her in Russell Road.
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(ominous music)
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(ominous music)
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(Gérard) He offers her R50 for sex,
and they agree.
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So they go to the nearby primary
school, Dagbreek Primary School.
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She gets undressed
and they start to have sex.
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(ominous music)
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And then he decides afterwards, that
he wants to have anal sex with her
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which she refuses.
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(Gérard) She then fights against
having anal sex with him
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and he tells her to keep quiet.
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(Gérard) He then takes her panties,
and strangles her.
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(Woman choking)
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(Gérard) And while he's strangling
her and raping her anally
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he actually ejaculates.
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(Boetie Boer panting)
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(camera shutter clicking)
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(Giada) There's a psychological
theorist called William Fairburn.
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He uses a saying that says
"A child would rather be the devil
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in a world where God existed
than have no God whatsoever."
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And in terms of these serial killers
then becoming like demigods
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there's a sense that they've given up
on the fact that God is there.
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So they will be God, and the world
will be this evil, terrible,
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destructive place that
needs to be managed by them.
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(tape cassette player whirring)
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(tape cassette player stopping)
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