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>> Today on "Cosmic Disclosure"
we're with Randy Cramer,

who has participated in a covert
military space program for 18

years called the
Earth Defense Force.

Today, we are talking
about widespread disclosure

and how to prepare for it.

Randy, welcome to the show.

>> Thanks for having me, Emery.

Good to be here.

>> So what does disclosure look
like from your perspective?

>> Alien invasion,
post-invasion reconstruction.

>> Why that?

>> Apparently, the discussion
around the big table,

as I often refer to it,
was we got to do something.

Do we want to do a "take
me to your leader" plan?

Or do we want to do
an invasion plan.

And as much as it sounds nice
to do a "take me to your leader"

plan, there's tons of
logistical problems with that.

And a lot of it has to do with
the acceptance from people

who--

let's just say that their
traditional worldviews would

be shattered by such an event.

So that brought us to,
well, what about an invasion

scenario, which
is less of a, hey,

would you like some
extraterrestrials

with your life, which is the
"take me to your leader" plan.

As we go, no, I don't want that.

Take that away--
versus invasion.

You're taking the aliens
now, and you're going

to have them in your life now.

No backsies.

And then that's just
what we've got there.

>> And who is offering this?

Like, is this something
you've heard on your own

from other
extraterrestrial species?

Or is this something that's
preprogrammed here on Earth?

>> It seems to be something
that is programmed

into our genetics.

Like, we've been genetically
predisposed to wait for someone

to come back, or
who was here before.

Or wait for someone to
show up and say, OK, I'm

here to walk you through
the next part of this.

>> Are you aware of
this happening to other

civilizations in the past?

Or has it been mentioned to you?

>> Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

That's a common pattern.

It's like out of the handbook.

If your job is to help species
move through this stuff

when they're in early primitive
stages, part of the handbook

is, all right, let's see.

How do you-- how
to show up as a God

and give instructions
to a primitive people.

Step 1, 2, 3.

>> And do they look at the
casualties as implemented

as a plus or minus in the
situation because of all

the changes that would happen?

>> Sadly, at least I
think it's a little sadly,

most of the time life,
death, losses are seen

as the inevitability of
if you raise chickens,

you're going to lose some.

If you grow corn, you're
going to lose some.

And unfortunately,
the ones that get lost

are seen as natural
Darwinistic order

in that sense, which
when we get to more

civilized ways of
being, that has

to go behind us a little bit.

But in a lot of that
developing process

there's a lot of survival
of the fittest involved.

>> So there are intelligences
here on the planet that know

about this alien
invasion protocol.

But wouldn't that
go against really--

because it would be a chaotic
situation, and how would

people accept that?

>> It actually turns out
that psychologically,

people come into a greater sense
of acceptance from that chaotic

situation than they do
from a static situation.

So if you tried to bring in a
disclosure event 20 years ago

when there was more
stability, you'd

have way more resistance to it.

By having it come along when
everything is in turmoil,

you actually have a much readier
percentage of the population.

>> So they see it as more as
a plus that it's more chaotic

now--

>> Absolutely.

>> --than 20 years ago.

>> Absolutely.

In this particular
case, it actually

gets you a net win with
more people who are--

instead of going,
no, that can't be.

It's like, sure.

What else was going
to happen next?

The stressful events that
have been progressing one

after the other actually
lead us to a place

where when that big
stressful event comes along,

it will seem much
less stressful.

Because we've been
conditioned to be living under

stress for the
last several years.

>> Now, there are segments of
the population and Gaia viewers

that see this disclosure
as a very peaceful time.

And then we have,
of course, the rest

of the world that sees this
possibly as a chaotic time.

>> So what it turns into
is for a thoughtful,

intellectual group of people who
want to consider this subject,

they can have the luxury
of thinking about it,

listening to people
talk about it,

engaging themselves in the
conversation for as many

months, years as they want to
go along in that process to come

to a place where they can--

OK, I can be OK with this now.

All right.

Well, that's good
for those people.

Fabulous that those people
have given themselves

the time and the
luxury to do that.

For everyone else who
has not done that,

they are going to have
two very simple choices--

very simple choices.

They can either be pro Terran,
or they can be pro invader.

There's only going
to be two choices.

You don't get to make any
other choice in that situation.

You don't get to hem and
haw and think about it

and decide, well,
maybe I like this part,

but I don't like that part.

To make this very black
and white-- so you

have the quickest path to
what we call total acceptance,

which is really like
85% of the population.

But when we reach
85% acceptance,

that's considered
total acceptance,

even if it's not 100%

But that's the fastest
path to total acceptance

is not giving those
people the time,

or the intellectual process,
or the number of choices

that would delay that,
but to simply say,

you have two choices.

Are you pro Terran?

Or are you pro bug invader?

And the vast majority of
people, when given that choice,

will go well, I'm pro Terran.

I'm pro human.

>> But what if they believe
only in peace and no war and no

conflict?

I mean, there's going
to be some repercussions

on that other end.

>> Well, the truth is that we
live in a universe of conflict.

There are some very
peaceful civilizations that

have some very peaceful places.

I'm not saying that's not true.

But the universe at large
is a universe of chaos,

and a universe of fighting,
and a universe of conflict

that's happening all the time.

There's more trade.

And there's more getting along.

But to say that
somehow the universe

is just peaceful out
there, it's just not true.

The universe is a very messy
place, and it always will be.

There's just no
universe where we

live in where we can all let our
guard down and trust everyone.

>> Well, you
mentioned these two--

this is your two choices.

>> Yeah.

>> But how is that going
to affect the masses with

their internal belief
systems, I'll say,

that are out there that
this is going to go against?

>> Well, like I said, they're
still going to have two

choices.

And they're either going
to have to talk themselves

into how to be pro
Terran, or they're

going to talk themselves
into being pro invader.

And it will be a
very, very interesting

psychological
experiment to see who

does the mental gymnastics
to contort themselves

into one place or the other
from the place that they're in.

And I strongly suspect,
based on already some

of the psychological outcoming
that we have seen from some

of these stressful
events, you will see

people who will be pro invader.

And they will turn
on their own species.

And they will act
absolutely insane and crazy.

It's going to happen, so--

>> We've seen it in history.

>> Yeah.

It's going to happen.

>> So why is it-- we have
our community here that has

their awareness set that being
fourth and fifth density beings

that you don't have this
war-like consciousness about

you.

And here we are
in 3D, and we are

having a war with these beings.

There's a conflict of the
belief system right there.

>> Yeah.

I think the crux of that
is an erroneous assumption

that there's no conflict
in 4D, or in 5D,

or in any of the densities
above that, which is not true,

that somehow that there's this
magical line between 3D and 4D,

where below here is
conflict, and above here

is just peace, harmony,
order, and oneness--

not true.

You have elevations of
density and consciousness

as you move up the ladder.

But this is not a
guarantee that someone

in a fourth density
state of consciousness

is peaceful or unified.

It is entirely
possible for someone

to evolve themselves from a 3D
to a 4D state of consciousness

and be the complete
opposite of that.

So conflict doesn't stop at
3D, and it doesn't just not

go beyond 4D because light
and dark continue, duality

continues.

Like, a certain kind
of dualism continues

where you have opposing
forces who don't always agree,

who don't always
like each other.

And sometimes it
comes down to how

is one group going to
decide that they're

going to get to
make the decision,

and it results in a fight.

It's not a guarantee
that just because someone

is at a higher density
that somehow they've

elevated themselves
above war or conflict.

>> Would you say it
gets easier, Randy,

for civilizations and
species to get along?

>> It tends to.

Yeah.

It tends to.

The majority, I think, of those
civilizations as they evolve

do become much more cooperative
and do work together.

But that's not to
say that you could

exist as a 4D civilization and
come in contact with another 4D

civilization that's
many light years away,

and have a conflict
of interest that

could turn into more
than strong words,

and that could turn into actual
physical or violent conflict.

You could still be of
an elevated density

and an elevated
consciousness and have

diametrically opposed
agendas, and be

willing to fight over it.

>> What is going to prepare
humanity for disclosure so we

can be part of this
Galactic Senate?

>> You know, I've watched
this unfold over years here--

decades.

And it appears that some of the
things that have been hopeful

that we would catch on
with and would help us

bring ourselves as a
planet into a place where

we could be like, hey,
we're ready for this--

that would have been nice.

But that didn't really happen
because not enough people have

been cooperative to
those methods, which

is why we're at a potential
invasion scenario,

so that all of the
people who would rather

do anything else other than
face that fact or that reality

or that existence, it simply--
again, has two choices now.

You don't have nine
other things that you

can decide to go do instead
of standing here and looking

at the ship and the beams
coming down in the sky.

Oh, I got some stuff
to go do, and pretend--

>> This is the
priority right now.

>> Right.

It's like, no, you don't
have 10 other things

that you can go do.

Two choices-- pro
Terran, pro invader--

what do you want to be?

And that puts people--

and sometimes the
only way people

will make that choice is when
they don't have 10 choices,

is when they only have two.

>> Right.

I see that.

During this
extraterrestrial invasion,

will there be other
extraterrestrials

that may look like us
to help us through this?

>> That would basically be the
plan is to have an invader that

is as much not like
us as possible,

so that we have a friend that
is as much like us as possible,

so that we--

basically, the starting point
that we can get everybody onto

is a binary starting point,
which instead of the mono

theory point that
most people have,

which is either all aliens are
good, or all aliens are bad--

both of those positions
are 100% wrong.

The truth is we need to start
at a binary point of view, which

is there are some
bad aliens out there,

and there's some good ones.

And we need to just start
with that distinction.

>> Now, you're very
adamant, Randy,

about it being an
insectoid invasion species.

Is it because that is the
species that is invading us?

Or is it actually--

are these hybrids
or clones that were

made by another race because of
the whole psychological effect?

>> Right.

My understanding is that
this particular species has

been contracted to do this job.

And--

>> By who?

>> The [non-english],,
or the Nazis.

They're contractors.

And again, it's their job.

And they were
chosen for that job

because they are not like us--

terrifying.

Because being giant bugs
will hit people's amygdalas

in a way in which their
frontal lobe will not

have time to sort it out.

Your frontal lobe will go, huh.

That's interesting.

That's a giant bug coming
down the road at me.

How should I feel about this?

Should I want to be friends
with this giant bug?

Should I want to run
away from this giant bug?

And in the couple of seconds
that your frontal lobe is

taking to do that--

way before that ever happens--

at about a half a nanosecond,
your amygdala is going to go--

panic, run.

And so before your brain
even has a chance to go, hmm.

How do I feel about this, and
what do I think about this,

your amygdala is going to-- like
I said, it's going to panic--

again, which is
part of the point.

We want that.

We want it to get right
past people's frontal lobes

into the part of their brain
that says you have two choices.

Make it now, and
hopefully make it right.

Because those who
choose to become

pro invader will
probably not survive.

>> What will protect the average
civilian on the streets against

this invading army?

And what types of insects
are we looking at?

Could you describe any of them?

>> You know, there's what I saw
in the initial infantry report

that I got to look at.

Some remote viewers
have been looking

at some things that are a
little different than what I

have been seeing in the report.

So I'm willing to go, hmm, OK.

It could go either way.

Maybe it's like what I'm
seeing in the report.

Maybe it's like what
this person is seeing.

So we're seeing a number
of different smaller

types of insectoids, like
drones, beetles, bugs

and so forth that are used
sort of by the leadership

of the insectoids to be a
first wave for the infantry.

So they have an infantry
drone that they're

going to send
something out first,

whether it's a small
beetle, or a big beetle,

or a giant beetle, or swarms
of little stinging insects

or something before
their infantry assault.

But there's a lot of
variables and questions there.

I know what I've seen on paper.

I know what's been
shown to me in reports.

I don't know if that's
exactly the way that it's

going to work out.

But as near as we can tell, it's
insects because they're scary,

terrifying, not like
us, and will, again,

trigger that amygdala
part of the brain

so everyone really
quickly makes a choice.

>> Will these invaders actually
allow someone to defect

to them--

another earthly human?

Or is it more of an
extermination process?

>> That's an
interesting question.

That would depend on
which is more correct--

the reports that I've read,
or whether some of the remote

views that some professionals,
who are good, have done.

So there's some
differentiations in that data,

and we're just going to have
to see how it works out.

>> Now, you mentioned that the
Nazis have these contractors,

these insectoid species.

But who's actually really
behind this, Randy?

>> A very good question.

So the way this started out was
not the way that it is right

now.

So the way that this
started out was, can we

find a friendly
contractor who can

play the role of an invader,
which will then sort something

out that hopefully we won't
get our hair messed up too bad.

What changed in that
significantly was

the [non-english] Nazis made
a different deal to give

the contracting invaders
something different not

to enact the more passive, less
destructive invasion scenario

we originally had on the table,
and then motor that towards

a fourth, fifth Reich, depending
on which one you think that

they're on right now,
invasion takeover.

So it went from a we're all
going to kind of do this

together to no we're not.

Backstab.

We're going to do it our way.

And so the Nazis,
therefore, are trying

to steal the show into a
different direction that

benefits them and them only.

If we do our jobs right
that won't happen.

And we didn't know that
was going to happen.

So for people who are
confused about this,

what I have said before
was what we could say up

until that point before we knew
that this was going to happen,

which was we've
organized and arranged

some peaceful arrangement for a
not terrible invasion scenario,

all the while knowing
that the Nazis were

going to do a backstab move.

Well, I couldn't
say that, right?

I couldn't say they were
going to do a backstab move

before they do the move because
then we're projecting that we

know what they're going to do.

So I had to say it one
way up until the point

where they went ahead and
did the backstab move.

Then I could go
ahead and say, oh,

now I can explain this
was the plan A. We knew

what the backstab was coming.

And now here's plan
B as predicted.

But we couldn't explain
it that way until now

because we'd be
projecting to an opponent

that we knew what
they were going to do.

So as confusing
as that may be, I

hope that that clarifies that.

>> It makes complete sense.

There's a lot there
to take in, but it

seems like if I were to know a
little bit more about my enemy

because they're thinking
about this, manifesting this,

as a matter of fact, then
that would be really bad.

>> Yeah.

We had to let them do it before
we could do something about it.

That's why it was a
little confusing there.

So my apologies to anyone
for that being confusing.

I hope that clears it up.

>> So there are many people
in intelligence that say

disclosure will never happen,
and it's in the best interests

of the community
that it doesn't.

What do you think about that?

>> Special section intelligence
has made about a dozen

predictions given to me that--
some of which I have repeated

to people over the
past three years.

They're batting 1,000.

There's only a
couple that have yet

to occur that we're
waiting to drop.

So I'm going to go with the
guys that have a 100% track

record instead of people
who have, you know,

what-- a 10% track record.

So I'm going to go with that.

But I understand
that point of view.

And I can respect why someone
would have that point of view.

But I would respectfully
disagree and say

it is more inevitable
that we're going

to have to have a
disclosure moment more so

than it is inevitable
that we'll never have it.

So I get that point of view.

I respect it.

I also respectfully disagree.

>> Now, what does Earth
look like after disclosure--

the kind of disclosure
that you speak of?

>> It depends.

Six months after?

12 months after?

Two years after?

>> Let's do six months first,
and then we'll move to 12

months.

>> Six months--
probably very messy--

very, very, very messy.

12 months-- could
still be messy.

>> Messy meaning
worldwide havoc?

Could you be a little
bit more definitive?

Blood and gore-- what
are you getting at?

Loss of electricity, public--

>> Ukraine everywhere
in the world.

>> OK.

>> OK.

So imagine what--

>> Post-apocalyptic
war situation.

>> Imagine what's been
happening to Ukraine happening

to the whole rest of the world--
war-torn, battered, damaged,

windows broken--

>> Are the governments preparing
for refugees and safe havens

in the planet for
this, or off planet?

>> I would be surprised if
someone wasn't doing something

like that, but I am--
it's not my department,

so I don't know what all
the plans for civic help,

engagement, and salvation are.

I know that there are plenty
of plans and agendas for that.

But war is my department,
not first aid.

>> So even at 12 months, you're
saying we're still around--

at six to 12 months
we're still--

>> It's going to be messy.

It's going to be real
messy for about--

at least that amount of time.

I would say once we get
to that two-year postmark,

we could actually be looking at
reconstruction by that point.

So-- and once we're
at reconstruction,

then it's clean air, clean
water, clean everything,

new buildings.

>> Do you believe we'll
be working with these

extraterrestrial
species by then?

Or is this something we
just adopted new sciences

by ourselves, or
were we helped out?

>> Oh, definitely
we've been helped out,

and we definitely will
be helped out as well.

So part of the
reconstruction process

is not just to have a
friend from out of town

who comes along
and says, uh, we'll

help you get rid of these guys.

We say thanks.

It's also so when they--

when they're still here
after the invaders leave,

and they start rolling
up their sleeves and say,

all right, give me a
shovel let me help out,

then we're going to develop
a relationship with them.

Because not only did they
help shoo away the invader,

they stuck around
to shovel and mop

and help and paint and rebuild
because they're here to help.

>> But how does humanity
act after, let's say,

five years after this invasion.

Are they going to be racist
against the insectoids?

>> Sadly-- and this one hurts me
deeply because I have insectoid

friends that I consider some
of the most fabulous people

I've ever met.

Yeah, I think
we're going to have

some deep insectoid
speciesism here for a minute.

And that's sad.

That breaks my
heart a little bit.

>> So we won't be conscious
enough to forgive and forget

that.

>> Not for at least 10 years--

maybe 20.

It's going to be a
minute where we're

going to be angry and
hate bugs for a second.

>> Yeah.

You have mentioned
these invaders,

but what if they're
not a false flag?

And we talked about the Nazis
hiring these contractors.

What if they do win?

>> Well, I don't think that they
will, and let me tell you why.

So first of all, I'm--

without being able to say what
I know about military capability

among covert military
space program personnel,

including ship capability, drive
systems, power systems, weapon

systems, particle
beams, missiles,

quantum missiles, special
forces personnel, sidearms,

body armor, personnel
shielding, I

mean I know what we have to
fight with, first of all.

So knowing what we
have to fight with,

I think our chances
are better than good.

>> Randy, when do you think
this is going to happen?

Is there a timeline you
could share with us?

>> Sure.

We've always said that this
is an event-driven series

of events, not date-driven.

So very early on a few
years ago we said-- well,

December of 2019--

said that we were entering
into a pandemic phase, which

was phase one.

And then there was going to be
a civil disruption phase-- phase

two.

And then there would be a World
War III phase, which we are in.

We have seen all
three of those happen.

And then there would
be an invasion phase.

So let's talk about where we
are right now, which is here,

number three, stage three.

So we fully expect that
when the World War III

phase is fully engaged is
when that phase four is

most likely to occur
very soon after.

>> After it's completed
or during that phase?

>> Oh, during.

During this phase-- during
the World War III phase.

>> Because that would
be the best time, right?

>> Right, it would be.

So what we're waiting for
in this-- we've already

seen what we know was
part one of this, which

is Russia invading Ukraine.

We knew that the
three other axis

powers that were going to have
to get involved before this

was fully going was going to be
Iran, China, and North Korea.

So Iran has been supplying
drones to the Russians.

So the Iranians and the Russians
are fully in bed with that

together.

The Chinese have begun to
fund and assist the Russians.

The North Koreans have been
sending the Russians uniforms

and some other stuff.

So Chinese-- we're waiting
for them to invade Taiwan.

So there's continued escalation,
continued saber-rattling.

We have a massive movement
of ships and warplanes

over the Strait of Taiwan--

Chinese warships moving
over the Strait of Taiwan.

So they're even closer
than they have ever

been to that escalating point.

North Korea has
also just launched

several ballistic
missiles over Japan,

or into the Sea of Japan,
provoking the Japanese.

That's been closer
and closer escalating.

So what we're seeing, again, is
all of these things escalating.

It's like this--
closer, closer, closer.

We're more here than
we ever have been.

>> How are you going to
have a more evolved humanity

that's based on a war scenario?

>> Well, it doesn't happen
based on a war scenario.

It happens based on the
rebuilding after the war

scenario.

The war scenario is
the transition point.

We're already a mess.

And we're so much of
a mess that we really

just need to become all the way
a mess so that we can clean up

our act.

If we don't go to
that point, then we're

going to forever be that
person on the edge of being

a terrible, horrible hot mess.

But without being
able to actually make

fundamental change,
the war scenario--

again, it says we're not giving
you the choice to change.

We're telling you
you have two choices

on how you want to change.

That leads us through
that conflict,

working together to a
reconstruction phase

where, again, we
have friends who

come help out, shoo the bad guys
away, roll up their sleeves,

get out their shovels and help.

And then we have--

that's the consciousness
shifting point

where we get to move upward.

In order for that to happen--

I mean, it would be lovely if
we could do that from here.

But there's no way that we
are going to break the level

of self-interested selfishness--
let's just call it what it is--

to start thinking about
planetary well-being

at large unless
everything's on the line.

But then when that
conflict ends,

that's when we can put
all that stuff behind us.

But we can't put it behind
us without shaking up

the snow globe so hard that
it dislodges everything.

So then it's easier to clean up.

It's not cleanupable
until you shake it so hard

that everything's loose.

Once everything is
loose, it's cleanable.

But as a static,
rigid existence,

you can't fix it that way.

You just can't fix it
that way because there's

too much resistance
at every single point

of civilized entry, whether
it's civic politics, education,

infrastructure, government,
military, health

care, hospitals, technology.

You can't make any
of that movement

in that static situation.

But once you've turned that
into a chaotic situation,

then it's dealable.

Now, the other
thing about this is

I realize it seems very
organized, but it's not.

What these are are
not organized events.

They're inevitabilities
that we have

been able to calculate and
track for years, decades even,

going OK, we're going to
reach an inevitability here

where this social situation
is going to break.

We're going to reach an
inevitability right about out

there where this environmental
situation is going to break.

We're going to enter an
inevitability right about there

where this global conflict
is going to break.

And it just turns out,
conveniently or not,

that the point where all
of those inevitable things

are coming is in the present.

So it's really about preparing
for inevitabilities that we've

known were inevitable.

They were going to
happen no matter what.

It was just a matter of how,
when, why, where they all

worked out.

And what seemed to occur
as we got closer and closer

is watching all of these
inevitabilities come together

going, I think they're
all going to crash

in the middle of that
intersection at the same time.

Well, isn't that convenient?

Maybe we can work with that.

Maybe we can work with
that chaotic interaction

and create some stable
order out of that.

Because if we don't,
then someone else

is going to create another
kind of stable order out

of that that will suck real bad.

And I'm kind of against
Nazis creating stable order

out of anything
because, again, it's

not in their nature to be
able to succeed at that ever.

>> As Tim would say, let's
all shift happily now and put

our best intention for
the possibility of a safe

and peaceful transition.

>> That's good advice.

>> Randy, thank you for
being on the show again.

>> Thanks for having me.

>> My name is Emery Smith, and
this is "Cosmic Disclosure".

Until next time.

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