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[Janet screams]

[screaming] You’re hurting me.

You’re hurting me.
You’re hurting me. [crying]

[Janet grunting]

[Janet groaning]

[overlapping tape
recorder chatter]

[Janet screams]

- [sobbing] I can’t tell you.
- [Peggy] What’s the matter?

[Grosse] This time,
Janet was thrown
right out of the room,

onto the stairs.

I saw you banging
on the floor, Janet.

[Janet] I didn’t bang.

[Grosse] I saw you bang.

Janet. Can you hear me, Janet?

- [Janet breathing heavily]
- [Grosse]
Janet, can you hear me?

[Nottingham]
One time when we s--

[Grosse] Why didn’t you spit
the water out until I told you?

No, I don’t want you
to do anything until I tell you.

[Grosse] Janet. Janet. Janet.

Janet. Can you hear me? Janet?
Can you hear me, Janet?

[Grosse]
All right, Janet. Well done.
All right, now, Janet.

There’s a good girl.

There’s a good girl. All right.

[Janet] I blamed myself a lot.

The fact that I went
into care alone and Margaret
and Bill were still there.

It was my fault
because I was the epicenter.

Why me?

Why did it happen to me,
our family? Why?

I’ve never actually done
that many interviews
or documentaries.

And I was always very dubious
about doing any of them

’cause it does bring it
all back again,

and there’s all the emotions
that I’ve tried to escape
all my life.

- [Margaret] Oh.
- Yeah, I remember that one.

- The look of terror
on Mum’s face.
- Yeah, I remember.

- [Janet] That one.
- [Margaret] Yeah.

[Janet] When I was
pulled out of bed.

[Margaret]
And that distressed me
to see you like that.

That distressed me terrible.

Yeah, I remember being--
being turned off the settee.

Tipped upside down.

- It-It just turned over. And--
- [Margaret] Yeah.

And she’d run off it,
and then it’d be over on the--

tip up on the floor.

Does feel strange though.
Like going back in time.

Really does.
All those years ago.

Looking back now,

something could come
into our lives, into our house.

Could it have been something
that drew energy from me?

[Grosse] June, 1978.

Janet has now spent six weeks

in a home run by nuns.

We are redoubling our efforts
to help her,

but none of the doctors, psychiatrists,

or psychologists who have
witnessed her altered states

can agree on their diagnosis.

The psychiatrist consulted
by the local doctor

suggested we simply go away
and leave the family alone.

[Carr] Maurice was a very
compassionate man.

And there’s no doubt
that he cared about the family.

That’s important because,
as a psychical researcher,

you probably want the phenomena
to go on as long as possible.

You know, this
doesn’t often happen,
so you’re quite keen to--

to sort of get
evidence for this.
On the other hand,

as a human being,
you’re dealing--
you-you realize you’re dealing

with people who are going
through a very traumatic state.

And-- And so,
from that point of view,
you want the phenomena to stop.

[Janet] I was having
these bad nightmares.

Nights used to be so long.

When I look back now,
I don’t know how I stayed sane.

I just wanted to run away.

[Paul] I do remember being
concerned about Janet.

[stammers] Just mentally
and physically, emotionally.

To be screaming, hysterical,

to have that amount of tension,
she needed help.

[Grosse] July the 26th, 1978.

We have finally
got Janet admitted
to the Maudsley Hospital

under the care
of Dr. Peter Fenwick,

head of the
neurological department.

[Fenwick]
Guy Playfair said to me,

"We’ve got this
fascinating phenomena
going on at Enfield.

A poltergeist.

The girl, Janet,
goes into strange,
contorted positions.

And do you think
that she has epilepsy?"

And so, I originally thought,

"Well, poltergeists
and epilepsy?

Doubt it.

But it’s certainly worth
looking at Janet."

[Janet]
I thought I was going home.

So, I was very surprised
to be going to stay
in a hospital.

[Fenwick]
Remember, it’s 47 years ago,

but I do have Janet’s permission
to talk about her,

uh, on-- on camera.

I’m a neuropsychiatrist,
which means "neuro"
understand the brain--

- "psychiatrist"--
understand behavior.
- If you looking at this...

People who had disorders
of behavior used
to be referred to me.

I was also interested
in consciousness.

And so, my interests were wider

than just simple
reductionist science.

What I was wanting to know is

whether you could
separate poltergeist effects,

epilepsy,
and behavioral changes
in the person.

[Janet breathes deeply]

We ran a whole lot of tests
on her to see, particularly,

if there was an organic basis
for her behavior.

[Janet] They wanted to see
what was going on in me brain.

When you’re that young,
you know, you think,

"Psychiatry, what does
that really mean?" You know?

People think, "Oh. It’s madness.

They’ve gone into there
because they’re mad."

But there’s different reasons.

Is it something in the body?
Or is it in the brain?

Or is it something
that’s happened from the past?

[Fenwick]
All of the physical tests
we did were normal.

And so we then wondered
about the behavioral component.

What I did know
about poltergeists

at this time was
that they tended to occur,

usually, where there was
a very high tension
in the family.

[Janet]
I haven’t really listened to
the tapes up until now.

But it’s like I’m meant
to go back ’cause it’s
gonna teach me something.

[interviewer] Why do you
think it’s chosen you?

Why do you think it’s
happening to you?

Uh, well,
I can’t directly answer that,

[Janet] Looking back now,

there was a lot of stress
and tension in the family.

The upset of Johnny
going away to school.

Mum and Dad had divorced.

[Margaret]
I remember before I was ten,

my parents would
regularly have rows.

And one day,
I don’t know what my mum done--

She went to open the front door,
and he shut her arm in it.

I remember this very well.

And I remember things
getting a bit overheated,

and they were arguing
and shouting at each other.

And I remember,
my father sat me down,

and he said to me, um,
"I won’t be living
here anymore, you know.

We’re getting divorced,
Mum and I."

Our lives changed then.

And then I don’t remember
much more childhood.

[Janet] It did really affect me.

I mean, my dad he--
he was hotheaded.

[stammers] He had no patience.

But then I cried when he left.

It was like there
was an absence.

Something was missing.

Did hit me hard, actually.
It did. Yeah.

[child Janet]
That’s what I’m saying, right?

You go in
the small bed, Margaret.

[child Margaret]
Trust you to say that.

[Grosse] There is a great deal
of emotional stress

- in the family.
- ...come back from...

[Peggy] ...the shops
this afternoon.

But how is stress capable

of physically
affecting its surroundings?

How does all that fit
into the picture?

[Roz] The chair,
which was standing
by Janet’s bed.

[Janet] Mum, he’s tricking me.

[Peggy screams]
Christ! It’s the ghost!

And there was a chest of drawers
moving towards the door.

[child Janet] Bash the window!

[Grosse] What’s happened?

[Peggy] Now the chair gone over.

[Grosse] It just tipped over
the settee in front of us.

[Janet] I’ve never used to like
going upstairs on me own.

It was like there
was something there.

It was a feeling
like it was behind me.

[Grosse, through recorder]
Now, tell me,
what are you doing here,

and why are you here?

[Bill, through recorder]
Shall I tell you
really who I am?

[Bill, through recorder] Really?

[Janet] Some people have
to see it to believe it.

But once you’ve experienced it,
you know that it’s real.

27th, 1978,
in the Maudsley Hospital.

Well, Janet, um, come over here

and stick your mouth
near the microphone

- so we can hear you.
- Yeah.

That’s all right.

You’re saying
when you’re on your own,

you’re not-- you’re not, um--

[Playfair] Really? Mmm.

Does it?

I mean-- [stammers]

- You’d like to sleep
on your own from now on?
- Yeah.

- What, on your own,
without anybody?
- Yeah.

[whooshes, chuckles]

I’ve got a radio.

- Mmm. What, on your own,
without anybody?
- Yeah.

[Janet] Strange, sort of,
listening to me at that age.

I seem quite determined.
I think, "Wow.

[stammers] Really? Was this me?"

Think you’ll forget all
about your dad soon?

You know, when you grow up and--

You’ll have lots
of boyfriends before long.

You won’t remember him.
[chuckles]

But-- But we gotta stop
this damn thing, you know, now.

- It’s not doing you any good.
- I know. That’s what Mum said.

[Playfair] You know,
you’re gonna be quite
famous one day.

[Fenwick] There’s no doubt
about Janet’s relief

in getting away from the family.

She immediately relaxed
and became really
a quite different girl

after she’d been
with us for a bit.

We had her in there
for six weeks,

and we found... [chuckles]
...a not-unusual teenager.

[Grosse] Mrs. Hodgson
is talking about,
uh, her interview...

...with Dr. Fenwick.

- [Grosse] He asked you
how Janet was.
- Yeah.

Just tell me that again,
will you?

And I turned round,
and I said, uh,

Janet has been a lot better

since she’s been away
from the house,
which she has,

- and she looked a lot better.
- Yeah. Mmm.

You know what she’s
talking about.

She looked very cowed
before she left.

Very cowed.
She said it’s completely gone.

Yeah. Well, I also said to him--
I-I-I must bear in mind,

and I must admit
that Janet is a moody child.

- And she’s a very
restless child.
- [John] Yeah.

[Peggy] But I’ll tell you
what I think--

and I’m gonna be
quite honest about it--

she’s my daughter,
and I miss her very much,

but I don’t think she should
come back here.

[Janet] With me, like,
I was the black sheep, you know?

She didn’t really want me
’cause I was trouble.

[sniffles]
I was part of the problem
while it was happening.

When I came out the Maudsley,
I was picked up by
the social worker.

And he was taking me
around children’s homes,

trying to find another
children’s home for me.

He couldn’t find one.
They were all full.

[Grosse] Okay...

[Janet] And in the end,
he took me back to Mum.

And Mum’s face, ah,

I could tell she didn’t
really want me home.

I think she was fearful
that it would all
really start up badly again

because I was back there.

[announcer on TV] This is the...

[TV show host] In this program,
we’re going to explore an area

where our common sense notions
aren’t going to be much help
to us at all.

How does the uncertainty
principle square up

with the everyday world?
[continues indistinctly]

[Janet] When I got home,
I just needed peace

and... [sighs] ...to--
just to be left alone, really.

[snoring]

- [thud]
- [grunts, sighs]

[Janet breathing deeply]

[Grosse grunts]

Clear off. Get out.
We’ve had enough.

We’ve had enough of you.
Go back where you came from.

[Grosse]
I would like, for one moment,
to contemplate the word "truth."

Where does the truth lie?

Only in the everyday
decipherings of our five senses?

Or might it rest in the depths
of an unknown dimension...

- [beeping on TV]
- ...beyond our understanding?

[Playfair] Hello, Mr. Grosse.

It’s Sunday,
October the 8th, 1978.

And I’m just going to
make a copy for you--

for your private collection--

of the tape I made
with Peter Liefhebber
and Dono Gmelig-Meyling.

I thought this most
remarkable story needed
to be got down on tape at once,

so I went round and I made
the tape which follows.

I won’t comment on it yet
until you’ve had time
to think it over.

I think you’ll find these
coincidences quite interesting.

You’ll notice that
I didn’t offer any information
concerning you personally.

[Grosse grunting]

[Richard]
Before the investigation,

my father had suffered
a huge emotional loss.

And Guy--
because he was a spiritualist,

because he believed
in those things--

couldn’t get out of his mind
a potential connection.

All right.
I’ll start the copy now.

Friday, October the 6th, 1978.

Belgravia Hotel,
to see Peter Liefhebber.

- Right. Here we are
in the hotel, Peter.
- Yes.

Um, well, I wonder,

could you tell me roughly
what you told me on the phone?

Um, what exactly happened?

Yes.

And he didn’t say that
about me, for instance?

No. No, no.

[Liefhebber]

[Playfair] Well, I didn’t--

[Liefhebber]

Mm-hmm. Yes.

Mmm.

[Playfair]

[Grant]
My sister was a character.

My sister lived life
to the full.

She was Janet Esther Grosse,
and she was 22 years old.

She was 22 years old.
N-- No age at all.

[Richard] My sister was killed
in a motorcycle accident
in Cardiff.

And it happened on my birthday.

I received a visit
from the police,
I think, 2:30 in the morning,

telling me that I should go
to Cardiff Royal Infirmary

because that’s where she was.

Janet was lying on
the hospital bed

with her head
wrapped in bandages,
and two black eyes.

She’d suffered, um,
a major trauma to her head.

And we all sat there.
And it was a tragic day.

And we eventually
switched the machine off,

and my sister passed away.

And around that awful event

were some extraordinary
things that happened.

Call them coincidence,
call them f-- fate,
call them whatever you like.

The afternoon before,
when my sister had her accident,

my mother was on the beach.

And at that time,
4:20 in the afternoon,
she felt seriously ill,

so ill that my father wanted
to call a-- an ambulance
to the beach.

A clock that had always
worked stopped at the
precise time, 4:20.

[Grant] It was the summer
of 1976 when it didn’t rain
for months,

and there was
a huge water shortage.

And underneath my sister’s
bedroom window is the roof

of the extension to the kitchen.

That roof was soaking wet.

No other roofs
anywhere around were wet.
Just that roof.

[Richard] But I think
the most extraordinary event

happened to me.

After my sister died,
on the way back, on the train,

I realized that
my sister would’ve
sent me a birthday card.

And that birthday card
would almost certainly

be on the mat at home
when I got in.

[Grant] Janet’s birthday
card to Richard,
August the 5th, 1976.

I was absolutely
amazed by what I saw.

On the front was a person
with a head wrapped in bandages,

two black eyes,
in a hospital gown.

"I was going to buy you
a bottle of toilet water
for your birthday...

but the lid fell on my head.
Happy birthday."

A strange,
strange wording for a card.

But what was even stranger was
that my sister had written

in her own hand an arrow
pointing to the word "head."

And it went down, and it said,

"And there won’t be much left
of that soon anyway. Love, Jan."

How could she have... [stammers]
...known, but without knowing?

H-- How could-- How could
something like this happen?

It’s...

It’s too unreal.

[Grant] All these phenomena,

and the fact that
they all happened
at the same time,

made us feel that there
was something going on.

[Grosse] Janet. Janet.

[Margaret] Poltergeist.

[Grant] Something that
we couldn’t explain.

[Playfair]
Are you listening, Janet?

[Grosse] P-O-L-T-E-R-G-E-I-S-T.

Poltergeist.

[Grant]
It changed him completely.

[Grosse] Lo-Losing a child...

Time helps,
but, uh, you never get over it.

Happens.

I often wonder what
would have happened
had she lived,

- how different our lives...
- Mmm.

...would have been.
Your life would have
been quite different.

You realize that, don’t you?

My life would have been
quite different

because it was
the extraordinary things

that happened when she--
[stammers]

Around about the time she died.
Extraordinary psychic thing--

what I consider to be psychic,
and so did you--

that happened, that, uh, sort of

launched me onto
this determination
to try and find out more

about what happens
when you-- you die,

and what psychic research
is all about.

[Richard] If you think
of coincidence,

then how extraordinary not only
is that set of circumstances--

But my father goes to
the Society and says,
"I’d like a case,"

and the very first case
that comes along
turns out to be arguably

the most important
case in the history
of paranormal activity.

[Grosse] Did you--
Did you die in this house?

Did you pass on?
You did pass on in this house?

Now why are you here?
Are you unhappy?

[Janet] Now,
I often wonder, you know,
strange it may seem,

it could be coincidence.

It may not have been
that his daughter’s
name was Janet.

But I think he felt that,
at the time--

like he was put in touch
with us for a reason.

[Grosse, through recorder]
You did pass on in this house?

Now why are you here?
Are you unhappy?

[child Janet grunting]

[Peggy] Christ! It’s the ghost!
It’s the ghost!

[Grosse]
Janet. Can you hear me, Janet?

- [indistinct recorder chatter]
- [screaming]

[sighs]

Because he’d lost his daughter,
you could argue that, you know,

he had a-- a motive...
[chuckles]

...a-an incentive to try
and find evidence.

But the question of coincidences
or synchronicity,

this domain of experience
is fundamental.

If you yourself have
had an experience,

that is what’s going
to make you take
this phenomena seriously.

Certainly, for me,
I’ve had experiences which--

which have, you know,
made me feel... [stammers]

...these phenomena are g--

some of these phenomena
are genuine.

The whole point
about psychical research
is it does suggest

that consciousness
can actually directly interact

with the physical world.

[Fenwick] Because I had
this interest in consciousness,

obviously things like telepathy,
psychokinesis and so on

were phenomena
which I was also interested in.

I began to see consciousness
as a much wider phenomenon,

not just generated in the brain.

I think the brain is in a field,

and I think brain fields
interact with each other.

The way that I might look
at the Enfield poltergeist
would be

that you have
a highly disturbed adolescent.

They’ve got this
wonderful machine
which is called their brain,

and it can interact
with the field of consciousness.

And if it does that,
then these things can arise.

You can, by an intention,
change things.

[Carr] The physical world
is just a sort of, you know--

it’s like
a four-dimensional slice,

in my perspective,
of this-- of this
higher-dimensional reality.

And this higher-dimensional
reality is, if you like--

that’s the world of-- of mind.

The-- The truth is,
if psychic phenomena were real,

it would be so important
that we need to be sure.

I got into psychic research
through an experience of my own,

a dramatic out-of-the-body-
turned-mystical experience

that I couldn’t
understand at all.

This was when I was
a first-year student
at Oxford in 1970.

I became so committed
to the idea that my spirit

or astral body had left
that I thought,

"Well, I don’t want to carry on
with what would’ve been
a sensible career

in psychology and physiology,"
which is what I was doing,

"I want to prove
to the world that there
are psychic phenomena."

I started doing a lot
of experiments on telepathy,

clairvoyance,
precognition and so on.

[announcer]
According to one theory,

PK powers fade with age
and should therefore

be strongest in babies.

The computer will play
a nice tune
and show a smiling face,

which Emily enjoys
looking at, um,

according to the output
of the random number generator.

[tune playing]

And what happens is,
if she’s using her
PK successfully,

it will play more often.

[Blackmore] To begin with,
I got some significant results

- that you wouldn’t
expect by chance.
- Bye.

[tune playing]

[Blackmore] But then,
over four to five years,

the experimental work that I did

led me to be... [stammers]
...ever and ever more doubtful.

And I became more
and more worried.

"Well, how am I ever going
to find these things?"

"Well, if that doesn’t work,
there’s always this.

And if this doesn’t work,
then there’s this.

There’s always
another door to open.

There’s always
another corner to turn."

That was the feeling.

Until one day,

this thought came over me:
What if none of it is true?

[Carr] The whole point
about psychical research

is that you should be skeptical.

I mean, not disbelieving,

but you should start
off always trying

to find a natural explanation.

That’s true of science
in general.

You should be skeptical
in the sense
that you’re always open.

The Enfield case is
without doubt one
of the most evidential cases

in the sense that we’ve got
all these recordings.

[Gregory] Inevitably,
any so-called "spontaneous"
case is chaotic,

and it is hard to come by
any definite conclusion.

There is, as regards Enfield,
a considerable amount
of testimony.

You see things
that you can’t explain,

you’ve got a tendency
not to believe them.

You’ve got a tendency to say,
"I didn’t really see ’em."

- [Grosse] Ah.
- But you know you did.

And there was a chest of drawers
moving towards the door.

[Nottingham]
And there was banging.

Banging on the side
of the walls,
and on the ceiling.

On the floor.

[Gregory] Some of this testimony
is quite impressive
and reassuring,

but there is no real evidence.

My view is that, unfortunately,

much of the case withers away
on closer inspection.

There was a--
an ordinary kitchen chair
moved across the room.

Small armchair, and it jumped,
was it, about four
or five inches from the settee?

and the policewoman saw it.

It, um, came off the floor, oh,
nearly a half inch,
I should say.

[Grosse] It moved approximately
three to four feet

and then came to rest.

Moved about, well,
I expect 18 inches,

something like that.
Just a short way.

[Blackmore]
Our brain’s main thing
they’re doing all the time

is recognizing patterns.

The more we understand
about the brain,

the less room there is for
belief in paranormal phenomena.

Human bodies are machines,
but somehow we want to be
more than that.

People want to believe
there’s more than this world.

[Morris] But as I entered
the front room,

something--
I think it was a LEGO brick--

came from behind me
very low down

and very fast and hit
the wall in front of me.

- I went straight toward...
- [Carr] Looking back
on it now...

- [Morris] ...and stood
with my back to it...
- [Carr] ...my own impression

is that, you know,
there’s so many accounts,

so many witnesses.

One can’t just dismiss all those
and say it was all fraud
or imagination.

What’s so f-frustrating is
we still don’t know.

Not just in the Enfield case,

it applies to almost everything
in psychical research.

But that’s precisely
what makes psych--

[stammers] ...the subject
so tantalizing.

How would you distinguish
between what is nonsense
and what is--

what is true? [breathes deeply]

[Grosse]
It has been said many times

by skeptics and critics
of psychic research

that my interest
in the subject was
motivated by grief.

And that this grief
distorted my sense of reality.

Their conclusions
are entirely mistaken.

The Enfield case proved
to my satisfaction
and beyond a shadow of doubt,

that the realities
of life and death are not
what they appear to be.

[Richard, through recorder]
Bill, I want you to tell me

whether you remember
what happened to you
when you died.

Just before you died
and just after you died.

[Richard]
Bill, who was the voice--
this is the ghost--

he described how he died.

[Bill] Days before I died...

I went blind.

I had an hemorrhage,
and I fell asleep...

and I died in a chair.

In a corner downstairs.

[Richard] Some years later,
my father received
a telephone call.

And it was from a man
who said he knew the voice.

- [Grosse] Ah, hello.
- Hello, Maurice.
Nice to meet you again.

- [Grosse] Nice seeing you again.
- Come in.

[Richard]
This chap identified himself

as the son
of William Wilkins-- Bill.

[Richard, through recorder]
Bill, I want you to tell me

whether you remember
what happened to you
when you died.

Just before you died
and just after you died.

[Bill] Days before I died,
I went blind.

Then I had an hemorrhage,
and I fell asleep,

and I died in a chair
in a corner downstairs.

- Is-- That’s-- That’s right?
- That’s exactly true.

- That is exactly true, yes.
- Mmm. [stammers]
Exactly as he did.

And we’re--
Of course, at that time,

we certainly didn’t know
how he died.

- The only thing we knew
at that time...
- Mm-hmm.

- ...was that your father
had gone blind.
- Yeah.

- We didn’t know anything else.
- [stammers] No, no.

- Bu-But it describes
exactly how he died.
- That’s exactly what happened.

He died in the chair,
down in the living room.

Uh, my mum popped out
to the shop for ten minutes.

Mmm.
When she came back,
he was dead.

[Grosse] Incredible.

- [Bill’s son] That’s exact--
- [Grosse] And here we are...

- ...another confirmation.
- Mm-hmm.

Mmm. Very interesting.

Se-See, the sort of things
like knocking on the wall.

The three knocks,
always three knocks on the wall.

It was just a strange knock
on the wall.

[air-raid siren wailing]

[Bill’s son] During the war
they-they were
air raid wardens together.

And, uh,
if ever the sirens went off,

one would knock
to the other one.

And then they’d meet
out the back,

"Are you ready, Fred?" "Yeah."

"Okay, see you outside
in a moment."

And then they’d go off.
That’s how they used
to communicate.

Rather than go knocking
on the door,

there’d be three taps
on the wall every time.
[chuckles]

Amazing. Hmm.

[Richard] "Spoon bent
at breakfast by Janet."

These are things.
These are just objects.

And without context,
they don’t mean anything.

Except it represents,
you know, this--

such an important part
of my father’s life,

and the time and effort
that went into it.

For me,
the whole experience tells me

that there are things above
and beyond our senses.

When someone
tells me their story--

and so many people have stories

of things that have happened
to them-- I don’t dismiss
them anymore. I listen.

- [Grosse] Rolling?
- [passenger] Yeah.
Do I need a seat belt?

- [Grosse] It doesn’t
need a seat belt.
- [passenger] No? Oh.

[Richard]
The last 29 years of his life,

he was
a paranormal investigator,

which I know he enjoyed
probably more than
any other time in his life.

We went to "intraview"
Britain’s leading
expert on ghosts. Check it.

I is here with Britain’s
number one parapsychologist,
Maurice Grosse.

And we is here,
actually in a haunted house,
and I is well scared.

- I’s bricking it.
- [audience laughing]

How long has this house
been haunted?

This house?
Aye.

This-- Uh, no. You--

We got it all wrong.
This is not a haunted house.

- This--
- This is my house... [chuckles]

You investigate things.

Now, one of the--
the most difficult things

that you ever did was
the Enfield poltergeist.

What things did you see?

- Well, things flying about.
We had--
- What things?

Uh, big furniture,
small furniture.

In fact, the settee
turned upside down

and flew across the room right
in front of me as I walked
into the room.

- Had you been drinking?
- No.

- [audience laughs]
- [audience member] Too funny.

- [Grosse] Ah, hello, Uri.
- Oh, hello, Maurice.

- How are you? Nice to see you.
- Hi, how are you?

- Lovely to see you.
- You’re filming, huh?

- [Grosse] Yes.
- Come on in.

- [Uri] Ready?
- [Grosse] Yes.

- [Uri] Ta-da-da-da.
- Oh, my God. [chuckles]

[Grosse] Oh, goodness me.

[Uri] 5,000 bent spoons
and forks on it.

Many of them were bent
with my abilities, my powers.

[Grosse] Oh, heavens.

[Uri] See, it brought
a smile on your face.

[Grosse chuckles]
I’ll say. I’ll say.

Whatever we know about life,
about the world,

um, we still haven’t cracked it.

[Grosse] Here we go.

[Grant] There’s still things
that we-- we probably won’t
ever find out.

Dad tried to find out.

He was a lovely--
He was a lovely dad.
He was a lovely dad.

[Janet] And though
the case was over,
he used to come once a month.

This evening should be
very interesting indeed.

I’m going to see Margaret
and her mother,

of the Enfield poltergeist case,
now nearly 18 years ago.

He’d have, um,
boxes of Maltesers for us each.

Well, here I am at this, uh,
famous house, uh, in Enfield.

And, uh, here you see

Margaret and her mother.

[Janet] He’d talk to my mum.
She would make him a cup of tea,

and he would ask how she’s been
and how we all are.

[Grosse] You remember
the day I first came?

- Yes, I remember, Mr. Grosse.
- Yeah, we do remember
that, Mr. Grosse.

- And you was on the case
ever since then.
- Yeah.

[Janet]
You know, it wasn’t like,

"Now the poltergeist
is finished,

I’m just not gonna come."

He made the effort,

and he continued to be
like a family friend as well.

[Margaret]
I used to go back regularly
just to look at that house.

About two years ago,
we went in the car,
and my husband drove us.

We got the feeling no one
was really in there.

We just had a look,
and then all this flashing
started in the living room.

All the lights started going
on and off,
flashing on and off.

I felt like maybe
something had recognized me.

I don’t wanna go back there now.

I don’t wanna go back there.

[Janet] I was glad to
get out of there.
I left home as soon as I could.

[Peggy] Where is she?

- [overlapping tape
recorder chatter]
- [Peggy speaks indistinctly]

[Janet]
It’s something that
n-not many people experience.

- [Grosse speaks indistinctly]
- [Janet]
And I’ve had to get strong

from a pretty early age
and build on that.

[Grosse]
Try-Try and explain to me...

[child Janet, distorted]
I was in bed, right...

[Janet] It used to upset me
when they used to say,
"Oh, she’s faking it."

[child Janet]
Like this. Like this.

[Janet]
I know what I experienced,
and I know that it was real.

- [Grosse speaks indistinctly]
- [child Janet] Yeah.

[Janet] It had such
a devastating effect on me.

I’ve never really
said this to anyone,

but you never really
feel completely yourself.

What is "myself," you know?

It’s something you never forget.

Something that
you’ll just think of,

and it’ll just come
flowing back, you know?

You never feel
like you’re free of it.

I don’t like to say this,
you know, but I feel it
even now.

It’s never left me.

["I Love the Sound
of Breaking Glass" playing]