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>> Today on "Cosmic Disclosure,"
we are with Randy Cramer,

who has participated in a covert
military space program for 18

years called the
Earth Defense Force.

Today, we are talking
about ET civilizations

and the future of humanity.

Randy, welcome to the show.

>> Thanks for having me, Emery.

Good to be here.

>> What ET civilizations
currently that you're allowed

to talk about are
connected to humankind?

>> So probably the best
candidate to talk about there

is a group called the Cortium.

The Cortium are a
humanoid species.

They look very, very
similar to you and I. Again,

they have a slightly enlarged
cranium compared to you or I.

So if one were
wearing a hat, you

might not be able to notice.

But that's a big maybe.

So they otherwise are
incredibly similar.

>> So they could
walk amongst us,

and it'd be really difficult
for us to see them?

>> Yeah.

Yeah.

It would be, for sure.

They're also psionically capable
enough that you wouldn't maybe

see the extra cranium.

You might just see a
regular person's skull

if they walk past
you on the street.

>> What's their main
focus here and their--

what are they looking
to do to help us?

>> They joined up with
US military forces back

in the 1960s to try and help
us with some of our engineering

technological solutions.

There were a couple
species that came along

after we'd made our
agreement, our bad agreement,

with the Zetas.

>> And what year was that?

>> I want to say this would
have been between 1963, 1964--

before 1965, I would say.

>> So then who came
right after them,

because now we're
talking about--

you said additional
species that helped?

>> Right.

Like I said, the Cortium showed
up and came along and gave us

some information about the Zetas
that we did not have before

and were really nice about it.

They didn't come along and
say, oh, you made a bad deal,

you got to go back on that.

They were like, sorry
you made a crappy deal.

Let's see if we can help you
weasel your way out of this

over maybe the
next decade or two

because maybe you
can weasel out of it.

So they helped us in
a very technologically

sound and legally sound way--

helped us weasel out of a
very bad agreement, a very bad

treaty, with the Zetas.

>> It seems like a very
civilized action they allow us

to do.

>> They are a very
civilized group of people.

I would say that their
entire existence is really

about being more civilized
and helping other species be

more civilized.

>> And where are they from?

>> I think they're
from Betelgeuse.

>> How long have they been
interacting with humankind?

>> Well, like I said, at
least since the 1960s,

working with the US military.

But we do find most species have
been here at least once longer

before.

So they're-- usually,
someone shows up.

They've been here before,
whether it was 100 years, 1,000

years, 5,000 years ago.

So they've been here before.

But they started working with
us currently in mid-1960s.

>> Are they still active?

>> Absolutely.

Yes, absolutely.

>> Other than technology, did
they share anything else with

us?

>> I think they were critical
in helping us engage with

the intergalactic political
system, which again, at first,

everyone's about,
we need information,

we need technology,
we need tools.

But it became much more
important to understand--

our own mental development
was really critical there--

and understanding the framework
and the larger stage in which

we were on socially, politically
that we needed to understand

and get involved in, or
we were just going to be--

piece on a chessboard being
moved by someone else.

>> Do they ever speak
about their belief systems?

>> They're very practical
about getting along,

working together for
mutually beneficial goals,

dispensing with petty internal
conflicting with one another.

They're really about teaching
individual species, look,

you have more in
common on this planet

than you have not
in common, certainly

compared to everyone
else that's out there.

So how about you
start working together

and work together as
a team here instead

of fighting amongst yourselves?

>> Were there other species
below them that were working

with them to help us?

>> Sure.

I don't know that I have a
full, complete list of that.

>> There are a few
of them, right?

>> Yeah.

My understanding is that it
started out '40s and '50s.

We were dealing with less
than three different groups

or species or organizations.

That started to expand pretty
quickly by the late 1950s

to half a dozen, maybe.

And then by early 1960s,
that was closer to a dozen.

And that number
grew pretty quickly.

But those first half
a dozen or a dozen

were showing up to try
and help out after we

had gotten into a bad deal.

>> Could you name
a couple of them?

>> I mentioned the
Cortium already.

>> Cortium.

>> The Centauri--

I mentioned them before.

Well, we know that
the Tall Whites,

which is a hybrid group--

they were also showing
up about late 1950s,

early 1960s to help
with the programs

that they were working out in
the test sites out in Nevada--

so Range Four Harry
and all that stuff.

>> Where do they come from?

And what exactly is
their agenda with us?

>> My understanding is they are
a hybrid of a-- one of the Zeta

Reticulan species and a humanoid
species that's very similar

to us so that they are--

were used as an interactive
bridge builder between species,

between a humanoid species
and Zeta Reticulans

by having a hybrid that could
communicate in their language

and be more like them.

So they were originally
engineered as a--

sort of a front man.

But from what we understand,
like so many of the Zeta's

projects, they broke away and
were like, screw you guys,

we don't want to do
whatever you want to do.

We want to do what
we want to do.

And we want to go and find our
own home and be our own people.

And screw you guys.

So their being
here had something

to do with them knowing that
their progenitors were here

and that they had some
information and/or

some technology and/or
some assistance they

could help with.

But it very quickly
became, hey, we don't want

to just front for these guys.

Can we get our own space?

>> Is there something
here they want?

>> Can we get a ranch
in Montana or something?

They wanted to
arrange whatever they

could for their own
individual freedom--

so not sure how many of
them there are or were.

But it was a number
under a million,

whatever in the number of
thousands, tens of thousands,

or whatever, hundreds
of thousands,

which wanted something,
wanted a place to settle,

wanted some spot that
they could call home,

and made an arrangement to
no longer front for the Zetas

so that they could get, again,
a metaphorical ranch in Montana.

They've helped, again,
engineers in the lab, people.

They've certainly negotiated
for probably the largest

number of units of children's
clothing over the decades.

So when they ship
stuff out, their--

one of their largest
shipments that they ship out

is just hundreds and
hundreds of thousands

of units of children's
clothing every year,

a couple of times a year.

>> How bizarre.

>> Yeah.

They like our
clothes or they know

someone who's this size
that likes our clothes.

>> I get a sense.

>> Whatever value it
has to us and to them,

I think it has an even
greater value to whoever

they're shipping it to and
making a stage 3 profit on that

that's probably a lot more than
what it costs us to make or we

would normally sell them for.

Anyway, they--
children's clothes.

>> What is their level
of intelligence compared

to humans?

>> I think it's slightly higher.

Their IQ is slightly higher.

But the ability to do
calculations per second,

I don't think, equals
intelligence or smarts.

It's a kind of knowledge.

It's a kind of intelligence.

And I think we've learned
that intelligence is more

than just computation power.

So I don't know.

They're smarter than
us as far as book

smart, encyclopedia
smart, math smart.

But I don't know.

My experience dealing with
them in combat is they're dumb.

They're easy to trick.

They're easy to fool.

They're easy to provoke.

There's all kinds
of things tactically

that we would consider-- that
if it worked on a human being,

we'd go, wow, they're sad.

That's pathetic.

So just because they're
intellectual smart,

the fact that some of these
other tactics work on them

does not--

>> Makes them look like--

>> Makes them look dumb,
makes them look like rubes.

>> Do these other two species
have different MOs than

the Cortium?

>> Yeah.

Everyone seems to have
their own modus operandi.

So even if there is a certain
agreement about larger goals,

whether it's social,
mental, or technological,

individual species
groups can still

have a very particular
way of engaging,

of requesting or demanding
that something be done,

or how they might
react to, let's say,

things not going smoothly.

So, I guess that's
kind of vague.

But what I mean is you can
have one group or another

that is as distinctly different
from a really nice parent

versus a parent that always
wants to tell you that what

you're doing is wrong.

So not every
extraterrestrial friend

is super understanding of
where we are in our position.

So some might be a
lot more, that's OK,

that's where you're at, let's
keep working it through,

versus one that might be, oh,
what, you stupid monkey can't

get it right again?

Big surprise there.

So just because they're
helping doesn't always

mean they're nice.

>> Right.

Do any of these species have the
ability to time travel or see

into the future?

And does that affect their
decision-making today?

>> Sure.

Time travel technology
is a little complicated

and breaks down in
different types.

So a species that has access
to time travel technology

doesn't mean that they are
a time traveling species.

So the ability to look
forwards and backwards in time

is pretty rudimentary
for most species

once they reach a certain
technological level.

Actually wanting to move
through or impact that reality--

some seek that power.

Some don't.

Some are like, nah,
let's not mess with time.

That's how you get monkeys
ruling the earth and stuff.

Let's not do that.

So not everybody who can
mess with time wants to.

And not everybody that can mess
with it without being regulated

by-- anyway, so time
travel technology--

I would say even if they
do have access to it,

it's not usually something
that we would have

to concern ourselves with it.

But they would certainly
use their ability

to see into the future
to try to help decide

what best thing that
they can do to help

assist the process along.

>> So how are they interacting
with us then, and why?

Is that one of the
ways they're trying

to help make the right
decision for the future?

>> Yeah.

Well, at this point, they're
in an advisory position.

So there are advisors
who stand around

where other military
intelligence

personnel are doing their jobs
and give input and advise.

>> What types of leaders
are they advising?

You said military--

>> Military intelligence
personnel, yeah,

senior military intelligence
personnel in covert military

space program activities.

>> Is this part of the secret
space programs or is this part

of our space force and
our military today?

>> Today?

That's a very good question.

>> Covert, today?

>> Yeah.

I would say covert--

I would say these are things
that have always been covert,

will continue to be covert,
but that any minute now, we

could see some military
programs getting read into some

of these other programs
that I might not get briefed

or told about it until weeks
or months after the fact,

if that occurs.

So I wouldn't say that we
have a knowing right now

of who is getting
read into what.

But it is being suggested
to me that there

are more military personnel,
more senior military personnel,

on this side of the
fence who have not

been read in for
years or decades who

are starting to get briefings.

I don't know what they're
getting briefed on.

I don't know what
they're getting told.

More importantly, I don't know
what they're not being told.

But there's some change there.

There is some exchange
of information

that's happening that was
not happening five years ago.

>> Besides advising and sharing
these technologies with us,

are-- what are these other
species doing to help with us?

And how are they
interacting in that way?

>> Well, like I said,
combination of advising social,

political, military intelligence
leaders, advising scientists,

engineers, and developers
on technology tools,

manufacturing methods.

They're essentially doing
their job, which is to--

the equivalent of going out
into the sticks to a small farm

community that has no indoor
plumbing, no electricity,

no streetlamps, no hospital--
and comes along and says,

OK you guys need to
build a hospital.

We need to put streetlamps in.

We need to pave the roads.

We need to put in some plumbing.

And we need to put
in some electricity.

They're trying to help.

But not everybody
wants the help--

>> What propels them to help us?

Why are they--

>> Again, their entire
philosophy is civilism,

which is civilization is the
bulwark against all barbarism

throughout the universe.

And if you don't have
strong civilization,

then you have strong
tendencies for barbarism

to want to erode and
destroy civilization.

That's just a norm
throughout the universe.

>> How is the
contact first made?

And are they ruled over
by the Galactic Senate?

>> I believe first
contact in this case--

they landed at an airfield
and got out and said, hey,

what's up, and shook hands
and introduced themselves.

They speak multiple languages.

They're psionic.

But they usually don't
communicate telepathically just

because it's more secure when
you're-- as a species that is

not telepathic to have someone
come talk to you in a language

rather than just
think thoughts at you.

So they use
communication as a means

of connecting with species
that are not as developed

and making them feel
more comfortable by using

their native languages.

So they can speak any Terran
language when they come here.

And yeah, they're absolutely
sanctioned and connected

to the Galactic Senate.

That's why they're here.

>> Are their agendas
self-serving or benevolent?

>> Well, if you're talking
about species who are operating

through the galactic
bureaucracy,

more often than not,
their agenda is helpful.

That doesn't mean
that someone doesn't

take a job because
there's something

self-serving about it.

So there are still
those who may be

doing something that
is helpful, and also

self-serving in
some way to them.

>> Right.

>> You can't guarantee that
every volunteer for the Red

Cross is just there to help.

But most of them are.

But most of them are.

>> Of the species
you just mentioned,

how do they progress similarly
or differently than us here

on Earth?

>> The commonality that we come
across is most civilizations,

really depending on aggression
levels, to be quite honest,

either end up on a fork
of one of two paths,

which is either they really
quickly learn to cooperate

and work together as
a people, as a group,

as a society collectively,
or they don't.

And the ones that don't have
to have a moment of truth

where either they change
their ways of not cooperating

and working together and
start cooperating and working

together or, bye, they can
kiss their civilization goodbye

and start over.

It is because of their
understanding of this process

and having watched it occur in
other worlds many, many times

and understanding the process
that they went through

to know that it's like letting
a child try and figure out

how to drive a car
by themselves, right?

So their main goal is to try
and help us not wreck a car

that we don't know
how to drive yet.

>> Were there any significant
major points in their history

where their civilization
was made or broken?

>> Yeah.

In their case, it was
environmental pollution,

industrial pollution.

So they, obviously,
found industrialization,

computerization,
information in a similar way

and had a lot of unclean
burning fossil fuels

and other things similar
to what we have problems

with and reached a critical
point of near destruction

of their ecosystem.

And luckily, someone came along
and helped them sort it out.

And so they felt grateful and
obligated to do the same thing

and say, well, it
was nice that someone

came and helped us sort it out
before we destroyed ourselves.

Maybe we should do
that and feel we

can extend the karmic gratitude
to other civilizations

and help them not
destroy themselves.

>> Are all ET civilizations that
help develop humankind still

here or have they departed and
left it to some other species?

And if so, why?

>> That's a good question.

My understanding of
that is that there

are no less than--
probably many more so

than-- a couple of dozen
species of which we

have definitive genetic
markers in our DNA pool.

So it's not that we've had one
creator, two creators, three

creators.

It's more like we had one
here on the timeline and then

another one here and
then another one here

and another one here as we go
down the timeline so that--

>> Just not so much they said--

they pulled away-- oh,
we're done with this.

It's just someone
was always there

to maybe pick this
up and keep moving.

>> This is where it gets,
actually, a little weirder.

You have in some cases where
very organized and very

deliberate, scientific, planning
species came down to tinker.

You have other situations
where someone just wandered

into the neighborhood, found
out that the locals were

willing to give them free food
and free stuff for a minute

and worship them as gods, and
they stuck around for a while.

And they made some babies.

And they mixed their DNA.

And then they left.

And they're like, oh,
crap, we're out of here.

We don't want to be
responsible for this.

And then they left.

So it's not a singular way
of existing or intention.

There's smart, organized,
scientific people that

show up to sort things out.

And then there's
wanderers who happen

to be following through and
stopped for a minute when

no one else was
taking care of it

and just decided to add
their genetic distinction

to the pool.

And we get that.

So it's a "clusterfudge,"
but not "fudge."

>> Do you think there is
tinkering going on right now

in this moment of history?

>> Yes.

And there will be forever.

I don't foresee a time--

>> Do you believe
that's a positive thing?

Are we being--

>> It can go either way.

>> --being upgraded
or downgraded?

>> It can go either way.

I would like to think that
we're moving and motoring

in a direction that
is towards upgrading.

But as a neutral technology,
it can be used either way.

And I think we should want
to do everything in our power

to make sure that those
who are in control of that

want to do it for our
benefit and our upliftment,

and not the other way around.

But it's inevitable.

I don't think we're going
to see a stage for thousands

or thousands of
years where we're not

going to be tinkering
with our DNA

or having our DNA tinkered with.

It's going to be a
constant for a long time.

Again, let's just--
fingers crossed--

hope that the people who
are in charge of that

are better minded than
those who would do us harm

and ill through that technology.

>> Is it just the
extraterrestrials or the humans

and extraterrestrials?

>> It's both, for sure.

The extraterrestrials had
the technology before we did.

But as soon as we got
it, we're like, OK,

what can we do with this?

How can we start tinkering
and messing with our own DNA?

How can we evolve ourselves in
a conscious, thoughtful, focused

way?

>> You may have seen
the "Dawn of Man,"

where it shows the monkey
turning into the Cro-Magnon

man.

People now are saying that we
are on a similar projectile

of moving forward.

Where would we end up?

>> Well, if I am to understand
the larger demographic map that

I have only looked
at a couple of times,

we're looking at a place in the
evolutionary tree in which Homo

sapiens is going to fork off
into what could be five, six,

or seven different
Homo sapiens--

sapiens, Homo sapiens,
Supra Homo sapien,

whatever they want to come
up with to name them--

Homo sapiens psionicus, I--

whatever.

You're going to have more
than one version of that.

And that's going to work
itself out in a weird way.

>> Will there be a
jump in there between,

like there was with
us in that diagram?

>> Well.

I think what's
happened in the past is

that you have these split-offs.

And what sometimes happened
are those branches come back

together and re-merge.

And some of them fall off.

So I think this is
an opportunity where

the powers that can affect
this have said, alright

let's have an experiment A, an
experiment B, an experiment C,

an experiment D, an
experiment E, an experiment

F, an experiment
G, and see which

one dominates in 10 years.

>> Now, you are
saying experiment.

Now, who is doing
this experiment?

>> Again, it's a combination
of ETs, Galactic Senate,

and us and our own tinkering
and maneuvering for better

or for ill.

We'll see how that goes.

[sighing]

Sometimes, I really
have some of the highest

hopes by some of the things that
I see that we try to create.

I also have some of the
most disconcerting thoughts

of-- based on some of the
things that we try to create.

So I wish we could find some
healthier manifestation for how

we want to create these things.

But some people just
want to Frankenstein

monster whatever they can.

>> So how do you envision
the potential of our future

as a species and Earth itself?

>> More ideal than anything
that we have ever been able

to conceive of.

So again, having seen
and been to a place

where the rules of
civilization matter

more than the rules of chaos--

and right now, I think it's
fair to say we live on a world

where the rules of
chaos are stronger

than the rules of civilization.

>> Unfortunately, yes.

>> Unfortunately.

When that changes,
then everything

has the ability to
fundamentally change.

When you change infrastructure
to the last dead end

road, when you have
plumbing and electricity

to the last dead
end road, when you

have schools and hospitals to
the last dead end road, right?

That's when civilization
extends everywhere.

And when all of those
things extend everywhere,

then everyone's a
participant in civilization.

And I don't even
know how I can try

to describe the change
in the world that

would come from that--

and that the shifting in
global psionic consciousness

of reducing, oh,
I don't know, 90%

of the world's stress,
anxiety, fear, grief, sorrow,

and despair just by patching
up the holes in civilization--

that changes a world
because it changes not just

the way people live--

changes the way
they think, the way

they feel, the way they react,
the way they interact, and what

value they feel is put on them
and the things around them.

And what we know for fact
is when civic citizens--

it's understood to them
through the rules and actions

of civilization
that they have value

so that civic citizens
can also exchange

that civilization has value.

When that relationship is
tight, civilization thrives.

When that breaks down,
civilization crumbles.

And we are seeing the
breakdown of civic order

and responsibility,
civic responsibility,

and that both of
those entities can

see that there is genuine
care and respect of each other

so that there can be
mutual functionality.

Without it, you have
this dysfunctional mess.

But it's fixable.

And it's repairable.

And it's just by fixing the
infrastructure parts of it that

changes the interaction between
civic citizens and civilization

and civic government at large,
which just changes everything.

The domino effect of that equals
everything frickin' changes

forever.

>> It seems like you're
talking about a project.

Is it possible
that we're talking

about a one-world movement,
one-world political setup,

a one-world military?

And if so, why would we be
going in that direction?

And who's in charge of that?

>> So whether people
like this idea or not,

the truth is there is not a
successful planet in our galaxy

that has 183 countries and
183 governments and 183 legal

systems and 183 court
systems and 183 currencies.

That number changes.

It might not be 183.

>> No, we get it.

>> But it's a bunch.

Every successful world in
our galaxy at some point

has one system of
government and one currency.

And I realize that there
are some people who think

that this is a very bad thing.

And I know that
there are some people

that I'm never going to
convince that it's a good thing.

What I can say is
that, again, there's

no successful civilized
world that doesn't do that.

And an evil authoritarian might
also want a globalized system.

It works for them.

But the good guys might also
want a globalized system

because it's the most easy
to make sure that it's

fair and regulated, right?

If you're trying to regulate
a planet that has, again,

almost 200 systems,
you're trying

to tinker with 200 little
things to make sure

that everyone's needs are
met when you really just want

to go, can we just have
one system for this,

because then we can reach
everybody with that?

You can actually reach everybody
with a singular system.

And a singular currency
also balances out

this disparity between the super
wealthy and the super poor.

And this is also a point where
I know some people are never

going to agree with
my point of view

because they think
that they should

be able to be ridiculously
wealthy billionaires.

I'm not saying it would
eliminate ridiculously

wealthy billionaires.

It would just turn what
is an economical inverse

pyramid, where all of
the wealth is at the top

and there's nothing
at the bottom,

and that's how civilizations
collapse-- this doesn't work.

This works better.

You just need to balance
this out a little bit.

And the part that
really blows my mind

that I can't seem to
convey enough to people

is that for people who
are at the top of that

who think they're going
to lose, no, you're not.

You're not going to lose.

You're going to have to give
up this much of this much

so the world doesn't
collapse under your feet.

Maybe that's worth the price.

But there's no system
where that inversion

of economics and wealth works.

So at some point--

I'm not talking about a level,
communist playing field.

>> What will it take?

>> It's not what
we're talking about.

We're just talking
about something

that's more fair than the
incredibly unfair, inequitable

system that we currently have.

>> And what do you think
it'll take for that transition

to move into this new
world order, I'll say?

>> Again, I think it brings
us right back to invasion

scenarios and
disclosure scenarios.

>> To bring us together?

>> By force.

Yeah, that have to
bring everybody together

or, again, we're
going to crumble.

So I think whatever brings
us together, whatever gets us

on the same page, whatever
gets us solving the same 10

logical, clear,
truthful problems is

what will lead us to being OK.

>> Yeah.

I believe it was
Ronald Reagan who

said that if there was an
extraterrestrial threat abroad

from space-- how our
differences would just go away

and we'd work
together as a team.

>> In theory, it
can actually work.

And if we can just get
everybody on the same page

to solve those problems
instead of bicker

about 20 other things
that aren't the problem,

then we can do it.

We can totally do it.

We're just so distracted,
so confused, so polarized

that we're in a
position where you

can't solve problems that way.

You can't solve
problems when everyone's

screaming and throwing
rocks at each other.

If you can't sit
down at a table,

if you can't write down
on a piece of paper,

you're not going
to solve anything.

So at some point, we
just have to, or else.

But I think that there's a
lot of machinations moving it

in a direction where the choice
isn't going to be "either, or."

The choice is
going to be, oh, we

have to pick working together.

That's just the choice
we have to make.

>> Right.

Yeah, to make it happen.

>> Yeah.

And that doesn't
mean it's not going

to be difficult and complicated
and that there aren't

some people that are going
to dig in their heels

and make it more
difficult and complicated.

That's just the way it is.

But that's not a reason
not to change the world.

>> Well, it looks like, Randy,
we do have quite the path ahead

of us.

And I think your point on
having more of an open mind

and awareness for
everyone on the planet

would greatly help everybody.

Thank you so much, Randy,
for being on the show.

>> My pleasure.

Thanks for having me here.

>> I'm Emery Smith.

And this is "Cosmic Disclosure."

Until next time.

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