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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:01:06,315 --> 00:01:07,915 I'm writing in exile 4 00:01:07,955 --> 00:01:11,275 from a dark and distant planet called Earth. 5 00:01:12,035 --> 00:01:14,355 My story begins in Andromeda, 6 00:01:14,875 --> 00:01:17,915 a galaxy where we practiced meditation, 7 00:01:18,115 --> 00:01:20,115 telepathic communication, 8 00:01:20,355 --> 00:01:23,515 and the knowledge and management of energy. 9 00:01:26,675 --> 00:01:30,074 Andromeda was part of the universe hierarchy, 10 00:01:30,075 --> 00:01:33,235 a group of developed civilisations 11 00:01:33,995 --> 00:01:36,634 made up of an infinity of galaxies, 12 00:01:36,635 --> 00:01:40,555 whose purpose was the evolution of the spirit. 13 00:01:41,035 --> 00:01:44,994 Travelling anywhere in the hierarchy was allowed, 14 00:01:44,995 --> 00:01:47,794 but there was a prohibited area 15 00:01:47,795 --> 00:01:51,475 made up of young and unstable planets. 16 00:01:52,235 --> 00:01:56,794 My companion and I set off to discover other places 17 00:01:56,795 --> 00:01:59,635 and develop our knowledge this way. 18 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:03,114 We were overcome with a supernatural love 19 00:02:03,115 --> 00:02:07,475 and decided that we had become gods. 20 00:04:30,075 --> 00:04:33,275 We're with Jacobo Grinberg, psychophysiologist 21 00:04:33,395 --> 00:04:37,995 and professor of psychology at University of Mexico. 22 00:04:38,075 --> 00:04:40,555 He has written more than 36 books. 23 00:04:40,755 --> 00:04:43,115 Neurophysiologist at Mexico University, Jacobo Grinberg 24 00:04:43,235 --> 00:04:45,915 is a specialist in the relationship of mind and matter. 25 00:04:46,075 --> 00:04:49,235 He has studied the paranormal capacities of yogis and 26 00:04:49,355 --> 00:04:52,235 shamans, telepathic communication, 27 00:04:52,355 --> 00:04:53,995 and children's extraocular vision. 28 00:04:54,155 --> 00:04:56,475 He established the theory of ''syntergy''. 29 00:04:56,595 --> 00:05:00,115 Jacobo Grinberg was an avid researcher, 30 00:05:00,195 --> 00:05:01,195 and an enthusiast 31 00:05:01,315 --> 00:05:05,035 of his theoretical construction, and experiments 32 00:05:05,115 --> 00:05:08,435 on psychic physiology, and quantum physics. 33 00:05:09,515 --> 00:05:11,235 When you see a light, 34 00:05:12,035 --> 00:05:17,915 it's actually your consciousness that's experiencing 35 00:05:18,115 --> 00:05:19,795 the luminous quality. 36 00:05:20,315 --> 00:05:23,355 The light doesn't exist externally or internally, 37 00:05:23,595 --> 00:05:25,795 it doesn't exist as a physical phenomenon, 38 00:05:25,915 --> 00:05:27,795 as such, as light. 39 00:05:27,915 --> 00:05:30,995 What exists in space is a series of 40 00:05:31,115 --> 00:05:34,035 electromagnetic waves and photonic changes. 41 00:05:34,675 --> 00:05:38,355 Nor does it exist in cerebral activity as light. 42 00:05:38,435 --> 00:05:43,075 As light, in that perceptual quality, it's consciousness. 43 00:07:17,555 --> 00:07:20,515 I knew about the Jacobo Grinberg case from 44 00:07:20,635 --> 00:07:24,595 a note that appeared in the Mexican newspaper Reforma. 45 00:07:25,755 --> 00:07:28,235 My initial attraction was 46 00:07:28,355 --> 00:07:31,395 the crime or supposed crime of his disappearance. 47 00:07:35,475 --> 00:07:37,235 I have always liked sensationalist news. 48 00:07:37,355 --> 00:07:40,515 I've been doing these articles for years, 49 00:07:40,635 --> 00:07:43,435 but these kinds of articles 50 00:07:43,515 --> 00:07:46,675 only work if there's an interesting story behind them. 51 00:07:48,955 --> 00:07:51,515 We don't have anything, we have no body, 52 00:07:51,755 --> 00:07:53,475 we have no blood, 53 00:07:53,595 --> 00:07:57,795 fingerprints, or any evidence that a crime took place. 54 00:08:05,075 --> 00:08:08,475 I think I was the last person to see him alive. 55 00:08:08,595 --> 00:08:12,515 Near the end of the year, he asked me to arrange 56 00:08:12,595 --> 00:08:16,675 the possibility for him to go 57 00:08:16,795 --> 00:08:18,995 to a meditation retreat 58 00:08:19,075 --> 00:08:24,235 with my teacher, Tsoknyi Rinpoche, in the Kathmandu Valley, Nepal. 59 00:08:24,515 --> 00:08:25,995 Correct, he went to India. 60 00:08:26,075 --> 00:08:29,675 In fact, he told me: ''I'm going to India, to Nepal.'' 61 00:08:30,115 --> 00:08:34,835 I spoke to his wife by phone on 12th December, 62 00:08:34,915 --> 00:08:37,115 and I said: ''I called to say bye, 63 00:08:37,235 --> 00:08:40,555 and congratulate you'' and so on. 64 00:08:40,715 --> 00:08:43,235 ''Your dad has already left'', she said. 65 00:08:44,435 --> 00:08:46,235 So, I didn't talk to him. 66 00:08:46,355 --> 00:08:48,795 His birthday was 12th December. There was a party 67 00:08:48,955 --> 00:08:52,115 but he didn't come. But Jacobo was like that. 68 00:08:54,355 --> 00:08:57,515 He didn't show up all week, not even Thursday 69 00:08:57,635 --> 00:09:01,355 for his first seminar, and he's never missed one ever. 70 00:09:02,515 --> 00:09:04,875 It was strange, but we said: 71 00:09:04,995 --> 00:09:08,435 ''Maybe his flight's delayed, or he's still in India.'' 72 00:09:08,915 --> 00:09:11,435 He didn't contact any of us, 73 00:09:11,555 --> 00:09:13,875 not phone the laboratory, nothing. 74 00:09:16,595 --> 00:09:17,675 Time passed by. 75 00:09:19,115 --> 00:09:22,835 There were almost no signs that Jacobo was still alive. 76 00:09:22,955 --> 00:09:24,795 I spoke to his brothers after 3 months 77 00:09:24,955 --> 00:09:26,995 of not having heard from him. 78 00:09:27,115 --> 00:09:29,755 I asked: ''What about Jacobo? It's unusual. 79 00:09:29,915 --> 00:09:30,475 Something's up.'' 80 00:09:30,595 --> 00:09:32,595 It's the first time 81 00:09:32,755 --> 00:09:34,395 there's been no activity 82 00:09:34,515 --> 00:09:37,595 on his credit cards during his absence, 83 00:09:37,715 --> 00:09:39,715 Estusha doesn't know where he is. 84 00:09:40,235 --> 00:09:41,355 This alarmed me. 85 00:09:41,515 --> 00:09:45,075 And then we realized... 86 00:09:46,235 --> 00:09:47,755 We were put in contact 87 00:09:47,875 --> 00:09:51,475 with the government and the Attorney General, 88 00:09:51,595 --> 00:09:57,835 and a special team was put together to find Jacobo. 89 00:10:10,595 --> 00:10:12,075 I work for the LA Times, 90 00:10:12,195 --> 00:10:15,635 the largest newspaper in Western United States. 91 00:10:17,195 --> 00:10:20,155 I know from my career as a journalist, 92 00:10:20,315 --> 00:10:23,715 that the first 3-4 days after 93 00:10:23,835 --> 00:10:26,475 a disappearance are key. 94 00:10:26,675 --> 00:10:29,915 After, it's very difficult to find the person, 95 00:10:30,035 --> 00:10:31,515 especially if they're dead. 96 00:10:32,915 --> 00:10:36,155 They would have had clues if we'd got there earlier. 97 00:10:37,915 --> 00:10:39,355 A really good team 98 00:10:39,475 --> 00:10:41,715 led by Padilla, the Chief Superintendent, 99 00:10:41,835 --> 00:10:45,435 took charge of a legal investigation, 100 00:10:45,515 --> 00:10:47,395 to find out what happened. 101 00:10:50,915 --> 00:10:54,635 Chief Superintendent, I'm doing a project on Jacobo. 102 00:10:55,355 --> 00:10:57,794 I'm interested to know your opinion, 103 00:10:57,795 --> 00:11:01,315 and your point of view about this story. 104 00:11:02,395 --> 00:11:04,435 Our meetings 105 00:11:04,675 --> 00:11:06,915 weren't very open. 106 00:11:07,075 --> 00:11:10,275 I mean, he always took certain precautions. 107 00:11:10,395 --> 00:11:11,915 I don't know why. 108 00:11:12,035 --> 00:11:14,955 I guess it was his profession or something. 109 00:11:15,115 --> 00:11:16,555 He must have always 110 00:11:16,715 --> 00:11:18,915 taken those precautions. 111 00:11:21,835 --> 00:11:24,515 Clemente, tell us how... 112 00:11:24,875 --> 00:11:27,755 How did you find out about the case? 113 00:11:27,875 --> 00:11:31,435 It was assigned directly by the Attorney General, 114 00:11:31,875 --> 00:11:35,155 Jose Antonio Fernรกndez Gonzรกlez. 115 00:11:35,475 --> 00:11:36,955 He asked for the best. 116 00:11:38,515 --> 00:11:43,275 The Attorney General told me he was going to give me 117 00:11:43,435 --> 00:11:47,435 a very special case. There had to be a thorough investigation 118 00:11:47,555 --> 00:11:50,755 to look for death, a murder, or kidnapping. 119 00:11:50,875 --> 00:11:53,035 It needed special attention. 120 00:11:54,395 --> 00:11:57,795 We needed something solid to go on. 121 00:11:58,635 --> 00:12:01,635 We started with house inquiries. 122 00:12:01,755 --> 00:12:06,155 We had authorised access, and permission to break in. 123 00:12:06,835 --> 00:12:11,715 We found his things as they would normally be, 124 00:12:11,955 --> 00:12:13,715 as if he hadn't left, 125 00:12:13,835 --> 00:12:17,155 as if the doctor wasn't going anywhere. 126 00:12:21,355 --> 00:12:25,155 It's since May '95 127 00:12:25,355 --> 00:12:26,995 that we've had the case, 128 00:12:27,075 --> 00:12:30,035 that we started a thorough investigation, 129 00:12:30,155 --> 00:12:32,875 because it was presumed 130 00:12:32,955 --> 00:12:34,915 a homicide 131 00:12:35,115 --> 00:12:36,875 committed by his wife. 132 00:12:36,995 --> 00:12:38,395 Marรญa Teresa, 133 00:12:38,955 --> 00:12:40,475 who was on the run. 134 00:12:44,795 --> 00:12:49,115 The last time I saw Jacobo I interviewed him 135 00:12:49,235 --> 00:12:50,795 on radio Centro. 136 00:12:51,435 --> 00:12:53,995 When we saw each other he told me: 137 00:12:54,115 --> 00:12:55,275 ''I can't bear Teresa anymore. 138 00:12:55,835 --> 00:12:58,595 I'm on very bad terms with her.'' 139 00:12:59,995 --> 00:13:02,835 And then, I never heard from him again. 140 00:13:03,035 --> 00:13:04,675 Jacobo... 141 00:13:05,675 --> 00:13:06,675 told me: 142 00:13:07,635 --> 00:13:10,635 ''I'm afraid of my wife, Tere. 143 00:13:11,955 --> 00:13:13,395 I don't sleep at home.'' 144 00:13:13,475 --> 00:13:16,435 He had a van, or something like that. 145 00:13:16,915 --> 00:13:18,995 ''I don't want to see her, she scares me.'' 146 00:13:19,555 --> 00:13:23,715 He used to sleep in the van, 147 00:13:24,875 --> 00:13:28,835 and he also had other places to go that were fully equipped, 148 00:13:28,955 --> 00:13:32,115 where he could sleep, instead of at the house 149 00:13:32,235 --> 00:13:33,915 with Marรญa Teresa. 150 00:13:34,875 --> 00:13:38,355 Tere's bouts of anger totally consumed her. 151 00:13:38,475 --> 00:13:41,755 Her emotion took over 152 00:13:41,835 --> 00:13:45,755 and she became very violent. 153 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:48,235 He said he feared for his life. 154 00:13:48,355 --> 00:13:51,115 He told me: ''I'm counting on you 155 00:13:51,395 --> 00:13:52,635 if anything happens to me.'' 156 00:13:55,755 --> 00:14:00,155 That is almost the last thing I remember about Jacobo. 157 00:14:03,435 --> 00:14:07,275 I received a phone call on 13th December 158 00:14:07,675 --> 00:14:10,035 from his wife Teresa, 159 00:14:10,515 --> 00:14:13,755 saying he wasn't returning to the laboratory 160 00:14:14,075 --> 00:14:15,995 and they were going on holiday. 161 00:14:16,075 --> 00:14:20,595 They had planned to go to Campeche at the end of the year, 162 00:14:21,715 --> 00:14:23,715 and then go to India. 163 00:14:31,075 --> 00:14:33,875 The police searched 164 00:14:34,075 --> 00:14:36,515 airline company documents, 165 00:14:36,715 --> 00:14:39,155 and it seemed like they hadn't left. 166 00:14:39,515 --> 00:14:41,595 So, he disappeared. 167 00:14:41,715 --> 00:14:45,355 The ticket was unused, he didn't get to Nepal and wasn't seen there. 168 00:14:45,715 --> 00:14:47,595 He didn't arrive. 169 00:14:47,875 --> 00:14:51,155 There are no documents of his exit from Mexico, 170 00:14:51,275 --> 00:14:52,955 this was investigated. 171 00:14:53,075 --> 00:14:55,515 No emigration document for his departure, 172 00:14:55,635 --> 00:14:59,435 and no arrival document in Nepal. 173 00:15:48,515 --> 00:15:53,155 We went to Israel for a year and really got to know each other, 174 00:15:53,795 --> 00:15:55,155 and became a couple. 175 00:15:59,195 --> 00:16:01,195 We were in a kibbutz 176 00:16:01,275 --> 00:16:02,675 next to Gaza. 177 00:16:03,195 --> 00:16:06,955 These are the towers where they watched over the kibbutz. 178 00:16:14,115 --> 00:16:16,595 Curious, he was always very curious 179 00:16:16,715 --> 00:16:18,395 from the start. 180 00:16:18,515 --> 00:16:21,915 I think that was what I liked most about Jacobo. 181 00:16:24,475 --> 00:16:28,115 The interests that Jacobo had throughout his work 182 00:16:28,235 --> 00:16:30,315 and developed 183 00:16:30,435 --> 00:16:33,315 actually began on that journey to Israel 184 00:16:33,475 --> 00:16:36,395 in a meeting he had 185 00:16:36,515 --> 00:16:38,395 with a spiritualist! 186 00:16:38,475 --> 00:16:44,235 In the kibbutz, there was a man who used a ouija board. 187 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:49,595 It was his first encounter with the mysterious and esoteric world. 188 00:16:49,955 --> 00:16:53,035 Things happened to Jacobo, a spirit told him 189 00:16:53,155 --> 00:16:57,915 that his watch would stop at a certain time, and it did. 190 00:16:57,995 --> 00:17:02,835 I think this was the first time his curiosity was sparked: 191 00:17:02,915 --> 00:17:06,075 realising another reality exists, wondering 192 00:17:06,315 --> 00:17:09,355 how to understand it, and how to study it. 193 00:17:15,715 --> 00:17:17,755 I feel like a channel of God. 194 00:17:18,635 --> 00:17:20,235 A channel of light. 195 00:17:20,715 --> 00:17:23,315 I don't think I do it. I am the medium. 196 00:17:28,395 --> 00:17:30,795 I met Jacobo because 197 00:17:31,115 --> 00:17:33,315 of our communication system 198 00:17:33,595 --> 00:17:36,395 and the channels we all have. 199 00:17:36,515 --> 00:17:40,515 It's true that some people manage to keep them open, 200 00:17:41,475 --> 00:17:44,635 and see people without using their eyes. 201 00:17:45,035 --> 00:17:48,075 I think it was in the 70s 202 00:17:48,635 --> 00:17:52,475 when Jacobo started training children 203 00:17:52,595 --> 00:17:56,435 in extra-ocular vision 204 00:17:56,995 --> 00:17:58,795 through touch. 205 00:18:11,675 --> 00:18:13,955 For example, if we take this book, 206 00:18:14,075 --> 00:18:16,715 he could say what was on the back. 207 00:18:18,355 --> 00:18:20,755 I saw that with my own eyes. 208 00:18:20,875 --> 00:18:26,275 Skin vision. I mean, the gifts and channels that keep these children open 209 00:18:26,395 --> 00:18:28,675 are much more open than in adults. 210 00:18:44,355 --> 00:18:48,475 But the children started to see nasty things. 211 00:18:51,995 --> 00:18:52,995 Nasty things. 212 00:18:53,395 --> 00:18:56,355 And this scared them. The children gave up 213 00:18:56,475 --> 00:18:59,995 because it connected them with other realities, 214 00:19:00,115 --> 00:19:02,075 with other dimensions. 215 00:19:06,795 --> 00:19:10,595 Here's Bosque in La Venta. I'm sure my cousin is here. 216 00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:14,755 What can you do with this? 217 00:19:15,115 --> 00:19:19,515 San Josรฉ Purga. I remember we went there with him too. 218 00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:24,515 We're all looking here, he's looking up. 219 00:19:24,635 --> 00:19:26,715 This is his father, this is Nartรกn, 220 00:19:27,155 --> 00:19:28,555 these are my brothers. 221 00:19:32,395 --> 00:19:34,035 He was... 222 00:19:34,155 --> 00:19:37,955 in outer space, and his feet weren't on the ground. 223 00:19:38,955 --> 00:19:41,395 It was like he was always floating. 224 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:46,035 He was on another plane completely. 225 00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:50,675 Since he was a boy he was experimenting 226 00:19:50,795 --> 00:19:54,795 with petrol engine planes, he was always doing things. 227 00:19:55,235 --> 00:19:57,195 Radios with bulbs. 228 00:19:57,995 --> 00:20:01,835 Later he made a bomb, buried it in the garden 229 00:20:01,955 --> 00:20:03,475 and blew it all up. 230 00:20:04,515 --> 00:20:09,115 It was fantastic, he was always investigating, and very restless. 231 00:20:11,195 --> 00:20:14,035 He was very affected by my mother's death 232 00:20:14,155 --> 00:20:18,795 because he was the eldest. My mother had cancer for 5 years, 233 00:20:18,915 --> 00:20:21,155 during which she lost her hair 234 00:20:21,355 --> 00:20:25,715 and her sight due to the treatments she was given at the time. 235 00:20:25,795 --> 00:20:28,115 This happened during the 50s. 236 00:20:30,035 --> 00:20:32,635 Once, when we were older, 237 00:20:32,755 --> 00:20:34,235 he told me that 238 00:20:34,955 --> 00:20:37,155 as a child he wanted her to die, 239 00:20:37,275 --> 00:20:39,995 because he couldn't just be. 240 00:20:40,115 --> 00:20:43,995 Out on the street playing, we were also told not to shout. 241 00:20:45,395 --> 00:20:48,275 His infancy was cut short, 242 00:20:48,395 --> 00:20:50,915 he didn't enjoy his childhood. 243 00:20:51,075 --> 00:20:55,755 He lived stuck to my mother while she was on her way out. 244 00:20:56,395 --> 00:20:58,395 She was really beautiful, 245 00:20:58,515 --> 00:21:01,955 but she died at the very young age of 35, 246 00:21:02,155 --> 00:21:03,835 and he was 13. 247 00:21:08,475 --> 00:21:12,315 Whether your mother dies or not, you end up losing her. 248 00:21:12,435 --> 00:21:17,675 If you can't come to terms with it, you'll keep looking for a mother 249 00:21:17,795 --> 00:21:19,675 in other women. That's what he did. 250 00:21:19,755 --> 00:21:23,435 He fell in love with one, and then another, and another, 251 00:21:23,555 --> 00:21:27,555 he pursued her, and then he left or they left him. 252 00:21:27,915 --> 00:21:30,395 It was complicated to relate to him. 253 00:21:30,475 --> 00:21:35,675 A lot of things bothered Jacobo, 254 00:21:35,835 --> 00:21:39,155 like his relationships with women 255 00:21:39,595 --> 00:21:42,355 that he never could resolve. 256 00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:45,795 We don't know if the last woman led him to his death 257 00:21:45,915 --> 00:21:49,155 because he didn't know who she really was. 258 00:21:57,115 --> 00:21:59,675 He was seen at the start of December, 259 00:21:59,795 --> 00:22:01,395 and then never again. 260 00:22:01,555 --> 00:22:04,755 But his wife was seen; they saw Teresa 261 00:22:04,875 --> 00:22:07,555 8 days later getting stuff from home. 262 00:22:07,675 --> 00:22:10,395 Later, she was spotted cashing a cheque. 263 00:22:10,475 --> 00:22:13,595 Teresa was seen at their home, 264 00:22:13,755 --> 00:22:16,235 picking up some things. 265 00:22:16,315 --> 00:22:19,515 When Jacobo disappeared, 266 00:22:19,635 --> 00:22:20,635 he vanished. 267 00:22:20,875 --> 00:22:23,475 We know nothing of him since the 8th December. 268 00:22:23,595 --> 00:22:25,795 But Tere appeared 269 00:22:25,915 --> 00:22:28,475 on the 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 270 00:22:28,595 --> 00:22:32,435 and the 20th. After a month she was still around, 271 00:22:32,555 --> 00:22:34,195 calm, in good spirits. 272 00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:36,475 Chief Superintendent Padilla 273 00:22:36,595 --> 00:22:40,595 bugged Teresa's phone; 274 00:22:40,715 --> 00:22:42,675 it's forbidden, but he did anyway. 275 00:22:42,835 --> 00:22:47,075 We notified the Government Prosecutor for instructions 276 00:22:47,195 --> 00:22:50,195 to arrest someone 277 00:22:50,595 --> 00:22:55,315 linked to Marรญa Teresa's calls. 278 00:22:55,835 --> 00:22:58,395 He was a school caretaker. 279 00:22:58,555 --> 00:23:02,915 He looked paramilitary, had paramilitary training, 280 00:23:03,035 --> 00:23:05,755 karate training, wore military boots. 281 00:23:06,355 --> 00:23:08,115 It's unusual, unlikely, 282 00:23:08,275 --> 00:23:11,315 to find this in a school caretaker. 283 00:23:12,515 --> 00:23:15,515 They caught a guy who was Teresa's assistant. 284 00:23:16,475 --> 00:23:18,995 He was weird, it was like he was 285 00:23:19,075 --> 00:23:21,595 ill due to the odd way he walked. 286 00:23:21,715 --> 00:23:24,155 He did all Teresa's jobs. Who knows 287 00:23:24,275 --> 00:23:25,755 if they were clean or dirty jobs. 288 00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:27,555 I remember the arrest. 289 00:23:27,715 --> 00:23:30,915 We asked him about Teresa and Dr. Grinberg. 290 00:23:31,075 --> 00:23:35,315 He denied everything until the end of the investigation in '96. 291 00:23:35,875 --> 00:23:38,115 He was the main suspect. 292 00:23:38,675 --> 00:23:42,115 Teresa probably killed Jacobo, she had to be found. 293 00:23:42,275 --> 00:23:43,675 Teresa disappeared. 294 00:23:47,755 --> 00:23:51,435 If there was no connection she'd also be looking for him. 295 00:23:52,275 --> 00:23:55,195 I don't know why she disappeared, never to appear again. 296 00:24:01,435 --> 00:24:03,475 The housekeeper said 297 00:24:04,195 --> 00:24:09,115 that Marรญa Teresa was accompanied by a blonde woman, 298 00:24:09,235 --> 00:24:12,555 took the dining furniture and her personal effects, 299 00:24:12,875 --> 00:24:15,635 and left the house with their dog. 300 00:24:16,675 --> 00:24:21,075 She had a blonde friend who was a witch. 301 00:24:21,355 --> 00:24:25,395 It's significant that she was always with a blonde woman. 302 00:24:27,755 --> 00:24:29,795 Her mother always denied 303 00:24:29,915 --> 00:24:32,355 seeing Teresa. 304 00:24:32,435 --> 00:24:36,275 There is evidence of phone calls between 305 00:24:36,355 --> 00:24:39,955 Teresa and her mother after Jacobo disappeared. 306 00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:47,755 Between 15th October and 1st December, 307 00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:52,395 there are 11 calls with a total of 65 minutes, 308 00:24:52,515 --> 00:24:54,715 despite her claims she hasn't heard 309 00:24:54,835 --> 00:24:58,515 from her daughter since 1982. 310 00:25:00,435 --> 00:25:02,595 She was obviously lying. 311 00:25:02,715 --> 00:25:05,955 She was probably withholding something too. 312 00:25:14,715 --> 00:25:16,835 There were sightings of her 313 00:25:17,075 --> 00:25:19,115 in the north of the republic, 314 00:25:19,235 --> 00:25:22,995 and in places where she had relatives. 315 00:25:23,395 --> 00:25:25,515 This is in the police report. 316 00:25:26,795 --> 00:25:28,875 The last time Teresa's mother 317 00:25:28,995 --> 00:25:31,675 was in contact with her 318 00:25:31,835 --> 00:25:34,035 was the 10th May '95. 319 00:25:34,155 --> 00:25:36,035 The conversation lasted 10 minutes 320 00:25:36,155 --> 00:25:39,755 from Baja California, to her mother's house. 321 00:25:40,675 --> 00:25:43,275 I sent officers to the address. 322 00:25:43,395 --> 00:25:46,835 They flew to Tijuana, journeyed to Rosarito, 323 00:25:47,035 --> 00:25:50,115 but Teresa Mendoza was gone. 324 00:25:50,355 --> 00:25:52,995 Why isn't she there? Who warned her? 325 00:25:54,915 --> 00:25:58,235 He disappeared, his wife is a fugitive, 326 00:25:58,355 --> 00:25:59,955 and her mother is lying. 327 00:26:00,475 --> 00:26:02,475 We know many things, 328 00:26:02,675 --> 00:26:04,675 but we couldn't act legally, 329 00:26:04,795 --> 00:26:06,595 the law protects them. 330 00:26:06,755 --> 00:26:09,235 That's the law and besides, 331 00:26:09,355 --> 00:26:10,955 there's no body. 332 00:26:11,475 --> 00:26:13,275 I asked the detective 333 00:26:13,355 --> 00:26:16,875 what he thought, even off the record: 334 00:26:17,515 --> 00:26:19,875 Was there was a plan? 335 00:26:19,995 --> 00:26:21,755 ''This was planned'', he said, 336 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:24,275 but why and by whom, he didn't know. 337 00:26:24,715 --> 00:26:27,275 It's significant that he believed it a plan. 338 00:26:27,395 --> 00:26:29,715 - Yes. - Not a crime of passion. 339 00:26:29,835 --> 00:26:33,035 Well, here's the important information 340 00:26:33,155 --> 00:26:37,315 that makes me think, or at least from what Padilla said 341 00:26:37,475 --> 00:26:41,395 makes me think it wasn't a crime of passion: 342 00:26:41,595 --> 00:26:45,915 When they searched one of Jacobo's houses, 343 00:26:46,235 --> 00:26:50,235 they discovered the CPUs and mainframes were missing. 344 00:26:52,715 --> 00:26:57,035 We saw that the mainframe of the computer was missing, 345 00:26:57,195 --> 00:27:00,235 there wasn't a single floppy or compact disc 346 00:27:00,755 --> 00:27:02,675 or CD Rom. 347 00:27:02,875 --> 00:27:07,875 The books and theses he was working on were gone 348 00:27:09,435 --> 00:27:11,475 from all the houses 349 00:27:11,595 --> 00:27:12,875 we searched. 350 00:27:12,995 --> 00:27:17,715 If it was theft, that means someone was especially interested 351 00:27:17,835 --> 00:27:21,275 in Jacobo's line of investigation. 352 00:27:37,435 --> 00:27:41,435 We interact with an informational matrix, 353 00:27:41,555 --> 00:27:43,715 with an informational field, 354 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:49,955 that contains all the information in each one of its sections. 355 00:27:50,075 --> 00:27:53,475 It's a kind of holographic informational matrix. 356 00:27:54,195 --> 00:27:56,755 The brain interacts with this field 357 00:27:56,875 --> 00:28:00,075 and the end result of this cerebral processing 358 00:28:00,195 --> 00:28:03,315 is the perceptual reality that appears 359 00:28:03,435 --> 00:28:05,115 as we know it: 360 00:28:05,235 --> 00:28:10,395 Objects with their colours, shapes and textures. 361 00:29:14,835 --> 00:29:18,595 Jacobo went to New York to do a PhD, 362 00:29:18,835 --> 00:29:23,515 and this is when he began earnestly 363 00:29:23,635 --> 00:29:26,755 to look for answers. 364 00:29:27,195 --> 00:29:29,715 I don't mean non-scientific, 365 00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:33,475 but para-scientific or meta-scientific. 366 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:37,195 Jacobo and I separated. 367 00:29:37,755 --> 00:29:40,875 He decided to go to New York. 368 00:29:42,555 --> 00:29:45,515 It was a huge change. He separated from his wife, 369 00:29:45,755 --> 00:29:47,675 and with the separation, 370 00:29:48,195 --> 00:29:54,275 and also the influence of counter-culture, 371 00:29:55,435 --> 00:29:56,715 he changed. 372 00:30:00,995 --> 00:30:04,835 He grew a beard and didn't study what he used to study. 373 00:30:05,435 --> 00:30:09,275 He changed the focus of his studies to consciousness, 374 00:30:09,555 --> 00:30:13,835 and whether there was something that united all human beings. 375 00:30:15,635 --> 00:30:20,155 Everyone in New York knew about Roy John. 376 00:30:21,035 --> 00:30:25,515 He was very interesting, doing really advanced stuff. 377 00:30:26,875 --> 00:30:30,795 He also met the creator of holography. 378 00:30:30,995 --> 00:30:34,355 Then he found a group of friends 379 00:30:34,475 --> 00:30:37,315 who were also scientists, 380 00:30:37,435 --> 00:30:39,475 and were experimenting 381 00:30:39,635 --> 00:30:43,955 with similar things, like LSD trips. 382 00:30:44,075 --> 00:30:45,795 In some way, 383 00:30:45,915 --> 00:30:49,715 those trips affected him, 384 00:30:49,835 --> 00:30:51,795 the way he perceived things. 385 00:30:51,995 --> 00:30:54,875 He accepted things he came across, 386 00:30:54,995 --> 00:31:00,315 and always wanted to add them to his body of research. 387 00:31:00,475 --> 00:31:03,155 Jacobo took off after meeting Roy John. 388 00:31:03,315 --> 00:31:07,275 When he got to New York to start his PhD. 389 00:31:07,355 --> 00:31:09,195 He told me: 390 00:31:09,555 --> 00:31:12,995 ''Sometimes I go cycling in New York, 391 00:31:13,115 --> 00:31:14,675 I close my eyes, 392 00:31:15,155 --> 00:31:20,395 cross a road full of traffic on my bike, 393 00:31:21,155 --> 00:31:24,915 and if I don't get knocked down or die, 394 00:31:24,995 --> 00:31:26,955 I know I'm not meant to die 395 00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:29,835 and I'm here for a reason.'' 396 00:31:30,755 --> 00:31:33,315 He did these experiments, and I said: 397 00:31:33,595 --> 00:31:37,715 ''Jacobo, don't! You're going to die like that, 398 00:31:37,915 --> 00:31:39,715 and we need you.'' 399 00:31:39,875 --> 00:31:42,795 I would say: ''You're going to win a Nobel Prize. 400 00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:45,875 I'm sure you're going to win a Nobel.'' 401 00:31:47,555 --> 00:31:49,675 Do you accept the possibility of these events? 402 00:31:49,755 --> 00:31:52,195 He said: ''I don't I accept the possibility, 403 00:31:52,315 --> 00:31:53,875 I said they are real.'' 404 00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:57,675 I didn't believe this until my hands were soaked 405 00:31:57,755 --> 00:32:00,515 in Pachita's blood. There's Grinberg, 406 00:32:00,915 --> 00:32:03,635 who has experienced hours and hours too... 407 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,635 Why don't you explain 408 00:32:05,755 --> 00:32:07,435 who Pachita is? 409 00:32:07,555 --> 00:32:09,155 Pachita is a Mexican healer 410 00:32:09,315 --> 00:32:11,955 who opened bodies, skulls, with a knife, 411 00:32:12,075 --> 00:32:13,635 and pulled stuff out. 412 00:32:13,835 --> 00:32:15,515 I'm a scientist, 413 00:32:15,635 --> 00:32:19,715 I have a laboratory, I study cerebral activity, 414 00:32:19,835 --> 00:32:21,395 cerebral physiology. 415 00:32:21,515 --> 00:32:24,515 I was invited to meet Pachita, 416 00:32:24,635 --> 00:32:27,835 and her operations. And what I saw there 417 00:32:28,475 --> 00:32:30,515 initially contradicted 418 00:32:30,755 --> 00:32:32,915 my whole concept 419 00:32:33,075 --> 00:32:35,635 and knowledge I had about reality. 420 00:32:42,835 --> 00:32:46,435 The sister of Lรณpez Portillo, the President of Mexico, 421 00:32:46,835 --> 00:32:49,995 met him at the university, and she says: 422 00:32:50,155 --> 00:32:54,235 ''Jacobo, I'm going to help with your research 423 00:32:54,315 --> 00:32:56,555 more than you think. 424 00:32:56,675 --> 00:32:59,995 Come to the National Palace 425 00:33:00,515 --> 00:33:03,315 and I'll introduce you to someone who 426 00:33:03,435 --> 00:33:04,995 will help you a lot.'' 427 00:33:05,315 --> 00:33:09,875 Margarita was a totally mystic person. 428 00:33:10,235 --> 00:33:14,075 They all lived in the presidential building Los Pinos. 429 00:33:15,755 --> 00:33:18,395 The guards let them through, 430 00:33:18,875 --> 00:33:22,235 he was to be welcomed by the president's sister, 431 00:33:22,355 --> 00:33:24,315 Margarita Lรณpez Portillo. 432 00:33:24,435 --> 00:33:29,795 They were in a garden full of cages with birds of Mexico, 433 00:33:29,875 --> 00:33:33,275 when suddenly all the birds started singing 434 00:33:33,475 --> 00:33:35,475 in unison. 435 00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:41,475 They see a short woman with native features 436 00:33:41,595 --> 00:33:43,595 walking towards them. 437 00:33:43,955 --> 00:33:45,435 It was Pachita. 438 00:33:45,995 --> 00:33:48,355 Jacobo was impressed 439 00:33:48,555 --> 00:33:50,555 by all that Pachita says she does. 440 00:33:50,675 --> 00:33:56,075 To meet her in Los Pinos was even more impressive, 441 00:33:56,195 --> 00:33:59,235 what was a woman like her doing in Los Pinos? 442 00:34:00,395 --> 00:34:03,795 Pachita invited him to see her operations, 443 00:34:03,915 --> 00:34:06,795 magical and impressive, 444 00:34:07,515 --> 00:34:09,675 and Jacobo goes straight away. 445 00:34:09,835 --> 00:34:14,235 What I really remember is that he used to come back 446 00:34:14,395 --> 00:34:17,995 at midnight with his lab coats 447 00:34:18,075 --> 00:34:20,715 all bloodstained. 448 00:34:25,675 --> 00:34:29,115 Someone said: ''I am Dr. Jacobo Grinberg, 449 00:34:29,715 --> 00:34:32,195 I'm studying Pachita, and I found out 450 00:34:32,315 --> 00:34:36,115 you were her last assistant, I'd like to speak to you.'' 451 00:34:36,235 --> 00:34:37,355 ''Yes, sure.'' 452 00:34:38,675 --> 00:34:42,795 He was very interested in my experience. 453 00:34:49,115 --> 00:34:50,955 She removed and replaced vertebrae. 454 00:34:51,315 --> 00:34:54,315 She operated on things that were inoperable. 455 00:34:54,675 --> 00:34:56,475 She could open your skull, 456 00:34:56,875 --> 00:35:00,235 spine, or remove a vertebra, replace it, 457 00:35:00,315 --> 00:35:01,755 and you left walking. 458 00:35:02,835 --> 00:35:06,755 I assisted so many operation sessions over 2 years, 459 00:35:07,195 --> 00:35:10,315 holding a cotton pad in my hands or alcohol. 460 00:35:10,915 --> 00:35:14,555 The more I observed and looked, and looked again, 461 00:35:15,275 --> 00:35:17,235 the woman had ability. 462 00:35:18,795 --> 00:35:21,315 She used a hunting knife to make a cut 463 00:35:21,475 --> 00:35:23,915 that she could have done with her hand, 464 00:35:23,995 --> 00:35:27,075 but used it for people to see she used a tool. 465 00:35:27,555 --> 00:35:29,355 She said she was a medium, 466 00:35:29,955 --> 00:35:33,835 and that she really had special spiritual abilities, 467 00:35:34,155 --> 00:35:37,395 and believed she was the last Aztec king. 468 00:35:38,115 --> 00:35:42,155 The spirit of the last Aztec king was inside her. 469 00:36:15,115 --> 00:36:17,595 What I learnt was that I can't say what 470 00:36:17,715 --> 00:36:19,835 the limit of human capacity is. 471 00:36:20,195 --> 00:36:22,595 Since that experience I wouldn't dare say 472 00:36:22,715 --> 00:36:24,875 that human beings can't do this, 473 00:36:24,995 --> 00:36:28,435 or the brain has such a limit to its potentiality, 474 00:36:28,555 --> 00:36:34,515 but rather it seems that we are in a continuous infinity, 475 00:36:34,715 --> 00:36:37,315 and we don't know where it ends. 476 00:36:37,875 --> 00:36:41,315 It was significant for Jacobo 477 00:36:41,435 --> 00:36:43,995 when he broke with scientific canons 478 00:36:44,075 --> 00:36:49,755 because he said: ''If the canons are unable to explain this, 479 00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:53,435 then what use are they? I have to explain it in a way 480 00:36:53,595 --> 00:36:54,755 by my science.'' 481 00:36:55,035 --> 00:36:57,875 Science isn't defined by subject, 482 00:36:58,115 --> 00:37:00,355 it's defined by method. 483 00:37:00,555 --> 00:37:03,395 You can research what you want, good or bad. 484 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:06,475 You investigate well that's science, 485 00:37:06,595 --> 00:37:09,515 you investigate badly, you're a charlatan. 486 00:37:09,715 --> 00:37:12,235 He pushed boundaries, and of course 487 00:37:12,395 --> 00:37:14,315 it caused him many problems. 488 00:37:14,475 --> 00:37:18,635 Colleagues asked what was a scientist doing in this research? 489 00:37:18,755 --> 00:37:21,995 A psychophysiologist? But he dared. 490 00:37:22,355 --> 00:37:26,035 He always went back to the laboratory. 491 00:37:26,195 --> 00:37:28,835 The scientists saw him as a shaman. 492 00:37:29,875 --> 00:37:31,995 The shamans saw a scientist. 493 00:37:32,155 --> 00:37:34,635 He was between two worlds. It was hard. 494 00:37:41,155 --> 00:37:42,755 The brain, 495 00:37:43,075 --> 00:37:46,515 when interacting with this pre-spatial informational field, 496 00:37:46,635 --> 00:37:49,115 creates the perceptual reality. 497 00:37:49,235 --> 00:37:53,835 Once created, this reality actually exists. 498 00:37:54,195 --> 00:37:56,315 What we are seeing, 499 00:37:56,435 --> 00:37:59,075 colours and shapes, exist, 500 00:37:59,195 --> 00:38:01,915 but they exist as a consciousness. 501 00:38:02,035 --> 00:38:04,595 In accordance with this idea, Pachita 502 00:38:04,755 --> 00:38:07,875 was situated in this consciousness directly. 503 00:38:07,995 --> 00:38:10,835 The laws of consciousness that we call the world, 504 00:38:10,955 --> 00:38:14,115 which in fact is pure consciousness, 505 00:38:14,355 --> 00:38:16,515 were managed by her in some way. 506 00:38:16,635 --> 00:38:19,115 All science is a Faustian pact. 507 00:38:19,235 --> 00:38:23,355 He would try to dominate forces that go beyond it. 508 00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:26,835 He would try with technology, in the lab itself, 509 00:38:26,995 --> 00:38:30,075 looking for an answer that eludes 510 00:38:30,195 --> 00:38:32,195 the resources available. 511 00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:33,995 But in the Grinberg case 512 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:38,995 if you search too desperately one risks getting burned. 513 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:42,075 All mythological structure warns us 514 00:38:42,395 --> 00:38:45,235 that getting too close to the truth, 515 00:38:45,355 --> 00:38:49,875 or to a reality for which we are not prepared, 516 00:38:50,235 --> 00:38:53,195 is a reality that can destroy us. 517 00:38:57,275 --> 00:38:59,835 Margarita isn't just the president's sister 518 00:38:59,955 --> 00:39:03,435 she was very influential, 519 00:39:04,555 --> 00:39:08,075 and Jacobo had a lot of influence on Margarita. 520 00:39:08,755 --> 00:39:11,155 So, Jacobo suddenly becomes 521 00:39:12,035 --> 00:39:13,515 someone 522 00:39:13,835 --> 00:39:17,675 with a direct access, and with an influence. 523 00:39:19,435 --> 00:39:22,155 To my knowledge, there was a request 524 00:39:22,275 --> 00:39:26,875 not to announce the meeting between Jacobo and Pachita. 525 00:39:28,035 --> 00:39:29,275 Why? 526 00:39:29,475 --> 00:39:31,155 Why not? 527 00:39:31,755 --> 00:39:34,395 If Pachita was in Los Pinos, 528 00:39:34,475 --> 00:39:36,995 and if they used shamans 529 00:39:38,155 --> 00:39:42,515 to cure someone in Los Pinos, well, who cares? 530 00:39:42,635 --> 00:39:45,715 Everyone in Mexico goes to shamans. 531 00:40:15,155 --> 00:40:16,995 We made TV programmes, 532 00:40:17,435 --> 00:40:20,275 newspaper articles, interviews... 533 00:40:22,995 --> 00:40:25,355 trying to get information. 534 00:40:28,035 --> 00:40:31,195 Look, this is a photo of me and my dad. 535 00:40:32,595 --> 00:40:36,075 Something was wrong, my dad didn't turn up. 536 00:40:36,155 --> 00:40:40,755 What was going on? We were looking for him everywhere. 537 00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:45,075 I was part of a music group and I made music. 538 00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:47,115 I worked as a musician, 539 00:40:47,235 --> 00:40:52,515 and back then I was in a group called Cielo y Tierra. 540 00:40:52,675 --> 00:40:54,955 We were promoting our music 541 00:40:55,515 --> 00:40:58,235 so we were on many TV programmes. 542 00:40:58,395 --> 00:41:04,395 On ''Siempre en Domingo'', I asked permission to show 543 00:41:04,955 --> 00:41:07,715 my dad's photo to see if anyone had seen him, 544 00:41:07,835 --> 00:41:10,315 and to contact me if so. 545 00:41:22,235 --> 00:41:24,515 The programme ''Siempre en Domingo'' 546 00:41:24,635 --> 00:41:26,115 was very famous in Mexico. 547 00:41:26,315 --> 00:41:28,755 His photo was shown and people began to talk, 548 00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:31,995 as expected, as people always think they 549 00:41:32,195 --> 00:41:35,555 have information. There was one who was more credible 550 00:41:35,675 --> 00:41:39,115 or at least the Chief Superintendent thought so. 551 00:41:40,235 --> 00:41:44,235 Padilla went to see a janitor who cleaned in Boulder, Colorado. 552 00:41:44,395 --> 00:41:48,595 He was Mexican and worked in a laboratory, 553 00:41:48,675 --> 00:41:51,275 apparently a secret laboratory. 554 00:41:53,835 --> 00:41:57,475 This guy said he saw Jacobo in this place, 555 00:41:57,595 --> 00:41:59,355 Boulder, in Colorado. 556 00:41:59,515 --> 00:42:01,595 Jacobo never would have left Estusha. 557 00:42:01,955 --> 00:42:06,155 And that was when that witness pointed out 558 00:42:06,315 --> 00:42:08,595 that Jacobo and Marรญa Teresa 559 00:42:08,715 --> 00:42:11,235 were accompanied by the blonde, 560 00:42:11,355 --> 00:42:14,275 and two FBI agents escorting Grinberg 561 00:42:14,755 --> 00:42:16,875 in Boulder, Colorado. 562 00:42:17,795 --> 00:42:22,155 It was a private jet from which several agents got out of, 563 00:42:22,715 --> 00:42:26,195 and someone who was my cousin according to him. 564 00:42:26,755 --> 00:42:27,875 Cousin Jacobo. 565 00:42:28,355 --> 00:42:31,395 And they took him by car, according to him. 566 00:42:43,075 --> 00:42:45,315 According to the circumstances and the way 567 00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:47,395 in which it occurred, 568 00:42:47,555 --> 00:42:49,395 this wasn't a voluntary disappearance. 569 00:42:50,875 --> 00:42:52,995 This is why it's serious. 570 00:42:53,435 --> 00:42:56,075 We're saying that there were forces 571 00:42:57,515 --> 00:43:01,475 that planned this disappearance very well indeed. 572 00:43:02,515 --> 00:43:08,275 It likely points to blackmail, coercion, or extortion to extract 573 00:43:08,635 --> 00:43:12,995 the secrets of his experiments for a specific objective. 574 00:43:13,235 --> 00:43:17,355 There are several combinations, and there is a mixture 575 00:43:17,515 --> 00:43:20,555 of probable factors pointing to kidnapping. 576 00:43:22,435 --> 00:43:25,795 When you think about it... 577 00:43:25,915 --> 00:43:31,395 if consciousness is not local and you want to exploit the idea 578 00:43:31,555 --> 00:43:34,755 and influence this consciousness... 579 00:43:35,955 --> 00:43:38,195 Many people were very interested in 580 00:43:39,315 --> 00:43:41,235 influencing the collective consciousness. 581 00:43:46,755 --> 00:43:50,315 The studies were very complex and very long. 582 00:43:50,555 --> 00:43:54,555 Jacobo Grinberg has spent many years dedicated to shamans, 583 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:56,475 the interaction of mind and matter. 584 00:43:56,635 --> 00:43:59,995 Where are you up to with your investigations? 585 00:44:00,475 --> 00:44:03,275 I'm still in the laboratory, working hard 586 00:44:03,395 --> 00:44:07,475 because there is much to do, and many hypotheses to try. 587 00:44:07,595 --> 00:44:11,995 We are currently waiting for a professor to arrive from India; 588 00:44:12,115 --> 00:44:17,075 a colleague who is very interested in the study of transferred potential, 589 00:44:17,195 --> 00:44:18,835 brain to brain interaction. 590 00:44:19,195 --> 00:44:23,275 We will try a long-distance experiment of transferred potential 591 00:44:23,395 --> 00:44:25,755 between India and Mexico. 592 00:45:56,795 --> 00:46:02,315 Aspect proves it, so he emphasises quantum physics. 593 00:46:02,435 --> 00:46:05,795 And what Jacobo says is: ''Well, if two particles 594 00:46:05,915 --> 00:46:09,795 function this way, then two brains work like this.'' 595 00:46:10,115 --> 00:46:13,315 This is his basis for transferred potential. 596 00:46:33,875 --> 00:46:39,275 There was someone in Faraday's chamber in the doctor's lab, 597 00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:41,915 and another in a different lab. 598 00:46:42,275 --> 00:46:47,275 One of them received a very clear luminous stimulation. 599 00:46:47,395 --> 00:46:50,875 As expected, and seen in many studies, 600 00:46:50,995 --> 00:46:54,195 there was a peak in activity in the occipital lobes. 601 00:46:54,275 --> 00:46:58,595 But when we analysed the graph of the other subject, 602 00:46:58,715 --> 00:47:01,955 who hadn't received any stimulation and was in the dark, 603 00:47:02,155 --> 00:47:05,475 we also found a peak. 604 00:47:05,595 --> 00:47:09,075 Not on the same scale, but in the same time 605 00:47:09,195 --> 00:47:11,315 and the same shape. 606 00:48:06,835 --> 00:48:11,395 We had the permission, the doctor, both teams, everything 607 00:48:11,515 --> 00:48:12,875 and Jacobo disappeared. 608 00:48:25,395 --> 00:48:30,035 Why Boulder? Well, the only reason we found 609 00:48:30,115 --> 00:48:34,675 is that Rand Corporation is a subsidiary company 610 00:48:34,795 --> 00:48:37,955 of the US Secretary of State 611 00:48:38,075 --> 00:48:42,715 that controls all science, discoveries, 612 00:48:42,875 --> 00:48:47,835 and investigations. The Rand Corporation had even 613 00:48:47,955 --> 00:48:53,275 previously carried out an experiment with people inside a submarine 614 00:48:54,115 --> 00:48:58,955 who sent messages using their minds to an external satellite. 615 00:48:59,635 --> 00:49:02,795 So, imagine that someone comes and tells you: 616 00:49:02,995 --> 00:49:08,355 ''I have the formula for the system.'' Well, if you 617 00:49:08,955 --> 00:49:12,395 don't agree to sell it for some reason, 618 00:49:14,595 --> 00:49:17,235 I'll take it by force, and kidnap you. 619 00:49:17,475 --> 00:49:22,355 He told me he started to touch a nerve. 620 00:49:22,475 --> 00:49:26,155 He wasn't specific, but they did start to put obstacles 621 00:49:26,315 --> 00:49:29,195 in the way of the investigation. 622 00:49:29,755 --> 00:49:31,035 Who did this? 623 00:49:31,155 --> 00:49:33,035 I guess it was superiors. 624 00:49:33,155 --> 00:49:36,395 Chief Superintendent Padilla disappeared, 625 00:49:36,675 --> 00:49:37,914 and we were told 626 00:49:37,915 --> 00:49:41,435 there had been a purge in the Attorney's office. 627 00:49:41,555 --> 00:49:43,715 - During the case? - Yes. 628 00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:48,795 Padilla and I never... Just suddenly I couldn't 629 00:49:48,875 --> 00:49:53,795 contact him, not by phone, even his home phone. 630 00:49:54,275 --> 00:49:55,275 Nothing. 631 00:49:55,435 --> 00:50:00,035 I tried phoning him on this number with a code... 632 00:50:00,155 --> 00:50:05,355 Obviously nothing. And I don't have his home number. 633 00:50:06,115 --> 00:50:08,275 He suddenly sends me an email. 634 00:50:08,955 --> 00:50:10,755 Clemente Padilla, wow! 635 00:50:12,195 --> 00:50:15,595 He said the doctor was in a US mental hospital. 636 00:50:15,755 --> 00:50:21,275 I replied on the same day, he didn't reply, I never heard from 637 00:50:21,675 --> 00:50:25,795 the detective again, and this is typical of the case. 638 00:50:26,275 --> 00:50:30,115 It has been like this from the beginning. 639 00:52:58,355 --> 00:53:01,995 Carlos Castaneda was from Peru. 640 00:53:02,595 --> 00:53:07,275 He arrived in the US as an immigrant and was educated in Los Angeles. 641 00:53:07,395 --> 00:53:11,355 He did an Anthopology PhD at the University of California, 642 00:53:11,475 --> 00:53:15,995 and presented his doctoral thesis as a book that became a classic 643 00:53:16,515 --> 00:53:19,635 of counter-culture during the 60s titled: 644 00:53:19,795 --> 00:53:21,515 ''The Teachings of Don Juan.'' 645 00:53:32,355 --> 00:53:37,595 Castaneda asked me to invite people who might be interested. 646 00:53:37,755 --> 00:53:41,715 I invited Jacobo, and they started a great friendship. 647 00:53:41,995 --> 00:53:45,635 Jacobo had the opportunity to speak to him, 648 00:53:46,235 --> 00:53:49,875 in such profound terms of knowledge, 649 00:53:50,195 --> 00:53:55,115 that Castaneda himself was surprised, and applauded. 650 00:53:55,275 --> 00:53:57,755 ''Bravo, bravo Jacobo!'' But he understood that. 651 00:53:57,875 --> 00:54:01,995 Castaneda's knowledge was something that could decipher 652 00:54:02,155 --> 00:54:05,675 the mystery of life, of human beings, of the world. 653 00:54:05,795 --> 00:54:09,675 He knew that to go further he had to transform himself. 654 00:54:11,635 --> 00:54:16,435 He knew he had to get away from the world, and all its temptations. 655 00:54:17,875 --> 00:54:22,035 It was a book of our youth. 656 00:54:22,275 --> 00:54:27,715 Carlos Castaneda was a turning point because he put you in another reality. 657 00:54:29,475 --> 00:54:33,555 You read the first book, the second, the third, 658 00:54:33,675 --> 00:54:37,315 he become famous and he used his fame for many things. 659 00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:40,795 Jacobo loathed this. 660 00:54:41,435 --> 00:54:45,755 Jacobo knew he couldn't detach from his success, his achievements 661 00:54:45,955 --> 00:54:47,555 nor his daughter, eh! 662 00:54:48,195 --> 00:54:51,195 Castaneda made him see he was 663 00:54:52,675 --> 00:54:57,475 overly dependent on his daughter, let's say. 664 00:54:58,715 --> 00:55:03,315 There was a woman in this group who had a son. 665 00:55:03,475 --> 00:55:07,675 She was a single mother, and Castaneda told her 666 00:55:07,795 --> 00:55:09,995 to leave her son. 667 00:55:10,155 --> 00:55:13,035 To be part of the group, she had to leave him. 668 00:55:13,155 --> 00:55:16,435 So, my dad began to realise this, 669 00:55:16,595 --> 00:55:20,475 and he was totally against Castaneda. 670 00:55:20,635 --> 00:55:25,075 He knew he had to detach from everything to carry out 671 00:55:25,195 --> 00:55:28,995 a serious process of spiritual development, to drop everything 672 00:55:29,075 --> 00:55:30,955 and be unknown. 673 00:55:31,755 --> 00:55:36,075 ''I felt watched after I decided to break contact 674 00:55:36,195 --> 00:55:37,595 with Castaneda. 675 00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:40,395 I can't tell you everything by phone, 676 00:55:40,515 --> 00:55:43,395 but I am a little scared.'' 677 00:55:54,435 --> 00:55:58,235 He was a man who was very interested in power, 678 00:55:58,395 --> 00:56:02,995 in control, and obsessed with having control over others. 679 00:56:03,115 --> 00:56:07,795 Castaneda told Jacobo that he was very interested in his mind. 680 00:56:08,835 --> 00:56:12,635 I don't know what that expression might mean. 681 00:56:12,755 --> 00:56:14,795 Why was he interested in his mind? 682 00:56:14,915 --> 00:56:19,475 Castaneda recognised that Jacobo had a very powerful mind. 683 00:56:19,635 --> 00:56:23,155 It seems there were conflicts between Castaneda and Grinberg. 684 00:56:23,275 --> 00:56:25,755 Grinberg confided to colleagues that 685 00:56:25,875 --> 00:56:29,355 he only wanted power, and he was insane. 686 00:56:29,475 --> 00:56:33,275 Jacobo lacked understanding of the. 687 00:56:35,795 --> 00:56:37,075 Castaneda phenomenon 688 00:56:37,235 --> 00:56:39,795 as there were elements difficult to understand, 689 00:56:39,955 --> 00:56:41,395 contradictions. 690 00:56:41,595 --> 00:56:45,395 Castaneda's goal is to reach complete consciousness. 691 00:56:45,755 --> 00:56:48,995 Where one perceives all of reality and other 692 00:56:49,115 --> 00:56:52,995 worlds of reality, something Jacobo learnt later. 693 00:56:53,435 --> 00:56:55,275 There are many worlds in reality. 694 00:56:55,875 --> 00:56:59,075 The freedom comes from your own knowledge. 695 00:56:59,795 --> 00:57:02,075 The more you know, the freer you are, 696 00:57:02,395 --> 00:57:07,035 and the more you know, the more you can exercise that freedom, 697 00:57:07,195 --> 00:57:12,195 you're less subjected to pressure, or to... 698 00:57:12,355 --> 00:57:14,675 aspects that prevent you being free. 699 00:57:15,155 --> 00:57:18,675 Freedom comes from self-knowledge. 700 00:57:18,955 --> 00:57:22,435 The more knowledge, the more freedom. 701 00:57:23,355 --> 00:57:26,835 If you read Castaneda and Grinberg, you realise that 702 00:57:26,995 --> 00:57:30,115 you are faced with a sorcerer, Castaneda, whereas. 703 00:57:30,235 --> 00:57:34,115 Grinberg is openly seeking things that he is looking for. 704 00:57:34,275 --> 00:57:37,595 The question is: Why would Castaneda want. 705 00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:38,995 Grinberg to disappear? 706 00:57:39,195 --> 00:57:43,235 This gave a mysterious nature to the investigation. 707 00:57:43,355 --> 00:57:47,195 Combined with all the investigations he did into shamans, 708 00:57:47,275 --> 00:57:52,395 Pachita and the magic operations, everything turned... 709 00:57:52,475 --> 00:57:57,995 This whole investigation became a veil of secrecy 710 00:57:58,755 --> 00:58:01,035 over Jacobo's death. 711 00:58:46,995 --> 00:58:51,755 Jacobo said he had beings that helped him, and as he talked to them 712 00:58:51,875 --> 00:58:56,395 they came close to him... and they helped him a lot. 713 00:58:57,755 --> 00:59:02,155 But in the end, he wasn't very keen to keep in contact with them. 714 00:59:03,835 --> 00:59:06,955 And ''they'' disintegrated him here. 715 00:59:07,195 --> 00:59:09,075 He's in another place. 716 00:59:10,475 --> 00:59:12,595 He can't leave. 717 00:59:13,035 --> 00:59:15,515 They have him trapped. 718 00:59:16,075 --> 00:59:19,035 ''He's chained'', they said. 719 00:59:19,675 --> 00:59:21,355 ''Don't look for him.'' 720 00:59:21,635 --> 00:59:23,715 That's the information I have. 721 00:59:32,635 --> 00:59:36,835 When someone dies, on the anniversary of their death, 722 00:59:36,955 --> 00:59:39,195 there's a prayer called ''Kaddish''. 723 00:59:39,475 --> 00:59:41,275 We asked rabbis: 724 00:59:41,395 --> 00:59:44,435 ''What about a missing person?'' And they answer: 725 00:59:44,595 --> 00:59:48,235 ''He's not dead.'' They always answer the same. 726 00:59:51,195 --> 00:59:54,435 He's at an age that he could still come back. 727 00:59:55,155 --> 01:00:00,475 Maybe in 20 years, who knows? Now Jacobo would be my age. 728 01:00:11,115 --> 01:00:15,595 Once I saw Don Lucio, he was very old by then. 729 01:00:15,755 --> 01:00:20,795 He told me: ''No, your dad is...'' He didn't say he was dead. 730 01:00:21,155 --> 01:00:25,715 ''He's fine, they're... he's fine, they're treating him well.'' 731 01:00:26,035 --> 01:00:30,115 Odd because he told me: ''He's no longer in this world... 732 01:00:30,235 --> 01:00:32,235 He is... but he's fine.'' 733 01:00:33,475 --> 01:00:36,395 Estusha is named after her grandmother 734 01:00:36,555 --> 01:00:37,355 and... 735 01:00:37,475 --> 01:00:38,915 Estusha... 736 01:00:39,595 --> 01:00:41,675 had a brain tumor. 737 01:00:42,315 --> 01:00:46,875 I really needed Jacobo's energy at the time. And I said to him. 738 01:00:47,875 --> 01:00:53,675 ''As you're not here for such a difficult time for your daughter, 739 01:00:53,875 --> 01:00:57,355 do something through my hands, won't you?'' 740 01:00:58,035 --> 01:01:00,795 Then I felt a really strong presence, 741 01:01:01,115 --> 01:01:06,075 and I don't know if half of it was desire, but I felt as if he was there 742 01:01:06,155 --> 01:01:08,195 through my hands. 743 01:01:14,275 --> 01:01:17,275 It provoked in all of us this thing... 744 01:01:17,395 --> 01:01:21,115 I'd be on holiday, and I'd see bearded men, and think: 745 01:01:21,275 --> 01:01:25,315 ''5 years have gone by, maybe Jacobo's lovely black beard 746 01:01:25,435 --> 01:01:28,155 has some grey hairs now.'' 747 01:01:29,075 --> 01:01:33,835 It's a total mystery, isn't it? It's really shocking, 748 01:01:33,955 --> 01:01:35,275 and it never ends. 749 01:01:36,355 --> 01:01:41,155 As much as we want to... take it that he died, when you bring 750 01:01:42,195 --> 01:01:47,115 all this up again, you re-experience the feeling that he could turn up 751 01:01:47,235 --> 01:01:50,755 on any mountain, or in any cave. 752 01:01:55,555 --> 01:02:00,675 It's like being put back in the maze, and you don't see the way out. 753 01:02:00,835 --> 01:02:04,035 You don't see light at the end of the tunnel. 754 01:02:42,915 --> 01:02:44,475 I think I have a lead. 755 01:02:45,355 --> 01:02:48,675 The Chief Superintendent must be in Malinalco. 756 01:02:49,235 --> 01:02:52,235 He didn't want to give me his address, 757 01:02:53,155 --> 01:02:56,555 but I think he's still in Malinalco. 758 01:03:01,995 --> 01:03:06,075 - I'm looking for Clemente Padilla. - Wrong number. 759 01:03:06,195 --> 01:03:07,715 - Wrong number? - Yes. 760 01:03:08,275 --> 01:03:09,995 I'm sorry. Thanks. 761 01:03:19,435 --> 01:03:24,315 Do you know Chief Superintendent Clemente Padilla? 762 01:03:26,315 --> 01:03:31,195 Yes, but it's been a while since he was here. 763 01:03:32,755 --> 01:03:37,635 Yes, he used to live down there, but he's not been here for a while. 764 01:03:37,835 --> 01:03:39,074 He lived there? 765 01:03:39,075 --> 01:03:40,155 Yes, further down. 766 01:03:41,115 --> 01:03:43,475 Ah, Clemente Padilla, 767 01:03:43,635 --> 01:03:47,875 he used to live around San Martรญn, but he sold his house. 768 01:04:11,155 --> 01:04:12,555 Good evening. 769 01:04:31,235 --> 01:04:37,715 I decided to retire after the Jacobo Grinberg case. 770 01:04:37,835 --> 01:04:42,715 I left the city, so nobody could find me. I wanted to get away 771 01:04:42,875 --> 01:04:44,475 from everything. 772 01:04:48,715 --> 01:04:53,195 I keep the Doctor Grinberg tapes here. 773 01:05:00,195 --> 01:05:01,915 Doctor Grinberg file. 774 01:05:07,115 --> 01:05:11,435 When we showed the photo on television, it led to 775 01:05:11,715 --> 01:05:16,835 thousands of calls, until there was a curious one, which was the 776 01:05:17,195 --> 01:05:18,595 Boulder witness. 777 01:05:18,835 --> 01:05:24,395 He told me he was working at a gas station in Boulder, Colorado. 778 01:05:26,555 --> 01:05:29,395 It was between 8:30 and 9:00 am 779 01:05:29,555 --> 01:05:33,075 when a white, six-seater, Cessna airplane landed 780 01:05:33,275 --> 01:05:36,675 and stopped 15 metres from where 781 01:05:36,835 --> 01:05:39,275 this person was. 782 01:05:39,395 --> 01:05:44,035 Two white cars were in the same place, 783 01:05:44,235 --> 01:05:47,555 and two people got out of the plane: 784 01:05:47,675 --> 01:05:51,475 a man and a woman. A bearded man over 40 years old. 785 01:05:51,635 --> 01:05:57,195 The woman was short with light brown hair and they got in the cars. 786 01:05:57,395 --> 01:06:02,435 The man in the first car and the woman in the second one. 787 01:06:02,955 --> 01:06:07,875 I could recognise an FBI agent called Rick Howard 788 01:06:07,995 --> 01:06:12,995 and the North American secret service agent, Marina Velazco. 789 01:06:13,115 --> 01:06:16,995 She's a blonde and attractive 35-year old. 790 01:06:17,435 --> 01:06:21,275 - This could be the blonde. - Exactly. 791 01:06:21,435 --> 01:06:25,915 That's the blonde, but she worked for the North American secret service. 792 01:06:34,355 --> 01:06:38,635 He recognises them because they bought gas at the station 793 01:06:38,795 --> 01:06:42,995 where he worked, which is why he recognises their names. 794 01:06:43,355 --> 01:06:48,795 When he told us all this, I started to investigate what happened in Boulder. 795 01:06:49,275 --> 01:06:52,755 Dr. Grinberg's papers appeared in Boulder. 796 01:06:53,195 --> 01:06:57,235 Nobody knew that Dr. Grinberg collaborated at Boulder University, 797 01:06:57,515 --> 01:06:58,995 he gave conferences. 798 01:06:59,155 --> 01:07:01,795 I didn't know that my dad went to Boulder. 799 01:07:02,635 --> 01:07:06,475 There were meetings, let's say they were secret ones, 800 01:07:06,595 --> 01:07:08,275 as almost nobody knew of them. 801 01:07:09,955 --> 01:07:12,395 He used to travel to South Carolina, 802 01:07:12,795 --> 01:07:16,435 and from there to Boulder. Never direct. 803 01:07:16,635 --> 01:07:20,675 He flew from neighbouring airports, which we thought was odd. 804 01:07:21,795 --> 01:07:24,795 We requested FBI intervention, but they gave us 805 01:07:24,915 --> 01:07:28,075 documentation with no more than Grinberg's arrival 806 01:07:28,195 --> 01:07:31,555 in New York on 1st November, 1994. 807 01:07:31,795 --> 01:07:36,195 I made requests via other means and received three pages 808 01:07:36,555 --> 01:07:39,995 of arrivals and departures for Jacobo Grinberg 809 01:07:40,115 --> 01:07:44,675 and Marรญa Teresa Mendoza at JFK airport in Los Angeles, 810 01:07:45,555 --> 01:07:50,195 Atlanta, and everywhere they visited. 811 01:07:52,275 --> 01:07:53,795 What does that mean? 812 01:07:53,995 --> 01:07:59,915 One of two things: or the FBI was negligent, or they didn't want 813 01:08:00,075 --> 01:08:01,795 to cooperate. 814 01:08:07,075 --> 01:08:11,035 This article by Pulitzer prize winner Daniel Golden 815 01:08:12,835 --> 01:08:16,474 reported: ''How the CIA intelligence services 816 01:08:16,475 --> 01:08:18,395 controls top professors.'' 817 01:08:23,235 --> 01:08:27,435 Hidden behind public organisations, the CIA funds 818 01:08:27,515 --> 01:08:31,835 the scientists and then calls in a favour. 819 01:08:31,995 --> 01:08:36,075 Invitations arrived with incredible salaries to work in 820 01:08:36,195 --> 01:08:39,315 US universities, but he always said no. 821 01:08:40,995 --> 01:08:45,875 The CIA organises conferences for scientists 822 01:08:45,995 --> 01:08:47,395 without them knowing 823 01:08:47,795 --> 01:08:51,795 that the intelligence agency itself is behind 824 01:08:52,115 --> 01:08:53,915 these conferences. 825 01:08:54,395 --> 01:08:58,155 The CIA pressurises the scientists 826 01:08:58,315 --> 01:09:03,075 and may even threaten them in some way so 827 01:09:03,195 --> 01:09:07,235 they accept working on secret government projects. 828 01:09:12,835 --> 01:09:16,995 During November '94, in Costa Rica, 829 01:09:17,115 --> 01:09:19,875 a very important conference was held. 830 01:09:23,355 --> 01:09:26,875 Grinberg talked about telepathic communication. 831 01:09:27,035 --> 01:09:31,315 When he returned to Mexico, his facial expression was different, 832 01:09:31,435 --> 01:09:33,155 nervous and depressed. 833 01:09:33,795 --> 01:09:37,875 After Costa Rica, he lived under tremendous stress. 834 01:09:37,995 --> 01:09:43,075 And this caused a radical change in Jacobo, in his behaviour, 835 01:09:43,195 --> 01:09:45,795 his relation with myself and the rest 836 01:09:46,275 --> 01:09:49,355 of the speakers. Who knows what happened. 837 01:09:50,475 --> 01:09:54,315 We got back from Costa Rica and Jacobo Grinberg strangely 838 01:09:54,595 --> 01:09:58,955 went into a state of shock and was taken to hospital. 839 01:09:59,075 --> 01:10:03,235 The diagnosis was: state of panic and stress. 840 01:10:07,315 --> 01:10:10,755 The doctor saw him experiencing nervousness, 841 01:10:10,915 --> 01:10:14,235 he knew what would happen, but couldn't tell anyone. 842 01:10:14,555 --> 01:10:17,395 Yes, I noticed him being a bit... 843 01:10:17,675 --> 01:10:22,555 a bit strange, like restless, 844 01:10:22,675 --> 01:10:24,555 scared or something. 845 01:10:24,675 --> 01:10:27,155 ''If anything happens, I'm counting on you...'' 846 01:10:27,355 --> 01:10:29,595 It was odd that he said that. 847 01:10:29,755 --> 01:10:32,075 Even more at the age of 40, right? 848 01:10:32,235 --> 01:10:34,395 He said he feared for his life. 849 01:10:34,635 --> 01:10:38,555 ''I need to see you, we have to talk.'' 850 01:10:38,675 --> 01:10:41,275 Then I never saw him again. 851 01:10:42,115 --> 01:10:45,795 Doctor Grinberg began leaving clues like saying: 852 01:10:45,875 --> 01:10:48,875 ''Look for me because I'm going to disappear.'' 853 01:11:12,835 --> 01:11:14,995 She goes out with Jacobo, 854 01:11:15,235 --> 01:11:17,555 she has an affair with Jacobo, 855 01:11:17,955 --> 01:11:20,075 she gets married to Jacobo 856 01:11:20,275 --> 01:11:22,155 and disappears with Jacobo. 857 01:11:23,355 --> 01:11:24,995 It must be linked, 858 01:11:25,115 --> 01:11:29,155 either she was controlled or groomed as a child. 859 01:11:29,635 --> 01:11:31,595 Why doesn't she come forward? 860 01:11:31,915 --> 01:11:33,995 But instead she runs. 861 01:11:34,195 --> 01:11:35,195 Why? 862 01:11:35,835 --> 01:11:39,355 Teresa turned out not to be who she claimed to be. 863 01:11:39,875 --> 01:11:42,875 Her story didn't match the truth. 864 01:11:42,995 --> 01:11:45,715 There was something strange about this. 865 01:11:47,195 --> 01:11:51,075 She had a degree that wasn't hers. 866 01:11:51,435 --> 01:11:54,755 It appears that it's not even her real name. 867 01:11:59,755 --> 01:12:03,275 In 1982, she totally disappeared from 868 01:12:03,435 --> 01:12:04,795 Mexico City. 869 01:12:05,355 --> 01:12:08,595 She had a half sister in Los Angeles. There she 870 01:12:09,315 --> 01:12:12,915 enrolled at JFK University, paid the fees, but 871 01:12:13,075 --> 01:12:14,635 didn't attend classes. 872 01:12:14,795 --> 01:12:19,635 She returned to Mexico with a degree from that university. 873 01:12:19,915 --> 01:12:22,155 That's what I find curious. 874 01:12:23,795 --> 01:12:28,475 They met at a conference, began a relationship, and 875 01:12:28,635 --> 01:12:29,875 suddenly got married. 876 01:12:30,395 --> 01:12:31,955 In a blink they got married. 877 01:12:33,515 --> 01:12:35,515 No invitation, no announcement, 878 01:12:35,635 --> 01:12:37,035 they married in a village. 879 01:12:39,075 --> 01:12:42,795 Imagine you have someone who knows about things 880 01:12:42,995 --> 01:12:46,755 that interest you, like mental intercommunication, 881 01:12:46,875 --> 01:12:49,555 or via satellite. Well, I want it. 882 01:12:49,995 --> 01:12:51,955 How? At any price. 883 01:12:52,475 --> 01:12:55,355 So, I send someone to control you and 884 01:12:55,515 --> 01:12:58,755 make you weak. Then I come in strong and 885 01:12:59,315 --> 01:13:01,075 accomplish my objective. 886 01:13:32,475 --> 01:13:34,275 We are all interrelated, 887 01:13:34,475 --> 01:13:39,715 we know of the inclusive interaction in cerebral activity between 888 01:13:39,835 --> 01:13:41,075 one person and another. 889 01:13:42,075 --> 01:13:46,435 Your cerebral activity interacts with mine, and mine with yours. 890 01:13:46,595 --> 01:13:49,475 Many of our thoughts aren't even our own, 891 01:13:50,035 --> 01:13:55,155 and come from a collective instead, because there is that constant 892 01:13:55,355 --> 01:13:58,715 connection of brains because they are interacting. 893 01:13:58,835 --> 01:14:03,275 A detective visited me and asked all kinds of questions 894 01:14:03,435 --> 01:14:06,195 and among others, he asked 895 01:14:06,395 --> 01:14:11,675 if any of his discoveries could have a military application. 896 01:14:12,075 --> 01:14:15,595 Well, at that time, with the advances he was making, 897 01:14:15,755 --> 01:14:18,475 there would have been speculation. 898 01:14:18,675 --> 01:14:19,955 Not to be ruled out. 899 01:14:20,075 --> 01:14:25,635 If you can prove the scientific basis or the first steps of telepathy, 900 01:14:25,755 --> 01:14:28,595 any government would want it. 901 01:14:41,195 --> 01:14:44,955 People believe a conspiracy that he 902 01:14:45,075 --> 01:14:48,595 was kidnapped by US agents to work on 903 01:14:48,715 --> 01:14:50,355 a secret project. 904 01:14:50,675 --> 01:14:55,155 I think this is totally unfeasible because for a start, 905 01:14:55,355 --> 01:14:58,635 because... I insist that his investigations 906 01:14:58,755 --> 01:15:01,155 weren't recognised internationally. 907 01:15:02,395 --> 01:15:03,835 At least not back then. 908 01:15:19,995 --> 01:15:23,435 The US Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA, 909 01:15:23,555 --> 01:15:27,355 released 930,000 classified documents from 910 01:15:27,475 --> 01:15:31,995 between the 40s and the 90s. That's 12 million pages 911 01:15:32,075 --> 01:15:33,675 on UFOs, for example. 912 01:15:33,795 --> 01:15:37,155 Also several psychic experiments on human telepathy, 913 01:15:37,275 --> 01:15:40,915 and mind control for prisoner interrogations. 914 01:15:41,155 --> 01:15:43,875 It's all on the internet now, and free 915 01:15:43,955 --> 01:15:47,235 so journalists and historians can read them. 916 01:16:13,395 --> 01:16:16,435 The CIA declassified documents 917 01:16:16,555 --> 01:16:21,115 show knowledge of Dr. Grinberg. He must have worked with them. 918 01:16:29,115 --> 01:16:33,635 Imagine how revealing it is to talk about what the CIA is doing 919 01:16:33,795 --> 01:16:37,475 to control human minds, extrasensory perception 920 01:16:37,635 --> 01:16:39,395 and psychokinesis. 921 01:16:39,795 --> 01:16:43,155 That is what Dr. Grinberg was working on. 922 01:16:44,155 --> 01:16:48,035 This is gold. Transferred potential is gold. 923 01:16:48,275 --> 01:16:49,555 Whoever discovers it, 924 01:16:49,635 --> 01:16:52,555 develops it and fully exploits it, 925 01:16:52,675 --> 01:16:55,395 has in their hands an object of investigation. 926 01:16:55,635 --> 01:16:58,315 A very valuable investigation. 927 01:16:59,075 --> 01:17:00,555 The truth is he is in Boulder. 928 01:17:02,675 --> 01:17:07,595 This was where we felt the investigation was let down. 929 01:17:10,435 --> 01:17:11,995 It skewed. 930 01:17:12,195 --> 01:17:15,795 When Padilla said: ''There's a lead in Boulder. 931 01:17:15,955 --> 01:17:19,035 We have to go to Boulder.'' That costs money right? 932 01:17:20,235 --> 01:17:22,475 The Grinberg family turned on me. 933 01:17:22,595 --> 01:17:24,195 ''Why do you believe him?'' 934 01:17:24,435 --> 01:17:28,315 Even the doubts, he was me giving leads. 935 01:17:28,435 --> 01:17:31,195 - Clear evidence. - Clear and precise, 936 01:17:31,315 --> 01:17:32,315 not lies. 937 01:17:32,675 --> 01:17:37,155 It was when Boulder was brought up that things ended. 938 01:17:37,875 --> 01:17:42,475 Then after that, there was a series of manipulations, 939 01:17:42,635 --> 01:17:47,155 the police took me off the case, 940 01:17:47,275 --> 01:17:51,515 another Chief Superintendent went to Boulder and refuted all 941 01:17:51,675 --> 01:17:55,795 I had done. I downloaded photos of the landing strip 942 01:17:55,915 --> 01:17:58,515 and the Chief Superintendent said: 943 01:17:58,675 --> 01:18:01,395 ''You're crazy, there's nothing except 944 01:18:01,555 --> 01:18:05,075 a residential area with a golf club. No airport.'' 945 01:18:06,715 --> 01:18:09,795 There were other pressures from the president. 946 01:18:09,955 --> 01:18:14,035 President Zedillo requested information from me. 947 01:18:15,555 --> 01:18:18,235 I was forced to hand it over 948 01:18:18,475 --> 01:18:22,395 because the Attorney General accused me of car theft. 949 01:18:23,715 --> 01:18:25,555 Car theft... 950 01:18:25,675 --> 01:18:27,115 the least likely. 951 01:18:27,995 --> 01:18:30,555 Why me? Why discredit me? 952 01:18:30,675 --> 01:18:35,475 ''You're crazy Chief Superintendent! There's nothing in Boulder, look.'' 953 01:18:39,675 --> 01:18:44,075 Now that was unusual! This was a special case for me. 954 01:18:44,195 --> 01:18:47,395 Why is it causing so much controversy? 955 01:18:47,515 --> 01:18:52,075 Some years ago, I contacted a Chief of Police 956 01:18:52,195 --> 01:18:56,075 whose name escapes me, and I took him all Jacobo's files. 957 01:18:56,195 --> 01:19:00,515 I told him: ''Please, let's revive this and go through it again.'' 958 01:19:00,675 --> 01:19:02,155 And... 959 01:19:03,315 --> 01:19:06,595 three days later all the files were lost. 960 01:19:07,635 --> 01:19:10,235 - The Chief of Police... - Lost how? 961 01:19:10,355 --> 01:19:13,155 He lost the file, I couldn't get it back. 962 01:19:15,435 --> 01:19:19,875 It's part of the Grinberg case and something I'll never forget. 963 01:19:19,995 --> 01:19:21,235 Really... 964 01:19:21,835 --> 01:19:23,835 I'll be wondering forever 965 01:19:24,995 --> 01:19:26,995 and when I go to heaven, 966 01:19:27,115 --> 01:19:30,635 the first question I'm going to ask will be: ''Okay. 967 01:19:30,795 --> 01:19:33,275 I want to see the video.'' 968 01:19:34,075 --> 01:19:36,315 The last six months 969 01:19:36,435 --> 01:19:39,035 of the last days of. 970 01:19:39,475 --> 01:19:43,475 Dr. Grinberg and his wife. 971 01:19:45,995 --> 01:19:48,315 That's how the Grinberg case went. 972 01:19:48,475 --> 01:19:49,994 A big deal to begin with, 973 01:19:49,995 --> 01:19:53,475 investigations into what happened, and what comes of it? Nothing. 974 01:19:53,595 --> 01:19:57,595 A kidnapping? Left for the US? Cover it up, it's over... 975 01:19:57,715 --> 01:19:59,875 Where is the Grinberg case now? 976 01:20:28,075 --> 01:20:32,915 Professionally I have solved every case that was assigned to me, 977 01:20:34,475 --> 01:20:36,435 and when we were close 978 01:20:37,675 --> 01:20:40,355 to knowing the location of Dr. Grinberg 979 01:20:41,035 --> 01:20:45,475 then all support was cut from local institutions, 980 01:20:45,955 --> 01:20:47,634 from the Grinberg family, 981 01:20:47,635 --> 01:20:49,795 and the case was discontinued. 982 01:20:50,715 --> 01:20:54,435 This is on the CIA website, they have a programme called. 983 01:20:54,555 --> 01:20:55,555 ''Stargate''. 984 01:20:57,155 --> 01:21:02,195 It's a classified article by Grinberg in the CIA archives. 985 01:21:02,395 --> 01:21:05,755 It makes you ask: ''Why does the CIA want this?'' 986 01:21:09,755 --> 01:21:14,675 Well, it was one of the things that. 987 01:21:14,795 --> 01:21:16,795 Padilla said, wasn't it? 988 01:21:22,595 --> 01:21:27,675 It scares me to think that what we heard about 989 01:21:27,795 --> 01:21:29,795 Boulder could have been true. 990 01:21:29,915 --> 01:21:33,875 I don't think Jacobo could have left his daughter... 991 01:21:34,515 --> 01:21:35,755 in any way. 992 01:21:35,955 --> 01:21:38,275 His love for his daughter could have been 993 01:21:38,395 --> 01:21:39,795 the perfect blackmail. 994 01:21:39,915 --> 01:21:44,955 ''We have you here, investigating here, and we guarantee that nothing 995 01:21:45,075 --> 01:21:46,155 happens to her.'' 996 01:21:48,995 --> 01:21:51,995 It's totally strange 997 01:21:52,995 --> 01:21:55,434 that the president of the republic, 998 01:21:55,435 --> 01:21:57,475 Ernesto Zedillo, 999 01:21:57,635 --> 01:22:02,314 instead of using people in the Ministry of Internal Affairs 1000 01:22:02,315 --> 01:22:04,514 or his private secretary, 1001 01:22:04,515 --> 01:22:07,075 skips these channels 1002 01:22:07,195 --> 01:22:09,474 and sends two people 1003 01:22:09,475 --> 01:22:12,634 employed by the presidency of the republic 1004 01:22:12,635 --> 01:22:14,874 to directly request 1005 01:22:14,875 --> 01:22:18,955 how the Jacobo Grinberg case was progressing. 1006 01:22:20,315 --> 01:22:23,314 It was odd the president took the trouble 1007 01:22:23,315 --> 01:22:26,714 to ask how the case was going. 1008 01:22:26,715 --> 01:22:30,754 It means that someone above his command 1009 01:22:30,755 --> 01:22:34,594 or political level asked him for the information. 1010 01:22:34,595 --> 01:22:37,194 That's what I believe. 1011 01:22:37,195 --> 01:22:39,994 So, you start to suspect 1012 01:22:39,995 --> 01:22:42,635 things that put you in danger, 1013 01:22:47,195 --> 01:22:49,314 increase risk to your reputation 1014 01:22:49,315 --> 01:22:51,995 and everything important to you. 1015 01:22:53,115 --> 01:22:57,154 What are we going to face after opening this can of worms? 1016 01:22:57,155 --> 01:22:59,794 Do you think there is still danger? 1017 01:22:59,795 --> 01:23:03,794 Sure, you're still leaving me open to danger. 1018 01:23:03,795 --> 01:23:06,434 It's me who's talking, and proving. 1019 01:23:06,435 --> 01:23:08,195 Showing documents. 1020 01:23:08,595 --> 01:23:11,074 It makes me the target. 1021 01:23:11,075 --> 01:23:16,635 Whoever invited Jacobo to work or cooperate is not interested 1022 01:23:17,875 --> 01:23:21,954 in reopening a scandal. 1023 01:23:21,955 --> 01:23:25,154 In keeping him from being found 1024 01:23:25,155 --> 01:23:31,714 there's a continual threat if you go around sniffing. 1025 01:23:31,715 --> 01:23:34,674 They cut the root, go for the kill! 1026 01:23:34,675 --> 01:23:37,075 Hey, 20 years have gone by. 1027 01:23:38,155 --> 01:23:43,995 Come on! Can there be more scandal now than before? 1028 01:23:44,915 --> 01:23:47,194 What's your plan now? 1029 01:23:47,195 --> 01:23:49,034 I don't have one. 1030 01:23:49,035 --> 01:23:52,194 Everyone must be alert. 1031 01:23:52,195 --> 01:23:54,274 Everyone carries firearms here. 1032 01:23:54,275 --> 01:23:59,435 The whole family is protected. The whole family is alert. 1033 01:24:00,315 --> 01:24:02,275 Nothing else can be done. 1034 01:24:30,195 --> 01:24:34,115 I'm writing in exile, from a dark and distant planet 1035 01:24:34,235 --> 01:24:36,235 called Earth. 1036 01:24:36,315 --> 01:24:38,755 My story begins in Andromeda, 1037 01:24:38,955 --> 01:24:41,955 a galaxy where we practiced meditation, 1038 01:24:42,115 --> 01:24:45,835 telepathic communication and the knowledge and 1039 01:24:45,955 --> 01:24:47,835 management of energy. 1040 01:24:51,355 --> 01:24:54,474 Andromeda was part of the universe hierarchy, 1041 01:24:54,475 --> 01:24:57,675 a group of developed civilisations 1042 01:24:58,475 --> 01:25:02,314 made up of an infinity of galaxies, whose purpose 1043 01:25:02,315 --> 01:25:04,555 was the evolution of the spirit. 1044 01:25:05,355 --> 01:25:08,835 Travelling to anywhere in the hierarchy was allowed, 1045 01:25:09,155 --> 01:25:11,795 but there was a prohibited area 1046 01:25:12,155 --> 01:25:15,675 made up of young and unstable planets. 1047 01:25:16,355 --> 01:25:20,755 My companion and I set off to discover other places 1048 01:25:21,115 --> 01:25:23,595 and develop our knowledge this way. 1049 01:25:24,675 --> 01:25:27,235 We were overcome with a supernatural love 1050 01:25:27,595 --> 01:25:31,475 and decided that we had become gods. 1051 01:25:35,035 --> 01:25:39,115 We crossed the border of the prohibited area of the universe 1052 01:25:39,235 --> 01:25:42,875 to help the young planets with our presence. 1053 01:25:43,955 --> 01:25:47,395 The atmosphere was frightening. 1054 01:25:48,275 --> 01:25:53,315 Suddenly, the spaceship lost stability and we knew the end had come. 1055 01:25:54,915 --> 01:25:59,915 We were moved to the inside of a dome and they separated us there. 1056 01:26:01,435 --> 01:26:05,434 The hierarchy chose planet Earth for my exile, 1057 01:26:05,435 --> 01:26:08,914 and the board considered that 11 reincarnations 1058 01:26:08,915 --> 01:26:11,915 would be enough to learn. 1059 01:26:12,995 --> 01:26:17,115 My father accompanied me while they made the preparations 1060 01:26:17,155 --> 01:26:19,115 for my departure. 1061 01:26:19,475 --> 01:26:23,475 Before connecting me to the dematerialisation mechanism, 1062 01:26:23,875 --> 01:26:26,635 he promised me that he would help. 1063 01:26:27,155 --> 01:26:30,515 His last words were: ''I love you. 1064 01:26:31,275 --> 01:26:35,594 And I'll be there for you when you're ready to return 1065 01:26:35,595 --> 01:26:39,115 at the end of your eleventh life.'' 1066 01:26:58,755 --> 01:27:03,194 In 2016, money was withdrawn from a bank account in Jacobo Grinberg's name. 1067 01:27:03,195 --> 01:27:07,995 His daughter Estusha hasn't been able to uncover this person's identity. 1068 01:27:10,555 --> 01:27:13,755 Carlos Castaneda died in 1998, four years after Grinberg disappeared. 1069 01:27:13,915 --> 01:27:17,115 His intimate group of women mysteriously disappeared with him. 1070 01:27:19,675 --> 01:27:22,435 Teresa Mendoza was last seen in May, 1995. 1071 01:27:22,675 --> 01:27:26,234 Since then, nobody has seen her, or has been willing to admit so. 1072 01:27:26,235 --> 01:27:29,755 Her relatives and friends refused to appear in the film. 1073 01:27:32,475 --> 01:27:37,635 Since being taken off the case, Superintendent Padilla has not been able to carry out police work. 1074 01:27:40,915 --> 01:27:47,315 After 25 years, Doctor Grinberg's disappearance still remains a mystery 80007

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