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I'm an engineer. 13 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:43,842 My other cousin's going for engineering, 14 00:01:43,973 --> 00:01:45,670 like everyone in the family. 15 00:01:45,801 --> 00:01:47,194 We're all a bunch of nerds. 16 00:01:47,368 --> 00:01:49,674 [upbeat music playing] 17 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:51,067 [blocks clacking] 18 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,939 Yes. We have a marble, a wedge and blocks. 19 00:01:54,157 --> 00:01:56,855 TAYLOR: My mom is like the hardest working person that I know, 20 00:01:57,726 --> 00:02:00,468 so that naturally kind of led me and my brother to believe 21 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:03,297 that like we could be really, really hard working people. 22 00:02:04,559 --> 00:02:06,561 I always just wanted to like make her proud. 23 00:02:07,083 --> 00:02:09,129 [upbeat music playing] 24 00:02:18,703 --> 00:02:21,097 I'll admit it. I liked school. 25 00:02:21,228 --> 00:02:23,447 I always did my homework. I never once cheated. 26 00:02:23,578 --> 00:02:25,232 I never once, like, broke the rules 27 00:02:25,362 --> 00:02:27,669 because I was too scared what would happen if I did? 28 00:02:27,799 --> 00:02:29,758 And also, just like, I didn't want to break the rules. 29 00:02:29,932 --> 00:02:31,847 MAN: Whoa! Holy smokes. 30 00:02:32,587 --> 00:02:34,110 TAYLOR: I think my teachers were concerned because 31 00:02:34,241 --> 00:02:37,026 I was worried about college when I was in seventh grade. 32 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,811 Like, I was like stressing out about getting into college 33 00:02:39,942 --> 00:02:40,899 when I was 12. 34 00:02:42,118 --> 00:02:45,208 [upbeat music playing] 35 00:02:47,950 --> 00:02:49,821 I think I'm definitely very concerned about 36 00:02:49,952 --> 00:02:51,301 how others perceive me. 37 00:02:57,612 --> 00:02:59,744 [keyboard typing] 38 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:03,183 [notification dings] 39 00:03:05,446 --> 00:03:07,361 [keyboard typing] 40 00:03:11,669 --> 00:03:12,670 [notification dings] 41 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:19,895 [notification dings] 42 00:03:26,858 --> 00:03:27,859 [computer clicks] 43 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:29,426 [keyboard typing] 44 00:03:31,602 --> 00:03:32,821 [notification dings] 45 00:03:39,044 --> 00:03:43,179 [heavy breathing] 46 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:46,878 [static ringing] 47 00:03:55,060 --> 00:03:58,150 [overwhelming music playing] 48 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:05,462 TAYLOR: I was sitting here with my boyfriend 49 00:04:06,071 --> 00:04:08,596 and my face popped up on the screen. 50 00:04:08,770 --> 00:04:11,251 [overwhelming music playing] 51 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:15,994 And it was just shocking. Like seeing my face. 52 00:04:16,125 --> 00:04:18,170 Looking at the camera. 53 00:04:18,301 --> 00:04:20,564 Basically making eye contact with me. 54 00:04:30,052 --> 00:04:33,273 I had actually been getting messages from guys on Instagram. 55 00:04:34,665 --> 00:04:37,233 [overwhelming music playing] 56 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:44,501 It clicked like, oh my God, 57 00:04:44,719 --> 00:04:47,548 people were messaging me because they found me on... 58 00:04:47,722 --> 00:04:48,810 on a porn website. 59 00:04:55,686 --> 00:04:57,166 I was just... 60 00:04:57,732 --> 00:05:00,300 first of all shocked that, like, my name and my face were on there. 61 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:02,389 I didn't even, like, register 62 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:05,914 that my school and my hometown 63 00:05:06,044 --> 00:05:07,176 were also on there. 64 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:09,091 And then just seeing like, oh my God, 65 00:05:09,221 --> 00:05:11,441 these videos have thousands of views on them. 66 00:05:17,142 --> 00:05:21,059 TAYLOR: There were, I think, six or seven videos on Pornhub. 67 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:24,889 And there's also an Xhamster account. 68 00:05:37,728 --> 00:05:40,209 People were commenting like disgusting things, 69 00:05:40,557 --> 00:05:41,732 and I had to read that 70 00:05:41,863 --> 00:05:44,300 and know that like... they know my face. 71 00:05:44,431 --> 00:05:46,868 Like these people now know what I look like 72 00:05:46,998 --> 00:05:49,349 and they know my name and they know where I'm from. 73 00:05:57,792 --> 00:05:58,749 I was scared that these people 74 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,272 who thought it was actually me 75 00:06:00,403 --> 00:06:02,362 would actually try to come find me. 76 00:06:06,975 --> 00:06:08,933 And excuse my language, hearing that the next time 77 00:06:09,064 --> 00:06:10,718 someone's in your hometown, 78 00:06:10,935 --> 00:06:13,982 they're going to fuck you, is just terrifying. 79 00:06:16,245 --> 00:06:19,640 [overwhelming music playing] 80 00:06:27,169 --> 00:06:29,171 I still just haven't really processed it. 81 00:06:30,172 --> 00:06:31,086 Uh... 82 00:06:32,174 --> 00:06:35,090 It's... 83 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,005 It's like one of those things that's too upsetting to think about. 84 00:06:37,135 --> 00:06:38,920 So I just don't. 85 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:42,402 [concerned music playing] 86 00:06:49,757 --> 00:06:52,020 TAYLOR: That night I was supposed to hop on a Zoom call 87 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:53,804 to play golf with friends. 88 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:02,378 I just wanted to be numb, basically. 89 00:07:05,686 --> 00:07:06,774 And then I drank. 90 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:13,824 I was making jokes about it like, 91 00:07:13,955 --> 00:07:15,870 "No one thought I was going to be a porn star," 92 00:07:16,044 --> 00:07:18,655 stupid jokes that, just, like, help me laugh 93 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:20,614 laugh at the situation a little bit. 94 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:29,666 I didn't want to, like, feel any of that anymore. 95 00:07:30,493 --> 00:07:34,454 I didn't want to feel scared. 96 00:07:34,584 --> 00:07:37,674 I didn't want to feel like I was going to get hurt. 97 00:07:37,805 --> 00:07:41,939 [concerned music playing] 98 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:46,422 In bed that night, I kind of just, like, broke. 99 00:07:49,425 --> 00:07:51,471 I felt very like... dirty. 100 00:07:53,690 --> 00:07:55,953 It was the end of the night, and I was like... 101 00:07:57,607 --> 00:07:59,000 all you have left at that point is just, like, 102 00:07:59,130 --> 00:08:00,871 you're kind of alone with your feelings. 103 00:08:01,002 --> 00:08:03,613 And then it kind of hit me what had actually happened. 104 00:08:05,267 --> 00:08:07,835 [crickets chirping] 105 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:15,364 I kept asking myself: 106 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,149 "Why would someone... want to do this?" 107 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,238 And, "Who would do this?" 108 00:08:24,895 --> 00:08:30,074 I felt like... someone's trying to... punish me. 109 00:08:31,032 --> 00:08:33,121 [dramatic music playing] 110 00:08:35,036 --> 00:08:37,081 VOICES: This is synthetic. 111 00:08:37,212 --> 00:08:38,605 Read my lips. 112 00:08:39,431 --> 00:08:42,260 REPORTER: Deepfake videos which are manipulated using AI 113 00:08:42,391 --> 00:08:43,827 can make someone appear as though 114 00:08:43,958 --> 00:08:46,351 they're saying or doing something that they're not. 115 00:08:47,614 --> 00:08:49,267 My face is Ellen's. 116 00:08:49,398 --> 00:08:51,226 My voice is Michelle's. 117 00:08:51,443 --> 00:08:53,271 Ellen did not say these words. 118 00:08:55,186 --> 00:08:57,101 VOICES: Frame after frame after frame, 119 00:08:57,232 --> 00:09:00,104 it synthesises a new appearance 120 00:09:00,235 --> 00:09:03,107 to match the expression of the person in the original video. 121 00:09:03,934 --> 00:09:05,153 REPORTER: These manipulated images 122 00:09:05,283 --> 00:09:07,764 can pose a very real national security threat - 123 00:09:07,895 --> 00:09:10,854 Fake videos could become a real and present danger 124 00:09:10,985 --> 00:09:12,769 to our democracy, Dana. 125 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,729 REPORTER: This is a threat they believe could impact the election. 126 00:09:16,164 --> 00:09:19,646 But the most pressing daily threat of deepfakes isn't politics... 127 00:09:21,212 --> 00:09:22,474 It's porn. 128 00:09:23,345 --> 00:09:25,565 Right now, it is a violence against women issue 129 00:09:25,695 --> 00:09:29,917 and it has been since they entered the public sphere in late 2018. 130 00:09:32,528 --> 00:09:35,444 Teachers, social workers, 131 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:38,839 nurses, moms, teenagers. 132 00:09:39,666 --> 00:09:42,756 Once these images are online, they never truly go away. 133 00:09:43,452 --> 00:09:46,107 They're out there and there is no getting them back. 134 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:58,162 AUTOMATED VOICE: May 22, 2020. 135 00:09:59,163 --> 00:10:01,035 POLICE OFFICER: 136 00:10:01,165 --> 00:10:03,515 TAYLOR: 137 00:10:13,438 --> 00:10:14,962 [computer typing] 138 00:10:16,790 --> 00:10:20,271 POLICE OFFICER: 139 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:22,665 TAYLOR: 140 00:10:22,796 --> 00:10:24,536 POLICE OFFICER: 141 00:10:38,942 --> 00:10:40,683 [bleep] 142 00:10:41,902 --> 00:10:44,513 JAMIE: 143 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,820 POLICE OFFICER: 144 00:10:47,429 --> 00:10:48,735 JAMIE: 145 00:10:49,605 --> 00:10:50,650 [phone hangs up] 146 00:10:52,390 --> 00:10:55,611 [ambient music playing] 147 00:11:05,403 --> 00:11:08,232 TAYLOR: In those first couple of days, I was very paranoid. 148 00:11:13,020 --> 00:11:15,109 It was just constant worrying about, like, 149 00:11:15,239 --> 00:11:17,546 are more people that I know going to see this. 150 00:11:19,504 --> 00:11:21,463 Are they going to see this type of stuff on like, 151 00:11:21,593 --> 00:11:22,682 background checks? 152 00:11:24,422 --> 00:11:28,165 It kind of, like, consumed what I did. 153 00:11:34,737 --> 00:11:37,174 I was really worried to tell my parents 154 00:11:37,305 --> 00:11:40,917 because I thought that they wouldn't really understand 155 00:11:41,091 --> 00:11:44,442 what had happened, and maybe in a way think that it was... 156 00:11:44,834 --> 00:11:46,618 Um... my fault. 157 00:11:50,013 --> 00:11:55,062 I was just in tears and... just incredibly upset. 158 00:11:56,367 --> 00:11:59,457 [ambient music playing] 159 00:12:07,074 --> 00:12:08,771 I was just terrified that there was someone out there 160 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:10,251 who wanted to do this to me. 161 00:12:15,909 --> 00:12:18,128 I didn't know what their motives were, 162 00:12:18,259 --> 00:12:22,263 I didn't know if their intent was then to cause me physical harm. 163 00:12:23,177 --> 00:12:26,833 It was this feeling of like, I'm not safe anywhere. 164 00:12:28,486 --> 00:12:33,056 [footsteps] 165 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:36,581 TAYLOR: 166 00:12:36,712 --> 00:12:37,539 JAMIE: 167 00:12:37,669 --> 00:12:41,891 TAYLOR: 168 00:12:46,548 --> 00:12:49,333 TAYLOR: I think it's really important for me to stay anonymous 169 00:12:49,464 --> 00:12:52,467 because I don't want this to follow me throughout my life. 170 00:12:58,299 --> 00:12:59,169 So... 171 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:00,692 my name isn't really Taylor, 172 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,130 and CTech isn't a real college. 173 00:13:06,046 --> 00:13:08,091 All of this footage is of me, 174 00:13:09,397 --> 00:13:12,617 but the face you're watching right now isn't actually my face. 175 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:17,405 It's an actor's face deepfaked over mine. 176 00:13:19,450 --> 00:13:22,889 This is the only way I would ever feel safe to tell my story. 177 00:13:26,501 --> 00:13:30,331 [dramatic music playing] 178 00:13:39,122 --> 00:13:41,298 TAYLOR: God. We're basically playing phone tag 179 00:13:41,429 --> 00:13:43,126 with the police for a couple of weeks. 180 00:13:46,042 --> 00:13:48,088 The detective that got assigned to the case 181 00:13:48,218 --> 00:13:49,393 finally called me. 182 00:13:49,741 --> 00:13:52,092 and I had to explain the entire thing again. 183 00:13:52,222 --> 00:13:55,269 So they said, "Someone put porn of you online?" 184 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,750 And I was like, "No, someone put my face on porn online." 185 00:13:58,968 --> 00:14:02,058 And they seemed really confused as to why that's wrong. 186 00:14:05,932 --> 00:14:07,890 The detective was saying weird things to me, like, 187 00:14:08,021 --> 00:14:10,023 "โ€œOh, well, I need to look closely at these videos 188 00:14:10,153 --> 00:14:11,633 to make sure that it's you." 189 00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:13,243 And, "I'm really going to have to examine this."โ€ 190 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:21,861 He asked: "โ€œWhat have you done to cause someone to do this to you?"โ€ 191 00:14:23,384 --> 00:14:25,952 [dramatic music playing] 192 00:14:29,825 --> 00:14:31,087 After a couple of weeks, 193 00:14:31,218 --> 00:14:33,916 I had called him again and he said that: 194 00:14:34,047 --> 00:14:36,179 "โ€œIt's disgusting what happened, 195 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:38,181 but the person had a right to do it." 196 00:14:38,312 --> 00:14:39,617 Like, they didn't break any laws, 197 00:14:39,748 --> 00:14:41,315 so they had a right to do that. 198 00:14:47,538 --> 00:14:48,888 [computer beeps] 199 00:14:51,586 --> 00:14:52,979 JAMIE: OK, it is now recording. 200 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:54,371 TAYLOR: All right it'โ€™s recording. 201 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:57,026 JAMIE: Hopefully... TAYLOR: My head'โ€™s in the center. 202 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:58,985 [typing] 203 00:15:02,118 --> 00:15:03,467 [computer clicks] 204 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,608 TAYLOR: Hi, Adam 205 00:15:13,869 --> 00:15:15,305 ADAM: Hi, Taylor. TAYLOR: Do you have a... 206 00:15:15,436 --> 00:15:17,220 pseudonym that I should use or... 207 00:15:17,351 --> 00:15:20,049 ADAM: So nice of you to ask. No, you can just call me Adam. It's fine. 208 00:15:20,658 --> 00:15:21,790 TAYLOR: I feel like I'โ€™m very nervous about, 209 00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:23,748 talking about, like, my experience. 210 00:15:24,271 --> 00:15:25,794 Because I called the state police, 211 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,143 and they basically told me, 212 00:15:27,274 --> 00:15:28,971 you know, "We can't do anything for you. 213 00:15:29,102 --> 00:15:30,668 We're not going to do anything for you." 214 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,758 ADAM: I'm not surprised, but I'm sorry to hear that's happened. 215 00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:38,198 So, there are no deepfake laws in your state. 216 00:15:38,328 --> 00:15:39,373 Um... 217 00:15:39,503 --> 00:15:41,331 There are a couple in other states, 218 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:45,248 and there'โ€™s no federal law as it exists today. 219 00:15:45,379 --> 00:15:48,077 I trained 500 judges last year on deepfakes, 220 00:15:48,295 --> 00:15:52,690 and I would say in excess of 90% of them had never heard of a deepfake before. 221 00:15:52,908 --> 00:15:53,865 TAYLOR: Yeah. 222 00:15:54,518 --> 00:15:57,565 ADAM: With respect to non-consensual pornography laws, 223 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,309 deepfakes typically don't fall within the parameters of those laws, 224 00:16:02,439 --> 00:16:06,443 because it's not the victim's body. 225 00:16:06,748 --> 00:16:09,142 That's why we typically look for other ways, 226 00:16:09,272 --> 00:16:10,447 false impersonation 227 00:16:10,578 --> 00:16:12,319 or credible impersonation. 228 00:16:12,449 --> 00:16:15,061 Now, the reality is it's very easy to anonymize yourself online. 229 00:16:15,191 --> 00:16:16,323 TAYLOR: Yeah. 230 00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:19,804 And... usually the investigations I see 231 00:16:19,935 --> 00:16:22,242 where they are able to catch somebody is they - 232 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:26,289 there's like a second where they didn't have their VPN on. 233 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:29,901 And that is the tiny hole in that anonymous shield 234 00:16:30,032 --> 00:16:34,210 that they're able to get through it and prove who that person is. 235 00:16:35,559 --> 00:16:37,953 [dramatic music playing] 236 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:57,625 TAYLOR: I want to find out who did this 237 00:16:57,755 --> 00:16:59,540 because I want to know why. 238 00:17:02,412 --> 00:17:04,240 I want to know what was going through their head 239 00:17:04,371 --> 00:17:06,025 when they decided to do this. 240 00:17:09,158 --> 00:17:11,465 Clearly this person wanted to emphasize 241 00:17:11,595 --> 00:17:12,988 where I went to school. 242 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,083 One of my big concerns is if they go to CTech, 243 00:17:21,214 --> 00:17:24,913 because I'm going back to start my Masters in the fall. 244 00:17:25,044 --> 00:17:27,220 I don't want to be on the same campus 245 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:29,222 as the person who did this to me 246 00:17:29,352 --> 00:17:31,398 but I have no idea who they are. 247 00:17:36,403 --> 00:17:38,753 [cat purring] 248 00:17:38,883 --> 00:17:40,407 [whispers] Good girl. 249 00:17:42,626 --> 00:17:46,500 [dramatic music playing] 250 00:18:02,646 --> 00:18:04,996 OK, so I only have like 5 minutes to make this 251 00:18:05,127 --> 00:18:07,303 because I have to go to work. 252 00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:10,393 My boyfriend found another 253 00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:12,743 video that the person had uploaded, 254 00:18:12,874 --> 00:18:19,794 so they uploaded a new video, same profile, same shit. 255 00:18:19,924 --> 00:18:22,362 Like, really? Like you're not done yet. 256 00:18:22,492 --> 00:18:24,538 You're not like, are you not satisfied 257 00:18:24,712 --> 00:18:26,801 with everything that you've done so far? 258 00:18:27,323 --> 00:18:29,151 I'm annoyed that the police aren't taking care of this. 259 00:18:29,325 --> 00:18:31,240 I'm annoyed that I have to be the one 260 00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:33,851 to find the evidence and find, like 261 00:18:33,982 --> 00:18:36,550 Like I should not be doing their jobs for them. 262 00:18:36,811 --> 00:18:38,682 So it's just. It's just really annoying. 263 00:18:38,813 --> 00:18:40,293 It's very frustrating. 264 00:18:41,903 --> 00:18:45,689 [dramatic music playing] 265 00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:52,653 VOICES: So often they told victims, 266 00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:57,353 just turn your computer off, ignore it, it'll go away. 267 00:18:57,788 --> 00:19:00,226 Not only are these women powerless to do anything about it, 268 00:19:00,617 --> 00:19:04,534 but the law protects the websites distributing these videos. 269 00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:06,754 Tech companies, for the last 20 years, 270 00:19:06,884 --> 00:19:12,325 have had a spectacular gift of shield from liability. 271 00:19:12,455 --> 00:19:14,892 It's called Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. 272 00:19:15,806 --> 00:19:18,505 It's the law that allows sites to be hosted 273 00:19:18,635 --> 00:19:20,159 in the United States 274 00:19:20,289 --> 00:19:22,900 that absolves them of any responsibility. 275 00:19:23,597 --> 00:19:25,903 The tech industry profits from it. They do. 276 00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:27,949 They profit from the most outrageous, 277 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,298 the most salacious... 278 00:19:29,429 --> 00:19:31,866 This stuff is good for business. 279 00:19:44,966 --> 00:19:46,010 [notification dings] 280 00:19:47,316 --> 00:19:48,317 [notification dings] 281 00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:04,638 [notification dings] 282 00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:12,428 TAYLOR: OK so really, all I have to say right now is holy fuck. 283 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:15,214 About 20 minutes ago I found out that 284 00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:17,651 I know the other girl who this is happening to. 285 00:20:17,912 --> 00:20:19,783 I lived with her freshman year of college 286 00:20:19,914 --> 00:20:22,177 like we used to be friends. We know the same people. 287 00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:23,874 We've pissed off, the same people. 288 00:20:24,005 --> 00:20:26,399 I just don't even know how to feel right now. It's... 289 00:20:27,051 --> 00:20:29,315 Obviously I'm pissed. Like, I'm very angry. 290 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:31,665 I feel horrible that this is also happening to her, 291 00:20:31,795 --> 00:20:33,319 because I know how it's affected me. 292 00:20:33,449 --> 00:20:35,712 So I can only imagine how it's also affected her. 293 00:20:35,886 --> 00:20:36,931 I don't know what to do right now. 294 00:20:37,061 --> 00:20:37,975 This is crazy. 295 00:20:38,193 --> 00:20:39,107 Um... 296 00:20:39,629 --> 00:20:40,717 But yeah. Holy fuck. 297 00:20:40,848 --> 00:20:42,371 This is - This is really fucked up. 298 00:20:54,383 --> 00:20:56,690 [phone ringing] 299 00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:02,565 TAYLOR: Hey, Julia. 300 00:21:02,696 --> 00:21:03,827 JULIA: Hi, what'โ€™ up? 301 00:21:03,958 --> 00:21:06,134 TAYLOR: How'โ€™s it, how are you doing? 302 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:07,875 JULIA: Good. How are you? 303 00:21:08,005 --> 00:21:09,703 TAYLOR: I'm good. I'm good. 304 00:21:09,833 --> 00:21:13,010 This is definitely a weird situation that we're in. 305 00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:15,535 JULIA: Yeah. TAYLOR: I mean, like 306 00:21:15,665 --> 00:21:18,364 I don't know what information like you have already, 307 00:21:18,538 --> 00:21:21,018 but I called the police, they haven't really done anything, 308 00:21:21,149 --> 00:21:24,021 so I'm just trying to get as much information as I can. 309 00:21:24,195 --> 00:21:26,023 JULIA: My name is Julia in this film, 310 00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:28,112 but that's not my real name. 311 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:33,901 I am a student and I went to school with Taylor. 312 00:21:38,253 --> 00:21:41,778 JULIA: At first I started receiving a bunch of Snapchat notifications 313 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:43,780 from people adding me... 314 00:21:44,259 --> 00:21:47,828 And then finally I like accepted one of the friend requests 315 00:21:47,958 --> 00:21:50,309 and I was like, "Hey, where did you add me from?" 316 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:54,269 And he was like, "โ€œOh, someone posted your Snapchat on 4chan."โ€ 317 00:22:04,192 --> 00:22:05,802 TAYLOR: We couldn't find anything on 4chan, 318 00:22:05,933 --> 00:22:07,891 but I also didn't know how 4chan works, 319 00:22:08,022 --> 00:22:10,024 so I had to have my boyfriend explain it to me. 320 00:22:10,198 --> 00:22:12,809 JULIA: So 4chan is an online forum 321 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:15,246 where people can post anonymously, 322 00:22:15,377 --> 00:22:18,032 and it can be very hard to track their identities. 323 00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:32,351 Sometimes photos can be used kind of as currency on these forums. 324 00:22:36,703 --> 00:22:38,357 So on 4chan there's threads 325 00:22:38,487 --> 00:22:42,752 and a really common one is to post, like, for a specific state. 326 00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:45,538 So like mine was I think under the Connecticut one 327 00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:47,801 and people were requesting pictures of me, 328 00:22:47,931 --> 00:22:50,281 like they were asking for me by name. TAYLOR: Oh my God 329 00:22:50,412 --> 00:22:51,935 JULIA: It was just like, it's super creepy. 330 00:22:52,066 --> 00:22:53,720 TAYLOR: I'm so sorry this is happening to you. 331 00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:56,113 This is horrible. I know how I'm feeling through this. 332 00:22:56,244 --> 00:22:59,682 So, like, it's just, this is... This is fucked that someone's doing this. 333 00:22:59,856 --> 00:23:01,380 JULIA: Yeah. 334 00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:03,512 I'm just more mad that they, like, put my name out there 335 00:23:03,643 --> 00:23:06,559 because I think, Kevin said, your whole name was out there too. 336 00:23:06,689 --> 00:23:09,344 TAYLOR: Oh, yeah. My name, CTech. My hometown. 337 00:23:09,475 --> 00:23:10,519 Like everything. 338 00:23:10,650 --> 00:23:12,216 JULIA: Yeah, my hometown was there, too. 339 00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:14,436 It's like they're slowly doxxing us. 340 00:23:17,004 --> 00:23:18,875 JULIA: A lot of people will like doxx other people, 341 00:23:19,006 --> 00:23:21,312 so they'll share like their private information, 342 00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:23,663 their address, their credit card information, 343 00:23:23,793 --> 00:23:26,230 their phone number, locations of family members. 344 00:23:30,278 --> 00:23:32,715 There is this mob mentality. 345 00:23:32,846 --> 00:23:34,674 Thousands of people at one time 346 00:23:34,804 --> 00:23:38,068 can just be focused on harassing a single person. 347 00:23:42,246 --> 00:23:44,292 JULIA: For me, it was probably like Mike or Alex, 348 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:45,989 if it was someone from our floor. 349 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,817 TAYLOR: Yeah, I thought... 350 00:23:47,948 --> 00:23:49,863 JULIA: You had problems with Alex right? Like serious problems? 351 00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:51,865 TAYLOR: Oh, no, I definitely had problems with Alex. 352 00:23:51,995 --> 00:23:54,084 I don't know if... at the end of, like, freshman year, 353 00:23:54,215 --> 00:23:55,259 he basically just like... 354 00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:59,394 went off on me and then has been trying to contact me since. 355 00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:02,223 JULIA: Well, last I heard of him, he wasn't doing too hot. 356 00:24:02,832 --> 00:24:06,053 TAYLOR: Mike was so quiet like freshman year and not... 357 00:24:06,183 --> 00:24:08,664 JULIA: Yeah well I was like friends with him for really like, 358 00:24:08,795 --> 00:24:11,014 two years and I had no problems with him. 359 00:24:11,145 --> 00:24:12,451 And then all of a sudden... 360 00:24:12,581 --> 00:24:14,017 TAYLOR: I - Same thing. 361 00:24:14,148 --> 00:24:16,106 JULIA: He even deleted me off of, like, video games. 362 00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:19,327 Like, off my video game, friend list. He was just done. 363 00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,416 TAYLOR: He like, did not... JULIA: Why is everyone going insane? 364 00:24:21,547 --> 00:24:23,244 TAYLOR: I don'โ€™t know! What is it about - 365 00:24:23,374 --> 00:24:24,811 JULIA: That's three now. 366 00:24:25,115 --> 00:24:27,814 TAYLOR: Wait, who else went insane? Mike, Alex... Yeah, Bobby. 367 00:24:27,944 --> 00:24:29,946 Holy shit, what happened to Bobby? 368 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:33,733 I assume you've seen the things he's saying to girls now on Twitter. 369 00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:36,649 TAYLOR: Oh, my God. I opened his Twitter when I was at work 370 00:24:36,779 --> 00:24:38,346 and then I was like, oh my God, I feel like 371 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,609 I shouldn't be looking at this on like company Wi-Fi. 372 00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:42,611 It's just really weird. I don't know. 373 00:24:42,742 --> 00:24:44,439 Bobby was quiet, too. It's all the quiet ones. 374 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:47,486 Yeah. Engineering is going to do it to you. 375 00:24:50,010 --> 00:24:54,971 [energetic music playing] 376 00:25:01,848 --> 00:25:04,111 MAN: What'โ€™s good, bro? 377 00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:08,507 [professor lecturing] 378 00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,687 TAYLOR: Julia and I actually both lived 379 00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:16,776 on the engineering floor together in college. 380 00:25:19,343 --> 00:25:23,391 I lived with seven other guys in our dorm freshman year. 381 00:25:24,261 --> 00:25:29,136 We weren't like stereotypical college kids. 382 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:31,051 You know how on like college floors 383 00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:33,619 they always have like a bag of condoms? 384 00:25:34,750 --> 00:25:36,796 Well, we got ours taken away from us 385 00:25:36,926 --> 00:25:39,363 because we were throwing them like ninja stars. 386 00:25:39,842 --> 00:25:41,931 MAN: You messed up. You'โ€™re a failure at life. 387 00:25:42,410 --> 00:25:45,805 JULIA: The engineering floor was one of the less party places, 388 00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:47,241 believe it or not. 389 00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:50,636 TAYLOR: In my class, 390 00:25:50,984 --> 00:25:54,204 there were probably two women to roughly 50 men. 391 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:56,119 MAN: She'โ€™s so much hotter than you. 392 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:57,773 You could have got with Mackenzie 393 00:25:57,904 --> 00:25:59,514 and grind up all on that ass. 394 00:26:01,298 --> 00:26:04,040 TAYLOR: There have been guys in my class who have acted 395 00:26:04,171 --> 00:26:05,955 very creepy towards me. 396 00:26:06,956 --> 00:26:10,090 People would like, heckle me at meetings. 397 00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:12,614 [male voices] 398 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:16,139 TAYLOR: There was a lot more jokes about porn. 399 00:26:16,270 --> 00:26:18,707 There was a lot more jokes about women. 400 00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:22,276 That was just more generally accepted. 401 00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,060 [male voices yelling] 402 00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:26,889 JULIA: As a woman you're just kind of like expected 403 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:30,197 to take this harassment because this is just how the world is. 404 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:49,259 TAYLOR: So we whittled down the suspects to two people 405 00:26:49,390 --> 00:26:52,828 based on who we both knew, 406 00:26:52,959 --> 00:26:56,266 and also who would know about this technology 407 00:26:56,397 --> 00:26:58,573 and this application of this technology. 408 00:27:00,096 --> 00:27:02,098 [dramatic music playing] 409 00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:10,890 TAYLOR: There was a guy freshman year 410 00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:14,676 who lived with me, Mike, who I was really close to, 411 00:27:16,722 --> 00:27:19,899 but we hadn't spoken in about a year. 412 00:27:22,423 --> 00:27:24,120 We always made the joke that like, 413 00:27:24,251 --> 00:27:26,732 Mike and I like made one full engineer 414 00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:28,734 because he was like a software guy, 415 00:27:28,864 --> 00:27:30,866 I was a hardware person and we were like, 416 00:27:30,997 --> 00:27:33,564 OK, together we have like one full brain. 417 00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:40,223 TAYLOR: He was like the most adorable person. 418 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,617 You know, he made me laugh. 419 00:27:43,139 --> 00:27:46,012 And he really made me feel like at home at college. 420 00:27:48,754 --> 00:27:51,452 JULIA: I have a lot of fond memories of hanging out with him. 421 00:27:51,626 --> 00:27:53,541 I would like let him lay his head in my lap 422 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:56,718 just because like we were just very close friends. 423 00:27:56,936 --> 00:27:58,546 [laughter] 424 00:27:58,677 --> 00:27:59,895 I don'โ€™t know... 425 00:28:01,201 --> 00:28:04,160 It kind of stinks how everything went down. 426 00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:09,600 TAYLOR: It was just a really good friendship until it wasn't. 427 00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:16,869 He basically tried to make me his personal therapist, 428 00:28:16,999 --> 00:28:19,088 and I just couldn't handle it anymore. 429 00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:21,395 JULIA: Yeah, that's what happened with me, too. 430 00:28:21,569 --> 00:28:25,486 TAYLOR: And what's weird is he didn't do that to any of the guys. 431 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:29,751 JULIA: Yeah, and I was having a lot of issues on my own at the same time 432 00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:32,798 And he, like, never wanted to listen to what was going on with me. 433 00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:34,582 He just wanted to talk about his issues. 434 00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:38,020 TAYLOR: Yeah, he did he did the same - 435 00:28:38,151 --> 00:28:39,195 same thing to me. 436 00:28:46,463 --> 00:28:49,075 TAYLOR: OK, so I'm on campus right now. 437 00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:52,295 I guess it's been a while since I've done a video diary. 438 00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:56,082 Grad school's nuts. 439 00:28:56,517 --> 00:28:59,302 Engineering school is a rough time. 440 00:29:00,651 --> 00:29:03,437 [birds chirping] 441 00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:06,788 TAYLOR: Being back on campus, 442 00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:08,224 I've noticed that I'm a little 443 00:29:08,355 --> 00:29:09,965 bit quieter than I used to be. 444 00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:11,837 [footsteps on leaves] 445 00:29:12,098 --> 00:29:14,187 I just kind of keep to myself, 446 00:29:14,317 --> 00:29:17,059 mostly because I don't know who's seen the videos 447 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:20,062 and I don't know who could potentially be involved in it. 448 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:22,543 [footsteps] 449 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:28,897 You know, there's this big secret in my life 450 00:29:29,028 --> 00:29:33,380 that I don't really feel comfortable telling people about. 451 00:29:34,468 --> 00:29:38,428 I think it's kind of caused me to become a bit more cut off 452 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,387 from all of my friends. 453 00:29:42,693 --> 00:29:44,783 VIDEO GAME: Enemy spotted. 454 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,526 JULIA: People are just like, "oh my God, gamer girls!" 455 00:29:49,657 --> 00:29:53,182 or half the time, they expect you to just be terrible because you're a girl. 456 00:29:55,054 --> 00:29:57,056 VIDEO GAME: One enemy remaining. 457 00:29:57,404 --> 00:30:00,015 JULIA: I would love to become a streamer. 458 00:30:00,973 --> 00:30:03,279 My dream would be to have a bunch of other girls 459 00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:05,542 that I stream with regularly. 460 00:30:06,282 --> 00:30:08,284 VIDEO GAME: Last player standing. 461 00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:12,636 JULIA: There's some games, you literally just open up your comms and say "Hi." 462 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,943 They'll be like, "Fuck you, go kill yourself." 463 00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:17,990 "Oh, is that a girl? Like, go make me a sandwich." 464 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,687 [gun shot] 465 00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:23,343 Oh, I just got head shot because I was adjusting my volume! 466 00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:29,915 So one of the people we thought could've been involved, Bobby, 467 00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:36,269 has been actually like posting images of my freshman year roommate. 468 00:30:37,966 --> 00:30:39,838 There's a specific picture he has, 469 00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:41,622 I think he took it off of her Facebook, 470 00:30:41,752 --> 00:30:43,537 of like her holding a bunny. 471 00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:48,803 And he just keeps posting that picture cropped in different ways 472 00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:52,981 and like he's been kind of creepy toward a lot of girls that we don't even know. 473 00:30:53,112 --> 00:30:57,116 But we've seen his Twitter activity... 474 00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:59,422 We don't really know what's going on with him. 475 00:31:00,989 --> 00:31:04,384 [moody music playing] 476 00:31:09,998 --> 00:31:12,653 TAYLOR: Bobby was displaying some really odd behavior 477 00:31:12,783 --> 00:31:16,265 at the time that Julia and I found out we were both targeted. 478 00:31:17,484 --> 00:31:21,357 Just so out of character from the person that we knew freshman year. 479 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:29,539 JULIA: He was posting really, really long stories of like Hentai, 480 00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:33,587 which is like Japanese animated porn. 481 00:31:34,066 --> 00:31:38,244 And then stories where he's just running in the middle of the road at night 482 00:31:38,374 --> 00:31:40,768 or like he'll say he just got hit by a car. 483 00:31:42,117 --> 00:31:46,469 TAYLOR: He was posting almost cult-like things on his social media, 484 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,170 making it seem like he was in some video game world. 485 00:31:53,607 --> 00:31:57,959 JULIA: Some sort of like apocalyptic god storyline. 486 00:32:03,182 --> 00:32:07,708 Talking about like "you mortals," and like talking down to humans. 487 00:32:12,669 --> 00:32:16,021 But he would mix it in with, like, talking about golden showers... 488 00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:23,245 On his regular Instagram and on Facebook, like things his family can see. 489 00:32:26,901 --> 00:32:28,468 TAYLOR: It was clear from his posts 490 00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:33,560 that he was very much in this like Internet culture. 491 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:35,257 [footsteps] 492 00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:40,871 TAYLOR: If it is Bobby, the police need to do something about it. Now. 493 00:32:41,002 --> 00:32:42,656 JULIA: Yeah, he's unstable. 494 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:46,312 [heavy breathing] 495 00:33:02,197 --> 00:33:04,156 [Taylor groans] 496 00:33:21,477 --> 00:33:27,048 TAYLOR: Hey, so I guess just an update of what's been going on recently. 497 00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:32,445 I spoke to a state police officer yesterday and... 498 00:33:33,924 --> 00:33:37,885 The problem is that they're... 499 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,408 ...sorry... 500 00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:49,462 The problem is, whoever did this used a VPN for everything. 501 00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:52,943 So the state cop basically told me that 502 00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:55,816 they really can't figure out who did it- 503 00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,731 or not that they can't figure it out, 504 00:33:57,905 --> 00:34:00,821 but that they haven't been able to figure it out so far. 505 00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:04,216 If this person really was smart enough 506 00:34:04,346 --> 00:34:06,348 to use a VPN for everything and didn't slip up 507 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:10,439 and accidentally log in from their own IP address, 508 00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:11,962 Um... 509 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,269 Then I'm not I'm not going to find out who did this, 510 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,272 and I'll likely never know. 511 00:34:18,273 --> 00:34:19,187 Um... 512 00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:22,538 And at that point, the best thing that I could hope for is that 513 00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:25,367 the videos just get taken down and the person doesn't do this again. 514 00:34:25,541 --> 00:34:28,022 You know, I would love to have that story of like, 515 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:31,721 you figure out who did it and you bring them to justice 516 00:34:31,852 --> 00:34:34,550 and you take them to court, and you make sure 517 00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:37,118 that they never are able to do this again. 518 00:34:37,249 --> 00:34:42,123 But sometimes it just doesn't work out like that, sometimes- 519 00:34:42,297 --> 00:34:44,604 sometimes the bad guys actually win. 520 00:34:49,261 --> 00:34:50,392 Yeah. 521 00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:52,525 Cool. 522 00:34:55,528 --> 00:34:58,922 I'm sorry this didn't really have a conclusion, but thanks. 523 00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:09,324 [ambient music playing] 524 00:35:21,162 --> 00:35:24,034 TAYLOR: So a new video was uploaded of me. 525 00:35:25,645 --> 00:35:27,473 It was really, really bad. 526 00:35:36,003 --> 00:35:37,570 I'm worried. 527 00:35:38,397 --> 00:35:40,660 Knowing that the perpetrator is still active... 528 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,881 I'm worried that they're going to do something more drastic. 529 00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:49,190 I'm worried all the time. 530 00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,629 [fire roaring] 531 00:35:54,195 --> 00:35:57,720 I deal with a lot of anxiety and a lot of OCD. 532 00:35:57,851 --> 00:36:01,028 And the anxiety is really bad, especially now. 533 00:36:01,724 --> 00:36:05,032 With the deepfakes, I feel like I'm not in control anymore. 534 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,948 And because I feel like I'm not in control 535 00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:10,211 in that one area of my life, 536 00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:14,346 it's causing me to feel out of control in other areas of my life. 537 00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:18,263 I should, let me say that again, 538 00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:21,222 because I think it's important for people to know. 539 00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:26,184 I have always worried about things that don't make sense. 540 00:36:26,314 --> 00:36:27,881 [wind gusting] 541 00:36:28,011 --> 00:36:32,277 I feel the compulsion to like, know how others perceive me 542 00:36:32,451 --> 00:36:35,018 and I need that to be in a positive way. 543 00:36:35,149 --> 00:36:38,239 That's just how my brain works, is like... I'm a people pleaser. 544 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:39,675 I need... I want... 545 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:42,025 I never want people to perceive me in a way 546 00:36:42,156 --> 00:36:45,115 that's not like professional and not good. 547 00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:50,251 And I feel like what these videos did is just like, destroy that. 548 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,215 My OCD generally manifests itself into, like... I... 549 00:36:57,345 --> 00:36:58,694 I check things a lot. 550 00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:03,569 I check... I check to see if, like, the door is locked. 551 00:37:03,699 --> 00:37:05,179 I check to see if my car is locked. 552 00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:06,528 I check that things are off... 553 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:07,660 Um... 554 00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:09,836 and I - I repeatedly check them. 555 00:37:11,141 --> 00:37:12,186 And it's... it's... 556 00:37:12,317 --> 00:37:13,970 It's kind of like a broken record. 557 00:37:14,101 --> 00:37:15,233 [water gushing] 558 00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:16,234 [fire roaring] 559 00:37:16,364 --> 00:37:18,018 [objects crashing] 560 00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:25,504 It just can get like, all consuming, where I will worry for hours. 561 00:37:25,634 --> 00:37:29,682 about something I've said, or worry for hours about if something's locked. 562 00:37:29,856 --> 00:37:32,511 or if something's going to catch fire or something like, 563 00:37:32,815 --> 00:37:37,255 you know, little things that just will consume my mind. 564 00:37:38,168 --> 00:37:39,474 [objects crashing] 565 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,478 [ambient music playing] 566 00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:49,136 So, I'm just... I'm angry. 567 00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:55,273 I am done sitting around and waiting. 568 00:37:58,928 --> 00:38:02,889 You can't just do this and then move on with your life 569 00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:06,936 and prevent me from moving on with my life. 570 00:38:09,025 --> 00:38:12,681 [ambient music playing] 571 00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:34,703 TAYLOR: How are you? 572 00:38:34,834 --> 00:38:36,139 JULIA: Am I rotated? 573 00:38:36,314 --> 00:38:37,750 TAYLOR: Yeah. 574 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,882 JULIA: One second. Sorry. I have the rotate lock on. 575 00:38:41,057 --> 00:38:42,450 OK. Yeah, there we go. 576 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,671 TAYLOR: I spoke to a lawyer the other day 577 00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:48,456 and he told me to get screenshots of anything 578 00:38:48,587 --> 00:38:50,502 that looks like evidence. 579 00:38:50,676 --> 00:38:51,720 JULIA: Mhm... 580 00:38:51,851 --> 00:38:54,070 TAYLOR: I've never been on 4chan before, 581 00:38:54,201 --> 00:38:57,639 so I would not know what to look at or how to search it. 582 00:38:58,118 --> 00:39:01,861 Kevin, do you remember what the 4chan archive was that we used? 583 00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:06,866 JULIA: It's just called 4chan search dot com. 584 00:39:24,666 --> 00:39:25,841 TAYLOR: Oh, gosh. 585 00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:28,191 Oh, no. That's not what I meant to search. 586 00:39:31,804 --> 00:39:33,109 What the fuck? 587 00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:39,115 So it looks like what this thread is, is people editing... 588 00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:42,292 ...cum onto people's faces. 589 00:39:43,816 --> 00:39:45,034 That's a new one. 590 00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:56,219 TAYLOR: Oh God, I do not enjoy searching for this kind of stuff. 591 00:39:56,611 --> 00:39:57,743 JULIA: Yeah... 592 00:39:57,873 --> 00:39:59,484 This is not pleasant. 593 00:40:07,927 --> 00:40:10,712 TAYLOR: That's the thing with trying to do this type of stuff, 594 00:40:10,843 --> 00:40:12,540 you come across stuff that you don't... 595 00:40:12,671 --> 00:40:14,107 JULIA: Wait... 596 00:40:14,368 --> 00:40:16,283 I found it. 597 00:40:16,501 --> 00:40:18,154 TAYLOR: Like the picture? 598 00:40:18,372 --> 00:40:20,156 JULIA: Like the deepfake. 599 00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:26,685 Have you ever heard Mike or Bobby use the word chick? 600 00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:29,731 TAYLOR: No, never. 601 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:34,997 Someone asked where do you find the footage to do these? 602 00:40:35,128 --> 00:40:37,913 Then someone said, just scrape their Facebook and Instagram, 603 00:40:38,044 --> 00:40:39,306 you need like 150 images. 604 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,351 JULIA: Yeah, I saw that. 605 00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:42,918 I'll take screenshots of that. 606 00:40:43,049 --> 00:40:44,006 JULIA: OK. 607 00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:49,011 Further down in the thread of my deepfake 608 00:40:49,142 --> 00:40:52,406 is the same like video that like my face is on. 609 00:40:52,537 --> 00:40:55,496 The name of the file is called Sadie. 610 00:40:56,802 --> 00:40:58,630 Which was one of Mike's friends. 611 00:40:59,108 --> 00:41:00,370 But I don't remember... 612 00:41:00,675 --> 00:41:01,894 TAYLOR: Oh, that girl. 613 00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:04,070 Yeah, I know who you're talking about. 614 00:41:04,244 --> 00:41:08,422 I don't know if I'd be able to say definitively if it's Sadie or not. 615 00:41:09,031 --> 00:41:11,817 My boyfriend just showed me a picture of Sadie's face 616 00:41:11,947 --> 00:41:15,168 for comparison, which I thought she had lighter hair, 617 00:41:15,298 --> 00:41:18,301 so that could actually be her. 618 00:41:18,432 --> 00:41:22,480 JULIA: There seems to be like a request from "Krelish." 619 00:41:22,784 --> 00:41:25,265 Like, this person actually has like a username. 620 00:41:28,268 --> 00:41:32,098 TAYLOR: It says "Hi you horny anons. 621 00:41:32,228 --> 00:41:35,057 Krelish is here with a new cumshop request thread, 622 00:41:35,188 --> 00:41:37,146 in exchange I want some of you anons 623 00:41:37,277 --> 00:41:39,671 to fake girls of mine." 624 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:48,201 TAYLOR: Wait. I know her. Yeah, I know her. 625 00:41:48,331 --> 00:41:49,289 JULIA: Who? 626 00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:50,986 TAYLOR: She went to our school. 627 00:41:53,336 --> 00:41:55,948 So I should probably send her a message. 628 00:41:57,602 --> 00:41:59,081 JULIA: I found Vanessa. TAYLOR: Where? 629 00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:01,649 JULIA: Here. Let me share. TAYLOR: Where's Vanessa? 630 00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:04,086 JULIA: See look, this is definitely her. 631 00:42:04,217 --> 00:42:05,697 TAYLOR: That's for sure Vanessa. 632 00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:07,176 JULIA: And there's Nina. 633 00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:10,353 TAYLOR: Oh, God. Which one was she? 634 00:42:10,484 --> 00:42:12,530 Wait, there's a second one of Nina. 635 00:42:12,704 --> 00:42:13,661 Further down. 636 00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:15,445 Am I showing my screen? 637 00:42:15,576 --> 00:42:17,056 TAYLOR: Yeah. 638 00:42:17,186 --> 00:42:20,276 JULIA: Is it possible that this Krelish is his username? 639 00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:22,975 Because it seems like he's posting most of these pictures. 640 00:42:25,847 --> 00:42:27,240 There's three pictures of Nina. 641 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:28,458 This one's Nina too. 642 00:42:28,589 --> 00:42:30,765 [computer error sound] 643 00:42:30,896 --> 00:42:32,854 Oh, my God. What is this sound? 644 00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,465 TAYLOR: Oh, my God. That's Sadie. That's Sadie. 645 00:42:35,596 --> 00:42:37,250 That's... that's Mike's friend. 646 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:38,207 JULIA: Where? Where? 647 00:42:38,338 --> 00:42:39,731 TAYLOR: Go - It's Krelish. 648 00:42:39,861 --> 00:42:41,907 Go down, about halfway down the page. 649 00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:43,778 That's her. That is - That's her. 650 00:42:44,866 --> 00:42:47,434 JULIA: Can you like... TAYLOR: And that's her again. 651 00:42:47,869 --> 00:42:49,871 JULIA: It's definitely him then. There's no way. 652 00:42:50,872 --> 00:42:52,004 TAYLOR: Oh my God. 653 00:42:54,746 --> 00:42:56,312 [sighs] 654 00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:04,669 [overwhelming music playing] 655 00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:21,729 JULIA: Mike was the only person that knew Sadie, 656 00:43:21,903 --> 00:43:24,036 and the other women posted in this thread. 657 00:43:24,166 --> 00:43:27,822 [dramatic music playing] 658 00:43:27,953 --> 00:43:30,477 TAYLOR: Mike had a pretty similar relationship with them 659 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,914 as he had with me and Julia, 660 00:43:33,045 --> 00:43:36,396 which is like really being dependent on them 661 00:43:36,526 --> 00:43:38,311 for emotional support. 662 00:43:40,443 --> 00:43:44,273 JULIA: Mike expected for me to drop everything at a moment's notice. 663 00:43:44,404 --> 00:43:47,015 If I was studying for a test or doing an assignment, 664 00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:50,192 he would still expect that you know I would be on demand. 665 00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:58,505 Maybe he felt like he was entitled to all the attention 666 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:01,769 and all of the support that he wanted from us. 667 00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:07,166 And when we set boundaries for ourselves, 668 00:44:07,383 --> 00:44:10,517 I think that's what... what made him vengeful. 669 00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:22,224 TAYLOR: The fact that the group of women is this big, 670 00:44:22,355 --> 00:44:24,966 it scares me, because I just I have a gut feeling that... 671 00:44:25,097 --> 00:44:27,229 we haven't even found all of them. 672 00:44:40,068 --> 00:44:41,461 JULIA: Oh damn. 673 00:44:41,591 --> 00:44:44,812 This is so fucking creepy. And this was in 2018. 674 00:44:51,166 --> 00:44:53,212 This is literally a picture I took... 675 00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,780 ...with Mike. 676 00:44:56,694 --> 00:45:00,480 I remember like we made mimosas for his birthday freshman year, 677 00:45:00,654 --> 00:45:03,178 and like, because he wasn't doing anything and I wanted to cheer him up, 678 00:45:03,309 --> 00:45:06,181 So we, we had mimosas, like, in my room. 679 00:45:06,312 --> 00:45:07,966 And, like, that picture's on here. 680 00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:10,882 That's so fucked up. That's, like, so fucked up. 681 00:45:25,897 --> 00:45:30,336 TAYLOR: What - I'm sorry, excuse my language, but this was 2019, 682 00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:32,164 what the fuck? 683 00:45:34,383 --> 00:45:37,169 That's weird. This is... 684 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,563 Is that more recent than anything else? 685 00:45:40,694 --> 00:45:42,740 TAYLOR: No. That's like a year before anything else. 686 00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:47,396 That's a year before any of the other deepfakes were made. 687 00:45:48,049 --> 00:45:50,617 TAYLOR: This was probably like, right after our falling out, 688 00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:54,012 like, right after we had our big fight. 689 00:45:54,142 --> 00:45:55,448 Yeah. 690 00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:57,537 TAYLOR: Hold on. Just give me one second. 691 00:45:57,711 --> 00:45:59,278 [web cam switches off] 692 00:46:04,326 --> 00:46:05,197 TAYLOR: 693 00:46:05,327 --> 00:46:06,372 JAMIE: 694 00:46:10,419 --> 00:46:12,160 TAYLOR: 695 00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:14,293 JAMIE: 696 00:46:14,423 --> 00:46:16,251 TAYLOR: 697 00:46:19,951 --> 00:46:21,300 JAMIE: 698 00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:23,128 TAYLOR: 699 00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:25,086 JAMIE: 700 00:46:25,304 --> 00:46:26,609 I'm... 701 00:46:29,264 --> 00:46:31,876 No, but... Like it's fucked up. 702 00:46:32,267 --> 00:46:34,879 Like, we shared a bathroom Jamie, we shared a bathroom 703 00:46:35,009 --> 00:46:36,837 when he was doing this. 704 00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:39,535 He could have, like, I don't know what else he has. 705 00:46:39,666 --> 00:46:41,450 Like, I was taking showers and he was like, 706 00:46:41,581 --> 00:46:42,843 you know, 20 feet away. 707 00:46:44,584 --> 00:46:46,151 It's fucked. It's like, super fucked. 708 00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:57,379 OK. What am I reverse image searching? 709 00:47:05,344 --> 00:47:06,911 This one is of, of me. 710 00:47:07,781 --> 00:47:11,654 My face. I recognize the picture from my... 711 00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:14,353 I don't know, I think it was on Facebook. 712 00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:16,398 I think it was on my Facebook profile. 713 00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:19,575 And yeah, this one was made... 714 00:47:20,968 --> 00:47:23,841 ...right around the time that Mike and I had a falling out. 715 00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:28,193 So, it's clear to me now that 716 00:47:28,323 --> 00:47:29,759 he was doing all of this 717 00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:31,936 while we were very close friends. 718 00:47:32,153 --> 00:47:34,982 So, you know, at times when I would have considered him 719 00:47:35,113 --> 00:47:36,201 one of my best friends. 720 00:47:46,994 --> 00:47:50,693 [somber music playing] 721 00:47:52,478 --> 00:47:56,656 TAYLOR: Junior year, we lived together again. 722 00:47:58,963 --> 00:48:01,182 And he really started to like, 723 00:48:01,313 --> 00:48:03,750 I think, lean on me more and more and more. 724 00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:08,798 I would be in my room with my door closed. 725 00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:10,670 And like, every time I would hear like, 726 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,673 a very, like, faint knocking on the door, 727 00:48:13,803 --> 00:48:16,241 I knew it was him needing to talk. 728 00:48:20,158 --> 00:48:22,638 It got to the point where it was like, 729 00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:24,989 I couldn't take on all of the things 730 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:26,860 that were going on in his life. 731 00:48:30,211 --> 00:48:32,692 And that's where it started to go downhill was when I - 732 00:48:32,822 --> 00:48:34,389 I kind of put a boundary there. 733 00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:42,528 TAYLOR: One afternoon after class, 734 00:48:42,658 --> 00:48:45,531 Mike had turned to me to say, like, can we talk later? 735 00:48:48,142 --> 00:48:50,057 Something in me just like snapped, 736 00:48:50,188 --> 00:48:53,104 and I, yeah, I just couldn't. I just lost it. 737 00:49:05,638 --> 00:49:09,859 He kind of like shrunk a little bit, he kind of got quiet. 738 00:49:13,689 --> 00:49:17,867 And we like didn't really speak after that. 739 00:49:21,088 --> 00:49:24,178 That's how it was for the rest of the time that we lived together. 740 00:49:24,744 --> 00:49:27,921 [somber music playing] 741 00:49:29,357 --> 00:49:34,710 I think that Mike saw any slight as a really deep betrayal. 742 00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:40,151 I don't know if he thinks he's wrong in this. 743 00:49:40,281 --> 00:49:43,502 I don't know if he feels that he is, like, a perpetrator in this. 744 00:49:44,851 --> 00:49:49,638 I believe that in his mind he's getting back at us for, 745 00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:51,292 you know, wronging him. 746 00:50:14,054 --> 00:50:17,231 JULIA: Just googling Krelish and I already have stuff coming up. 747 00:50:17,492 --> 00:50:21,061 TAYLOR: Yeah, it looks like he used to have a profile on... 748 00:50:21,279 --> 00:50:23,933 something called MrDeepFakes.com. 749 00:50:36,468 --> 00:50:39,558 TAYLOR: I searched the username... 750 00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:45,868 There's this one girl who's like on here a lot for some reason. 751 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,089 I don't recognize her. 752 00:50:50,134 --> 00:50:52,875 JULIA: Yeah. Her name was also in the thread with my deepfake, 753 00:50:53,006 --> 00:50:54,181 I'm pretty sure... 754 00:50:56,879 --> 00:50:58,707 Oh, she's an ASMR YouTuber. 755 00:50:59,186 --> 00:51:02,363 She has 4.5 million subscribers. 756 00:51:18,858 --> 00:51:20,990 TAYLOR: This looks like... 757 00:51:21,121 --> 00:51:24,864 basically an instruction set on how to create deepfakes. 758 00:51:38,747 --> 00:51:42,447 It says he has like 1.6 million views. Like, that's wild. 759 00:51:42,577 --> 00:51:46,407 Like who... And it says... But he only joined a year ago. 760 00:51:48,409 --> 00:51:51,108 TAYLOR: It says he posted 132 videos. 761 00:51:51,238 --> 00:51:52,370 That's fucking insane. 762 00:51:53,327 --> 00:51:56,113 Clearly this was like what he did in his free time. 763 00:51:57,331 --> 00:51:59,028 Someone that like... 764 00:51:59,290 --> 00:52:03,598 ...knew me on a very, very, very personal level. 765 00:52:03,729 --> 00:52:06,949 It's hard to believe that, like, he... 766 00:52:07,211 --> 00:52:13,130 he has this complete other world that none of us knew about. 767 00:52:17,656 --> 00:52:21,703 [intense music playing] 768 00:52:26,012 --> 00:52:28,667 VOICES: This isn't just some sort of hobby anymore. 769 00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:31,626 This is a potentially lucrative business. 770 00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:35,935 Now you can do it by handing someone a few bucks over the Internet, 771 00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:39,156 and they'll make one for you with a video of your target, 772 00:52:39,286 --> 00:52:40,896 the length of an Instagram story. 773 00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:48,339 There are 9,500 sites that specialize in non-consensual intimate imagery. 774 00:52:49,818 --> 00:52:52,821 That is an exponential growth. 775 00:52:55,998 --> 00:53:00,438 This is not a phenomenon of weirdos, perverts or oddballs. 776 00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:04,006 There's simply too many of them. 777 00:53:04,137 --> 00:53:06,922 It is everyday people. 778 00:53:07,532 --> 00:53:11,623 It's a professor. It's a politician. 779 00:53:13,668 --> 00:53:16,889 It's the mayor of a small town in Denmark. 780 00:53:17,019 --> 00:53:22,416 I mean, these are the people who've gotten caught in countries around the world. 781 00:53:22,764 --> 00:53:25,202 The biggest deepfake porn website that I'm aware of, 782 00:53:25,332 --> 00:53:27,465 is averaging about 14 millions hits a month. 783 00:53:29,989 --> 00:53:34,254 There is no woman in the world who is safe from this technology. 784 00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:45,134 TAYLOR: How's it going? 785 00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:46,266 Good, how are you? 786 00:53:47,398 --> 00:53:51,880 TAYLOR: So I got, like, a bunch of, like, evidence, 787 00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:53,969 and people that we might know. 788 00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,972 I can, like, for sure send it to you if you'd like. 789 00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:58,060 JULIA: Mhm. 790 00:53:58,191 --> 00:53:59,540 But I think we're up to, like... 791 00:53:59,671 --> 00:54:00,889 God, probably like... 792 00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:03,805 [hesitates] five girls? 793 00:54:03,936 --> 00:54:04,719 Five or six? 794 00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:05,677 JULIA: Yeah. 795 00:54:05,807 --> 00:54:06,982 TAYLOR: One... Two... 796 00:54:08,157 --> 00:54:09,115 Six. 797 00:54:09,724 --> 00:54:11,335 Yeah, you can send it to me. 798 00:54:11,465 --> 00:54:12,597 TAYLOR: OK. 799 00:54:12,858 --> 00:54:14,947 See if I recognize anyone. 800 00:54:15,077 --> 00:54:16,557 So many penises as well. 801 00:54:16,688 --> 00:54:18,646 [laughs] 802 00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,735 The physics of it doesn't even make sense. 803 00:54:20,866 --> 00:54:25,262 [laughing] 804 00:54:25,392 --> 00:54:26,654 Looking forward to it. 805 00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:27,612 [laughing] 806 00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,091 I'll get a nice glass of wine. 807 00:54:29,222 --> 00:54:30,397 TAYLOR: Yeah, get like a... 808 00:54:31,877 --> 00:54:33,487 Mike really had some time on his hands. 809 00:54:33,618 --> 00:54:36,360 Yeah. Very concerned about his classes as I'm remembering. 810 00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:38,666 Clearly he was doing several other things. 811 00:54:38,797 --> 00:54:39,841 I know. 812 00:54:45,891 --> 00:54:48,807 [intense music playing] 813 00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:58,295 [phone buzzing] 814 00:55:01,515 --> 00:55:04,692 [intense music playing] 815 00:55:07,913 --> 00:55:12,265 TAYLOR: I spoke to the police and I gave them Mike's name... 816 00:55:13,005 --> 00:55:16,225 and they were able to speak to him on the phone. 817 00:55:19,446 --> 00:55:23,537 They told me that he never admitted doing it, 818 00:55:23,668 --> 00:55:25,800 but that he also never denied it. 819 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,285 The cop, he kind of like detailed his conversation with Mike 820 00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:35,897 and he said, "โ€œListen," you know, "We both know that 821 00:55:36,202 --> 00:55:38,726 there's really nothing else that can be done about this, 822 00:55:38,857 --> 00:55:41,903 but we need to understand this isn't going to happen again, right?" 823 00:55:42,034 --> 00:55:44,732 and Mike'โ€™s like, "โ€œNo, it's not going to happen again."โ€ 824 00:55:46,255 --> 00:55:50,172 [intense music playing] 825 00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:54,394 TAYLOR: They did say that he, like, thanked them at the end of the call 826 00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:56,831 for their handling of this. 827 00:56:00,357 --> 00:56:03,751 And then, they told me they had closed the case. 828 00:56:10,192 --> 00:56:12,238 [intense music playing] 829 00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:29,386 JAMIE: I mean, you could try messaging him. 830 00:56:29,516 --> 00:56:32,780 TAYLOR: Yeah, I could message him... JAMIE: See if he admits it. 831 00:56:32,911 --> 00:56:34,086 TAYLOR: I just like... 832 00:56:35,696 --> 00:56:37,089 There'โ€™s no like... 833 00:56:37,437 --> 00:56:38,482 There'โ€™s no... There'โ€™s no... 834 00:56:38,743 --> 00:56:40,788 There is closure but there'โ€™s no like... 835 00:56:42,137 --> 00:56:44,879 You know, like, I don'โ€™t know if Andrew will kick him out of the group chat 836 00:56:45,053 --> 00:56:46,707 I don'โ€™t know if... 837 00:56:47,578 --> 00:56:49,710 If he does, if that enough to get him to like, do it again? 838 00:56:49,841 --> 00:56:51,277 'cause like... 839 00:56:51,756 --> 00:56:54,759 Cutting him off from his friends might, you know... 840 00:56:56,021 --> 00:56:58,937 Be enough for him to like, hate me enough to do it again. 841 00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:01,156 I don'โ€™t know what to do... 842 00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,916 TAYLOR: On my freshman moving day to CTech, 843 00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:24,832 I was terrified that I wasn't going to make any friends. 844 00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:31,143 I remember the night before, I was just like, 845 00:57:31,273 --> 00:57:33,711 I'm like not - I don't think I'm ready for tomorrow. 846 00:57:33,841 --> 00:57:35,234 Um... 847 00:57:35,364 --> 00:57:39,064 We got there. My parents, like, got me to my dorm. 848 00:57:39,238 --> 00:57:43,764 We, like, moved in and then, my parents were going to leave 849 00:57:43,938 --> 00:57:46,898 and I was like, I'm not ready for them to leave. 850 00:57:47,028 --> 00:57:50,031 And so they were like, we'll go get you... 851 00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:52,033 something you need from the store. 852 00:57:52,251 --> 00:57:55,950 And they did. And then they came back and I was like not. 853 00:57:56,081 --> 00:57:57,343 I'm sorry, I'm getting a... 854 00:57:57,474 --> 00:57:59,258 I was not ready for them to leave. 855 00:58:00,651 --> 00:58:02,522 Wow. I didn't think I'd cry on camera. 856 00:58:04,524 --> 00:58:06,308 I was not ready for them to leave. 857 00:58:06,439 --> 00:58:10,138 And then we sat down in our freshman hallway 858 00:58:10,748 --> 00:58:13,315 with all the people who became my best friends 859 00:58:13,446 --> 00:58:16,101 and started college. 860 00:58:16,231 --> 00:58:17,450 And it was really scary. 861 00:58:22,586 --> 00:58:25,110 I'm sor-- I really didn't think this was going to happen! 862 00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:26,720 [sighs] 863 00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,724 OK. I'm good. 864 00:58:32,987 --> 00:58:35,860 TAYLOR: It's really hard to, to think about 865 00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:39,559 because, you know, sitting in that hallway, 866 00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:42,823 when I was really upset and really just vulnerable, 867 00:58:42,954 --> 00:58:45,391 was Mike and Bobby. 868 00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:49,613 And they really became my home away from home. 869 00:58:49,874 --> 00:58:51,615 I trusted these people so much 870 00:58:51,745 --> 00:58:55,183 and I was so vulnerable to all of them because it was just, 871 00:58:55,314 --> 00:58:57,185 You know, I think we were all pretty vulnerable at that point. 872 00:58:57,316 --> 00:58:59,405 It was our first time away from home, 873 00:58:59,536 --> 00:59:00,841 Uh... 874 00:59:00,972 --> 00:59:03,278 and now it just, you know, that like innocence 875 00:59:03,409 --> 00:59:05,411 that we all had then is just gone. 876 00:59:08,762 --> 00:59:10,764 [moody music playing] 877 00:59:10,938 --> 00:59:16,596 [muffled male voices] 878 00:59:17,989 --> 00:59:20,818 TAYLOR: He's still friends with all of my friends and... 879 00:59:20,948 --> 00:59:24,996 it's tough because I can't really tell them about it. 880 00:59:25,126 --> 00:59:27,781 I tried telling one of them and he didn't really believe me, 881 00:59:27,912 --> 00:59:28,869 that it was him. 882 00:59:29,827 --> 00:59:32,351 TAYLOR: I'm trying not to blame him... 883 00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:34,658 because, like, he is just trying to keep the peace. 884 00:59:34,919 --> 00:59:37,661 [muffled male voices] 885 00:59:37,965 --> 00:59:39,880 Because the police didn't do anything, 886 00:59:40,011 --> 00:59:42,404 it feels like it's kind of my word against his. 887 00:59:43,449 --> 00:59:47,409 It just makes me nervous, you know, slandering him. 888 00:59:48,236 --> 00:59:50,108 I definitely worry that something would happen 889 00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:53,590 where people wouldn't like me, or people would turn against me. 890 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,811 [muffled male voices] 891 00:59:58,116 --> 01:00:01,206 TAYLOR: It feels like I've had to deal with all of the consequences 892 01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,077 that he should have had to deal with. 893 01:00:03,382 --> 01:00:07,255 Like I've had to leave the friend group and he hasn't. 894 01:00:18,353 --> 01:00:20,051 ADAM: In a perfect world for someone to say, 895 01:00:20,181 --> 01:00:22,401 all right, we're going to get you whatever you want 896 01:00:22,531 --> 01:00:24,142 as far as an outcome for this, 897 01:00:24,272 --> 01:00:26,666 what would...what would that look like for you? 898 01:00:27,014 --> 01:00:29,756 Yeah, I don't know. It's a tough question because, like, 899 01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:32,454 you know, I think that that's kind of shifted in my mind now. 900 01:00:32,585 --> 01:00:34,152 I don't really know if there really is anything 901 01:00:34,282 --> 01:00:36,545 that can be done to make up for what happened so... 902 01:00:37,024 --> 01:00:39,505 I mean, you should be really proud of yourself, though. 903 01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:44,641 I mean, you got a lot further in the criminal justice process 904 01:00:44,771 --> 01:00:46,686 than most folks that I've worked with. 905 01:00:46,817 --> 01:00:49,080 So you must have really advocated hard for yourself. 906 01:00:49,254 --> 01:00:50,472 Yeah, thank you. 907 01:00:51,909 --> 01:00:53,345 TAYLOR: Here's the thing. I guess... 908 01:00:53,475 --> 01:00:54,651 here's my question is... Um... 909 01:00:56,130 --> 01:00:58,698 When talking about, like, what he did, 910 01:00:58,829 --> 01:01:01,483 am I able to say, based on my recollection, 911 01:01:01,614 --> 01:01:03,485 and on my hunch, I think he did it. 912 01:01:03,616 --> 01:01:06,445 Would that be like slanderous towards him in any way? 913 01:01:06,575 --> 01:01:10,492 Or am I am I supposed to just, like, not talk about it at all? 914 01:01:10,623 --> 01:01:12,059 OK, so I want you to know - 915 01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:14,018 what you're thinking and how you're feeling about this, 916 01:01:14,148 --> 01:01:15,323 very normal. 917 01:01:15,454 --> 01:01:17,064 And I get why you want to be careful. 918 01:01:17,195 --> 01:01:19,110 But you're the last person, 919 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,678 of everybody involved in this so far, 920 01:01:21,808 --> 01:01:23,462 you're the last person who should be worried about 921 01:01:23,592 --> 01:01:25,986 doing something wrong or saying something wrong. 922 01:01:26,204 --> 01:01:27,814 And frankly, 923 01:01:27,945 --> 01:01:30,425 that is a form of silencing you. Right? 924 01:01:30,556 --> 01:01:31,557 Um... 925 01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:33,080 That is never OK. 926 01:01:38,869 --> 01:01:43,656 [suspenseful music playing] 927 01:02:21,389 --> 01:02:23,304 GIBI: Hello. 928 01:02:23,435 --> 01:02:24,523 [tapping] 929 01:02:24,653 --> 01:02:26,307 Look up. Look to the side. 930 01:02:26,438 --> 01:02:27,526 [liquid sounds] 931 01:02:27,656 --> 01:02:30,224 May I know your name? 932 01:02:30,398 --> 01:02:31,791 [clicking] 933 01:02:31,922 --> 01:02:33,619 I'm going to go ahead and map out your face here. 934 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,968 [cutting] 935 01:02:35,099 --> 01:02:39,277 I could figure it out on my own, but... 936 01:02:39,407 --> 01:02:41,322 I wanted to ask permission. 937 01:02:44,151 --> 01:02:45,805 GIBI: Hello! TAYLOR: Hi, how's it going? 938 01:02:45,936 --> 01:02:48,025 GIBI: Good. How are you? 939 01:02:48,155 --> 01:02:49,417 TAYLOR: Good. 940 01:02:49,548 --> 01:02:50,941 Cool. It's so nice to meet you, I'm [bleep] 941 01:02:51,071 --> 01:02:52,072 GIBI: Nice to meet you. 942 01:02:52,203 --> 01:02:53,552 TAYLOR: Oh, t hat's my real name. 943 01:02:53,682 --> 01:02:56,033 GIBI: You can call me Gibi TAYLOR: I'm Taylor. 944 01:02:56,163 --> 01:02:57,730 So, yeah, I guess. 945 01:02:57,861 --> 01:03:00,602 I guess... I guess you were also... 946 01:03:00,864 --> 01:03:02,822 targeted by um... 947 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,956 ...this kid that targeted me, which I'm so sorry that it happened to you. 948 01:03:06,086 --> 01:03:07,609 GIBI: Is it the same one? 949 01:03:07,740 --> 01:03:09,089 I know, I was like, sorry to meet under the circumstances. 950 01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:10,656 TAYLOR: Yeah... 951 01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:12,353 I'm happy to give you whatever information you want. 952 01:03:12,484 --> 01:03:13,790 Yeah, sure. Send it over. 953 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,922 Here's the username. 954 01:03:16,053 --> 01:03:18,446 And then here's his actual name. 955 01:03:20,274 --> 01:03:23,800 So the account has 28 videos of you, Gibi, 956 01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:28,630 and it has 536,011 views in total. 957 01:03:28,761 --> 01:03:30,241 Holy shit. 958 01:03:30,371 --> 01:03:32,417 I mean it is interesting when you tell me the name 959 01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,680 of a person, like, instantly, I'm just like, oh. 960 01:03:35,246 --> 01:03:39,032 I would love to just put his face on the Internet and on Twitter 961 01:03:39,163 --> 01:03:41,295 and just be like... hello. 962 01:03:41,426 --> 01:03:43,254 I know. I feel that. 963 01:03:43,384 --> 01:03:48,737 But whenever there is some sort of stalker, creep, harassment situation... 964 01:03:49,738 --> 01:03:53,830 really the best professional advice that you can get 965 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,266 is to just ignore them. 966 01:03:55,396 --> 01:03:57,137 And it's really frustrating 967 01:03:57,268 --> 01:03:59,052 that that is our best option. 968 01:03:59,183 --> 01:04:01,489 You have to ignore them and hope that they just go away 969 01:04:01,620 --> 01:04:04,057 and get bored and then go to harass another person, 970 01:04:04,753 --> 01:04:06,625 or maybe fall off a cliff conveniently or something. 971 01:04:06,755 --> 01:04:09,280 You know what I mean? It's like I just hope they go away. 972 01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:10,934 Like, that's literally all you can do. 973 01:04:11,195 --> 01:04:12,718 It is very satisfying to have a name. 974 01:04:12,936 --> 01:04:14,459 Yeah. 975 01:04:14,589 --> 01:04:17,114 I know so many people personally that this has happened to, 976 01:04:17,288 --> 01:04:20,857 but it's not being talked about for fear of safety, 977 01:04:20,987 --> 01:04:22,728 for fear of embarrassment, 978 01:04:22,859 --> 01:04:25,165 for fear of being misunderstood. 979 01:04:25,296 --> 01:04:27,646 So I think I'm very tired of ignoring it. 980 01:04:28,952 --> 01:04:30,954 [dramatic music playing] 981 01:04:32,956 --> 01:04:35,349 VOICES: There are very, very, very few people 982 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,612 out there speaking out about this. 983 01:04:37,743 --> 01:04:42,139 Because that exposes that person to further abuse. 984 01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:49,189 And so that is weaponized in order to keep victims silent. 985 01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:59,025 The primary targets for this kind of abuse 986 01:04:59,156 --> 01:05:01,158 are women that have upset men in some way, 987 01:05:01,854 --> 01:05:04,204 w hether that's by being successful, by being powerful, 988 01:05:04,422 --> 01:05:06,859 by being unattainable, by being whatever it is. 989 01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:13,213 Whoever is targeted is driven offline. 990 01:05:16,303 --> 01:05:20,177 It's like the aperture of people's lives closes. 991 01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:24,094 The disciplinary effect of those deepfakes is: 992 01:05:24,311 --> 01:05:26,400 you shouldn't be successful, 993 01:05:26,835 --> 01:05:29,969 you shouldn't go into journalism, you shouldn't go into politics. 994 01:05:30,491 --> 01:05:32,929 That has a massive chilling effect. 995 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:50,250 GIBI: Hi. 996 01:05:50,555 --> 01:05:53,340 Today I need to talk about something uncomfortable. 997 01:05:54,385 --> 01:05:58,476 There is a lot of porn of me on the internet. 998 01:05:58,606 --> 01:06:02,436 My face has been digitally plastered countless times 999 01:06:02,567 --> 01:06:04,438 over other people's naked bodies 1000 01:06:04,569 --> 01:06:07,267 to create sex content that I never consented to. 1001 01:06:07,528 --> 01:06:12,533 It has felt hopeless and honestly unsafe to ever speak out. 1002 01:06:12,794 --> 01:06:18,061 However, I am relieved to finally be talking about this with some support. 1003 01:06:18,365 --> 01:06:20,106 I was contacted by someone 1004 01:06:20,237 --> 01:06:23,196 who thinks she has actually discovered the identity 1005 01:06:23,327 --> 01:06:26,373 of a person who has created deepfakes of her. 1006 01:06:26,504 --> 01:06:31,813 But this same username also made a ton of videos of me, 1007 01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:34,686 and a dozen of my friends. 1008 01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:38,603 I now know his name, 1009 01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:41,084 where he lives and where he works, 1010 01:06:42,172 --> 01:06:47,655 and I am so ready to finally be able to pursue 1011 01:06:48,047 --> 01:06:50,223 whatever action I can 1012 01:06:50,354 --> 01:06:54,793 to find some semblance of justice 1013 01:06:54,923 --> 01:06:58,449 on behalf of all the people he has done this to. 1014 01:06:58,579 --> 01:07:01,234 I don't care if it's just one. 1015 01:07:01,408 --> 01:07:04,324 I want to let him know that I know. 1016 01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:08,372 If that resonates with you, 1017 01:07:08,502 --> 01:07:11,375 I really, really would like to hear from you. 1018 01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:19,035 [somber music playing] 1019 01:07:31,656 --> 01:07:33,397 FEMALE VOICES: I Googled my name. 1020 01:07:36,617 --> 01:07:39,055 And all of a sudden the result pops up. 1021 01:07:42,754 --> 01:07:46,758 And everything just caved in really quickly around me. 1022 01:07:54,244 --> 01:07:57,899 Honestly, I've still not really got much of an idea 1023 01:07:58,030 --> 01:08:03,383 if it's somebody who I have been close to or am close to. 1024 01:08:09,085 --> 01:08:12,958 It felt like the image was kind of like ammunition 1025 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:17,180 that could be used against me for the rest of my life. 1026 01:08:23,577 --> 01:08:26,189 I couldn't think. I couldn't function. 1027 01:08:29,888 --> 01:08:32,325 I stopped eating for like a year where I felt like 1028 01:08:32,456 --> 01:08:38,810 if I became smaller, somehow people would notice me less. 1029 01:08:44,859 --> 01:08:47,645 It just became very easy to think about 1030 01:08:47,819 --> 01:08:51,301 how death would be much easier than living this hell. 1031 01:08:59,961 --> 01:09:02,486 I felt alone and scared. 1032 01:09:06,403 --> 01:09:08,796 There's always this scary amount of backlash 1033 01:09:08,927 --> 01:09:11,016 and people will say you're overreacting 1034 01:09:11,147 --> 01:09:14,106 or you post stuff online, so you deserve this. 1035 01:09:16,282 --> 01:09:18,719 Seeing Gibi speak out, 1036 01:09:18,850 --> 01:09:22,201 I finally felt like I wasn't alone. 1037 01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:27,859 I felt like I now had a voice. 1038 01:09:31,471 --> 01:09:34,344 [somber music playing] 1039 01:09:45,268 --> 01:09:47,226 OK. So a quick update. 1040 01:09:47,357 --> 01:09:50,838 I heard about a White House meeting 1041 01:09:50,969 --> 01:09:52,840 that's going to be taking place, 1042 01:09:52,971 --> 01:09:56,235 focusing on deepfakes and how to change the laws. 1043 01:09:56,366 --> 01:09:59,847 So I'm going to be giving a deepfaked testimony. 1044 01:09:59,978 --> 01:10:03,111 I'll basically be recording a short video 1045 01:10:03,286 --> 01:10:04,939 kind of telling my experience 1046 01:10:05,113 --> 01:10:07,812 and what I think needs to happen to hopefully 1047 01:10:07,942 --> 01:10:10,728 prevent this from happening to more people in the future, 1048 01:10:10,858 --> 01:10:12,991 that people at the White House will view. 1049 01:10:13,121 --> 01:10:14,688 So I guess this is like kind of 1050 01:10:14,819 --> 01:10:16,473 the coolest thing that I've done 1051 01:10:16,603 --> 01:10:18,910 that I can't actually tell anyone about 1052 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,042 because no one's going to know who I am. 1053 01:10:21,521 --> 01:10:23,610 So that'll be pretty cool, I hope. 1054 01:10:23,741 --> 01:10:25,438 I'm a little nervous to like film it 1055 01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:28,006 just because I feel like this is like the closest 1056 01:10:28,136 --> 01:10:32,576 thing to actual change that I've been able to do. 1057 01:10:32,706 --> 01:10:35,361 So yeah, it's a little nerve wracking, 1058 01:10:35,492 --> 01:10:39,974 but definitely an exciting step in this... 1059 01:10:40,105 --> 01:10:43,064 very weird journey that I've been on. 1060 01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:45,241 Oh, and yeah, if I haven't mentioned it, 1061 01:10:45,371 --> 01:10:47,199 I still suck at making video diaries. 1062 01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:50,071 So thank God, I'm being deepfaked. 1063 01:10:50,463 --> 01:10:52,335 I mean, not thank God I'm being deepfaked, 1064 01:10:52,465 --> 01:10:55,120 thank God I'll be anonymous, you know what I mean. 1065 01:10:58,558 --> 01:10:59,951 Hi, my name is Taylor 1066 01:11:00,081 --> 01:11:01,605 and I appreciate the platform 1067 01:11:01,735 --> 01:11:04,172 to be able to speak to you today. 1068 01:11:04,303 --> 01:11:05,652 Before I begin, 1069 01:11:05,783 --> 01:11:08,351 I should mention that my name is not really Taylor 1070 01:11:08,481 --> 01:11:10,178 and this isn't actually my face. 1071 01:11:11,397 --> 01:11:13,530 What I want you to understand about deepfakes 1072 01:11:13,660 --> 01:11:15,967 is that there are hundreds of thousands of women 1073 01:11:16,097 --> 01:11:18,752 being affected by this right now. 1074 01:11:18,883 --> 01:11:20,537 You may not be able to see them, 1075 01:11:20,667 --> 01:11:24,410 but the impacts are very real and very serious. 1076 01:11:24,541 --> 01:11:27,631 [suspenseful music playing] 1077 01:11:35,987 --> 01:11:40,121 TAYLOR: I think because he essentially got away with this, 1078 01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:45,083 Mike will certainly keep doing this to women in his life. 1079 01:11:45,213 --> 01:11:49,435 JULIA: I think it's disgusting that he's not going to face any repercussions. 1080 01:11:49,566 --> 01:11:52,046 His future female co-workers 1081 01:11:52,177 --> 01:11:54,658 and female friends have no idea that he's done this. 1082 01:11:55,528 --> 01:11:58,966 And I think that's really dangerous for the people around him. 1083 01:12:00,054 --> 01:12:02,056 [suspenseful music playing] 1084 01:12:05,451 --> 01:12:10,413 VOICES: Every time we see behavior that is so egregious 1085 01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:15,505 and there's no accountability, it really is a blank check 1086 01:12:15,635 --> 01:12:17,158 to do even more of it. 1087 01:12:22,207 --> 01:12:25,036 We have to create so much pain 1088 01:12:25,297 --> 01:12:26,603 for the Pornhubs of the world, 1089 01:12:26,733 --> 01:12:27,865 the Xvideos of the world, 1090 01:12:27,995 --> 01:12:30,171 that they will move heaven and earth 1091 01:12:30,302 --> 01:12:32,043 to get this stuff off their platforms. 1092 01:12:36,482 --> 01:12:39,311 We're at the very beginning of this battle, 1093 01:12:39,964 --> 01:12:43,489 but we're not gonna allow the dark recesses of the internet 1094 01:12:44,055 --> 01:12:45,709 to dictate our future. 1095 01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:52,106 I passed my thesis... 1096 01:12:52,237 --> 01:12:54,805 I have to fix the measurements setup, but I passed my thesis! 1097 01:12:55,109 --> 01:12:57,068 I can get a master's degree now. 1098 01:12:58,330 --> 01:12:59,418 That's fucking dope! 1099 01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:01,942 And we're going to California. 1100 01:13:02,073 --> 01:13:03,422 I start my job. 1101 01:13:03,553 --> 01:13:05,468 I'm graduating in September, getting my degree, 1102 01:13:05,598 --> 01:13:07,121 going to be done with school. 1103 01:13:07,252 --> 01:13:10,081 So excited about that. That's dope. 1104 01:13:11,996 --> 01:13:12,953 It'โ€™s dope. 1105 01:13:14,825 --> 01:13:17,175 [suspenseful music playing] 1106 01:13:21,701 --> 01:13:25,139 TAYLOR: I guess I just like never thought that Silicon Valley type jobs 1107 01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:27,185 would ever be within my reach. 1108 01:13:31,624 --> 01:13:33,278 Being in a male-dominated field, 1109 01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:34,975 I want to be taken seriously. 1110 01:13:36,107 --> 01:13:38,675 I want to be known for my technical accomplishments 1111 01:13:38,805 --> 01:13:42,679 and the things that I, you know, have chosen to do with my life. 1112 01:13:45,638 --> 01:13:47,335 JULIA: I would love to be like a face for, like, 1113 01:13:47,553 --> 01:13:48,380 more women in gaming, 1114 01:13:48,511 --> 01:13:51,035 but the deepfake situation 1115 01:13:51,165 --> 01:13:54,125 has definitely caused me to think twice about that. 1116 01:13:55,126 --> 01:13:56,954 [arrow whirs] 1117 01:14:01,045 --> 01:14:02,481 JULIA: There's a deer on the boardwalk. 1118 01:14:02,612 --> 01:14:03,787 I don't know if you can see that. There's... 1119 01:14:03,961 --> 01:14:05,615 I literally just watched a deer 1120 01:14:05,745 --> 01:14:07,486 hop across the bank parking lot. 1121 01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:10,054 It's running down the boardwalk. 1122 01:14:10,402 --> 01:14:12,448 Do you see it? What the heck! 1123 01:14:12,578 --> 01:14:13,579 Caught on candid... 1124 01:14:13,710 --> 01:14:16,060 It's sprinting down the boardwalk! 1125 01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:23,067 [suspenseful music playing] 1126 01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:32,555 TAYLOR: It's highly likely that there is still more stuff out there 1127 01:14:32,685 --> 01:14:34,600 that I haven't seen. 1128 01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:45,089 But then I can't let that fear affect how I live my life. 1129 01:14:56,056 --> 01:14:58,058 [distorted music playing] 1130 01:15:10,984 --> 01:15:16,076 [crickets chirping] 88996

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