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[Music] hello I'm Roger Bisby from the skill
hello I'm Roger Bisby from the skill
hello I'm Roger Bisby from the skill Builder Channel I've been called into
Builder Channel I've been called into
Builder Channel I've been called into this house today because they've got a
this house today because they've got a
this house today because they've got a creaky staircase so the first thing I've
creaky staircase so the first thing I've
creaky staircase so the first thing I've got to do is find out where it creaks
now it's a pretty common thing Creek in
now it's a pretty common thing Creek in
now it's a pretty common thing Creek in staircases and normally I would say that
staircases and normally I would say that
staircases and normally I would say that they're creaking because they've dried
they're creaking because they've dried
they're creaking because they've dried out this house is just over 20 years old
out this house is just over 20 years old
out this house is just over 20 years old and things have dried out they've got
and things have dried out they've got
and things have dried out they've got central heating so best wood in the
central heating so best wood in the
central heating so best wood in the world when you build a staircase it's
world when you build a staircase it's
world when you build a staircase it's fine and then slowly but surely it
fine and then slowly but surely it
fine and then slowly but surely it shrinks the best way to solve it is from
shrinks the best way to solve it is from
shrinks the best way to solve it is from the underside if you can get access to
the underside if you can get access to
the underside if you can get access to the underside of a staircase you can
the underside of a staircase you can
the underside of a staircase you can re-glue those blocks you can put in
re-glue those blocks you can put in
re-glue those blocks you can put in wedges you can just tighten the whole
wedges you can just tighten the whole
wedges you can just tighten the whole thing up but in this case there is no
thing up but in this case there is no
thing up but in this case there is no chance of us getting access to the
chance of us getting access to the
chance of us getting access to the underside unless we take down all the
underside unless we take down all the
underside unless we take down all the plasterboard and the household is not up
plasterboard and the household is not up
plasterboard and the household is not up for that so we're going to try and
for that so we're going to try and
for that so we're going to try and tackle it from the top now I'm going to
tackle it from the top now I'm going to
tackle it from the top now I'm going to take the carpet up luckily this one's on
take the carpet up luckily this one's on
take the carpet up luckily this one's on gripper rods most of them are in the UK
gripper rods most of them are in the UK
gripper rods most of them are in the UK but in some places you get carpets stuck
but in some places you get carpets stuck
but in some places you get carpets stuck down and that is a nightmare I would
down and that is a nightmare I would
down and that is a nightmare I would suggest if you've got a carpet that's
suggest if you've got a carpet that's
suggest if you've got a carpet that's been glued down leave it there and think
been glued down leave it there and think
been glued down leave it there and think of something else
now I'm just going to mention at this
now I'm just going to mention at this
now I'm just going to mention at this point that uh gripper rods are another
point that uh gripper rods are another
point that uh gripper rods are another one of my many pet hates whenever
one of my many pet hates whenever
one of my many pet hates whenever they're a group of rods There Will Be
they're a group of rods There Will Be
they're a group of rods There Will Be Blood now if you've got a situation like
Blood now if you've got a situation like
Blood now if you've got a situation like this where the carpets in two pieces on
this where the carpets in two pieces on
this where the carpets in two pieces on the stairs it's important to remember
the stairs it's important to remember
the stairs it's important to remember which one was the top one and which one
which one was the top one and which one
which one was the top one and which one is the lower one
is the lower one
is the lower one so we can see clearly what's happened
so we can see clearly what's happened
so we can see clearly what's happened here as I said over the years it shrunk
here as I said over the years it shrunk
here as I said over the years it shrunk away but also here's the tread which is
away but also here's the tread which is
away but also here's the tread which is made of Timber and this is made of MDF
made of Timber and this is made of MDF
made of Timber and this is made of MDF they are tacked along the back of the
they are tacked along the back of the
they are tacked along the back of the tread the front of a tread is supported
tread the front of a tread is supported
tread the front of a tread is supported by the Riser but the back of the tread
by the Riser but the back of the tread
by the Riser but the back of the tread it would float there's nothing
it would float there's nothing
it would float there's nothing supporting it so it's essential that
supporting it so it's essential that
supporting it so it's essential that that back is pushed hard against there
that back is pushed hard against there
that back is pushed hard against there if we had access to the back we would
if we had access to the back we would
if we had access to the back we would simply go around the back Hammer that
simply go around the back Hammer that
simply go around the back Hammer that back on with a bit of glue but we can't
back on with a bit of glue but we can't
back on with a bit of glue but we can't do that what we're going to do is gonna
do that what we're going to do is gonna
do that what we're going to do is gonna attack it from the front still put the
attack it from the front still put the
attack it from the front still put the glue in in this case the Gap is big I
glue in in this case the Gap is big I
glue in in this case the Gap is big I was going to use D4 glue which would
was going to use D4 glue which would
was going to use D4 glue which would just pour down most of it is just run
just pour down most of it is just run
just pour down most of it is just run down through the hole so we'll use the
down through the hole so we'll use the
down through the hole so we'll use the gorilla expanding polyurethane glue in
gorilla expanding polyurethane glue in
gorilla expanding polyurethane glue in the joint and then tighten it up now not
the joint and then tighten it up now not
the joint and then tighten it up now not every one of these Treads is creaking
every one of these Treads is creaking
every one of these Treads is creaking but I've looked up there and they're all
but I've looked up there and they're all
but I've looked up there and they're all starting to park company from the back
starting to park company from the back
starting to park company from the back there so it would be foolish to just do
there so it would be foolish to just do
there so it would be foolish to just do the ones that Creak are going to go and
the ones that Creak are going to go and
the ones that Creak are going to go and do the whole all up and that way we're
do the whole all up and that way we're
do the whole all up and that way we're not going to get a call back in six
not going to get a call back in six
not going to get a call back in six months or a year's time to say that
months or a year's time to say that
months or a year's time to say that staircase you've fixed his creaking
staircase you've fixed his creaking
staircase you've fixed his creaking again
again
again it's not that critical where these
it's not that critical where these
it's not that critical where these gripper rods go but the reason I marked
gripper rods go but the reason I marked
gripper rods go but the reason I marked one before I take them up is because
one before I take them up is because
one before I take them up is because that carpet has sat down there for a
that carpet has sat down there for a
that carpet has sat down there for a good many years now and it's kind of
good many years now and it's kind of
good many years now and it's kind of shaped itself into the stair so if we
shaped itself into the stair so if we
shaped itself into the stair so if we move the gripper Rod back or forward
move the gripper Rod back or forward
move the gripper Rod back or forward we may interfere with that kind of shape
we may interfere with that kind of shape
we may interfere with that kind of shape so it's easy enough just to run a pen
so it's easy enough just to run a pen
so it's easy enough just to run a pen down them and then we've got the line
down them and then we've got the line
down them and then we've got the line [Music]
taking a lot of gripper Rod up in the
taking a lot of gripper Rod up in the
taking a lot of gripper Rod up in the past to get access to pipes and what I
past to get access to pipes and what I
past to get access to pipes and what I do find is if you're too greedy with it
do find is if you're too greedy with it
do find is if you're too greedy with it if you're in too much of a rush you snap
if you're in too much of a rush you snap
if you're in too much of a rush you snap the gripper Rod which is not the end of
the gripper Rod which is not the end of
the gripper Rod which is not the end of the world but it's nice to get it up in
the world but it's nice to get it up in
the world but it's nice to get it up in one piece so that's why I go along
one piece so that's why I go along
one piece so that's why I go along under each Nail First
under each Nail First
under each Nail First before I start pulling
before I start pulling
before I start pulling because these nails are short but they
because these nails are short but they
because these nails are short but they are ring shank nails they bite into the
are ring shank nails they bite into the
are ring shank nails they bite into the wood so we're going to put the expanding
wood so we're going to put the expanding
wood so we're going to put the expanding polyurethane glue along the back here to
polyurethane glue along the back here to
polyurethane glue along the back here to fill the Gap but we need to pull that
fill the Gap but we need to pull that
fill the Gap but we need to pull that together because we don't want to rely
together because we don't want to rely
together because we don't want to rely on the glue alone so I have to close it
on the glue alone so I have to close it
on the glue alone so I have to close it up by putting a screw in here I could
up by putting a screw in here I could
up by putting a screw in here I could just go all right well that's roughly
just go all right well that's roughly
just go all right well that's roughly where it goes but it could end up
where it goes but it could end up
where it goes but it could end up missing this it could end up going
missing this it could end up going
missing this it could end up going through the plasterboard on the other
through the plasterboard on the other
through the plasterboard on the other side the way we get accuracy take a
side the way we get accuracy take a
side the way we get accuracy take a pocket hole jig now this one is from
pocket hole jig now this one is from
pocket hole jig now this one is from Craig it goes in there and it allows us
Craig it goes in there and it allows us
Craig it goes in there and it allows us to drill at an angle down through the
to drill at an angle down through the
to drill at an angle down through the tread precise angle that should then
tread precise angle that should then
tread precise angle that should then come out into
come out into
come out into the Riser at the back and it should
the Riser at the back and it should
the Riser at the back and it should importantly come out Midway because we
importantly come out Midway because we
importantly come out Midway because we don't want this screw coming out the
don't want this screw coming out the
don't want this screw coming out the bottom where it's going to split the
bottom where it's going to split the
bottom where it's going to split the back of the Riser this being MDF it's
back of the Riser this being MDF it's
back of the Riser this being MDF it's not such a problem but we also don't
not such a problem but we also don't
not such a problem but we also don't want it coming in too high so that it's
want it coming in too high so that it's
want it coming in too high so that it's sticking out here there's a scale and
sticking out here there's a scale and
sticking out here there's a scale and there's a mark there I've worked out
there's a mark there I've worked out
there's a mark there I've worked out that this is 25 millimeters thick if
that this is 25 millimeters thick if
that this is 25 millimeters thick if it's three quarters of an inch we're
it's three quarters of an inch we're
it's three quarters of an inch we're going to go down to here you can see
going to go down to here you can see
going to go down to here you can see where it starts going in
where it starts going in
where it starts going in that's the entry point where it starts
that's the entry point where it starts
that's the entry point where it starts you can see that it's coming down and
you can see that it's coming down and
you can see that it's coming down and finishing in the middle of the tread
finishing in the middle of the tread
finishing in the middle of the tread important thing is that we don't come
important thing is that we don't come
important thing is that we don't come out in the plasterboard behind now I
out in the plasterboard behind now I
out in the plasterboard behind now I think we'd probably get away with
think we'd probably get away with
think we'd probably get away with putting one in the middle I don't think
putting one in the middle I don't think
putting one in the middle I don't think it needs three in there but let's put
it needs three in there but let's put
it needs three in there but let's put three in there because we've got it
three in there because we've got it
three in there because we've got it we've got set up I've been playing
we've got set up I've been playing
we've got set up I've been playing around with this on a piece of scrap
around with this on a piece of scrap
around with this on a piece of scrap wood and I'm really glad I did because
wood and I'm really glad I did because
wood and I'm really glad I did because I've been able to adjust this collar
I've been able to adjust this collar
I've been able to adjust this collar here which you do with the Allen key up
here which you do with the Allen key up
here which you do with the Allen key up or down so I've got the depth right now
or down so I've got the depth right now
or down so I've got the depth right now yeah so that's the amount we've got
yeah so that's the amount we've got
yeah so that's the amount we've got going through into the backing board
going through into the backing board
going through into the backing board obviously that's a diagonal there's the
obviously that's a diagonal there's the
obviously that's a diagonal there's the grab which I think is fine
so that backing board is just about 10
so that backing board is just about 10
so that backing board is just about 10 mil so that screw going through by that
mil so that screw going through by that
mil so that screw going through by that amount is perfect don't try using this
amount is perfect don't try using this
amount is perfect don't try using this free hands if you start drilling and
free hands if you start drilling and
free hands if you start drilling and you're trying to hold that free hand
you're trying to hold that free hand
you're trying to hold that free hand there's a tendency for the drill to spin
there's a tendency for the drill to spin
there's a tendency for the drill to spin around and move it so what they provide
around and move it so what they provide
around and move it so what they provide here is some holes for you to just
here is some holes for you to just
here is some holes for you to just secure it
secure it
secure it [Music]
[Music]
[Music] foreign
foreign
ing curve is an understatement because
ing curve is an understatement because
ing curve is an understatement because I've almost tried a different technique
I've almost tried a different technique
I've almost tried a different technique on every step the fact that this is MDF
on every step the fact that this is MDF
on every step the fact that this is MDF is making life virtually impossible we
is making life virtually impossible we
is making life virtually impossible we put the screw in it bites the MDF it
put the screw in it bites the MDF it
put the screw in it bites the MDF it pulls it in and then it lets go
pulls it in and then it lets go
pulls it in and then it lets go so having tried thin screws fat screws
so having tried thin screws fat screws
so having tried thin screws fat screws you name it we've given it a go what
you name it we've given it a go what
you name it we've given it a go what I've come up with is these stainless
I've come up with is these stainless
I've come up with is these stainless steel screws made for decking the fact
steel screws made for decking the fact
steel screws made for decking the fact that there's no pilot hole going into
that there's no pilot hole going into
that there's no pilot hole going into the MDF it's just using this to self-tap
the MDF it's just using this to self-tap
the MDF it's just using this to self-tap is actually a help because when we had a
is actually a help because when we had a
is actually a help because when we had a pilot hole going in there the thread
pilot hole going in there the thread
pilot hole going in there the thread wasn't enough to grab it
and at that point it's ported in
and at that point it's ported in
and at that point it's ported in slightly but then it spins and I can't
slightly but then it spins and I can't
slightly but then it spins and I can't really see any way around that at all I
really see any way around that at all I
really see any way around that at all I can't imagine how we're able to hook
can't imagine how we're able to hook
can't imagine how we're able to hook behind it if you get it to the other
behind it if you get it to the other
behind it if you get it to the other side absolutely fine if it's just
side absolutely fine if it's just
side absolutely fine if it's just plywood I reckon it would pull in but
plywood I reckon it would pull in but
plywood I reckon it would pull in but MDF is just not great spray it up first
MDF is just not great spray it up first
MDF is just not great spray it up first helps it go off faster
helps it go off faster
helps it go off faster I'm just squirting that in there it's
I'm just squirting that in there it's
I'm just squirting that in there it's thin enough that it will run down and
thin enough that it will run down and
thin enough that it will run down and hopefully not all of it will run down
oh that's cool this there's one Creek
oh that's cool this there's one Creek
oh that's cool this there's one Creek it's pinned in three places it's got a
it's pinned in three places it's got a
it's pinned in three places it's got a polyurethane glue along the back and if
polyurethane glue along the back and if
polyurethane glue along the back and if you just did nothing but put the glue in
you just did nothing but put the glue in
you just did nothing but put the glue in and not only polyurethane glue but the
and not only polyurethane glue but the
and not only polyurethane glue but the five minute glue is great that you put
five minute glue is great that you put
five minute glue is great that you put in with the tube whatever you can do
in with the tube whatever you can do
in with the tube whatever you can do it's going to help
it's going to help
it's going to help [Music]
well here I am on my staircase I'm on
well here I am on my staircase I'm on
well here I am on my staircase I'm on the home straight I'm thinking yeah I've
the home straight I'm thinking yeah I've
the home straight I'm thinking yeah I've done it it's great and then I walk
done it it's great and then I walk
done it it's great and then I walk around here and what have I found oh
around here and what have I found oh
around here and what have I found oh well I better fill up with a paint it'll
well I better fill up with a paint it'll
well I better fill up with a paint it'll be all right so our resident genius
be all right so our resident genius
be all right so our resident genius still and the cameraman has spotted what
still and the cameraman has spotted what
still and the cameraman has spotted what the problem was and why they came out of
the problem was and why they came out of
the problem was and why they came out of the top and not the bottom if you look
the top and not the bottom if you look
the top and not the bottom if you look here
here
here you can see where the plasterboard is
you can see where the plasterboard is
you can see where the plasterboard is sitting almost flush with the Stringer
sitting almost flush with the Stringer
sitting almost flush with the Stringer or there's actually a bit of architrave
or there's actually a bit of architrave
or there's actually a bit of architrave they put on the edge but by the time it
they put on the edge but by the time it
they put on the edge but by the time it gets up to here you can see the
gets up to here you can see the
gets up to here you can see the plasterboard running out by probably 15
plasterboard running out by probably 15
plasterboard running out by probably 15 millimeters the staircase has actually
millimeters the staircase has actually
millimeters the staircase has actually moved away from The Landing slightly
moved away from The Landing slightly
moved away from The Landing slightly we're not going to do much about that
we're not going to do much about that
we're not going to do much about that and we're definitely not going to put
and we're definitely not going to put
and we're definitely not going to put any expanding wood gluing to fill that
any expanding wood gluing to fill that
any expanding wood gluing to fill that Gap and anyway there's no creaking
Gap and anyway there's no creaking
Gap and anyway there's no creaking happening there because the surfaces are
happening there because the surfaces are
happening there because the surfaces are so far apart that they're not rubbing
so far apart that they're not rubbing
so far apart that they're not rubbing together
I've put a lot of carpet back down in my
I've put a lot of carpet back down in my
I've put a lot of carpet back down in my career but I haven't done stair carpets
career but I haven't done stair carpets
career but I haven't done stair carpets because there's no pipes and stair
because there's no pipes and stair
because there's no pipes and stair carpets what I've discovered is it's
carpets what I've discovered is it's
carpets what I've discovered is it's better to work from the bottom up rather
better to work from the bottom up rather
better to work from the bottom up rather than the other way down because the
than the other way down because the
than the other way down because the other way down you're standing on the
other way down you're standing on the
other way down you're standing on the carpet
carpet
carpet that you're trying to fit but there you
that you're trying to fit but there you
that you're trying to fit but there you go I'll be better the next time
go I'll be better the next time
go I'll be better the next time [Music]
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