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Good evening,
and welcome to The Culpeper Minute.

It's been nearly a decade. . .

...since the best-selling autobiography
Under the Hood...

...revealed secrets of the original band
of masked adventurers...

...the new Minutemen.

In 1975, when The Culpeper Minute
was new to the airwaves...

. . .we profiled the author of Under the Hood,
Hollis Mason. . .

...the former adventurer
known as Nite Owl.

When my original report aired in 1 975,
the Keene Act had not yet been passed.

Now, this controversial bill outlawed all
costumed adventurers and masked heroes.

Given our current climate of unrest
around the subject of masked justice...

...we thought it would be interesting
to revisit that original episode...

. . .as a reminder of where
the whole phenomena. . .

...of costumed heroics began.

Tonight we're talking with Hollis Mason
about his autobiography, Under the Hood.

Hollis Mason's memoirs
revealed some of the secrets...

...of the masked adventurers.

I met with Hollis at one of his favorite
New York establishments, the Gunga Diner.

Coming to New York at 1 2 years old...

...it was, uh, fantastic for me
in a lot of ways.

And my dad got a job
at Vernon's Auto Repair off 7th Avenue.

-Now Mason's, right?
-Now Mason's. Yeah, yeah.

Same place.

CULPEPER: Yet you didn't follow in your
father's footsteps. You chose another path.

MASON:
Well, yeah, when l was 23...

...l joined the New York City
Police Department.

And l think that that had a lot to do
with my grandfather...

...and the values
that he'd instilled in me.

Because for the first 1 2 years of my life,
I spent a lot of time with my granddad.

He was always keen to impress upon me...

...that country folk were morally healthier
than city folk, the way they lived.

Of course you were competitive
in certain ways, but you were also--

You helped each other.

And it was kind of a moral value
that stuck with me.

And when I first got to the city...

...there were things l saw
that really filled me with disgust...

...that l found a hard time shaking,
and, you know, some really--

Some of it l still can't.

What my grandfather gave me...

...and what I was confronted with
in the city--

When the distance between those things
got too great and I couldn't deal with it...

...then l would go to my real other world,
the world of pulp-fiction novels.

They described a world
of absolute values...

...where what was good and true
was never in doubt.

And evil was--

Well, it received
its appropriate punishment.

Is that how you've led your life, then?

-That's what I've tried to do. Um....
-Mm-hm.

Yeah.

Hollis Mason, idealizing young cop...

...trying to make sense
of granddad's country values...

...and the grit of the big city
he finds himself living in.

Soon enough, the police force and its brand
ofjustice is not enough for young Mason.

Long a fan of pulp detective fiction
and comic-book heroics...

...Mason did what others
only fantasize about.

He made himself a disguise...

...and set out in the nights
as a vigilante...

...doling out justice on his own terms.

What influenced this shift
in Mason's behavior?

It's funny when you think about it.

You know, I've heard all the--

All the jokes and all the rumors
and all the innuendos.

What it really comes down to for me...

...is that l dressed up like an owl
and l fought crime...

...because it was fun.

And because it was the right thing to do.

And because l darn well enjoyed it.

[MASON CHUCKLES]

I suppose it really started
to take shape for me in 1 938.

And on my beat there were a lot of kids
reading that first issue of Action Comics.

I was so drawn, I couldn't help it.

I asked one of the kids if l could borrow it
and take a look at it.

And that first issue of Superman...

-...wow, knocked me out.
-Mm-hm.

Okay, Superman was your biggest influence,
and it was to a lot of kids.

But you took it even further.

MASON: Well, it all changed
when l opened the newspaper one day...

...and l saw that these characters had
escaped from their four-color world...

...and they were now in the factual
black-and-white world of the headlines.

An attempted assault and robbery
was thwarted by a figure...

...who supposedly dropped into
the alleyway from above...

...with something over his face.

And he then proceeded
to disarm the three attackers...

...and beat them with such severity
that all three were hospitalized.

The newspapers started calling him
Hooded Justice.

And that was the first masked vigilante.

And when I heard that story
I made up my mind right then...

...l was gonna be the second.

We have to take a break for our sponsors
now, but when we come back...

...more from our 1 975 story
on masked adventurers.

Thank you for staying with us.

We return now to our retrospective look
at Under the Hood...

...and what these men and women
mean to us today.

CULPEPER: Why did you come up
with the owl costume?

MASON:
It really came together...

...because of another cop that l was
working with in my station house.

And he kept asking me
to go out for a beer after work.

And l kept saying no, because, you know,
I wanted to train at night...

...and get ready for my other career.

And then he started
calling me "night owl."

-You know, he was being sarcastic.
-Right.

And l loved it.
I thought, "Well, that's it, Nite Owl."

-So that's where the name came from?
-That's where it came from.

So once l had the name, then I could
start thinking about the costume.

Should it have a cape or no cape?
Should you have a mask or no mask?

Eventually, l just boiled it down
to the basics.

I needed a costume
where l was free to move.

I needed to protect my body.
I needed to protect my head.

And l needed to protect my identity.

So l did this with a tunic
that was covered in leather and mail...

...a kind of steel mesh.

And l had a hood with--
It was leather and steel mesh again.

And then briefs.
They were covered in the same mail.

So l've got my hair covered
and all l need is a little mask.

So l did it with this. This is the mask.

I attached this mask with a spirit gum...

...which is what actors use
to put on mustaches and beards.

CULPEPER: lt turned out, there were several
masked adventurers at the time.

MASON: Yeah, about a month
after I made my debut...

...the headlines were all about
a young woman called the Silhouette.

She had exposed a crooked publisher
who was dealing in child pornography.

And she gave him such a brutal beating.
Him and his two cameramen, right?

Well, that was quite a story.

From there it grew pretty quickly.

There were stories
of a man dressed like a moth...

...who could glide through the air.

And then there was a story of a man
in a yellow boiler suit...

...who was particularly brutal
and vicious.

In 12 months of Hooded Justice's
dramatic entrance...

...there were at least, oh,
seven other costumed vigilantes.

There was Sally Jupiter,
who took the name of Silk Spectre.

There was Dollar Bill,
there was Mothman...

...there was the Silhouette,
there was Comedian.

And, of course, there was me.

Little that Mason told me
was not already in his book.

So l turned to some of the other figures
from his world to find out more.

She used her sexuality to fight crime...

...and her crime fighting
to pursue a career on the silver screen.

Now her daughter lives on in her image...

...and life seemingly
has passed Sally Jupiter by.

We joined her at her home
for the following exchange back in 1 975.

CULPEPER:
Why the name Silk Spectre?

JUPITER:
You know, it's funny.

Many people have hypothesized about
reasons why that might have come up.

And in truth,
I wanted to find something mysterious...

...something that had a good ring to it,
you know?

And l felt that she should be somebody
who could slip out of your hands.

Silk stockings, you know,
were very expensive at the time.

And it just had a good ring to it, l guess,
is all I can really say.

What were your motivations
in becoming a masked adventurer?

I saw Hooded Justice...

...and l think the idea of doing something
that was out of the normal--

I never felt like l really fit in.

And l think that becoming Silk Spectre
really made me feel actually more at home.

Now, Silk Spectre is presented in fairly
racy imagery in posters and in comics.

How do you deal with these,
what I call, visually degrading pictures?

Oh, l never had a problem
with that sort of thing.

I mean, you know, they always
referred to me as a sex symbol.

And l have to say,
I'd rather be a symbol of that...

...than a symbol for other things
they've got symbols of.

You know what l mean?

Jimmy Fantucci, a famous mobster,
I'm sure you've heard of him.

He actually turned himself into the cops
because he couldn't shoot me.

You know, as l said, l never shied away
from the way that I looked.

And, in fact, it seemed in this case,
I could use it.

Masked adventurers or whatever what you
wanna call them is all about commerce.

You have to remember that this country
was founded on entertainment.

And when I managed Sally,
the Silk Spectre...

...we used her status as a costumed hero
to make lucrative deals of every kind.

Movie deals, image licensing for pinups,
comic books, everything.

It was a business strategy that corporations
picked up on almost immediately.

Dollar Bill was originally
a star college athlete from Kansas...

...hired by a major department store...

...when they realized
that having their own superhero...

...was an interesting publicity prospect.

Still, l like to think that Sally and I
pioneered the concept.

When you're trying to make a mark
in the world, you need help.

You need someone
who can be sort of the cohesive factor...

...in bringing the awareness to the public,
and he definitely did that.

And l think, in fact, probably at the expense
of many people's agendas, really.

I don't think you can make
value judgments...

...on whether or not costumed heroes
are good or bad for society.

That's like asking
if television is good or bad.

The answer is that it's both.

It was only really
when we got together...

...that the problems started.

The Minutemen, yeah.

What a great idea.

I wish I can take credit for it,
but I can't in good conscience.

The way it happened was one day l got
a letter for Sally from Captain Metropolis.

He said he wanted to get together
to discuss the idea...

...of forming a group
of masked adventurers.

At first, I thought he was using the idea
as a means to get her into bed.

Then l did a little research...

...and l learned that my concerns...

...were, yeah, unfounded...

...if you get my meaning.

Lawrence made the Minutemen.

If it wasn't for him
and his knack for publicity--

I mean l think as someone in your
profession, you could probably understand...

...that if we did this interview and no one
saw it, then, poof, it doesn't matter.

SHEXNAYDER: I realized
that without the occasional gimmick...

...to revitalize flagging public interest...

...the fad of costumed heroes...

...would eventually fade,
even the ones dressed like Sally.

After some consideration l suggested
they take a large ad out in the Gazette...

...asking for more mystery men
to come forward.

And that's how
the Minutemen came to be.

CULPEPER:
Now, when you first met The Comedian...

...Nite Owl, Silhouette and the others...

...what were your thoughts?
Were you intimidated?

Was there a sense of relief?

Oh, it was an incredibly exhilarating time,
I have to say.

I think we all felt like
we were part of a family...

...that we had found sort of a place...

...where we could feel like
we actually were of value.

Everyone brought
something different to the Minutemen.

But somehow when we were together
there was a bonding feeling...

...that we all believed
in what we were doing.

Now, the reason I say "relief" is because
many of the people back in those days...

...thought that you were all
rather bizarre, abnormal individuals...

...running around in children's costumes.

JUPITER:
We were just people.

And everyone did have absolutely
different politics.

Some of us were in it for fame.
Some for power.

Some to possibly hide
from the rest of the world.

But in the end of the day, our politics
really didn't get in the way too much...

...of what we wanted to be there to do,
which was good.

We did too much good in our respective
communities just to be written off.

We were all attempting
through our personal efforts...

...to make our country
a better and a safer place to live.

Clearly, Hollis Mason is a man
who makes no apologies...

...for the life he's lived
or the decisions he's made.

But is his own personal moral code
enough justification...

...for donning a mask
and dispensing vigilante justice?

I went out and asked around
to get a better sense...

...of how you, the people,
felt about masked heroes.

MAN 1 :
I don't know.

I get a lot of customers that are cops.

Guys that come by and pay
for a pack of smokes from me...

...and they tell me
that these masked adventurers...

...they're making the job more difficult.

MAN 2:
What do I think of them?

They've just about destroyed my business,
I can tell you that.

They maim my customers.

They like to break fingers. They think
it's funny. Yeah. They're dangerous.

But then on the other hand,
what if we hadn't had...

...that Dr. Manhattan guy
on our side, huh?

I mean, l know it's inconceivable to us,
now knowing what we know...

...but who's to say that things wouldn't
have gone the same in Vietnam...

...without them?

Losing that war.

That would've destroyed our country.

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Welcome back,
and thank you for watching.

In our current climate, the relevance
of masked adventurers, the Watchmen...

...is more in question than ever before.

We continue now
with our look back at a show...

...in which we discussed
Under the Hood...

...a memoir of original masked hero
The Nite Owl, née Hollis Mason.

A book which precipitated
many of the questions we have today...

...about these men and women who act
apart from our prescribed laws ofjustice.

Certainly there are many costumed heroes
who would make for fascinating study.

I spoke with psychiatrist William Long...

...to gain some professional insight.

You know, it's an interesting question.

Mostly, in the prison,
I work with criminals.

So my perception is slightly skewed.

I think certainly
there are masked heroes...

...and superhumans, like Dr. Manhattan...

...that just want to do good.

I think there are others
that are nothing more than criminals...

...who used this as a means...

...to justify their violent tendencies.

The only masked heroes
that pose an actual threat...

...are the relatively few
borderline sociopaths...

...that actually believe
that they are doing good.

Beneath that mask...

...they're just like you and me...

...with hopes and desires, fears...

...love.

I hope that one day...

...l can psychoanalyze
one of these masked heroes.

That would be something.

It seems a bygone era to us now.

The heady days of the roaring '40s.

People were eager for distraction,
hungry for a fix of drama.

What better than a group
of self-designed superheroes...

...to act out an exaggerated
street theater of crime fighting.

And in a world populated
by supervillains...

...why not?

There was the notorious
Moloch the Mystic...

...using the sideshow novelty of the magic
show to front his one-man wave of terror.

Later, of course, came modern supervillains
like Big Figure...

...the diminutive master criminal
now serving a life sentence in the city jail.

You think I'm the menace.

I'm not the one wearing a mask.
I got nothing to hide.

What kind of person is that?
Wear a mask?

I'm a respectable businessman.

CULPEPER:
It wasn't easy finding Moloch the Mystic.

But then again, well,
it wasn't too difficult.

You see, Moloch, like so many infamous
figures of our postwar past...

...had simply gone into civilian life.

MOLOCH:
I was a younger man then.

I was rebellious.

Like these gangs you see around,
the Knot Tops.

When you live in a world
with superhuman authority figures...

...and you wanna rebel,
you have to rebel on a larger scale.

You have to escalate things, you see.

So...

...if you grow up in a world
with superheroes and you wanna rebel...

...you have to become a supervillain.

So, yeah, l think society is better off
without the superheroes...

...because that means there's no need
for any supervillains either.

MASON:
Thank you. Thanks.

You know, it didn't last, oh, 1 0 years.

When the '50s came, the whole perception
of costumed adventurers...

...you know, changed, you know?

It was a fad, yeah.

And the fad was dying out
and we were dying with it.

[CHUCKLES]

Sally...

...well, she got pregnant
and she left.

The rest of us,
we were forced to testify...

...before the House Un-American
Activities Committee.

It was a witch hunt.

We were all forced to reveal
our identities...

...to one of its representatives.

I am Captain Metropolis
from the Minutemen.

MASON:
Now, luckily, with Captain Metropolis...

...having such an outstanding
military record...

...and with my own service
in the police force...

...we both were more or less
cleared of suspicion right away.

Mothman met with more difficulty,
mostly because of the left-wing friends...

...that he'd cultivated
during his student days.

Now, he's eventually cleared...

...but the investigations,
they were so lengthy and so ruthless...

...that l think that
the pressure he was under...

...it exacerbated his drinking problem...

...and it caused
his eventual mental breakdown.

Hooded Justice...

...refused to testify...

...on the grounds that he was not prepared
to reveal his true identity to anybody.

And when they pressed him...

...he disappeared.

And l really respect him for that.

He was the reason
I became the Nite Owl...

...and l don't know to this day
who he was behind that mask.

Isn't that something?

[CHUCKLES]

I understand that you wanted to leave
the Minutemen because you got pregnant.

Is that the reason?
Was there any other reasons...

...that you retired from the Minutemen?

JUPITER: You know,
sometimes it's just time to move on.

I think I would've stayed longer,
had l not gotten pregnant.

But it was-- You know, life gives you those
little signs of when to take the door out.

And that seemed to be the one.

In his biography, Hollis alleged that you
were sexually assaulted by The Comedian.

Yet you've never said anything
about this.

Hmm.

Well, why should l break
a lifetime's habit now, right?

[CHUCKLES]

I can't blame you for asking as a reporter,
but, yes, it's--

No comment.

How much did the incident
between Sally Jupiter and The Comedian...

...affect your decision
to hang up the mask?

Well, that had lot to do with it, yeah.

I think once you realize
that some of your teammates...

...are just as depraved...

...and twisted as the criminals
you're going after....

Yeah.

That had a lot to do with why I quit.

There's no truth to that rumor.

If something like that had happened...

...don't you think I would have advised
Sally to have pressed criminal charges?

She was my best client.
My biggest earner.

I would never allow something like that
to go unpunished.

It's nothing more than sensationalism.

Self-promotion.

Hollis Mason wants to sell more books.

CULPEPER:
The Comedian declined to comment.

Get that thing out of my face
before l put my cigar out in your eye.

Under the Hood is a fantastic book.

You know, he's one of my customers,
you know.

I see him all the time.

It's funny about this superhero thing,
you know, it's a very fine line.

And when you got somebody
like the Nite Owl...

...who is your quintessential superhero,
because outside you get this guy...

...who dresses up
and does all the kaboom-kabang stuff...

...but inside he's a cop.

So he's a guy who knows what's true blue.
You know what l mean?

He's not into these
kind of artsy-fartsy things.

He's a great man.

So...

...l don't know.

Hard to say whether these masked-hero
types are a good or a bad thing...

...you know, in the final analysis.

It's interesting to note
that back in 1 975...

...people were still very much divided
as to whether or not...

...the so-called costumed adventurers
were a benefit or a detriment to society.

Given the events
after this interview aired...

...perhaps Hollis Mason's retirement
came at the perfect time.

We'll hear more from Hollis Mason
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Continuing now with my interview
of Hollis Mason.

We're talking about
costumed adventurers.

He's been called
the Eighth Wonder of the World.

Our national treasure. Our greatest hope.

But Dr. Manhattan is also viewed
as a freak of nature.

His power is so great as to illicit fear
not only in our enemies but in ourselves.

Before he was the radiating blue
superbeing he is today...

...he was Jon Osterman,
physicist, son of a watchmaker.

A man with friendships,
loves, common family values.

One of his friends
and, in fact, colleagues...

...who continues to work
with Dr. Manhattan today...

...is an esteemed physicist
in his own right...

...Wally Weaver.

We went to Weaver's lab
and had the following conversation.

Well, l think...

...heroes of all kinds are a good thing.

And l'm talking about the brave men
and women of our Armed Forces.

I'm talking about the policemen
and the firefighters.

I'm talking about the scientists
and the doctors. And, uh....

Yeah, l'd include masked heroes...

...in that group
that's a benefit to society too.

Jon is--

I'm sorry. Dr. Manhattan...

...is something else entirely.

I'm writing a book about how he's changed
the geopolitical landscape forever...

...essentially making the very idea...

...of war obsolete.

MASON: You know, the first thing
was absolute disbelief.

Well, of course, as you know,
there was elation too.

I mean, it was like Santa Claus
was alive and thriving.

But the fear....

It was a terrible fear...

...and an uncertainty
that went right to your core.

I certainly understood
how an old car feels...

...when it sees a new car,
a new model come rolling out.

[CHUCKLES]

But it was more than that.

You know, I think I can boil the feeling
down to three words, really. lt's:

We've been replaced.

And l don't just mean
the masked adventurers.

I mean, humanity.

We've been replaced.

Hollis always did have
a flair for the dramatic.

There is no doubt
that it was an absolute shock to all of us.

The fact that anything could exist
like Dr. Manhattan.

I mean, this was something
out of the realm of concept for us.

But we will always have a need
for humanity...

...and as much as we expand
and grow technologically, it's--

We still need human contact, you know?

People have always misinterpreted
what I said about Jon.

I wasn't comparing him to God.
I wasn't saying he was a god.

I just--

Just wish I wouldn't have
ever said that.

Bottom line is this: Jon is still Jon.

At his core...

...he's still a man.

Well, take what I said about supervillains
being a direct response...

...to the appearance of superheroes...

...and apply that
to the current scenario.

If you have a being that can destroy...

...with a single thought...

...then the terrifying thing
is that there is...

...or there soon will be, a counterpoint
or an adversary to that being.

The universe has a way of finding
its own equilibrium, its own level.

What worries me is that Dr. Manhattan's
nemesis will be arriving soon.

Of course,
some of these masked adventurers...

...never stopped practicing
their unique craft.

Eventually time moved forward to a point
where their presence was again welcomed...

...and some would say sorely needed.

Big city streets festered with violence...

...intimidation and rampant crime.

A perfect environment
for a new breed of masked hero to emerge.

Of course, I speak of the Watchmen.

Now, with the Cold War escalating
and the presence of a truly super being...

...at the forefront
of our national defense...

...a growing fear and restlessness
seems to permeate the population.

Only this time,
the fear is not of the criminals...

...but of the crime fighters themselves.

Senator Keene surely thinks
that the time has come to put an end...

...to masked adventuring.

His suggested new laws would effectively
clip the wings of these costumed heroes...

...making them hang up their masks...

...and preventing them from practicing
vigilante justice in our fair streets.

Senator Keene is an opportunistic...

...cipher.

He has no idea what he's talking about.

The real problem
are the police departments.

If they would take a little bit more
of what these masked heroes have...

...then we wouldn't need people
like Senator Keene...

...in the Senate in the first place.

What do I think about Senator Keene?

Listen, l work down here every day.

Whenever I'm in trouble, whenever
somebody's down here beating me up...

...and l yell for help, l don't care
who comes to save my butt.

I don't care if it's a superhero.
I don't care if it's a cop.

As long as somebody comes
when l'm yelling "help."

You understand?

People have...

...a need for...

...an everyday hero.

Masked or otherwise.

And, uh...

...people who know right from wrong...

...will always be in demand.

So l want to get a little personal here
for the moment.

You never married. Why is that?

-Um....
-Thank you.

Well, l suppose if there's any one reason
why l never got married...

...it was because...

...well, Sally Jupiter was taken.

I don't think...

...it's any great secret
that I had a thing for her.

Half the male population did.

By the time l'd rustled up the courage
to ask her out on a proper date...

...she was already married
to her manager.

[CHUCKLES]

It's kind of funny when you think of it.

I dress up as an owl
and risk my life on a daily basis...

...but when it came to
asking a girl out...

...it was more than l could manage.

Sadly, I think our marriage
was doomed from the start.

My professional position in Sally's life
made it very difficult to be a good husband.

It was my job as her manager...

...to not only accept the fact
that men were attracted to her...

...but to build on that attraction...

...to prey upon it.

Hollis was very important to you.

He was a very important person
in your life, correct?

Absolutely.

-You stay in contact with each other today?
-We do. We do.

Not as much as l would like, I must say.

You know, your life takes you
in different directions...

...but that was really a magical,
magical time...

...and we do like to talk about
the old times when we get together.

You know, I think--

I think I still have some kind of...

...half-baked idea that...

...Nite Owl and, uh...

...Silk Spectre are gonna end up
together one day.

Hm.

When we originally spoke
with Hollis Mason...

...he believed that the legacy
he'd begun as the Nite Owl...

...along with other members
of the masked-hero community...

...would live on for years to come.

He could not have known
how wrong he was.

This has been a nostalgic look back
at a colorful time in this nation's past...

...when we turned to flamboyant heroes
with cartoonish outfits...

...for our moral outlook.

In the post-Keene Act world
we now live in...

...the masked heroes
are as outdated and irrelevant...

...as the old beat-up wrecks
that Hollis Mason works on in his garage.

We hope that you have found this look back
at the history of costumed adventurers...

...both enlightening and informative.

I'm Larry Culpeper
for The Culpeper Minute.

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