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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,280 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,000 (Anchor) Port Elizabeth serial killer, Stewart "Boetie Boer" Wilken 3 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,320 has been handed seven life imprisonment sentences. 4 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Wilken was found guilty on seven murder charges 5 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,920 and two of sodomy last week. 6 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,160 (Brett) Suddenly we had a serial killer. 7 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,680 The likes of a Station Strangler, or an ABC Killer. 8 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,840 His name was Stewart "Boetie Boer" Wilken. 9 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,400 And his crimes were just as bad, if not worse. 10 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,800 (camera shutter clicking) 11 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,240 (Sidney) He had a very intimidating presence about him. 12 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,280 He looked the part. 13 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,720 (Roslyn) He has learned the language. He has learned the slang. 14 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:22,200 And in that way he could mask who he actually was. 15 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,200 (ominous music) 16 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,120 (ominous music) 17 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,480 (Gérard) My name is Gérard Labuschagne. 18 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,800 I'm a clinical psychologist by training. 19 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 But I spent fourteen and a half years as the head of 20 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,840 the South African Police's Investigative Psychology Section. 21 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,800 This section essentially provides the same kind of services 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,120 as the FBI's behavioural analysis units. 23 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,480 So, essentially profiling violent crime. 24 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,040 A lot of work has to do with serial murder cases, serial rape cases. 25 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,800 And typically your more unusual types of cases 26 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,160 that a detective might not have 27 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,400 necessarily encountered in their career. 28 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,120 In about 2006 a colleague and myself, Lieutenant Colonel Jan de Lange, 29 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,920 decided to go down and interview Stewart Wilken, 30 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:36,280 who by that stage had been in prison for almost about 10 years. 31 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Of course he doesn't have to worry necessarily about 32 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,440 the consequences of whatever he tells you. 33 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,920 So we might get maybe a more honest 34 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:49,880 or perhaps better to say, a more comprehensive account 35 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,000 of what actually occurred with his crimes, 36 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,120 and his motivation for his crimes. 37 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,080 (dramatic music) 38 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,440 -(electric gate buzzing) -(metal hinges squeaking) 39 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,040 (Gérard) You look at his horrific deeds. You-- 40 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,440 Your brain goes to those places where you visualize this monster. 41 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,560 (camera shutter clicking) 42 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,320 (Gérard) And I suppose as a clinical psychologist 43 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,000 that wide range of pathological behaviour, 44 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,600 I guess, just definitely attracted me to his particular case. 45 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,560 (Gérard) So essentially what we had is a white, 46 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Afrikaans speaking South African male. 47 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,440 He had been convicted of killing seven people, 48 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,360 although he confessed to numerous more in his written confession. 49 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,840 And he was basically serving multiple life sentences 50 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,600 at that particular point in time at a private maximum security prison 51 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,400 in Bloemfontein, South Africa. 52 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,400 (tape cassette player whirring) 53 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,400 (ominous music) 54 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,840 (light-hearted music) 55 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:17,720 ♪ Beware of the wolves my baby ♪ 56 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,400 ♪ They're spying for love ♪ ♪ From the porch tonight ♪ 57 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:28,200 ♪ And as the light begins to dim ♪ ♪ They'll start the skinning ♪ 58 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,920 ♪ Of your innocent body ♪ ♪ Naked in the night ♪ 59 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,760 ♪ So come and shine your light ♪ 60 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:45,240 ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 61 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,720 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 62 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,320 ♪ Shine your light ♪ 63 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,520 (ominous music) 64 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,960 (Ursula) On the 26th of January 1997, 65 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,760 I was working my standby duties. 66 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,360 (pager ringing) 67 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,200 (Ursula) I got a call to contact Algoa Park police station, 68 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,680 and they informed me of an inquiry that was lying there 69 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,600 of a missing child. 70 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,400 (metal hinges squealing) 71 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,960 That inquiry was already lying there for two days, 72 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,720 and they couldn't explain to me why. 73 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,800 I saw that Henry Baker didn't go home from the 22nd of January. 74 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,280 So it's already a week that almost passed 75 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:04,440 before anybody actually noticed that this child is gone. 76 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,840 (camera shutter clicking) 77 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,920 (Ursula) I thought, "No, I can't leave this. 78 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,320 I'm gonna go and make inquiries immediately." 79 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,960 (knocking on door) 80 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,120 (Ursula) I went to his mother's house, Ellen Baker. 81 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,000 She explained to me that 82 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,120 the child was last seen with Stewart Wilken. 83 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,040 And from there, 84 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,400 Henry Baker has disappeared and nobody knew where he was. 85 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,920 (dramatic music) 86 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,880 (Roslyn) The first time that I learned about Stewart Wilken, 87 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,840 also known as "Boetie Boer", was in the 90s. 88 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,640 when I started out as a journalist, at "Die Burger". 89 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,440 I was surprised to hear that 90 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,680 a white man was living in our communities 91 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,000 as if he was born and raised there. 92 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,800 And that he was accepted by the people in the communities. 93 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,560 At that specific time, where everything was-- 94 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,280 wasn't normal, you know, for us. 95 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,120 The unemployment, the uprising that happened. 96 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,960 (crowd shouting/screaming) 97 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,800 (Roslyn) And to learn that he was married to a woman of colour, 98 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,240 that was actually more surprising because at that time, 99 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,000 we didn't hear about marriages between races. 100 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,040 And people calling him "Boetie Boer". Because "Boetie", 101 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,360 is a name that you give to somebody that is family. 102 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,880 In the late 80s and early 90s, there were 103 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,480 three kinds of people in the coloured community. 104 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,560 There were the people that thought and believed that white is right. 105 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:19,360 There was a lot of respect for the white person, for the white man, 106 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,240 because many of them worked for white people. 107 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,800 The second group of people were those people that would embrace everyone, 108 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,360 because in the early years, we were living together 109 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,840 in harmony in South End and Salisbury Park and Fairview and Willowdene. 110 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,080 We lived together in harmony with all races. 111 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,800 And then the third group of people 112 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,920 would be the politically enlightened people, 113 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,840 who would frown upon a white man living in the northern areas 114 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,360 because it's-- because of the white man 115 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,720 that we live where we do live now. 116 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,720 (camera shutter clicking) 117 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,800 -(birds chirping) -(dramatic music) 118 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,520 (Sidney) My experience from dealing with the fishermen is 119 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,240 there was not a lot white men at that stage. 120 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,160 A large part of the local community were your coloured community 121 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,880 that worked on the boats. 122 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,120 If you were to consider the smell, the constant rolling sea, 123 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,200 no proper conditions to prepare meals. 124 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,840 And if you look at some of the fishermen 125 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,560 that you had to share the space with, you had to be a proper seaman. 126 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,000 (engines chugging) 127 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,360 (Sidney) It was tough to work out there. 128 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,920 But for a fisherman that had no education, that was able to fish, 129 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,680 it wasn't something strange for a fisherman that would 130 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,880 have a two-week or a ten-day stint out on the sea 131 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,720 and return and be paid 15,000 rand for those two weeks. 132 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,200 Now, during the 80s, start 90s, it was a lot of money, 133 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,640 um, which made for a lot of people to want 134 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,120 to become involved in that industry. 135 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,000 I spent about ten years with the narcotics branch. 136 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,400 A lot of our attention in our workspace 137 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,640 went into the issue of dagga smuggling. 138 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,600 And we had it on good authority that there was a lot of runner boats 139 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,880 during that period that made sure that your fishermen that worked 140 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:21,440 on those boats were sufficiently stocked with whatever was needed to 141 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,880 make you work those type of hours. 142 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,320 (Interviewee) A number of people are doing a lot of things. 143 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,400 We do have drugs. 144 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,560 (Reporter) Is mandrax a big problem here? 145 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,760 Well, yeah, there are people who are selling drugs. 146 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,680 (Sidney) It was an industry within an industry. 147 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,360 The boats running out to those boats to serve them in that capacity. 148 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,200 (Sidney) Mandrax obviously was a good way to enhance the abilities of 149 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,120 people that worked in these boats. So, I can't generalise and say 150 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,840 all fishermen were using dagga and mandrax. 151 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,560 There was definitely a big enough market to 152 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,800 make it worthwhile for these boats to serve them. 153 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,520 And those were the type of things that made it bearable 154 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,760 for you to be hanging over the boats in the adverse conditions 155 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,880 and make sure the quota is fished up as quickly as possible. 156 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,120 Now, if you're a user, you stay in an environment that 157 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,920 there's a lot of users, there's prostitutes around, 158 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,760 there's a lot of shebeens where the trading of these things 159 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,320 happened and suddenly you're loaded with 15,000 rand 160 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,880 and you return to your space where you stay. 161 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,120 You're gonna be the local hero. 162 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,160 (sinister music) 163 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,120 (camera shutter clicking) 164 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,120 (crowd ululating) 165 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,360 (Ursula) Those years you really had to have a passion 166 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,520 before you made a decision to go to the police. 167 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,560 And when I was little I always used to say I want to be a policewoman. 168 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,920 To see the men have so much control, um, 169 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,320 I think I wanted a little bit of that. 170 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,920 And as a female growing up, it was difficult, 171 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,720 it was difficult living in a man's world. 172 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,400 I decided that I wanna do something 173 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,680 that's worth something to someone else. 174 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,080 I wanted to make sure that children are safe. 175 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,080 (inquisitive music) 176 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,160 (Cherie) So I met Ursula in college, 177 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,880 and when I moved to Child Protection Unit we found each other there. 178 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,760 We were partners at Child Protection Unit 179 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,480 and I absolutely loved working with her. 180 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,160 She was an incredible investigating officer. 181 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,360 And we became very, very good friends. 182 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,160 (Ursula) So, he's been gone a few days, and the last person... 183 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,680 (Cherie) She had a very great suspicion that something is off 184 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,160 and this child might not be around anymore. 185 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,920 (Michael) Twelve months ago we had a Wilken case, a young girl-- 186 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,880 (Ursula) My captain, Michael Shanagan, 187 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,240 informed me that Stewart's daughter, Wuane, was also missing, 188 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,080 and they could never find her body or anything. 189 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,400 I said, "No, something is off. It can't just be coincidence 190 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,360 that two children are seen the last time with the same person, 191 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,520 and disappears." 192 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,480 So, all of us actually went to search for this previous inquiry of Wuane. 193 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Those years, there wasn't anything to link computers, cases. 194 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,720 It made it quite difficult. You had to go physically to the docket store, 195 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,440 go through every docket and go and see what you can find. 196 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,120 -Yes, that's it. Wuane Wilken. -(Michael) Well done. 197 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,520 (Cherie) But it came to a point where we decided we have to bring 198 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,360 the suspect by the name of Stewart Wilken 199 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,600 and they called-- His alias was "Boetie Boer", 200 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,480 bring him in for questioning. 201 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,200 As a white man, you're going to be standing out 202 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,320 like a sore thumb in that community. 203 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,200 (Roslyn) I think he could fit in very well, 204 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,360 because of his interactions and his being colleagues, 205 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:15,640 if you can say that, with his fellow fishermen. 206 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,920 He has learned the language, he has learned the slang, 207 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,680 and in that way he could mask who he actually was. 208 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,680 (suspense music) 209 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,280 (knocking on door) 210 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,960 (Ursula) Veronica is Stewart's current wife. 211 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,440 ...with the Child Protection Unit... 212 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,240 I'm here to speak to your husband, Stewart, is he here at the moment? 213 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,520 She said, No, he's not staying here, 214 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,880 but he will come back later that day, and then she will contact me. 215 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,480 (Veronica) Okay, I'll tell him you were here. 216 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,440 Have a good day. Thank you. 217 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,280 (Ursula) A few hours later, I get a call from Veronica 218 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,840 to say that Stewart is now at her house. 219 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,640 (Sidney) He had a very intimidating presence about him. 220 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,440 He looked the part also. 221 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,760 He looked scary in terms of his physique. 222 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:36,360 He wasn't kept properly. 223 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,880 And considering his circumstances, 224 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,920 you could understand it maybe, but yes, no, no, he was-- 225 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,120 He had a scary, scary persona. 226 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,000 (car door opening) 227 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,000 (Ursula) So we took his statement at that stage, 228 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,320 asking him where he was and where he gave his alibi, 229 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,160 that he slept in Missionvale the previous night 230 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,080 um, at a friend's house, called Whitey. 231 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,360 The next day we went to Whitey's house. 232 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,480 I still remember it was very early, and when I got to Whitey's house, 233 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,200 Stewart was there, 234 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,160 busy making porridge and potato skins for the kids. 235 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,480 (Ursula) I will never forget that because he was quite nice 236 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,760 to the kids, and he came forward as being a nice guy. 237 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,200 Just a normal guy that really cared for kids. 238 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,120 (ominous music) 239 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,200 (Ursula) I left. I didn't talk to Whitey immediately, or anyone there. 240 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:19,440 I went back later on to follow up with his alibi, 241 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,680 and I was told that he didn't sleep there the previous night. 242 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,920 So, nothing was making sense at that point. 243 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,520 It was already eight days that Henry was missing at this point, 244 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,160 um, so we needed to arrest Stewart to interview him further 245 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,760 in regards to finding Henry. 246 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,960 On the 31st of Jan, 1997, we went back to the docks. 247 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,200 Myself, Cherie Kruger and Michael Shanagan. 248 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,040 We were driving into the port when 249 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Stewart was busy walking out with a bag. 250 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,720 We stopped the car next to him, where I actually read his rights to him. 251 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,920 (ominous music) 252 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,880 (Derrik) So my name is Derrik Norsworthy. Born and bred PE boy. 253 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,680 A former murder and robbery detective. 254 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,640 And I was the lead investigator in '97. 255 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,960 The Stewart Wilken serial killer. 256 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,040 (Cherie) Derrik was at the murder and robbery unit at that stage. 257 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,880 He was very, very well known. 258 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,040 He was an incredible investigating officer. 259 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,040 He actually dealt with very high priority cases. 260 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,240 So, we knew that we could trust him to assist us with our case. 261 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,480 That's why we decided to actually approach him. 262 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,000 (Derrik) So this would have been the start of the 263 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,320 CBD for the city from basically its beginning. 264 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,920 Very colonialist built. 265 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,120 This taxi rank is a good memory. Well, a funny but good memory 266 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:52,120 because I once chased a guy and had a shoot-out with him. 267 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,440 I grew up here, central, 268 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,760 close to where several of the murders took place. 269 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,160 I played in the parks where the bodies where found. 270 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,960 So, I am middle-class family, average boy. 271 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Went on to a distinguished career in the forces. 272 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080 And then left in 2006. 273 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,840 (dramatic music) 274 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,320 (Derrik) So, they brought him to our office. 275 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,560 What we basically set up and planned was 276 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,280 that I would sit in the first wooden cubicle with him 277 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,680 and he didn't obviously know this, but there would be 278 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,800 two other murder and robbery guys sitting on the other side, 279 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,680 as well as Ursula and Cherie. 280 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,240 So if something went south or went wrong, they could come to my aid. 281 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,040 And then once he walked into the office and sat down, 282 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,320 I took my firearm out and then went and locked it in a cabinet 283 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,200 behind him, purposely, 284 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,400 to show him that we weren't antagonistic towards him. 285 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,160 There's no fear from outside to talk to him. 286 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,000 We were gonna have this friendly conversation between the two of us, 287 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,760 and basically see if we could establish 288 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,960 what had taken place with the Baker's case. 289 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,240 The basic conversation started with the warnings, which is always legal. 290 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,960 He was again confident now. 291 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,760 "I've got no reason. I don't know why I'm here." 292 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,920 "I don't know why everyone thinks I did something to this poor boy. 293 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,480 Blah, blah, blah. I knew him." "I dated the mother." 294 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,120 So, you know, he used facts and he stated things which, 295 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,200 by nature of this kind of investigation 296 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,640 might put you at ease that, "I don't really know why I'm here. 297 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,000 I've got nothing to hide. I'll talk to you, whatever you wanna know." 298 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,000 (eerie music) 299 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,560 (Derrik) So while I was interviewing, I had a picture of my own daughter 300 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,880 in a little pink dress with these piercing blue eyes standing staring, 301 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,440 and I kept watching his face staring up at her, you know? 302 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,440 (eerie music) 303 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,400 (Cherie) We were in the office adjoining to that. 304 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,400 It was actually a drywall, so we could hear the conversation 305 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,640 that was transpiring. 306 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,080 He was very calm and collected. He really seemed like an ordinary guy. 307 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Nothing, you know, that would have said, 308 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,400 "Oh, my goodness, this guy is off the rails." 309 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,960 It literally took hours and hours and we were pacing up and down 310 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,720 and we were anxious and then we would think, 311 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,800 "Okay, this is it. Now he's going to admit." 312 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,080 And then he would stop and he would go into another direction. 313 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,400 So, it was really extremely nerve-wracking. 314 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,960 At no point in time while the interview was going on 315 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:45,000 did we really know whether this guy was going to admit to anything. 316 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,600 (telephone ringing) 317 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,480 (Derrik) A robbery case came in and because I was on standby 318 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840 I had to attend, so I left the site. 319 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,720 (Derrik) Listen, I've been called into a robbery case. 320 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,800 Do you mind taking over? 321 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,440 (ominous music) 322 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,920 (Ursula) I was sitting with Stewart alone in the office 323 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,840 while Derrik went to attend to the scene. 324 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,720 Stewart was very quiet but looked around him all the time. 325 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,080 I think we didn't even have a metre between us. 326 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,960 I still remember seeing the tog bag but thinking 327 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,040 we never actually went through the tog bag 328 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,040 and there I'm sitting alone with Stewart in a room 329 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320 that we thought might have murdered someone 330 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,240 and I kind of felt uncomfortable at that moment. 331 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,000 It felt to me like Stewart was looking right through me. 332 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,920 I still remember he was talking about when he was young, 333 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,760 but he didn't divulge anything about 334 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,160 all the bad stuff that happened to him. 335 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,720 He made it out as if he had a very good life 336 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,000 and talking about everything, and his daughter, 337 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,240 and he still mentioned that he actually misses his daughter 338 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,440 and he doesn't know why she had to be taken from him. 339 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,720 It feels like everybody's taken from him. 340 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,320 I just looked at Stewart and I'm like, "Where's this coming from?" 341 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,120 I didn't talk a lot and I was quite confused 342 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,280 because now suddenly he began to look different to me. 343 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,600 It's as if he became a different person in that room. 344 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,600 (ominous music) 345 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,280 The hair that was so neatly combed, wasn't neat anymore. 346 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,520 He was going through his hair all the time with his hands. 347 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,280 He became agitated in that room, as if something was pushing him. 348 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,920 Suddenly he opened his tog bag. 349 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,000 He took out a knife, quite a big fisherman's knife. 350 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,880 Then he took out a woollen beanie. 351 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,760 And he is sitting with me alone with this knife 352 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,720 and he puts this beanie on his head. 353 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,960 And then he said to me, "Do you wanna see them? 354 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,520 Do you wanna see their bodies?" 355 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,800 (eerie music) 356 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,520 (door opening) 357 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520 (Ursula) And at that moment Derrik and them, 358 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,720 I heard the guys came back from the scene. 359 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,120 So I ran out of the office and I'm like, 360 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,480 "This guy is saying, do we want to go and see him?" 361 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,040 That's when Derrik went into the office 362 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,440 and started talking to Stewart. 363 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,360 (Derrik) When I walked in, I told him I'd been trained by the FBI 364 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,600 and I could see after that his demeanour sort of changed. 365 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,720 You know, he became a lot more, "Oh, okay, okay." 366 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,920 And then it was-- At one point he got to the point where he said to me, 367 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,240 "I want you to take me now to the Elizabeth Donkin hospital 368 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840 because I'm mad. I'm insane." 369 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,040 So the interview with the break had been going on for about four hours. 370 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,840 We'd provided him food, so we'd have a bit of a chow together. 371 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,400 Establishing this rapport which is part and parcel of what we do. 372 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,520 It got to the point where I told him, 373 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,040 "Listen mate, you're not going to any mental institution 374 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,680 and, you know, we've got enough evidence at the moment against you 375 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,040 to potentially detain you. So, you know, 376 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,160 your chances of going home tonight is not gonna take place." 377 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,840 So I mean, the interview changed. 378 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080 He kept on looking up at my daughter's picture. 379 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,360 At one point, he just straightened his arms like this 380 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,000 and he made his eyes like this, and he jumped up and said, 381 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,280 (tape recorder whirring) 382 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,880 (Derrik) For me, it was about making sure the process is right. 383 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,640 I considered it to be a once off opportunity. 384 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,040 Evidence gathering, in line with the law. 385 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,840 Realising obviously, this would be a high court matter 386 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,560 and there was no way we would have even attempted it without the lawyer. 387 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,560 -(dogs barking) -(birds chirping) 388 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,640 (Alwyn) I'm an attorney of the High Court of South Africa. 389 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,480 During the late 90s I was the attorney for Stewart Wilken, 390 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,360 alias "Boetie Boer". 391 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,680 I represent persons 392 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,840 being prosecuted for different crimes. 393 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,680 I do not necessarily defend these persons. 394 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:53,000 I convey their defence to the court to the best of my ability 395 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,800 because they lack the knowledge 396 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,200 and the know-how of the litigation process in court. 397 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,200 (telephone ringing) 398 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,560 (Alwyn) I was on holiday at the time with family of mine 399 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,960 and it was... early evening, late afternoon 400 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,760 when I received a telephone call from Warrant Officer Derrik Norsworthy. 401 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,240 I took the call and I could then immediately sense that 402 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,880 something was untoward. 403 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,120 I was told by Derrik that Stewart Wilken had been picked up. 404 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,120 He gave me the background as to the child that had disappeared 405 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,040 and the fact that he was the last person seen 406 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,920 in the company of the child. 407 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:48,520 He indicated to me that they are busy questioning Stewart Wilken, 408 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,800 and that Stewart indicated that he would like me to be present 409 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,400 during the questioning. 410 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,840 (Derrik) I confronted him with the fact that we had evidence against him 411 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,960 which proved he was lying about Bakers. 412 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,240 We had evidence against him with relation to his-- 413 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,040 his daughter's disappearance. 414 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,640 And then he looked at me and he said, "Do you want all 12 of them?" 415 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,000 So I call that my kakking-in-the-broeks moment. 416 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,560 It's that moment where you know for the first time, 417 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,560 uh, I don't know how else to say this. 418 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960 You know why God put you in a place. 419 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,920 So you go through training, things happen to you. You get these breaks 420 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,240 and it's always lekker to have it and you think it's 421 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:32,040 nice to be able to put it on your wall, get certificates, but 422 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,080 I don't believe God does that for-- By chance, you know? 423 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,480 So you're sitting in this moment, you know why you're here 424 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,120 and we've got what we call a "live one" sitting in front of you. 425 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,600 So, at that point it's make or break. 426 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,680 (Alwyn) He indicated to me that Stewart Wilken wants to confess. 427 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,480 I was flabbergasted. 428 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,600 And I was then told that he wants to go do a pointing out 429 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,400 of the body of this young boy. 430 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,400 (ominous music) 431 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:11,320 (Leon) I was a state advocate based in Port Elizabeth, 432 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,840 and I was the state advocate responsible for prosecuting the 433 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,120 case against Stewart Wilken in 1998. 434 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,880 It was probably the biggest case of my career at that stage. 435 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,120 I'd never come across anything like this where you have multiple murders. 436 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,520 I think the concept of serial killer was at that stage 437 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,040 relatively unknown in our country. 438 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,920 It was, to an extent, overwhelming 439 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,120 because it started reaching media attention 440 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,640 and I'm a person who don't like the limelight 441 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,360 but I mean, I the pressure, but I had the benefit of having 442 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,360 a strong team around me to support me. 443 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,280 (Brett) The newspapers back in those days were the only real source of 444 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,480 accurate information because the trouble with radio and television, 445 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,680 it was all controlled by the SABC which was state controlled. 446 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,960 So the newspapers played a huge role in people's lives. 447 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,360 People used to queue up outside Newspaper House to buy newspapers 448 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,800 and I think the broader community 449 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,440 relied on the Herald and the Evening Post, as it was then, 450 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,560 to get that information which they couldn't get anywhere else. 451 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,000 In 1997, when he was arrested 452 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,120 it sounded like something out of a movie. 453 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,800 (sinister music) 454 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,280 (Brett) Suddenly, we had a serial killer like, 455 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,720 the likes of a Station Strangler, or an ABC Killer. 456 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,960 His name was Stewart "Boetie Boer" Wilken, 457 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,760 and his crimes were just as bad, if not worse. 458 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,520 The public's perception of crimes like what they read about 459 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,200 happening in Cape Town and Johannesburg 460 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,040 were now on their doorstep, and it was quite horrifying. 461 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,520 (Veronica) The police say the cause of death is due to strangulation. 462 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,880 Most of the stories we covered were domestic violence. 463 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,760 In court, as I heard psychologists and 464 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,920 psychiatrists being in the witness box 465 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,320 they always refer to the fact that it was low income, 466 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,120 low education and things like that that actually led to this. 467 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,080 So domestic violence, child abuse, those kind of things were really bad. 468 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,840 And it actually still is, because the media was now more open 469 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:09,480 and we could report on everything which we were prohibited previously. 470 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,320 But when the Boetie Boer case broke, it was on the lips of everyone. 471 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,560 Port Elizabeth is a city, 472 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,520 but in cases like this it becomes a small town. 473 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,800 And everybody talks about it, and everybody asks you, 474 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,480 especially us being journalists, "Do you know anything more?" 475 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,920 I remember some of the reports really revealed some 476 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,720 gruesome facts that we got from the crime reports. 477 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,400 Like women's bodies being mutilated. 478 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,000 Having sex with the bodies of the people that you murdered. 479 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,360 Then going back. I remember the one body was 480 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,160 so mutilated, it was cannibalism. People were so shocked about this. 481 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,040 (ominous music) 482 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,600 (Brett) These details emerged in '97 and of course, 483 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,040 thereafter for the next year, 484 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,240 between his arrest and his conviction and sentencing in early '98. 485 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,080 Everyone knew "Boetie Boer". 486 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,600 (Leon) In this case, the investigation 487 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960 was not yet totally complete. 488 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,320 I think that the first two cases had been in the docket, 489 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,600 but there were a variety of other cases that 490 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,000 were still being investigated because Mr Wilken made a confession, 491 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,880 which he admitted to a number of offences. 492 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,200 We had to go and find those cases in the archives. Unsolved murders. 493 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,040 And so, at an early stage, after having been assigned the case 494 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,280 I started engaging with the head investigating officer, 495 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,080 Derrik Norsworthy. 496 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,120 (Derrik) The only two victims that were different 497 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,520 his daughter, and Henry Baker. 498 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,360 (Leon) The big challenge obviously was 499 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,640 to understand how we're going to present this evidence. 500 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,080 How we're going to prove these offences 501 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,280 especially if everything is placed into dispute. 502 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,520 Some of these cases were quite old. I had to go and visit all the scenes. 503 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,800 Look at all the footage, photographs. 504 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,600 Interview the witnesses that were still around. 505 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,120 It was quite a lengthy process until we came up with 506 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,320 a final charge sheet where we were confident and we were able to prove 507 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,800 X number of cases. There were 10 murders that we 508 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920 prosecuted Mr Wilken with, eventually. 509 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,600 And that trial started about a year later, after his arrest. 510 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,680 -I think it was February 1998. -(dramatic music) 511 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,200 (electric gate buzzing) 512 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,880 (metal hinges squeaking) 513 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,600 (Alwyn) What happened is, I explained to Stewart Wilken at the time. 514 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,600 I said, "The evidence against you is overwhelming. 515 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,080 Whether you receive life on one count 516 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,800 or life on several counts, life is life." 517 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,160 If it is your instruction that we plead guilty to these charges 518 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,440 in order for us to place a better picture in front of the court 519 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,240 in order for the court to understand who and what he is dealing with 520 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,520 it would be a lot better to have all the information 521 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,440 and place all the information in front of court at one stage. 522 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,880 Well, the fact is, you are going to prison. There's no way to avoid it. 523 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,560 So in light thereof, I asked Boetie Boer to tell me what happened, 524 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,880 when did it happen, how did it happen, 525 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,120 what took place and he volunteered the information. 526 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,640 It was not as if I had to drag anything from him. 527 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,720 He sat there as if he was very proud 528 00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,520 uh, telling me these things that he did. 529 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,200 It's difficult to be objective. If you sit across a person 530 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,800 and this person is relaying to you how he committed murders, 531 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:19,720 and it is clear that there's-- there's no remorse. 532 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,520 He relayed the information to me as if the world owed him. 533 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,160 Whatever happened was not as a result of him. 534 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,680 He is the victim. 535 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,120 And everybody needs to see him as the victim 536 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,200 and see him in that light as well. 537 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,120 Even when speaking about the murders that he committed 538 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,560 he would try and convey the message, 539 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,160 "It would never have happened 540 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,720 if such and such and such, did not happen to me." 541 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,440 (tape cassette player whirring) 542 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,160 (sombre music) 543 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,920 (Gérard) The reason why I wanted to go see Stewart is his case 544 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,240 was very different to the average South African serial murderers. 545 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,320 So Stewart was unique in the sense that he was a white male 546 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,680 and he had targeted literally just about every kind of group 547 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,240 of category of people we had in South Africa. 548 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:54,800 He targeted adult sex workers, coloured and black. 549 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,680 The sex workers were female. He had black street children who were boys. 550 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,240 And then in terms of the activities, we had paedophilia cannibalism, 551 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:09,920 necrophilia, incest, and that's just such a wide spectrum. 552 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,720 You know, the necrophilia is not a very common thing amongst all 553 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,040 murder series, even internationally. 554 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,760 You know, I had a few cases in South Africa that 555 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,840 had cannibalism as an element. But it was very, very rare. 556 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,160 You know, often when you meet these people you only know them 557 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,120 through the crimes they've committed. So of course you're gonna build up 558 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,960 this image that they're these horrific monsters 559 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,640 and that is a portion of who they are if you look at what they've done. 560 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,160 So your other 99.9999 recurring percent of this person's life 561 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,880 he's doing the things that everybody else is doing. 562 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,440 You know, working, fighting. I mean, not necessarily good things 563 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040 but he's doing the things that the majority of the population are doing. 564 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,680 Going to the toilet, trying to get food. 565 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,560 So we have far more in common with these offenders. 566 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,040 Yet we tend to sort of, only try intentionally or unintentionally 567 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,360 formulate our understanding of them through the crimes they've committed. 568 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,760 So whenever you do meet them, it's not what you expect. 569 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,640 (tender music) 570 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,800 (Gérard) It doesn't look like this monster that 571 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,960 you've built up in your mind. They are more relatable than not 572 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,560 and which is typically why people say, 573 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,680 "I can't believe that so-and-so was arrested. 574 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,520 They've got the wrong person." 575 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,920 You know, until that individual starts to confess and point out 576 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,720 all the crimes he's committed. 577 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,280 So I think part of what makes serial murder so terrifying 578 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,200 is that it's literally the person next door, that you've worked with 579 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,800 for however many years, who was your neighbour, 580 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,880 you might have even dated at some point, who is the serial murderer. 581 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,560 And that's what's so scary, how do you differentiate from them? 582 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,960 Because in their normal life, they look exactly like us. 583 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,000 It's only through their crimes that they're so different to us. 584 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,560 (indistinct shouting in distance) 585 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,480 (Gérard) What we do know is, he was born in November 1964. 586 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,640 Then at some point, the mother and her partner 587 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,600 relocated to Port Elizabeth. 588 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,920 And it's here in Port Elizabeth where Stewart Wilken and his sister 589 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,840 are allegedly abandoned and literally found, 590 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,160 by the first home that takes them in, in a telephone booth. 591 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,560 But sadly, according to Stewart the Du Plessis aren't motivated by 592 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,480 the altruistic need to help children who have been abandoned. 593 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,240 They're motivated by the financial grants that they're getting from 594 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,680 the government for looking after foster kids. 595 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,840 So, it's not a happy life. 52178

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