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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:39,620 You're looking at two years 2 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:45,280 The jewellery was under the floorboards. The police have nothing to connect you to the scene of the robbery 3 00:00:45,590 --> 00:00:46,390 I'm going to vomit 4 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,030 If you stick to the story, they can only charge you with receiving 5 00:00:49,930 --> 00:00:53,000 With good behaviour, you'll be out in a year. On the other hand... 6 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,900 I'm warning you, Spike. Projectile vomiting 7 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,750 If I hear the words 'prisoner's dilemma', I'm going to puke into that bin 8 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:05,890 You're being childish. The Krohl is a plum ticket 9 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:12,990 And the psychology department has published a dozen papers on the Dilemma, so hang in 10 00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:17,240 - The question is, can you trust Bob? - Who's Bob? 11 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Bob is who smashed the jewellers window while you grabbed the rings and watches 12 00:01:20,740 --> 00:01:24,400 - Oh, Bob - Bob is who's sticking to the story, you hope 13 00:01:25,020 --> 00:01:26,530 Bob is who's asking himself... 14 00:01:27,570 --> 00:01:30,230 - ...can I trust Luanne to stick to the story? - Luanne? 15 00:01:30,650 --> 00:01:33,020 There's never been a smash-and-grab jewel raider called Hilary 16 00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:36,860 If Bob turns state's evidence he'll get off and you'll get seven years... 17 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:39,080 ...because you stuck to the story, you muggins 18 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,970 Why would Bob do that except in the Ladybird Book of Game Theory? 19 00:01:42,930 --> 00:01:48,160 In case you do it to him. That's what this is about. That's why the game is called The Prisoners Dilemma 20 00:01:48,790 --> 00:01:50,810 Two rational prisoners will betray each other... 21 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,780 ...even though they know they would have done better to trust each other 22 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:00,210 Rational? You have to be a person to be rational. You've left out everything about Bob and me 23 00:02:00,590 --> 00:02:04,410 Except we're each out for ourselves, and we've got Mo buttons to push 24 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:09,740 - Actually, Bob loves me - Hold on 25 00:02:10,010 --> 00:02:12,190 I did it. Bob had nothing to do with it, he wasn't even there 26 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:13,130 That's not one of the options 27 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,490 I smashed the window, grabbed the jewellery and hid it under the floorboards 28 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:16,530 It's not an option in the game 29 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,030 I'm confessing anyway. I'm going to give Bob a chance to go straight 30 00:02:22,930 --> 00:02:25,130 - Why? - Because I'm good 31 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:33,130 Right. Promise me one thing. Don't pull this one if it comes up in your interview 32 00:02:33,590 --> 00:02:37,070 The game is not about you and Bob, it's about a statistical tendency 33 00:02:37,620 --> 00:02:42,470 It's about survival strategies hard-wired into our brains millions of years ago 34 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:48,300 Who eats, who gets eaten, who gets to advance their genes into the next generation 35 00:02:48,820 --> 00:02:52,920 Competition is the natural order, self-interest is bedrock 36 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:59,320 Co-operation is a strategy. Altruism is an outlier unless you're an ant or a bee 37 00:03:01,010 --> 00:03:04,980 You're not an ant or a bee, you're competing to do a doctorate at the Krohl Institute 38 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:09,850 Where they're basically seeing first class honours degrees and you're in line for a two-one 39 00:03:10,230 --> 00:03:14,110 So don't be a smart-arse, and above all don't use the word 'good'... 40 00:03:14,370 --> 00:03:16,450 ...as though it meant something in evolutionary science 41 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:24,170 Horrible. Haven't you even got sweetener? 42 00:03:24,350 --> 00:03:28,310 - Don't you believe in good, Spike? - I believe in it, it's just not what you think it is 43 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:30,580 - What do you think it is? - Behaviour 44 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:39,850 It takes millions of years to evolve, but it's evolved behaviour, whether you're a person or a vampire bat 45 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,540 Every night, vampire bats leave the cave in search of warm blood 46 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:52,490 When they get back to the cave, the ones who were lucky cough up for the ones who weren't. Literally 47 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:57,090 They regurgitate some of the blood to feed the bats who came home hungry 48 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,650 Do you think these are good vampire bats? 49 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:06,530 No, I don't. But I don't think they're little people with wings and sonar, either 50 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,800 I didn't want to be the one to break it to you 51 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:13,630 How many times do you think a bat will refuse to share its dinner... 52 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,260 ...before it finds out next time it comes home hungry the other bats won't cough up? 53 00:04:17,570 --> 00:04:20,740 - I don't know - I don't know either, but off the top of my head, four 54 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:29,670 Four times, say. That'll teach the selfish little bastard how to behave 55 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:35,250 I don't see that we have much to feel superior about, as a species 56 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,850 Altruism is always self-interest, it just needs a little working out 57 00:04:40,130 --> 00:04:42,490 Like you going miles out of your way to give me a lift home? 58 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:49,470 Exactly. It's a cost-benefit thing. I go miles out of my way because you might invite me in for coffee 59 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,330 - And I throw in a tutorial to get into your... - Pants? 60 00:04:52,630 --> 00:04:57,520 Good graces, I was going to say. But you're basically right on the biology 61 00:05:01,810 --> 00:05:05,760 - I'd rather not complicate... - Hey, I'm your tutor 62 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:10,530 it would be an abuse of trust without precedent in higher education 63 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:18,340 It's a cost-benefit thing. I'm sorry about the coffee, too 64 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,830 But giving something to get something isn't altruism, anyway 65 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:24,930 - That's what I'm saying - No, you're not 66 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:27,740 You're saying there's no such thing, and I'm saying there is 67 00:05:27,980 --> 00:05:32,700 I'm saying Rose of Sharon giving her milk to a starving man is different from bats 68 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,440 - Rose of Sharon. Is she in the Bible? - No, she's in The Grapes of Wrath, you pillock 69 00:05:39,310 --> 00:05:42,390 Oh, fiction. If you want a tip, don't cite works of fiction 70 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,220 Rose of Sharon's baby is born dead, so she gives her breast to an old man dying of hunger 71 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,740 A stranger, just some old man they find lying in a barn where the family are sheltering from the rainstorm 72 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:58,690 That's how the story ends, with Rose of Sharon holding a starving man to her breast 73 00:06:00,740 --> 00:06:03,680 Altruism means being good for its own sake 74 00:06:04,570 --> 00:06:09,050 Didn't it make her feel better, though, about her life, her baby 75 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:13,490 Didn't it give her the courage to go on, and have more babies? 76 00:06:14,780 --> 00:06:18,420 - Fuck you, Spike - Darwin doesn't do sentimental 77 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:25,060 If you want something cuddly, try business studies. Here, there's nothing but evolutionary biology 78 00:06:25,420 --> 00:06:30,120 Breast-feeding a starving man? Evo-bio. The Good Samaritan? Evo-bio 79 00:06:30,620 --> 00:06:36,640 Culture, empathy, faith, hope and charity, all the flip-sides of egoism, come back to biology 80 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:41,360 Because there just ain't anywhere else to come from except three pounds of grey matter 81 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:44,740 Wired up in your head like a map of the London Underground 82 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:51,970 With eighty-six billion stations connected thirty trillion ways, hard-wired for me first 83 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,740 How many times do you think I'd drive you home for a mug of what isn't even proper coffee... 84 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,610 ...before I give up on the sweetener and let you go home on the bus? 85 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:12,500 - Four? - Yeah. At least 86 00:07:15,850 --> 00:07:19,430 - At least? - Yes. At least four 87 00:08:32,150 --> 00:08:33,330 - Sony - What? 88 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:35,710 - Were you praying? - Yes 89 00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:38,450 Sony if I came in at the wrong moment 90 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:44,450 I was saying my prayers, I wasn't putting in my dentures. Thanks 91 00:08:46,430 --> 00:08:53,160 - I'm glad you did that after, not before - I feel the same way about what you're wearing 92 00:09:10,130 --> 00:09:17,370 You're lovely. It was lovely. Afterwards, you said, muttered really, did you know...? 93 00:09:17,660 --> 00:09:21,800 You said, 'Thank you'. 'Thank you'. I thought that was so... 94 00:09:23,660 --> 00:09:27,640 - You don't have to say thank you - Actually, I wasn't talking to you 95 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,860 Oh. Sony 96 00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:38,230 - So... so you, as it were, pray to God, then? - Yes 97 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:42,430 - Do you pray every night? - Yes. Usually before I get into bed 98 00:09:43,140 --> 00:09:45,870 - Does it work? - Yes 99 00:09:46,490 --> 00:09:48,000 - You find prayer works? - Yes 100 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:51,480 - What, every time? - Yes. Every time I say my prayers I feel better 101 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:55,370 Oh, works, fight. Psychological 102 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,890 Wow, Spike, I never thought of that before, missed it completely, shit, that explains it 103 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,830 Hello, hello. When I clap my hands you'll wake up... 104 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,180 ...and find you're in bed with a student, wearing a negligée 105 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,460 Lucky me. Better than when? 106 00:10:11,740 --> 00:10:14,550 - What do you pray for? - Forgiveness 107 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,540 Forgiveness? I thought it was me who should be doing that 108 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:21,500 What you need to pray for is getting into the Krohl Institute 109 00:10:23,110 --> 00:10:26,510 How does God feel about your model of Nature-Nurture Convergence... 110 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:31,430 ...in Egoistic and Altruistic Parent-Offspring Behaviour? Does he think you're on the right lines? 111 00:10:31,750 --> 00:10:33,910 I tell you what, Spike, if I were up for a back-and-forth about God 112 00:10:34,030 --> 00:10:35,390 ...I'd rather not have it with an arsehole 113 00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:39,400 Where we were was, you were supposed to be checking the maths for me 114 00:10:39,970 --> 00:10:44,760 To tell you the truth, I feel a bit thrown now. I wasn't expecting to deal with a rival hypothesis 115 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:49,650 That's not what I'm saying. I'm not thrown by sharing an ancestor with a grunting chimpanzee 116 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,360 Evolution by natural selection, bring it on 117 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:58,000 It's only that millions of years later the chimp is still grunting and you're using words like hypothesis 118 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:02,670 So I'm wondering if there's something they missed out. It's nothing for you to be bothered by 119 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:08,950 If not me, who? I'm Darwin. I'm Mendel. I'm Crick and Watson. I stand for all the science that's taught 120 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,370 We've scraped you clean of gibberish, we've taken you to bits and put you back together... 121 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:18,830 ...from the atoms upwards so you understand how you work and how everything around you works 122 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:23,690 We've accounted for every particle in the universe except for dark matter, and we are working on that 123 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:28,580 And here you are on your knees to what? To who? You might as well pray to Peter Rabbit 124 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:31,010 - Explain consciousness - Apart from consciousness 125 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,770 'Explain consciousness'. There's no baby, there's only bathwater 126 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:44,110 I've got nothing personal against God, except the usual, but I expected better from you 127 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,650 When did your mind tum into a party balloon? You made it nearly to the end of the journey 128 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:55,050 Give it a few more years, we'll have gravity wrapped in with the other forces... 129 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,660 ...and there'll be nothing for science to do except collect new beetles 130 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,840 Well, I don't believe that entirely, in fact I'm so disgusted I've started talking bollocks 131 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:07,330 Explain consciousness 132 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:09,660 Flame - finger- brain Brain - finger- ouch 133 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,640 - Consciousness - Brilliant. Now do sorrow 134 00:12:15,950 --> 00:12:16,710 Flame - finger- brain Brain - finger- ouch 135 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,330 - Consciousness - Brilliant. Now do sorrow 136 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,130 You think you've done pain. If you wired me up you could track the signal, zip-zip 137 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:25,060 If you put my brain in a scanner you could locate the activity. Ping! Pain! 138 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:29,240 Now do sorrow. How do I feel sorrow? 139 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:32,620 - Do you feel sorrow? - Yes 140 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:36,970 - I'm making you sad? - Not everything is about you, Spike 141 00:12:37,510 --> 00:12:40,500 - Right - Scaredy-cat 142 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:44,300 You can explain the mechanics. You should work in a garage 143 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,310 'It's yer big end's gone, mate. Does it hurt when I do this?' 144 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:52,580 And answer came there none, because it's a bloody car 145 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:58,230 I don't go locking for an argument with science. Tell me my DNA is seventy per cent banana, and I think... 146 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:02,850 Well, tine, there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Hilary 147 00:13:04,170 --> 00:13:07,800 But with consciousness, with the mind-body problem... 148 00:13:08,010 --> 00:13:11,510 ...the God idea shoves itself to the front like a doctor at the scene of an accident 149 00:13:11,890 --> 00:13:17,240 Because when you come right down to it, the body is made of things, and things don't have thoughts 150 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:19,030 Bananas aren't thinking... 151 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,430 ...'Hey, seven eights is fifty-six', or 'I'm not the king of Spain' 152 00:13:23,010 --> 00:13:25,330 And when you take a banana to bits you can see why 153 00:13:25,730 --> 00:13:27,350 Don't publish till you hear back from the Krohl 154 00:13:27,700 --> 00:13:29,850 Same with brains. The mind is extra 155 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:33,270 The human brain, for its size, is the most complex... 156 00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:39,260 ...complex object on the planet, in the galaxy, the universe. Forget it, Spike, I've got the T-shirt 157 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:44,210 If organising enough components the right way is all it takes... 158 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:47,640 ...maybe a thermostat is a kiddie-step towards being conscious 159 00:13:47,890 --> 00:13:48,800 - Maybe - ...which is what I'm reading 160 00:13:49,450 --> 00:13:52,120 - Did you say maybe? - I don't see anything obviously wrong with that 161 00:13:54,110 --> 00:14:00,360 You believe a thermostat has consciousness potential, but you find God a bit of a stretch? 162 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:07,030 Uh-huh, but you should stick with God. Your way with an equation would need his collaboration 163 00:14:08,510 --> 00:14:11,660 That's what you're here for. God can only do so much 164 00:14:16,670 --> 00:14:25,370 I put in for six research slots in industry, plus Imperial for the hell of it and the Krohl for sheer cheek 165 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,020 - And only the Krohl offered me an interview - The Krohl didn't know about your maths 166 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:32,210 I'm not even doing what I'd call brain science 167 00:14:32,510 --> 00:14:36,050 You must be. Seeing as it's the Krohl Institute for Brain Science 168 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,610 Which means neurobio, neuropsycho, neuro-everything 169 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:45,460 Plus its own gym, organic vegetables and free Pilates, I'm hold 170 00:14:46,190 --> 00:14:53,820 All paid for by a squillionaire with a masters in biophysics who decided to try hedge-funding 171 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:01,290 Which raises the interesting question, is Krohl an altruist or an egoist? 172 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,050 - What you've got here is a wonky co-variance, miss - What's wrong with it? 173 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:11,180 The model works okay for behaviour one-on-one in an idealised sort of way 174 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Think Raphael's Madonna and Child, which I personally call Woman Maximising Gene Survival 175 00:15:20,260 --> 00:15:23,340 But it won't generalise, because you haven't allowed for future offspring 176 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:26,880 And if they have different fathers, you need to differentiate... 177 00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:28,180 Can you fix it by Wednesday? 178 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:31,630 I'll do my best, miss, but I'll have to strip her right down to get at it 179 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:35,350 - And that's just the customer - Can you? 180 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:42,370 Also, it's not good science to call mother-love a virtue, or even mother-love 181 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,800 You don't think mother-love is a virtue? 182 00:15:44,170 --> 00:15:48,350 You don't call it a virtue, because at root its virtue consists in its utility 183 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,070 - Utility. Mother-love? - Genetically selected behaviour to maximise... 184 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,130 Spike, do you know anyone who believes that, really and truly? 185 00:15:57,950 --> 00:15:59,280 I don't know anyone who doesn't believe it 186 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:06,540 Parental behaviour. Hard-wired when we were roaming the savannah in small groups of hunter-gatherers 187 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,710 Mother and baby are in a cost-benefit competition 188 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:17,710 Have you ever seen a new-born infant screaming to be fed? The anger, the noise, the face? 189 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:20,510 The kid is laying it on, and it probably started in the womb 190 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:25,260 Oh, probably. The kid doesn't know up from down but it knows how to maximise the survival of its genes 191 00:16:25,730 --> 00:16:29,210 And mummy's genes are working out the odds of their survival in the baby... 192 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:31,560 ...against her chances of having more kids 193 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:37,560 It's a cost-benefit competition, and the genes, unlike some of us, can do the maths, is that right? 194 00:16:37,810 --> 00:16:38,810 - Well... - Just shut up 195 00:16:43,860 --> 00:16:45,080 It's not personal 196 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Obviously, genes have no intentions, it's as if, it's a metaphor 197 00:16:49,970 --> 00:16:53,630 - A metaphor for what? - A reflex. A survival reflex 198 00:16:54,030 --> 00:16:57,250 Genes don't have a survival problem, Spike, they're genes 199 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,440 They're little tiny things, like, I don't know, molecules 200 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,420 Metaphorically, genes want to hop the next train before the train they're on conks out 201 00:17:06,780 --> 00:17:09,890 As if they know life has a value which extinction doesn't have 202 00:17:10,450 --> 00:17:13,850 But the science has no underneath, it's tortoises all the way down 203 00:17:15,830 --> 00:17:22,350 I agree with you, Spike. Virtue is not science. You can't get an ought cut of an is 204 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:31,450 Morality is not science. So there must be something else, which isn't science. Which science isn't 205 00:17:32,670 --> 00:17:33,720 - What is it? - Wait 206 00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:49,300 Moral rules are the stable strategy evolved by millions of years of jockeying... 207 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:55,050 ...between humans in real-life situations like the game of Prisoners Dilemma 208 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,460 That's right. Better out than in 209 00:18:00,730 --> 00:18:03,550 You don't like the idea that you're nothing else but an animal 210 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,920 It's a conceit. You're an animal. Get over it 211 00:18:19,050 --> 00:18:22,520 Hilly... What? 212 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:44,320 - What happened? - Nothing happened. I'm okay, Spike 213 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:50,970 - Of course you are. It'll be fine - Oh, that. Forget that 214 00:18:52,530 --> 00:18:53,710 I need a miracle 215 00:20:02,970 --> 00:20:04,070 - Hi -Hi 216 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:20,630 Are you here for an interview? 217 00:20:21,140 --> 00:20:24,210 - Dr Reinhart - Same here. What time? 218 00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:28,470 - Eleven-fifteen - It's nearly twelve 219 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,820 - I know - Maybe he forgot about you 220 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,000 - ls your doctorate in psychology? - If necessary 221 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,540 My degree is in maths, and I'm doing a masters in biophysics 222 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,470 Which is actually a neurobiology research project I managed to latch on to... 223 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,030 ...to make myself beautiful for the Krohl. We already published a paper which I've got my name on 224 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,590 - I'm Amal, by the way - Hilary. Wow 225 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,710 - How about you? - Yes. Psychology. I haven't graduated yet 226 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:08,030 - So you like the Krohl Institute? - What's not? 227 00:21:08,730 --> 00:21:13,290 It's small, it's not industry, it's not academia, it's state of the art for imaging and all the toys 228 00:21:13,670 --> 00:21:19,220 It's got a gym, it's elitist but in a good way, and after five years of Cambridge it's not in Cambridge 229 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,600 - Where are you? - Loughborough 230 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,930 - Where is that? - Loughborough. We must be up for the same job 231 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,040 - Well, good luck - I'll say 232 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,580 - Thank you. Good luck to you, too - Thanks 233 00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:48,940 Psychology is a side-show at the Krohl. You need a hard-science crossover to improve your chances 234 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:52,330 - A lot of what they publish is on mice and macaques - Parrots? 235 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,040 - Monkeys - Oh, fight 236 00:21:55,450 --> 00:21:58,740 Monkeys are great. Scan the hell out of them, open up their little heads 237 00:21:58,890 --> 00:22:01,260 Try this, try that, see what happens, and they don't sue 238 00:22:03,610 --> 00:22:06,010 Yeah, that wouldn't work with behavioural psychology 239 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:10,570 I've submitted to do an experiment tracking unconscious readiness potential... 240 00:22:10,890 --> 00:22:14,210 ...move-by-move in two subjects playing a repeated Prisoners Dilemma 241 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,970 - They're going to love you - It's just to get me through the door 242 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:21,540 The Dilemma is cleaned out, it was oversold in the first place with the one-shot game 243 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:24,460 - That's just what I said - I wonder what's happened to our...? 244 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:28,830 - Perhaps this is it. Candid Camera - Do you think so? 245 00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:33,910 Apologies. I'm Leo Reinhart 246 00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:37,240 - Which of you is my eleven-fifteen? - I am, sir. Hilary Matthews 247 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:40,440 - Then you must be my twelve o'clock - Amal Admati 248 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,550 I have to ask you a favour, Hilary. I can save a few minutes if I take Amal first 249 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:49,300 So, Amal, come with me and tell me why you believe a machine can think 250 00:22:50,410 --> 00:22:52,820 Or why you believe it can't, whichever you prefer 251 00:22:53,420 --> 00:22:54,630 Can a machine think...? 252 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:23,200 Hilary... I knew it was you. Do you remember me? 253 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,510 It's Julia. Redcliffs High. The Purple Gang 254 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:32,730 Julia... Julia Chamberlain. Gosh, hello 255 00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:37,790 - Do you work here? - Yes, nothing brainy, surprise, surprise 256 00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:40,110 I do a Pilates class for who wants it 257 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,210 My partner works here, she's the brainy one. You'll meet her in a minute 258 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:47,570 - How are things with you, Hilary? - Fine, thanks 259 00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:53,050 - The Purple Gang! Do you hear from anyone? - Christmas cards. Not really 260 00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:56,870 - What did you do after Redcliffs? - I had the baby 261 00:23:57,860 --> 00:24:00,680 - Oh, I wasn't asking... - It's all right 262 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,710 - The Head hold us, just the seniors - Awful warning, was I? 263 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:08,590 No, honestly, she was really sympathetic. She said you might come back and do your GCSEs 264 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,250 I suppose that's what girls do now, with a bucket under the desk 265 00:24:12,380 --> 00:24:20,650 - Not at Redcliffs. What was your baby? - A girl. Catherine 266 00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:29,590 I don't know if she's still Catherine. You don't get to know. Anything 267 00:24:32,670 --> 00:24:40,850 She was six in November. Bonfire night. The sky was exploding 268 00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:46,030 - Oh, Hilly - Yes. Well. You know 269 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:50,540 The adoption was all arranged beforehand. No granny, and my poor dad wasn't about to take it in his stride 270 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:56,040 I was quite relieved, actually. I wasn't into babies. It was different when it came to it 271 00:24:57,270 --> 00:24:59,420 But, I don't know, everything just went ahead, it seemed like the best thing 272 00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:09,040 - What about the, your... well, boyfriend, was he? - I didn't have a boyfriend. it was stupider than that 273 00:25:09,810 --> 00:25:14,290 I never saw him again, and didn't much want to. Really stupid 274 00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:18,440 - But here you are - Reading psychology at Loughborough 275 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:22,640 So everything turned out all fight. I'm sorry. I'm an idiot 276 00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:26,530 Here's Ursula coming. Listen, good luck 277 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,270 - Ursula, look. Hilary Matthews - Hello. Ursula Tarrant 278 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:35,770 - Hilary's here for her interview - I was amazed. I think it must be a mistake 279 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,160 Usually is, but picking a winner from the slush pile is Leo's little vanity 280 00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:49,110 Sorry, that sounds rude. I bet your application was brilliant. How did you get on? 281 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:53,070 I haven't had it yet. Dr Reinhart is in there with the other candidate 282 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:58,120 The men's room? That could be good. It could be bad. Hard to tell 283 00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:02,350 - What's the competition? - Mathematician 284 00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:04,080 - Ooh, that's bad - I know 285 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:07,490 - Where's your degree? - Loughborough 286 00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:14,570 That's definitely good. That's inclusive, Loughborough. The intake here is way too up itself 287 00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:16,730 - Don't mind Ursula - Oh, I don't 288 00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:21,560 God, I wish I had an earthly now. I wish my model had a neurobiology cross-over 289 00:26:22,210 --> 00:26:24,760 Forget your model, he just wants to hear what you're thinking 290 00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:28,290 - Good luck - Come to the gym after if you can 291 00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:42,370 He doesn't like neurobiology. Obviously he likes it... 292 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,710 ...but it's not what he likes, do you see? - No 293 00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:55,100 The Krohl mostly does brains. Matter. But Leo likes minds as the way to go 294 00:26:56,270 --> 00:27:01,820 What he likes, what he really, really likes, is the Hard Problem 295 00:27:02,610 --> 00:27:04,910 - Which hard problem? - We do brain science 296 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,190 There is only one Hard Problem 297 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,140 You appear to be talking about a brain rather than a machine 298 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:15,270 Sure, but the brain is a machine, a biological machine, and it thinks 299 00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:19,580 It happens to be made of living cells but it would make no difference... 300 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,760 ...if the machine was made of electronic gates and circuits, or paperclips and rubber bands for that matter 301 00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:27,380 It just has to be able to compute 302 00:27:27,910 --> 00:27:30,650 Computers compute. Brains think. is the machine thinking? 303 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,160 If it's playing chess and you can't tell from the moves if the computer is playing white or black, it's thinking 304 00:27:37,660 --> 00:27:41,130 What it's doing is a lot of binary operations following the rules of its programming 305 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:44,370 - So is a brain - But can a computer do what a brain can do? 306 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,100 Are you kidding? A brain doesn't come close 307 00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:48,880 - Do you want to jump in? - Not much 308 00:27:51,130 --> 00:27:56,620 - Really? Why? - It's not deep. If that's thinking 309 00:27:57,550 --> 00:28:00,790 An adding machine on speed. A two-way switch with a memory 310 00:28:01,220 --> 00:28:07,840 Why wouldn't it play chess? But when it's me to move, is the computer thoughtful 311 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:11,660 ...or is it sitting there like a toaster? It's sitting there like a toaster 312 00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:18,160 - So, what would be your idea of deep? - A computer that minds losing 313 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:25,610 If I made a computer simulating a human brain neuron by neuron, it would mind losing 314 00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:26,720 - Do you agree? - No 315 00:28:27,010 --> 00:28:29,100 - Amal's machine wouldn't be conscious? - No, but how would you tell? 316 00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:32,130 You can't tell by watching the wheels go round. Just like with a brain 317 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:37,440 I couldn't tell what you're thinking by watching what your brain is doing, or even that you're thinking 318 00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:42,200 I'll tell you what I'm thinking. There is overwhelming evidence that the brain causes consciousness 319 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,980 There's overwhelming evidence that brain activity correlates with consciousness 320 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:50,920 Registers consciousness. Nobody's got anywhere trying to show how the brain is conscious 321 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,780 This is mysticism 322 00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:56,890 - So, how would consciousness come about? - I have no idea, nor does anyone else 323 00:28:58,390 --> 00:29:01,480 I thought that's why we're here. To crack the Hard Problem 324 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,710 It is. It is why we're here. Thank you. Apologies again 325 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:13,070 Jerry. As you see, I have a pressing engagement 326 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:16,800 There is an excellent eatery, lavishly subsidised 327 00:29:17,650 --> 00:29:20,270 After lunch, you can hang around in the department and see what's going on 328 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:26,110 Excuse me. Was that my interview? In the toilet? 329 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:32,190 - Yes. Good luck with your career - Good luck with yours 330 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,320 I'm sorry, but if you separate what you can't understand from anatomy... 331 00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:40,960 ...you're going backwards to Plato 332 00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:46,390 The brain is physical, and there's no other kind of stuff out there 333 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,600 There are no beans that haven't been counted 334 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:55,150 The maths to try and explain what's going on in the brain is like trying to write the equations... 335 00:29:55,590 --> 00:30:01,280 ...for a waterfall as big as... I have no idea how big, as big as a million Niagaras maybe 336 00:30:01,790 --> 00:30:07,750 And so far we can write a short-term prediction for two variables in a mixer-tap, probably 337 00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:13,280 But the only way to go is to map brain activity... 338 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,260 ...in greater and greater detail against conscious experience 339 00:30:17,460 --> 00:30:22,000 There is no hard science in a psychology test if it's not plugged into a brain scan. Neurobiology 340 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:29,070 - Amal, you're bright, you're going to do fine - You go ahead, Leo, I'll be right there 341 00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:37,700 I don't think you can write a prediction for a non-linear complex system, even for a mixer-tap 342 00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:42,440 Short term, you can if you have some earlier values for the variables 343 00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:50,250 That gives you a history of the system's behaviour, like a library of the patterns it made 344 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:56,580 Because there is a pattern, a chaotic system isn't really random, it just looks random 345 00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:00,140 So you look in the library for previous states of the system 346 00:31:00,550 --> 00:31:03,620 And where you can find some similarity to what you're looking at now... 347 00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:06,700 ...you can expect to see similar behaviour in the short-term future 348 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,550 You're not the tennis coach, then. Do you work here? 349 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:18,920 Not really. I visit. My office is in town. Come and see us 350 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:21,660 - Oh, okay - What's your name? 351 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:24,840 Admati, Amal Admati. What's yours? 352 00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:28,050 It's on the building. But people call me Jerry 353 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:30,200 Hey, what a coincidence! Enjoy your dinner, my friend 354 00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:36,250 Morning, Lollipop. How was the birthday party? 355 00:32:37,150 --> 00:32:40,810 We went on the London Eye, and had pizza and afterwards The Lion King 356 00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:43,730 Dad, what's coincidence? 357 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,500 A coincidence? You know what a coincidence is, it's like a long shot 358 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:49,270 - A long shot? - No, wait 359 00:32:49,450 --> 00:32:52,300 A coincidence is two things happening at the same time 360 00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:56,110 There's lots of things happening at the same time all the time 361 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,660 That's true. So normally you don't bother to call that a coincidence 362 00:32:59,010 --> 00:33:02,770 But if two things which you don't normally expect to happen at the same time, happen at the same time... 363 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,520 Like your friend having dinner when you're having breakfast? You don't expect that 364 00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:09,090 You do if he's in Japan, where it's dinner-time 365 00:33:09,530 --> 00:33:13,560 But say you're walking down the street and you bump into your school friend, you'd call that a coincidence 366 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,170 - You'd say, 'Fancy seeing you here, what a coincidence' - Specially if I was walking down the street in Japan 367 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:23,250 Especially then. You'd say, 'Wow, that's a one chance in a million coincidence' 368 00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:27,270 But there's reasons why you were both in the same place at the same time, so in another way... 369 00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:31,660 ...the million-to-one coincidence had to happen. You just didn't have the information 370 00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:34,110 Like what? 371 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:40,870 Suppose your school friend was Japanese, and suppose you were both crazy about... dinosaurs 372 00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:44,530 Then, maybe, instead of a million times, you'd only have to go to Japan a hundred times... 373 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:47,420 ...before you bumped into her at the dinosaur park in Tokyo 374 00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:53,230 - Though I wouldn't bet on it personally - I would. I could win a hundred pounds 375 00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:56,690 - Or lose your pound - Oh. Yes 376 00:33:56,890 --> 00:34:00,020 You need more information. Everything that makes the coincidence smaller and smaller... 377 00:34:00,310 --> 00:34:03,170 ...till you decide it's worth betting your pound, is information 378 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:07,000 - Did you have more information? - Oh, yes 379 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,250 - Did you bet on your coincidence? - Oh, yes 380 00:34:09,450 --> 00:34:12,100 In fact, it wasn't really a coincidence any more, and I didn't need to go to Japan 381 00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:15,500 - Will you show me how? - I will 382 00:34:18,430 --> 00:34:20,700 Eat up. The cars downstairs and Marie-Cecile has got your bag 383 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,520 - Can I sit in from with Arthur? - No, Sam has to sit in from 384 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:24,910 - Why? - Because Sam is in charge 385 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,970 - And he wants you in the back with Marie-Cecile - Boo 386 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,980 - If mummy says I can, does it mean I can? - Definitely 387 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:35,340 Hannah, good morning, but that's it, goodbye 388 00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:38,560 Because I'm not talking to you. You wrote yourself into Siberia 389 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,140 Can I sit in from with Arthur? 390 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:44,430 It was inaccurate online, and you're not looking pretty-in-pink, either 391 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,050 All fight, I was only asking 392 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,270 When Krohl Capital calls the top of the market, we won't be calling it in a blog, you bottom-feeder 393 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,130 - We went on the London Eye - You should have listened to me 394 00:34:52,420 --> 00:34:53,740 - He's on the phone - Have a nice winter 395 00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:56,750 Mum... Rude! 396 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,390 Hi, sweetheart. No, don't wait dinner, in fact don't wait up 397 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:04,950 Hold on... Did you give Sally her present.) Yes 398 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:11,200 Ne, I'd rather wake up in the country. Here she is. Big kiss 399 00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:14,150 - Mummy... - Simon 400 00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:17,690 - Am I an orphan? - What? 401 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,080 An orphan. Sally said if you're adopted it means you're an orphan 402 00:35:21,340 --> 00:35:23,020 Does this look like an orphanage? 403 00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:27,840 So here's what, Simon. I'll write you a cheque for a hundred and ten million 404 00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:30,630 Then you can shop worrying about me, and I can shop worrying about you 405 00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:32,390 - Ok - Only, don't ask to come back in 406 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:34,220 - Ok - Well, it's your call 407 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,990 - Pizza. And we went to The Lion King - I don't know, because she's a journalist 408 00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:41,780 - All fight, I'll ask him. Bye mummy - I'm gone... Wanker 409 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,920 - So ask me - What? 410 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:49,160 - Do you want to ask me something? - Why? 411 00:35:50,090 --> 00:35:50,930 - You said... - Oh 412 00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:54,380 I have to ask Sam to stop in the village for dog-biscuits 413 00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:58,330 Dog biscuits. Right 414 00:36:00,170 --> 00:36:02,240 I've got a meeting with some people coming. Give me a kiss and get going 415 00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:07,000 - What kind of people? - People-kind. Don't I get a kiss? 416 00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:12,640 - Will you show me where you work? - I will 417 00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:14,080 - When? - When you find it interesting 418 00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:18,640 But I'll take you to a place I know where there's lots of interesting things, machines, monkeys... 419 00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:20,420 - When? - Soon, Cathy 420 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:23,340 - Ok. Bye, daddy - Sayonara 421 00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:33,050 Yeah... Ne, the dining room. And let me know when my visitors are in the lift 422 00:36:53,110 --> 00:36:54,850 Jerry. Beautiful apartment 423 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,470 Shut the fuck up, and where do you get off calling me by my first name, you miserable piece of shit? 424 00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:10,850 Oh Christ 425 00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:28,550 Alright... You need to put your head between your knees 426 00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:42,720 Sit down. I want to ask you something 427 00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:48,850 - What did you pay for that watch? - Seven grand, sir 428 00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:52,310 - Exactly how much? - Seven thousand, one hundred and forty pounds 429 00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:56,750 - What do you pay for a haircut? - A hundred and fifty including a tip 430 00:37:57,510 --> 00:38:00,690 And this is - what? - five years since you came in here with your ass falling out of your trousers... 431 00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:02,660 ...and found money pouring through the door 432 00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:08,990 Do you know what brings that money through the door? Confidence. Belief 433 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:11,420 - Can I say something, please? - No, you can't. You're not here to say anything 434 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,600 You're here to read this and sign it 435 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:19,170 it says you agree not to look for or accept a job outside the firm for two years 436 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:23,270 With no salary increase, no bonus, and meanwhile you sit in your corner... 437 00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:27,970 ...and share your limp-dick, short-the-market wisdom with nobody except your supervisor 438 00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:31,800 With a sign round your neck saying 'Asshole', but that's not in the letter 439 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,180 Then maybe you'll think Mice before dumping your unbelief with our name on it... 440 00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:41,500 ...on a scumbag analyst selling his dope to high-rollers like for example our clients... 441 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,300 ...for whom pessimism is the bubonic plague, you brain-dead quant 442 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:51,550 What in fuck's name did you think you were doing? 443 00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:56,250 - Getting your attention - Well, you got it 444 00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:13,960 - Can you stand up? - Yes, sir 445 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,250 Then sign and walk 446 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:25,050 Two years? The arsehole sign will be around a lot of people's necks before two years 447 00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:29,240 The market is acting stupid, and the models are out of whack... 448 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,550 ...because we don't know how to build a stupid computer 449 00:39:32,610 --> 00:39:34,630 The market is a belief system with a short memory 450 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:37,550 And it's leveraged on highly correlated billion-dollar bets 451 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:42,100 And trillions on side-bets, which are going to go wrong together 452 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:54,000 I mean to zero. You pay me for my research 453 00:39:55,450 --> 00:39:58,750 I don't pay you to post it like a fridge magnet on the reception desk 454 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,810 - But I'm not wrong - You're early, which is the same thing 455 00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:09,380 - You're going short the market? - Use the service stairs 456 00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:17,570 - How is it, Dr Matthews? - Good 457 00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:20,880 Elaine, those shocks are coming at regular five-second intervals 458 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:24,500 Keep an eye on the red light, keep the reactions fairly even 459 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,890 It's your distress which increases, not over-dramatic 460 00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:43,220 Hello 461 00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:44,910 That's good. Take a break 462 00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:48,720 - Who...? - Is that lady being hurt? 463 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:52,850 - No. We're playing a trick. It's a kind of game - Did she know it was a game? 464 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,140 Yes. She's my friend Elaine. She was pretending 465 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,530 - Why? - It's all fight. It's what we do here. Sometimes 466 00:41:59,890 --> 00:42:02,210 We... it's difficult to explain 467 00:42:04,330 --> 00:42:07,440 My name's Hilary. Hillary Matthews I don't know your name 468 00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:10,350 It's Cathy 469 00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:19,630 - Your dad's looking for you - Jerry's here? 470 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:23,740 He's giving his daughter the tour. She wants all the animals let out 471 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,190 So he thought he'd better show her we're nicer to people 472 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:27,640 Oh dear 473 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:32,380 He's come to hand out medals. The Krohl is going to have the cover of Nature, did you know? 474 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,910 It's Ursula's team, working with Stanford, infecting neurons with a photoreceptor 475 00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:39,970 I understood it when she explained it, but not so I could explain it to anyone else 476 00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:44,280 She can get a single brain cell to spike by flashing a blue laser on it 477 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,440 - Mouse brain? - Yes, a mouse brain 478 00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:49,070 - What? - I didn't say anything 479 00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:51,970 I won't tell anybody 480 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:56,550 I think it's a big step forward in the study of mouse brains 481 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,550 That's mean 482 00:42:58,970 --> 00:43:01,500 Well, they're doing optics with mice and calling it consciousness 483 00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:06,140 A mouse is a bundle of behavioural responses to physical stimuli 484 00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:08,990 Poking it with a stick is the same thing bigger 485 00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:13,360 Light photons hit the retina, smell molecules get the whiskers twitching 486 00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:18,390 And improved technology will show the mechanism all the way to cheese response 487 00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,100 It's only amazing, it's not counter-intuitive 488 00:43:24,010 --> 00:43:33,210 But cognition - reasoning, imagining, believing - that's hard 489 00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:38,690 How does the brain do self-consciousness? Reference? Metaphor? 490 00:43:40,030 --> 00:43:43,110 'I wandered lonely as a cloud'. As a what? 491 00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:51,000 'Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies'. Like two what which what? 492 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:55,740 That's hard. Where is it happening? How? 493 00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:59,790 If you had a choice, would you choose a mouse? 494 00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:05,250 Would you choose optics? Would you spend your time looking at a brain while you poke it with a laser? 495 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,830 Not me, boss. It's a no-brainer. The psyche in psychology is Greek for soul 496 00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:13,540 You need something with a mind which can talk you through 497 00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:20,230 Still, the cover of Nature is pretty sexy. Do you have anything that sexy? 498 00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:25,100 It would do wonders for the department's fitness in the struggle for survival at the Krohl 499 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:29,410 - Seriously? - Seriously. The ground is moving under us 500 00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:34,690 - What would be that sexy? - A predictive theory of human behaviour, for instance 501 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,970 If there were a Nobel Prize for psychology, that would do it. Why are predictions wrong half the time? 502 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:44,320 Being wrong about human behaviour half the time is our guiding star, Leo 503 00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:48,750 It's what's telling us the study of the mind is not a science 504 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:56,180 We're dealing in mind-stuff that doesn't show up in a scan: accountability, duty, free will, language 505 00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:58,660 All the stuff that makes behaviour unpredictable 506 00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:02,720 You're not listening. It's the Jerry Institute for Brain Science 507 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,240 And I'd like to have something that gets his attention before there's a genetic algorithm... 508 00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:09,830 ...that will do our job in a computer - It won't 509 00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:11,960 - I bet they're working on it - It won't compute 510 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,690 At Loughborough we did a child custody test 511 00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:23,460 You describe two parents. Parent A is across-the-board average: health, wealth, social life, everything 512 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:30,580 Parent B is positives and negatives: richer, but travels a lot, great rapport but minor health problems, etcetera 513 00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:38,570 When you ask which parent should be awarded custody, you get a fat majority for Parent B 514 00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:45,430 When you ask which parent should be denied custody, you get a fat majority for Parent B 515 00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:48,730 it doesn't compute. We did it over and over, and it didn't compute 516 00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:53,630 - You never brought that up at your interview - Leo, do you remember my interview? 517 00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:59,930 - What do you think of Bo? - Who? Oh, Bo. I haven't had time to... 518 00:46:00,170 --> 00:46:04,410 She's unqualified in psychology, and over-qualified in maths but I've a good feeling about her 519 00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:06,820 And here you are 520 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,000 - Come by later. Something you might like - Oh, yes? What? 521 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,580 I'll see you later, too, Bo 522 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,820 - I've got the questionnaires, Dr Matthews - Hilary is tine. All done? 523 00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:25,460 - Yes. The guinea pigs are doing coffee break - Test subjects. The guinea pigs get lettuce 524 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,570 Sony. I brought you one 525 00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:33,860 ls Elaine a research assistant? 526 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:38,190 No. That would work if we used real electricity. She's an actor 527 00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:41,790 We're doing a variation of a well-known experiment 528 00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:44,610 The test subjects don't know they're the subject of the experiment 529 00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:46,470 They think Elaine is. I'll fill you in as we go 530 00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:50,180 - How did you get on with Leo? - Dr Reinhart? He seemed very nice 531 00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:53,180 - I really enjoyed the interview - Well, so you know what this day is about 532 00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:57,220 - Well, to see if I'm smart, I guess - No, that's a given 533 00:46:57,630 --> 00:47:02,000 It's to see if you'll be happy here. For you to see, for us to see 534 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,210 Thank you 535 00:47:05,970 --> 00:47:08,810 - Oh... - We don't look at them 536 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:13,990 The questionnaires have to be convincing but they're a charade for the benefit of the test subjects 537 00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:21,960 We divide the subjects into two groups randomly 538 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,050 We tell group one they scored high for empathy, we tell group Mo they scored low for empathy 539 00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:32,820 Se, when we get to the experiment we can allow for suggestibility. But we're not testing for empathy 540 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,630 - What, then? - Motivation 541 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:38,970 Egoist motives and altruistic motives. Selfish and unselfish 542 00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:43,830 There's a common-sense view that we're selfish by nature 543 00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:47,900 And unselfish when we override our nature, basically by culture. What do you think? 544 00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:53,340 I think it's good to be good, I don't see that it matters what makes us good 545 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,520 It might matter if people who are out for themselves think they're justified by biology 546 00:48:00,110 --> 00:48:00,960 Yes 547 00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:08,230 We're trying to understand other minds, and we don't really understand our own 548 00:48:10,890 --> 00:48:15,400 Why did you bring me this coffee? Perhaps you thought I looked as if I needed some coffee 549 00:48:16,110 --> 00:48:22,350 So that would be an altruistic motive. Or perhaps your ultimate motivation was that you wanted... 550 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:27,390 ...to make some sort of good impression, which would be an egoist motive for bringing me a cup of coffee 551 00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:34,570 I could ask you. But how do I know the answer is honest? And if it's honest, how do I know it's reliable? 552 00:48:36,810 --> 00:48:40,410 - What do you do with these? - Shred them. Confidentiality issues 553 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,510 The data we collect from an experiment is kept anonymous 554 00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:48,010 A lot of detail here, personal detail. Not to be using it... 555 00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:50,400 The reason we don't look is once you look... 556 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,850 ...you find the special cases who will skew your precious results. Outliers 557 00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:01,260 But the point is, the subjects are a random sample 558 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:06,380 If you're tempted to weed out the outliers you're rigging the experiment, and that's a sin 559 00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:13,790 If there's a hidden bias in the design of the experiment the results are not information, they're misinformation 560 00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:17,110 And understanding the human mind is difficult without that 561 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:21,240 It's like trying to catch a sunbeam in your cupped hands 562 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,940 You're testing for motivation, one on one with Elaine, and you're what? Adjusting for empathy? 563 00:49:27,610 --> 00:49:29,350 Yes. What? 564 00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:32,130 - It just seems kind of approximate - Really? 565 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,690 - Empathy-wise, you've made two groups of clones - Well, how else? 566 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:43,110 You can match every subject with their own Elaines, with very high or medium high empathy, or low, whatever 567 00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:44,490 We haven't got a lot of Elaines 568 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,670 Ne, you describe Elaine each time different, to tit their questionnaire 569 00:49:49,140 --> 00:49:52,640 There's this one here who's a middle child, so Elaine can be a middle child 570 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,830 I wasn't doing egoist or altruist anything 571 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,540 The man said to bring you this cup of coffee so I brought you the fucking coffee 572 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,690 I'm sorry. I don't swear a lot 573 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:28,180 - Do you swear in Chinese? - No, never. My grandmother would have killed me 574 00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:32,210 - Where did you graduate, Bo? - Shanghai and Caltech 575 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:40,520 - Then my masters at Cambridge - Really? 576 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:47,520 Then I got a job offer from Krohl Capital Management I was a quant for a year at Krohl, but... 577 00:50:47,970 --> 00:50:52,530 Well, the money was good, I'll say that, but it wasn't good money, you know? 578 00:50:52,860 --> 00:50:53,610 Good money? 579 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,540 Gaming the market to make more money for people with money 580 00:50:56,910 --> 00:51:00,260 - This is Jews money, so that's good, isn't it? - He did something good with it 581 00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:04,600 But I'd like to do something good with math without turning math into money first 582 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,520 A friend at KCM said I should try for a psychology doctorate here, a quant, Amal. He knows you 583 00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:21,130 Who? Oh. Yes. Amal. Yes, he would do that 584 00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:25,820 - Do you see Amal? - Yes. He's... who I'm seeing 585 00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:29,050 - Coincidence - Did he tell you about us? 586 00:51:30,860 --> 00:51:32,410 - Really? - No! 587 00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:36,460 - We were both up for this slot - Oh. And you got it 588 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,480 Yes. It was a miracle 589 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:37,270 - You're not right - Sony 590 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,020 - Leave your work in the office - Yes 591 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:55,210 We've got this test going. Escape options from testing for pain thresholds on a volunteer, that's the story 592 00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:04,820 Using electric shocks. And Jerry Krohl's daughter walked in on... 593 00:53:05,020 --> 00:53:07,320 - I didn't know he had a daughter - Nor did I, but he does 594 00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:14,710 School-age like Catherine. Her name's Catherine. She saw, she was upset seeing... 595 00:53:23,210 --> 00:53:27,300 She thought the girt was being tortured. You should have seen her face 596 00:53:27,830 --> 00:53:32,130 - But you explained, didn't you? - Of course. I think so. Yes 597 00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:34,370 Then why are you holding on to it? 598 00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:41,900 It must have happened often enough, girls with the same name 599 00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:43,980 - You don't get used to it - I suppose you don't 600 00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:50,430 - Julia, can you remember? - What? 601 00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:51,860 - The Purple Gang - Yes 602 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,630 - We were bullies, weren't we? - No, no more than we were bullied 603 00:53:55,890 --> 00:53:57,540 We used to gang up on the ones who were... 604 00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,900 - You know... - Gimpy 605 00:54:00,550 --> 00:54:04,130 Peggy Potter was gimpy because her mother knitted her school jumpers 606 00:54:04,690 --> 00:54:10,230 I used to make Gillian Meadows cry because the gang said I had a crush on her, which I did 607 00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:13,590 - Stop it. Schoolgirls - But who can I trust her with? 608 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:19,590 Who can I trust not to make her cry, flicking her behind the knees with a wet towel... 609 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,790 ...like we used to, rampaging through the changing rooms after games? 610 00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:26,800 Buck up, Hilly. If that's Catherine's only problem... 611 00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:31,850 I missed her like half of me from the first day 612 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:44,870 And the worst thing was, there was literally nothing I could give her, do for her, she'd just gone 613 00:54:48,020 --> 00:54:53,150 And then I thought up something I could do just to... just to be good 614 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,900 So that in return someone, God, I suppose, would look after her 615 00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:07,150 - Do you believe in God? - I have to 616 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,050 But I'll tell you what, though. Everyone should say a prayer every day, anyway, for who you love... 617 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,950 ...just because it puts them in your diary 618 00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:24,100 For ages now, I've gone for weeks without thinking of Catherine. Months 619 00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:30,450 I've been letting her go, as though I'd swapped her for a doctorate 620 00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:34,270 Oh, Julia... 621 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,200 Git yer haynds off mah woman 622 00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:44,400 Ursula! I need to ask you something. Could the cosmos be teleological? 623 00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:48,200 Oh, fuck a duck. No. Why? 624 00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:53,240 Teleological, sweet pea, having a purpose, nothing to do with the telly 625 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,520 Don't patronise me, you dyke, you're on my patch 626 00:55:57,350 --> 00:56:03,010 - How about panpsychism? - No. Nature isn't conscious. Trees are not conscious 627 00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:08,020 - Functionalism? - No. A thermostat is not even a tiny bit conscious 628 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:09,710 Have you been reading after lights out? 629 00:56:10,050 --> 00:56:12,760 What about quantum-level brain processes to explain consciousness? 630 00:56:13,070 --> 00:56:13,800 She has 631 00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:17,300 Could you show me how Gödel's Proof means a brain can't be modelled on a computer? 632 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:21,600 You wouldn't know Gödel's Proof if it had suspenders in Selfridge's window 633 00:56:22,110 --> 00:56:24,070 - Ursula, I need you to show me - Now? 634 00:56:24,430 --> 00:56:28,590 No, not now. Sundays and evenings, tutorials 635 00:56:29,110 --> 00:56:31,290 - Oh, thanks - Why? 636 00:56:33,110 --> 00:56:37,320 For a conference paper, sort of, with a summer vac stitched on, is what I'm thinking 637 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:39,140 - Lovely. Where? - Venice 638 00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:44,260 Leo's giving the status paper for the Krohl, big psycho conference in June 639 00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:51,290 And he blagged them into giving me a place on a round-table on consciousness 640 00:56:54,030 --> 00:57:02,240 What? No way. Leo? No way 641 00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:17,230 So... how've you been? 642 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,540 - Have you got a date? - I did have 643 00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:29,520 Drinks party for UCL's new Nobel, but it's in the hotel. I'll catch what's left of it 644 00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:33,130 - I can come back if you like - I'll be asleep 645 00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:36,480 In case I don't see you, good luck with the physiology of... what? 646 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,450 - I can't be there. I'll be at Leo Reinhart's session - 'The Physiology of High Stakes' 647 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:48,660 We took saliva samples at the world poker championship. The cortisol levels went crazy 648 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,090 Is that good? I don't mean good 649 00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:55,380 I haven't heard from you for years 650 00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:58,730 - I haven't heard from you at all - Really? That's bad 651 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:08,320 - ls the sex better at UCL or Loughborough? - UCL. Or it's to do with being a pref 652 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,670 - Won't I see you on the boat? - Boat? 653 00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:16,990 The Krohl party. It's on Jerry Krohl's boat, an eyesore, frankly, but I had an invitation under my door 654 00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:22,640 No, I'm taking off after my round table. Florence, Pisa, Siena, on the cheap 655 00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:25,770 - Do you want to come? - Don't you have anyone to go with? 656 00:59:28,110 --> 00:59:31,090 - You're anyone - Hilly 657 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,760 - Did you read my... - Yeah 658 00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:41,460 Let me make three points about your round-table pre-print 659 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,510 Don't circulate it 660 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,340 If you circulate it, don't put your name on it 661 00:59:48,540 --> 00:59:50,610 If you put your name on it, don't put the Krohl's name on it 662 00:59:51,290 --> 00:59:55,250 Four points. If you circulate it with your name and the Krohl's name on it... 663 00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:59,700 ...don't call it 'ls God the last man standing?' - Why? 664 01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:03,240 Because it will make you unemployable. You'd have to do philosophy 665 01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:05,320 I haven't written anything which isn't in plain sight 666 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,760 Materialism is in trouble, and we're all materialists now 667 01:00:10,050 --> 01:00:17,580 Everything is matter. There is no science that says beauty is truth or truth beauty 668 01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:24,180 But the gondolas are heaving with name-tagged materialists having their minds blown by Venice 669 01:00:25,740 --> 01:00:28,520 What is to be done with the sublime if you're proud to be a materialist? 670 01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:34,100 To save the appearance of value, no theory is too unlikely... 671 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:40,590 ...no idea too far-out to float, so long as it sounds like science 672 01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:46,890 Elementary particles with teeny weeny consciousness, or a cosmos with attitude 673 01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:51,900 Or the life of the mind as the software of a biological computer 674 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,540 These are desperate measures, Spike. What does materialism remind you of? It's a faith 675 01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:04,570 But it's pathetic to rely on a supreme being to underwrite what you call your values 676 01:01:05,180 --> 01:01:07,540 - Why are you afraid of making your own? - You don't claim to make your own 677 01:01:08,050 --> 01:01:10,740 What's the difference between a supreme being and being programmed by your biology? 678 01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,590 - Freedom. I can override the programming - Who can? Who's the you outside your brain? Where? 679 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,890 I wish I'd pulled that primatologist with the thigh boots who was hitting on me at registration 680 01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,130 Why don't you leave me alone? 681 01:01:29,330 --> 01:01:30,600 At least change the title, will you? 682 01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:36,120 - All fight - At least 683 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,120 - But you didn't write these equations, I know that much - I might have done 684 01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:44,790 - No, not these. You shagged a mathematician - No, I didn't 685 01:01:48,550 --> 01:01:53,420 But there's a Chinese gilt in the department who's phenomenal. She was a quant at KCM before 686 01:01:54,020 --> 01:01:58,120 - Krohl's hedge-fund? That's a come-down - She doesn't think so. I'm mad about her, actually 687 01:01:58,270 --> 01:02:03,370 She's designed an experiment like nothing in the literature. Ninety-six kids in four age-groups... 688 01:02:03,820 --> 01:02:04,850 - Ninety-six? - Close to, probably 689 01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,950 We've got pretty much an entire school participating, thanks to Jerry 690 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,790 - So you liked her equations? - I liked them, but they're not tied into hard data 691 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,760 They show there isn't enough geological time... 692 01:02:18,290 --> 01:02:22,980 ...for the living world to have been selected-out by chance mutations 693 01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:25,020 Really? Look around 694 01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,510 - You're just hung up on your personal incredulity - Well, where's yours? 695 01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:32,440 Someone tells you you can run the film backward billions of years... 696 01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:37,890 ...to an enormous bang and nothing but particles joining up into big clumps like this one 697 01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:44,840 Except not like this one, because on this one the chemistry came alive and kicked into an algorithm... 698 01:02:45,010 --> 01:02:51,150 ...that kept unspooling till there was you collecting spit from a poker game, and you don't bat an eyelid 699 01:02:51,290 --> 01:02:54,980 Yup. Love it. Now do God, and see which one of us looks credulous 700 01:03:00,130 --> 01:03:03,390 I went to Tuscany once. A conference in Pisa, by Easy Jet 701 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,700 The control tower was a disappointment. A missed branding opportunity, one felt 702 01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:17,790 You wouldn't want someone hanging on to your skirts... 703 01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,730 ...who thinks when you've seen one town in Tuscany you've seen them all 704 01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:26,010 I wouldn't know what to do with myself if there's no conference 705 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,840 I get antsy if there isn't a new journal to look at every day 706 01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:31,490 - I thought you were going to the party - Do you mind if I change my mind? 707 01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:39,230 Why? You're not going to spoil your record by worrying about me, are you? 708 01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,530 Anyway, don't you want to meet the Nobel laureate? 709 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:49,010 I met him, he's a force-of-nature type who's realised he can act modest now. It's quite irritating 710 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:59,790 All right... But I'm going to sleep 711 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,320 Still saying our prayers, are we? Still God, is it? 712 01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:21,540 Whoever's up for it. I wish you'd stop saying 'God' like that, as if I'm talking about someone... 713 01:04:21,660 --> 01:04:25,530 ...who created the world in six days and then had a rest, he'd think I was a complete idiot 714 01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:30,750 But there are things we believe are right or wrong like, say, cruelty 715 01:04:31,540 --> 01:04:35,670 And if this belief is a brain-state, that's fine by me, but the brain-state is about something 716 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,310 It's about cruelty, which is right or wrong whether we're thinking about it or not 717 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,710 You don't need God for that 718 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,000 But you need something for it to be true, some kind of overall moral intelligence... 719 01:04:46,410 --> 01:04:50,340 ...otherwise we're just marking our own homework. That's what I pray to for Catherine 720 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,320 Because somewhere between ape-men and the beginning of religion... 721 01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:56,110 ...we became aware of an enormous fact we didn't understand 722 01:04:56,370 --> 01:05:02,360 We did. Its name was death. Who's Catherine? 723 01:05:08,990 --> 01:05:14,900 - Oh, sorry. She's my daughter - You haven't got a daughter. Have you? 724 01:05:15,730 --> 01:05:20,980 Yes. Don't worry. She'll be thirteen in November 725 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,750 - Thirteen? So... - Fifteen 726 01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:24,150 - What? - I was fifteen 727 01:05:25,410 --> 01:05:29,100 God, Hilly. Where is she? 728 01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:37,680 Catherine was possibly the last 'shame' baby 729 01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:43,770 Nowadays the babies are mostly taken away from mothers who neglect them or can't cope 730 01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:47,080 But shame is pretty much extinct 731 01:05:49,350 --> 01:05:54,780 When she's eighteen she can ask to see her birth certificate. If she wants to. If she knows she's adopted 732 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,530 - Hilly, I'm sorry - Thanks 733 01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:09,670 - Would you do something for me, Spike? - Anything 734 01:06:09,900 --> 01:06:11,650 - Promise? - Should I get dressed or undressed? 735 01:06:14,370 --> 01:06:19,430 - Will you, though? - Yes. Okay. Sure. What? 736 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,370 - Will you say a prayer? - What? 737 01:06:26,820 --> 01:06:28,530 Pray for her. Just for a moment 738 01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:33,820 No. You mean like pray-to-God pray? No. Why? 739 01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:37,760 - Just because. If you, of all people, if even you... - No. I mean... Hilly... 740 01:06:39,050 --> 01:06:41,310 - It would be meaningless, wouldn't it? - I don't know. That would be up to you 741 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,280 - It wouldn't be up to me. It just is meaningless - If it's meaningless, what's your problem? 742 01:06:44,460 --> 01:06:47,060 - I'd be betraying everything I believe in - And that's a problem, is it? 743 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,670 Is that why you pray for forgiveness? 744 01:06:57,050 --> 01:07:05,360 I just want to be allowed to know, to stop imagining, and I pray for her 745 01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:14,000 Please God let Catherine be all right. Please God let her parents be kind to her 746 01:07:14,370 --> 01:07:19,020 Oh. So what happened to 'Please Overall Moral Intelligence? 747 01:07:22,050 --> 01:07:23,790 - Aren't you embarrassed? - Yes 748 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,230 - Do you want something from the minibar? - The minibar? 749 01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:38,370 You already had... Are you having a shower? 750 01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:51,760 You're crying in the shower, aren't you? I know you are 751 01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:51,180 It's lovely. Thank you 752 01:08:51,930 --> 01:08:55,020 - Has Leo seen this? - I wanted you to see it first 753 01:08:55,350 --> 01:08:59,390 Quite right. I'll want to go through the raw data, all of it, and to be taken through the maths 754 01:08:59,730 --> 01:09:02,390 It checks out. The mathematics is basic 755 01:09:02,980 --> 01:09:07,810 This is bloody sensational. But I wish you'd waited for me, Bo 756 01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:11,240 No offence, but we're going to have to be bullet-proof, immaculate 757 01:09:11,850 --> 01:09:13,570 I was ready. The kids were ready 758 01:09:13,980 --> 01:09:17,070 Well, it's great. Eighty-eight kids is damned good 759 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,090 - And I wanted it for you when you came back - You...? 760 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,000 Leo. Beautiful day 761 01:09:22,650 --> 01:09:26,170 Fuck the beautiful day. What do you call this, and why has it got our name on it? 762 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,920 - You mean my Venice discussion paper? - Yes, I mean your Venice discussion paper... 763 01:09:40,540 --> 01:09:44,530 which is the subject of several e-mails from the comedians among my friends and colleagues 764 01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:48,250 We do science here, Hilary 765 01:09:48,430 --> 01:09:50,700 This is about science, the psychology of the scientific mind-set 766 01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:54,250 - Psychology of bullshit. It's about God - It's about the Hard Problem 767 01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:58,090 It says every theory proposed for the problem of consciousness... 768 01:09:58,430 --> 01:10:01,580 ...has the same degree of demonstrability as divine intervention 769 01:10:02,130 --> 01:10:04,090 So, psychologically, they're equivalent 770 01:10:04,570 --> 01:10:06,680 What it says is that if you're an atheist, you're in denial 771 01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:10,370 No, it says we maybe in denial about mind-body dualism 772 01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:13,080 Oh, well, that takes care of the Hard Problem 773 01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:17,680 The reason it's hard, you pig's arse, is that mind-body is the problem 774 01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:26,170 I could have done without this at the minute 775 01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:34,060 Welcome back, I think. Sony about my language 776 01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:42,090 - Also me in Venice. I apologise - I took it as a compliment, Leo 777 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,250 - Has something happened? - I think so 778 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,670 The Krohl is taking on another behavioural psychologist, starting September 779 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:54,830 Well, that's good, isn't it? 780 01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:57,940 He's not coming to my department. He'll have an office in Biochem 781 01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:59,990 - Who's paying for him? Is he on our budget? - No 782 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,640 - That's not so good - I'm impressed you understand 783 01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:10,480 If you hadn't outed yourself as a Cartesian dualist you could have ended up as a head of department 784 01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:16,580 But... Psychology as an enterprise is on its way out, is what they're telling us 785 01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:22,370 We're on a count-down to the embedded brain answering all the questions about the disembodied mind 786 01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:27,090 - What's his angle, this...? - Humane-related performance in human subjects 787 01:11:27,790 --> 01:11:32,030 - Hormone-related performance? Like what? - Like working on the trading desk at Krohl Capital 788 01:11:33,490 --> 01:11:36,720 - Am I going too fast for you? - No 789 01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:39,920 - Jerry is smitten - I can see. Where did all this...? 790 01:11:40,260 --> 01:11:41,150 - On his boat - His boat? 791 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,730 Jerry read this man's paper in Venice. The paper was nothing to do with the financial market 792 01:11:46,740 --> 01:11:51,580 It was poker players, but Jerry got it in one 793 01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:58,620 it was about risk-taking and risk aversion. So he invited Spencer to the Krohl party 794 01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:01,260 - Spencer? - His name is Spencer something 795 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:08,290 it was a love match, Jerry in a yachting cap, and Spencer. A trading desk is next up 796 01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:14,420 - I'm trying to follow the money. Where's the money? - Stress releases a cocktail of hormones 797 01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:21,810 By getting your traders to spit into a paper cup, you can predict who'll get risk-happy and lose his gains 798 01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:26,250 Or, contrariwise, predict who will be paralysed by risk-aversion... 799 01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:29,530 ...in a roller-coaster market where there's money to be made 800 01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:36,080 Do we like this? We adore it. it monetises the hormonal state of your trading desk 801 01:12:38,180 --> 01:12:41,390 So it's behavioural, but I'll be damned if it's psychology 802 01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:49,400 There are people here who wonder why we're in the building. Jerry, isn't one of them, so far 803 01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:55,000 But it's a long time since the department published anything that went viral 804 01:12:57,420 --> 01:12:59,570 For Jerry that's like trading at a loss 805 01:13:01,270 --> 01:13:03,060 Do you want to see something sexy? 806 01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:03,700 That's a very good question. I don't think I've ever been asked this question before 807 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:09,000 In fact, you may be the first person who's ever asked it. Congratulations, Julia 808 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:16,130 - So, yes indeed, what exactly is a hedge-fund? - Sony 809 01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:20,190 Well, I don't know what a hedge-fund does. Do you, Spike? 810 01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:22,090 - Yes - Go on, then 811 01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:27,700 - No. I want to see if Amal knows - What? But I work in a hedge-fund 812 01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:30,550 - I prefer to be the judge of that - But I really want to know 813 01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:38,400 Well, let's say you have ten million pounds which you'd like to put to work 814 01:14:39,490 --> 01:14:45,220 You decide to invest it in Krohl Capital Management. First, Jerry Krohl takes... 815 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:53,200 per cent per year, £200,000, as his fee for taking your money to gamble with 816 01:14:53,740 --> 01:15:02,550 Then he gambles with it, and he keeps twenty percent of the winnings. If he loses, the losses are all yours 817 01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:05,030 Do you work in a hedge-fund? 818 01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:14,390 But why would anyone give... Could you explain what you actually spend your day doing? 819 01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:19,080 Do I have to? I don't ask you about Pilates. No offence 820 01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:22,360 - None taken - It's me who does Pilates. You can ask me 821 01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:27,860 With Pilates, it's very difficult to think of anything to ask 822 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,530 - I suppose so - Dump him 823 01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:35,170 What have you done to my flower? Honestly 824 01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:39,900 He spends his day staring at... how many computer screens is it, Amal? 825 01:15:40,460 --> 01:15:42,510 - Call it seven - Seven. That would be... 826 01:15:42,710 --> 01:15:47,770 ...stocks, bonds, commodities, currencies, pornography, Sky Sports and e-mails 827 01:15:48,260 --> 01:15:51,160 It doesn't explain why anyone would give him their money 828 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,730 - Amal? - Because Krohl Capital Management... 829 01:15:55,040 --> 01:16:01,280 ...averaged sixteen per cent per annum return on capital. Averaged, after expenses 830 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,610 - That's a lot - Yes, I do know that 831 01:16:07,180 --> 01:16:11,240 The ultimate motivation is that banking regulations don't apply to hedge-funds 832 01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:17,920 In fact, getting round the rules is the reason for hedge-funds. Like Basel rules for capital reserves 833 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,030 I could explain that, but I decline. First it's Basel Rules... 834 01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:28,650 ...and before you know where you are, it's arbitrage, leverage, securitisation... I refuse 835 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,420 Amal doesn't mean to be rude 836 01:16:30,710 --> 01:16:32,420 - Something's burning - He's embarrassed 837 01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:37,360 Sony it's a bit overdone. Everyone help yourself. Give me a glass, someone 838 01:16:38,620 --> 01:16:42,870 Oh, who brought that beautiful flower? Bo, thank you. And champagne 839 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,510 - How much does this cost, Amal? - That is so crass. A hundred quid 840 01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:50,550 Pay attention a minute. This evening is for Bo 841 01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:55,060 And The Journal of Cogntive Studies. To Bo's first publication! 842 01:16:55,570 --> 01:16:57,050 - Has everyone got a glass? - Thank you 843 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,050 - Mine is not the only name on this paper - Only the first 844 01:16:59,390 --> 01:17:01,530 You all understand, there would be no paper without Hilary 845 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,800 Not true. This is Ho's paper, it's her experiment, and it's going to cause a stir 846 01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:10,530 It doesn't look good if the authors are getting out from under. Let me 847 01:17:11,650 --> 01:17:18,230 The toast is 'Ultimate Goods. B. Sheng-Tsu and H.J. Matthews' 848 01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:25,980 Done. Eat 849 01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:32,650 - Did Leo Reinhart ask to see the raw data? - Do you really think he wouldn't? 850 01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:37,050 - He called it a beautiful experiment - A work of art 851 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:40,960 - Oh, shut up, Spencer - What sort of stir will it cause, Hilly? 852 01:17:42,570 --> 01:17:47,170 The sort where an experiment comes up with the wrong answer for a lot of people 853 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:50,860 Especially when it's the wrong answer to its own question 854 01:17:51,260 --> 01:17:53,780 Spike is the sceptic at the feast, but Bo and I don't care 855 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,720 I'm sorry about the feast, though. Don't eat it. I'm so sorry, Bo 856 01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:05,810 - It's really tasty - I don't mind 857 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,160 Interesting. Was the recipe in 'Cognitive Studies? 858 01:18:10,810 --> 01:18:13,660 There's a certain sort of absent-mindedness about it, you mean? 859 01:18:14,170 --> 01:18:18,670 Oh, bugger it! Cheese. Cheese and biscuits, coffee and I've baked a cake 860 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:37,370 'Ultimate Goods'. Hilary makes altruism sound as if it had something to do with morality 861 01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:40,450 - She was always like that - Doesn't it mean being good? 862 01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:44,090 - No - Well, it's probably because she is good 863 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,300 - How do you work that out? - I didn't work it out 864 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,250 Well, shut up, then. Oh dear 865 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:58,770 Altruism just means increasing someone else's fitness at the expense of your own 866 01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:01,690 Now you're making it sound as if it's got something to do with Pilates 867 01:19:02,150 --> 01:19:06,450 - And you shut up, too - So sorry 868 01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:09,590 Tell her about vampire bats 869 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,270 I'll tell you the miracle of the brain worm, that'll cheer you up 870 01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:22,220 To begin with there's a parasite that lives inside a cow. The eggs come out with the cowpat 871 01:19:23,140 --> 01:19:27,380 Problem: how does the parasite get back inside the cow to complete its life cycle? 872 01:19:28,510 --> 01:19:34,130 First, the eggs get eaten by a snail, and develop inside the snail before being ejected in a mucus... 873 01:19:34,670 --> 01:19:41,200 ...which is eaten by ants. About fifty of these tiny creatures are now inside an ant 874 01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:48,220 They bore a hole in the stomach wall, and one of the fifty works its way up into the brain of the ant 875 01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:53,770 This is the brain worm. it changes the behaviour of the ant... 876 01:19:54,620 --> 01:20:00,390 ...causing the ant to obsessively climb up to the tip of a blade of grass over and over again 877 01:20:01,180 --> 01:20:05,550 Thus increasing its chances of being eaten by a cow 878 01:20:10,540 --> 01:20:13,750 But the brain worm's life is over 879 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,190 - Now, that's what I call altruism - Well, I don't. It's horrible 880 01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:21,940 - Stilton - No thanks 881 01:20:22,460 --> 01:20:23,610 - What are we talking about? - About you, of course 882 01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:28,720 Did you read it? It's a corker 883 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:36,450 Eighty-eight kids in a sort of creative writing class with alternate-choice modules... 884 01:20:36,930 --> 01:20:39,890 ...scored for egoist slash altruist values 885 01:20:40,450 --> 01:20:46,660 Which shows, or is supposed to show, or could be said to show when held up to a strong light... 886 01:20:47,950 --> 01:20:50,630 ...that six-year-olds are nicer than eight-year-olds 887 01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:54,860 Who are nicer than ten-year-olds, who are nicer than twelve-year-olds 888 01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,000 - it does show that - Which, our authors conclude... 889 01:20:58,790 --> 01:21:03,300 ...points to a strung indication that we start off nice and learn to be nasty 890 01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:10,130 Instead of the received wisdom that we start off nasty and learn to be nice 891 01:21:10,670 --> 01:21:18,770 Ergo, good, or ultimate niceness, has its root in nature. Or rather human nature 892 01:21:19,230 --> 01:21:22,400 Or rather human nature from when it separated from animal nature... 893 01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:26,950 ...which is actually a problem for people like me who can't see the join 894 01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:32,970 Does H.J. Matthews think it happened in earthquake, wind and fire? 895 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:34,970 - Feel free, Spike - And, by the way... 896 01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:41,660 Figure 3, showing an orderly transition from niceness to nastiness... 897 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:47,170 ...gives off, if you don't mind me saying so, a distinct whiff of week-old fish 898 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:48,610 - Excuse me? - Spike 899 01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:50,080 I'm going to get the coffee 900 01:21:50,590 --> 01:21:54,610 - Don't imagine for a moment you're staying the night - I didn't like the sound of that 901 01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:59,840 - I suppose a fuck is out of... - Hey! 902 01:22:00,170 --> 01:22:01,760 I don't think you should drink any more 903 01:22:02,090 --> 01:22:08,040 Sorry, have I given offence? Last thing on my mind. Sorry. Terribly sorry 904 01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:16,630 I don't suppose... No 905 01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:19,520 - I think you should eat something - Is that your best offer? 906 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,970 To be fair to Spike, I actually understood your paper, the way he explained it 907 01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:34,440 I'm going to read it again. I never got to the end 908 01:22:35,260 --> 01:22:36,740 - I'm going to have a cigarette - Nice one 909 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,020 Have I missed something? 910 01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,340 - Ah, coffee. Can I help? - No 911 01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,270 I've been trying to imagine everyone I work with as eight-year-olds 912 01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:52,850 - Really, why? - Trying to imagine them as nice little boys and girls 913 01:22:54,220 --> 01:22:58,270 The thing about the market is, it consists entirely of transactions between egoists 914 01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,650 An altruistic trader, salesman, broker, customer... 915 01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:05,920 I mean, forget black swans, we're talking African polar bears 916 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:07,750 So? 917 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,870 I just can't imagine them sharing their toffees with each other 918 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:18,920 I did. Opal Fruits... Opal Fruits are the Ultimate Goods of confectionary 919 01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:21,380 - Where's Bo? - Went outside for a smoke 920 01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:22,580 She doesn't have to do that 921 01:23:24,750 --> 01:23:28,190 Julia is the Opal Fruit of Pilates 922 01:23:29,310 --> 01:23:30,360 Could you pour the coffee for me? 923 01:23:34,510 --> 01:23:35,600 - Are you all right, Hilly? - Yes 924 01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,720 Guess what? I burnt her cake, too 925 01:24:01,810 --> 01:24:03,550 You'd never have guessed it's my first dinner party 926 01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:07,920 - Are you crying? - Fireworks make me cry 927 01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:10,610 it doesn't matter about the dinner 928 01:24:22,230 --> 01:24:24,410 - ls Spike your boyfriend? - I hope not 929 01:24:26,220 --> 01:24:31,500 - Why is he being like that? - Because he is like that 930 01:24:33,250 --> 01:24:34,550 We never agree about anything 931 01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,380 You don't seem to care what he said... about the paper 932 01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:42,050 I don't. He said a lot more before you turned up. I'm used to Spike 933 01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,300 - What sort of lot more? - The same sort 934 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,360 But I went through the data, and the paper is solid. Don't lose confidence, Bo 935 01:24:51,870 --> 01:24:55,740 I wish it wasn't published! I didn't do it for it to be in some journal where anyone can... 936 01:24:56,090 --> 01:25:01,460 That's silly. Publication is how you get on. Sometimes it gets to be a rough-house, but that's part of the game 937 01:25:01,870 --> 01:25:05,200 - I think I may have done something bad - Like what? 938 01:25:09,250 --> 01:25:11,520 There were ninety-six children to start with 939 01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:19,390 Well... okay. But you went with eighty-eight, right? 940 01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:22,240 - Eighty-eight participated - No, they all did 941 01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:31,170 But wait... they all ninety-six participated? 942 01:25:33,170 --> 01:25:37,390 And eight kids couldn't stay the course, so you crunched the data for the rest. Is that right? 943 01:25:38,170 --> 01:25:40,860 - No, I did the math across all ninety-six - And then what? 944 01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:43,740 Then I eliminated eight kids, and did the math again 945 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,440 - Then what? - Then I showed you. When you got back from Italy 946 01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:54,280 How did you choose the ones you eliminated? Was it random? 947 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,600 Shit. You took out two from each group who were spoiling your result 948 01:26:03,190 --> 01:26:05,190 - They were freak results! - They were outliers, Bo 949 01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:08,800 That's what random does, that's why experiments tend not to come out with every hair in place 950 01:26:10,110 --> 01:26:13,120 Why did you do it? How can you be so stupid? 951 01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:15,490 - How can you? - Bo... 952 01:26:16,140 --> 01:26:18,530 I wanted to give you what would please you 953 01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:34,380 Yes. But ultimately, you wanted what you wanted, Bo 954 01:26:40,010 --> 01:26:44,300 - It's my fault. I missed it - I'm sorry 955 01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:55,750 I'm good. I've been sitting on my hands for a year... 956 01:26:56,690 --> 01:27:01,940 ...watching the market bet on water flowing uphill and flying pigs farting Chanel No 5 957 01:27:04,330 --> 01:27:11,570 I have to hold my mouth straight to shop laughing, because I'm the official arsehole 958 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,630 And it's all starting to look good for Amal 959 01:27:17,230 --> 01:27:24,390 I don't trade. I don't pitch. I work on the computer models which are supposed to manage risk 960 01:27:25,780 --> 01:27:31,220 In theory, the market is a stream of rational acts by self-interested people... 961 01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:34,030 ...so risk ought to be computable 962 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:42,000 So long as the market is correcting itself, the models look as if they're working 963 01:27:42,700 --> 01:27:47,960 And they can be proved mathematically to crash about once in the lifetime of the universe 964 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:58,300 But every now and then, the market's behaviour becomes irrational 965 01:28:00,170 --> 01:28:05,170 As though it's gone mad, or fallen in love. it doesn't compute. It's only computers compute 966 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,460 So I'm thinking about that 967 01:29:16,170 --> 01:29:17,430 Did you think of keeping quiet? 968 01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,940 - No - Did she? 969 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:27,050 - I'm very, very sorry, Leo - I'm sorry, too 970 01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,130 The data sheets for ninety-six test subjects 971 01:29:34,050 --> 01:29:37,830 It took me a while to work it out. You can't get there by taking out two from each group 972 01:29:38,670 --> 01:29:40,960 With group one, the youngest kids... 973 01:29:41,620 --> 01:29:47,570 ...you have to eliminate the three at the high end for egoism, selfish little bastards 974 01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:51,280 With group four, the oldest kids... 975 01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:58,430 ...you eliminate the one at the high end for altruism, annoying little Mother Teresa 976 01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:01,580 With the two middle groups... 977 01:30:01,780 --> 01:30:05,630 you have to eliminate from both ends and further in, or the curve goes back on itself 978 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:17,910 Start with Bo, then. I'll talk her down, she can have some paid leave, but she's toast 979 01:30:19,250 --> 01:30:23,750 - I'm the principal investigator - That's a title, not a fact. Necessarily 980 01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,820 - You were in Italy for nearly three weeks - What are you talking about? It's my paper 981 01:30:27,450 --> 01:30:30,620 - Bo is first author - And I'm senior author. I'm mentoring her 982 01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:36,610 She's one year in, and I gave her first author as a gesture because she works hard, and I like her 983 01:30:37,060 --> 01:30:41,320 - I wanted to encourage her, but it's my paper - it was her show, though, wasn't it? 984 01:30:41,620 --> 01:30:47,110 No, it's mine. She contributed, she did a decent job caretaking but it was all ready to go 985 01:30:47,860 --> 01:30:51,640 There isn't a line in the paper which didn't come across my desk. I wrote the paper 986 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:57,210 - So which of you took out eight... - I did. I cleared it 987 01:30:57,940 --> 01:31:00,970 After she... What's the difference? 988 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:05,730 What we're discussing here is Bo, and whether you're going to drag down with me... 989 01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:10,290 ...a beginner who took a big pay-cut to work here, and had nothing in the paper I didn't sign off on 990 01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:15,390 She was milking the family buffalo when she was eight, and she's the best mathematician in the house 991 01:31:15,770 --> 01:31:17,830 Do you want to lose her? She can survive this 992 01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:28,300 Why? Why are you wasting my time with this fan-dance? Are you in love with her? 993 01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:34,300 She's in love with me 994 01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:41,320 Well. Finally, something I understand 995 01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:47,790 - All fight - All right what? 996 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,200 - All fight - Thank you 997 01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:51,830 - She gets a formal warning - Thank you 998 01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:52,960 - All fight - Thank... 999 01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:57,570 - Stop saying that. It's you I don't want to lose - I'm going back to school 1000 01:31:58,670 --> 01:32:03,350 - What does that mean? - I want to do a degree course. Philosophy 1001 01:32:05,300 --> 01:32:07,740 Don't get ahead of yourself, Hilly. There's some wiggle room here 1002 01:32:07,950 --> 01:32:11,100 I'm retracting a paper from a major journal with the Krohl Institute's name on it 1003 01:32:11,380 --> 01:32:14,400 A correction, not a retraction. An addendum, not a correction 1004 01:32:15,130 --> 01:32:20,280 You're not seeing straight, Leo. I'm packing. Watch your own back, is my advice 1005 01:32:25,060 --> 01:32:27,710 - Jerry said the paper was wrong - He read it? 1006 01:32:28,830 --> 01:32:33,020 It pissed him off that his daughters group scored low on nice, and high on not so nice 1007 01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:38,790 He said Cathy was the nicest person in his family 1008 01:32:39,380 --> 01:32:42,570 You'd think Jerry would approve of a bit of egoism in his genes 1009 01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:45,520 His genes don't come into it. Cathy's adopted 1010 01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:55,040 - Since when? - Since when? She's twelve, I think 1011 01:32:56,950 --> 01:33:01,440 - Does she know? - Jerry's wife is Japanese, so... probably 1012 01:33:04,780 --> 01:33:06,320 Do you know Catherine's birthday? 1013 01:33:06,980 --> 01:33:10,150 I'd like to tell him his daughter was eliminated for being too nice 1014 01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:13,160 But with the data sheets being coded, and the questionnaires shredded... 1015 01:33:13,330 --> 01:33:15,070 - We don't shred them now - You don't? 1016 01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:16,120 She's thirteen 1017 01:33:16,220 --> 01:33:16,850 Why not? 1018 01:33:20,590 --> 01:33:22,250 Leave the data sheets. I'll cross-reference 1019 01:33:32,140 --> 01:33:33,410 I'll wait to call Jerry 1020 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:40,270 Listen, I'm going to have to write you a formal letter. Transparency 1021 01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:44,580 It's a damnable thing, and I'm sorry about it 1022 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:48,470 - I can't tell you how sorry - Thank you 1023 01:34:24,170 --> 01:34:26,190 Thank you 1024 01:34:47,470 --> 01:34:49,910 Billy, I got your pitch, but with the greatest respect, you assholes... 1025 01:34:50,190 --> 01:34:54,250 ...if you haven't got the liquidity to pay your debts, why would I want to own your loan book? 1026 01:34:57,170 --> 01:34:58,350 - Sony - ls something happening? 1027 01:34:59,030 --> 01:35:02,960 Reality. Reality so far out on the distribution curve, it wasn't supposed to be possible 1028 01:35:05,810 --> 01:35:08,220 But that's where Cathy was, too, an outlier 1029 01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,610 Do you think it's nature or nurture that's responsible for Cathy? 1030 01:35:13,190 --> 01:35:17,860 You brought her up. ls altruistic behaviour a big thing with you and Mrs Krohl? 1031 01:35:19,330 --> 01:35:23,040 - Well, if philanthropy counts for anything... - I'd need to test you for ultimate motivation 1032 01:35:24,780 --> 01:35:28,180 On the other hand, you doing your best to bring Leo's department down around his ears... 1033 01:35:28,490 --> 01:35:31,750 ...sounds more like egoism to me - It was irrational 1034 01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:37,630 Guten tag, Hans... Shop, talk slower 1035 01:35:40,530 --> 01:35:45,650 I'm sorry, that is tough. I can't trade it on, Hans, there's no one taking the other side of the trade 1036 01:35:47,890 --> 01:35:48,650 Yeah, good luck 1037 01:35:51,220 --> 01:35:55,990 Charlie... Eat it. Eat it, or default. Let me know 1038 01:35:57,250 --> 01:35:58,270 What is happening? 1039 01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,370 - A fire sale - Why? 1040 01:36:01,050 --> 01:36:04,550 Well, a lot of people were selling fire insurance on a house that was burning 1041 01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:09,690 - But not you? - No. I was buying it 1042 01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:17,620 Cathy and I are going to the country. Would you like to come out to the car? 1043 01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:23,350 I don't think so. Thanks 1044 01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:28,440 Did I thank you for keeping her name? I meant to, in my letter 1045 01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:32,650 You did. Mika liked the name. She said to say, you'd be welcome to visit 1046 01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,020 That's very kind. Perhaps when I'm back 1047 01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:37,830 - From where? - NYU, I hope 1048 01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:41,880 - You'll be in New York for...? - Three years, anyway 1049 01:36:44,020 --> 01:36:48,990 There's someone teaching philosophy there whose ideas are... undemonstrable 1050 01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:58,020 - Are you sure? - Yes, I'm sure 1051 01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:04,070 Thank you. Philosophy? Well, serves you right 1052 01:37:07,860 --> 01:37:10,720 We didn't make a drama out of adoption and she hasn't made a drama out of it 1053 01:37:11,190 --> 01:37:15,270 But if she asks, of course we'll tell her what we know, and then it's up to her 1054 01:37:15,490 --> 01:37:16,130 Yes, that's best 1055 01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,400 - If you change your mind... - I'll try not to 1056 01:37:22,410 --> 01:37:25,380 The very last thing I imagined was that Catherine was a rich kid 1057 01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,020 Well, what would you rather? She's hit an awkward age 1058 01:37:29,450 --> 01:37:32,580 - I mean, she's normal, don't imagine she's a saint - I don't 1059 01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:39,010 - So. Have you got any money? - How much do you need? 1060 01:37:43,540 --> 01:37:46,930 I'm fine. I am so fine 1061 01:37:48,190 --> 01:37:52,710 I've been carrying my own weather all these years. It's like the first day of spring 1062 01:37:56,690 --> 01:38:03,850 - You know it's a miracle, don't you? - A miracle? No. A long shot. A coincidence 1063 01:38:04,130 --> 01:38:08,240 I don't believe in miracles. As a matter of fact, I don't believe in coincidence either 1064 01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:10,090 You didn't have the information 1065 01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:14,010 - Dad, I am so bored waiting - Perfect. This is Dr Matthews 1066 01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:15,940 - I know. Hi - We're going 1067 01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:17,870 - How are you, Cathy? - I'm good 1068 01:38:18,110 --> 01:38:18,930 We're gone. Good-bye 1069 01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:22,520 Hey, David... 1070 01:38:22,810 --> 01:38:23,750 - Bye - Good bye 1071 01:38:24,210 --> 01:38:25,920 Sorry to hear that... a one chance in a million event... 1072 01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:27,830 A trillion? Really? 1073 01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:33,460 If your model was telling you the market was going to do this once every four billion years, David... 1074 01:38:34,140 --> 01:38:37,290 ...there's probably something wrong with your... Yeah... 108510

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