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[computer clicking]
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[breathing]
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[breathing]
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YOUNG GIRL: Once upon a time,
the sun was shining.
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And it went up into the sky.
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[upbeat music playing]
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TAYLOR: Math and science
make sense.
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Numbers don't lie and aren't
really up for interpretation.
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I come from
a long line of engineers.
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Both my parents are engineers.
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My grandfather is an engineer.
My cousin is an engineer.
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My uncle is an engineer.
I'm an engineer.
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My other cousin's
going for engineering,
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like everyone in the family.
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We're all a bunch of nerds.
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[upbeat music playing]
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[blocks clacking]
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Yes. We have a marble,
a wedge and blocks.
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TAYLOR: My mom is like the hardest
working person that I know,
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so that naturally kind of led
me and my brother to believe
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that like we could be really,
really hard working people.
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I always just wanted
to like make her proud.
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[upbeat music playing]
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I'll admit it. I liked school.
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I always did my homework.
I never once cheated.
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I never once, like,
broke the rules
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because I was too scared
what would happen if I did?
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And also, just like, I didn't
want to break the rules.
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MAN: Whoa! Holy smokes.
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TAYLOR: I think my teachers were
concerned because
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I was worried about college
when I was in seventh grade.
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Like, I was like stressing out
about getting into college
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when I was 12.
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[upbeat music playing]
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I think I'm definitely
very concerned about
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how others perceive me.
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[keyboard typing]
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[notification dings]
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[keyboard typing]
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[notification dings]
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[computer clicks]
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[keyboard typing]
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[notification dings]
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[heavy breathing]
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[static ringing]
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[overwhelming music playing]
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TAYLOR: I was sitting here
with my boyfriend
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and my face popped up
on the screen.
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[overwhelming music playing]
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And it was just shocking.
Like seeing my face.
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Looking at the camera.
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Basically making eye
contact with me.
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I had actually been getting
messages from guys on Instagram.
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[overwhelming music playing]
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It clicked like, oh my God,
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people were messaging me
because they found me on...
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on a porn website.
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I was just...
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first of all shocked that, like, my name
and my face were on there.
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I didn't even, like, register
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that my school and my hometown
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were also on there.
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And then just seeing like,
oh my God,
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these videos have
thousands of views on them.
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TAYLOR: There were, I think, six or
seven videos on Pornhub.
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And there's also
an Xhamster account.
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People were commenting
like disgusting things,
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and I had to read that
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and know that like...
they know my face.
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Like these people now know
what I look like
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and they know my name
and they know where I'm from.
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I was scared that these people
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who thought it was actually me
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would actually try to come
find me.
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And excuse my language,
hearing that the next time
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someone's in your hometown,
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they're going to fuck you,
is just terrifying.
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[overwhelming music playing]
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I still just haven't
really processed it.
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Uh...
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It's...
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It's like one of those things that's too
upsetting to think about.
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So I just don't.
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[concerned music playing]
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TAYLOR: That night I was supposed
to hop on a Zoom call
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to play golf with friends.
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I just wanted to be numb,
basically.
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And then I drank.
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I was making jokes about
it like,
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"No one thought I was going to be
a porn star,"
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stupid jokes that,
just, like, help me laugh
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laugh at the situation
a little bit.
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I didn't want to, like,
feel any of that anymore.
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I didn't want to feel scared.
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I didn't want to feel like
I was going to get hurt.
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[concerned music playing]
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In bed that night,
I kind of just, like, broke.
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I felt very like... dirty.
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It was the end of the night,
and I was like...
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all you have left at that point
is just, like,
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you're kind of
alone with your feelings.
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And then it kind of hit me
what had actually happened.
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[crickets chirping]
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I kept asking myself:
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"Why would someone...
want to do this?"
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And, "Who would do this?"
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I felt like... someone's trying to...
punish me.
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[dramatic music playing]
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VOICES: This is synthetic.
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Read my lips.
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REPORTER: Deepfake videos which
are manipulated using AI
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can make someone
appear as though
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they're saying or doing
something that they're not.
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My face is Ellen's.
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My voice is Michelle's.
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Ellen did not say these words.
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VOICES: Frame after frame
after frame,
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it synthesises a new appearance
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to match the expression of
the person in the original video.
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REPORTER: These manipulated images
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can pose a very real
national security threat -
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Fake videos could become
a real and present danger
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to our democracy, Dana.
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REPORTER: This is a threat
they believe could impact the election.
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But the most pressing daily threat
of deepfakes isn't politics...
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It's porn.
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Right now, it is
a violence against women issue
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and it has been since they entered
the public sphere in late 2018.
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Teachers, social workers,
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nurses, moms, teenagers.
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Once these images are online,
they never truly go away.
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They're out there and there
is no getting them back.
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
May 22, 2020.
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POLICE OFFICER:
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TAYLOR:
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[computer typing]
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POLICE OFFICER:
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TAYLOR:
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POLICE OFFICER:
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[bleep]
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JAMIE:
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POLICE OFFICER:
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JAMIE:
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[phone hangs up]
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[ambient music playing]
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TAYLOR: In those first couple of days,
I was very paranoid.
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It was just constant worrying
about, like,
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are more people that
I know going to see this.
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Are they going to see
this type of stuff on like,
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background checks?
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It kind of, like, consumed
what I did.
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I was really worried
to tell my parents
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because I thought that
they wouldn't really understand
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what had happened, and maybe in a way
think that it was...
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Um... my fault.
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I was just in tears and...
just incredibly upset.
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[ambient music playing]
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I was just terrified that
there was someone out there
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who wanted to do this to me.
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I didn't know
what their motives were,
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I didn't know if their intent was then
to cause me physical harm.
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It was this feeling of like,
I'm not safe anywhere.
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[footsteps]
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TAYLOR:
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JAMIE:
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TAYLOR:
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TAYLOR: I think it's really important
for me to stay anonymous
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because I don't want this to
follow me throughout my life.
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So...
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my name isn't really Taylor,
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and CTech isn't a real college.
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All of this footage is of me,
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but the face you're watching
right now isn't actually my face.
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It's an actor's face
deepfaked over mine.
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This is the only way I would
ever feel safe to tell my story.
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[dramatic music playing]
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TAYLOR: God. We're basically
playing phone tag
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with the police
for a couple of weeks.
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The detective that got assigned
to the case
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finally called me.
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and I had to explain
the entire thing again.
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So they said, "Someone
put porn of you online?"
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And I was like, "No, someone
put my face on porn online."
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And they seemed really confused
as to why that's wrong.
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The detective was saying
weird things to me, like,
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"โOh, well, I need to look
closely at these videos
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to make sure that it's you."
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And, "I'm really going
to have to examine this."โ
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He asked: "โWhat have you done to cause
someone to do this to you?"โ
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[dramatic music playing]
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After a couple of weeks,
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I had called him again
and he said that:
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"โIt's disgusting what happened,
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but the person had a right
to do it."
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Like, they didn't break any laws,
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so they had a right to do that.
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[computer beeps]
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JAMIE: OK, it is now recording.
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TAYLOR: All right it'โs recording.
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JAMIE: Hopefully...
TAYLOR: My head'โs in the center.
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[typing]
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[computer clicks]
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TAYLOR: Hi, Adam
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ADAM: Hi, Taylor.
TAYLOR: Do you have a...
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pseudonym that I should use or...
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ADAM: So nice of you to ask.
No, you can just call me Adam. It's fine.
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TAYLOR: I feel like
I'โm very nervous about,
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talking about, like, my experience.
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Because I called the state police,
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and they basically told me,
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you know, "We can't do
anything for you.
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We're not going to do
anything for you."
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ADAM: I'm not surprised, but I'm
sorry to hear that's happened.
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So, there are no deepfake laws
in your state.
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Um...
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There are a couple
in other states,
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and there'โs no federal law
as it exists today.
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I trained 500 judges last year
on deepfakes,
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and I would say in excess of 90% of them
had never heard of a deepfake before.
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TAYLOR: Yeah.
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ADAM: With respect to
non-consensual pornography laws,
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deepfakes typically don't fall within
the parameters of those laws,
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because it's not the victim's body.
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That's why we typically look
for other ways,
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false impersonation
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or credible impersonation.
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Now, the reality is it's very easy
to anonymize yourself online.
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TAYLOR: Yeah.
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And... usually the
investigations I see
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where they are able to
catch somebody is they -
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there's like a second where
they didn't have their VPN on.
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And that is the tiny hole
in that anonymous shield
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that they're able to get through it
and prove who that person is.
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[dramatic music playing]
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TAYLOR: I want to find out
who did this
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because I want to know why.
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I want to know what was going
through their head
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when they decided to do this.
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Clearly this person
wanted to emphasize
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where I went to school.
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One of my big concerns
is if they go to CTech,
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because I'm going back to
start my Masters in the fall.
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I don't want to be
on the same campus
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as the person who did this to me
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but I have no idea who they are.
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[cat purring]
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[whispers] Good girl.
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[dramatic music playing]
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OK, so I only have like
5 minutes to make this
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because I have to go to work.
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My boyfriend found another
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video that the
person had uploaded,
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so they uploaded a new video,
same profile, same shit.
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Like, really?
Like you're not done yet.
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You're not like,
are you not satisfied
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with everything
that you've done so far?
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I'm annoyed that the police
aren't taking care of this.
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I'm annoyed
that I have to be the one
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to find the evidence
and find, like
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Like I should not be doing
their jobs for them.
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So it's just.
It's just really annoying.
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It's very frustrating.
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[dramatic music playing]
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VOICES: So often they told victims,
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just turn your computer off,
ignore it, it'll go away.
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Not only are these women powerless
to do anything about it,
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but the law protects the websites
distributing these videos.
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Tech companies,
for the last 20 years,
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have had a spectacular gift
of shield from liability.
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It's called Section 230 of the
Communications Decency Act.
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It's the law that allows sites
to be hosted
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in the United States
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that absolves them
of any responsibility.
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The tech industry
profits from it. They do.
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They profit from
the most outrageous,
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the most salacious...
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This stuff is good for business.
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[notification dings]
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[notification dings]
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[notification dings]
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TAYLOR: OK so really, all I have to
say right now is holy fuck.
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About 20 minutes ago
I found out that
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I know the other girl
who this is happening to.
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I lived with her
freshman year of college
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like we used to be friends.
We know the same people.
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We've pissed off,
the same people.
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I just don't even know
how to feel right now. It's...
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Obviously I'm pissed.
Like, I'm very angry.
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I feel horrible that this is
also happening to her,
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because I know
how it's affected me.
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So I can only imagine
how it's also affected her.
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I don't know
what to do right now.
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This is crazy.
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Um...
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But yeah. Holy fuck.
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This is -
This is really fucked up.
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[phone ringing]
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TAYLOR: Hey, Julia.
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JULIA: Hi, what'โ up?
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TAYLOR: How'โs it,
how are you doing?
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JULIA: Good. How are you?
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TAYLOR: I'm good. I'm good.
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This is definitely a weird
situation that we're in.
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JULIA: Yeah.
TAYLOR: I mean, like
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I don't know what information
like you have already,
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but I called the police, they
haven't really done anything,
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so I'm just trying to get
as much information as I can.
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JULIA: My name is Julia in this film,
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but that's not my real name.
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I am a student and I went
to school with Taylor.
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JULIA: At first I started receiving a
bunch of Snapchat notifications
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from people adding me...
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And then finally I like accepted
one of the friend requests
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and I was like, "Hey,
where did you add me from?"
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And he was like, "โOh, someone
posted your Snapchat on 4chan."โ
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TAYLOR: We couldn't find anything
on 4chan,
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but I also didn't know
how 4chan works,
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so I had to have my boyfriend
explain it to me.
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JULIA: So 4chan is an online forum
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where people
can post anonymously,
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and it can be very hard
to track their identities.
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Sometimes photos can be used
kind of as currency on these forums.
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So on 4chan there's threads
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and a really common one is to
post, like, for a specific state.
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So like mine was I think under
the Connecticut one
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and people were requesting
pictures of me,
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like they were asking for me by name.
TAYLOR: Oh my God
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JULIA: It was just like,
it's super creepy.
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TAYLOR: I'm so sorry this
is happening to you.
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This is horrible. I know how
I'm feeling through this.
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So, like, it's just, this is...
This is fucked that someone's doing this.
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JULIA: Yeah.
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I'm just more mad that they,
like, put my name out there
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because I think, Kevin said,
your whole name was out there too.
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TAYLOR: Oh, yeah.
My name, CTech. My hometown.
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Like everything.
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JULIA: Yeah, my hometown
was there, too.
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It's like they're
slowly doxxing us.
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JULIA: A lot of people will like
doxx other people,
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so they'll share like
their private information,
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their address,
their credit card information,
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their phone number,
locations of family members.
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There is this mob mentality.
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Thousands of people at one time
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can just be focused on
harassing a single person.
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JULIA: For me, it was probably like
Mike or Alex,
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if it was someone
from our floor.
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TAYLOR: Yeah, I thought...
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JULIA: You had problems with Alex right?
Like serious problems?
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TAYLOR: Oh, no,
I definitely had problems with Alex.
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I don't know if... at the
end of, like, freshman year,
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he basically just like...
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went off on me and then has
been trying to contact me since.
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JULIA: Well, last I heard of him,
he wasn't doing too hot.
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TAYLOR: Mike was so quiet like
freshman year and not...
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JULIA: Yeah well I was like friends
with him for really like,
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two years and I had
no problems with him.
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And then all of a sudden...
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TAYLOR: I - Same thing.
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JULIA: He even deleted me off
of, like, video games.
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Like, off my video game,
friend list. He was just done.
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TAYLOR: He like, did not...
JULIA: Why is everyone going insane?
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TAYLOR: I don'โt know!
What is it about -
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JULIA: That's three now.
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TAYLOR: Wait, who else went insane?
Mike, Alex... Yeah, Bobby.
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Holy shit, what happened
to Bobby?
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I assume you've seen the things
he's saying to girls now on Twitter.
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TAYLOR: Oh, my God. I opened his
Twitter when I was at work
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and then I was like,
oh my God, I feel like
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I shouldn't be looking at this
on like company Wi-Fi.
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It's just really weird.
I don't know.
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Bobby was quiet, too.
It's all the quiet ones.
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Yeah. Engineering is going
to do it to you.
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[energetic music playing]
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MAN: What'โs good, bro?
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[professor lecturing]
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TAYLOR: Julia and I actually
both lived
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on the engineering floor
together in college.
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I lived with seven other
guys in our dorm freshman year.
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We weren't like
stereotypical college kids.
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You know how
on like college floors
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they always have
like a bag of condoms?
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Well, we got ours
taken away from us
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because we were throwing
them like ninja stars.
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MAN: You messed up.
You'โre a failure at life.
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JULIA: The engineering floor was
one of the less party places,
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believe it or not.
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TAYLOR: In my class,
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there were probably two women
to roughly 50 men.
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MAN: She'โs so much
hotter than you.
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You could have got with Mackenzie
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and grind up all on that ass.
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TAYLOR: There have been guys
in my class who have acted
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very creepy towards me.
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00:26:06,956 --> 00:26:10,090
People would like,
heckle me at meetings.
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[male voices]
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TAYLOR: There was a lot more
jokes about porn.
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There was a lot more jokes
about women.
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That was just more
generally accepted.
401
00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,060
[male voices yelling]
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00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:26,889
JULIA: As a woman you're just
kind of like expected
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to take this harassment because
this is just how the world is.
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00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:49,259
TAYLOR: So we whittled down
the suspects to two people
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based on who we both knew,
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00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:56,266
and also who would know
about this technology
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and this application
of this technology.
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00:27:00,096 --> 00:27:02,098
[dramatic music playing]
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TAYLOR: There was a guy
freshman year
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who lived with me, Mike,
who I was really close to,
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00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:19,899
but we hadn't spoken
in about a year.
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We always made the joke that like,
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00:27:24,251 --> 00:27:26,732
Mike and I like made
one full engineer
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00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:28,734
because he was
like a software guy,
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00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:30,866
I was a hardware person
and we were like,
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00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:33,564
OK, together we have like
one full brain.
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00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:40,223
TAYLOR: He was like
the most adorable person.
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00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,617
You know, he made me laugh.
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00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:46,012
And he really made me feel
like at home at college.
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JULIA: I have a lot of fond memories
of hanging out with him.
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I would like let him
lay his head in my lap
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00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,718
just because like we
were just very close friends.
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00:27:56,936 --> 00:27:58,546
[laughter]
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I don'โt know...
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00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:04,160
It kind of stinks
how everything went down.
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00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:09,600
TAYLOR: It was just a really
good friendship until it wasn't.
427
00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:16,869
He basically tried to make me
his personal therapist,
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00:28:16,999 --> 00:28:19,088
and I just couldn't
handle it anymore.
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00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:21,395
JULIA: Yeah, that's what
happened with me, too.
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00:28:21,569 --> 00:28:25,486
TAYLOR: And what's weird is he didn't
do that to any of the guys.
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00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:29,751
JULIA: Yeah, and I was having
a lot of issues on my own at the same time
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00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:32,798
And he, like, never wanted to listen to
what was going on with me.
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00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:34,582
He just wanted to talk
about his issues.
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00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:38,020
TAYLOR: Yeah, he did
he did the same -
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00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:39,195
same thing to me.
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00:28:46,463 --> 00:28:49,075
TAYLOR: OK, so I'm on campus right now.
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00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:52,295
I guess it's been a while
since I've done a video diary.
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00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:56,082
Grad school's nuts.
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00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:59,302
Engineering school
is a rough time.
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00:29:00,651 --> 00:29:03,437
[birds chirping]
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00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:06,788
TAYLOR: Being back on campus,
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I've noticed that I'm a little
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00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:09,965
bit quieter than I used to be.
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00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:11,837
[footsteps on leaves]
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00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:14,187
I just kind of keep to myself,
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00:29:14,317 --> 00:29:17,059
mostly because I don't know
who's seen the videos
447
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:20,062
and I don't know who could
potentially be involved in it.
448
00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:22,543
[footsteps]
449
00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:28,897
You know, there's this
big secret in my life
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00:29:29,028 --> 00:29:33,380
that I don't really feel comfortable
telling people about.
451
00:29:34,468 --> 00:29:38,428
I think it's kind of caused me
to become a bit more cut off
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00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,387
from all of my friends.
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00:29:42,693 --> 00:29:44,783
VIDEO GAME: Enemy spotted.
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00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,526
JULIA: People are just like,
"oh my God, gamer girls!"
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00:29:49,657 --> 00:29:53,182
or half the time, they expect you to just
be terrible because you're a girl.
456
00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:57,056
VIDEO GAME: One enemy remaining.
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00:29:57,404 --> 00:30:00,015
JULIA: I would love
to become a streamer.
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00:30:00,973 --> 00:30:03,279
My dream would be to have
a bunch of other girls
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00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:05,542
that I stream with regularly.
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00:30:06,282 --> 00:30:08,284
VIDEO GAME:
Last player standing.
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00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:12,636
JULIA: There's some games, you literally
just open up your comms and say "Hi."
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00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,943
They'll be like, "Fuck you,
go kill yourself."
463
00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:17,990
"Oh, is that a girl?
Like, go make me a sandwich."
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00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,687
[gun shot]
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00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:23,343
Oh, I just got head shot because
I was adjusting my volume!
466
00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:29,915
So one of the people we thought
could've been involved, Bobby,
467
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:36,269
has been actually like posting images
of my freshman year roommate.
468
00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:39,838
There's a specific picture he has,
469
00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:41,622
I think he took it off of her Facebook,
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00:30:41,752 --> 00:30:43,537
of like her holding a bunny.
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00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:48,803
And he just keeps posting
that picture cropped in different ways
472
00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:52,981
and like he's been kind of creepy toward
a lot of girls that we don't even know.
473
00:30:53,112 --> 00:30:57,116
But we've seen his Twitter activity...
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00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,422
We don't really know
what's going on with him.
475
00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:04,384
[moody music playing]
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00:31:09,998 --> 00:31:12,653
TAYLOR: Bobby was displaying
some really odd behavior
477
00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:16,265
at the time that Julia and I
found out we were both targeted.
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00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:21,357
Just so out of character from
the person that we knew freshman year.
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00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:29,539
JULIA: He was posting really,
really long stories of like Hentai,
480
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:33,587
which is like
Japanese animated porn.
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00:31:34,066 --> 00:31:38,244
And then stories where he's just running
in the middle of the road at night
482
00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:40,768
or like he'll say he just
got hit by a car.
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00:31:42,117 --> 00:31:46,469
TAYLOR: He was posting almost cult-like
things on his social media,
484
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,170
making it seem like he was
in some video game world.
485
00:31:53,607 --> 00:31:57,959
JULIA: Some sort of like
apocalyptic god storyline.
486
00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:07,708
Talking about like "you mortals,"
and like talking down to humans.
487
00:32:12,669 --> 00:32:16,021
But he would mix it in with, like,
talking about golden showers...
488
00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:23,245
On his regular Instagram and on Facebook,
like things his family can see.
489
00:32:26,901 --> 00:32:28,468
TAYLOR: It was clear from his posts
490
00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:33,560
that he was very much
in this like Internet culture.
491
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:35,257
[footsteps]
492
00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:40,871
TAYLOR: If it is Bobby, the police need to
do something about it. Now.
493
00:32:41,002 --> 00:32:42,656
JULIA: Yeah, he's unstable.
494
00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:46,312
[heavy breathing]
495
00:33:02,197 --> 00:33:04,156
[Taylor groans]
496
00:33:21,477 --> 00:33:27,048
TAYLOR: Hey, so I guess just an update of
what's been going on recently.
497
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:32,445
I spoke to a state police
officer yesterday and...
498
00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:37,885
The problem is
that they're...
499
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,408
...sorry...
500
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:49,462
The problem is, whoever did this
used a VPN for everything.
501
00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:52,943
So the state cop
basically told me that
502
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:55,816
they really can't figure out
who did it-
503
00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,731
or not that they
can't figure it out,
504
00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,821
but that they haven't been
able to figure it out so far.
505
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:04,216
If this person really was
smart enough
506
00:34:04,346 --> 00:34:06,348
to use a VPN for everything
and didn't slip up
507
00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:10,439
and accidentally log in
from their own IP address,
508
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:11,962
Um...
509
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,269
Then I'm not I'm not
going to find out who did this,
510
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,272
and I'll likely never know.
511
00:34:18,273 --> 00:34:19,187
Um...
512
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:22,538
And at that point, the best thing that
I could hope for is that
513
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:25,367
the videos just get taken down and the
person doesn't do this again.
514
00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:28,022
You know, I would love to
have that story of like,
515
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:31,721
you figure out who did it and you
bring them to justice
516
00:34:31,852 --> 00:34:34,550
and you take them to court,
and you make sure
517
00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:37,118
that they never are able
to do this again.
518
00:34:37,249 --> 00:34:42,123
But sometimes it just doesn't
work out like that, sometimes-
519
00:34:42,297 --> 00:34:44,604
sometimes the bad guys
actually win.
520
00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:50,392
Yeah.
521
00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:52,525
Cool.
522
00:34:55,528 --> 00:34:58,922
I'm sorry this didn't really
have a conclusion, but thanks.
523
00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:09,324
[ambient music playing]
524
00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:24,034
TAYLOR: So a new video
was uploaded of me.
525
00:35:25,645 --> 00:35:27,473
It was really, really bad.
526
00:35:36,003 --> 00:35:37,570
I'm worried.
527
00:35:38,397 --> 00:35:40,660
Knowing that the perpetrator
is still active...
528
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,881
I'm worried that they're going
to do something more drastic.
529
00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:49,190
I'm worried all the time.
530
00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,629
[fire roaring]
531
00:35:54,195 --> 00:35:57,720
I deal with a lot of anxiety
and a lot of OCD.
532
00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:01,028
And the anxiety is really bad,
especially now.
533
00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:05,032
With the deepfakes, I feel like I'm not
in control anymore.
534
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,948
And because I feel like
I'm not in control
535
00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:10,211
in that one area of my life,
536
00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:14,346
it's causing me to feel out of
control in other areas of my life.
537
00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:18,263
I should, let me say that again,
538
00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:21,222
because I think it's important
for people to know.
539
00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:26,184
I have always worried about
things that don't make sense.
540
00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:27,881
[wind gusting]
541
00:36:28,011 --> 00:36:32,277
I feel the compulsion to like,
know how others perceive me
542
00:36:32,451 --> 00:36:35,018
and I need that
to be in a positive way.
543
00:36:35,149 --> 00:36:38,239
That's just how my brain works,
is like... I'm a people pleaser.
544
00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:39,675
I need... I want...
545
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:42,025
I never want people
to perceive me in a way
546
00:36:42,156 --> 00:36:45,115
that's not like professional
and not good.
547
00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:50,251
And I feel like what these videos did
is just like, destroy that.
548
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,215
My OCD generally manifests
itself into, like... I...
549
00:36:57,345 --> 00:36:58,694
I check things a lot.
550
00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:03,569
I check... I check to see if,
like, the door is locked.
551
00:37:03,699 --> 00:37:05,179
I check to see
if my car is locked.
552
00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:06,528
I check that things are off...
553
00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:07,660
Um...
554
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:09,836
and I - I repeatedly check them.
555
00:37:11,141 --> 00:37:12,186
And it's... it's...
556
00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:13,970
It's kind of like a broken record.
557
00:37:14,101 --> 00:37:15,233
[water gushing]
558
00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:16,234
[fire roaring]
559
00:37:16,364 --> 00:37:18,018
[objects crashing]
560
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:25,504
It just can get like, all consuming,
where I will worry for hours.
561
00:37:25,634 --> 00:37:29,682
about something I've said, or worry for
hours about if something's locked.
562
00:37:29,856 --> 00:37:32,511
or if something's going to
catch fire or something like,
563
00:37:32,815 --> 00:37:37,255
you know, little things that
just will consume my mind.
564
00:37:38,168 --> 00:37:39,474
[objects crashing]
565
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,478
[ambient music playing]
566
00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:49,136
So, I'm just... I'm angry.
567
00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:55,273
I am done sitting around
and waiting.
568
00:37:58,928 --> 00:38:02,889
You can't just do this and
then move on with your life
569
00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:06,936
and prevent me from moving on
with my life.
570
00:38:09,025 --> 00:38:12,681
[ambient music playing]
571
00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:34,703
TAYLOR: How are you?
572
00:38:34,834 --> 00:38:36,139
JULIA: Am I rotated?
573
00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:37,750
TAYLOR: Yeah.
574
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,882
JULIA: One second. Sorry.
I have the rotate lock on.
575
00:38:41,057 --> 00:38:42,450
OK. Yeah, there we go.
576
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,671
TAYLOR: I spoke to a lawyer
the other day
577
00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:48,456
and he told me to get
screenshots of anything
578
00:38:48,587 --> 00:38:50,502
that looks like evidence.
579
00:38:50,676 --> 00:38:51,720
JULIA: Mhm...
580
00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:54,070
TAYLOR: I've never been
on 4chan before,
581
00:38:54,201 --> 00:38:57,639
so I would not know what
to look at or how to search it.
582
00:38:58,118 --> 00:39:01,861
Kevin, do you remember what the
4chan archive was that we used?
583
00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:06,866
JULIA: It's just called
4chan search dot com.
584
00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:25,841
TAYLOR: Oh, gosh.
585
00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:28,191
Oh, no. That's not
what I meant to search.
586
00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:33,109
What the fuck?
587
00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:39,115
So it looks like what this
thread is, is people editing...
588
00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:42,292
...cum onto people's faces.
589
00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,034
That's a new one.
590
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:56,219
TAYLOR: Oh God, I do not enjoy
searching for this kind of stuff.
591
00:39:56,611 --> 00:39:57,743
JULIA: Yeah...
592
00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:59,484
This is not pleasant.
593
00:40:07,927 --> 00:40:10,712
TAYLOR: That's the thing with trying
to do this type of stuff,
594
00:40:10,843 --> 00:40:12,540
you come across stuff
that you don't...
595
00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:14,107
JULIA: Wait...
596
00:40:14,368 --> 00:40:16,283
I found it.
597
00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:18,154
TAYLOR: Like the picture?
598
00:40:18,372 --> 00:40:20,156
JULIA: Like the deepfake.
599
00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:26,685
Have you ever heard Mike
or Bobby use the word chick?
600
00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:29,731
TAYLOR: No, never.
601
00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:34,997
Someone asked where do you
find the footage to do these?
602
00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:37,913
Then someone said, just scrape their
Facebook and Instagram,
603
00:40:38,044 --> 00:40:39,306
you need like 150 images.
604
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,351
JULIA: Yeah, I saw that.
605
00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:42,918
I'll take screenshots of that.
606
00:40:43,049 --> 00:40:44,006
JULIA: OK.
607
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:49,011
Further down in the thread
of my deepfake
608
00:40:49,142 --> 00:40:52,406
is the same like video
that like my face is on.
609
00:40:52,537 --> 00:40:55,496
The name of the file
is called Sadie.
610
00:40:56,802 --> 00:40:58,630
Which was one of Mike's friends.
611
00:40:59,108 --> 00:41:00,370
But I don't remember...
612
00:41:00,675 --> 00:41:01,894
TAYLOR: Oh, that girl.
613
00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:04,070
Yeah, I know who
you're talking about.
614
00:41:04,244 --> 00:41:08,422
I don't know if I'd be able
to say definitively if it's Sadie or not.
615
00:41:09,031 --> 00:41:11,817
My boyfriend just showed me
a picture of Sadie's face
616
00:41:11,947 --> 00:41:15,168
for comparison, which I
thought she had lighter hair,
617
00:41:15,298 --> 00:41:18,301
so that could actually be her.
618
00:41:18,432 --> 00:41:22,480
JULIA: There seems to be like
a request from "Krelish."
619
00:41:22,784 --> 00:41:25,265
Like, this person actually has
like a username.
620
00:41:28,268 --> 00:41:32,098
TAYLOR: It says
"Hi you horny anons.
621
00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:35,057
Krelish is here with a
new cumshop request thread,
622
00:41:35,188 --> 00:41:37,146
in exchange I want some of
you anons
623
00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:39,671
to fake girls of mine."
624
00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:48,201
TAYLOR: Wait. I know her.
Yeah, I know her.
625
00:41:48,331 --> 00:41:49,289
JULIA: Who?
626
00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:50,986
TAYLOR: She went to our school.
627
00:41:53,336 --> 00:41:55,948
So I should probably send her a message.
628
00:41:57,602 --> 00:41:59,081
JULIA: I found Vanessa.
TAYLOR: Where?
629
00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:01,649
JULIA: Here. Let me share.
TAYLOR: Where's Vanessa?
630
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:04,086
JULIA: See look, this is
definitely her.
631
00:42:04,217 --> 00:42:05,697
TAYLOR: That's for sure Vanessa.
632
00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:07,176
JULIA: And there's Nina.
633
00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:10,353
TAYLOR: Oh, God.
Which one was she?
634
00:42:10,484 --> 00:42:12,530
Wait, there's a second one of Nina.
635
00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:13,661
Further down.
636
00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:15,445
Am I showing my screen?
637
00:42:15,576 --> 00:42:17,056
TAYLOR: Yeah.
638
00:42:17,186 --> 00:42:20,276
JULIA: Is it possible that this
Krelish is his username?
639
00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:22,975
Because it seems like he's
posting most of these pictures.
640
00:42:25,847 --> 00:42:27,240
There's three pictures of Nina.
641
00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:28,458
This one's Nina too.
642
00:42:28,589 --> 00:42:30,765
[computer error sound]
643
00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:32,854
Oh, my God. What is this sound?
644
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,465
TAYLOR: Oh, my God.
That's Sadie. That's Sadie.
645
00:42:35,596 --> 00:42:37,250
That's... that's Mike's friend.
646
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:38,207
JULIA: Where? Where?
647
00:42:38,338 --> 00:42:39,731
TAYLOR: Go - It's Krelish.
648
00:42:39,861 --> 00:42:41,907
Go down, about halfway down the page.
649
00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:43,778
That's her. That is - That's her.
650
00:42:44,866 --> 00:42:47,434
JULIA: Can you like...
TAYLOR: And that's her again.
651
00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:49,871
JULIA: It's definitely him then.
There's no way.
652
00:42:50,872 --> 00:42:52,004
TAYLOR: Oh my God.
653
00:42:54,746 --> 00:42:56,312
[sighs]
654
00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:04,669
[overwhelming music playing]
655
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:21,729
JULIA: Mike was the only
person that knew Sadie,
656
00:43:21,903 --> 00:43:24,036
and the other women posted
in this thread.
657
00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:27,822
[dramatic music playing]
658
00:43:27,953 --> 00:43:30,477
TAYLOR: Mike had a pretty
similar relationship with them
659
00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,914
as he had with me and Julia,
660
00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:36,396
which is like really
being dependent on them
661
00:43:36,526 --> 00:43:38,311
for emotional support.
662
00:43:40,443 --> 00:43:44,273
JULIA: Mike expected for me
to drop everything at a moment's notice.
663
00:43:44,404 --> 00:43:47,015
If I was studying for
a test or doing an assignment,
664
00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:50,192
he would still expect that
you know I would be on demand.
665
00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:58,505
Maybe he felt like he was
entitled to all the attention
666
00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:01,769
and all of the support
that he wanted from us.
667
00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:07,166
And when we set
boundaries for ourselves,
668
00:44:07,383 --> 00:44:10,517
I think that's what...
what made him vengeful.
669
00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:22,224
TAYLOR: The fact that the
group of women is this big,
670
00:44:22,355 --> 00:44:24,966
it scares me, because I just
I have a gut feeling that...
671
00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:27,229
we haven't even found
all of them.
672
00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:41,461
JULIA: Oh damn.
673
00:44:41,591 --> 00:44:44,812
This is so fucking creepy.
And this was in 2018.
674
00:44:51,166 --> 00:44:53,212
This is literally a picture
I took...
675
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,780
...with Mike.
676
00:44:56,694 --> 00:45:00,480
I remember like we made mimosas
for his birthday freshman year,
677
00:45:00,654 --> 00:45:03,178
and like, because he wasn't doing
anything and I wanted to cheer him up,
678
00:45:03,309 --> 00:45:06,181
So we, we had mimosas, like,
in my room.
679
00:45:06,312 --> 00:45:07,966
And, like, that
picture's on here.
680
00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:10,882
That's so fucked up.
That's, like, so fucked up.
681
00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:30,336
TAYLOR: What - I'm sorry, excuse my
language, but this was 2019,
682
00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:32,164
what the fuck?
683
00:45:34,383 --> 00:45:37,169
That's weird. This is...
684
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,563
Is that more recent
than anything else?
685
00:45:40,694 --> 00:45:42,740
TAYLOR: No. That's like a year
before anything else.
686
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:47,396
That's a year before any of the other
deepfakes were made.
687
00:45:48,049 --> 00:45:50,617
TAYLOR: This was probably like,
right after our falling out,
688
00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:54,012
like, right after
we had our big fight.
689
00:45:54,142 --> 00:45:55,448
Yeah.
690
00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:57,537
TAYLOR: Hold on. Just
give me one second.
691
00:45:57,711 --> 00:45:59,278
[web cam switches off]
692
00:46:04,326 --> 00:46:05,197
TAYLOR:
693
00:46:05,327 --> 00:46:06,372
JAMIE:
694
00:46:10,419 --> 00:46:12,160
TAYLOR:
695
00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:14,293
JAMIE:
696
00:46:14,423 --> 00:46:16,251
TAYLOR:
697
00:46:19,951 --> 00:46:21,300
JAMIE:
698
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:23,128
TAYLOR:
699
00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:25,086
JAMIE:
700
00:46:25,304 --> 00:46:26,609
I'm...
701
00:46:29,264 --> 00:46:31,876
No, but...
Like it's fucked up.
702
00:46:32,267 --> 00:46:34,879
Like, we shared a bathroom Jamie,
we shared a bathroom
703
00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:36,837
when he was doing this.
704
00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:39,535
He could have, like,
I don't know what else he has.
705
00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:41,450
Like, I was taking
showers and he was like,
706
00:46:41,581 --> 00:46:42,843
you know, 20 feet away.
707
00:46:44,584 --> 00:46:46,151
It's fucked.
It's like, super fucked.
708
00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:57,379
OK. What am I
reverse image searching?
709
00:47:05,344 --> 00:47:06,911
This one is of, of me.
710
00:47:07,781 --> 00:47:11,654
My face. I recognize
the picture from my...
711
00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:14,353
I don't know, I think
it was on Facebook.
712
00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:16,398
I think it was
on my Facebook profile.
713
00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:19,575
And yeah, this one was made...
714
00:47:20,968 --> 00:47:23,841
...right around the time that
Mike and I had a falling out.
715
00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:28,193
So, it's clear to me now that
716
00:47:28,323 --> 00:47:29,759
he was doing all of this
717
00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:31,936
while we were
very close friends.
718
00:47:32,153 --> 00:47:34,982
So, you know, at times when
I would have considered him
719
00:47:35,113 --> 00:47:36,201
one of my best friends.
720
00:47:46,994 --> 00:47:50,693
[somber music playing]
721
00:47:52,478 --> 00:47:56,656
TAYLOR: Junior year, we
lived together again.
722
00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:01,182
And he really started to like,
723
00:48:01,313 --> 00:48:03,750
I think, lean on me
more and more and more.
724
00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:08,798
I would be in my room
with my door closed.
725
00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:10,670
And like,
every time I would hear like,
726
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,673
a very, like, faint
knocking on the door,
727
00:48:13,803 --> 00:48:16,241
I knew it was him needing to talk.
728
00:48:20,158 --> 00:48:22,638
It got to the point
where it was like,
729
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:24,989
I couldn't take on
all of the things
730
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:26,860
that were going on in his life.
731
00:48:30,211 --> 00:48:32,692
And that's where it started
to go downhill was when I -
732
00:48:32,822 --> 00:48:34,389
I kind of put a boundary there.
733
00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:42,528
TAYLOR: One afternoon after class,
734
00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:45,531
Mike had turned to me to say,
like, can we talk later?
735
00:48:48,142 --> 00:48:50,057
Something in me just like snapped,
736
00:48:50,188 --> 00:48:53,104
and I, yeah, I just couldn't.
I just lost it.
737
00:49:05,638 --> 00:49:09,859
He kind of like shrunk
a little bit, he kind of got quiet.
738
00:49:13,689 --> 00:49:17,867
And we like didn't
really speak after that.
739
00:49:21,088 --> 00:49:24,178
That's how it was for the rest of
the time that we lived together.
740
00:49:24,744 --> 00:49:27,921
[somber music playing]
741
00:49:29,357 --> 00:49:34,710
I think that Mike saw any slight as a
really deep betrayal.
742
00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:40,151
I don't know if he thinks
he's wrong in this.
743
00:49:40,281 --> 00:49:43,502
I don't know if he feels that he is, like,
a perpetrator in this.
744
00:49:44,851 --> 00:49:49,638
I believe that in his mind
he's getting back at us for,
745
00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:51,292
you know, wronging him.
746
00:50:14,054 --> 00:50:17,231
JULIA: Just googling Krelish and
I already have stuff coming up.
747
00:50:17,492 --> 00:50:21,061
TAYLOR: Yeah, it looks like
he used to have a profile on...
748
00:50:21,279 --> 00:50:23,933
something called MrDeepFakes.com.
749
00:50:36,468 --> 00:50:39,558
TAYLOR: I searched the username...
750
00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:45,868
There's this one girl who's like
on here a lot for some reason.
751
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,089
I don't recognize her.
752
00:50:50,134 --> 00:50:52,875
JULIA: Yeah. Her name was also
in the thread with my deepfake,
753
00:50:53,006 --> 00:50:54,181
I'm pretty sure...
754
00:50:56,879 --> 00:50:58,707
Oh, she's an ASMR YouTuber.
755
00:50:59,186 --> 00:51:02,363
She has 4.5 million
subscribers.
756
00:51:18,858 --> 00:51:20,990
TAYLOR: This looks like...
757
00:51:21,121 --> 00:51:24,864
basically an instruction set
on how to create deepfakes.
758
00:51:38,747 --> 00:51:42,447
It says he has like 1.6 million
views. Like, that's wild.
759
00:51:42,577 --> 00:51:46,407
Like who... And it says...
But he only joined a year ago.
760
00:51:48,409 --> 00:51:51,108
TAYLOR: It says he posted 132 videos.
761
00:51:51,238 --> 00:51:52,370
That's fucking insane.
762
00:51:53,327 --> 00:51:56,113
Clearly this was like what
he did in his free time.
763
00:51:57,331 --> 00:51:59,028
Someone that like...
764
00:51:59,290 --> 00:52:03,598
...knew me on a very, very,
very personal level.
765
00:52:03,729 --> 00:52:06,949
It's hard to believe that, like, he...
766
00:52:07,211 --> 00:52:13,130
he has this complete other world that
none of us knew about.
767
00:52:17,656 --> 00:52:21,703
[intense music playing]
768
00:52:26,012 --> 00:52:28,667
VOICES: This isn't just
some sort of hobby anymore.
769
00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:31,626
This is a potentially
lucrative business.
770
00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:35,935
Now you can do it by handing someone
a few bucks over the Internet,
771
00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:39,156
and they'll make one for you
with a video of your target,
772
00:52:39,286 --> 00:52:40,896
the length of an Instagram story.
773
00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:48,339
There are 9,500 sites that specialize in
non-consensual intimate imagery.
774
00:52:49,818 --> 00:52:52,821
That is an exponential growth.
775
00:52:55,998 --> 00:53:00,438
This is not a phenomenon of
weirdos, perverts or oddballs.
776
00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:04,006
There's simply too many of them.
777
00:53:04,137 --> 00:53:06,922
It is everyday people.
778
00:53:07,532 --> 00:53:11,623
It's a professor.
It's a politician.
779
00:53:13,668 --> 00:53:16,889
It's the mayor of a small town
in Denmark.
780
00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:22,416
I mean, these are the people who've gotten
caught in countries around the world.
781
00:53:22,764 --> 00:53:25,202
The biggest deepfake porn
website that I'm aware of,
782
00:53:25,332 --> 00:53:27,465
is averaging about
14 millions hits a month.
783
00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:34,254
There is no woman in the world
who is safe from this technology.
784
00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:45,134
TAYLOR: How's it going?
785
00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:46,266
Good, how are you?
786
00:53:47,398 --> 00:53:51,880
TAYLOR: So I got, like,
a bunch of, like, evidence,
787
00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:53,969
and people that we might know.
788
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,972
I can, like, for sure
send it to you if you'd like.
789
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:58,060
JULIA: Mhm.
790
00:53:58,191 --> 00:53:59,540
But I think we're up to, like...
791
00:53:59,671 --> 00:54:00,889
God, probably like...
792
00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:03,805
[hesitates] five girls?
793
00:54:03,936 --> 00:54:04,719
Five or six?
794
00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:05,677
JULIA: Yeah.
795
00:54:05,807 --> 00:54:06,982
TAYLOR: One... Two...
796
00:54:08,157 --> 00:54:09,115
Six.
797
00:54:09,724 --> 00:54:11,335
Yeah, you can send it to me.
798
00:54:11,465 --> 00:54:12,597
TAYLOR: OK.
799
00:54:12,858 --> 00:54:14,947
See if I recognize anyone.
800
00:54:15,077 --> 00:54:16,557
So many penises as well.
801
00:54:16,688 --> 00:54:18,646
[laughs]
802
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,735
The physics of it doesn't
even make sense.
803
00:54:20,866 --> 00:54:25,262
[laughing]
804
00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:26,654
Looking forward to it.
805
00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:27,612
[laughing]
806
00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,091
I'll get a nice glass of wine.
807
00:54:29,222 --> 00:54:30,397
TAYLOR: Yeah, get like a...
808
00:54:31,877 --> 00:54:33,487
Mike really had
some time on his hands.
809
00:54:33,618 --> 00:54:36,360
Yeah. Very concerned about his
classes as I'm remembering.
810
00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:38,666
Clearly he was doing
several other things.
811
00:54:38,797 --> 00:54:39,841
I know.
812
00:54:45,891 --> 00:54:48,807
[intense music playing]
813
00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:58,295
[phone buzzing]
814
00:55:01,515 --> 00:55:04,692
[intense music playing]
815
00:55:07,913 --> 00:55:12,265
TAYLOR: I spoke to the police
and I gave them Mike's name...
816
00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:16,225
and they were able to
speak to him on the phone.
817
00:55:19,446 --> 00:55:23,537
They told me that he
never admitted doing it,
818
00:55:23,668 --> 00:55:25,800
but that he also never
denied it.
819
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,285
The cop, he kind of like detailed
his conversation with Mike
820
00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:35,897
and he said, "โListen," you know,
"We both know that
821
00:55:36,202 --> 00:55:38,726
there's really nothing else
that can be done about this,
822
00:55:38,857 --> 00:55:41,903
but we need to understand this
isn't going to happen again, right?"
823
00:55:42,034 --> 00:55:44,732
and Mike'โs like, "โNo, it's
not going to happen again."โ
824
00:55:46,255 --> 00:55:50,172
[intense music playing]
825
00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:54,394
TAYLOR: They did say that he, like,
thanked them at the end of the call
826
00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:56,831
for their handling of this.
827
00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:03,751
And then, they told me
they had closed the case.
828
00:56:10,192 --> 00:56:12,238
[intense music playing]
829
00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:29,386
JAMIE: I mean, you could try
messaging him.
830
00:56:29,516 --> 00:56:32,780
TAYLOR: Yeah, I could message him...
JAMIE: See if he admits it.
831
00:56:32,911 --> 00:56:34,086
TAYLOR: I just like...
832
00:56:35,696 --> 00:56:37,089
There'โs no like...
833
00:56:37,437 --> 00:56:38,482
There'โs no... There'โs no...
834
00:56:38,743 --> 00:56:40,788
There is closure but there'โs
no like...
835
00:56:42,137 --> 00:56:44,879
You know, like, I don'โt know if Andrew
will kick him out of the group chat
836
00:56:45,053 --> 00:56:46,707
I don'โt know if...
837
00:56:47,578 --> 00:56:49,710
If he does, if that enough to
get him to like, do it again?
838
00:56:49,841 --> 00:56:51,277
'cause like...
839
00:56:51,756 --> 00:56:54,759
Cutting him off from his
friends might, you know...
840
00:56:56,021 --> 00:56:58,937
Be enough for him to like,
hate me enough to do it again.
841
00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:01,156
I don'โt know what to do...
842
00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,916
TAYLOR: On my freshman
moving day to CTech,
843
00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:24,832
I was terrified that I wasn't
going to make any friends.
844
00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:31,143
I remember the night
before, I was just like,
845
00:57:31,273 --> 00:57:33,711
I'm like not - I don't think
I'm ready for tomorrow.
846
00:57:33,841 --> 00:57:35,234
Um...
847
00:57:35,364 --> 00:57:39,064
We got there. My parents,
like, got me to my dorm.
848
00:57:39,238 --> 00:57:43,764
We, like, moved in and then,
my parents were going to leave
849
00:57:43,938 --> 00:57:46,898
and I was like, I'm not
ready for them to leave.
850
00:57:47,028 --> 00:57:50,031
And so they were like,
we'll go get you...
851
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:52,033
something you need
from the store.
852
00:57:52,251 --> 00:57:55,950
And they did. And then they
came back and I was like not.
853
00:57:56,081 --> 00:57:57,343
I'm sorry, I'm getting a...
854
00:57:57,474 --> 00:57:59,258
I was not ready
for them to leave.
855
00:58:00,651 --> 00:58:02,522
Wow. I didn't think I'd cry
on camera.
856
00:58:04,524 --> 00:58:06,308
I was not ready
for them to leave.
857
00:58:06,439 --> 00:58:10,138
And then we sat down
in our freshman hallway
858
00:58:10,748 --> 00:58:13,315
with all the people
who became my best friends
859
00:58:13,446 --> 00:58:16,101
and started college.
860
00:58:16,231 --> 00:58:17,450
And it was really scary.
861
00:58:22,586 --> 00:58:25,110
I'm sor-- I really didn't think
this was going to happen!
862
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:26,720
[sighs]
863
00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,724
OK. I'm good.
864
00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:35,860
TAYLOR: It's really hard
to, to think about
865
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:39,559
because, you know, sitting
in that hallway,
866
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:42,823
when I was really upset
and really just vulnerable,
867
00:58:42,954 --> 00:58:45,391
was Mike and Bobby.
868
00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:49,613
And they really became
my home away from home.
869
00:58:49,874 --> 00:58:51,615
I trusted these people so much
870
00:58:51,745 --> 00:58:55,183
and I was so vulnerable to all
of them because it was just,
871
00:58:55,314 --> 00:58:57,185
You know, I think we were all pretty
vulnerable at that point.
872
00:58:57,316 --> 00:58:59,405
It was our first time away
from home,
873
00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:00,841
Uh...
874
00:59:00,972 --> 00:59:03,278
and now it just, you know,
that like innocence
875
00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:05,411
that we all had then
is just gone.
876
00:59:08,762 --> 00:59:10,764
[moody music playing]
877
00:59:10,938 --> 00:59:16,596
[muffled male voices]
878
00:59:17,989 --> 00:59:20,818
TAYLOR: He's still friends
with all of my friends and...
879
00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:24,996
it's tough because I can't
really tell them about it.
880
00:59:25,126 --> 00:59:27,781
I tried telling one of them
and he didn't really believe me,
881
00:59:27,912 --> 00:59:28,869
that it was him.
882
00:59:29,827 --> 00:59:32,351
TAYLOR: I'm trying not to blame him...
883
00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:34,658
because, like, he is just
trying to keep the peace.
884
00:59:34,919 --> 00:59:37,661
[muffled male voices]
885
00:59:37,965 --> 00:59:39,880
Because the police
didn't do anything,
886
00:59:40,011 --> 00:59:42,404
it feels like it's kind
of my word against his.
887
00:59:43,449 --> 00:59:47,409
It just makes me nervous,
you know, slandering him.
888
00:59:48,236 --> 00:59:50,108
I definitely worry
that something would happen
889
00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:53,590
where people wouldn't like me,
or people would turn against me.
890
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,811
[muffled male voices]
891
00:59:58,116 --> 01:00:01,206
TAYLOR: It feels like I've had to deal
with all of the consequences
892
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,077
that he should have had
to deal with.
893
01:00:03,382 --> 01:00:07,255
Like I've had to leave the
friend group and he hasn't.
894
01:00:18,353 --> 01:00:20,051
ADAM: In a perfect world
for someone to say,
895
01:00:20,181 --> 01:00:22,401
all right, we're going
to get you whatever you want
896
01:00:22,531 --> 01:00:24,142
as far as an outcome for this,
897
01:00:24,272 --> 01:00:26,666
what would...what would
that look like for you?
898
01:00:27,014 --> 01:00:29,756
Yeah, I don't know. It's a
tough question because, like,
899
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:32,454
you know, I think that that's
kind of shifted in my mind now.
900
01:00:32,585 --> 01:00:34,152
I don't really know if there
really is anything
901
01:00:34,282 --> 01:00:36,545
that can be done to make up
for what happened so...
902
01:00:37,024 --> 01:00:39,505
I mean, you should be really
proud of yourself, though.
903
01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:44,641
I mean, you got a lot further
in the criminal justice process
904
01:00:44,771 --> 01:00:46,686
than most folks that
I've worked with.
905
01:00:46,817 --> 01:00:49,080
So you must have really
advocated hard for yourself.
906
01:00:49,254 --> 01:00:50,472
Yeah, thank you.
907
01:00:51,909 --> 01:00:53,345
TAYLOR: Here's the thing. I guess...
908
01:00:53,475 --> 01:00:54,651
here's my question is... Um...
909
01:00:56,130 --> 01:00:58,698
When talking about, like,
what he did,
910
01:00:58,829 --> 01:01:01,483
am I able to say,
based on my recollection,
911
01:01:01,614 --> 01:01:03,485
and on my hunch,
I think he did it.
912
01:01:03,616 --> 01:01:06,445
Would that be like slanderous towards
him in any way?
913
01:01:06,575 --> 01:01:10,492
Or am I am I supposed to just, like, not
talk about it at all?
914
01:01:10,623 --> 01:01:12,059
OK, so I want you to know -
915
01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:14,018
what you're thinking and
how you're feeling about this,
916
01:01:14,148 --> 01:01:15,323
very normal.
917
01:01:15,454 --> 01:01:17,064
And I get why
you want to be careful.
918
01:01:17,195 --> 01:01:19,110
But you're the last person,
919
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,678
of everybody involved
in this so far,
920
01:01:21,808 --> 01:01:23,462
you're the last person who
should be worried about
921
01:01:23,592 --> 01:01:25,986
doing something wrong
or saying something wrong.
922
01:01:26,204 --> 01:01:27,814
And frankly,
923
01:01:27,945 --> 01:01:30,425
that is a form of
silencing you. Right?
924
01:01:30,556 --> 01:01:31,557
Um...
925
01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:33,080
That is never OK.
926
01:01:38,869 --> 01:01:43,656
[suspenseful music playing]
927
01:02:21,389 --> 01:02:23,304
GIBI: Hello.
928
01:02:23,435 --> 01:02:24,523
[tapping]
929
01:02:24,653 --> 01:02:26,307
Look up. Look to the side.
930
01:02:26,438 --> 01:02:27,526
[liquid sounds]
931
01:02:27,656 --> 01:02:30,224
May I know your name?
932
01:02:30,398 --> 01:02:31,791
[clicking]
933
01:02:31,922 --> 01:02:33,619
I'm going to go ahead
and map out your face here.
934
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,968
[cutting]
935
01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:39,277
I could figure it out on my own, but...
936
01:02:39,407 --> 01:02:41,322
I wanted to ask permission.
937
01:02:44,151 --> 01:02:45,805
GIBI: Hello!
TAYLOR: Hi, how's it going?
938
01:02:45,936 --> 01:02:48,025
GIBI: Good. How are you?
939
01:02:48,155 --> 01:02:49,417
TAYLOR: Good.
940
01:02:49,548 --> 01:02:50,941
Cool. It's so nice to meet you,
I'm [bleep]
941
01:02:51,071 --> 01:02:52,072
GIBI: Nice to meet you.
942
01:02:52,203 --> 01:02:53,552
TAYLOR: Oh, t hat's my real name.
943
01:02:53,682 --> 01:02:56,033
GIBI: You can call me Gibi
TAYLOR: I'm Taylor.
944
01:02:56,163 --> 01:02:57,730
So, yeah, I guess.
945
01:02:57,861 --> 01:03:00,602
I guess... I guess you were also...
946
01:03:00,864 --> 01:03:02,822
targeted by um...
947
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,956
...this kid that targeted me, which I'm so
sorry that it happened to you.
948
01:03:06,086 --> 01:03:07,609
GIBI: Is it the same one?
949
01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:09,089
I know, I was like,
sorry to meet under the circumstances.
950
01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:10,656
TAYLOR: Yeah...
951
01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:12,353
I'm happy to give you
whatever information you want.
952
01:03:12,484 --> 01:03:13,790
Yeah, sure. Send it over.
953
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,922
Here's the username.
954
01:03:16,053 --> 01:03:18,446
And then here's his actual name.
955
01:03:20,274 --> 01:03:23,800
So the account has
28 videos of you, Gibi,
956
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:28,630
and it has 536,011 views
in total.
957
01:03:28,761 --> 01:03:30,241
Holy shit.
958
01:03:30,371 --> 01:03:32,417
I mean it is interesting
when you tell me the name
959
01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,680
of a person, like, instantly,
I'm just like, oh.
960
01:03:35,246 --> 01:03:39,032
I would love to just put
his face on the Internet and on Twitter
961
01:03:39,163 --> 01:03:41,295
and just be like... hello.
962
01:03:41,426 --> 01:03:43,254
I know. I feel that.
963
01:03:43,384 --> 01:03:48,737
But whenever there is some sort of
stalker, creep, harassment situation...
964
01:03:49,738 --> 01:03:53,830
really the best professional
advice that you can get
965
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,266
is to just ignore them.
966
01:03:55,396 --> 01:03:57,137
And it's really frustrating
967
01:03:57,268 --> 01:03:59,052
that that is our best option.
968
01:03:59,183 --> 01:04:01,489
You have to ignore them and
hope that they just go away
969
01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,057
and get bored and then
go to harass another person,
970
01:04:04,753 --> 01:04:06,625
or maybe fall off a cliff
conveniently or something.
971
01:04:06,755 --> 01:04:09,280
You know what I mean?
It's like I just hope they go away.
972
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:10,934
Like, that's literally all you can do.
973
01:04:11,195 --> 01:04:12,718
It is very satisfying
to have a name.
974
01:04:12,936 --> 01:04:14,459
Yeah.
975
01:04:14,589 --> 01:04:17,114
I know so many people personally
that this has happened to,
976
01:04:17,288 --> 01:04:20,857
but it's not being talked
about for fear of safety,
977
01:04:20,987 --> 01:04:22,728
for fear of embarrassment,
978
01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:25,165
for fear of being misunderstood.
979
01:04:25,296 --> 01:04:27,646
So I think I'm very tired
of ignoring it.
980
01:04:28,952 --> 01:04:30,954
[dramatic music playing]
981
01:04:32,956 --> 01:04:35,349
VOICES: There are very,
very, very few people
982
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,612
out there speaking out about this.
983
01:04:37,743 --> 01:04:42,139
Because that exposes
that person to further abuse.
984
01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:49,189
And so that is weaponized
in order to keep victims silent.
985
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:59,025
The primary targets
for this kind of abuse
986
01:04:59,156 --> 01:05:01,158
are women that have
upset men in some way,
987
01:05:01,854 --> 01:05:04,204
w hether that's by being successful,
by being powerful,
988
01:05:04,422 --> 01:05:06,859
by being unattainable,
by being whatever it is.
989
01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:13,213
Whoever is targeted
is driven offline.
990
01:05:16,303 --> 01:05:20,177
It's like the aperture
of people's lives closes.
991
01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:24,094
The disciplinary effect
of those deepfakes is:
992
01:05:24,311 --> 01:05:26,400
you shouldn't be successful,
993
01:05:26,835 --> 01:05:29,969
you shouldn't go into journalism,
you shouldn't go into politics.
994
01:05:30,491 --> 01:05:32,929
That has a massive
chilling effect.
995
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:50,250
GIBI: Hi.
996
01:05:50,555 --> 01:05:53,340
Today I need to talk
about something uncomfortable.
997
01:05:54,385 --> 01:05:58,476
There is a lot of porn of me
on the internet.
998
01:05:58,606 --> 01:06:02,436
My face has been digitally
plastered countless times
999
01:06:02,567 --> 01:06:04,438
over other people's
naked bodies
1000
01:06:04,569 --> 01:06:07,267
to create sex content
that I never consented to.
1001
01:06:07,528 --> 01:06:12,533
It has felt hopeless and honestly unsafe
to ever speak out.
1002
01:06:12,794 --> 01:06:18,061
However, I am relieved to finally be
talking about this with some support.
1003
01:06:18,365 --> 01:06:20,106
I was contacted by someone
1004
01:06:20,237 --> 01:06:23,196
who thinks she has actually
discovered the identity
1005
01:06:23,327 --> 01:06:26,373
of a person who has created
deepfakes of her.
1006
01:06:26,504 --> 01:06:31,813
But this same username
also made a ton of videos of me,
1007
01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:34,686
and a dozen of my friends.
1008
01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:38,603
I now know his name,
1009
01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:41,084
where he lives
and where he works,
1010
01:06:42,172 --> 01:06:47,655
and I am so ready to finally
be able to pursue
1011
01:06:48,047 --> 01:06:50,223
whatever action I can
1012
01:06:50,354 --> 01:06:54,793
to find some semblance
of justice
1013
01:06:54,923 --> 01:06:58,449
on behalf of all the people
he has done this to.
1014
01:06:58,579 --> 01:07:01,234
I don't care if it's just one.
1015
01:07:01,408 --> 01:07:04,324
I want to let him know
that I know.
1016
01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:08,372
If that resonates with you,
1017
01:07:08,502 --> 01:07:11,375
I really, really
would like to hear from you.
1018
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:19,035
[somber music playing]
1019
01:07:31,656 --> 01:07:33,397
FEMALE VOICES: I Googled my name.
1020
01:07:36,617 --> 01:07:39,055
And all of a sudden
the result pops up.
1021
01:07:42,754 --> 01:07:46,758
And everything just caved
in really quickly around me.
1022
01:07:54,244 --> 01:07:57,899
Honestly, I've still
not really got much of an idea
1023
01:07:58,030 --> 01:08:03,383
if it's somebody who I have
been close to or am close to.
1024
01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:12,958
It felt like the image
was kind of like ammunition
1025
01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:17,180
that could be used against me
for the rest of my life.
1026
01:08:23,577 --> 01:08:26,189
I couldn't think.
I couldn't function.
1027
01:08:29,888 --> 01:08:32,325
I stopped eating for
like a year where I felt like
1028
01:08:32,456 --> 01:08:38,810
if I became smaller, somehow
people would notice me less.
1029
01:08:44,859 --> 01:08:47,645
It just became very easy
to think about
1030
01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:51,301
how death would be much
easier than living this hell.
1031
01:08:59,961 --> 01:09:02,486
I felt alone and scared.
1032
01:09:06,403 --> 01:09:08,796
There's always this
scary amount of backlash
1033
01:09:08,927 --> 01:09:11,016
and people will say
you're overreacting
1034
01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:14,106
or you post stuff online,
so you deserve this.
1035
01:09:16,282 --> 01:09:18,719
Seeing Gibi speak out,
1036
01:09:18,850 --> 01:09:22,201
I finally felt like I wasn't alone.
1037
01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:27,859
I felt like I now had a voice.
1038
01:09:31,471 --> 01:09:34,344
[somber music playing]
1039
01:09:45,268 --> 01:09:47,226
OK. So a quick update.
1040
01:09:47,357 --> 01:09:50,838
I heard about
a White House meeting
1041
01:09:50,969 --> 01:09:52,840
that's going to be taking place,
1042
01:09:52,971 --> 01:09:56,235
focusing on deepfakes
and how to change the laws.
1043
01:09:56,366 --> 01:09:59,847
So I'm going to be giving
a deepfaked testimony.
1044
01:09:59,978 --> 01:10:03,111
I'll basically be
recording a short video
1045
01:10:03,286 --> 01:10:04,939
kind of telling my experience
1046
01:10:05,113 --> 01:10:07,812
and what I think needs
to happen to hopefully
1047
01:10:07,942 --> 01:10:10,728
prevent this from happening
to more people in the future,
1048
01:10:10,858 --> 01:10:12,991
that people at the White House
will view.
1049
01:10:13,121 --> 01:10:14,688
So I guess this is like kind of
1050
01:10:14,819 --> 01:10:16,473
the coolest thing that I've done
1051
01:10:16,603 --> 01:10:18,910
that I can't actually
tell anyone about
1052
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,042
because no one's going
to know who I am.
1053
01:10:21,521 --> 01:10:23,610
So that'll be
pretty cool, I hope.
1054
01:10:23,741 --> 01:10:25,438
I'm a little nervous
to like film it
1055
01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:28,006
just because I feel like this
is like the closest
1056
01:10:28,136 --> 01:10:32,576
thing to actual change
that I've been able to do.
1057
01:10:32,706 --> 01:10:35,361
So yeah, it's
a little nerve wracking,
1058
01:10:35,492 --> 01:10:39,974
but definitely an exciting step in this...
1059
01:10:40,105 --> 01:10:43,064
very weird journey that I've been on.
1060
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:45,241
Oh, and yeah,
if I haven't mentioned it,
1061
01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:47,199
I still suck at
making video diaries.
1062
01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:50,071
So thank God,
I'm being deepfaked.
1063
01:10:50,463 --> 01:10:52,335
I mean, not thank God
I'm being deepfaked,
1064
01:10:52,465 --> 01:10:55,120
thank God I'll be anonymous,
you know what I mean.
1065
01:10:58,558 --> 01:10:59,951
Hi, my name is Taylor
1066
01:11:00,081 --> 01:11:01,605
and I appreciate the platform
1067
01:11:01,735 --> 01:11:04,172
to be able to
speak to you today.
1068
01:11:04,303 --> 01:11:05,652
Before I begin,
1069
01:11:05,783 --> 01:11:08,351
I should mention that my name
is not really Taylor
1070
01:11:08,481 --> 01:11:10,178
and this isn't actually my face.
1071
01:11:11,397 --> 01:11:13,530
What I want you to understand
about deepfakes
1072
01:11:13,660 --> 01:11:15,967
is that there are hundreds
of thousands of women
1073
01:11:16,097 --> 01:11:18,752
being affected
by this right now.
1074
01:11:18,883 --> 01:11:20,537
You may not be able to see them,
1075
01:11:20,667 --> 01:11:24,410
but the impacts are very
real and very serious.
1076
01:11:24,541 --> 01:11:27,631
[suspenseful music playing]
1077
01:11:35,987 --> 01:11:40,121
TAYLOR: I think because he
essentially got away with this,
1078
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:45,083
Mike will certainly keep doing
this to women in his life.
1079
01:11:45,213 --> 01:11:49,435
JULIA: I think it's disgusting that he's
not going to face any repercussions.
1080
01:11:49,566 --> 01:11:52,046
His future female co-workers
1081
01:11:52,177 --> 01:11:54,658
and female friends have no idea
that he's done this.
1082
01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:58,966
And I think that's really dangerous
for the people around him.
1083
01:12:00,054 --> 01:12:02,056
[suspenseful music playing]
1084
01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:10,413
VOICES: Every time we see behavior
that is so egregious
1085
01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:15,505
and there's no accountability,
it really is a blank check
1086
01:12:15,635 --> 01:12:17,158
to do even more of it.
1087
01:12:22,207 --> 01:12:25,036
We have to create so much pain
1088
01:12:25,297 --> 01:12:26,603
for the Pornhubs of the world,
1089
01:12:26,733 --> 01:12:27,865
the Xvideos of the world,
1090
01:12:27,995 --> 01:12:30,171
that they will move
heaven and earth
1091
01:12:30,302 --> 01:12:32,043
to get this stuff off
their platforms.
1092
01:12:36,482 --> 01:12:39,311
We're at the very beginning
of this battle,
1093
01:12:39,964 --> 01:12:43,489
but we're not gonna allow
the dark recesses of the internet
1094
01:12:44,055 --> 01:12:45,709
to dictate our future.
1095
01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:52,106
I passed my thesis...
1096
01:12:52,237 --> 01:12:54,805
I have to fix the measurements setup,
but I passed my thesis!
1097
01:12:55,109 --> 01:12:57,068
I can get a master's degree now.
1098
01:12:58,330 --> 01:12:59,418
That's fucking dope!
1099
01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:01,942
And we're going to California.
1100
01:13:02,073 --> 01:13:03,422
I start my job.
1101
01:13:03,553 --> 01:13:05,468
I'm graduating in September,
getting my degree,
1102
01:13:05,598 --> 01:13:07,121
going to be done with school.
1103
01:13:07,252 --> 01:13:10,081
So excited about that.
That's dope.
1104
01:13:11,996 --> 01:13:12,953
It'โs dope.
1105
01:13:14,825 --> 01:13:17,175
[suspenseful music playing]
1106
01:13:21,701 --> 01:13:25,139
TAYLOR: I guess I just like never thought
that Silicon Valley type jobs
1107
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:27,185
would ever be within my reach.
1108
01:13:31,624 --> 01:13:33,278
Being in a male-dominated field,
1109
01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:34,975
I want to be
taken seriously.
1110
01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:38,675
I want to be known for
my technical accomplishments
1111
01:13:38,805 --> 01:13:42,679
and the things that I, you know, have
chosen to do with my life.
1112
01:13:45,638 --> 01:13:47,335
JULIA: I would love to be
like a face for, like,
1113
01:13:47,553 --> 01:13:48,380
more women in gaming,
1114
01:13:48,511 --> 01:13:51,035
but the deepfake situation
1115
01:13:51,165 --> 01:13:54,125
has definitely caused me
to think twice about that.
1116
01:13:55,126 --> 01:13:56,954
[arrow whirs]
1117
01:14:01,045 --> 01:14:02,481
JULIA: There's a deer on
the boardwalk.
1118
01:14:02,612 --> 01:14:03,787
I don't know if you
can see that. There's...
1119
01:14:03,961 --> 01:14:05,615
I literally just watched a deer
1120
01:14:05,745 --> 01:14:07,486
hop across the bank parking lot.
1121
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:10,054
It's running down the boardwalk.
1122
01:14:10,402 --> 01:14:12,448
Do you see it? What the heck!
1123
01:14:12,578 --> 01:14:13,579
Caught on candid...
1124
01:14:13,710 --> 01:14:16,060
It's sprinting
down the boardwalk!
1125
01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:23,067
[suspenseful music playing]
1126
01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:32,555
TAYLOR: It's highly likely that there
is still more stuff out there
1127
01:14:32,685 --> 01:14:34,600
that I haven't seen.
1128
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:45,089
But then I can't let that fear
affect how I live my life.
1129
01:14:56,056 --> 01:14:58,058
[distorted music playing]
1130
01:15:10,984 --> 01:15:16,076
[crickets chirping]
88996
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