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Once I had a pretty little girl
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I lose my baby,ain't that sad?
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Once I had a pretty little girl
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I lose my baby, ain't that sad?
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You know you can'tSpend what you ain't got
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You can't loseWhat you ain't never had
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Well, you know you can'tSpend what you ain't got
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You can't loseWhat you ain't never had
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- We'll take it fancy, just however.
- Well, that's, that's good.
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- That's gonna work.
- That's really getting there.
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- There's no changes in there, is there?
- No, none.
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Am I wrong
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Only in loving you?
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Tell meAm I wrong
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Only in loving you?
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While your other manWas out there
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Cheating and lyingStepping all over you
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Am I wrong
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Going that way?
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How's it going?
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Good.
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- What is it called?
- Lush life.
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It just starts right in.One, two, three.
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I'm known as a rambler
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And my home is inNo one man's town
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I'm known as a rambler
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And my home is inNo one man's town
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And I ain't gonna let nobody
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Ever gonna tie me down
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The judges all knows me
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As a man with a smiling' face
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The judges all knows me
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As a man with a smiling' face
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And there's no man
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There's ever gonna take my place
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You gotta to find, my baby
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If you wanna get along with me
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You got to, got to, got to,Got to, got to, got to
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Find, my baby
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If you wanna get along with me
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Hand to the childHand to the child
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I'm not that foolThat I used to be
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Every morning the sun comes up
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With the evening
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In the evening the sun goes down
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Every morning the sun comes up
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In the evening the sun goes down
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I gotta live
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Fast in your town
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Key of E?
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No, it's fine,
but it's a hard key for alto, though.
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It is.
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- Yeah, how was that?
- Beautiful.
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And the most popular
form of popular music...
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was the big band style
from the posh hotels.
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Ambrose and his orchestra from
the Mayfair Hotel...
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somebody else. Sidney Lipton
from the Dorchester and all that.
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The dance bands werethe big thing in those days.
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Musicians playedin big bands...
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slaving over hot scoresto earn their money...
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and then went down and played jazz
after hours for nothing...
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for the love of it.
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Bear in mind that in the forties
the jazz scene was these clubs...
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where people played records
and discussed it in...
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serious sorts of tones, you know.
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There was no Blues scene.
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Here was half a dozen peoplein Britain who knew what it was.
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It began in the late,
very late forties, really.
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It didn't get into a big scale
with the public until...
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I suppose really when we started up
in the band in '53 with Ken Colyer...
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in '54 when I took
the band over. About then.
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The first jazz band that I ever saw
was the Freddy Randall Jazz Band.
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Shortly, very shortly after that
I saw the Humphrey Lyttelton band...
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which was much more sort
of what I would call authentic.
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When I got to London...
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I discovered that there was this
movement led by Humphrey Littleton...
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the revivalist movement, not
the traditional movement...
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playing jazz of the kind that was
recorded in the 20s in Chicago.
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Oliver, Armstrong, Morton and so on.
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It was a revivalist thing in the sense,
so it was...
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those of us who played it
and I was one of them.
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Had this idea that
we were going to pick up where...
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Jelly Roll Morton
and all those people left off.
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Woke up this morning'
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When chickens was crowing' for day
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Felt on the right sideOf my pilla'
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My man had gone away
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By his pilla'
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He left a note
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Reading', I'm sorry, Jane
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You got my goat
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No time to marry
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No time to settle down
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I'm a young woman
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And ain't done running' 'round
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The revivalists, for instance,
wouldn't tolerate Bebop.
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- Really?
- No.
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And the Bebop people
wouldn't tolerate revivalism...
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they called us moldy figs.
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And then came Ken Colyer and that again
sort of sub-split the split anyway.
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Ken was a strange man actually.
Great trumpet player.
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He's a man who's been...
who's been, I feel rather...
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misrepresented by many people who...
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claimed to represent
his ideals and everything else.
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And I first knew Ken, indeed my first
band was a revival style band.
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We got together with Ken in 1948.
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He liked George Lewis and revivedarchaic New Orleans was his bag.
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While classic New Orleans
was our bag...
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so we thought: It doesn't really work,
so it didn't.
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I don't think we've had a New Orleans
style trumpet player of his equal.
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Finally he managed to get...
he got to New Orleans...
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by joining the merchant Navy and
jumping ship at Mobile Alabama...
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and got to new Orleans without
a passport or a work permit.
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He went over there and found all these
very old boys and played with them.
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And adopted the way they played.
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There are legends that he...
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- pay slightly out of tune to get...
- No.
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- Not true?
- Rubbish.
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No, rubbish.
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Total rubbish. Ken never
played out of tune.
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Ken was a wonderful ear.
Sadly he didn't know any music...
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cause he'd have been better off
if he had known music.
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He never punched me.
He threatened to.
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But that as I said has nothing
to do with it at all.
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Ken Colyer was the closest
thing to George Lewis...
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I think that you can find on this side
of the water. I didn't know it...
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it's interesting to someone
who wasn't even nowhere near being...
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musically savvy at that time. I was
a young teenager, I could know that.
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It was all
so it has to be intuitive.
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What was amusing was that
there was Ken Colyer in the club.
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Louis Armstrong played
and I watched Ken, you know...
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because Ken,
he'd been the great deviator...
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the man that stopped jazz being jazz
by killing the New Orleans tradition.
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- The Devil.
- Yes. The Devil.
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So when he'd finished blowing
wonderfully, with Humph, I think...
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I went over to Ken and said
"What do you think Ken?"
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I was so mischievous
Ken said: "He'll do".
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I also sat and listened enthralled
to Big Bill Broonzy...
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sitting on a chair in the middle
of the room, playing the guitar...
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and talking about the Blues.
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He was one of the firstto come over.
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Billed as the last ofthe Mississippi Bluesmen...
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in 1951 when he first came over
or '50.
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And of course since then
there have been about a hundred.
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We also went
on tour with Big Bill Broonzy...
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who was a lovely man.
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A terrible liar, of course.
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He said that he owned
eight farms and all that...
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and when he died,
he left nothing at all, but why not?
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Broonzy had a big body of work,
which not everyone is familiar with...
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being in bands playing
with piano players.
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We booked Broonzy
for the concert but asked him...
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not to play
the electric guitar...
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and also to play the old field blues,
country blues.
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He was living a kind of a lie,
as we found out later...
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because one got the impression
he'd come straight from the Delta...
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into a studio and then into fame.
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But that was an important lie,
though, wasn't it?
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An important lie, but the real
truth was he came out of Chicago...
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where he'd sung rhythm and blues
at one time.
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It didn't matter, did it?
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He could play and
he could sing wonderfully.
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He was in fact a forerunner...
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of the Muddy Waterses and
the Buddy Guys and people like that.
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Think about how all the people
who came up through Big Bill Broonzy...
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he was like the Art Blakey
of the Blues world, you know.
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He had, you know, Memphis Slim
and the original Sonny Boy Williamson...
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Jazz Gillum, Big Maceo,
Josh Altheimer.
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So many people.
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Broonzy got shown on TV, too.
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The other things was that
he was big here...
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was because on something
like "News Night"...
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or one of those they showed some
footage and it was so spellbinding...
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that I think anyone that was leaning
in that direction got it from there.
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Big Bill Broonzy was
the first singer I heard.
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He came over and
it was on Six-Five Special, I think.
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I just loved the rawness of it,
but he was very musical with it.
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To me, the connotation
was Black music was acoustic...
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and White rock 'n ' roll
was electric.
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Also Brownie McGhee.
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Now I know that Brownie himself
actually played in the club...
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I was in and I was there at that time
as a boy sitting at his feet, you know.
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That was the first time close up I'd
ever seen somebody play the Blues.
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Hey
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Hey
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Hey Lord, Lord hey, Lord
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Hey, hey, hey Lord, Lord, Lord
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The blind one wants
to go for a pee...
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so the crippled one says...
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"Better go with him.
He don't always aim", and so on.
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At that moment, he came back
in the door: "What are you saying?"
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They had a terrible
race round the table.
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The crippled one trying to escape
from the stick of the blind one.
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And the room was full of
quite valuable pictures and objects...
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it was a heart-rending moment.
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'57 Rosetta Tharpe came with a fender,
with a solid fender...
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and an amp...
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and '58 Sonny and Brownie,
and Brownie had a little amp...
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and acoustic guitar
with pick up on it.
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And of course, later in '58 Muddy
Waters with an amp and electric guitar.
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Sister Rosetta Tharpe
was big in my life at that point.
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Sister played most, really good
rock 'n ' roll blues guitar.
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Ripping into gospel songs
and she played electric guitar...
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and had Hammond B3
and a drummer you know...
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as a part of church music,
which was...
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The thing was Sister Rosetta
Tharpe onstage, of course...
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had a practically halo...
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but offstage she liked her brandy...
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and was quite randy, as well,
I was rhyming on purpose.
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And behaved very badly,
I'm glad to say.
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Mulligan was quite worried
before we went on tour with her...
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but he soon wasn't, in fact you used
to have to lock his door.
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We came on the old John Bee
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My grand pappy and me
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Old seven sea
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We did
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It was very much a part of my...
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introduction to like Lonnie Donegan's
skiffle...
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all of that stuff,
and it was kind of on the way out...
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by the time
I got my hands on a guitar...
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but it was very much for
formative stuff for me.
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Became too brokenI wanna go home
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Skiffle was an influence
as well I, you know...
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tried to play in skiffle
bands when we were young.
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Once I heard Lonnie Donegan that was it.
I had to pick up a guitar.
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The thing about skiffle,
it was an accessible music...
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- that couple of people with guitars...
- It was sort of British, wasn't it?
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It was purely British.
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We played spirituals,
gospel, blues, jazz...
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pop songs of the day.
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Lonnie Donegan, when he first started
and all the hits he had...
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I didn't realize at the time that
they were all Lead Belly songs.
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Me and my wife settled downBut me and my wife have parted
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'Cause it was only much later
in the kind of late 80's...
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I suddenly realized where all,
all these songs had...
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had come from, probably
thirty years later.
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Well it is a total mix...
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of primarily Afro-American,
but not exclusively.
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Donegan was...
he was huge then...
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and this skiffle phenomenon
was starting then.
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Was there a comparable movement
in the States?
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There was a comparable movement yes,
which was just plain folk song.
243
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The American student age generation
discovered their own folk music.
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You mean like Peter,
Paul and Mary?
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Yes and the Kingston Trio
and people like that.
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In the spring of '55 Jackand June arrived in London...
247
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to find a burgeoning and surprisinglypassionate folk scene.
248
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Would be folkieswere putting a new...
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spin on traditional tunes.
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This do it yourself take on folkmusic became known as skiffle.
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I don't know what train he's onWon't you tell me where he's gone
252
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Skiffle ain't worth shit. I don't even
want to talk about it, it's disgusting.
253
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It was some half-assed
non-musicians...
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who thought it'd be a cute idea to buy
a guitar learn one chord and sing...
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Takes a worried manTo sing a worried song
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Were you influenced by people
like Ramblin' Jack Elliot?
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Did you meet him
when he came to London?
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Yeah.
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- Did he make an impact?
- No. Next.
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- Really not?
- No.
261
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I always thought he was a faker.
Well, I'm a Woody Guthrie man, you know.
262
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So somebody who does imitations of Woody
Guthrie doesn't impress me. I do that.
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I think Lonnie Donegan took his name
from Lonnie Johnson...
264
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and it would be Alonso, would have been
his name actually in Spanish, Alonso.
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Turn your face a littleAnd turn your head a while
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But everybody knowsShe's only putting on this time
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Right? That's not a folk song,
that's a pop song.
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Actually, since I've been going'
a lot to middle Tennessee...
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I've realized now where a lot
of these skiffle tunes came from.
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They were renditions
of bluegrass tunes...
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which originally came out from
to the Appalachians...
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you have via Scottish
and Irish settlers...
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although the songs were
rewritten, songs like...
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"Down in the Mines" and
"Rock Island Line".
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Ken Colyer did the skiffle thing...
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in the intermission or whatever
of the trad jazz band thing, and then...
277
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when Chris Barber had got his own band
and Chris started doing it...
278
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then Lonnie Donegan was part of that,
he was a banjo player...
279
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but he played guitar
in the skiffle stuff.
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All of this was evolving out of what
you called jazz, then.
281
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All of it came under
the heading of jazz.
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A couple of years ago I went
with Van Morrision to Belfast...
283
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and we put on what you call the skiffle
sessions, skiffle concert right...
284
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coincidentally that Dr. John
was working round the corner...
285
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gave him a whistle
and he came roaring around...
286
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and Lonnie Donegan:
"Oh, my God...
287
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Rock Island Line was the greatest record
was ever made and you started me off".
288
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I say: I started you off?
Have we got this right?
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There was a kind of hybrid between
skiffle and traditional jazz...
290
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that occasionally flirted
with blues...
291
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and that was also
very interesting.
292
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The first real British blues record
I think I heard...
293
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was Humphrey Lyttleton's
Bad Penny Blues...
294
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which was instrumental...
295
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and Johnny Parker,
the pianist in the band...
296
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played a fantastic
boogie-woogie on that.
297
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Yeah, it doesn't stop.
298
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Yeah, muted trumpet...
299
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and apparently they did
that song like that...
300
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because half his band didn't show up
or something.
301
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- Right.
- So it just was his rhythm section.
302
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- Good job, hey.
- Exactly.
303
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I said to Johnny Parker,
the piano player at that time...
304
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"Let's do that thing
we play in the club".
305
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When I heard it I was horrified.
306
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Had I heard a test pressing
of it before I'd gone on holiday...
307
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I have said I'm not
having that put out.
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He said he only had
a few musicians there...
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so he had to make it sound big.
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Left hand of the piano
was distorted...
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had a sort of bonging noise:
Bonga bonga bon...
312
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the drums were heavily over,
off-offbeat brushes...
313
00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:05,937
and the brushes were heavily
over-recorded, and...
314
00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:09,078
it was actually balanced
in the studio by Joe Meek.
315
00:24:09,247 --> 00:24:11,181
That a later became famous
in pop circles.
316
00:24:11,416 --> 00:24:13,043
Yeah, Joe Meek. So...
317
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cause I recorded with him in,
you know, early sixties...
318
00:24:17,088 --> 00:24:21,354
and he was starting to mic...
that's why the piano was so loud.
319
00:24:21,526 --> 00:24:25,724
I've always referred to him as
the first of the creative sound mixers.
320
00:24:25,897 --> 00:24:28,388
In other words, he was doing
a whole lot of things that...
321
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:31,561
I wouldn't have approved of at the time.
But when I came back from holiday...
322
00:24:31,636 --> 00:24:35,595
and found it was number 19
in the top twenty, I kind of shut up.
323
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With Joe Meek, you know, to each his
own, I mean, I've got nothing against...
324
00:24:49,754 --> 00:24:52,587
I don't hold it against anybody
but, I mean, whatever, but it when it...
325
00:24:52,757 --> 00:24:55,385
when it gets in the way
of the music...
326
00:24:55,694 --> 00:24:58,891
instead of getting the music done,
there's something else...
327
00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:02,193
it's like for good looking girls,
it's the casting couch...
328
00:25:02,534 --> 00:25:05,401
you know what I mean,
with heterosexual men...
329
00:25:05,737 --> 00:25:08,103
cause he was like
"You got as bit of a, you know".
330
00:25:08,173 --> 00:25:09,834
I said "yeah, those jeans
fit you well, don't they?"
331
00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:11,498
I said well "fuck yeah",
I said...
332
00:25:11,843 --> 00:25:13,834
"Looks like you
got a bit of a..."
333
00:25:14,012 --> 00:25:16,037
and I said "yeah, well it serves
its purpose, you know".
334
00:25:16,147 --> 00:25:19,207
So it was all that, I thought
what the fuck is he on about.
335
00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:20,818
So then he was carrying on.
336
00:25:20,952 --> 00:25:24,888
And then he was saying that
he was gonna get these tapes released...
337
00:25:24,956 --> 00:25:26,856
and, yeah,
EMI was gonna have it...
338
00:25:26,992 --> 00:25:29,153
we went to EMI and
they didn't know anything about it...
339
00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:30,852
then I went to Decca,
they didn't know anything...
340
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:33,930
so then I went for him and went
back to the thing and said "You fuck"...
341
00:25:34,065 --> 00:25:36,295
so I went across the desk at him...
342
00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:39,360
and it was the first time
I ever saw anybody fly.
343
00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:42,940
I mean, it's unbelievable.
It was like Peter Pan.
344
00:25:43,141 --> 00:25:44,506
Next thing I knew he was,
he was...
345
00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:47,075
one minute he was standing there
at the desk...
346
00:25:47,145 --> 00:25:49,909
and the next minute
he was sitting on the mantelpiece.
347
00:25:50,949 --> 00:25:52,746
I thought,
"How the fuck did he get up there?"
348
00:25:53,018 --> 00:25:54,144
Bad Penny Blues.
349
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,048
"Bad Penny Blues".
Yeah, that was the...
350
00:25:56,788 --> 00:26:00,724
Johnny Parker's solo
out of Bad Penny Blues...
351
00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:03,861
was used on Lady Madonna,
wasn't it?
352
00:26:04,029 --> 00:26:05,690
Quite right, yeah.
353
00:26:14,539 --> 00:26:16,598
Lady Madonna
354
00:26:16,841 --> 00:26:18,809
Children at your feet
355
00:26:19,044 --> 00:26:21,638
Wonder how you manageTo make ends meet
356
00:26:21,713 --> 00:26:24,580
Note for note, it was
the same kind of feel.
357
00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:29,083
It was a four bar thing but with eight
to a bar overlaid on the top.
358
00:27:17,402 --> 00:27:20,337
When we turned up to the rehearsal roomand Eddie Cochran was sitting there...
359
00:27:20,505 --> 00:27:24,202
with his leather waistcoat, leathertrousers, and his Gretsch Guitar...
360
00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:29,313
and his cowboy boots and Eddie said:
"Anybody ever heard of Ray Charles?"
361
00:27:29,848 --> 00:27:33,807
And I don't think anybody put their hand
up. I hadn't heard of him...
362
00:27:33,985 --> 00:27:37,182
and he said: "Well, this is one tune
I wanna do in my show"...
363
00:27:37,355 --> 00:27:38,913
and he went...
364
00:27:43,928 --> 00:27:46,158
Started that Ray Charles lick
called "What I'd Say"...
365
00:27:46,297 --> 00:27:48,288
and we all went:
"What was that?"
366
00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:51,300
Hey mamaDon't you treat me wrong
367
00:27:51,469 --> 00:27:54,927
Come and love your daddy all night longAll right now
368
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:57,271
Hey hey
369
00:27:57,776 --> 00:28:01,143
Eddie Cochran introduced the music of Ray
Charles to the masses of this country...
370
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,270
on that tragic tour
when he was killed.
371
00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:07,009
Well, because John Lee Hooker was the
first one to come over for a club tour.
372
00:28:07,152 --> 00:28:10,644
He had previously been over on one
of the blues packages in concert...
373
00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:15,690
but this was, you know, when
he came over to do a tour with us...
374
00:28:16,294 --> 00:28:18,319
it was that was a big success.
375
00:28:18,596 --> 00:28:22,794
We backed Muddy Waters,
John Lee Hooker, T-Bone Walker...
376
00:28:23,068 --> 00:28:25,332
Champion Jack Dupree, and...
377
00:28:25,503 --> 00:28:27,528
Memphis Slim, Jimmy Witherspoon.
378
00:28:27,772 --> 00:28:31,674
The time I was with John,
I was asked to play, by Mike Vernon...
379
00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:35,075
I was asked to play with Muddy
and Otis Spann...
380
00:28:35,246 --> 00:28:41,116
and they came to London to do, I think,
like a promotional tour or something...
381
00:28:41,653 --> 00:28:45,589
and that was unbelievable,
and they were in their heyday...
382
00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:48,818
and they had these big
silk suits on...
383
00:28:49,594 --> 00:28:53,189
man, I was just gob smacked,
I could hardly move.
384
00:28:53,431 --> 00:28:55,456
Had a little girl
385
00:28:57,001 --> 00:29:00,437
But I lose my baby boyAin't that bad?
386
00:29:07,979 --> 00:29:10,140
Had a little girl
387
00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:14,917
I lose my baby boyAin't that bad?
388
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,326
You can't spendWhat you ain't got
389
00:29:25,563 --> 00:29:28,828
You can't lose some girlYou never had
390
00:29:29,033 --> 00:29:31,228
When I was called to the session...
391
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:36,370
and everything was
in the key of F-sharp...
392
00:29:37,008 --> 00:29:38,976
or B-natural...
393
00:29:39,177 --> 00:29:43,580
and in those days I could only play
in like three or four keys, C, G, F...
394
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:46,273
and now having to play
with guitar players...
395
00:29:46,451 --> 00:29:48,351
I could play a bit in E and A.
396
00:29:48,586 --> 00:29:51,214
As long as I kept good time...
397
00:29:51,389 --> 00:29:54,847
that's all, I felt really proud
of myself just doing that because...
398
00:29:54,926 --> 00:29:56,826
I never had the technique...
399
00:29:57,028 --> 00:29:58,689
and it never actually interested me...
400
00:29:58,763 --> 00:30:02,756
the only technique that I have
is just by default...
401
00:30:02,834 --> 00:30:04,563
because I played so long or...
402
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:08,732
when someone shouts
change the something in the chorus...
403
00:30:08,907 --> 00:30:10,636
I still don't know
what the chorus is...
404
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:13,539
I'm like playing
with Sonny Boy...
405
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:16,578
where they just change and...
406
00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:20,047
and believe me, they're right
and you're wrong.
407
00:30:27,358 --> 00:30:29,383
Had money in the bank
408
00:30:30,762 --> 00:30:34,061
But I got busted peopleAin't that bad?
409
00:30:39,938 --> 00:30:42,429
And I saw Muddy
a few years later...
410
00:30:42,607 --> 00:30:46,236
and I just mentioned to him I said:
"That recording session, man"...
411
00:30:46,411 --> 00:30:47,878
I said: "It was terrible, you know...
412
00:30:48,046 --> 00:30:50,173
everything was in F-sharp or B".
413
00:30:50,415 --> 00:30:52,815
I said: "I was very uncomfortable.
I'm sorry about that".
414
00:30:52,984 --> 00:30:56,511
He said: "Shit, man. You should have
told me. I would have moved the capo".
415
00:30:56,754 --> 00:31:00,053
But you were so in awe of somebody
like Muddy Waters...
416
00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:03,183
you didn't say:
"Hey man, can you change the key?"
417
00:31:03,428 --> 00:31:05,862
Had a sweet little home
418
00:31:06,631 --> 00:31:09,361
But it got burned down peopleAin't that bad?
419
00:31:16,274 --> 00:31:18,742
Had my own home
420
00:31:20,011 --> 00:31:22,912
People, ain't that bad?
421
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,948
You can't spendWhat you ain't got
422
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:35,753
You can't lose some new girlYou ain't never had
423
00:31:43,268 --> 00:31:45,793
Well, T-Bone Walker
did a tour with us.
424
00:31:45,937 --> 00:31:48,064
He was the second one
who did the actual complete tour...
425
00:31:48,206 --> 00:31:51,437
and they did scattered performances here
and there with Sonny Boy Williamson.
426
00:31:51,709 --> 00:31:54,473
Sonny Boy Williamson
came to play with the Yardbirds...
427
00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:58,013
and Sonny Boy stayed on
in Europe for quite a while...
428
00:31:58,182 --> 00:32:02,448
and they... because Georgio
had this band, the Yardbirds...
429
00:32:02,854 --> 00:32:06,017
and it seemed like a good idea
to put the two things together...
430
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:09,182
and that was a hardcore experience...
431
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,524
and quite frightening, I mean,
it almost coulda turned me off, I think...
432
00:32:13,731 --> 00:32:16,131
what was life-saving about it
for me was that...
433
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,964
I wasn't a huge fan of Sonny Boy
in the first place.
434
00:32:19,237 --> 00:32:22,695
And because I was like a bit of
a mouth around this stuff, too...
435
00:32:22,874 --> 00:32:25,775
I think we didn't hit it off
very well.
436
00:32:26,077 --> 00:32:29,103
More with some musicians
than others. I mean...
437
00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:34,342
John Lee Hooker
was notorious for doing all kinds of...
438
00:32:34,485 --> 00:32:37,921
which actually was part
of what made his music, his music.
439
00:32:38,156 --> 00:32:41,057
It's kind of rough
because you know he's...
440
00:32:41,225 --> 00:32:46,162
got no idea, no concept of chord
changes or where they come...
441
00:32:46,397 --> 00:32:48,888
or anything like that, so you
really have to be on your toes...
442
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:52,331
all you really have to know
was the key of E and...
443
00:32:52,937 --> 00:32:56,668
just watch carefully
also like intuitively feel...
444
00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:58,766
where he was going
to make the changes.
445
00:32:59,010 --> 00:33:03,413
But John Lee wouldn't give you a clue,
you had to hear it and feel it.
446
00:33:04,282 --> 00:33:07,274
But that was the magic
of the original Delta blues...
447
00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:09,749
because they'd just change
whenever they felt like it...
448
00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:11,752
they weren't limited
to a structure...
449
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:14,087
but to play with these guys
was an education...
450
00:33:14,258 --> 00:33:16,749
because they took us right
back to the roots again.
451
00:33:19,964 --> 00:33:22,762
Love letters straight
452
00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:25,859
From your heart
453
00:33:30,708 --> 00:33:34,007
Keep us so near
454
00:33:34,245 --> 00:33:36,975
While apart
455
00:33:41,486 --> 00:33:43,920
I'm not alone
456
00:33:45,056 --> 00:33:47,923
In the night
457
00:33:52,397 --> 00:33:54,763
When I can have
458
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,267
All the love you write
459
00:34:03,508 --> 00:34:06,170
I memorize
460
00:34:08,012 --> 00:34:10,173
Every line
461
00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:16,882
And I kiss the name
462
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:22,758
That you sign
463
00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:28,596
And darling then
464
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:33,928
I read againRight from the start
465
00:34:36,107 --> 00:34:39,406
Love letters straight
466
00:34:39,644 --> 00:34:42,738
From your heart
467
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,504
I'm not alone
468
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:16,073
In the night
469
00:35:19,884 --> 00:35:22,682
When I can have
470
00:35:23,821 --> 00:35:28,918
All the love you write
471
00:35:31,162 --> 00:35:33,995
I memorize
472
00:35:34,532 --> 00:35:36,397
Every line
473
00:35:41,873 --> 00:35:44,068
And I kiss the name
474
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:51,605
That you sign
475
00:35:52,817 --> 00:35:55,547
And darling then
476
00:35:56,354 --> 00:36:02,520
I read againRight from the start
477
00:36:03,661 --> 00:36:06,186
Love letters straight
478
00:36:07,331 --> 00:36:13,201
From your heart
479
00:36:28,553 --> 00:36:31,021
- That was the best, wasn't it?
- Yeah, it was.
480
00:36:31,155 --> 00:36:32,315
That was gorgeous.
481
00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:35,186
Jumpin' with my boss Sid in the city
482
00:36:35,259 --> 00:36:40,060
Jumpin' with my boss Sid in the cityMr. President of the DJ committee
483
00:36:40,464 --> 00:36:43,922
So I'd heard all that before we started
working down the Flamingo, so...
484
00:36:44,068 --> 00:36:47,526
we had some of that kind of stuff and
a bit of Ray Charles under our belts...
485
00:36:47,705 --> 00:36:49,263
so when we started down
the Flamingo and...
486
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:52,741
all the black American G I's were in to
there they thought, "this is home, boy".
487
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:57,276
I could go to the West End to the
Sin Club when I was fifteen years old...
488
00:36:57,481 --> 00:36:59,813
and to the Flamingo when I was
seventeen, eighteen years old.
489
00:37:00,017 --> 00:37:03,919
We landed ourselves a job
round the corner at the Flamingo Club...
490
00:37:04,088 --> 00:37:05,783
which was a jazz club...
491
00:37:05,957 --> 00:37:07,857
but on weekendsit was rented out by a guy...
492
00:37:07,925 --> 00:37:10,393
that later became our manager,his name was Rick Gone.
493
00:37:10,795 --> 00:37:14,253
And Rick used to put on all nightsessions as a jazz club...
494
00:37:14,398 --> 00:37:16,298
with an R and B bandplaying for dancing.
495
00:37:16,367 --> 00:37:18,858
The place was really frequented
by Black American GI's...
496
00:37:18,936 --> 00:37:21,461
that were stationed over here
in the Air Force.
497
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:24,765
The best place and the place that
I was scared to go...
498
00:37:24,942 --> 00:37:27,809
until I actually was in bands
was the Flamingo.
499
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:42,557
One night it would be Larry Williamson,
John Guitar Watson...
500
00:37:42,727 --> 00:37:45,059
next night would be John Lee Hooker,
next night, Howlin' Wolf.
501
00:37:45,162 --> 00:37:49,565
There was a great sort of West Indian
contingent and night people...
502
00:37:49,734 --> 00:37:52,168
club people, that worked
in other clubs until three am...
503
00:37:52,236 --> 00:37:53,635
and they'd come down
to the Flamingo...
504
00:37:53,704 --> 00:37:55,535
'cause we'd start at midnight
and end at six am...
505
00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:56,698
every Friday, every Saturday...
506
00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:59,434
and on Sundays play afternoonsessions...
507
00:37:59,510 --> 00:38:02,274
for the stragglers that couldn'tget back to base.
508
00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:06,246
Next weekend would be Chuck Berry,
Nina Simone.
509
00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:08,510
You could go and see
all these people...
510
00:38:08,586 --> 00:38:10,884
and sit there
and actually learn your trade.
511
00:38:24,035 --> 00:38:27,402
Please write my mama
512
00:38:31,642 --> 00:38:35,373
Tell her the shape I'm in
513
00:38:41,786 --> 00:38:46,416
Please
514
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:48,981
Write my mama
515
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:56,759
And tell her the shape I'm in
516
00:39:00,471 --> 00:39:05,670
And tell her to pray for me
517
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:13,544
And forgive me for my sins
518
00:39:26,797 --> 00:39:28,924
The Flamingo was
an established Jazz club.
519
00:39:28,999 --> 00:39:32,628
There was a small, there was
a baby grand piano in there...
520
00:39:32,803 --> 00:39:34,100
for the jazz musicians.
521
00:39:34,271 --> 00:39:38,264
They wouldn't let me play it because
I was playing Fats Domino.
522
00:39:38,442 --> 00:39:41,275
It was just a sweaty place that
never seemed to close...
523
00:39:41,479 --> 00:39:43,071
particularly in the hours of darkness.
524
00:39:43,347 --> 00:39:47,909
People like John Mayall would drive
down from Manchester on a weekend...
525
00:39:48,152 --> 00:39:51,644
to hang out in the club and play
in the club and sit in at the club...
526
00:39:51,822 --> 00:39:55,952
before John got the chance to bring his
own musicians down from Manchester.
527
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:57,857
It was primarily a black club,
you know.
528
00:39:57,928 --> 00:40:02,422
It was like mostly West Indians would go
in there maybe to listen to blue beat...
529
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,659
or Ska or jazz or whatever.
530
00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:10,803
It was all night, it was nice, most
nights I think it'd go pretty late...
531
00:40:10,941 --> 00:40:13,671
and on the weekends it'd be all night
and people would get hurt.
532
00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:37,165
You could do ten gigs a week, you know,just based around the Flamingo...
533
00:40:37,368 --> 00:40:38,733
and just around the London area.
534
00:40:38,936 --> 00:40:41,461
- Was it always pretty full?
- Oh yeah, it was packed out.
535
00:40:41,539 --> 00:40:44,235
There was a great Jamaican disc jockeycalled Count Suckle who had...
536
00:40:44,308 --> 00:40:46,799
a Jamaican clubin Carnaby Street...
537
00:40:47,011 --> 00:40:49,878
of all places they called it"The Roaring Twenties"...
538
00:40:50,014 --> 00:40:53,108
and it was just a Jamaican club.We opened it as a band with...
539
00:40:53,317 --> 00:40:57,651
Count Suckle's records and Suckle hadthis fantastic record collection...
540
00:40:57,888 --> 00:41:00,721
James Brown's "Night Train,"he had the mixture...
541
00:41:00,791 --> 00:41:02,725
he had a great source in Memphis...
542
00:41:02,893 --> 00:41:05,657
who used to sendall the black American imports...
543
00:41:05,729 --> 00:41:08,061
and plus he hadall the West Indian stuff.
544
00:41:08,232 --> 00:41:14,296
The roaring twenties seeing a lot of the
ska music in the early days... Flamingo.
545
00:41:14,538 --> 00:41:16,369
We was in the Flamingoone night playing...
546
00:41:16,574 --> 00:41:18,098
and someone said to me...
547
00:41:18,175 --> 00:41:22,475
"Did you see that black guy
sitting in the front of the row looking".
548
00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:24,807
Well there all black there, all Gis.
549
00:41:24,982 --> 00:41:28,713
I say: "They are all black, GI's, they
come down for the weekend, you know?"
550
00:41:28,919 --> 00:41:33,185
"No, it's Otis Redding." I say:
"Go away, Otis Redding. Get off."
551
00:41:33,357 --> 00:41:36,724
I'm sitting in the dressing room, the
door opens and Otis Redding walks in.
552
00:41:36,894 --> 00:41:40,921
Comes up to me and says:
"You are a great singer".
553
00:41:41,098 --> 00:41:44,932
I says: "Oh, dear me,
it's Otis Redding, it is.
554
00:41:45,202 --> 00:41:46,897
"So, Otis, how you doing?"
555
00:41:47,037 --> 00:41:50,200
He said: "I want you to be on my...
I'm doing a TV show next week...
556
00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:53,071
called 'Ready, Steady, Go',
he said: "I want you to be my guest".
557
00:41:54,144 --> 00:41:57,477
And I say: "pinch me",
I think, this is one night, you know?
558
00:41:57,615 --> 00:42:02,143
I've been loving you
559
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,449
Too long
560
00:42:09,059 --> 00:42:12,324
To stop now
561
00:42:13,931 --> 00:42:16,092
My manager and I opened
the club in Brixton...
562
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:17,995
called the Ramjam Club.
563
00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:23,133
And I saw Otis, I saw that Stax review
on a Sunday afternoon...
564
00:42:23,307 --> 00:42:28,370
I biked over, I cycled from Chelsea
over the river to Brixton...
565
00:42:28,512 --> 00:42:30,912
to see that Sunday afternoon
session. It was fantastic.
566
00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:35,117
Very exciting. Because I come from
Guilford, you know, country boy...
567
00:42:35,352 --> 00:42:36,319
coming up...
568
00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:40,618
and probably sleeping on the Charing
Cross Station and stuff like that.
569
00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:42,658
But very exciting.
570
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:44,760
And I hated the name
Georgie Fame...
571
00:42:44,962 --> 00:42:47,829
because I been saddled
with this name by Larry Ponds...
572
00:42:47,998 --> 00:42:52,560
as one of his exotic
rock 'n ' roll stable of singers.
573
00:42:52,736 --> 00:42:55,534
But when we went down to Flamingo
and the GI's are saying...
574
00:42:55,806 --> 00:42:59,298
"Hey, Fame motha"',
It sounded ok, it sounded hip.
575
00:42:59,376 --> 00:43:00,866
And in return
576
00:43:02,112 --> 00:43:04,979
You could give up yoursBefore we think
577
00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:07,809
Straight?
Okay, I need to look you in the eyes.
578
00:43:07,885 --> 00:43:10,353
What would we do later on?
579
00:43:14,625 --> 00:43:17,560
What kind of life would we have
580
00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:21,754
Just in case we both were wrong?
581
00:43:25,235 --> 00:43:27,135
I'd give up my woman
582
00:43:27,972 --> 00:43:30,065
You'd give your man
583
00:43:30,307 --> 00:43:32,605
But it don't make sense to
584
00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:36,970
The whole thing kind of took off for me
when I met John Mayall.
585
00:43:37,181 --> 00:43:40,639
I mean, I had already got
a long way down the road...
586
00:43:40,818 --> 00:43:43,685
but he had a massive
collection of records.
587
00:43:43,887 --> 00:43:48,950
Lived in Blackheath I lived in a sort
of wardrobe in the top of his house...
588
00:43:49,026 --> 00:43:51,859
and I would spend all day just
going through his record collection...
589
00:43:51,929 --> 00:43:55,092
listening to stuff and deciding what
the band was gonna play, God bless him.
590
00:43:55,232 --> 00:43:59,601
I know you told me
591
00:43:59,770 --> 00:44:01,203
I'll play.
592
00:44:03,207 --> 00:44:06,233
Yeah, we need lyrics, if we're gonna
do this again we need lyrics.
593
00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:07,675
That you want me
594
00:44:07,845 --> 00:44:09,608
That you want me
595
00:44:10,514 --> 00:44:14,746
I was off listening to Ray Charles
and Mose Allison...
596
00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:17,545
and then I started to hear people
like Oscar Brown Jr.
597
00:44:17,788 --> 00:44:19,813
There was a Muddy Waters EP...
598
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:23,221
I think there was
a Little Walter EP.
599
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,891
Then maybe Josh White.
600
00:44:25,129 --> 00:44:26,687
Josh White? Yeah.
601
00:44:26,764 --> 00:44:30,222
As a matter of fact Josh White
singing "House of the Rising Sun".
602
00:44:30,434 --> 00:44:31,867
- Really.
- Yeah.
603
00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:33,663
B-side was "Strange Fruit".
604
00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:37,101
And Art college kids who
were these enthusiasts...
605
00:44:37,274 --> 00:44:42,769
so they would take me down
to record shops and give me records.
606
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:46,108
And when I heard Sarah Vaughn,
she was my favorite.
607
00:44:46,283 --> 00:44:48,843
Jeri Southern was my favorite
jazz singer.
608
00:44:49,053 --> 00:44:52,352
I started to hear some
of the early Vee-Jay recordings.
609
00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:54,582
John Lee Hooker, Jimmie Reed.
610
00:44:54,792 --> 00:44:58,387
Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley,
Chuck Berry, Little Richard.
611
00:44:58,562 --> 00:45:01,759
Great guitar players,
that was what really caught my ear.
612
00:45:01,932 --> 00:45:04,594
It was Cliff Gallup
with Gene Vincent...
613
00:45:05,169 --> 00:45:07,865
James Burton who played
with Ricky Nelson.
614
00:45:08,072 --> 00:45:10,700
Sonnie Terry, Brownie McGhee,
Lightnin' Hopkins...
615
00:45:10,908 --> 00:45:14,173
and of course Ray Charles
who was a big discovery.
616
00:45:14,278 --> 00:45:18,078
- My mother told me
- My mother told me
617
00:45:21,452 --> 00:45:25,218
- Before she passed away
- Before she passed away
618
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:29,491
- Said son when I'm gone
- Said son when I'm gone
619
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:31,786
- Don't forget to pray
- Don't forget to pray
620
00:45:31,862 --> 00:45:35,798
- 'Cause there'll be hard times
- There'll be hard times
621
00:45:36,467 --> 00:45:39,300
- Hard times
- Hard times
622
00:45:39,503 --> 00:45:41,437
- Oh yeah?
- Oh yeah?
623
00:45:41,638 --> 00:45:43,868
- Who knows
- Who knows
624
00:45:44,141 --> 00:45:45,904
- Better than I?
- Better than I?
625
00:45:45,976 --> 00:45:48,444
And so I got caught up
with Monk and Mingus...
626
00:45:48,512 --> 00:45:50,810
and all of those guys
in the same period...
627
00:45:50,981 --> 00:45:53,609
and was listening to it all
at the same time.
628
00:45:54,118 --> 00:45:57,315
And I would buy a John Lee Hooker album
on Riverside and someone...
629
00:45:57,521 --> 00:45:59,716
you know,
a Lee Morgan album on Riverside...
630
00:45:59,957 --> 00:46:03,654
and it all to me it was all,
it was all the same thing.
631
00:46:03,727 --> 00:46:05,456
I had a woman, Lord
632
00:46:05,529 --> 00:46:08,760
- Who was always around
- Who was always around
633
00:46:08,966 --> 00:46:11,662
- You know he's gone up the octave.
- But when I lost my money
634
00:46:11,735 --> 00:46:14,704
- But when I lost my money
- She put me down
635
00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:16,239
- Yes, save it, save it.
- She put me down
636
00:46:16,306 --> 00:46:19,742
After that, I heard Lead Belly
and Lonnie Johnson.
637
00:46:19,943 --> 00:46:21,934
In my collection I had
a whole lot of people.
638
00:46:22,146 --> 00:46:24,706
I had Mahalia Jackson
in the gospel field...
639
00:46:24,882 --> 00:46:28,010
and John Lee Hooker,
Memphis Slim, Muddy Waters.
640
00:46:28,152 --> 00:46:30,450
Canal Street Blues.
Dippermouth Blues".
641
00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:32,953
- So I bought those as well...
- As long as it had blues in it?
642
00:46:33,023 --> 00:46:35,116
Yeah, as long as it had
the name blues on it, I bought it.
643
00:46:35,292 --> 00:46:37,852
We would find
some list somewhere...
644
00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:40,259
or some American record store...
645
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:44,059
where we could write off and get lists
of stuff and we'd kind of take potluck.
646
00:46:44,301 --> 00:46:48,032
I got it through a vintage magazine
called Vintage Jazz Mart...
647
00:46:48,238 --> 00:46:52,197
which was a for sale or auction thing,
you know, private collectors.
648
00:46:52,576 --> 00:46:54,806
I mainly got them,
got them through there.
649
00:46:54,978 --> 00:46:58,539
The first long playing record I ever
owned as a 14, 15 year old kid...
650
00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:03,014
was a Fats Domino LP with a lot
of great tunes on it, you know.
651
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:08,749
I'm goin' to the riverGonna jump all board and drown
652
00:47:09,059 --> 00:47:13,052
My parents bought me
a record player one Christmas...
653
00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:17,233
and there was two records
that came with it...
654
00:47:17,734 --> 00:47:20,726
and they came via
a seaman who lived downstairs to me...
655
00:47:20,904 --> 00:47:22,394
and was always going to the US.
656
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:26,939
You know if somebody had been to America
they'd always bring back a blueser.
657
00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:30,747
I was given some blues records,
three or four blues albums...
658
00:47:30,747 --> 00:47:35,081
and I was studying those, and taking,
finding out what I liked.
659
00:47:41,992 --> 00:47:44,984
Oh, tell me baby
660
00:47:45,262 --> 00:47:46,957
Oh, tell me baby
661
00:47:48,465 --> 00:47:50,160
Stay that night
662
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,198
But don't you hear me crying
663
00:48:04,781 --> 00:48:09,184
At art school somebody turned me on to
the Folk Festival of the Blues album"...
664
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,618
with Buddy playing just
the most amazing stuff.
665
00:48:12,856 --> 00:48:14,847
O disco de Muddy Waters,
Buddy Guy, Howlin Wolf...
666
00:48:14,925 --> 00:48:16,586
blue, dark blue cover...
667
00:48:16,793 --> 00:48:20,991
Sonny Boy Williamson, Sonny BoyWilliamson sings "Bring It On Home"...
668
00:48:21,198 --> 00:48:23,257
and um Howlin' Wolf sings"Sugar Mama"...
669
00:48:23,767 --> 00:48:26,497
and that's got Buddy Guy on it
singing "Worried Blues"...
670
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,502
and "Don't Know Which Way to Go".
671
00:50:30,427 --> 00:50:33,954
Booker T and the MG's "Green Onions".
I'd never heard that...
672
00:50:34,297 --> 00:50:35,730
that style of playing.
673
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:40,066
It just happens to be that record
is a milestone in most rock 'n' roll.
674
00:50:40,337 --> 00:50:42,703
We used to have record listening
parties, you know on...
675
00:50:42,873 --> 00:50:46,673
on Saturday nights and go
all the way through the night...
676
00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:49,843
just listening to all,
'cause I used to get...
677
00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:51,608
this is when LP's were around...
678
00:50:51,681 --> 00:50:54,115
and I used to get
the American imports...
679
00:50:54,284 --> 00:50:57,481
and get all the latest Horace
Silver stuff, and Erroll Garner...
680
00:50:57,754 --> 00:50:59,847
Cannonball Adderley
and all these things...
681
00:50:59,923 --> 00:51:02,357
cause we knew what they...
with the cardboard covers.
682
00:51:03,427 --> 00:51:05,657
The cardboard was thick.
683
00:51:06,363 --> 00:51:08,126
This is the real thing, you know...
684
00:51:08,198 --> 00:51:10,996
and all the Prestige stuff,
and the Riverside, you know?
685
00:51:11,234 --> 00:51:16,536
- Sitting on top of the world
- Sitting on top of the world
686
00:51:18,775 --> 00:51:20,709
Yeah, there's an extra...
687
00:51:21,111 --> 00:51:23,944
it's like an extra bar,
an extra two bars.
688
00:51:24,614 --> 00:51:27,447
That's Wolf playing harmonica,
I think.
689
00:51:27,584 --> 00:51:31,281
Then he used it's James Cotton,
Little Walter.
690
00:51:31,621 --> 00:51:33,054
Yeah...
691
00:51:35,392 --> 00:51:37,257
Little Walter, yeah.
692
00:51:40,897 --> 00:51:45,493
Sitting on top of the world
693
00:51:45,802 --> 00:51:49,499
Another great source was
American Forces Network.
694
00:51:49,673 --> 00:51:51,800
Again every house had
a pretty good radio and...
695
00:51:52,042 --> 00:51:56,035
you could tune into AFN which
was beamed from Frankfurt.
696
00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:58,977
I used to hear
the American Forces Network...
697
00:51:59,149 --> 00:52:00,616
they had their own radio program.
698
00:52:00,884 --> 00:52:04,183
This is Willis Conover,
from Washington D. C...
699
00:52:04,354 --> 00:52:06,720
and like for us, Washington D.C.
Was another planet.
700
00:52:06,923 --> 00:52:12,259
So I got, you know, all day this great
input of American folk music.
701
00:52:12,395 --> 00:52:15,762
I used to send requests for jazz records
into the March of Dimes, into the AFN...
702
00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:17,627
Bunk Johnson and Kid Ory
and Louis Armstrong.
703
00:52:21,304 --> 00:52:23,636
They call it stormy Monday
704
00:52:24,808 --> 00:52:27,971
They tell Tuesday's just as bad
705
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:32,172
Yes, they do
706
00:52:34,584 --> 00:52:37,610
They call it stormy Monday
707
00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:42,616
They tell Tuesday's just as bad
708
00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:52,096
They tell me Wednesday is no good
709
00:52:52,936 --> 00:52:56,531
And Thursday's just as sad
710
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,508
Stormy Monday Blues
Part I and Part II.
711
00:52:59,709 --> 00:53:02,769
We were doing a session
for Chris Blackwell...
712
00:53:02,946 --> 00:53:05,346
from Island Records,
Guy Stevens...
713
00:53:05,949 --> 00:53:08,349
and while they were setting up
all the equipment...
714
00:53:08,418 --> 00:53:11,251
and all that, they just said to us
just play a couple of numbers...
715
00:53:11,421 --> 00:53:13,184
so we can get the mics all tested out...
716
00:53:13,256 --> 00:53:15,690
and we just did
Stormy Monday Blues.
717
00:53:15,892 --> 00:53:19,225
And then we did some other things,
and then a couple of months later...
718
00:53:19,462 --> 00:53:23,125
I saw this come out under Little
Joe Cook and I thought...
719
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,998
they never told me it was gonna
be under Little Joe Cook...
720
00:53:26,169 --> 00:53:28,137
they never did in those days
it was just it, you know.
721
00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:30,696
The eagle flies on a Friday
722
00:53:32,375 --> 00:53:34,707
And on Saturday
723
00:53:34,778 --> 00:53:37,144
I go out to play
724
00:53:44,721 --> 00:53:47,383
The eagle flies on Friday
725
00:53:49,659 --> 00:53:53,595
And on Saturday I go out to play
726
00:53:53,797 --> 00:53:57,255
And then Vicki Wickham got a hold
of it with Ready, Steady, Go...
727
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:59,525
and she got in touch with
the office the Rick Gunn office...
728
00:53:59,703 --> 00:54:03,833
and said: "We'd like to book Little
Joe Cook for Ready Steady Go"...
729
00:54:04,007 --> 00:54:07,443
and they said: He's not available",
and they said: "Why not?
730
00:54:07,677 --> 00:54:09,042
We can't get in touch with him".
731
00:54:09,112 --> 00:54:11,273
And then, they got in touch
with Island Records and said...
732
00:54:11,348 --> 00:54:14,181
"We want this guy on". But when
I said it was Chris Farlowe...
733
00:54:14,351 --> 00:54:17,912
you couldn't have your Joe Cook 'cause
it's a pseudonym for Chris Farlowe...
734
00:54:18,088 --> 00:54:21,489
they didn't believe it, they said:
Come on, come on, don't be silly.
735
00:54:21,858 --> 00:54:23,621
And it was us,
me and Albert and the band.
736
00:54:23,793 --> 00:54:27,354
'Cause I like to sing the blues
737
00:54:28,632 --> 00:54:32,090
I also like to sing the rock 'n rolls
738
00:54:33,236 --> 00:54:35,363
Let's hear some guitar playing
in here.
739
00:54:52,355 --> 00:54:55,756
And I was in America
a little while ago, last year...
740
00:54:56,326 --> 00:55:00,456
and I was introduced to a guy,
a black blues musician...
741
00:55:00,530 --> 00:55:01,963
forgot his name now.
742
00:55:02,499 --> 00:55:03,898
Well known.
743
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,568
The guy said: "I'd like to introduce
you to an English singer"...
744
00:55:06,736 --> 00:55:09,034
he said: "Yeah? What's his name?"
He said: "Chris Farlowe."
745
00:55:09,205 --> 00:55:14,233
He said: "Chris Farlowe?"Damn,
I know two Chris Farlowes".
746
00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:17,109
And I looked at him, I said:
"Two Chris Farlowes?"
747
00:55:17,247 --> 00:55:22,844
He said: "Yeah, you're Chris Farlowe
and I know another Chris Farlowe...
748
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:25,485
he sang Stormy Monday Blues".
749
00:55:25,655 --> 00:55:27,452
And I said: "That's me."
750
00:55:27,924 --> 00:55:31,690
And he looks at me and he went:
"No, no, this guy's black".
751
00:55:32,062 --> 00:55:45,908
And wherever round I'm gonna doThey call it Stormy Monday Blues
752
00:55:48,278 --> 00:55:50,906
So this has been a very important
record for me and...
753
00:55:51,147 --> 00:55:52,546
I think for all of us...
754
00:55:52,716 --> 00:55:57,085
'cause it's regarded as one of the great
blues records ever made in England.
755
00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:37,693
You know, I started
with a cheap acoustic...
756
00:56:37,861 --> 00:56:40,261
I played a year borrowing guitars
from friends...
757
00:56:40,330 --> 00:56:42,560
whatever I could get my hands
on, you know...
758
00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:47,226
but then, the first decent
guitar was 1958, I think...
759
00:56:47,370 --> 00:56:53,400
Christmas of '58 my folks
bought me a H�fner Archtop guitar.
760
00:56:53,743 --> 00:56:55,870
About eleven, twelve...
761
00:56:56,946 --> 00:57:00,109
with a two string guitar,
I couldn't afford the other strings.
762
00:57:01,985 --> 00:57:04,419
But it was a shop made guitar,
which is good...
763
00:57:05,722 --> 00:57:08,054
hard to believe
when you looked at it, but it was.
764
00:57:08,324 --> 00:57:11,122
I took up the guitar
when I was about nine.
765
00:57:11,928 --> 00:57:17,332
I had... I guess I would have had
a H�fner Senator... H�fner Senator.
766
00:57:17,534 --> 00:57:22,699
It was an acoustic, but acoustic guitar,
we used to stick microphones behind it.
767
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,942
And then put that through sometimes
a homemade amplifier.
768
00:57:28,178 --> 00:57:30,009
I started off on ukulele...
769
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,105
because the action on my father's
guitar was so high...
770
00:57:33,316 --> 00:57:36,808
you needed a pair of pliers
to press the strings down, you know, so.
771
00:57:37,153 --> 00:57:38,780
So ukulele was what
I started off with...
772
00:57:38,988 --> 00:57:41,923
the George Formby
do-it-yourself method.
773
00:58:11,221 --> 00:58:15,749
I bought my first guitar, a Spanish
guitar with steel strings on them...
774
00:58:16,025 --> 00:58:17,219
got the bridge off.
775
00:58:17,427 --> 00:58:20,760
Somebody brought me back to his house
and played me some Lonnie Johnson.
776
00:58:20,897 --> 00:58:22,524
I thought it was the best thing
I ever heard.
777
00:58:22,832 --> 00:58:26,996
I think the first electric guitar
I had was a H�fner.
778
00:58:27,303 --> 00:58:31,069
And then I bought myself a solid with
three pick-ups and a tremolo...
779
00:58:31,274 --> 00:58:34,334
and I thought it was the same guitar
that Buddy Holly played...
780
00:58:34,377 --> 00:58:38,711
turned out it was a cheap imitation,
it was a Grazioso or something.
781
00:58:47,757 --> 00:58:50,487
When I went in the army
and was in Korea...
782
00:58:50,660 --> 00:58:55,256
I bought a twelve... a six string guitar,
and I had the bottom two strings.
783
00:58:55,565 --> 00:58:57,123
Harmony.
784
00:58:57,333 --> 00:58:58,698
I had a couple of Harmonys...
785
00:58:58,902 --> 00:59:03,202
one was a semi-acoustic one,
and one was more of a solid.
786
00:59:03,506 --> 00:59:05,440
Eric Clapton brought
the Gibson...
787
00:59:05,608 --> 00:59:07,098
into me anyway.
It was a Les Paul.
788
00:59:07,277 --> 00:59:11,441
There was a Gretch Eddie Cochran,
what did he play...
789
00:59:11,581 --> 00:59:14,744
Eddie Cochran it was a Gretsch,
it was Gretsch or maybe a Gibson...
790
00:59:14,884 --> 00:59:15,851
it was a Gretsch.
791
00:59:16,085 --> 00:59:19,452
I mean, you couldn't get a hold
of American instruments at that time...
792
00:59:19,622 --> 00:59:21,852
you just got...
you bought what you could, you know.
793
00:59:22,191 --> 00:59:26,651
It was an actual finish color and they
called it cherry...
794
00:59:26,763 --> 00:59:28,663
the color was cherry,
but it used to fade...
795
00:59:28,731 --> 00:59:32,633
and it'd look like there was a lot of
finish actually involved in that guitar.
796
00:59:32,969 --> 00:59:36,496
There were some other
odd kind of European makes which...
797
00:59:36,673 --> 00:59:40,837
sometimes if you if you cranked
that through an amp...
798
00:59:41,044 --> 00:59:42,909
you actually got
quite an interesting sound.
799
00:59:43,146 --> 00:59:46,013
We only had an old Vox amplifier,
it was a lovely old thing.
800
00:59:46,215 --> 00:59:48,877
A great big light on it,
like an ignition light.
801
00:59:49,152 --> 00:59:52,451
Scotty Moore's Guitar playing on
"Trying to get to you"...
802
00:59:52,689 --> 00:59:55,385
Leiber and Stoller,
you know "My Baby Left Me".
803
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,355
I loved Scotty Moore's
guitar playing...
804
00:59:57,427 --> 01:00:00,453
I'd have liked... if I was a blues person,
nothing else, I really would try...
805
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:02,623
and take it up
with Scotty Moore somehow.
806
01:00:12,709 --> 01:00:15,644
The first time I heard it that way
was with Freddie King...
807
01:00:15,745 --> 01:00:19,442
and I had or a friend
had "Hideaway", on the single...
808
01:00:19,716 --> 01:00:24,744
but the single had the other B side
of "Hideaway" was "I Loved the Woman"...
809
01:00:25,021 --> 01:00:28,320
with a guitar solo in it
that was single note...
810
01:00:28,491 --> 01:00:30,823
and bend lots of
bending things and...
811
01:00:30,994 --> 01:00:34,395
but and almost kind of rhapsodic
in its composition.
812
01:00:34,564 --> 01:00:39,433
It was perfect, and that became
the new Holy Grail, you know, for me.
813
01:00:42,672 --> 01:00:45,106
You would hear these records doing
all these bends...
814
01:00:45,274 --> 01:00:47,242
and you would say
how are they doing that?
815
01:00:47,410 --> 01:00:51,369
Then we eventually figured out they had,
you know, they had very light strings.
816
01:00:51,614 --> 01:00:54,549
Well, they were bending strings,
you know, way back in the...
817
01:00:54,951 --> 01:00:56,179
Johnny Otis and the...
818
01:00:56,386 --> 01:00:58,513
you know Johnny Otis...
819
01:00:59,155 --> 01:01:00,816
what everyone...
820
01:01:02,625 --> 01:01:04,593
and right in the middle of it he goes...
821
01:01:05,061 --> 01:01:08,792
well, I thought: "That's it! That's what
I want to do for the rest of my life".
822
01:01:09,332 --> 01:01:12,699
Milk Cow blues and I don't know
who wrote that or recorded that...
823
01:01:12,835 --> 01:01:14,700
because Eddie Cochran
was the first guy I heard it...
824
01:01:14,871 --> 01:01:17,897
and he had a kind of T-Bone Walker
introduction on guitar.
825
01:01:23,846 --> 01:01:26,906
And I thought: "That's real
blues guitar playing".
826
01:01:28,751 --> 01:01:31,549
You could tell that there was something
going on there... it wasn't...
827
01:01:32,288 --> 01:01:33,880
it was...
828
01:01:34,557 --> 01:01:37,492
a major sort of minor major bend.
829
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:48,502
I would take the guitar every time
I pick it up and trill my hand.
830
01:01:49,238 --> 01:01:52,071
A lot of the kids think
I push up and down...
831
01:01:52,275 --> 01:01:53,765
but I don't,
I just trill like that.
832
01:02:16,466 --> 01:02:19,435
Everybody knows I'm here
833
01:02:23,172 --> 01:02:26,164
Now, knows I'm here, man
834
01:02:27,210 --> 01:02:30,179
Everybody knows I'm here
835
01:03:05,348 --> 01:03:07,509
And then when Alexis Korner
and Cyril Davies...
836
01:03:07,583 --> 01:03:10,143
kinda kicked off the thing
at the Marquee...
837
01:03:11,187 --> 01:03:14,520
mainly an experimental
type of situation...
838
01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:18,720
really in the trad-dominated
club world.
839
01:03:18,995 --> 01:03:22,396
When Alexis formed the new
"Blues Incorporated"...
840
01:03:22,698 --> 01:03:25,758
he took Graham Bond,
Dick Heckstall-Smith...
841
01:03:25,935 --> 01:03:28,028
Ginger Baker,
and Jack Bruce with him...
842
01:03:28,237 --> 01:03:31,638
and they were all part of the regular
Friday night jam session, jazz group...
843
01:03:31,707 --> 01:03:32,639
at the Flamingo club.
844
01:03:55,464 --> 01:03:59,491
And it was that thing of seeing a guy,
an English guy playing electric...
845
01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:03,662
the first English guy I saw playing
the electric guitar was when Alexis...
846
01:04:03,973 --> 01:04:08,410
I picked up the "Melody Maker" one day
and the headline was, you know...
847
01:04:09,278 --> 01:04:14,181
Alexis brings amps into...
into the club...
848
01:04:14,250 --> 01:04:16,582
and you know this deafening noise...
849
01:04:16,652 --> 01:04:19,780
which in actual fact was probablyone Marshall amplifier.
850
01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:21,949
I'm gonna make you pretty women
851
01:04:22,391 --> 01:04:24,359
Lead me by my hand
852
01:04:24,894 --> 01:04:26,862
Till the world will know
853
01:04:27,063 --> 01:04:28,690
The hoochie coochie man
854
01:04:29,031 --> 01:04:30,521
- And he had a Kay and I got a Kay...
- Right.
855
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:35,535
And covered it in Fablon cause
I didn't like, black Fablon...
856
01:04:35,671 --> 01:04:38,003
because I didn't like the, the color.
857
01:04:38,908 --> 01:04:40,535
When Eric Clapton
came in the band...
858
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:43,477
of course that revolutionized
the whole thing...
859
01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:47,549
because he was a person who knew
the music thoroughly...
860
01:04:47,683 --> 01:04:49,844
and knew the feel of it,
had the right touch...
861
01:04:49,919 --> 01:04:51,887
that nobody else seemed to have
at that time.
862
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:12,103
I thought Claptonwas a great blues player.
863
01:05:12,341 --> 01:05:15,868
I didn't think he was God,
despite what people wrote on walls.
864
01:05:16,078 --> 01:05:18,478
But "Clapton is God",
they used to write.
865
01:05:18,648 --> 01:05:20,809
I don't know what God
thought about it, but...
866
01:05:21,050 --> 01:05:23,245
he was a very good blues player.
867
01:05:23,552 --> 01:05:27,215
I had a little following from a band
called the Yardbirds, you know...
868
01:05:27,423 --> 01:05:29,914
and I left in a very public way,
you know...
869
01:05:29,992 --> 01:05:32,620
sort of threw my toys out of
the pram...
870
01:05:32,795 --> 01:05:36,026
because they wanted a hit and...
871
01:05:36,198 --> 01:05:40,862
and I was very conscious of having
a mission, like a blues mission.
872
01:05:41,337 --> 01:05:43,828
And so I kinda said:
"Well, I'm quitting. You know? I'm out".
873
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:45,940
And then John asked me to join.
874
01:05:46,142 --> 01:05:49,737
I had a 3 week period or a month where
I wasn't sure what I was gonna do...
875
01:05:49,879 --> 01:05:53,280
- and then John called me.
- Where had the mission come from?
876
01:05:55,217 --> 01:05:57,481
Interesting, I don't know.
I don't know.
877
01:05:57,653 --> 01:05:59,314
I felt like...
878
01:05:59,822 --> 01:06:03,223
I was convinced that some point
in my teens...
879
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,486
that if I didn't
do it no one would...
880
01:06:05,695 --> 01:06:09,324
or that someone had to do it and I was,
I'd been chosen, you know?
881
01:06:09,498 --> 01:06:10,556
- Really?
- Yeah.
882
01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:14,134
- You were so passionate about it?
- Yeah! And arrogant, too...
883
01:06:14,303 --> 01:06:18,205
I was like the self-appointed ambassador
of blues music to this country...
884
01:06:18,374 --> 01:06:20,774
and was very judgmental
about anybody who wasn't doing it...
885
01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:22,501
the way I thought it should be done.
886
01:06:22,745 --> 01:06:25,942
The early sixties there was
absolutely no acceptance...
887
01:06:26,015 --> 01:06:27,744
of any other kind of music...
888
01:06:27,883 --> 01:06:32,047
I mean I know now people get degrees
in jazz and all other kinds of things.
889
01:06:32,154 --> 01:06:37,649
But in the early sixties, I distinctly
remember being asked at music college...
890
01:06:37,893 --> 01:06:39,554
what kind of music I liked...
891
01:06:39,895 --> 01:06:45,663
and so I said: Well, I do like Paul
Hindemith and lgor Stravinsky...
892
01:06:45,835 --> 01:06:49,896
but I also like Fats Domino
and Ray Charles...
893
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,371
and the teacher said...
894
01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:57,705
"Well you've got a choice:
Either forget about that or go".
895
01:06:57,980 --> 01:07:02,144
We arrived at Birmingham University to
play at one of these university dances...
896
01:07:02,551 --> 01:07:04,849
one of our first gigs
outside of London, I think...
897
01:07:05,054 --> 01:07:08,820
and we're carrying the gear upstairs to
get to the place where we're playing...
898
01:07:09,025 --> 01:07:12,119
and there was a band onstage already,
and it was The Spencer Davis Group...
899
01:07:12,328 --> 01:07:14,558
and Steve was singing
"Georgia on My Mind".
900
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:19,230
And I'll never forget it the sound
of that voice and his delivery.
901
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:21,866
Georgia, yeah
902
01:07:25,274 --> 01:07:27,834
Oh, Georgia
903
01:07:30,479 --> 01:07:32,572
A song of love
904
01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:37,417
Comes as sweet and clear
905
01:07:41,791 --> 01:07:44,487
As the moonlight through the pines
906
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,827
As a musician, let's say, and
probably as a piano player as well...
907
01:07:49,999 --> 01:07:55,232
having learned harmony and playing
e-flat and all that kind of stuff...
908
01:07:55,404 --> 01:07:58,771
I was really more interested
in the music...
909
01:07:58,841 --> 01:08:02,004
rather than the whole
social change...
910
01:08:02,311 --> 01:08:04,176
which that was
the massive thing really.
911
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,805
Black cloud crossed my mind
912
01:08:07,049 --> 01:08:09,449
Blue mist round my soul
913
01:08:09,685 --> 01:08:11,778
Feel so suicidal
914
01:08:11,987 --> 01:08:14,387
Even hate my rock and roll
915
01:08:14,623 --> 01:08:16,318
I wanna yeah
916
01:08:19,061 --> 01:08:21,120
I wanna die
917
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:26,261
If I ain't deadAlready
918
01:08:27,103 --> 01:08:29,594
Oh girl, you know the reason why
919
01:09:00,369 --> 01:09:03,338
The Beatles was doing what
they called rock 'n' roll...
920
01:09:03,506 --> 01:09:06,270
a different type of thing,
but I could still feel...
921
01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:09,239
and hear blues in what
they were doing.
922
01:09:09,578 --> 01:09:12,172
I think the Beatles
had a lot of influence on...
923
01:09:12,381 --> 01:09:16,147
encouraging people who didn't know
how to read or write music...
924
01:09:16,318 --> 01:09:20,721
they could pick up an instrument, make
some music and actually be accepted.
925
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:23,925
And all it took was for them
to get to the top of the charts...
926
01:09:24,226 --> 01:09:26,421
"It is possible! We'll have a go!"
927
01:09:26,695 --> 01:09:29,323
The Beatles were a little more
sophisticated, I guess...
928
01:09:29,465 --> 01:09:34,095
and they were writing their own material,
based on American culture.
929
01:09:35,004 --> 01:09:37,097
But the way they took it back
to America...
930
01:09:37,273 --> 01:09:42,370
with its innocent charm, if you like,
and its freshness, was an eye opener...
931
01:09:42,578 --> 01:09:45,979
and that took that music
into mainstream America...
932
01:09:46,148 --> 01:09:49,811
whereas before it had been kinda
the lid had been kept on.
933
01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:55,214
The Beatles did in the early days sing
few blues and so on...
934
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:58,823
but on the whole they
were very inventive.
935
01:09:59,128 --> 01:10:01,460
The Stones less so, weren't they?
936
01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:06,661
Some people used to call it
the Thames valley cotton fields.
937
01:10:09,038 --> 01:10:12,405
I don't want'Cause I'm sad and blue
938
01:10:12,708 --> 01:10:16,974
I just want to make love to you,Baby
939
01:10:17,046 --> 01:10:20,607
Love to you, babySweet love to you, baby
940
01:10:20,916 --> 01:10:22,349
Love to you
941
01:10:23,686 --> 01:10:27,122
The Stones were a straight-ahead
blues band, basically.
942
01:10:27,423 --> 01:10:31,120
Jagger had a genuine feeling for it
and so did Richards and...
943
01:10:31,393 --> 01:10:34,453
their early music I think
is pretty powerful...
944
01:10:34,663 --> 01:10:36,597
and definitely black influenced...
945
01:10:36,665 --> 01:10:39,463
but it doesn't sound like it,
not imitative quite.
946
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:45,598
And there was a few comments when they
went to America from black artists...
947
01:10:45,741 --> 01:10:48,676
"It's fine,
white boys playing this stuff...
948
01:10:48,944 --> 01:10:51,504
more people going to listen to us",
which is probably true.
949
01:10:53,682 --> 01:10:55,673
I'm gonna get high
950
01:10:57,620 --> 01:11:01,454
I'm gonna get highSure
951
01:11:08,564 --> 01:11:10,191
Wait no more
952
01:11:10,432 --> 01:11:12,229
Stick by my riffle
953
01:11:14,203 --> 01:11:18,401
I ain't gonna be messing aroundWith no cocaine
954
01:11:18,741 --> 01:11:21,403
British blues were John Mayall...
955
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:23,703
I think he's the master of it.
956
01:11:23,879 --> 01:11:28,339
He's about the first that I can think
that really brought it out.
957
01:11:28,651 --> 01:11:32,382
But then I started
hearing many others.
958
01:11:32,588 --> 01:11:34,215
When Cream came that was it.
959
01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:40,588
I had met Jack and Ginger on and offaround the Ealing club and the Marquee.
960
01:11:40,663 --> 01:11:43,223
But, I mean, I admiredthese guys tremendously, and...
961
01:11:43,532 --> 01:11:47,059
for start because they were
kind of a generation before me.
962
01:11:47,136 --> 01:11:50,230
And they were onstage when
I was in the audience at the Marquee.
963
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,603
So these were the real thing, I mean,
it was like back to that again.
964
01:11:55,077 --> 01:11:57,545
And even in the band,
when it came into fruition...
965
01:11:57,746 --> 01:12:01,477
I was still, I kinda stayed in that
place, I was in the audience really...
966
01:12:01,684 --> 01:12:03,015
for most of their shenanigans.
967
01:12:03,252 --> 01:12:07,313
By then all the whole blues,
rock blues thing...
968
01:12:07,489 --> 01:12:10,049
was in full swing
on a worldwide basis.
969
01:12:10,259 --> 01:12:15,219
In other words, several years before
when not many people knew about it.
970
01:12:15,364 --> 01:12:18,527
Now it was the music.
You know, it dominated everything.
971
01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:23,730
Well I'm going down to Rosedale
972
01:12:23,939 --> 01:12:26,032
Take my rider by my side
973
01:12:28,143 --> 01:12:30,168
Going down to Rosedale
974
01:12:30,412 --> 01:12:32,505
Take my rider by my side
975
01:12:35,317 --> 01:12:39,344
You can still barrelhouse, babyOn the riverside
976
01:13:22,865 --> 01:13:26,357
Cream were enormous in America.
977
01:13:26,602 --> 01:13:30,971
And thanks to Eric Clapton,
Jack Bruce, and Ginger Baker...
978
01:13:31,073 --> 01:13:32,938
and that band in particular...
979
01:13:33,108 --> 01:13:37,704
who drew from a very blues influence
between them, and jazz...
980
01:13:38,547 --> 01:13:41,107
they went out and played it
live to American audiences.
981
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:46,547
Early 1968, I first went to America
with Traffic as a three piece...
982
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:50,618
with Jim Capaldi and Chris Wood.
983
01:13:50,826 --> 01:13:55,820
And so, of course,
I think the idea there is...
984
01:13:56,498 --> 01:13:59,262
I really wanted to stop...
985
01:13:59,701 --> 01:14:03,899
trying to, trying
to copy this music.
986
01:14:04,306 --> 01:14:08,106
We're taken into the depths
of Chicago...
987
01:14:08,277 --> 01:14:09,574
these little white guys,
you know.
988
01:14:09,845 --> 01:14:13,679
Mike Vernon, who was in chargeof our label, Blue Horizon...
989
01:14:13,849 --> 01:14:17,717
arranged for us to go recordat the Chess studios...
990
01:14:17,986 --> 01:14:21,285
and Willie Dixon, Buddy Guy
was there...
991
01:14:21,457 --> 01:14:24,790
J.T. Brown, the horn player
from Elmore James...
992
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,052
and Shakey Horton.
993
01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:29,230
Been in Stax/Volt
recording sessions...
994
01:14:29,398 --> 01:14:32,367
watching Otis Redding
record "Daytripper"...
995
01:14:32,568 --> 01:14:35,560
Sam and Dave cut
"Hold on, I'm Coming"...
996
01:14:35,771 --> 01:14:40,731
playing with an interracial band,
a white black band.
997
01:14:41,076 --> 01:14:45,376
When Jeremy playing with
J.T. Brown during the bass section...
998
01:14:45,547 --> 01:14:51,975
it was like living out the wildest
fantasies that you could possibly want.
999
01:14:53,288 --> 01:14:56,451
Peter had a confidence
about what he played...
1000
01:14:56,625 --> 01:14:58,786
and felt that he could play...
1001
01:14:58,861 --> 01:15:00,522
but he was...
We're all thrilled.
1002
01:15:00,963 --> 01:15:03,022
I had a woman, Lord
1003
01:15:04,266 --> 01:15:08,635
Who was always around
1004
01:15:10,005 --> 01:15:13,236
But when I lost all my money
1005
01:15:14,409 --> 01:15:17,037
You know she put me down
1006
01:15:17,613 --> 01:15:21,549
Talking bout hard times
1007
01:15:23,318 --> 01:15:26,310
You know about hard times
1008
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:29,657
And who knows
1009
01:15:30,893 --> 01:15:33,453
Better than I?
1010
01:15:35,731 --> 01:15:37,665
Yeah, Lord
1011
01:15:39,167 --> 01:15:41,328
You know better
1012
01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:44,596
One of these days
1013
01:15:46,275 --> 01:15:49,267
There'll be no more sorrow
1014
01:15:50,579 --> 01:15:53,776
When I pass away
1015
01:15:54,182 --> 01:15:57,913
Talking bout hard times
1016
01:15:58,587 --> 01:16:02,717
I said no more hard times
1017
01:16:04,326 --> 01:16:06,419
And who knows
1018
01:16:07,329 --> 01:16:13,859
Better than I?
1019
01:16:13,936 --> 01:16:16,461
As long as you sounded real...
1020
01:16:16,805 --> 01:16:19,638
they didn't mind if you were white
or you know, whatever...
1021
01:16:19,875 --> 01:16:22,673
as long as it was real, and then
I thought that's great because...
1022
01:16:22,744 --> 01:16:26,009
I thought I might have gotten
a bit of um flack...
1023
01:16:26,315 --> 01:16:31,810
with singing some of the tunes,
you know, and being white.
1024
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,920
To be blunt, for us
to play their music...
1025
01:16:36,124 --> 01:16:40,117
in studios that
they recorded those songs in...
1026
01:16:40,195 --> 01:16:42,891
could have gone horribly wrong.
1027
01:16:43,165 --> 01:16:45,190
It truly didn't.
1028
01:16:45,367 --> 01:16:51,067
But there was a moment when
there was a testing of our situation.
1029
01:16:51,206 --> 01:16:52,332
I do remember that.
1030
01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:57,102
And then suddenly and I hope it, in fact
I feel it had something to with that...
1031
01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:59,440
they were blown away...
1032
01:16:59,514 --> 01:17:04,315
as to how this little group
of English kids could sound and...
1033
01:17:04,486 --> 01:17:09,423
J.T. Brown turned around and
I know genuinely was saying...
1034
01:17:10,025 --> 01:17:12,755
"That's pretty damn cool",
you know.
1035
01:17:12,828 --> 01:17:17,356
Because it was so
heartfelt from us bunch.
1036
01:17:17,699 --> 01:17:21,396
When they would do tunes
that had been recorded by...
1037
01:17:21,603 --> 01:17:26,734
shall we say, Big Boy Crudup,
Muddy Waters, and so on...
1038
01:17:27,109 --> 01:17:30,442
whoever wrote the tune, man,
ought have been glad...
1039
01:17:30,946 --> 01:17:33,244
because it became a hit...
1040
01:17:33,548 --> 01:17:37,416
and it was sold to many more people
then they were ever able to sell it to.
1041
01:17:37,753 --> 01:17:41,689
That was the beginning
of those fantastic bills where...
1042
01:17:41,857 --> 01:17:47,659
you get the Freddie Kings,
you know, playing with Richie Havens...
1043
01:17:47,896 --> 01:17:49,921
and Fleetwood Mac
and Janis Joplin.
1044
01:17:50,165 --> 01:17:55,899
And I noticed then that white America
started paying attention to blues.
1045
01:17:56,571 --> 01:18:01,167
And so it started to opening a lot
of doors that had been closed to us.
1046
01:18:01,376 --> 01:18:04,072
Like Albert King said he was,
was staggered...
1047
01:18:04,212 --> 01:18:08,148
by the Fillmore was packed
just had no concept of...
1048
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:10,750
how it could be that
what he was playing...
1049
01:18:10,819 --> 01:18:13,549
could be appreciated
by so many people, you know.
1050
01:18:14,389 --> 01:18:17,449
And white people, you know?
Where did they come from?
1051
01:18:17,726 --> 01:18:20,286
And we were having fun,
we had a lot of fun.
1052
01:18:20,462 --> 01:18:23,863
But musically
I kept stepping back and going...
1053
01:18:24,066 --> 01:18:26,899
this isn't it, this isn't really
what I want to do...
1054
01:18:27,135 --> 01:18:29,729
or this isn't what I hold up.
1055
01:18:29,871 --> 01:18:34,274
This isn't working to the principles
that I've been following all this time.
1056
01:18:34,443 --> 01:18:39,779
And consequently when I heard
music from Big Pink...
1057
01:18:40,082 --> 01:18:42,141
I thought:
Well, this is a contemporary band...
1058
01:18:42,317 --> 01:18:45,650
that is approaching wherethe blues can be taken".
1059
01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:49,523
And
1060
01:18:49,591 --> 01:18:53,322
You put the load right on me
1061
01:18:58,066 --> 01:19:00,261
And it doesn't have to be like that...
1062
01:19:00,335 --> 01:19:03,964
because what we're doing
is starting to become a bit of a circus.
1063
01:19:04,306 --> 01:19:07,764
Playing in places where
all the audience was stoned...
1064
01:19:07,976 --> 01:19:12,413
you know, doing tours of America,
the Fillmore and the Fillmore East...
1065
01:19:12,781 --> 01:19:16,512
and all kinds of places
where you know that we encouraged...
1066
01:19:16,718 --> 01:19:22,247
to get to do just silly
things rambling, meaningless...
1067
01:19:22,591 --> 01:19:25,389
self-indulgent music, really.
1068
01:19:25,660 --> 01:19:27,787
I wanted to take it seriously.
1069
01:19:27,929 --> 01:19:31,831
I wanted. My music was
a very serious thing to me...
1070
01:19:32,067 --> 01:19:35,730
and I felt like I was starting
to betray myself.
1071
01:19:37,305 --> 01:19:39,830
Tell me how long
1072
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:44,374
Oh baby how long
1073
01:19:46,481 --> 01:19:49,848
Has that evening
1074
01:19:50,652 --> 01:19:53,815
Has that evening train been gone
1075
01:19:56,725 --> 01:19:59,353
How long
1076
01:20:01,663 --> 01:20:03,824
Has that evening
1077
01:20:05,567 --> 01:20:08,092
Train been gone
1078
01:20:08,236 --> 01:20:11,467
My definition of it would be that
it was someone making music...
1079
01:20:11,673 --> 01:20:13,300
purely for themselves in a way...
1080
01:20:13,475 --> 01:20:16,740
and without any conscious effort
to be communicative.
1081
01:20:17,078 --> 01:20:19,342
A branch of folk music...
1082
01:20:19,514 --> 01:20:23,644
that is to say, it's a rather natural
expression rather than a contrived one.
1083
01:20:23,952 --> 01:20:25,783
It's an uplifting music.
1084
01:20:25,987 --> 01:20:28,387
I wouldn't necessarily say
it's happy but up...
1085
01:20:28,557 --> 01:20:31,549
it's definitely uplifting,
energizing...
1086
01:20:31,726 --> 01:20:35,184
all those kind of things that
you come away from it saying...
1087
01:20:35,263 --> 01:20:37,493
- "That was great".
- Tell me how long
1088
01:20:39,801 --> 01:20:42,395
Has that evening
1089
01:20:44,172 --> 01:20:46,936
Train been gone
1090
01:20:47,008 --> 01:20:48,475
Well, the blues is
so many things...
1091
01:20:48,577 --> 01:20:53,913
but basically speaking
it's developed into a 12 by format...
1092
01:20:54,182 --> 01:20:57,117
with fairly simple chord progressions
in the first place...
1093
01:20:57,285 --> 01:21:01,415
which could have been extended,
you know, as jazz has got more modern.
1094
01:21:01,723 --> 01:21:05,955
What it really means is
the singer or player...
1095
01:21:06,127 --> 01:21:10,962
is actually playing from his heart.
It's like he's singing the truth.
1096
01:21:33,622 --> 01:21:36,887
It's simple,
anybody can play it.
1097
01:21:37,125 --> 01:21:40,117
It has the magical structure
of three chords...
1098
01:21:40,362 --> 01:21:45,857
which you can tie into earth,
sun, moon, man, woman, God.
1099
01:21:46,234 --> 01:21:48,964
Life.
Life as we live it today.
1100
01:21:49,638 --> 01:21:51,765
Life as we lived it in the past...
1101
01:21:51,973 --> 01:21:54,533
and life as I believe
we'll live it in the future.
1102
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:56,472
Has to do with people.
1103
01:21:56,578 --> 01:21:58,569
I think that's one of the reasons
that kids picks it.
1104
01:21:58,780 --> 01:22:00,714
It has to do with people,
places, and things.
1105
01:22:25,173 --> 01:22:27,232
It's kind of like religion,
really blues music.
1106
01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:29,775
I've recently,
only recently sort of got the...
1107
01:22:29,844 --> 01:22:31,937
started to get the hang of it,
you know?
1108
01:22:32,113 --> 01:22:33,740
What it means...
1109
01:22:33,915 --> 01:22:36,383
because it's a story when you say
Bill Broonzy...
1110
01:22:36,451 --> 01:22:40,114
it's his words, it's his lyrics
or you're listening to the guitar player...
1111
01:22:40,388 --> 01:22:42,720
and someone who doesn't play guitar
or listen to the words...
1112
01:22:42,857 --> 01:22:45,826
they might get it right like that
and sort of understand what it is.
1113
01:22:46,094 --> 01:22:48,927
It's two lines which
are the same.
1114
01:22:49,097 --> 01:22:51,258
First line more
or less repeated...
1115
01:22:51,466 --> 01:22:54,196
and then the third
one which completes the sense.
1116
01:22:54,502 --> 01:22:55,969
But I think it's more a feeling.
1117
01:22:56,471 --> 01:22:58,735
I guess it's a feel, isn't it?
It's an emotion.
1118
01:23:19,494 --> 01:23:21,223
We didn't even know the words.
1119
01:23:21,463 --> 01:23:23,454
We couldn't understand
a lot of lyrics...
1120
01:23:23,531 --> 01:23:25,863
of what these guys were singing.
1121
01:23:26,067 --> 01:23:27,898
But the whole feel...
1122
01:23:28,203 --> 01:23:29,898
Yeah, there's no black no white.
1123
01:23:30,038 --> 01:23:33,371
It's got to, it has to do with the truth.
Blues is the truth.
1124
01:23:33,641 --> 01:23:38,237
I think it's a kind of a plea,
it's a musical plea for something.
1125
01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:42,407
It's a way of expressing
a need or a want.
1126
01:24:01,736 --> 01:24:04,466
It could and almost should be
a part of all music and...
1127
01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:08,473
if it isn't, then I feel that
the music is somehow lacking.
1128
01:24:08,743 --> 01:24:13,112
We're still sitting here talking about
something that's so real, so alive...
1129
01:24:13,314 --> 01:24:15,976
just when you think
it's off the radar.
1130
01:24:16,117 --> 01:24:21,282
I don't think it ever will be, because
of the absolute power that it has.
1131
01:24:21,656 --> 01:24:24,955
It brings a tear
1132
01:24:29,364 --> 01:24:33,232
Into my eyes
1133
01:24:37,238 --> 01:24:39,832
When I begin
1134
01:24:43,745 --> 01:24:47,647
To realize
1135
01:24:51,052 --> 01:24:55,182
I've cried so much
1136
01:24:57,592 --> 01:25:00,152
Since you've been gone
1137
01:25:02,597 --> 01:25:06,931
I'm absolutely sure that,
if you asked a black blues musician...
1138
01:25:07,102 --> 01:25:09,297
whether his life was enhanced,
I think they'd say, yeah.
1139
01:25:09,370 --> 01:25:11,497
I mean, that would probably be
the better person to ask.
1140
01:25:11,673 --> 01:25:15,040
I don't know for myself
how further the ripple has spread...
1141
01:25:15,176 --> 01:25:18,612
but Robert Johnson is
a household name now.
1142
01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:23,843
I just sit and cry
1143
01:25:28,223 --> 01:25:30,817
Just like a child
1144
01:25:31,059 --> 01:25:35,928
The United States suddenly started
paying tribute to a wonderful legacy...
1145
01:25:36,097 --> 01:25:38,190
of the roots of rock 'n' roll
and blues...
1146
01:25:38,399 --> 01:25:41,425
and by this reverse
of triggering mechanism...
1147
01:25:41,503 --> 01:25:45,940
that came from all those things
in England the bands going back.
1148
01:25:46,374 --> 01:25:50,140
And hey, you see the Rolling Stones,
when they first landed...
1149
01:25:50,311 --> 01:25:52,506
they're all talking about
Muddy Waters and people...
1150
01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:55,140
and people are going like
"Who the hell is he?"
1151
01:25:56,351 --> 01:26:00,947
That you gonna be home soon
1152
01:26:01,022 --> 01:26:03,513
It's alright
1153
01:26:03,791 --> 01:26:06,055
I believe I'm gonna
1154
01:26:06,294 --> 01:26:09,889
Drown
1155
01:26:10,999 --> 01:26:14,833
In my own tears
1156
01:26:17,705 --> 01:26:21,004
The Brits took
what the Americans...
1157
01:26:21,509 --> 01:26:24,672
culturally threw into
the trash bin.
1158
01:26:24,913 --> 01:26:30,351
There was a definite move
to trash that culture...
1159
01:26:30,418 --> 01:26:32,045
and keep it away
from white kids.
1160
01:26:32,253 --> 01:26:37,714
Oh some rain
1161
01:26:40,028 --> 01:26:43,964
I know some rain is gonna pour
1162
01:26:44,232 --> 01:26:49,329
There's probably a feeling in the early
days of blues, English blues...
1163
01:26:49,938 --> 01:26:55,672
of wanting to bring this music
to people's attention...
1164
01:26:55,877 --> 01:27:00,143
to show them what a interesting,
wonderful form it was.
1165
01:27:01,883 --> 01:27:05,375
That it just keeps raining
1166
01:27:05,453 --> 01:27:10,550
Raining, raining, raining, raining
1167
01:27:11,226 --> 01:27:15,094
More and more
1168
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:20,165
Why don't youCome on home
1169
01:27:20,568 --> 01:27:25,767
Without it, I don't think American black
musicians and black blues players...
1170
01:27:25,974 --> 01:27:29,341
would have really made it
to the extent they have...
1171
01:27:29,544 --> 01:27:31,535
because if you talk
to any of them...
1172
01:27:31,746 --> 01:27:34,840
they'll say well these
English guys they came over...
1173
01:27:35,316 --> 01:27:38,217
and they spread
the word about us...
1174
01:27:38,453 --> 01:27:43,015
and, you know, they made a larger
awareness on the world scale.
1175
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,155
'Cause if you don't think
1176
01:27:51,766 --> 01:27:55,429
That you gonna be home soon
1177
01:27:56,871 --> 01:27:59,169
It's alright
1178
01:27:59,407 --> 01:28:01,307
I believe I'm gonna
1179
01:28:01,376 --> 01:28:07,042
Drown in my own tears
1180
01:28:07,682 --> 01:28:10,276
It gave people a chance to play
and to be somebody...
1181
01:28:10,451 --> 01:28:11,884
and to do something
with their music.
1182
01:28:12,053 --> 01:28:15,545
People who were disregarded and
worth nothing at the time over there.
1183
01:28:15,723 --> 01:28:17,714
As the jazz revival had.
1184
01:28:17,792 --> 01:28:20,784
It gave people, you know,
Americans something to feel...
1185
01:28:20,862 --> 01:28:23,262
they've done something to be important,
for the music to be important.
1186
01:28:23,331 --> 01:28:28,394
Drown in my own tears
1187
01:28:29,203 --> 01:28:31,967
Yes, I'm gonna
1188
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,407
Drown in my own tears
1189
01:28:35,576 --> 01:28:39,012
Black American culture
if you want to call it, which it is...
1190
01:28:39,847 --> 01:28:44,079
the greatest art form that came out
of America really, modern America.
1191
01:28:48,222 --> 01:28:50,622
Sing a song tonight
1192
01:28:50,858 --> 01:28:53,019
Sing a song tonight
1193
01:28:54,996 --> 01:28:57,624
If it wasn't
for the British musicians...
1194
01:28:57,799 --> 01:29:01,200
a lot of us black musicians
in America...
1195
01:29:01,402 --> 01:29:05,338
would still be catching the hell
that we caught long before.
1196
01:29:05,907 --> 01:29:09,035
So thanks to them,
thanks to all you guys...
1197
01:29:09,177 --> 01:29:14,205
you opened doors that I don't think
would have been opened in my lifetime.
1198
01:29:14,382 --> 01:29:16,247
Thank you very much.
1199
01:29:19,287 --> 01:29:22,620
My own
1200
01:29:22,924 --> 01:29:27,486
My own
1201
01:29:27,795 --> 01:29:36,567
Tears
1202
01:29:36,637 --> 01:29:38,832
Good God Almighty
1203
01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:51,314
That was alright except
for that last little bit...
1204
01:29:51,486 --> 01:29:53,716
that I did not give
any indication on.
1205
01:29:53,888 --> 01:29:55,856
That was quite beautiful, yeah.
1206
01:29:56,391 --> 01:30:01,192
- Let's do...
- Listen, can we get that bar?
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