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Duran Duran is a pop group for young
people with a lot of energy.
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Her name is Rio
she don't need to understand
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And I might find her
if I'm looking like I can.
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We were in a period of time
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where everything we touched
seemed to be turning to gold.
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It's a bright, colourful outburst.
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Because I've got my own way
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I can find my own way.
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We all knew there was something
special happening.
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It is pure, pure fantastic pop.
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It's just a record that has legs
and lasting value
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and it captures a moment in time.
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I can't stop myself
It's a new religion
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I've something to see.
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Rio's a good record.
It's a really good record.
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A BLEEP killer second album.
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In touch with the ground
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I'm on the hunt, I'm after you.
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The roadside is littered with
careers of one-hit wonder artists
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that could never follow up
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and didn't really understand
how to write hit songs.
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And Duran Duran did.
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Don't say a prayer for me now
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Save it till the morning after
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No, don't say a prayer for me now
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Save it till the morning after.
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Every home should have one.
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See, this sound at the beginning...
Was complete experimentation.
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And I'd been fiddling around with
the grand piano at AIR Studios
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and I actually opened up
the top of it
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and I was fiddling with the strings.
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What I actually did was that
I got some metal rods
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and I threw them
onto the strings of the piano
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and they bounced around
and made this strange noise.
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And it wasn't quite
what I was looking for,
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but there was something
interesting about it
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and I said to Colin Thurston,
"Can we reverse that tape?"
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Because at that time, we were just
discovering things like tape loops
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and reversing and slowing
things down and speeding things up.
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And, er, he said,
"Sure." And we reversed the sound
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and what we got was
the very intro of Rio.
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That was really the beginning
of the song, that groove.
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Roger started playing
a groove with that.
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And we sort of built
the song around that line,
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so we started to think
in terms of chords.
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Moving on the floor now, babe
you're a bird of paradise
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Cherry ice cream smile
I suppose it's very nice
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With a step to your left
and a flick to the right
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You catch that mirror
way out west...
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The inspiration for me as a bass
player
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was Bernard Edwards,
the player with Chic.
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And a lot of his lines
really caught my ear.
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And that was what made me
want to play bass.
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It was a very syncopated style,
which was something new to me,
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especially as I'd sort of being
playing in punk rock bands,
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So Rio was like, er...just all
of those ideas
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that I had about syncopation.
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And then when we get to the chorus,
it's still like a...
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Oh, Rio, Rio dance
across the Rio Grande.
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Andy's guitars.
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It's a hell of a guitar sound,
actually.
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Andy always used to use Marshalls.
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But he was quite experimental
with his pedals at that time, too,
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so I'm sure it was chorused
and flanged and delayed a little.
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But then I'm sure that you know
it's just for you
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One, two, three, four!
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Her name is Rio
and she dances on the sand.
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Yeah. Simon's voice,
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when he harmonises with himself,
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becomes so thick and lush.
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I mean, I've rarely heard
other people's voices blend
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so well with themselves.
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And, er...he's got a very unusual
sense of harmony.
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That's one of the things I brought
to Duran Duran. I brought harmonies
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from my choirboy training.
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I was able to identify notes
that would...
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You know, I always felt
that music's like...
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Sometimes the music or the melody,
the main melody's like a pole.
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And you can take a run at it at speed
and grab onto it
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and you can swing around it.
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And you can fly off in
a different direction.
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And that's how I think
about harmonies.
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Did she nearly run you down
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At the end of the drive
the lawmen arrive
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You make me feel alive
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Alive, alive
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I'll take my chance because luck
is on my side or something
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I know what you're thinking
I'll tell you something
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I know what you're thinking.
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When we were done touring, um...
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the Rio album,
we all took a vacation together.
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And it was kind of one of those...
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It was like a scene from Help!
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You know, where the Beatles
all get out of the car
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and they all go into four
separate doors,
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but actually, it's all one house
that they're living in.
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And we all took a vacation together.
We went to Antigua. Four of us.
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Andy didn't come.
We all went, we took our girlfriends
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and we all took beach houses
together.
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So every morning, we'd come out
with our towels, "Morning!"
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"Morning!" Very Monty Python.
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And, um...and then we got a phone
call, "Guys, don't leave.
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"We're coming out with Russell
and a crew
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"and we're going to make a video.
Andy's coming."
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Her name is Rio
she don't need to understand.
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It's a very iconic image,
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that we're wearing these
Antony Price suits on a yacht.
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It's like,
what a great juxtaposition of style!
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But we thought we were actually
filming in London
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and Antony fitted us
up with all these suits.
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Last minute,
it got changed to Antigua,
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so the outfits turn up,
that's the only clothes we have.
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Nick loved all the pale colours
because he wore light make-up
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and had very light hair,
he could get away with all these
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sort of pale, sugared-almond colours
and silk suits and things.
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And obviously, it all worked with
the Caribbean thing of the video.
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It was quite tropical looking in a
way and I was always a bit tropical.
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Suddenly, it was bang,
straight in there, style, fashion,
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statement, articulated.
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Do-do-do-do-do-do.
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Nobody used to go on exotic holidays
and go on yachts in 1982.
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It wasn't achievable.
It wasn't possible.
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So it was real vision of the future.
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And really anticipated, I think,
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what was to come, the kind of whole
celebrity culture really.
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I've seen you on the beach
and I've seen you on TV.
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What they were showing to Britain
was, you know, this newer world.
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Very cleverly, in my view,
showing it.
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Punk was fantastic to photograph
because it was very graphic
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and black and white, really, for me.
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I mean, virtually all my punk
pictures are black and white film.
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And with Duran Duran, it's going
from black and white to colour.
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And the country and the population
was going from black and white.
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The black and white
of the recession, the unemployment
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and then the Falklands war
and they were preparing to bring
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the colour back into everything.
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And I think that was the contrast.
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In as much as the Sex Pistols
drag you back to a sense
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and a moment in time,
Duran Duran do, too.
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Our instinct as teenagers
that wanted it to be great,
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wanted our life to be good,
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and also wanted to put some
brightness into
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other people's lives, was to try
and make something between us
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that really excited us,
that made us happy.
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Simon's looks were very poetic and
very beautiful and very optimistic.
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And that's one of the things,
I think, that changed in the '80s.
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It suddenly became very
optimistic.
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Save a prayer
till the morning after
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Save a prayer
till the morning after
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Save a prayer
till the morning after
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Save a prayer
till the morning after.
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I met John when I was 10 years old.
He was 12.
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He literally
lived around the corner from me.
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And so we used to hang out
all the time.
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We were both single kids,
no brothers or sisters.
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So we really became like brothers.
And went everywhere together.
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We were friends for a few years
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before the idea of actually
making music together came to us.
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He went to art college and I was
just finishing up at high school.
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And he was already in a band.
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So I was actually a little jealous
of this.
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And the band were quite interesting.
They were called Dada.
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And as soon as that fell apart,
we got together and I said,
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"OK, I can leave school, let's do
this properly. Let's form a band."
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By this point,
we'd got the bit between our teeth
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and Roger was the next guy we met.
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I walked in and, er...John
just kind of picked up the bass
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and we just started
kind of jamming along.
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And immediately gelled.
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John and Nick appeared
with a little cassette
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and we put it on the big
sound system.
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Ah, the Berrows! We first met them
when we went to the Rum Runner.
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John and I had isolated it
as the coolest place in town
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and so we wanted to play
a show there.
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And they got involved
in the management side.
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And Paul was really
the creative side,
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Michael more on the business side.
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It was time to obviously develop
and mature the band
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and they needed help to do that.
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There were only three of them really
who were committed at the time.
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It took us about six months.
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Lots of auditioning,
some false starts.
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And then finally,
Simon came bouncing in one day.
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So I started singing this melody
and they were very excited by it.
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And we realised right then and there
that we had something,
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we had a good combination musically,
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that we could do something
good together.
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And he opened up this book of lyrics
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and it already had The Chauffeur
in there
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and a song called Sound of Thunder.
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I think Planet Earth
was probably in there.
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Andy came down from Newcastle,
Whitley Bay.
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He had a lot of knowledge
of the fretboard.
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He could play a lot of chords,
which Nick or I couldn't play.
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So he brought a lot of expertise.
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It was a bit like an explosion
when the five of us came together.
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We were all very serious, we were
all looking for something new
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and we all knew this was exactly
what we wanted to do.
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Only came outside to watch
the night fall with the rain
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I heard you
making patterns rhyme.
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I just got the call, he said,
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"I'm the manager of this band called
Duran Duran
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"and they're causing
a bit of a stir in Birmingham
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"and I really think you should come
and see them."
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And first of all, I was a bit
dubious because I thought,
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"Can't be anything going on
in Birmingham.
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"It's all happening in London."
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So Betty came up
and it was like a state visit.
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Because Birmingham didn't have...
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It wasn't very well represented
in the national music media.
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I was just blown away by their
self-confidence and enthusiasm
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and just their complete assurance
of what they were doing.
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They were just so confident about
who they were, what they wanted,
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where they wanted to go
with the whole Duran Duran project.
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When we started out,
we had a master plan
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and we thought it was going to
work. All of them were just so...
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Roger was always a little bit
quieter than the others,
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but the others, they were all
trying to get a word in.
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Andy, John, Simon, Nick, Roger,
when did you learn an instrument?
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I learnt to use my instrument...
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..when I was five, actually.
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But it was plastic at the time.
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LAUGHTER
But I got a real one when I was 11.
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I was what you'd call a late
developer.
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I didn't pick up mine
until I was about 16.
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I was born with my instrument
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and it just got used again and again
and again.
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I started playing with mine
when I was, um...17.
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Um... Roger's still a virgin.
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Roger needs two hands for his!
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You think, "OK, this is what
we're going to do."
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You put the blinkers on and you go.
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There's no sign of life
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Voices, another sound.
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I think it was about 18-20 months
they were around rehearsing.
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We knew when we got together
in the room
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and started writing songs together
that we had something special.
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There's something in the chemistry
of us
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that was able to come up with more
and more and more music.
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See them walking hand in hand
across the bridge at midnight
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Heads turning as the lights
flashing out it's so bright
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Then walk right
out to the four line track
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There's a camera rolling
on her back
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On her back.
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Girls On Film did really well.
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I think that got us to number five
or something.
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It did even better than
Planet Earth.
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When we went in to do
the first album,
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not only did that album go
relatively smoothly,
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but it also allowed them
to draw upon some of that work
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for the second album, which enabled
Rio to go relatively smoothly.
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We had a lot of material
that we hadn't recorded.
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An awful lot of material.
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The first album, Duran Duran,
had two hits on it.
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We had three singles released.
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We were signed by a record company.
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We'd been on tour with Hazel O'Connor
and we'd gone to America
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and we were causing a big stir, so we
knew something was really brewing.
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It was bubbling up.
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It was really the most exciting
thing that ever happened to us.
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And so the energy that's in the Rio
album very much came from that
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first trip to America.
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That's the great thing
about listening to this,
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you can hear all the different
influences there and ideas
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and somehow, it all comes together
and sounds like a whole.
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Because you've got the very funky
bass and drums, very dark guitars,
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quite dark keyboards, optimistic
vocals, but it all kind of works.
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It all just kind of gels
and hangs together somehow.
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Duran was really a rock band
with synths.
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It wasn't a synth band
with a couple of musicians,
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it was a real rock band.
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We were a product of our times.
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Synthesizers were becoming more
important to popular music,
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but there was, as yet,
very few records
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that were entirely
synthesizer-based.
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There was Kraftwerk, you know.
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Depeche Mode were just
about to come along.
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So there were going to be...
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Synth pop was about to happen.
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Techno was about to happen.
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But we were coming out of punk,
we were coming out of a tradition
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that was all about guitars
and drums.
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I think the rhythm on this
was influenced by, um...
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a song called Stay, David Bowie.
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I think it was on Station to Station
and it was all that kind of...
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Very syncopated bass playing.
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That runs all the way through,
this guitar.
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Kind of Dave Gilmour, I think.
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Quite Floyd-ish.
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It's a very unusual track.
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It's got this kind of pumping,
funky rhythm section.
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And that's a classic Nick Rhodes
sound right there, that...
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kind of phased strings.
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You can take him if you're fast
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Didn't I say...?
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There's so many vocals going on.
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I get along fine with them
friends of mine...
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Those two voices in New Religion,
you've got the kind of rhythmic...
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Got to take the pay from the saints
and sinners in the regulation hats
and scarves and things
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Walking in formation down the lane
they carry their...
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And then you've got the...
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Don't know why this evil
bothers me...
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And it's singing about...
"Don't know why this evil,"
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is singing about this other voice.
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It's like, why have I got this
in my head?
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Why is this stuff going on?
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Army majors pull a mean cool truth,
they're lying in a swimming pool
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Searching for the undeniable truth
that a man is just a fool
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Don't know why this evil bothers
me Take another chance boy,
carry the fight,
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You can take him if you're fast
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So why is he trying to follow me?
Didn't I say if you're holding on
You'd be laughing at the last
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How many reasons do they need?
I get along fine with them
friends of mine
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But you have to make a choice
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I might just believe this time
You're singing out of tune
but the beat's in time
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And it's us
who makes the noise...
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They're not obvious pop songs
but I think it's probably that,
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you know, because they always had
that kind of dance,
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slightly funky element
to their sound.
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They managed to marry all these
different elements which,
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you know, was quite an achievement
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because most bands wouldn't
really attempt that now.
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It's a very unusual sound, Duran,
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because if you put it on paper,
it shouldn't really work.
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John's a great bass groove player,
you know,
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he really is
and the textures Nick added,
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the guitar-playing was rock'n'roll,
the drumming's, you know,
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a really good drummer,
solid, solid, so in that,
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you've got all this...
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desire...
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to be funky,
to take it off left-field.
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Hold Back The Rain.
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SONG: Hold Back The Rain
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Andy's guitar. It's almost like a...
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It's got a slap on it like...
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It reminds me of She Was Hot,
that Rolling Stones song.
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It's these little bass pops in there
that are actually overdubbed.
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Then I had to learn
how to play it live.
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There's actually two tracks of bass,
Hold Back The Rain, the basic...
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That's the straightforward and...
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I would overdub
that on a separate track.
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The other thing about
Hold Back The Rain that is somewhat
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problematic is the chorus is
one of these...
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That's played with a pick.
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I just couldn't do it
with my fingers so, again,
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it's fine in the studio
where you can, "OK, stop,
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"let's get the chorus"
and then we go back to...
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And we can go back to that
but like live, it's a bitch.
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And if the stars burn out
there's only fire to blame
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Hold back the rain
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No time for worry
cos we're on the roam again
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Hold back the rain
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The clouds all scatter
and we ride the outside lane
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Hold back the rain
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Not on your own
so help me, please
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Hold back the rain...
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The teenage thing, none of us
foresaw the teenage thing.
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Get back!
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We just thought
we were going to be an album band
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and we're going to have quite
a serious audience
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but obviously the music
we were making was actually
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transcending that and it was
reaching a far wider audience.
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Oh, my God! Oh, my God!
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Oh, my God!
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The first Smash Hits
cover that we had was Roger
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and Nick, which was really bizarre
if you think about it.
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And that immediately gives you
a sense of...the appeal of the band.
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The fact that this all-out pop
magazine would take the drummer
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and the keyboard player
and put them on the front
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and I think that was significant
because that let everybody
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know this is a band
of interesting individuals.
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When we first went to Australia
was when we really noticed it
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in a big way because actually Planet
Earth had become a number one single
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there and we went there
and they were just crazy
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and we had to get security
and we were locked in hotels
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and I mean it was
sort of funny at the time.
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None of us had really had time
to grow up into rounded adults.
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We were still living at home
so it was a very steep climb.
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I was in a car with Roger
leaving a show one day
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and the car was rocked by fans,
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they were crawling all over it
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and I could see that he absolutely
hated it, was quite put off by it.
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I think too many of those incidents
was too much for him in a way.
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Whereas John and Nick
sort of lived for all that.
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I didn't think the lights were
particularly good.
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I remember getting
back from our first American tour
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and my father still wouldn't let me
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watch what I wanted to
watch on the television, you know.
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Oh, God.
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00:24:55,865 --> 00:24:57,585
I think with the Rio album,
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we had definitely learned some good
lessons from the first album.
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We were lucky enough to have worked
with Colin Thurston,
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who was our choice as a producer.
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00:25:08,545 --> 00:25:13,345
He'd worked with David Bowie
and Iggy Pop so for us,
this was incredible to
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be in the studio with someone who'd
made some of our favourite records.
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OK, Roger, it's going to be a take.
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Well, Colin was a very,
very calm hand at the wheel
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and you never...
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I don't think at any point
when I was working with Colin did
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I question any of the sounds that he
was generating.
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I mean he knew exactly
how our band needed to sound.
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He heard the talent that
was in the band, he heard the raw
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songwriting, performing talent
and he made it modern.
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The great thing about Colin was
that he really knew how to
nurture people.
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You get great producers that are,
you know,
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amazing with the desk and great with
the soundscapes but they're
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not great with people but Colin was
amazing with people and...
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I miss him, I really miss him.
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He died recently
and it was a very sad day for me
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because somebody went out of my life
that was a very big influence on me.
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SONG: "The Chauffeur"
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It was actually the last
track that we started
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recording on the Rio album.
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We were running so late that we
decided to take on an extra room.
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We started work in this other
room just to try
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and speed things up a little
and I said to Simon, "Look, I've
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"got an idea, I'd like to make it
a little more electronic." Yeah.
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Because originally, it had been done
with an acoustic guitar.
That's right.
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And so I started building the track
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and the first thing I started with
the rhythm box and the sequencer...
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OK, that's part of the rhythm box,
there should be a bit that says,
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"Clap." There you go. Clap.
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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So that was the beginning of it
and then the sequencer...
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And the sequencer is very similar to
the original guitar part, isn't it?
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Yeah, very much so, and then
Simon would come back in back
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and forth and I'd go in and fix
some things up on another track
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whilst we were in-between.
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I was amazed by what you came up
with, actually.
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It was nothing like I'd ever imagined
the song would ever sound like.
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Way down the lane away,
living for another day
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The aphids climb up
in the drifting haze
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Swim seagull in the sky
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Towards that hollow western isle
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My envied lady holds you
fast in her gaze...
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That's the piano and the bass sync.
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That's the piano on its own.
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Out on the tar plains
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The glides are moving
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All looking for a
new place to drive...
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Well, it only really works with
the bass, doesn't it? Those notes.
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Isn't that amazing how...?
Works for me. Yeah.
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Sing Blue Silver...
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I wonder, can we the glass breaking?
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Would that be on "Noise" as well,
do you think? I think so.
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Yeah, let's solo it.
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Here we go. Ready?
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Yeah. Now.
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There it is!
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It wasn't really glass at all,
I shouldn't spoil what it is! No!
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It was actually ice being
dropped into water that just made
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that sound that sounded like glass
but, yeah, there you go.
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What glass splinters
lie so deep in your mind
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To tear out from your eyes with a
word to stiffen brooding lies...
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Finishing Rio...
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It marked the end of
Duran Duran's innocence.
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Because, actually,
we came away from that
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00:29:49,625 --> 00:29:53,345
and Nick will tell you all about what
it was like to go down to Sri Lanka
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straight out of the mixing studios,
he mixed that record with Colin.
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At the end of the album,
we had a very tight deadline.
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We actually had to be on tour
in Australia by a certain date
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and before then,
we had to make some videos.
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We were all very
interested in video at that point.
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It wasn't something that we backed
away from cos the band was
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always about aesthetics
and, you know,
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the image of the band
was very important.
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But the album wasn't quite finished,
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00:30:21,385 --> 00:30:24,505
there was three or four mixes left
to do and some editing so I said,
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"Listen, I'm not going anywhere
until the album's done,
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"you'll have to start doing the
video without me and I'll catch up."
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Their management in the
Barrows, Paul and Mike Barrow,
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were very, very ahead of their time
in the awareness factor about this.
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Paul had had this idea
to go onto location.
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00:30:43,265 --> 00:30:46,825
I think he'd obviously recently seen
Raiders Of The Lost Ark
494
00:30:46,985 --> 00:30:50,625
and there was a bit
of Apocalypse Now in there as well.
495
00:30:50,785 --> 00:30:55,385
It was such a simple idea but nobody
had even thought of that - just
496
00:30:55,545 --> 00:30:58,985
taking your camera out of the room
to this amazing country with
497
00:30:59,145 --> 00:31:01,945
all this amazing scenery
and shooting a video.
498
00:31:02,105 --> 00:31:06,585
I was a frustrated filmmaker,
frustrated feature filmmaker,
499
00:31:06,705 --> 00:31:10,025
I wanted to make movies.
500
00:31:11,305 --> 00:31:14,585
So, no-one would give me
money to make anything longer than
501
00:31:14,745 --> 00:31:19,025
four minutes so I went, "OK, I'll
make a four-minute-long movie."
502
00:31:19,145 --> 00:31:22,745
Woman, you want me, give me a sign
503
00:31:22,905 --> 00:31:25,465
And catch my breathing
even closer behind
504
00:31:25,585 --> 00:31:27,745
Do do do do do do do
505
00:31:27,865 --> 00:31:31,345
Do do do do do do do do...
506
00:31:34,385 --> 00:31:37,385
Russell was one of the great
music video directors that
507
00:31:37,545 --> 00:31:41,705
emerged from that period
as a director that could
508
00:31:41,865 --> 00:31:47,145
see how the result of a great music
track combined to interesting,
509
00:31:47,305 --> 00:31:51,025
glamorous visuals with the right
artist could create something
510
00:31:51,185 --> 00:31:53,105
that was more than
the sum of the parts.
511
00:31:53,225 --> 00:31:55,545
I'm after you
512
00:31:55,665 --> 00:31:57,385
Mouth is alive
513
00:31:57,505 --> 00:31:59,065
Juices like wine
514
00:31:59,185 --> 00:32:04,025
And I'm hungry like the wolf...
515
00:32:06,385 --> 00:32:10,585
Simon and I liked it cos
we were a bit more adventurous
516
00:32:10,745 --> 00:32:14,105
and we liked travelling and we liked
going to slightly weird places
517
00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:16,465
but I don't think Nick liked
the idea very much cos
518
00:32:16,625 --> 00:32:19,985
he still liked wearing make-up
and stuff so, for him,
519
00:32:20,145 --> 00:32:24,585
going to Sri Lanka
and staying in a dodgy,
520
00:32:24,785 --> 00:32:29,385
old hotel somewhere was not
something he wanted to do,
I don't think.
521
00:32:29,545 --> 00:32:34,225
I got there completely fried, having
not slept for two or three days,
522
00:32:34,385 --> 00:32:37,065
and I arrived in Sri Lanka thinking,
"OK, record's done, I'm going
523
00:32:37,225 --> 00:32:38,905
"to take it
and play it to everyone else.
524
00:32:39,025 --> 00:32:41,105
"Let's hope they're happy."
525
00:32:41,265 --> 00:32:44,225
I got off, came out from the plane
and I was thinking,
526
00:32:44,385 --> 00:32:47,265
"OK, where's the guy with my limo?"
So I was looking around
527
00:32:47,425 --> 00:32:53,465
and an Indian guy comes over to me,
he says, "Nick." I said, "Yeah.
528
00:32:53,625 --> 00:32:56,185
"Where's the car?"
He says, "Oh, it's over here."
529
00:32:56,345 --> 00:33:00,465
So we go out and it's,
I mean, blistering heat
530
00:33:00,625 --> 00:33:04,705
and I'm dressed from head to
toe in black leather.
531
00:33:04,865 --> 00:33:07,705
"Wow, OK, well, let's get in the car
and perhaps there'll be some
532
00:33:07,865 --> 00:33:10,305
"air conditioning."
Anyway, it's a flatbed truck.
533
00:33:10,425 --> 00:33:12,065
So, oh, my God.
534
00:33:12,225 --> 00:33:14,025
I said, "Well, how long is it
to the hotel?"
535
00:33:14,145 --> 00:33:15,705
expecting him to say 20 minutes.
536
00:33:15,825 --> 00:33:17,225
He said, "Five hours."
537
00:33:17,385 --> 00:33:20,945
Nick is the most urbane
member of Duran Duran,
538
00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:23,225
was then and is still now.
539
00:33:23,385 --> 00:33:25,345
The most difficult to get
out of the city.
540
00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:28,825
So, we drive for five hours
over these dust tracks,
541
00:33:28,985 --> 00:33:33,425
all the way into God knows where
in Sri Lanka and we end up there
542
00:33:33,585 --> 00:33:36,025
and, literally, as I arrive,
somebody gets my bag
543
00:33:36,145 --> 00:33:37,425
and takes it up to the hotel
544
00:33:37,585 --> 00:33:39,985
and I'm walking down to the beach
where they're filming in a
545
00:33:40,145 --> 00:33:44,705
complete daze and an elephant walked
past me on the street, I was my own.
546
00:33:44,825 --> 00:33:46,425
I thought I was hallucinating.
547
00:33:46,545 --> 00:33:49,305
It was so much fun doing those.
548
00:33:49,465 --> 00:33:51,825
We worked so hard,
we'd get up at 5:00 in the morning
549
00:33:51,945 --> 00:33:53,625
and we'd go to bed at 11:00 at night
550
00:33:53,785 --> 00:33:56,985
and we'd work all day long in-between
and we were totally,
551
00:33:57,145 --> 00:34:01,505
totally exhausted by the end
of our five days there.
552
00:34:01,665 --> 00:34:06,945
But it kind of worked. It was
one of those... This is so crazy.
553
00:34:07,105 --> 00:34:10,105
You know, we've got these guys
in eyeliner and crazy-colour hair
554
00:34:10,265 --> 00:34:12,065
and they're on the back
of elephants.
555
00:34:12,225 --> 00:34:16,945
It was so bizarre but, you know,
it was kind of irresistible.
556
00:34:17,065 --> 00:34:19,825
We came back with three whole videos.
557
00:34:19,945 --> 00:34:23,585
SONG: "Hungry Like The Wolf"
558
00:34:26,385 --> 00:34:29,705
Hungry Like The Wolf was actually
written with the Jupiter-8
559
00:34:29,865 --> 00:34:36,465
which is the synthesizer I used for
much of the sound on the Rio album.
560
00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:40,305
It was sort of new out around
that time, about 1982,
561
00:34:40,465 --> 00:34:43,825
and I completely
fell in love with it.
562
00:34:43,945 --> 00:34:44,985
Simon and I, I think,
563
00:34:45,145 --> 00:34:48,505
had been out the night before and
we had the most terrible hangover
564
00:34:48,665 --> 00:34:50,865
and, for some reason,
were feeling guilty about it
565
00:34:50,985 --> 00:34:52,465
and decided to go and do some work
566
00:34:52,625 --> 00:34:56,545
so we went to EMI Studios
at Manchester Square
567
00:34:56,705 --> 00:34:59,865
and we got in quite early and we'd
been listening to something in the
568
00:35:00,025 --> 00:35:05,265
car and we got a sort of idea and
I started playing with this sound.
569
00:35:05,425 --> 00:35:07,425
It won't sound quite the same
I shouldn't think
570
00:35:07,545 --> 00:35:10,265
because it needs effects but...
574
00:35:26,665 --> 00:35:31,185
And Simon had an idea for a lyric
and by lunchtime,
575
00:35:31,345 --> 00:35:35,385
when everyone else turned up,
we pretty much had the song
576
00:35:35,545 --> 00:35:38,545
and Andy came in and played
a killer guitar riff on top of it
577
00:35:38,705 --> 00:35:41,225
and John and Roger thought,
"This is easy."
578
00:35:41,385 --> 00:35:44,665
That's pretty hooky already,
isn't it there?
579
00:35:44,825 --> 00:35:49,945
And then you've got
Andy's angry guitars.
581
00:35:52,625 --> 00:35:57,145
It was really Andy that gave the
band that real edge and Andy was
pretty...
582
00:35:58,305 --> 00:36:01,625
He was from Newcastle
so he had this edge to him.
583
00:36:01,745 --> 00:36:05,385
Later, Roger added the Simmons drums
584
00:36:05,545 --> 00:36:08,665
and suddenly it sounded like nothing
else we'd ever heard.
585
00:36:08,825 --> 00:36:13,305
It's got these great big fills
in which was this amazing new kit,
586
00:36:13,425 --> 00:36:17,145
it was like a hexagonal drum kit.
587
00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:21,705
There was only really two sounds
on there. You had this sound...
589
00:36:23,065 --> 00:36:28,945
There we go which is a really
cool...very new sound then.
590
00:36:29,065 --> 00:36:30,865
And it had a really kind of pingy,
591
00:36:31,025 --> 00:36:34,665
disco-y sound as well which nobody
used but this was...
592
00:36:34,825 --> 00:36:37,345
One of the drum sounds
of the '80s was this drum.
593
00:36:39,745 --> 00:36:41,625
There's a big roll coming up.
595
00:36:45,145 --> 00:36:46,665
There we go.
596
00:36:46,825 --> 00:36:50,945
One of Colin's things, we always had
a lot of ambience on the record.
597
00:36:51,105 --> 00:36:55,065
You know, we'd record the drums very
tightly, as you can hear here...
599
00:36:57,265 --> 00:37:02,665
It's a very tight drum sound
but then he'd add this...ambience.
600
00:37:02,825 --> 00:37:04,945
There you go,
that's with the ambience.
602
00:37:06,465 --> 00:37:09,625
And that kind of defined the drum
sound for the '80s in a way.
603
00:37:09,785 --> 00:37:13,265
You'd have this kind
of gated ambience.
604
00:37:13,425 --> 00:37:17,345
If you listen to In The Air Tonight
by Phil Collins, it's got this
605
00:37:17,505 --> 00:37:21,665
drum sound that's got this
beautiful ambient sound on it
606
00:37:21,825 --> 00:37:23,945
and that was how
Colin liked to record,
607
00:37:24,105 --> 00:37:27,305
it was this combination
of tightly-recorded stuff
608
00:37:27,465 --> 00:37:33,385
and big ambient mics that gave it
that really powerful movement.
609
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,400
I remember interviewing them
after Rio had come out
610
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,440
when they'd just come back
from the really gruelling
611
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,480
two-and-a-half-month tour supporting
Blondie in the States
612
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680
and Canada and they were absolutely
exhausted and, obviously,
613
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,320
this was all part of how
you broke America.
614
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:59,240
The band had this very effeminate
image in the US at the time.
615
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,000
It was quite tricky selling a
New Romantic movement with make-up,
616
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,800
etc to an American audience,
especially in the Midwest.
617
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,680
There was always this
issue in the US about
618
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,800
whether you needed to remix
certain parts of an album
619
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200
or a single or a song to fit
620
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,360
"the American marketplace,
the American club scene"
621
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,720
and I had met a producer
called David Kershenbaum.
622
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,120
Well, the first thing that struck me
were the chord progressions.
623
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,760
The melody and the chord progressions
were different than what was
624
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,120
going on in American music
at the time
625
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,600
and it was captured by some
really infectious rhythm.
626
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,120
And I had introduced him
to, I think,
627
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:52,520
Paul Barrow with a view that maybe
Paul would want to consider him
628
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,720
to help him
remixing some parts of the album
629
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,760
so that it would give more of an
"American feel"
630
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,440
or an "American mix"
to some of that music.
631
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,920
And that's really what
we were aiming at,
632
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,920
was getting Simon's voice
correctly out in front
633
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,520
but yet surrounding it with the
right rhythm elements that would
634
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,800
bring it forward and
I was taken by the sound, I thought
635
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,240
it was something that could
definitely work.
636
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,280
So, yes, we sold our soul
and we remixed the album with David,
637
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,800
who did a very good job.
638
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,920
But then there was this whole new
other avenue - MTV.
639
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,000
When we were starting out,
640
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,640
what we wanted to do was bring
together the two greatest
641
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,920
cultural forces in America
for the baby boomers -
642
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,680
one was rock'n'roll music
and the other one was television.
643
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:50,640
A music channel where they were
going to play nothing but videos.
644
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,720
This was a revolution.
645
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,840
Hungry Like The Wolf
was picked up by MTV
646
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,360
and it put it into high rotation.
647
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,640
One day,
my associate Tom Freston and I,
648
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,400
who was there
at the beginning of MTV,
649
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:09,000
were out in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
just doing anything we could to
650
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,040
try to find a story about MTV having
an impact on record sales.
651
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,960
And Capitol Records could see
that in certain towns,
652
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,560
for no apparent reason,
Duran was moving stock.
653
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,360
A clerk scratched his head and said,
654
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,440
"Yeah, I'm selling Duran Duran
and The Buggles and I don't know why
655
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,160
"because they're not getting played
656
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,400
"but I just sold three boxes in
Tulsa and that's a lot of records."
657
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,880
And it almost came down to
being as absurd as
658
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,880
on one side of the road
where they had cable,
659
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,840
where MTV was being piped in,
660
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,600
on that side of the road
were Duran fans
661
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,840
and on the other side of the road
where MTV didn't exist or the cable,
662
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,520
there wouldn't be fans.
663
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,040
We developed a great
relationship with MTV.
664
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,360
They were hungry
for videos at that point
665
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,160
because you had people that
wouldn't make videos.
666
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,440
I mean some of the kind of more
credible rock people really
667
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,120
backed away from it, they thought
it was going to ruin music,
668
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,800
they thought it was
the end of music.
669
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Because you're lonely
in your nightmare
670
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Let me in
671
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,880
Because there's heat
beneath your winter
672
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Let me in
673
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,040
And it's silent
on your stone field
674
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,520
Let me in...
675
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,880
The Sri Lankan experience really
pressed it home that actually
676
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:38,360
what was being made was in effect
a film and wasn't just a bunch
677
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,400
of video clips, if you like, for
promotional purposes for the singles.
678
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,040
It was something more than that
679
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,560
and so it was therefore a learning
experience for the band
680
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,800
as much as it was a great
experience for Russell Mulcahy to
681
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,440
actually have the have the budget to
indulge in his great ideas.
682
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,960
And we filmed three
videos in that seven days
683
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,360
so when we were in a jungle,
684
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,880
we would film a bit of
Hungry Like The Wolf
685
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,800
and then we'd do a little bit of
Save A Prayer.
686
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960
Save it till the morning after
687
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,320
No, don't say a prayer for me now
688
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:25,680
Save it till the morning after
689
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:33,520
Save it till the morning after...
690
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,400
It was a whirlwind, we were there,
and particularly for me,
691
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,680
arriving late, just got in,
did the videos, we were on a beach,
692
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,160
jumping into the sea,
there at the sunset, on an elephant.
693
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,720
Simon and I would drop
from a helicopter on top of this
694
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,480
massive mountain which
I don't know how I ever did that,
695
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,360
I mean I'd never do that in my life
again and then we had to
696
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,640
climb back up into it and flew off,
went over a jungle and that was it.
697
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,680
All done.
698
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,200
Don't say a prayer for me now
699
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,120
Save it till the morning after
700
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,680
No, don't say a prayer for me now
701
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:20,400
Save it till the morning after
702
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:28,640
Save it till the morning after...
703
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,880
Save A Prayer is
still my favourite track on Rio.
704
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,080
I just think it's totally timeless,
that song.
705
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:41,360
I love the melancholy
atmosphere of it.
706
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,640
I think Simon singing on that is
probably the best I've ever
heard him.
707
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,920
Feel the breeze deep on the inside
708
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Look you down into your well
709
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:01,480
If you can, you'll see
the world in all his fire
710
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Take a chance like all dreamers
711
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,080
You can't find another way...
712
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,440
We knew it was an anthem,
713
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:18,400
we knew that it was and really great
anthems, they stand out anyway.
714
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,760
And then these guitars, these...
716
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,520
So beautiful, there's
a lot of chorus on them but that's
717
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,760
the body of the song, that's what
supports the melody throughout.
718
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:43,760
The bass...is recorded
over two tracks.
719
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,000
I've been playing this live recently
720
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,120
and I've been using
a sort of chorus pedal to give me
721
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,720
this sound which is what I thought
it was but it's actually two tracks
722
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,600
which gives that sort of phased
effect, almost like a fretless.
723
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,040
It's four synths.
724
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,720
And there's four guitars.
725
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:09,200
It's a nice mixture of techno
and organic and it's that warmth,
726
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,840
it's warm but it's new at
the same time which is nice.
727
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
The most important line
in it is the one about
728
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,880
"some people call it
a one-night stand
729
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,720
"but we can call it paradise."
730
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,080
This idea of let's not
think about what it means,
731
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:31,880
let's not think about tomorrow,
just think about now, you know,
732
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,760
that's the only thing that matters.
733
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,960
Some people call it
a one-night stand
734
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:43,000
But we can call it paradise
735
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,280
Don't say a prayer for me now...
736
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,400
That feeling that now is
the important time,
737
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:58,400
it kind of slightly got over the sort
of rumpled sheets aspect of it and
738
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,280
concentrated on the philosophy idea
a bit more and I'm really glad
739
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,640
it did that because that's really
what was in my mind at the time.
740
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,600
You just don't expect the frontman
of a style band, which is
741
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,440
not to dismiss them, that's like
dismissing Roxy Music, you can't.
742
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,440
You just don't expect them
to go deep into themselves
743
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640
and occasionally, Le Bon did,
he had that ability to do that.
744
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,160
It's only one drum take.
746
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,600
In those days, you could play
the song for five minutes,
747
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,640
if you made a mistake at the end
then it's, "Oh, no, I've got to go
748
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,000
"and do it again" so you'd have to
go and re-record the whole drum
track.
749
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,280
And we used to make 12" versions
as well which were like
750
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,120
ten minutes long
and they were all played live.
751
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,640
You know, you couldn't cut it
up on the computer
752
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,720
and make loops as you do now.
753
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,640
It's like, "OK, Roger, this is
a ten-minute version of the song.
754
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,200
"Start now." And ten minutes later,
I'd still be playing it.
755
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Save it till the morning after...
756
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,880
Andy's lead comes in so we have...
758
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,280
Which is actually the closest
we ever got to a sort of
anthemic rock thing.
759
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,000
It's a nice mixture of old and new.
760
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,840
This thing called a "bender..."
762
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,160
So, the melody on
Save A Prayer goes...
764
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,120
It's just one of those parts that
every time he plays it,
765
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
you've got to smile, you know,
it's just one of those magic
766
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,760
moments on stage,
it's not lost its specialness.
767
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,320
SONG: "Save A Prayer"
768
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,080
And it's just very gentle,
it's quite romantic
769
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,280
but it's also bittersweet
and it's quite sad
770
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,080
and I quite like that
quality about it
771
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:38,560
and I just think that was kind of
so unexpected of them at the time.
772
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:44,160
It's quite a sensual album. All the
grooves move along the right beat.
773
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,400
It feels comfortable,
it feels natural,
774
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,680
there's nothing that really
sounds over-rushed.
775
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:54,000
And these combinations of
their own individual images,
776
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,680
their own way of dressing, looking,
the styling that went on,
777
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:05,000
these wonderful videos, coupled
together with this wonderful music.
778
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,800
How could you not be happy
779
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,600
when you were listening to
Duran Duran's music?
780
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,880
One, two, three, four
781
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Her name is Rio
and she dances on the sand
782
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:25,960
Just like that river
twists across the dusty land...
783
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:33,160
I'm glad they've come to be seen as
a proper band because the temptation
784
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,600
would always be to diss it cos they
were such pop dollies, you know.
785
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,200
The point is that there was a severe
group intelligence behind that.
786
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,440
Clear as day, they were smart guys,
they are smart guys.
787
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,960
Where they were all coming from was
correct - art, style,
788
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,440
fashion, deep knowledge of music.
789
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Anything that is classic is
because it is enduring.
790
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,560
In other words, it's timeless,
and Rio, today,
791
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,440
is just as fresh as it was the day
I first heard it.
792
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,640
It was just one of those amazing
periods of time, probably we'll
793
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,480
never touch again, where everything
just seemed to be perfect.
794
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,480
I think that's a combination
of a band that is at the top
795
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,600
of its game, that is just having
so much fun, playing every day.
796
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,320
It is playing more than it ever
thought it would play
797
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,480
and an engineer-producer who just
knows exactly what to do,
798
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,560
knows exactly how to channel
what he's hearing.
799
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:35,240
I was so excited by the fact that
we'd made this record.
800
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,200
We just hit the right nerve.
801
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Sometimes, you know, you can
try and overthink things
802
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,160
and guess at what it is the public
would like to hear and do
803
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,720
something that you feel is right
on the pulse and miss it by a mile.
804
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,400
Other times, if you just do what
you like and what comes naturally,
805
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,280
you've hit that nerve.
806
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,320
SONG: "Rio"
807
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,520
Do do do do do do do
808
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,560
Do do do do, ahhhhhh
809
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,720
Whoa, wow.
810
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,280
Hey, there she goes again!
813
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,720
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814
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