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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,197 --> 00:00:02,947 (static hissing) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:18,828 --> 00:00:20,790 - [Rusty] Our dearly beloved vinyl records 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,000 have been stimulating listeners and collectors 6 00:00:23,050 --> 00:00:24,650 since the 1800s. 7 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:26,530 Last year in the United States alone, 8 00:00:26,580 --> 00:00:30,490 vinyl sales were over 1000% higher than a decade prior. 9 00:00:30,540 --> 00:00:33,750 How did this sexy little piece of plastic come to be, 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,220 and how has it evolved over the ages? 11 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:38,190 Sit back and relax. 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,176 We're about to take you for a spin. 13 00:00:40,226 --> 00:00:43,393 (upbeat groovy music) 14 00:00:59,730 --> 00:01:02,850 - When vinyl was the only format, the record came out 15 00:01:02,900 --> 00:01:05,040 and it sounded like what it sounded like. 16 00:01:05,090 --> 00:01:06,063 - Vinyl was the thing that we sell the most 17 00:01:06,113 --> 00:01:08,750 of and that's how we stay in business and... 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,260 - What I would say a vinyl is you get 19 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:12,350 this great moment in time that the artist 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,510 wanted to present to you. 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,170 - [Pete] I think that people enjoy vinyl 22 00:01:15,220 --> 00:01:19,000 because they enjoy a tangible product. 23 00:01:19,050 --> 00:01:20,600 - Some kids grew up in a vinyl home. 24 00:01:20,650 --> 00:01:22,330 And so they got a turntable 25 00:01:22,380 --> 00:01:24,260 and they're stealing their parents' records. 26 00:01:24,310 --> 00:01:27,870 There's other kids that had no connection to it whatsoever. 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,769 And so to them, it's a brand new thing. 28 00:01:30,819 --> 00:01:32,920 It's like a new technology. 29 00:01:32,970 --> 00:01:35,270 - All ages, any age, 30 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:37,880 loves the feeling of coming to a record store, 31 00:01:37,930 --> 00:01:39,260 browsing through the records. 32 00:01:39,310 --> 00:01:41,336 - 'Cause it's not just side A and side B. 33 00:01:41,386 --> 00:01:44,960 It's the sequence of the song. 34 00:01:45,010 --> 00:01:46,820 - Like to be able to pick up a record. 35 00:01:46,870 --> 00:01:48,557 - Dudes come in with gray hair and they go, 36 00:01:48,607 --> 00:01:50,810 "You're playing that on vinyl? 37 00:01:50,860 --> 00:01:51,870 I used to have that record." 38 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,990 People who like to tell you 39 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,639 that they used to have that record. 40 00:01:54,689 --> 00:01:57,359 - Remember having a single by this fella called Hawkwind. 41 00:01:57,409 --> 00:01:58,613 Something called Silver Machine. 42 00:01:58,663 --> 00:02:01,035 I thought, what a strange name for the bloke. 43 00:02:01,085 --> 00:02:04,200 - Boom, you drop down the records. 44 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:06,390 You just won. (laughs) 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,050 - Genesis Seconds Out, and I was off school. 46 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:11,440 I thought, well I'll borrow that and give it a listen. 47 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:12,750 And it was super ready. 48 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,930 I put the wrong side, I didn't put side one up 49 00:02:14,980 --> 00:02:16,940 put side three on, which is the whole, the Soviet 50 00:02:16,990 --> 00:02:18,787 that was the solely, the second of Genesis. 51 00:02:18,837 --> 00:02:20,108 I don't know, my God. (laughs) 52 00:02:20,158 --> 00:02:23,890 - Anyone would just love to come into a record store. 53 00:02:23,940 --> 00:02:25,700 - [Dave] The appeal of it is the records 54 00:02:25,750 --> 00:02:28,240 that they're actually, it's a good size. 55 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:30,240 It's like it fits in your hands. 56 00:02:30,290 --> 00:02:31,580 - [Sharone] Something special about it. 57 00:02:31,630 --> 00:02:36,110 - If Spotify goes away, if there's the big electronic blip 58 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,090 and all your MP3s get burned out 59 00:02:38,140 --> 00:02:39,700 or how many people have lost hard drives 60 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:41,770 of all their MP3s over the years? 61 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:44,160 A record is something that sits around forever. 62 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:45,960 - Everything you watch on television, 63 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:47,250 there's always a record player. 64 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,110 - Like when vinyl was coming back, I could tell 65 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,440 because all of a sudden you would see it 66 00:02:51,490 --> 00:02:53,820 in TV shows and in commercials. 67 00:02:53,870 --> 00:02:56,810 - I swear every show, every movie now that's been made 68 00:02:56,860 --> 00:02:58,930 in the last five, six years. 69 00:02:58,980 --> 00:03:00,020 - Hey, it's cool. 70 00:03:00,070 --> 00:03:02,100 They're listening to records. 71 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:03,350 - [Rusty] Emile Berliner launched 72 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,740 the first 78 gramophone record in 1889. 73 00:03:06,790 --> 00:03:08,640 The first vinyl discs were made 74 00:03:08,690 --> 00:03:11,110 for playback a 33 1/3 RPM 75 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,020 and pressed on to 12 inch diameter, flexible plastic desks. 76 00:03:15,070 --> 00:03:17,120 These however were commercial flop 77 00:03:17,170 --> 00:03:19,620 due to consumer hesitance during the great depression. 78 00:03:19,670 --> 00:03:21,970 However, in 1939 79 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:25,680 Columbia Records expanded the realms of vinyl technology. 80 00:03:25,730 --> 00:03:29,710 And in 1948, Columbia introduced a 12 inch long play 81 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,760 33 RPM micro groove record AKA the birth of the LP. 82 00:03:35,793 --> 00:03:37,360 - I mean, I guess there's two things. 83 00:03:37,410 --> 00:03:41,870 There's the listening experience, which I've compared to, 84 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,540 it's more like watching a film 85 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:46,080 where I think digital audio 86 00:03:46,130 --> 00:03:48,590 is more like watching reality TV. 87 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,780 - I'll give you an example 88 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:52,150 like just looking through like this box of records 89 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,414 and seeing a Bruce Springsteen record, a steely Dan record 90 00:03:56,464 --> 00:03:59,320 - I think it was Bon Jovi, I bought a 45. 91 00:03:59,370 --> 00:04:01,400 My mom would buy a 45 records tour. 92 00:04:01,450 --> 00:04:03,490 - You like start to think about that song. 93 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:05,840 You start to think when that song came out, 94 00:04:05,890 --> 00:04:07,700 when was the first time you heard that song? 95 00:04:07,750 --> 00:04:10,710 And it just brings back emotions and memories. 96 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,910 And that's what's really special 97 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,310 about music in general. 98 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,890 - Vinyl, when it was first created, you know 99 00:04:16,940 --> 00:04:19,810 you could have, you know, you can listen to a band at home. 100 00:04:19,860 --> 00:04:20,870 You didn't have to go 101 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,440 out to some place to see musicians play, 102 00:04:24,490 --> 00:04:26,670 to hear a song or listen to it on the radio. 103 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,930 You could actually listen to the actual songs 104 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:32,770 of the actual people you wanted to hear at any time. 105 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:35,790 - But when you listen to a vinyl record, it's like sitting 106 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,400 down and watching like a foreign film with subtitles 107 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:40,200 where you, if you enjoy that thing 108 00:04:40,250 --> 00:04:42,290 you have to really pay attention to it. 109 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:44,180 - I like the experience. 110 00:04:44,230 --> 00:04:46,730 I love the experience of dropping the needle 111 00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:48,740 on the record and having to go back 112 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:50,650 and, okay record's done, 113 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:52,920 gotta flip it over, clean it 114 00:04:52,970 --> 00:04:55,360 it's sort of, more of a ritual thing. 115 00:04:55,410 --> 00:04:57,410 - And then you get up and you flip the record. 116 00:04:57,460 --> 00:04:58,790 It's kind of like a little intermission 117 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:00,702 and you listen to it like the artist in intended. 118 00:05:00,752 --> 00:05:01,760 (gentle music) 119 00:05:01,810 --> 00:05:03,490 - [Rusty] It was Columbia Records engineer, 120 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:06,820 Peter Carl Goldmark who first sat with his team of engineers 121 00:05:06,870 --> 00:05:10,650 in 1939 to evolve the 78 RPM record 122 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:13,750 and move forward to 33 1/3 RPM 123 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,590 extend playback time to more than 20 minutes per site 124 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,470 and trim vinyl groups down to an accessible, 125 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,850 acceptable millimeter size. 126 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:24,700 This stroke of genius changed music forever. 127 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:27,600 And the rest, as they say is history. 128 00:05:27,650 --> 00:05:28,800 - When you put on a record 129 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:31,610 you are putting on a specific artist. 130 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:34,070 - There is a frill when you buy that record 131 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,653 for the record when it arrives for me, 132 00:05:38,340 --> 00:05:40,560 sometimes my hands are shaking. 133 00:05:40,610 --> 00:05:43,610 - With vinyl, there is something, 134 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:46,200 it goes deeper than just nostalgia. 135 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:48,190 - And I can't wait to get back to my parents' house 136 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,230 "and take their copy of, Are You Experienced" 137 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:53,630 Jimi Hendrix's record because there's a specific skip 138 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,590 in one of the songs that I can't hear the song 139 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,150 without that skip, and I need that copy, 140 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,830 'cause I'll never be able to hear the song 141 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,270 right again, unless I get that. 142 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,230 And that's another thing I love about vinyl. 143 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:06,130 - And you have all the cool bonus stuff. 144 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:07,880 You've got line, you know 145 00:06:07,930 --> 00:06:10,920 giant liner notes and big artwork. 146 00:06:10,970 --> 00:06:12,960 And it's just so much more engaging 147 00:06:13,010 --> 00:06:16,320 than listening to digital streaming. 148 00:06:16,370 --> 00:06:20,170 - You know, that that $15, $20, $25 you're spending 149 00:06:20,220 --> 00:06:22,720 at the march table or buying off a band camp 150 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:24,850 or buying at a local record store 151 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:28,070 is supporting somebody within your community. 152 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,560 - I don't really care whether the record is beat up 153 00:06:31,610 --> 00:06:33,510 or has scratches on 'em. 154 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,200 I have a memory of finding it and that memory stays 155 00:06:37,250 --> 00:06:39,271 with me whenever I see the record, you know? 156 00:06:39,321 --> 00:06:42,570 - It's like "Rumors," Fleetwood Mac recap. 157 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:43,860 It's been like 10 years 158 00:06:43,910 --> 00:06:46,780 we sell it probably more than anything else. 159 00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:51,830 And you know, just when you think like there's no way 160 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:55,383 anyone else in the world could need that record 161 00:06:55,433 --> 00:06:57,427 have a look and we're almost out of it. 162 00:06:57,477 --> 00:06:59,920 And I have to order like a ton more and... 163 00:06:59,970 --> 00:07:01,427 - No one really cared about CDs. 164 00:07:01,477 --> 00:07:03,860 CDs were cool because you could put a bunch 165 00:07:03,910 --> 00:07:05,400 in an envelope and take them to your car. 166 00:07:05,450 --> 00:07:06,653 And they were portable, 167 00:07:08,350 --> 00:07:11,660 but there was nothing sexy about them. 168 00:07:11,710 --> 00:07:15,400 Like no one, you know, like, no one's excited 169 00:07:15,450 --> 00:07:18,420 about the 3000 CDs they have on a rack in their living room. 170 00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:20,250 No one cares about that. 171 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:21,780 - No matter how expensive it is, 172 00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:25,040 I might be able to buy the album for two pounds on the CD. 173 00:07:25,090 --> 00:07:25,940 I'm not interested. 174 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:27,440 I just want the real deal. 175 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:30,190 - Experience of seeing someone play vinyl 176 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,023 and gets people to talk about it. 177 00:07:31,073 --> 00:07:32,430 And it gets people to come 178 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,600 up to me and say, "I have that record." 179 00:07:34,650 --> 00:07:35,650 Or, "I used to have that." 180 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:38,450 Or "Do you have this version of that record?" 181 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,873 Oh, the German Pressing is so much better than this 182 00:07:40,923 --> 00:07:44,696 it can bring up so much conversation. 183 00:07:44,746 --> 00:07:47,329 (gentle music) 184 00:07:49,210 --> 00:07:51,380 - [Rusty] You don't have to go far to find a record store 185 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:52,970 in all four corners of the world 186 00:07:53,020 --> 00:07:55,270 coast to coast, high and low. 187 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,317 There's always a little place you can find 188 00:07:56,367 --> 00:07:59,160 that will deliver the goods. 189 00:07:59,210 --> 00:08:02,378 Just like this one, in Lincoln Park, Chicago, Illinois. 190 00:08:02,428 --> 00:08:05,690 (gentle music) 191 00:08:05,740 --> 00:08:06,630 - I'm Dave Crane. 192 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:07,663 I'm the owner of Dave's Records 193 00:08:07,713 --> 00:08:10,670 at 2,604 North Clark in Chicago. 194 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,480 We're in the Lincoln Park neighborhood 195 00:08:12,530 --> 00:08:15,110 about a mile and a half south of Wrigley Field. 196 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,743 (gentle music) 197 00:08:19,450 --> 00:08:20,440 You can come in and shop 198 00:08:20,490 --> 00:08:24,150 but we're just doing, in the middle of doing an interview. 199 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,090 You don't have to go away. 200 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:29,520 Okay, some people don't wanna be on camera. 201 00:08:29,570 --> 00:08:32,153 (gentle music) 202 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:40,600 I got into the record store business 35 years ago, 203 00:08:40,650 --> 00:08:42,570 I got a job at a chain store 204 00:08:42,620 --> 00:08:45,180 called Musicland, which no longer exists 205 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:49,420 back when records were actually still the top format. 206 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:53,620 The first day on the job I unboxed about 500 copies 207 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:55,350 of Michael Jackson thriller. 208 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,327 I kept cutting open the boxes go, 209 00:08:57,377 --> 00:09:00,300 "More thriller." 210 00:09:00,350 --> 00:09:02,540 So there, I found an ad in the paper for a job 211 00:09:02,590 --> 00:09:05,280 at this chain, which used to be called Second Hand Tunes. 212 00:09:05,330 --> 00:09:06,880 And I worked for the original owner. 213 00:09:06,930 --> 00:09:08,460 He sold it to an internet company. 214 00:09:08,510 --> 00:09:12,210 They went bankrupt out of the bankruptcy in 2002. 215 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:13,060 I bought the store 216 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:17,400 so I've owned it as Dave's Records for about 20 years. 217 00:09:17,450 --> 00:09:21,813 But, I've been working here forever for 35 years. 218 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:25,440 I think the favorite part 219 00:09:25,490 --> 00:09:28,690 of the vinyl business is on any given day 220 00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:30,900 I can have new information brought to me 221 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:34,260 a new record will come in, I've never seen it before. 222 00:09:34,310 --> 00:09:35,507 I'll pick it up and go, 223 00:09:35,557 --> 00:09:38,860 "This looks more interesting than what I think." 224 00:09:38,910 --> 00:09:40,250 I don't know anything about this. 225 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:42,647 And then you put it on and it's terrible, 226 00:09:42,697 --> 00:09:46,330 "Oh my God, how do people not know about this record?" 227 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:49,420 So there's always more to learn with records. 228 00:09:49,470 --> 00:09:52,500 And you know, I think with records 229 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:55,840 it's like some things bring you back to, you know 230 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:58,560 when you were a teenager, it brings you back 231 00:09:58,610 --> 00:10:01,950 to times in your life and with music itself 232 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,860 the thing I love about it is it's a very emotional 233 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:08,030 tied to the actual sound. 234 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,330 You know, there are certain songs you hear 235 00:10:09,380 --> 00:10:11,897 that it's like, "Oh yeah, that was that party." 236 00:10:13,406 --> 00:10:16,300 You know, so I think music itself, 237 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:18,310 whether it's on vinyl or in any format 238 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,370 I think the music itself is just such an emotional 239 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:24,260 and important thing in all of our lives. 240 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:25,820 Don't worry, you can just shop around us. 241 00:10:25,870 --> 00:10:28,020 We're just doing an interview, ignore us. 242 00:10:28,070 --> 00:10:31,041 You're not mic'd, we won't put you on. (laughs) 243 00:10:31,091 --> 00:10:33,674 (gentle music) 244 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,013 We've been buying records for 35 years at this store. 245 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,977 There's never been a time where it's like, 246 00:10:42,027 --> 00:10:43,620 "Oh my God, what am I gonna do? 247 00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:45,840 Where vinyls come from?" 248 00:10:45,890 --> 00:10:47,830 So I'm just at the point now 249 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,650 where if people have stuff to sell, I mean 250 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:51,600 just before you came in, 251 00:10:51,650 --> 00:10:52,460 there was a guy that came in 252 00:10:52,510 --> 00:10:53,950 and I got a stack of records here. 253 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,380 He's gonna come back later. 254 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:59,240 And, you know, that's how the used stuff comes in. 255 00:10:59,290 --> 00:11:01,590 The new stuff, I have probably 10 to 15 256 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,740 different distributors, small and large 257 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:07,230 that we go to, to get the new stuff that's coming out. 258 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,760 So we have a good mix of both new and used. 259 00:11:10,810 --> 00:11:11,710 The thing about the used stuff 260 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,120 is you never know, what's coming in. 261 00:11:14,170 --> 00:11:15,440 Sometimes you get a great collection 262 00:11:15,490 --> 00:11:18,710 but it also goes out super fast because like nowadays 263 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,160 most kids come in and they look through 264 00:11:20,210 --> 00:11:24,620 our rock section and you know, it's predominantly new stuff 265 00:11:24,670 --> 00:11:26,830 because the used stuff comes in and sells so fast. 266 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,070 It's like, how come there's not like this huge stash 267 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,610 of really cheap LEDs records 268 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:35,160 while it's like, because the minute they come in 269 00:11:35,210 --> 00:11:36,963 they go right back out the door. 270 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:41,010 - [Rusty] This record store in Chicago 271 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:43,070 is just one of thousands and thousands 272 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,318 of independent vinyl merchants all over the world. 273 00:11:46,368 --> 00:11:48,670 (gentle music) 274 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Music stores have become something 275 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:52,030 of a pilgrimage for music fans, 276 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,650 travelers, DJs, window shoppers 277 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:57,453 and vinyl fanatics of all ages. 278 00:11:58,710 --> 00:12:01,540 For so many, the grassroots independent record stores 279 00:12:01,590 --> 00:12:03,983 are the lifeblood of the LP industry. 280 00:12:06,350 --> 00:12:08,460 And we've gone to check some of them out. 281 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:12,900 - Hi, my name's Sharone, I'm from here, New York city. 282 00:12:12,950 --> 00:12:14,972 And I own a record store. 283 00:12:15,022 --> 00:12:17,605 (gentle music) 284 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:21,990 It's a family owned business. 285 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,170 We've been open for almost 50 years. 286 00:12:25,220 --> 00:12:28,300 My parents started it in 1975. 287 00:12:28,350 --> 00:12:32,143 They came here as immigrants and opened up a music store. 288 00:12:33,370 --> 00:12:36,330 Though was a regular electronic store 289 00:12:36,380 --> 00:12:38,010 in the seventies, in New York. 290 00:12:38,060 --> 00:12:40,690 And if you're familiar with that time 291 00:12:40,740 --> 00:12:43,380 there was many electronic stores on Seventh Avenue. 292 00:12:43,430 --> 00:12:45,840 We were on Seventh Avenue at the time 293 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:48,220 and we kept records in the back. 294 00:12:48,270 --> 00:12:49,960 So my dad started it. 295 00:12:50,010 --> 00:12:53,600 And then once you saw that he can actually support a family. 296 00:12:53,650 --> 00:12:57,160 He had my mom come from Israel, with my sisters 297 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:59,840 and everyone moved over here. 298 00:12:59,890 --> 00:13:02,040 And my mom ran the record department. 299 00:13:02,090 --> 00:13:04,270 My dad ran the electronics department 300 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,080 and then it became a record stores. 301 00:13:06,130 --> 00:13:09,670 What happened in, I'd say it evolved in the eighties, 302 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,360 late eighties to early nineties, I've been doing this. 303 00:13:13,410 --> 00:13:14,800 I probably took over 304 00:13:14,850 --> 00:13:19,850 in around the 2000s, 2005 until now. 305 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:23,333 And then my parents had it up until then. 306 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,410 We put records every corner we can fit it 307 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,893 in this store, got to maximize the space, I suppose. 308 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:38,510 We're the number one DJ store in the world. 309 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:41,570 People come from all over and I'm happy 310 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:45,170 to say we were able to outlast and to stay a record store 311 00:13:45,220 --> 00:13:47,050 to all of us and do all these times. 312 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:48,690 And we're carrying more records now 313 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:51,000 than we did 10 or 15 years ago, 314 00:13:51,050 --> 00:13:55,150 even, so it's cool to keep vinyl alive, at least for us. 315 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,680 We evolved with the times 316 00:13:56,730 --> 00:13:58,240 when we had to evolve with the times, 317 00:13:58,290 --> 00:13:59,763 that's really the only way. 318 00:14:00,670 --> 00:14:04,290 And we tried to do it being authentic to who we are. 319 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:07,030 And, that's what makes us so unique 320 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,600 in the sane age to have a store 321 00:14:08,650 --> 00:14:11,433 like this in the heart of New York City. 322 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:18,160 My favorite part is really doing stuff for the community. 323 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:19,760 Getting to know the customers 324 00:14:19,810 --> 00:14:21,510 talking to like everyone who comes in. 325 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,990 It feels like they know us and they have a good feeling. 326 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,730 And also the best part is they're doing something 327 00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:29,190 for something they love. 328 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,190 Like we're selling the music and they're playing music 329 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,080 for people and they're playing music 330 00:14:34,130 --> 00:14:36,048 for themselves because they just music, 331 00:14:36,098 --> 00:14:37,680 you feel something with music. 332 00:14:37,730 --> 00:14:40,420 And that's my favorite part of the job. 333 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:41,570 I love records. 334 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:42,940 I listen to them here 335 00:14:42,990 --> 00:14:45,000 but I live in an apartment in New York city. 336 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:46,750 So I don't have that many at home, 337 00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:50,323 space, you know. 338 00:14:50,373 --> 00:14:52,430 - [Rusty] Rock and Soul Records in New York City 339 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,680 is one of the largest DJ record stores in the country. 340 00:14:55,730 --> 00:14:58,980 And the term disc jockeys is still strongly associated 341 00:14:59,030 --> 00:15:00,130 with the vinyl record. 342 00:15:01,010 --> 00:15:03,970 Almost a century has gone by since the inception of vinyl 343 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:06,400 and with buzzwords like retro and vintage 344 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:07,670 the format owns the fat 345 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,360 there is by design inherently old school 346 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:14,110 but that didn't matter because vinyl was cool. 347 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,150 DJs have spun vinyl for decades 348 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,580 and they will be forever known 349 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:20,230 as the ones that made vinyl look good. 350 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,980 - I have been a DJ for over a decade. 351 00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:28,030 I think I started in probably 2008, 2009, somewhere there 352 00:15:29,060 --> 00:15:31,300 my interest in vinyl started, 353 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:33,220 actually I must've been a little bit older, maybe four 354 00:15:33,270 --> 00:15:35,520 but whatever kindergarten ages, I should know that 355 00:15:35,570 --> 00:15:38,520 but it was that and reel to reel tape 356 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:39,920 were probably the only mediums. 357 00:15:39,970 --> 00:15:42,880 But my parents said vinyl. 358 00:15:42,930 --> 00:15:45,100 I couldn't get into kindergarten where I was. 359 00:15:45,150 --> 00:15:45,980 It was too full. 360 00:15:46,030 --> 00:15:49,520 I was living in the sticks in Southern Ohio 361 00:15:49,570 --> 00:15:50,930 family, they've done a farm. 362 00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:53,460 So basically my parents would babysit me 363 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:56,160 by putting down in front of the record player. 364 00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:58,607 I would pick out records and they would just play them. 365 00:15:58,657 --> 00:16:01,900 And I have very vivid memories of the record, 366 00:16:01,950 --> 00:16:03,823 what it looked like, the sleeve. 367 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:06,110 When I started deejaying 368 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,050 that's when my record collection expanded 369 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:13,100 from about 500 records to about 2,500, 3000 records 370 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,040 'cause I would always look for new stuff. 371 00:16:18,090 --> 00:16:20,720 'Cause I never really wanted to spend the same thing 372 00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:22,020 over and over. 373 00:16:22,070 --> 00:16:23,300 And especially for the bartenders 374 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:25,600 'cause I didn't want bartenders to get bored. 375 00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:30,820 My favorite part about deejaying is getting to look 376 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:32,937 through my thousands of records. 377 00:16:32,987 --> 00:16:37,987 'Cause every time I go to a shift, I will spend a large part 378 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,000 of the day flipping through all of my records 379 00:16:43,050 --> 00:16:46,730 and thinking about how I would like the evening to go. 380 00:16:46,780 --> 00:16:49,170 Sometimes whatever is happening 381 00:16:49,220 --> 00:16:50,490 during the day will inspire me. 382 00:16:50,540 --> 00:16:51,937 I'll hear a song and I'll go, 383 00:16:51,987 --> 00:16:54,717 "Wow, I wanna play that song." 384 00:16:55,909 --> 00:16:57,710 And I have Spotify. 385 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,650 I have other streaming services I can't remember, 386 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:03,250 and I use those regularly 387 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:07,640 but I like to, especially in the morning, 388 00:17:07,690 --> 00:17:09,200 put a record on, 389 00:17:09,250 --> 00:17:11,600 it's also so that I can let my daughter know 390 00:17:11,650 --> 00:17:14,963 that this is here and this is a good way to listen to music. 391 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,290 One of my favorite vinyl records is Fela Kuti 392 00:17:20,340 --> 00:17:23,113 and Ginger Baker Live. 393 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,250 Especially for deejaying 394 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:28,060 that record is great 'cause you drop the needle 395 00:17:28,110 --> 00:17:32,841 and you can go hang out and get a drink, use the bathroom. 396 00:17:32,891 --> 00:17:35,330 It's always essential to have a bathroom record, 397 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:36,840 but that one is great. 398 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:38,610 'Cause you can take your time 399 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:41,750 'cause you can let it go the entire album side 400 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,110 and then flip it over and play the other 401 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,220 if you really gotta hang out with someone, but it's great. 402 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:51,620 It's just kind of all groove, bass and drums predominantly. 403 00:17:51,670 --> 00:17:54,223 And it's just such a great record. 404 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,560 Well, I think that people are nostalgic for vinyl 405 00:17:59,610 --> 00:18:03,190 because it's just how music was heard. 406 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,320 And we've all heard 407 00:18:04,370 --> 00:18:06,520 that it's a great way to listen to music. 408 00:18:06,570 --> 00:18:11,080 So I would always on my way to this one bar, I would DJ 409 00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:12,480 I would go and I would stop 410 00:18:12,530 --> 00:18:15,520 at Goodwill here in Oakland San Pablo Ave. 411 00:18:15,570 --> 00:18:17,800 That became my favorite record store 412 00:18:17,850 --> 00:18:22,070 'cause I've found easily over a thousand records 413 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:23,400 at that Goodwill. 414 00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:24,794 So I look for everything 415 00:18:24,844 --> 00:18:27,511 (gentles music) 416 00:18:33,330 --> 00:18:34,250 - [Rusty] With every medium. 417 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:37,850 We always have to ask ourselves, why do we love it so much? 418 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:40,260 How did it steal our hearts and our ears? 419 00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:42,610 For nearly a hundred years, vinyl lovers, 420 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:45,070 home stereo enthusiasts, 78 collectors 421 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,300 of all walks of life have made space 422 00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:50,760 that they didn't even have to store these magical disks 423 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:54,150 that trigger our emotional nostalgia so poignantly. 424 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,430 Of course you can get all philosophical about it. 425 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,530 But the real question is simple. 426 00:18:58,580 --> 00:19:00,533 Does vinyl really sound better? 427 00:19:01,770 --> 00:19:03,960 - This kind of controversial, but people will say 428 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:05,363 that vinyl sounds better. 429 00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,080 It may be true. 430 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:09,420 It just depends on your needle. 431 00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:11,530 It depends on your speakers depends on your turntable. 432 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:13,560 It's not just the vinyl that sounds better. 433 00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:17,400 Some vinyl sounds like, doesn't sound good at all 434 00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:18,980 because it's not played on a good system. 435 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:21,580 - The Crunchy Poppy is the wear and tear on the record. 436 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:24,330 So like when it's been played a lot and there've been 437 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:26,900 you know, needles and there's wear and tear on a record, 438 00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:28,710 it's gonna have surface noise. 439 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,039 - If you play a record a lot of times, 440 00:19:31,089 --> 00:19:32,880 even if you have like a really nice record, 441 00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:35,080 a really nice needle and a nice turntable 442 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:37,480 and all that kind of stuff, you know, it's gonna wear out 443 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:40,040 it's something touching something else and... 444 00:19:40,090 --> 00:19:41,830 - We kind of take it for granted, 445 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,610 but a lot of these things, I mean, 446 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:46,530 it's unbelievable how they came up with it 447 00:19:46,580 --> 00:19:47,820 and how it started. 448 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:49,280 - You know, a lot of people will ask 449 00:19:49,330 --> 00:19:51,480 what does make vinyl sound better than digital? 450 00:19:51,530 --> 00:19:52,770 And I always still come back 451 00:19:52,820 --> 00:19:55,390 to the sense that it's a hundred percent Sonic. 452 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,870 I can take a record right now 453 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,120 drop that needle on it in a quiet room like this. 454 00:19:59,170 --> 00:20:00,410 I don't even have to turn on the amplifier. 455 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,760 You're gonna be able to hear something, right? 456 00:20:04,019 --> 00:20:06,610 (gentle music) 457 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:08,380 It's actually physical. 458 00:20:08,430 --> 00:20:11,160 There's a needle rubbing over a bump, 459 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:13,320 that is creating that electronic impulse 460 00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:15,010 that then sends it down the tone arm 461 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:17,720 and back to the tuner and into your speakers. 462 00:20:17,770 --> 00:20:19,420 It's actually making that sound. 463 00:20:19,470 --> 00:20:21,980 It's not just zeros and ones on a file. 464 00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:24,717 So there's the warmth everybody talks about. 465 00:20:24,767 --> 00:20:25,990 And vinyl is the sense 466 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,260 that it's actually its own instrument in many ways. 467 00:20:29,310 --> 00:20:31,760 So that's the biggest differentiation 468 00:20:31,810 --> 00:20:35,540 between digital and analog in my opinion 469 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,023 - I think vinyl sounds great 470 00:20:38,073 --> 00:20:41,870 because you have a physical thing sitting 471 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,730 on a physical thing with another physical thing. 472 00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:48,913 Like it was, it was all these parts, moving parts, yeah. 473 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:52,530 I guess it depends on what area you're looking at. 474 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:54,130 As a lot of times, music is produced 475 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:56,790 for vinyl and sometimes it's produced 476 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,890 for streaming and then it's pressed to vinyl. 477 00:20:59,940 --> 00:21:02,770 So sometimes vinyl doesn't sound any better 478 00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:04,170 than the streaming service. 479 00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:05,620 - We do a lot of comparisons 480 00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:06,990 of like original pressings 481 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,480 versus maybe a reissue on new vinyl. 482 00:21:09,530 --> 00:21:12,440 And for the most part, they're either pretty close 483 00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:16,460 the same or better, very rarely are they horrific. 484 00:21:16,510 --> 00:21:18,830 Occasionally that's happened on a couple 485 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,120 of reissues of things, but for the most part 486 00:21:22,170 --> 00:21:23,630 what we've compared and we like 487 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,010 one of our favorite things to do 488 00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:28,140 is to compare a original copy with a re-issue 489 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:29,530 especially of nineties music, 490 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,500 'cause nineties records are hard to come by 491 00:21:31,550 --> 00:21:32,400 the original ones. 492 00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:37,450 And, people like to think that the new vinyl isn't as good 493 00:21:38,477 --> 00:21:41,400 but really it is usually the same or better. 494 00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:42,620 - Some vinyl sounds great 495 00:21:42,670 --> 00:21:44,630 because that's how it was intended to be heard. 496 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,230 It was like I said, it was recorded 497 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,030 and produced and mixed with the vinyl experience in mind. 498 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,910 - There's definitely a lot of vinyl that I believe 499 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,530 is made just to satisfy customer demand, 500 00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:00,723 vinyl where, it's sort of, 501 00:22:00,773 --> 00:22:03,220 a vinyl product that's sort of an afterthought 502 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:06,280 because a label decided they needed to do a vinyl version. 503 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:11,160 So those are records where maybe they mastered the album 504 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:12,450 for CD and digital. 505 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,650 And then they ended up using the same exact master 506 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:17,950 to cut the records, which is surprisingly common 507 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,320 in this industry. 508 00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:23,420 And sometimes those records can sound really good. 509 00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:25,543 - From my experience, the cut, 510 00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:30,530 how a record is cut is really important. 511 00:22:30,580 --> 00:22:32,182 - What you're going to hear about today 512 00:22:32,232 --> 00:22:34,980 is nothing short of a miracle. 513 00:22:35,030 --> 00:22:36,200 It's dramatically new, 514 00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:39,160 made possible only through years of research, 515 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:42,020 inventions and innovations. 516 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:44,980 Living stereo played on a record 517 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,090 through the all-new, two in one RCA Victors Stereo 518 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:52,100 Orthophonic High Fidelity Victrola. 519 00:22:52,150 --> 00:22:56,290 - vinyl is actually short for polyvinyl chloride, PVC. 520 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:58,110 - [Pete] So when we say cutting a record 521 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:03,160 we're mastering first generation to make a vinyl record, 522 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,360 so we're actually cutting the music 523 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:09,100 into an aluminum plate covered with nitrocellulose lacquer 524 00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:10,310 that is used, 525 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,210 essentially to simplify it, 526 00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:16,900 it's used as the form for the pressing 527 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:18,700 of the production records. 528 00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:20,820 - So what happens when you come out of a studio, 529 00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:23,932 you go, you know, you have your raw mix, then they mix it. 530 00:23:23,982 --> 00:23:26,240 And then it goes to a mastering guy, right? 531 00:23:26,290 --> 00:23:27,810 - A band and producer would go in the studio. 532 00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:29,730 They would work on mixes. 533 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:31,600 They would send those mixes 534 00:23:31,650 --> 00:23:34,860 to the mastering engineer who would cut reference acetates. 535 00:23:34,910 --> 00:23:36,850 And then if the producer in the band 536 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:40,420 wasn't happy with the way that reference record sounded 537 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:41,253 they would go back 538 00:23:41,303 --> 00:23:44,349 and make mix changes to get it to sound right on the medium. 539 00:23:44,399 --> 00:23:45,380 - And there's a differentiator 540 00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:46,660 because sometimes people will come to us 541 00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:48,210 and say, "Hey, I've had it mastered. 542 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:50,020 Do I need to have it mastered for vinyl?" 543 00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:50,853 Yes. 544 00:23:50,903 --> 00:23:53,230 - Full length, LPs that play at 33 1/3 545 00:23:54,244 --> 00:23:57,930 And then there are 12 inch 45 546 00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,730 like singles or maxi singles and... 547 00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:03,250 - LP 12 inch seven inch. 548 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,840 - There definitely has to be different levels set 549 00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:10,460 on how it translates into cutting the groove on vinyl. 550 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:15,090 - You're covering for what is it like 29.7 inches 551 00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:18,690 at 33 1/3 and I know someone out there will fact check this 552 00:24:18,740 --> 00:24:19,523 and yell at me. 553 00:24:19,573 --> 00:24:21,870 But when you get to the center, you're covering 554 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,590 you're still moving at the same speed 555 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,250 but trying to fit that same amount 556 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:28,043 of music in half the space, roughly. 557 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,290 So that being said 558 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:33,940 like a seven inch product will never sound as good 559 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:37,980 as a 12 inch will cutting that same song 560 00:24:38,030 --> 00:24:39,090 on the outside of a record. 561 00:24:39,140 --> 00:24:42,920 So your audio quality decreases 562 00:24:42,970 --> 00:24:45,270 as you get towards the inside of the record. 563 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,380 And that's just one of the physical limitations 564 00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:50,700 of vinyl, the distortion increases 565 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:52,673 and the high frequency content dips down. 566 00:24:52,723 --> 00:24:55,463 - Have you ever seen the microscopic view of a groove? 567 00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:57,553 - [Man] I have. 568 00:24:57,603 --> 00:25:01,340 - Okay, so you look at a microscopic photograph of a groove. 569 00:25:01,390 --> 00:25:04,460 It's a V cut and one side's the left channel 570 00:25:04,510 --> 00:25:05,550 one Side's the right channel. 571 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,067 There's little nubs all the way up and down. 572 00:25:07,117 --> 00:25:09,530 And the needle sits down in the middle of it. 573 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:11,760 - There's only two ways a groove can move 574 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:14,000 and a groove is sort of shaped like a V. 575 00:25:14,050 --> 00:25:19,050 So a groove moves laterally and vertically. 576 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,110 - So that's what a vinyl mastering guy 577 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,490 needs to figure out how if the high end 578 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:25,980 is gonna be able to go 579 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:28,350 if it ends up too high 580 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,930 it's not gonna be able to fit in the groove. 581 00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:33,990 - So the depth changes, which is what we call vertical 582 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,000 movement and lateral movement moves the groove side to side. 583 00:25:38,050 --> 00:25:43,050 So the way a vinyl record player decodes that movement 584 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,150 into stereo is that you've got your lateral movement 585 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,060 which is what we call our mano movement, 586 00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:53,750 everything at the center and the vertical movement 587 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,680 which changes the depth of the groove 588 00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:58,590 is stereo information off to the side. 589 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,960 So without getting into tons of detail, 590 00:26:02,010 --> 00:26:04,820 sometimes too much low frequency content 591 00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:08,480 on the sides can cause weird issues with the cut. 592 00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:13,530 But in general, the low frequency content 593 00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:16,090 causes the grooves to swing more 594 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:18,060 which takes up more space on a record. 595 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:19,370 - [Mark] Now, let's take another look 596 00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:21,160 at our living stereo record groove 597 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:24,170 with its two separate soundtrack impressions. 598 00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:25,990 One on each side, 599 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,530 in cross section, it looks like this, 600 00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:32,557 a V-shaped groove, 45 degrees on each side. 601 00:26:32,607 --> 00:26:36,360 Let's put our living stereo stylist in this groove. 602 00:26:36,410 --> 00:26:38,780 As the record turns the right side of the groove 603 00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:41,000 reproduces the sound from the left-hand section 604 00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:44,510 of the orchestra, the left of the groove reproduces 605 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,410 the sound and the right hand section. 606 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:52,040 Now both at once, two totally different soundtracks 607 00:26:52,090 --> 00:26:53,840 coming from one groove 608 00:26:53,890 --> 00:26:58,890 on one record, with one stylist, this is Living Stereo. 609 00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:07,130 - Vinyl on CD, probably streaming to the vinyl. 610 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:09,650 There was a certain point where the needle would jump off 611 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:12,673 of a song and it was, I don't know why, 612 00:27:12,723 --> 00:27:15,830 just a frequency, I think it was a base frequency 613 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,040 really and this is a fault of ours. 614 00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:21,950 Maybe we didn't pay enough attention to our test pressing 615 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,350 but either way, a good cut your needle 616 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,820 will stay on the record. 617 00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:28,350 If the record is cut properly. 618 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,150 And that's actually really essential 619 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,343 'cause you don't want the needle jumping off. 620 00:27:31,393 --> 00:27:35,567 - I mean, we can control sound here to a certain level 621 00:27:35,617 --> 00:27:37,940 and every pressing plan can 622 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:39,700 but you're only as good as your cut. 623 00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:42,130 - Mastering can at times be stressful 624 00:27:43,115 --> 00:27:44,610 because we're the last people in the chain 625 00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:46,010 to touch the product. 626 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:48,440 We're not allowed to make mistakes 627 00:27:48,490 --> 00:27:50,830 we're the ones they pay to not make any mistakes. 628 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,959 So oftentimes by the time the project gets to mastering 629 00:27:55,009 --> 00:27:57,440 it's already weeks behind schedule. 630 00:27:57,490 --> 00:28:00,440 So there's a lot of pressure for us to get the job done. 631 00:28:00,490 --> 00:28:02,900 - They're the real geniuses behind making a record. 632 00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:04,680 Those guys, I always say, 633 00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:06,230 that's where the magic happens. 634 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,150 - In the seventies RCA made these Dyna flex records 635 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,670 and I have Bowie records 636 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,229 that are Dyna flex records, 637 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,387 I think they're supposed to be more lightweight 638 00:28:15,437 --> 00:28:19,410 but they're so thin that you can wobble them really easily. 639 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:21,280 And I imagine they work really easily too now 640 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:24,950 but the great thing about vinyl now is that no one 641 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,820 is making Dyna flex or anything remotely like that, 642 00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:32,900 it's all high quality 643 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:35,230 180 gram or up. 644 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,510 So the records are really well pressed 645 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,670 and really nice vinyl. 646 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,330 So they're gonna stay for a long time. 647 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:45,010 - I know some people just leave the records 648 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:47,752 just like laying out, like, you know 649 00:28:47,802 --> 00:28:49,217 they just put it on like 650 00:28:49,267 --> 00:28:54,217 on top of the speaker or on a table or something. 651 00:28:54,267 --> 00:28:58,390 And just even kind of shifting it around a little bit. 652 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,760 - [Mark] I've heard a lot of great music, 653 00:29:00,810 --> 00:29:02,980 but I got one of my biggest musical thrills 654 00:29:03,030 --> 00:29:06,150 visiting the Camden Plant of RCA Victor. 655 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,480 In that plant, guarded day and night 656 00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:10,730 behind these huge steel doors, 657 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:13,100 I found a treasure house of music. 658 00:29:13,150 --> 00:29:16,600 The originals of the finest records ever made by Victor. 659 00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:18,850 The music of the world's greatest artists 660 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,180 of past and present. 661 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:21,960 - Process of making my own is tricky. 662 00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:23,890 I don't really have any experience with it. 663 00:29:23,940 --> 00:29:27,773 I have gone to a couple record presses. 664 00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:31,520 There's one here in Oakland and the name is escaping me 665 00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:33,990 but I know the process is a bunch 666 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,170 of little vinyl pellets that they put in 667 00:29:37,220 --> 00:29:40,058 to this thing and it melts it and they press it. 668 00:29:40,108 --> 00:29:42,129 And that's about as technical as can get. 669 00:29:42,179 --> 00:29:45,070 - You know, initially records, you know 670 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,930 like most inventions, they morph over time. 671 00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:51,980 You know, initial sound was on a cylinder 672 00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:54,242 and the cylinder spun around, you know 673 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:56,980 they would put the grooves into a wax cylinder 674 00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:58,900 and it would play. 675 00:29:58,950 --> 00:30:01,600 And then eventually they found it was easier to press it 676 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:03,950 to a flatter surface, which they, you know 677 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,570 they made 78s old, 78s, which, you know 678 00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:09,430 they were thick and hard and breakable 679 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,110 and you could put one song on each side 680 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,250 there wasn't room for much. 681 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,280 - [Mark] The first step I learned 682 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:18,080 is to pour a thin layer of molten wax onto a hot plate. 683 00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:20,570 The beginning of the master record, 684 00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:23,710 a hot flame melts all bubbles and floors out of the wax, 685 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,980 which is of the purest possible grade. 686 00:30:26,030 --> 00:30:29,310 This is done in a sealed dust-proof and air conditioned room 687 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,990 where the temperature is thermostatically controlled. 688 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,360 - My children when they were growing up. 689 00:30:33,410 --> 00:30:36,590 I had an old 78 player and a very simple way to show it 690 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,670 is like when an old 78 player like, 691 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,340 it has a steel needle that fits into the groove 692 00:30:43,390 --> 00:30:44,370 and what that does. 693 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:47,950 There's a groove that's imprinted into the vinyl 694 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,230 the needle tracks that, and that creates a vibration 695 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800 which goes up and vibrates the speaker. 696 00:30:53,850 --> 00:30:55,610 - [Mark] Meticulous examination 697 00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:57,167 ensures smooth perfection 698 00:30:57,217 --> 00:30:59,770 before the wax has passed through a special slot 699 00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:01,180 to the recording room. 700 00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:04,280 The perfect lax has put on the turntable, a cutting point 701 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:06,550 called a stylist is adjusted and everything is ready 702 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,480 to record again. 703 00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:09,780 The most popular selection ever caught on wax. 704 00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:11,840 The sound engineer is ready. 705 00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:16,523 The musicians are set, and I see a record made. 706 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,090 - Welcome to Smashed Plastic. 707 00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:20,085 Come on in. 708 00:31:20,135 --> 00:31:22,635 (door creaks) 709 00:31:24,781 --> 00:31:25,597 what we do here is, 710 00:31:25,647 --> 00:31:27,920 it starts out as PVC granulate. 711 00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:30,876 So small little pieces of PVC, either brand new 712 00:31:30,926 --> 00:31:35,926 or reground from previous jobs, we tend to use a mix 713 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:41,480 and those that's melted within the machine and add 714 00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:46,020 you know, every varying between 250, 280 degrees, 715 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:48,120 it melts and creates a puck 716 00:31:48,170 --> 00:31:50,980 that puck then will become the record. 717 00:31:51,030 --> 00:31:55,590 It goes into the press with two labels with it. 718 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,950 It is secured with a center pin 719 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,490 and it comes together at 2200 PSI of pressure. 720 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:03,500 What makes our plant unique 721 00:32:03,550 --> 00:32:04,620 and we were the first one 722 00:32:04,670 --> 00:32:08,540 in the world to press with hot water rather than steam. 723 00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:10,880 So we have a thermal unit that gets hot water 724 00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:13,890 up to 280 degrees in a matter of seconds. 725 00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:17,900 And we run hot water through our molds rather than steam. 726 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:20,770 It's a lot more environmentally friendly. 727 00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:25,550 It's a lot more energy efficient, and it's much easier 728 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,173 than having a giant boiler room to maintain. 729 00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:30,880 You know, it was the first question a lot 730 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:31,777 of people asked like, 731 00:32:31,827 --> 00:32:34,150 "Oh, you're you're starting a fad business. 732 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,380 You know, this, they're getting cool again 733 00:32:36,430 --> 00:32:37,677 it's just a fad." 734 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,260 I've been around music long enough to know 735 00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:45,150 that vinyl collectors have been here all along. 736 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,630 And the one thing I kept saying to people was, 737 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,500 as long as we don't overstep our bounds 738 00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:53,550 as far as how quickly we grow and become a huge plant 739 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,560 or something like that, and then the bubble bursts. 740 00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:59,040 So I'll take you down here to the press 741 00:32:59,090 --> 00:33:01,840 (static hissing) 742 00:33:03,832 --> 00:33:08,832 as we're just getting things started up for the day. 743 00:33:08,981 --> 00:33:12,150 So this is the process of getting prepped for the day. 744 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,550 As we're beginning to start a job, 745 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,220 this will be on, in about five minutes. 746 00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:18,920 We're just warming it up now, 747 00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:20,420 Steve's getting it all ready. 748 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:23,720 - [Mark] Two totally different soundtracks 749 00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:27,550 coming from one group, on one record with one style. 750 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,063 This is Living Stereo. 751 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,500 It means that stereophonic recording 752 00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:36,870 has been brought down from a relatively expensive hobby 753 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,450 into the price and convenience range of the average family. 754 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,970 Giving them the tremendous musical experience 755 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:45,753 of Living Stereo. 756 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,150 - So this is when the, when the records come off 757 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,140 they sit here for at least 12 hours 758 00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:57,470 hopefully more like 24, they need to sit to cure. 759 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,650 So they end up insuring that they're flat. 760 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:02,250 That's why you see a cooling plate between them all 761 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:03,933 one, every five records. 762 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,460 (static hissing) 763 00:34:06,510 --> 00:34:07,880 And that'll be getting them retail ready, 764 00:34:07,930 --> 00:34:09,790 going through the shrink wrapper 765 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,950 and stickering on the back end. 766 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,790 So a lot of our day is getting these things ready 767 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,363 than package out the door. 768 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:23,060 We're actually kind of a by-product of the resurgence 769 00:34:23,110 --> 00:34:27,850 because previous to really about a year, 770 00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:29,760 well previous to about the five years ago 771 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:31,470 when we started investigating this 772 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,900 there were no new machines being produced. 773 00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:36,800 So if you wanted to start a pressing plant 774 00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:40,330 you either had to purchase somebody else's plant, 775 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:44,600 find old machines that hadn't been used for, you know, 776 00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:47,390 10, 20 years that are gonna be in bad shape. 777 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,800 Then you have to find the engineer 778 00:34:48,850 --> 00:34:51,720 to be able to fix those machines. 779 00:34:51,770 --> 00:34:54,180 And a lot of those guys were aging 780 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:55,810 at the time and hard to find. 781 00:34:55,860 --> 00:34:58,870 So that was kind of a non-starter for us. 782 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,240 We investigated it for a very short period 783 00:35:02,290 --> 00:35:03,220 of time and realized that 784 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:06,754 we had to start a company with a new press. 785 00:35:06,804 --> 00:35:09,387 (gentle music) 786 00:35:10,620 --> 00:35:12,430 we've been open for about two years, 787 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,957 well this whole idea and the whole thing started 788 00:35:15,007 --> 00:35:17,140 almost about five years ago. 789 00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:20,490 I've been part of a local community radio station here 790 00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:23,180 for the last 12 years. 791 00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:26,390 And so being part of the local scene 792 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,900 and knowing bands and things like that, 793 00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:31,600 I really realized that probably about five years ago, 794 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:32,890 people were having a really hard time 795 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:33,800 getting their vinyl made 796 00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:35,080 they were waiting six months. 797 00:35:35,130 --> 00:35:36,670 They were having a lot of issues. 798 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,190 And I knew there was nobody here in Chicago. 799 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,870 So it started me and another partner, 800 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,950 had my partner Matt and I just, 801 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,460 who's also one of my best friends 802 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:47,880 we just started a conversation 803 00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:50,860 and he was kind of like, "Well, let's figure this out." 804 00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:52,880 And that was literally five years ago. 805 00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:56,210 And then it became two partners later. 806 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:58,020 And, you know, the four of us 807 00:35:58,070 --> 00:35:59,880 just kind of keep kept stair-stepping 808 00:35:59,930 --> 00:36:00,920 and trying to figure it out. 809 00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:03,070 But yeah, it started about five years ago. 810 00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:06,910 Up until we showed up as a pressing plant 811 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,240 here in town two years ago 812 00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:09,660 I think there were a lot of people 813 00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:11,357 that were kind of like, you know 814 00:36:11,407 --> 00:36:12,860 "It's hard to get things done 815 00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:15,970 and we have to go out of state and we have to, you know 816 00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:18,480 if I have this crazy idea of like printing 817 00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:20,990 on the backside of a record, who do I talk to?" 818 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,410 Well, now people can walk 819 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:24,240 into this room and actually physically talk 820 00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:26,470 to somebody before they begin their projects. 821 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,510 So we have a lot of labels 822 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,180 and a lot of projects that wouldn't have existed 823 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:33,820 if Smashed Plastic hadn't opened their doors in Chicago. 824 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:34,653 I think, you know, 825 00:36:34,703 --> 00:36:37,380 and that's what we take the most pride in here. 826 00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:40,810 So I think those are kind of my favorite projects. 827 00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:44,130 It was important for us to be in this building 828 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:45,940 because we wanted to have a vintage feel. 829 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:48,410 We wanted to be in the city first place. 830 00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:51,290 We looked around all over the place 831 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,200 and we could have been in a collar suburb 832 00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:54,930 for way cheaper and could have been 833 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:57,450 in one of those, you know what I'm talking about 834 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:01,340 those warehouse buildings that would have been sterile 835 00:37:01,390 --> 00:37:04,210 But it would have been a nice place to do production. 836 00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:07,080 This building is the former home 837 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:08,430 of the Hammond Organ company. 838 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,210 So the Hammond Organ was made here 839 00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:13,660 from the turn of last century all the way up until 1985. 840 00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:16,190 So it had this musical history, 841 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,760 our proximity to Avondale and Logan square, 842 00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:22,390 where venues and bands live and play. 843 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,490 And we just felt like we wanted to be very close. 844 00:37:26,540 --> 00:37:29,513 And so it was a no brainer to be in a building like this. 845 00:37:30,465 --> 00:37:33,048 (gentle music) 846 00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:39,917 Now, we can take a client from walking in here saying, 847 00:37:39,967 --> 00:37:41,560 "Hey I just walked out of the studio. 848 00:37:41,610 --> 00:37:42,630 What do I need to do?" 849 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,760 All the way to "Here is your retail ready product." 850 00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:47,593 They don't know 851 00:37:47,643 --> 00:37:49,970 that all those other processes are done elsewhere. 852 00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:53,260 Some people come to us at different points in the process. 853 00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:55,370 They might say, "Hey, I've already had this master diver. 854 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:56,760 And I had this plated." 855 00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:57,970 But I always say my favorite part 856 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:00,420 about the job is handing records to people or putting them 857 00:38:00,470 --> 00:38:02,950 in the back of their trunk or their car or whatever. 858 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,550 And that's the beauty of us being here. 859 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,550 A lot of, I mean, probably 85, 90% of our clients 860 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,400 are picking them up right here 861 00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:13,060 and we're wheeling them out to their car 862 00:38:13,110 --> 00:38:14,550 and placing them in their cars. 863 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,130 So we've eliminated 864 00:38:16,180 --> 00:38:19,480 one of the biggest variables that a point 865 00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:23,980 of contention for people doing vinyl is the shipping. 866 00:38:24,030 --> 00:38:25,940 That to me is one of the coolest things in the world. 867 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:27,034 How many people get to sell a product 868 00:38:27,084 --> 00:38:30,530 and actually see their client get super excited about it. 869 00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:32,520 Half the time we can barely get bands out of here 870 00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:35,180 'cause they come in and they stay for like two hours. 871 00:38:35,230 --> 00:38:37,200 You know, they just sit here and they wanna talk 872 00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:38,550 about their projects and all that. 873 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,060 That's part of the job. 874 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:42,270 So anyway, yeah, we built this bar because we wanted 875 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,170 to have a place where people could come in and listen 876 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:45,760 to their test pressings, 877 00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:48,450 have a place to hang out and listen to music. 878 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,660 And that was what this room was all about. 879 00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:52,720 And it's just kind of evolved into a little bit 880 00:38:52,770 --> 00:38:56,060 of a fun space where now we've inherited all this 881 00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:58,900 other equipment, like a jukebox and a pinball machine 882 00:38:58,950 --> 00:39:01,198 from Bloodshot Records. 883 00:39:01,248 --> 00:39:04,210 And it's just kind of a work in progress, 884 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,860 but it was essential for us to have a space 885 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:11,116 that can double as an office, a meeting area 886 00:39:11,166 --> 00:39:14,070 and allow a place just to hang out. 887 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,270 It's even our lunchroom 888 00:39:16,111 --> 00:39:17,010 - A sound is a strange thing. 889 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:18,790 Everybody has two pair of ears. 890 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,180 So that you can get crazy audio file 891 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:24,460 and there are guys that'll tell you 892 00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:27,410 that they can set up a system with CDs 893 00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:28,970 that you know, with the right equipment 894 00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:31,350 and everything else, then it's gonna blow you away. 895 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,750 And it will, you know. 896 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,430 - So I told those things I suppose, are not understood. 897 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,403 I mean, a CD sounds fine, 898 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:43,087 vinyl, I think isn't it more of the taking the record 899 00:39:43,137 --> 00:39:44,900 out to sleep, putting it on. 900 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:48,700 You can read the sleeve, which you can't on a CD 901 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:51,100 you've no idea who wrote that song or whatever 902 00:39:51,150 --> 00:39:52,650 the magnifying glass isn't big enough. 903 00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:54,390 - A lot of people drank the Kool-Aid 904 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,650 that vinyl just immediately sounds better. 905 00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:00,410 And I would question that 906 00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:02,690 I don't know that that's actually accurate. 907 00:40:02,740 --> 00:40:05,700 It is true within a certain span of time, you know, 908 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:08,583 prior to I'd say 1955 or so, 909 00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:12,150 they didn't really know what they were doing yet. 910 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,120 You know, so Bessie Smith recordings back in the day 911 00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:16,760 they sounded pretty rough. 912 00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:19,270 Once they actually figured out how to master vinyl. 913 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,340 Now they sound pretty darn good, 914 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:24,423 early CDs in the eighties, abysmal. 915 00:40:25,606 --> 00:40:28,000 And by the time they figured out how to master CDs 916 00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:30,560 to sound as good as the original vinyl, 917 00:40:30,610 --> 00:40:32,300 we were already into a download culture 918 00:40:32,350 --> 00:40:34,680 and it didn't matter and nobody cared. 919 00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:35,960 And why would I buy a CD? 920 00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:37,460 I can make my own CD. 921 00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:40,290 - Vinyl itself, I think to most people 922 00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:45,070 and most people's ears has a warmer sound to it. 923 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,320 It sounds more natural. 924 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:50,300 I think probably because it's coming off 925 00:40:50,350 --> 00:40:53,320 a physical thing from a physical needle 926 00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:55,550 to an electrical impulse that goes through the speakers 927 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,840 that, you know, that comes out and hit your ears. 928 00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:00,600 Whereas with the digital sound 929 00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:04,940 it's a cleaned up sound, you know, 930 00:41:04,990 --> 00:41:08,717 and I think the imperfections of that sound, 931 00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:11,283 it's more pleasing to me. 932 00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:14,240 - I don't think it's necessarily inherent 933 00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:15,910 to the format that it sounds better. 934 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,290 It's inherent to the intent. 935 00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:18,510 - Funny one of our customers, 936 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,060 he is into lint means high end audio stuff, isn't it? 937 00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:24,090 Spent thousands doing it all. 938 00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:25,203 And he's always said to me, "Why don't you come 939 00:41:25,253 --> 00:41:26,400 now that I've listened." 940 00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,100 I've never gone round, but he asked someone else on. 941 00:41:29,150 --> 00:41:31,250 I think it took him round. 942 00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:32,953 He put on dark side of the moon, 943 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:35,320 the fellow listened to it. 944 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:36,557 When I sort of began to, I said, 945 00:41:36,607 --> 00:41:37,870 "What did you think of that?" 946 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,740 He said, "I couldn't tell the difference." 947 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:42,400 - [Rusty] Vinyl's warmer fuller sound 948 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:43,890 comes from many factors 949 00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:46,620 but it's largely due to its analog nature. 950 00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:48,690 Before these albums can be released, 951 00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:50,680 they have to go through additional processing 952 00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:52,710 to ensure that they sound good. 953 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,170 This is all the hard work of the mastering engineers 954 00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:56,560 and vinyl cutters. 955 00:41:56,610 --> 00:41:59,610 These are the people that give vinyl that magical sound. 956 00:41:59,660 --> 00:42:01,110 - [Man] A mastering engineer is a person 957 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,180 skilled in the practice of taking audio, 958 00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:04,280 that has being previously mixed 959 00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:08,030 in either the analog or digital domain as mono, stereo 960 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,380 or multi-channel formats and preparing it for use 961 00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:12,560 and distribution, whether by physical media, 962 00:42:12,610 --> 00:42:13,820 such as vinyl. 963 00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:15,600 Mastering the vinyl is the process 964 00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:18,160 of creating a separate master that can be cut 965 00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:21,610 into a vinyl record without added unwanted distortion. 966 00:42:21,660 --> 00:42:24,583 It consists of a mono stereo image up to 150Hz, 967 00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:28,283 a tamed high-end, and if needed, 968 00:42:28,333 --> 00:42:31,030 a track listing that is consistent with the frequency 969 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,953 limitations of record cutting. 970 00:42:34,070 --> 00:42:35,990 - I've always loved vinyl records 971 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,430 as someone that grew up playing in bands 972 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,170 since the time I was 14 years old 973 00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:47,160 I always just felt this attraction to vinyl. 974 00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:49,870 And my star in music kind of came 975 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,910 up through the punk rock scene. 976 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,630 Later on in my life ass I started recording bands, 977 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,840 basically out of necessity 978 00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:58,673 'cause I was always in bands 979 00:42:58,723 --> 00:43:00,870 that could never afford to record. 980 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,920 I was with a friend that was getting some lacquers cut 981 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,030 and long story short. 982 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,110 I walked into the studio 983 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,350 and I met Richard Simpson who became my mentor. 984 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,580 And I saw my first lacquer get cut. 985 00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:19,123 And it sort of changed the game for me. 986 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,090 I grew up listening to vinyl records. 987 00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:25,310 My parents were music fans 988 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,963 especially when I was younger. 989 00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:31,433 And that sort of got me started. 990 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:35,490 I was obsessed with music from an early age. 991 00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:39,870 I remember from the time I was in second grade on, 992 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,570 all my extra money went to buying 45s, LPs and cassettes. 993 00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:46,490 I became obsessed with heavy metal 994 00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:50,500 until the transition between sixth and seventh grade. 995 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:53,410 And I heard punk rock for the first time. 996 00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:54,913 It kind of changed my life. 997 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,290 I think when I met Richard, 998 00:43:59,340 --> 00:44:00,560 when I sat in on the session 999 00:44:00,610 --> 00:44:02,990 we just hit it off and he was really gracious 1000 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,250 and he allowed me to stand up, get close to the lake. 1001 00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,450 He told me everything he was doing. 1002 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,190 And I remember being really surprised. 1003 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,610 I'm like, wow, you know, there's no barriers here. 1004 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:15,680 He's totally, he appreciates the fact 1005 00:44:15,730 --> 00:44:17,450 that I'm interested in this. 1006 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:19,630 - My name is Richard Simpson. 1007 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,420 I'm a recording engineer/mastering engineer 1008 00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:26,223 for pretty much completely with vinyl these things. 1009 00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:32,370 I grew up in Long Island out in town called Hicksville 1010 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,793 which was about 30 miles out of the city. 1011 00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:40,940 My father was the head engineer at RCA in New York. 1012 00:44:40,990 --> 00:44:43,640 So he would come home and he'd bring records home 1013 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:45,750 that he was working on. 1014 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,527 My era when I first was coming up 1015 00:44:47,577 --> 00:44:50,850 and with music was more of the Tommy Dorsey, 1016 00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,960 Glenn Miller, the swing kind of era. 1017 00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:56,340 I happened to be somebody who really, 1018 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:59,840 I liked to dance from a kid on up. 1019 00:44:59,890 --> 00:45:03,310 And the music just always had an interest to me. 1020 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,802 I was in the air force for four years. 1021 00:45:05,852 --> 00:45:07,050 I didn't know what I wanted to do. 1022 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:11,050 I went to art school for like a couple of semesters 1023 00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:13,730 and it wasn't what I thought it was gonna be. 1024 00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:14,960 So I went into the service 1025 00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:17,330 spent four years in the air force. 1026 00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:18,850 And when I got out 1027 00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:22,590 during that time I got married and I had one child. 1028 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,100 We came back to New York city. 1029 00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:26,490 It helped to have my father 1030 00:45:26,540 --> 00:45:29,110 be one of the head guys at RCA. 1031 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,520 So he got me an interview 1032 00:45:30,570 --> 00:45:33,860 and I got on and I started off at the bottom 1033 00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:38,670 like quality testing with sitting for defects. 1034 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:42,280 And then the next step was to check the work 1035 00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:44,923 of the vinyl mastering engineers. 1036 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,810 They came in in the morning and they have a rack. 1037 00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:52,120 We called it of 12 albums 1038 00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:55,210 or more that they had to cut during the daytime. 1039 00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:56,753 After they pressed a few thousand records 1040 00:45:56,803 --> 00:45:59,990 they had to come back and have a new master lacquer made. 1041 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,980 And at that time the engineer would cut a one minute section 1042 00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:08,662 of the music on the outside, which allowed me to play it 1043 00:46:08,712 --> 00:46:11,740 because master is a cut on a 14 inch disc. 1044 00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:12,990 The music starts at 12. 1045 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,790 So this a couple of inches for making a test cut. 1046 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,387 They'd cut a one minute test of, 1047 00:46:19,437 --> 00:46:20,750 and then I compare that, 1048 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,870 we keep in production cut, which would show 1049 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,750 in the first minute that we had picks of plus two. 1050 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,700 So I'd play that. 1051 00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:30,317 And if we were only getting zero, I'd go back and say, 1052 00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:32,636 "Hey we gotta raise the level up to match 1053 00:46:32,686 --> 00:46:34,423 what's out there. 1054 00:46:34,473 --> 00:46:35,720 What people are buying. 1055 00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:37,000 We don't wanna put a different record 1056 00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:39,973 out and have it sound lower or louder. 1057 00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:43,440 I started in 1966 1058 00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:46,880 the early years was a lot of big artists. 1059 00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:48,850 They were on RCA. 1060 00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:52,520 So one of my first groups I worked with was The Guests Who 1061 00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:54,820 and then The Monkees. 1062 00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:56,571 Well, Elvis was always coming up 1063 00:46:56,621 --> 00:47:00,570 and Lou Reed and David Bowie 1064 00:47:00,620 --> 00:47:04,680 they were my first exposure cutting records. 1065 00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:07,280 So I was involved in cutting a lot of those 1066 00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:08,763 but it was a lot of fun. 1067 00:47:08,813 --> 00:47:11,290 I never considered what I do work. 1068 00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:14,123 So it's been fun. 1069 00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:19,370 Well, RCA was cranking along and I was in New York 1070 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:22,853 and they were opening up a new room in Hollywood. 1071 00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:27,280 So my boss at the time asked me 1072 00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:29,423 if I would be interested in transferring. 1073 00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:31,300 So at that time it seemed 1074 00:47:31,350 --> 00:47:33,290 like California was the place to go. 1075 00:47:33,340 --> 00:47:34,530 So I jumped at it. 1076 00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:35,663 I said, yeah, sure. 1077 00:47:35,713 --> 00:47:39,000 In the Hollywood studios, it was a little bit different. 1078 00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:40,660 It was more relaxed 1079 00:47:42,982 --> 00:47:44,860 and New York was more of a suit and tie thing. 1080 00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:48,370 And there was certain things you could do 1081 00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:50,052 and you couldn't do. 1082 00:47:50,102 --> 00:47:50,885 And it was just more relaxed. 1083 00:47:50,935 --> 00:47:54,530 We worked more hours and to my surprise 1084 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,650 RCA decided to close. 1085 00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:01,360 And at the time I think they were following suit. 1086 00:48:01,410 --> 00:48:04,470 What the CBS Records did. 1087 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,320 It was kind of a shock 1088 00:48:05,370 --> 00:48:07,160 we're all sitting there working. 1089 00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:09,990 And then we're told, you know, a month from now 1090 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,390 it's no longer gonna be in existence. 1091 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,710 First, I tried to go out and get a loan 1092 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,650 and buy a new system. 1093 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,610 The people who bought the studio 1094 00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:23,720 they bought the new lays that I was working on. 1095 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:27,110 So we had the old lays that I first started cutting 1096 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,580 on when I came out here 1097 00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:32,860 and it was sitting in the room idle, wasn't being used. 1098 00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:35,817 So I went to my boss at the time and said, 1099 00:48:35,867 --> 00:48:38,890 "Hey, can I buy the system?" 1100 00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:41,727 And he kinda looked at me and said, 1101 00:48:41,777 --> 00:48:43,577 "Yeah nobody, it's not going any place. 1102 00:48:43,627 --> 00:48:46,430 The new people aren't interested in that." 1103 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,890 They pretty much almost gave it to me. 1104 00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:51,050 I think I paid like $10,000 for the whole thing 1105 00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:56,100 including tape machine, monitors, equalizers, some amps 1106 00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,630 the McIntosh amps that are probably worth that much alone. 1107 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,200 When we closed down the reference point 1108 00:49:03,250 --> 00:49:06,430 I moved into Hollywood into a pressing plant 1109 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,580 a place called Coralic Engineering Manufacturing. 1110 00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:12,610 Then there was a big boom from there. 1111 00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:14,250 I mean, it was so much fun. 1112 00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,910 This Macola Records with the pressing plant 1113 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,960 and really they blew up. 1114 00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:21,190 They didn't know how to handle, you know 1115 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,110 hit after hit was coming in there. 1116 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,780 It was just one, you know, one hit group after another. 1117 00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:31,780 And I remember my first rap artist Ice-T 1118 00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:36,550 and at that time, I didn't know who Ice-T really was, 1119 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,870 he'd come in and start talking. 1120 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:38,971 And I said 1121 00:49:39,021 --> 00:49:39,804 "What is this?" 1122 00:49:39,854 --> 00:49:41,410 'Cause he talked exactly the way he rap. 1123 00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:43,260 It was just the rhythm and the flow. 1124 00:49:43,310 --> 00:49:46,307 And it was, you know, and that was really different. 1125 00:49:46,357 --> 00:49:48,080 And that was my first introduction 1126 00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:50,860 to pretty much hip hop and rap. 1127 00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:53,350 And he'd come in on a weekly basis 1128 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,120 and I cut a dub from the music 1129 00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:57,000 and then he'd go out and do the live show, 1130 00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:58,903 playing what we call dab. 1131 00:49:59,770 --> 00:50:02,670 And a lot of my work was doing that kind of stuff. 1132 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,300 I had cutting with DJs, cutting dubs, 1133 00:50:05,350 --> 00:50:09,770 mastering the hip hop and the dance and electronic music. 1134 00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:12,933 I was busy and it was a lot of fun. 1135 00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:19,490 - Richard's clientele, heavily relied on West Coast hip hop 1136 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,330 house music, electronic music, and the punk rock 1137 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:26,910 and Indie bands that were still cutting records 1138 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,973 because major labels, weren't cutting records at all that. 1139 00:50:30,023 --> 00:50:34,737 So I got to be involved in a lot of cool records 1140 00:50:34,787 --> 00:50:37,590 and it was always fun to see, you know 1141 00:50:38,490 --> 00:50:41,010 DJs coming in, you know, like hours 1142 00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:44,100 before show and we're cutting dubplates for their show. 1143 00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:49,150 And, you know, Richard cut all the local hip hop stuff 1144 00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:51,950 everything from alcoholics to, 1145 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,770 and back in the eighties he cut all the Geto Boy stuff, 1146 00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:57,400 Cool Keith, first end of the year EP 1147 00:50:58,390 --> 00:51:02,420 like all this legendary hip hop stuff that I loved. 1148 00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:05,250 Being a master engineer the only thing I can compare it to 1149 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:08,580 and I joke with a few friends of mine in the industry 1150 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:10,760 and I've said it before, but I feel like 1151 00:51:10,810 --> 00:51:14,400 the kid that wanted to be an astronaut that got to be. 1152 00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:15,500 I mean, it's a dream job. 1153 00:51:15,550 --> 00:51:18,720 We sit here and we listen to amazing music all day 1154 00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:23,770 and help the artist push that last bit, you know 1155 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,223 over the finish line. 1156 00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:30,520 - [Rusty] With around 1400 independent vinyl stores 1157 00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:32,460 in America alone, you can get your hands 1158 00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:34,870 on your favorite records with relative ease. 1159 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,600 Thanks to it's ever growing popularity, vinylmania 1160 00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:40,580 spread worldwide, even in corners of the world 1161 00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:41,996 you might not expect. 1162 00:51:42,046 --> 00:51:45,129 (instrumental music) 1163 00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:57,330 - I'm Pilak Bhatt and I'm from Mumbai. 1164 00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:59,850 And we have a small record shop 1165 00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:01,653 called Music Circle in Mumbai. 1166 00:52:04,510 --> 00:52:06,090 I was fascinated by music right 1167 00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:08,663 from my childhood because my parents 1168 00:52:08,713 --> 00:52:11,740 were very much into music, you know, music levels. 1169 00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:14,120 And we would often attend concerts 1170 00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:17,620 by chance like Ravi Shankar, Alia Parkan. 1171 00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:20,880 My uncle, he had a great collection of music. 1172 00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:22,640 He was a great record collector. 1173 00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:24,463 You can say, music is in my blood. 1174 00:52:26,530 --> 00:52:29,450 I've been in this business for the last 15 years. 1175 00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:31,790 You know, when the series game 1176 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,460 a lot of people started giving away their violence. 1177 00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:35,670 So I thought okay, 1178 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:37,780 this is a good time, actually, because I knew 1179 00:52:37,830 --> 00:52:40,380 that vinyl sound is much better than the CD sound. 1180 00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:44,270 So I thought this is a good time to collect vinyls. 1181 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,960 So that time I was not thinking of business 1182 00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:48,880 as such, but, you know, being passionate about music 1183 00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:51,420 I wanted to have the vinyls, you know 1184 00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:55,360 so I collected a lot of vinyls during that time. 1185 00:52:55,410 --> 00:52:57,830 Naturally, then it grew over the years 1186 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,163 and today I have a huge collection of vinyls as you can see. 1187 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,040 There was a record store called Rhythm House in Mumbai. 1188 00:53:08,090 --> 00:53:10,060 That was the biggest in Mumbai. 1189 00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:13,110 And my main reason of entry or going 1190 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,450 into this vinyl thing is because I love the vinyl sound. 1191 00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:18,120 It is an analog sound. 1192 00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:21,190 It is a very pure, natural, warm sound. 1193 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:25,030 And compared to series and MP3s, which are, you know 1194 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,873 kind of a compromised format, 1195 00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:30,820 younger days I used to listen to a lot of Beetles. 1196 00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:34,360 And then over the years, my tastes will change a little bit. 1197 00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:36,893 Then I got into groups like Santana, 1198 00:53:36,943 --> 00:53:39,060 Pink Flyod, Dire Straits 1199 00:53:39,110 --> 00:53:41,150 all the classic rock groups, you know 1200 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,080 and when you listen to these guys, you know, 1201 00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:45,640 they have a profound influence on you 1202 00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:48,833 because they change your life forever, you know. 1203 00:53:48,883 --> 00:53:52,414 (sensational music) 1204 00:53:52,464 --> 00:53:53,247 Previously, I was working 1205 00:53:53,297 --> 00:53:55,410 with my brother in the metal business. 1206 00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:00,460 And when I turned 50, I thought I must do what I love to do. 1207 00:54:01,470 --> 00:54:03,200 I must get involved into the business 1208 00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:04,893 of what I really like to do. 1209 00:54:06,010 --> 00:54:09,460 You know, but every record has a little story behind it. 1210 00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:11,150 You know, there are a lot of sentiments, 1211 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,070 emotions also attached to buying records 1212 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,550 and those records I will never sell 1213 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,370 because those are like special to me 1214 00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:19,590 and gifted by someone to me. 1215 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,420 So my philosophy for music is, 1216 00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:24,610 you just don't stick to one genre, 1217 00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:27,170 be open-minded and listen to all kinds of music. 1218 00:54:27,220 --> 00:54:28,590 There is African music. 1219 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,470 There is Arabic music. 1220 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,650 There is Latin music to be discovered. 1221 00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:35,530 So this is my advice to the youth also, 1222 00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:37,810 don't just stick to one kind of music, 1223 00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:39,563 listen to music with open mind. 1224 00:54:43,930 --> 00:54:47,680 Basically I'm in this music business because of my passion 1225 00:54:47,730 --> 00:54:50,730 not because of money or not because of the number of records 1226 00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:53,670 or I want to touch one like figure or anything. 1227 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,210 I'm basically very passionate music lover. 1228 00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:58,132 That's how I am in this business. 1229 00:54:58,182 --> 00:55:01,020 (sensational music) 1230 00:55:01,070 --> 00:55:03,977 For me the music is not just about selling records 1231 00:55:04,027 --> 00:55:06,190 but it is a way of life. 1232 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,900 Music is my life. 1233 00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:10,574 So I'll always be associated with music. 1234 00:55:10,624 --> 00:55:13,700 (gentle music) 1235 00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:15,570 - [Rusty] To so many people, record collecting 1236 00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:18,970 has become something of a lifestyle rather than just a hobby 1237 00:55:19,020 --> 00:55:20,590 but where are these records we're dying 1238 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,270 to get our hands on? 1239 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,630 The term rare records might conjure up images 1240 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,760 of prehistorical obscure albums that feel 1241 00:55:26,810 --> 00:55:29,250 almost unobtainable to the average listener 1242 00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:30,760 but there are many factors that go 1243 00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:32,680 into making a record rare. 1244 00:55:32,730 --> 00:55:35,993 And some of them are not as far out, as you might imagine. 1245 00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:42,220 - We've had rare things like The Beatles Butchers cover. 1246 00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:45,040 You know, we've had, you know, rare jazz things. 1247 00:55:45,090 --> 00:55:47,990 - I have some good stories of finding rare records. 1248 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,910 - Found all kinds of things. 1249 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,380 People have been selling us stuff back for 30 years 1250 00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:55,160 and you you never know what's coming in 1251 00:55:55,210 --> 00:55:56,860 and what it is and... 1252 00:55:56,910 --> 00:55:59,438 - The rarest record, 1253 00:55:59,488 --> 00:56:02,640 we've got a few, but I guess the most rare record 1254 00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:06,880 is we had a 45, a Motley Crue, Girls, Girls, Girls 1255 00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:11,225 45, that was a promo edition that was only given out 1256 00:56:11,275 --> 00:56:15,540 at their kickoff of that tour in Las Vegas, 1257 00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:18,710 that show they passed out 1000 of them. 1258 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,900 - I bought, I think it was Bon Jovi. 1259 00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:24,150 I bought a 45, my mom let me buy a 45 at a records tour 1260 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,981 in Decatur, Illinois, where I was when I was young. 1261 00:56:27,031 --> 00:56:29,200 And so I was old enough where vinyl 1262 00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:31,060 was still kind of phasing out. 1263 00:56:31,110 --> 00:56:33,810 - Rarity is one of those odd things, 1264 00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:35,807 because a rare record to some is like, 1265 00:56:35,857 --> 00:56:37,660 "Oh my God, I found this Debbie Gibson record 1266 00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:40,240 that I've never found before." 1267 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:42,820 And, you know, to somebody that's a really rare thing. 1268 00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:45,530 You know, the market's always changing. 1269 00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:47,890 And the rarity of things always changes as well. 1270 00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:51,375 - I saw this album come up as the Wailers, you know 1271 00:56:51,425 --> 00:56:53,378 it was like definitely not Bob Marley and the Wailers. 1272 00:56:53,428 --> 00:56:56,100 And I actually went past it at first. 1273 00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:57,320 And then I backed up 1274 00:56:57,370 --> 00:57:01,400 and there is this beautiful brand new 1275 00:57:01,450 --> 00:57:03,050 not wrapped but it was a brand new copy. 1276 00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:03,950 - That was one of the shockers. 1277 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,670 I mean, we're very well versed 1278 00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:08,900 in what most, everything is valued at. 1279 00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:12,640 And we do know like high dollar, regular high dollar records 1280 00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:16,871 and things, what to look for that was probably 1281 00:57:16,921 --> 00:57:20,281 one of the big surprises because we had really, 1282 00:57:20,331 --> 00:57:22,150 we knew it was worth something 1283 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,610 but it wasn't very obvious in the beginning. 1284 00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:25,443 - Our record is only really with, 1285 00:57:25,493 --> 00:57:27,060 or someone to pay for it anyway. 1286 00:57:27,110 --> 00:57:29,310 And yet, you know, it's already well sticking it down 1287 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,379 for 1500 pounds, but how many people 1288 00:57:31,429 --> 00:57:32,800 after you get in 1500 pound? 1289 00:57:32,850 --> 00:57:34,740 And I've had a couple of Please Please Me 1290 00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:38,360 as Black and Gold, and which about decent prices 1291 00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:40,282 full but they're rare, 1292 00:57:40,332 --> 00:57:41,460 you know, you don't see them that often. 1293 00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:42,460 They don't come in that often. 1294 00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:44,620 - Nobody's ever seen this, but this is worth 1295 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:46,260 a hundred dollars. 1296 00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:47,680 They have to believe us, right? 1297 00:57:47,730 --> 00:57:50,390 - Most of the rare records that are found, 1298 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,627 I mostly got here. 1299 00:57:51,677 --> 00:57:53,600 - The more interesting, rare records that have come 1300 00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:55,159 across are the ones that weren't rare 1301 00:57:55,209 --> 00:57:57,800 at my own collection 1302 00:57:57,850 --> 00:58:00,270 that came to be rare later on. 1303 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,760 - In Japan I had these things called the eight bands 1304 00:58:02,810 --> 00:58:04,660 which are like these little tiny records. 1305 00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:08,330 And the vinyls were about the size of like the vinyl label. 1306 00:58:08,380 --> 00:58:09,820 And they had like tiny mini 1307 00:58:09,870 --> 00:58:11,640 like record players playing them on 1308 00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:12,984 of course the sound wasn't great, 1309 00:58:13,034 --> 00:58:15,840 but they were kind of cute when you look to them. 1310 00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:18,090 But I think the food buyers, and I know that 1311 00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:22,490 the white stripes actually released like rare eight bands 1312 00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:24,180 and they sold them at shows and things like that. 1313 00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:25,405 But they're crazy 1314 00:58:25,455 --> 00:58:28,000 but there's something about them that's just cool. 1315 00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:30,190 - I think the rarest record I have someone 1316 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,670 actually gave to me, which is kind of weird, 1317 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,910 at the time the record wasn't, 1318 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,560 it became valuable since they gave it to me. 1319 00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:40,080 At the time it was just like, here's this record I made. 1320 00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:42,900 - Basically I had started my collection so early. 1321 00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:45,480 They were still $2 before my employee discount. 1322 00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:47,400 And you just buy up whatever. 1323 00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:48,990 It didn't matter if you knew what it was. 1324 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,590 And then years later I'm like, "Oh, that's worth $200." 1325 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,780 - I know my parents personally 1326 00:58:53,830 --> 00:58:55,590 they've been a lot more interested 1327 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,096 in finding records for us. 1328 00:58:57,146 --> 00:59:00,890 And so my mom's like a, she's a big garage sale person. 1329 00:59:00,940 --> 00:59:02,100 She goes like every week. 1330 00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:04,500 And so, every time she goes out 1331 00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:06,430 she's always looking for records for us. 1332 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,160 - I just started flipping through the records anyway. 1333 00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:12,843 And I found John Carpenter, Halloween soundtrack on vinyl. 1334 00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:15,327 And that one, I looked it up 1335 00:59:15,377 --> 00:59:17,650 and it was of course the going rate 1336 00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:19,330 for a record is what people will pay. 1337 00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:20,410 But it looked like 1338 00:59:20,460 --> 00:59:25,460 what found it was a $300 record for 99 cents. 1339 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,650 So, that was a pretty good deal. 1340 00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:29,580 - [Rusty] Signed the originals 1341 00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:31,890 of The Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 1342 00:59:31,940 --> 00:59:35,940 have gone for a whopping 290K price tag. 1343 00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:38,160 It's also said the Ringo Starr's own copy 1344 00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:39,530 of the first ever pressing 1345 00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:41,420 of The Beatles white album is worth 1346 00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:44,540 somewhere around $700,000, 1347 00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:45,620 but that's nothing compared 1348 00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:48,520 to the jaw-dropping $2 million price tag 1349 00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:51,870 on Wu Tang Clan's album, Once Upon a Time in Shaolin, 1350 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,630 which was supposedly only pressed a vinyl once. 1351 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,290 This copy was so prestigious 1352 00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:58,052 that upon purchase, the buyer was forbidden 1353 00:59:58,102 --> 01:00:02,670 from selling this copy for an 88 year time period. 1354 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,290 - Val, you know, the founder and original owner worked 1355 01:00:06,340 --> 01:00:08,550 at Capitol Records when The Beatles came out 1356 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,270 and was called down on her day off to strip Butcher covers. 1357 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,860 So, I mean, that's the big one, and everyone always asked 1358 01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:18,330 why didn't you snag one of those, they're worth a fortune. 1359 01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:22,550 - This one is a Sunroll record that is handmade 1360 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,090 but cutting up shower curtains are just one of the kind. 1361 01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:27,923 - If you're aware of it 1362 01:00:27,973 --> 01:00:29,670 but there's something called Record Store Day 1363 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,503 and Record Store Day 1364 01:00:30,553 --> 01:00:34,660 actually the third Record Store Day is this Saturday. 1365 01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:35,760 So we're preparing for it. 1366 01:00:35,810 --> 01:00:38,743 There's boxes and boxes of unreleased tracks 1367 01:00:38,793 --> 01:00:40,580 in here that we're preparing for. 1368 01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:42,610 And what they did was a came out, 1369 01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:43,590 the records that come out 1370 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,850 come out usually in limited presses 1371 01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:47,507 but the big one is an April every year. 1372 01:00:47,557 --> 01:00:49,380 And it's to support Andy record shops. 1373 01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:50,800 And they would do with these special releases 1374 01:00:50,850 --> 01:00:51,633 only for that day. 1375 01:00:51,683 --> 01:00:52,930 They might re-issue them later, 1376 01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:55,169 but not with a special packaging or the special color 1377 01:00:55,219 --> 01:00:57,520 or it might be only for that day 1378 01:00:57,570 --> 01:00:59,210 and never be reissued in that. 1379 01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:02,760 - And they make it exclusive to independent record stores 1380 01:01:02,810 --> 01:01:04,500 which makes it super cool. 1381 01:01:04,550 --> 01:01:06,980 'Cause then people just, they want to drive traffic 1382 01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:10,206 back into record stores and keep those places around. 1383 01:01:10,256 --> 01:01:13,256 (sensational music) 1384 01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:32,170 - After the war, a source of 1947 1385 01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:35,730 my mother's brother came out of the air force 1386 01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:39,070 and bought this shop to, 1387 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,230 well at the time I think it's sold a bits 1388 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,450 of everything it's of. 1389 01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:46,040 We used to sell fancy goods, cigarettes 1390 01:01:46,090 --> 01:01:47,869 and things like that. 1391 01:01:47,919 --> 01:01:52,030 1950, he found another shop not far away 1392 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,620 his wife's thought of, like this older building. 1393 01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:58,671 So, and I'm talking of 1950 and then sort of 1951 1394 01:01:58,721 --> 01:02:03,721 she bought it off in for 400 and something quids 1395 01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:08,250 where with all the stock, a lot of which was, 1396 01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:10,840 as I say there were strange fancy goods and that 1397 01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:13,210 but we also used to sell 78s. 1398 01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:14,080 My mother started work 1399 01:02:14,130 --> 01:02:16,980 I think that she sold their first record when she was 30. 1400 01:02:17,971 --> 01:02:20,554 (gentle music) 1401 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,850 I've always been in a record shop 1402 01:02:43,139 --> 01:02:45,250 I bought the one in Old Swan in 1961. 1403 01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,150 So I was always around records. 1404 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,990 I used to come and help my mom from about 1980. 1405 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,467 Used to drop in after work 1406 01:02:51,517 --> 01:02:54,700 'cause I was actually a mail man for the Valley Shore. 1407 01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:56,860 So I do get up at four in the morning 1408 01:02:56,910 --> 01:02:57,970 and go and do a bit of, 1409 01:02:58,020 --> 01:03:00,223 I wasn't asking to drive in the thing I was helping. 1410 01:03:00,273 --> 01:03:01,714 And then after there, 1411 01:03:01,764 --> 01:03:02,860 'cause it was only around the corner 1412 01:03:02,910 --> 01:03:04,670 coming up a cup of tea with me now, 1413 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,083 and then I just started helping out. 1414 01:03:07,133 --> 01:03:09,253 And so I've sort of been there ever since. 1415 01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:12,519 It's very annoying when they come in 1416 01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:13,352 and tell you where they, 1417 01:03:13,402 --> 01:03:15,350 "Oh, I've just bought this from such and such a place." 1418 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,680 Do I care? (laughs) 1419 01:03:17,730 --> 01:03:19,572 Yeah, people that nice 1420 01:03:19,622 --> 01:03:20,900 I mean, we've got loads of regular customers 1421 01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:22,710 and they're all really nice people 1422 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,683 and I am so yeah, wouldn't change it for the world. 1423 01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:32,830 - [Rusty] The undeniable sound of Viner was proven itself 1424 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,990 many times over, but there's also a visual appeal. 1425 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,990 For many fans and collectors alike 1426 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,040 the artwork has sealed it's own place 1427 01:03:40,090 --> 01:03:41,691 within the vinyl phenomenon. 1428 01:03:41,741 --> 01:03:44,824 (instrumental music) 1429 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,100 - You look up the cover and you look at the photos 1430 01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:49,380 and the artwork that they did... 1431 01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:52,490 - The record covers are bigger, like a 12 by 12 thing. 1432 01:03:52,540 --> 01:03:54,200 - The image is big, you can read it. 1433 01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:56,200 It's a good thing. 1434 01:03:56,250 --> 01:03:57,140 - I like the idea. 1435 01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:59,850 Being able to read all the technical stuff 1436 01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:02,020 who is the engineer, who are the players 1437 01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:03,218 who were on the record, all that 1438 01:04:03,268 --> 01:04:06,000 you get all of that with your vinyl. 1439 01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:09,110 - The works large and sometimes they're gatefold sleeves 1440 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,870 that you can open and there's more work inside. 1441 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,510 There's lyrics printed on the inner sleeve or whatever. 1442 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,803 - And the great artwork, 1443 01:04:15,853 --> 01:04:19,080 it really is a big part of the listening process. 1444 01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:20,537 It's like people didn't make records 1445 01:04:20,587 --> 01:04:22,190 and just throw any old image up. 1446 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,400 There's a reason why they did it. 1447 01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:26,230 So you get this experience. 1448 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:27,160 - For a designer, 1449 01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:30,300 it can be really frustrating because you know 1450 01:04:30,350 --> 01:04:32,660 as any artists would say, you put all this effort 1451 01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:35,220 into this image and this artwork. 1452 01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:37,320 And of course, vinyl is like the ultimate. 1453 01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:38,187 'Cause you've got the big artwork. 1454 01:04:38,237 --> 01:04:40,063 You can really see what's going on. 1455 01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:42,470 But then of course, CDs came out 1456 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,880 and you're like opening the booklet. 1457 01:04:43,930 --> 01:04:45,970 And you're like, okay, this is okay. 1458 01:04:46,020 --> 01:04:47,400 I can kind of deal with this, 1459 01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:48,900 still just about see it. 1460 01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:51,850 And then now it's like, we're reduced to like a thumbnail 1461 01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,007 on like Spotify looking at it like, 1462 01:04:54,057 --> 01:04:54,960 "What is that?" 1463 01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:55,793 You know? 1464 01:04:55,843 --> 01:04:58,490 So it's a shame really that the artwork isn't as prominent 1465 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,270 you know, 'cause they're just reduced the size. 1466 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,320 - Visually, records have always drawn to the cover art 1467 01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:09,230 in the fifties when it was instrumental records, you know 1468 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,710 that even they would sometimes the classical records 1469 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,850 they would take paintings. 1470 01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:14,050 You know, like in, you know 1471 01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:15,660 there are some Jackie Gleason records 1472 01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:18,340 that have a Salvador Dali cover, you know 1473 01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:21,480 and Andy Warhol was a cover artist 1474 01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:24,820 and did a lot artists for jazz records as well. 1475 01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:26,224 - I mean, I think truthfully, some people 1476 01:05:26,274 --> 01:05:28,210 might not even have a turntable, 1477 01:05:28,260 --> 01:05:29,187 but they buy records 1478 01:05:29,237 --> 01:05:32,830 'cause they want the artwork, they want the lyrics 1479 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,080 they want the poster, hanging up. 1480 01:05:35,130 --> 01:05:38,470 - Sometimes I'll take the artwork out of the albums 1481 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,760 and you can't do that with a computer. 1482 01:05:39,810 --> 01:05:42,027 So I'll take, like I have this purple rain record 1483 01:05:42,077 --> 01:05:45,970 that's got this great poster of Prince and The Revolution. 1484 01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:47,180 I'll put that up behind me. 1485 01:05:47,230 --> 01:05:50,060 - I met this amazing book that my mum and dad had 1486 01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:53,280 that I was just completely obsessed with. 1487 01:05:53,330 --> 01:05:55,647 I would just like open up, read it like every day. 1488 01:05:55,697 --> 01:05:57,370 Its by Storm Thorgerson 1489 01:05:57,420 --> 01:05:59,000 who designed a lot of the album covers 1490 01:05:59,050 --> 01:06:00,660 and it was just an archive 1491 01:06:00,710 --> 01:06:03,210 like a giant collection of all these classic covers 1492 01:06:03,260 --> 01:06:05,210 on vinyl and it was vinyl size. 1493 01:06:05,260 --> 01:06:06,043 And it was incredible. 1494 01:06:06,093 --> 01:06:08,650 I just remember going through it, you know, read it 1495 01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:12,030 rereading it, looking at the note that just blew my mind. 1496 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,980 - I remember getting kissed alive too as well. 1497 01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:16,242 Never happened before though. 1498 01:06:16,292 --> 01:06:18,350 Wow, I mean open the cover and explosions 1499 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,603 and everything on the in the inner sleeve, fantastic. 1500 01:06:20,653 --> 01:06:22,770 - Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica, 1501 01:06:22,820 --> 01:06:24,500 and see the cover with the crazy fish head 1502 01:06:24,550 --> 01:06:25,860 I'm like, what the hell is this? 1503 01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:27,150 And I just bought it. 1504 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,030 And so I got into a lot of music 1505 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,860 because I just took a risk on it based on the album art. 1506 01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:36,110 - The covers are worth more than the record. 1507 01:06:37,540 --> 01:06:42,380 A lot of times, like this is a pretty special jazz record. 1508 01:06:42,430 --> 01:06:46,930 - Johnny Hallyday, Reve et Amour, dream and love. 1509 01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:49,290 But it's fantastic because it's kind of really catching 1510 01:06:49,340 --> 01:06:52,020 over the top, but it has all these little Johnny's 1511 01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:53,953 wearing all these little medallions. 1512 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,540 We've got Marlon Brando, we've got little Richard as a king. 1513 01:06:58,590 --> 01:06:59,580 - When they put the name 1514 01:06:59,630 --> 01:07:01,820 of the band on the bottom of the album. 1515 01:07:01,870 --> 01:07:04,480 So when you're flicking through you miss it 1516 01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:05,950 you don't know who it is. 1517 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,730 And some of these strange bands 1518 01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:10,480 they get this design of their name. 1519 01:07:10,530 --> 01:07:11,878 Can you read this? 1520 01:07:11,928 --> 01:07:15,011 (instrumental music) 1521 01:07:17,137 --> 01:07:18,370 I mean, it's funny. 1522 01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:20,120 I always thought one of the worst album covers 1523 01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:22,900 in the world was Love Beach by Emerson, Lake & Palmer. 1524 01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:25,620 You've got the three of them standing on the beach. 1525 01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:28,280 I mean, it's about as far from Prague as you can get. 1526 01:07:28,330 --> 01:07:31,210 And it's just that, would they have sung better 1527 01:07:31,260 --> 01:07:32,240 if they had the best of cover? 1528 01:07:32,290 --> 01:07:34,405 Possibly, who knows? 1529 01:07:34,455 --> 01:07:35,700 - And then my mum and dad's records, 1530 01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:38,590 we would have two copies of everything, 1531 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,700 one was mom's, one was dad's 1532 01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:42,890 and dad's was always in really good condition. 1533 01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:44,960 And mum's was always like really like covered 1534 01:07:45,010 --> 01:07:47,000 in like burn holes and ash. 1535 01:07:47,050 --> 01:07:48,610 And it was just, you know, 1536 01:07:48,660 --> 01:07:51,390 and so unknown sort of brown stains 1537 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:52,960 that just appeared out of nowhere 1538 01:07:53,010 --> 01:07:54,330 but then dad's would be pristine, 1539 01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:55,820 but mum's just looked like 1540 01:07:55,870 --> 01:07:57,770 she got out of the rubbish or something. 1541 01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:01,700 - I have found records, I've opened up records 1542 01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:04,640 and I'll open and seeds come rolling out. 1543 01:08:04,690 --> 01:08:06,170 I only can guess that 1544 01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:08,870 it's just great because maybe it's something 1545 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,150 about rolling it up against a right angle 1546 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,460 or something like that. 1547 01:08:12,510 --> 01:08:14,810 I have to ask my parents 1548 01:08:14,860 --> 01:08:16,763 'cause one of the records I'm talking about 1549 01:08:16,813 --> 01:08:19,020 it was their record, 1550 01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:22,760 so I don't know if they'd give me a truthful answer now. 1551 01:08:22,810 --> 01:08:25,060 Time changes people, but... 1552 01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:26,464 - We've had album covers 1553 01:08:26,514 --> 01:08:28,870 and we've sort of opened them up on this bare marks 1554 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,400 and all sorts and you know, even LPs with bare marks on. 1555 01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:36,250 So they've obviously been smoking something at the time. 1556 01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:39,790 - [Man] Maybe you're already stoned 1557 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,420 and you're looking at that inside cover 1558 01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:42,954 with all that great artwork, 1559 01:08:43,004 --> 01:08:45,321 totally mind blowing experience. 1560 01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:47,788 (echo sound) 1561 01:09:05,787 --> 01:09:08,787 (sensational music) 1562 01:09:23,651 --> 01:09:25,120 - My name is Shayne Blakeley. 1563 01:09:25,170 --> 01:09:27,470 I'm from Saginaw, Michigan originally. 1564 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:32,520 And I've been Val's go-to guy for almost 20 years. 1565 01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:37,500 Basically I worked at a different music store 1566 01:09:37,550 --> 01:09:40,350 in Michigan before I moved to CD store. 1567 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,020 And at the time high fidelity was new 1568 01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:46,630 and not nearly as creepy as it is now. 1569 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,390 And I saw John Cusack in that and decided 1570 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:52,870 that I had to kind of be that guy 1571 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,113 and own my own record store in Chicago. 1572 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,840 Things worked out in such a way that I was able to move here 1573 01:09:58,890 --> 01:10:00,287 and attempt to do that. 1574 01:10:00,337 --> 01:10:02,770 I only went to open a bank account in Logan Square 1575 01:10:02,820 --> 01:10:05,980 and my banker was like, "Oh, you gotta meet my friend Val." 1576 01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:07,450 And she sent me from there 1577 01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:11,760 to Oak Park to meet Val who was intimidating as hell 1578 01:10:11,810 --> 01:10:16,810 right off the get go, but gave her my very formal resume. 1579 01:10:16,970 --> 01:10:19,520 She demanded that I return it handwritten 1580 01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:23,410 in my own words with profanity and then called me back 1581 01:10:23,460 --> 01:10:26,150 for part-time work shortly after, 1582 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,740 that same day two different people 1583 01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:29,920 put in their two weeks notice. 1584 01:10:29,970 --> 01:10:32,510 I went full time on my first day. 1585 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,623 And then I was the sole employee from 2006 on. 1586 01:10:37,810 --> 01:10:40,610 We're one of the few record stores that have been around 1587 01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:44,420 through the peaks and valleys of the industry in general, 1588 01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:46,750 where, when Val opened up 1589 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,360 it was in the glory years. 1590 01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:50,330 And her favorite quote was that, 1591 01:10:50,380 --> 01:10:51,990 on any given week 1592 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,610 for my older teenagers in the neighborhood. 1593 01:10:54,660 --> 01:10:55,930 She got every dollar 1594 01:10:55,980 --> 01:10:58,901 except for maybe a little pot and a pair of jeans. 1595 01:10:58,951 --> 01:11:01,660 That was what the universe was. 1596 01:11:01,710 --> 01:11:02,700 That's where you spent your money. 1597 01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:04,444 That was the entertainment industry. 1598 01:11:04,494 --> 01:11:07,920 (sensational music) 1599 01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:10,580 Most of the records that we bring in are brought 1600 01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:14,530 to us, you know, customers come in every single day 1601 01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:16,290 you know, "Do you buy records? 1602 01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:18,850 Do you take in donations? 1603 01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:20,950 Do you like trade ins, things like that?" 1604 01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:24,780 which is, you know, that makes up the bulk of it. 1605 01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:28,873 We also order new product from several different places. 1606 01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:33,050 Time was way before my era 1607 01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:36,340 in my parents' era and throughout Val's legacy 1608 01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:38,410 that was the thing is, 1609 01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:40,130 you didn't get to, you know, 1610 01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:43,810 get on zoom or whatever and play call of duty 1611 01:11:43,860 --> 01:11:45,290 with your friends. 1612 01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:47,416 Somebody bought the new Led Zeppelin album 1613 01:11:47,466 --> 01:11:49,550 you met in that person's basement. 1614 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,470 You maybe got high if you're, you know 1615 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,110 if you had cool parents or parents that were oblivious 1616 01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,890 and you listened to that album front to back, 1617 01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:59,360 examined all of the liner notes 1618 01:11:59,410 --> 01:12:01,620 and you argued with the band themselves 1619 01:12:01,670 --> 01:12:04,080 over the track placement, you know, 1620 01:12:04,130 --> 01:12:05,200 this should have been on, you know 1621 01:12:05,250 --> 01:12:08,960 if this was on side A, this would have been perfect 1622 01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:11,200 but you know, as a result. 1623 01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:13,190 So it's a communal experience, 1624 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,630 not only with your friends, 1625 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,840 but with the record itself, with the band 1626 01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:20,790 I have a lot of favorite parts of the vinyl business. 1627 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,990 Obviously I've been doing this a long time, 1628 01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,310 but it is always gonna be interacting 1629 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,000 with the customers and talking music. 1630 01:12:30,050 --> 01:12:32,370 I hope the future for vinyl records look sunshiny. 1631 01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:34,570 'Cause obviously I've been here a long time 1632 01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:36,470 and I have no hope of leaving. 1633 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,460 I don't know what I would do otherwise. 1634 01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:39,790 So yeah, keep it up folks. 1635 01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,840 (sensational music) 1636 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,370 - You know, DJs and producers were already collecting 1637 01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:51,410 and spinning funk jazz soul by the late nineties 1638 01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:53,200 you know, I thought, okay, well, you know 1639 01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:55,820 I had 10,000 records in my house already. 1640 01:12:55,870 --> 01:12:57,480 For 40 years, 50 years, you know 1641 01:12:57,530 --> 01:13:00,800 that was the medium, how people listen to music. 1642 01:13:00,850 --> 01:13:03,170 I mean, I can't imagine if there were no records, 1643 01:13:03,220 --> 01:13:05,280 like how people would be listening to music. 1644 01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:08,720 You know, for me, that was the first thing that I touched. 1645 01:13:08,770 --> 01:13:10,150 Now, we've been through tape. 1646 01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,590 I mean, you know, we survived the tapes 1647 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,010 and the CDs and deck machines and all that kind 1648 01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:18,960 of digital now, but vinyl, you know, it's still around. 1649 01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:20,360 I think, you know, in my opinion, 1650 01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:22,910 it's not that hard artifact, you know, 1651 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,350 that, you know, you feel 1652 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,900 and you smell and you have in your living room, you know 1653 01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:30,070 it's something that it kind of forces you to listen 1654 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,130 to the music, every track you don't just skip through them. 1655 01:13:33,180 --> 01:13:35,510 I was just at a coffee shop, you know 1656 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,330 five minutes before I saw you. 1657 01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:38,657 You know, and the guy was saying, 1658 01:13:38,707 --> 01:13:41,850 "I really miss my record collection back home." 1659 01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:44,290 And you never hear that with CDs. 1660 01:13:44,340 --> 01:13:47,500 You know, it's always records, right? 1661 01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:49,420 For me, a digging was just 1662 01:13:49,470 --> 01:13:53,930 it's the concept of trying to find unknown tracks, you know 1663 01:13:53,980 --> 01:13:55,600 that other people don't have. 1664 01:13:55,650 --> 01:13:58,700 Producers always wanna be sampling 1665 01:13:58,750 --> 01:14:02,097 and DJ is gonna be playing tracks that other guys don't. 1666 01:14:02,147 --> 01:14:04,010 And that's how you differentiate yourself, right? 1667 01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:07,260 So we have a digging station in Ohio, right 1668 01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:10,280 where it's managed by my business partner, 1669 01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:12,820 Mmazi and his staff. 1670 01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:16,480 And we dig every day, you know 1671 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,114 because of technology, you know, in competition, 1672 01:14:21,164 --> 01:14:23,360 I can't be traveling to every city anymore. 1673 01:14:23,410 --> 01:14:25,810 So we decided that look, you know 1674 01:14:25,860 --> 01:14:26,710 we're gonna concentrate 1675 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,150 in one area that we did well and that's Ohio. 1676 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,270 And so we we've been concentrating probably 1677 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,310 for 20 years now. 1678 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,490 We've been digging out Ohio, but I've always kind of kept 1679 01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:39,380 to the notion that my personal records are separate 1680 01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:41,160 than my business records. 1681 01:14:41,210 --> 01:14:43,150 I went on a buying trip for six months 1682 01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,350 to the states looking for records for the shop only. 1683 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,010 So we go out there, but because of U.S. 1684 01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:51,220 America is so segregated and so polarized. 1685 01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:54,073 It's really dangerous to go 1686 01:14:54,123 --> 01:14:56,600 to certain neighborhoods if you're a minority 1687 01:14:56,650 --> 01:14:58,630 and we're in minority owned business. 1688 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,120 So, you know, we get to see people's homes 1689 01:15:01,170 --> 01:15:03,490 and how they collected these things for 40 years. 1690 01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:06,110 How did you come up with 3000 records in your house 1691 01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,130 you know, from the sixties, why did you buy this record? 1692 01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:09,963 You know, this is a, 1693 01:15:10,013 --> 01:15:12,096 there's a lot of historical records out there, you know 1694 01:15:12,146 --> 01:15:15,550 not just the music, but there's literature, records 1695 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,130 there's political records, things like that. 1696 01:15:18,180 --> 01:15:20,593 So we're really interested in that kind of stuff too. 1697 01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:23,420 10 years ago, it was pretty scary. 1698 01:15:23,470 --> 01:15:26,050 I think that's one of the reasons why Record Store Day 1699 01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:27,720 started in April, right? 1700 01:15:27,770 --> 01:15:30,500 'Cause April and maybe October, November 1701 01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:33,390 is the slowest part of the year. 1702 01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:36,000 So, you know, so many record stores are going on a business. 1703 01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:40,247 You know, you gotta trend is probably the worst thing 1704 01:15:40,297 --> 01:15:42,017 you can have for retail store. 1705 01:15:42,067 --> 01:15:44,240 You know, you never wanna be trending, right. 1706 01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:47,270 Because there's always an ups and down, you know 1707 01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,050 you always wanna be consistent, you know, 1708 01:15:50,100 --> 01:15:54,400 don't try to sell as many hamburgers like McDonald's does 1709 01:15:54,450 --> 01:15:55,480 you know that's not, 1710 01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:57,250 just because you're selling million hamburgers 1711 01:15:57,300 --> 01:15:58,930 doesn't mean you're the best, right? 1712 01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:01,730 It's not the best quality, try to look for quality. 1713 01:16:01,780 --> 01:16:05,585 You know, I think that's how we have to keep going 1714 01:16:05,635 --> 01:16:07,863 and to survive. 1715 01:16:13,940 --> 01:16:16,270 - [Rusty] Now, before anything can be reborn 1716 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,610 sadly it has to fade away first. 1717 01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:22,250 Was Sony's decision to stop the production of vinyl 1718 01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:26,470 back in 1989, really to blame for the fall of the record, 1719 01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,310 or was it just a natural progression of the ongoing saga 1720 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,150 of home entertainment and audio consumerism. 1721 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,070 Much like when grunge killed Hair Metal 1722 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,860 from one desk to another 1723 01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:39,368 it was about to be proven that even vinyl was replaceable. 1724 01:16:39,418 --> 01:16:41,835 (soul music) 1725 01:16:49,943 --> 01:16:54,310 - Vinyl was really the only thing there was for a long time 1726 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,800 and then, I'm gonna guess, I think in the late eighties 1727 01:16:58,850 --> 01:17:03,850 but from my experience, it was maybe about 88, 89 90 1728 01:17:04,270 --> 01:17:06,300 CD started coming along. 1729 01:17:06,350 --> 01:17:08,280 - In he nineties, you know, 1730 01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:11,830 kids I think the advent of the CD, you know, 1731 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,497 and like I said they opened, 1732 01:17:13,547 --> 01:17:16,770 Oh man, you're always the only old man music. 1733 01:17:16,820 --> 01:17:18,780 - Like the late eighties 1734 01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:20,940 I remember reading articles when I was in school. 1735 01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:23,840 And I remember seeing like the fall of record stores. 1736 01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:28,240 - Everyone dumped their vinyl and started buying CDs. 1737 01:17:28,290 --> 01:17:29,950 - [Mark] Phillips announced the next best thing 1738 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,256 to live music, compact disk. 1739 01:17:32,306 --> 01:17:33,690 (crowd chants) 1740 01:17:33,740 --> 01:17:36,570 Compact disk, another sensation. 1741 01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:38,560 - It was supposed to be the best, you know 1742 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:41,190 they're indestructible and they're super clean 1743 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,510 and they'll never wear out. 1744 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:48,560 - Record sales declined at major chain stores, you know, 1745 01:17:48,910 --> 01:17:52,590 back in mid eighties to early nineties 1746 01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,690 mostly because the chain stores gave up on it. 1747 01:17:55,740 --> 01:17:58,630 - I never dumped my vinyl off by just added CDs 1748 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,740 to my collection 1749 01:18:00,790 --> 01:18:04,970 - A lot of labels weren't even releasing vinyl anymore. 1750 01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:07,430 - CDs and actually cassettes 1751 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:11,394 took over popularity about 1985 or so. 1752 01:18:11,444 --> 01:18:14,460 And people forget that there was a small window 1753 01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:16,640 from about 85 to 87 1754 01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:18,790 the cassette was actually the biggest format 1755 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,740 'cause people had boom boxes. 1756 01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:21,930 They played them in their car. 1757 01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:25,388 ♪ You really feel the music with the Sony Walkman ♪ 1758 01:18:25,438 --> 01:18:26,810 - [Commercial Reporter] The Sony Walkman 1759 01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:29,150 is a tiny stereo cassette player 1760 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,578 with truly incredible sound. 1761 01:18:31,628 --> 01:18:32,475 (gentle music) 1762 01:18:32,525 --> 01:18:36,205 ♪ You really feel it ♪ 1763 01:18:36,255 --> 01:18:37,260 - [Commercial Reporter] Put on a Walkman 1764 01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:39,983 and see the world and our whole new light. 1765 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,512 The Walkman from Sony, the one and only. 1766 01:18:44,562 --> 01:18:46,542 - That was 95, it was just about dads. 1767 01:18:46,592 --> 01:18:48,190 I mean, that's why you pay one pound plus 1768 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:49,290 for the latest first album. 1769 01:18:49,340 --> 01:18:52,370 If you find that original, because nobody bought it. 1770 01:18:52,420 --> 01:18:55,292 - It's squeezed out because of the profitability 1771 01:18:55,342 --> 01:18:58,330 at the major chains that it's like while we make more money 1772 01:18:58,380 --> 01:19:01,850 in less space off of these CDs than we do off of records. 1773 01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:03,840 - I'm not sure if there was a time when bands 1774 01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:08,310 just never made vinyl, it was only CDs and cassettes. 1775 01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,010 There might've been some vinyl still produced 1776 01:19:11,060 --> 01:19:13,770 a large part of the nineties, a large chunk of the nineties 1777 01:19:13,820 --> 01:19:17,450 and early mid two thousands seems like the only thing 1778 01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:18,960 people did were CDs. 1779 01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:20,315 For a while there were CDs and cassettes 1780 01:19:20,365 --> 01:19:24,100 'cause cassette was still a viable form, 1781 01:19:24,150 --> 01:19:26,710 but then CDs just completely took over. 1782 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,260 And you're hard pressed for lack of a better word. 1783 01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:32,400 You were hard pressed to find vinyl. 1784 01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:36,410 - vinyl was kind of in the sort of the dark ages 1785 01:19:36,460 --> 01:19:40,130 of the nineties where CDs had sort of taken over. 1786 01:19:40,180 --> 01:19:42,220 - [Rusty] Some purists felt like listening to music 1787 01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:45,040 on CD was like cheating on their beloved vinyl. 1788 01:19:45,090 --> 01:19:47,710 And the compare disks new found high fidelity 1789 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,839 was simply Sonic infidelity. 1790 01:19:50,889 --> 01:19:52,740 - [Commercial Reporter] Music stores across Australia 1791 01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:53,790 are drastically overstock 1792 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,540 with hundreds of great compact discs 1793 01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:58,820 from the world's finest artists at very special low prices. 1794 01:19:58,870 --> 01:20:02,980 - Streaming music, I can't play a record in my car. 1795 01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:06,930 You know, I play CDs, I stream, I have Spotify. 1796 01:20:06,980 --> 01:20:08,010 A lot of times I need 1797 01:20:08,060 --> 01:20:10,620 I wanna hear something before I buy it, you know? 1798 01:20:10,670 --> 01:20:12,820 And so I'm gonna listen to it that way 1799 01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:16,393 before I spend, you know, $30 on a record. 1800 01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,900 So I've no problems with that being the go-to. 1801 01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:23,010 What I don't like about it is the lack 1802 01:20:23,060 --> 01:20:25,330 of money that the artists get from it. 1803 01:20:25,380 --> 01:20:27,700 Of course, the sound quality I can tell a huge difference 1804 01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:31,167 but my ear is trained to at this point. 1805 01:20:31,217 --> 01:20:33,510 And that's what people are learning or finding out. 1806 01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:34,483 - You know, people like to think 1807 01:20:34,533 --> 01:20:36,270 that there's other record stores around here. 1808 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:37,630 Are we in direct competition? 1809 01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,000 We're all friends, we're in competition with Amazon. 1810 01:20:41,050 --> 01:20:45,410 We're in competition with video games, more than anything 1811 01:20:45,460 --> 01:20:46,470 you look at any kind 1812 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,990 of new video game that takes like 50 hours to complete. 1813 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,530 If you're good, well, that used to be spent, you know 1814 01:20:54,580 --> 01:20:56,780 analyzing the liner notes of a Led Zeppelin. 1815 01:20:58,817 --> 01:21:01,400 (gentle music) 1816 01:21:30,170 --> 01:21:34,450 - Well, this is an interesting time to be interviewed 1817 01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:39,500 about this because as of last Friday 1818 01:21:40,090 --> 01:21:43,870 one of two companies that created the vinyl blanks 1819 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,190 that we use to cut masters 1820 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,410 there were two companies, was Apollo, Transco 1821 01:21:48,460 --> 01:21:51,570 and Bannon in California and MDC in Japan. 1822 01:21:51,620 --> 01:21:56,230 Apollo supplied 80% of the lacquer blanks to the world. 1823 01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:01,270 And they were wiped out Thursday 1824 01:22:02,350 --> 01:22:05,040 and early Friday in a devastating fire. 1825 01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:06,650 They are completely gone. 1826 01:22:06,700 --> 01:22:08,670 So this is an odd time to be doing this. 1827 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,300 'Cause right now, a lot of us in this industry are unsure 1828 01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:12,640 what's gonna happen. 1829 01:22:12,690 --> 01:22:17,230 So there may be shortages in the industry. 1830 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,480 There may be people that have a really hard time 1831 01:22:20,530 --> 01:22:22,510 getting their records cut, moving forward 1832 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,480 for a little while, until another company steps 1833 01:22:24,530 --> 01:22:28,180 up to fill the void to start making blank lacquers 1834 01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:31,031 which is an extremely difficult process. 1835 01:22:31,081 --> 01:22:33,664 (gentle music) 1836 01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,410 - The biggest issue that concerns me 1837 01:22:57,460 --> 01:22:58,870 is the thing that I already brought up 1838 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,679 which is that the production sort of problems 1839 01:23:02,729 --> 01:23:04,320 have been a thing. 1840 01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:06,920 And I worry, you know, people wanna come in here 1841 01:23:06,970 --> 01:23:07,753 and get something. 1842 01:23:07,803 --> 01:23:11,520 And if we don't have it, you know, 1843 01:23:11,570 --> 01:23:12,820 customers don't understand, 1844 01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:15,240 they don't care about production issues. 1845 01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:17,505 They don't think about that kind of stuff. 1846 01:23:17,555 --> 01:23:19,014 I mean, some people do, but generally, 1847 01:23:19,064 --> 01:23:22,530 like if I go to the grocery store and they don't have bread 1848 01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:24,920 I'm not gonna like ask them why they don't. 1849 01:23:24,970 --> 01:23:27,390 I'm just gonna like walk out and be like annoyed. 1850 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:28,490 Do you know what I mean? 1851 01:23:28,540 --> 01:23:31,610 And that's what I think would happen here too. 1852 01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:34,220 You know, some people might ask, but generally 1853 01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:36,290 people are gonna be like, why doesn't anybody have this? 1854 01:23:36,340 --> 01:23:37,340 Like, it's super annoying. 1855 01:23:37,390 --> 01:23:39,510 And I could see people like, just being like, 1856 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,500 you know what, I'm just gonna like, stream this stuff 1857 01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:44,420 and put again like I said, we're out of a couple of things 1858 01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:45,610 but we've got all this other stuff. 1859 01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:46,560 So I don't know. 1860 01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:49,090 I don't really see any end to it soon 1861 01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:50,093 right now it's just, you know, 1862 01:23:50,143 --> 01:23:52,493 like I said, each year it keeps going up, so... 1863 01:23:55,050 --> 01:23:56,426 - [Rusty] In a consumer's world where fans 1864 01:23:56,476 --> 01:23:58,580 have to have lots of everything, 1865 01:23:58,630 --> 01:24:01,770 a world with fats, trends and a love for toys. 1866 01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:05,270 It was inevitable that vinyl would return. 1867 01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:09,860 MRCs data confirms that as of the year 2020 vinyl attributed 1868 01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:13,500 to 27% of album sales in the U.S. alone 1869 01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:15,330 and asked for the U.K. vinyl sales 1870 01:24:15,380 --> 01:24:18,310 have been at their highest since the early nineties. 1871 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,620 It's not only a great time for music lovers. 1872 01:24:20,670 --> 01:24:22,650 It's a great time for up and coming artists 1873 01:24:22,700 --> 01:24:25,410 and bands who until now saw the idea 1874 01:24:25,460 --> 01:24:27,620 of having their own music released on vinyl, 1875 01:24:27,670 --> 01:24:29,480 as nothing more than a pipe dream 1876 01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:32,870 reserved for high flyers on major labels. 1877 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,450 With the rise of the internet and social media, 1878 01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:38,060 vinyl fans and collectors from all over the world 1879 01:24:38,110 --> 01:24:39,730 can finally be brought together 1880 01:24:39,780 --> 01:24:42,463 to truly realize their love for the medium. 1881 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,300 - I hate to call it a resurgence 'cause for me 1882 01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:46,420 it never went away. 1883 01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:47,370 - It never went away. 1884 01:24:47,420 --> 01:24:48,203 That's the first thing. 1885 01:24:48,253 --> 01:24:49,150 It never actually went away. 1886 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,010 It just slowed down. 1887 01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:53,800 - Vinyl, it's a strange art. 1888 01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:56,040 The stories that they were writing back in the nineties 1889 01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:57,220 were, "Oh, vinyl's dead. 1890 01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:59,020 When are they gonna stop making vinyl?" 1891 01:24:59,070 --> 01:25:01,690 Here we are 25 years later 1892 01:25:01,740 --> 01:25:03,860 from when they were writing those stories. 1893 01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:05,680 At that time vinyl wasn't dying. 1894 01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:07,660 It was dying out at the major chain stores, 1895 01:25:07,710 --> 01:25:09,110 like the Musicland and... 1896 01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,620 - People love anything that's like retro. 1897 01:25:11,670 --> 01:25:14,180 And I think that kind of vintage retro thing 1898 01:25:14,230 --> 01:25:16,890 is really popular and it's trendy. 1899 01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:19,590 And I think that's helped to accelerate, you know 1900 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,370 the rise of vinyl again. 1901 01:25:21,420 --> 01:25:22,847 - [Pete] No one really cared about CDs. 1902 01:25:22,897 --> 01:25:25,900 CDs were cool because you could put a bunch in an envelope 1903 01:25:25,950 --> 01:25:26,840 and take them your car. 1904 01:25:26,890 --> 01:25:31,010 And they were portable, but they weren't. 1905 01:25:31,060 --> 01:25:32,780 There was nothing sexy about them. 1906 01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:35,580 No, one's excited about the 3000 CDs they have 1907 01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:36,720 on a rack in their living room. 1908 01:25:36,770 --> 01:25:38,370 No one cares about that. 1909 01:25:38,420 --> 01:25:40,820 - Streaming, downloading and all of that 1910 01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:42,960 really just murdered the CD and made the record 1911 01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:44,620 look all the more attractive 1912 01:25:44,670 --> 01:25:47,360 and it largely with bragging rights. 1913 01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:49,440 And of course the sound was better 1914 01:25:49,490 --> 01:25:52,640 because, of course it was better. 1915 01:25:52,690 --> 01:25:55,230 - As the CD market crashed, 1916 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,170 that changed for vinyl, but the vinyl sales 1917 01:25:57,220 --> 01:25:58,250 were always going strong. 1918 01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,710 There were always people that were looking for vinyl. 1919 01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,840 It just wasn't a story that was talked bout. 1920 01:26:02,890 --> 01:26:06,270 - In mid two thousands it slowly started picking back up. 1921 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,670 - I don't vinyl is a fad that's going away. 1922 01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,850 I think it's the last tangible product 1923 01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:14,550 that's gonna make any sense. 1924 01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,790 - It was just like a slow build back up. 1925 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,900 And then probably maybe 2009 to 2010. 1926 01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:23,500 It really, the boom really started. 1927 01:26:23,550 --> 01:26:27,050 - I hope that vinyl does sail around for a long time 1928 01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:28,690 not because I have a record store, 1929 01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:31,770 but really because there's something really magical 1930 01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:33,193 about records. 1931 01:26:33,243 --> 01:26:35,270 - [Patrick] If you would have asked me like 10 years ago 1932 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,310 like how long do you think this is gonna last? 1933 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,930 I don't know that I would have said, 1934 01:26:39,980 --> 01:26:42,670 yeah, in 2020 we're still gonna be selling more 1935 01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:43,943 than we did the previous year. 1936 01:26:43,993 --> 01:26:45,130 Here We are. 1937 01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:46,950 - When I was telling somebody 1938 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,790 that I was considering starting a vinyl pressing plant 1939 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:51,623 they were kind of like, 1940 01:26:51,673 --> 01:26:53,450 well why wouldn't somebody purchase vinyl? 1941 01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:55,640 And I was like, well, you know 1942 01:26:55,690 --> 01:26:58,570 to physically own your music. 1943 01:26:58,620 --> 01:26:59,752 And they're like, you know, 1944 01:26:59,802 --> 01:27:01,790 'cause when I grew up, 1945 01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,300 fans of music and I've been a radio DJ 1946 01:27:04,350 --> 01:27:05,620 since I was in high school. 1947 01:27:05,670 --> 01:27:07,960 And so I've always been associated with music. 1948 01:27:08,010 --> 01:27:09,640 It was a big deal when you said, 1949 01:27:09,690 --> 01:27:10,960 yeah I own that record 1950 01:27:11,010 --> 01:27:13,060 or you know, I bought that record when it came out 1951 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:16,170 or I remember the day I bought those three records, right? 1952 01:27:16,220 --> 01:27:17,450 Like that's a big thing. 1953 01:27:17,500 --> 01:27:19,370 - Yeah, vinyl revival is no joke. 1954 01:27:19,420 --> 01:27:22,030 I mean, it's got, it sounded like Wikipedia link. 1955 01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,190 It's like registered as a real phenomenon. 1956 01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,430 - There's always fear of formats 1957 01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:31,200 and format changes as to what what's gonna change. 1958 01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:33,340 When cassettes came out, people were concerned 1959 01:27:33,390 --> 01:27:35,680 that you know, there were the stickers at home 1960 01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:38,788 taping is killing the music business and, you know 1961 01:27:38,838 --> 01:27:41,310 downloading is killing the music business 1962 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,140 but there are people that like to buy music 1963 01:27:44,190 --> 01:27:46,230 and like to physically own music. 1964 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,960 - No one's gonna come out with another physical format 1965 01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:51,700 that people are gonna appreciate as much as vinyl. 1966 01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:56,230 So vinyl is a analog reproduction of your record. 1967 01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,620 And I think there's something that's just sexy about that, 1968 01:27:58,670 --> 01:27:59,453 that people love. 1969 01:27:59,503 --> 01:28:01,450 - With vinyl you do get the full experience. 1970 01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:03,080 I mean, as a kid, I grew up with vinyl 1971 01:28:03,130 --> 01:28:04,620 not because it was my era. 1972 01:28:04,670 --> 01:28:06,390 I was from like the tape and CD era 1973 01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:08,120 but it's all my parents had. 1974 01:28:08,170 --> 01:28:11,020 But when you open it up and you know, you get the gate bowed 1975 01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:12,750 and you see like, you know, the images 1976 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,787 and the liner notes, and then you take the vinyl out 1977 01:28:14,837 --> 01:28:17,090 and you know, blow the dust off, put it on. 1978 01:28:17,140 --> 01:28:18,010 So I can experience. 1979 01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:20,620 - But I think it's gonna be a while before it goes away. 1980 01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:21,453 I really do. 1981 01:28:21,503 --> 01:28:22,610 And it's an investment. 1982 01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:24,300 - There will always be people 1983 01:28:24,350 --> 01:28:26,160 that wanna physically own music. 1984 01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:29,410 I think it's because, you know, it gives you a connection 1985 01:28:29,460 --> 01:28:31,533 to the artist, to the musicians you love. 1986 01:28:31,583 --> 01:28:35,250 - You know, if you had told me that we would outlast 1987 01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:38,160 like Tower Records and Virgin Records 1988 01:28:38,210 --> 01:28:40,070 and I would never have believed it. 1989 01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,411 - In the five years, it's probably been 1990 01:28:42,461 --> 01:28:45,160 at least eight new plants, new operations 1991 01:28:45,210 --> 01:28:46,210 that have opened up. 1992 01:28:47,660 --> 01:28:49,300 And some of them doing a really good job. 1993 01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:51,780 - We're dealing with local independent bands. 1994 01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:53,960 I can tell you, 15 years ago 1995 01:28:54,010 --> 01:28:56,480 local independent bands were pressing vinyl in this town. 1996 01:28:56,530 --> 01:28:59,740 So to me, 15 years from now, local independent bands 1997 01:28:59,790 --> 01:29:00,730 and labels are still going 1998 01:29:00,780 --> 01:29:02,470 to be pressing vinyl in this town. 1999 01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,090 - I don't see people just in their forties 2000 01:29:04,140 --> 01:29:07,420 and fifties and sixties and beyond buying records. 2001 01:29:07,470 --> 01:29:09,683 I see a lot of young people buying records. 2002 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,990 They make really affordable record players now 2003 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,350 that are less than a hundred dollars. 2004 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,560 So I think that a new generation of people 2005 01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:18,503 are buying records. 2006 01:29:18,553 --> 01:29:21,160 And I think that it could hopefully last a really long time 2007 01:29:21,210 --> 01:29:23,860 if they are excited about buying records. 2008 01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:26,530 - I hope it grows and grows and keeps going 2009 01:29:26,580 --> 01:29:28,750 because I think it's nice for people to have options. 2010 01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,910 I think it's a shame that a format that's just older 2011 01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,497 has to disappear and people can go, 2012 01:29:34,547 --> 01:29:36,450 "Well, no you can't listen to this anymore." 2013 01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:37,810 So it's nice to have the option. 2014 01:29:37,860 --> 01:29:39,597 It's nice that people have spoken up and they've said, 2015 01:29:39,647 --> 01:29:42,580 "Hey, we love vinyl, you know, bring it back." 2016 01:29:42,630 --> 01:29:44,680 And it's back, so... 2017 01:29:44,730 --> 01:29:46,360 - Got a lovely little lousy. 2018 01:29:46,410 --> 01:29:48,490 I don't know, it was supposed to be about 12, 13 2019 01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:50,513 comes in when they start label screen 2020 01:29:50,563 --> 01:29:51,950 he's been buying all the clean stuff. 2021 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,150 - A younger generation, 2022 01:29:53,985 --> 01:29:56,320 you know, the difference between that era in the nineties 2023 01:29:56,370 --> 01:29:58,337 kids used to come in, they'd open the door and like, 2024 01:29:58,387 --> 01:29:59,680 "Oh man it's just records" 2025 01:29:59,730 --> 01:30:01,810 and locked right back out. 2026 01:30:01,860 --> 01:30:03,207 Nowadays, kids open door like, 2027 01:30:03,257 --> 01:30:05,747 "Oh man, it's only records, it's so cool." 2028 01:30:06,630 --> 01:30:09,065 - The minute people stop coming in here asking us questions 2029 01:30:09,115 --> 01:30:10,500 at Christmas about what kind 2030 01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:12,800 of turntable they need to buy their significant other 2031 01:30:12,850 --> 01:30:16,240 or their child or whatever for Christmas. 2032 01:30:16,290 --> 01:30:19,140 Then that's when we know it's going away. 2033 01:30:19,190 --> 01:30:21,205 And so far that hasn't happened. 2034 01:30:21,255 --> 01:30:23,838 (gentle music) 2035 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,410 - [Rusty] So there is vinyl in a nutshell, 2036 01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:34,570 we've talked to the fans, the collectors and the experts. 2037 01:30:34,620 --> 01:30:35,403 And we're not convinced 2038 01:30:35,453 --> 01:30:38,650 that our beloved LP will be going anywhere anytime soon. 2039 01:30:38,700 --> 01:30:42,410 As vinyl sales continue to rise, the music plays on. 2040 01:30:42,460 --> 01:30:44,860 Of course audio technology is a never ending, 2041 01:30:44,910 --> 01:30:46,240 ever evolving concept 2042 01:30:46,290 --> 01:30:49,100 that's not likely to slow down anytime soon. 2043 01:30:49,150 --> 01:30:50,410 For some of us however, 2044 01:30:50,460 --> 01:30:53,270 just can't imagine a world without records. 2045 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:54,360 And why should we? 2046 01:30:54,410 --> 01:30:56,370 As long as the juxbox has life in it 2047 01:30:56,420 --> 01:30:58,160 our vinyl records will be spinning 2048 01:30:58,210 --> 01:31:00,299 for a very long time. 2049 01:31:00,349 --> 01:31:03,349 (sensational music) 154352

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