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[soft music]
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[Salam] I am the first Muslim
who has got the prize for science.
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[announcer speaking in Swedish]
Abdus Salam...
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the Pakistani scientist.
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This footage is being aired live...
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[Salam] Breaking the barrier,
taking away that sense of inferiority
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which over the centuries had come over
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the Muslim youth.
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This breaking the barrier
had been done by somebody,
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who feels no conflict
between his religion,
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his culture, and science.
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This is the scientific age,
you cannot escape it.
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No one in the East can,
no one in the West can.
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This is the scientific age.
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It became quite clear to me
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that either I must leave my country,
or leave physics.
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And with great anguish
I chose to leave my country.
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[Islamic call for prayer playing]
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[gentle music]
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[woman 1] When we knew he was dying...
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that he no longer belongs to the family,
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he belongs to the people of Pakistan.
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So we bring him back home to you
and we hope that...
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the inspiration he gave in his life,
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will be an inspiration
for the people here.
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[man 1] Till his very end,
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he wanted nothing more
than to return.
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[crowd clamoring]
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He had not just grown up over here,
but he had received
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so much love and affection
from all those around him...
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This feeling never went away.
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It never went away,
even when...
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that country turned against him.
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[woman 2] He was extremely disappointed,
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when Pakistan didn't support him.
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He stayed loyal to Pakistan until the end.
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[man 2] He was offered UK nationality,
Italian nationality;
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turned them all down.
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Kept his Pakistani passport with pride.
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[indistinct conversations]
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Whatever he did,
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first and foremost
was for the benefit of the people.
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[man 3] Lots of people, in the West,
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who attack Islam, often say,
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"You know, Islam is decaying,
it's atrophied.
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How many Muslims have
won the Nobel Prize?"
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So, in Britain we can say, one:
Abdus Salam. [laughs]
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In India we can say, Abdus Salam.
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In Pakistan, where he was born,
we can't say that.
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Because the government has
decreed that he is not a Muslim.
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[man 1] He's a very tragic figure.
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But then, that is his greatness.
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[introduction music plays]
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Abdus Salam,
Pakistan's only Nobel laureate,
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the first Moslem to win the physics prize,
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helped lay the groundwork that led
to the Higgs boson breakthrough.
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And yet in Pakistani schools,
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his name has been erased
from the textbooks.
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That's because Abdus Salam,
who died in 1996,
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was a member of the Ahmadi sect,
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considered heretics by
the Sunni majority,
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and barred by an act of Parliament,
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from even calling themselves Moslems.
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[orchestral music playing]
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[announcer 1] Physics prize went to
Harvard Professors
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Steven Weinberg and
Sheldon Glashow, both 46,
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and to Abdus Salam
a 53-year-old Pakistani.
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They won for their work in trying
to discover a unified field theory,
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which concerns forces which
hold matter together,
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and which could lead to an explanation
of the creation of the universe.
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[announcer 2] Tonight's recipients have
taken a large step
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toward achieving what Einstein attempted
but failed to accomplish.
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[orchestral music continues]
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[Weinberg] He stood out
not only as compared to Glashow and me,
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but compared to all the other laureates.
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I mean, there were a bunch of people
looking like penguins,
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and then there was Salam
looking like an oriental prince...
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with slippers with curly toes, and...
He was gorgeous.
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[orchestral music crescendos]
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[announcer speaking in Swedish]
Next is Abdus Salam...
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the Pakistani scientist.
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This footage is being aired live,
via satellite to his country,
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confirming that one of
their foremost scientists
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has been awarded the
most prestigious award.
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Pakistan has bought this satellite time...
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[Glashow]
How proud he was, he said,
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to be the first Muslim Nobel laureate.
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[man] He was of course disappointed
that he missed out the first time.
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Naturally, he would be.
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Um, but also,
he was very aware of himself;
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as coming from Pakistan, a Muslim.
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Salam was very ambitious.
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That's why I think he worked so hard.
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You couldn't really work
for 15 hours a day...
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unless you had something
driving you, really.
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His work hadn't always been appreciated,
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shall we say by,
the Western world.
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He was different, he looked different.
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And maybe that also was the reason
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why he was so keen to get the Nobel Prize,
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to show them that, you know,
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to be a Pakistani or a Muslim
didn't mean that you were inferior,
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that you were as good as anybody else.
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[Salam] So far...
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I believe I am the first Muslim
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who has got the prize for science...
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breaking the barrier,
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taking away that sense of inferiority...
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which over the centuries
had come over the Muslim youth,
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that they had left behind in science.
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[Salam speaking in Urdu]
It's God's grace.
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I came from humble beginnings.
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Starting out from an ordinary village,
and then,
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receiving this gift
from the Almighty...
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Firstly, I am very grateful.
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And secondly, I wish my
parents were here with me.
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[gentle Indian classical music]
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[man] He came from a perfectly
ordinary middle-class background.
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A village, which had very little
educational infrastructure.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[in Urdu]
So 2a is equal to thirteen.
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Next, we'll divide it,
and here is the answer.
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[man] He came from an
Urdu-medium school.
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Taught by a...
village schoolteacher, essentially.
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And yet,
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just because he had
that enormous amount of
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intelligence and capacity...
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he was able to make it big.
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-[teacher speaking Urdu]
-[students repeating]
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[man continues]
Salam was clearly a prodigy.
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He had never even studied
under an electric light.
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He didn't know what an electric light was
until he went to Lahore.
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[Indian classical music continues]
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[birds chirping]
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[man] He was excused
any household chores.
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He didn't have to milk the cow,
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he didn't have to go out
and empty the toilet area at all.
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He didn't have to clean any of that up,
that was all down to his brothers.
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When the candles ran out,
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he didn't have to go and make new candles,
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his brothers all did that.
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Everything was secondary
to his benefit, effectively.
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My grandmother would always
take out the best piece of meat,
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so the best three pieces of meat
were put out for Salam.
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And then everything that
Abdus Salam grew up with...
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he was the favorite son.
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Which all stems back to the
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original vision that my
grandfather had. [laughs]
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If you go back to his dreams...
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From the boy disappearing up
into the tree...
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and my grandfather saying,
"Come down, come down."
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The little boy up in the tree saying,
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"Don't worry, I'm fine.
I can see everything up here."
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Um... those early signs,
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and of course, the dream of the
naming of him as Abdus Salam,
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which came in a vision
to my grandfather...
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All those things showed that...
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he was a very special being.
A gift from the Almighty.
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[Hoodbhoy] Salam was
only sixteen years old
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when he went to Government College.
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That's where he came across
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the work of this famous
Indian mathematician
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Srinivasa Ramanujan.
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Ramanujan was considered a genius
in the world of mathematics.
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He was an absolute phenomenon,
he went to Cambridge...
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And when Salam saw, uh...
a certain calculation
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that Ramanujan had done and attempted,
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he thought of a better way
of doing it himself.
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And he found this way of solving it
and that became his very first paper.
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But his talent didn't come out
until he went to Cambridge.
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[soft piano music]
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[man] I'm not quite sure
how you got to Cambridge.
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[Salam] There was a small
peasants welfare fund,
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which was set up by
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the Prime Minister of the
State of Punjab at that time.
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And I was fortunate to get
one of those scholarships.
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My father got here in 1946-47,
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which was the coldest winter on record.
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Uh, the Cam was frozen over.
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[news reporter]
...the worst blizzard in 24 years.
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After a fall of 18 inches,
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traffic was at a standstill.
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Even snowplows were snowbound.
Trains often had to be dug out.
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[Umar] Britain was on its knees,
post-war austerity.
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There was no food.
You could not get any meat.
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The only meat you could
get was Spam,
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which comes from pork,
and is therefore, forbidden for him.
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So the only alternative to
Spam was macaroni cheese
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which he ate every day, for...
[chuckles]
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...a very long time.
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[news introduction music plays]
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[news reporter] As the new dominions
of Pakistan and India
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take over their own affairs,
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communal hatred
flares up in the Punjab.
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[Umar] He left India.
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Uh, partition had not happened
at that point.
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My family were in the Punjab
for the most part.
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And so...
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the news from back home which was
all communicated by letters...
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my father and his father
wrote to each other,
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would have been
of the most dramatic nature.
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[news reporter]
...carrying their few possessions,
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they flee from savagery and butchery
that has never been exceeded
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even in India's stormy history.
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One million people become
refugees overnight.
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I think that my father in that sense
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had a burden or a weight or a concern,
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that other students would not have had.
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He was competing against people who had,
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had very privileged educations.
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Who had come to Cambridge
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with a sense of entitlement
and expectation,
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whereas he had none of that.
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There must have been very few
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South Asian faces
in Cambridge at that time.
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Cambridge made him see,
that you could do a lot.
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This was when he really started to
work hard, and for a purpose.
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[bell tolling]
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So, this is St. John's College Hall.
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And, um... here we have,
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William Wilberforce, the abolitionist,
anti-slavery campaigner.
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And, the poet William Wordsworth.
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Here we have Paul Dirac.
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He was regarded by my father,
as the supreme physicist.
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And then, finally...
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my father.
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It was extremely unusual
to put a portrait in the Hall,
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of a 20th century figure.
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At the time, my father and Dirac
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were the only 20th century figures
to have that honor.
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I can remember being in this
Hall with him
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in 1995, which was...
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the year that I graduated from St. John's.
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The pride that he felt
in accompanying me was nothing,
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to the pride that I feel
in seeing him here.
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[Hoodbhoy] When Salam was overseas
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he dreamed of coming back because...
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Well, England's a nice place, of course.
But home is home.
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It was the place that
had given him everything.
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He felt that he had to return
what he had been given.
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[Jinnah] The creation of the new State has
placed a tremendous responsibility
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on the citizens of Pakistan.
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It gives them an opportunity
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to demonstrate to the world
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how a nation,
containing many elements,
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can live in peace and amity,
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and work for the betterment
of all its citizens,
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irrespective of caste or creed.
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[birds chirping]
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[indistinct conversations]
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[man 1 speaking in Urdu]
How are you? All good?
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[in English]
Don't you feel great that
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you are one of the successors of Salam?
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[man 2 speaking in Urdu]
We are very proud, sir.
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[man 1 speaking in English]
This is a matter of great pride.
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Wonderful.
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There you see
Professor Salam's name
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from 1951 to 1952.
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He stayed here, from '51 to '54,
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but maybe after '52,
he was saturated with chairmanship
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and he must have left it, I don't know.
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He was not a, uh...
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run-of-the-mill, you know, sort of...
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college professor and faculty member.
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With the result,
the administration of the college...
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They were not particularly
happy with him.
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[gentle flute music]
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[Murtaza] He was professor of mathematics.
He was told,
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"You have to do some extracurricular
activities also, for the college.
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And you have a choice,
you can be a football team manager.
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You can be an accounts chief
of the office."
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Salam didn't like it, but of course,
he had no choice.
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[in Urdu] His real inclination was
towards science and physics.
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And he could never find...
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a single person in the entire university
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to discuss his ideas with.
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[Hoodbhoy] Let's remember,
this wasn't the age of the internet.
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There was no way of even
looking at a journal,
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anywhere in Pakistan.
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You were sitting on an island.
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[somber cello music]
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[Hafiza speaking in Urdu]
1953 was the year I spent with him
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in Lahore.
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In those days, riots happened
against our community in Pakistan.
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There was widespread
propaganda by Muslim extremists
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to declare the Ahmadis
a non-Muslim minority.
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[man] When I was a young schoolboy,
and my father told me,
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pointing to a shop,
not far from where we lived,
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that the reason they
are burning this shop,
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is because the proprietors
are Ahmadiyyas.
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That was my first experience
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of watching discrimination in action.
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Innocent people were killed,
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there were anti-Ahmadi riots
organized by the Jamaat-e-Islami.
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[man] When Ahmadi Muslims
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were being the victims of persecution,
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Salam had had to go into hiding.
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Salam never underlined this situation,
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he always maintained
he had come from Lahore...
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to Britain,
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primarily, because he had been
intellectually isolated.
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[Hafiza speaking in Urdu]
He wanted to stay in Pakistan
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and do something for the country.
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But he was compelled to take this step.
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He decided to move abroad
for the time being.
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[soft piano music]
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[man] How extremely honored we are here,
at Imperial College,
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to have as a professor, a citizen,
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of the great subcontinent
of India-Pakistan,
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which has already supplied
so many great scientists to the world.
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[applause]
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[Ahmad] When my father was finally
offered the professorship,
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he didn't have a proper suit to wear.
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So he went to Gieves & Hawkes,
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which is a tailor in Savile Row,
and it's still there today.
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When he was being measured
for the suit,
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he asked the tailor,
"When can I have the suit for?"
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And the tailor said,
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"It'd be about four weeks
for your first fitting, sir.
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Then about another
three or four weeks thereafter.
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So, assume eight weeks."
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He said,
"I need it next week.
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I am going to receive my professorship
at Imperial next week."
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And the tailor said,
"Oh, in that case,
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I will have it ready for you
for next week."
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And to that day he stayed
loyal to Gieves & Hawkes.
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Even a tailor, here,
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recognized the importance
of academic achievement.
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[man] I'd just got my first
lectureship at Imperial College.
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I was very junior.
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[laughing] Working with him
was quite an experience.
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And he used to work for 15 hours a day.
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I'm not exaggerating.
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He expected me to do the same.
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'Cause you have to sleep
during that time.
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Salam particularly, had a very
scatter-brained approach to research.
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And he used to come up with
some very bizarre ideas.
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As well as, of course,
some very good ones.
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And he could never tell
the difference between them.
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[man] When I was at Grammar School
in Manchester,
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Salam was...
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I won't say a household name,
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but he was well-known amongst
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those of us who were
interested in physics.
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Being a student of Salam
was something of a mixed blessing
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because he was brimming with ideas.
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Ninety percent of them were nonsense,
but the ten percent were...
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Nobel-Prize-winning ideas.
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I am a theoretical physicist,
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and we theoretical physicists are
engaged on the following problem:
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We would like to understand the
entire complexity of inanimate matter,
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in terms of as few
fundamental concepts as possible.
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The task which we are engaged on,
is to try to reduce this...
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seeming complexity to something
which is simple and elementary.
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To do this,
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what we shall most certainly need,
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a complete break from the past...
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and a sort of new and audacious idea,
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of the type which Einstein has had,
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in the beginning of this century.
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[Hoodbhoy] There is a quantity called
parity, which is unchanging.
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Briefly, what that means,
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is that if you were to look in the mirror
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you would see a universe that is
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indistinguishable from the universe
that we live in.
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Although, nobody
had ever questioned this...
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but Salam had this idea that...
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well, maybe there is a way
to test parity violation.
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So he wrote up this paper,
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and he was very proud of it,
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but he sent it to Pauli.
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[Salam] He replied back.
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He said,
"Give my regards to my friend Salam
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and tell him to
think of something better."
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[Hoodbhoy] For this work...
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Lee and Yang,
these were two Chinese physicists,
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published it first,
they got the Nobel Prize.
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[Salam] Whenever you have a good idea,
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don't send it for approval to a big man.
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He may have more power to keep it back.
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If it's a good idea, let it be published.
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[Hoodbhoy] If Salam had
published his paper,
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it is quite possible that...
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he would have received the Nobel Prize.
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[Duff]
And so, he used to say to us students,
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"Give you some good advice:
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Never listen to grand old men."
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Many years later,
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Wolfgang Pauli apologized.
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But then, that's after the fact.
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[Salam] If you're a particle physicist
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you would like to have just one
fundamental force and not four.
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That's the real unity, between the forces.
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If you're a Muslim particle physicist,
of course you'll believe in this
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very, very strongly,
because unity is an idea which is
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very attractive to you, culturally.
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I would never have started to work
on the subject if I was not a Muslim.
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[man] In those days,
there was only one mosque,
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Ahmadi mosque, The Fazl Mosque.
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[birds chirping]
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He was very regular
in offering his prayers.
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He would always be very early
and sit in the first row.
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I used to deliver the sermon
because I was the Imam.
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But while I would be giving my sermon,
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sometimes, he would take his
notebook out of his pocket,
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and write something,
a little, then put it back.
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He said, "While I'm sitting,
or whatever I'm doing...
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I sometimes receive flashes.
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My attention is diverted,
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to some scientific phenomenon,
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which later on when expanded,
becomes a great thing.
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So if I don't take the
note immediately, I forget."
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You know, I can't explain it
what those flashes would mean,
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and how it came to him,
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but one can say that it was God-given.
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[Duff] It was always very
difficult to fathom his genius and...
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try to figure out
where he was getting his ideas from.
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You have to have a nose for
what's a good idea and what isn't,
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and Salam was the master of...
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sensing where the next development
was going to come from.
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He very often would sort of
come along to our offices with a document...
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Just an introduction and
conclusions of a paper,
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and, "There you are," he'd say.
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We hadn't done the research for it.
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I used to say,
"How do you know it's true?"
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And he, uh, he might give some reasons
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but in the end, he'd just go...
[roaring softly]
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[Ali]
"Dr. Salam, so you are saying,
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that the only reason you developed
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these breakthroughs in physics
is because you were a Muslim?
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And if you had been
a Punjabi, non-Muslim,
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a Christian or whatever,
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you don't think you could
have developed them?"
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It would have been an
interesting debate with him...
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to you know, just sort of
explore his own contradictions.
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[news reporter] The 1600 scientists
from over 70 countries,
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gather in Geneva to discuss
the peaceful uses of atomic energy.
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And the conference president,
Professor Bhabha of India,
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and United Nations...
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[Salam] There were two conferences
held in '55 and '58
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of which I was scientific secretary.
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The '55 conference in particular, was a...
very crucial conference
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in the sense of declassifying and
demystifying nuclear energy.
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And it was so hush-hush.
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Pakistan was one of the spectators,
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like all the most of the nations were.
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The four or five nations
which had the nuclear data,
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they were the ones
which were putting it out.
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[gloomy cello music]
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[Ali] Salam had mingled with all the
top physicists of the world.
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He knew Oppenheimer.
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Salam's knowledge and his intelligence
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was pretty crucial
to setting up the whole...
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sort of peaceful nuclear energy program
in the country.
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[Salam] Well, I am a particle physicist
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which is the nearest branch
to nuclear physics.
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And clearly, I was the only...
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Pakistani scientist
who was in the public eye.
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Well, it was quite clear to us
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that we had to think
of nuclear power right away.
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[Ali] Salam effectively created the
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scientific infrastructure of the country,
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which barely existed before him.
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[Salam] Atomic energy was likely
to get monies.
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We were going to exploit that, and we did,
very successfully.
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The second achievement was,
to get a nuclear reactor.
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[news reporter speaking in Urdu]
Mr. Bhutto reached an agreement
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with France to buy a reprocessing plant.
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America put pressure on Pakistan
to end its peaceful atomic program.
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Pakistan agreed to furnish assurances
from foreign countries.
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[Hoodbhoy] Salam was not so naive
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as to think that a reprocessing plant,
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whose only purpose is to extract plutonium
for use in a bomb.
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If he had suggested this,
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and if he had actually, uh,
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helped people along on this path,
it is very clear that
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he was very much for Pakistan
making its own atomic bomb.
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India had an ongoing bomb project,
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beginning 1948.
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As a nationalist,
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probably without thinking
too deeply on this matter,
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engaged in this program.
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[Bhutto] My government policy,
is not to have a nuclear bomb.
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We want to make advances,
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in nuclear technology...
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for peaceful purposes,
and not for purposes of war.
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[Hoodbhoy]
Salam was present at the 1972 meeting
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which Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had held
in the city of Multan,
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where Bhutto had thrown
down the challenge,
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"How long will it take for you
to make the bomb?"
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[narrator] Present were
Professor Abdus Salam,
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later to win a Nobel Prize,
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Ishrat Usmani, head of the
Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission,
494
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,760
and Munir Khan, who was to succeed him.
495
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,720
So, he got all these boys together.
And they were senior people,
496
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,840
very senior people, and junior people,
497
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480
youngsters, and he said,
"Look, you know...
498
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,240
we're going to have a bomb."
499
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,840
Like, we're going to have a party.
500
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,880
"So, can you do it?"
501
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,080
And they said,
"We can do it, given the resources."
502
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,880
[Hoodbhoy] And then Salam was
putting together that...
503
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,280
theoretical physics group
that would look at
504
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,800
such things as implosions,
plasma shock waves.
505
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,000
He knew the essentials that were needed
506
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,920
for making of the bomb.
507
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,280
[interviewer] Were you surprised
at the Indian tests,
508
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,680
with the timing of that?
509
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,560
I was.
510
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,760
[intense music]
511
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,080
[news reporter]
Pakistan said today that
512
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560
India's atomic explosion last Saturday
513
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,080
has opened the way for nuclear tests by
other countries.
514
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Pakistan hinted it may now be forced to
explode its own nuclear device.
515
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,760
[crowd chanting in Arabic]
There is no God but Allah!
516
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,360
There is no God but Allah!
517
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,160
-He is the one!
-He is the one!
518
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,080
He has no partner...
519
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,200
[Bhutto speaking in Urdu]
I was born a Muslim.
520
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,400
I will die a Muslim.
521
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,480
I was born with the faith-proclamation,
522
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,480
I will die with the faith-proclamation.
523
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,040
But the decision has been made.
524
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,480
A Muslim is the one who believes
in the finality of Prophethood.
525
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,160
That is the final decision.
526
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,600
And whoever does not subscribe to it,
whoever does not believe in it,
527
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,640
whoever does not acknowledge it,
is not a Muslim.
528
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,320
[Hoodbhoy] Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
had secular pretensions,
529
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,920
but not just pretensions,
530
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,960
he actually was a man
with no deep level of faith.
531
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,880
[Ali] He banned alcohol,
532
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,840
he declared that from now on,
Friday would be the weekly holiday.
533
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,600
[in Urdu] See for yourself...
534
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Hosting the Islamic Summit Conference,
535
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,800
declaring Friday a weekly holiday,
expanding the Hajj policy,
536
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,280
implementing the Islamic Sharia...
537
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,760
And the third thing,
which he thought was his trump card,
538
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,320
was to declare the Ahmadiyyas
as a sect outside Islam.
539
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
[in Urdu] The Ahmadi issue,
during this tenure...
540
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:00,680
It's a 90-year-old issue.
541
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,280
And the final decision,
regarding this issue
542
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,680
has been taken
by the National Assembly.
543
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,120
An issue that was pending
for the last 90 years,
544
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,840
was resolved in this tenure.
545
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,120
[Salam] The day that you declared me
to be a non-Muslim,
546
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560
and since Pakistan was
created for Muslims,
547
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,600
you made me a second-class citizen.
548
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,960
[sad flute music]
549
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,880
[Ali] The Jamati theologians
550
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,360
were always hostile to the Ahmadiyyas,
551
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,000
not regarding them as part of Islam.
552
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Largely, because of the view
553
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,880
that the founder of the
Ahmadiyya sect was a prophet.
554
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,560
This was a controversial point
within Islam.
555
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,040
The awaited Messiah has come,
so we have accepted him.
556
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,760
They have not accepted him.
557
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,880
And because of that, they persecute us,
they class us as heretics.
558
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,199
It is only up to Allah to decide
who is a Muslim, and who is not.
559
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,600
[in Urdu] If they indeed are Pakistanis
and choose to live
560
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,880
in accordance with the
Constitution of Pakistan...
561
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,280
they may do so.
562
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,920
But they will not be allowed
to preach their faith.
563
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,679
They will not be allowed to
call their place of worship a "mosque."
564
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,120
They will not be allowed to
call themselves Muslims.
565
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,840
You might say that Hindus and Christians
live here as well.
566
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,120
However, they are honest with regards
to who they are.
567
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,679
Those people are not Muslims,
but they say that they are.
568
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,639
And the one who is not a Muslim,
569
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,080
can he stay here,
and call himself a Muslim?
570
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,040
-No!
-No!
571
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,200
Pakistan was made by the Sunnis.
572
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,520
And if God permits,
the Sunnis shall save it.
573
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,600
[crowd cheers]
574
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,440
[Rafiq] No parliament,
anywhere in the world,
575
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,080
has the power,
576
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,120
to either excommunicate you,
577
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,200
or to accept you, or...
578
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Whatever you say your religion is,
that is your religion.
579
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,520
[Aftab] It's the first country
of its type which has
580
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,880
legislated against its own citizens.
581
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,160
You have employment,
you have school segregation...
582
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480
All parts of their life are caught.
583
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,680
Now I cannot go there and say,
"Assalamu alaikum."
584
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,080
I say that, I get three years in prison.
585
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,360
[somber music]
586
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,240
[Hoodbhoy] Salam was absolutely outraged.
587
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,880
He was just shattered.
588
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,480
Immediately, he resigned his position
as advisor on scientific matters.
589
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,520
That's when the
radical transformation happened,
590
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,240
in his personality and in his faith.
591
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,160
Initially, I believed that
he was a cultural Muslim.
592
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,880
He now develops this affinity to his...
593
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,800
not just his old culture,
but also to his faith.
594
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,480
You could see that he was
asserting his Muslim identity.
595
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,480
He grew a beard.
596
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,760
[Hafiza speaking in Urdu]
Him not being able to do,
597
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,600
what he wanted to, for his country
598
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,520
had an adverse effect
on his being and health.
599
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,360
The people of Pakistan
didn't allow him to.
600
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,200
So...
601
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,960
It was a huge tragedy,
and it was the result
602
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,880
of political opportunism.
603
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,480
[news reporter 1]
This was the city of Karachi
604
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,280
during rioting nearly two years ago
605
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,000
that led to the military overthrow
606
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,840
of Pakistan's former prime minister
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
607
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,040
The generals who took over
from Bhutto,
608
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,160
like to call that event the first
Islamic Revolution in this region.
609
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Now Bhutto is on
death row of this prison,
610
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,520
pending a final appeal
on his conviction of
611
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,640
ordering the murder of a political rival
while he was in power.
612
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,480
[news reporter 2] I think the question on
everyone's minds is:
613
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Will Mr. Bhutto be hanged?
614
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,960
All I will stress on is,
that justice must be done.
615
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,560
[announcer] This is Radio Pakistan.
616
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,120
The news:
617
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Following conviction
by the Lahore High Court,
618
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was hanged to death
619
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,000
at two o'clock this morning,
in Rawalpindi District Jail.
620
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,400
[Hoodbhoy] General Zia-ul-Haq
completely turned the country around
621
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,320
from being a moderate,
liberal country
622
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,080
into one that became
a fanatically religious one.
623
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,960
[Zia-ul-Haq] We want Islamic laws.
624
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,800
We want to lead our life
according to Islamic tenets.
625
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,840
And it is the duty of the government,
626
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,280
that they must establish the Islamic law.
627
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,280
[news reporter] And he believes no one
can be above the law.
628
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Floggings and amputations for crimes
have all been reintroduced.
629
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,240
[marching band playing]
630
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,880
[journalist]
Some reports say that your country
631
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,160
can do an atomic bomb.
632
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,080
And it's true or not?
633
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Pakistan is not interested,
634
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,640
and is not capable,
of making a nuclear bomb.
635
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,240
[narrator] That's not what's happening
here at PINSTECH,
636
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,360
the Pakistan Institute of Technology,
637
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,960
where scientists are
determined to produce plutonium,
638
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,280
as the vital core of a nuclear weapon.
639
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,600
[ominous music]
640
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,960
[Hoodbhoy]
Between...
641
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,800
1974 when the Indians
tested their weapon,
642
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,080
and the few months later when
the Ahmadis were declared heretics,
643
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
he was actually quite active.
644
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,680
After 1974,
645
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,960
he started seeing things
in a wider perspective,
646
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,880
in a subcontinental,
647
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,320
and then in a global perspective.
648
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,760
He had better things to work on,
I mean, that physics is old hat.
649
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,600
He ultimately turned against the bomb
650
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,240
and thought, and wrote that,
the world should not have it.
651
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,560
[interviewer] Do you have any message
for the politicians?
652
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,840
Well, first of all they should get rid
of nuclear weapons, I think.
653
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,960
[crowd chanting in Arabic]
654
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,560
[Umar] He understood,
655
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,320
deeper than anyone, the perils...
656
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,960
of developing nuclear weapons.
657
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,560
And ultimately,
his departure from the government,
658
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,840
is strongly connected
with that conviction,
659
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,480
that the uses of science,
are and should always be peaceful.
660
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,080
That doesn't in any way,
diminish from his patriotism,
661
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480
his concern for Pakistan,
662
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,240
or his understanding of the realpolitik
of what was going on at that time.
663
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,640
[Ali] It makes sense...
664
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,480
to think that he was involved.
665
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Someone will know.
666
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,680
Whether we will ever get
convincing evidence...
667
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,240
Who knows?
668
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,680
I mean, if the Ahmadiyyas
had not been declared a...
669
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,960
heretical sect,
we might have found out by now.
670
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,440
Now it is in no one's interest
to say he was involved.
671
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,360
Either his side or the Government's side.
672
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,280
"We did it on our own, you know.
We didn't need him."
673
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,840
[Umar] We traveled to Pakistan...
674
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,520
for my first visit in 1983.
675
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,520
And this was really the...
676
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:18,120
lowest point of the political situation
concerning the Ahmadis.
677
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,880
And we traveled there in December...
678
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,280
for the Jalsa, in Rabwah.
679
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400
[indistinct conversations]
680
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,280
[Umar] It was the last Jalsa
to be held in Pakistan.
681
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,880
And I remember it vividly.
682
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
We were given seats near the front
so I was listening,
683
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,040
my father was listening,
684
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600
and I didn't know what was being said,
685
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,800
but I could see my father's reaction.
686
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,360
And my father sat there,
687
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,680
in floods of tears,
really, floods of tears,
688
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,880
and I was shocked.
689
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,840
And later of course, I learned that
690
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,080
what was being discussed,
was the deaths by persecution,
691
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,960
acts of violence committed
against the community,
692
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,640
and fears for the future.
693
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,800
[Zia-ul-Haq speaking in Urdu]
Another important step has been taken
694
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,720
with regards to the Islamic System.
695
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,400
Which is the implementation
of the Anti-Qadiani Ordinance.
696
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,400
[all thumping desks]
697
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,280
Although the Ahmadis were
declared a non-Muslim minority,
698
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,080
no law had been passed
to enforce this decision.
699
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,640
I am pleased that
on the issue of finality of Prophethood,
700
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,360
our government was able to render
this humble service.
701
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,880
[ambulance siren wailing]
702
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,920
[gunfire]
703
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,160
[woman speaking in Urdu]
There are at least 2000 people in there.
704
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,320
I cannot find my son.
I am extremely worried.
705
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,920
I was at the gate when the firing began.
Two of my companions were killed.
706
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,120
[Hoodbhoy]
My next-door neighbor, Dr. Naseem Babar,
707
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,840
who happened to be earlier on my student,
708
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880
and then later my colleague...
709
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:26,120
was shot and killed in cold blood,
by masked gunmen,
710
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,680
and there was no motive other than,
that he belonged to the Ahmadi community.
711
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,840
Had I not taken him to the hospital...
712
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,840
Well, he would have just
died over there instead of...
713
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,960
in my car.
714
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,400
[news reporter speaking Urdu indistinctly]
715
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,000
[Hoodbhoy] I'm so sad to say that...
716
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,880
my university's community...
717
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,240
Most of them didn't even turn up
for the funeral prayers.
718
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,920
I cannot understand this inhumanity
that has visited our country.
719
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,440
The Soviets for the very first time
today admitted intervening in Afghanistan,
720
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,680
saying they did so because
Afghanistan was threatened by quote,
721
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,440
"American financed counter
revolutionary gangs."
722
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,240
[Ali] So Bhutto is hanged,
723
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,080
about six to seven months before
the Russians enter Afghanistan.
724
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,400
Which transforms Zia's
standing in the world.
725
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,840
He becomes a very crucial player
for the United States,
726
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,000
and he says he's a soldier of Islam,
727
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,800
and this war can only be fought
728
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,440
by hardcore religious elements.
729
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,520
That land over there, is yours,
730
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,320
and you'll go back to it one day,
because your fight will prevail.
731
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,720
And you'll have your homes,
and your mosques back again.
732
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,920
[applause]
733
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,400
[woman] Let's remember here...
734
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,480
the people we are fighting today,
we funded 20 years ago.
735
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,720
Let's go recruit these
mujahideen and... That's great.
736
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Let's get some to come from
Saudi Arabia and other places,
737
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,320
importing their Wahhabi brand of Islam
738
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,880
so that we can go beat the Soviet Union.
739
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,840
And guess what? They retreated.
740
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,160
So we then left Pakistan.
741
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,600
Let's be careful what we sow,
because we will harvest.
742
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,680
[Ali] And that is till now
haunting the country.
743
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,480
[news reporter 1] They had come to
church to pray, on a day of rest.
744
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,760
They became victims of one
of the deadliest attacks ever
745
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,400
on the Christian community in Pakistan.
746
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,320
Police and hospital officials say
747
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,200
most of the dead and injured are
women and children.
748
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,880
[news reporter 2]
The assailants boarded the bus
749
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,680
and executed the victims.
750
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,520
This is a brutal attack,
751
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,080
a mass shooting,
against a group of Ismaili Muslims.
752
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,440
[news reporter 3]
The Sunni extremist group
753
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,960
which is linked to the Pakistani Taliban,
754
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,320
admitted that it had
targeted the country's tiny,
755
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Hazara Shia minority.
756
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,720
I spoke to a Muslim man, who told me,
757
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,640
in fact, he feels
like a minority in Pakistan,
758
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,560
because if you're not
the right sect of Islam,
759
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,480
you could be targeted too.
760
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,840
What they did to the Ahmadiyyas
was a fatal scratch,
761
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,280
which is now turning to gangrene,
762
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,280
and infecting the whole of
Pakistani society.
763
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,800
And many people
still don't understand that.
764
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,720
[Salam] We, the present generation
seem to have inherited...
765
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,880
a house, which has no windows.
766
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:27,840
And its walls are very high.
767
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,520
And it's very difficult to know,
768
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,600
whether we have inherited a house,
or a prison.
769
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,440
[Quran playing on record player]
770
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,640
[Ahmad] This is my father's room,
771
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,360
pretty much as he left it.
772
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,840
[Quran continues playing]
773
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Great memory I have of this room.
774
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,520
So you have, the incense sticks,
they were always lit in here
775
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,400
so it's a very warm room,
very heavily scented.
776
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,120
He rarely worked on the table,
777
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,720
but typically he'd be sitting,
778
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,080
with his legs up underneath him
like this, with his books.
779
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,480
He'd have a cup of tea here,
780
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,160
and while he'd be writing away,
working away,
781
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:41,360
the Quran would be playing
in the background.
782
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,320
The lighting would be low,
783
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,480
and he'd have nothing to interrupt him.
784
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,000
No external interruption of
any sort, other than...
785
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,440
the inspiration he got from
the Holy Quran itself,
786
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,560
playing in the background.
787
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,800
[Quran playing]
788
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,640
And whenever he was in the house
he would always be wearing,
789
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,240
his favorite army surplus hat.
790
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,280
So this is one of the ones we have here,
791
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,320
which is a green one,
792
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,400
but he had a blue one
and a black one as well.
793
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,000
And wherever he went,
in all the pictures you see of him,
794
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,520
his head is virtually always covered.
795
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,040
Even in the middle of summer
in Pakistan when it was
796
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,680
a 100 degrees Fahrenheit plus,
797
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,040
he'd still have his head covered.
798
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,680
His favorite collection of books
was P.G. Wodehouse,
799
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,600
and we've got them somewhere over here,
800
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,880
like this one, for example.
801
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,680
So his favorite comedy,
Something Fishy by P.G. Wodehouse.
802
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,000
Literature was his real passion.
803
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,320
People said he had the mind of
a scientist but the heart of a poet.
804
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,400
He would always want to listen to
Radio Pakistan every night,
805
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,760
and pick up on the news
directly from Pakistan.
806
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,080
It is one of the few radios
that could genuinely
807
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,680
pick up a good signal from Pakistan
808
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,080
once you put the aerial up
and extended it.
809
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,640
[announcer speaking in Urdu]
Assalamu alaikum.
810
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,600
Pakistan Broadcasting Service.
811
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,840
We are broadcasting from Lahore.
812
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,200
[Ahmad] Just here we have
some of his musings
813
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,960
that he's written over the years.
814
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,400
"Treat people as if they were flowers,
and you will have a happy life."
815
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,960
"In the present,
there can be no reason for fatigue."
816
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,120
"Organizational ability
is an asset in life.
817
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,560
For great enterprise, it is a necessity."
818
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,320
And I remember, again,
sometimes coming to the room and hearing
819
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,960
Strauss being played
or Gilbert and Sullivan.
820
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,400
But his music collection, he was...
821
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,080
He was never close-minded to anything,
822
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,520
so here is something he must have
picked up from China.
823
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,720
So, he could be
824
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,840
very traditional, very Victorian
as a father, in many ways.
825
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,080
Children should be seen but not heard,
826
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,000
speak when they're spoken to, not before.
827
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,400
But equally he had this amazing vision,
828
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,960
this amazing ability to think forward.
829
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,040
He's not somebody you can pin down.
830
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:10,160
He was an incredibly complex character.
831
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,920
[poignant music]
832
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,160
[Ahmad] When he took the medal
to his teacher in India,
833
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,600
they'd managed to find him.
834
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,680
'Cause he was a very old teacher by then.
835
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,440
And he was lying flat on his back,
he couldn't get out of bed.
836
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,400
And there's a picture
of my father standing next to him
837
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,480
and putting the Nobel medal
into his hands.
838
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,640
And he told him,
"This is your prize, sir. It's not mine."
839
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,720
[Weinberg] He was very idealistic.
840
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,760
He donated his Nobel Prize.
841
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,760
I didn't give away
my Nobel Prize money. [laughs]
842
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,040
I put it in the bank.
843
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,800
[Hoodbhoy] General Zia-ul-Haq,
who was a committed Islamist
844
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,120
and who had set Pakistan on
the road to Islamization
845
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,360
saw a certain advantage in decorating...
846
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,880
Professor Salam with
the highest civilian award.
847
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,280
It gave him a liberal image in the West.
848
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:18,240
And, of course, Zia-ul-Haq was the man
who had hanged Bhutto.
849
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,920
[Ali] So Zia doing it was,
you know, opportunism.
850
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,680
But, he could have,
as a military dictator said,
851
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,600
that this was an unjust
amendment to the constitution.
852
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,920
But he was in alliance
with the Jamaat-e-Islami.
853
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,920
The Government of Pakistan was
always scared,
854
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:43,720
not to take an action
855
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,520
which would show some kind of
inclination towards Salam.
856
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,600
[Hoodbhoy] There was an issue
of the right wing book.
857
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,640
And inside is...
858
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,280
Salam at that time was discussing...
859
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,520
uh, nuclear secrets,
with a Hindu, and with an Israeli...
860
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,880
That-- That that kind of
just absolute nonsense.
861
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,680
[in Urdu]
The Nobel Prize...
862
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,200
that Dr. Abdus Salam Qadiani received...
863
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,200
is neither an extraordinary occurrence...
864
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,600
nor a miraculous feat,
865
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:24,120
in the history of mankind.
866
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,200
[Hoodbhoy] There are Nobel Prizes and
there are Nobel Prizes.
867
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,640
But those that shape a paradigm,
868
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,360
that create a paradigm...
869
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,800
Well, the standard model
of particle physics,
870
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,200
which owes to Salam, Weinberg and Glashow;
871
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,120
that has shaped elementary
particle physics,
872
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,640
our basic understanding of nature.
873
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,040
So far, in spite of...
874
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,640
I'd say thousands of experiments
that have been carried out to test it,
875
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,440
not one of them has been
found in contradiction.
876
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Now, we were at Quaid-i-Azam University.
877
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,720
The Physics Department,
the only department in Pakistan
878
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,800
that could have possibly understood what
he had achieved in the world of physics.
879
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,800
And so many of his students
were at this university.
880
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,400
[speaking Urdu]
881
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,120
[Hoodbhoy] "We must,
must have him on campus."
882
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,560
The Jamaat-e-Islami,
883
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,560
the radical right-wing Islamist group
on campus,
884
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,720
wouldn't even tolerate the thought
of his setting foot on campus.
885
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:39,840
The Jamaat said,
"If he comes, we shall break his legs."
886
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,280
[in Urdu]
If any Muslim TV anchor believes,
887
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,640
that Dr. Abdus Salam be made
a symbol of pride for Pakistan,
888
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,440
worthy of respect,
889
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,040
or deem him to be a hero of Pakistan;
890
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,080
they should seek psychiatric help.
891
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,240
[Ahmad] Pakistan never stopped
communicating with him.
892
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,120
They just didn't want him
to come to Pakistan.
893
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,000
They would travel to see him.
894
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,320
Not out of respect,
895
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,840
but, "We don't want to be
seen with you in Pakistan."
896
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,600
To hell with the politicians,
897
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,960
to hell with the games
they wanted to play.
898
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,920
It was the people who he was there for
899
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,400
and they never turned their back on him,
900
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,440
and he never turned his back on them.
901
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,200
[Hoodbhoy] Salam is nowhere to be found
in children's books.
902
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,360
There is no building
that is named after him.
903
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,760
There is no institution
except for a small one in Lahore.
904
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,080
Only a few have heard of his name.
905
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,800
[girl] All I know about
Dr. Abdus Salam is that
906
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,920
he is the guy who won the
Nobel Peace Prize laureate for Pakistan.
907
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,160
Uh, Nobel Prize for Pakistan,
Nobel Prize...
908
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:56,320
And he was this cute white guy,
white-bearded guy.
909
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,680
[interviewer speaking in Urdu]
Do you know
910
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,240
what he won the Nobel Prize for?
911
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,920
Nobel Prize...
912
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,840
Sorry, no idea.
913
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,200
[in Urdu] He used to...
914
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,800
study in this university
and teach here as well.
915
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,080
He was working here when he
received the Nobel Prize.
916
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,200
I do not know, I'm gonna be honest,
917
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,240
I don't know what he got
the Nobel Prize for.
918
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,560
But it was in physics,
919
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,800
and that he is an inspiration to all
of us studying at GCU at the moment.
920
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,800
[Hoodbhoy] It's such a sad accident
of history that...
921
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,840
Salam should have belonged to a section
922
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:35,040
which then was declared
as heretical and...
923
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,840
And then his professional achievements
were then swept into the dustbin.
924
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,200
[Salam] There is a verse of
the Quran which says...
925
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,040
[quoting in Arabic]
926
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:09,920
"We have created everything
living out of water."
927
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,080
There are words about
how heaven and earth were united together,
928
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,120
and we split them apart.
929
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,040
A man who believes in the big bang
will perhaps read the Big Bang.
930
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,480
[laughing] I do not.
931
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,560
I do not believe that the big bang
932
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,920
may last forever,
by our scientific thinking.
933
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,360
It would be absolutely stupid to try
to connect the science of today,
934
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,480
to what is essentially...
935
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,040
allegorical, religious,
spiritual experience,
936
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,520
which I think is a totally
different dimension.
937
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,640
[Weinberg] He saw a problem between
science and Islam...
938
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,320
and I remember
he once said to me that, uh,
939
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,080
he tried to get the oil-rich
countries of the Persian Gulf
940
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,320
uh, to put money into the universities.
941
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,360
They felt that...
scientific research is corrosive of faith,
942
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,720
and I think in a sense they were right.
943
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,920
I think scientific discoveries
944
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,280
historically have tended to...
945
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,280
weaken religious faith.
946
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,800
Uh, from my point of view,
that's a good thing.
947
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,360
Salam would've felt that
948
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,160
there was no conflict
between Islam and science,
949
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,840
just as in the golden age,
950
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,080
when the greatest science in the world
was done in Baghdad.
951
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,800
There couldn't again be a revival of
basic science in the Islamic world.
952
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,480
[Ali] And in his Nobel Prize speech
953
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,600
he quoted a line from the Quran,
954
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,120
which he said encouraged science,
955
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,480
which, very few people who denigrate him,
956
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,840
would even know that this line existed.
957
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,840
[in Urdu] It's been 100 years since
the formation of Punjab University.
958
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,600
And in these 100 years,
959
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,560
the Mathematics Department
of Punjab University,
960
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,160
which I was the head of,
961
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,680
has not produced even a single PhD.
962
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,080
[Glashow] I mean, it would be nice
to see his dream of
963
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,280
Muslims taking over their proper role
in intellectual matters.
964
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,440
Their scientists are
few and far between.
965
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,560
[joyful music]
966
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,200
[Salam] When I was teaching in Pakistan,
it became quite clear to me...
967
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,600
that either I must leave my country,
or leave physics.
968
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,680
And since then I resolved
that if I could help it,
969
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,320
I would try to make it possible
for others in my situation
970
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,800
that they are able to work
in their own countries
971
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,560
while still have access
to the newest ideas.
972
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,040
I remember when I was proposing
973
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,960
the creation of the centre at Trieste,
974
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,760
which is meant for
developing countries,
975
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,680
I believe one of the
illustrious delegates
976
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,040
from one of the rich countries, he said,
977
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,240
"Professor Salam, physics is the
Rolls-Royce of sciences.
978
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,760
What your country needs
is a bullock cart."
979
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,240
[all laughing, speaking indistinctly]
980
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,120
As long as we have bullock carts,
we will get nowhere in the world.
981
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,840
Developing countries need science
as much or more
982
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,760
than those in the western countries.
983
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,440
The centre was created in 1964...
984
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,880
-[interviewer] Mm-hmm.
-...against the opposition
985
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,200
of USA, USSR, UK, France, Germany...
986
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,760
All the rich countries of
the world were against it,
987
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,160
because they didn't understand
what I was talking about.
988
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,760
In the end, the money was voted
by the board of governors.
989
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,520
And the board of governors was again,
990
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,560
packed with the same
set of rich countries.
991
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,880
-So we got $55,000 net for a year...
-[interviewer scoffs]
992
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,040
...from the agency, atomic agency.
993
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,760
So we had to go around,
and ask for money, and...
994
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,560
So the Italian government
produced $350,000, plus 55,
995
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,320
and that with $400,000, we started.
996
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,920
[man] People sometimes don't realize,
997
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,920
but he started it when
he was relatively young.
998
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,400
Thirty-something, probably.
999
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,920
So he was thinking about
the whole world in the 1960s
1000
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,080
when the world was very split
because of the Cold War.
1001
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,480
Now everybody says,
"Global and global..."
1002
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,720
But at that time, saying global
in the 60s, was a big vision.
1003
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,240
[soft piano music]
1004
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,760
[Salam] What Trieste is
trying to provide is...
1005
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,160
the possibility,
1006
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,360
that the man can still
remain in his own country,
1007
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,560
work there the bulk of the year,
1008
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,400
come to Trieste for three months,
1009
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,200
attend one of the workshops
or one of the research sessions,
1010
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,440
meet the people in his subject.
1011
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,240
He has to go back
charged with a mission,
1012
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,520
to try to change the image
1013
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,040
of science and technology
in his own country.
1014
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,440
[Umar] I'm sure of it,
1015
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,800
he would have always considered ICTP
his greatest achievement.
1016
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,880
And the opposition
that he had to overcome
1017
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,720
in setting that up,
and then keeping it going,
1018
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,160
and providing the energy...
1019
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,600
I mean, that's more of a
full-time job in itself.
1020
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,360
[Weinberg] Salam sacrificed a lot of
1021
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,360
possible scientific productivity by taking
on that responsibility.
1022
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,160
It's a sacrifice I would not make.
1023
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,520
[Isham] When I was around anyway,
1024
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:54,360
the place was not held in high regard.
1025
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,200
People said lots of
negative things about it.
1026
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,520
I honestly do believe that was partly
because of racism, I'm afraid.
1027
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,600
And Salam knew this, of course.
1028
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,200
And he was always very anxious to
1029
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,400
develop the reputation of ICTP.
1030
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,960
It wasn't just a place for, you know,
useless people from wherever, to work.
1031
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,880
It was a genuine scientific institute.
1032
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,240
So, yes, he was proud of the place
and rightfully so.
1033
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,640
[woman] He was always very early
in the office,
1034
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,800
and he stayed in the office till--
till late in the evening.
1035
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,880
If he buzzed once,
it meant you had to pick up the phone,
1036
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,960
and that could be, maybe,
1037
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,200
"Can you go and get me a black coffee?"
1038
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,280
If he buzzed twice,
it meant you had to go inside,
1039
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,480
and if you went inside,
1040
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,160
you had to go inside
with your shorthand notebook,
1041
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,400
and at least 20 pencils, because...
[laughs]
1042
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,320
...you didn't know
if you would go in for one minute,
1043
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,720
or you would go in for five hours.
1044
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,800
[Gatti] He was very charismatic,
1045
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,600
he was very humane,
he was also very difficult.
1046
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,200
He lost his patience if he wasn't
able to get his message across.
1047
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,760
He shouted, shouted...
Sometimes he made you really miserable.
1048
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,000
[woman] Yes, he wasn't an
easy person to live with.
1049
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,680
He was impatient and, uh...
1050
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,960
Uh, perhaps, that was the only
way he could, he could work,
1051
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,200
that he would do his best work
at three o'clock in the morning.
1052
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,320
And the little niceties of social life
1053
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,360
were not something that
he would participate in.
1054
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,720
[in Urdu]
He always used to say that,
1055
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,120
"My work will always take precedence."
1056
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,480
And I too thought it was only fair.
1057
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:44,760
So I tried my best to take on and fulfill
all the household responsibilities.
1058
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,480
An "ordinary family life"
was not something we had.
1059
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,720
I still have this at home.
1060
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,720
It was a mug which he'd picked up
in the Heathrow Airport.
1061
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,160
A plastic mug...
1062
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,080
And with a little note saying,
"Would you like to have this?"
1063
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,840
And that was his way of saying
1064
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,040
that he was sorry
for having shouted at you.
1065
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,800
He didn't actually say
to you "I'm sorry."
1066
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,880
If he didn't have time for a person,
he could be dismissive.
1067
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,440
[Isham]
One of the negative things about him
1068
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,000
is that he did use people.
1069
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,320
I don't mean it in a really bad sense but,
1070
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,640
he didn't have respect for everybody.
1071
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,000
Um, the people he didn't respect,
he used to use.
1072
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,080
He could pretend to be sometimes,
but he wasn't really pompous.
1073
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,600
He was a sensitive man, actually.
1074
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,520
He was a religious man.
Genuinely so.
1075
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,720
It makes a big difference.
1076
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,640
I sacrificed my family life when
my children were small,
1077
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,640
because I-- I wasn't spending weekends
1078
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,440
or even very much time
in the evenings with them.
1079
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,920
But I know--
I know that he respected it.
1080
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,600
He had two families.
1081
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,520
In the latter years, his second wife
came with the two younger children.
1082
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,320
Every now and then, his first wife came.
1083
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,920
[Umar] He was based in ICTP,
1084
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,280
so he would fly back,
we would drive to Heathrow,
1085
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,240
collect him, spend the weekend with him,
1086
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,960
he would go into Imperial,
sort out his mail, talk to people.
1087
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,000
Every minute of every day
was accounted for.
1088
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,440
And we never knew quite
what we were going to get.
1089
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,640
I spent most of my holidays in Trieste,
1090
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,560
so we would go and visit him.
1091
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,160
And... yeah, we did lots of things
together then.
1092
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,280
Yeah, we took what we could.
[laughs]
1093
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:39,720
[birdsong]
1094
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,240
[Gatti] He lived,
for the major part of his time,
1095
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,280
by himself, without his family.
1096
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,520
So, I-- I think...
I think he definitely would've
1097
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,120
and did experience periods of loneliness.
1098
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,240
[Ahmad] He was never around,
while I was growing up.
1099
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,960
Because I gave up part of my life,
1100
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,880
when I gave up my father,
for the sake of ICTP.
1101
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,320
[soft flute music]
1102
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,560
[Gatti] He wanted to be a candidate
for the position of...
1103
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,080
Director General in UNESCO.
1104
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:17,640
And unfortunately,
1105
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,560
the Pakistan government
didn't back his candidature.
1106
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,320
They put up another candidate
1107
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,240
which really blocked his chances.
1108
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,360
That was a real rejection
by his own country.
1109
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,000
He was extremely
disappointed at Pakistan.
1110
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,160
That was really when his
illness really started, I think.
1111
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,520
It first started with his thumb.
1112
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,160
He was finding difficulty
in writing and holding pens.
1113
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,920
He went to the United States
several times.
1114
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,840
He went to doctors in the United Kingdom.
1115
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,680
They first diagnosed it as Parkinson's.
1116
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,040
[Johnson] His disease was one of those
neurodegenerative diseases.
1117
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,280
We realized that some of his symptoms
were not those of Parkinson's,
1118
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,400
and that the medication for Parkinson's
was not being effective.
1119
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,200
And finally a specialist
diagnosed him as having this...
1120
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:23,160
rarer disease of
progressive supranuclear palsy, PSP.
1121
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,600
There's no known cause for the disease...
1122
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,000
and there's no known cure.
1123
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,720
[Gatti] His handwriting actually
became completely illegible.
1124
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,840
I literally had to
translate his handwriting.
1125
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,520
Well, actually I'd forge his signature,
it was quite...
1126
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,920
a regular occurrence. [laughs]
1127
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,040
I even forged his signature
on some certificates.
1128
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,560
I could still do it to this day,
if I have to.
1129
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,960
And because he had
a lot of difficulty walking,
1130
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,080
we placed these mats, made of carpet,
1131
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,720
and they were placed at equal distances,
1132
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,200
so that he could focus and
maintain his balance.
1133
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,040
Otherwise he had a tendency to fall down.
1134
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,720
But since the mats were
glued to the marble
1135
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,120
we couldn't...
get rid of the stains.
1136
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,640
So you can still actually see...
1137
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,840
the imprints,
where all the marks were.
1138
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,880
These mats went right down
to the end of this corridor.
1139
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,000
It's almost like people are still
walking in Professor Salam's footsteps
1140
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,840
when they walk along this corridor.
1141
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,680
[somber cello music]
1142
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,160
[Gatti] He suffered many falls,
many falls in public.
1143
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,760
These falls couldn't be predicted,
1144
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,200
you know, they could come at any time.
1145
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,960
He would just literally
collapse on the floor.
1146
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,160
Sometimes we had to go and help him.
1147
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:54,000
I imagine that it was probably
quite humiliating also for him.
1148
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,560
It was a kind of celebration
for his 65th birthday,
1149
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,640
and I remember he cried,
he cried through most of that.
1150
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,000
When I went to see him in Oxford,
he cried the whole time.
1151
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,000
[Weinberg]
I visited him a few times toward the end,
1152
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,680
not because...
of any scientific reason
1153
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,319
but simply because I thought
1154
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,840
it would be one of the
last times I could see him.
1155
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,920
But it was...
1156
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,560
you know, very depressing to,
1157
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,120
um, see someone you had known as...
1158
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:37,760
a very bright, charming person,
so debilitated by disease.
1159
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:39,680
[clicks tongue] Um...
1160
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,040
[indistinct conversations]
1161
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,320
[Umar] In the worst years,
he was largely cared for
1162
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,240
in Oxford, at my mother's house.
1163
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,840
[Umar] Mother dealt
with my father's illness,
1164
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,600
with incredible stoicism.
1165
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,480
And then cared for him in the
most difficult situation.
1166
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,400
[Johnson] He belonged to Pakistan.
1167
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,440
He always wanted to be buried here.
1168
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,680
This was so important for him.
1169
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,160
And I like to think of the young people
who were lining the street.
1170
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,200
And like to think that
they will remember,
1171
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:36,840
"Yes, I was there.
1172
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,880
I was there when they welcomed
Abdus Salam home." [sobbing]
1173
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,720
[melancholic music]
1174
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,440
[music crescendos]
1175
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,600
[in Urdu] I've been working
here for about 13 to 14 years.
1176
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,320
My job is to keep the graves clean.
1177
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:35,600
I also restore the graves
that get damaged because of the rains.
1178
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:41,600
His is a famous name:
Dr. Abdus Salam, Nobel Prize winner.
93071
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